| 00:00.10 | DarkriftX | goes out to eat (with his new little buddy of course), AFK |
| 00:00.38 | Damm | well i can't rag on you about that anymore then I guess :( |
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| 01:05.51 | IznastY | Damm: didnt realize public away was on |
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| 01:54.08 | mib_thctsw | anyone heard the status of irc? |
| 01:54.19 | mib_thctsw | mibbit is lacking |
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| 01:55.08 | TiberiumX | Set up a server, ssh into it with connectbot, and use a console IRC client? I don't think anybody has an Android one out yet. |
| 01:55.20 | ttuttle | does that. |
| 01:55.39 | droidrift | its being worked on |
| 01:55.54 | droidrift | just wondering about status |
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| 02:12.30 | d03boy | irc client is in the works |
| 02:12.34 | d03boy | status is basically non-existent |
| 02:12.38 | d03boy | there are a lot of issues to work out |
| 02:12.45 | d03boy | because of the connection loss issues |
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| 02:22.20 | VersedG1 | byper |
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| 02:47.49 | DarkriftG1 | hrmmmmm |
| 02:48.30 | DarkriftG1 | i love the browser on this thing |
| 02:49.13 | VersedG1 | chrome right |
| 02:49.25 | DarkriftG1 | almost |
| 02:49.35 | VersedG1 | k |
| 02:50.55 | VersedG1 | but i agree its nice |
| 02:51.29 | DarkriftG1 | it seems better than on the emu |
| 02:52.03 | VersedG1 | they did do their homework |
| 02:52.59 | DarkriftG1 | i posted to my forum and it was not bad |
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| 02:54.14 | VersedG1 | on@this irc client edge seems far more stable |
| 02:54.35 | offby1 | which client? |
| 02:55.01 | DarkriftG1 | im on mibbit |
| 02:55.07 | VersedG1 | gric or whatevere its called |
| 02:55.08 | d03boy | thats because they use a server-side connection |
| 02:55.18 | d03boy | oh, mibbit |
| 02:55.31 | VersedG1 | im not on mibbit |
| 02:55.45 | d03boy | what is gric |
| 02:55.49 | VersedG1 | irc ap |
| 02:56.31 | VersedG1 | nyt on efnet #android wrote it. |
| 02:56.52 | VersedG1 | its beta so milage may vaty |
| 02:57.59 | d03boy | is there a website for it |
| 02:59.07 | offby1 | ircbeta.apk is what I used. Pretty nice. |
| 02:59.26 | VersedG1 | that is it |
| 02:59.51 | VersedG1 | he calls it girc or something like that now |
| 03:00.35 | offby1 | ah. |
| 03:01.22 | offby1 | I assume mibbit is klunkier than something written specifically for the Android ... but then I haven't actually tried it, so I'm talking outta my hat. |
| 03:01.39 | d03boy | http://countercultured.net/irc/irc.png |
| 03:01.49 | offby1 | yep, that's girc |
| 03:01.49 | d03boy | lol wow |
| 03:01.56 | d03boy | he should probably hide his directories better |
| 03:02.00 | offby1 | I wrote to the author with some suggestions, and he was very reponsive |
| 03:02.25 | VersedG1 | he a good guy |
| 03:02.34 | offby1 | sounded like it from the email. |
| 03:03.03 | VersedG1 | well visit us there some time |
| 03:03.45 | unix_infidel | hmm, does the client parse for links and then launch BRowser? |
| 03:04.37 | VersedG1 | yes |
| 03:06.32 | d03boy | can you disassemble an apk somehow? |
| 03:07.12 | VersedG1 | that i have no idea |
| 03:07.19 | Disconnect | its a zip afair |
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| 03:08.45 | orci | hi all, by any chance do you know if T-mobile will be sending miniusb to 3.5 adapters to those who bought their telephones before HTC starting shipping phones with them? |
| 03:09.01 | Disconnect | why don't you ask them? |
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| 03:10.33 | Leeds | but the answer is very likely no, I'd guess |
| 03:11.12 | VersedG1 | exactku |
| 03:11.18 | VersedG1 | ly |
| 03:11.18 | Disconnect | does anyone know if apple will refund the price of osx on this laptop? i figured you all would know, cuz there is an osx port of the sdk. |
| 03:12.27 | Leeds | Disconnect: not fair... you know it isn't true, I know it isn't true, but in public right now, G1=Android |
| 03:12.33 | VersedG1 | luckly mine came with it but have the one that came with my tilt |
| 03:12.46 | Leeds | I bought one... roll on a2dp! |
| 03:12.47 | Disconnect | Leeds: so? that wasn't even a g1 question. that was a tmobile question. |
| 03:12.57 | Leeds | it was an implied g1 question |
| 03:14.00 | Disconnect | er, no. not really. "does the g1 come with an adapter" is a g1 question. "will the company give me something" is a question for the company. |
| 03:14.37 | d03boy | let's keep arguing over this because it's really useful. |
| 03:14.44 | bert0 | I just got a 3 way adapter today |
| 03:14.50 | d03boy | the answer to the question is: Ask tmobile |
| 03:14.53 | d03boy | next! |
| 03:14.59 | bert0 | It's a lot smaller than I thought it would be |
| 03:15.11 | Disconnect | bert0: try it out, let me know how it works. mine makes the media player all epileptic and crazy. (works mostly fine in youtube app) |
| 03:16.20 | orci | Leeds, do you know where i can buy those adapters? the same that they ship with it? |
| 03:16.47 | bert0 | I was using mine all day today |
| 03:16.50 | Leeds | orci: absolutely no idea - I bought a third-party one from a small stall in the Mongkok Computer Centre in Hong Kong :-) |
| 03:16.57 | bert0 | works great |
| 03:17.18 | Disconnect | damn. i was using charger plus mini-8 and it was going insane. |
| 03:17.22 | Disconnect | no charger connection, it was ok. |
| 03:18.03 | orci | Leeds, all right, thanks |
| 03:18.08 | Disconnect | (tried the bb charger, a bog-standard usb charger and a usb/fw charger. both of the latter are 'dumb' chargers, no talkback just 5v-dc .. the bb one does the handshake for fast charge. but they all behaved the same :( ..) |
| 03:18.25 | bert0 | charger + 1/8 inhere |
| 03:19.08 | bert0 | and it beats the heck out of waiting for a2dp :) |
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| 03:21.00 | Leeds | I've been using a2dp for *years* on PalmOS (where it was a third-party shareware driver) and UIQ3... I can live with a cable in the short-ish term, but it would be good to get rid of it |
| 03:22.01 | Disconnect | send me stereo headphones, i'll get the music player doing a2dp. |
| 03:22.24 | Leeds | really? I've got an old spare a2dp adapter here, I'll happily send it to you |
| 03:22.43 | unix_infidel | Leeds: how long does the bluetooth stereo headseat last (in hours)? |
| 03:22.48 | unix_infidel | headset* |
| 03:23.08 | Disconnect | bluez supports it, so goog won't take my patches (probably) but with root it should be possible. lemme look at how it handles feeding audio to the OS and I'll get back to you. |
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| 03:23.49 | Leeds | I don't really know, other than 'many' - tends to need a charge once/twice per week, but the one I use comes with USB and mains chargers (yay!) plus I've had a few of them so I've got loads of chargers - at home, at work, etc |
| 03:24.12 | Leeds | Disconnect: you're in the US? I'm quite serious, give me an address and I'll post it to you with a charging cable :-) |
| 03:24.25 | unix_infidel | hmm, i'd probably want one that takes AA batteries... |
| 03:24.29 | d03boy | in eclipse, is there a way to generate a /res/layout/whatever.xml file? |
| 03:24.37 | d03boy | or do I just make it manually |
| 03:24.42 | Disconnect | yah in basically washington dc. like i said, lemme look and see what it'll take and i'll get back to you if its something i can/will do :) |
| 03:24.42 | Leeds | AA would be huge |
| 03:24.48 | Leeds | okay |
| 03:25.00 | unix_infidel | erm AAA. |
| 03:25.07 | unix_infidel | one per side wouldnt be that bad. |
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| 03:25.32 | Leeds | ah, this isn't a *headset* - it's an adapter, a little clip-on thing which has a 3.5mm socket on it |
| 03:26.50 | unix_infidel | oh, you're doing extUSB->3.5mm stereo->bluetooth adapter->stereo bluetooth headphones? |
| 03:26.53 | Leeds | http://www.itechdynamic.com/en/products_spec.asp?cid=2&pid=02042 is the one I have spare - because I upgraded to an R35 |
| 03:27.33 | Leeds | no, at the moment I'm doing extUSB->3.5mm headphones... I could be doing extUSB->bluetooth dongle->bluetooth dongle->3.5mm headphones, but that would be silly |
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| 03:27.35 | Disconnect | unix_infidel: ermm... no. bluetooth a2dp to adapter to stereo wired headphones |
| 03:27.53 | Disconnect | hence the need for a2dp support :) |
| 03:28.05 | waldo_ | is the market down? |
| 03:28.11 | unix_infidel | Disconnect: agreed...it's a biggie since it doesnt come standard with 3.5MM jack. |
| 03:28.15 | Leeds | waldo_: about 50% from peak? |
| 03:28.24 | waldo_ | that's kinda funny actually |
| 03:28.33 | waldo_ | AND now it's working too |
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| 03:29.08 | Leeds | to be honest, even if it did mono sound->bluetooth... I listen to a lot of spoken word (podcasts, audio books/magazines) and you don't really need 'high quality' stereo for that |
| 03:29.21 | Disconnect | it doesn't even do that? wow thats teh fail |
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| 03:29.23 | Leeds | OBEX would be rather useful too ;-) |
| 03:29.41 | andyross | No doubt the existing bluez obex daemon would compile just fine, no? |
| 03:29.53 | bert0 | Leeds where do you find the time for audio books? |
| 03:29.55 | andyross | Maybe with some porting to bionic, I guess. |
| 03:29.59 | Disconnect | probably already built, it looks like the source build handles all of bluez |
| 03:30.01 | Leeds | probably, but you;d need to hook it in somewhere |
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| 03:30.21 | Leeds | bert0: to be honest, it's mainly listening to the Economist audio edition and podcasts on public transport |
