| 00:00.28 | andyross | isn't even much a fan of GUI design canon, but this is just too clear cut a case to bother arguing with. |
| 00:00.28 | foonixx | andyross: That's a completely ridiculous suggestion :-) |
| 00:06.07 | anno^da_ | Will this class 6 sdhc micro sd card run in the G1? http://geizhals.at/deutschland/a342779.html |
| 00:06.17 | jbq | foonixx: I'm not familiar enough with the whole android UI design to know what would be best, but it seems to me that there should be some kind of message that can go from your network code to your UI code that'd run in the UI thread, so that when receiving that message you'd always be able to know exactly what state your UI is in. |
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| 00:07.17 | eldenz | 25�! |
| 00:07.32 | eldenz | why did i pay ~60⬠for a class2 16G? ;< |
| 00:08.00 | anno^da_ | So the 16GB cards work in the G1? |
| 00:08.11 | eldenz | anno^da_, the sandisk one does |
| 00:08.21 | eldenz | others probably as well |
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| 00:09.09 | sparkle | anno^da_: all the 16's i've seen are slow |
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| 00:09.26 | anno^da_ | Even if they are class 6? |
| 00:10.17 | sparkle | i've not seen any yet but, cool |
| 00:10.42 | anno^da_ | http://www.amazon.de/Transcend-SDHC-Card-16-GB/dp/B0015AOK1O/ref=pd_cp_pc_0/276-6188049-6918726?pf_rd_m=A3JWKAKR8XB7XF&pf_rd_s=center-41&pf_rd_r=06NJDQ1GYNMZQ81GJ0XS&pf_rd_t=201&pf_rd_p=213563291&pf_rd_i=B00192S3XO |
| 00:10.47 | anno^da_ | here is one :-) |
| 00:11.01 | sparkle | no it's not |
| 00:11.04 | sparkle | that's sdhc, not microsdhc |
| 00:11.12 | anno^da_ | ahhh damn :P |
| 00:11.24 | anno^da_ | (I wondered about the price :) ) |
| 00:11.59 | eldenz | ah lol, the other one isn't micro as well ;> |
| 00:12.04 | eldenz | *phew* |
| 00:12.50 | anno^da_ | yeah :-) Im sorry for that error :-) |
| 00:14.09 | anno^da_ | http://www.amazon.de/SANDISK-MICROSD-16-GB-SDSDQ-016G-E12M/dp/B001GM2VN0/ref=sr_1_9?ie=UTF8&s=ce-de&qid=1228349507&sr=1-9 <- here is one but no class classification |
| 00:14.27 | eldenz | that's the one i have |
| 00:14.39 | eldenz | i saw it listed as class2 somewhere |
| 00:15.31 | ralfx | Does anyone know which platform I can use to test the IME? In cupcake I see only English, I though there was chinese too. |
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| 00:15.44 | anno^da_ | Ok so I have to look for class 6 8gb cards since I cant find any class 4-6 16GB cards |
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| 00:16.34 | sparkle | anno^da_: i have an A-data brand one, i'm pretty happy with it |
| 00:16.37 | sparkle | and it was cheap |
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| 00:17.41 | andyross | My SanDisk 16G card shows about 6MB/s transfer (just doing a time dd ... of=/dev/null). |
| 00:17.48 | mpardo | TextView.setText("blah") isn't changing the text. Do I need to update the view or something? |
| 00:18.20 | jasta | mpardo: no, you do not. |
| 00:18.23 | eldenz | andyross, i just checked with hdparm, says 4.84 MB/sec buffered reads |
| 00:18.57 | mpardo | hmmm does it matter that i'm setting the text within a timer task? |
| 00:19.18 | anno^da_ | sparkle: it must be this one: http://www.alternate.de/html/product/Speichermedien_microSDHC/A-DATA/microSDHC_8_GB/308520/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Speichermedien&l2=Secure+Digital |
| 00:19.21 | eldenz | i'm curious how it compares to a class6.. |
| 00:19.43 | eldenz | what class is the 1GB that shipped with the G1? |
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| 00:22.08 | eldenz | but anyway, while being in the phone it doesn't really matter whether it's class2 or 6 now, does it? |
| 00:22.22 | eldenz | *accessing it from the phone os |
| 00:22.27 | luok | yeah i'm wondering why it matters..this freakin phone is slloooooowwww |
| 00:22.37 | anno^da_ | Well if we will be able to install apps on the sd card in the future it could matter |
| 00:25.03 | Decavolt | is there a best-practice optimal amount of free space on the G1 (the device itself, not the SD card) to keep it speedy? |
| 00:25.45 | RyeBrye | the only thing I've noticed that keeps my G1 speedy is rebooting it every dat |
| 00:25.47 | RyeBrye | err day |
| 00:25.58 | Decavolt | Yah, I've been doing the same. |
| 00:26.21 | Decavolt | hell of a change from what I'm used to with my old Nokia... uptime of 6 months at a time. |
| 00:26.48 | luok | starting to wish my treo 650 never kicked the bucket :( |
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| 00:27.32 | Decavolt | My nokia was great, but I wouldn't go back for anything. |
| 00:27.34 | pohamir | sparkle: infernix, thanks for the info, got the debian userland and that iptables script up and running, only had to write a couple wrappers in sh |
| 00:27.52 | infernix | nice |
| 00:27.56 | pohamir | i'll look into that ad-hoc thing next, prolly tomorrow |
| 00:28.01 | infernix | i hope to get my rc28 in a week |
| 00:28.10 | pohamir | lol i closed out my embarq dsl today too |
| 00:28.17 | andyross | FWIW: I haven't noticed any real performance degradation over time. No doubt there are some bad apps out there, but just running the built-in software stack and doing a decent bit of development I don't find I need to reboot to "speed up" the G1. |
| 00:28.36 | pohamir | infernix: herm, mine is rc29, is that okay? lol i haven't read too much about the firmwares yet |
| 00:28.54 | luok | hm well i'm thinking about swapping bronze for black, so i will probably start fresh |
| 00:28.58 | luok | stupid bronze keyboard ! |
| 00:29.02 | infernix | pohamir: you should install the custom rc30 before the OTA update kills you root |
| 00:29.06 | Decavolt | Mine's not dragging ass or anything, but I can easily see myself maxing out storage. Just like a PC there has to be an optimal threshold of free space it "likes" |
| 00:29.16 | andyross | And note that I've done a pretty fair bit of staring at performance on the phone, having never caught an app doing something dumb. At worst, you tend to see garbage collections at odd times in the logcat. |
| 00:29.26 | pohamir | infernix: where do i get that? rs or torrent? |
| 00:29.32 | pohamir | infernix: does it work with tmobile? |
| 00:29.33 | infernix | pohamir: http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=448 - read the sticky posts |
| 00:29.40 | pohamir | okay |
| 00:29.55 | fadden | Decavolt: it's not swapping, so space on the internal flash shouldn't cause a slowdown |
| 00:30.14 | fadden | Failures, maybe, but not just a slowdown. :-) |
| 00:30.15 | Decavolt | good to know andyross |
| 00:30.26 | Decavolt | really? It doesn't swap at all? Wow. |
| 00:30.32 | andyross | fadden: it kinda is swapping, in the sense that it can eject disk-based mapped pages. I've seen it stall reading in code before. |
| 00:30.43 | Decavolt | that certainly changes things |
| 00:30.44 | fadden | andyross: paging rather than swapping |
| 00:30.55 | andyross | Yes yes, but with the same performance characteristics. |
| 00:31.12 | fadden | We've seen some fairly pathological paging performance when things get tight, though I think we got that under control before ship. |
| 00:31.41 | fadden | andyross: not quite the same -- you have to flush a dirty page to disk before you can eject it from physical memory |
| 00:31.51 | fadden | We never do that, so anything we want to unload can be tossed immediately. |
| 00:32.09 | pohamir | infernix: lol, wish i had all this info before i did the debian userland ;> |
| 00:32.14 | luok | hm reboot sped things up considerably |
| 00:32.19 | luok | guess i've got some cleaning to do |
| 00:32.22 | infernix | pohamir: i was rather surprised you didnt know yet :) |
| 00:32.31 | fadden | luok: do you have / can you run "adb shell top" ? |
| 00:32.55 | infernix | pohamir: in any case, i would really suggest to rename otakeys.zip |
| 00:32.56 | pohamir | heh sparkle gave me that debian userland link, and i just did that, then i got that like for the iptables & wifi, and threw that on there :D |
| 00:33.12 | pohamir | infernix: where is that? |
| 00:33.26 | pohamir | haven't found it in that thread yet |
| 00:33.26 | infernix | pohamir: read the stickies, the info is there. also might want to look at modmygphone.com |
| 00:33.30 | luok | fadden: yeah once i'm at home, but i'll have to wait for it to bog down again |
| 00:33.32 | pohamir | okay |
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| 00:33.57 | infernix | pohamir: given the fact that i havent done it yet (my current is rc30) i can't help from experience |
| 00:34.59 | snadge | is it going to be possible to add tethering via usb to the g1? |
| 00:35.16 | pohamir | downloading them now |
| 00:35.24 | jasta | snadge: thats possible now, by use of a SOCKS proxy |
| 00:35.25 | grey- | snadge: mmm or bluetooth. |
| 00:35.29 | snadge | its just annoying that the htc tytn ii, can do it via usb or bluetooth |
| 00:35.32 | grey- | snadge: mmm or 802.11! (: |
| 00:35.34 | jasta | snadge: and without root |
| 00:35.57 | snadge | of course.. the tytn ii also crashes all the time, and runs winmo |
| 00:36.15 | luok | sounds like its up to tmobile and i don't see why they'd want to allow it |
| 00:36.30 | jasta | ...as i said, it's possible now with a SOCKS proxy implemented as an android app |
| 00:36.33 | jasta | which does exist |
| 00:36.34 | snadge | having said that.. im currently in the back seat of an suv in los angeles somewhere, tethered to one via bluetooth.. on an laptop |
| 00:36.36 | florz | any hints where to find an arm sqlite3 binary in order to put it onto an RC29 G1? |
| 00:36.51 | jasta | florz: pull one off the emulator |
| 00:37.02 | snadge | cool, i might go with the socks proxy option then for now |
| 00:37.32 | jasta | its a limited approach of course, but really what did you plan tod o with your EDGE/3G data connection other than browse the web and use other simple TCP protocols? |
| 00:37.58 | Slackwise | Host a web server...? :P |
| 00:38.02 | snadge | all i care about really is web browsing and ssh, so yeah.. you are right |
| 00:38.06 | andyross | True (router) tethering is possible right now for rooted phones. Requires hand configuration though, there's no management app written. |
| 00:38.33 | snadge | my g1 is unlocked.. that doesnt mean the same thing as "rooted" i take it? |
| 00:38.40 | jasta | Slackwise: which you could not do with an EDGE or 3G connection on any carrier i've ever heard of. |
| 00:39.00 | Slackwise | jasta: The ":P" denotes sarcasm, unless you're just being pedantic for kicks. |
| 00:39.09 | jasta | snadge: the point is, a SOCKS proxy approach is not a hack. it's just an app, running as any other on the phone. |
| 00:39.31 | jasta | it could also be made to work neatly over wi-fi if you want it wireless, and even bluetooth once those apis come out |
| 00:39.33 | andyross | "unlocked" generally means you can use it on a non-T-Mobile network. "rooted" means you have the ability to run code as root on the phone, generally because you installed one of the modified flash images before upgrading to RC30 |
| 00:39.33 | snadge | right.. true nat would be a bonus, but its not essential for me |
| 00:39.59 | snadge | let me check what revision i have |
| 00:40.15 | sparkle | eldenz: the sdcard speed makes a huge difference |
| 00:40.23 | sparkle | especially if you are running a unix userland off of it |
| 00:40.43 | snadge | i have RC28 |
| 00:40.55 | snadge | is that the one with the "shutdown" bug? :P |
| 00:40.57 | eldenz | sparkle, ;) |
| 00:41.04 | Damm | if you have rc28 you can install JF's rooted RC30 |
| 00:41.05 | andyross | Good. When it asks you to upgrade, say no. And go check out the instructions for reflashing. |
| 00:41.06 | Damm | and stay rooted |
| 00:41.29 | snadge | i havn't enabled a data connection on it yet.. i just use wifi for the moment |
| 00:41.31 | eldenz | sparkle, and what if not? then it probably makes an almost nil difference |
| 00:41.41 | sparkle | and heh jasta |
| 00:42.00 | Decavolt | sorry if I missed this in the scroll, but does it need to be rooted in order for SOCKS proxy tethering to work? |
| 00:42.05 | sparkle | if you don't demand anything of it, you won't notice anything from it |
| 00:42.14 | andyross | No. SOCKS can be done in pure userspace with no root access needed. |
| 00:42.48 | andyross | (although the current SOCKS solutions won't run over bluetooth, you need to do port forwarding with adb or the like) |
| 00:42.50 | Decavolt | ah, great. Thanks andyross. I'm on rc30 unrooted. |
| 00:42.56 | offby1 | jbq: thanks |
| 00:43.07 | sparkle | oh i remember |
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| 00:43.18 | sparkle | the comment about - browsing the web and using simple stuff |
| 00:43.19 | andyross | Heh, where "current" SOCKS solutions means the solutions that aren't, you know, "current" :) |
| 00:43.26 | Damm | awaits the way to get root back so we can get rooted for us post RC30 folks (or RC30 actually) |
| 00:43.33 | sparkle | i've had smartphones for years and none of them blinked at tethering or proxying their connections |
| 00:43.50 | Damm | sparkle, well T-Mobile's awkward lately |
| 00:43.51 | snadge | im not sure who to blame.. t-mobile or google |
| 00:43.57 | Damm | I blame T-Mobile |
| 00:44.08 | andyross | guesses Google just didn't get the feature finished. The bits and pieces are all there, and TMO sells other smart phones with tethering IIRC. |
| 00:44.25 | sparkle | t-mobile sells a bunch of handsets that support tethering - though to be fair, they were probably worried about their 3g network getting overloaded |
| 00:44.26 | snadge | will it be available as a free upgrade though in the future |
| 00:44.31 | Damm | andyross, actually they're disabling it on certain handsets |
| 00:44.40 | andyross | sighs... |
| 00:44.45 | Decavolt | yeah, it has to be coming pretty soon. It's too big of a feature to just leave out |
| 00:44.47 | pohamir | what is this adb thing sparkle ? |
| 00:44.58 | Damm | pretty much their 3G handsets can barely do tethering, if at all... |
| 00:44.58 | sparkle | android debug bridge? |
| 00:45.06 | pohamir | o |
| 00:45.08 | snadge | i cant wait until theres non t-mobile handsets :/ |
| 00:45.10 | Damm | starting to sell more handsets that lack tethering |
| 00:45.11 | sparkle | well |
| 00:45.16 | sparkle | tmo always let you take other handsets in |
| 00:45.26 | sparkle | i usually had nokia communicators and the like |
| 00:45.30 | pohamir | sparkle: do i need that to image it? or can i copy the stuff over manually? |
| 00:45.40 | sparkle | you don't actually need adb at any step in the process |
| 00:45.42 | sparkle | but it can be handy |
| 00:45.54 | pohamir | okay |
| 00:46.32 | luok | is tethering possible on rc30 ota updated g1? |
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| 00:46.57 | Decavolt | sounds like it is luok |
| 00:47.05 | Damm | only socks |
| 00:47.08 | luok | ah k |
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| 00:48.57 | sparkle | honestly, when i think about the whole fear-of-bandwidth-hogs problem |
| 00:49.09 | sparkle | i'd be perfectly fine with them charging by the megabyte |
| 00:49.22 | snadge | im going to put JF's RC30 on mine.. wheres the howto to enable tethering on that? (iptables im assuming) |
| 00:50.08 | sparkle | do you want to connect via 802.11 or bluetooth? |
| 00:51.09 | andyross | Yes. iptables for routing and pand for the bluetooth side. Disconnect did the work, his writeup is at: http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515 No doubt someone's done some scripting around this already, but those instructions work. |
| 00:51.50 | andyross | (note the other hole is a missing DNS server -- you'll need to set one up manually on the tethered host) |
| 00:51.59 | andyross | tethered client, rather |
| 00:52.04 | snadge | i see.. and no usb support im assuming either |
| 00:52.43 | andyross | You could run packets over an adb port forward, but you'd need to write some code for that (or wrap a pppd, about which I know nothing) |
| 00:53.16 | snadge | does the socks option work with usb? (im assuming thats what adb is) |
| 00:53.54 | sparkle | right - adb is just used as a convenient conduit for data |
| 00:54.19 | jsharkey | andyross: there is a nice firefox setting to tunnel dns over socks |
| 00:54.37 | jsharkey | network.proxy.socks_remote_dns in about:config |
| 00:54.39 | snadge | on an unrelated note, the roads in los angeles are terrible.. using a laptop in the back of an suv is starting to make me feel sick |
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| 00:57.27 | Decavolt | gah, just rebooted and now I'm getting spammed with txt messages saying myFaves is unavailable. Which is great, since I don't have or use myFaves in the first place. |
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| 00:58.46 | foonixx | Decavolt: I saw that as well. |
| 00:58.57 | anno^da_ | Decavolt: If you need an image without the MyFavs crap use the UK RC8 update. |
| 00:59.06 | anno^da_ | (the modified one) |
| 00:59.24 | anno^da_ | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=445544 |
| 00:59.26 | Decavolt | It's never done that before this latest reboot. So I'm going to assume (i.e. hope) it's some network fubar that'll go away |
| 00:59.34 | Decavolt | but I'll check that link for sure, thanks anno^da_ |
| 00:59.36 | snadge | is there a way to activate/register the phone after a reset.. without using a t-mobile sim? |
| 00:59.39 | anno^da_ | no problem |
| 01:00.07 | anno^da_ | snadge: you can register/activate it without a T-Mobile Sim |
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| 01:00.27 | snadge | i've got the lady who sold me my g1's email address in mine.. and im too scared to reset it, to put my details into it.. because when we first unboxed the phone, it kept coming up with this error that the sim was not provisioned for data or some such |
| 01:01.04 | anno^da_ | Just do the registering process this will fail since the phone only knows T-Mobile APNs |
| 01:01.24 | anno^da_ | After the failing you can press the menu button and get to the APN settings |
| 01:01.37 | anno^da_ | and add your APN according to your carrier |
| 01:02.01 | anno^da_ | After that the G1 can connect to the internet and the registering process succeeds |
| 01:02.42 | anno^da_ | (I've done that yesterday) |
| 01:03.00 | snadge | i'll give that a try when i get back to australia.. which is in about a week |
| 01:03.22 | snadge | in the meantime, i think i'll leave RC28 on it.. i just dont want to brick the thing |
| 01:03.37 | anno^da_ | If you need some pictures: http://modmygphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3201 |
| 01:03.52 | jbq | snadge: just be sure to only browse sites that you trust well. |
| 01:06.49 | pohamir | infernix: okay the modded rc30 is on it |
| 01:06.57 | pohamir | i wonder if it got rid of my iptables script |
| 01:07.22 | pohamir | prolly, that was the only one i didn't back up :< |
| 01:07.35 | florz | any idea what might be causing telnet sessions to a g1 to regularly go dead? |
| 01:07.52 | pohamir | i don't know but mine did that on rc29 |
| 01:08.02 | sparkle | florz: they just do that |
| 01:08.06 | sparkle | the telnetd falls over easily |
| 01:08.07 | pohamir | also, after a direct reboot, i have to run telnetd twice to get it to start |
| 01:08.11 | snadge | hmm.. so at&t 3g doesnt work with unlocked g1? |
| 01:08.17 | pohamir | no |
| 01:08.23 | pohamir | differnt freqs |
| 01:09.01 | bradleyy_ | am I the only one who has the real RC30 (no root, boo!) |
| 01:09.10 | infernix | no |
| 01:09.11 | infernix | :) |
| 01:09.12 | Decavolt | I do bradleyy_ |
| 01:09.37 | bradleyy_ | I think we should start a support group |
| 01:09.41 | eugene | morning andy lovers |
| 01:09.48 | bradleyy_ | I'm bradley and I have rc30 |
| 01:09.48 | infernix | RC30A |
| 01:10.01 | florz | hmmm, ic ... any (easy) alternatives to the telnetd that's on there |
| 01:10.02 | florz | ? |
| 01:10.05 | infernix | hi bradley, thanks for sharing |
| 01:10.12 | pohamir | time would be better spent looking for a sploit |
| 01:10.14 | bradleyy_ | hah |
| 01:10.15 | pohamir | :] |
| 01:10.25 | sparkle | florz: sshd :) |
| 01:10.27 | bradleyy_ | agreed, any progress? |
| 01:10.40 | pohamir | luwlz i am on a mod rc30 now, no need :D |
| 01:11.01 | infernix | would really just be for the best to figure out how to use the HTC bootloader |
| 01:11.14 | infernix | and flash DREAIMG.NBH from SD |
| 01:11.26 | florz | sparkle: is there any easy-to-deploy binary somewhere? =:-) |
| 01:11.30 | luok | bradleyy_: what the heck do we need it for anyway! |
| 01:11.47 | bradleyy_ | thought the HTC bootloader isn't available on the g1 |
| 01:11.53 | infernix | it is |
| 01:11.59 | bradleyy_ | I need it so I can implement a PPTP VPN |
| 01:12.09 | infernix | but its different as the other htc devices |
| 01:12.11 | infernix | eg no USB |
| 01:12.15 | bradleyy_ | for luok |
| 01:12.17 | pohamir | lol now how do i get root? |
| 01:12.35 | pohamir | i didn't read that far on the mod rc30 :\ |
| 01:12.38 | bradleyy_ | no usb, does it support the sd card? |
| 01:12.46 | infernix | pohamir: su, or with adb |
| 01:13.04 | pohamir | frikken win |
| 01:13.15 | infernix | best to replace su |
| 01:13.18 | infernix | see sticky threads @ xda |
| 01:13.29 | pohamir | lul it completely disregards my root password from debian |
| 01:13.34 | pohamir | okay |
| 01:14.38 | bradleyy_ | so has anyone been looking at the htc bootloader? |
| 01:14.57 | bradleyy_ | jtag pins (I know someone has taken one apart) |
| 01:14.59 | bradleyy_ | ? |
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| 01:35.23 | infernix | its in one of the xda threads, but not thoroughly |
| 01:37.53 | snadge | it just makes me laugh that one of androids "features" is its openness |
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| 01:38.19 | snadge | yet you still have to "jailbreak" it, if you want full access |
| 01:38.39 | jbq | snadge: don't confuse android and the G1 - they're totally different beasts. |
| 01:39.16 | snadge | fair enough yeah.. but reading the information about the modded RC30, is enough to just put me off.. at least i know not to update to official RC30 |
| 01:39.40 | snadge | i think the best strategy is to just leave it alone.. and install the socks proxy if i want to share net |
| 01:39.48 | luok | but its part of the design of android for the user to not get root access? |
| 01:39.50 | jbq | I agree that it's unfortunate that the only android device available today isn't open enough for some good deep development and experimentation. |
| 01:39.53 | luok | or is that t-mobile's bidding |
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| 01:40.18 | jbq | luok: it's part of the design to be possible. It's an easy setting to switch. |
| 01:40.22 | unix_infidel | snadge: what about RC30? |
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| 01:40.40 | Decavolt | even so, it's still much more open than the iPhone and many other. "open" != root |
| 01:40.56 | Decavolt | *otherS |
| 01:41.03 | luok | agreed |
| 01:41.18 | snadge | yeah.. i dont want to put the official rc30 on it, until someone figures out a way to root it :P by which stage.. there will no doubt be an RC31 |
| 01:41.42 | ismarc1 | there should be no reason for the end-user to need root. Developers, on the other hand, can make good use of root |
| 01:42.19 | unix_infidel | ismarc1: right now, no. because there isnt a killer app that relies on root. |
| 01:42.35 | unix_infidel | nor would you have seen a demo like RyeBrye's so soon after finding root. |
| 01:42.36 | ismarc1 | unix_infidel: the app is designed wrong if it requires true root access |
| 01:42.47 | unix_infidel | ismarc1: not designed incorrectly, just utilizes root functionality. |
| 01:42.58 | snadge | im a linux sysadmin by trade.. and am familiar with software dev.. i just like the idea of being able to have root if i want it |
| 01:42.59 | unix_infidel | which isnt unreasonable. |
| 01:43.10 | unix_infidel | snadge: what about RC30 worries you? |
| 01:43.19 | ismarc1 | unix_infidel: for good apps, not unreasonable. Imagine a malicious app with root capabilities |
| 01:43.22 | snadge | unix_lappy: the official or the modded one? |
| 01:43.28 | jbq | unix_infidel: actually, there are legitimate uses, especially for debugging (accessing your own app's private files from the shell when debugging it is really necessary, and it isn't currently possible without root). |
| 01:43.32 | Decavolt | just imagine the support (and malware) nightmare if root access were easy and there by default. |
| 01:43.36 | Decavolt | it's a horrible idea |
| 01:44.10 | snadge | its something you should be able to turn on with a hack, or key sequence on bootup etc.. so devs know how to do it, if they want to.. and end users wouldn't even know its there |
| 01:44.17 | unix_infidel | jbq: ismarc1 was making the assumption that there are no legitimate reasons for "normal" users need root. |
| 01:44.23 | bradleyy_ | All I know is that i want a VPN app, and if I had root I could have had it by now. |
| 01:44.25 | Decavolt | from a developer perspective, absolutely there should be root access. but that should come in the form of a development kit/build and not something anyone should expect to be standard on the phone |
| 01:44.29 | unix_infidel | jbq: for developers, obviously, debugging is a big one. |
| 01:44.59 | snadge | well you should be able to dev with an end user phone.. and not need a dev kit |
| 01:45.15 | unix_infidel | yea, there should be an AndroidFund, where the fund subsidizes Engineering Devices for developers who win something similar to the ADC (but on a larger scale) |
| 01:45.27 | jbq | unix_infidel: there are plenty of legitimate use cases that can't currently be done without root, but I haven't seen any that fundamentally needs root (they just need the framework to expose the appropriate capabilities) |
| 01:45.27 | snadge | it doesnt have to be an easily accessible option from a menu.. but at least documented and understood by those that need to |
| 01:46.04 | Decavolt | that really depends on how deep you're developing. The same is true on any platform. I can't expect to build any and all Cocoa apps for OSX if I don't have any sort of root access or root-level debugging tools. |
| 01:46.09 | bradleyy_ | you do realize the "normal users" analogizes to "normal users don't need a car with an opening hood" |
| 01:46.27 | unix_infidel | jbq: heh, we are all aware that Android is undoubtedly nascent and frameworks will come out that will realize killer features fairly quickly. |
| 01:46.35 | jbq | :) |
| 01:46.35 | unix_infidel | ;-) |
| 01:47.22 | snadge | is there a site that lists the changes between 28-29 and 30? |
| 01:47.29 | bradleyy_ | so, what you're saying is that I shold be at the mercy of whatever the high priests at google deign to give me? |
| 01:47.55 | bradleyy_ | I want a VPN, now, and I'm locked out of a device that I purchased. |
| 01:48.06 | bradleyy_ | not cool that I can't change the air cleaner. |
| 01:48.07 | jbq | snadge: not in detail. RC29: mid-severity webkit fix. RC30: 2 major-severity webkit fixes, plus plugging the root hole. |
| 01:48.09 | unix_infidel | google makes the will of the carriers easily accessible...if they didnt you'd never see an android device. |
| 01:48.31 | unix_infidel | it's as simple as that. |
| 01:48.55 | bradleyy_ | right, but I'm still in a position where I have to wait for google to (hopefully) release some sort of VPN kit. |
| 01:49.03 | snadge | t-mobile must have paid a hefty premium to be the first.. let them have that, its only a temporary situation |
| 01:49.23 | sparkle | so buy an unlocked phone that's not restricted |
| 01:49.24 | jbq | bradleyy_: part of the answer is "there wasn't enough time". part of it is "you bought that device from T-Mobile, and they're worried about the support costs or bandwidth costs". |
| 01:49.34 | snadge | i shelled out money for a g1, because i support the android project.. i knew that it was going to be crippled |
| 01:50.18 | snadge | i will no doubt bin it as soon as something less crap is released ;) |
| 01:50.22 | Decavolt | As I've said before, it's also a version 1.0. You can't expect it to be perfect, or expect development on it to be perfect. It needs a little time to evolve. |
