| 00:00.24 | Andomic | dcordes, it's an ftp client for Android |
| 00:00.24 | Zer0reZ | agreed. |
| 00:00.39 | Zer0reZ | i wonder if it was an agreement they had with tmobile |
| 00:00.52 | dcordes | what's wrong with /usr/bin/ftp - you have a keyboard on the g1 :( |
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| 00:01.28 | [nine] | dcordes: the non-hacked builds don't have an ftp client. |
| 00:02.31 | brocktice | The number of people who've left market comments saying, "What does this FTP program do?" is astounding. |
| 00:02.42 | infernix | yeah, its ok |
| 00:02.44 | brocktice | They should have their internet licenses revoked. |
| 00:02.45 | michaelnovakjr__ | tmobile was sucking up all the G1 production... |
| 00:02.47 | infernix | no upload though, that sucks |
| 00:02.49 | Zer0reZ | wait |
| 00:02.52 | Zer0reZ | what's ftp?! |
| 00:02.53 | Zer0reZ | ;) |
| 00:03.15 | infernix | but more importantly i need a browser that actually lets me download anything instead of complaining about unknown filetypes |
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| 00:03.23 | offby1 | tried opera? |
| 00:03.28 | [nine] | brocktice: the marketplace comments make me cry. |
| 00:03.32 | offby1 | and there's a new browser available on the market |
| 00:03.47 | brocktice | [nine], I think that's the general consensus among everyone over the age of 12. |
| 00:03.59 | [nine] | brocktice: not least because google haven't put a swearing filter (i'm not opposed to swearing, but idiot children shouldn't be abusive if they want to seem objective). |
| 00:04.04 | pfft | nine: brocktice: is there a way to see the marketplace comments on the web (without a phone)? |
| 00:04.14 | brocktice | pfft, You don't want to. |
| 00:04.15 | offby1 | [nine]: no different from the rest of the Internet, really |
| 00:04.21 | brocktice | Like YouTube comments. |
| 00:04.23 | [nine] | pfft: doubt it. try the emulator. see if it has the marketplace app. |
| 00:04.32 | brocktice | Only they're insulting people's work. |
| 00:04.38 | brocktice | Because they don't understand it. |
| 00:04.46 | ismarc | it's a common thing with people, anonyminity makes them revert to the 5 year old idiots they really are deep down inside |
| 00:04.59 | [nine] | the g1 should have come with a minimum age clause. |
| 00:05.09 | [nine] | and a minimum vocabulary clause. |
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| 00:05.13 | offby1 | the $399 price wasn't enough? |
| 00:05.20 | brocktice | $189 with contract. |
| 00:05.28 | brocktice | And if you can get mommy or daddy to pay for it... |
| 00:05.35 | dcordes | infernix, try fennec |
| 00:05.39 | Zer0reZ | brocktice: just what i was going to say |
| 00:05.40 | ismarc | they should have a generic spell and grammar check for the marketplace comments...and if it fails, you have to rewrite it |
| 00:05.58 | ismarc | I saw a comment today that had no vowels...it made my head hurt trying to figure out what it said |
| 00:06.04 | brocktice | http://www.defectiveyeti.com/iacaptchas/ |
| 00:06.20 | brocktice | Can they build that into the next Android build? |
| 00:06.38 | RyeBrye | Marketplace comments are teh S|_|C|< |
| 00:06.40 | Andomic | crap i can't see the files in my ftp folder on droidftp,why could that be? |
| 00:07.20 | ismarc | RyeBrye: They'd be more entertaining if they used circa 1994 leet speak...but they don't even do that |
| 00:07.36 | Zer0reZ | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19/ |
| 00:07.47 | Zer0reZ | why the marketplace is the way it is |
| 00:07.50 | brocktice | ah yes |
| 00:08.27 | [nine] | haha |
| 00:08.40 | [nine] | smooth. |
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| 00:10.16 | Andomic | anyone having issues w/ the file listing w/ the DroidFtp app? |
| 00:10.19 | pfft | i dont see any of the market code in the git repo ... |
| 00:10.31 | brocktice | pfft, I'm not brave enough to use FTP anymore... |
| 00:10.43 | dcordes | I will buy 5 developer g1 if they come with the g1 ril code |
| 00:10.54 | brocktice | ril? |
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| 00:11.55 | pfft | i keep seeing reference here to "ril code" ... what is that again? |
| 00:12.10 | pfft | i think i knew at one point |
| 00:12.17 | pfft | now i've forgotten |
| 00:12.22 | [nine] | coo, DroidFtp actually works nicely. |
| 00:12.24 | Zer0reZ | i've never known |
| 00:12.26 | [nine] | shame it's not sftp. |
| 00:12.32 | brocktice | [nine], exactly |
| 00:12.56 | dcordes | radio interface layer |
| 00:13.02 | brocktice | Ah |
| 00:13.09 | DarkriftX | is $20 for a 4g minisdhc about as good as i can expect to find? |
| 00:13.16 | dcordes | the software that handles the communication between your android apps and the a9 |
| 00:13.27 | brocktice | DarkriftX, I paid only a little more for 8g |
| 00:13.29 | [nine] | DarkriftX: try dealextreme. the card you end up with may be a fake, but it's cheap. |
| 00:13.33 | dcordes | the actual piece of software that makes it operate as a phone |
| 00:13.41 | dcordes | is a blob :( |
| 00:13.42 | [nine] | DarkriftX: i bought a fake sandisk 8GB for $8. |
| 00:13.46 | DarkriftX | heh |
| 00:14.10 | DarkriftX | wow, mibbit servers just died lol |
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| 00:14.40 | brocktice | Or there was a connection issue. |
| 00:15.21 | Andomic | bought a 16GB for $60 |
| 00:15.33 | pfft | dcordes: and what is "the a9"? |
| 00:15.43 | dcordes | look at the qualcomm brochures |
| 00:15.47 | dcordes | for msm7200 |
| 00:16.07 | dcordes | they have this nice diagram |
| 00:16.43 | brocktice | So I wonder how long it'll be before someone has Wifi access point mode working on a dev phone. |
| 00:16.46 | dcordes | http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007FEB/DTCOL_2007FEB15_AVDE_RFR_AN_01.pdf?SOURCES=DOWNLOAD |
| 00:17.02 | Zer0reZ | dcordes: thank you |
| 00:17.05 | Zer0reZ | was just googling for it :) |
| 00:17.18 | brocktice | Embedded Qcamcorder eh? |
| 00:17.20 | dcordes | ti1251 can do master mode? |
| 00:17.30 | dcordes | brocktice, |
| 00:17.37 | brocktice | Device can't do it? |
| 00:18.50 | brocktice | wow |
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| 00:19.41 | dcordes | brocktice, Device? |
| 00:20.13 | brocktice | dcordes, You said til 1251 can do master mode. I assumed 1251 was some number of the wifi chipset. |
| 00:20.14 | dcordes | brocktice, let me rephrase: can the ti1251 wifi driver create master mode interfaces? |
| 00:20.29 | dcordes | it's the g1 wifi driver |
| 00:20.29 | brocktice | Ah, that I don't know. |
| 00:21.04 | brocktice | til1251... there are only 3 hits for that on google. |
| 00:21.05 | pfft | dcordes: do you have a link to the brochure? |
| 00:21.27 | Zer0reZ | pfft: he just posted it |
| 00:21.28 | luok | SAMOEK |
| 00:21.45 | ionstorm | can the g1 do monitor mode? |
| 00:22.26 | dcordes | it's for the msm7200, not msm7201a. but it's the same scheme |
| 00:23.27 | Disconnect | Its official. Root now means you can flash the engineering bootloader. |
| 00:23.33 | Disconnect | Save yourself $400. :) |
| 00:23.54 | Zer0reZ | ? |
| 00:24.27 | brocktice | Disconnect, damn, wish I hadn't given up root on my G1. |
| 00:24.30 | Disconnect | difference between dev unit and retail unit is engineering bootloader. (and the backplate). we can now flash the engineering bootloader to any retail g1. |
| 00:24.43 | Disconnect | (any g1 with root) |
| 00:24.57 | DarkriftX | http://www.ecrater.com/product.php?pid=2844191 |
| 00:24.58 | Zer0reZ | how much is a non contract G1 though |
| 00:25.01 | brocktice | Worked out okay because my wife wanted a G1 anyway. |
| 00:25.05 | DarkriftX | 8g for $19 |
| 00:25.11 | brocktice | Damn |
| 00:25.20 | DarkriftX | seems decent, although shipping is a little high for what id expect |
| 00:25.38 | brocktice | The word "crater" makes me nervous. |
| 00:26.22 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 00:26.53 | ionstorm | whats the biggest micro sd right now |
| 00:27.02 | ionstorm | i cant find a 32 gig |
| 00:27.09 | brocktice | I think 16 |
| 00:27.14 | brocktice | Although I heard 32 is in the pipeline |
| 00:27.57 | ionstorm | 16gig for 54 http://www.google.com/products?q=micro+SDHC+16g&btnG=Search+Products&show=dd&scoring=p |
| 00:28.56 | ionstorm | 56 + free shipping |
| 00:29.00 | ionstorm | neat |
| 00:29.47 | dcordes | that's where the fun starts 16gb rootfs with a proper bootloader |
| 00:30.32 | Andomic | I see there is a Skype app for droid, anyone tried it? |
| 00:30.38 | vol | I haven't tried it |
| 00:30.46 | vol | outside of intl calls, what's the point? :P |
| 00:30.58 | brocktice | I don't think it's VoIP. |
| 00:31.07 | brocktice | You can get the same thing with SkypeToGo |
| 00:31.43 | dcordes | ... enough room for 10 java ftp clients |
| 00:33.40 | Disconnect | schweet. fastboot and skateboards. |
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| 00:33.56 | Disconnect | tmob retail gave a hacker a replacement unit w/ dev bootloader. doh. |
| 00:33.57 | brocktice | Eh? |
| 00:34.09 | Disconnect | and now we've all got it |
| 00:34.16 | brocktice | headdesks |
| 00:34.40 | Disconnect | but its time to make dinner |
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| 00:34.43 | brocktice | Egads, how did that happen? |
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| 00:40.08 | unix_infidel | same way someone got a dev build of snow leopard on an internal MB Air prototype. |
| 00:40.54 | brocktice | unix_infidel, Someone oopsed. I guess HTC in this case. |
| 00:41.48 | offby1 | what does that mean in practice? |
| 00:42.00 | offby1 | What will the hacker be able to do that he couldn't with a normal unit? |
| 00:43.26 | infernix | dcordes: on android? |
| 00:44.19 | ahaberlach | offby1 : I assume it means that they'll be able to install any build they want, as opposed to just the ones signed for T-Mobile. |
| 00:44.49 | offby1 | *shrug* |
| 00:44.50 | ahaberlach | I suspect that it is similar to http://gizmodo.com/5103402/sim+-and-hardware+unlocked-g1-available-to-developers-or-you-for-400 |
| 00:45.09 | offby1 | I was thinking someone would say "Now he can control us all!" |
| 00:45.16 | offby1 | the truth is less exciting. |
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| 00:45.25 | ahaberlach | "One bootloader to bind them." |
| 00:47.39 | unix_infidel | is is possible to bind the Gmail app to another account or multiple accounts? |
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| 00:48.28 | offby1 | people keep asking that. |
| 00:48.38 | unix_infidel | ...and? I'm guessing no. |
| 00:48.39 | offby1 | my hunch is "no", but it's just a hunch. |
| 00:48.53 | brocktice | We now have slightly better support for Gmail in K-9. |
| 00:49.00 | offby1 | I think the phone asked me for my google account info once, when I first turned it on; and I haven't seen any UI for changing that |
| 00:49.20 | unix_infidel | offby1: of course there is, it's called a factory reset. |
| 00:49.28 | brocktice | The default IMAP server does not play well with non-gmail clients. We changed the default to imap.googlemail.com |
| 00:49.42 | offby1 | unix_infidel: yeah yeah :) |
| 00:49.58 | Andomic | who here using the grandcentral number? |
| 00:50.17 | brocktice | I'm using GC. |
| 00:50.18 | offby1 | brocktice: what's the elevator pitch for K-9? I mean, in one sentence, what does it offer? |
| 00:50.40 | unix_infidel | i think everyone is dying for a proper mail app. |
| 00:50.42 | unix_infidel | big niche. |
| 00:50.43 | brocktice | offby1, Bugfixes, unknown SSL certs, and now exchange. |
| 00:50.50 | offby1 | exchange?!?!?! |
| 00:50.51 | brocktice | We just posted version 0.19. |
| 00:50.52 | offby1 | I'm on it!! |
| 00:51.12 | brocktice | Brand new, so be kind. I also can't claim any credit for that, it was some of the other guys on the exchange stuff. |
| 00:51.15 | offby1 | I don't recall seeing the word "exchange" in the Market blurb. |
| 00:51.22 | offby1 | you should make that prominent if it isn't already |
| 00:51.33 | brocktice | [18:29] obracongratulations, exchange support is on trunk |
| 00:51.33 | brocktice | [18:30] brockticeWhee! |
| 00:51.33 | brocktice | [18:32] obrahttp://code.google.com/p/k9mail/downloads/detail?name=K9-0.19.apk&can=2&q=#makechanges |
| 00:51.36 | brocktice | [18:39] ismarcprepare for wall of bug reports |
| 00:51.37 | offby1 | brocktice: y'all using some official MS SDK, or are you reverse-engineering? |
| 00:51.40 | brocktice | It's 18:51 here for reference. |
| 00:51.45 | offby1 | :) |
| 00:51.49 | brocktice | offby1, Don't know, ask in #k-9 |
| 00:52.00 | Andomic | how are u liking GC brock? |
| 00:52.04 | brocktice | Oh, and email signatures. |
| 00:52.11 | unix_infidel | screenshots? |
| 00:52.14 | brocktice | Andomic, Great, wish they'd update it already. |
| 00:52.24 | offby1 | what determines the category ("Lifestyle", "Entertainment") that an app is filed under? Does the developer get to pick? |
| 00:52.28 | brocktice | unix_infidel, Of exchange support? |
| 00:52.38 | unix_infidel | brocktice: sure. |
| 00:52.39 | Andomic | so are u starting to give ppl ur GC number instead of ur cell number? |
| 00:52.45 | unix_infidel | or the application...whatever. |
| 00:52.48 | brocktice | I haven't actually installed that APK just yet. |
| 00:53.04 | brocktice | unix_infidel, It's a fork of the stock Email client. Most of the changes aren't visual. |
| 00:53.19 | offby1 | I think I'm getting an older version -- no mention of Exchange. |
| 00:53.21 | brocktice | Although Jesse did change some font sizes, which has had a very polarized reception among users. |
| 00:53.33 | brocktice | offby1, Let me take a look. |
| 00:54.02 | unix_infidel | brocktice: ahh, bummer. |
| 00:54.02 | offby1 | pity Android doesn't have something like OpenID support -- I HATE typing my password into all these random apps |
| 00:54.29 | ahaberlach | Any reason K-9 is a fork instead of contributing back to the core email app? |
| 00:55.00 | brocktice | ahaberlach, Long story. Short version is, we're trying. |
| 00:55.06 | ahaberlach | Cool |
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| 00:55.33 | ahaberlach | I know that IMAP is a pain in the ass to make work on every server. Good that there's other people interested in helping. :) |
| 00:55.52 | brocktice | OH yeah, I made some fixes to IMAP prefix support. |
| 00:56.05 | brocktice | I think we've worked most of the subsequent problems out now. |
| 00:56.44 | brocktice | offby1, When you go to add an account you can pick WebDav(Exchange) account on the second screen. |
| 00:56.58 | ismarc | offby1: the Exchange support uses WebDAV and form based authentication, so outlook web access has to be enabled |
| 00:57.05 | brocktice | Hi ismarc |
| 00:57.22 | brocktice | I'm glad you're here because I don't really know much about the exchange support. |
| 00:57.28 | offby1 | I'll try it. What the heck, it's just my work account :-| |
| 00:57.45 | ismarc | offby1: that's why it was done that way...it's what my work account had available |
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| 00:58.17 | offby1 | it's only offering me a choice between POP3 and IMAP. Is that because I've got a too-old version? |
| 00:58.28 | brocktice | Yeah you need the APK from the link above. |
| 00:58.32 | offby1 | ah, ok |
| 00:58.42 | ahaberlach | Wow -- a whole new transport? That's cool. I thought it was just IMAP fixes. |
| 00:58.42 | brocktice | I don't think Jesse's got it in the market yet. |
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| 01:00.29 | offby1 | *whine* "Computing Application Sizes" sure takes a long time *whine* |
| 01:00.39 | brocktice | Indeed. |
| 01:03.34 | Disconnect | ttuttle: you are significantly less special now. just fyi. |
| 01:08.33 | TiberiumX | Yay, DroidFTP does SFTP now. |
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| 01:14.22 | Disconnect | engineering bootloader. its not just for breakfast anymore. http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/7 |
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| 01:18.57 | TiberiumX | Damnit; why did I let it upgrade to RC30? |
| 01:19.49 | rev_ott | heh I let mine update so I wouldn't have to send for another |
| 01:19.56 | rev_ott | I just got a replacement two days ago |
| 01:19.58 | rev_ott | with 29 |
| 01:20.19 | rev_ott | and I just knew I couldn't brick another and look myself in the mirror |
| 01:22.10 | Damm | so has anyyone ordered a the G1 from the Android Market? (sim unlocked, hardware unlocked) |
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| 01:23.18 | vol | So, just what can you do with the engineering bootloader anyway |
| 01:23.41 | rev_ott | get r00t har |
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| 01:23.55 | TiberiumX | I don't think I can justify $400 to for exactly the same thing I just paid $200 for not too long ago. Google should offer me an update to fix the bootloader on my current device. |
| 01:24.44 | vol | I thought you needed root to do this... |
| 01:25.09 | DannyB | we can't |
| 01:25.12 | DannyB | but don't let that stop you |
| 01:25.13 | DannyB | :) |
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| 01:25.36 | DannyB | you are free to flash the engy bootloader onto a non-engy phone if you like though |
| 01:25.36 | DannyB | :) |
| 01:25.40 | DannyB | that's what i do |
| 01:32.01 | brocktice | TiberiumX, Tell me about letting it update. |
| 01:32.14 | brocktice | I actually reverted to stock RC29 to let it do the OTA. |
| 01:32.19 | brocktice | Got cold feet. |
| 01:32.38 | jasta | ITechJunkie: you don't really. you can only set up 1 sync source (a limitation i impose to prevent folks from thinking its piracy software) |
| 01:32.46 | jasta | you could edit or remove the source youve set up though. |
| 01:33.12 | brocktice | Awesome re: SFTP on DroidFTP. |
| 01:33.23 | gambler | damn I just bought 2 G1s for something like $500 a pop. They will be hand delivered to me in 3 days |
| 01:33.42 | gambler | A bootloader update would be nice |
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| 01:39.17 | P1ro | hey whats the price for the G1 for developers ? |
| 01:39.24 | jammr | $399 + $25 |
| 01:39.38 | P1ro | its avaliable right now ? |
| 01:39.48 | jammr | AFAIK |
| 01:40.09 | P1ro | and whats the difference with it and the retail one ? |
| 01:40.34 | P1ro | i mean the t-mobile one? and its unlocked right? |
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| 01:42.33 | Lenolium | P1ro: AFAIK, it is unlocked (SIM and bootloader), so you can stick any SIM into it, and have it boot any kernel you want. |
| 01:43.06 | P1ro | nice |
| 01:43.19 | P1ro | great |
| 01:44.47 | P1ro | well i was thinking that the tm-g1 was with bootloader unlocked too :s |
| 01:44.51 | P1ro | nice |
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| 01:45.53 | P1ro | well |
| 01:46.05 | unix_infidel | brocktice: cold feet? |
| 01:46.47 | brocktice | unix_infidel, I was afraid somewhere along the line i'd screw up and brick it. |
| 01:46.57 | rev_otto | questoin what is the status of widget development |
| 01:47.01 | rev_otto | question |
| 01:47.13 | rev_otto | I haven't heard much talk about it |
| 01:47.22 | unix_infidel | brocktice: ditto. |
| 01:47.24 | steventroughtons | damn unsupported shipping country for the Android Dev Phone 1! :D |
| 01:47.52 | rev_otto | I should purchase some in the states and ship them as engineering samples |
| 01:48.08 | steventroughtons | Ireland should so be supported :P |
| 01:48.12 | rev_otto | help people avoid vat |
| 01:48.16 | steventroughtons | But i've managed to have someone order one for me |
| 01:48.19 | steventroughtons | so I'm happy |
| 01:48.24 | brocktice | steventroughtons, Too hard to ship things to islands you know. |
| 01:48.25 | rev_otto | they qualify as engineering samples |
| 01:48.30 | rev_otto | they aren't commercial goods |
| 01:48.32 | steventroughtons | brocktice: UK is supported ;) |
| 01:48.39 | brocktice | Well, it's a bigger island. |
| 01:48.42 | steventroughtons | hehe |
| 01:49.19 | P1ro | best 16G for the G1 ? |
| 01:50.09 | unix_infidel | expects some decent 8 or 16GB microSD deals in coming weeks. |
| 01:50.29 | steventroughtons | It's like they listed every country in europe, just forgot us |
| 01:50.30 | steventroughtons | grr |
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| 01:54.37 | snadge | is at Starbucks at LAX, on my g1 :P |
| 01:54.51 | rev_otto | using hotspot connect? |
| 01:55.37 | snadge | its a tmobile hotspot, $5.99 for 24 hours |
| 01:55.53 | pfft | Uploaded:Â Today (83 minutes ago) |
| 01:56.25 | DarkriftX | oooooh, i wish the market could send an email/sms when new stuff is added to specific categories |
| 01:56.27 | DarkriftX | that would be nice |
| 01:57.00 | offby1 | grumbles |
| 01:57.15 | offby1 | I'm already paying T-mobile many $$/month for Android ... I wish their hotspots were free |
| 01:57.31 | offby1 | or at least they could send me a gift card every year, good for an hour or two |
| 01:57.34 | unix_infidel | offby1: they are. for tmobile customers. |
| 01:57.41 | offby1 | really? |
| 01:57.49 | unix_infidel | or you could tether your G1 to your laptop. |
| 01:57.53 | offby1 | pfft |
| 01:58.44 | offby1 | unix_infidel: I'll check again. Coulda swore, though, last month in an airport I pointed the phone's browser at the t-mobile signup page, and it was talkin' 'bout $5/day or something |
| 01:58.54 | snadge | im going to be tmobile free when i get back to oz in about 16 hours or so :) |
| 02:00.03 | snadge | with an unlocked g1, yay |
| 02:00.13 | offby1 | unix_infidel: from their site: T-Mobile voice plan customers - get exclusive Wi-Fi pricing. Save 50% on T-Mobile HotSpot!* |
| 02:00.23 | offby1 | "Save 50%" strongly suggests "not free" :-| |
| 02:00.31 | offby1 | maybe it's cheap enough to be worthwhile, though; let's see. |
| 02:00.48 | offby1 | ugh, $10/month |
| 02:00.50 | pfft | snadge: oz = australia ? |
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| 02:00.51 | offby1 | Not Worth It |
| 02:01.08 | brocktice | pfft, what was uploaded? |
| 02:01.20 | snadge | well, im going to be at LAX for another few hours, so itss worth it for me |
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| 02:01.36 | pfft | brocktice: I accidentally posted the time since the last k9 upload |
| 02:01.40 | brocktice | oh |
| 02:02.33 | snadge | pfft: yes |
| 02:02.52 | pfft | snadge: why are you leaving so soon? where r u at? |
| 02:03.47 | rev_otto | offby, what plan do you have, mine lets me connect to hotspts |
| 02:03.48 | snadge | end of round the world holiday, wanted to check in early to avoid stressing out |
| 02:03.49 | rev_otto | hotspots |
| 02:03.53 | pfft | snadge: oh LAX ... sorry missed that |
| 02:04.06 | pfft | snadge: congrats on the new unlocked phone |
| 02:04.50 | orospakr | http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html <-- holy crap! |
| 02:04.58 | swetland | no way! |
| 02:05.02 | snadge | i like it. just wanted something that could ssh, and it does that nicely |
| 02:05.07 | sparkle | yes way! |
| 02:05.17 | JesusFreke | lol swetland |
| 02:05.21 | orospakr | I was just googling info on the Agora when I stumbled into it. Awesome! |
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| 02:05.42 | pfft | Do the market and openmarket.com have anything in common? |
| 02:05.48 | swetland | jf: sorry. slow day. ^^ |
| 02:06.07 | orospakr | Can anyone confirm the shipping price for Canada? |
| 02:06.11 | JesusFreke | pfft: hmm. they both have market in their name.. they have that much in common :D |
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| 02:08.10 | snadge | is there a guide somewhere for flashing these g1s, cos i got as far as starting a telnetd and getting a root shell, but couldn't figure out what recovery mode was |
| 02:08.26 | sparkle | sure |
| 02:08.39 | sparkle | check on the xda dream development board |
| 02:08.52 | sparkle | there are some marked threads |
| 02:09.13 | snadge | i think im still on rc28, but it doesn't bug me to upgrade anymore |
| 02:09.41 | sparkle | just upgrade to a patched rc30 |
| 02:09.47 | sparkle | and you'll be fine |
| 02:09.54 | sparkle | know much about linux? |
| 02:10.25 | snadge | that was what i was attempting to do, using to different sources, and it confused me more |
| 02:10.38 | snadge | s/to/two |
| 02:11.03 | offby1 | hmm, my trackball doesn't work unless I push down on it a little while I roll it :-| |
| 02:11.21 | sparkle | you need to flash the updated recovery image first |
| 02:11.38 | snadge | i did that part |
| 02:11.44 | P1r0 | i can buy more that one g1 for devs on the android market ? |
| 02:11.53 | Leeds | P1r0: I believe not |
| 02:12.20 | P1r0 | or register two accs with the same google checkout |
| 02:12.22 | sparkle | then just get an rc30 patched update |
| 02:12.32 | sparkle | put it on the sdcard as update.zip |
| 02:12.38 | jbq | At this point it's one per developer. Please be nice and don't abuse it. |
| 02:12.38 | sparkle | and follow the directions |
| 02:13.52 | rev_otto | and eat a well balanced breakfast |
| 02:14.05 | snadge | so if i put the update.zip on the sd, it will automatically load that? |
| 02:14.14 | Leeds | I am just making toast |
| 02:14.45 | snadge | i think thats the part i havn't done |
| 02:15.03 | sparkle | you have to boot into recov mode |
| 02:15.14 | sparkle | pwr-home |
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| 02:16.59 | snadge | thats the bit i didnt know, i thought it was home+back, which seems to be reset |
| 02:18.51 | ZeZu | android sdk is all java, but sits on linux kernel ? |
| 02:19.07 | snadge | im curious as to why its not prompting me to update to rc30 anymore |
| 02:19.21 | jbq | ZeZu: actually, there's a lot of native code in user-space. |
| 02:19.56 | jbq | ZeZu: but the only currently supported set of APIs for 3rd-party development is only accessible through the Java programming language. |
| 02:20.43 | ZeZu | so one can run a native app easily? |
| 02:21.20 | jbq | It depend on what you call "easily". Nothing is done to explicitly prevent it, but nothing is done to help it either (no documentation, no samples, etc...). |
| 02:21.48 | ZeZu | ok, thanks |
| 02:21.50 | jbq | In a nutshell, you're on your own, and you have nobody to complain to but yourself if your application breaks in the future. |
| 02:21.56 | ZeZu | course |
| 02:21.59 | JesusFreke | zezu, even on official builds, you can copy binaries to /data/local and run them |
| 02:22.09 | ZeZu | I didn't know how accessible the linux subsystem is really |
| 02:22.17 | JesusFreke | you have to cross-compile the binaries, obviously |
| 02:22.33 | ZeZu | no native compiler ?? (j/k) |
| 02:23.06 | ZeZu | I'm looking at writing some emulators, and using java would be a PITA to get good performance out of |
| 02:23.07 | maqr | JesusFreke: hey, you're that guy that made the image i'm about to flash my phone with |
| 02:23.10 | maqr | JesusFreke: neat :) |
| 02:24.29 | sparkle | :) |
| 02:24.44 | sparkle | zezu, with some work, extremely accessible |
| 02:24.47 | ZeZu | how does the UI operate? Its not X is it ?? / how do 3d drivers work? have to be fb drivers ? |
| 02:25.13 | sparkle | saurik wrote a guide on getting a pretty full userland up on the sdcard |
| 02:25.32 | sparkle | and most stuff that doesn't have to hit hw directly works fine |
| 02:25.42 | ZeZu | I dont have a handset, i'd be looking at getting it running on omap3 |
| 02:25.51 | jbq | ZeZu: there's no generic answer to that... since it might change (though it's not likely). It's not X, and little of it is written with native code other than the low-level compositor. |
| 02:25.56 | sparkle | my g1 is running openafs and kerb5, put it that way :) |
| 02:26.42 | ZeZu | I'm interested in how i could handle hardware 3d graphics then, most linux drivers are DRI ... which blows |
| 02:26.52 | jbq | ZeZu: your best bet to get answers to those questions is to head over to http://git.source.android.com/ and read through the source code. |
| 02:27.01 | ZeZu | probably |
| 02:27.22 | sparkle | nods |
| 02:27.26 | ZeZu | figured someone in here might know and answer a lot quicker than reading through tons of headers or 50k lines of source |
| 02:27.38 | sparkle | it's a fundamentally different model |
| 02:28.12 | ZeZu | well thanks guys |
| 02:28.45 | orospakr | Holy crap! |
| 02:28.56 | orospakr | Shipping on the dev phone to Canada is $264.49. |
| 02:29.04 | JesusFreke | blinks |
| 02:29.08 | jbq | ZeZu: check around here for some relevant source code: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=tree;f=opengl;h=d55122a1e27338315b63f28af0b3364d93058827;hb=master |
| 02:29.16 | swetland | there is apparently some insanity with customs fees |
| 02:29.36 | jbq | orospakr: that includes all taxes, duties, fees (and shipping itself, of course). |
| 02:29.56 | orospakr | Wow. I've bought stuff from the US before, but it's never been that crazy! |
| 02:30.07 | orospakr | Including "developer" hardware from both OLPC and OpenMoko. |
| 02:31.04 | swetland | yeah, I don't understand why it's that expensive. there has (obviously) been unhappiness about that and I know it's being looked into, but I'm not sure if it's something that will be easily/quickly resolved. |
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| 02:37.01 | maqr | can i get a crc or md5 on the JesusFreke modified rc30? |
| 02:37.11 | maqr | i wanna make sure i have the right zip before i screw this up somehow :p |
| 02:38.59 | JesusFreke | sec maqr, lemme get it for you |
| 02:39.21 | JesusFreke | update_TC4-RC30_full_xda-dev_v1.2.zip - 68eec9a22747accc3d51076ad465505f |
| 02:40.10 | maqr | oh, i had 1.1, that isn't right at all |
| 02:40.17 | maqr | JesusFreke: where do i get that one? |
| 02:40.35 | maqr | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root <-- this is the page i was reading |
| 02:41.39 | JesusFreke | maqr: |
| 02:41.40 | JesusFreke | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443713 |
| 02:42.18 | maqr | JesusFreke: and i can use this from my rc28 phone? |
| 02:42.28 | maqr | it says 'update', so maybe i need rc29 first? |
| 02:44.44 | JesusFreke | yes, it will work with any version, as long as you have the modified recovery image installed |
| 02:45.05 | maqr | ok, i can do that |
| 02:45.14 | eldenz | maqr, heh, i was once reading that page as well and got the wrong one... i almost edited the wiki but then i saw the note a bit further down with a llink to the xda thread^^ |
| 02:45.33 | maqr | eldenz: maybe edit the wiki, i don't feel like i should do it :/ |
| 02:45.38 | DarkriftX | maqr: fixed wiki to link to 1.2 |
| 02:45.50 | jammr | not having root sucks :/ any progress on a fix? |
| 02:45.53 | eldenz | thanks jammr |
| 02:46.03 | eldenz | seems like public can't edit anymore now though... |
| 02:46.26 | eldenz | jammr, is it yours? |
| 02:46.47 | jammr | I don't think you mean me? |
| 02:46.50 | DarkriftX | goes back to his beer and his g1 |
| 02:47.01 | maqr | weird, my md5 for the 1.2 version says 68EEC9A22747ACCC3D51076AD465505F |
| 02:47.05 | eldenz | err, sry, meant DarkriftX |
| 02:47.17 | DarkriftX | eldenz: i disabled that |
| 02:47.26 | DarkriftX | some fuckwads were adding massive spam and deleting the whole wiki |
| 02:47.32 | eldenz | not asking because of that... but you could enable canonical urls :) |
| 02:47.34 | DarkriftX | its a quick register though |
| 02:47.40 | eldenz | url rewriting |
| 02:48.12 | DarkriftX | hates htaccess :S |
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| 02:48.27 | eldenz | why? |
| 02:48.31 | DarkriftX | because i suck at it |
| 02:48.32 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 02:48.36 | DarkriftX | always mess soemthing up |
| 02:48.50 | eldenz | i think you should find it somewhere in the doc... copy&paste job imo |
| 02:48.55 | JesusFreke | maqr, that's fine |
| 02:48.59 | eldenz | have never set up a mediawiki so i don't know it myself |
| 02:49.01 | JesusFreke | caps/no caps doesn't matter |
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| 02:50.46 | maqr | oh, i misread then |
| 02:50.46 | eldenz | DarkriftX, http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Setup_steps |
| 02:51.01 | DarkriftX | i think that onyl works if your wiki is the root |
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| 02:51.27 | morrildl | hey RyeBrye, I'm looking at your twitter |
| 02:52.01 | eldenz | DarkriftX, nope |
| 02:52.06 | DarkriftX | k |
| 02:52.31 | DarkriftX | and have root access (so you can modify httpd.conf; modifying .htaccess is not enough!) |
| 02:52.37 | DarkriftX | that wont work on shared hosting |
| 02:53.12 | maqr | is 'adb shell' not root? |
| 02:53.13 | eldenz | http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Short_URL#Other_how-to_mini-guides |
| 02:53.18 | eldenz | ^^ |
| 02:54.02 | morrildl | oh you have got to be kidding me |
| 02:54.18 | morrildl | T-Mobile gave someone a warranty replacement with the unlocked bootloader? |
| 02:54.31 | maqr | morrildl: ? |
| 02:54.32 | brocktice | morrildl, Apparently. |
| 02:54.36 | brocktice | I'd blame HTC. |
| 02:54.39 | brocktice | Or thank. |
| 02:54.46 | maqr | is still wondering what AndroidMod is, exactly |
| 02:54.54 | morrildl | Eh well |
| 02:55.11 | morrildl | Somewhat disturbing, from a QC perspective |
| 02:55.11 | brocktice | So how is this going to work with the dev phones? http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/vendor/htc/dream.git;a=blob_plain;f=README.txt |
| 02:55.29 | brocktice | morrildl, And that's how they've shipped flash drives with viruses etc... |
| 02:55.42 | brocktice | They != HTC |
| 02:55.52 | brocktice | but manufacturers in general |
| 02:56.12 | swetland | brocktice: we're working on getting flashable "official" images put together for the dev phones (mostly sorting out who hosts them and where) |
| 02:56.24 | swetland | they'll be installable over usb using the fastboot update command |
| 02:56.26 | maqr | swetland: do you think that will unlock the baseband too? |
| 02:56.39 | swetland | what do you mean by "unlock the baseband"? |
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| 02:56.56 | maqr | swetland: let me use non-tmo sim chips in the phone to make calls? |