| 03:30.40 | bert0 | I thought I was tho only one who listened to audio books any more hah |
| 03:30.40 | andyross | Hook it in for obex push, I guess. But file browsing and transfer would work. |
| 03:31.23 | Leeds | bert0: audible (as bought by Amazon) sell a lot of DRMed audio-books... no android support of course |
| 03:31.42 | Leeds | andyross: hook it in meaning there should really be a GUI as well :-) |
| 03:33.50 | andyross | Actually, for OBEX specifically the "gui" is really on the PC/client side for typical use cases. What configuration there is, is generally just authentication. And that's already handled by pairing. |
| 03:33.52 | Leeds | actually, to be honest... if people are going to work on a2dp support, I'd be willing to buy and post a couple of cheapo headsets/adapters for testing |
| 03:34.06 | DarkriftX | whats a good gps app to use for basic navigation? |
| 03:34.13 | Gary13579 | JesusFreke: you around? |
| 03:34.14 | Leeds | andyross: ah, I was thinking between devices |
| 03:34.20 | Leeds | DarkriftX: erm, google maps? |
| 03:34.40 | DarkriftX | it doesnt seem to do navigation for me |
| 03:34.54 | DarkriftX | it polls for my location every 2-3 minutes and seems to always be half a mile off |
| 03:35.00 | andyross | Right, that's "obex push", where you send a file directly. That needs to be hooked into the device software stack, so the right handler gets invoked (i.e. is it a contact, or a picture, etc...) |
| 03:35.01 | DarkriftX | even with gps enabled |
| 03:35.26 | Leeds | andyross: or a generic handler for 'please just put the object on my SD card, thanks' |
| 03:35.41 | bert0 | Googlemaps can tell what side of my house I am on |
| 03:35.50 | DarkriftX | really :s |
| 03:36.05 | bert0 | I live in a small house too |
| 03:36.51 | Gary13579 | JesusFreke: Ahh, well, read this when you get back. I was wondering if any of the updates you've done include recompiled code, or if it's all been simple modifications to file system etc. Wondering if it'd be possible to improve the SMS system to stop all the lag that happens when you have thousands of texts (maybe add a LIMIT 100 to the SQLite query) |
| 03:37.08 | bert0 | dark: faulty gps radio? |
| 03:38.04 | DarkriftX | ok, seems to be showing a decent location now |
| 03:38.21 | DarkriftX | wouldnt work in my car (with it held under the windshield) but it works inside my house :S |
| 03:38.55 | Leeds | even gives me directions with some street names in Chinese and English |
| 03:38.55 | DarkriftX | why do the zoom buttons in maps barely work |
| 03:39.05 | DarkriftX | everything else works, but the zoom buttons i have to tap like 15 times |
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| 03:45.04 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
| 03:46.02 | DarkriftX | wow |
| 03:46.10 | DarkriftX | i found one video player, and it says "no videos" |
| 03:46.21 | DarkriftX | wtf is with that? no menu? no option to browse? no instructions? |
| 03:46.29 | DarkriftX | why do ppl waste their time writing trash |
| 03:46.38 | Leeds | they've got to be in the right format - it's a pretty basic wrapper around the platform's video playing stuff |
| 03:47.06 | Leeds | it's better than nothing, which is what is including in the form of video players |
| 03:48.05 | DarkriftX | shit |
| 03:48.05 | DarkriftX | still no xvid? |
| 03:48.10 | DarkriftX | isnt that mp4? |
| 03:48.33 | sparkle | lol |
| 03:48.40 | sparkle | i got vlc playing |
| 03:48.44 | sparkle | oh god this is painful |
| 03:48.58 | DarkriftX | wow, vlc would be nice if it worked |
| 03:50.23 | Leeds | I think there is xvid - approximately, anyway - but no avi |
| 03:51.07 | Leeds | I found a page somewhere with a list of all the supported codecs and containers... but I haven't been able to find it again |
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| 03:52.04 | Disconnect | Gary13579: fwiw i think the sms app uses listviews, which can take a cursor and be smart. but its open source, you don't need jf's help to replace it. |
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| 03:54.55 | d03boy | anyone know why I'm getting a "no grammar constraitns" problem in eclipse? |
| 03:54.57 | d03boy | for main.xml |
| 03:55.07 | d03boy | i just have the <?xml version... line at the top |
| 03:55.33 | DavidFreeman | Hi. |
| 03:55.53 | d03boy | hi man that is free |
| 03:56.43 | DavidFreeman | Anybody got a link for Android-ports-to-other-HTC-devices? I'm just reviewing the puke from this Haret emulator thread at xda-developers and would like to quit scanning it. |
| 03:57.43 | DavidFreeman | I cracked the screen on my G1 and wouldn't mind just going back to the Kaiser device for now, since there seems to be no replacement screen hardware for the Dream. |
| 03:58.05 | Disconnect | buy the damage insurance, then send it in in 2 weeks |
| 03:58.06 | DavidFreeman | (and I use ATT anyway; sick of EDGE-only. |
| 03:58.06 | DavidFreeman | ) |
| 03:58.28 | unix_infidel | Disconnect: how much is the insurance? |
| 03:58.44 | Disconnect | dunno, usually somehting like $5 a month i think |
| 03:59.08 | DarkriftX | wow |
| 03:59.15 | Disconnect | maybe less |
| 03:59.17 | DarkriftX | connectbot if fucking awesome |
| 03:59.24 | Disconnect | yah |
| 03:59.26 | DarkriftX | it looks great |
| 03:59.29 | DarkriftX | and functions perfectly |
| 03:59.44 | DavidFreeman | I don't use T-Mobile, so no insurance. |
| 03:59.57 | DavidFreeman | No knowledge of ports to other HTC handsets? |
| 04:00.30 | TiberiumX | Yeah, I wasn't expecting a full SSH client so quickly. I assume it came from an already existing Java SSH implementation. Anyone know what that project is? |
| 04:00.49 | DarkriftX | connectbot was out before the g1 was :S |
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| 04:01.28 | Leeds | I wonder how hard it would be to adapt connectbot as a local terminal emulator - the putty question |
| 04:01.33 | TiberiumX | Yeah, I forget that Android was available for over a year before there was actual hardware. |
| 04:02.18 | DarkriftX | hrmmmmm |
| 04:02.30 | DarkriftX | probably not hard Leeds, good suggestions |
| 04:03.27 | TiberiumX | When the SDK documentation refers to waking the device up (from sleep), does that actually turn the screen on or anything or just prepare it to execute something? |
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| 04:05.52 | offby1 | hmm ... I downloaded an .apk file via the browser, but clicking on its name doesn't cause the app to be installed, or to run. I examined the file's contents on my laptop, and it seems (superficially, at least) to be a proper .apk. What might I be missing? |
| 04:06.39 | TiberiumX | I've had trouble installing things through the browser. Maybe try one of the apk installer apps available in android market? |
| 04:06.53 | offby1 | heh, that sounds like overkill, but if it works, it works. |
| 04:07.30 | TiberiumX | Then again, maybe my problem was with installing Opera Mini, which was built with an old SDK version until pretty recently. It's worth trying though. |
| 04:07.46 | Leeds | clicking on its name where? |
| 04:07.47 | jbq_ | The key is that the server has to report the proper MIME type. |
| 04:08.10 | offby1 | leeds: in the list of downloaded stuff within the browser |
| 04:08.12 | TiberiumX | Would it even download it without a proper MIME type? |
| 04:08.20 | Leeds | good, just checking :-) |
| 04:08.32 | Leeds | TiberiumX: the browser does seem rather reluctant to download stuff it doesn't understand |
| 04:08.39 | jbq_ | TiberiumX: it would download if the server returned the type of something else that's suported. |
| 04:08.41 | TiberiumX | Or, at least, not pop up a dialog saying " I don't know what to do with this" |
| 04:09.41 | jbq_ | Leeds: correct, the download manager doesn't download files to the SD card for which there is no registered handler. |
| 04:09.53 | TiberiumX | I'd sure like to be able to download any arbitrary file though. |
| 04:09.55 | Leeds | I wish it would |
| 04:10.07 | Leeds | it also seems to have some issues with redirects... |
| 04:11.01 | jbq_ | Leeds: indeed, redirects aren't handled in the 1.0 download manager (long story). That's fixed in a later release. |
| 04:11.06 | TiberiumX | I think that might be the apache HTTP client. I've noticed "ClientProtocolException" on files before, so I tried them on my desktop with wget, which would indicate that it was redirected. |
| 04:11.10 | offby1 | maybe the file is indeed malformed; apkInstaller doesn't seem to do anything with it either |
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| 04:11.44 | Leeds | jbq_: ah well, as long as it's a documented-and-fixed bug... the fix for which will make its way to me phone sooner or later, right? :-) |
| 04:12.08 | Leeds | er, my phone |
| 04:12.21 | jbq_ | Leeds: I don't know the specifics of getting code on phones, sorry :( |
| 04:12.57 | Leeds | jbq_: I understand "fixed" to mean "there's already a fix internally, but it hasn't been released yet" |
| 04:13.12 | andyross | Even released to the git tree would be worthwhile |
| 04:13.35 | jbq_ | andyross: working on it ;-) |
| 04:13.43 | Leeds | ETA is the end of the year, I believe... |
| 04:13.57 | d03boy | eclipse is whining about this code: http://pastebin.ca/1270825 (no grammar constraints: dts or schema) |
| 04:14.00 | Leeds | and if it doesn't get done, the droids all get coal in their stockings |
| 04:14.00 | d03boy | any ideas |
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| 04:15.49 | Chewy954 | yay |
| 04:15.54 | Chewy954 | now i have root with rc30 |
| 04:15.55 | Chewy954 | =] |
| 04:16.26 | elad | hrmm |
| 04:16.33 | elad | you rooted rc30 from tmo? |
| 04:16.37 | elad | or? |
| 04:16.56 | Chewy954 | no lol |
| 04:16.58 | TiberiumX | Fine then, why don't you rub it in some more. |
| 04:17.03 | elad | slaps Chewy954 around a bit with a large trout |
| 04:17.03 | Chewy954 | used the hacked fw from JesusFreke |
| 04:17.04 | Chewy954 | :P |