| 01:50.26 | bradleyy_ | i.e.: we know you paid good money for that car, but putting on a different muffler might make you exceed the speed limit. |
| 01:50.39 | Nafai | Anyone have the correct URL for the update site for the Eclipse plug-in? |
| 01:50.45 | ismarc1 | bradleyy_: you could always write a java user-space tcp/ip stack and transparent proxy |
| 01:51.04 | unix_infidel | anyone here using the TetherBot app and find it severly limiting for normal use cases? |
| 01:51.23 | jsharkey | define normal ;) |
| 01:51.31 | bradleyy_ | ismarc1: that is the funniest suggestion I've heard in a long time. |
| 01:51.34 | unix_infidel | jsharkey: use your imagination ;-) |
| 01:51.39 | Decavolt | it's not about putting a different muffler on the car, it's about boring out the cylinders, adding a blower and nitrous. That's not standard, and should never be expected off of the showroom floor - i.e. stock |
| 01:51.44 | sparkle | lol |
| 01:52.04 | bradleyy_ | dude, VPN is not something that is like adding a blower. |
| 01:52.19 | bradleyy_ | VPN should have been supported out of the box |
| 01:52.30 | ismarc1 | VPN is like moving from an AM only radio to putting in a cd player |
| 01:52.32 | Decavolt | no, but expecting root access - and using your car analogy - is like heavily modding on the level of adding a blower. |
| 01:52.32 | bradleyy_ | it's been working on linux for many, many years |
| 01:52.59 | bradleyy_ | with root access YOU CAN add a blower. |
| 01:53.12 | BHSPitMonkey | bradleyy_, just get an iPhone, then! |
| 01:53.13 | bradleyy_ | without it, you can't change the radio to a cd player |
| 01:53.13 | BHSPitMonkey | ducks |
| 01:53.13 | jbq | ok, we got your point ;-) |
| 01:53.14 | Decavolt | and I'm sure VPN will be supported in future builds. How many major, current linux features where there in v1.0? |
| 01:53.15 | jsharkey | unix_infidel: lol, did firefox+ssh for me fine. sure its limited, but you can make it work |
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| 01:53.58 | unix_infidel | jsharkey: i'm guessing over SSH it's a major hog. |
| 01:54.04 | unix_infidel | jsharkey: i'm talking about Tetherbot. |
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| 01:54.15 | Decavolt | I'm not saying it's unreasonable to want root for development. I'm saying it's unreasonable to expect root in a 1.0 device that's only a few months old. This thing is still an infant, give it a little time. |
| 01:54.37 | tmccrary1 | Is it possible to access opengl via jni with android? |
| 01:54.43 | jsharkey | unix_infidel: yea, i used ssh with the tunnel thing, but its limiting because you only get one tunnel :/ |
| 01:55.01 | bradleyy_ | you're saying that because radical changes could be accomplished, it isn't a good idea. |
| 01:55.09 | Nafai | tmccrary1: Dalvik isn't the JVM, so I doubt JNI works |
| 01:55.17 | jbq | tmccrary1: do you mean, from native code? |
| 01:55.21 | ttuttle | Nafai: JNI does work. |
| 01:55.26 | bradleyy_ | I'm saying becuase minor, useful, safe changes could be accomplished, it would be good to have it. |
| 01:55.44 | jbq | Nafai: actually, the API between bytecode and native is JNI, even though Dalvik is indeed not a JVM. |
| 01:55.48 | bradleyy_ | are there any pointers on JNI support? |
| 01:55.51 | Nafai | Oh nice. |
| 01:55.53 | Decavolt | oh ffs. No bradleyy_ that's not at all what I'm saying. Please re-read my last. |
| 01:56.00 | Nafai | Sorry for assuming wrong :) |
| 01:56.03 | tmccrary1 | yes, I'm just curious if there are any gotchas in doing so |
| 01:56.15 | unix_infidel | jsharkey: right, but most people dont want anything other than simple internet access. |
| 01:56.20 | jbq | tmccrary1: BTW, yes, there's a native API to OpenGL. Not supported, of course, but I think it's there. |
| 01:56.47 | tmccrary1 | jbq: awesome, thanks for the info |
| 01:57.08 | tmccrary1 | the reason I ask it, for our engine port, I want to keep certain components native |
| 01:57.15 | tmccrary1 | obviously performance critical sections |
| 01:57.40 | tmccrary1 | opengl may not need it |
| 01:57.47 | tmccrary1 | but I want to keep my options open |
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| 01:59.39 | jbq | tmccrary1: at this point if you want to go the native route, you need to understand that it's a rough route in terms of development tools, and that compatibility of your code (source or binary) with future versions of Android or other devices running the same version of Android isn't guaranteed in any way. |
| 02:00.16 | jbq | (just setting expectations so that you can have the right risk assessment in your business decisions). |
| 02:00.20 | bradleyy_ | Decavolt, I'm saying that primarily *because* it's an infant device, we need root access to overcome the stuff the priesthood in their most benificient and wise manner, didn't put in there |
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| 02:00.25 | tmccrary1 | jbq: understood. I guess thats what updates are for ;) |
| 02:00.31 | bradleyy_ | agree to disagree? |
| 02:00.45 | Decavolt | is it impossible for you to root the device? No. |
| 02:01.03 | Decavolt | is it easy? No. But it's new - expect that to come in a future update. |
| 02:01.08 | bradleyy_ | is now: I'm on rc30, at least currently impossible |
| 02:01.29 | bradleyy_ | BTW, prev comment was tongue-in-cheek |
| 02:02.47 | tmccrary1 | jbq: one question, by "not being guaranteed", does that mean that native code could be disabled in the future or just that various things could change (important headers, libraries, etc) without notice or warning? or both? :) |
| 02:03.16 | bradleyy_ | my guess is the latter |
| 02:03.18 | jbq | disabled isn't going to happen, the core android relies on it a lot. |
| 02:03.30 | tmccrary1 | ok cool |
| 02:03.31 | bradleyy_ | exactly |
| 02:03.31 | jbq | but yes, API changes, ABI changes, different CPUs... |
| 02:03.34 | tmccrary1 | right |
| 02:04.06 | tmccrary1 | well, since at least the G1 device isn't completely open, security restrictions for native code could come in to play |
| 02:04.09 | tmccrary1 | thats what I was asking |
| 02:04.22 | tmccrary1 | say, no unsigned native code or something like that |
| 02:04.45 | jbq | tmccrary1: the security model is based on linux processes, so there's nothing that is allowed from within the VM that wouldn't be allowed from native code. |
| 02:04.56 | tmccrary1 | but I can deal with the other issues, that's not on google or whomever |
| 02:07.17 | jbq | I don't expect to see any work that'll make native code harder, or that'll attempt to disable it, or anything like that. |
| 02:07.40 | jbq | It's just that the android engineering team won't go out of their way to maintain compatibility at that level. |
| 02:08.06 | jbq | (and that right now there's no mechanism to check compatibility of apps that use native code against different CPUs). |
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| 02:09.01 | tmccrary1 | great. Honestly, I think using the vm is the better idea for the reasons you mentioned (simplify cross platform/arch stuff). It's just with things like physics and some graphics stuff, you can tweak more and get better performance. |
| 02:09.01 | jbq | at some point in the future, things might be clear enough that the android technical management could say "from this point this is supported", but this point is in a distant enough future that no date can be precisely attached to it. |
| 02:09.21 | sparkle | i think i figured out some of the confusion here |
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| 02:09.38 | sparkle | the conflation of "open source" and "community development" |
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| 02:11.13 | jbq | sparkle: the truth is that right now Google hasn't fully switched itself to being a part of the android open-source community (I'd be blind if I pretended otherwise). |
| 02:11.55 | jbq | That's only for the duration of a (relatively) short transition, though. |
| 02:12.13 | sparkle | nods |
| 02:12.30 | sparkle | i work for a cellco - sometimes closely with handset engineering, and i think i have a good idea of where things are going to go |
| 02:12.56 | sparkle | and my head hurts so i'm goin' |
| 02:12.59 | sparkle | ttyl |
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| 02:19.11 | florz | by any chance ... is there any (publicly) known way for removing the simlock of the G1 (other than buying an unlock code)? |
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| 02:19.38 | jbq | florz: being a good T-Mobile customer and asking them has been reported to work. |
| 02:19.42 | Versed | waiting 90 days and asking tmo |
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| 02:20.09 | Leeds | 24 hours, almost to the minute |
| 02:20.19 | Versed | hey Leeds |
| 02:20.48 | Leeds | morning Versed |
| 02:21.21 | florz | jbq: does that apply to customers of T-Mobile Germany, too? |
| 02:21.24 | Versed | evneing sir (well on this part of the planet) |
| 02:21.35 | Versed | I have no idea. |
| 02:21.55 | Versed | was it bought from TMO DE and are you a customer? |
| 02:22.13 | jbq | florz: ah, I don't know. I presume you didn't get your device from T-Mobile Germany, so it might not be so easy in your case. |
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| 02:22.36 | florz | TMo DE doesn't sell them (yet), so no, it was bought in the US |
| 02:22.58 | Versed | does a .de tmo sim work in it without a unlock? |
| 02:23.08 | Versed | an |
| 02:24.44 | florz | it seems so, just tried with a sim card from a previously terminated contract, and it seemed to accept it, even though that doesn't give you any network access, obvisouly |
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| 02:33.14 | Versed | there are default settings on the phone for the various tm networks. |
| 02:34.06 | Leeds | yeah, that's interesting |
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| 02:34.39 | pr4bh | hi, is it possible to get root in rc8? :s |
| 02:34.58 | Leeds | rc8? |
| 02:35.03 | florz | but also, in general, is there anything known about the technical inner workings of the sim lock? like, which components of the hard- and software are enforcing it? |
| 02:35.05 | JesusFreke | not in "official" RC8 |
| 02:35.06 | pr4bh | the uk version? |
| 02:35.12 | Leeds | ah |
| 02:35.15 | Versed | goto settings, then wireless controls, then mobile networks, then Access point names, there is a T-Mobile D |
| 02:35.19 | pr4bh | aaah no :s |
| 02:35.33 | Versed | see if it sets your data up |
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| 02:41.14 | RyeBrye | anyone tinkering with 2.6.27 yet? |
| 02:49.19 | RyeBrye | In the default config for 2.6.27 the ondemand scaling is turned on now - but the max CPU speed seems set way the hell too low: CONFIG_MSM_CPU_FREQ_ONDEMAND_MAX=384000 |
| 02:49.32 | RyeBrye | what's the max speed? 500Mhz? |
| 02:49.45 | Leeds | is that 384 the current dialed-down speed>? |
| 02:50.54 | RyeBrye | I don't think it currently dials down speed at all |
| 02:51.31 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: it's clocked down at the hardware level iirc. |
| 02:51.37 | jbq | Pre-production G1s weren't really stable at speeds much higher than that. |
| 02:51.39 | snadge | how do i send and alt using connectbot? |
| 02:51.51 | RyeBrye | jbq - but aren't the production ones 528 Mhz? |
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| 02:52.05 | jbq | RyeBrye: no, I think they're 82-245-384. |
| 02:52.05 | unix_infidel | somewhere from 528. |
| 02:52.49 | RyeBrye | jbq - oh, they are? I thought all the marketing stuff I read said the CPU was 528 MHz |
| 02:52.55 | jbq | The chip is rated for 528 only if it has appropriate cooling. |
| 02:53.29 | RyeBrye | Ahhh... My pocket is cool |
| 02:53.42 | jbq | RyeBrye: I don't think that T-Mobile or HTC ever said that'd it'd be 528. They said it was a 7201A, and someone found that the max clock on the 7201A is 528 and assumed that the G1 was clocked that high. |
| 02:53.48 | vol | not cool enough it seems : ( |
| 02:54.02 | Leeds | my chin gets quite warm |
| 02:54.23 | snadge | how do i switch between say ssh and browser? |
| 02:54.30 | jbq | Leeds: yeah, the CPU is there (along with the radio amplifiers, the power regulator...) |
| 02:54.33 | unix_infidel | I'd be surprised if they didnt try and squeeze the last little mHz out of the thing. |
| 02:54.50 | unix_infidel | i think it was Dan who was in here saying after about 384 they didnt see any real pre-production benefits. |
| 02:54.57 | RyeBrye | Wai |
| 02:54.57 | unix_infidel | (Bornstein) |
| 02:54.58 | Leeds | unix_infidel: battery life is more important than CPU speed |
| 02:55.02 | RyeBrye | When did white G1's become available? |
| 02:55.09 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: last week iirc |
| 02:55.18 | RyeBrye | I should have waited :( |
| 02:55.22 | RyeBrye | sheds a tear |
| 02:55.29 | bmk789 | ill buy your black one ;) |
| 02:55.33 | Leeds | nasty ipod-ish things |
| 02:55.49 | unix_infidel | white isnt exactly pretty. |
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| 02:55.59 | RyeBrye | bmk789 - if you got a white one, I'd swap the black one. |
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| 02:56.10 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=white+g1+released |
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| 02:56.36 | sparkle | i wanted purple camo |
| 02:56.38 | unix_infidel | wow, the google gods must've just turned on the tubes. |
| 02:56.44 | unix_infidel | heh. |
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| 02:57.18 | RyeBrye | Yeah, seriously - google influx |
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| 02:58.10 | RyeBrye | jbq - so the cpu freq is set in the software? So I could theoretically raise my ondemand up to 528 and burn a hole in my leg? |
| 02:58.11 | jsharkey | ah, they will prolly ping out soon then |
| 02:59.30 | unix_infidel | nice. http://gizmodo.com/5101708/aussies-to-get-the-next-android-handset-in-the-form-of-the-kogan-agora-pro |
| 02:59.37 | jbq_ | RyeBrye: it's set in software. I don't know if you'd go as far as damaging the hardware, but it might become less stable. Or not. One thing is sure, it's that your battery life will take a hit. |
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| 03:00.17 | TiberiumX | I like the slide-out keyboard style, but that one probably does have a 3.5mm headphone jack. |
| 03:00.32 | unix_infidel | TiberiumX: yup, looks like stereo 3.5 there. |
| 03:01.15 | Versed | nice, that supports at&t's and rogers 3g. |
| 03:01.37 | RyeBrye | Well... when I was playing with ondemand last time - it was really sluggish and it was underclocking me down to 82 Mhz while the phone was booting - so I don't know if it would ever even hit 528Mhz unless it got really excited |
| 03:01.38 | TiberiumX | I wonder how developers will be able to cope with different screen sizes. That one's 320x240. |
| 03:01.45 | RyeBrye | recompiles his kernel |
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| 03:02.29 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: did you ever hear from someone at google on whether there was a multitouch framework coming since there's hints of multitouch capable capacitive screens? |
| 03:02.30 | Leeds | RyeBrye: boot into performance, set to ondemand at the end of booting? |
| 03:02.37 | unix_infidel | (floating around) |
| 03:03.17 | unix_infidel | Leeds: not exactly viable, would like to see a proper profiler, that takes battery life into account, if i want to squeeze a couple quick things out of 10% battery, i could care less about speed. |
| 03:03.23 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - nope, I know nothing. |
| 03:03.41 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: no one really "knows" anything ;-) |
| 03:03.43 | Leeds | unix_infidel: so that's either ondemand or userspace-controlled |
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| 03:04.20 | RyeBrye | Is the wlan stuff open source now? I don't think I can trick the 2.6.25 wlan.ko to work on the 2.6.27 kernel can I? |
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| 03:05.25 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: afaik its not gonna be |
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| 03:05.30 | G94B | Guys, I just got the T-Mobile G1 and when I type in the browser a google search box is coming up when I want to write a blog entry... is there a way to override the google search box or does the browser just not recognize the editor area i'm touching? |
| 03:05.45 | Leeds | unix_infidel: and the next headline in my RSS reader, after the kogan thing: "UN Plans Asteroid Response Framework" |
| 03:05.55 | Leeds | G94B: make sure you're selecting the text box |
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| 03:06.01 | RyeBrye | I thought TI said they were going to opensource their drivers as part of their OHA warm fuzzies |
| 03:06.14 | G94B | It's a window but when I touch it only the first line is highlighted? |
| 03:06.19 | unix_infidel | Leeds: you could just turn "Star Wars" the other way ;-) |
| 03:06.27 | G94B | I'm trying to make an entry on Blogger |
| 03:06.43 | Leeds | a window? |
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| 03:06.52 | G94B | I can fill in the title box... |
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| 03:07.21 | G94B | but the area where you type the body of the blog entry is only being selected as the first line |
| 03:07.40 | G94B | when i press a key, the google search box pops up |
| 03:08.06 | Leeds | dunno then |
| 03:08.25 | G94B | hmm, puts a damper on using google's blogger service |
| 03:08.28 | snadge | either that.. or our gps is just messing with us |
| 03:08.36 | G94B | I can make blank blog entries though |
| 03:08.46 | G94B | well, with titles |
| 03:08.48 | G94B | :-) |
| 03:09.03 | Disconnect | try turning off optimize for this display |
| 03:09.26 | G94B | how do you toggle that? |
| 03:09.35 | Disconnect | settings |
| 03:10.01 | G94B | ok |
| 03:10.36 | RyeBrye | "The Android operating system means the handset can capture and play music, photos and video, surf the web, play games, navigate, and organise your life with extremely powerful applications." - Wait so those Kogan Agora people will have a video recorder? |
| 03:10.55 | Disconnect | no the community will fix it |
| 03:10.57 | RyeBrye | And it can "capture and play music"? Does it come with a musical lasso |
| 03:10.59 | RyeBrye | ? |
| 03:11.19 | G94B | i don't see it under settings |
| 03:11.53 | TiberiumX | I see a lot of commented out code concerning recording video. I think it's coming when they get it finished. |
| 03:12.20 | unix_infidel | TiberiumX: how do you think we found the multi-touch stuff/ |
| 03:12.22 | unix_infidel | ;-) |
| 03:12.44 | JesusFreke | wow. the kogan looks nice. definitely beats the G1 in the looks department |
| 03:12.46 | TiberiumX | There is commented out multitouch code? Damn, I thought that was someone just screwing around with a driver or something. |
| 03:12.58 | Leeds | G94B: "Auto-fit pages" |
| 03:13.02 | unix_infidel | JesusFreke: it doesnt jive imho. |
| 03:13.16 | JesusFreke | define jive :D |
| 03:13.46 | unix_infidel | compare WM6.5 on the HTC Touch HD or Touch Pro with Android default on those devices or the Agora Pro. |
| 03:14.02 | G94B | ah, ok |
| 03:14.36 | unix_infidel | they clearly spend a lot of time with screenshots and demos' and making things stylistically jive rather than having decent design, whereas Android and the iPhone are all about decent user experience design. |
| 03:14.46 | unix_infidel | UX & Design* |
| 03:14.51 | G94B | hmm, no dice, let me try restarting the browser |
| 03:18.15 | RyeBrye | TiberiumX - yeah, it's commented out in the driver |
| 03:18.39 | RyeBrye | And interestingly enough, another touchscreen driver was checked into the git 2.6.27 branch and it's got multitouch stuff in it as well |
| 03:18.52 | RyeBrye | (not for the synaptics screen, but for some Elan screen) |
| 03:19.53 | RyeBrye | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/msm.git;a=blob;f=drivers/input/touchscreen/elan8232_i2c.c;h=7c07d8431621cf58ce4d9a922588ed5002fef9e4;hb=c2ae3738cf027412b6be46a43b19fee161b87ce7 |
| 03:19.55 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: i'm guessing yours is elan? |
| 03:20.35 | unix_infidel | would also guess it's impossible to tell without some voodoo. |
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| 03:21.18 | RyeBrye | I used the synaptics driver they had before - I assume that elan thing is for some future device? |
| 03:24.08 | G94B | hmm, i can't get it to work |
| 03:24.43 | G94B | it just doesn't recognize the window as a place for entering text |
| 03:25.02 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: hmm, apparently their high end touch screens. |
| 03:25.18 | G94B | what's weird is that i can only highlight the window after i highlight another text field |
| 03:25.42 | unix_infidel | http://www.elanhomesystems.com/products.asp |
| 03:27.29 | RyeBrye | Yeah, I was looking to find that model |
| 03:27.46 | Damm | here's a bad question, how low is the chance of finding DREAIMG.NBH? |
| 03:28.07 | RyeBrye | Depends. Do you speak Korean? |
| 03:28.26 | Damm | nope |
| 03:29.01 | Leeds | G94B: doesn't help if you select another field then use the ball to scroll to the right one? |
| 03:29.02 | RyeBrye | There are people working on cracking the bootloader for the G1 - that'd be the best bet |
| 03:29.47 | Damm | i thought you couldn't write the boot loader |
| 03:29.56 | Damm | without DREAIMG.NBH |
| 03:31.18 | pr4bh | guys, i know you do awesome job but just wondering if anyone is working on getting root on official RC8? :( |
| 03:31.51 | TiberiumX | What is DREAIMG.NBH? |
| 03:31.56 | Disconnect | pr4bh: no, nobody anywhere is working on it |
| 03:32.17 | Damm | TiberiumX, basically a full ROM |
| 03:32.25 | Damm | one way to go back to RC19 for example |
| 03:33.18 | luok | eesh do you really have to type URL to set the home page in android browser? |
| 03:33.21 | TiberiumX | How would you flash that? |
| 03:33.31 | Damm | stick it on the SD card and loadup in boot loader mode |
| 03:33.38 | Damm | volume down key prolly to load it |
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| 03:33.58 | G94B | no, it hops over the window |
| 03:34.34 | RyeBrye | Damm - the DREAIMG.NBH wouldn't necessarily be RC19. I imagine the factory has them for each RC or whatnot... an RC30 DREAIMG.NBH isn't very exciting - but yes, an < RC30 would be cool if it ever leaked |
| 03:35.01 | Damm | RyeBrye, totally... i'm a bit suprised it hasn't |
| 03:35.22 | RyeBrye | maybe it has, but the person who leaked it was shot by the google choppers |
| 03:35.34 | Disconnect | i'm gonna lmao if the rc30 one leaks |
| 03:36.00 | RyeBrye | they have thousands of robots that spend their idle time reading blogs, but are ready at a moments notice to go into action |
| 03:37.49 | RyeBrye | If those agora phones were cheaper, I'd buy one for my wife and for a second dev phone |
| 03:38.06 | RyeBrye | I wonder if they ship with a version that lets you get root on them |
| 03:39.36 | RyeBrye | although 399 Australian dollars = 258.5919 U.S. dollars |
| 03:39.45 | RyeBrye | so I guess that's not too bad |
| 03:40.48 | Damm | and unfortunately a rom dump is fairly useless without the headers to make the phone trust it. |
| 03:41.07 | RyeBrye | which rom dump? the one from the bootloader? |
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| 03:44.27 | Damm | yup |
| 03:44.53 | Damm | i wonder if anyone tried mtty on the G1 |
| 03:47.07 | Lieutenant | hey |
| 03:47.14 | Lieutenant | got a question |
| 03:47.26 | Lieutenant | is there a media server app or something out? |
| 03:47.35 | Lieutenant | where i can watch movies from my comptuer on my phone? |
| 03:47.37 | Leeds | Lieutenant: have you see five? |
| 03:47.43 | Lieutenant | no. |
| 03:47.59 | offby1` | Lieutenant: there's a YouTube app, but that's probably not what you meant |
| 03:48.00 | Leeds | http://code.google.com/p/android-five/ |
| 03:48.21 | JesusFreke | five is great :) |
| 03:48.29 | Leeds | doesn't do video |
| 03:48.32 | Lieutenant | i meant watch videos/listen to music/view pics that were on my computer via wifi or edge or whatever. |
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| 03:48.59 | Lieutenant | like a media server |
| 03:49.08 | Leeds | that's what five is - except it isn't, yet |
| 03:49.14 | Lieutenant | oh. |
| 03:49.15 | Lieutenant | gotcha |
| 03:49.18 | JesusFreke | five is only for audio |
| 03:49.27 | Lieutenant | i'll check it out when it has videos support |
| 03:49.29 | JesusFreke | I don't know of any plans for pictures/video |
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| 03:49.45 | Lieutenant | oh |
| 03:49.45 | Leeds | "This implementation targets the music application, however the system could and will be extended to support other content such as video and images." |
| 03:49.45 | Lieutenant | damn |
| 03:49.51 | JesusFreke | ah :) |
| 03:50.05 | Lieutenant | i hope they do video though. that will be badass |
| 03:50.07 | Lieutenant | wait |
| 03:50.08 | JesusFreke | lieutentant, in the meantime, you might try orb |
| 03:50.16 | JesusFreke | I'm not positive if it does video though |
| 03:50.21 | Lieutenant | wasn't there a program where u can view webcam feeds n stuff? |
| 03:50.26 | Lieutenant | yeah i think it was orb |
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| 03:50.58 | Mony | i have a question too. is there any "real working" jabber client with tls support? meebo is disconnecting me all the time :/ |
| 03:50.59 | Lieutenant | but i dont wanna make an orb account |
| 03:51.11 | Lieutenant | ryebrye, u still here? |
| 03:51.32 | G94B | ok, it looks like you have to use go.blogger.com to create posts on blogger from a mobile device |
| 03:51.58 | Damm | Mony, for google talk? or? |
| 03:52.11 | Leeds | google talk seems to work fine with the built-in app |
| 03:52.12 | Mony | not google talk |
| 03:52.17 | Damm | Mony, because there's Maverick... if they released their code it could easily go far |
| 03:52.22 | Mony | other jabber server :) |
| 03:52.31 | Damm | ah |
| 03:52.39 | Damm | the built in IM client blows |
| 03:53.09 | Damm | RyeBrye, http://wp.buzzdev.net/tag/rom ... kinda referring to the old winmo 'd2s' ability with mtty |
| 03:53.12 | Mony | i was searching for maverick's source too, but i found out that it's not open source :/ |
| 03:53.13 | Lieutenant | theres only 1 transition available? |
| 03:53.16 | Damm | would be interesting if you could get it. |
| 03:53.18 | Lieutenant | sliding, and thats it? |
| 03:53.32 | Damm | Mony, nope, not sure why since they prolly based their code on GPLv2 code |
| 03:53.37 | Damm | we should sue em for their code |
| 03:56.27 | Mony | there is also another app with jabber support (im+) but it is not free and it does not support tls ?! |
| 03:56.52 | Mony | i |
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| 03:57.05 | Lieutenant | is there gonna be a black market made specifically for root apps? |
| 03:57.56 | Mony | "black market".. lol that sounds like there will be drugs or something :D |
| 03:59.12 | Lieutenant | lol |
| 03:59.16 | Lieutenant | its still a pretty slick name |
| 03:59.27 | Lieutenant | like pineapple <-- that made me laugh |
| 03:59.31 | Lieutenant | or pwnapple, whatever it was |
| 03:59.33 | JesusFreke | psst. over here. I have the wifi tethering you need |
| 03:59.42 | JesusFreke | looks shady |
| 03:59.47 | Lieutenant | haha. |
| 03:59.50 | Mony | lmao :D |
| 03:59.55 | Lieutenant | dolla fitty. dolla fitty. |
| 04:00.01 | TiberiumX | Haha |
| 04:00.02 | Lieutenant | knawm' sayin? |
| 04:00.09 | saurik | Lieutenant: people are currently able to just put applications that require root into the real market (there are apparently a few in there already) |
| 04:00.15 | saurik | so at least for now there's no point ;P |
| 04:00.23 | JesusFreke | y'got tha righ |
| 04:00.24 | Lieutenant | true. |
| 04:00.54 | TiberiumX | Yeah, but how will they deal with all the people giving them one star while asking "what's root?" |
| 04:01.11 | Lieutenant | yeah thats why black market will be a good idea imo. |
| 04:01.49 | JesusFreke | Tib, the authors will just have to take counseling for feelings of rejection |
| 04:01.55 | JesusFreke | :) |
| 04:02.46 | Lieutenant | yeah like that nuuneoi dude everyone hated on |
| 04:02.52 | Lieutenant | the droidsans dude |