| 02:57.01 | brocktice | swetland, So it'll be possible to get the blobs somewhere. |
| 02:57.03 | swetland | the dev phones are not network/sim locked -- they'll work on any GSM/GPRS/UMTS network compatible with the radio |
| 02:57.27 | maqr | swetland: i read that about the dev phones, but what about a tmo g1 that you re-flash with the dev image? |
| 02:57.38 | brocktice | maqr, sshhh |
| 02:57.45 | swetland | radio locking is handled on the radio side |
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| 02:58.00 | brocktice | T-mobiel will unlock them after 90 days anyway. |
| 02:58.03 | swetland | tmo will give you |
| 02:58.04 | brocktice | *T-mobile |
| 02:58.04 | swetland | exactly |
| 02:58.05 | ahaberlach | morrildl : Yeah, I was concerned about the QC aspects of that as well. |
| 02:58.16 | brocktice | Maybe sooner if they like you. |
| 02:58.25 | flaushy | *sigh* it takes forever till android comes to germany |
| 02:58.47 | pfft | flaushy: not if you get one of the unlocked phones |
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| 02:59.08 | flaushy | the dev ones? |
| 02:59.15 | pfft | flaushy: I guess |
| 02:59.32 | maqr | brocktice: i know, i was just wondering if that'd be part of the dev image |
| 02:59.50 | flaushy | i am thinking about getting an freerunner and reflashing, i think android runs on it, at least i heard it :/ |
| 02:59.52 | brocktice | maqr, Yes, I see the distinction now. |
| 03:00.05 | brocktice | flaushy, It needs an onscreen keyboard for that. |
| 03:00.10 | brocktice | To be useful anyway. |
| 03:00.31 | flaushy | we ll see :) |
| 03:01.05 | flaushy | developeing on qemu is not that great and with t-mobile it would be cheaper to get |
| 03:01.44 | pfft | flaushy: is tmobile expensive in Germany? |
| 03:02.05 | unix_infidel | tmobile is germany based. |
| 03:02.11 | ahaberlach | installs the Video Player to try to view a ripped DVD on his phone. |
| 03:02.23 | brocktice | swetland, It sounds from that text file like I should be able to get the blobs from an existing device, including a G1 right? |
| 03:02.24 | unix_infidel | videp player does avi? |
| 03:02.31 | morrildl | so y'all with the bootloader -- it has fastboot and everything? |
| 03:02.31 | brocktice | ahaberlach, Good luck, hope the file's not too big. |
| 03:02.32 | swetland | brocktice: yup |
| 03:02.33 | pfft | unix_infidel: so it could be expensive then :-) |
| 03:02.42 | flaushy | pfft: yeah |
| 03:02.51 | brocktice | swetland, Ah, installing git now to give it a try. |
| 03:02.52 | ahaberlach | brocktice : About 380mb. |
| 03:02.54 | swetland | we would have liked to just host them, but there's a bunch of legal complexities |
| 03:02.58 | flaushy | pfft: we get the feeling they suck us dry and use us to expand on other markets |
| 03:03.06 | brocktice | wow |
| 03:03.25 | pfft | flaushy: I'd think that tmo in Germany would be kinda like At&t was here in the US about 20 years ago ... only with better technology :-) |
| 03:03.30 | brocktice | I'm wondering why macports needs openssh and rsync for git. |
| 03:03.47 | ahaberlach | Holy cow. That's not bad at all. HandBrake ripped this sucker right on down and the video player is handling it fine. |
| 03:03.56 | offby1 | brocktice: well, git likes to talk over ssh |
| 03:04.05 | flaushy | pfft: cant tell how at&t was, but tmobile or german telecom is quite expensive. compared to eg Austria |
| 03:04.10 | unix_infidel | ahaberlach: didnt know android handled avi's quite yet. |
| 03:04.10 | brocktice | offby1, Haven't used it before - that makes sense. |
| 03:04.18 | brocktice | ahaberlach, How big is the file and how long is the movie? |
| 03:04.18 | unix_infidel | didnt know you could build codecs yet. |
| 03:04.35 | flaushy | pfft: tmo offeres flatrates in usa, in austria,but in germany they charge us about 20 cents permin |
| 03:04.38 | pfft | flaushy: my tmo service is about 70 USD per month ... lemme see what services I guet |
| 03:04.46 | pfft | flaushy: err ... get |
| 03:04.47 | brocktice | It just grinds to a halt when I try anything longer than a short clip. |
| 03:04.48 | d0netsFN | can you play streamed mp3's yet? |
| 03:04.51 | unix_infidel | pfft: plus taxes no? |
| 03:04.52 | d0netsFN | for jinzora? |
| 03:04.59 | maqr | just to be sure i'm understanding this right, i rename the update_TC4-RC30_full_xda-dev_v1.2.zip file to just "UPDATE" and put it in the root directory of the microsd card? |
| 03:05.01 | pfft | flaushy: Yikes! |
| 03:05.07 | DarkriftX | no |
| 03:05.09 | brocktice | maqr update.zip |
| 03:05.10 | DarkriftX | update.zip |
| 03:05.17 | DarkriftX | update is only if your computer hides the extension |
| 03:05.18 | flaushy | pfft: prices are dropping drastically tho |
| 03:05.21 | maqr | oh, that was not clear from the thread |
| 03:05.25 | pfft | flaushy: Yay! |
| 03:05.28 | flaushy | pfft: but mobile internet was long a dream |
| 03:05.39 | maqr | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443797 <-- someone should update this to say update.zip |
| 03:05.48 | DarkriftX | it is on the wiki |
| 03:05.49 | DarkriftX | copy (or adb push) update_TC4-RC30_full_xda-dev_v1.2.xxx to /sdcard/update.zip |
| 03:05.53 | pfft | flaushy: cant you get mobile internet with tmo in Germany? |
| 03:06.05 | flaushy | pfft: atm you pay about 25 EUR per month for mobile data flatrate (capped at 5 GB) |
| 03:06.22 | flaushy | pfft: the prices make you cry |
| 03:06.27 | pfft | flaushy: I thinkit costs me about 20USD per month for unlimited internet thru tmo here in the US |
| 03:06.40 | flaushy | pfft: it is either iphone, or no unlimited internet on tmo |
| 03:06.48 | pfft | flaushy: %GB is not too bad is it? |
| 03:06.50 | eldenz | i pay ~13⬠for 1GB data |
| 03:06.56 | flaushy | pfft: tarifs start at 50 euro/mo i think |
| 03:06.57 | pfft | flaushy: err. 5 GB |
| 03:07.18 | pfft | flaushy: seriously? |
| 03:07.21 | maqr | DarkriftX: is it case sensitive? it's "update.zip" all lowercase, right? |
| 03:07.32 | pfft | flaushy: what about a blackberry with tmo in Germany? |
| 03:07.42 | flaushy | pfft: tmo secured 5 year exclusive rights with iphone |
| 03:07.51 | maqr | *att |
| 03:07.52 | brocktice | maqr: don't worry too much. If it can't find it it just won't update. |
| 03:08.02 | maqr | brocktice: ok, very nervous, just bought the phone a few days ago :p |
| 03:08.03 | flaushy | pfft: i am o2 customer, tmo was always more expensive |
| 03:08.05 | pfft | flaushy: aww ... too bad for germany on that one iphone is the sUk |
| 03:08.18 | maqr | brocktice: i really want to get into development for it, so i figure having root is pretty important, but i don't want to brick it |
| 03:08.19 | brocktice | maqr, Yeah, I got so nervous I reverted to stock and let it install RC30. Stupid me. |
| 03:08.19 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 03:08.23 | pfft | flaushy: what about blackberries? |
| 03:08.24 | flaushy | pfft: we get unlocked ones from abroud, cheaper ... |
| 03:08.33 | maqr | brocktice: have you fixed that yet? |
| 03:08.34 | flaushy | pfft: not really popular |
| 03:08.40 | pfft | flaushy: why not? |
| 03:08.50 | brocktice | maqr, No way to revert yet. |
| 03:08.55 | maqr | brocktice: it looks like the only part you need root for is the "flash_image" command, right? |
| 03:08.56 | brocktice | Now I've ordered a dev phone anyway. |
| 03:08.57 | eldenz | flaushy, how much do the G1 cost in germany? |
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| 03:09.16 | brocktice | $400 for a frickin bootloader. |
| 03:09.25 | DarkriftX | wtf |
| 03:09.26 | DarkriftX | why? |
| 03:09.28 | maqr | brocktice: why not just wait until you can fix it? |
| 03:09.28 | brocktice | maqr, not sure what you mean. |
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| 03:09.42 | pfft | flaushy: so far i've found that the developer experience is the best on the G1 and the blackberries |
| 03:09.44 | brocktice | maqr, Wife wanted a G1 anyway so she gets mine as an xmas present. :) |
| 03:09.54 | unix_infidel | brocktice: as opposed to an iphone? |
| 03:09.56 | maqr | brocktice: well, i'm following the directions, and everything looks like it can be done with adb except for "flash_image recovery recovery.img" |
| 03:10.03 | pfft | flaushy: dev on the iphone is horrifffffic |
| 03:10.05 | maqr | brocktice: looks like you need root for just that one command |
| 03:10.07 | flaushy | eldenz: available in 2009 |
| 03:10.23 | brocktice | maqr, Ah, that I'm not sure about. You will need to be root to do it. Not sure if root over adb would work. |
| 03:10.26 | DarkriftX | you can turn a normal g1 into a dev g1 now :) |
| 03:10.32 | flaushy | pfft: push services are not really implemented int he networks |
| 03:10.43 | unix_infidel | DarkriftX: if you feel like risking it ;-) |
| 03:10.44 | flaushy | pfft: 300 mb on tmo is 24 euro |
| 03:10.50 | brocktice | DarkriftX, Yeah if it's not up to stock RC30. |
| 03:10.54 | flaushy | pfft: unlimited now at 40 euro |
| 03:10.55 | pfft | flaushy: no one uses push services much here |
| 03:10.58 | morrildl | hey swetland what is this about androids on skateboards anyway? my bootloader doesn't have that :) |
| 03:11.08 | DarkriftX | flashing a bootloader? thousands of htc users do it every day :S |
| 03:11.15 | DarkriftX | its new for the g1, but not for htc phones |
| 03:11.29 | pfft | flaushy: push is overrated until the apps are more mature for it |
| 03:11.36 | jammr | so soon we can have root again? :D |
| 03:11.38 | flaushy | pfft: what do you want to do with expensive data tarifs? it stops popularity of blackberry etc |
| 03:11.39 | DarkriftX | morrildl: thats supposedly whats seen on the developer bootloader |
| 03:11.42 | DarkriftX | ive seen a picture of it |
| 03:11.51 | brocktice | DarkriftX, instructions for the engineering image say it requires root. |
| 03:11.52 | flaushy | pfft: 2004 we paid like 10 cents per 10 KB |
| 03:11.54 | pfft | flaushy: oh ... i see |
| 03:12.04 | pfft | flaushy: thats nasty |
| 03:12.06 | DarkriftX | yes brocktice |
| 03:12.14 | DarkriftX | that will be available to you in a couple weeks |
| 03:12.15 | DarkriftX | :) |
| 03:12.18 | flaushy | pfft: always remember:EUR cents |
| 03:12.44 | pfft | flaushy: EUR cents??? |
| 03:12.47 | flaushy | pfft: so take it with 1.3 (atm) to 1.5 (4 months ago) |
| 03:12.55 | brocktice | DarkriftX, I did see that they got the NAND image recently. |
| 03:12.58 | flaushy | pfft: 1 Euro is 1.3 USD atm |
| 03:13.08 | pfft | flaushy: yes, i see |
| 03:13.26 | flaushy | pfft: a minute with tmo is still at 19 cents |
| 03:13.33 | pfft | flaushy: oh i see ... yes those prices are _way_ too high |
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| 03:14.00 | flaushy | pfft: Austria is at 4 cents i think, we hit 9 cents with discounters couple of months ago |
| 03:14.24 | pfft | flaushy: so maybe our dismantling of the phone companies here in the US was not such a bad idea |
| 03:14.33 | flaushy | pfft: that explains it as well, why germany is way behind in mobile stuff |
| 03:14.49 | flaushy | pfft: we have a good competition in the cell market |
| 03:15.14 | pfft | flaushy: but not with data rate charges apparently |
| 03:15.17 | flaushy | pfft: but they bought the UMTS licenses at a way to high price at auctions |
| 03:15.35 | flaushy | pfft: about 8 billion euro it was i think, per license |
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| 03:15.59 | pfft | flaushy: so ... good competition, but high prices everywhere? |
| 03:16.03 | maqr | watches this tiny yellow bar make its way across the screen |
| 03:16.17 | flaushy | pfft: wanna move it to query? |
| 03:16.19 | pfft | flaushy: who did the 8 gazzillion EUR go to? |
| 03:16.34 | maqr | JesusFreke: btw, are you the one responsible for this very scary "system recovery utility" background image? |
| 03:16.36 | flaushy | pfft: germany directly |
| 03:16.47 | maqr | JesusFreke: you know, the one that makes it look like you bricked the phone because it doesn't have a menu of things you can press? |
| 03:17.09 | flaushy | pfft: but Vodafone swallowed one big player, and got tax refunds ins Billions Euro region from germany as well -.- |
| 03:17.42 | pfft | flaushy: thats ok .. thaks for the info |
| 03:17.45 | pfft | thanks |
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| 03:18.03 | flaushy | pfft: but as i said, german telecom sucks us dry, and expands heavily on other markets. Germany is their cash cow |
| 03:19.04 | flaushy | pfft: uh another thing in germany: we pay like 20 cents per SMS |
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| 03:19.28 | chuck | What do you guys think of the Android Dev Phone 1? Worth it? |
| 03:20.43 | maqr | chuck: if it supported the att bands, it'd probably be worth it |
| 03:20.59 | brocktice | flaushy, No wonder my Bob card ran out so fast in M?nchen. |
| 03:21.08 | jammr | DarkriftX just curious, how do you know a few weeks 'til we can reflash? |
| 03:21.17 | chuck | maqr, oh fuck, it doesn't support AT&T? |
| 03:21.19 | brocktice | It's inevitable. |
| 03:21.28 | chuck | might start crying |
| 03:21.29 | DarkriftX | soem ppl are working on a method |
| 03:21.31 | chuck | ;-) |
| 03:21.33 | DarkriftX | it works, but its risky right now |
| 03:21.35 | jammr | :D |
| 03:21.36 | maqr | chuck: well, probably not the 3g one |
| 03:21.39 | maqr | chuck: err, the 3g part |
| 03:21.40 | DarkriftX | they are perfecting it and will release it |
| 03:21.45 | jammr | roooot! |
| 03:21.59 | maqr | ok, i just flashed with the JesusFreke's rc30 |
| 03:22.02 | maqr | awesome. |
| 03:22.08 | DarkriftX | they will not release it till its safe to avoid bricks being returned and tmo getting strict |
| 03:22.11 | brocktice | maqr, congrats :) |
| 03:22.17 | morrildl | maqr: AT&T's 3G spectrum is non-standard for GSM, so only GSM phones built explicitly for AT&T will work, in general |
| 03:22.23 | maqr | "su root" sweet! |
| 03:22.28 | maqr | brocktice: tyty |
| 03:22.28 | brocktice | Bricking + returning to Tmo = ruins it for everyone |
| 03:22.32 | morrildl | maqr: the device will work on AT&T's 2G (EDGE) network fine |
| 03:22.35 | maqr | JesusFreke: much love, excellent job |
| 03:22.47 | maqr | morrildl: yeah, that's what i'd expected... they didn't officially announce that yet though, did they? |
| 03:22.50 | maqr | *i'd expect |
| 03:22.53 | brocktice | JesusFreke, did you get back root eventually? |
| 03:23.00 | brocktice | I remember reading you were "out of the game" |
| 03:23.05 | brocktice | Which is actually when I gave up. |
| 03:23.06 | morrildl | maqr: who did't announce what? |
| 03:23.23 | maqr | morrildl: google didn't officially announce what the specs would be on the dev phone yet, did they? |
| 03:23.31 | flaushy | brocktice: roaming charges are again way to high |
| 03:23.50 | JesusFreke | brock: I just bought a new phone, and sold the old one. heh |
| 03:23.56 | flaushy | grr g1 is in uk only avail with monthly plan for 30 pounds |
| 03:23.58 | brocktice | JesusFreke, Ahh |
| 03:24.09 | unix_infidel | flaushy: plus data? |
| 03:24.22 | chuck | maqr, what about EDGE? |
| 03:24.22 | morrildl | maqr: well, we did, but to view the specs you have to log in to a Market account first. In general the specs are the same as the G1, it's the same base hardware |
| 03:24.28 | maqr | chuck: morrildl just said that'd work |
| 03:24.30 | flaushy | unix_infidel: no inclusive ... but i need one in germany ... |
| 03:24.30 | chuck | flaushy, 30 pounds? O_O |
| 03:24.40 | chuck | maqr, oh, I overlooked that, awesome |
| 03:24.46 | maqr | morrildl: ah, i haven't signed up for a market account yet... are there any differences? |
| 03:24.49 | chuck | morrildl, you're sure it will work with EDGE? |
| 03:24.55 | brocktice | maqr, The back cover. |
| 03:25.01 | maqr | chuck: his reasoning makes sense, it should work |
| 03:25.03 | maqr | brocktice: besides that :P |
| 03:25.10 | brocktice | Also, is it a 1600 mAh battery? |
| 03:25.16 | flaushy | chuck: yeah,18 month plan ... |
| 03:25.19 | brocktice | Or are those only aftermarket? |
| 03:25.23 | maqr | i could use a bigger battery |
| 03:25.31 | brocktice | maqr, we all could |
| 03:25.54 | maqr | whenever i'm at my desk i just plug in the phone to charge it though |
| 03:26.00 | brocktice | This charging the phone multiple times a day is like 1997 all over again. |
| 03:26.04 | maqr | not too bad from a user point of view |
| 03:26.10 | maqr | brocktice: yeah, but it's not like i'm not at a computer most of the day anyway |
| 03:26.20 | brocktice | My Razr2 lasted several days, so I never had to go "Oh crap, my battery just died and I'm far from home." |
| 03:26.21 | maqr | brocktice: at least it doesn't go through activesync-style hell every time i plug it in |
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| 03:26.50 | brocktice | That has happened with the G1. |
| 03:26.59 | maqr | hasn't happened to me, works 100% smoothly |
| 03:27.03 | unix_infidel | brocktice: yea i think i'm going to have to carry my blackberry curve with me in a spare back just in case my G1 does. |
| 03:27.06 | unix_infidel | dies* |
| 03:27.11 | chuck | $400 seems like a lot though :< |
| 03:27.26 | brocktice | chuck, It's the price of a device without a subsidy. |
| 03:27.27 | ahaberlach | -rw-r--r-- 1 ahaberlach 5000 417127728 Dec 6 17:53 ROMEO_JULIET.m4v |
| 03:27.36 | brocktice | 417 mb? |
| 03:27.46 | maqr | i just got my phone a few days ago for $180, before i heard about the MS thing |
| 03:27.48 | brocktice | Did you use a Handbrake preset? |
| 03:27.51 | maqr | i should probably call tmo about it and bitch |
| 03:27.55 | brocktice | MS? |
| 03:28.19 | brocktice | maqr, Tmo is usually pretty friendly, so they might take it well. |
| 03:28.23 | ahaberlach | (for the folks asking about my video) |
| 03:28.23 | ahaberlach | It's 2 hours running time. |
| 03:28.37 | brocktice | I think they put prozac in the water at tmo call centers. |
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| 03:28.54 | chuck | brocktice, how open is the android? could one install a package manager onto it, for example? |
| 03:29.03 | chuck | is mainly thinking of the telesphoreo project |
| 03:29.04 | morrildl | ahaberlach is gettin his romance on |
| 03:29.22 | brocktice | chuck, My understanding is that you can flash whatever onto it. |
| 03:29.35 | brocktice | At your own risk of course. |
| 03:30.24 | ahaberlach | morrildl : I actually own very few DVDs. That was the nearest one. |
| 03:30.33 | morrildl | heh :) |
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| 03:31.00 | brocktice | The Android build system and tools do not support the obsolete PowerPC architecture. |
| 03:31.05 | brocktice | PowerPC is *not* obselete. |
| 03:31.07 | morrildl | So is this DVD ripping experiment just one microscopic cog in your catastrophic plan, which also involves NetFlix? ;) |
| 03:31.53 | unix_infidel | morrildl: get xvid support going and we wont have to use netflix ;-) |
| 03:31.53 | morrildl | spreads his arms and clears space in the crowd |
| 03:32.13 | morrildl | LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, WE NOW BEGIN TONIGHT'S PROCESSOR ARCHITECTURE GRUDGE MATCH |
| 03:32.14 | ahaberlach | I dunno. I should've done this before I went to Texas last week so I'd have something to watch on the plane. |
| 03:32.16 | brocktice | Crap, I also don't have a case-sensitive filesystem installed, because it breaks so many poorly written apps. |
| 03:32.31 | ahaberlach | Although the little darling child of ours cried pretty much the whole time, so it wouldn't have been so useful. |
| 03:32.32 | brocktice | morrildl, Sorry, I just thought that was a misstatement in the andriod docs. |
| 03:32.42 | morrildl | brocktice: ;) |
| 03:32.47 | brocktice | didn't mean to start a war |
| 03:32.54 | flaushy | lol |
| 03:32.54 | ahaberlach | Qantus has on-demand for every seat, so it's a backup for the flight to Sydney next month. |
| 03:32.58 | brocktice | It's many things but obselete is not exactly the right term. |
| 03:33.14 | morrildl | yeah, we should probably say discontinued there or something |
| 03:33.15 | flaushy | brocktice: in desktop area it is |
| 03:33.25 | brocktice | flaushy, touch? |
| 03:33.34 | brocktice | But outside of the desktop I'm sure IBM would beg to differ. |
| 03:33.51 | flaushy | brocktice: yepe, embedded it is big :) |
| 03:33.56 | morrildl | ha, I had forgotten that IBM still uses them |
| 03:34.03 | brocktice | Oh, and you know, Blue Gene |
| 03:34.05 | flaushy | that is one of the reasons i got a late powerbook |
| 03:34.25 | flaushy | yeah, but supercomputing is not quite the area for mobile developers :P |
| 03:34.41 | ahaberlach | Is anyone making _new_ machines with PPC? |
| 03:34.46 | flaushy | many printers use them as well. |
| 03:34.49 | morrildl | ahaberlach: Sydney, eh? Fun! |
| 03:34.52 | brocktice | ahaberlach, yes, the top500 #4 and 5 |
| 03:34.53 | maqr | ok, so, now i'm root and i have the sdk... is there anything else i should be aware of before i start hacking at it? |
| 03:35.04 | brocktice | maqr, Don't do rm -rf /* |
| 03:35.12 | flaushy | ahaberlach: desktop i dont think so, embedded, millions ... |
| 03:35.15 | maqr | brocktice: heh |
| 03:35.50 | jbq | *yawn* |
| 03:35.58 | maqr | brocktice: one thing i'm wondering about, what the hell is AndroidMod and why did I use it? |
| 03:36.03 | maqr | it worked fine and all, but i'm not sure i understand it |
| 03:36.19 | brocktice | maqr, The G1 is signed cryptographically to only take signed updates. |
| 03:36.24 | brocktice | However, it had a root hole. |
| 03:37.00 | brocktice | That hole allows you to flash a new set of system images that do not require signed images from Google/Tmobile |
| 03:37.00 | brocktice | Once you've flashed them you can then install customized updates that, say, retain root access. |
| 03:37.17 | brocktice | "signed cryptographically" is a misstatement but you get the idea. |
| 03:37.32 | maqr | yeah, i know how signing works... but AndroidMod is what, exactly? a boot loader? |
| 03:37.41 | brocktice | Recovery image, I think. |
| 03:37.42 | flaushy | replace it with "trusted" |
| 03:37.59 | brocktice | flaushy, Well, the G1 is not signed per se, it's configured to require signed images. |
| 03:38.21 | flaushy | brocktice: sure. i would require that if i was tmo ... |
| 03:38.25 | maqr | so the thing i saw when i booted with home/power? that's not supposed to be on the g1 by default? that was the AndroidMod? |
| 03:38.42 | brocktice | No that's there. |
| 03:38.52 | brocktice | But it's been replaced with one that's not as picky about what it flashes. |
| 03:39.09 | maqr | and how did it get fixed to do that? |
| 03:39.14 | brocktice | Magic. |
| 03:39.19 | brocktice | and JesusFreke et al. |
| 03:39.30 | maqr | i'd really love to know how they made that image |
| 03:39.36 | maqr | the rest of it i think i pretty much understand |
| 03:39.42 | brocktice | They just re-signed the proper update. |
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| 03:39.48 | brocktice | With a development key or some such. |
| 03:40.06 | maqr | but did they build it from the official android source? |
| 03:40.18 | brocktice | No, I think they built it from the OTA updates (official). |
| 03:40.38 | brocktice | Oh wait. yes maybe. I should shut up because I don't think I know. |
| 03:40.40 | maqr | for the AndroidMod, i mean |
| 03:40.57 | maqr | is checking out the source with git now |
| 03:40.58 | chuck | which would be better, a new Android Dev Phone 1 device or an unlocked G1 off of ebay? |
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| 03:41.29 | ahaberlach | The Android Dev Phone has the bitchin' design on the back... |
| 03:41.33 | brocktice | maqr, I'm trying to get repo installed on OSX to do the same. |
| 03:41.39 | brocktice | ahaberlach, Yeah but is it a $400 design? |
| 03:41.52 | ahaberlach | Are the non-Dev ones SIM-unlocked? I suppose you get that after 90 days with T-Mo, though. |
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| 03:42.42 | maqr | brocktice: yeah, i just realized i need repo too :/ |
| 03:44.00 | chuck | ahaberlach, I know dude, it's awesome |
| 03:44.09 | jbq | morrildl: this is for you: http://osnews.com/story/20616/eComStation_2_0_RC6a_Available |
| 03:44.14 | chuck | ahaberlach, How much are the T-Mobile ones? |
| 03:44.20 | morrildl | jbq: hahahaha |
| 03:44.31 | chuck | is fine with registering with google as a developer, especially since their prices are *way way way* better than Apple's for their program >< |
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| 03:47.47 | maqr | what does the $25 actually buy you, btw? just the ability to push to the Market? |
| 03:48.09 | maqr | brocktice: repo is just a shell script btw, works fine here in cygwin |
| 03:48.28 | brocktice | maqr, and the ability to buy a phone. |
| 03:49.01 | brocktice | maqr, there's a Repo script, but then it brings down the latest version of "Repo" the doc says? |
| 03:50.11 | maqr | brocktice: seems to be working, i'm following the directions |
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| 03:50.26 | brocktice | yeah it seems to create a config directory and such |
| 03:50.46 | brocktice | I suppose as mistakes go, $200 is not that bad. |
| 03:50.55 | brocktice | Beats backing into a fixed object or something with the car. |
| 03:51.36 | maqr | true |
| 03:51.45 | maqr | brocktice: i'm sure it'll be unlocked soon enough |
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| 03:52.19 | brocktice | If I bricked it it would have been a $400 mistake. |
| 03:52.32 | maqr | it doesn't look possible to brick it |
| 03:52.39 | maqr | i just did the update and it worked really easily |
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| 03:53.08 | chuck | maqr, and the ability to get an android device without being a customer of one of the brethern in the OHA |
| 03:53.22 | RyeBrye | morrildl: T-Mobile gave someone a warranty replacement with the unlocked bootloader |
| 03:53.28 | RyeBrye | sorry... I was out shopping when the stuff was going down |
| 03:53.31 | maqr | chuck: well, yeah, but that doesn't help :P |
| 03:53.40 | maqr | any idea how long until apps are going to be for sale? |
| 03:53.50 | chuck | maqr, Aren't they already on sale? O_o |
| 03:53.55 | brocktice | maqr, I thought it's january. |
| 03:53.55 | chuck | with the release of the G1 and all that |
| 03:54.02 | maqr | chuck: no, they're all free right now |
| 03:54.06 | chuck | oh.. |
| 03:54.06 | RyeBrye | morrildl: but yes - that phone got shipped out about a month ago... but that guy has been busy / unavailable... took a while to figure out how to properly dump / reflash it |
| 03:54.23 | maqr | brocktice: i'm wondering how that agreement will work for small developers... maybe i can make a really good app and encourage people to pay me $1 for it? |
| 03:54.35 | brocktice | maqr, Or you eat the $25. |
| 03:54.44 | chuck | I haven't even tried an android device yet, though, we have no real T-Mobile stores, only resellers with fun, plastic, non-working G1s >> |
| 03:55.00 | brocktice | Kind of lame, but it's not that steep. |
| 03:55.13 | brocktice | The price of greatness as my old boss would say. |
| 03:55.20 | chuck | brocktice, yeah, especially when compared to $100/year for apple's program |
| 03:55.21 | morrildl | RyeBrye: neat :) |
| 03:55.30 | brocktice | Wait, that's *per year*? |
| 03:56.01 | chuck | brocktice, apple's is, yes |
| 03:56.04 | brocktice | Jaysus |
| 03:56.07 | morrildl | did not know that |
| 03:56.15 | brocktice | highway robbery |
| 03:56.30 | ismarc | not to mention the agreement they make you sign |
| 03:56.37 | brocktice | the android tree is not small |
| 03:56.41 | ismarc | basically you can't even discuss your app ideas with anyone who hasn't signed it |
| 03:56.52 | maqr | can someone with a Market login tell me if you can change your publisher name after you sign up? |
| 03:57.00 | chuck | does Google filter applications based on their content? (as in, not if they're blatant viruses and whatnot) but would they let in an email client, for example? |
| 03:57.02 | brocktice | ismarc, And also that they have no real guidlines and they can just pull your app if they don't like it. |
| 03:57.04 | chuck | ismarc, I think they got rid of that |
| 03:57.12 | brocktice | chuck, There already is an email client. |
| 03:57.19 | chuck | brocktice, I'm just giving an example |
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| 03:57.36 | brocktice | They don't seem to. |
| 03:57.42 | chuck | Because Apple will not approve of any sort of applications that duplicate applications that come with the iPhone |
| 03:57.46 | ismarc | they removed some restrictions, but there's a lot in place |
| 03:57.51 | ismarc | I'll have to review it on Monday |
| 03:57.57 | RyeBrye | morrildl: That's why for the past few weeks we've been dropping hints about how we knew that there were some engineering bootloaders out in the wild :) |
| 03:58.12 | brocktice | alright, off to bedfordshire. Night all. |
| 03:58.19 | chuck | ismarc, yeah, I personally haven't read it since I signed one myself, my knowledge on it comes from engadget now |
| 03:58.24 | RyeBrye | morrildl: I can't imagine it is just 1 phone out of the 600,000 that had it - but I imagine the % is very low. So... he basically won the lottery |
| 03:59.01 | maqr | RyeBrye: you work for htc? |
| 03:59.06 | RyeBrye | me? hell no |
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| 03:59.28 | chuck | Apple also won't approve of applications that use certain frameworks, like ones that control the proximity sensor, TV Video Out, etc. |
| 03:59.46 | RyeBrye | Yeah, Apple are control freaks |
| 03:59.55 | elad | get them both |
| 04:00.05 | elad | <chuck> which would be better, a new Android Dev Phone 1 device or an unlocked G1 off of ebay? |
| 04:00.12 | chuck | Technically, one of Google's applications shouldn't even be in the app store, as it used the proximity sensor libraries, but Apple won't take it down, as they're both corporate friends >_> |
| 04:00.26 | flaushy | gosh ... how much hassle it is to check shipping costs of dev g1 to germany ... |
| 04:00.27 | chuck | elad, I'm not that rich :P |
| 04:00.38 | unix_infidel | wonders if the G1 has video out ;-) |
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| 04:00.59 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel: the MSM7201A has video out - yes - but there's not anything connected to it on the G1 |
| 04:01.10 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel: So.. get out your soldering iron, and then spend a long time figuring out hte specs |
| 04:01.37 | RyeBrye | the MSM7201A is also capable of driving an external monitor - like a video projector or something - but that's also not being used on the G1 |
| 04:01.40 | flaushy | is there a way to check shipping costs to germany without paying the fee? |
| 04:02.00 | Disconnect | flaushy: don't bother, just get an unlocked g1 (or local one) and flash the engineering bootloader. |
| 04:02.14 | flaushy | Disconnect: unlocked ones are at 400+ Euro here |
| 04:02.20 | flaushy | so 500+ USD |
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| 04:02.51 | Disconnect | it'll be at least htat much for a dev unit |
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| 04:03.00 | flaushy | and some are even selling from usa, meaning we have to add customs |
| 04:03.01 | Disconnect | 425USD + 120-someting |
| 04:03.10 | flaushy | ouch |
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| 04:03.24 | unix_infidel | and I thought I was paying a crazy premium for my phone + data contract in the states... |
| 04:03.26 | orospakr | I'm wondering if the large shipping charge for me in Canada is due to GST. |
| 04:03.41 | orospakr | because that would make some amount of sense. |
| 04:04.05 | maqr | unix_infidel: hey, i know you, you got a g1 too? :p |
| 04:04.26 | maqr | brocktice: repo worked correctly here in cygwin btw |
| 04:04.38 | unix_infidel | maqr: for now... |
| 04:04.41 | flaushy | Disconnect: thx for the info |
| 04:05.02 | RyeBrye | http://www.ent.eetchina.com/PDF/2007FEB/DTCOL_2007FEB15_AVDE_RFR_AN_01.pdf?SOURCES=DOWNLOAD shows what the MSM7200 can do |
| 04:05.09 | maqr | unix_infidel: what's wrong? |
| 04:05.54 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: which would make the iPhone a perfect in car dockable device. |
| 04:05.55 | RyeBrye | TV-out, along with 2 MMDI - 1 for LCD and 1 for external monitor, USB on the Go... etc |
| 04:06.29 | elad | Rye- nice |
| 04:06.42 | RyeBrye | but obviously we'll never make use of those capabilities on the G1 |
| 04:06.49 | unix_infidel | :-( |
| 04:07.10 | RyeBrye | We only have 11 pins coming out of the case. so we get audio + usb |
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| 04:07.19 | RyeBrye | USB on the go, perhaps, we can enable with a power + data cable |
| 04:07.46 | Fnordg1 | what about stereo? |
| 04:08.00 | RyeBrye | Perhaps the Qvideophone, Qcamcorder (video recorder) and some other stuff could be tapped into at some point, dunno |
| 04:08.18 | gfindster_dev | anyone tried the R2 SDK? |
| 04:08.39 | maqr | is it actually possible this htc dream is a usb host? |
| 04:08.42 | maqr | or is that just rumour? |
| 04:09.11 | jbq_ | rumor. it doesn't have the supporting hardware to do it. |
| 04:09.23 | maqr | oh, ok |
| 04:09.37 | maqr | i wouldn't have thought it would, with that tiny usb port |
| 04:10.58 | unix_infidel | wishes the screen unlock would turn off when it sees my inhome WAP. |
| 04:11.24 | chuck | unix_infidel, do you have a G1? |
| 04:15.03 | maqr | brocktice: only problem is, i have no idea where the hell it's downloading the repository to |
| 04:15.35 | RyeBrye | maqr: other HTC devices have usb host if you use a special cable that provides data + power at the same time. We haven't gotten that far with the G1, but it's conceivable that it's got USB host that could work |
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| 04:16.20 | maqr | RyeBrye: oh, wow, that'd be awesome |
| 04:17.00 | RyeBrye | I know I, for one, would carry around a battery-powered USB host cable - with the battery pack in one pocket, and a full-sized Sun Type 6 keyboard connected to my phone so I could SMS at 100 WPM |