| 04:17.09 | Chewy954 | slaps elad |
| 04:17.12 | Chewy954 | stop assuming |
| 04:17.12 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 04:17.19 | elad | you got my hopes up |
| 04:17.22 | Chewy954 | TiberiumX: o.O? |
| 04:17.45 | TiberiumX | Upgraded to RC30 before I knew what I was missing out on. |
| 04:17.56 | Chewy954 | i dont even know what i can do now |
| 04:18.01 | Chewy954 | im looking through some forums |
| 04:18.01 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 04:18.06 | Chewy954 | i can tether but i have no need for that |
| 04:18.08 | TiberiumX | It sounds like you're about to get tethering. |
| 04:18.15 | Chewy954 | unless im on the road |
| 04:18.21 | Chewy954 | nah |
| 04:18.23 | Chewy954 | i have no need to |
| 04:18.29 | andyross | wishes there was some easy way of warning new users not to upgrade... |
| 04:18.56 | TiberiumX | Won't be long before they all ship with RC30 anyways. |
| 04:18.56 | Chewy954 | i looked into if there was root before I bought my g1 |
| 04:19.00 | Chewy954 | so i knew what to look for |
| 04:19.07 | Chewy954 | i was lucky walmart had em with rc28 :P |
| 04:19.08 | d03boy | I am trying to download an APK to my emulator but it says an SDCARD is required.... how can I test this? |
| 04:19.19 | andyross | Tethering works just fine, I was playing with the pand stuff just yesterday. Someone needs to write a configurator though. |
| 04:19.35 | DarkriftX | andyross: it wont be needed for much longer |
| 04:19.37 | TiberiumX | You can specify an sdcard when you start the emulator through a command line option. |
| 04:19.49 | DarkriftX | im guessing 2 weeks from now the root hack ive seen screenshots of will be released |
| 04:19.56 | TiberiumX | You can easily make one with mksdcard or something like that that comes with the emulator. |
| 04:20.02 | DarkriftX | havent asked on a timeframe lately |
| 04:20.11 | DarkriftX | the ppl working on it are hard to get in contact with on irc :S |
| 04:20.35 | jbq_ | d03boy: what TiberiumX said. You're only gonna be able to download it, but not to install it, unfortunately. |
| 04:20.42 | Chewy954 | what root hack DarkriftX? |
| 04:20.45 | andyross | DarkriftX: no doubt, I'm sure. Which will then be closed, and the circle of life will continue. Standard advice to new users must perpetually be "don't trust google's updates", which is really sad. |
| 04:21.08 | DarkriftX | andyross: this one will NOT be easy to close |
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| 04:22.13 | d03boy | oh.. |
| 04:22.21 | d03boy | so I cant install an apk to the emu? :( |
| 04:22.36 | TiberiumX | d03boy: use adb install <package> |
| 04:22.36 | Leeds | d03boy: adb can install an apk |
| 04:22.55 | jbq_ | d03boy: not by downloading it with the android browser. You need to install with adb install. |
| 04:22.56 | d03boy | hrm |
| 04:23.00 | d03boy | oh ok |
| 04:23.02 | d03boy | even better |
| 04:23.10 | Leeds | just "adb install foo.apk" |
| 04:23.25 | TiberiumX | Haha wouldn't be too useful if you couldn't actually run anything but the provided programs with it. |
| 04:23.28 | d03boy | now I have to remember how to open the adb |
| 04:23.37 | jbq_ | This'll get fixed in the future, BTW. |
| 04:23.44 | offby1 | aha: an answer to my app installation problem: Failure [INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_MANIFEST_MALFORMED] |
| 04:23.49 | offby1 | quoth adb |
| 04:23.49 | TiberiumX | Just make sure the tools directory from the SDK is in your path. |
| 04:23.54 | offby1 | Leeds: thanks for the idea |
| 04:24.01 | Leeds | glad to help :-) |
| 04:24.20 | Gary|tp | doesn't even have to be in the path |
| 04:24.25 | Gary|tp | cd ~/tools |
| 04:24.29 | Gary|tp | ./adb |
| 04:24.45 | TiberiumX | Well yeah, but it is easier if all of those programs are in your path. |
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| 04:26.54 | d03boy | found it :D |
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| 04:34.55 | Chewy954 | dont know if this is allowed, anyone have a site with pre-converted movies for the g1? |
| 04:36.08 | andyross | Allowed? This is freenode, not an AOL chat room. That said: no idea, sorry. |
| 04:36.28 | Chewy954 | lol |
| 04:36.34 | Chewy954 | i just mean the channel :P |
| 04:36.44 | Chewy954 | dont know if there are "rules" persay |
| 04:36.52 | Chewy954 | yet only 2 ops, doubt they would notice even if so. |
| 04:36.54 | Disconnect | freenode doesn't allow copyright violation, so having to ask indicates that probably no, its not allowed. |
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| 04:38.04 | d03boy | can I turn the emulator on its side while its running? |
| 04:38.12 | Disconnect | kp-7 |
| 04:38.20 | Disconnect | which coincidentally is fn-7 on some laptops (like my mbp) |
| 04:38.27 | Disconnect | i think home key can do it too |
| 04:38.29 | jbq_ | pretends he didn't hear anything about copyright violations |
| 04:38.46 | Disconnect | oooh more google pretending :) |
| 04:38.47 | d03boy | oh sweet.. |
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| 04:38.58 | d03boyEmu | im chatting from an emulator. Super cool |
| 04:39.10 | Disconnect | cool deal |
| 04:40.26 | d03boy | very interesting |
| 04:40.30 | Leeds | Chewy954: there are plenty of legal g1-friendly videos to download |
| 04:40.37 | geist | oh how his achievement was so short lived |
| 04:40.46 | geist | see as he crashes to the earth, never to fly again |
| 04:40.46 | DarkriftX | tetroid sucks |
| 04:40.49 | DarkriftX | it needs better controls |
| 04:40.51 | d03boy | haha |
| 04:40.55 | d03boy | tetris? |
| 04:40.59 | DarkriftX | yeah |
| 04:41.05 | DarkriftX | the trackball control bits ass |
| 04:41.07 | Disconnect | bonsai blast is pretty slick |
| 04:41.07 | DarkriftX | bites* |
| 04:41.13 | unix_infidel | metroid + tetris....hmmm. |
| 04:41.21 | unix_infidel | awesome! |
| 04:41.22 | d03boy | DarkriftX, 3 buttons... left, right, down |
| 04:41.27 | d03boy | oh.. rotate I guess |
| 04:41.46 | DarkriftX | rotate is the trackball pressed |
| 04:41.52 | d03boy | thast dumb |
| 04:41.54 | DarkriftX | which tosses your piece all over the screen |
| 04:41.58 | Disconnect | lol |
| 04:41.58 | DarkriftX | and the rotate is SLOW |
| 04:42.01 | d03boy | there should be onscreen keys |
| 04:42.02 | Disconnect | you'll get hte hang of it |
| 04:42.12 | DarkriftX | i got quite far, but it was still shitty |
| 04:42.14 | Disconnect | pressing without scrolling gets easier. its still not good but.. |
| 04:42.15 | DarkriftX | deletes |
| 04:42.28 | d03boy | Disconnect, is that your game? :D |
| 04:42.35 | Disconnect | nope |
| 04:42.42 | unix_infidel | the trackball is the same one as the bold or the pearl just smaller and less sexy. |
| 04:42.50 | DarkriftX | i like it |
| 04:42.56 | DarkriftX | just not for the only method of control in tetris :S |
| 04:42.56 | Disconnect | i just know that after some practice its possible to press without scrolling. it'll come up a lot :/ |
| 04:43.22 | unix_infidel | yea being able to swipe left or right to control would be nice. |
| 04:43.24 | d03boy | eclipse is whining about this code: http://pastebin.ca/1270825 (no grammar constraints: dts or schema) |
| 04:43.38 | Disconnect | that linearlayout needs an id |
| 04:44.12 | d03boy | why, thank you kind sir |
| 04:45.01 | Leeds | bonsai blast is really good |
| 04:45.20 | DarkriftX | wow, do you really have to click "OK" on the voice dialer? |
| 04:45.35 | Disconnect | ? |
| 04:45.52 | DarkriftX | i said "call home" it brings up a box "Call home on mobile" [ok][cancel] |
| 04:46.02 | Disconnect | actually in several nearly identical circumstances it'll use voodoo to determine whether or not it dials when you click a phone # |
| 04:46.05 | DarkriftX | which makes it 10x more useless than it should be |
| 04:46.22 | Disconnect | DarkriftX: thats awesome. i had real issues with my e90 calling people at random |
| 04:46.37 | DarkriftX | my wizard had voice dialing |
| 04:46.52 | DarkriftX | "call home" "call home?" "yes" .... dialing..... |
| 04:47.03 | d03boy | even the razr has that |
| 04:47.06 | DarkriftX | you could say yes, ok, correct, dial, call |
| 04:47.28 | DarkriftX | well, where there are flaws, there is room for someone to come along and fix it |
| 04:47.30 | Disconnect | e90 had no verification. click the button, say something, and it assumed 'yes' |
| 04:47.36 | DarkriftX | ouch |
| 04:47.43 | DarkriftX | well im sure we will get a good one soon |
| 04:47.43 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 04:47.54 | Disconnect | i think it asked but it took basically anything as yes |
| 04:47.56 | DarkriftX | and hopefully a video player that plays standard formats liek xvid |
| 04:48.30 | Disconnect | few weeks ago the goog guys spent a long time arguing that you needed to rewrite the video codecs in java and do it the Android Way. |
| 04:48.52 | Disconnect | which is all well and good i guess, except for the fact that there is no freakin way it'll work :) |
| 04:49.04 | jbq_ | Disconnect: do you have a link for that? |
| 04:49.42 | Disconnect | it might have been pre-infobot. but it was part of one of the earlier native code discussions. if it is indexed you'll find me talking about mplayer wrappers and openvpn guis.. |
| 04:49.55 | Disconnect | infobot: logs |
| 04:49.56 | infobot | All conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. |
| 04:50.16 | Disconnect | christ. if it was indexed that'd be handy. :( |
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| 04:52.45 | jbq_ | No obvious match on my favorite search engine :( |
| 04:53.20 | Disconnect | crap. i found the discussion in my local logs but dircproxy doesn't print dates :( |
| 04:54.19 | jbq_ | Anyway, the truth is, there's no way with Android as it is to add codecs, and implying that it should be done on top of dalvik is just bs. |
| 04:55.01 | Disconnect | looks like it was mostly <pjv!n=pjv@91.178.168.40> |
| 04:55.39 | d03boy | im sure you could get 5fps |