| 04:03.42 | Lieutenant | hmm |
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| 04:03.49 | Lieutenant | i dont know how good you guys are at making games.... |
| 04:03.51 | offby1` | The Droid abides. |
| 04:03.57 | Lieutenant | but here is one i thought of just now |
| 04:04.00 | Lieutenant | and it might be fun |
| 04:04.20 | TiberiumX | Anyone know off the top of their head how the Music app's playlist screen lets you move rows around to reorder stuff? (Before I go hunting through the source for it) |
| 04:04.40 | Lieutenant | um u play a song. |
| 04:04.48 | Lieutenant | then u hit the little playlist lookin button in the top right corner |
| 04:04.53 | Lieutenant | and then u can drag them around |
| 04:05.00 | Lieutenant | back to my game idea: |
| 04:05.25 | TiberiumX | Haha, I mean what features they used to code it. Nevermind. |
| 04:06.18 | JesusFreke | whoa. I didn't know you could do that. lol |
| 04:06.53 | JesusFreke | I need to implement something like that for five's playlist screen :) |
| 04:06.58 | wastrel | code |
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| 04:07.07 | TiberiumX | I wanted something like that in my podcast app. |
| 04:07.26 | TiberiumX | It's not safe to try and switch podcasts while driving. :) |
| 04:07.31 | Lieutenant | so u have a picture of a virtual G1 phone on your screen all futureistic looking with all these flashy lights n little visual futuristc lighting glitches. well have the phone turn and rotate n stuff and you have to follow what the virtual phone is doing, like if it tilts upwards, u tilt your phone upwards as quick as possible, then it turns around, and does all these flips n stuff and u just have to keep up. (kidna like simo |
| 04:07.37 | Lieutenant | did it cut off? ^^^^^ |
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| 04:08.10 | TiberiumX | Yes. kidna like simo, I hear. |
| 04:08.25 | JesusFreke | simo's all the rage these days |
| 04:08.36 | Lieutenant | .....like simon says in a way)... what do u think? it sounds good in my mind." |
| 04:08.39 | TiberiumX | G1 will suck until it gets simo. |
| 04:08.43 | Lieutenant | yeah! |
| 04:08.47 | Lieutenant | amen |
| 04:09.41 | TiberiumX | So how long you think it'll take you to code it, Lieutenant? |
| 04:09.49 | Lieutenant | WTF |
| 04:09.49 | Lieutenant | lol |
| 04:09.54 | Lieutenant | i can't even code a "hello world" |
| 04:10.29 | Mony | Lieutenant, i really hate java too |
| 04:10.30 | Mony | :D |
| 04:10.33 | JesusFreke | well you better get to work :D |
| 04:10.34 | Lieutenant | i was just throwin it out there... ya' know, just to be inspirational. |
| 04:10.41 | Lieutenant | givin ideas out |
| 04:12.05 | Leeds | so I was at a 'networking event' last night for IT/digital media type people... chatting to a guy I know, one of the founders of an online company... they have an iPhone app, which is a pretty simple front-end to their web service |
| 04:12.28 | Leeds | he was very interested in getting an Android version |
| 04:12.55 | TiberiumX | Good. More apps the better. Unless it's a 10th tip calculator. |
| 04:12.58 | Leeds | nope |
| 04:13.17 | Leeds | more to the point, he was interested in paying for an Android version... so I think it's time I learned some Java :-) |
| 04:13.33 | JesusFreke | money is a good motivator :) |
| 04:14.00 | TiberiumX | What sort of service is it? |
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| 04:14.16 | Leeds | we didn't formally discuss anything, but it's nice to think there's already a market for app development :-) |
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| 04:15.26 | marix | hey guys |
| 04:15.53 | Disconnect | we're talking about that at work also. nobody thought it was a good idea 2nd quarter when i said "we need an actual mobile site" .. but now they want iphone/android apps (which -could- be based off that mobile site, but we didn't make one..) |
| 04:15.58 | Leeds | it's an online hosted helpdesk |
| 04:16.05 | Lieutenant | well last night i was registering for college classes, and i saw my old 6th grade teacher there, (she's the mom of a friend of mine but the friend wasn't there) so my teacher said "hi" to me, and i was like who is this person? then after like 4 seconds of an odd silence, i recognized her and was like "ohh, its been a long time" so i had thought she knew who i was. but today i asked the girl if her mom talked to her about me, |
| 04:16.12 | Lieutenant | her mom talked to her about me, and she was like "yea, my mom said she saw a random kid she used to teach and said hi" so she didn't really know me. :( i feel sad. |
| 04:16.17 | Lieutenant | well thats my life story. |
| 04:16.26 | snadge | how do i send alt+key with connectbot? |
| 04:16.29 | Lieutenant | how's ur day been so far? |
| 04:17.03 | Leeds | Lieutenant: erm, what? |
| 04:17.08 | marix | not as emo filled as yours thats for sure... |
| 04:17.41 | snadge | ctrl is tap on trackball, esc is double tap.. alt is .. ? |
| 04:17.43 | TiberiumX | Haha |
| 04:18.09 | TiberiumX | My days haven't been emo enough lately either. |
| 04:18.18 | snadge | logically it would be alt but its not :P |
| 04:18.55 | TiberiumX | How do you send esc with connectbot? I got stuck in insert mode in vim yesterday. |
| 04:19.21 | snadge | press trackball twice |
| 04:19.41 | Lieutenant | lol |
| 04:20.12 | TiberiumX | Thanks |
| 04:20.49 | Lieutenant | why did google hide all these damn features? |
| 04:20.55 | Lieutenant | like transitions... |
| 04:21.21 | marix | part of their product growth plan |
| 04:21.26 | TiberiumX | Weren't finished with them? |
| 04:21.26 | snadge | theres a little keyboard demo when u first run connectbot, that i cant figure out how to bring back |
| 04:21.37 | Leeds | power questions? |
| 04:21.37 | Lieutenant | well they seem finished to me. |
| 04:21.46 | marix | same reason why the iphone doesn't have copy paste, because they need you to buy the next version. |
| 04:22.21 | Lieutenant | i thought google was different :( |
| 04:22.29 | infernix | crap. anyone else getting data corruption when copying stuff through USB mount? |
| 04:22.33 | TiberiumX | I'd point out that the same software runs on all versions of the phone, but they did try to charge me for updates to my touch. Assholes. |
| 04:22.56 | marix | lieutenant, i was just kidding, cheer up kiddo, that friends mom/teacher really wanted to fuck. :) |
| 04:22.57 | infernix | im mounting, copying 55mb files, umounting, then remounting, and when i md5sum the files the sum is different |
| 04:23.11 | infernix | eg corruption while copying :| |
| 04:23.47 | TiberiumX | That's strange. I don't believe I've gotten corruption on anythign I've ever copied in. |
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| 04:23.48 | Lieutenant | lol i know she did. |
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| 04:24.46 | marix | anyone watching the ultimate fighter? |
| 04:25.14 | sparkle | those transition effects...i was so glad when i discovered them |
| 04:25.26 | TiberiumX | What are these transition effects? |
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| 04:25.32 | sparkle | because i could turn the rest of them OFF |
| 04:25.49 | infernix | tries a different usb cable |
| 04:26.09 | sparkle | make sure it's a usb 2.0 port |
| 04:26.19 | sparkle | that tripped me up for a while |
| 04:26.24 | marix | no hub business either |
| 04:26.28 | Leeds | aren't you using the cable which came with it? |
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| 04:27.02 | TiberiumX | The thing that "DroidSans Tweak T..." is supposed to enable? |
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| 04:27.12 | infernix | i had an old usb cable. anyway, new usb cable, same data corruption |
| 04:27.34 | infernix | board is an intel 965 so theres nothing wrong with the usb. besides, no data corruption on any of my other usb devices (or i'd have known) |
| 04:27.45 | luok | have you tried the flash card in other readers |
| 04:27.48 | TiberiumX | How are you unmounting/remounting? |
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| 04:28.08 | infernix | type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=007,user=infernix) |
| 04:28.14 | infernix | fstab entry |
| 04:28.22 | infernix | just like any other usb device |
| 04:28.29 | infernix | tries to find usb cardreader |
| 04:28.40 | TiberiumX | Is your SD card maybe failing? |
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| 04:29.20 | infernix | it might be, 4GB class 6 i think, not the newest |
| 04:29.41 | TiberiumX | Well, you could see if you get corruption on the 1GB that it came with. |
| 04:30.00 | Lieutenant | sparkle found the transition effects? |
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| 04:30.30 | JesusFreke | I've gotten corruption a few times as well |
| 04:30.53 | JesusFreke | my G1's seems particularly sensitive to RF interference |
| 04:31.12 | marix | what are these transition effect you speak of |
| 04:31.42 | JesusFreke | if I plug in my BT dongle into my computer near where the USB cable is (like into the same set of ports), it really screws up my usb connection to the G1 |
| 04:32.18 | JesusFreke | I can get an adb shell for a few seconds, then it goes back to command line and I can't connect with adb at all until I take out/put in the usb cable |
| 04:32.53 | JesusFreke | and just in general, I've got a corrupted file every once in a while when copying via adb push or copying when the sdcard is mounted on my computer |
| 04:33.34 | JesusFreke | make sure you're plugging directly into the computer, and use the shortest cable you have. Other than that.. just keep trying I guess |
| 04:33.51 | infernix | JesusFreke: ok so you just copy data to the sd with a card reader? especially recovery.img and friends? |
| 04:33.56 | Damm | that's fucking weird. |
| 04:34.02 | marix | jesusfreke, is there any location where i could find a change log for v1.1 and v1.2 of the modified rc30? |
| 04:34.21 | marix | and perhaps a roadmap for next update? |
| 04:34.33 | infernix | ok, confirmed that sdhc card is fine |
| 04:34.33 | JesusFreke | well, I didn't have a card reader at the time. It usually worked on the 2nd try |
| 04:34.36 | Damm | marix, you ask JF fr more then Google does? |
| 04:34.37 | Damm | damn |
| 04:34.41 | Damm | for* |
| 04:35.08 | JesusFreke | here are the contents of my todo list for v1.3 :) |
| 04:35.20 | JesusFreke | (it may not be totally up to date.. have looked at it in a few days) |
| 04:35.24 | marix | i don't want him to go out and make it, but if he already has one... |
| 04:35.28 | JesusFreke | add "using test keys" in recovery image |
| 04:35.28 | JesusFreke | prevent the common error in recovery image |
| 04:35.28 | JesusFreke | strip binaries in xbin, add more binaries/modules |
| 04:35.28 | JesusFreke | modules/binaries/scripts for BT tethering |
| 04:35.28 | JesusFreke | modules/binaries/scripts for ad-hoc wifi tethering |
| 04:35.29 | JesusFreke | create a link for cp, grep, wget |
| 04:35.31 | JesusFreke | add koush's superuser app |
| 04:35.33 | JesusFreke | add a ro.modversion property |
| 04:35.35 | JesusFreke | fix permissions in xbin |
| 04:35.38 | JesusFreke | woo. didn't kick me for spamming |
| 04:35.53 | infernix | what about using yaffs instead of vfat on the sd card? |
| 04:36.31 | JesusFreke | no clue infernix :). give it a shot and let me know if it works :D |
| 04:36.41 | infernix | my RC28 is on its way |
| 04:36.45 | infernix | i'll soon join :) |
| 04:36.55 | JesusFreke | ah :) |
| 04:37.02 | marix | huh? |
| 04:37.25 | JesusFreke | **haven't looked at it in a few days (from a few comments ago) |
| 04:38.05 | infernix | yep, definite file corruption when copying only 55mb of data |
| 04:38.31 | infernix | bt is off, only thing i can think of is my wireless mouse or my Wii which is in standby |
| 04:39.00 | JesusFreke | I have no idea if this will help, but try placing the phone as near to the usb port as you can and coiling the cord |
| 04:39.01 | infernix | will try it on my laptop later |
| 04:39.20 | JesusFreke | I figure it might be less of an RF antenna that way. *shrug* |
| 04:39.41 | JesusFreke | might be even more of one.. lol |
| 04:39.50 | marix | throw it in a copper mesh box |
| 04:40.09 | JesusFreke | or wrap some aluminum foil around it? :D |
| 04:40.28 | JesusFreke | puts an aluminum foil hat on his G1 |
| 04:41.52 | infernix | negative |
| 04:41.58 | infernix | different md5sum every time i copy |
| 04:42.05 | JesusFreke | sighs |
| 04:42.23 | JesusFreke | no clue then. heh |
| 04:42.30 | infernix | now the kicker is, is this a problem in the usb mount app on the phone |
| 04:42.34 | infernix | or is the hardware broken |
| 04:42.45 | infernix | you said it occurs with adb too? |
| 04:42.46 | TiberiumX | Consistet md5sum when you run it multiple times on the same copy? |
| 04:42.54 | infernix | TiberiumX: different md5sum each time |
| 04:42.56 | JesusFreke | yeah, it does with mine, infernix |
| 04:43.25 | JesusFreke | adb push gets corrupted sometimes (probably more often even) |
| 04:43.47 | infernix | its a simple routine. mount android; cp 50mb.bin android/; umount android; mount android; md5sum 50mb.bin android/50mb.bin; umount android; |
| 04:44.14 | infernix | i suggest you test it if you want to listen to uncorrupted mp3s :) |
| 04:44.34 | infernix | this might also very well explain why i have been trying for hours and hours to get my encoded video to play |
| 04:44.43 | infernix | it being larger it must've corrupted even more |
| 04:44.52 | JesusFreke | yeah, more than likely |
| 04:45.10 | JesusFreke | you might try throwing the file on a web server with a .xxx extension, and downloading it on the G1 |
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| 04:45.34 | TiberiumX | There is an FTP application out now. |
| 04:45.39 | TiberiumX | Try that |
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| 04:55.09 | mrios | Hi everyone, I'm trying to run my first Android app but I'm having problems trying to bind an event to a button. Here's the code of the activity, the runtime error occurs in line 48. Do you see what's happening? |
| 04:56.06 | mrios | Code: http://slexy.org/view/s20l6ynGIt |
| 04:57.28 | TiberiumX | What exception does it throw? |
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| 04:59.53 | mrios | TiberiumX I'm trying to look for that in the debugger: The only exception I see is: "InvocationTargetException |
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| 05:22.00 | TiberiumX | Why do Cursors no longer support updating the database contents? Google keeps teasing me with cool stuff in their own applications, that they promptly ripped out for SDK 1.0. |
| 05:27.47 | jbq | TiberiumX: It actually created a lot of unexpected behaviors in content providers: it was far from obvious that query() was actually a read-write APIs. |
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| 05:30.42 | jbq | Also, they made it annoyingly hard to implement fine-grained update-time security in content providers, because the way cursors got data was different from what content providers get. |
| 05:31.03 | tripps | one really annoying behavior on my G1 is when you switch back to the browser application it reloads the current page. is this a feature or bug? |
| 05:31.25 | jbq | Finally, you couldn't insert in a cursor, so the API was somewhat incomplete since you couldn't even do with a cursor everything you could do with a straight provider. |
| 05:31.40 | jbq | tripps: let's call that an unfortunate feature ;-) |
| 05:32.44 | tripps | jbq, any particular reason for it? it's especially insidious as it's an expensive operation given the b/w and operating environment of the device it would seem |
| 05:34.42 | jbq | I don't remember. Might just have been the more logical action in the regular Android application lifecycle. |
| 05:35.58 | TiberiumX | I see. So I guess there is no intention of bringing that back in the future? |
| 05:36.15 | tripps | jbq, any plans to modify this behavior? or at least have a configuration setting for it? |
| 05:36.19 | jbq | TiberiumX: definitely not. We're trying to remove it from the implementation entirely. |
| 05:36.55 | jbq | tripps: I don't know. I've got less and less visibility into the browser team as I've moved to another team. |
| 05:36.57 | TiberiumX | So what's with the transition effects that are now enabled by "DroidSans Tweak Tools"? Does that cause problems with some applications? |
| 05:37.30 | jbq | Yeah, transitions aren't quite working 100%. |
| 05:37.42 | tripps | jbq, cool. perhaps I'll submit something on the site and see what happens. |
| 05:38.03 | TiberiumX | Haven't run into anything yet, but I haven't played around with it much. |
| 05:48.38 | G94B | guys, all of the apps in the android store are free, is that going to change in the future? |
| 05:48.53 | Leeds | G94B: yes |
| 05:49.21 | G94B | ok, because i was wondering how developers would be motivated |
| 05:49.29 | G94B | did they give a date? |
| 05:49.46 | Leeds | I think you have to buy them dinner first |
| 05:50.15 | G94B | :-) |
| 05:50.16 | marix | show em a good time and they will do anything |
| 05:50.37 | G94B | what languages can be used to develope on android besides java? |
| 05:51.26 | jbq | G94B: at this point there are no other supported options. Some people have managed to run native code, but if you do that you're on your own. |
| 05:52.10 | G94B | ok, i was just wondering, i'm a newbie programmer with a slight interest in learning how one goes about writing software are having it sold |
| 05:52.41 | G94B | so i guess i want to learn java if i'm going to write an android app :-) |
| 05:52.44 | jbq | At this point you should consider the Java programming language if you're interested in Android. |
| 05:52.47 | jbq | yes |
| 05:52.50 | G94B | cool |
| 05:52.54 | G94B | thank you |
| 05:53.39 | G94B | laters |
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| 06:01.33 | tripps | any updates as to when the music player (which has a ton of bugs) will support streaming audio? |
| 06:01.53 | jbq | I thought it did |
| 06:02.56 | tripps | jbq, i'll check now to see, but it hasn't any time I've tried it |
| 06:04.05 | jbq | it should be able to stream mpeg audio. |
| 06:04.44 | tripps | just says "sorry, the player does not support this type of audio file" when launching a pls from shoutcast |
| 06:05.15 | jbq | I don't think it can read the shoutcast stream descriptors, you might have to find a straight mpeg stream. |
| 06:06.46 | tripps | ok. trying somafm (unless that's also the same thing). |
| 06:07.34 | Leeds | it will play streaming audio just fine |
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| 06:07.52 | tripps | same thing, "sorry, the player does not support this type of audio file" |
| 06:08.02 | Leeds | yeah, somafm is a pls file |
| 06:08.04 | tripps | Leeds, could you point me to somewhere I can test to verify? |
| 06:08.17 | tripps | is it pls that it doesn't support then? |
| 06:08.25 | jbq | tripps: yes. |
| 06:08.27 | Leeds | correct |
| 06:08.39 | tripps | then I guess I should rephrase my question :) when will the music player support pls files ;) |
| 06:08.56 | jbq | literally "when someone implements support for it". |
| 06:08.57 | Leeds | if you look inside a pls file you will see the URLs for the actual stream |
| 06:09.09 | tripps | ok - I'll try that |
| 06:09.51 | jbq | Amusingly, someone could implement a shoutcast app that parses the descriptor and launches the media player on the actual stream. No need to modify the system. |
| 06:10.06 | Leeds | jbq: that sounds like a plan :-) |
| 06:10.21 | Leeds | all I need to do is... y'know, work out how to write anything more complex than hello world in java |
| 06:10.29 | jbq | :) |
| 06:10.55 | Leeds | why couldn't you have taken a hint from the app engine folks and gone for python as your only supported language? huh??? |
| 06:11.10 | Leeds | because that has lead to such wide adoption of app engine... |
| 06:11.26 | jbq | Leeds: actually Guido advocated for Python pretty heavily as you can imagine. |
| 06:11.33 | Leeds | what I need to do is stop my life interfering with my coding :-) |
| 06:11.50 | Leeds | oh, cool... wonder what the chances are of getting a serious python->dalvik thing going at some point |
| 06:11.57 | jbq | yeah, well, the other option is for coding to consume all your life... |
| 06:12.18 | unix_infidel | jbq: well the Jython bridge relies heavily on JNI for a lot of the non supported Python stuff. though, it'd be a total mess trying to port within the timeframe you guys had. |
| 06:12.28 | Leeds | that ain't gonna happen... I live in a party town and have a slightly clingy girlfriend :-) |
| 06:12.59 | jbq | Leeds: you have a girlfriend? I thought you said you wanted to code! You got it all wrong... ;-) |
| 06:13.20 | jbq | (j/k, I met my wife on IRC after we argued about the product I was working on at the time) |
| 06:13.24 | unix_infidel | thinks Leeds needs to take a lesson from that CodeMonkey song. |
| 06:13.30 | Leeds | this week, I have had some social thing or other on Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday... |
| 06:13.46 | Leeds | jbq: my gf saw my photo on facebook and added me... that's how we met |
| 06:14.03 | jbq | cool! |
| 06:14.14 | unix_infidel | 3rd couple I've met that found eachother through facebook...ack. |
| 06:14.28 | unix_infidel | (...this week) |
| 06:14.44 | jbq | Leeds, I assume you know the joke about the architect, the artist and the engineer, right? |
| 06:15.03 | Leeds | nope? |
| 06:15.26 | jbq | http://blog.miragestudio7.com/2006/02/architect-artist-and-engineer/ |
| 06:16.00 | eugene | Leeds: that's cool |
| 06:16.01 | Leeds | heh, had heard it but not recently |
| 06:16.16 | Leeds | eugene: you could have met her last week :-P |
| 06:16.18 | TiberiumX | Haha |
| 06:16.26 | tripps | meh . . . . "cannot download. the size of the item cannot be determined" when plugging in straight URL of stream |
| 06:16.36 | Leeds | tripps: plugged into where? |
| 06:16.47 | eugene | Leeds: i am sure you will come visit me again |
| 06:16.59 | tripps | Leeds, browser. shows music icon so it knows what app I wish to use |
| 06:17.15 | tripps | unless I'm supposed to be doing something else |
| 06:17.25 | tripps | other problem is pls shows tons of items all with diff URLs |
| 06:17.50 | tripps | we really just need a music player that supports streaming pls ala treo, nokia and just about every other smart phone I've ever owned |
| 06:18.03 | Leeds | tripps: pay me to write it - I'll put it on my list :-) |
| 06:18.15 | tripps | :) |
| 06:18.23 | jbq | Yes, at this point it's weak. I think that it took quite some effort to get any audio to play at all. |
| 06:18.52 | tripps | jbq, no doubt. tons of bugs/"features" in it as well. sounds good though playing straight mp3s tho |
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| 06:19.05 | Leeds | jbq: not sure if you saw when I mentioned before - I was informally offered work developing an android app (to complement an existing iphone app) by someone I know last night |
| 06:19.17 | eugene | Leeds: saw a new aussie android phone. looks like a treo but the screen looks small |
| 06:19.52 | Leeds | yup, saw that... one interesting point is that it does have a different resolution screen (320x240) from the G1 - I think a lot of apps will trip up on that |
| 06:20.15 | tripps | what is the res of the G1? |
| 06:20.24 | Leeds | 480x320, isn't it? |
| 06:20.24 | TiberiumX | 320x480? |
| 06:20.34 | tripps | cool |
| 06:20.38 | Leeds | er, yes, the other way round |
| 06:20.41 | jbq | yes, the first device that's not a G1 will cause a bit of pain. Yup, G1 is half-VGA. |
| 06:21.19 | tripps | can't wait until accel based land/port swapping and soft keys! some android apps in the market use accel to swap format and it works very well methinks |
| 06:21.38 | Leeds | as long as it's optional - always optional |
| 06:21.42 | tripps | right |
| 06:21.47 | tripps | agreed |
| 06:22.11 | jbq | The limiting factor when switching orientations typically isn't the actual drawing. |
| 06:22.42 | tripps | what is it then? |
| 06:22.45 | TiberiumX | Any way to increase the jpeg quality that the home screen uses when you set a background? Some images end up looking really crappy on there. |
| 06:23.05 | jbq | reading resources and doing the actual layout is typically the limiting factor. |
| 06:23.21 | jbq | TiberiumX: no at the moment. The quality is set too low :( |
| 06:23.53 | Leeds | and more to the point - I meant to poke romainguy about this - is it just me who often sees upwards of 5 second pauses while it loads that screen? |
| 06:24.22 | tripps | really the web, gmail and messaging apps is where I would use it the most. quick 2-3 word responses to SMS that I have to open the keyboard, etc. |
| 06:24.25 | TiberiumX | Yeah, I get that. |
| 06:24.25 | jbq | Leeds: it happens if home had been kicked out and if there's a lot of filesystem activity while loading the icons and the background. |
| 06:24.43 | TiberiumX | It happens when I've been using the phone too long and crap has accumulated. |
| 06:25.06 | Leeds | that is what I assumed - but I thought home would be pinned |
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| 06:25.10 | TiberiumX | Some applications are really bad about starting a bunch of services and never closing them. |
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| 06:25.30 | TiberiumX | And services are higher priority than any activity, including the home screen, correct? |
| 06:25.33 | tripps | TiberiumX, amen to that |
| 06:25.46 | tripps | speaking of which when will be able to kill/close apps? |
| 06:26.01 | jbq | TiberiumX: yeah, that happens a lot of you leave apps in the background (home is only one of the background apps). Things end to be better when you actually exit the apps. |
| 06:26.10 | unix_infidel | writes down taskmanager and IMF on tripps holiday wishlist. |
| 06:26.21 | jbq | I meant, when you exist the activity. |
| 06:26.35 | jbq | (can't exit an app on android, it's always there once it's installed) |
| 06:27.19 | TiberiumX | How do you exit an activity? You mean backing out (with the back button) vs. pressing Home? |
| 06:27.25 | jbq | TiberiumX: yes |
| 06:27.30 | unix_infidel | and android kills app based on....dynamic conditions? |
| 06:27.49 | Leeds | so which way cleans things up more? home or back? |
| 06:27.53 | jbq | unix_infidel: it kills processes that way. |
| 06:27.57 | jbq | Leeds: back. |
| 06:28.06 | TiberiumX | \me closes his inactive servies during onStop(). |
| 06:28.14 | TiberiumX | Argh, it's forward slash. |
| 06:28.14 | tripps | but that isn't always the case. like I switch back and forth between processes using the back key and it leaves it where it was |
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| 06:28.50 | unix_infidel | tripps: cleans things up, not call destroy. |
| 06:28.58 | Leeds | unix_infidel: there's a bunch of stuff in the docs about how process priority is calculated |
| 06:29.02 | jbq | tripps: it leaves an empty process behind. takes little RAM, not CPU, and speeds up relaunching the app in case it can be kept around. |
| 06:29.09 | tripps | gotcha |
| 06:29.19 | jbq | those empty processes are the first ones to leave when memory gets tight. |
| 06:29.27 | illusion | hey, have u guys tried to play video with the emulator? |
| 06:30.01 | Leeds | so the empty process is a vm with a little state? |
| 06:30.03 | tripps | like today I was using teedroid on the golf course, which was always active, then responded to emails and texts using the notification bar then backed up to teedroid. worked well and expected behavior IMO |
| 06:30.04 | illusion | ive got some codes (maybe old) but it seems like doesnt work. |
| 06:30.07 | unix_infidel | Honestly, most people'd prefer that method though, power users will want to kill apps, most people just want to know it's doing the best it can in a relatively intelligent fashion. |
| 06:30.13 | jbq | Leeds: yes. |
| 06:30.31 | tripps | agrees with unix_infidel |
| 06:30.47 | RyeBrye | I reboot my phone every once in a while |
| 06:30.58 | Leeds | there are times when you know you're done with something, or you can feel the system getting a little sluggish, where you want to 'reset' without rebooting |
| 06:31.00 | jbq | unix_infidel: what's really needed is some way to determine which apps (if any) are actually potentially misbehaving, and allow the user to make decisions based on that. |