| 04:17.04 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 04:17.16 | chuck | RyeBrye, haha, nice |
| 04:20.35 | maqr | RyeBrye: i'd actually consider using it for web development if there's ever a firefox port :p |
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| 04:21.24 | unix_infidel | maqr: likely a fennec port. |
| 04:21.54 | unix_infidel | though i'd rather see a chrome-like greasemonkey like framework before a fennec port. |
| 04:23.45 | maqr | unix_infidel: anything i can firebug with :) |
| 04:24.26 | chuck | Does anyone know if it would be possible to port APT to the Android and provide it through the Market? As in, is it technilogically possible, and will Google accept it? |
| 04:24.58 | ahaberlach | I'm not sure if the market terms allow you to sell other download management systems. |
| 04:25.05 | ahaberlach | But I'm far from the last word on such things. |
| 04:25.09 | jbq_ | chuck: that might be against the market ToS. |
| 04:25.20 | jbq_ | but I know about as much as ahaberlach does. |
| 04:25.26 | ahaberlach | high-fives jbq. |
| 04:25.36 | chuck | that's too bad =( |
| 04:25.47 | chuck | So much for it being an Open Platform.. |
| 04:25.53 | ahaberlach | Well, it's only "too bad" if it's not possible. :) |
| 04:26.10 | jbq_ | the openness of the platform allows you to put it on any web site you want. |
| 04:26.26 | ahaberlach | Also, I would suspect that most of the stuff from apt would be native code. |
| 04:26.31 | unix_infidel | it is. handango tried and it's against TOS |
| 04:26.31 | chuck | wonders if there will ever be a truely open phone that still looks and works good (so OpenMoko doesn't count ;-) |
| 04:26.37 | Damm | APT as in apt-get? (debian)? |
| 04:26.38 | ahaberlach | Anyway, what're you trying to do? |
| 04:26.42 | chuck | andyross, 'tis, apt is probably written in C or C++ |
| 04:26.45 | chuck | oops |
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| 04:26.48 | chuck | * ahaberlach |
| 04:26.49 | Damm | that's more then likely not going to hit the market |
| 04:26.59 | Damm | as it's not java for one, and two most people who would want it... have a rooted device |
| 04:27.08 | Damm | so it being in the market would be useless |
| 04:27.14 | jbq | chuck: that's not really the phone, it's really the market ToS at play here. |
| 04:27.24 | flaushy | chuck: yeah there will be, Freerunner might be out of question for you, but maybe other phones come up with OM |
| 04:27.31 | ahaberlach | wonders if he just got sucked into another "I want to be able to use a shell on my phone" discussion. |
| 04:27.32 | brocktice | chuck, you can make it available. |
| 04:27.38 | brocktice | The platform is open, just not the market. |
| 04:28.07 | chuck | ahaberlach, there's a project called Telesphoreo (http://www.telesphoreo.org/) that aims to get APT package management on "modern smartphones". Currently, it runs very well on the iPhone. |
| 04:28.27 | chuck | and it's completely open, you can add whatever sources you want, and most of the default sources will even host packages for you |
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| 04:30.38 | jbq | I'd really like to see Android evolve such that Market doesn't require any special permissions, i.e. where any application could install and uninstall packages without putting security in jeopardy. |
| 04:30.52 | flaushy | would like to have a good platform in the first place, that gives him fast results to code |
| 04:31.12 | ahaberlach | chuck : So, uh, once again -- what are you trying to do? :) |
| 04:31.23 | flaushy | jbq: yepe. a good sandbox :) |
| 04:32.15 | chuck | ahaberlach, I want an Android device, but not if it's fairly closed. The fact that it can't run any native code (and apparently doesn't even have a shell?) means that a lot of nice utilities can't even be ported to it.. |
| 04:32.22 | ahaberlach | Well, that helps with security, and you can even do some neat tricks with the kernel to isolate CPU usage and the like. |
| 04:32.38 | ahaberlach | But how is it going to keep me from eating your batteries? |
| 04:32.41 | flaushy | J2ME is a joke as far as i know. IPhone with the market is too restrictive for "i just want to code to learn", price tag too heavy :( |
| 04:32.43 | jbq | chuck: have you tried "adb shell"? There's a shell in there. |
| 04:33.03 | ahaberlach | chuck : So, I think I understand what you want, but I've never understood why. |
| 04:34.08 | brocktice | so, where is the extract-files.sh in the android platform repository/ |
| 04:34.15 | chuck | flaushy, Well, it's not all that restrictive if your Jailbreak it |
| 04:34.21 | brocktice | I can't find it with "find . -name extract-files.sh" |
| 04:34.22 | chuck | In fact, it's not restrictive at all |
| 04:34.44 | RyeBrye | chuck: apt on android isn't that unfeasible. Youv'e heard of Cydia for iPhone? Saurik wrote it and it's basically apt for iphone |
| 04:35.03 | RyeBrye | chuck: but as far as an official apt replacing market, that's not really practical or wanted |
| 04:35.06 | chuck | RyeBrye, Yeah, that's what I'm talking about, Cydia is the front end for telesphoreo |
| 04:35.28 | flaushy | chuck: iphones are very limited IMO. One device, one vendor (at least in germany), one architecture, one market. Jailbreak is IMO out of question. I want to keep my 2 year warranty within germany |
| 04:35.43 | offby1 | hmm. The Wi-Fi radio shut off when the screen blanks? |
| 04:35.47 | offby1 | s//Does |
| 04:35.56 | xsdg | offby1: two minutes after the screen blanks, yes |
| 04:35.56 | chuck | Yeah, apt doesn't replace the AppStore on the iPhone either, but its nice to get things like screen, openssh, appliations that apple doesn't want in their store, etc. |
| 04:35.57 | RyeBrye | chuck: you can run a full debian chroot on the G1, so... you can do whatever the hell you want |
| 04:36.03 | ahaberlach | offby1 : I believe it is two minutes after the scren blanks that we power down the WiFi in order to save power. |
| 04:36.04 | RyeBrye | IF you have a rooted one |
| 04:36.10 | offby1 | *nod |
| 04:36.22 | ahaberlach | On the assumption that your mobile network is sufficient for stuff if you're not actively using the device. |
| 04:36.51 | chuck | flaushy, sounds a little like Android at the moment ;-) |
| 04:37.00 | ahaberlach | Ok, assumption is a pretty strong word. We've done some testing. :) |
| 04:37.21 | flaushy | chuck: if i cant install apps without going through market,then it dies instantly for me. |
| 04:37.23 | ahaberlach | If you have a rooted one, or you have a Dev on... |
| 04:37.44 | ahaberlach | You can install apps from any website, if you turn on the "trust other sites" option in settings. |
| 04:37.57 | maqr | this 'repo sync' is taking *forever* |
| 04:38.04 | flaushy | chuck: and there are more android cells to come,there will always be only one iphone ... |
| 04:38.24 | xsdg | maqr: have you tried `repo sync-faster`? (j/k :o) |
| 04:38.32 | maqr | xsdg: i haven't, but heya :) |
| 04:38.44 | chuck | ahaberlach, so does the dev phone have less restrictions? |
| 04:38.44 | brocktice | maqr, Mine's been done a while |
| 04:38.50 | brocktice | If only I could find the dream build stuff |
| 04:38.50 | maqr | is formerly known as hax, in case you don't remember :p |
| 04:38.55 | flaushy | ahaberlach: thx for the info :) |
| 04:39.00 | xsdg | maqr: aah, cool |
| 04:39.01 | maqr | brocktice: i don't wanna build as much as i wanna poke |
| 04:39.03 | ahaberlach | chuck : Flash whatever you want on it. :) |
| 04:39.05 | xsdg | maqr: how's it going? |
| 04:39.12 | maqr | xsdg: going good, just got my rooted g1, thanks to JesusFreke |
| 04:39.19 | ahaberlach | Heck, port freeBSD to it, and try to get the iPhone to run. :) |
| 04:39.21 | RyeBrye | chuck: the dev phone is like a playground - it has no restrictions really except I bet the radio is off limits (it's not sim locked, but you probably can't turn it into a GSM sniffer or anything) |
| 04:39.26 | flaushy | anyone knows how it is with freerunner flashed to android? Can I install apps from weherever? |
| 04:39.26 | maqr | xsdg: got my sdk working and such, gonna start writing apps |
| 04:39.37 | xsdg | maqr: cool |
| 04:39.42 | brocktice | I got the blobs off of the Dream. |
| 04:39.51 | brocktice | Not some 300MB as was stated earlier. Must be some confusion. |
| 04:40.16 | brocktice | the git tree is 1.6 GB?! |
| 04:40.25 | xsdg | brocktice: magic! *g* |
| 04:40.40 | xsdg | brocktice: welcome to "Android is an operating system" |
| 04:41.00 | Nafai | maqr: What kind of apps? :) |
| 04:41.09 | brocktice | xsdg, Thanks, can you tell me where I might find the platform/vendor stuff? |
| 04:41.18 | brocktice | Doesn't seem to be under the "entire platform" |
| 04:41.19 | maqr | Nafai: don't know yet, depends how much of the UI i can alter |
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| 04:41.33 | xsdg | brocktice: nope. swetland could if he were around |
| 04:41.37 | maqr | brocktice: 1.6GB sounds about reasonable, i'm just gonna let it crank until it tells me it's done |
| 04:41.40 | xsdg | brocktice: or someone else might remember |
| 04:41.43 | brocktice | Ah ok I'll bug him later |
| 04:41.45 | brocktice | Thanks |
| 04:41.49 | xsdg | np |
| 04:41.53 | brocktice | I should probably learn how to use git properly. |
| 04:41.54 | maqr | brocktice: it's all going into ~/.repo for some reason though, not ~/mydroid |
| 04:41.55 | brocktice | Then I would know. |
| 04:42.02 | brocktice | maqr, That's strange. |
| 04:42.18 | maqr | i figure it knows what it's doing, i followed the directions |
| 04:42.29 | maqr | it probably copies over stuff when it's done, or something |
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| 04:45.08 | brocktice | Hm, the remote end is hanging up on me when I try to git that stuff. |
| 04:45.37 | jbq | brocktice: try again. this happens sometimes. |
| 04:45.39 | maqr | maybe because i'm downloading it? |
| 04:47.05 | RyeBrye | brocktice: what vendor platform do you want? |
| 04:47.13 | RyeBrye | brocktice: do you have it set to pull the G1 stuff? |
| 04:47.15 | brocktice | RyeBrye, htc dream |
| 04:47.22 | brocktice | Nope |
| 04:47.24 | RyeBrye | I posted instructions on a wiki somehwere |
| 04:47.34 | brocktice | OK, I'll FGI then. |
| 04:47.46 | RyeBrye | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Building_the_HTC_Dream_Platform |
| 04:47.54 | RyeBrye | I think that works - you have to basically put that manifest file there somewhere |
| 04:48.07 | RyeBrye | the local_manifest is necessary to get it to pull the files |
| 04:48.08 | brocktice | RyeBrye, excellent, thanks! |
| 04:48.20 | RyeBrye | ymmv - but that still works for me. if you find stuff has changed since then, please update the wiki |
| 04:48.23 | brocktice | oh crap I forgot I need to put the whole thing on a case-sensitive disk image. |
| 04:48.28 | brocktice | Will do. |
| 04:48.39 | RyeBrye | yeah, you'll probably have to re-check it out to get it to work |
| 04:48.41 | RyeBrye | :( |
| 04:48.46 | brocktice | such is life. |
| 04:48.56 | brocktice | OK, will try tomorrow. Now actually going to bed. |
| 04:49.09 | RyeBrye | case-sensitive disk image is far superior to repartitioning your drive |
| 04:49.22 | ahaberlach | +1 |
| 04:49.29 | RyeBrye | oh, and fwiw - swetland gave me those instructions when I asked a while ago |
| 04:51.58 | DarkriftX | i wish google had chosen someone besides tmo |
| 04:52.08 | DarkriftX | they are fucking rediculous |
| 04:53.04 | DarkriftX | they fucked up my credit check, then ran my wifes and when i decided to do it under mine, they told me they would have to rerun the credit check, so we just stuck with hers, now i cant do shit on the account because they need a females voice to tell them the pin |
| 04:53.58 | ahaberlach | Hmm. And nobody has yet written an application to change your voice during a phone call... |
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| 04:54.08 | maqr | RyeBrye: the HTC drivers are closed, right? |
| 04:54.18 | ahaberlach | So you can't just use the 'femaleulator' mode. |
| 04:54.21 | maqr | RyeBrye: as in, it's not possible to do a 100%-from-source build of the g1 and install it? |
| 04:54.42 | RyeBrye | maqr: yes, but a lot of them are getting opened up soon - you can see them sitting in the 2.6.27 branch |
| 04:54.44 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 04:54.45 | ahaberlach | The kernel stuff is all committed into the mainline Linux kernel. |
| 04:55.08 | maqr | RyeBrye: is it expected that at some point we can build everything for the phone and make our own images? |
| 04:55.11 | RyeBrye | ahaberlach: is it in 2.6.27 mainline? or are you in the merge window for 2.6.28? |
| 04:55.28 | RyeBrye | maqr: I already do - but the proprietary google stuff has to be copied |
| 04:55.28 | ahaberlach | dunno. I know that swetland is big on having stuff go into the core. |
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| 04:55.57 | sparkle | heh ahaberlach |
| 04:55.59 | flaushy | DarkriftX: thanks for confirmation that tmo is strange even outside germany |
| 04:56.07 | RyeBrye | ahaberlach: the only reason I ask is because of timing... you have to have your crap sitting and waiting for the merge window to open - and the once the merge window closes the stuff waits for the next merge window |
| 04:56.28 | Disconnect | maqr: afaik the wlan will not open but thats mostly it. the apps are a different story tho. |
| 04:56.31 | RyeBrye | So if it was just recently put in place, it might not hit mainline until 2.6.29 or something |
| 04:56.34 | jbq | That'd really be a question for swetland |
| 04:56.38 | ahaberlach | Hmm. I don't know specifics, just the generals. :) |
| 04:56.40 | Disconnect | jbq don't you sleep? |
| 04:56.40 | RyeBrye | it' not a huge deal |
| 04:56.50 | ahaberlach | I'd leave it as a question for General Swetland. |
| 04:56.50 | Disconnect | seriously weird dude. you gotta sleep sometime.. |
| 04:56.54 | maqr | RyeBrye: oh that's really cool |
| 04:57.10 | jbq | Disconnect: it's 9pm, not time to sleep! |
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| 04:57.23 | maqr | RyeBrye: so you built everything from source besides some kernel modules, which you just copied and they worked? |
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| 04:57.46 | RyeBrye | the only kernel module was wlan.ko - and it works if you set your magic version number to match what it wants |
| 04:57.46 | Disconnect | heh. but istr i saw you at ungodly oclock (eastern time, prolly 10ish?) this mroning, too.. |
| 04:57.48 | jbq | (actually, I've been catching some ZZZs during the day) |
| 04:57.55 | Disconnect | ah cheating. i got it. :) |
| 04:58.05 | jbq | Disconnect: yeah, I was up around 6:30pst |
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| 04:58.38 | jbq | I'm a morning person, though, so you're unlikely to see me after 10 or 11pm pacific time. |
| 04:59.11 | Disconnect | infobot: dev phone |
| 04:59.33 | Disconnect | infobot: stats |
| 04:59.34 | infobot | Since Sat Dec 6 11:29:52 2008, there have been 28 modifications, 131 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 59 commands. I have been awake for 17h 29m 41s this session, and currently reference 115592 factoids. I'm using about 19852 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 1704.74/94.41 child 0.03/0.01 |
| 04:59.39 | RyeBrye | infobot devphones |
| 04:59.40 | infobot | hmm... devphones is a phone with magical powers and will make all your wildest dreams come true. You can read about them here: http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html - in order to buy one, you have to pay a $25 to be in the "developer club" and then you can get into the back room where they keep them behind a curtain of lava. very expensive to ship outside the US, or sporting this: http://tinyurl.com/54sxg2 |
| 04:59.45 | RyeBrye | Infobot doesn't seem to like spaces |
| 04:59.53 | RyeBrye | infobot dev\ phone |
| 05:00.02 | RyeBrye | infobot dev\ phone is a dev phone |
| 05:00.02 | infobot | RyeBrye: okay |
| 05:00.08 | RyeBrye | infobot dev\ phone |
| 05:00.09 | infobot | i heard dev\ phone is a dev phone |
| 05:00.12 | RyeBrye | LOL |
| 05:00.19 | RyeBrye | ok, it doesn't REALLY escape very well, does it? |
| 05:00.20 | Disconnect | infobot: devphones is also http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/7 if you have root |
| 05:00.21 | infobot | that's too long, Disconnect |
| 05:00.33 | RyeBrye | :) |
| 05:00.41 | Disconnect | well don't read the article.. |
| 05:00.42 | Disconnect | infobot: devphones is also http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/7 |
| 05:00.43 | infobot | Disconnect: okay |
| 05:01.03 | RyeBrye | Disconnect: that's not quite true - the unsigned bit is being worked out right now - but should be ready very shortly |
| 05:01.14 | Disconnect | yah |
| 05:02.45 | RyeBrye | did ttuttle see that yet? |
| 05:02.49 | RyeBrye | or any googlers comment on the title? |
| 05:03.13 | Disconnect | not yet :) |
| 05:03.31 | xsdg | infobot: owner |
| 05:03.32 | infobot | TimRiker is my owner |
| 05:03.39 | RyeBrye | infobot: slave |
| 05:03.51 | RyeBrye | infobot: a slave is also known as an intern. See also: ttuttle |
| 05:03.52 | infobot | okay, RyeBrye |
| 05:03.59 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 05:04.08 | Disconnect | lol |
| 05:05.01 | RyeBrye | ttuttle: you here? |
| 05:05.19 | DarkriftX | i was thinking of getting an invisishield |
| 05:05.22 | DarkriftX | are they worth it? |
| 05:05.41 | RyeBrye | I paid $8 for the bestshieldsever and it works fine |
| 05:05.44 | DarkriftX | or is there anything else more protective that might be more bulky? |
| 05:05.47 | RyeBrye | or maybe it's bestskinsever |
| 05:05.55 | RyeBrye | but Disconnect makes money if you buy from him |
| 05:05.58 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 05:06.10 | DarkriftX | there used to be a cool gel case the the wizard i wanted, but not sure how that worked |
| 05:06.15 | mattgyver83 | Is there a way to play music via bluetooth on the g1?? |
| 05:06.25 | Disconnect | i love my invisishield |
| 05:06.32 | RyeBrye | mattgyver83: with a nick like that, I'm sure you can figure it out |
| 05:06.36 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye: im an affil of invisishields too lol |
| 05:06.48 | Disconnect | full body cladding on the macbook, wif has a screen protector on her bb, and i bought the full body for the g1 but i think i'm only gonna use the screen protector |
| 05:07.12 | Disconnect | couple of coworkers got various ones also, they are happy |
| 05:07.39 | DarkriftX | something like this: http://www.daydeal.com/product.php?productid=25438 |
| 05:08.40 | Disconnect | thats pretty slick looking |
| 05:09.34 | mattgyver83 | touché |
| 05:09.35 | DarkriftX | doesnt seem to be as protective as the wizard ones were |
| 05:11.53 | ahaberlach | DarkriftX : Neat! |
| 05:12.12 | DarkriftX | you should have seen the one i wanted for my wizard |
| 05:12.19 | xsdg | mattgyver83: A2DP isn't supported right now. Mono should work, though, iirc |
| 05:12.25 | ahaberlach | Is that "Wizard" like the guys who built the metal cases for PalmPilots back in 1997? |
| 05:12.30 | ahaberlach | Or was that someone else? |
| 05:12.35 | DarkriftX | it was much more form fitting and looked softer (like those gel mousepads) |
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| 05:12.58 | Disconnect | i suspect part of the a2dp problem is that the bt chip is run at 115200k |
| 05:13.13 | Disconnect | er 115200 not k :) |
| 05:13.32 | ahaberlach | Yeah, the current release doesn't run the UART at high speed. |
| 05:13.47 | RyeBrye | ahaberlach: I think he means Sharp Wizard - the ones that have an entire Seinfeld episode devoted to them |
| 05:13.57 | offby1 | wow, "UART" ... there's a term I haven't heard in a while |
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| 05:15.01 | ahaberlach | RyeBrye : Yeah. I think I was thinking of "Rhino" cases, anyway. 1997 (and my PalmPilot days) were a while ago. |
| 05:15.38 | RyeBrye | ahaberlach: I would hope that everyone's PalmPilot days were a while ago :) |
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| 05:16.32 | ahaberlach | Hmm. These guys should make a G1 case: http://www.saunders-usa.com/rhinoskin/ |
| 05:17.11 | maqr | ahaberlach: i was just telling somebody that |
| 05:17.56 | jbq | Or those guys: http://www.vajacases.com/ I have a few of their cases, like them. |
| 05:18.12 | RyeBrye | Or this: http://www.plastidip.com/home_solutions/Plasti_Dip plus a lot of careful masking ;) |
| 05:18.17 | P1ro | lhi, its there a way to register with android market without google checkout ???? paypal??? or anything ??? |
| 05:18.30 | ahaberlach | I want to be enchanted by the irresistable aroma of their leather cases! |
| 05:18.30 | RyeBrye | P1ro: firstborn child |
| 05:18.40 | P1ro | huh ? |
| 05:18.42 | offby1 | !!! |
| 05:18.47 | ahaberlach | But only if your firstborn child has a Google checkout account. |
| 05:18.56 | RyeBrye | oh, ahaberlach has a good point |
| 05:19.21 | RyeBrye | infobot: devphones |
| 05:19.21 | infobot | well, devphones is a phone with magical powers and will make all your wildest dreams come true. You can read about them here: http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html - in order to buy one, you have to pay a $25 to be in the "developer club" and then you can get into the back room where they keep them behind a curtain of lava. very expensive to ship outside the US, or sporting this: http://tinyurl.com/54sxg2, or http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/7 |
| 05:19.22 | P1ro | so only with google checkout ? |
| 05:19.23 | chuck | P1ro, nope |
| 05:19.27 | P1ro | :( |
| 05:19.36 | ahaberlach | Ok, I've spent enough time decreasing the signal/noise ratio today. I'm outta here. |
| 05:20.23 | chuck | yeah it has a really nice design on the back, I like it, it's strangely zune-esque |
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| 05:21.26 | RyeBrye | I would have preferred if that back was used for something useful - like the periodic table of the elements, or a list of dex bytecodes, or a list of upcoming lottery-winning numbers or something |
| 05:21.33 | Disconnect | lol |
| 05:21.37 | Disconnect | get it etched |
| 05:21.43 | DarkriftX | anyone wanna change the color of thier g1? lol: http://www.google.com/products?hl=en&q=g1+rubber+shield&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=X&oi=product_result_group&resnum=1&ct=title |
| 05:22.03 | RyeBrye | that's cheaper than colorware or whatever |
| 05:22.09 | JesusFreke | just a bit. lol |
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| 05:23.09 | orospakr | oh well, I just spent the $264 for the Canadian shipping. go me. |
| 05:24.19 | DarkriftX | i think i found the one imma try: http://www.handhelditems.com/google-phone-rubber-case-black-free-screen-protector-p-19443.html |
| 05:24.36 | RyeBrye | orospakr: You could have shipped it to me, I woudl have repackaged it to look like bars of soap and re-shipped it for only $100 |
| 05:24.58 | DarkriftX | under $11 shipped |
| 05:25.10 | jammr | DarkriftX http://www.resellerratings.com/store/HandHelditems :[ |
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| 05:25.20 | jammr | wouldn't suggest using them |
| 05:25.21 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX: http://www.bestskinsever.com/servlet/the-115/T-dsh-Mobile-G1-Skin/Detail is the one I have |
| 05:25.33 | orospakr | haha. |
| 05:26.57 | DarkriftX | its a little... thin... i want something that gives it better shock absorbtion |
| 05:27.10 | DarkriftX | not much, but a little |
| 05:27.20 | xsdg | DarkriftX: sorry to nitpick, but "absorPtion" |
| 05:27.21 | DarkriftX | right now i set it down sooo slowly its sad lol |
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| 05:27.42 | DarkriftX | oh lol, dindt even notice i misspoelled it |
| 05:27.44 | DarkriftX | well wtf |
| 05:27.52 | gfindtest | hi all |
| 05:27.59 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX: I've dropped mine plenty with that on it... It's designed like an F1 car - it blows into pieces and doesn't get hurt |
| 05:28.03 | RyeBrye | well... I guess F1 cars get hurt |
| 05:28.10 | xsdg | haha |
| 05:28.12 | RyeBrye | but the back will pop off and the battery sometimes pops out but the phone is fine |
| 05:28.17 | gfindtest | anyone tried sdk r1_02 version |
| 05:28.33 | gfindtest | anyone |
| 05:28.39 | xsdg | Bueller? |
| 05:28.41 | RyeBrye | I'm wating for sdk r2_d2 |
| 05:28.49 | xsdg | Bueller? |
| 05:30.09 | DarkriftX | hrmmmm, $7.50 shipped from that handhelditems place with coupon :( |
| 05:30.15 | DarkriftX | lemme read those reviews lol |
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| 05:33.51 | louzer | hi all, I added a string to string.xml but the R.java file does not have the resource id there. How do I solve this? |
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| 05:35.37 | DarkriftX | for less than $9 shipped i think i can deal with a longer wait time |
| 05:36.19 | xsdg | louzer: can you give more details? how are you compiling? Can you make other changes that _are_ properly reflected when the app is run? other changes to string.xml? |
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| 05:36.40 | xsdg | oh well |
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| 05:39.40 | DarkriftX | anyone who wants the case in the above link use this coupon: htcg1access |
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| 05:40.33 | gfindtest[1] | hhhi all |
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| 05:40.51 | gfindtest[1] | anone here |
| 05:40.57 | offby1 | nobody here but us zombie processes. |
| 05:41.18 | gfindtest[1] | cool zombies |
| 05:43.53 | gfindster_dev4 | any one trying r2 SDK |
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| 05:54.37 | Disconnect | infobot: fastboot |
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| 05:55.03 | phyburn | what are unlock codes for the G1? |
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| 05:57.22 | offby1 | OPE |
| 05:58.05 | P1ro | i got google checkout but my cc expired and now im only using paypal ! how can i do to get into android market??? |
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| 06:00.48 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: here |
| 06:01.06 | ttuttle | infobot: what is an intern? |
| 06:01.08 | infobot | ttuttle: what are you talking about? |
| 06:01.16 | RyeBrye | infobot: interrn |
| 06:01.18 | ttuttle | infobot: what is a slave? |
| 06:01.18 | infobot | somebody said slave was known as an intern. See also: ttuttle |
| 06:01.23 | ttuttle | :) |
| 06:01.38 | DarkriftX | ttuttle: did you read that article? |
| 06:01.42 | ttuttle | Article? |
| 06:01.42 | RyeBrye | ttuttle: my phone has fastboot, and a picture of a skating android :) |
| 06:01.47 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: nice |
| 06:01.48 | Disconnect | ttuttle: www.gotontheinter.net/node/7 |
| 06:01.51 | RyeBrye | infobot devphones |
| 06:01.51 | infobot | somebody said devphones was a phone with magical powers and will make all your wildest dreams come true. You can read about them here: http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html - in order to buy one, you have to pay a $25 to be in the "developer club" and then you can get into the back room where they keep them behind a curtain of lava. very expensive to ship outside the US, or sporting this: http://tinyurl.com/54sxg2, or ... |
| 06:01.54 | DarkriftX | http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/7 |
| 06:01.59 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 06:02.30 | unix_infidel | lol. |
| 06:02.46 | offby1 | Loll. |
| 06:02.49 | xsdg | infobot: xk? |
| 06:02.49 | infobot | it has been said that xk is 31337 |
| 06:03.00 | offby1 | wow, I didn't know browsers still blinked |
| 06:03.00 | xsdg | cool; it's a blootbot |
| 06:03.57 | RyeBrye | does the default engineering bootloader just have the rainbow + fastboot? the skateboarding android is a nice touch |
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| 06:07.16 | unix_infidel | skateboarding android/ |
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| 06:10.06 | RyeBrye | http://team-yacht-treff.de/fun/07122008062.jpg |
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| 06:11.27 | flaushy | see germans have to sew their androids to have something real in their hands |
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| 06:11.48 | unix_infidel | heh. |
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| 06:12.38 | cmonex | ttuttle here's one pic for you: http://team-yacht-treff.de/fun/07122008062.jpg |
| 06:12.39 | cmonex | =) |
| 06:12.58 | flaushy | cmonex: u are about 2 minutes late ^^ |
| 06:13.21 | cmonex | its ok, i saw the pic before, just wanted to pick on ttuttle |
| 06:14.37 | flaushy | hmm another hour then i have to leave for work :/ |
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| 06:16.05 | Disconnect | updated the article |
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| 06:22.29 | unix_infidel | wonder what RyeBrye's wife will have to say when he bricks his G1 ;-) |
| 06:24.12 | flaushy | yay ... i might geht a kogan before i get a g1 :) |
| 06:24.22 | Disconnect | assuming it exists |
| 06:25.05 | unix_infidel | kogan doesnt seem like much of a deal to me. |
| 06:25.13 | flaushy | we will see |
| 06:25.21 | unix_infidel | especially once we get IMF...*ahem* romain... |
| 06:25.30 | flaushy | uh? |
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| 06:34.44 | bgupta | Hello, hello... Mmmm.... dev boot loader you say? (Man you guys are busy... Don't want to know what truck this fell off.) In all seriousness... Is there any docs out yet for the Android Developer Device? And does anyone know when it will ship? And is this skateboarding Android running on a G1 functionally identical to an ADD 1 (Android Dev Device 1)? |
| 06:35.29 | RyeBrye | bgupta: I know what truck it fell off of... T-mobile accidently shipped it out on a phone that happened to go straight to a hacker (woops) |
| 06:35.45 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel: My phone is now very hard to brick :) |
| 06:35.49 | Disconnect | this is annoying me |
| 06:36.01 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: it's now unsupported. |
| 06:36.03 | Disconnect | trying to do a build of simply fastboot. its really mad. |
| 06:36.21 | unix_infidel | fastboot? |
| 06:36.45 | unix_infidel | ahh. |
| 06:36.46 | DarkriftX | unix_infidel: do you think he cares about "supported" ? |
| 06:36.55 | RyeBrye | Disconnect: fastboot isn't in your sdk build? I know it's in mine and I didn't do anything to get it there |
| 06:37.06 | Disconnect | its seriously not. at least not in the osx sdk. |
| 06:37.06 | unix_infidel | DarkriftX: he cares about having to tell his wife he has to spend 450 bucks on a dev phone ;-) |
| 06:37.16 | JesusFreke | it's not in the windows sdk either |
| 06:37.18 | RyeBrye | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.27 | RyeBrye | AndoidBuild is my disk image for my build |
| 06:37.29 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: thast not sdk, thats source build |
| 06:37.32 | RyeBrye | oh |
| 06:37.33 | RyeBrye | right |
| 06:37.35 | Disconnect | i have it in source build. for linux. |
| 06:37.37 | JesusFreke | lol |
| 06:37.40 | RyeBrye | you want me to just zip that? |
| 06:37.45 | Disconnect | that would rule :) |
| 06:38.17 | RyeBrye | jsut don't hold me to any of that "must provide code" crap for redistributing open source builds ;) |
| 06:38.23 | RyeBrye | get yer own code! ;) |
| 06:38.26 | Disconnect | has only one osx-x86 box and its the mbp. not so great for 4+gig source trees |
| 06:38.27 | JesusFreke | lol |
| 06:38.33 | Disconnect | its apache. you can do whatever you want. |
| 06:38.51 | Disconnect | (apache is bsd. "open cuz we're nice" not "open cuz its open source") |
| 06:39.01 | JesusFreke | lol |
| 06:39.17 | bgupta | RyeBrye: I have a very difficult time believing that story (T-Mobile shipping it to a hacker), however, if that's the story, I will ask no further questions, and just be grateful that it's out there now. |
| 06:39.28 | Disconnect | bgupta: believe what you want |
| 06:39.46 | bgupta | JesusFreke: You running the engineering build now? |
| 06:39.51 | Disconnect | i don't htink anyone is worried about what you believe, actually |
| 06:39.58 | bgupta | or bootloader i should say? |
| 06:39.58 | JesusFreke | bgupta: sorta |
| 06:40.16 | JesusFreke | If I wasn't returing my phone tomorrow.. I would be running it. |
| 06:40.26 | JesusFreke | ordered a dev device though |
| 06:40.35 | JesusFreke | and tomorrow is the last day I can return the G1 |
| 06:40.46 | RyeBrye | bgupta: it doesn't really matter what you believe - that's how it happened. It wasn't ENTIRELY an engineering build - it still checked for signatures - but we fixed that |
| 06:40.47 | JesusFreke | so I've got it all back stock and stuff |
| 06:41.28 | RyeBrye | bgupta: I'm willing to bet that since it happened once, there is a small % out there that have fastboot enabled bootloaders out there |
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| 06:41.44 | RyeBrye | basically, we won the lottery! :) |
| 06:41.47 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: a growing percentage :) |
| 06:41.50 | JesusFreke | lol :) |
| 06:41.54 | bgupta | Well then, congratulations! |
| 06:41.55 | Disconnect | now send me that file. |
| 06:42.00 | RyeBrye | oh, yeah |
| 06:42.09 | RyeBrye | 3.2 mb - just zipped up all of the bin |
| 06:42.13 | Disconnect | rock on :) |
| 06:42.30 | RyeBrye | I would have done the whole host/out but it's around 100+ megs and I don't think any of the other stuff matters much |
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| 06:42.48 | Disconnect | yah most of it is no worth it (dupe from bins, dupe from sdk, etc) |
| 06:43.12 | RyeBrye | it's sending now |
| 06:43.17 | RyeBrye | or waiting to send |
| 06:43.29 | Disconnect | cool |
| 06:43.33 | Disconnect | thanks :) |
| 06:43.35 | Damm | RyeBrye, what's this? |
| 06:43.52 | RyeBrye | that's just the bin tools from the source build for oSX |