| 04:55.58 | Disconnect | and jasta. |
| 04:56.00 | ionstorm | where are the codecs located |
| 04:56.06 | ionstorm | are they in java land? |
| 04:56.10 | ionstorm | or c land |
| 04:56.27 | Disconnect | oh. looks like pjv is one of those 'free human beings' :) |
| 04:56.37 | jbq_ | Disconnect: I don't know who that pjv person is, it doesn't ring a bell as a googler. |
| 04:57.39 | jbq_ | ionstorm: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/opencore.git;a=summary for the C side. Individual devices might be using different codecs. |
| 04:57.46 | Damm | most googlers show google in their hostname |
| 04:57.50 | Damm | the whole google/nat/.. |
| 04:57.55 | Disconnect | yah |
| 04:58.09 | Damm | i know DannyB doesn't show his googleness |
| 04:58.12 | Damm | but he doesn't count |
| 04:58.13 | ionstorm | whats so hard about compiling a new codec? |
| 04:58.23 | jbq_ | Those who connect from work, yeah. Some prefer to connect from a non-Google address. |
| 04:58.39 | jbq_ | ionstorm: the hard part is to make it fit in the existing codec framework. |
| 04:58.52 | Damm | jbq_, it would be easier to be in #android and android-dev not showing your googleness true. |
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| 05:00.00 | jbq_ | I don't even know how much googleness I'm showing right now... |
| 05:00.13 | Damm | jbq_, doesn't matter... we already know |
| 05:00.13 | andyross | points out that the "co" part of codec isn't likely to work well at camera resolution even in native code without DSP integration. |
| 05:01.03 | Disconnect | jbq_: none of it: 311: jbq_ n=jbq 72.14.224.1 * Jean-Baptiste Queru |
| 05:02.30 | andyross | admits he's been assembling a private list of googlevolk who speak on this channel. |
| 05:03.29 | jbq_ | heh |
| 05:05.34 | Disconnect | oooh i want a copigturduckenburger. |
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| 05:10.22 | strongsauce | ./wi $me |
| 05:10.55 | strongsauce | whoops |
| 05:12.15 | TiberiumX | Wow, I'm looking at how to make a screen for and manage preferences for my program right now. This looks extremely painless. |
| 05:16.09 | d03boy | droiddraw.org? |
| 05:18.46 | d03boy | im having troubles figuring out droiddraw |
| 05:19.10 | d03boy | i drag a LinearLayout and it doesnt show up? |
| 05:25.47 | Disconnect | just use the xml. as much as i hate to say that. |
| 05:26.10 | Disconnect | does android reparse init.rc? |
| 05:27.15 | d03boy | i cant seem to get the errors to go away in xml |
| 05:28.30 | d03boy | tryin to use droiddraw to see what im doing wrong |
| 05:28.42 | Disconnect | droiddraw is severely broken |
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| 05:38.19 | TiberiumX | I always forget to include a new activity in the manifest and then am surprised when it crashes. |
| 05:38.58 | Damm | andyross, let me know if you ever publish it. |
| 05:41.02 | Damm | you know it almost would be nice to have a CIA bot crawl the whole android.kernel.org repository's and post commits |
| 05:41.30 | Damm | hasn't done a repo sync in almost 2 weeks, and it's rather lackluster. |
| 05:41.54 | Disconnect | it'd be a ton more useful than infobot |
| 05:42.01 | Disconnect | s/infobot/worthless poc infobot |
| 05:42.08 | Disconnect | damnit. it only accepts valid regex. :) |
| 05:42.20 | Damm | s/damnit/crap |
| 05:42.27 | Damm | hohum, what a crappy bot |
| 05:42.31 | Damm | s/crappy/lame |
| 05:42.38 | Damm | guess mine is non valid |
| 05:42.49 | Disconnect | s/regex/regex with / |
| 05:43.02 | Damm | sigh, the last / |
| 05:43.09 | Disconnect | s/regex/sig/ |
| 05:43.10 | Disconnect | h |
| 05:43.29 | Damm | s/crappy/stupid/ |
| 05:43.32 | Damm | s/crappy/stupid / |
| 05:43.37 | Disconnect | last statement only |
| 05:43.46 | Damm | figures |
| 05:43.51 | Damm | s/figures/lame / |
| 05:46.04 | Disconnect | has no idea why its here, btu evidently goog likes it |
| 05:46.43 | Damm | Disconnect, hard to really say. |
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| 05:47.56 | DarkriftX | so is the google maps app the only real navigation software for the g1? |
| 05:48.04 | Damm | DarkriftX, only one worth mentioning |
| 05:48.14 | Disconnect | andnav but it never even pretended to work for me |
| 05:48.16 | Damm | there's some other Andinav or some crap... but uh it crashes like shit |
| 05:48.23 | Olipro | until we finish the Windows Mobile BSP anyway |
| 05:48.27 | Damm | yeah Disconnect hit it there. |
| 05:48.29 | DarkriftX | andnav looked good until i read more about it today |
| 05:48.36 | DarkriftX | hey Olipro, hows it going? |
| 05:48.51 | Olipro | hi |
| 05:48.51 | DarkriftX | bsp? |
| 05:49.00 | Olipro | I was joking |
| 05:49.15 | DarkriftX | didnt catch the joke |
| 05:49.21 | Olipro | if you built a BSP for Android, you could compile Windows Mobile for it |
| 05:49.28 | DarkriftX | ahh :S |
| 05:49.32 | DarkriftX | i wouldnt want wm |
| 05:49.39 | DarkriftX | i finally got away from it |
| 05:49.43 | Damm | wow 1 commit in packages/apps/Email |
| 05:49.45 | Damm | that's really sad |
| 05:49.49 | Damm | (from the initial commit) |
| 05:50.00 | Olipro | so, i haven't been following recently |
| 05:50.02 | Disconnect | Damm: there's fsckall for commits in most of the tree |
| 05:50.09 | Olipro | has anyone found a way to jailbreak the latest Android |
| 05:50.14 | Disconnect | "Someday" (tm google) they'll have a public tree |
| 05:50.16 | Disconnect | Olipro: no |
| 05:50.23 | Olipro | oh well |
| 05:50.24 | Damm | Disconnect, it's not just google, it's people commiting back |
| 05:50.25 | Damm | :( |
| 05:50.31 | Olipro | don't worry Disconnect |
| 05:50.36 | Olipro | it's not a problem to beat it |
| 05:50.47 | Olipro | there's a really simple way to do the jailbreak |
| 05:50.51 | Olipro | I won't say how just yet |
| 05:50.57 | Olipro | but it will be released in time |
| 05:51.25 | Olipro | :) |
| 05:51.29 | Disconnect | and you want us to believe you have something to do with it? |
| 05:51.39 | Olipro | heh |
| 05:52.34 | Olipro | no need to be smarmy with me |
| 05:52.41 | Olipro | I'm not some no-name smart-arse dipshit |
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| 05:53.18 | joeyoh | ^ Olipro-named smart-arse dipshit |
| 05:53.46 | Olipro | haha |
| 05:54.39 | DarkriftX | thinks eveyrone needs a beer |
| 05:54.49 | d03boy | spotted cow for everyone |
| 05:56.07 | DarkriftX | ive been craving some bud light lime all night |
| 05:56.16 | Disconnect | wacahghfg wtf? on purpose? |
| 05:56.51 | Olipro | with lime? |
| 05:56.57 | Olipro | what are you, a woman? |
| 05:56.58 | DarkriftX | thats what its called |
| 05:57.01 | DarkriftX | "Bud Light Lime" |
| 05:57.16 | DarkriftX | only females like lime? |
| 05:57.16 | Disconnect | its what you get if you drink corona with lime and um... refill bottles. |
| 05:57.33 | Olipro | haha |
| 05:58.27 | offby1 | how can I kill an errant app? Or should I just ignore it |
| 05:58.35 | offby1 | ? |
| 05:58.42 | Olipro | yeah, it's like cancer, ignore it and it |
| 05:58.43 | Disconnect | the Android Way is reboot |
| 05:58.46 | Olipro | *and it'll go away |
| 05:58.59 | Disconnect | in reality, we need an app killer perm and app |
| 05:59.13 | Disconnect | but thats an sdk change, so it'll come in 2 |
| 05:59.23 | Disconnect | 2.0 .. which is likely to be at least a year away if not more |
| 05:59.37 | offby1 | Olipro: sounds reasonable :) |
| 05:59.39 | fnordg1 | Disconnect: basically we need an official nod on root. Therefore it must be secure root |
| 06:00.09 | Disconnect | fnordg1: nah. the "die now" thing can come through dalvik |
| 06:00.28 | offby1 | I wonder if it's just a matter of starting enough other apps that it'll get "paged out" or something :) |
| 06:00.31 | fnordg1 | Disconnect: not for user-managed killing i'd think?\ |
| 06:00.44 | Olipro | Disconnect: are you ignoring me or something? |
| 06:00.50 | Disconnect | ? |
| 06:00.58 | Olipro | I just sent you a PM |
| 06:01.02 | fnordg1 | Oh sure I guess some daemon can check the dir of an official app for a pid kill-list, but that's shitty\ |
| 06:01.21 | Disconnect | ah |
| 06:02.19 | Disconnect | fnordg1: we just need a "what is running" api call (which kinda exists already i think) and a "kill this thing" call |
| 06:02.47 | Disconnect | realistically that should be part of the security policy already (find out what is running/installed..) but that would have shown too much forsight |
| 06:02.50 | Disconnect | foresight |
| 06:03.00 | Olipro | Disconnect: PM again :P |
| 06:03.06 | andyross | Honestly, unless the software is buggy and spinning (or powering up the radios needlessly, etc...), you don't. If all it's hogging is memory, the system will kill it for you. |
| 06:03.37 | offby1 | andyross: it's not causing any trouble at all, as far as I know; it's just ... you know ... I'm used to killing stuff :) |
| 06:05.08 | spackest | so how do I tab between fields? |
| 06:05.28 | Disconnect | scrollwheel |
| 06:05.34 | spackest | meaning, I want to be able to have a user hit tab and walk to the next field or button |
| 06:07.17 | unix_infidel | spackest: if you have a G1 simply moving the G1's scroll wheel in the desired direction should move to the next field. |
| 06:07.35 | offby1 | actually, I thought of a good reason to kill the app: it's spinning, and I want to actually use it; I figure if I kill it and restart it it'll work OK for a while. |
| 06:07.39 | unix_infidel | seeing as the tab is a secondary soft key i wouldnt rely on it. |
| 06:08.15 | d03boy | No grammar constraints (DTD or XML schema) detected for the document. |
| 06:08.24 | d03boy | I do not understand why I keep getting that |
| 06:08.34 | fnordg1 | Disconnect: yeh I actually like koush's idea, despite initial bad implementation and thread takeover. Hopefully this stuff can be standardized in a secure fashion. MAYBE it might be approved for mainstream |