| 06:31.15 | TiberiumX | Gah, I'd hate having to manage programs on a phone, and I hate having to reboot. |
| 06:31.25 | Leeds | I'm at 191 hours since a reboot - that's quite a long time |
| 06:31.50 | RyeBrye | My phone reports an uptime that goes back to january 1, 1970 |
| 06:31.52 | tripps | I think a battery saving feature would be the screen auto-dims after 20 seconds of inactivity rather than right before it goes blank. that behavior kinda seems useless ;) |
| 06:32.04 | RyeBrye | Right now, it's uptime is 341214:31:58 |
| 06:32.05 | unix_infidel | jbq: Agreed. though DDMS is great, it's not a great way to "Profile" how your app behaves over long periods of time. |
| 06:32.21 | Leeds | RyeBrye: not uptime - the battery info panel has stats |
| 06:32.31 | unix_infidel | especially visualizing the profile, which is what management folks and architects want to do. |
| 06:32.46 | RyeBrye | Leeds - which panel? |
| 06:33.09 | Leeds | RyeBrye: I'm actually not sure how to get to it conventionally, but anycut lets you create a shortcut to it |
| 06:33.13 | jbq | tripps: yeah, dimming earlier before locking would be sweet... the mechanism around locking and stuff is surprisingly complex, though. |
| 06:33.30 | RyeBrye | Leeds - my time since boot in Battery info is: "341214:33:14" - something is screwed up in my system with how it reports uptime |
| 06:33.48 | RyeBrye | probably somethign to do with a strange tweak in my boot.img or something |
| 06:33.52 | tripps | also strange none of the battery management apps on market do anything about G2 vs. G3 setting though they take care of everything else |
| 06:34.29 | DarkriftX | anyone tried those transition effect apks from xda-devs? |
| 06:34.37 | sparkle | yeah |
| 06:34.39 | TiberiumX | On the G1, is there any way to turn on audio output headphones, but keep the microphone input on the phone? I plug in my headphones and it trys to do speaker and microphone through the port at the bottom. |
| 06:34.42 | DarkriftX | worth the effort? |
| 06:34.44 | sparkle | i was so thankful i could use them to disable the effects completely |
| 06:34.45 | TiberiumX | Yeah, really cool. |
| 06:34.49 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - there are more of them? I'm just using the one on the market |
| 06:34.55 | sparkle | you can turn off some of the slow slide/transition you get sometimes |
| 06:34.58 | sparkle | i hate that :p |
| 06:35.45 | RyeBrye | Has anyone poked around to see if the MSM7201A has USB host - and if it's possible to enable it in the driver? |
| 06:36.09 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: iirc it was pointed out it's not available out of the box, not sure what sort of hackery can be done. |
| 06:36.18 | jbq | You mean, USB host? |
| 06:37.10 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 06:38.10 | jbq | The 7201 can be wired that way with additional support electronics, but the G1 doesn't have that. |
| 06:38.13 | RyeBrye | jbq - so it needs to offload the host to something? |
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| 06:38.58 | jbq | The issue is primarily power management. The data pins can be wired straight through, but you need to power the data pins. |
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| 06:39.10 | jbq | (at least that's what I've heard, I'm not an expert). |
| 06:39.23 | RyeBrye | jbq - right - on the other HTC devices that have USB host they have to have a funky data + power cable to enable it |
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| 06:40.11 | RyeBrye | jbq - just out of curiosity, do you know if there are ANY kind of specs for the msm7201 that are public? Qualcomm has about 2 paragraphs of marketing information that is less than helpful |
| 06:40.17 | RyeBrye | at least that's all I've found |
| 06:40.20 | jbq | RyeBrye: I have no idea. |
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| 06:40.58 | RyeBrye | jbq - I'm sure if you find any files on the network over there that they are ok to share... just ignore any kind of "confidential" or "proprietary" watermarks ;) |
| 06:41.25 | jbq | RyeBrye: sure. |
| 06:41.39 | jbq | How about this? http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=kernel/msm.git;a=summary |
| 06:42.00 | DarkriftX | what is the "light hinting" ? |
| 06:42.10 | Leeds | RyeBrye: did you see what I said about the battery panel? did you reply? bouncy IRC... |
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| 06:43.10 | RyeBrye | Leeds - yes - my battery panel also has the same bogus uptime. It reports accurate "time when charging" and "ON time" |
| 06:43.22 | Leeds | weird |
| 06:43.26 | Leeds | I blame JesusFreke :-P |
| 06:43.37 | RyeBrye | I think I've got my own boot.img on here now |
| 06:43.39 | eugene | Leeds: sometimes i wonder how much time you work :D |
| 06:43.46 | Leeds | eugene: what is this 'work' thing? |
| 06:44.01 | Leeds | I'm bursty |
| 06:44.06 | eugene | haha |
| 06:46.35 | TiberiumX | Does anyone know if any of the file managers out there support recursive delete of a directory? (Bender doesn't) |
| 06:46.55 | Leeds | probably safer if they don't... |
| 06:47.28 | JesusFreke | cries. "Everyone always blames me!" |
| 06:48.03 | jbq | JesusFreke: that's how it feels to distribute something ;-) |
| 06:48.23 | Leeds | JesusFreke: don't worry, I blame jbq and romainguy as well |
| 06:48.28 | JesusFreke | :) |
| 06:49.08 | JesusFreke | don't worry, I'll just put in an easter egg just for you in the next update, to brick your phone |
| 06:49.13 | JesusFreke | grins evilly |
| 06:49.18 | jbq | cries. "It's always my fault!" |
| 06:49.35 | Leeds | as it happens... |
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| 06:49.41 | JesusFreke | cries. "no it's not. It's mine!" |
| 06:50.06 | JesusFreke | my fault I tell you! you can't steal my fault away from me! |
| 06:50.09 | Leeds | eh, I've been part of the team for a couple of OSs in my time... I know |
| 06:50.10 | tripps | so what is the process whereby the gps decides to launch in the background for no apparent reason? |
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| 06:52.00 | jbq | tripps: basically, when an app decides it wants to get location. Probably some app you've installed, because I don't think that any of the built-in apps do that. |
| 06:52.39 | tripps | jbq, it seems to do it even after booting up, if I wait long enough. perhaps some app is in the startup sequence? any way to tell which one? |
| 06:53.05 | tripps | bbiab. store closing up here. |
| 06:53.09 | jbermudes | sorry for the silly question, but does the g1 have any internal storage or just the sd slot? |
| 06:53.21 | jbq | jbermudes: there's a bit of internal storage. |
| 06:53.24 | TiberiumX | Looks like Android File Manager does. Slowly. And it crashes the Music app even though it wasn't playing anything from that directory. |
| 06:54.01 | TiberiumX | A little bit. I could probably fill it up just with tip calculators. |
| 06:54.10 | jbermudes | jbq: ah, I figured, thanks |
| 06:58.13 | rwhitby | jbq: is this legit? http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/android-powered-kogan-agora-pro-mobile-phone/ |
| 06:58.40 | JesusFreke | why wouldn't it be? :) |
| 06:58.45 | grey- | oh that looks nice. |
| 06:58.50 | grey- | more like my old e62. |
| 06:59.25 | rwhitby | it's just that I haven't heard about it in the normal tech news |
| 06:59.27 | grey- | can't tell if that's a scroll wheel. |
| 06:59.33 | grey- | but I assume it is. |
| 06:59.38 | rwhitby | I would have thought that perhaps the second android handset would be news? |
| 06:59.51 | grey- | one thing the g1 [and so far other android phones I've seen] lacks compared to the sidekick is the dpad. |
| 06:59.55 | grey- | which is kinda sad. :( |
| 07:00.15 | grey- | that phone looks really slick though. |
| 07:00.34 | jbq | rwhitby: Well, Android is open-source, so anyone can make a phone with it. Time will tell whether it's vaporware or not. |
| 07:00.41 | rwhitby | pity it's screen res is less than my Treo650 :-( |
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| 07:00.57 | unix_infidel | rwhitby: it's also resistive. |
| 07:01.02 | rwhitby | why can't I have a 320x320 phone with keyboard on the front :-( |
| 07:01.20 | grey- | rwhitby: give it time; that nokia running android certainly looked relatively highres. |
| 07:01.27 | grey- | maybe 640x480 or 800x600? |
| 07:01.30 | unix_infidel | grey-: nokia? |
| 07:01.32 | grey- | large frigging things those nokia's. |
| 07:01.33 | rwhitby | unix_infidel: meh - a good UI means you should never have to touch the screen anyway ... |
| 07:01.35 | grey- | unix_infidel: errr... |
| 07:01.46 | grey- | unix_infidel: someone got android running on one of the nokia linux pockettablets. |
| 07:01.55 | unix_infidel | grey-: n800? |
| 07:01.56 | grey- | http://www.talkandroid.com/65-google-android-nokia-n810/ |
| 07:01.59 | rwhitby | n810 |
| 07:02.04 | jsharkey | rwhitby: hmm i wonder if the new homescreen really looks like that in QVGA mode (the app drawer on the right) |
| 07:02.24 | unix_infidel | installed is not functional. |
| 07:02.27 | grey- | albeit afaik most of those nokia's don't have a gsm/etc. radio, so not so useful. |
| 07:02.40 | jbq | super-dense screens aren't necessarily an advantage: that's more data to move around, i.e. more battery consumption and less speed. |
| 07:02.45 | rwhitby | yeah, the definition of "running" on the n810 is very loose |
| 07:03.00 | rwhitby | jbq: but more email I can read on the screen at a time |
| 07:03.24 | grey- | jbq: extra res can be handy at times. That said, the connectbot is a kickass ssh client that thankfully properly displays [just about] and 80x24 terminal, which is really my most important gripe with most cell phone screen resolutions. |
| 07:03.27 | jbq | rwhitby: true, if your eyes are good enough. |
| 07:03.33 | rwhitby | on the treo, the summary email screen has 12 messages with 2 lines (sender, time, subject) for each |
| 07:03.50 | rwhitby | then an individual message has 13 lines of text |
| 07:03.57 | unix_infidel | jsharkey: agreed, would like to see some best practices come out for different device and input models, and at the very least, different resolutions. |
| 07:04.03 | grey- | I mean... let's be honest, android's UI doesn't conserve screen real estate at all. |
| 07:04.11 | jbq | extra res makes sense for CJK, less for latin. |
| 07:04.13 | grey- | but bigger menu's = more to touch. |
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| 07:04.37 | unix_infidel | hopefully a proper framework for handling differerent device profiles. |
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| 07:04.43 | rwhitby | and it has 42 characters of text per line in the email view |
| 07:05.13 | grey- | jbq: well already g1 can display unicode/cjkv just fine. The IME is what's lacking until q1 I guess. |
| 07:05.13 | rwhitby | I've yet to see any other phone with a keyboard on the front (i.e. not a slide) which can show that much text in a readable format on the screen. |
| 07:05.21 | jbq | finger-based touch requires quite some large touch areas, and if the spacing between touchable and non-touchable areas is too inconsistent it looks really weird. |
| 07:05.49 | jbq | I meant, high-density screens make more sense for CJK markets than latin markets. |
| 07:06.01 | rwhitby | would love a phone that has a colour ncurses interface ... |
| 07:06.05 | grey- | rwhitby: my e62 (and presumably the e71) nokia's had nonslide keyboards and were decent at displaying lotsa txt (that said symbian sucks for most other things) |
| 07:06.25 | jsharkey | mmmmmm ncurses =D |
| 07:06.30 | grey- | jbq: true. but higher res doesn't always mean easier to read. ;) |
| 07:06.41 | rwhitby | grey-: yeah, but the keyboards on them don't rate against the treo keyboard |
| 07:06.44 | unix_infidel | asus is coming out with a QVGA phone with a fairly fast ARM in there. |
| 07:06.51 | unix_infidel | should be interesting. |
| 07:07.04 | jbq | Yeah. 6-pixel text at 240 dpi is challenging for most people ;-) |
| 07:07.08 | grey- | jbq: if the dpi goes up but the physical screen size stays the same unless you've got some larger fonts just means you're squinting more. |
| 07:07.49 | grey- | rwhitby: haven't used a treo; but the e61 had IMNSHO better keyboards than the g1, blackberries and samsung (i730)'s I've used. |
| 07:07.50 | jbq | Anyway, the Android APIs are supposed to be able to deal with screens of varying densities and pixel couns. |
| 07:07.56 | jbq | (counts) |
| 07:07.59 | grey- | jbq: *nod* |
| 07:08.12 | grey- | I bought the g1 knowing I would replace it with a better device later. |
| 07:08.21 | jbq | is starting to fall asleep, will head to bed. |
| 07:08.22 | grey- | that said, I wasn't expecting a device like that to be out so soon, that looks sweet. |
| 07:08.29 | rwhitby | grey-: note that later treos than the 650 have keyboards that are not as good |
| 07:08.38 | rwhitby | e.g. the Treo pro keyboard is not good at all |
| 07:08.40 | grey- | rwhitby: :-/ |
| 07:08.50 | unix_infidel | grey-: no major provider or carrier have teamed up to make later a seductive enough option to wait. |
| 07:08.59 | unix_infidel | earliest q3 09 is an infinity. |
| 07:09.00 | grey- | rwhitby: I've noticed the sidekicks have really gotten their keyboards down pat now... sk2008 has -great- keyboard. |
| 07:09.07 | grey- | skII and such, not so much. |
| 07:09.18 | DarkriftX | fuck |
| 07:09.21 | DarkriftX | xchat is being a pain in the ass |
| 07:09.28 | RyeBrye | once the market lets you sell apps, I'm going to sell flashlight applications to the masses for $10 a piece and make enough to buy every android phone that comes out |
| 07:09.31 | grey- | unix_infidel: yeah, for me the timing was perfect to get a g1, my at&t contract ran up the week it was released pretty much. |
| 07:09.32 | DarkriftX | keeps losing my ip and i cant dcc chat my bot |
| 07:09.34 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 07:09.37 | grey- | RyeBrye: lulz |
| 07:09.45 | rwhitby | grey-: sidekick is one of those locked down US-only devices? |
| 07:09.47 | grey- | I haven't checked the marketplace in a week (busy with work) |
| 07:09.58 | DarkriftX | well ill sell mine (yours with a new name) for $9 and make more than you! |
| 07:09.59 | grey- | rwhitby: sidekick is available elsewhere too iirc, but very tied to tmobile in the US these days I think. |
| 07:10.01 | RyeBrye | I check the market a few times a day to see what is new |
| 07:10.15 | grey- | rwhitby: but danger (the people who design it) lost a lot of people to android. ;) |
| 07:10.21 | grey- | lost is probably the wrong word. |
| 07:10.26 | grey- | many danger people left to found android. |
| 07:10.28 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - mine will have an Apple logo on it until I get a C&D letter - so it will be worth the $10 |
| 07:10.35 | grey- | rwhitby: very similar device, but closed. ;-/ |
| 07:10.41 | rwhitby | and a slider too |
| 07:10.46 | grey- | rwhitby: android is very much sidekick 2.0 |
| 07:10.48 | unix_infidel | wonders when he will see a G1 with a mini apple logo on the back ;-) |
| 07:11.08 | grey- | rwhitby: and sharp over the years got their hardware manufacturing for the sidekick down to quite the refined product. |
| 07:11.12 | DarkriftX | mine will have the MS logo, apple logo and google logo on it |
| 07:11.13 | DarkriftX | beat that! |
| 07:11.16 | jbq | android has lots of people from danger, palmsource, openwave, and be. |
| 07:11.19 | DarkriftX | wait, scratch the MS logo :S |
| 07:11.32 | Leeds | jbq: and one or two from google? |
| 07:11.55 | grey- | rwhitby: pretty much dead as a platform though. I've got one friend left there, and since the MS buyout, it sounds like they may pushout the 3g sidekick as the last true sidekick and then who knows... there's rumours brewing of a zune-phone [but I kinda shudder to think what will come of that] |
| 07:12.01 | jbq | Leeds: you mean, who worked on other Google products before? Sure, quite a few in fact. |
| 07:12.32 | rwhitby | the zune phone would have to be the antithesis of android, right? |
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| 07:12.53 | Leeds | surely the zune phone is just a winmob phone with zune.exe supplied? |
| 07:13.26 | rwhitby | Leeds: it's bound to have something tied into the OS that no other licensee of winmob can get ... |
| 07:13.26 | grey- | rwhitby: but for example... one of the initiatives at danger (pre-ms buyout) was to remove the somewhat newos-based underpinnings and instead use netbsd. Albeit in either case (similar to linux on android) it's ostensibly just a glorified bootloader for a jvm (dalvik in android's case, but the sidekick basically had a very similar design) |
| 07:14.35 | DarkriftX | w00t |
| 07:15.15 | rwhitby | ah, the fine print: "The design of the Kogan Agora and Kogan Agora Pro, when dispatched, will be materially similar to the images set out on this website. Despite this, Kogan Technologies reserves the right to make non-material modifications to the design of the phones in its sole discretion." |
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| 07:15.34 | grey- | rwhitby: well it's early december, and they're shooting for a late january 2009 launch. |
| 07:15.38 | grey- | no doubt things will change a bit. |
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| 07:16.02 | grey- | still that's a nice formfactor. |
| 07:16.03 | rwhitby | um, I would have thought for a jan 2009 launch that mass production would need to have started. |
| 07:16.16 | grey- | I prefer nonslide/flip/etc. |
| 07:16.24 | rwhitby | grey-: you and me both |
| 07:16.27 | grey- | qwerty keyboards + trackballs are enough moving parts to break. |
| 07:16.44 | grey- | but at least they have less travel and thus lower likelihood of more force being exerted to break them. |
| 07:16.57 | rwhitby | drop the trackball - to hard to move it with the thumb on a bumpy bus |
| 07:17.08 | grey- | I really like the trackball usage with the ui |
| 07:17.32 | grey- | but the touch/drag/scroll on the touchscreen I find myself using a LOT more than the trackball, which is something I never expected. |
| 07:17.54 | grey- | even with my samsung i730 I rarely used the touchscreen (needed a stylus basically, huge pain in the ass). I really like the android touch ui implementation. |
| 07:18.13 | grey- | people complain about it not being as smooth as the iphone. |
| 07:18.16 | grey- | or the lack of multitouch... |
| 07:18.31 | grey- | but seems very smooth already and I'm sure it can/will improve. |
| 07:18.43 | grey- | and well there's all that stuff about the multitouch already, so who knows where that will lead. (: |
| 07:19.15 | grey- | I think the biggest irony, one of the reasons I bought earlier was to make sure I could maintain local root by getting a pre-RC30 device. |
| 07:20.00 | grey- | and yet, I really haven't had any use for local root at all so far; I'm more pleased with the g1/android basically stock than I've been with any other phone I've had, despite some annoyances, they're leagues better than shit I've used in the past. |
| 07:20.11 | grey- | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:20.31 | grey- | I s'pose if it were more broken I'd be inspired to hack on it more though. |
| 07:22.25 | grey- | goes back to late night work of hacking on new antispam system for work. |
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| 08:42.28 | anno^da_ | could someone tell me the right codec for the video player. I'm using Handbrake with video settings mp4 container/H264 codec and for audio AAC |
| 08:42.46 | anno^da_ | So I'm getting a mp4 file but I cant get it playing |
| 08:43.03 | anno^da_ | is there some special location to put it on the sd card or whats the trick about this video player |
| 08:43.14 | anno^da_ | I'm always getting "No videos found" grr |
| 08:44.05 | Leeds | that is correct |
| 08:44.14 | Leeds | DJTachyon: ping? |
| 08:47.48 | Leeds | anno^da_: try... video: no more than 320x480, h264, 24ish fps, bitrate under 1mbit or so... audio, aac, 128k... in an mp4 container |
| 08:48.27 | anno^da_ | Hmm well I have tried that. Settings are lower than you mentioned at the moment |
| 08:48.50 | anno^da_ | The video player just doesn't recognizes the files |
| 08:48.56 | Leeds | it probably shouldn't make any difference, but my video file is in /Video |
| 08:49.05 | anno^da_ | yeah mine as well |
| 08:49.19 | Leeds | well, it works for me |
| 08:49.20 | anno^da_ | are they available right after dropping them to the sdcard ? |
| 08:49.27 | Leeds | you did unmount it, right? |
| 08:49.32 | anno^da_ | yeah I did |
| 08:49.37 | Leeds | pull the USB cable? |
| 08:49.48 | anno^da_ | as well :) |
| 08:50.05 | Leeds | sacrifice a goat? |
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| 08:50.27 | anno^da_ | :) |
| 08:50.54 | Leeds | using the video player called "video player"? |
| 08:51.00 | Leeds | calling the file something.mp4? |
| 08:51.04 | anno^da_ | yeah |
| 08:51.23 | anno^da_ | Video Player by Jeff Hamilton :P |
| 08:51.28 | Leeds | yup |
| 08:51.54 | Leeds | don't really know what to tell you then |
| 08:52.05 | anno^da_ | is there a file manager available ? |
| 08:52.33 | Leeds | a couple, yeah |
| 08:52.35 | anno^da_ | I haven't found one while quickly steppin through the market |
| 08:52.35 | Leeds | try bender |
| 08:52.39 | anno^da_ | ah k |
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| 08:54.31 | anno^da_ | hmm are you able to play the video files directly from bender ? |
| 08:54.44 | Leeds | never tried... hang on |
| 08:55.09 | Leeds | nope |
| 08:55.14 | anno^da_ | ok |
| 08:55.25 | anno^da_ | Let me reinstall the video player once again |
| 08:57.06 | anno^da_ | ok after reinstalling |
| 08:57.13 | anno^da_ | it finds the videos |
| 08:57.14 | anno^da_ | :) |
| 08:57.31 | anno^da_ | Oh I love applications with no menue. :> |
| 08:57.41 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 08:57.55 | DarkriftX | i hate all of the video players :S |
| 08:59.12 | Leeds | I'm falling asleep at my desk |
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| 09:03.36 | anno^da_ | DarkriftX: Thats right. |
| 09:04.30 | anno^da_ | I'd like to see VLC or some other more usable player. (but I dont think we will get that with the Java App Framework at the moment. (as well as we wont get Firefox mobile) |
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| 09:08.42 | anno^da_ | Oh nice lagging video with 384 kbps |
| 09:08.48 | anno^da_ | what a mess :P |
| 09:17.16 | DarkriftX | wow |
| 09:17.20 | DarkriftX | this battery seems to last forever |
| 09:17.26 | DarkriftX | the meter is very unreliable |
| 09:17.58 | DarkriftX | 99-29% was faster than 29-24% |
| 09:18.16 | DarkriftX | and i have wifi, gps and bt on :S |
| 09:18.30 | DarkriftX | i didnt have much on before |
| 09:19.44 | anno^da_ | Who long does the battery last for you without doing much? |
| 09:19.52 | anno^da_ | oops How long.. |
| 09:20.07 | tauno | I'm getting like <24h with no gps, no wifi and not that much usage (no video and no web browsing, only DL'ing some apps from market and checking them out for a few minutes each) |
| 09:20.48 | tauno | doing a full charge cycle currently and monitoring exactly how long it lasts |
| 09:20.53 | anno^da_ | Ok well I have to use it like a normal mobile the next days. And compare this kind of usage to my old phones. |
| 09:22.43 | anno^da_ | grrrr is someone using handbrake here to encode the videos? |
| 09:22.58 | snadge | im ircing from my g1, in bed :P |
| 09:23.02 | tauno | conversations with coworkers are always like: "wow.. this is the new thing they call the G1? yes? how long does the battery last? <24h? WTF dude.. don't be kidding!" |
| 09:23.59 | snadge | i have a car charger, and an external battery thing that apparently holds 3 full charges |
| 09:24.03 | anno^da_ | snadge: how is the name of the irc app? :) |
| 09:24.27 | snadge | im using connectbot (ssh) |
| 09:24.33 | anno^da_ | tauno: well you wont have more with the iPhone |
| 09:24.55 | tauno | not much iPhone users here so people find it really strange that the phone can't handle at least a (work)week without charging.. everybody uses Nokias smartphones so they are used to long lasting batteries :/ |
| 09:25.06 | anno^da_ | So for the things the phone does the battery life is ok. |
| 09:25.20 | anno^da_ | Well but the Nokias dont do the same things. |
| 09:25.29 | anno^da_ | So the comparison is not really fair. |
| 09:26.20 | snadge | if i use the camera, that seems to dsr |
| 09:26.39 | snadge | drain it good |
| 09:27.02 | tauno | anno^da_, well.. it does not have touchscreen but everything else it can do just fine or better :) (web browsing, youtube, mail, video, mp3 playback, fm radio, etc etc) |
| 09:27.22 | tauno | nokia I mean |
| 09:27.35 | snadge | hard to use this tiny little keyboard and laggy ssh session |
| 09:27.39 | tauno | ..and the screen is way smaller :( |
| 09:28.26 | snadge | but hey.. im in bed and ircing from my phone. novelty++ |
| 09:29.22 | anno^da_ | tauno: well the screen costs a lot of battery |
| 09:30.45 | tauno | (snadge, SSH on a mobile is nothing new (there's a j2me ssh app available for like ages)) |
| 09:30.50 | tauno | anno^da_, indeed |
| 09:31.22 | Leeds | DarkriftX: I did a very easy battery test... unplugged my phone at 10am yesterday, didn't plug it back in... |
| 09:32.08 | snadge | that explains why screen fades down quickly, and turns off |
| 09:32.19 | Leeds | after a normal day (one call, some SMS, some IM, about an hour of audio playing, some games, some browsing...) it was at 10% 24 hours later |
| 09:32.37 | tauno | anno^da_, it's just that the G1 has less features than some Nokias but the battery lasts ~5x less.. is it really the display that takes all the juice or is there something else that can be tweaked (like in the core OS) to get it to last a little longer? |
| 09:32.50 | Leeds | there is tweaking going on |
| 09:32.54 | Leeds | what features are you missing? |
| 09:33.29 | snadge | Perhaps nokia has bigger battery |
| 09:34.08 | DarkriftX | im not trying to test it, i wanted to drain it and recharge it |
| 09:34.57 | Mony | <snadge> but hey.. im in bed and ircing from my phone. novelty++ |
| 09:35.01 | snadge | i also heard that nokia has bad bat life, if u use internet, gps etc |
| 09:35.12 | Leeds | DarkriftX: trying to do a discharge/charge cycle? |
| 09:35.18 | Mony | snadge, i did't know there is irc client for android |
| 09:35.29 | Mony | could you give me a hint? :) |
| 09:35.42 | snadge | im using irc via ssh |
| 09:36.13 | Mony | irssi or bitchx? :D |
| 09:36.19 | sparkle | screen :D |
| 09:36.19 | tauno | Leeds, I'm personally not missing anything (since I use my personal phone for only calling and a few SMS per month) but if you just compare the G1 to some Nokias feature-by-feature, the G1 lacks aGPS, FM radio, video recording, (camera) flash, "apps on SD card" etc.. |
| 09:36.52 | sparkle | also actual productivity apps - being able to work with word/excel/ppt docs, acrobat viewer, flash |
| 09:37.00 | Leeds3dot0 | video recording will come... apps on SD will come... other apps will come |
| 09:37.03 | sparkle | a full featured bluetooth implementation |
| 09:37.08 | Leeds3dot0 | FM radio is pointless |
| 09:37.09 | tauno | snadge, yes, Nokia has a "bad" battery life if you use wifi and gps and stuff.. but it then still beats my G1 when NOT using these features on my G1 :( |
| 09:37.15 | Leeds3dot0 | the bluetooth is being worked on |
| 09:37.22 | sparkle | sure |
| 09:37.27 | tauno | Leeds3dot0, FM radio is pointless to YOU :) |
| 09:37.38 | Leeds3dot0 | what is fair to say is that android/G1 is not really ready for mass market yet |
| 09:37.48 | sparkle | shrugs |
| 09:37.57 | Leeds3dot0 | tauno: it's very almost 2009... internet radio won |
| 09:37.59 | sparkle | think of it as positioned not against high end WM phones and the iphone |
| 09:38.04 | sparkle | but low end handsets |
| 09:38.08 | sparkle | mass market |
| 09:38.17 | Leeds3dot0 | but it's a smartphone |
| 09:38.46 | sparkle | the line is getting blurred though |
| 09:38.49 | tauno | Leeds3dot0, I know that it's been worked on.. I'm just saying that RIGHT NOW a phone that has less features and costs more, has a 5x smaller battery.. I don't blame android,, it's just the G1 hardware (or is the OS really wasting battery?) |