| 06:43.53 | Damm | lottery? |
| 06:43.54 | Disconnect | just bins from the full-source build for osx. |
| 06:43.58 | Damm | ah |
| 06:44.16 | RyeBrye | Damm - T-mobile shipped a phone with a non-neutered bootloader straight into the hands of a hacker a month or so ago |
| 06:44.23 | Disconnect | lottery as in tmob has a finite (and presumably small) number of units with fastboot bootloader, and they sent it to the totally wrong person |
| 06:44.25 | bgupta | JesusFreke: Rather than returning your device, might you just auction it off? Pre rc30 devices might start to get scarce soon? |
| 06:44.43 | RyeBrye | cackles |
| 06:45.00 | JesusFreke | thought about it.. |
| 06:45.01 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: that means there are probably more people with that bootlader, he's just the first hacker to get it ;-) |
| 06:45.07 | JesusFreke | not worth the hassle though :) |
| 06:45.12 | bgupta | GOtcha |
| 06:45.23 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel: yes, that's likely the case. I wonder how many though? Hard to tell... but probably a low percentage |
| 06:45.23 | JesusFreke | unless you want to make an offer? :D |
| 06:45.31 | RyeBrye | I'll give you $50 |
| 06:45.34 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 06:45.41 | RyeBrye | but ONLY if you sign it |
| 06:45.44 | JesusFreke | I've got $50. do I hear $100? :D |
| 06:45.45 | RyeBrye | and NOT with testkeys |
| 06:45.50 | bgupta | sure |
| 06:46.02 | JesusFreke | I've $100, do I hear $450? :D |
| 06:46.28 | RyeBrye | JesusFreke: If you had more than 1 day left in the window, you might have an admirer on xda devs that would pay $ for it... |
| 06:46.44 | RyeBrye | so they could say to their friends "Hey, you know that guy who modifies the G1 firmware stuff? guess what... THIS was HIS phone" |
| 06:46.56 | RyeBrye | wait... what am I talking about... people who read xda forums don't have friends :( |
| 06:47.11 | ismarc | they have coworkers, that's close enough, right? |
| 06:47.14 | JesusFreke | lol |
| 06:47.27 | DarkriftX | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.34 | DarkriftX | and i onlyhave to pay him $10/wk to stay my friend |
| 06:47.39 | swetland | I pay good money for those friends. it's not cheap. |
| 06:47.57 | RyeBrye | swetland: you can fire people if they aren't your friend. That's not fair |
| 06:48.10 | RyeBrye | well... I suppose you'd have to find some kind of bogus "cause" |
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| 06:48.20 | DarkriftX | unfriendly conduct |
| 06:49.17 | RyeBrye | My next step tomorrow is to remove that T-Mobile G1 boot image and replace it with a cooler android pic |
| 06:49.29 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 06:49.38 | swetland | fastboot flash splash1 foo.565 is your friend |
| 06:49.40 | DarkriftX | i want an animated version of my site header |
| 06:49.46 | DarkriftX | the robot doing some sort of dance or something lol |
| 06:49.49 | RyeBrye | swetland: you are my hero :) |
| 06:49.59 | RyeBrye | swetland: what format? |
| 06:50.12 | swetland | raw 16bpp rgb565 320x480 |
| 06:50.15 | RyeBrye | btw: fastboot rules. Whoever wrote that deserves a pat on the back |
| 06:50.15 | ismarc | RyeBrye_: Just make it something simple, a couple lines of text that says "The police have been alerted" |
| 06:50.22 | swetland | rye: thank you |
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| 06:50.43 | RyeBrye | It's definitely one of the nicest tools I've seen for working with bootloader-type stuff |
| 06:50.48 | swetland | what *really* rules about it is that we're asking OEMs to support it |
| 06:51.05 | swetland | so if things go well, any android device intended for systems development will be compatible |
| 06:51.12 | RyeBrye | Cool |
| 06:51.13 | JesusFreke | sweet :) |
| 06:51.22 | DarkriftX | this is why i tell eveyrone its tmobile being dicks, not google :) |
| 06:51.23 | swetland | basically everyone tends to want to own the bootloader |
| 06:51.29 | paulproteus | Is it possible to buy the Android developer phone without agreeing to the Developer Distribution Agreement and paying $25 to become a member of the Android Marketplace? |
| 06:51.30 | swetland | since it integrates with their factory process, etc, etc |
| 06:51.30 | RyeBrye | For a second there I thought you were going to say "any android device" without that other clause :) |
| 06:51.47 | Disconnect | ok so nice |
| 06:51.54 | Disconnect | er.. sorry. just "nice" :) |
| 06:52.06 | RyeBrye | paulproteus: I'll let you buy one without that. $650 cash - meet me in a back alley |
| 06:52.16 | swetland | and I'm cool with that. I just ask that people try to support fastboot to make it easy for systems developers (us, others, whoever) to rapidly load/test images, etc |
| 06:52.19 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: those bins work btw :) |
| 06:52.34 | Disconnect | is building a new boot.img with his kernel for fun and profit. or at least for fun. |
| 06:52.46 | RyeBrye | Disconnect: why bother building a boot.img? just use fastboot :) |
| 06:52.47 | swetland | not everyone will, obviously. hell, I'm sure we'll see some people do fully encrypted secure boot paths, etc |
| 06:53.02 | Disconnect | i fed it the wrong file. i should try it again.. |
| 06:53.19 | RyeBrye | swetland: Yeah, that'd be annoying. You should ask that they use small keys for that though ;) |
| 06:53.34 | paulproteus | Features: |
| 06:53.42 | RyeBrye | swetland: "What? who told you that? NOOOOOO... on an embedded device 40 bits it TOTALLY fine. Trust me. What? No - you can't get that in writing!" |
| 06:53.43 | paulproteus | SECURE key storage - max key length, 32 bits |
| 06:54.00 | paulproteus | (-; |
| 06:54.16 | Disconnect | cool. it works much better with zImage than with vmlinuz :) |
| 06:54.32 | swetland | paul: that's pretty fancy. I thought the 5 digit "luggage lock" model was state of the art |
| 06:55.31 | RyeBrye | I think that dev phone thing is really cool... because then you have a way to cordon off the crazies and let them pound away at crazyness - and whatever good comes of it can get ported back to the main stuff |
| 06:55.52 | RyeBrye | oh - and swetland - someone mentioned earlier about stuff from your 2.6.27 being pushed up to the mainline. Is it in the merge window for 2.6.28 ? |
| 06:56.08 | RyeBrye | hasn't been watching the merge windows |
| 06:56.12 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: isn't that mostly how OSS works anyway? esp bsd-licensed |
| 06:56.20 | Disconnect | damn. it booted the old kernel. annoying.. |
| 06:56.29 | swetland | rye: I'm way behind on the kernel stuff right now |
| 06:56.30 | RyeBrye | Disconnect: use fastboot to replace it :) |
| 06:56.33 | paulproteus | In all seriousness, what is the relationship between me paying $25 for Android Market distribution and me wanting a Developer Device? |
| 06:56.39 | swetland | the first couple patches in our .27 tree made it in to .28 |
| 06:57.07 | RyeBrye | That's cool. It doesn't really MATTER when they get merged into the mainline - since I'll just be pulling from your trees anyway |
| 06:57.08 | Disconnect | paulproteus: probably its just to limit it to one per dev. |
| 06:57.25 | paulproteus | http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html links to http://market.android.com/publish , which asks me to pay $25 and sign an agreement. |
| 06:57.38 | paulproteus | I don't want agreements, I just want to turn my money into a phone that I can do what I want with. |
| 06:57.44 | swetland | the program is more aimed at supporting app developers than systems developers |
| 06:57.48 | RyeBrye | infobot: tell paulproteus about dev phones |
| 06:57.54 | swetland | but the devices are useful for both, obviously |
| 06:57.57 | RyeBrye | woops |
| 06:58.10 | RyeBrye | infobot: tell paulproteous about devphones |
| 06:58.22 | paulproteus | If I stop by Building 44 can I just grab one for $399 or something? (-; |
| 06:58.32 | swetland | the agreement, as far as I understand, only governs use of the market, and doesn't impact what you can do with the hardware. Yes, I know it's annoying. |
| 06:58.41 | RyeBrye | Only if you fly yourself in with a self piloting helicopter |
| 06:59.02 | ismarc | "Here, have a free cookie!" "but I don't like oatmeal, can't I have chocolate chip?" |
| 06:59.03 | Disconnect | yaaay reboot loop. |
| 07:00.02 | swetland | disconnect: the model I suggest using for kernel development (once one has a device with a fastboot capable bootloader) is to fastboot erase boot, fastboot erase recovery -- the device will stop at the color bars on boot and wait and you can fastboot boot ... to download and boot from ram |
| 07:00.29 | RyeBrye | swetland: It appears you ahve usb network tethering working already? http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/msm.git;a=blob;f=drivers/usb/function/ether.c;h=f31032e9ee0040cbb5b87d31670320526ae9cbf0;hb=9e460ab96cee54e56fd1c40732d5d99a8af418c8 ? |
| 07:00.50 | swetland | yup. it's a little complicated to enable it |
| 07:00.54 | Disconnect | swetland: cool :) |
| 07:01.16 | morrildl | note that actually using tethering may violate the terms of service with your service provider |
| 07:01.18 | swetland | you need to either modify the desktop driver to match the device vid/pid or change the device vid/pid to one the driver knows about |
| 07:01.27 | morrildl | there, legal obligation fulfilled. :) |
| 07:01.29 | RyeBrye | morrildl: I would really only use it to tether wifi |
| 07:01.33 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 07:01.34 | Disconnect | morrildl: tmob has publically stated they aren't worried about it |
| 07:01.51 | morrildl | I said "may" ;) |
| 07:02.15 | swetland | tmo did the rate limit after cap thing, so I assume that was their solution for "omg users are hosting MMORPG servers on their phones" "problem" |
| 07:02.18 | RyeBrye | Ok... My android-hapiness thermometer is moving up pretty high now. |
| 07:02.31 | morrildl | didn't realize that was a thermal thing |
| 07:02.35 | RyeBrye | swetland: or that big fish thing |
| 07:02.55 | paulproteus | swetland, Is there a limit of one Developer Device per person, as suggested by Disconnect? |
| 07:03.07 | swetland | paul: that is my understanding |
| 07:03.15 | morrildl | Does Apple have an IRC channel for iPhone? |
| 07:03.20 | morrildl | I wonder what the vibe is on that |
| 07:03.28 | RyeBrye | Ha ha haha ha |
| 07:03.30 | morrildl | paulproteus: for now, yes |
| 07:03.30 | RyeBrye | Apple... |
| 07:03.32 | RyeBrye | talking to people? |
| 07:03.33 | Disconnect | swetland: hmm. i think i'm missing a step. fastboot boot kernel (original htc one) or mine both bring me back to fastboot. |
| 07:03.36 | swetland | morrildl: smug superiority? ^^ |
| 07:03.44 | paulproteus | That's... interesting. |
| 07:03.45 | morrildl | swetland: genuine curiosity |
| 07:03.49 | paulproteus | I guess if I break mine, I'm SOL then. |
| 07:04.00 | RyeBrye | morrildl: The only good iphone channel is for hacking them |
| 07:04.06 | Disconnect | yesterday i'd be very upset about this. today its not so bad :) |
| 07:04.19 | RyeBrye | morrildl: these are the same people who make you sign NDAs just to use their dev crap |
| 07:04.26 | swetland | disconnect: fastboot boot zimage ramdisk.img |
| 07:04.37 | Disconnect | ah. right. cuz i'm a moron. :) thanks |
| 07:04.47 | swetland | or fastboot boot boot.img (if you have a fully assembled one) |
| 07:05.08 | swetland | but fastboot will happily build a boot.img on the fly, since I'm too lazy to run mkbootimg by hand first ^^ |
| 07:05.21 | Adamant | RyeBrye: there are iPhone channels on freenode, they don't involve jailbreaking |
| 07:05.22 | RyeBrye | You'd never have someone like swetland giving help on an iPhone channel - or describing his laziness on that channel |
| 07:05.32 | RyeBrye | probably because swetland doesn't work for apple though |
| 07:05.34 | bgupta | RyeBrye: Anyone documenting the fastboot stuff in a wiki yet? |
| 07:05.35 | Adamant | you're right about that |
| 07:05.49 | morrildl | laziness is one of the cardinal virtues of an engineer |
| 07:05.53 | morrildl | who was it who said that? |
| 07:06.00 | morrildl | Larry Wall? |
| 07:06.00 | swetland | larry wall |
| 07:06.04 | morrildl | right |
| 07:06.08 | Adamant | Apple employees can't say shit to the public without it going through someone higher up |
| 07:06.21 | RyeBrye | yeah, that would be annoying |
| 07:06.50 | Disconnect | i think i'm gonna publish a cheatsheet before bed tonight |
| 07:07.15 | swetland | what you guys *really* want for kernel hacking is the Y cable that breaks out UART3 |
| 07:07.25 | swetland | is trying to get those made available for purchase too |
| 07:07.30 | RyeBrye | Oooh :) |
| 07:07.36 | swetland | everything takes longer than I like |
| 07:07.48 | bgupta | Disconnect: Thanks... |
| 07:07.51 | RyeBrye | are there diagrams somewhere? what pins are needed? |
| 07:07.58 | RyeBrye | just bought a REALLY nice soldering iron :) |
| 07:08.03 | swetland | http://frotz.net/misc/debugcable.jpg |
| 07:08.03 | Disconnect | heh sweet |
| 07:08.17 | morrildl | swetland, RyeBrye: yeah, publishing a pinout diagram would be a good first step :) |
| 07:08.21 | Disconnect | ok but we're gonna need more detail :) |
| 07:08.31 | swetland | I actually don't have pinouts for the funky connector handy, but I can see if I can dig one up next week |
| 07:08.41 | chuck | really wants to try the G1 :'( |
| 07:08.43 | RyeBrye | cool. That's fine. I dont' really have time to burn my fingers righ tnow |
| 07:08.47 | chuck | I need to find a T-Mobile store around here |
| 07:08.54 | swetland | the cables are totally sweet though (one side is USB, the other is USB<->serial adapter), and I'd like to have those available to people |
| 07:09.04 | morrildl | chuck: http://locator.t-mobile.com/Locator.aspx |
| 07:09.09 | Disconnect | nice. kernel loaded, wifi and phone both lit up |
| 07:09.35 | RyeBrye | swetland: Hmm... That's interesting - I wonder if those things would interface with the Serial0 on the locked bootloader? |
| 07:09.48 | swetland | rye: I'm pretty sure it's disabled |
| 07:09.49 | Adamant | swetland: do you ever sleep, or do you just have a developer-type sleep pattern |
| 07:09.49 | RyeBrye | doesn't really care though |
| 07:09.59 | bgupta | swetland: You guys planning on publishing any hardware docs for the ADD1, or r we gonna have to piece it together? |
| 07:10.15 | swetland | adamant: I do sleep. but yeah, I kinda free-wheel some weeks and am currently running somewhat inverted |
| 07:10.21 | chuck | great. the closest retailers are target, which definitely won't have working phones. |
| 07:10.52 | Adamant | swetland: fair enough, I just slept for 5 hours and ended up waking up in the middle of the night |
| 07:11.03 | swetland | bgupta: schematics, etc, are htc's property and we can't really publish that. the kernel does have rigging for just about all the hw |
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| 07:11.36 | bgupta | Cool.. |
| 07:11.49 | Adamant | how is Google with regards to accomodating the developer sleep stuff? |
| 07:12.02 | swetland | depends on your group, I'm sure |
| 07:12.05 | Adamant | ah |
| 07:12.09 | Adamant | so it's all local |
| 07:12.13 | chuck | the hell.. it says there's one in the eden prairie mall.. I'll have to look a litter closer next time I visit there, then.. |
| 07:12.17 | bgupta | I heard they get gourmet food in lieu of sleep... |
| 07:12.30 | Disconnect | damnit. i broke bluetooth. |
| 07:12.30 | swetland | overall, at least in MV, things are pretty flexible |
| 07:12.40 | RyeBrye | All good dev teams I've worked for have been extremely loose for schedules... but then again... I've never worked at a gigantic publicly traded company |
| 07:12.43 | Adamant | gourmet espresso brewed with Red Bull |
| 07:12.48 | swetland | I work too much, so they're not picky about exactly *when* I work too much ^^ |
| 07:12.58 | Adamant | swetland: that's all I'm looking for |
| 07:13.06 | RyeBrye | Yeah, you get to pick which 80 hours of the week you work :) |
| 07:13.25 | swetland | rye: more or less |
| 07:13.27 | Disconnect | was reading jwz's netscape tales not long ago |
| 07:13.35 | DarkriftX | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:13.38 | Adamant | I understand accomodation has to be made for things like group meetings and such |
| 07:13.40 | swetland | and sometimes they ship me to taiwan for a couple weeks to fight with power management issues or whatnot |
| 07:13.40 | DarkriftX | not like that leaves much choice for you though |
| 07:13.53 | swetland | which actually isn't too bad. the htc team is great and I really enjoy working with those guys |
| 07:14.04 | Adamant | but I honestly end up being more productive if I work 12 to 9 or so |
| 07:16.01 | Disconnect | http://www.jwz.org/gruntle/nscpdorm.html start at 10 october |
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| 07:16.22 | swetland | I try not to sleep at the office any more |
| 07:16.37 | swetland | going home and getting a good night's (morning's) sleep in your own bed is so worth it |
| 07:17.00 | paulproteus | swetland, If I may ask, where's home? |
| 07:17.05 | paulproteus | is at Noisebridge in San Francisco right now |
| 07:17.16 | paulproteus | And let me apologize again if I'm being too annoying. |
| 07:18.35 | swetland | mountain view |
| 07:18.42 | ttuttle | swetland: greetings |
| 07:18.55 | paulproteus | That's easy enough to get home then (-: |
| 07:18.58 | swetland | about a mile or two from downtown, conveniently close to google galactic hq |
| 07:19.07 | swetland | yeah, that does help |
| 07:19.16 | paulproteus | "Googtown," as my friend Red once said. |
| 07:19.25 | RyeBrye | swetland: you live a mile or two from Google headquarters? |
| 07:19.34 | swetland | mile or two from downtown mv |
| 07:19.38 | RyeBrye | Oh, ok |
| 07:19.39 | swetland | about 5 miles from the office |
| 07:20.04 | swetland | I actually moved their before android was bought by google (back when I worked at danger) |
| 07:20.15 | swetland | so the acquisition cut my commute in half! |
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| 07:20.21 | RyeBrye | cool |
| 07:20.22 | paulproteus | (-: |
| 07:20.42 | swetland | I complain about my commute only so that I can get the death stare from the city dwellers |
| 07:21.04 | morrildl | swetland: I call bullshit :) |
| 07:21.06 | swetland | "traffic on the 101/shoreline ramp was terrible today, it took me almost 12 minutes to get to work" |
| 07:21.22 | morrildl | We knew what we were getting into when we decided to live in the city :) |
| 07:21.39 | morrildl | I disown any of my city-dwelling colleagues who complain about the commute |
| 07:21.58 | ttuttle | swetland, morrildl: good morning :) |
| 07:22.02 | swetland | morrildl: nonetheless, griping about a 10 minute drive is a good way to get some grumbling from you folks with your 45-70 minute commutes |
| 07:22.05 | swetland | heya! |
| 07:22.22 | morrildl | well it's a good way to get a beatdown I guess ;) |
| 07:22.29 | morrildl | ttuttle: hello, and good night :) |
| 07:22.32 | morrildl | bedtime for me |
| 07:22.42 | ttuttle | morrildl: night! |
| 07:22.48 | RyeBrye | I telecommute all but one or two days a month - so my commute is short |
| 07:25.17 | RyeBrye | does photoshop output raw 16bpp rgb565 320x480 ? |
| 07:25.43 | swetland | rye: no clue. I usually save raw rgb888 from the gimp. then use the commandline thing in the sources to convert to 565 |
| 07:25.58 | RyeBrye | ah, cool. I'm sure it can do raw rgb888 |
| 07:26.40 | RyeBrye | swetland - maybe I'll write a patch for your fastboot to take more image formats for that :) (depends on how much I use it and how lazy I get) |
| 07:26.43 | Disconnect | night all! |
| 07:26.52 | paulproteus | Night Dialekt! |
| 07:27.02 | paulproteus | Er, Disconnect! |
| 07:27.06 | flaushy | morning |
| 07:27.41 | Disconnect | ok real quick fastboot cheat-sheet on my site |
| 07:28.09 | swetland | see also: fastboot help |
| 07:28.16 | swetland | it has built in documentation! ^^ |
| 07:29.08 | RyeBrye | grumbles about PS CS4 not having an SVG importer |
| 07:29.42 | swetland | dis: url? |
| 07:29.50 | Disconnect | swetland: www.gotontheinter.net |
| 07:29.58 | swetland | cute |
| 07:30.33 | swetland | note that fastboot does not work with update.zip that recovery likes |
| 07:30.34 | Disconnect | ok really to bed now. night all! :) |
| 07:30.45 | Disconnect | ah ok. i'll pull that section then |
| 07:30.46 | swetland | fastboot update.zip files contain raw partition images |
| 07:31.03 | RyeBrye | Oh, so not t-mobile-style update.zips? |
| 07:31.11 | swetland | you *can* reflash the whole device that way, but it's not the same as a recovery/ota update |
| 07:31.53 | RyeBrye | so if you have an update.zip that just has system.img in the zip with no manifest or whatnot it will apply it? |
| 07:31.53 | swetland | the system.img, boot.img, etc that the build generates go into them |
| 07:31.53 | RyeBrye | cool |
| 07:31.53 | swetland | there's a build target to generate a suitable update.zip, but I forget what it is |
| 07:31.55 | Disconnect | nice. someone leave a comment to remind me to add that in the morning. but right now its bedtime and a half :) |
| 07:32.20 | RyeBrye | Disconnect: you finally seem happy about android :) |
| 07:32.42 | Disconnect | i'm finally in a position to fix some of the things that i think are broken or dumb.. |
| 07:32.44 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 07:32.49 | swetland | ahahah |
| 07:33.02 | Disconnect | not all (at least until the internal/external trees get better synced) but some |
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| 07:33.15 | swetland | disconnect: should be some good news for ya there soon |
| 07:33.41 | Disconnect | yah i've been hearing that its on track for this quarter still (ie next couple weeks) |
| 07:33.49 | swetland | yup |
| 07:33.56 | Disconnect | :) |
| 07:34.29 | Disconnect | and hitachi has already done the biggest "well that was dumb" project - selinux+android :) |
| 07:34.37 | Disconnect | but i'm really really gone now.. |
| 07:35.23 | swetland | what, seriously? url! |
| 07:36.05 | bgupta | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2yWDvcWu6I |
| 07:36.51 | swetland | crazy! |
| 07:38.25 | DarkriftX | wow, virus scans for linux |
| 07:43.09 | RyeBrye | Yeah, that's strange |
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| 07:44.21 | unix_infidel | well, not virus scans at all. |
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| 07:50.17 | JesusFreke | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=3008163&postcount=19 |
| 07:50.18 | JesusFreke | :p |
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| 07:51.18 | bgupta | Any Mac users have any input on getting an alternate filessytem up for Android development? (MY main HDD is formatted HFS+, and kernel compiling requires a case sensitive filesystem) Thinking to format a mkfile block device as ffs.. but that seems suboptimal.. other option is to use NFS I suppose. Mmmm. final option is to break out a USB drive and reformat it. What have others done? |
| 07:51.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | use linux :) |
| 07:52.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | I pretty much don't use my mac for anything anymore |
| 07:52.12 | JesusFreke | I run windows, so I just use an ubuntu virtual machine for android development |
| 07:52.23 | JesusFreke | vmware ftw |
| 07:52.36 | michaelnovakjr__ | my lack of use on my mac is mostly due to apple annoying the hell out of me lately |
| 07:53.18 | bgupta | Yeah well.. I could always through up a VM in fusion... just thought I'd try building on a Mac, since it is supported. |
| 07:53.31 | bgupta | (It's a Hackintosh if that makes you feel any better) |
| 07:54.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | so you are running mac a on pc? |
| 07:54.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | wow.. on a pc... not a on pc |
| 07:54.44 | unix_infidel | decided to buy a G1 instead of building a hackintosh. |
| 07:55.01 | bgupta | I generally use WIndows or Mac on the desktop and Linux/Solaris on the server... Yeah... it's a quad core Xeon, I build for playing with Xen.. but when my main PC died, I decided to try out Mac OS X. |
| 07:55.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | thinks unix_infidel made a wise choice |
| 07:55.23 | unix_infidel | though, i might regret it in a few weeks. |
| 07:55.38 | unix_infidel | thinks a new awesome android devices comes out january 09 |
| 07:55.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | bgupta: how's that run? is it buggy? have you tried xcode? |
| 07:55.58 | bgupta | And I dont regret it... (There's a few commercial apps I need for work that aren't really available on Linux, and don't run well in a VM. |
| 07:56.33 | bgupta | Only using XCode to get macports running... |
| 07:56.39 | bgupta | but otherwise it's good |
| 07:56.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | cool |
| 07:56.51 | bgupta | Oh wait main negative feedback.. |
| 07:57.16 | bgupta | I couldn't get to PCIX videocards working... So I am limited to 2 24" monitors.. |
| 07:57.27 | bgupta | (Was greedy and wanted a third |
| 07:57.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | damn that must suck |
| 07:57.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 07:57.44 | bgupta | THe other issue is that you have to be careful when doing the software updates... |
| 07:57.46 | swetland | this is the best post evar |
| 07:57.47 | swetland | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=455406 |
| 07:57.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | only 2 24", i would have thrown it out |
| 07:58.04 | swetland | "i have a excalibur and have flashed android so i know that google just ripped of gentoo and disabled almost everything that would be good from a linux distro." |
| 07:58.08 | swetland | our secret is out! |
| 07:58.11 | JesusFreke | rofl swet. I saw that earlier today and thought the same thing |
| 07:58.12 | bgupta | The ones that touch the kernel in particular |
| 07:58.18 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 07:59.09 | swetland | I hadn't looked at xdaforums in a while. I obviously have been missing all the fun |
| 07:59.15 | bgupta | So when major updates come out you need to wait till someone gets a manual update procedure tested and working.. (Or if it's not your main machine, you can try hacking it yourself) |
| 08:00.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | swetland: there's a lot of people like that |
| 08:00.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | when you think you've heard it all, someone comes along and surprises you :) |
| 08:00.34 | swetland | missing the fun or posting frothy tinfoil-hat rambling stuff? |
| 08:00.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | the rambling can get annoying, i usually enjoy the first post |
| 08:01.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'd say the iPhone auto attach nude photos and send to a woman bug was the best |
| 08:01.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | and the follow ups were even better |
| 08:01.35 | swetland | that was amusing |
| 08:02.22 | swetland | we did have a "phone sent random pictures to people" bug during development, that was more of a "keyguard insufficiently aggressive to prevent email sending from ones pants" bug |
| 08:02.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 08:02.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | those are fun |
| 08:02.56 | bgupta | RyeBrye: You playing with fastboot yet? |
| 08:03.00 | RyeBrye | Yeah http://www.ryebrye.com/images/android_boot_image.jpg |
| 08:03.05 | RyeBrye | that's going to be my new boot spash |
| 08:03.08 | RyeBrye | err splash |
| 08:03.21 | RyeBrye | (not the jpg version) |
| 08:03.25 | JesusFreke | nice rye :) |
| 08:03.32 | JesusFreke | looks tasty |
| 08:03.36 | bgupta | Nice... |
| 08:04.08 | JesusFreke | rye, can you send me the RGB565 or whatever format it is? |
| 08:04.21 | RyeBrye | JesusFreke: when I get it done, I'll post it |
| 08:04.24 | JesusFreke | k |
| 08:04.27 | JesusFreke | sounds good |
| 08:04.33 | RyeBrye | I'm working on figuring out how to build an RGB565 :) |
| 08:04.40 | JesusFreke | *nod* :) |
| 08:04.44 | swetland | can you save to rgb888? |
| 08:05.15 | bgupta | JesusFreke: You have an image with fastboot built yet? OR do I have to get this compiling filesystem stuff sorted out to compile and play with fastboot? |
| 08:05.21 | swetland | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/build.git;a=tree;f=tools/rgb2565;h=aa8e6dd23f17887e39ffd731b42c0eb6317bf867;hb=master |
| 08:05.37 | RyeBrye | swetland: I thought photoshop could, but apparently not. I can save to bmp - but I am downloading graphicconverter that should do rgb888 |
| 08:06.03 | swetland | recent gimp will definitely let you save as "raw" and choose non-alpha (888) format |
| 08:06.06 | RyeBrye | I have the tools built, so once I get an rgb888 I should be able to use the rgb25626 tool |
| 08:06.07 | JesusFreke | bgupta what do you mean an image? |
| 08:06.34 | JesusFreke | you mean a fastboot binary? |
| 08:06.39 | bgupta | update.zip with fastboot binary |
| 08:06.59 | RyeBrye | bgupta: Disconnect posted the current one on his site |
| 08:06.59 | JesusFreke | fastboot is a binary that runs on your computer |
| 08:07.08 | bgupta | ah... |
| 08:07.13 | JesusFreke | it connects to the engineering bootloader on the phone |
| 08:07.15 | swetland | well fastboot is a bunch of things |
| 08:07.19 | RyeBrye | bgupta: There will be another version released wiht a few more patches |
| 08:07.19 | swetland | it's also the wire protocl |
| 08:07.27 | swetland | and the code in the bootloader |
| 08:07.38 | JesusFreke | and a cookie |
| 08:07.43 | swetland | likes to keep it simple (confusing?) by calling all the parts the same thing |
| 08:07.46 | JesusFreke | names his cookie fastboot |
| 08:07.53 | swetland | it is both a dessert topping and a floor wax |
| 08:08.00 | RyeBrye | names his shoes fastboots |
| 08:08.03 | bgupta | got yah... so I have to sort out this HFS+ issue |
| 08:08.20 | bgupta | needed to do it anyway... |
| 08:08.23 | mmitchel | HFS+ issue; i set up a sparsebundle image so i didnt have to repartition. |
| 08:08.25 | RyeBrye | oh, bgupta - you want me to dcc you bins of the built tools? |
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| 08:09.05 | bgupta | Nah, I need to get compiling working... might as well push through and get it done tonight.. |
| 08:09.21 | mmitchel | having issues with javadoc tonight blowing up. |
| 08:09.22 | bgupta | It is the weekend afterall |
| 08:09.54 | bgupta | RyeBrye: ImageMagick should be able to do the conversion for you.. |
| 08:10.22 | bgupta | RyeBrye: ImageMagick is in macports |
| 08:11.40 | RyeBrye | bgupta: I'll trade you - you figure out the command to get imagemagick to convert a BMP to an RGB888 or RGB565 I'll DCC you the bins from the source build :) |
| 08:12.06 | bgupta | hehe.. I'll take a look.. |
| 08:12.16 | bgupta | Installing ImageMagick now |
| 08:13.42 | bgupta | mmitchel: How big an image you use? I'm thinking 2GB should be good? |
| 08:14.07 | mmitchel | it says you need 6G for everything to build... i used 8G |
| 08:14.17 | swetland | 6G has a good amount of padding |
| 08:14.27 | swetland | the full download/checkout is ~2GB |
| 08:14.28 | bgupta | kk, thx |
| 08:14.31 | mmitchel | sparse bundle; ill let the OS figure it out. |
| 08:14.35 | swetland | and a full build will burn about 2GB more |
| 08:14.47 | RyeBrye | swetland: can you dcc it to me at RyeBrye_ ? that client has better DCC |
| 08:14.53 | mmitchel | im blowing up on the error 41 at javalib.jar |
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| 08:16.44 | kennyyu | hi i'm downloading by ``repo sync'' smoothly in a nearby Starbucks.. :) |
| 08:17.07 | kennyyu | but just curious if it's possible to break it in the middle (by ctrol-break) because it seems it's going to take long.. |
| 08:17.27 | kennyyu | repo-sync is intelligent enough to sync in the middle? |
| 08:18.09 | kennyyu | well i just cannot occupy the seat for so long .. :) |
| 08:18.19 | sparkle | BogoMIPS : 527.15 |
| 08:18.21 | sparkle | twiddles |
| 08:18.33 | RyeBrye | Cool :) |
| 08:18.40 | RyeBrye | sparkle: what cpu freq? |
| 08:18.44 | sparkle | 528mhz |
| 08:18.54 | sparkle | x4 multiplier, 1.32v? |
| 08:19.07 | sparkle | bbiab |
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| 08:19.47 | RyeBrye | I know it's pretty much apples to oranges... but my desktop CPU vCore is only 1.29 I think - kind of nuts my phone would be on 1.32 |
| 08:20.17 | gfindster | anyone has downloaded sdk release 2 |
| 08:21.33 | bgupta | mmitchel: Is there an easy way to change the default mount point for a sparse bundle? Or did you just go with the default /Volumes/whatever?? (I used the disk utility to create it) If there is no easy way I'll just through in a symlink. |
| 08:21.42 | bgupta | s/through/throw/ |
| 08:21.52 | mmitchel | bgupta: just using /Volume/android.. |
| 08:22.29 | mmitchel | its all relative; so you can symlink it if you want. no |
| 08:22.33 | mmitchel | *np |
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| 08:28.12 | bgupta | RyeBrye, can you send me the link to your image again? |
| 08:28.24 | bgupta | nvm found it |
| 08:28.27 | RyeBrye | yeah, I'll put up the bmg |
| 08:28.38 | RyeBrye | err bmp |
| 08:28.40 | kennyyu | hi, repo sync can be resumed in the middle? |
| 08:28.52 | bgupta | RyeBrye send me the source.. |
| 08:29.22 | bgupta | I got ImageMagick ready to go.. looks straight forward enough |
| 08:29.53 | RyeBrye | ok. http://www.ryebrye.com/images/android_boot_image.bmp is the uncompressed version |
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| 08:30.05 | RyeBrye | http://www.ryebrye.com/images/android_boot_image.psd is the cs4 psd file |
| 08:30.26 | unix_infidel | heh, much better than the current ;-) |
| 08:31.45 | unix_infidel | wishes bloomberg would put out an app for Android. |