| 06:08.46 | spackest | unix_infidel: I am working in eclipse, trying to do a simple username, password, submit button, but when I launch the emulator, tab doesn't walk through the inputs |
| 06:08.56 | Disconnect | d03boy: did you have the ids and such again? |
| 06:09.02 | d03boy | yes I added them |
| 06:09.26 | d03boy | android:id="@+id/blah" |
| 06:09.29 | d03boy | that's correct, isn't it? |
| 06:09.38 | spackest | I am using LinearLayout and EditText |
| 06:09.38 | unix_infidel | spackest: try the D-Pad. |
| 06:12.34 | spackest | and I did android:password="true" but the letters show up for a second then get changed to a dot |
| 06:13.01 | spackest | will that work properly on a real phone? |
| 06:13.02 | d03boy | Disconnect, hrm. Rebooting eclipse fixed it.. -_- |
| 06:13.11 | spackest | android: password="true" |
| 06:13.43 | Disconnect | lol |
| 06:14.40 | d03boy | if I have the xmlns:schema thing once in the program, I dont need it anymore, right? |
| 06:14.46 | d03boy | er, in the file |
| 06:19.50 | spackest | unix_infidel: thanks, the D-Pad tabs through, guess I would like to see the tab key, tab through |
| 06:20.13 | offby1 | what's the "D-Pad"? |
| 06:20.32 | d03boy | up-down-left-right-b-a-b-a-select-start |
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| 06:26.55 | unix_infidel | spackest: like i said the tab key is a secondary soft key, it's bad design to MAKE someone use it. |
| 06:27.28 | donpdonp | spackest: displaying the letter for a second is a feature |
| 06:27.39 | Disconnect | in prefs turn off 'display passwords' |
| 06:29.15 | donpdonp | Android home page -> (menu) Settings -> Security & Location -> Visible passwords (check) |
| 06:35.45 | spackest | ahh, thanks |
| 06:35.50 | d03boy | tries to figure out these weighst.. |
| 06:36.54 | spackest | so is the android.webkit.CookieManager an analogue to browser cookies? |
| 06:37.07 | spackest | I want something not quite at the sqlite level |
| 06:38.04 | spackest | I am going to log a user in via a web service, get an auth token and I want a way to rememeber that the user has been authed |
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| 06:41.00 | unix_infidel | spackest: which web service framework are you using? |
| 06:43.56 | spackest | my own :) |
| 06:44.19 | spackest | I return json to http requests |
| 06:48.49 | tmzt | d03boy: xmlns: only applies to that node and it's child nodes, so if it's on the root node it will apply to the entire file |
| 06:49.11 | d03boy | ah, that makes sense |
| 06:53.01 | Lieutenant | hi guys. |
| 06:53.27 | d03boy | hi dad |
| 06:54.15 | Lieutenant | i thought i tucked you into bed son, what are you doing up again? |
| 06:55.28 | Lieutenant | alright, with all seriousness aside, i need help so can someone please assist me? |
| 06:55.32 | Lieutenant | so i'm trying to use the screenshot app on the G1, but it says broken pipe and wont do it. and i read that its because i have a su password and it doesn't know how to access the shit its trying to access or whatever, can someone help me fix this? |
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| 06:58.58 | DarkriftX | the built in screenshot app? |
| 06:59.01 | DarkriftX | requires su? |
| 06:59.10 | Lieutenant | i guess. |
| 06:59.16 | DarkriftX | su wasnt even on the g1 before it was rooted |
| 06:59.25 | Lieutenant | no, someoe made a screenshot app |
| 06:59.34 | Lieutenant | and posted it on the market |
| 06:59.38 | DarkriftX | that requires su?, delete.... |
| 06:59.55 | DarkriftX | this isnt windows, dont give apps full control over your device |
| 07:00.02 | DarkriftX | if it needs su, you dont need it |
| 07:00.07 | Lieutenant | i dunno, it seems legit i mean, lemme link u. |
| 07:00.08 | Lieutenant | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=450741 |
| 07:00.19 | DarkriftX | they all seem legit |
| 07:00.28 | DarkriftX | but do you have the source, and have you read through it to make sure? |
| 07:00.34 | TiberiumX | Haha, I don't think su is on the G1 at all. I think people just linked to sh and gave root permissions. |
| 07:00.37 | JesusFreke | he posted the source :p |
| 07:00.47 | Lieutenant | he posted the code n stuff |
| 07:00.56 | DarkriftX | there are maybe 5 ppl id trust binaries from and most of them are in here |
| 07:00.56 | JesusFreke | tib, v1.2 does have su |
| 07:01.05 | JesusFreke | v1.1 had the setuid sh |
| 07:01.09 | mike4263 | hey JesusFreke, I'm digging my phone :) |
| 07:01.12 | TiberiumX | Ahh, I see. |
| 07:01.13 | mike4263 | thanks again |
| 07:01.21 | JesusFreke | sweet mike :D |
| 07:01.28 | JesusFreke | np |
| 07:01.29 | Lieutenant | so i guess i should delete it huh? |
| 07:01.53 | mike4263 | I still got the old one kicking around, I'll probably keep it in case I brick this one somehow lol |
| 07:01.55 | DarkriftX | hrmmm, |
| 07:02.11 | JesusFreke | lol :) |
| 07:02.13 | DarkriftX | well... i think he might be trustworthy, but still. you never know |
| 07:02.59 | Lieutenant | yeah i'll wait until a long while longer, until more people comment on it or whatever. |
| 07:03.06 | Lieutenant | and um... |
| 07:03.13 | DarkriftX | that koush guy has done a few things for android and most dont require su. this one seems like it might be legit, but until you talk to someone who has checked the source, you are still taking a risk |
| 07:03.36 | DarkriftX | that right there is why most ppl think having root on android is a bad idea |
| 07:03.38 | TiberiumX | I just used the Amazon MP3 store program. Pretty nice and easy. It'd be cool if you could integrate with riaaradar or something. I'm guessing the source isn't available for this one? |
| 07:03.48 | Lieutenant | yeah but on most of his apps, comments say "it killed my root access" i dunno why. |
| 07:03.49 | DarkriftX | masses of people downloading apps that need root and not knowing if they are safe |
| 07:04.10 | JesusFreke | luietenant, that's just because people don't realize how his earlier versions worked |
| 07:04.47 | Lieutenant | oh, but now it wont, correct? |
| 07:04.51 | Lieutenant | ahh this shit is just confusing |
| 07:05.06 | JesusFreke | yeah, his newest version is much more user friendly :) |
| 07:05.12 | Lieutenant | sweet. |
| 07:05.21 | JesusFreke | type su and it pops up a screen saying "do you want to allow su access to such and such app" |
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| 07:05.45 | Lieutenant | did u download the screenshot app by any chance? |
| 07:05.55 | JesusFreke | no |
| 07:05.59 | Lieutenant | lol |
| 07:06.09 | JesusFreke | but I wouldn't have any problem with it |
| 07:06.10 | Lieutenant | ur prolly like "fuck no, i dont trust that guy" |
| 07:06.20 | JesusFreke | I just don't need a screenshot app :D |
| 07:06.24 | Lieutenant | oh |
| 07:06.43 | JesusFreke | If I need to take a screenshot, then I'm at my computer and can hook it up via usb and use ddms |
| 07:06.49 | Gary|tp | JesusFreke |
| 07:06.54 | Gary|tp | did you read my comment? |
| 07:07.15 | JesusFreke | I'm guessing no. I don't recall reading one, at least :) |
| 07:07.33 | JesusFreke | I don't usually read the backlog in here |
| 07:07.35 | JesusFreke | too long :p |
| 07:08.11 | Lieutenant | hey is there ever gonna be a way to extract a .apk file like u can do with .iso's? so everyone can see whats in a .apk themselves (to see the code used) or is this typa thing not even possible with these types of files? |
| 07:08.23 | tmzt | unzip? |
| 07:08.26 | sparkle | you can see bytecode |
| 07:08.39 | Gary|tp | [21:36] <Gary13579> JesusFreke: Ahh, well, read this when you get back. I was wondering if any of the updates you've done include recompiled code, or if it's all been simple modifications to file system etc. Wondering if it'd be possible to improve the SMS system to stop all the lag that happens when you |
| 07:08.41 | Gary|tp | have thousands of texts (maybe add a LIMIT 100 to the SQLite query) |
| 07:08.53 | tmzt | take one of the jvm disasm's and add support for dvm codes |
| 07:09.19 | Gary|tp | I mean, can you actually recompile major parts of the system and add them to an update for the g1 |
| 07:09.20 | Lieutenant | oh so it IS possible? |
| 07:09.32 | JesusFreke | it just depends on the specific app gary |
| 07:09.34 | sparkle | truthfully though...encourage people to release their s/w with source |
| 07:09.42 | JesusFreke | I'm not sure about the SMS thing. might be possible.. |
| 07:09.56 | tmzt | where is sms implemented? |
| 07:09.57 | JesusFreke | but not really something I'm interested in looking into |
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| 07:10.03 | Lieutenant | then why do people say "hey, u didn't release the code, i dont trust you." when they can see the code themselves? |
| 07:10.12 | sparkle | Gary|tp: sure, but only users who can process updates with your keys will be able to use them |
| 07:10.13 | Gary|tp | well, I think adding a few limits would seriously speed up the texting app |
| 07:10.27 | DarkriftX | damn that koush guy |
| 07:10.35 | Gary|tp | of course, but I'd want it to be used with JF's updates/keys |
| 07:10.36 | DarkriftX | doesnt put version numbers on his site, so no way to tell if market has latest version |
| 07:10.43 | Lieutenant | darkrift, why? |
| 07:10.46 | Lieutenant | oh gotcha. |
| 07:11.21 | Gary|tp | Lieutenant: Because IIRC, no one knows the davlik bytecode well enough to decompile it. It's possible, as it is just java, but it'll take time for someone to convert davlik back to java |
| 07:11.57 | Lieutenant | oh, isee. |
| 07:11.57 | tmzt | if they used gcc, it might already be done |
| 07:12.02 | tmzt | gcc being gnu compiler collection, including java |
| 07:12.29 | Lieutenant | k i got 1 more question, is it possible to edit programs that are already on the G1? (specifically the YouTube app) because someone could make it where all the video links automatically add the string "&fmt=18" to every link to make the videos high quality. would that be possible? |
| 07:12.48 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 07:12.52 | DarkriftX | superuser works pretty good |