| 09:39.02 | sparkle | and by a lot of definitions it's not much of a smartphone, more of an "internetphone" |
| 09:39.16 | Leeds3dot0 | the OS is a lot less efficient than it could be |
| 09:39.29 | Leeds3dot0 | hmm... wonder if anyone knows - is the kernel tickless? |
| 09:39.35 | sparkle | yes |
| 09:39.46 | Leeds3dot0 | yes it's tickless? |
| 09:40.00 | tauno | yes, "anyone knows" (; |
| 09:40.48 | Leeds3dot0 | anyway, there are things being worked on right now which should significantly improve battery life |
| 09:40.49 | sparkle | CONFIG_NO_HZ=y |
| 09:40.54 | sparkle | yes, it is tickless |
| 09:41.13 | sparkle | and while it doesn't have the native linux speed scaling turned on in the .25 release, there is a crude sliding scale |
| 09:41.17 | sparkle | depending on display sleep state, etc |
| 09:41.20 | Leeds3dot0 | but the big drains are things like the screen and radios, and there isn't that much you can do about them |
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| 09:44.00 | Leeds3dot0 | sparkle: I'd be interested in your definition of a smartphone then |
| 09:44.42 | DarkriftX | yes leeds |
| 09:44.51 | DarkriftX | wow, the chat is jumping in here tonight |
| 09:45.28 | DarkriftX | i was hoping it wouldnt take all night |
| 09:45.43 | DarkriftX | all radios on, brightness at max and playing games and its barely going down |
| 09:45.55 | DarkriftX | i guess thats good |
| 09:45.58 | Leeds3dot0 | play some mp3s in the background |
| 09:46.04 | anno^da_ | Leeds3dot0: What does significantly mean in hours? :-) |
| 09:46.35 | sparkle | an open platform with a wide range of productivity and business applications - basically a mini laptop |
| 09:46.45 | Leeds3dot0 | anno^da_: +25% should be relatively easy, +50% should be doable, I'd say |
| 09:47.01 | sparkle | something that's useful standalone as well as on the net |
| 09:47.11 | anno^da_ | That would be nice. It would be ok for me to get 2-3 days when doing nothing with the phone. |
| 09:47.43 | anno^da_ | (switched of gps,bt,wlan) Just radio for incoming calls and sms |
| 09:47.59 | Leeds3dot0 | sparkle: whereas I'd say a phone on which the OS is exposed to third-party applications - a general-purpose portable computing device in the form of a phone |
| 09:48.01 | anno^da_ | (I know that this is NOT the normal usage scenario) |
| 09:48.16 | Leeds3dot0 | the range of applications is irrelevent to whether the device itself is a smartphone |
| 09:48.46 | sparkle | nods |
| 09:48.53 | sparkle | symbian and WM clearly qualify |
| 09:49.04 | sparkle | the g1 is exposed in a rather limited fashion |
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| 09:50.17 | Leeds | true... it's a bit of a hybrid - certainly a lot smarter than a device with a j2me sandbox... I'd say it's smart, on the basis that *all* the apps run on dalvik - the dialer, home, browser, etc. |
| 09:50.28 | sparkle | except that they don't |
| 09:50.35 | Leeds | don't they? |
| 09:50.46 | sparkle | important apps like the browser use JNI-like hooks to pull in native code |
| 09:51.04 | sparkle | which is something you can't do as an average app developer |
| 09:51.10 | Leeds | hmm... |
| 09:51.30 | Leeds | but you *can* use webkit from your app |
| 09:51.55 | Leeds | and given that the browser is open source, there should - in theory - be nothing stopping you from using the same interfaces? |
| 09:52.56 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 09:53.12 | DarkriftX | has anyone noticed that the "maps" about info calls it "Google Mobile (iPhone version)" |
| 09:53.38 | DarkriftX | or maybe its just a generic about |
| 09:53.47 | DarkriftX | because i see blackberry mentioned also |
| 10:10.27 | anno^da_ | Does someone know anything about video encoding. And can tell me what I'm doing wrong when I get a big green block for the video content while playback? |
| 10:10.36 | anno^da_ | (audio is playing fine) |
| 10:10.51 | anno^da_ | And VLCs plays the video fine as well. (no green blocks :) ) |
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| 10:42.17 | waldo_ | what isn't playing it? if vlc does, what's the problem? |
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| 10:48.37 | anno^da_ | Well VLC does but VideoPlayer (app on the G1) does not. :) |
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| 11:01.26 | joeyjones | any ideas for how to get my pc to registed my android phone when i lug it into the usb port? |
| 11:01.44 | joeyjones | it charges but i cannot see it in ddms |
| 11:01.51 | joeyjones | *plug |
| 11:02.39 | waldo_ | depeding on the firmware you may need to tell it to mount from the notification bar at the top of your g1 |
| 11:02.57 | joeyjones | i'm running android on my htv vogue |
| 11:03.24 | joeyjones | and i see nothing on the notification bar |
| 11:04.30 | waldo_ | you want to mount it ya? |
| 11:04.35 | waldo_ | should appear on the desktop |
| 11:04.40 | waldo_ | if you're using windows you need to install drivers I think |
| 11:04.51 | joeyjones | all i want to do is take a screenshot using the sdk |
| 11:05.28 | waldo_ | you may still need to install the drivers |
| 11:06.07 | joeyjones | it doesn;t bring up the "found new hardware" dialog |
| 11:06.22 | waldo_ | well try installing it anyway |
| 11:06.27 | waldo_ | read the sdk installation instructions |
| 11:07.25 | joeyjones | sdk is installed, but windows doesn;t seem to register the device |
| 11:07.36 | waldo_ | again, is the driver installed? |
| 11:08.07 | joeyjones | reading http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware it says that the devoce should ask for the drivers to use |
| 11:08.41 | waldo_ | you are using windows? |
| 11:08.43 | waldo_ | If you're developing on Windows (32-bit only), you need to install the USB driver for adb: |
| 11:09.01 | waldo_ | just install it yourself I guess |
| 11:09.04 | waldo_ | I don't really know for windwos |
| 11:14.32 | anno^da_ | http://www.android.com/branding.html <- Is the high res android available? |
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| 11:30.12 | anno^da_ | Other Media |
| 11:30.12 | anno^da_ | If you produce non-hypertext works, such as books, audio, or video, we ask that you make a best effort to include a spoken or written attribution in the spirit of the messages above. <- What could that mean for a T-Shirt. Would be www.android.com enough (perhaps CC information added) |
| 11:33.19 | pandzilla | anyone ordered a Kogan yet? |
| 11:33.53 | pandzilla | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/03/kogan-intros-worlds-second-android-phone-agora-agora-pro/ |
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| 11:43.02 | Phlogi | when I get a "sim card locked" on my phone, this means I need to unlock it right? |
| 11:44.15 | eugene | pandzilla: thought about it but wasn't sure if it is good |
| 11:47.23 | anno^da_ | Phlogi: right just type in the SIM card password |
| 11:47.42 | Phlogi | anno^da_: hmm there is no field to type in anything |
| 11:47.53 | Phlogi | it just says: sim card locked and that emergency staff |
| 11:48.18 | Phlogi | I mean I read that I need to unlock the phone...but now I'm confused |
| 11:48.37 | anno^da_ | press the menue button ;) |
| 11:49.17 | Phlogi | damn of course :D |
| 11:50.28 | Phlogi | ah and now SIM network unlock PIN |
| 11:50.44 | Phlogi | thats the one I need to get for money from a website or so right? |
| 11:50.48 | anno^da_ | the password of your RIM |
| 11:50.50 | anno^da_ | SIM |
| 11:50.52 | anno^da_ | nope |
| 11:51.00 | anno^da_ | ahh |
| 11:51.23 | anno^da_ | How does it look right now? Wait a sec |
| 11:51.27 | joeyjones | pandzilla: i think it;s good that they made one, but they probabyl won't sell many, and i plan to stick to htc and othe rmain manufacturers |
| 11:51.39 | anno^da_ | http://modmygphone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=3201 |
| 11:51.45 | pandzilla | thinking it might be worth a shot |
| 11:51.47 | anno^da_ | thats how it looks right |
| 11:51.52 | anno^da_ | Step 3 |
| 11:51.58 | pandzilla | it's like 175 euros incl. shipping |
| 11:52.44 | joeyjones | pandzilla: if they could get on with a carrier they would make a killing |
| 11:53.34 | Phlogi | anno^da_: thanks, there is no cheaper service? :) |
| 11:54.33 | anno^da_ | well except the 20$ one |
| 11:54.53 | anno^da_ | http://www.unlock-tmobileg1.com/EN/unsimlock-G1.php |
| 11:54.57 | anno^da_ | thats the only one I know |
| 11:55.01 | anno^da_ | they are very fast |
| 11:55.12 | anno^da_ | 3h from payment to the code (in my case) |
| 11:55.25 | joeyjones | pandzilla: i'm hoping that the htc touch hd will get android |
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| 11:57.27 | joeyjones | i've seen rumors of it, and i already enjoy android on my htc vogue |
| 11:57.28 | VJTachyon | hey guys |
| 11:57.44 | VJTachyon | on the plane to san fran |
| 11:58.42 | joeyjones | VJTachyon: what ever happened to airplane mode? |
| 11:58.43 | joeyjones | :p |
| 11:58.52 | tauno | its for wussies.. |
| 11:59.04 | Phlogi | thanks |
| 11:59.16 | VJTachyon | well airplane mode in a moment |
| 11:59.27 | VJTachyon | havent left the ground yet |
| 11:59.50 | VJTachyon | alright well later guys! |
| 11:59.51 | pandzilla | joeyjones: yeah, Android on the touch would be neat |
| 12:00.14 | joeyjones | pandzilla: it works decently well on the htc touch vogue |
| 12:00.35 | joeyjones | i'm actually planning on basign an english assignment off of it :p |
| 12:00.58 | joeyjones | user/procedure manual: installing and using google android on the htc vogue |
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| 12:03.14 | joeyjones | *basing |
| 12:03.33 | blau | start the activity in another thread? |
| 12:03.44 | blau | lol doh that was to something from yesterday |
| 12:07.44 | joeyjones | damn, OO.o jsut crashed on me. |
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| 12:18.37 | blau | tryin to write to the sms databse |
| 12:21.14 | blau | sweet |
| 12:21.18 | blau | i can make fake messages |
| 12:21.40 | blau | now to back date text messages from paris hiltons phone number |
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| 12:26.37 | mib_cu0z9n | wht is binder ipc ? how it works ? |
| 12:28.46 | blau | anyone know where i can find a list of celeb phone numbers |
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| 12:37.41 | blau | idiots, tested my app by forwarding messages to themself |
| 12:38.22 | blau | now i have to waste time checking that you arent the person sending to yourself |
| 12:49.04 | blau | stupid 1 star review |
| 12:49.41 | tauno | blau, sure, the users are idiots when your app has a bug :P |
| 12:50.55 | tauno | I'd say that this is a nice testcase and would be grateful that somebody actually tested this strange use case that highlighted a bug/missing feature in your app :) |
| 12:51.53 | blau | its not a bug |
| 12:52.04 | blau | its a feature |
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| 12:53.07 | blau | it works exactly as specified |
| 12:53.19 | tauno | then the spec is missing something :) |
| 12:53.32 | blau | what happens if you forward a grandcentral call back to grandcentral? |
| 12:54.02 | tauno | anyway.. don't call your users idiots :) |
| 12:54.22 | tauno | ..not in public at least :P |
| 12:54.36 | blau | "why does it keep sending me freaking messages.. I tried it by writing to myself and now it doesnt keep sending me messages" |
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| 12:56.58 | tauno | oh.. |
| 12:57.15 | blau | lol |
| 12:57.56 | blau | and if something seems to broken in such an interesting and highly praised app, wouldnt you try to send an email to the developer to see whats wrong |
| 12:58.14 | blau | s/to/so/ |
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| 12:59.55 | blau | all i care about is that i can now fake text messages from people |
| 13:01.11 | blau | :) |
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| 13:21.22 | Dougie187 | anyone going to order one of those Agora phones? |
| 13:21.54 | joeyjones | if my phone died tomorrow i would |
| 13:22.19 | joeyjones | mainly because the phone i actually want doesn't run android yet and is ~900 bucks |
| 13:22.26 | joeyjones | 250 < 900 |
| 13:22.27 | blau | mmmmm |
| 13:22.47 | Dougie187 | have you heard what freq's they use? |
| 13:22.52 | Dougie187 | and thus what carriers? |
| 13:23.10 | blau | agora looks awesome |
| 13:23.19 | blau | doubt i can use it with tmobile here tho |
| 13:23.21 | blau | :( |
| 13:23.41 | blau | sweet, its cameraless too |
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| 13:24.08 | Dougie187 | is the pro camera less too? |
| 13:24.16 | blau | the pro has camera |
| 13:24.23 | blau | The Agora is a 3G mobile with a touchscreen, QWERTY keyboard, and microSD card slot. A "Pro" model with Wi-Fi, a 2 megapixel camera and GPS costs an extra $100. |
| 13:24.23 | joeyjones | yeah |
| 13:24.34 | joeyjones | oh, i guess i couldn;t use it. |
| 13:24.44 | joeyjones | my carrier is CDMA |
| 13:24.50 | Dougie187 | i thought it was only like 60 bucks more. |
| 13:24.59 | Dougie187 | like 170 - 250 |
| 13:25.00 | Dougie187 | something like that |
| 13:25.07 | Dougie187 | i guess thats 80 |
| 13:25.08 | Dougie187 | but still |
| 13:25.32 | blau | i just googled agora |
| 13:25.33 | Dougie187 | its good to see more phones coming out though |
| 13:25.46 | blau | http://www.news.com.au/technology/story/0,28348,24749345-5014239,00.html |
| 13:26.13 | joeyjones | Dougie187: i'm holding out for a carrier-supported phone from a major manufacturer |
| 13:26.17 | blau | 299 and 399 |
| 13:26.28 | Dougie187 | im watching this video of some guy taking a sharp pocket knife to his bb storm |
| 13:26.36 | Dougie187 | blau: thats AU$ |
| 13:26.55 | joeyjones | Dougie187: bb storm? |
| 13:26.58 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 13:27.07 | blau | ahh duh |
| 13:27.08 | blau | lol |
| 13:27.09 | joeyjones | i don't know what that means... |
| 13:27.14 | blau | blackberry storm |
| 13:27.20 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/04/blackberry-storm-display-vs-knife-blade-fight/ |
| 13:27.20 | joeyjones | aahh |
| 13:27.34 | joeyjones | blackberry makes me lol |
| 13:27.45 | Dougie187 | that screen can take some damage. |
| 13:27.53 | blau | wish i could get the kogan with gps but w/o camer |
| 13:28.05 | blau | although i rarely use gps now, its always off |
| 13:28.09 | joeyjones | blau: why no camera? |
| 13:28.22 | Dougie187 | blau: in US its $192 - $256 |
| 13:28.25 | blau | work related stuff |
| 13:28.38 | Dougie187 | you work in a lab? |
| 13:28.41 | blau | i cant take any recording devices when i visit contractors |
| 13:28.59 | joeyjones | blau: you could always remove the camera |
| 13:28.59 | blau | it sucks |
| 13:29.09 | joeyjones | but technically any smart phone can record audio |
| 13:29.13 | Dougie187 | yeah i know what you mean blau |
| 13:29.51 | blau | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:29.54 | blau | but i dont see a search button |
| 13:30.05 | joeyjones | search button? |
| 13:30.23 | blau | like on the g1, next to the ampsersand by the space bar |
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| 13:38.08 | blau | the phone is awesome |
| 13:38.12 | blau | its in the form factor i want too |
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| 13:46.40 | joeyjones | i don;t see much need for a search button |
| 13:46.41 | joeyjones | :p |
| 13:46.54 | joeyjones | blau: i haven't looked at the g1 that much |
| 13:47.20 | blau | you can use it for shortcuts |
| 13:47.30 | blau | you hold search and press a button |
| 13:47.35 | blau | and its a shortcut |
| 13:47.41 | joeyjones | persoanlyl i;d prefer a pull-out T9 keyboard with a larger touch screen |
| 13:48.38 | joeyjones | i've gotten really used to using a touch kb and with fat fingers could never use a qwerty |
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| 13:56.11 | Death_Syn | i wish i could have an android phone in a palm form factor |
| 13:56.14 | Death_Syn | that'd be the win |
| 13:56.28 | blau | the agora is close |
| 13:56.43 | blau | grr so close to be able to save mms's |
| 13:56.44 | kslater | Death_Syn: as in a Palm PDA? Like the T|X? |
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| 14:02.36 | Death_Syn | kslater: yes, like the palmpda |
| 14:03.00 | Death_Syn | i was thinking more treo formed, though |
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| 14:05.12 | kslater | never used a treo |
| 14:05.20 | kslater | still use a Palm T|X though |
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| 14:05.41 | kslater | Eventually, I'll have everything I need on the G1 and will retire the T|X |
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| 14:06.27 | joeyjones | T|X? |
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| 14:18.18 | marix | hail all! |
| 14:20.51 | blau | hail |
| 14:20.54 | snappy | hi. |
| 14:20.59 | blau | mary |
| 14:21.17 | blau | dgAway is the best app ive ever used |
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| 14:28.46 | joeyjones | dgAway? |
| 14:28.59 | blau | yes |
| 14:29.06 | joeyjones | what's that? |
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| 14:29.31 | blau | it lets you auto respond to texts and phone calls, or shoot a quick response to missed/declined phone calls |
| 14:29.58 | kslater | joeyjones: Palm T|X -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TX_(handheld) |
| 14:30.12 | joeyjones | aahh, a palm handset. |
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| 14:31.24 | joeyjones | blau: android app? |
| 14:32.14 | blau | yes |
| 14:33.35 | joeyjones | now i want to try to track it down |
| 14:33.49 | joeyjones | if only the app store was available on my vogue |
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| 14:36.00 | Disconnect | saurik: is your boot img a drop-in replacement for jf's? and can you elaborate (a link is fine :) ..) on the "bluetooth enhancements"? |
| 14:36.15 | Milad | is possible in android to implement accessing to linux terminal ? |
| 14:36.37 | Disconnect | Milad: its already done. install "terminal" from marketplace |
| 14:36.39 | marix | milad, their are a few terminal emulators out |
| 14:37.35 | saurik | Disconnect: I don't know, jf's stuff is mostly based on my init |
| 14:37.44 | saurik | AFAIK his stuff is == my stuff on that front |
| 14:37.47 | Milad | Disconnect, I don't buy G1 yet can you tell me the site of creator of it ? |
| 14:38.03 | saurik | oh, but I don't know if he went with the same naming in his init.rc, though |
| 14:38.04 | Disconnect | Milad: it comes as part of the source code (term.apk is built when you build android) |
| 14:38.20 | saurik | that's something we might not be sharing |
| 14:38.39 | saurik | as for the bluetooth stuff, I just mean the new rfkill commit from Google that you've already seen people playing with |
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| 14:40.14 | marix | looks like new version of tweak tools is out |
| 14:41.30 | eldenz | it's a different app (if you refer to the Lite version) |
| 14:41.50 | marix | yea, you are correct... |
| 14:42.16 | marix | transitions are nice |
| 14:42.34 | eldenz | yep, love it on 1x :) |
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| 14:45.04 | marix | 10x makes me hate the feature :( |
| 14:45.29 | marix | also isn't it backwards |
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| 14:45.37 | marix | wouldn't 10x mean 10x faster |
| 14:46.36 | blau | oh it is pretty cool |
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| 14:53.52 | Dougie187 | good morning michaelnovakjr |
| 14:54.03 | michaelnovakjr | good morning |
| 14:54.17 | Dougie187 | hows it going? |
| 14:54.21 | Dougie187 | you have a good thanksgiving? |
| 14:54.27 | michaelnovakjr | indeed, how about you? |
| 14:54.37 | Dougie187 | yeah it was really good |
| 14:54.46 | Dougie187 | my family came and we cooked them thanksgiving dinner |
| 14:54.54 | Dougie187 | first time cooking thanksgiving and we fed 9 people. |
| 14:55.04 | michaelnovakjr | nice! |
| 14:55.08 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 14:55.11 | Dougie187 | it was pretty sweet |
| 14:55.55 | Dougie187 | what did you guys do? |
| 14:56.07 | michaelnovakjr | went to my aunt's house for dinner |
| 14:56.14 | michaelnovakjr | it was about 20 of us |
| 14:56.17 | Dougie187 | nice. |
| 14:56.21 | Dougie187 | sounds like fun |
| 14:56.32 | michaelnovakjr | yea, it was nice |
| 14:57.33 | Dougie187 | you play any new games lately? |
| 14:57.38 | michaelnovakjr | mirror's edge |
| 14:57.50 | Dougie187 | you get it? |
| 14:57.57 | Dougie187 | i've only played the demo |
| 14:58.06 | michaelnovakjr | its a sweet game |
| 14:58.11 | Dougie187 | thats awesome |
| 14:58.13 | Dougie187 | the demo was really fun |
| 14:58.17 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 14:58.22 | Dougie187 | but it gets old after a while, as it is just a demo |
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| 14:58.27 | Dougie187 | Jasta said Left 4 dead is awesome |
| 14:58.28 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 14:58.35 | michaelnovakjr | my brother just got that game |
| 14:58.37 | blau | it is |
| 14:58.42 | blau | i love it |
| 14:58.52 | Dougie187 | i think it would be really fun |
| 15:00.02 | Dougie187 | it has a cool versus mode too |
| 15:00.13 | michaelnovakjr | i tried the new call of duty over the weekend as well |
| 15:00.55 | Dougie187 | Its pretty good. |
| 15:00.57 | Disconnect | does it run on android? |
| 15:00.58 | Dougie187 | i don't think its amazing though |
| 15:01.15 | michaelnovakjr | i still prefer cod4, but it was cool |
| 15:01.19 | Dougie187 | but i have to admit, the flame thrower is really fun to play with |
| 15:01.27 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 15:01.44 | Dougie187 | but its not a terrific game though |
| 15:02.09 | Dougie187 | my little brother just gave me mass effect too |
| 15:02.17 | Dougie187 | so now i have to beat that, fable 2, and gta4. |
| 15:02.32 | Dougie187 | and my older brother loaned me the force unleased. |
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| 15:02.50 | michaelnovakjr | sweet |
| 15:02.56 | michaelnovakjr | just finished the force unleashed |
| 15:03.13 | Dougie187 | its pretty fun on the wii |
| 15:03.34 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i have it for the ps3 |
| 15:03.55 | Dougie187 | thats cool |
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| 15:05.33 | michaelnovakjr | last night i finally got around to ordering headphones and the sdcard for my g1 |
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| 15:06.38 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 15:06.49 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i went with the 16GB card |
| 15:06.57 | Dougie187 | who knows what the possible mime types android supports are? |
| 15:07.22 | michaelnovakjr | i think it depends on the application |
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| 15:07.40 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:08.14 | blau | grr cant figure out how to get to mms |
| 15:08.23 | blau | the content provider data makes no sense to me |
| 15:08.53 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: you load your card up with music yet? |
| 15:08.56 | blau | "_id","thread_id","date","msg_box","read","m_id","sub","sub_cs","ct_t","ct_l","exp","m_cls","m_type","v","m_size","pri","rr","rpt_a","resp_st","st","tr_id","retr_st","retr_txt","retr_txt_cs","read_status","ct_cls","resp_txt","d_tm","d_rpt" |
| 15:08.57 | blau | "2","16","1226691552","1","1","3528325@0-mms.mmsig.com","<FW>FWD:FWD:<FW>FW: Fw:<FW>FW: FW: ?*?: Fwd: <FW>FWD:FWD","106","application/vnd.wap.multipart.related","null","null","personal","132","19","null","129","129","null","null","null","2tid17327687757_1x5iez","null","null","null","null","null","null","null","128" |
| 15:08.57 | blau | "4","26","1228161235","1","1","fo7jhwarg940109@w.tmomail.net","null","null","application/vnd.wap.multipart.related","null","null","personal","132","19","null","129","129","null","null","null","1tid17327687757_0kw3-020202","null","null","null","null","null","null","null","129" |
| 15:08.57 | Dougie187 | or are you using five for that now? |
| 15:08.59 | blau | oops |
| 15:09.03 | Dougie187 | yikes. |
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| 15:09.29 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187: it hasn't arrived yet, but I do have my current sdcard loaded up with music |
| 15:09.35 | michaelnovakjr | even though its very little :) |
| 15:09.38 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 15:10.03 | michaelnovakjr | i ordered the stuff through amazon |
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| 15:10.24 | michaelnovakjr | if amazon had a physical store i probably would live there |
| 15:10.39 | androidsunrise | I used to work well for "geo fix -80.1111 26.2222 4392" in "telnet localhost 5554" to connect emulator app. Now I didn't get any response in logcat in linux side. My code and "geo fix ...." works well in my windows XP side. I think "geo fix" server is dead right now. How to fix this problem or clean up all the android stuff? I already removed android SDK and unzipped android SDK and changed the android place two time but the |
| 15:11.03 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: i have a friend who loves amazon's mp3 download thing. |
| 15:11.09 | michaelnovakjr | yea, me too |
| 15:11.10 | Dougie187 | drm free and cheap, right? |
| 15:11.13 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
| 15:11.16 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 15:11.26 | michaelnovakjr | screw iTunes.... i get all my music through amazon mp3 |
| 15:11.32 | michaelnovakjr | and the android app for it is nice |
| 15:11.59 | eldenz | michaelnovakjr, did you order the 3.5mm adapter for your own headphones? |
| 15:12.13 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 15:12.27 | eldenz | nice, where did you order it? |
| 15:12.34 | michaelnovakjr | amazon :) |
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| 15:13.02 | eldenz | android Music app is "okay". what i don't like is 1) no browsing by genre and 2) albumart is displayed too tiny while browsing |
| 15:13.28 | Leeds | interesting, by the way, that amazon.com mp3 store is blocked for me because I'm outside the US... but the Android Amazon store app works perfectly |
| 15:13.36 | eldenz | and the fact it only recognizes *embedded* albumart, of course. folder.jpg doesn't work :f |
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| 15:14.45 | vol | androidsunrise: adb kill-server; sleep 1; adb start-server |
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| 15:15.07 | vol | which emulator and which adb to determine where things are |
| 15:16.40 | michaelnovakjr | eldenz: the music app is ok, i don't really look at the UI when listening to music so it doesn't bother me too much that the layout is slightly lame |
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| 15:20.34 | vol | androoid: interesting. The instructions at http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/apis/lbs.html say to use the geo command, but there is no geo binary in the /tools directory. I guess they wanted you to telnet to the device first? |
| 15:20.52 | vol | in any event, have you considered going through ddms? |
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| 15:21.20 | blau | new ver of dgAway yay |
| 15:22.04 | blau | hey how does this sound for phone number comparison |
| 15:22.13 | blau | convert it to a number? |
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| 15:22.32 | blau | ugh dgAway installs went down significantly |
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| 15:22.33 | blau | wtf |
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| 15:22.42 | blau | it was at like 80% for days |
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| 15:23.29 | Disconnect | blau: strip anything other than 0-9#* and compare (since pause/comma can be considered a noop) or if you're doing caller-id comparisons strip anything other than 0-9 and trim length to match the shorter entry.. |
| 15:24.23 | blau | basically caller id, i guess |
| 15:26.00 | blau | dgAways popularity is waning |
| 15:26.08 | Disconnect | so compare numbers only, at hte length of the shorter one. (so if i have you as 210-123-1234 x 5555 and cid says 210-123-1234 it should match "2101231234" against "2101231234") |