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| 08:32.44 | RyeBrye | swetland: in GIMP when you export, do you use scalar or planar output? |
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| 08:35.23 | swetland | standard |
| 08:36.32 | RyeBrye | and... rgb2565 input output is the way it works? |
| 08:36.52 | swetland | it's a filter, so rgb2565 < foo.888 > foo.565 |
| 08:37.01 | RyeBrye | ah, ok. that explains it :) |
| 08:37.10 | RyeBrye | shoudl have looked at source, instead of bothering the master :) |
| 08:37.34 | swetland | if I've got real work to do, I don't tend to hang out on irc |
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| 08:43.28 | ismarc | man, I've gone done 46 builds of the email app today trying to track down obscure issues with my exchange stuff |
| 08:43.36 | ismarc | I think it's time to go to bed |
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| 08:51.24 | RyeBrye | I built a new one with a black background |
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| 08:52.03 | mypapit | woot woot |
| 08:52.06 | RyeBrye | I need to fix the dithering bit - but android_boot_black.rgb565 |
| 08:52.24 | RyeBrye | http://ryebrye.com/images/android_boot_black.rgb565 |
| 08:57.12 | RyeBrye | Ok, I fixed it - it's now dithered a bit better |
| 08:57.19 | RyeBrye | well.. no dithering, but it looks better |
| 08:57.21 | RyeBrye | (same URL) |
| 08:57.27 | bgupta | RyeBrye: Is that Raw or BMP? |
| 08:57.44 | RyeBrye | bgupta: that's the rgb565 format needed to flash onto fastboot |
| 08:57.48 | RyeBrye | I used GIMP |
| 08:57.53 | RyeBrye | to spit out RAW |
| 08:58.03 | bgupta | kk makes sense... |
| 08:58.31 | RyeBrye | I think I'm going to flash my contact info on that screen :) |
| 08:58.38 | RyeBrye | Like "Stolen from: " ;) |
| 08:58.52 | RyeBrye | bgupta: did you flash your bootloader yet to enable fastboot? |
| 08:59.09 | bgupta | still working on the imagemagick research... got it out to 8 bit RGB raw.. need to make that 16 bit, and see what the default 16 bit type is.. |
| 08:59.10 | RyeBrye | if you did, you can do fastboot flash splash1 android_boot_black.rgb565 and then fastboot reboot and you'll see it |
| 08:59.24 | RyeBrye | Yeah, I realized I sent you an 8bit BMP |
| 08:59.31 | bgupta | RyeBrye: I have flashed with new bootloader |
| 08:59.40 | RyeBrye | you can flash that image I sent you if you want |
| 08:59.46 | RyeBrye | it's at least better than the T-mobile G1 image |
| 09:00.01 | bgupta | ok... gonna try.. |
| 09:00.11 | RyeBrye | since I basically did nothing, I'll just hereby bequeath it as CCC "Do whatever the hell you want" license |
| 09:00.14 | JesusFreke | is this for the G1 screen, or the android screen, when the phone is booting? |
| 09:00.23 | RyeBrye | JesusFreke: the T-mobile G1 screen |
| 09:00.27 | JesusFreke | ah, cool |
| 09:00.51 | bgupta | mmm... so I just use a USB cable? Do i have to do anything funky on the phone? IE: Turn on USB debugging? |
| 09:00.58 | RyeBrye | JesusFreke: You should totally flash some goatse on your boot image before returning that phone :) |
| 09:01.03 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 09:01.17 | RyeBrye | bgupta: just the USB - nope... reboot by holding down power + camera from a powered-off state |
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| 09:01.25 | RyeBrye | then wehn you get to the skateboard screen, hit the back button |
| 09:01.29 | RyeBrye | swetland: thanks for the help |
| 09:01.57 | JesusFreke | rofl rye :D |
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| 09:02.10 | JesusFreke | that would be hilarious |
| 09:02.20 | JesusFreke | especially if they tried booting it up in the store |
| 09:02.28 | RyeBrye | JesusFreke: Yes, you can be like "Umm... this phone offends me" |
| 09:02.28 | JesusFreke | just to make sure it was working |
| 09:02.35 | swetland | I normally just hold BACK while powering up and let go of it once the bl displays "FASTBOOT" |
| 09:03.15 | RyeBrye | swetland - the final product is here: http://ryebrye.com/images/android_boot_black.rgb565 it's got a black background... I will put back in the other background and try that one |
| 09:03.33 | RyeBrye | although maybe you can't read rgb565 |
| 09:04.12 | RyeBrye | http://ryebrye.com/images/android_boot_black.bmp is up now too so you dont' have to flash your phone with it |
| 09:04.32 | bgupta | ryebrye: what is the image variable for fastboot? |
| 09:04.37 | RyeBrye | http://ryebrye.com/images/android_boot_image_black.bmp |
| 09:04.42 | bgupta | (I know it's in this IRC log) |
| 09:04.46 | bgupta | :) |
| 09:04.51 | RyeBrye | fastboot flash splash1 android_boot_black.rgb565 |
| 09:05.01 | RyeBrye | it flashes the splash1 partition with the image data |
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| 09:06.20 | bgupta | neat... we really need to start documenting this somewhere.. BTW - it worked. |
| 09:06.38 | RyeBrye | bgupta: you like :) |
| 09:06.56 | RyeBrye | dream_kill: Some people didn't believe about your amazing luck with the phone :) |
| 09:06.57 | bgupta | Yes.. I like... fastboot is very cool.. wondering if there is a way to list partitions |
| 09:07.22 | swetland | there is not |
| 09:07.44 | geist | yeah, but fastboot 2 will be so much more awesome that fastboot, right swetland? |
| 09:07.51 | geist | fastboot ][ |
| 09:07.59 | swetland | geist: I'm happy with the first one, really |
| 09:08.03 | geist | :( |
| 09:08.18 | swetland | it does what it needs to do, with as little extra crap as possible |
| 09:08.28 | geist | but the extra crap is the spice of life |
| 09:08.41 | geist | is all about useless extra crap |
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| 09:10.28 | Lieu10ant | hey |
| 09:10.44 | ttuttle | Lieu10ant: greetings |
| 09:10.51 | Lieu10ant | for hdtv's, what does DLNA mean? |
| 09:10.52 | RyeBrye | keeps rebooting his phone |
| 09:11.15 | RyeBrye | Isn't it Sony's marketing bit? |
| 09:11.15 | ttuttle | Lieu10ant: that has *nothing* to do with Android. |
| 09:11.22 | ttuttle | Lieu10ant: Why are you asking it here? |
| 09:11.29 | Lieu10ant | ryebrye, does ur multitouch app need root? |
| 09:11.36 | RyeBrye | Lieu10ant: yeah |
| 09:11.54 | Lieu10ant | i was asking it here cause i thought maybe one of you had a hdtv, guess not. |
| 09:12.06 | RyeBrye | #mythtv it's slightly more on topic |
| 09:12.24 | Lieu10ant | but ryebrye, is there an apk of ur app online? |
| 09:12.26 | ttuttle | I don't. ##hardware is the closest I can think of.. oh, or #mythtv. |
| 09:12.42 | ttuttle | Lieu10ant: Google is probably your best bet. |
| 09:13.06 | RyeBrye | Lieu10ant: Yeah, http://www.ryebrye.com/blog/2008/11/30/g1-multitouch-proof-of-concept-soure-code-posted/ I think there is an apk in that zip |
| 09:13.20 | flaushy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:13.24 | flaushy | ups |
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| 09:13.32 | flaushy | dont fall asleep on mouse -.- |
| 09:13.34 | RyeBrye | Lieu10ant: you have to reflash with a custom kernel, and follow the busybox mknod steps to get the dev device created so the app can get the data |
| 09:13.41 | Lieu10ant | whoops irc force closed :( |
| 09:14.09 | Lieu10ant | uh yeah, thats too complicated lol. |
| 09:17.49 | RyeBrye | Lieu10ant: yeah, it's just a proof of concept now... pretty rough |
| 09:19.28 | RyeBrye | JesusFreke: or even slightly stranger than goatse - put a white Apple logo on there as the boot screen before you bring it back :) |
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| 09:27.54 | RyeBrye | ok... I really need to stop rebooting my phone now :) |
| 09:28.01 | bgupta | lol |
| 09:28.14 | RyeBrye | i just love seeing something other than T-Mobile G1 |
| 09:28.36 | bgupta | yeah... it's cool.. Are you changing the image each time? |
| 09:28.43 | RyeBrye | no, just that same one :) |
| 09:28.50 | RyeBrye | I will probably build a few more images tomorrow |
| 09:29.15 | RyeBrye | getting an imagemagick command to convert to rgb 888 raw would be good |
| 09:29.37 | RyeBrye | it wouldn't be too hard to make a little gui app to handle changing the boot screen |
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| 09:30.33 | bgupta | k.. |
| 09:31.16 | bgupta | I had kinda stopped working on that since you were using GIMP... I will keep going.. You want the command to convert from which source format? |
| 09:32.11 | bgupta | (Was focusing on getting my build env. up and running |
| 09:35.39 | bgupta | Just curious roughly how long is it taking you to run make, and what HW are you running it on? |
| 09:40.25 | alexissoft | hi :) |
| 09:41.09 | alexissoft | i have a last question : is android use http or imap for gmail ? |
| 09:41.59 | alexissoft | (my provider in france filters imap access) |
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| 09:43.52 | Mony | alexissoft, please tell the name of the provider. I'm not living in France, but who knows the future :D |
| 09:44.18 | bgupta | The Gmail dev prolly doesn't hang out here.. and likely wouldn't be at liberty to discuss, but I'd bet it's not IMAP. |
| 09:44.34 | bgupta | (Gmail is not part of the OSS stack) |
| 09:44.43 | alexissoft | Mony: orange :) |
| 09:45.01 | alexissoft | budwaa: ok thanks that's all i wanted to know |
| 09:46.19 | bgupta | RyeBrye: It seems the PSD you sent me is 8-bit. Does that seem to ring a bell? Can you send me a 16 bit one? |
| 09:46.20 | alexissoft | Mony: they don't currently filter imap access, you have 10MB quota for mail, and unlimited for everything else (on the same gprs ap : they're only looking at the tcp port) |
| 09:46.37 | alexissoft | but for push mail, it can be very annoying :) |
| 09:48.46 | alexissoft | s/currently/actually/ |
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| 09:53.51 | kennyyu | hi there... my repo sync connect has freezed for quite a while... if i ctrl-break it now, can i resume it somewhere in the middle? |
| 09:53.59 | kennyyu | oh... resume itself now... |
| 09:54.28 | kennyyu | it's downloaded 501mb... how many do i still need to download? |
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| 10:03.55 | gfindster_dev1 | hi all |
| 10:04.37 | gfindster_dev1 | anyone good at android layout |
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| 10:06.31 | bgupta | Hey anyone seen this javac segfault when trying to make android? http://pastebin.com/m6b3624b9 |
| 10:06.51 | gfindster_dev1 | hello |
| 10:07.06 | bgupta | kennyyu: It's gonna be somewhere between 1.6-2GB |
| 10:07.13 | bgupta | hi |
| 10:08.15 | bgupta | I am thinking almost everyone is asleep by now.. Seemed pretty busy up until 4am EST. |
| 10:09.23 | kennyyu | wow |
| 10:09.52 | kennyyu | bgupta: the starbucks is going to close soon so i'm preparing to shtudown my computer... |
| 10:10.00 | kennyyu | bgupta: wanna to ask |
| 10:10.17 | kennyyu | my console is printing 'Checking out files: ...' something like that |
| 10:10.40 | kennyyu | it means that it's checking out the file from the local repo? or the remote repo? |
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| 10:11.43 | eugene | any idea what's the version of kernel android is using? how about 1.0_r2? |
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| 10:16.21 | bgupta | eugene: The G1 uses 2.6.25 but I think the source has 2.6.27 checked in. |
| 10:16.42 | bgupta | kennyyu: I suspect that is from the remote repo... |
| 10:17.09 | bgupta | eugene: Looking at source now.. |
| 10:17.26 | eugene | bgupta: i'm curious what's 1.0r2 is using. the HEAD of common.git? |
| 10:17.34 | eugene | or msm.git |
| 10:18.07 | bgupta | 1.0r2 version, no? (vs. the Android source code). |
| 10:18.47 | bgupta | s/version/is the version of the SDK/ |
| 10:19.12 | eugene | bgupta: oh i really mean that does the kernel version that is included in the 1.0r2 sdk :) |
| 10:19.26 | eugene | sigh i type differently from what i think i would type |
| 10:19.52 | bgupta | I don't know, I haven't looked... I didn't realize the SDK came with a kernel... |
| 10:20.13 | eugene | bgupta: or maybe it doesn't. i don't know. |
| 10:20.20 | eugene | bgupta: downloading the sdk... |
| 10:20.33 | bgupta | What are you trying to figure out? |
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| 10:21.04 | eugene | bgupta: just finding out the kernel version.. |
| 10:21.23 | bgupta | Realize there are two things you can download... 1) SDK, which is what you use to make and test Davlik apps, and 2) THe source code for the Android OS.... |
| 10:21.34 | eugene | bgupta: nod |
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| 10:21.55 | sparkle | mm |
| 10:22.11 | sparkle | well bumping up the clock gives me maybe a 15% boost to gcc |
| 10:22.20 | sparkle | not bad but probably not that worth it |
| 10:22.45 | bgupta | sparkle: gcc on what? |
| 10:22.53 | bgupta | your desktop? |
| 10:23.27 | sparkle | no |
| 10:23.27 | sparkle | the g1 |
| 10:23.48 | bgupta | lol. |
| 10:24.02 | bgupta | what are you building on your g1? |
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| 10:24.32 | sparkle | well a bunch of stuff but i was testing to see the effect of the clock bump |
| 10:24.34 | jsharkey | yay im somewhere near san jose now ^.^ |
| 10:25.06 | sparkle | streams copy stays about the same, scale/add/triad goes up by about 20% |
| 10:25.07 | sparkle | makes sense |
| 10:25.52 | bgupta | Been hearing that the G1 is artificially IO constrained... so that makes some sense. |
| 10:26.32 | sparkle | not really artificially |
| 10:26.41 | sparkle | the memory bus is slow so you can't take much advantage of a faster cpu |
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| 10:27.36 | gfindster_dev1 | i am building gfindster |
| 10:27.51 | bgupta | eugene: Looks like the Makefile for the kernel in the source indicated that it is 2.6.25 also... DOn't know where I got the idea 2.6.27 had been integrated |
| 10:28.32 | bgupta | Damn gimp takes awhile to compile... |
| 10:28.50 | eugene | bgupta: thanks mate |
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| 10:39.57 | gfinder_mib | hi to all here |
| 10:40.46 | sparkle | yo |
| 10:41.20 | gfindster_dev1 | hey sparkle |
| 10:41.39 | gfindster_dev1 | u dev? |
| 10:41.55 | sparkle | development and hacking |
| 10:42.01 | sparkle | kernel modules & stuff right now |
| 10:42.11 | gfindster_dev1 | cool, u r the man |
| 10:42.26 | sparkle | gawd i hope now :p |
| 10:42.45 | gfindster_dev1 | i need some help in layout |
| 10:43.14 | gfindster_dev1 | i need a two column scrolling layout for a chat client |
| 10:43.22 | gfindster_dev1 | whats the best layout |
| 10:45.14 | bgupta | try #android-dev |
| 10:45.34 | bgupta | That's the channel for app developers |
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| 10:45.49 | bgupta | THis is more for platform devs. |
| 10:45.58 | gfindster_dev1 | ok, thanks |
| 10:46.12 | joeyjones | heh, for my english class i'm writing a user manual on installing and basic useage of google android ont he htc vogue |
| 10:47.14 | bgupta | sparkle: WHat TZ you in? IT's super late where I am. |
| 10:49.47 | eugene | sparkle: need. what are you working on? |
| 10:50.48 | eugene | neat* |
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| 11:02.16 | sparkle | eugene: just mucking with the cpu freq |
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| 11:04.30 | bgupta | Damn gimp and dependencies take a long time to build.. been pegging 4 cores for over an hour now. (From macports) |
| 11:04.47 | eugene | sparkle: ah |
| 11:05.32 | bgupta | tired of waiting, time for bed... later nightowls |
| 11:05.49 | eugene | bgupta_away: zz |
| 11:06.07 | sparkle | yawns |
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| 11:27.09 | brocktice | bgupta_away, gimp.app |
| 11:29.30 | sparkle | oh SWEET |
| 11:32.58 | brocktice | sparkle, Eh? |
| 11:33.15 | sparkle | the android vnc viewer actually works now |
| 11:33.16 | sparkle | mostly |
| 11:33.23 | brocktice | Ah, cool. |
| 11:33.33 | brocktice | Does it have password support now? |
| 11:33.36 | sparkle | yeah |
| 11:33.42 | sparkle | and kb/mouse support |
| 11:34.04 | Gary|tp | :o nice |
| 11:34.05 | brocktice | What did it have before? |
| 11:34.10 | brocktice | No ability to interact with the remote machine? |
| 11:34.19 | sparkle | well you could view, but not do anything |
| 11:34.25 | brocktice | ah ok |
| 11:34.31 | sparkle | i'm hitting Xvnc over loopback and running an X session on the G1 |
| 11:34.33 | sparkle | it's...surreal |
| 11:34.53 | brocktice | I'll bet. |
| 11:35.03 | brocktice | You got a 480x320 session running? |
| 11:35.21 | brocktice | Mousing must be interesting. |
| 11:35.29 | sparkle | the trackball isn't too bad |
| 11:35.34 | brocktice | Oh yeah |
| 11:35.55 | brocktice | Sometimes I forget about that. |
| 11:36.04 | pawalls | !! |
| 11:37.09 | brocktice | pawalls, Not while using the device. |
| 11:37.16 | brocktice | Just when thinking about UI issues like VNC mousing. |
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| 13:09.23 | brocktice | Excellent, built an image for the Dream. |
| 13:09.28 | brocktice | Now I just need my dev phone to arrive. |
| 13:09.38 | sparkle | cool |
| 13:09.42 | sparkle | what's in the image? |
| 13:09.48 | brocktice | Oh, just stock. |
| 13:09.54 | brocktice | But I was happy to find not one build error. |
| 13:09.58 | brocktice | make -j5 and you're done. |
| 13:10.01 | sparkle | nods |
| 13:10.08 | brocktice | Now I have to figure out how to tweak it. |
| 13:10.14 | sparkle | i was a masochist for a stress test |
| 13:10.19 | sparkle | i built the kernel on the handset itself |
| 13:10.24 | brocktice | Nice |
| 13:10.30 | sparkle | it took a solid five hours |
| 13:10.32 | brocktice | I saw you mention something about building on-device before. |
| 13:10.35 | sparkle | yeah |
| 13:10.40 | sparkle | it's really really handy for small stuff |
| 13:10.46 | brocktice | I used to compile stuff on my NSLU2. |
| 13:10.53 | brocktice | Rather than cross-compile. Similar experience. |
| 13:10.55 | sparkle | nods |
| 13:11.07 | brocktice | Any idea whether it'll be possible to get a Market APK? |
| 13:11.15 | brocktice | Can one just pull it from the device? |
| 13:11.15 | sparkle | hm? |
| 13:11.23 | sparkle | oh |
| 13:11.32 | brocktice | So, if you build a custom image, it doesn't include the market program. |
| 13:11.35 | sparkle | nods |
| 13:11.45 | brocktice | That would be kind of nice to have though. |
| 13:11.52 | sparkle | i can't imagine it being a problem |
| 13:12.23 | brocktice | I guess on a dev device or rooted device it should be easy enough to pull the apk from the filesystem. |
| 13:12.58 | sparkle | nods |
| 13:13.11 | sparkle | or just look at one of the patched rc30 builds floating around |
| 13:13.21 | sparkle | they're full overlays |
| 13:13.36 | sparkle | so it's easy enough to extract things from them |
| 13:13.45 | brocktice | Ah ok |
| 13:13.57 | sparkle | or i could just turn on my phone as an afs server |
| 13:13.59 | sparkle | laughs |
| 13:14.07 | brocktice | you didn't install netatalk |
| 13:14.09 | brocktice | ? |
| 13:14.11 | sparkle | it's just been a while since i've been able to get into technology |
| 13:14.25 | sparkle | and thing little thing is pretty fun |
| 13:14.31 | sparkle | oh |
| 13:14.40 | sparkle | afs, not some pc appletalk crap :p |
| 13:15.54 | brocktice | Hmm, I'm not seeing a "Market.apk" |
| 13:15.59 | brocktice | "Vending.apk" maybe? |
| 13:16.45 | sparkle | that sounds right |
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| 13:18.41 | brocktice | Interesting, that appears to include some youtube stuff as well |
| 13:18.46 | swetland | sparkle: only five hours? wow |
| 13:19.39 | brocktice | swetland, Are there public docs somewhere on tweaking the build? |
| 13:19.53 | brocktice | I started poking around in makefiles but it would be more efficient if there were already instructions. |
| 13:19.57 | sparkle | now that i think about it it may have been 7-8 |
| 13:20.02 | sparkle | i fell asleep in the middle of it |
| 13:20.38 | brocktice | brb |
| 13:21.18 | sparkle | it must be a little odd, having people run in really weird directions with a fairly end-user focused handset |
| 13:21.33 | swetland | not sure what you mean by "tweaking the build" |
| 13:21.50 | swetland | there's a source tree with about 800MB of source. you could change any number of things |
| 13:23.07 | joeyjones | sparkle: i'm writing a user manual on installing and basic useage of google android on the htc vogue |
| 13:23.10 | brocktice | back |
| 13:23.27 | sparkle | nods |
| 13:23.32 | brocktice | swetland, Fair enough. |
| 13:23.50 | brocktice | It's pretty much all done through the makefiles though, eh? |
| 13:23.55 | joeyjones | a good use of an englsh assignment to write a user manual :p |
| 13:24.07 | joeyjones | it sure as hell beats the one someone wrote ona spoon |
| 13:24.51 | swetland | sparkle: it'll be fun to see what people do with it all |
| 13:25.13 | brocktice | sparkle, Vending.apk will not install on the emulator :( |
| 13:25.19 | swetland | we've been working on this for just shy of four years and of course have not stopped. I expect to see people take it in all kinds of interesting directions |
| 13:25.56 | brocktice | swetland, Thanks to you guys for working on it. Palm is dying a slow, pitiful death, and I'm glad to have an alternative to WM. |
| 13:26.04 | brocktice | Particularly an open alternative. |
| 13:26.19 | joeyjones | an in-progress version: http://distro.jjhosting.org/engl-170/user_manual.pdf |
| 13:26.22 | sparkle | nods |
| 13:26.45 | sparkle | i work in engineering at a mobiletelco, our handset engineers have been itching at the chance to branch out |
| 13:27.01 | brocktice | joeyjones, Sounds like there's a decent number of people running Android on the vogue. |
| 13:27.08 | joeyjones | yup |
| 13:27.14 | brocktice | Is it possible that it could run on, say, an EeePC? |
| 13:27.23 | swetland | yup |
| 13:27.28 | swetland | has been done already |
| 13:27.48 | brocktice | swetland, How'd it work? |
| 13:28.02 | swetland | the next big push to the open source tree (should be before the end of the year) should include the x86 and eeepc stuff |
| 13:28.10 | brocktice | Oh, excellent. |
| 13:28.28 | brocktice | I got a hand-me down EeePC and put ubuntu on it, but for what it is I think Android would be much nicer. |
| 13:28.36 | swetland | I didn't play with it much. seemed to work well enough. an engineer in another group was hacking on it as a side project |
| 13:29.08 | brocktice | No touch screen support, I guess, but it's designed to handle that, right? |
| 13:29.16 | joeyjones | for me the biggest advantage of android is that it's easy to navigate and use with a finger |
| 13:29.27 | brocktice | Is there mouse cursor support somewhere? |
| 13:29.50 | Phlogi | joeyjones: omg, I didn't know that windows mobile looks so ugly |
| 13:30.00 | brocktice | joeyjones, It's also designed for low-power devices with small screens. |
| 13:30.06 | joeyjones | it may jsut be my theme :p |
| 13:30.50 | joeyjones | *just |
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| 13:55.52 | sth | Hey, does anyone know how much the dev g1 is in the UK? |
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| 13:56.35 | offby1 | stares blankly |
| 13:58.25 | brocktice | sth, Probably US$399 + exorbitant customs fees. |
| 13:58.37 | jbq | most people outside the US seemed to report $550 to $650 dependng on the countries. |
| 13:59.02 | loke | I'm ordering right now. I'll let you know the price for Singapore |
| 13:59.20 | sth | brocktice: aww |
| 13:59.29 | sth | I want a G1 but don't want to be on tmobile |
| 14:00.09 | loke | bloody hell |
| 14:00.12 | loke | 119 USD in shipping |
| 14:00.47 | sth | mmm £354 in total then |
| 14:00.49 | hitman | what is the benefit of having a dev g1 |
| 14:00.55 | joeyjones | loke: i'd jsut give up now... |
| 14:01.05 | sth | The bootloader is unlocked |
| 14:01.08 | hitman | ah |
| 14:01.11 | loke | joeyjones: why? |
| 14:01.12 | sth | Plus it's sim unlocked |
| 14:01.14 | brocktice | As is the SIM |
| 14:01.15 | brocktice | yeah |
| 14:01.21 | joeyjones | loke: the ass-raping fees. |
| 14:01.39 | brocktice | loke, I suggest you call up our respective governments and ask them to open up trade a bit. |
| 14:01.40 | loke | I know. But I just clicked "order" :-) |
| 14:01.45 | joeyjones | :p |
| 14:03.05 | brocktice | I want a little google search button my my desktop's keyboard like on the G1. |
| 14:03.13 | brocktice | only one "my" necessary tehre? |
| 14:03.18 | brocktice | there even, need more coffee |
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| 14:04.31 | joeyjones | brocktice: you forgot an "on" |
| 14:04.32 | joeyjones | :p |
| 14:04.50 | brocktice | s/my/on/ then |
| 14:04.55 | brocktice | Definitely need more coffee. |
| 14:05.35 | joeyjones | brocktice: have you seen what i'm working on? |
| 14:05.43 | brocktice | Your Vogue manual? |
| 14:06.08 | joeyjones | yeah |
| 14:06.14 | brocktice | yeah I flipped through it briefly |
| 14:06.23 | brocktice | I don't have a vogue so it's not very compelling |
| 14:06.29 | joeyjones | i'm up to 11 pages now :p |
| 14:06.38 | brocktice | I'm all for twofers |
| 14:06.44 | joeyjones | twofers? |
| 14:06.50 | brocktice | two-for-ones |
| 14:06.54 | joeyjones | aahh |
| 14:06.58 | brocktice | English assignment + manual |
| 14:07.02 | joeyjones | yup :p |
| 14:07.18 | joeyjones | with plenty of screen shots :p |
| 14:07.24 | joeyjones | but they're going to dry up soon :p |
| 14:07.25 | brocktice | Wrote a parallel data post-processing library for my lab as a final project for my MPI class. |
| 14:07.45 | joeyjones | i only have 3 screen shots of android in use :p |
| 14:07.56 | loke | OK, ordered |
| 14:07.56 | brocktice | where's the PDF again? |
| 14:07.58 | loke | 518 USD |
| 14:08.02 | brocktice | loke, Congrats |
| 14:08.14 | brocktice | I hope mine gets here before I leave town for the holidays. |
| 14:08.42 | joeyjones | http://distro.jjhosting.org/engl-170/user_manual.pdf |
| 14:09.03 | joeyjones | i;ve heard that the htc touch hd may get android |
| 14:09.07 | brocktice | What are you making this with? |
| 14:09.16 | joeyjones | the pdf? |
| 14:09.17 | joeyjones | OO.o |
| 14:09.20 | brocktice | Ah ok |
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| 14:09.25 | brocktice | didn't look like LaTeX output |
| 14:09.43 | brocktice | Nice footnote on upgrading the ROM |
| 14:09.45 | loke | have anyone heard anything of delivery times? |
| 14:09.49 | joeyjones | :p |
| 14:10.15 | brocktice | joeyjones, It's not capacitive? |
| 14:10.15 | joeyjones | brocktice: i don;t want to get into explaining flashing ROMs |
| 14:10.44 | brocktice | The screen I mean. |
| 14:10.46 | joeyjones | stop using big words :p |
| 14:10.54 | brocktice | I'm not even sure that's the right word. |
| 14:11.02 | joeyjones | i;ve been up for 21 hours so far :p |
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| 14:11.12 | brocktice | Due Monday? |
| 14:11.16 | joeyjones | tuesday |
| 14:11.21 | joeyjones | along with 3 other assignments |
| 14:11.28 | joeyjones | and exams on monday and tuesday |
| 14:12.04 | brocktice | I'm not sure about your quoting in 4.1 |
| 14:12.28 | brocktice | Not saying it's wrong, but you quote some strings from the screenshot but not others. |
| 14:12.31 | joeyjones | yeah, it got a bit crazy in that section |
| 14:12.44 | brocktice | And I don't know what the correct usage is, but that seems inconsistent. |
| 14:13.35 | joeyjones | i think i'll go and quote everything |
| 14:14.01 | brocktice | Haven't added the android screenshots yet? |
| 14:14.26 | joeyjones | brocktice: nope |
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| 14:14.51 | joeyjones | and i was only able to find 3 screen shots online, since my phone can;t take any |
| 14:15.20 | joeyjones | no usb support as of yet, and the one screen shot app i found woulnd;t take one |
| 14:16.13 | joeyjones | i'm going to use 3-4 of the ones from http://www.webmonkey.com/blog/Android_SDK_Update_a_Little_Late_to_the_Party though |
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| 14:18.19 | brocktice | joeyjones, Ah, yeah no DDMS if you don't have the USB. |
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| 14:18.28 | joeyjones | yup |
| 14:18.37 | joeyjones | i do have the sdk though |
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| 14:18.46 | brocktice | With native binaries, can one call them from the java VM? |
| 14:18.50 | joeyjones | so i may make some screen shots with the emulator there |
| 14:19.05 | brocktice | joeyjones, Oh, that would be good. Give you more contro.. |
| 14:19.07 | brocktice | control even |
| 14:21.41 | joeyjones | so i jsut opened the emulator for the first time and it seems to have frozen :p |
| 14:21.49 | brocktice | :( |
| 14:22.28 | joeyjones | nvm, got it. |
| 14:22.58 | joeyjones | heh |
| 14:23.05 | jbq | The first launch takes a long time (or a very long time if you're unlucky). |
| 14:23.07 | joeyjones | it made me "turn on" the emulated phone |
| 14:23.30 | joeyjones | very long would be nice, i want a screeny of the booting screen |
| 14:23.43 | joeyjones | and i forgot to install my fave screeny app |
| 14:24.01 | brocktice | joeyjones, Just take a screenshot on your machine. |
| 14:24.18 | brocktice | Printscreen in windows or apple-shift-3 on mac. |
| 14:24.20 | joeyjones | i'm going to, but i want to use a specific app for it :p |
| 14:24.36 | brocktice | Linux I guess you can use GIMP |
| 14:24.42 | joeyjones | here |
| 14:24.45 | joeyjones | the emulator crashed |
| 14:26.56 | joeyjones | nvm |
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| 14:32.51 | jbq | bangs his head on the table |
| 14:35.21 | brocktice | jbq? |
| 14:35.59 | jbq | telling people "you're wasting your time, this is going nowhere" and seeing them keep going in that direction. |
| 14:36.20 | brocktice | Oh... yeah. |
| 14:39.20 | joeyjones | brocktice: i changed the footnote to "See http://forum.ppcgeeks.com/showthread.php?t=17473 for instructions on how to flash the ROM." |
| 14:39.33 | brocktice | That's more useful |
| 14:51.51 | jbq | I hate having to review a change along the lines of "you're doing it all wrong and this'll never fly", but sometimes that's really the only possible answer :-( |
| 14:53.57 | sparkle | "this isn't even wrong." |
| 14:54.39 | jbq | yeah, I loved that quote. |
| 14:55.07 | jbq | Not the kind of thing that I could write in a code review, though. |
| 15:01.07 | d03boy | jbq, you sound kind of like my boss -- he expects me to read his mind for some reason. Never gives me a direction until its too late |
| 15:01.25 | d03boy | then he just does it himself |
| 15:01.45 | jbq | d03boy: lol. In this case it's even worse: the changes have already been done... |
| 15:02.06 | d03boy | eek |
| 15:02.31 | jbq | Many of the more experienced Android engineers will gladly discuss the design of various things if people ask. |
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| 15:03.34 | jbq | It does take a bit of experience to realize that discussing the design ahead of time is often a better approach than trying to dive head first into writing code. |
| 15:03.45 | sparkle | nods |
| 15:04.28 | jbq | (the danger with the latter approach is that it takes a lot of discipline to abandon code that you've already written, no matter how wrong you know or you're told it is). |
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| 15:12.10 | SanMehat | morning |
| 15:12.58 | jbq | Hey SanMehat |
| 15:13.00 | d03boy | hello cat in MeHat |
| 15:13.01 | SanMehat | hey dude |
| 15:13.05 | SanMehat | sup d03boy |
| 15:14.51 | SanMehat | ? |
| 15:15.09 | d03boy | it is sunny out |
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| 15:15.22 | SanMehat | sweet |
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| 15:36.01 | digitalspaghetti | hey, does anyone know if there is a way to add a proxy to the android browser? |
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| 15:47.47 | bgupta_away | joeyjoey: HTC Vogue is CDMA. Looking at the open source code it's not clear that CDMA code is ready. How well does the thing work as a phone? |
| 15:48.34 | jbq | bgupta: if you look at the pending code reviews you'll see that there's some significant work being contributed to make Android CDMA-ready. |
| 15:49.52 | bgupta | Yeah, I saw that... |
| 15:50.27 | jbq | sadly, such large changes are really hard to review (and therefore to approve and submit). |
| 15:50.34 | Disconnect | morning all |
| 15:50.43 | jbq | Hey Disconnect :) |
| 15:50.53 | Disconnect | omg its a robot run!! |
| 15:50.58 | Disconnect | er.. i mean.. hi! |
| 15:51.12 | bgupta | Hey Disconect... |
| 15:51.27 | Disconnect | stuck the wrong kernel on his phone, so no wifi. doh. |
| 15:51.51 | Disconnect | and i shut down a ton of outside ports in prep for a slashdotting.. double doh. |
| 15:52.05 | jbq | heh |
| 15:52.06 | bgupta | RyeBrye Got an alternate SplashScreen going last. night after you crashed... |
| 15:52.10 | Phlogi | can anyone give me a linkt that describes the steps to connect my phone to my linux machine and start coding / debugging? |
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| 15:53.02 | bgupta | http://source.android.com/ |
| 15:53.07 | Disconnect | Phlogi: istr the sdk has those docs, but basically install the sdk, enable 'usb debugging' on the phone, and (for a test) run "adb shell" .. that should put you in a (non-root) shell on the phone. |
| 15:53.15 | Disconnect | bgupta: thats platform, not sdk |
| 15:53.42 | bgupta | THen http://code.google.com/android/ |
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| 15:54.01 | bgupta | but the source one has a link to the SDK site |
| 15:54.17 | Phlogi | Disconnect: ok sounds easy :) I have the sdk already installed and played with the emulator once |
| 15:55.57 | Disconnect | "adb devices" will show you whats hooked up (emu and phone) |
| 15:56.18 | eugene | bgupta: i thought you went to sleep |
| 15:56.31 | digitalspaghetti | hey, does anyone know if there is a way to add a proxy to the android browser? |
| 15:56.39 | bgupta | I did it |
| 15:56.43 | bgupta | s 11am now |
| 15:56.50 | bgupta | still tired though |