| 07:12.56 | JesusFreke | yeah |
| 07:12.58 | JesusFreke | it's spiffy |
| 07:13.03 | sparkle | easier way to do that is just to shunt requests through a proxy |
| 07:13.12 | DarkriftX | its kinda big and ugly, but functions nicely |
| 07:13.25 | sparkle | android already supports that, looks like |
| 07:13.25 | DarkriftX | does android not support window'd apps? |
| 07:13.32 | JesusFreke | only minor thing I don't like is that it takes too long for the screen to pop up |
| 07:13.42 | DarkriftX | liek just a popup with the same details instead of a whole screen |
| 07:13.42 | JesusFreke | after you type su |
| 07:13.49 | JesusFreke | dunno dark |
| 07:13.50 | DarkriftX | yeah, about 4 seconds :( |
| 07:14.02 | JesusFreke | You can whitelist terminal emulator though |
| 07:14.08 | JesusFreke | I'm not sure if it speeds it up though |
| 07:14.13 | JesusFreke | I haven't tried yet. lol |
| 07:14.22 | sparkle | if you ask me, putting out canned apps that req root perms is just...messed |
| 07:14.27 | DarkriftX | i can deal with the speed |
| 07:14.41 | DarkriftX | just hate having to use back to switch from open apps |
| 07:14.46 | sparkle | if you don't know how to handle root, you shouldn't be messing with it |
| 07:14.53 | DarkriftX | i agree sparkle |
| 07:14.57 | DarkriftX | its a catch22 |
| 07:14.58 | JesusFreke | you can't handle the root! |
| 07:15.04 | JesusFreke | rooth! |
| 07:15.31 | sparkle | then again i've been a sysadmin for 2000 grad students |
| 07:15.38 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 07:15.40 | sparkle | if anyone can screw things up... |
| 07:15.50 | DarkriftX | i bet my wife woudl give you a run for your money |
| 07:15.59 | DarkriftX | she can breath on a computer and it will crash |
| 07:15.59 | sparkle | "power lusers" |
| 07:16.21 | umdk1d3 | mmm ls rm latex ;) |
| 07:16.26 | DarkriftX | question, does the gmail app remove messages from the server? (will kmail still get a copy when it checks?) |
| 07:16.26 | umdk1d3 | *ln |
| 07:18.33 | DarkriftX | he should make a superuser that acts liek sudo, requires a password |
| 07:19.46 | JesusFreke | fnord has one |
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| 07:23.55 | RyeBrye | For anyone who cares, I posted the source for that ugly multitouch proof-of-concept hack |
| 07:24.16 | DarkriftX | not just ugly, FUGLY |
| 07:24.18 | DarkriftX | hides |
| 07:24.23 | RyeBrye | http://tinyurl.com/6an29l |
| 07:24.45 | DarkriftX | looks for something fun to do with his g1 |
| 07:25.37 | DarkriftX | btw, the market search sucks donkey balls |
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| 07:29.20 | DarkriftX | shit, i thought superuser was cool.... then i found it doesnt persist after reboot :( |
| 07:29.38 | DarkriftX | well, it was a nice try :( |
| 07:30.02 | Damm | DarkriftX, don't bitch... fix it |
| 07:30.19 | DarkriftX | wouldnt know where to start |
| 07:30.31 | DarkriftX | the bitchers are what gets the fixers working |
| 07:30.32 | DarkriftX | :) |
| 07:30.53 | Damm | then you have no right to bitch |
| 07:31.04 | Damm | this is a Free and Open Source System, you can fix anything you want on it. |
| 07:31.18 | Damm | (specially if you didn't install RC30 and have RC30+root+v1.2 |
| 07:34.34 | Damm | i'm missing my old blackberry |
| 07:34.49 | Damm | so much smoother then the G1... having a Blackberry Bold would be swank. |
| 07:35.03 | Damm | cept I get SSH free on the Android, and don't have to pay 30$ like I do with the BB SSH. |
| 07:35.18 | DarkriftX | Damm, don't bitch... fix it :) |
| 07:37.50 | Damm | DarkriftX, my phone is basically a SSH and Nagios pager. |
| 07:37.57 | Damm | that's all I care about. |
| 07:38.14 | DarkriftX | i can almost say the same for mine |
| 07:38.25 | DarkriftX | i want browser, ssh and other fun junk to play with |
| 07:38.31 | Damm | the G1 is decent for nagios pages. |
| 07:38.35 | Damm | and the SSH is excellent |
| 07:38.41 | DarkriftX | connectbot is the shit |
| 07:38.45 | spackest | so anyone else here think that the eclipse / android setup is pretty dang unstable? |
| 07:39.02 | Damm | I wouldn't touch eclipse with a 10 foot pole. |
| 07:39.04 | Damm | nuf said. |
| 07:39.05 | spackest | maybe it is just cause I am using an old laptop or something |
| 07:39.17 | spackest | Damm: how do you develop? |
| 07:39.26 | Damm | spackest, vi, or *twitch* textmate |
| 07:40.02 | DarkriftX | i guess its time for me to figure out this debian on the g1 stuff |
| 07:40.14 | Damm | been using vi since 1993? |
| 07:40.18 | Damm | not gonna stop now |
| 07:41.02 | d03boy | I have a vertical linear layout. How can I say that I want the bottom one to be like.. 10% of the layout |
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| 07:42.26 | spackest | yeah, I have used vi for years, but not sure how to do all the emulator stuff outside of eclipse |
| 07:43.42 | TiberiumX | Isn't there supposed to be a vim plugin for Eclipse? (I also use vim in favor of eclipse -- it's too painful not to) |
| 07:44.16 | d03boy | that's really neat |
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| 07:44.43 | TiberiumX | Emulator stuff works just the same. You just use a script that came with the SDK to create your application directory tree/files and then run "ant" to build the project. |
| 07:44.46 | some-other-choop | hello all |
| 07:45.04 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
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| 07:46.28 | some-other-choop | i just got my g1 today |
| 07:46.38 | some-other-choop | haven't even made a call yet and i know it's the right choice :D |
| 07:46.41 | spikebike | what release did it come with? |
| 07:46.55 | some-other-choop | not sure, how can i tell |
| 07:47.06 | RyeBrye | type "reboot" in your keypad |
| 07:47.08 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 07:47.21 | RyeBrye | oh, then hit enter too |
| 07:47.23 | unix_infidel | LOL. |
| 07:47.29 | spikebike | settings -> about phone |
| 07:47.32 | TiberiumX | Settings->About phone->Build number |
| 07:47.48 | spikebike | build number |
| 07:47.52 | spikebike | heh, ya |
| 07:48.54 | some-other-choop | kila-user 1.0 tc4-rc29 115247 |
| 07:49.22 | spikebike | cool, you can get and keep root on your phone |
| 07:49.31 | TiberiumX | If you're at all interested in root access, don't let it automatically update when it asks. |
| 07:49.34 | spikebike | if it offers to auto-upgrade click on later |
| 07:49.35 | some-other-choop | okay |
| 07:49.38 | spikebike | ya |
| 07:49.54 | some-other-choop | what i'm interested in is two things |
| 07:50.05 | some-other-choop | 1) syncing with osx 10.4 |
| 07:50.11 | spikebike | syncing? |
| 07:50.13 | some-other-choop | 2) irc other than mibbit |
| 07:50.18 | some-other-choop | yeah, contacts & shit |
| 07:50.30 | spikebike | import to gmail contacts |
| 07:50.48 | some-other-choop | right |
| 07:50.49 | d03boy | im workingon irc right now |
| 07:50.52 | d03boy | but I suck at the UI dev ha |
| 07:50.55 | spikebike | personally I use connectbot -> irssi |
| 07:51.06 | DarkriftX | odd, wont let me mount my g1 sd card |
| 07:51.09 | DarkriftX | giving me odd errors :S |
| 07:51.53 | DarkriftX | isCallerPrivledged() |
| 07:53.33 | d03boy | you cant spell privileged |
| 07:54.01 | some-other-choop | wow shells are gonna be rough on this keyboard |
| 07:54.07 | JesusFreke | no, but he can spell privledged :D |
| 07:54.10 | DarkriftX | its 1am, not worried about spelling lol |
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| 07:59.17 | Lieutenant | there is an irc app out, its in beta though |
| 07:59.30 | d03boy | it really doesnt do anything |
| 07:59.31 | some-other-choop | i'm willing to use beta |
| 07:59.46 | Lieutenant | countercultured.net/ircbeta.apk |
| 07:59.49 | Lieutenant | works fine. |
| 08:00.01 | d03boy | countercultured.net/irc/ |
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| 08:01.30 | some-other-choop | installing |
| 08:01.42 | DarkriftX | heh, me too |
| 08:03.19 | d03boy | i cant get these weights right |
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| 08:04.09 | some-other-choop | haha i typo'd the server name |
| 08:04.46 | DarkriftX | wow |
| 08:04.50 | DarkriftX | thats not bad at all |
| 08:05.05 | DarkriftX | i like the drag to change channel feature (although it took soem guesswork to figure that out) |
| 08:05.12 | droidrift | w00t |
| 08:06.23 | some-other-choop | odd, coldfront won't connect |
| 08:07.03 | some-other-choop | there we go |
| 08:07.28 | DarkriftX | whos app is this? |
| 08:07.33 | d03boy | nyt |
| 08:07.38 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 08:07.38 | d03boy | check the 'about' screen |
| 08:08.20 | DarkriftX | unless there are major bugs, i wouldnt call this beta :) |
| 08:09.22 | d03boy | it has practically no features |
| 08:09.24 | d03boy | doesnt work |
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| 08:10.42 | tiberiumx2 | Pretty cool. How long do you think it'll be until you're ready to release? |
| 08:11.17 | Lieutenant | lol its nyt's app. |
| 08:11.25 | Lieutenant | and he is gonna release it post january i think |
| 08:11.32 | Lieutenant | he wants to charge for it. |
| 08:12.03 | some-other-choop | D: |
| 08:12.08 | some-other-choop | not much i hope |
| 08:12.22 | Lieutenant | yeah beta expires in 2 weeks from the time he uploaded it |
| 08:12.31 | DarkriftX | no features is better then no connection :) |
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| 08:12.58 | Lieutenant | yeah it still does what basic irc does. chat, /nick /join n shit like that |
| 08:13.23 | TiberiumX | Is the IRC protocol very complicated? |
| 08:13.36 | d03boy | extremely simple |
| 08:13.49 | d03boy | i can do the irc protocol portion in a matter of a couple days if someone handles the UI |
| 08:14.18 | Lieutenant | well then we should make an irc app, i'll come up with the ideas for features :) |