| 15:26.43 | blau | thanks disc |
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| 15:30.35 | blau | 0% conversion |
| 15:30.36 | blau | sighhh |
| 15:30.44 | vol | thanks to you |
| 15:30.48 | vol | you'll notice people were talking |
| 15:30.51 | vol | and then you talked |
| 15:30.57 | vol | and then no one was talking |
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| 15:33.39 | Disconnect | actually i think its quieter cuz dougie and michael found IM :) |
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| 15:33.50 | Dougie187 | Thanks Disconnect |
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| 15:36.00 | michaelnovakjr | yea what an invention |
| 15:36.08 | michaelnovakjr | i can't believe what i have been missing |
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| 15:41.32 | marix | Are their any other transitions planned? |
| 15:41.40 | blau | for what |
| 15:41.48 | marix | screen transitions |
| 15:41.53 | marix | other than the slide one |
| 15:42.02 | marix | perhaps a cool fade in or something |
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| 15:42.33 | marix | or the strait from the 80s pixel by pixel morph |
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| 15:44.37 | blau | is droid sans crap undocumented? |
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| 15:44.38 | marix | i believe so |
| 15:44.38 | marix | i think thats why people were so shocked to see it working so well |
| 15:45.13 | blau | so if theres an update, it could conceivably force all the phones ot be stuck the way they r with no way to fix it |
| 15:45.48 | gfindster_dev | any good apps available for trying out? |
| 15:45.48 | vol | sans crap? |
| 15:46.02 | vol | gfindster_dev: check the marketplace, there's a bazillion |
| 15:46.27 | vol | I do love the bubble level app, just to show off to people that my phone DOUBLES AS A BUBBLE LEVEL |
| 15:46.38 | gfindster_dev | i mean anyone that people recommend, since there are many |
| 15:46.42 | vol | it's the simple things ^_^ |
| 15:46.49 | vol | Uh, I use budget droid quite a bit |
| 15:46.57 | anno^da_ | Is it normal that the Home Activity is often going down after the end of a call |
| 15:47.09 | vol | probably not? |
| 15:47.21 | anno^da_ | (well not normal but a known problem :) ) |
| 15:47.30 | marix | is droidsans.com supposed to be in arabic? |
| 15:47.42 | gfindster_dev | ok thanks |
| 15:49.23 | Leeds | marix: thai, isn't it? |
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| 15:49.49 | Leeds | anno^da_: 'going down'? |
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| 15:50.12 | marix | leeds, i dunno it displays awful wonky in firefox |
| 15:50.42 | Leeds | you can't read Thai? it's certainly not Arabic, anyway |
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| 15:51.14 | blau | dgAway |
| 15:51.20 | marix | i can sure as shit eat it though |
| 15:51.20 | anno^da_ | Leeds: well it was crashing right after the call |
| 15:51.27 | anno^da_ | two times in a row now. |
| 15:51.48 | anno^da_ | I had to Force Close it. |
| 15:51.59 | blau | not normal dude |
| 15:52.07 | Leeds | I find it's often pretty slow to load (and I blame romainguy), but I've never had to force close it |
| 15:52.22 | anno^da_ | :-) |
| 15:52.30 | gfindster_dev | how many developers in here? |
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| 15:52.44 | marix | 14.5 |
| 15:52.49 | Leeds | 247 |
| 15:52.50 | anno^da_ | The only thing that gets slow sometimes is the slide out menue. |
| 15:52.52 | Disconnect | 9 |
| 15:52.58 | anno^da_ | It is a bit laggy. |
| 15:53.07 | Leeds | just one - infobot |
| 15:53.12 | gfindster_dev | too many .... |
| 15:53.17 | marix | infobot, whats up? |
| 15:53.17 | infobot | nothing much mate, you ? |
| 15:53.40 | marix | infobot, tell me a story. |
| 15:53.50 | gfindster_dev | yea buddy |
| 15:53.54 | Leeds | infobot france |
| 15:53.55 | infobot | i heard france is the father of the skiff cluster, or a country in Europe, or spending huge amounts of time on handhelds.org. see also: ~praise france |
| 15:54.07 | gfindster_dev | cool |
| 15:54.08 | Disconnect | 8gb microsd $18 http://www.ecost.com/detail.aspx?edp=41834600 |
| 15:54.10 | marix | infobot g1 |
| 15:54.11 | infobot | methinks g1 is a phone for Java Architects |
| 15:54.24 | gfindster_dev | why do u say that |
| 15:54.28 | Leeds | infobot: Leeds |
| 15:54.29 | infobot | [leeds] a bloke called Richard making bras in Hong Kong, or a bloke called Richard, or a rubbish footie team, or better than Google, or a Solaris freeware and Perl expert, or a regexp expert, or been fired from the bra company, or not my problem, or a very sociable guy, or a sexy alian, or the manual, or a whining butthead |
| 15:55.02 | marix | how do you add entries? |
| 15:55.15 | Leeds | infobot connectbot is a cool ssh client for android |
| 15:55.16 | infobot | okay, Leeds |
| 15:55.28 | Leeds | infobot tell marix about help |
| 15:55.29 | marix | infobot connectbot |
| 15:55.30 | infobot | i heard connectbot is a cool ssh client for android |
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| 15:55.51 | Leeds | infobot connectbot is also available in the Android Market |
| 15:55.51 | infobot | okay, Leeds |
| 15:56.00 | Leeds | infobot: connectbot |
| 15:56.01 | infobot | rumour has it, connectbot is a cool ssh client for android, or available in the Android Market |
| 15:56.09 | Leeds | etc. |
| 15:56.14 | marix | n33t! |
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| 15:57.21 | marix | infobot enkin |
| 15:58.33 | Leeds | infobot: jbq |
| 15:58.52 | jbq | doesn't exist |
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| 15:59.14 | Leeds | infobot jbq doesn't exist |
| 15:59.46 | Leeds | infobot jbq is a figment of someone's deranged imagination |
| 15:59.46 | infobot | okay, Leeds |
| 16:01.59 | marix | infobot leeds is not a sexy alian |
| 16:02.00 | infobot | ...but leeds is already something else... |
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| 16:04.26 | morrildl | infobot infobot doesn't exist |
| 16:04.42 | morrildl | infobot: infobot |
| 16:04.42 | infobot | morrildl, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome. |
| 16:05.01 | morrildl | sighs |
| 16:05.02 | marix | infobot, forget about leeds |
| 16:05.02 | infobot | i didn't have anything called 'about leeds' to forget, marix |
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| 16:05.12 | marix | infobot forget leeds |
| 16:05.13 | infobot | i forgot leeds, marix |
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| 16:05.15 | morrildl | was hoping for a singularity to form |
| 16:05.20 | marix | infobot leeds |
| 16:05.41 | Phlogi | I just connected to my own setup AP (on laptop) with the g1, the connection can be established, but the browser does not find any website |
| 16:05.46 | anno^da_ | infobot android |
| 16:05.47 | infobot | [android] an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/, or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible |
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| 16:09.45 | Phlogi | hmm maybe its a dns issue |
| 16:10.58 | Disconnect | Phlogi: do you have NAT running? |
| 16:11.02 | Phlogi | but strange it always worked with other machines |
| 16:11.15 | Leeds | marix: why did you wipe my record??? |
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| 16:11.31 | Phlogi | Disconnect: hmm you mean with iptables on my laptop? Apart from that my router has NAT jep... |
| 16:11.41 | Leeds | that bot is not just on this channel... that record goes back for many years |
| 16:11.45 | marix | to see if it would work |
| 16:11.56 | Leeds | not cool, dude |
| 16:11.57 | Disconnect | you said the AP is on the laptop |
| 16:12.12 | Phlogi | yes I created it with some commands (linux machine) |
| 16:12.14 | marix | infobot leeds is a bloke called Richard making bras in Hong Kong, or a bloke called Richard, or a rubbish footie team, or better than Google, or a Solaris freeware and Perl expert, or a regexp expert, or been fired from the bra company, or not my problem, or a very sociable guy, or a sexy alian, or the manual, or a whining butthead |
| 16:12.15 | infobot | marix: okay |
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| 16:12.22 | marix | all fixed! |
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| 16:12.29 | Leeds | not quite, but thanks anyway |
| 16:12.45 | marix | infobot forget leeds |
| 16:12.45 | infobot | marix: i forgot leeds |
| 16:12.57 | Phlogi | thats how I create it: http://pastebin.com/d530a742e |
| 16:12.58 | Leeds | infobot: ignore marix |
| 16:12.59 | infobot | ACTION sticks her fingers in her ears. "La, la, la! I can't hear you, marix!" |
| 16:12.59 | Disconnect | marix: gotta do "leeds is a bloke..etc" "leeds is also a bloke called".. etc etc. once for each section |
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| 16:13.16 | Leeds | infobot: botsnack |
| 16:13.16 | infobot | aw, gee, Leeds |
| 16:13.28 | marix | infobot leeds is a bloke called Richard making bras in Hong Kong |
| 16:13.29 | infobot | okay, marix |
| 16:13.46 | marix | infobot leeds is a bloke called Richard |
| 16:13.47 | infobot | ...but leeds is already something else... |
| 16:14.02 | Leeds | infobot leeds is also a block called Richard |
| 16:14.02 | infobot | Leeds: okay |
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| 16:14.13 | Leeds | and for the record, it responds to /msg - no need to clog the channel |
| 16:14.16 | Phlogi | i typed in the wep key as text not hex :D |
| 16:14.25 | marix | kk |
| 16:14.39 | marix | you arn't gonna smite me or anything are you? |
| 16:15.04 | marix | should i fix the spelling error in alien? |
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| 16:15.42 | Leeds | I don't have smiting powers in this channel :-) |
| 16:18.32 | Phlogi | hmm still does not work |
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| 16:19.12 | Leeds | for what it's worth, by the way, most of the things infobot says about me are true :-) |
| 16:20.11 | marix | hongkong bra's and all? |
| 16:20.20 | Leeds | those bits are true, yes |
| 16:20.40 | marix | hmm |
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| 16:20.56 | Leeds | I am in Hong Kong, and I did get fired from the bra company |
| 16:21.13 | gfindster_dev | testt |
| 16:22.13 | Phlogi | I tried with open network now... but still no success... I can see how the phone gets the ip adress on my laptop... |
| 16:24.51 | Phlogi | does the phone does IEEE 802.11g? |
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| 16:38.38 | Leeds | Phlogi: yes |
| 16:38.55 | Phlogi | hmm why does it not work then... thats weird |
| 16:39.10 | Phlogi | it says its connected.. but I can't go to any website nor google maps |
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| 16:41.40 | Phlogi | is there a way to see the dns information of the connection? |
| 16:42.28 | Decavolt | Settiings -> WiFi Settings |
| 16:43.04 | Phlogi | and then? |
| 16:43.18 | Phlogi | it does not show :p |
| 16:43.51 | Decavolt | do you want your IP address, or DNS info for DHCP? |
| 16:44.04 | blau | people have made some ridiculous ui's |
| 16:44.45 | blau | cashflow is awful |
| 16:44.53 | blau | they removed the title bar |
| 16:44.53 | Phlogi | Decavolt: the second |
| 16:45.10 | blau | theres 2 pushable non buttons |
| 16:45.17 | Phlogi | I want to debug the connection actually |
| 16:45.19 | blau | they have a section with black on dark green |
| 16:45.31 | Decavolt | Phlogi: have you looked at the menus at all? Settings -> Wifi Settings. Push Menu, go to Advanced. It's all right there. |
| 16:46.15 | Phlogi | Decavolt: yes, there I can only do some IP settings... three is no information there at all |
| 16:47.02 | Decavolt | No, IP address, gateway, netmask and two DNS listings are there. What else do you want? |
| 16:47.37 | Phlogi | Decavolt: I want to see what dns information my phone received and uses after it has connected to a network, and that information is not available |
| 16:48.02 | Decavolt | Phlogi: of ypi |
| 16:48.14 | Phlogi | Decavolt: what? |
| 16:48.18 | Decavolt | (typo) |
| 16:48.55 | Decavolt | if you're connecting to wifi via DHCP, you're connection will use whatever DNS servers your router is using. You can set specific DNS servers (different) in the menu I mentioned above. |
| 16:48.56 | Phlogi | I have no idea why the connection does not work... so I guessed its maybe a dns issue... |
| 16:49.09 | Phlogi | Decavolt: Yes I know |
| 16:49.12 | Decavolt | is this your own wifi router? |
| 16:49.18 | Phlogi | Decavolt: its my laptop |
| 16:49.34 | Decavolt | as a host for the phoen? |
| 16:49.37 | Decavolt | *phone |
| 16:49.54 | Phlogi | exactly. Its not the first time I'm doing this and I'm actualy familiar with it |
| 16:50.10 | Phlogi | so my dhcp server is configured... |
| 16:50.45 | Decavolt | first time or not, what other info are you looking for? The IP settings pane on the G1 shows you everything. |
| 16:51.09 | Phlogi | Decavolt: subnet mask, dns servers and so on |
| 16:51.18 | Decavolt | DNS servers are there. |
| 16:51.21 | Phlogi | maybe even mac adress of router |
| 16:51.26 | Phlogi | Decavolt: here not! |
| 16:51.56 | Phlogi | Decavolt: where exactly? That advanced thing is not to get the dns server but to set everything statically! |
| 16:52.01 | Phlogi | as far as I understand it |
| 16:52.14 | Phlogi | i can get inofmarion about connection when I click on the wifi |
| 16:52.25 | Phlogi | but says only the essid and ip adress and signal strength |
| 16:52.54 | Decavolt | DNS info, when using DHCP, defaults to whatever your router is set to. In other words, it's NOT filled in on the client unless you specify alternate addresses. |
| 16:53.06 | Decavolt | so check your router (the laptop) if you want to know what DNS servers it's using |
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| 16:54.02 | Decavolt | and your subnet is going to be 255.255.255.0 unless you've done something insane to the network you've setup |
| 16:54.05 | Phlogi | it works now :D |
| 16:54.15 | Phlogi | it was the dns server |
| 16:54.20 | Phlogi | on my config :) |
| 16:54.22 | Decavolt | amazing! |
| 16:54.39 | Phlogi | Decavolt: when I could have checked that on the phone, it saved me time :p |
| 16:54.41 | Phlogi | gg |
| 16:54.46 | Phlogi | Decavolt: thanks anyway |
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| 16:55.00 | Phlogi | fine, now I have to leave :D |
| 16:55.01 | blau | anyone use dgAway or dgAlert on their g1? |
| 16:55.01 | Phlogi | later |
| 16:55.05 | Decavolt | reading what I wrote the first time would have saved you time as well. :P |
| 16:55.51 | blau | lol i just tried to call the emulator from my real phone :( |
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| 16:57.22 | meyou | blau-MikeDG: whats it do? |
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| 16:58.22 | blau-MikeDG | dgAlert, turns the screen on when u get a SMS and lets you set a cusotm vibration for SMS messages |
| 16:58.51 | blau-MikeDG | dgAway, lets you forward SMS and call alerts to a number you specifiy, or set an auto response to calls or sMS if you are in a meeting or unavailable |
| 16:59.16 | blau-MikeDG | it also lets you send a quick SMS reply if you decline or miss a call |
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| 17:08.38 | anno^da_ | What is the maximum download rate with 3G (UMTS/HSDPA) that the G1 is capable of? (is it possible to get a max of 7,2 Mbit with the G1?) |
| 17:09.09 | marix | anno^da_ if you were sitting ontop of the tower... |
| 17:09.22 | marix | i'd expect speeds of 3-5 |
| 17:09.42 | RyeBrye | anno^da_ - I hear it's pretty fast. Google switched their entire data links for their search servers to using a bank of G1's tethered over USB because it was so fast... |
| 17:09.46 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 17:09.48 | anno^da_ | ;) Well I know. I'm just interested if the device itself is capable of the maximum speed. |
| 17:10.09 | anno^da_ | RyeBrye: ;) |
| 17:10.18 | marix | ;) |
| 17:10.26 | marix | creepy ass wink |
| 17:10.26 | RyeBrye | There are a few speed test apps on the market |
| 17:10.38 | RyeBrye | I'm in an EDGE area, so I can't really help |
| 17:10.44 | marix | ditto |
| 17:11.02 | marix | btw, anyone know when the KC market will go 3g? |
| 17:11.08 | easwar | Where can we find out more about Android,everything short of the code? |
| 17:11.17 | marix | www.android.com |
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| 17:16.33 | bgupta | Hey all is has anyone "jailbroken" a b30+ build yet?? |
| 17:17.02 | elbac | Anyone notice that the G1 and the Blackberry charges have the same plug???? |
| 17:17.11 | elbac | And if so, anyone done that? |
| 17:17.24 | bgupta | Chargers work |
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| 17:17.49 | bgupta | it's a standard miniusb charge cable |
| 17:17.55 | elbac | awesome, thanks. |
| 17:18.59 | bgupta | Hey I have a b30 upgrade that accidentily got started.. I want to break out of it and cancel the upgrade... I heard that their might be a way to do it.. anyone have any links? |
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| 17:20.16 | Nafai | Is there any way of creating new widgets yet? |
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| 17:22.09 | blau-MikeDG | nope |
| 17:23.13 | andyross | Probably not strictly true. The source for the existing ones is there, so you could study and emulate. Probably can't add yourself to the registry or whatnot though. You'd have to spawn it some other way. |
| 17:23.30 | jasta | bgupta: i dont recommend you interrupt a firmware update |
| 17:26.16 | bgupta | jasta: I have already yanked the battery.... It keeps trying to restart the firmware update everytime I put the battery back in. The phone loses 90% of it's coolness factor if it can't be jailbroken... chances are if I can't get this interrupted I'll switch to a jailbroken iPhone. I am willing to risk brickification to keep b29 |
| 17:26.24 | RyeBrye | bgupta - it will continue to do that |
| 17:27.09 | Lenolium | bgupta: Didn't you install the sudo/su utility while you had root? |
| 17:27.11 | RyeBrye | bgupta - you need to put the full update.zip for rc29 on your sdcard and then boot with that holding down power + home and then hit alt+L alt+S to get ti to use the SD card one - this might work |
| 17:27.31 | blau-MikeDG | now that i can back up SMS, i think its time for everyone to bitch at tmobile for not being able to do it |
| 17:27.34 | bgupta | No, I was busy with work... didn't get a chance to do the research on what was required |
| 17:27.38 | blau-MikeDG | so i can sell them my solution! |
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| 17:28.06 | bgupta | RyeBrye: Where can I get that? |
| 17:30.50 | bgupta | http://www.mobilewhack.com/how-to-manually-upgrade-g1-firmware-to-rc29/ is this the procedure? |
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| 17:31.05 | michaelnovakjr | blau-MikeDG: i dont think they'll need to buy the solution :) |
| 17:31.17 | blau-MikeDG | why not? |
| 17:31.22 | blau-MikeDG | they dont have one |
| 17:31.26 | michaelnovakjr | i'm sure they can do it :) |
| 17:31.58 | blau-MikeDG | you have too much faith buddy |
| 17:33.57 | RyeBrye | bgupta - yes, that's the procedure, and it has the links |
| 17:34.17 | RyeBrye | bgupta - I'm not sure if it will let you do it while your phone is trying to use the one from the /cache or not - but it's at least worth a shot |
| 17:35.00 | bgupta | Links are broken.... will I be able to downgrade? IE: Could I let it jsut finish rc30 and then do the sdcard thing to downgrade? |
| 17:35.57 | bgupta | Found another plase with the files. |
| 17:35.59 | bgupta | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=OTA_Updates |
| 17:37.11 | bgupta | BTW everytime I have broken out is while it is still verifying the update... |
| 17:37.58 | snadge | my phone keeps prompting me to update :/ |
| 17:38.32 | bgupta | Be careful that prompt can be tricky and come up just as you are pressing the screen to do something else |
| 17:38.39 | jasta | is going to hack the Updater to pester me only once daily |
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| 17:39.17 | jsharkey | hmm if you have root, could you just add a hosts entry so it doesnt checkin for updates? |
| 17:40.22 | bgupta | soemone out to build an update server that says it's at rc29... and then hack hosts table.. problem is prolly uses ssl certs for id. |
| 17:41.32 | bgupta | signed-kila-ota-115247-prereq.TC4-RC19_RC28.ZIP is the good one, yeah? |
| 17:41.36 | jsharkey | i think the handshake process is involved, with an actual two-way discussion, which would be harder to implement |
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| 17:46.32 | snadge | if i update to JF's RC30, will it stop prompting me to update? |
| 17:47.28 | andyross | Yes |
| 17:48.47 | snadge | im indecisive about doing that or just using official one |
| 17:50.14 | andyross | You can always choose to downgrade to the official version at a later time. Having installed it, you can never get root back. I'd say "indecision" argues heavily for using the modded firmware. :) |
| 17:50.53 | blau-MikeDG | grrr |
| 17:52.15 | bgupta | It would probably be a decent bet, that someone somewhere will eventually figure out how, or leak out how to get root on a b30+ device. Sadly we have no idea when that will be, so go with modded. |
| 17:52.37 | blau-MikeDG | does this ring a bell to anyone fo7jhwarg940109@w.tmomail.net |
| 17:52.46 | snadge | true, i will do that when i get back to australian in a few days |
| 17:53.08 | RyeBrye | bgupta - if you are on RC29 now, you can't downgrade to RC28 regardless |
| 17:53.10 | blau-MikeDG | is that an email address? |
| 17:53.19 | RyeBrye | bgupta - but that one I think should work, eys |
| 17:53.20 | snadge | im using my g1 to irc via ssh.. its a bit fiddly |
| 17:53.47 | Decavolt | it's going to be |
| 17:54.10 | Decavolt | I've never had fast + stable ssh connections on my G1 |
| 17:54.12 | RyeBrye | bgupta - but if it is already seeing files in /cache and using those instead of letting you pick to use the SDcard, you might be screwed - unless you let it verify and then start flashing but then cause it to fail flashing by pulling the battery - but that's pretty dangerous |
| 17:54.24 | Decavolt | especially not for continual connections like IRC |
| 17:54.46 | blau-MikeDG | any suggestions for looking into the inner workings of android to figure out mms stuff |
| 17:54.53 | bgupta | (RyeBrye: acknowledged |
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| 17:59.28 | snadge | it seems to be stable/fast |
| 17:59.34 | bgupta | Curious why google is being so restrictive.. In a weird way the iPhone is more open than any android device. (Not necessarily by design mind you).. I was hoping the Android would usher in a whole new era of mobile opens source hackery... I can understand why they want to make the official supported method of app dev "Java", but OTOH locking down is really uncool. |
| 18:00.03 | blau-MikeDG | ur uncool |
| 18:00.08 | Decavolt | snadge: then define "fiddly" |
| 18:00.39 | snadge | its early days yet, you wait and see what competing devices will do for aqndroid |
| 18:01.02 | jbq | bgupta: the key here is that the G1 isn't a Google device, it's a T-Mobile device. |
| 18:01.12 | snadge | small screen and keyboard takes a little getting used to |
| 18:01.23 | michaelnovakjr | bgupta: how could you say the iPhone is more open? |
| 18:01.29 | jasta | bgupta: android itself is not the problem. the fact that traditional carriers are launching those devices is. anyone could come along and build an uber hackable android phone if they so chose |
| 18:01.33 | jasta | and launch it independent of the carriers |
| 18:01.43 | jasta | and quite honestly in a year or so i expect we will see things like that |
| 18:01.55 | andyross | bgupta: You're conflating a few different things. The fact that the phone doesn't have root and isn't user-reflashable is a carrier restriction as much as anything. And it's annoying. But the use of Java is unrelated -- you can write native code just fine on the G1, albeit without an official SDK. |
| 18:02.57 | snadge | i really like my g1.. i wanted a smartphone that doesn't run windows.. it delivers ;) |
| 18:03.12 | michaelnovakjr | i have an iPhone and a G1..... the G1 is better |
| 18:03.43 | snadge | it hasn't crashed on me yet, my mates htc titan tytn ii, crashes almost daily |
| 18:04.50 | andyross | For some things. For others, the iPhone kicks its butt. :( You wouldn't choose the G1 as a media player, it just doesn't compare. The browser is a solid #2 behind the iPhone's, but still not as good. The open SDK is a huge win for developers, but hasn't yet translated into better apps, IMHO. |
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| 18:05.22 | snadge | he has had to factory reset it due to bugs/poor performance, numerous times.. to be fair that could be caused by poorly written winmo apps |
| 18:05.38 | andyross | The G1 wins on anything text related (the iPhone has nothing like ConnectBot, and never will), and the maps integration is better done, IMHO. |
| 18:05.56 | michaelnovakjr | andyross: the iPhone has ssh |
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| 18:06.12 | _zippy | ;) |
| 18:06.15 | snadge | i just wish google would add proper navigation support to maps, and offline maps |
| 18:06.52 | an_dev | does anybody know how to configure the emulator's back key with some of the click event of my application |
| 18:06.58 | andyross | But then if you want to give powerpoint presentations and review word documents, you want to chuck both and go with a WinMo brick. You pay your money and make your choice. (And no, "having ssh" isn't nearly the same thing as having an 80x24 terminal emulator with a hardware keyboard) |
| 18:07.04 | snadge | it blows having to manually scroll and step through the directions |
| 18:07.08 | blau-MikeDG | i like g1 browser better than iphone |
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| 18:07.11 | blau-MikeDG | it scrolls nicer |
| 18:07.26 | RyeBrye | copy + paste |
| 18:07.39 | andyross | Yeah, I fit that under "anything text related". |
| 18:07.44 | blau-MikeDG | copy/paste sucks on android too |
| 18:07.47 | bgupta | andyross: connectbot is cool.. |
| 18:07.54 | RyeBrye | yeah, but it will get better soon |
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| 18:08.16 | michaelnovakjr | i wasn't comparing ssh, simply said it has it :) |
| 18:08.21 | blau-MikeDG | are there any plans for the "you have your finger covering the screen, so lets show you what you are pressing" feature |
| 18:08.29 | bgupta | andyross: My understand is if we want to install gnu tool (written in C vs. java) we need root |
| 18:08.38 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 18:08.42 | bgupta | gnu tools that is |
| 18:09.01 | snadge | has andreoid been ported to openmoko? |
| 18:09.09 | blau-MikeDG | i believe so |
| 18:09.12 | blau-MikeDG | but no keyboard is a killer |
| 18:09.30 | bgupta | ack... what I meant to say is "My understanding is that if we want to install gnu tools, you would need root. |
| 18:09.32 | jbq | bgupta: I think that any app can install and run its own executables. No need to have root for that. |
| 18:09.33 | andyross | No. JNI works fine from userspace applications. The trick is to write out your shared library at runtime. The "neocore" demo in the market does that, and I have a working OpenGL rig. |
| 18:09.55 | bgupta | I see |
| 18:10.19 | andyross | And installing a working shell environment can also be done without root, although it's a huge pain (not much writable space for executables on the phone). |
| 18:10.45 | snadge | how does one send ALT using connectbot? (no its not alt) |
| 18:11.16 | fadden | Android on OpenMoko: http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android |
| 18:11.33 | fadden | Android on Noka N810: http://nthcode.com/pubs/porting-android-to-a-new-device.html |
| 18:11.34 | florz | hrm ... by any chance, is there possibly a known bug in the G1 RC29 that prevents it from ringing? It's not "google-activated", it puts the incoming calls into the call log, and outgoing calls work fine ... |
| 18:11.52 | andyross | You don't send alt, it's a modifier on traditional terminals. And I don't know, but almost all apps that interpret it will respond to ESC-key as "Alt-key" |