| 15:57.02 | eugene | bgupta: heh. 11am ... is that central US? |
| 15:57.18 | bgupta | EST |
| 15:57.29 | bgupta | New York City to be exact |
| 15:57.54 | eugene | bgupta: oh. ok. yes. |
| 15:57.57 | Disconnect | klowner (http://www.dugnet.com/klown/wallpaper/) made me a burning christmas tree, i think i'm gonna use that for my bootsplash :) with "if found..reward" info |
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| 15:59.26 | bgupta | Need to start a Android/G1 hackery club in NYC. Sadly I only know two other geeks that have G1s in NYC. And I don't think either of them has the time or inclination to be doing any kernel stuff.. or even install custom firmware for that matter. |
| 16:00.01 | Disconnect | ..why do you need a club? esp if there is nobody tehre |
| 16:00.29 | jbq | Be your own one-person club, at least everyone will agree with you! |
| 16:00.54 | flaushy | if not, you have serious issues and should discuss some more ;) |
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| 16:02.43 | bgupta | I'm sure there are people there just don't know any... basically it's fun to share... I guess usergroups are slowly but suring growing obsoselte with IRC and mailing lists and what not |
| 16:03.01 | bgupta | s/suting/surely/ |
| 16:03.09 | bgupta | damn |
| 16:03.17 | flaushy | i dont think so |
| 16:03.30 | flaushy | face to face communication is a great thing imo |
| 16:03.36 | jbq | Actually, with laptops being so powerful, it is now easier than ever to meet around computers. |
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| 16:03.47 | bgupta | true |
| 16:04.14 | Phlogi | hmm is it possible to NOT load my phone when plugged on usb? |
| 16:04.43 | jbq | Phlogi: what do you mean exactly? |
| 16:04.44 | bgupta | Yes... rc29+ gives you the option.. |
| 16:04.55 | Phlogi | bgupta: where please? :) |
| 16:05.27 | bgupta | When you plug in there will be a notification.. click on it and choose mount or do not mount |
| 16:05.39 | Phlogi | bgupta: but I want to copy files :P |
| 16:05.58 | Phlogi | uu phone is really slow while copying :) |
| 16:06.15 | jbq | Well, if you want to go low-level you can use adb push and adb pull to move files across. |
| 16:06.40 | neerhaj | i keep getting a Fatal error while installing the USB driver on Windows. Is it a known issue ? |
| 16:07.07 | jbq | neerhaj: are you running a 64-bit windows? |
| 16:07.21 | neerhaj | Windows XP SP2 32-bit |
| 16:07.47 | Phlogi | I think its not good for the battery if its loaded only a bit and at a random level |
| 16:07.52 | jbq | are you running through a USB1 hub? Apparently there are issues if the G1 isn't plugged as USB2. |
| 16:08.08 | jbq | Phlogi: oh, you meant charging. No, there's no such option. |
| 16:08.24 | Phlogi | jbq: there must be such an option then :) |
| 16:08.29 | bgupta | I've also had issues on low power USB ports... |
| 16:08.30 | jbq | LiIon batteries don't care that much about being partially charged. |
| 16:08.41 | Phlogi | jbq: you can really argue about that... |
| 16:08.50 | jbq | I'm not a battery expert :D |
| 16:08.56 | jbq | (so I won't argue) |
| 16:08.59 | Phlogi | jbq: me neither but I once read a lot about it |
| 16:09.06 | Phlogi | and imho it does matter indeed |
| 16:09.13 | neerhaj | jbq: it is on USB2 :( |
| 16:09.34 | neerhaj | i even tried reinstalling the hub from device manager |
| 16:09.52 | bgupta | neerhaj: ONe think that sounds confusing.. Why did you have to install USB drivers.. they should be included with ur OS? |
| 16:10.03 | jbq | neerhaj: sorry, those are the only 2 points I knew could cause problems, I don't have any other idea. |
| 16:10.46 | neerhaj | bgupta: android USB drivers for testing apps on G1 |
| 16:11.46 | bgupta | ah... |
| 16:11.50 | neerhaj | jbq: is there any change in the drivers that come with the 1.0_r2 SDK ? |
| 16:11.59 | jbq | neerhaj: I don't believe so. |
| 16:17.48 | Phlogi | on those documentation they always talk about the emulator.. but how can I do it on my phone? Do I need to add that in eclipse or seomthing? |
| 16:18.42 | jbq | From Eclipse, there shouldn't be any major difference between using the phone and the emulator (once the phone is turned on and plugged in, of course). |
| 16:19.45 | Phlogi | jbq: and eclipse will find it? where can I see that? And where do I enter those commands? |
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| 16:21.12 | jbq | I'm not sure, I've never done development with Eclipse. |
| 16:21.13 | Phlogi | ah its a unix executable of course :) |
| 16:21.29 | Phlogi | so adb devices list my phone :) |
| 16:23.31 | Phlogi | the adb push gives me read only error |
| 16:23.51 | Phlogi | ah because I mounted usb ;) |
| 16:24.09 | Phlogi | can anyone recommend an editor app for the phone? |
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| 16:33.07 | mmitchel | grr; does anybody know the solution to a segmentation fault of javac, this is on macos 10.5.. |
| 16:35.57 | neerhaj | the android USB driver issue is solved :) |
| 16:36.23 | TiberiumX | What was the android USB driver issue? |
| 16:37.46 | bgupta | mmitchel: I am having the same issue. :( |
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| 16:38.00 | neerhaj | TiberiumX: i was getting Fatal error installing usb driver on Windows XP |
| 16:38.02 | bgupta | Was too tired last night to work on it... |
| 16:38.26 | TiberiumX | Haha, good thing T-mobile got rid of their 1GB cap. I used a little over that during this last billing period. |
| 16:38.36 | bgupta | Want to compare notes and see if we are seeing the same exact issue? |
| 16:38.54 | neerhaj | in case someone else faces the same problem in future, goto C:\Windows\system32\drivers and delete androidusb.sys and rename wdf01000.sys to wdf01000.sys.old |
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| 16:40.44 | TiberiumX | And I spent all of 11 minutes talking to someone with it. |
| 16:41.05 | bgupta | mmitchel: http://pastebin.com/m57da8e0d here is my output. |
| 16:41.31 | offby1 | TiberiumX: wait. Are you saying that T-Mobile's phone support was _useful_? |
| 16:41.33 | offby1 | I must have misunderstood |
| 16:42.42 | loke | is it possible to use the android market application from the emulator? |
| 16:42.48 | TiberiumX | Not part of that 11, but they have been useful in the past. But I'd know better than to ask them any hard questions -- I just wanted my number ported from another carrier, which I'm sure they do all the time. |
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| 16:43.21 | TiberiumX | If you've got root, maybe you could pull the market package from the phone. |
| 16:43.29 | brocktice | loke, I tried this morning without success. |
| 16:43.30 | TiberiumX | But it's not on there. |
| 16:43.40 | loke | Is the market app on the developer units? |
| 16:43.48 | brocktice | I couldn't actually find the market app, but I found something that looked like it contained the app stuff. |
| 16:44.01 | brocktice | Vender.apk or something like that. |
| 16:44.25 | brocktice | Vending.apk |
| 16:44.40 | TiberiumX | Hey, with a name like that, maybe you could get myfaves on there too! |
| 16:44.44 | brocktice | Probably |
| 16:44.48 | brocktice | It also contained YouTube stuff. |
| 16:45.01 | brocktice | All I could tell was from the pixmaps |
| 16:45.16 | Phlogi | anyone knows if there is a vpn client developed for android? |
| 16:46.37 | Disconnect | Phlogi: there won't be for a long while - its not 'secure' (has to run as root) |
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| 16:56.02 | nealmcb | I want to take an address (text) from my desktop and send it to my android in order to create a bookmark. I sent the text as a chat message to the android, but I can't figure out how to copy the text for pasting elsewhere (like in the "Go To Url" menu item in the browser) |
| 16:56.37 | nealmcb | menu c doesn't seem to work when I scroll up to the text I pasted |
| 16:57.20 | nealmcb | because hitting "menu" causes the menu to pop up |
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| 16:59.09 | nealmcb | in the search dialogs menu c / menu v works fine |
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| 17:07.03 | jbq | We've being invaded by DannyB's - two of them in 7 minutes... ;-) |
| 17:07.14 | jbq | s/ve/re/ |
| 17:08.13 | Phlogi | Disconnect: hmm shit :S |
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| 17:08.45 | Foxdie | wheeee finally got my upgrade, got a G1 :) |
| 17:08.49 | Foxdie | and its pre-RC30 |
| 17:10.28 | Foxdie | anyone know how I can keep root before I upgrade to rc30? |
| 17:10.56 | jbq | Disconnect: do you know off-hand the size of the system, data and cache partitions? I think it's about 67.5, 64, and 77, but I'm not entirely sure and I don't have the right equipment here. |
| 17:11.15 | eldenz | Foxdie, http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=448 |
| 17:11.17 | Disconnect | that sounds about right but i can check easy enough. |
| 17:11.30 | jbq | Thanks, I'd appreciate. |
| 17:11.59 | Foxdie | thanks eldenz |
| 17:12.44 | Disconnect | jbq: http://pastebin.ca/1278889 in blocks but.. |
| 17:13.15 | jbq | perfect, thanks :) |
| 17:14.06 | eldenz | Foxdie, i think you need to get root, then modded recovery image, and finally the 'modified rc30 full version' 1.2 |
| 17:15.01 | Foxdie | okay |
| 17:15.08 | Foxdie | step 1, get root |
| 17:15.10 | Disconnect | anyone know how to generate rgb888 images w/ imagemagick? |
| 17:15.27 | Foxdie | I've got a G1, just out of the box |
| 17:15.56 | Foxdie | its prompting me to install an update, I am telling it to do it later |
| 17:16.16 | Foxdie | I went to a blank screen, typed in "reboot" and hit enter, and sure enough it did |
| 17:16.17 | andyross | Foxdie: you want to do this sooner rather than later. The phone will only take "no" for an answer so many times. |
| 17:16.26 | bgupta | Guys am I missing anything: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=G1_keyboard_and_button_shortcuts |
| 17:16.43 | Foxdie | okay, what must I do? |
| 17:17.02 | Foxdie | I'm downloading the images now, but I don't know what eldenz means by "get root" |
| 17:17.10 | Foxdie | I dont have a terminal / console app installed |
| 17:17.22 | bgupta | Disconnect: WHat is your source image format? |
| 17:17.34 | Disconnect | png |
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| 17:17.45 | andyross | The forum has full insructions. But basically, download the ~64M zip file, rename it to "update.zip" and place it in the root directory of your SD card, boot your phone to recovery mode (I forget which button you hold down offhand), and flash it (again, with a keystroke that isn't in my brain at the moment) |
| 17:18.17 | Disconnect | power and home |
| 17:19.12 | bgupta | Foxdie: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page Lot's of howtos here... |
| 17:19.26 | Foxdie | thanks guys |
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| 17:21.38 | Foxdie | how can I prevent the phone from automatically installing rc8/rc30 (UK G1, its on RC7 at the moment)? |
| 17:21.46 | ttuttle | Foxdie: Get a developer device? |
| 17:21.52 | Disconnect | Foxdie: hit 'no' but eventually you're gonna accidentally hit yes. |
| 17:21.55 | Disconnect | so install jf's update instead |
| 17:22.11 | Foxdie | JF's update? |
| 17:22.16 | Disconnect | (don't listen to ttuttle he's just bitter that he can't brag about his bootloader anymore) |
| 17:22.19 | Foxdie | is that the same as http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root_UK ? |
| 17:22.20 | ttuttle | Disconnect: :P |
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| 17:22.31 | Disconnect | that is exactly it yes :) |
| 17:22.38 | bgupta | See the "keeping root" sections of the wiki.. one for US and one for UK.. |
| 17:22.39 | ttuttle | should really find a way to get the ADP1's bootloader onto the production G1's, and sell it ;-) |
| 17:22.42 | Foxdie | cool thanks |
| 17:23.10 | Foxdie | I'm a linux user and I used to own a zaurus, I'd like to keep as much access to the underlying system as I can |
| 17:23.24 | Disconnect | ttuttle: erm. we have that already. |
| 17:23.26 | Foxdie | the prospect of being able to compile some linux command line utilities would be awesome :) |
| 17:23.31 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Oh, even with RC30? Really? |
| 17:23.38 | bgupta | Foxdie: Interesting thing... ANdroid has been ported to at least on eZaurus model |
| 17:23.41 | jbq | Foxdie: no need to have root for that. |
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| 17:23.51 | Foxdie | I know, but it helps sometimes |
| 17:23.52 | Disconnect | ttuttle: there are little birds whispering that we can revert, so... yes. |
| 17:24.01 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Cool. |
| 17:24.04 | Foxdie | bgupta, I got rid of my C760 ages ago :( |
| 17:24.15 | ttuttle | Disconnect: /me would guess that some of the flashing methods probably don't check version. |
| 17:24.18 | Disconnect | thats old news. the new news is the bootloader dump (shoulda been a week ago but dream_kill was busy :/ ..) |
| 17:24.37 | Disconnect | ttuttle: ok |
| 17:24.54 | Foxdie | I went for a HTC Universal because it had 3G, WiFi and Bluetooth built in, on the hope that the HTC-linux team would continue development on it.. they stopped before they finished work on the internal flash code |
| 17:25.04 | Disconnect | so..anyone? png to rgb888? (or png straight to logo.rle) |
| 17:25.18 | Foxdie | but to be honest, the G1 is way sexier than a Uni :) |
| 17:25.40 | Foxdie | so just to confirm, the phone won't auto patch? |
| 17:25.50 | Foxdie | its just human error that will make it. ie. me accidentally telling it to update? |
| 17:25.59 | andyross | Disconnect: you want to convert it? ImageMagick will do that. I think the format is "raw", and you have to specify the bit depth... |
| 17:26.21 | Disconnect | Foxdie: it -can- autopatch but i think (at least in the usa) the update was sent with "query forever" set |
| 17:26.45 | andyross | But nothing does the "rle" format, that's google-specific. There's a very similar standard format usually called "sgi+" or "sgi", but it's not compatible. |
| 17:26.52 | Disconnect | or at least, there are reports of very careful users who went for weeks (which is an unreasonable time, programatically, if query forever wasn't set) |
| 17:26.53 | bgupta | Foxdie, once you get the modded RC30 installed, you can install the ENgineering bootloader... which means you can always install your own unsigned firmware image, which means you can recover from an autopatch. |
| 17:27.05 | Foxdie | ooooh :) |
| 17:27.09 | andyross | Unless the autopatch itself rewrites the bootloader :) |
| 17:27.11 | Disconnect | andyross: cool 'raw' was what i wanted :) thanks |
| 17:27.23 | Foxdie | I'll put that on afterwards |
| 17:27.35 | Foxdie | right now I've just got a stock G1 with RC7 (UK) |
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| 17:28.30 | bgupta | Foxdie: Disconnect has posted instructions for going from the modded firmware to the engineering bootloader.. http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/7 |
| 17:28.37 | brocktice | Disconnect, I'm sure several of us would like to hear what those little birdies are saying. |
| 17:28.45 | Disconnect | probably. |
| 17:29.11 | Disconnect | and when its released, you can be sure i'll announce it. |
| 17:29.20 | Disconnect | i've seen it work tho :) repeatly. |
| 17:30.09 | brocktice | Good to know |
| 17:30.35 | ttuttle | loves watching the G1 get hacked, and wishes he could participate. |
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| 17:31.18 | jbq | ttuttle: it's definitely fascinating :) |
| 17:31.22 | ttuttle | jbq: :) |
| 17:31.56 | ttuttle | jbq: The ADP1 does make it less attractive, but hacking is fun! |
| 17:32.02 | jbq | As long as nobody gets hurt (uh, as long as it doesn't result in additional costs for T-Mobile), it's all good fun. |
| 17:32.06 | ttuttle | jbq: Yeah. |
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| 17:32.15 | ttuttle | jbq: /me doesn't like it when carriers get angry, as they can be nasty. |
| 17:32.45 | ttuttle | jbq: (Also, we should be nice to T-Mo, as they took on a huge risk carrying the G1 -- they wanted an iPhone competitor, but it could've flopped, leaving them with lots of phones nobody wants and a bad image.) |
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| 17:34.04 | Foxdie | okay, does this procedure to install the recovery image and then the hacked rc8/rc30 image involve the use of a windows pc? |
| 17:34.07 | Foxdie | because I've only got a mac |
| 17:34.11 | loke | the developer units give the same access, no? |
| 17:34.14 | brocktice | Foxdie, Mac should work. |
| 17:34.18 | brocktice | That's how I did mine before. |
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| 17:34.27 | andyross | Foxdie: no. Anything that can write to a fat32 partition mounted from the phone will work. |
| 17:34.52 | jbq | Well, my concern is that careless hacking could result in higher costs for T-Mobile, which could make them and all others less willing to carry Android phones in the futures, or would make them require further restrictions on the way Android works (which in turn would take precious engineering time away from other tasks, and would probably make further hacks even more risky). |
| 17:35.05 | Foxdie | and whats this adb command? |
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| 17:35.21 | ttuttle | jbq: Yeah. And restrictions suck, period. |
| 17:35.36 | ttuttle | jbq: There's a tightrope that Android needs to walk, and it's doing a good job so far. |
| 17:35.46 | loke | jbq: or... they could just make the phones actually useful without having to crack it. I'm pretty sure it will be, as long as you're not buying it from a US carrier |
| 17:35.49 | Disconnect | dfakldfjdgj all i can get imagemagick to do is add an alpha channel. :( |
| 17:35.57 | jbq | I hate writing additional code to make software do less... (Grrr DRM0. |
| 17:36.05 | ttuttle | loke: So, it needs to be impossible to do certain things, like spam 911. |
| 17:36.29 | andyross | jbq: It goes both ways, though. The need for "careless hacking" that can brick the phone is a direct result of your (or T-Mobile's, yada yada) attempt to lock it down in the first place. Had you just shipped fastboot on the phone, no one would be warning about bricking during a bootloader reflash. |
| 17:36.33 | loke | ttuttle: when do you mean "needs"? |
| 17:36.35 | ttuttle | loke: So letting random customers flash their own images will *eventually* result in some idiot flashing malicious code. |
| 17:36.52 | ttuttle | loke: I mean, if Android phones (even running modded android) start causing trouble, the shit hits the fan. |
| 17:36.56 | loke | ttuttle: well, there are plentyy of phones out there that allows it, and the sky isn't falling yet |
| 17:36.59 | brocktice | Yeah I was wondering where those needs came from as well. |
| 17:37.14 | ttuttle | loke: Um... most phones require the user to dial that, and won't let apps do it. |
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| 17:37.16 | jbq | andyross: you mean, had *they* shipped fastboot. They took a guess in what would result in the fewer costs for them, I guess. |
| 17:37.19 | ttuttle | loke: Also, things like tethering. |
| 17:37.29 | ttuttle | loke: T-Mo isn't allowing tethering, and depends on the phone manufacturers to not enable it. |
| 17:37.37 | paulproteus | ttuttle, Yo, hi from #cslounge. |
| 17:37.39 | loke | ttuttle: tethering? all modern Nokia phones do it |
| 17:37.39 | ttuttle | loke: If production phones shipped with unlocked bootloaders, people could just dodge that. |
| 17:37.42 | ttuttle | paulproteus: Hey! |
| 17:37.45 | Disconnect | ttuttle: wow you are so wrong so fast i can't even keep up. |
| 17:37.48 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Sorry. |
| 17:37.52 | brocktice | Yeah I was able to tether on Tmo with my RAZR2. |
| 17:37.55 | ttuttle | Disconnect: I assumed T-Mo shut it off on their phones. |
| 17:37.56 | paulproteus | ttuttle, T-Mo said it didn't care if people tether. |
| 17:37.57 | brocktice | Of course, it wasn't 3G. |
| 17:38.00 | ttuttle | paulproteus: Whoa, really?! |
| 17:38.02 | ttuttle | paulproteus: Damn. |
| 17:38.08 | Disconnect | lets go backwards. tethering - tmob doesn't care, thats why they have data caps. and they've said its fine. (and its fine on their other smartphones.) |
| 17:38.13 | loke | ttuttle: how could they? unless they ban non-tmbile phones on their network, which they can't do |
| 17:38.15 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Awesome. |
| 17:38.17 | paulproteus | They said, basically, We're not going to stop anything users try to do with their G1s. |
| 17:38.19 | ttuttle | loke: Yeah, true. |
| 17:38.22 | ttuttle | paulproteus: Wow. |
| 17:38.24 | ttuttle | stands corrected. |
| 17:38.29 | brocktice | paulproteus, We'll see how that goes. |
| 17:38.31 | ttuttle | paulproteus: What's up? |
| 17:38.36 | Disconnect | and there are -tons- of flashable phones out there. (especially htc) |
| 17:38.36 | paulproteus | Indeed we will see! |
| 17:38.47 | brocktice | paulproteus, were you at JHU until recently? |
| 17:38.49 | paulproteus | Yes, *especially* HTC. |
| 17:38.57 | paulproteus | brocktice, Yes... are you Brock? |
| 17:38.57 | Disconnect | remember. gsm allows -any- gsm phone. the security is not in the phone. the network security is in the NETWORK. |
| 17:39.01 | brocktice | Yep yep |
| 17:39.08 | paulproteus | Oh my God, blast from the past! |
| 17:39.09 | paulproteus | (-: |
| 17:39.12 | brocktice | Never did come to any more ACM meetings. Busy being a grad student. |
| 17:39.13 | Foxdie | HTC are very hackable :) |
| 17:39.14 | ttuttle | small world, etc. |
| 17:39.25 | jbq | Disconnect++ |
| 17:39.27 | ttuttle | Foxdie: /me has enjoyed the G1 (my only HTC phone) so far. |
| 17:39.37 | Foxdie | I've had a couple |
| 17:39.48 | paulproteus | I have a few HTC phones, but I always buy them unlocked with the i-Mate brand. |
| 17:39.48 | Foxdie | HTC Universal, HTC Artemis, HTC BlueAngel... |
| 17:39.56 | paulproteus | Universal, Magician. |
| 17:40.00 | Foxdie | :) |
| 17:40.06 | Foxdie | still got your uni? |
| 17:40.09 | loke | ok, time to go to sleep. it's late |
| 17:40.11 | paulproteus | We can chat in #htc-linux if you want (-: |
| 17:40.17 | Foxdie | I'm already in there ;) |
| 17:40.24 | Foxdie | (one of my idle channels) |
| 17:40.27 | paulproteus | Yeah, thought you looked familiar (-: |
| 17:40.29 | ttuttle | loves the G1, but wishes the screen was more high-res and the keyboard had more substantial key travel and stuff. |
| 17:40.30 | Disconnect | the only security the g1 needs to worry about is it's own - data leak and commercial apps, etc |
| 17:41.01 | Foxdie | okay, question, how can I get access to the G1 to flash these files? |
| 17:41.19 | andyross | thinks ttuttle is asking for an N810, not a phone... |
| 17:41.25 | paulproteus | I feel like Google's tiny non-free parts are there solely to taunt me. |
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| 17:41.39 | Foxdie | paul, nirvana |
| 17:41.53 | Foxdie | its something not to taunt you, but something for you to work towards |
| 17:41.56 | paulproteus | At first, I thought, "Well, a useful Linux phone, but no root access. Confound them!" Now it's "A useful Linux phone with root, but I have to agree to the Distributor Agreement and pay $25 and become part of the Marketplace?". |
| 17:41.56 | Disconnect | andyross: fyi the format is 'rgb' :) |
| 17:42.06 | Foxdie | if you had everything right there dude you'd get bored of it pretty quickly |
| 17:42.17 | Foxdie | at least this way, you've got little titbits to look forward to :) |
| 17:42.39 | ttuttle | paulproteus: Wanna see some of the top-secret proprietary code? |
| 17:42.40 | Foxdie | thats the positive spin I put on it in my head at least, hehe |
| 17:42.42 | paulproteus | It makes me feel like a moron; either I compromise now in the hopes that Google is actually reasonable tomorrow, or I don't compromise and I gain nothing. |
| 17:42.49 | jbq | paulproteus: there's a third option: help the OpenMoko porting effort. No Market developer agreement there, and you'll have Android with root. |
| 17:42.49 | ttuttle | paulproteus: "int i;" |
| 17:43.11 | ttuttle | jbq: Is that porting Android to OpenMoko devices? |
| 17:43.14 | paulproteus | jbq, Right, except they only have GPRS. But point taken. |
| 17:43.36 | paulproteus | I do have a FreeRunner, and as soon as power management works on it I'll just use it and shut up probably (while muttering quietly about GPRS data speeds). |
| 17:43.49 | jbq | ttuttle: yes. I brought over some changes from the internal repository to git last week to help bootstrap official support for ARMv4T in Android. |
| 17:44.01 | ttuttle | jbq: Cool. |
| 17:44.06 | ttuttle | jbq: Are they decent phones? |
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| 17:44.37 | paulproteus | Except GPRS-only for data, it's quite decent, if a little big. |
| 17:44.48 | paulproteus | It's quite livable, except when there are software issues. |
| 17:44.50 | jbq | ttuttle: I feel that they're a step below the G1, but $399 for a fully-unlocked device isn't that bad. |
| 17:45.02 | ttuttle | jbq: Yeah, like the ADP1 :) |
| 17:45.15 | Foxdie | brocktice, can you tell me how I flash / do whatever with this recovery image? |
| 17:45.23 | Foxdie | I've got the phone plugged in by usb to my mac now |
| 17:45.31 | Foxdie | its mounted the SD card as a removable drive |
| 17:45.41 | Foxdie | I've got both AndroidMod.xxx and update.zip on my desktop ready to use |
| 17:45.59 | brocktice | Foxdie, it's on the xda developers site somewhere. |
| 17:46.12 | brocktice | I've done it about a month ago but I'm not enough of an expert to tell you offhand. |
| 17:48.10 | brocktice | Foxdie: http://tinyurl.com/69qw3b |
| 17:48.11 | jsharkey | ooh there are dev devices! =D prolly already discussed in here last nite tho |
| 17:48.21 | Foxdie | cheers, looking now |
| 17:48.23 | ttuttle | jsharkey: There are! |
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| 17:48.29 | orospakr | weird, my Dev Phone 1 order seems to have disappeared entirely. |
| 17:48.34 | Disconnect | infobot: devphones |
| 17:48.34 | infobot | i guess devphones is a phone with magical powers and will make all your wildest dreams come true. You can read about them here: http://code.google.com/android/dev-devices.html - in order to buy one, you have to pay a $25 to be in the "developer club" and then you can get into the back room where they keep them behind a curtain of lava. very expensive to ship outside the US, or sporting this: http://tinyurl.com/54sxg2, or http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/7 |
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| 17:48.49 | brocktice | orospakr, disappeared where? |
| 17:48.55 | brocktice | *from where |
| 17:49.01 | orospakr | no charge on the credit card, and nothing on the tracking page. |
| 17:49.04 | orospakr | it was there yesterday... |
| 17:49.12 | brocktice | infobot: androidmod |
| 17:50.20 | brocktice | orospakr, Shipping tracking? Did you already get a number? |
| 17:50.33 | orospakr | argh, I wish I had actually printed the confirmation page. |
| 17:50.35 | jsharkey | i wonder if the dev phones omit the google-apps, and just have emulator apps |
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| 17:52.45 | jbq | jsharkey: the ordering page says that the google apps are there as well. |
| 17:53.07 | bgupta | Foxdie: You prolly want this.. http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root_UK (Sorry wandered off for lunch) |
| 17:53.18 | ttuttle | is so happy to see that people will get dev phones. |
| 17:53.45 | bgupta | Disconnect RGB888, is 8-bits per channel, yeah? |
| 17:53.51 | Disconnect | yah |
| 17:53.59 | jsharkey | oh awesome ^.^ if only i had an address to ship it to lul |
| 17:54.06 | ttuttle | jsharkey: Where are you? |
| 17:54.08 | BluesLee | ttuttle: is there a big price diff between the dev phones and the normal ones? |
| 17:54.12 | jsharkey | i have to give back my current device before dec31 :( |
| 17:54.17 | jbq | ttuttle: yeah, it took some significant effort, so it's good to see that the effort isn't wasted. |
| 17:54.21 | orospakr | BluesLee, if you live anywhere else but the US, yes. :P |
| 17:54.25 | ttuttle | budwaa: There's not. |
| 17:54.27 | ttuttle | budwaa: whoops |
| 17:54.30 | ttuttle | BluesLee: There's not. |
| 17:54.32 | jsharkey | ttuttle: drove into bay area last nite |
| 17:54.39 | ttuttle | BluesLee: An unlocked G1 and an ADP1 both cost $400. |
| 17:54.58 | BluesLee | orospakr: so where is the advantage? |
| 17:54.58 | ttuttle | s/unlocked/unsubsidized/; |
| 17:55.03 | Disconnect | ttuttle: in the usa. international shipping is super rediculously high |
| 17:55.07 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Ah. |
| 17:55.11 | Disconnect | it can easily pass $600USD total |
| 17:55.15 | ttuttle | Disconnect: That's absurd. |
| 17:55.16 | BluesLee | wow |
| 17:55.22 | ttuttle | Disconnect: /me heard it was customs fees/taxes. |
| 17:55.23 | Disconnect | (and actually, its $425 for the ADP1 in the usa..) |
| 17:55.33 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Yeah, but you're likely to use the $25 anyway. |
| 17:55.41 | BluesLee | +taxes+shipping to europe |
| 17:55.45 | jbq | ttuttle: customs, taxes, fees, fees on the taxes, taxes on the customs, customs on the shipping fees... :( |
| 17:55.49 | Disconnect | ttuttle: depends on whether you are making apps (no need for ADP1) or platform... |
| 17:55.49 | ttuttle | jbq: :( |
| 17:55.53 | ttuttle | Disconnect: True. |
| 17:56.13 | ahaberlach | Yeah, it sounds like we need some international distributors. |
| 17:56.17 | ahaberlach | But it's a start. |
| 17:56.17 | orospakr | I ordered it yesterday, and the whole thing came to about $800CAD (more than $600USD). Now Brightstar doesn't know about the order id, which perhaps is just as well because I had some buyer's remorse anyway. ;) |
| 17:56.19 | BluesLee | in other words no real advantages |
| 17:56.23 | ttuttle | BluesLee: No! |
| 17:56.28 | ttuttle | BluesLee: You can flash your own bootloader! |
| 17:56.32 | ttuttle | BluesLee: (And the back cover looks AWESOME.) |
| 17:56.39 | ttuttle | BluesLee: s/bootloader/anything/ really. |
| 17:56.50 | orospakr | yes! |
| 17:56.50 | ttuttle | BluesLee: (What I was trying to say is the bootloader is unlocked, so you can flash anything.) |
| 17:56.58 | orospakr | the GSM modem is also unlocked. |
| 17:57.01 | ttuttle | BluesLee: The regular G1 won't let you do that easily, or perhaps at all. |
| 17:57.01 | orospakr | use any SIM you want. |
| 17:57.06 | brocktice | orospakr, Where can you check order status? |
| 17:57.08 | ttuttle | BluesLee: Oh yeah, that too -- no SIM lock. |
| 17:57.14 | brocktice | I didn't see anything like that. |
| 17:57.17 | BluesLee | ttuttle: i guess a developer can unlock the bootloader himself |
| 17:57.29 | ttuttle | BluesLee: Why would you guess that? |
| 17:57.33 | ttuttle | BluesLee: It's not true, AFAIK. |
| 17:57.38 | orospakr | brocktice, go to the Android Market, go to order a phone, and then when you're on the brightstar page, there should be a track order option at the top. |
| 17:57.48 | BluesLee | i read that someone ported debian lenny to the g1 |
| 17:57.52 | ttuttle | BluesLee: I mean, it may be hackable. |
| 17:57.55 | ttuttle | BluesLee: Yeah, with root access. |
| 17:58.00 | Disconnect | damn. wasn't there a set of utils out there for modifying the initrd? |
| 17:58.02 | ttuttle | BluesLee: But a stock G1, purchased now, is not hackable. |
| 17:58.07 | ttuttle | (AFAIK) |
| 17:58.32 | brocktice | orospakr, Ah, that wasn't taking me anywhere before but now it is. Thanks. |
| 17:58.33 | bgupta | BluesLee: Not easily... you need a root exploit to even attempt it.. so far you need a phone with rc29 or lower installed to exploit.. all known exploits are closed with rc30+ |
| 17:58.36 | Disconnect | ttuttle: um. i can flash anything. seriously, get past it. anyone with root can flash the engineering spl, same one on the adp1 |
| 17:58.39 | BluesLee | i dont own a g1, why the hell it has no root access?:-) |
| 17:58.45 | ttuttle | Disconnect: *with root* |
| 17:58.56 | ttuttle | Disconnect: BluesLee does not have a G1, so cannot get root, since it will likely come with RC30, right? |
| 17:58.59 | orospakr | brocktice, ah, it did something like that to me the first time I tried to navigate to it today. |
| 17:59.13 | Disconnect | reportedly most of them come with rc28 still. but the factory is shipping rc30. so eventually.. |
| 17:59.16 | brocktice | orospakr, yeah it doesn't show my order either. |
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| 17:59.21 | brocktice | Hmm |
| 17:59.24 | ttuttle | Disconnect: The fact that RC29 and before had an exploit does not mean "the G1 is rootable". It means "*some* G1s are rootable", and fewer as time goes on. |
| 17:59.37 | brocktice | I did print my order conf. It's the same thing I got in the email, basically. |
| 17:59.38 | BluesLee | ttuttle: i have a freerunner;-) |
| 17:59.42 | orospakr | heh, I guess I'll wait until Monday to see what's going on, if I'm not the only one with this problem. |
| 17:59.43 | Disconnect | but again, there is a way to revert. it'll get released eventually. |
| 17:59.48 | ttuttle | BluesLee: Nice. |
| 17:59.55 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Do you know it? |
| 17:59.57 | brocktice | "You haven't ordered anything yet" |
| 18:00.08 | Disconnect | ttuttle: yep. seen it work. |
| 18:00.11 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Nice! |
| 18:00.16 | BluesLee | ttuttle: not sure if it is so nice ... struggling here and there |
| 18:00.21 | bgupta | ttutle: I would be surprised if this is the one and only root exploit ever... however the incentive to keep finding the exploits has greatly been lowered now that dev devices are available... |
| 18:00.28 | ttuttle | bgupta: Yeah. |
| 18:00.52 | orospakr | bgupta, heh, I bet that was at least part of the reason why they decided to release dev devices. :) |