| 08:14.20 | Lieutenant | winks |
| 08:14.29 | d03boy | ircell.org |
| 08:14.51 | Lieutenant | oh, son of a bitch! lol |
| 08:14.52 | d03boy | if you want to do the UI stuff, feel free |
| 08:15.27 | TiberiumX | Haha. Maybe I'll try an IRC client when I finish my current project. |
| 08:15.39 | waldo_ | what happened to novak's im client anyway |
| 08:16.18 | waldo_ | irc I mean |
| 08:17.35 | d03boy | ive got this Horizontal Linear Layout with 2 buttons in it |
| 08:17.58 | d03boy | each button is width=fill_parent |
| 08:18.09 | TiberiumX | And the first one pushes the second out? |
| 08:18.13 | d03boy | yes |
| 08:18.16 | some-other-choop | is this client based on xchat? |
| 08:18.32 | Lieutenant | i believe he made it from scratch |
| 08:18.37 | TiberiumX | Set them each to android:weight="1" |
| 08:18.48 | TiberiumX | layout_weight, I mean |
| 08:18.50 | d03boy | TiberiumX, how do those weights work? |
| 08:19.37 | TiberiumX | Not really sure at the moment. |
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| 08:24.30 | uncategorized | anyone know of an app that allows me to download my text messages (mms messages as well) |
| 08:25.09 | Lieutenant | wow |
| 08:26.07 | Lieutenant | something is wrong lol. i hit "deny" on the SuperUser app, and i still got the # when i typed "su" in terminal emulator |
| 08:26.59 | JesusFreke | heh. that's not good |
| 08:27.08 | JesusFreke | lemme install it and try it |
| 08:28.25 | Lieutenant | k this is what i did. |
| 08:28.32 | Lieutenant | i typed "su" then i hit "allow" |
| 08:29.29 | Lieutenant | then when the # came up, i type su again, and superuser came back up and asked to allow, i hit NO. then terminal emulator said "su: permission denied" but the next line was a # instead of a $ |
| 08:30.03 | JesusFreke | yeah, that's normal |
| 08:30.24 | JesusFreke | su won't downgrade your permissions if you already have root |
| 08:30.41 | Lieutenant | so if i allow it once, and deny it the second time, an app will still have access? |
| 08:31.04 | JesusFreke | it depends on if the app "keeps" the access from the first time |
| 08:31.10 | tmzt | if the app or proccess it starts already has root, it won't lose it |
| 08:31.15 | Lieutenant | oh okay. |
| 08:31.17 | JesusFreke | exactly |
| 08:31.48 | uncategorized | anyone receive an error message about pictures being too large or not compatible when sending a picture message to a cingular customer on a razor? |
| 08:31.51 | tmzt | another app running as the unprivladged user will need to run su and be accepted though |
| 08:31.58 | uncategorized | i am selecting the "automatically resize" option |
| 08:32.05 | tmzt | not like sudo, which can allow repeated access from the same tty/vty |
| 08:32.15 | offby1 | uncategorized: you're probably the only person on the planet who's ever done exactly that |
| 08:32.20 | Lieutenant | i've got that message "too large" but that was when iwas sending itto my sisters G1, |
| 08:32.29 | Lieutenant | the picture sizes are just too big for mms period. |
| 08:32.45 | spikebike | uncategorized: heh, yeah I've had failures before, usually without errors |
| 08:32.56 | spikebike | i.e. I send, looks like it worked, but they get a blank message |
| 08:33.17 | uncategorized | yeah, they are receiving a message with an error message. :( |
| 08:33.50 | Lieutenant | wow, i keep getting this gay red flag alert from weatherbug on my phone saying "there are fire conditions or will be fire conditions very soon" |
| 08:34.05 | Lieutenant | i keep hitting "ok" but it keeps coming up, gosh this program is annoying |
| 08:34.50 | Lieutenant | oh wait, its a "red flag warning" |
| 08:36.04 | Lieutenant | i can't wait till that one guy makes that G1 garage opener app. :) |
| 08:36.37 | Lieutenant | but sadly i wont be hooking my garage door to the internet :S |
| 08:36.48 | Lieutenant | i can't think of a more random combination. |
| 08:37.21 | d03boy | what is a good button height |
| 08:37.26 | d03boy | im not sure because I don tactually have a phone |
| 08:37.28 | spikebike | not so random when you are sitting outside a locked garage door |
| 08:38.18 | Lieutenant | well i'm pretty sure you'd have a garage door opener in your car since you are going to be parking the car inside it. lol |
| 08:38.22 | uncategorized | seems like many have issues: http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f7/sent-picture-messages-6308/ |
| 08:40.00 | DarkriftX | adb devices isnt showing anything. dmesg and lsusb are both showing the g1, and the sd is not mounted. is there anything else im missing? |
| 08:40.56 | Lieutenant | is anyone working on skins? |
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| 08:49.39 | tmzt | DarkriftX: what does lsusb -v -v show for g1? |
| 08:50.24 | DarkriftX | quite a lot |
| 08:50.29 | DarkriftX | anything in particular i should look for? |
| 08:51.57 | DarkriftX | it seems to show as mass storage, even though i havent used the mount command on the g1 |
| 09:01.17 | Lieutenant | with the screenshot app, i get error: Screenshot.raw file not found |
| 09:01.21 | Lieutenant | anyone know whats wrong? |
| 09:08.24 | offby1 | maybe you don't have root? The intro screen says in giant letters "You have to have root access for this to work!!" |
| 09:11.37 | Lieutenant | i do have root |
| 09:11.42 | Lieutenant | well last i remember i had root lol. |
| 09:14.53 | Lieutenant | hm |
| 09:15.02 | Lieutenant | i know why it didn't work |
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| 09:15.25 | JesusFreke | why's that? |
| 09:15.29 | Lieutenant | i had to type: mount -o rw,remount -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system into terminal emulator first |
| 09:15.49 | Lieutenant | thats gay, the program should do that itself |
| 09:16.15 | JesusFreke | really? |
| 09:16.18 | JesusFreke | that's weird |
| 09:16.27 | tmzt | you probably have to echo something to /sys also |
| 09:16.43 | JesusFreke | it shouldn't require write access to system at all |
| 09:16.53 | JesusFreke | probably an unintentional bug |
| 09:17.07 | tmzt | oh, sorry, thought that was DarkriftX |
| 09:17.30 | tmzt | where is it saving the Screenshot.raw? |
| 09:17.41 | DarkriftX | i finally got adb working by unplugging and replugging the g1 in a few times |
| 09:17.55 | Lieutenant | i dont know about all that echo stuff, but what i do know is, before i typed that mount string, i kept getting that error, so i opened terminal emulator and typed that mount string (because that was the only option i had lol) and it worked. |
| 09:18.10 | Lieutenant | maybe it WAS just a bug, lemme restart my phone so the mount string will go away. |
| 09:18.30 | tmzt | I meant the echo to DarkriftX, to change his usb function |
| 09:18.35 | d03boy | i cant get this piece of crap layout right |
| 09:19.17 | DarkriftX | someone here offered to do the layout for you i think |
| 09:19.26 | Lieutenant | it wasn't me. |
| 09:19.53 | DarkriftX | i remember someone saying they would, and i vaguely remember seeing screenshots of a demo irc layout |
| 09:20.23 | DarkriftX | or i might be hallucinating due to lack of sleep |
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| 09:20.38 | Lieutenant | maybe the screenshot u saw was from http://ircell.org/ ?? |
| 09:20.41 | d03boy | you're hallucinating |
| 09:20.47 | Lieutenant | and u just combined those two moments together lol |
| 09:20.50 | d03boy | Lieutenant, no screenshots on there :) |
| 09:21.23 | Lieutenant | oh |
| 09:21.30 | Lieutenant | well that cancels that out. |
| 09:22.34 | Lieutenant | darkriftx, what were u talkin about? |
| 09:22.38 | Lieutenant | i just restarted my phone |
| 09:22.46 | Lieutenant | typed su into terminal emulator |
| 09:22.52 | Lieutenant | and superuser popped up |
| 09:23.19 | DarkriftX | i saw someone mention they were good at the design part and offered to do that for someone and i saw screenshots. they said they werent good with the code part |
| 09:23.35 | DarkriftX | might have been a different irc project, but i did see screenshots of the main area, nicklist, channel tabs etc :S |
| 09:24.10 | DarkriftX | i need sleep, but im halfway through the debian "install" |
| 09:24.16 | DarkriftX | just wish i knew why im getting an error |
| 09:25.52 | Lieutenant | yeah, this time i didn't have to type mount, and it worked |
| 09:25.55 | Lieutenant | musta been a lil glitch |
| 09:26.43 | tmzt | if it remounted readonly, there might be a problem/corruption, check dmesg or log* |
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| 09:27.23 | tmzt | DarkriftX: what is the error? su? |
| 09:27.46 | DarkriftX | insmod $kit/ext2.ko gives me "not found" |
| 09:28.04 | DarkriftX | ive tried full path, running that from the folder with the ext2.ko and anything else i could think of |
| 09:28.20 | tmzt | what instructions are you using? |
| 09:28.27 | DarkriftX | the original |
| 09:28.31 | tmzt | and the not found is probably insmod, to the .ko |
| 09:28.33 | tmzt | not |
| 09:28.34 | DarkriftX | http://www.saurik.com/id/10 |
| 09:28.48 | DarkriftX | ahhhh |
| 09:28.49 | tmzt | is it bash: not found? |
| 09:28.53 | DarkriftX | no |
| 09:29.00 | DarkriftX | insmod: module 'ext2.ko' not found |
| 09:29.17 | DarkriftX | that was ran in the folder that ext2.ko is in |
| 09:29.31 | tmzt | what is echo $kit ? |
| 09:29.33 | DarkriftX | ive used full path using tab auto complete |
| 09:29.45 | DarkriftX | $kit = /sdcard/debian |
| 09:30.23 | DarkriftX | insmod: module '/sdcard/debian/ext2.ko' not found |
| 09:30.38 | tmzt | ls -lh shows it to be there? |
| 09:30.45 | DarkriftX | ----rw-rw- 1 1000 1000 786633 Nov 30 08:25 /sdcard/debian/ext2.ko |
| 09:30.55 | tmzt | id |
| 09:30.59 | DarkriftX | root |
| 09:31.00 | DarkriftX | 0 |
| 09:31.10 | Lieutenant | someone should really find a way to make the phone louder! |
| 09:31.46 | d03boy | you'd probably have to clip the sound |