| 18:12.47 | blau-MikeDG | oh no someone has a problem with my app :( |
| 18:14.30 | Phlogi | microSDHC si the card to use with the g1 right? |
| 18:14.36 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 18:14.57 | luok | snadge: i think left alt works as alt |
| 18:15.20 | bgupta | Or plain microSD if you don't need more than 2GB capacity. |
| 18:18.19 | Phlogi | bgupta: ok thanks, I'll buy a 16GB |
| 18:18.52 | blau-MikeDG | grrrr i didnt test good enough |
| 18:18.53 | snadge | in bitchx (irc client) you can use alt-n to switch between windows. thankfully you can also use esc, but double tap on trackball is annoying |
| 18:18.56 | bgupta | OK before I brick this thing.. anyone want to tell me how to inturrupt this firmware update? |
| 18:19.27 | luok | snadge: irssi ftw |
| 18:19.34 | blau-MikeDG | cause the stupid emulator functions differently |
| 18:20.01 | luok | its like bitchx but without all the bugs |
| 18:20.13 | blau-MikeDG | and Long doesnt like strings with + in them, grrr |
| 18:20.33 | vol | Anyone who's done native c dev on android, have you been able to link against the PNG libraries? If so, mind talking to me? We want to use native PNG libraries instead of including our own |
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| 18:23.50 | andyross | vol: I haven't, but it seems like libpng is included inside libsgl.so -- have you tried linking to that? |
| 18:24.23 | vol | I'll check that next. I haven't been doing this, my coworker has, he asked me to ask on here if anyone has had success :P |
| 18:25.05 | bgupta | OK, I may have found a loophole... seems that after rc30 installs if you keep hitting Alt-S it prevents the device from rebooting. and let's you into the real recovery console. at which point you can do the install from SD. Fingers crossed, trying to reboot after doing the sdcard update to rc29.. (From an RC30 that hadn't been rebooted yet) |
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| 18:28.00 | marix | im suprised we havn't seen a new rc released since 30 |
| 18:28.13 | marix | both 29 and 30 came out suepr quick |
| 18:28.24 | marix | now nothing... |
| 18:29.21 | jbq | marix: no bugs important enough to justify an incremental fix. |
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| 18:30.40 | Phlogi | now a good question: Where do I insert the flash card on the g1? Is there an online manual for the phone? |
| 18:31.16 | fadden | Phlogi: the SD card? |
| 18:31.17 | bgupta | Little tab to the right of the keypad.. |
| 18:31.21 | Nafai | Is there an adapter that allows you to use headphones and a charger at the same time? |
| 18:31.29 | fadden | Open keyboard, pry open door in bottom right. |
| 18:31.31 | luok | Phlogi: http://support.t-mobile.com/knowbase/root/public/tm30234.pdf |
| 18:31.41 | fadden | Grow long fingernails or use a paperclip to eject existing card, if any. |
| 18:32.12 | luok | hehe long fingernail also useful for usb cover |
| 18:32.23 | Phlogi | bgupta: thanks |
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| 18:33.57 | bgupta | Woot!! Back on RC29.... |
| 18:34.09 | bgupta | lophole worked |
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| 18:34.40 | bgupta | as long as you don't reboot you can flash back down to rc29 from rc30 |
| 18:34.40 | mza- | did you just downgrade? |
| 18:34.41 | mza- | oh |
| 18:34.43 | mza- | nevermind |
| 18:34.51 | tmzt_ | source for the recovery is in recovery.git, isn't it? |
| 18:35.25 | bgupta | mza-: I was stuck in the upgrade loop... and scared it was a lost cause |
| 18:35.39 | mza- | i want rc29:( |
| 18:35.45 | mza- | im one of "those" assholes |
| 18:35.58 | mza- | the g1-hackers list has gotten very interesting today:) |
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| 18:36.08 | bgupta | what happens if you try and do an sdcard install recovery? |
| 18:36.15 | mza- | i haven't tried |
| 18:36.19 | mza- | people say it doesnt work |
| 18:36.54 | bgupta | yeah.. I'd want to see it for myself before.... returning my "defective" phone back to t-mobile. |
| 18:36.59 | Nafai | mza-: Where's this list? |
| 18:37.01 | mza- | lol |
| 18:37.19 | mza- | http://www.telesphoreo.org/pipermail/g1-hackers/ |
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| 18:38.56 | bgupta | Mmm now that I am back on rc29... anyone have a link to the sudo install instructions? |
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| 18:39.15 | mza- | im confused |
| 18:39.19 | mza- | you were on official rc30 |
| 18:39.20 | mza- | ? |
| 18:40.02 | bgupta | Yes.. sorta... I accidentally hit upgrade... and the phone rebooted and started to do the cached upgrade.. I imeddiately yanked the battery |
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| 18:40.24 | bgupta | at that point I couldn't for the life of me break out of the update.. it jsut wouldn't work |
| 18:40.37 | bgupta | everytime I powered back on it started doing the update |
| 18:41.39 | bgupta | So I got the update.zip for rc29 on an sdcard... tried the home key trick for recovery console, then alt-l to see logging info... turns out the upgrade was the recovery console so that was a dead end |
| 18:42.58 | bgupta | I tried various key combos, and got nothing... but I kept hitting alt-s while the upgrade was running and when the upgrade finished the standard recovery console came up. (Which does let you install from SDCard.) |
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| 18:43.28 | bgupta | I tried installeing rc29 over rc30 and so far so good... It worked. |
| 18:43.40 | mza- | that's cool |
| 18:43.47 | bgupta | I suspect the issue is once you have rebooted you are stuck |
| 18:44.09 | mza- | i just wanna tether my n810:( |
| 18:44.50 | bgupta | THe big problem with the n810 is that some laptops have better battery life than it does. So kinda lame there |
| 18:44.59 | mza- | yea |
| 18:45.01 | mza- | but it's tiny |
| 18:45.12 | bgupta | I want a mobile device to have a portable shipstone. |
| 18:45.12 | mza- | i have it mounted in my car |
| 18:47.23 | bgupta | cool |
| 18:48.47 | Disconnect | bgupta: if you got back to rc29 do yourself a favor and hack it now. |
| 18:49.30 | bgupta | Disconnect: Looking for directions now... |
| 18:49.37 | bgupta | have a link handy? |
| 18:49.58 | Disconnect | infobot: keeping root is http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root |
| 18:49.59 | infobot | okay, Disconnect |
| 18:50.04 | Disconnect | infobot: tell bgupta about keeping root |
| 18:50.05 | Disconnect | :) |
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| 18:50.33 | bgupta | :) thank you |
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| 19:00.14 | Disconnect | hmm. anyone know if that kogan phone will do us-tmob 3g? (i'm betting no of course, but..) |
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| 19:00.23 | Disconnect | wif needs a phone and she likes that form factor |
| 19:05.45 | Disconnect | or has it been debunked already? :) |
| 19:07.13 | blau-MikeDG | disc: i emailed them |
| 19:07.22 | blau-MikeDG | i love the kogan form factor |
| 19:07.27 | blau-MikeDG | although i didnt see a search button :( |
| 19:07.29 | sparkle | bgupta: awesome! |
| 19:07.59 | bgupta | sparkle: Tell me about it! I was really stressing out.. |
| 19:08.14 | sparkle | sounds like a very near miss |
| 19:08.49 | bgupta | Is the telnet hack the best way to get a root shell still? |
| 19:08.50 | blau-MikeDG | does android have a "add to contacts" thing |
| 19:08.54 | blau-MikeDG | after you get a phone call? |
| 19:09.03 | blau-MikeDG | like, oh you dont have a contact, would you like to add this number |
| 19:09.25 | KNY_ | how are you folks planning on ensuring that your apps still behave decently across multiple devices? |
| 19:09.35 | blau-MikeDG | kny: buy them all! |
| 19:09.42 | KNY | across differing screen resolutions, to be exact |
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| 19:09.53 | KNY | blau-MikeDG, you must make more money from your apps than I do ;) |
| 19:10.05 | sparkle | well, keep in mind that anything you type goes to a root console |
| 19:10.10 | blau-MikeDG | i made 40 bucks :P |
| 19:10.12 | sparkle | telnetd makes it an awful lot easier |
| 19:10.20 | KNY | blau-MikeDG, you're twice as rich as I am! |
| 19:10.42 | blau-MikeDG | i win! |
| 19:11.04 | blau-MikeDG | think the kogan would fall back to edge fine? even if 3g didnt work |
| 19:11.12 | Fredbo | ~ |
| 19:11.55 | blau-MikeDG | kny: what apps have you worked on |
| 19:12.07 | KNY | blau-MikeDG, Mileage and G1 Central |
| 19:12.56 | blau-MikeDG | nice |
| 19:13.35 | blau-MikeDG | i want to replace the home screen so bad |
| 19:13.55 | marix | replace it w/ what? |
| 19:14.03 | blau-MikeDG | something better! |
| 19:14.16 | marix | more betteR? |
| 19:14.25 | blau-MikeDG | more betterRRR |
| 19:14.36 | KNY | is it september 19th already? |
| 19:14.53 | marix | with all those r's your statement just gained 15 horsepower! |
| 19:16.02 | romainguy | blau-MikeDG: you're welcome to write a new Home screen :) |
| 19:16.11 | romainguy | there's even sample code to show you how :) |
| 19:16.26 | marix | a more betterrr one? |
| 19:16.35 | blau-MikeDG | but i thought you couldnt make the new screen the default one? |
| 19:16.40 | blau-MikeDG | or did i think wrong |
| 19:16.55 | marix | romainguy, is it true that the neocore demo wasn't written in java? |
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| 19:17.19 | romainguy | I don't know, look at the apl |
| 19:17.21 | romainguy | apk |
| 19:17.25 | romainguy | or ask the authors |
| 19:18.07 | marix | i though you developed all android applications currently on the market, i guess someone lied to me... |
| 19:18.07 | blau-MikeDG | romain: where the sample code? |
| 19:19.00 | sparkle | hey bgupta - sent you a pm |
| 19:19.15 | Disconnect | anyone wanna know where tmob g1 is probably coming next? :) the bootloader lists a bunch of TM* (TMUK etc) countries. CZ? in luck. HR? got it. SK? congrats. MK? no idea who you are, but merry christmas. |
| 19:19.21 | romainguy | blau-MikeDG: in the SDK, in the samples/ directory :) |
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| 19:19.37 | blau-MikeDG | omg you so smart! |
| 19:19.55 | marix | mk, you know... mortal kombatia! |
| 19:20.12 | blau-MikeDG | so how do i get back the default homescreen if i select use by default for this action? |
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| 19:20.15 | sparkle | Disconnect: macedonia? |
| 19:20.28 | romainguy | blau-MikeDG: uninstall it or boot in safe mode |
| 19:20.35 | romainguy | (press menu during boot) |
| 19:20.49 | blau-MikeDG | ok thanks buckaroo |
| 19:20.55 | blau-MikeDG | romainguy is my hero |
| 19:21.02 | Disconnect | wow once you "use by default" the only way to undo that is to uninstall the app? guess i shouldn't say "browser" for youtube links if i ever want to see youtube again :( |
| 19:21.03 | marix | president scorpion wrote a letter to tmobile. all it said was " Get OVER Here!!!" thats all it took. |
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| 19:21.29 | romainguy | Disconnect: you can also wipe your data :) |
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| 19:21.40 | marix | always an option |
| 19:21.44 | Disconnect | sweet. esp since i can't back it up first. |
| 19:22.01 | andyross | marix: yes, neocore is a native application. The .apk file contains the relevant shared library as a raw resource. |
| 19:22.04 | romainguy | blau-MikeDG: I also invite you to read the source code of the current Home screen; there are tons of tiny details that the Home screen needs to take care of |
| 19:22.10 | jbq | Disconnect: actually, you can reset that in the "manage applications" settings panel. |
| 19:22.18 | romainguy | thanks jbq :) |
| 19:22.21 | Phlogi | I've got a phone with android version rc30, so I can't install any other bootloader or android right? |
| 19:22.23 | Disconnect | thats much better :) |
| 19:22.29 | Disconnect | Phlogi: yep |
| 19:22.49 | Phlogi | Disconnect: what disadvantages do I have? |
| 19:22.49 | marix | phlogi, not yet anyway |
| 19:22.54 | blau-MikeDG | so are those little details, the likely reason there are no home screens in the market |
| 19:23.15 | Phlogi | furthermore, why do they create a free system but try to cut down the freedom of the user on the phone? |
| 19:23.20 | romainguy | blau-MikeDG: maybe people are just happy with the current Home screen? |
| 19:23.39 | Disconnect | Phlogi: basically you can't bang on the platform. or on any google apps. you can only work inside the sdk ('bang on' includes installing things other people have done in that space) |
| 19:23.44 | marix | phlogi we need a #androidsoapbox for that discussion |
| 19:24.03 | Disconnect | romainguy: i'd happily trade my entire cache partition for a home app that loaded in under 15 seconds when people ask to see my phone :/ |
| 19:24.05 | Phlogi | a p box? |
| 19:24.09 | Phlogi | marix: ? |
| 19:24.23 | romainguy | Disconnect: I still cannot reproduce your issue, but I welcome patches :) |
| 19:24.27 | Phlogi | hmm yes ok, so basically it was tmobiles idea to not let root access to users? |
| 19:24.38 | romainguy | Disconnect: alternatively, you can install the Home screen from the SDL :) |
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| 19:24.39 | romainguy | SDK |
| 19:24.40 | Disconnect | romainguy: its not just my issue. |
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| 19:25.04 | vol | ha |
| 19:25.07 | Disconnect | hmm. thats a thought. i'm hoping to get time to start rolling my own images this weekend (emu or device, haven't had time in general) |
| 19:26.14 | DarkriftX | plusminus_: i take it you dont need any beta testers for the us? |
| 19:27.47 | Disconnect | Phlogi: it was google's idea. don't let them tell you otherwise :) they can handwave about bootloader/reflash access but at the end of the day, they designed a security system that only works if the user's don't have system access. |
| 19:27.58 | Disconnect | er, users |
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| 19:31.47 | Phlogi | Disconnect: hmm yes... but it sucks... or aren't there any big things I'm missing without a "freed/hacked" phone? |
| 19:32.39 | marix | anyone else not realize that the shopsavvy barcode scanner needs to be held across the barcode? i spent 30 minutes trying to swipe barcodes before i accidently turned it the right way |
| 19:32.41 | Disconnect | right now, autorotate and such. move web/appstore/streetview cache to /cache or sd card, install apps to sd card, bluetooth tethering (my project, although i've had to ignore it this week and its got some speed issues) etc. |
| 19:32.54 | Disconnect | marix: i looked at the line it draws |
| 19:33.34 | marix | disconnect, it looked like the red laser, same as they use in the grocery store |
| 19:33.39 | marix | thats what threw me off |
| 19:33.48 | Disconnect | i guess you could look at that line as a scanner-style swiper but i thought back to my long-vanished days in retail (when scanners used a straight line no less :) instead of the ### pattern) and ran the red line right across the barcode |
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| 19:34.28 | marix | anyway, long story short, that app works amazingly well at grabbing barcodes |
| 19:34.50 | Disconnect | heh |
| 19:34.50 | blau-MikeDG | autorotate is lame |
| 19:34.56 | blau-MikeDG | iphone doesnt even do it everywhere |
| 19:35.16 | Disconnect | autorotate is a killer app for some people. i didn't bother but.. |
| 19:35.27 | marix | blau-mikedg it does get abit annoying, try playing amazed, it restarts teh game if you tilt it to far |
| 19:35.43 | Disconnect | hahaha thats awesome |
| 19:35.46 | blau-MikeDG | lol |
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| 19:36.51 | marix | amazed could use some physics in it, if you get the right angle you can pixel by pixel push that ball around |
| 19:37.02 | vol | hah yeah |
| 19:37.24 | blau-MikeDG | i was gonna work on a game that tells up to flip or spin the phone |
| 19:37.27 | blau-MikeDG | quickly |
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| 19:38.26 | mrios | Hi everyone!!! Do you know how can I do a simple layout with four tabs on the top using xml . Tried to look for code in Google but neither of the ones I found worked. Thanks! |
| 19:38.48 | marix | it would probably work ok, but, like the wii, if you figure out what the accelerometer wants you can fake it into doing whatever without all the over teh top movements |
| 19:39.12 | marix | like baseball, sure you can stand there like a douche, but if you just rotate teh controller it works just as well |
| 19:40.41 | andyross | kinda thought "standing there like a douche" was, y'know, the game. I mean, hell, why not just hack the console to record the game result and not play it at all. Or turn it off and lie to your friends to make them *think* you played? :) |
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| 19:42.25 | marix | andyross, i had a bad experience with the wii, perhaps i'm biased |
| 19:42.46 | andyross | doesn't own a game console. |
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| 19:46.58 | marix | i bet back when irc was brand new, that 3rd person shit was an amazing feature. |
| 19:47.05 | vol | Argh, brain fart. I'm calling getAllProviders on my LocationManager, and I'm getting an empty list. Did the new emulator get rid of providers? |
| 19:48.23 | blau-MikeDG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:49.18 | andyross | got used to emotes while living a life as a MUD addict in college long ago. |
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| 19:51.08 | marix | i have yet to beat the first level in deflektor :( |
| 19:51.21 | vol | argh, what the hell. |
| 19:51.59 | vol | Seriously, can anyone tell me why LocationManager.getAllProviders returns a null list, and I get an error if I try to request updates by passing LocationManager.GPS_PROVIDER |
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| 19:56.18 | vol | Ok, it's because I was using a custom data directory. Hmm. |
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| 20:01.56 | marix | vol, have you tried it without a custom data directory? |
| 20:02.04 | luok | hm i wish sms would keep retrying even after being placed in "undelivered messages" |
| 20:02.06 | marix | thats the hangup i ran it to a while ago |
| 20:02.36 | luok | messages just sit there even when connection comes back and have to all be manually re-sent |
| 20:02.46 | Damm | meh |
| 20:03.00 | Damm | i wish there was like an irc channel I could find for F5 Engineers and users who use the friggen bigips |
| 20:03.23 | marix | i need something to do for 2 hours till i can go home from work... |
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| 20:03.27 | marix | any suggestions> |
| 20:03.30 | marix | ? |
| 20:03.35 | luok | youtube |
| 20:03.39 | Disconnect | Damm: i hate our bigip, does that count? |
| 20:03.41 | marix | websensed |
| 20:03.57 | luok | proxy! |
| 20:04.06 | Disconnect | marix: got root? |
| 20:04.10 | sparkle | i hate your bigip too |
| 20:04.11 | sparkle | laughs |
| 20:04.12 | marix | well sure |
| 20:04.28 | Disconnect | marix: got xp building boot.img? |
| 20:04.37 | marix | luok, the network guy here is mega security crazy |
| 20:04.40 | Damm | Disconnect, no not really... updating to 9.4.5, and finding out that 9.4.6 is about to get released |
| 20:04.49 | Damm | and tomcat's being psycho on here |
| 20:05.01 | Disconnect | i need a simple set of tests (which won't even break anything except - worst case - temporarily bluetooth) to see how fast the hciattach can be set |
| 20:05.07 | marix | disconnect, nope |
| 20:05.41 | luok | marix: ah yeah helps to have completely incompetent it dept |
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| 20:06.21 | marix | disconnect, but im not totally helpless if you can give me some direction... |
| 20:06.42 | vol | marix: that's what I just said. |
| 20:07.09 | marix | vol, oh, dang jsut a secont too late |
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| 20:08.42 | Damm | Disconnect, what kind of speeds are you getting? |
| 20:08.45 | Damm | out of curiosity |
| 20:09.05 | Disconnect | reports are 70-80kb .. so 115200. which, coincidentally, is whats in init.trout.rc for hciattach |
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| 20:09.33 | Disconnect | marix: you need the full source tree ready to build (for simplicities sake) or .. hmm. lemme find the wiki page or whatever it was. you can unpack your old boot.img, modify it, and repack it if oyu have a linux box. |
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| 20:10.03 | marix | disconnect, im at work currently, windows only :( |
| 20:10.04 | blau-MikeDG | Folders! |
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| 20:10.27 | Disconnect | probably doable in windows but i'm not going there. :) |
| 20:11.11 | marix | i dont have anything on this machine outside of notepad anyway |
| 20:11.26 | blau-MikeDG | anyone know where in the source, the home app is? |
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| 20:13.37 | marix | ryebrye, i cant stop thinking about UKTOTW! |
| 20:13.41 | bgupta | Got it all setup: http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root |
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| 20:14.07 | bgupta | nice that busybox is included in the modded RC30 firmware image |
| 20:14.19 | bgupta | too bad all the symlinks aren't there |
| 20:14.26 | RyeBrye | marix - Yeah, that is one ugly chain :) |
| 20:14.43 | marix | blows my mind |
| 20:15.05 | blau-MikeDG | is there anyway to rename home screen folders? |
| 20:15.25 | Disconnect | i wonder how much farther ahead android would be if they didn't spend man-years reinventing the wheel all over the place and accepted things like busybox. |
| 20:15.30 | blau-MikeDG | found it |
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| 20:17.05 | RyeBrye | marix - my sister is in charge of the UKTOTW 'column' on my blog - she got lazy a while ago (as did I) - but I know she has a bit of a backlog of some even more hideous things |
| 20:17.27 | vol | oh this is fucking delightful. |
| 20:17.34 | vol | I can't use my sdcard on the emulator, AND the gps |
| 20:17.44 | vol | no, it's one or the other |
| 20:17.45 | andyross | Nah, the scriptable tools on the box aren't used so much that they represent significant effort. If you want to ding them for NIHism, bionic should be your target. It's nice and small, but not *that* much nicer or smaller than uclibc. And a C library isn't something you just bang out for the hell of it. They even rewrite ld-linux.so. :) |
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| 20:18.13 | jbq | Disconnect: it's not wasted, that allowed us to avoid GPL code in user space. |
| 20:18.13 | vol | why won't the LocationManager effing work when I specify an sdcard?! |
| 20:18.21 | Sembiance | Did everyone see the new android phone from australia? looks nice!! |
| 20:18.23 | vol | how is that in any way related!?! |
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| 20:19.21 | Disconnect | jbq: bluez. |
| 20:19.32 | jbq | Disconnect: yeah, and it's a major pain. |
| 20:19.36 | bgupta | http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-10113308-1.html |
| 20:19.57 | jbq | I wish we could do without GPL and LGPL in user-space entirely. |
| 20:19.59 | andyross | Not sure why GPL userspace code would be a pain, given that you're locked into the license already by the kernel... |
| 20:20.23 | Disconnect | "a major pain" how? tivo can manage it (with way more closed apps than android, and a mix of gpl/lgpl/bsd userspace) |
| 20:20.30 | jbq | andyross: IANAL |
| 20:21.15 | Sembiance | I'm excited about android. if we can get some really killer awesome apps made for it, adoption in the world will go up a shitload |
| 20:21.15 | andyross | The point being I can understand why a proprietary vendor would decide against the GPL as a whole. But making a distinction between the kernel and userspace for where the GPL is appropriate seems specious. |
| 20:21.17 | d0netsFN | does that new android phone in aus have a compass? |
| 20:21.32 | andyross | that new android phone in aus? |
| 20:21.47 | d0netsFN | http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/new-google-android-phone-launches-490775 |
| 20:21.50 | d0netsFN | yea is that fake? |
| 20:22.01 | d0netsFN | i saw it had a blackberry logo on it |
| 20:22.12 | bgupta | The question of whether code that is linked to a gp libc, is open.. many people do ship now GPL code that uses glibc, but... It's never really been tested in court. (But if I recall it is the FSF's position that it's fine to link non GPL code against glibc.) |
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| 20:22.43 | Disconnect | bgupta: glibc has nothing to do with this. |
| 20:22.52 | bgupta | oh sorry |
| 20:22.56 | marix | ryebrye, i can't wait |
| 20:23.27 | Disconnect | d0netsFN: bb logo? |
| 20:24.12 | d0netsFN | on the key on the phone |
| 20:24.28 | d0netsFN | lemme find a bigger pic |
| 20:25.14 | d0netsFN | http://apcmag.com/breaking_first_australian_android_phone_revealed.htm |
| 20:25.20 | bgupta | Disconnect: Sorry assumed that the issues with license were because uclibc was GPL like glibc is GPL.. |
| 20:25.21 | d0netsFN | doesnt that look like a blackberry logo? |
| 20:26.12 | Disconnect | bgupta: um. glibc is lgpl. but thanks for playing. |
| 20:26.22 | andyross | uclibc is LGPL, which expressly allows linkage against unfree code. |
| 20:26.33 | Disconnect | (and so is uclibc) |
| 20:28.34 | unix_lappy | marix: cant wait for what? |
| 20:28.43 | bgupta | So why Android team rewrite uclibc then? It seems that jpq implied it was because of userspace licensing issues.. but clearly I completely misunderstood. |
| 20:28.59 | Disconnect | there is a -ton- of gpl stuff in the external projects. |
| 20:29.08 | marix | unix_lappy, the new ugly knitted thing of the week. |
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| 20:29.29 | unix_lappy | oh, thought it was something android related. |
| 20:29.36 | unix_lappy | like he hacked together a multitouch framework. |
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| 20:30.15 | marix | not yet... he's too busy building a geocaching app |
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| 20:30.52 | marix | cuz you know, i read his block so i know his life story |
| 20:30.57 | marix | blog even |
| 20:31.19 | bgupta | Is anyone working on a Hotspot app? IE: TUrn your phone into a protable hotspot?? |
| 20:31.36 | grey- | bgupta: I hope so. |
| 20:31.37 | bgupta | MM.. wifi hotspot that is. |
| 20:31.55 | grey- | bgupta: seeing how the bluetooth stack is currently super-crippled, wifi might be the way to go [and would be preferable anyway] |
| 20:31.57 | marix | bgupta, should be in the next version of the modified rc30 |
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| 20:32.13 | bgupta | awesome.. |
| 20:32.14 | marix | ask disconnect for more info |
| 20:32.33 | grey- | marix: speaking of modified rc30's... is there a good place to keep up to date on such things; trying to sift through xda-developers the first time was a pain. |
| 20:32.40 | grey- | webBB's = teh sux |
| 20:32.51 | grey- | at least give me an rss/atom feed. |
| 20:33.00 | marix | grey- you're at the best place to be :-/ |
| 20:33.14 | vol | oh, absolutely wonderful! So, I'm using the sdk emulator instead of the one built from source, and it won't load my nmea tracks via ddms either! |
| 20:33.16 | grey- | marix: hehe, I should start logging the channel then so I can grep through scrollback. |
| 20:33.17 | vol | this is superb! |
| 20:33.19 | vol | spectacular! |
| 20:33.23 | vol | thanks, guys! |
| 20:33.33 | vol | vents murderous rage |
| 20:33.34 | marix | grey- logs already exist |
| 20:33.42 | grey- | marix: ah that saves me time. |
| 20:33.48 | vol | has anyone else had location manager related issues like this? |
| 20:33.50 | bgupta | diconnect Do you have a roadmap for modded firmware features you are working on? Maybe an issue tracker? |
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| 20:34.21 | marix | cant remember where they are at though. |
| 20:35.00 | Disconnect | woohoo, gerrit is still a fucked up POS. (lemme guess. it was tested by the same group that tested the email app?) 'reply' is broken. not just "it doesn't work" but "it causes a 500 which someone in a WEB SERVICES COMPANY like google should be getting paged for.." |