| 18:00.55 | ttuttle | So, let me revise my statement. The ADP1 is intended for development, so you won't have to perform any voodoo to get in. The G1 is not. |
| 18:01.07 | ttuttle | orospakr: They just didn't want devs to have to root their phones, since ideally they won't be able to at all. |
| 18:01.15 | ahaberlach | Oh, we always wanted to release dev devices... |
| 18:01.38 | ttuttle | goes to grab lunch. |
| 18:01.50 | bgupta | I beleive google just needed some time to get the dev devices going.. and didn't want to steal any of t-mobile's launch thunder. |
| 18:02.17 | BluesLee | maybe there are too many of those devices and nobody wants them, hehe |
| 18:03.03 | BluesLee | are there any statistics how many g1's are sold? |
| 18:04.56 | BluesLee | okay, what about portability |
| 18:05.10 | bgupta | Personally, I think that rather than having seperate devices.. there should be an offical method to convert G1s to dev devices.. eg: A factory unlock code, that would allow phones to be updated with the eng. firmware, similar to carrier sim unlock codes.. IE: It shouldn't be restrictive, and should allow just about anyone who owns a G1 to update it, if they are technically proficient.. |
| 18:05.21 | BluesLee | on which devices besides the freerunner android is ported? |
| 18:05.31 | Disconnect | bgupta: we've got that, if they are techincally proficient enough to keep root :) |
| 18:05.36 | bgupta | I suspect the main reason they don't do this is fear of a slew of bricks going back to t-mobile |
| 18:06.09 | bgupta | Disconnect: LIke you said factory is shipping with rc30 now.. so no we don't |
| 18:06.22 | bgupta | WEll you and I do. |
| 18:06.27 | Disconnect | retail is still selling rc28 or even rc18 |
| 18:07.03 | ahaberlach | Err, RC28 and RC19, IIRC. |
| 18:07.10 | ahaberlach | hopes there's no RC18s out there. |
| 18:07.34 | bgupta | Alright.. let me restate. We shouldn't have to rely on an exploit to do this. It should be blessed, and kept as an ability going forward. |
| 18:07.36 | BluesLee | does google provide special dev tools to access those dev phones? |
| 18:07.48 | ahaberlach | Same tools should work. |
| 18:07.50 | bgupta | yes |
| 18:07.58 | Disconnect | BluesLee: part of the source code build |
| 18:07.59 | bgupta | (Fastboot) |
| 18:08.08 | BluesLee | okay |
| 18:08.21 | Disconnect | at some point they will release an nbh (full system flash) for the adp1 that has all the goog utils and such too |
| 18:08.26 | bgupta | fastboot is really cool... DIsconnect blogged about it last night |
| 18:08.47 | BluesLee | up to date i only tried out the emulator and flashed once android on the freerunner, latter not ready yet |
| 18:09.13 | bgupta | fastboot: http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/8 |
| 18:09.17 | BluesLee | bgupta: how long it takes to boot the system? |
| 18:09.33 | Disconnect | first boot on the emulator takes forever, after that its fast |
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| 18:10.05 | nebuntu | hello all |
| 18:10.11 | bgupta | not so long... if you are already running... but look at what fastboot can do.. it's an easy way to flash the device from your PC... |
| 18:10.27 | bgupta | and look at device variables, etc. |
| 18:10.45 | bgupta | e.g. you can update teh slash screen's using fastboot |
| 18:10.54 | BluesLee | bgupta: similar to dfu-util |
| 18:11.04 | bgupta | s/teh slash/the splash/ |
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| 18:11.42 | bgupta | I suppose. I'm not familiar enough with the openmoko stuff to say for certain. |
| 18:11.56 | binarybeats | hello does anyone know what filesystems android has default support for? |
| 18:12.35 | jbq | binarybeats: yaffs2, fat, and a few "system" filesystems. |
| 18:12.58 | jbq | well, actually android itself doesn't care that much, that's really an issue of kernel config. |
| 18:13.03 | binarybeats | I was hoping there'd be a way to avoid the 4GB file limitations of fat32 |
| 18:13.06 | BluesLee | bgupta: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Dfu-util#Phrasebook |
| 18:13.31 | binarybeats | maybe format my sd cards with ext3 or similar |
| 18:13.46 | bgupta | It certainly supports vfat (FAT32 and yaffs2 at the very least.. |
| 18:13.52 | jbq | binarybeats: with a dev device, you could recompile the kernel with support for some other filesystem for the SD card, just be sure to disable all permissions on it. |
| 18:14.29 | BluesLee | does someone know about portability to other htc phones like the htc touch hd? |
| 18:15.00 | bgupta | BluesLee: There is a port to the "SPrint Touch" let me find link to doc |
| 18:15.10 | Foxdie | um help |
| 18:15.10 | ahaberlach | I think the touch uses the same chipset, so the kernel stuff shouldn't be too tough. |
| 18:15.17 | ahaberlach | You'll want an on-screen keyboard, though. :) |
| 18:15.21 | Disconnect | bgupta: what is the method for flashing logo? |
| 18:15.30 | Foxdie | I tried to boot my phone into recovery mode after installing the recovery.img |
| 18:15.38 | Foxdie | by holding down home and power (end key) |
| 18:15.52 | Foxdie | now all I"ve got is a exclaimation mark with a phone |
| 18:15.58 | Disconnect | thats recovery mode |
| 18:16.00 | BluesLee | sprint touch=htc touch pro? |
| 18:16.01 | Disconnect | hit alt-l |
| 18:16.21 | BluesLee | too many of them out there |
| 18:16.29 | Foxdie | okay I did that, I see yellow text |
| 18:16.35 | Foxdie | "android system recovery utility using test keys" |
| 18:16.43 | bgupta | Disconnect: "./bin/fastboot flash splash1 android_boot_black.rgb565" |
| 18:16.44 | Foxdie | "can't open /cache/recovery/command" |
| 18:16.59 | bgupta | (splash1 being a named partition) |
| 18:17.01 | Disconnect | right. thats recovery mode. if you put update.zip on the sd card, you can use alt-s (iirc? alt-u?) to flash it |
| 18:17.04 | Disconnect | bgupta: rock |
| 18:17.20 | Foxdie | I did do yes |
| 18:17.24 | bgupta | you should update your blog post. |
| 18:17.29 | Foxdie | but I haven't completed the boot.img |
| 18:17.37 | Disconnect | yah i will |
| 18:17.39 | Foxdie | I'm not sure how to do that, do I do that in recovery mode? |
| 18:17.50 | Foxdie | if so, how? I was using a telnet app on the phone |
| 18:17.59 | Disconnect | Foxdie: you don't you do it by mounting it as usb and copying the file to the sd card. |
| 18:18.06 | Disconnect | go back to that keeping-root wiki page |
| 18:18.14 | Foxdie | it is on there |
| 18:18.24 | Foxdie | on the SD card I have the testkeys recovery.img |
| 18:18.27 | Foxdie | and the boot-nosecure.img |
| 18:18.27 | BluesLee | bgupta: okay, i found it |
| 18:18.41 | Foxdie | and the latest RC8 (RC30) cracked ver saved as update.zip on the SD card |
| 18:18.47 | Foxdie | oh and the busybox binary |
| 18:18.59 | Disconnect | Foxdie: ok then you can do the update.zip upgrade (its in teh yellow text i think its alt-s) |
| 18:19.10 | Foxdie | okay, yes I know I can do that at this point |
| 18:19.16 | bgupta | Foxdie: You prolly want to read the US keeping root doc as well it is much more thourogh if I recall. |
| 18:19.35 | Foxdie | but this page; http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Replace_Recovery_Partition - is telling me I need to install the boot image |
| 18:20.08 | Disconnect | its part of the update.zip |
| 18:20.17 | Foxdie | ok, so I can skip that step? |
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| 18:20.49 | bgupta | Disconnect: Are you sure you can skip? I thought you needed to do that so you could install the update with the test keys? |
| 18:21.01 | Disconnect | bgupta: he's in recovery with testkeys arleady |
| 18:21.06 | bgupta | ah.. |
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| 18:21.34 | Foxdie | that I am, but it seems I've got to flash_image boot /data/local/boot.img |
| 18:21.42 | Disconnect | does fastboot honor partition sizes? |
| 18:22.11 | Foxdie | by using a command called abd shell, I'm guessing abd shell is a dos command that connects over USB to the device |
| 18:22.17 | bgupta | Disconnect; My sense is that the partition sizes are baked into the loader and the android source. |
| 18:22.23 | Foxdie | but I'm on a mac, so I'm not sure what I need to do next :) |
| 18:22.34 | Disconnect | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root |
| 18:22.40 | Foxdie | I've done the keeping root page |
| 18:22.47 | Foxdie | oh |
| 18:22.49 | Foxdie | sorry I tell a lie |
| 18:22.50 | Disconnect | did you do the alt-s? |
| 18:22.54 | Foxdie | I've done the root thing |
| 18:22.54 | alansj|away | Foxdie: you need to download the sdk and use adb from there |
| 18:22.56 | Foxdie | (busybox) |
| 18:22.58 | alansj|away | works in terminal on os x |
| 18:23.03 | jbq | LOL i never realized that there's a class called "BoringLayout" in the official Android API! |
| 18:23.13 | Disconnect | jbq: lol |
| 18:23.17 | Foxdie | ahh okay, so the tool is in the SDK |
| 18:23.25 | bgupta | Disconnect: I haven't verified yet though... |
| 18:23.29 | Foxdie | Disconnect seems to think I can skip boot.img flashing though |
| 18:23.39 | Foxdie | and go straight to installing update.zip |
| 18:23.48 | alansj|away | it might be inside the update.zip, can't remember |
| 18:23.54 | alansj|away | if you aren't sure, take a look inside the zip |
| 18:24.13 | Foxdie | ahh yes |
| 18:24.21 | Foxdie | there's a boot.img in the RC8 update.zip |
| 18:24.24 | Disconnect | its inside the zip. read that page - recovery.img (where yo are now) lets oyu flash everything else (including boo) |
| 18:24.25 | Disconnect | boot |
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| 18:25.09 | Foxdie | hmm, the boot.img thats in the RC8 update.zip and the one that comes as part of the recovery mode zip differ in size |
| 18:25.26 | bgupta | Disconnect: The UK keeping root doc is much more sparse... I see foxdie's confusion. |
| 18:25.51 | Disconnect | hmm. fastboot needs a "get partition" command. |
| 18:25.52 | Foxdie | the one in update.zip was modified on the 13th nov, the one in the recovery image zip was modified on the 6th nov |
| 18:25.56 | bgupta | oh wait |
| 18:26.24 | bgupta | Disconnect: Check it out: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root_UK |
| 18:26.42 | bgupta | WE really should merge the two docs. |
| 18:26.49 | Disconnect | yah |
| 18:27.08 | Disconnect | its very sparse, however its correct. "To install, download the modified UK RC8 rename the file to update.zip, put it on the sd card, and reboot the phone into recovery mode (home + power). Once the recovery mode comes up, press alt+L to turn on the text display, and alt+S to apply the update." |
| 18:27.13 | Foxdie | please do, it feels as if a lot of assumptions have to be made |
| 18:27.35 | Foxdie | from my perspective as a first time G1 owner, doing this with little information is very intimidating |
| 18:27.43 | bgupta | I have to do stuff with the kids soon, but if no one gets around to today, I'll take a stab at updating the doc.. |
| 18:28.04 | Foxdie | heh, family man by day, android guru by night? ;) |
| 18:28.10 | Disconnect | Foxdie: for now, just use the other keeping root page but the uk update.zip |
| 18:28.17 | bgupta | Foxdie: Look at the US instructions... they are more verbose. |
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| 18:28.36 | Foxdie | ok :) |
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| 18:29.38 | Disconnect | ok so i'm concerned. the 512x512 logo.rle i've got is 520k. the one on the g1 is 52k. what did i miss? |
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| 18:29.56 | Disconnect | if its straight rgb888 its a bitmap. so it'll be the same size no matter what content. |
| 18:31.06 | alansj|away | what is the logo.rle you've got? |
| 18:31.19 | Foxdie | okay, flashing it now with alt+S |
| 18:31.28 | alansj|away | rle is compressed fwiw |
| 18:31.36 | jbq | The built-in logo is 320x480 565 compressed IIRC. |
| 18:31.52 | alansj | correct |
| 18:31.54 | Foxdie | what logo is this? making a new bootup logo? |
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| 18:32.17 | jbq | That's the G1 logo in the G1 (not the android logo with the pulsating droid). |
| 18:32.31 | Foxdie | ahhh |
| 18:32.32 | Disconnect | ok i see part of my problem. what i thoguht came from initrd actually came from a botched convert command earlier. doh. |
| 18:32.38 | Foxdie | ooh, ready to reboot, /me cross finger |
| 18:33.32 | Foxdie | oh, now there's an icon of a chip with a dotted arrow |
| 18:33.43 | brocktice | progress! |
| 18:33.46 | Foxdie | I'm guessing thats the flashing |
| 18:33.56 | Foxdie | and now its rebooted properly |
| 18:33.58 | Foxdie | ^_^ |
| 18:34.07 | Foxdie | yeah that "G1" logo is hideous |
| 18:34.25 | benley | fortunately you shouldn't need to see it very often |
| 18:34.33 | benley | (did they use a different logo in the UK build?) |
| 18:34.46 | Foxdie | its just the word "G1" |
| 18:34.50 | Foxdie | and then the t-mobile logo below it |
| 18:35.06 | Foxdie | now I had an android with a pulsating logo |
| 18:35.09 | Foxdie | *have |
| 18:35.13 | andyross | And, IIRC, absolutely no antialiasing. It looks like something someone would have thrown up on an Apple ][ screen. |
| 18:35.45 | benley | you're referring to this? http://www.flickr.com/photos/kalebdf/2963106787/ |
| 18:36.06 | Foxdie | god no |
| 18:36.07 | jbq | Gah, maybe I should do something with my week-end instead of working :( |
| 18:36.08 | Foxdie | its worse than that benley |
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| 18:36.36 | Foxdie | okay I"ve booted up, the build number shows TC5-RC8 |
| 18:36.57 | benley | Foxdie: I guess I haven't seen the screen you've got then |
| 18:37.00 | brocktice | jbq, Isn't that what weekends are for? |
| 18:37.23 | jbq | brocktice: lol. I guess I have very long week-ends then ;-) |
| 18:37.30 | bgupta | jbq: Don't blame you for "working", the G1 is shaping up to be one of the coolest hobbyist mobile platforms out there... |
| 18:37.47 | Foxdie | okay question |
| 18:37.48 | Disconnect | jbq: lol |
| 18:37.52 | bgupta | jbq: I would have difficulty drawing the line between work and fun.. |
| 18:37.59 | Foxdie | I've installed RC8 now and as such, can't simply type in telnetd on the G1 |
| 18:38.02 | Foxdie | how do I start it now? |
| 18:38.07 | jbq | bgupta: well that''s what's happening to me right now. |
| 18:38.23 | Disconnect | Foxdie: you don't. use the sdk and run 'adb shell' to be root. or install a terminal app and use 'su' |
| 18:38.23 | xsdg | bgupta: I can assure you that the distinction is pretty straightforward for some things jbq deals with :o) |
| 18:39.01 | bgupta | Yeah I'd image hanging out on IRC falls squarely in the realm of "having fun" |
| 18:39.01 | Foxdie | "Terminal Emulator" in the marketplace? |
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| 18:39.16 | jbq | xsdg: if every line I type doesn't start with "p4" or "git" it's not "work", right? |
| 18:39.23 | xsdg | jbq: haha |
| 18:39.27 | xsdg | goes to break the build |
| 18:39.54 | jbq | goes to spread pushpins and loctite on xsdg's chair. |
| 18:39.57 | Disconnect | wow. $260 shipping to canadia. |
| 18:40.06 | Disconnect | Foxdie: yah |
| 18:40.24 | bgupta | Disconnect: You need a test RGB image to test with? RyeBrye put one together last night... I can send it to you. |
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| 18:40.52 | Disconnect | bgupta: that'd be sweet. make sure i have the right filesize and such. (the flash partitions are on the spl side, and i don't trust it not to overwrite something i might need) |
| 18:41.42 | xsdg | Disconnect: it's pretty easy to check; it's 480x320 pixels at 2 bytes per pixel |
| 18:42.46 | bgupta | Found where RyeBrye posted it: http://www.ryebrye.com/images/android_boot_black.rgb565 |
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| 18:43.57 | alansj | also, you can always test it by making a boot image with initlogo.rle in it and see if that shows up on boot |
| 18:44.29 | bgupta | http://www.ryebrye.com/images/android_boot_image.jpg Is a JPG of it with a blue background... |
| 18:44.37 | alansj | I am assuming that if it works there then it would work in the bootloader |
| 18:45.33 | Disconnect | knows what got f'd up. 888 not 565 |
| 18:45.33 | xsdg | I'll just point out quietly that you shouldn't really be using the stylized android font |
| 18:46.20 | bgupta | Disconnect.. for imagemagick to get an rgb888 file you can run: convert in.png -depth 8 rgb:outfile |
| 18:46.40 | Disconnect | right. but i need 565 |
| 18:46.45 | bgupta | Still trying to figure out if iumagemagick can convert to rgb565... RyeBrye ended up using Gimp |
| 18:46.47 | brocktice | xsdg But the logo is okay? |
| 18:46.57 | xsdg | brocktice: yes, green droid is ok |
| 18:47.03 | alansj | you just start with rgb888 and run it through to565 |
| 18:47.07 | andyross | The rle565 format is a google special. There's a converter in the source release somewhere |
| 18:47.44 | alansj | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443431 |
| 18:48.12 | alansj | note, correct flag is -rle, not -r |
| 18:48.32 | Disconnect | cool it worked. |
| 18:48.52 | bgupta | Which worked? RyeBrye's image, or to565? |
| 18:48.53 | Disconnect | i figured out what was wrong, simple enough to fix once i stop screwing up with imagemagick |
| 18:49.22 | Foxdie | awesome |
| 18:49.26 | Foxdie | it works :) |
| 18:49.27 | Foxdie | thankyou all |
| 18:49.33 | TiberiumX | Any way to force the Music application to rebuild its database? I've fixed a lot of ID3 tags, but it retains the old values. |
| 18:50.02 | xsdg | TiberiumX: it should pick them up again automagically |
| 18:50.10 | alansj | Foxdie: perhaps you would like to make the wiki instructions better |
| 18:50.14 | xsdg | TiberiumX: but try opening and closing the sd card door (also, is your device plugged into a computer?) |
| 18:50.15 | bgupta | TiberiumX: Just a guess but shouldn't switching SD Cards cause it to reindex? |
| 18:50.45 | Foxdie | alansj, I think bgupta said he'd do that |
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| 18:51.18 | Foxdie | bgupta, for your reference, I installed the recovery image but NOT the boot image, I then flashed the UK update.zip |
| 18:51.24 | TiberiumX | I'll try remounting the SD card, but I would have expect that to work when it remounted after I copied the new files over with my PC. |
| 18:51.35 | bgupta | Yeah.. but for now I have to run.. If someone hasn't done it by the time I get back tonight I will take care of it.. |
| 18:51.40 | xsdg | TiberiumX: is your device currently plugged into a computer? |
| 18:51.42 | Foxdie | the UK update.zip sets up busybox, removes the certs to prevent OTA updates |
| 18:52.06 | TiberiumX | Nope |
| 18:52.25 | xsdg | TiberiumX: did you make sure to unmount the device from your computer after changing the tags? |
| 18:53.03 | TiberiumX | Yep. It claimed to be syncing the files before it unmounted. |
| 18:53.14 | bgupta_away | alansj: I will update the docs tonight.. |
| 18:53.29 | xsdg | hmm... |
| 18:53.51 | xsdg | TiberiumX: maybe try rm'ing a file, make sure it goes away in the Music app, then re-add it and see if it shows up with the right metadata |
| 18:54.14 | xsdg | TiberiumX: if that works, file a bug. If it doesn't work, there's likely some other issue (possibly two ID3 tags, if it's an mp3) |
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| 18:55.29 | TiberiumX | xsdg: Yeah, that was my next move. I was hoping there was an easy way. But it SHOULD pick up ID3 changes? |
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| 18:55.43 | xsdg | TiberiumX: I've never tried it, but it definitely should |
| 18:58.53 | Disconnect | ok added the update.zip and splash1 stuff to the fastboot page |
| 18:58.56 | Disconnect | infobot: fastboot |
| 18:59.19 | Disconnect | infobot: fastboot is a reflash protocol for android devices |
| 18:59.20 | infobot | Disconnect: okay |
| 18:59.49 | Disconnect | infobot: fastboot is also source code at http://tinyurl.com/57nusq |
| 18:59.50 | infobot | Disconnect: okay |
| 19:00.01 | Disconnect | infobot: fastboot is also cheatsheet at http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/8 |
| 19:00.02 | infobot | okay, Disconnect |
| 19:00.23 | ttuttle | infobot: fastboot is also fast |
| 19:00.24 | infobot | okay, ttuttle |
| 19:00.28 | ttuttle | (it's true) |
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| 19:12.29 | Disconnect | infobot: logo.rle is http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/9 |
| 19:12.29 | infobot | okay, Disconnect |
| 19:14.48 | brocktice | Anyone know what Failure [-11] is from adb install? |
| 19:15.27 | jsharkey | dangit, first scratch on g1 screen :( |
| 19:16.08 | brocktice | jsharkey, so it's not invincible? |
| 19:16.15 | Disconnect | jsharkey: http://hellotxt.com/l/fhHh (disclaimer, thats my affiliate link) |
| 19:16.34 | wastrel | scratch you say |
| 19:16.45 | wastrel | you should have kept it in the case |
| 19:16.51 | wastrel | is anyone still using that case? |
| 19:17.09 | brocktice | wastrel, I use it when I throw the phone in my gym bag |
| 19:17.13 | brocktice | protects it from my keys |
| 19:17.31 | brocktice | Otherwise my left pocket is dedicated to my phone. |
| 19:17.36 | brocktice | Was before the G1 as well. |
| 19:18.48 | Disconnect | jsharkey: my xp (and a couple others) is that you can cover and disappear minor scratches with the screen protector. i bought (but prolly won't use) the full body cladding |
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| 19:21.58 | jsharkey | oh cool thx for like |
| 19:22.01 | jsharkey | link |
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| 19:24.39 | Disconnect | jesus christ. can someone -please- unsubscribe xaviar (with a shotgun if necessary) from android-*?? |
| 19:24.53 | jbq | lol |
| 19:25.10 | jbq | There are a few others I wouldn't mind moderating a bit. |
| 19:25.14 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Who's xavier? (I'm not on the mailing lists.) |
| 19:25.29 | jbq | ttuttle: you don't want to know. really. |
| 19:25.33 | ttuttle | jbq: Okay. |
| 19:25.50 | jbq | ttuttle: he's proof that a human could fail the turing test. |
| 19:25.56 | ttuttle | jbq: Ah. |
| 19:26.05 | Disconnect | ttuttle: http://groups.google.com/groups/profile?enc_user=zdz4RxYAAADaoPEp-ibExScG6SnvSCGjo4cocwWvDVg2RHsu8f1bCg |
| 19:26.22 | ttuttle | Facepalm. |
| 19:26.30 | JesusFreke | so, anyone wanna buy my G1 before I return it to T-mobile? last chance :D |
| 19:26.42 | ttuttle | JesusFreke: How much, and why are you returning it, and is it unlocked? |
| 19:27.14 | JesusFreke | $400, because I'm getting a dev phone, and I no, but I can easily get the unlock code. |
| 19:27.22 | ttuttle | Ah. |
| 19:27.26 | JesusFreke | ($400 incluing free shipping) |
| 19:27.27 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Wow, what an idiot. |
| 19:28.14 | Disconnect | ttuttle: most recently he entered my world in an argument about whether at&t had any non-3g service, whether an iphone had a sim, and why it would need on e when it is an ipod with over 10,000 apps. |
| 19:28.22 | ttuttle | Disconnect: WOW. "I Phone does not have a SIM...I thought that iphone was also an ipod and has over 10,000 apps what is the point of a sim?" |
| 19:28.23 | jbq | We should rename him Xavier "PEBKAC" Mathews. |
| 19:28.33 | ttuttle | jbq: Can you seriously just get him banned from all Google services? |
| 19:28.50 | Disconnect | jbq: i'll pay. we'll ALL pay. consider it a contribution to the betterment of android. seriously. |
| 19:29.09 | _Lunch | How do you programatically enable/disable bluetooth? |
| 19:29.12 | JesusFreke | remind me not to get on jbq's bad side :) |
| 19:29.27 | ttuttle | Yeah, I'll throw in some money. |
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| 19:32.39 | Disconnect | random side note, continuing to read the lists, we could -easily- install apps on sd (with security support) if selinux was used instead of this hashed-up uid/gid thing. :( but NIH is often a driving force.. |
| 19:33.27 | jbq | it's already hard enough to deal with plain linux, if we had to force every OEM to go with selinux things would be even harder on that front. |
| 19:34.10 | Disconnect | how do you figure? |
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| 19:35.28 | SanMehat | jbq: selinux is just a bunch of super tight security policy extensions in the kernel |
| 19:35.38 | Disconnect | and i'm sure tmobile is just -thrilled- at the multiple huge breaches of security on this thing :) properly configured, selinux makes root a moot point. and since (so far) nobody has managed to break in via the recovery image, it'd still be safe if read/write to /dev/mtd* was banned |
| 19:36.03 | SanMehat | Disconnect: you have a point re: selinux, and i'm looking into it. |
| 19:36.34 | Disconnect | another random topic change, just for amusement.. is there any chance at all that cacert.org root certs will be included in the stock images? (jf is gonna add it to his branch, but..) |
| 19:36.49 | Disconnect | hey. i just had a thought. jf is no longer a hacker. now he's an android producer. sweet. he's all legit and stuff now. :) |
| 19:36.55 | SanMehat | If you have specific knowledge about selinux, perhaps we should start talking about doing it together :) |
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| 19:38.15 | jbq | I continue to be risk-averse when it comes to merges, and 4-way merges are much harder than the 3-way merges we've got to deal with today (and history has proven that 3-way merges were a major pain to deal with). |
| 19:38.17 | ahaberlach | Disconnect : If a legitimate certificate authority wants to be in production devices as a root, they should initiate a conversation with security@android.com |
| 19:38.23 | brocktice | Oh man I've seen that guy before... |
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| 19:39.26 | Disconnect | SanMehat: i have worked with it a bit in the past, and am generally familiar with it. |
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| 19:39.41 | brocktice | Could he be trolling? |
| 19:39.55 | Disconnect | brocktice: xaviar? no, he's just a moron. |
| 19:40.09 | jbq | brocktice: I can't give him that much credit. |
| 19:40.10 | Disconnect | (ok he's a kid, but he's also dumb. he'll get older, but i doubt he'll get smarter.) |
| 19:40.43 | SanMehat | Disconnect: well do me a favor and email me your thoughts and lets get a dialog going. |
| 19:42.16 | Disconnect | SanMehat: my hacking time (and energy) is real variable these days but i would like to see some of the NIH stripped out, esp when it comes to security (upstream testing...) (as far as time, the long and short is 4 knee surgeries this year, one more in feb/mar, PT 3x a week until at least aug/sept) |
| 19:42.58 | ahaberlach | Although after glancing at cacert.org, I'm not sure they're a sufficiently trusted authority. |
| 19:43.15 | brocktice | Disconnect, What'd you do, tear your acl? |
| 19:43.31 | SanMehat | well i dont see how relying on unix uid/gid security and process separation thats in all unixes 'nih' in regards to security. |
| 19:43.34 | Disconnect | before i start a big mess, can someone explain, for real, why toolkit is better than busybox? esp as we start needing more daemons (dhcpd is my first hit, although there are others. cp would be nice. :) ..) |
| 19:43.58 | SanMehat | however, you raised good points with selinux so i'm interested in adding that support potentially. |
| 19:44.07 | SanMehat | i'm not interested in getting into a debate about NIH |
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| 19:44.22 | SanMehat | i'm just interested in getting good code in and improving things. |
| 19:44.25 | Disconnect | brocktice: reconstructive surgery (move the patella tendon attachment on the shin) and it got infected, etc. right now my quad isn't especially attached. so.. meh. |
| 19:44.36 | brocktice | Yikes |
| 19:44.51 | SanMehat | good luck on the surgeries |
| 19:44.55 | brocktice | Ditto |
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| 19:45.09 | Disconnect | SanMehat: i'm not looking for a debate. but seriously, we need stuff from busybox (unless you have the spare capacity to write and test a dhcp daemon..? :) ..) but all I've gotten is "you weren't here for the discussions" |
| 19:45.19 | brocktice | Is there a non-ghetto G1 accessory retailer? |
| 19:45.37 | SanMehat | well for thoes ones *I* wasn't there.. it predates my involvement in the project |
| 19:45.42 | Disconnect | thanks for the best wishes tho :) |
| 19:45.59 | jbq | whistles "GPL GPL GPL" though he wasn't here for the discussions either. |
| 19:46.02 | SanMehat | np |
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| 19:46.48 | SanMehat | well then just email me a brain-dump about selinux. your experiences would be valuable as i dig into it. |
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| 19:46.56 | SanMehat | and yeah, i'll read the code.. and the docs |
| 19:47.33 | Disconnect | jbq: ..first, its an open source project :) second, so is the kernel, and third, its busybox. its not android/dalvik/gmail.. whats the problem? (and realistically, its almost as large a savings as bluez as soon as you get past the "ls top cat" and into "dhcpd, pppd, init"...) |
| 19:47.43 | Disconnect | sorry, first android is open source i mean |
| 19:47.51 | SanMehat | open source != GPL |
| 19:47.59 | SanMehat | open source > GPL |
| 19:48.12 | SanMehat | open source[] = {"GPL", "BSD", ... }; |
| 19:48.24 | Disconnect | SanMehat: erm. not really, since tmob has effectively closed-sourced their g1 fork. |
| 19:48.31 | benley | SanMehat: Invalid Syntax |
| 19:48.34 | SanMehat | benley: DOH |
| 19:48.56 | SanMehat | ^5's benley |
| 19:48.57 | Disconnect | isn't arguing that apache is a bad license for android - i think it is, but gpl would prevent adoption in that space, so... |
| 19:49.39 | SanMehat | yup. |
| 19:49.53 | Disconnect | rather, apache/bsd is a great license for android. its personally not my favorite license because of the bsd aspects :) |
| 19:50.00 | SanMehat | anyways, send me that email when you have time. your brain may contain a useful nugget of information which will be usefull in my studying of selinux. |
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| 19:51.42 | ttuttle | wants to make a custom boot screen for his G1, but can't figure out what to put on it. |
| 19:51.46 | Phlogi | can anyone that is registred on market buy that dev phone? |
| 19:52.05 | brocktice | ttuttle, How about the Terminator? He's an android. |
| 19:52.12 | ttuttle | brocktice: Meh. |
| 19:52.35 | brocktice | androids[] = {"Terminator", "C-3PO", "G1", ... }; |
| 19:52.36 | Disconnect | SanMehat: you saw the video of hitachi showing android on a zaurus with selinux right? |
| 19:52.46 | brocktice | Disconnect, where's taht? |
| 19:52.48 | brocktice | that even |
| 19:53.08 | Disconnect | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2yWDvcWu6I |
| 19:53.34 | brocktice | Ah, I was using the wrong search terms. Thanks. |
| 19:53.42 | kirberich | Phlogi, yeah, as soon as you registered as a dev and payed the 25 bucks you can order one |
| 19:53.52 | SanMehat | sorr guys, gotta go for a bit.. |
| 19:53.55 | SanMehat | time to walk the dog |
| 19:53.57 | brocktice | later SanMehat |
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| 19:54.10 | TiberiumX | Any API way to change the camera shutter speed (which could then be corrected for by increasing brightness/contrast)? I see where it sends parameters to it (like jpeg-quality), but I don't see a list of available parameters. |
| 19:54.14 | Phlogi | kirberich: damn now I feel totally fucked up :D... I mean I ordered one some weeks ago... damn !! |
| 19:54.16 | brocktice | It'll be really cool when the x86 support hits the public git |
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| 19:54.32 | Phlogi | kirberich: and now they sell it in my country... grrr.. |
| 19:54.38 | brocktice | Can't wait to get it on my Eee |
| 19:54.41 | Disconnect | TiberiumX: there is still no api way to do anything with the camera :( |
| 19:54.41 | Phlogi | that news just came one week too late |
| 19:54.44 | kirberich | Phlogi, it's reasonable easy to open the normal g1 so you can use it like a dev phone |
| 19:54.50 | osmosis | how come a google search on mobile will frequently return a empty page?? |
| 19:54.59 | kirberich | took a whole day for that hack to come out, too. |
| 19:55.09 | brocktice | osmosis, I have that problem too. |
| 19:55.10 | Disconnect | ok i gotta go visit a friend in the hospital, be back tonight. |
| 19:55.12 | osmosis | just says... Settings Terms View Google in: Mobile | Class (c)2008 Google. |
| 19:55.13 | brocktice | Refresh gets around it. |
| 19:55.17 | Disconnect | kirberich: actually it took a few weeks. timing was coincidence |
| 19:55.18 | Phlogi | kirberich: thats true... BUT I payed the unlock fee :D and I had to order it via ebay and payed the shipping fee as well |
| 19:55.25 | brocktice | I also have a ton of issues with google reader on the G1. |
| 19:55.25 | xsdg | osmosis: how are you searching? |
| 19:55.28 | brocktice | Frequently errors out. |
| 19:55.34 | Disconnect | the actual work was only a couple days, but dream_kill kept disappearing |
| 19:55.36 | osmosis | xsdg: from the search widget |
| 19:55.44 | brocktice | I suppose I should report these bugs, but I'm not sure whether they're on the G1 or the web services. |
| 19:55.55 | Disconnect | i think he had the image extracted and in hand as early as thurs even :( |
| 19:55.57 | TiberiumX | I'd like a choice between quick/crappy and slow-ass/higher-quality. |
| 19:55.57 | kirberich | Disconnect, oh yeah right |
| 19:55.59 | xsdg | osmosis: on the desktop? hmm. how frequently does it happen? |
| 19:56.17 | brocktice | xsdg, Happens to me probably 50% of searches. |
| 19:56.19 | Phlogi | is skype already availble for android? |
| 19:56.24 | osmosis | xsdg: often. id says 1 of 5. seems to be on the first search at any given time. |
| 19:56.42 | osmosis | xsdg: brocktice just said he gets the same bug. |
| 19:56.58 | xsdg | ok, I'll poke some folks |
| 19:56.58 | osmosis | xsdg: and rightly pointed out that refresh fixes it. |
| 19:57.06 | brocktice | Guess I should try the emulator too |
| 19:57.09 | Disconnect | tmob web services are a disaster. it (no joke) inserted hardcore porn into my comics page the other week. (i kept seeing these frat-party-style dark pics of guys drinking and whatever in random sites, then suddenly WHAM. i don't think sinfest ever did -that- before...) |
| 19:57.16 | xsdg | osmosis, brocktice: can you privmsg me the email address that's associated with your device? |
| 19:57.25 | TiberiumX | osmosis: Same bug here. |
| 19:57.39 | xsdg | TiberiumX: can you privmsg me the email address that's associated with your device too? |
| 19:57.39 | TiberiumX | Yeah, just another click on search fixes it. |
| 19:57.48 | osmosis | xsdg: TiberiumX says the same. sounds pretty common. |
| 19:58.03 | xsdg | osmosis: you don't have to point out what other people are saying |
| 19:58.18 | osmosis | oh okay, wasnt sure if you saw it |
| 19:58.29 | TiberiumX | Wait I get that problem on my desktop searching the API docs. I misheard you. |
| 19:58.38 | TiberiumX | read* |
| 19:58.57 | xsdg | TiberiumX: so, searching on code.google.com? |
| 19:59.02 | TiberiumX | Yep |
| 19:59.12 | TiberiumX | Frequenty no search results until I do it again. |
| 19:59.20 | TiberiumX | Firefox 3.0.1 |
| 19:59.27 | TiberiumX | On Ubuntu <latest version> |
| 19:59.49 | xsdg | TiberiumX: the "I" one? |
| 20:00.22 | TiberiumX | nm, gutsy |
| 20:00.34 | TiberiumX | nm again, hardy |
| 20:00.37 | xsdg | :o) |
| 20:00.40 | TiberiumX | Haha |
| 20:00.49 | brocktice | What is it with the people that complain that google freeloads on bandwidth? |
| 20:01.04 | brocktice | Like you guys aren't paying tons of money for your connections.... |
| 20:01.17 | benley | brocktice: it's a carefully-calculated lie |
| 20:01.21 | brocktice | (Just testing reader on the emulator, sorry it's a little OT) |
| 20:01.55 | benley | ATT is the source of the most recent round of that nonsense |
| 20:02.15 | Disconnect | brocktice: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_neutrality |
| 20:02.46 | brocktice | Disconnect, Yeah I'm familiar with it. |
| 20:02.53 | brocktice | It's just so mind-boggling. |
| 20:03.05 | brocktice | I guess it's not, if you consider motivations. |
| 20:03.06 | Disconnect | http://www.reason.com/blog/show/114955.html |
| 20:03.39 | brocktice | I always liked the ask a ninja net neutrality thing. |
| 20:04.29 | Disconnect | cool |
| 20:04.33 | SplasPood | Disconnect: what page was it you were updating with fastboot info? |
| 20:04.41 | Disconnect | infobot: fastboot |
| 20:04.42 | infobot | fastboot is, like, a reflash protocol for android devices, or source code at http://tinyurl.com/57nusq, or cheatsheet at http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/8, or fast |
| 20:04.59 | SplasPood | danke |
| 20:05.32 | xsdg | osmosis, brocktice: what build are you all running? |
| 20:05.43 | brocktice | RC30, not hacked. |
| 20:05.46 | brocktice | US T-mo. |
| 20:05.48 | SplasPood | Disconnect: is the T-Mobile splash the same format as the initlogo.rle splash? |
| 20:05.52 | xsdg | ::nod:: |
| 20:06.04 | osmosis | xsdg: 116143 |
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| 20:06.23 | Disconnect | SplasPood: http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/9 |
| 20:06.28 | xsdg | osmosis: what branch? |
| 20:06.40 | xsdg | osmosis: or, if you have an RC number, that'd be useful |
| 20:06.46 | brocktice | 116143 here as well. |
| 20:06.57 | Phlogi | can you find BioWallet in market? |
| 20:06.57 | osmosis | xsdg: 1.0 TC4-RC30 |
| 20:07.03 | xsdg | ok |
| 20:07.46 | SplasPood | Disconnect: ye, looks to be the same |
| 20:08.01 | brocktice | xsdg, Just did a vanity search on the G1 and it happened again. |
| 20:08.10 | Disconnect | ok seriously off now, ttyl! |
| 20:08.23 | brocktice | Went home screen -> search button -> typed name -> enter -> blank results |
| 20:08.53 | xsdg | brocktice: ok |
| 20:09.29 | brocktice | Can't get it to happen on the emulator, though. |
| 20:11.34 | xsdg | brocktice, osmosis: this only happens from the desktop widget? |
| 20:11.45 | brocktice | Let me try a few times from the browser directly |
| 20:11.52 | brocktice | But I think it's happened there. |
| 20:11.55 | osmosis | xsdg: i think so |
| 20:12.18 | brocktice | xsdg, Just happened from the browser |
| 20:12.20 | brocktice | Using the search button |
| 20:12.28 | brocktice | oh wait scratch that |
| 20:12.33 | brocktice | this time it eventually loaded |
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| 20:17.51 | brocktice | can't get the browser search to do it. |
| 20:17.55 | brocktice | Tried a lot of searches. |
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| 20:21.53 | xsdg | brocktice: ok; thanks |
| 20:21.54 | ipauldev | I guess I've been out of things for a bit, but I've seen this fastboot, on the G1. Does anyone know if that works on root T-Mobile production devices? |
| 20:22.48 | alansj | it does |
| 20:22.55 | ipauldev | sweet, thanks |
| 20:27.04 | Phlogi | can you find BioWallet in market? |
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| 20:32.09 | xsdg | brocktice, osmosis: if you notice any big changes in behavior (for instance, it starts happening considerably more or less frequently, or the blank page looks different, or something), feel free to send me an email |
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| 20:35.21 | ITechJunkie | what is fastboot? |
| 20:35.27 | ttuttle | !infobot fastboot |
| 20:35.31 | ttuttle | grr |
| 20:35.36 | ttuttle | infobot: fastboot? |
| 20:35.37 | infobot | it has been said that fastboot is a reflash protocol for android devices, or source code at http://tinyurl.com/57nusq, or cheatsheet at http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/8, or fast |
| 20:35.52 | ITechJunkie | oh |
| 20:35.55 | ITechJunkie | thx |
| 20:36.05 | ttuttle | np |
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| 20:50.01 | SanMehat | heh |
| 20:50.02 | SanMehat | back |
| 20:56.57 | AstainHellbring | so is there any dates for other US carriers release of android phones? |
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| 21:10.05 | JesusFreke | astain: haven't heard of any yet |
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| 21:16.32 | hitman | where does android set the PATH from at bootup? |
| 21:20.34 | waldo_ | so if you replace the dev firmware, recovery image, and use rc30 jf version-- does it matter if you have the phone unlocked before/after? |
| 21:20.45 | waldo_ | ie, will an unlocked phone stay unlocked all the way through? |
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| 21:24.02 | hitman | PATH is set in /init.rc |
| 21:25.04 | hitman | oh but when you reboot changes to init.rc are lost |
| 21:28.17 | JesusFreke | waldo: yes. unlocking the phone is completely independent of the android system on the phone |
| 21:30.36 | waldo_ | jesus thanks :) |
| 21:31.06 | waldo_ | btw JF-- I read that you were going to make a 1.3 image that removed some unnecessary debugging files... is this true? |
| 21:31.25 | waldo_ | ie, should I wait before doing all this stuff? |
| 21:31.43 | waldo_ | still has r29 |
| 21:34.13 | JesusFreke | yes. |
| 21:34.24 | JesusFreke | I will strip the binaries in xbin, to save some space |
| 21:34.33 | JesusFreke | (i.e. remove debugging symbols from them) |
| 21:34.50 | waldo_ | cool... |
| 21:34.53 | waldo_ | I'll wati for that... |
| 21:34.55 | waldo_ | wait |
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| 21:37.05 | JesusFreke | it will probably be in a week or 2 waldo |
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| 21:39.02 | waldo_ | JesusFreke: cool.. no hurry.. I'll do the new developer bootloader, modded recovery and firmware all at once. |
| 21:39.18 | waldo_ | for the moment I can still enjoy rebooting by typing"reboot" :) |
| 21:40.54 | JesusFreke | lol |
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| 21:49.39 | blau1 | ive decided to venture forward with allowing people to add items to their dgMoney on their phone via normal web browser! |
| 21:49.49 | blau1 | as my first google app engine project |
| 21:52.37 | unix_infidel | when you guys tested the slide mechanism on the G1...on average, what was the count before failure / breakage? |
| 21:53.01 | jbq | That's really a question for HTC. |
| 21:53.07 | blau1 | never! i dont know if any google people could answer that though |
| 21:53.22 | unix_infidel | jbq: I remember someone in here saying "we tested it extensively" |
| 21:53.44 | unix_infidel | (shot in the dark) |
| 21:54.05 | jbq | We've seen some failures on one set of pre-production devices, always the same kind (the ribbon cable that connects the screen to the body would come unglued on the screen side). |
| 21:55.31 | jbq | As much as I realize that it's hard to realize from outside Google, the work on the G1 (as opposed to the work on Android itself) was conceptually done by a different team that reports to a different director. |
| 21:56.00 | JesusFreke | you mean a different team in google? |
| 21:56.08 | jbq | Yes. |
| 21:56.11 | JesusFreke | or like a team from HTC/t-mob. |
| 21:56.14 | JesusFreke | ah, ok |
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| 21:57.47 | Lenolium | jbq: I have a small favor to ask, can you turn all of the google server's fans so they spin the world backwards and turn back time (I know it works, I saw it in a movie once), and then replace dalvik with a port of V8? |
| 21:58.36 | jbq | There are people who focus more primarily on the platform itself, people who focus more on the Google-specific apps, people who focus more on the back-end servers for Android, and people who focus more on individual devices and partnerships one at a time. |
| 21:58.56 | JesusFreke | makes sense :) |
| 21:59.08 | unix_infidel | hmm, partnerships one at a time. interesting. |
| 21:59.45 | jbq | Lenolium: do you really think that rewriting Android in ECMAscript and running it on x86 would be such a good idea? |
| 21:59.47 | JesusFreke | lenolium, you would actually rather write javascript apps, than java apps? lol |
| 22:00.52 | bgupta_away | JesusFreke: We discovered this AM that since http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root_UK is much sparser than http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root people were getting confused lost when working on the UK devices... Do you have any objections to me combining the two documents? |
| 22:00.53 | Lenolium | jbq: Well, V8 would obviously have to be ported to ARM, and since it spits out machine code, it would give the current java runtime a run for it's money. |
| 22:01.06 | jbq | unix_infidel: that doesn't mean that that entire team works on the same partnership at the same time. But you might have someone e.g. preparing the configuration for the DevPhone whole someone else tweaks the camera driver for the G, etc... |
| 22:01.26 | JesusFreke | bgupta, no probs here |
| 22:01.40 | Lenolium | JesusFreke: Yeah, I'm less and less of a Java fan the more I write in it, it's so verbose I feel like I am studdering. Probably just because I'm a crazy lisp guy. |
| 22:02.01 | jbq | s/G/G1/ |
| 22:02.07 | JesusFreke | well, I'm not a huge fan of java. But I would rather use Java than JavaScript :) |
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| 22:02.34 | chanwitk | hello |
| 22:02.42 | JesusFreke | although TBH, I haven't done much "real" work with javascript either |
| 22:02.45 | bgupta | Lenolium: So what do you think of Clojure? |
| 22:02.47 | JesusFreke | just the occassional webpage script |
| 22:02.57 | Lenolium | JesusFreke: Eh, a proper ecmascript running outside of a browser (with real object support, including inheritance) is actually fairly nice. |
| 22:03.07 | jbq | Once you start to look at multithreaded javascript you get into a world of pain... |
| 22:03.26 | chanwitk | may I ask something about fastboot? |
| 22:03.29 | SanMehat | back |
| 22:03.36 | JesusFreke | go for chanwitk :) |
| 22:03.43 | SanMehat | go ahead |
| 22:03.44 | Lenolium | bgupta: I have not tried it yet, but were it to be ported to dalvik, I'd be very happy. |
| 22:04.02 | bgupta | I'll bet you would be. :) |
| 22:04.12 | SanMehat | chanwitk: whats the question? |
| 22:04.22 | chanwitk | i'm turning on and the phone said serial0 |
| 22:04.39 | chanwitk | i do not know how to establish fastboot connection. |
| 22:04.40 | SanMehat | you're turning it on with the back button held? |
| 22:04.45 | JesusFreke | plug in usb and press the back button |
| 22:04.47 | SanMehat | is it plugged into USB? |
| 22:04.47 | bgupta | hit back |
| 22:04.49 | jbq | I like how ECMAscript has so few types. Like, 6 or 7, and you can't add your own. |
| 22:05.21 | SanMehat | chanwitk: is your device a Retail T-Mobile G1? If it is then your bootloader does not support fastboot. |
| 22:05.22 | chanwitk | i see |
| 22:05.57 | chanwitk | SanMehat: I patched already |
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| 22:06.19 | chanwitk | thanks all :-) |
| 22:06.31 | JesusFreke | got it working? |
| 22:06.43 | SanMehat | chanwitk: i dont know what you're referring to, but if it doesnt say 'fastboot' when you're plugged into USB then the bootloader you have doesnt support fastboot :) |
| 22:08.03 | chanwitk | SanMehat: I see the sketchboard, and it displays serial0. I have to try hitting back like you guys suggest first. |
| 22:08.15 | chanwitk | am I understanding this correctly? |
| 22:08.25 | JesusFreke | yeah. just plug in the usb cord, and press back |
| 22:08.31 | SanMehat | plug in usb |
| 22:08.35 | JesusFreke | the serial0 should switch to fastboot |
| 22:08.46 | SanMehat | if 'serial0' does not change to 'fastboot', then your bootloader is locked. |
| 22:09.02 | chanwitk | thanks again JesusFreke |
| 22:09.06 | chanwitk | i see |
| 22:09.10 | JesusFreke | sketchboard? you mean skateboard? :) |
| 22:09.16 | chanwitk | lol |
| 22:09.18 | bgupta | JesusFreke: Does this now make sense for UK users as well: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root |
| 22:09.25 | chanwitk | right, my bad english. lol |
| 22:09.42 | JesusFreke | but yeah, that's almost definitely the right bootloader then |
| 22:09.54 | chanwitk | i think so |
| 22:09.56 | SanMehat | no |
| 22:10.01 | SanMehat | even the production bootloaders have that |
| 22:10.11 | SanMehat | if you boot them and hold back you get the colorbars |
| 22:10.14 | JesusFreke | production bootloaders don't have a skateboard |
| 22:10.28 | JesusFreke | the 3 skateboarding androids at the bottom.. |
| 22:10.33 | chanwitk | right |
| 22:10.37 | SanMehat | ahhh |
| 22:10.44 | SanMehat | i dont know what the skateboard is |
| 22:11.03 | chanwitk | it's 170k bootloader patch |
| 22:11.08 | chanwitk | i think i got the correct one |
| 22:11.14 | SanMehat | ah ok. |
| 22:11.17 | JesusFreke | san: |
| 22:11.17 | JesusFreke | http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/7 |
| 22:11.19 | SanMehat | well yer on your own then :) |
| 22:11.39 | JesusFreke | yup :) |
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| 22:12.10 | chanwitk | so i have to go offline to try. i'm using the phone for tethering, lol |
| 22:12.37 | SanMehat | cool |
| 22:12.51 | SanMehat | bbl |
| 22:12.53 | chanwitk | will pop in to tell the result later |
| 22:13.09 | chanwitk | see you :-) |
| 22:14.26 | SanMehat | what does your article title mean? |
| 22:14.28 | SanMehat | haha |
| 22:14.43 | SanMehat | cool :) |
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| 22:17.18 | bgupta | Hey any0one know if the factory UK shipping version is called rc7? |
| 22:18.21 | bgupta | JesusFreke? |
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| 22:21.38 | marix | anyone know the physical difference between the g1 and the g1 developers edition, other than the painted backplate? |
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| 22:22.02 | orospakr | marix, developer bootloader, unlocked GSM modem. |
| 22:22.25 | Damm | yep |
| 22:22.34 | Damm | you can put any rom ... have root, etc |
| 22:22.35 | jbq | The dev phone has a slighly different shade of black (!) |
| 22:22.40 | marix | orospakr, any chance we can get that boot loader installed on a regular |
| 22:22.54 | orospakr | no idea. I think someone was working on it. |
| 22:22.57 | Damm | marix, clearly it's possible... it's just a question of getting there. |
| 22:22.58 | jbq | (and different markings, no T-Mobile logo, etc...) |
| 22:23.13 | Damm | jbq, that's a different logo.rle? |
| 22:23.37 | Damm | jbq, does it get OTA updates like the regular T-Mobile G1? or is it manual using testkeys? |
| 22:23.41 | jbq | Most probably. I haven't actually seen a production dev phone. |
| 22:24.17 | Damm | but instead of getting T-Mobile's roms you get developer images |
| 22:24.26 | marix | ota updates are pushed out by the carrier i believe |
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| 22:24.51 | chanwitk1 | hi again |
| 22:25.00 | Damm | ota's are signed by the carrier, but they are downloaded from google |
| 22:25.06 | jbq | Damm: I think that the question of OTA updates is still an open questions. Obviously some developers (purely application developers) might prefer auto-updates, whereas others (the ones more likely to flash the phone on their own) probably want to have more control over what goes on. |
| 22:25.22 | chanwitk1 | i got fastboot on already. |
| 22:25.37 | orospakr | Dang, I can't find a support number/email for brightstar anywhere. It doesn't seem to be listed on the site (my order still appears to be missing). |
| 22:25.42 | Damm | jbq, well put. |
| 22:25.55 | chanwitk1 | but seems it's not working with Linux in VMware (with Windows host). |
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| 22:35.47 | Phlogi | whats the name of that 3d earth app? |
| 22:35.56 | tomh | google earth |
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| 22:36.58 | Phlogi | tomh: hmm can't find anything with earch |
| 22:37.27 | Phlogi | *earth |
| 22:37.29 | benley | I haven't heard of google earth for android being released. |
| 22:37.35 | benley | despite there being an iphone version already. |
| 22:37.46 | GiantTalkingCow | I find that a bit weird. |
| 22:38.03 | Phlogi | whats a good editor? |
| 22:38.14 | orospakr | ahh, found one: android@brightstar.com |
| 22:38.24 | Phlogi | I just saw an earth thing on this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbnrgeBIQeo |
| 22:38.31 | orospakr | er |
| 22:38.36 | orospakr | android@brightstarcorp.com |
| 22:39.36 | Phlogi | any other cool 3d app? |
| 22:39.59 | marix | phlogi, is that a g1 with a lighted trackball? |
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| 22:40.31 | Phlogi | nope |
| 22:40.41 | Phlogi | marix: its the chinese phone |
| 22:40.54 | marix | oh |
| 22:41.00 | orospakr | Phlogi, which phone is that? |
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| 22:41.43 | GiantTalkingCow | I'm a bit surprised more manufacturers haven't looked to make Android phones... |
| 22:41.57 | Phlogi | i6 something from china |
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| 22:42.08 | Phlogi | GiantTalkingCow: hu? There are some :) |
| 22:42.19 | tomh | which other manufacturers will come with android phones? |
| 22:42.29 | Phlogi | http://www.talkandroid.com/435-qigi-i6-android-smartphone/ |
| 22:42.29 | tomh | now only htc and that aussie one right? |
| 22:42.37 | Phlogi | not sure |
| 22:42.41 | GiantTalkingCow | Not too many at the moment, which given the appeal of the platform over WinMo is a bit of a surprise. |
| 22:43.17 | tomh | ye |
| 22:43.20 | GiantTalkingCow | The majority of the stuff is coming out in China, and I'm not sure it'll ever make it over here. |
| 22:43.37 | chanwitk | what's about zzzPhone? |
| 22:43.40 | tomh | well thats good news in a way that the chinese pick android |
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| 22:44.03 | tomh | if they build 500 milion smartphones with android we will have a large userbase for the apps :> |
| 22:44.07 | GiantTalkingCow | For them it is... I'd like a choice when it comes to a phone OS too, you know. |
| 22:45.40 | Phlogi | is there an ssh console clinet for th ephone? |
| 22:45.46 | GiantTalkingCow | On the other hand, this http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10116531-1.html is good news. I hate vendor lock-in. |
| 22:45.49 | Phlogi | tomh: just be patient... |
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| 22:46.05 | teratoma | is there a way to get tethering to work on my g1, after the last OS update ? |
| 22:46.15 | Phlogi | teratoma: which was the last update? |
| 22:46.16 | tomh | phlogi: patience didn't bring linux to the mainstream either.. |
| 22:46.35 | teratoma | Phlogi: my phone OS updated on my g1 magically I think 8 days ago |
| 22:47.18 | GiantTalkingCow | What I'd really like to see is a port of Android to the iPhone. Not just for the "oooh neat" factor, but for the expected hilarious reaction from Apple cultists. |
| 22:47.51 | chanwitk | teratoma: i think you can use tetherbot thru USB |
| 22:48.15 | teratoma | chanwitk: that's what people on the internet say. i think they lie |
| 22:48.54 | chanwitk | teratoma: i've been trying it. it's working fine for browsing |
| 22:49.24 | chanwitk | teratoma: quite high speed, but not stable for IMs |
| 22:49.32 | teratoma | chanwitk: http://graha.ms/androidproxy/Tetherbot.apk wont install on my g1 |
| 22:49.57 | chanwitk | teratoma: you have to enable something first |
| 22:50.13 | Phlogi | teratoma: what version please? |
| 22:50.14 | chanwitk | teratoma: to allow installing apps outside the market |
| 22:50.19 | teratoma | Phlogi: how do i find out ? |
| 22:50.21 | Phlogi | tomh: it did but not on all sectors :p |
| 22:50.23 | teratoma | chanwitk: i did that |
| 22:50.36 | Phlogi | teratoma: settings->about phone |
| 22:50.46 | Phlogi | build number |
| 22:50.55 | chanwitk | teratoma: hmm, strange. |
| 22:51.15 | Phlogi | tomh: anyway linux does not need be on mainstream to be better.. it doesn't just matter |
| 22:51.52 | chanwitk | teratoma: another way is to install it with adb. |
| 22:52.36 | teratoma | Phlogi: kila-user 1.0 TC4-RC30 116143 ota-rel-keys,release-keys |
| 22:52.43 | Phlogi | ok |
| 22:52.47 | tomh | ye true |
| 22:53.00 | tomh | so anyone knows if the dev phone has gps or? |
| 22:53.26 | benley | I expect the dev phone is exactly the same hardware as the G1, only with an unlocked bootloader. |
| 22:53.37 | tomh | ok |
| 22:53.38 | marix | tomh, we havn't seen official specs but i cant see why it would be missing |
| 22:53.52 | tomh | well its not listed in the store as feature |
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| 22:54.48 | brocktice | tomh, it does have gps |
| 22:55.00 | sparkle | Phlogi: what kind of ssh client are you looking for? |
| 22:55.10 | tomh | brocktice: you mailed them or? |
| 22:55.19 | brocktice | tomh, one of the google guys here confirmed it |
| 22:55.29 | tomh | ok cool |
| 22:55.30 | Phlogi | sparkle: just to get normal shell... so I can login on remote machines |
| 22:55.35 | tomh | i might order it then :) |
| 22:55.41 | benley | Phlogi: have you tried ConnectBot? |
| 22:55.51 | Phlogi | benley: nope... let me check it out |
| 22:55.51 | chanwitk | Phlogi: i'm using ConnectBot |
| 22:55.51 | brocktice | Same device different bootloader |
| 22:55.55 | tomh | i would rather get an iphone but, i dont like the tmobile tax :/ |
| 22:55.59 | brocktice | ConnectBot is pretty good. |
| 22:56.06 | sparkle | nods |
| 22:56.09 | benley | indeed, connectbot has gotten good |
| 22:56.11 | chanwitk | it's super cool |
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| 22:56.28 | Phlogi | chanwitk: I can't find that on the market : |
| 22:57.06 | chanwitk | Phlogi: search for ssh |
| 22:57.25 | Phlogi | chanwitk: just tried: no results :S |
| 22:57.36 | eldenz | or capital Connect (capital c)? |
| 22:57.42 | Phlogi | already too |
| 22:57.44 | sparkle | hmm |
| 22:57.45 | Phlogi | no luck... |
| 22:57.45 | eldenz | :\ |
| 22:57.52 | Phlogi | kinda strange... |
| 22:57.52 | sparkle | just browse to http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/ and download the apk |
| 22:58.01 | sparkle | the version there is later and fixes bugs |
| 22:58.03 | Phlogi | is it too new.... |
| 22:58.05 | tomh | mm are the individual apps like mail etc available in source (java) form? |
| 22:58.20 | Phlogi | do you find BioWallet? |
| 22:58.21 | sparkle | and lets you do stuff like disable the notification bar to get more room, etc |
| 22:58.36 | benley | it's able to fix like 80x22 on screen. |
| 22:58.49 | chanwitk | anyone know some working SIP clients? |
| 22:59.17 | Phlogi | would you use an svn snapshot? |
| 23:00.56 | Phlogi | http://androidapplications.com/apps/detail/biowallet |
| 23:02.08 | marix | i thought biowallet didn't exist |
| 23:02.20 | marix | or rather, was a work in progress |
| 23:02.49 | Phlogi | whats the best editor? |
| 23:02.54 | tomh | how do i remove widgets from the home screen? |
| 23:02.59 | Phlogi | marix: ah ok.. what a strange website is that then? |
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| 23:03.08 | Phlogi | tomh: drag them to bottom |
| 23:03.12 | marix | tomh, push and hold on it then drag it to the tab |
| 23:03.25 | tomh | ok thanks |
| 23:03.51 | marix | phlogi, it was part of the android app compitition |
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| 23:05.04 | marix | that site is probably ages old |
| 23:05.08 | Asa_A | I'd like to get a phone I an put android on, but want to stay with AT&T. Where can I find information on which phones are compatible? |
| 23:05.23 | tomh | the dev phone |
| 23:06.02 | marix | asa_A for 3g data, no phones are currently capable on the att network |
| 23:06.17 | Phlogi | marix: three is no site where I can browse the apps online? |
| 23:06.47 | marix | asa_A for edge speed the dev phone would be your best bet |
| 23:07.23 | marix | asa_A or if you wanna try something silly you could buy and open moko for gsm data speeds on a totally open platorm (really not worth it till an onscreen keyboard is setup) |
| 23:07.43 | marix | phlogi, no way to view apps from the appstore w/ out the phone |
| 23:07.57 | marix | www.androidapps.com is good for reviews and vids |
| 23:08.02 | Asa_A | where can I get info on the dev phone? |
| 23:08.18 | teratoma | so how do i plug my g1 in to charge AND connect my g1 to my computer via the usb port at the same time |
| 23:08.21 | tomh | mm how is the UI responsiveness of the iphone vs g1 |
| 23:09.07 | Slackwise | teratoma: Is your USB port unpowered? Because I charge my G1 by plugging it into my desktop. :P |
| 23:09.15 | marix | asa_A https://www.google.com/accounts/ServiceLogin?service=androiddeveloper&passive=true&nui=1&continue=http%3A%2F%2Fmarket.android.com%2Fpublish&followup=http%3A%2F%2Fmarket.android.com%2Fpublish |
| 23:09.59 | marix | teratoma, just plug in into your computer |
| 23:10.24 | teratoma | i take back all the mean things i said about the g1. i got it to give my laptop internet access |
| 23:12.34 | sparkle | chuckles |
| 23:13.38 | Phlogi | maqr: ok |
| 23:13.55 | Phlogi | marix: thanks for the link |
| 23:13.56 | Phlogi | gn8 |
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| 23:14.18 | marix | is taht all it took taratoma? |
| 23:15.52 | teratoma | marix: to give my laptop internet access through the g1 i followed instructions at http://graha.ms/androidproxy/ |
| 23:16.43 | marix | no i mean is that all it took for you to talk back all the mean things |
| 23:17.10 | teratoma | i wish the battery lasted a little longer |
| 23:17.18 | marix | bluetooth and wifi tethering should be coming to the next modified os update. |
| 23:20.56 | teratoma | yeah now i need magical tethering from the g1 to my laptop via bluetooth |
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| 23:21.25 | Gary|tp | bluetooth tethering is stupid |
| 23:21.30 | Gary|tp | don't do it |
| 23:21.40 | marix | your stupid! |
| 23:22.05 | Gary|tp | 1) drains phone battery |
| 23:22.14 | Gary|tp | 2) up to 50% slower than USB tethering |
| 23:22.42 | marix | how do you figure it being 50% slower? |
| 23:22.46 | Gary|tp | on Sprints 3G I'd get 2mb/s USB tethering, 700-900 kb/s bluetooth tethering. |
| 23:22.48 | Damm | USB tethering = socks? |
| 23:22.49 | Damm | correct? |
| 23:23.15 | teratoma | yes |
| 23:23.17 | hmepas_2 | when one of your home ISP goes down and you are noticing that's another backup on not working bcos of payment, and you can't use your internet banking becos web-master-idiot made bank site IE only.... Then Tethering is all you have to get internet and make the payment. |
| 23:23.20 | Damm | Gary|tp, are you doing Bluetooth PAN or Modem? |
| 23:23.28 | sparkle | damm: so far - though with the kernel update to 2.6.27, the new usb framework should support network card emulation over usb |
| 23:23.37 | Damm | Bluetooth modem will always be slower then BT pan. |
| 23:23.55 | Damm | sparkle, nice. question is will end-users see this? or just hackers? |
| 23:23.55 | teratoma | i will never be sad waiting for a plane again |
| 23:24.20 | sparkle | end users will see it once tether support makes it into the official build, most likely |
| 23:24.23 | Damm | I know T-Mobile's tethering policy's are a joke now. |
| 23:24.23 | sparkle | shrugs |
| 23:24.38 | sparkle | t-mobile as far as i know has no real unified tethering policy |
| 23:24.44 | marix | damm, as gfar as i know they don't have one |
| 23:24.48 | Damm | they used to support it no matter what. |
| 23:24.52 | marix | lol yea |
| 23:24.53 | sparkle | nods |
| 23:25.00 | Damm | but they've been disabling tethering on certain handsets |
| 23:25.01 | hmepas_2 | guys any of you have "real tethering" tru bluetooth successfully running? |
| 23:25.05 | chanwitk | it's true that bluetooth PAN is slow |
| 23:25.07 | Damm | (namely 3g handsets) |
| 23:25.11 | sparkle | well |
| 23:25.24 | chanwitk | hmepas_2: i'm using |
| 23:25.29 | Damm | T-Mobile's excuse is tethering on certain 3G phones is crashing them. |
| 23:25.30 | sparkle | how many handsets have shipped supporting tmobile 3g so far? |
| 23:25.37 | Damm | sparkle, about 5-10 |
| 23:25.38 | sparkle | i'm trying to think... |
| 23:25.56 | Damm | mostly cheap pieces of crap that don't have bluetooth |
| 23:26.01 | chanwitk | Bluetooth PAN is slow but far stable than Tetherbot. |
| 23:26.05 | Damm | T-Mobile shoves a new Samsung out every month. |
| 23:26.14 | maqr | looks in |
| 23:26.22 | Damm | or it feels that way. |
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| 23:27.57 | hmepas_2 | chanwitk: i seems to setup everything right, but i am havein 0 recieved packets on PC. While on phone i have recieved packets and tramsmited and recieved on phone exactly equal to transmited from pc. so connection worked but one way. any idea? Bcos i am quite new to all that bluetooth stuff. |
| 23:28.50 | chanwitk | hmepas_2: try ifconfig down, then up again |
| 23:28.59 | hmepas_2 | btw, guys, you having vibrating on your phone when it's booting, right? |
| 23:29.06 | hmepas_2 | chanwitk: hmm. will do. |
| 23:29.58 | Damm | hmepas_2, yes it vibrates on bootup |
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| 23:30.44 | sparkle | i wish we all did |
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| 23:46.51 | hmepas_2 | i am asking about vibrating because of some problem i had. Sometimes my phone became really laggy and start to answer by vibrating on pressing buttons like "Menu", Home, Power, Back. It could be solved via rebooting. I am also seeing "binder" error messages in dmesg. Any one somehow noticed that problem? |
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| 23:47.12 | bgupta | Can someone please review my edits to "Keeping root"? I attempted to update it to include UK instructions in the same doc. http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root |
| 23:47.19 | hmepas_2 | sometimes it's even impossible to unlock it bcos of that, it's just vibrating on each menu button pressing and doing nothing. |
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| 23:49.44 | wpk | hmepas_2: I haven't seen the code, but I guess that the second vibra is for 'buzz' (as in PC 'beep' from pc speaker). That would suggest that keyboard/input buffer is full and noone cares to clean it |
| 23:51.02 | sparkle | hmepas_2: is the handset under heavy load? |
| 23:51.41 | hmepas_2 | wpk: any idea how it's could be sticked to the binder? that's android IPC kernel sub-system. |
| 23:52.08 | hmepas_2 | sparkle: nope. just random situation. Once it's started even when phone was on "unlock sim" screen. so just after loading. |
| 23:52.33 | wpk | hmepas_2: could you connect to phone through adb shell and see if ps is showing something odd? |
| 23:52.35 | hmepas_2 | my goal is to investigate is that hardware problem or it's probably caused by modified RC30. |
| 23:53.17 | hmepas_2 | wpk: right now i am not having that problem didn't meet it today... dunno why. |
| 23:54.33 | hmepas_2 | wpk: as far as i noticed nothing odd was in ipc.. like zombie treads or something. |
| 23:54.46 | hmepas_2 | wpk: will try to have more deep look next time. |
| 23:55.23 | wpk | btw, has anyone tried disassembling HTC bootloader? |
| 23:55.55 | hmepas_2 | wpk: me is too dump for that. |
| 23:56.23 | hmepas_2 | but i think guys who selling unlock codes should know something about that hehe =) |
| 23:57.16 | wpk | hmepas_2: well, I feel fucked in the ass (deeply) by Google |
| 23:57.36 | hmepas_2 | wpk: you got already RC30 phone? |
| 23:57.39 | wpk | hmepas_2: have I known there would be dev phone, I'd never buy T-Mobile |
| 23:57.42 | wpk | hmepas_2: yp :| |
| 23:57.49 | hmepas_2 | wpk: sorry pal. |
| 23:58.08 | hmepas_2 | actually same here, but i was lucky enouth to get in RC19. |
| 23:58.28 | wpk | hmepas_2: I had RC19. But i was dumb enough to upgrade to rc30 :| |
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| 23:58.51 | hmepas_2 | wpk: i am pretty sure however they will let ppl to switch their t-mobile to dev. The time is only question.. |
| 23:59.38 | hmepas_2 | actually russian sucky GRPS network saved my ass =) Phone just would be able to get update fast hehe |