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| 20:36.07 | romainguy | Disconnect: file bugs instead of swearing |
| 20:36.10 | marix | infobot disconnect is alo emo |
| 20:36.11 | infobot | ...but disconnect is already something else... |
| 20:36.17 | marix | infobot disconnect is also emo |
| 20:36.18 | infobot | okay, marix |
| 20:36.30 | jbq | Disconnect: that's not an issue of testing it (we know it's broken), it's an issue of the issue being important enough to be worth fixing. |
| 20:37.03 | RyeBrye | I was getting an error just trying to report a bug in gerrit from the browser on the G1 |
| 20:37.22 | Disconnect | ...how hard would it be to remove the link? although i realize submissions from the outside aren't that important (it throws them away, they are lost, unrecoverable, etc..) it still seems excessive.. |
| 20:37.26 | RyeBrye | or maybe it was on google code that I was trying to report the bug |
| 20:37.37 | jbq | Disconnect: feel free to remove it yourself if it bothers you so much! |
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| 20:38.01 | pohamir | lol infernix sparkle, okay i closed out my dsl and i am now on my g1 |
| 20:38.15 | pohamir | but i am ssh with irssi, for some reason the ip forwarding isn't working |
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| 20:38.25 | Disconnect | jbq: sure. where is the source repo and what are my checkin credentials? |
| 20:38.25 | pohamir | could possible be my macbook config |
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| 20:38.33 | pohamir | i have set up adhoc on the g1 :> |
| 20:38.57 | jbq | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=tools/gerrit.git;a=summary |
| 20:39.47 | joeo | Disconnect: repo init -u git://android.kernel.org/tools/manifest.git will get you the gerrit code |
| 20:39.58 | joeo | you also need the app engine sdk from code.google.com/appengine |
| 20:41.00 | joeo | gerrit/test-utils.sh has some helper shell functions that get the environment running locally |
| 20:41.02 | Disconnect | downloading now. |
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| 20:42.26 | joeo | oh, sorry, I mean android.git.kernel.org, not android.kernel.org |
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| 20:43.27 | luok | doh! screen turn off during call and i try to turn it back on with call end button |
| 20:43.30 | luok | stupid me |
| 20:44.43 | bgupta | Wondering how hard it would be to get android running on a Treo 800w? (Assuming the Android CDMA stack is baked) |
| 20:44.58 | Disconnect | http://review.source.android.com/5271 ok my oneline patch (slightly more) is submitted. |
| 20:45.23 | marix | Anyone noticed how the g1 screen gets all prismatic in direct sunlight but black text is still readable? thats gr8 |
| 20:46.09 | marix | infobot disconnect is also a real gogetter! |
| 20:46.10 | infobot | marix: okay |
| 20:46.26 | luok | prismatic? |
| 20:46.45 | Disconnect | marix: stop screwing with the bot. or at least, feel free to abuse your own entries instead of mine. |
| 20:48.59 | RyeBrye | infobot what is marid |
| 20:48.59 | infobot | RyeBrye: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:49.01 | RyeBrye | infobot what is marix |
| 20:49.02 | infobot | RyeBrye: what are you talking about? |
| 20:49.06 | RyeBrye | infobot who is marix |
| 20:49.07 | infobot | RyeBrye: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:49.19 | marix | im nobody :( |
| 20:49.26 | RyeBrye | infobot marix is nobody :( |
| 20:49.26 | infobot | okay, RyeBrye |
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| 20:51.48 | bgupta | Disconnect: ANy thought to a package manager in a future firmware update? |
| 20:52.06 | Disconnect | why ask me? |
| 20:52.57 | RyeBrye | bgupta - if anyone, Saurik woudl be the one to ask about that - he's the one who built Cydia for the iPhone afterall |
| 20:54.39 | Disconnect | fast approval of my patch. if only they'd fix android that fast :) |
| 20:54.43 | bgupta | Disconnect: marix said you were working on the next firmware.. Or at least that is how I read what he said: "bgupta, should be in the next version of the modified rc30" " ask disconnect for more info" |
| 20:55.02 | Disconnect | ..and what have we learned about marix today? |
| 20:55.06 | bgupta | (We were talking about wifomobile hotspot. |
| 20:55.21 | bgupta | ah |
| 20:55.57 | RyeBrye | Disconnect did the bluetooth PAN tethering stuff |
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| 20:59.31 | bgupta | http://www.gotontheinter.net/ Found it thanks.. |
| 20:59.35 | marix | lies, all lies! |
| 20:59.47 | pohamir | herm, i was right, mac client was wrong |
| 21:02.01 | bgupta | I now understand what marix was saying. that the buetooth tethering would be in JF's next RC30 patched firmware.. (Reading disconnect's blog is useful) |
| 21:03.11 | marix | sorry, should have specified a bit more. |
| 21:03.50 | bgupta | Now the question is does JF have a blog, or roadmap for what is going in his future firmware releases. |
| 21:04.58 | bgupta | wondering if porting this interests anyone: http://www.handhelds.org/moin/moin.cgi/Ipkg |
| 21:05.15 | bradleyy_ | booya |
| 21:05.43 | marix | i still really hate sap, after 3 years, its still total shit |
| 21:05.51 | Disconnect | ipkg is a poc. the dpkg implementation in busybox is much better and just as small |
| 21:06.04 | bradleyy_ | if only I had a cracked rc30 rather than a stock one |
| 21:06.55 | bgupta | wow... busybox has gotten alot more featureful since I last looked.. |
| 21:07.35 | bgupta | or has that been in all the time? |
| 21:08.11 | bgupta | looks ike it was implementedback in 2001 |
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| 21:09.49 | Disconnect | hahaha. google marked their own google earth announcement as spam |
| 21:10.12 | vol | haha |
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| 21:10.22 | marix | nice. |
| 21:10.25 | morrildl | heh, oops |
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| 21:10.46 | morrildl | I'm thinking that either the Gmail team, or the Earth team, ought to learn something from that :) |
| 21:12.20 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: you honsetly find your self need to a shell on the G1? |
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| 21:12.31 | unix_lappy | (not for development, I mean casual use) |
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| 21:13.27 | Bally3 | hello |
| 21:13.31 | RyeBrye | I like to su / reboot my phone frm the shell - I don't like holding the three reset buttons |
| 21:13.43 | Disconnect | oh. -and- phishing. there's like 20 clicks needed to get the links to work. |
| 21:13.47 | anno^da_ | I got a question or perhaps feature request. Why isn't there a notification with the LED when you miss a call. (I can see notifications for emails and sms but no calls) |
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| 21:14.41 | anno^da_ | (I know that it is pretty easy to implement such a notification. I was just wondering that this is missing at the moment. ) |
| 21:15.21 | unix_lappy | RyeBrye: heh, yea, but that requires root. |
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| 21:18.52 | luok | is there a shortcut to reset using buttons? |
| 21:19.08 | RyeBrye | menu + call + power |
| 21:19.15 | RyeBrye | hold it down for a while |
| 21:19.21 | luok | cool thx |
| 21:19.26 | RyeBrye | or tap it twice quickly |
| 21:19.48 | RyeBrye | but I've not had that work - so I think holding it down for a second works better |
| 21:20.12 | luok | also is there any sort of guide on moving data to another phone |
| 21:20.17 | luok | thinking about swapping bronze for black |
| 21:20.37 | luok | i guess i'll just lose some minor stuff like call history |
| 21:20.57 | marix | yea, most everything else in on googles servers already |
| 21:22.34 | andyross | If your phone is rooted, you should be able to clone the /data partition and keep everything. |
| 21:22.53 | andyross | I guess there's some possibility that something might break due to a change of IMEI, I guess... |
| 21:23.24 | luok | not rooted |
| 21:23.28 | luok | so its mooted |
| 21:23.31 | luok | (sorry that was terrible) |
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| 21:24.49 | unix_lappy | RyeBrye: you could use anycut iirc. |
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| 21:25.10 | unix_lappy | nvm. |
| 21:26.32 | Phlogi | is there a vpn client for the g1? |
| 21:26.37 | Phlogi | I mean for android |
| 21:27.21 | Disconnect | marix: um. "most everything else" isn't.. the only stuff google saves: gmail. contacts. calendar. the stuff it doesn't, before you install apps even: bookmarks, sms's (sent, received). mms's (same). browser history. preferences (all of them). email (non-gmail). pop mail (oops, thats just GONE, at least imap can be serverside). |
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| 21:27.49 | blau-MikeDG | anyone have an idea about the best way to check contacts for a phone number? |
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| 21:30.45 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: that leaves a niche for you to fill. a proper backup / export tool. |
| 21:30.46 | luok | Disconnect: hm luckily i've only had it about a week..but this does make me wonder about long term strategy |
| 21:30.48 | mreimer | are prelink warnings anything to be concerned about? |
| 21:31.21 | fadden | mreimer: what's the warning? |
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| 21:31.45 | danno | does anyone know of an app that provides access to various tcp tools, like ping, traceroute, nslookup etc I have the terminal app installed, but only ping works, unfortunatley I already have rc30 so I can't even gain root access |
| 21:31.46 | mreimer | fadden: http://pastebin.com/m789b50fd |
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| 21:32.28 | Disconnect | unix_lappy: ok. lemme just read /data/data/com.android.browser/..oops. ok.. well. backtrack. /data/data/com.fsck.k-9/....oops. hmm. well... i could export all the stuff google already backs up. or at least some of it. maybe.. |
| 21:32.36 | fadden | I believe the prelinker does tend to screw up the debug info. |
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| 21:32.52 | fadden | I don't think it'll affect the ability of the lib to execute. |
| 21:33.14 | mreimer | fadden: ok, thanks |
| 21:33.53 | mreimer | fadden: currently in our debugging we're seeing ZipRO's inflateBuffer() get a bunch of zeroes for input, which it pukes on |
| 21:34.41 | fadden | mreimer: that's... weird |
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| 21:34.57 | mreimer | indeed |
| 21:34.57 | fadden | ZipRO does use mmap() exclusively |
| 21:36.55 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: access to the data google backs up and owning it are two different things. |
| 21:37.12 | unix_lappy | owning it and being able to use it* |
| 21:37.36 | luok | if its not readable how do you back it up? |
| 21:37.55 | Disconnect | luok: ...right. now you're getting it. |
| 21:38.57 | luok | so there isn't a content provider or whatever for the bookmarks and stuff? |
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| 21:39.07 | jasta | fadden: why do you guys use mmap for that? can't you decompress a zip file stream? |
| 21:39.16 | pohamir | yeah, it was the mac |
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| 21:40.26 | fadden | mreimer: might want to turn "debugvm" on |
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| 21:40.49 | mreimer | fadden: is that a property? |
| 21:40.58 | Phlogi | how can I delete an event from calender app? |
| 21:41.06 | pohamir | infernix sparkle now what? |
| 21:41.09 | romainguy | try to long press it |
| 21:41.31 | pohamir | Phlogi: touch and hold it |
| 21:41.35 | fadden | jasta: ZipFileRO mmaps the source zip and allocates about 8 bytes per entry. The idea is to minimize the heap required to access a zip file. |
| 21:41.37 | pohamir | romainguy: sorry :\ |
| 21:41.52 | romainguy | :) |
| 21:41.52 | Phlogi | pohamir: hmm and then? |
| 21:42.03 | pohamir | click delete |
| 21:42.09 | fadden | It's only for fully-formed zip files sitting on disk, e.g. everything coming out of an APK. |
| 21:42.41 | Phlogi | pohamir: no menu is showing up... |
| 21:42.55 | SanMehat | ok who needs mmap() help? |
| 21:43.26 | fadden | mreimer: SanMehat knows much more about this stuff than I |
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| 21:44.54 | SanMehat | mreimer: setup a test where 2 processess mmap() the same file, and synchronize writing different poison patterns to them (with socket IPC or something). |
| 21:45.06 | SanMehat | mreimer: then verify the patterns get seen from the other process |
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| 21:45.39 | SanMehat | mreimer: you may even want to do it with 3 processes... this will help rule out cache-aliasing issues in your kernel |
| 21:45.51 | SanMehat | mreimer: (i'm not familiar with the chipset you're using, so i can't really be much more help without more information) |
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| 21:49.25 | heat | ^5s rebecca |
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| 21:50.42 | Disconnect | all bitching aside, google might want to look to some of the older CRL (compaq research lab / handhelds.org) guys for tips on integrating internal and external devs. (was just discussing it in another channel) their linux on ipaq team "way back when" was excellent at that and in large part laid the groundwork for all the embedded linux that has come since (including android :) ..) |
| 21:50.47 | jasta | sup heat |
| 21:50.58 | heat | sup jasta |
| 21:51.35 | mreimer | SanMehat: thanks. we're running on pxa320 |
| 21:53.43 | mreimer | fadden: Is binder involved in this process of reading in assets from .apk? |
| 21:54.01 | joeo | Disconnect: Not to make exuses... but the big reason is that we have a big pile of unreleased code internally, and we have update to ship based on that. We're getting that out into the open too, but it's just not done yet. |
| 21:54.20 | blau-MikeDG | disc: i got a response from Kogan |
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| 21:54.33 | blau-MikeDG | Both models are unlocked and should work on any network that supports |
| 21:54.34 | blau-MikeDG | the following bandwidths: |
| 21:54.34 | blau-MikeDG | UMTS/HSDPA (850, 1900, 2100 MHz) |
| 21:54.34 | blau-MikeDG | GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz) |
| 21:54.36 | joeo | but the plan is for most googlers to be just working in the open source tree |
| 21:55.10 | blau-MikeDG | joeo: you should get some more people to be googlers |
| 21:55.20 | joeo | heh |
| 21:55.51 | blau-MikeDG | where does most of the android stuff happen? new york? |
| 21:55.53 | Disconnect | joeo: yah i just mean in general. they had a reasonable oversight that mostly just accounted for serverside resources (including 2 strongarm dev clusters - ipaqs and skiffs) and everything else was community driven. (distributions, development, most policing..) |
| 21:56.16 | Disconnect | blau-MikeDG: i saw that in one of the articles that was posted. but i don't remember what usa tmob freqs are :/ |
| 21:56.32 | joeo | It's mostly in Mountain View |
| 21:56.34 | sparkle | 1700/2100 |
| 21:56.49 | joeo | with a handful in Cambridge and Seattle, and a few others elsewhere |
| 21:57.08 | Disconnect | its a little strange that nobody here has one. and i agree with whomever was saying it looks like a bb logo on that button.. |
| 21:57.16 | blau-MikeDG | The U.S. T-Mobile network predominately uses the GSM/GPRS 1900 MHz frequency-band, making it the largest 1900 MHz network in the United States. Service is available in 98 of the 100 largest markets and 268 million potential customers (POPS). |
| 21:57.28 | joeo | Disconnect: that's good advice. I'll do a little googling for them. |
| 21:57.30 | Disconnect | right thats gsm |
| 21:57.51 | fadden | mreimer: binder is the IPC mechanism. I don't think it's involved with reading assets from APKs, but I'm not well versed with the higher-level code. |
| 21:58.02 | mreimer | ok |
| 21:58.11 | Disconnect | joeo: you'll find a lot of free software users/devs also. george france, carl worth, etc.. |
| 21:58.28 | mreimer | Keith Packard |
| 21:59.22 | blau-MikeDG | i want to own ever android phone |
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| 22:00.23 | marix | did htc do any real development for the g1 or was it all google? |
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| 22:01.13 | jbq | A lot of companies were involved, not just Google and HTC (and, yes, HTC did a lot of work). |
| 22:01.22 | khert | they probably did all the drivers |
| 22:01.37 | luok | does google provide any sort of online storage if an app wants to store its data on the internet? |
| 22:03.00 | jlapenna | luok: google app engine has a whole lot of stuff going on in server side stuff. |
| 22:03.51 | blau-MikeDG | i think this is the closest, http://www.google.com/support/accounts/bin/answer.py?hl=en&answer=65431 |
| 22:04.11 | blau-MikeDG | but doubt its what u looking for |
| 22:04.50 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: hopefully android doesnt go the way of CRL. |
| 22:04.58 | unix_lappy | similar climate for failure though :-( |
| 22:05.15 | blau-MikeDG | whats CRL |
| 22:05.27 | bradleyy_ | Certificate Revocation Lists |
| 22:05.40 | bradleyy_ | What's TLA? |
| 22:06.34 | luok | jlapenna: hm but do they make any claims as far as backup |
| 22:06.41 | luok | or reliability |
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| 22:08.09 | luok | ah maybe once there are paid account |
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| 22:11.56 | eldenz | is there anything that should stop me from storing all my (network)game state information in a service? |
| 22:12.53 | eldenz | feels like a hack around the lifecycle model of an activity though... :/ but i somehow don't see anything different (memorywise) if i push things around in Bundles |
| 22:13.02 | bgupta | Hey is there a public roadmap for Android dev? I really want better Google Docs support? IE: RW access, and preferably full offline access to documents. (Using gears) |
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| 22:13.49 | eldenz | bgupta, isn't everything covered in the offline doc? |
| 22:14.00 | anno^da_ | http://source.android.com/roadmap @ bgupta |
| 22:14.27 | bgupta | Yeah, I started typing the other stuff before adding that as a holy grail. |
| 22:14.39 | jbq | bgupta: that's more a question about Google-specific apps than about the core Android itself, and I'm not aware of public roadmaps for Google's apps. |
| 22:14.41 | bgupta | anno_da: thx |
| 22:15.09 | anno^da_ | np |
| 22:16.41 | bgupta | jpq: Makes sense... Well I'm sure Google knows people want offlie doc editing. I'm kinda curious if google is gonna end up doing it, or leave that as a 3rd party niche to fill in... I guess only time will tell. |
| 22:17.13 | anno^da_ | I'm looking forward to the onscreen keyboard. Having to switch to landscape mode in order to search for a special name in the contacts is annoying me every day. (not very efficient since you just type 2 or 3 charcters) |
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| 22:19.03 | snlemons | so, I've looked through forum posts and tried several different things, but I can't seem to get my G1 to connect to my wireless router. is this an alright place to ask about that or is there a better channel? |
| 22:20.13 | snlemons | fyi, it's a wireless G router with SSID broadcasting and uses WPA2 personal. the device sees it with great signal, lets me enter the key, and when I tell it to connect it suddenly says it's out of range. |
| 22:20.23 | Disconnect | wpa2 is broken |
| 22:20.35 | snlemons | in general or for the G1? |
| 22:20.49 | snlemons | :) |
| 22:21.57 | michaelnovakjr | i noticed that last night |
| 22:21.58 | snlemons | Disconnect: is there anything I can do to fix it without switching all my other devices to use another protocol? I've got several machines that use WPA2 to connect to that router currently. |
| 22:22.02 | michaelnovakjr | but it worked for me |
| 22:22.23 | anno^da_ | Disconnect: I'm working with WPA2 here all day. |
| 22:22.28 | Disconnect | use wpa1 |
| 22:22.31 | Disconnect | anno^da_: lucky you. |
| 22:22.33 | anno^da_ | (UK RC8) |
| 22:22.34 | michaelnovakjr | snlemons: i had the same thing happen to me, it said it was out of range but then connected a few seconds later |
| 22:22.38 | snlemons | michaelnovakjr: do you use AES, TKIP, or both? |
| 22:22.45 | michaelnovakjr | its wpa2 |
| 22:22.46 | streeter | snlemons: I had that problem with an old d-link wireless router. I have a new linksys router and it works fine |
| 22:22.51 | michaelnovakjr | i think aes |
| 22:22.59 | anno^da_ | Disconnect: perhaps it has to do something with the different access points from different vendors. |
| 22:23.15 | anno^da_ | I'm using WPA2 with AES |
| 22:23.18 | snlemons | streeter: mine's a Linksys wrt54g |
| 22:23.22 | anno^da_ | and a Netgear AP |
| 22:23.30 | michaelnovakjr | yea mine's aes and it eventually connected |
| 22:23.31 | Disconnect | most APs do wpa1/wpa2 together, its rare that you can limit to just wpa2 (wiht stock firmware). but anyway i gotta bail, bbl |
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| 22:23.42 | snlemons | mine's AES and TKIP, maybe I should try with just AES |
| 22:24.27 | snlemons | I don't know if it's limited to 1 or 2. I'm using dd-wrt, and all it does is let me select 1 or 2. not sure if 2 means "1 and 2" |
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| 22:26.55 | anno^da_ | What AP are you using Disconnect ? |
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| 22:28.25 | snlemons | for those who care, it appears that changing it from TKIP+AES to just AES fixed it. thanks a ton, folks. |
| 22:29.05 | anno^da_ | nice to hear :-) |
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| 22:40.03 | ers | ops |
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| 22:43.37 | SanMehat | mreimer: back. |
| 22:44.54 | anno^da_ | What is the easiest way to implement an app waiting for missed calls and setting a LED notification. Is it the right way to start a service and register in this service a BroadcastReceiver waiting for the missed call? Or is there an easier way? |
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| 22:52.11 | offby1 | probably the easiest way is to not write the app at all, and let the phone handle it :) |
| 22:53.58 | anno^da_ | offby1: well you dont get any LED notification from the system when you missed a call ;) |
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| 22:56.33 | Decavolt | not sure if it only happens when there's a voicemail waiting, but I get LED's on misses calls. Seems like it's working to me. |
| 22:57.13 | anno^da_ | Yeah it you got a voicemail you get the notification. |
| 22:57.16 | anno^da_ | if |
| 22:57.26 | Decavolt | but none at all with a missed call? |
| 22:57.29 | anno^da_ | But if you "just" missed a call there is nothing. |
| 22:57.38 | anno^da_ | Exactly. |
| 22:58.24 | Decavolt | I don't think that's going to be easy at all. You'd have to access the dialer, if not build a new one. |
| 22:59.58 | anno^da_ | So the system is not sending a broadcast for incoming / missed calls? |
| 23:00.20 | anno^da_ | Because if the system would send such a broadcast it would not be that difficult. |
| 23:01.44 | Decavolt | not sure on that one |
| 23:02.08 | luok | would be nice to have access to all notifications really |
| 23:02.20 | anno^da_ | There would be two things we need to know. Is there a broadcast sent while having a missed call. And second is there a possibility to check if there are any missed calls. (to stop the notify) |
| 23:03.30 | anno^da_ | I'm checking this now since I want that notification :D |
| 23:03.48 | luok | lemme know what you find |
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| 23:05.39 | unix_lappy | is wondering how many of the non-developers on the Android team still carry iPhones or Blackberry's ;-P |
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| 23:17.17 | bbs | hello |
| 23:17.19 | bbs | anyone alive |
| 23:17.38 | jbq | ... |
| 23:17.46 | offby1 | naw |
| 23:17.47 | offby1 | nobody here but us zombie processes. |
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| 23:36.37 | anno^da_ | Is there an overview available which broadcasts are sent by the system? |
| 23:38.20 | joeo | most of them are in the docs for android.content.Intent |
| 23:38.29 | zhobbs | is that kogan device touchscreen? |
| 23:42.14 | andyross | Product page says so: http://www.kogan.com.au/shop/android-powered-kogan-agora-3G-mobile-phone/ |
| 23:42.37 | andyross | Only 320x240 though, which is odd. It's priced like a G1. |
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| 23:42.52 | zhobbs | priced like a G1, but no contract required |
| 23:43.14 | andyross | Ah, OK. I'd just assumed. |
| 23:43.23 | hubar | G1 |
| 23:43.34 | hubar | 's battery is a pain to seperate. |
| 23:43.53 | andyross | Not the worst of its physical flaws, but yeah. |
| 23:44.00 | hubar | I had to bring it to the store and let their ppl do it. |
| 23:45.09 | andyross | Uh... not *that* bad on mine. Nothing a little fingernail work couldn't solve.. |
| 23:45.09 | hubar | And the (is that power) button's cap is linked with the unit with a plastic??? |
| 23:45.09 | andyross | You mean the USB port cover? |
| 23:45.19 | anno^da_ | thank you joeo |
| 23:45.25 | hubar | I amnot sure, it si on the bottomof the unit. |
| 23:45.40 | Decavolt | that's power/data port |
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| 23:46.05 | zhobbs | seems like with a 320x240 screen, touchscreen or not, it'd be better to just make everything small and use the d-pad/select for most navigation |
| 23:46.12 | zhobbs | and rely on that instead of the touchscreen |
| 23:46.18 | hubar | whatever that is, it is aweful design. :( |
| 23:46.22 | Decavolt | and the cover has to be attached, or you'll lose it. The only other option is not to have a cover at all, but then the port could get all full of gunk and link and who knows what else. |
| 23:46.34 | Decavolt | so tear it off :) |
| 23:46.46 | hubar | How does iphone do it? |
| 23:46.54 | zhobbs | my old phone had a usb charger with no cover... |
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| 23:47.02 | andyross | As a point of reference: I carried a A780 in my pocket for three years with no USB port cover, plugged it in every day, and never had trouble. |
| 23:47.02 | luok | zhobbs: treo650 worked great at roughly that res but i had to use corner of thumb |
| 23:47.06 | luok | spose it just requires pincers |
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| 23:48.33 | Decavolt | iPhone's is always open, uncovered |
| 23:48.34 | Decavolt | http://the-gadgeteer.com//assets/apple-iphone-8.jpg |
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| 23:50.09 | luok | other htc's are also uncovered right? |
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| 23:51.42 | Decavolt | some, but I don't know about all |
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| 23:53.30 | d0nkey | first of all.. |
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| 23:53.35 | d0nkey | hello android |
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| 23:53.57 | Decavolt | heya |
| 23:54.22 | d0nkey | second.. im using the g1 irc program right now. does anyone know how to disable join/leave messages? |
| 23:54.48 | offby1 | d0nkey: I don't think you can ... I asked the author and I think he said he's considering adding that as a feature |
| 23:55.12 | Decavolt | I think it's be nice to be able to shake the phone for clearing the screen. |
| 23:55.14 | d0nkey | that would be nice. sweet app though |
| 23:55.27 | Decavolt | like an etch-a-sketch |
| 23:55.48 | d0nkey | i dont want the chat messages cleared.. just join/leave messages |
| 23:56.28 | Decavolt | *nod* just made me think of shaking the screen |
| 23:56.32 | *** join/#android KNY- (n=KNY@leonidas.kickersny.com) |
| 23:56.52 | meyou | he needs to make it process mIRC color codes |
| 23:57.04 | meyou | so i can join #trivia on efnet on my ride home from work |
| 23:59.08 | *** join/#android porter1 (n=cameron@156.26.172.161) |