| 09:31.58 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:31.59 | tmzt | insmod: can't read 'junk': No such file or directory |
| 09:32.09 | tmzt | what insmod are you using? |
| 09:32.17 | DarkriftX | insmod: module 'test' not found |
| 09:32.19 | DarkriftX | busybox |
| 09:32.23 | DarkriftX | which is what it says to use |
| 09:32.30 | tmzt | try busybox test |
| 09:32.33 | DarkriftX | im using jf's 1.2 which comes with it |
| 09:32.52 | DarkriftX | insmod: module 'test' not found |
| 09:33.01 | tmzt | sorry? |
| 09:33.07 | tmzt | can you run 'busybox test' |
| 09:33.10 | tmzt | wait |
| 09:33.15 | tmzt | 'busybox junk' |
| 09:33.25 | DarkriftX | junk: applet not found |
| 09:33.39 | tmzt | ok |
| 09:33.42 | DarkriftX | im in busybox sh |
| 09:33.58 | tmzt | try it in the same directory, don't use a path |
| 09:34.04 | DarkriftX | i have been |
| 09:34.10 | DarkriftX | i tried "insmod ext<tab>" |
| 09:34.19 | DarkriftX | which auto completed the filename for me and gave same error |
| 09:34.21 | tmzt | try busybox insmod ext2.ko |
| 09:34.25 | Lieutenant | how do i know if i am using jf's 1.2? |
| 09:34.39 | DarkriftX | sdcard/debian # busybox insmod ext2.ko |
| 09:34.39 | DarkriftX | insmod: module 'ext2.ko' not found |
| 09:35.07 | DarkriftX | i used adb push to put the files there, are the permissions correct? |
| 09:35.10 | tmzt | cat ext2.ko > /dev/null |
| 09:35.15 | DarkriftX | ----rw-rw- |
| 09:35.26 | tmzt | no, but I don't think root cares |
| 09:35.27 | DarkriftX | holy jesus |
| 09:35.30 | tmzt | cat ext2.ko > /dev/null |
| 09:35.35 | DarkriftX | thx... taht was loud lol |
| 09:35.38 | DarkriftX | woke me up |
| 09:35.48 | DarkriftX | killed my adb shell |
| 09:35.51 | tmzt | you didn't do /dev/dsp I hope |
| 09:35.58 | DarkriftX | no, dev/null |
| 09:36.09 | tmzt | no error? |
| 09:36.13 | DarkriftX | locked up |
| 09:36.22 | DarkriftX | ctrl c gave me prompt |
| 09:36.33 | tmzt | dma issues? I didn't think g1 had those |
| 09:36.35 | tmzt | oh |
| 09:36.43 | DarkriftX | lestrlenmem_map__mark_inode_dirtygeneric_file_llseekmake_bad_inode__breadmark_buffer_dirty_inode__aeabi_idivmodext2_add_linksb_min_blocksizeget_seconds__kmallociget_failed_find_next_zero_bit_lekmem_cache_destroy/sdcard/debian # 1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c1;2c |
| 09:36.49 | DarkriftX | thats the last 3 lines of what was echoed |
| 09:37.43 | tmzt | how did JesusFreke compile it? |
| 09:38.06 | DarkriftX | not sure, JesusFreke? |
| 09:38.06 | tmzt | the aeabi_idivmod thing looks bad |
| 09:38.42 | DarkriftX | you mean busybox or the .ko file? |
| 09:38.48 | tmzt | busybox |
| 09:38.54 | JesusFreke | saurik did |
| 09:39.07 | DarkriftX | yeah, i thought he was using the one saurik had on his page |
| 09:39.13 | tmzt | try loading wlan.ko |
| 09:39.38 | DarkriftX | where is it? |
| 09:39.39 | tmzt | doesn't android have an insmod for wlan? |
| 09:39.49 | tmzt | /system/lib I think |
| 09:40.13 | DarkriftX | system/lib/modules # insmod wlan.ko |
| 09:40.13 | DarkriftX | insmod: module 'wlan.ko' not found |
| 09:40.28 | DarkriftX | so its the insmod thats having the problem :S |
| 09:40.34 | tmzt | yes |
| 09:40.44 | tmzt | what does the firewall script use? |
| 09:40.56 | tmzt | the "teather" one |
| 09:40.59 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 09:41.06 | DarkriftX | killed the busybox sh and ran it and it worked :S |
| 09:41.24 | tmzt | yes, or you should be able to use /system/bin/insmod |
| 09:41.33 | tmzt | busybox sh will use busybox applets first |
| 09:41.44 | DarkriftX | his instructions say to |
| 09:41.45 | tmzt | unless you use a path |
| 09:41.57 | DarkriftX | oh, that was for mknod |
| 09:42.00 | DarkriftX | i misread :S |
| 09:42.10 | swetland | the insmod in toolbox needs a full path |
| 09:42.39 | tmzt | you can use busybox mknod instead from the default shell (whatever that is) |
| 09:42.43 | tmzt | hey, swetland |
| 09:42.45 | swetland | (or for the module to be in the current directory) |
| 09:42.47 | swetland | 'evening |
| 09:43.14 | tmzt | who would know if MSMFB_BLIT is needed after writing to /dev/fb0 with mmap? |
| 09:43.35 | d03boy | can anyone explain to me how the UI weights work? |
| 09:43.40 | swetland | believe that's the ioctl for memory to memory blits |
| 09:43.53 | swetland | I believe you do need to do something to kick the screen after writing to it |
| 09:43.59 | tmzt | we can't get X fbdev to work on the other msm phones |
| 09:44.08 | swetland | since we don't continuously dma to the panel controller, only on demand |
| 09:44.14 | tmzt | but cat /dev/urandom > /dev/fb0 does work |
| 09:45.20 | swetland | you're probably going to have to modify X or modify the driver |
| 09:45.47 | swetland | we generally do page flipping by adjusting the pan |
| 09:45.50 | tmzt | right, we are going to make a testfb program then make SDL work I think, then get an X ddx just for msm |
| 09:45.55 | swetland | but I believe there's an ioctl to just ask for a refresh |
| 09:46.02 | swetland | without panning |
| 09:46.20 | swetland | look at the minui stuff in recovery |
| 09:46.24 | tmzt | if we ever get offscreen pixmaps, that would be helpful |
| 09:46.26 | tmzt | oh |
| 09:46.38 | swetland | it has some code for blasting stuff to the fb device, page flipping, etc |
| 09:46.58 | tmzt | alot easier than deciphering base.git libs/ui |
| 09:47.30 | swetland | there's code in the surfaceflinger for that as well |
| 09:47.38 | swetland | but I think it's a bit more subtle |
| 09:48.00 | swetland | you probably will want to wire up the BLIT ioctl to do hw assisted 2d blits |
| 09:48.15 | tmzt | what are the G* things, like GGLContext versus EGLContext, even in minui |
| 09:48.18 | DarkriftX | wow |
| 09:48.21 | DarkriftX | debian up and running |
| 09:48.21 | swetland | in particular the hw can do rotates a *lot* faster than software |
| 09:48.22 | DarkriftX | thats nice |
| 09:48.27 | swetland | tmzt: pixelflinger |
| 09:48.46 | DarkriftX | loves his apt-get |
| 09:48.47 | swetland | pixelflinger implements the rasterization side of a software gl system |
| 09:49.00 | tmzt | used on emulator also? |
| 09:49.05 | swetland | yup |
| 09:49.36 | DarkriftX | thx for the troubleshooting tmzt |
| 09:49.37 | tmzt | that explains the BootAnimation working on there without any gpu |
| 09:49.37 | tmzt | ok |
| 09:49.37 | swetland | pixelflinger is also used by surfaceflinger to do combine ops the hw can't do |
| 09:49.47 | swetland | for example, the MDP on MSM7K cannot do premultiplied alpha |
| 09:50.15 | kRutOn | i miss pixel shaders |
| 09:50.23 | tmzt | are there any binary components involved in gpu or just pmem? |
| 09:50.25 | swetland | in minui, I used it as a simple sw blit engine and to do the (cheesy) text drawing |
| 09:50.31 | ttuttle | swetland: good evening |
| 09:50.46 | swetland | for the gpu on 7k you need libhgl.so with is the hw openglES library |
| 09:50.54 | swetland | we get that from qualcomm binary-only |
| 09:51.00 | swetland | heya ttuttle |
| 09:51.17 | tmzt | I guess it only uses pmem underneath then? |
| 09:51.26 | swetland | it uses hw3d |
| 09:51.26 | ttuttle | swetland: how's it going? |
| 09:51.35 | swetland | well. been slacking all week. |
| 09:51.40 | ttuttle | swetland: heh. |
| 09:51.45 | tmzt | ok, software will be enough for now, thanks |
| 09:51.53 | swetland | hw3d provides access to the gpu register space and some contig memory regions the gpu needs |
| 09:52.20 | swetland | we're working on some better abstraction for hw 3d support |
| 09:52.31 | tmzt | I'm sure gallium would like that, but I wouldn't know where to start |
| 09:52.32 | swetland | and will move the msm7k stuff to that |
| 09:52.44 | tmzt | I was impressed with the lowlevel work on ps3 though |
| 09:52.45 | swetland | which will make it easier to support other hw 3d chipsets |
| 09:53.00 | ttuttle | swetland: /me is thoroughky enjoying his dogfooding experience these days. |
| 09:53.01 | swetland | and easier for non-surfaceflinger stuff to use 'em as well |
| 09:53.06 | ttuttle | * thoroughly |
| 09:53.38 | tmzt | is binder all that's needed to be a surfaceflinger client? |
| 09:54.15 | swetland | I *think* so |
| 09:54.26 | swetland | that's more mathias territory |
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| 09:54.59 | swetland | actually that's how I'd approach doing X |
| 09:55.13 | swetland | make it a client of surfaceflinger |
| 09:55.25 | tmzt | we should be able to get recovery.git/minui on other msm's then, maybe with some path changes as it uses mdev paths |
| 09:55.54 | swetland | (if you want it to coexist with android stuff) |
| 09:56.10 | tmzt | right, but we want an upstream kernel working too, but for people who want X/chroot or vnc on their g1 with android rootfs |
| 09:56.20 | swetland | yeah, certainly |
| 09:56.54 | FreeSoul | Hi guys! i've a few questions: if i'm not wrong android runs over a linux kernel (2.6.18?). This means it can run on x86 arch too? Somewhere I read it is just for ARM but sounds senseless to me... running on top of a linux kernel also means that all drivers are provided by the kernel or I can hope android brings some drivers too? |
| 09:57.01 | swetland | I suppose what you'd *really* want is a fancier X server that backed X windows by android windowmanager windows, though some apps would probably be highly confused by the policy implemented by the windowmanager |
| 09:57.29 | swetland | android currently runs on 2.6.25 or later kernels. backporting would be a bit of a pain. |
| 09:58.05 | tmzt | binder might work on x86 though, I thought someone tried it but I don't remember |
| 09:58.12 | swetland | the source tree does not quite build for x86 native platforms yet, but there is work to get that in there (build system cleanup, and conditionalizing around some arm-specific bits) |
| 09:58.25 | swetland | tmzt: it does, as does the adb gadget driver, ashmem, etc |
| 09:58.48 | tmzt | not too many usb gadgets, maybe some embedded boards |
| 09:58.52 | swetland | most of the "generic" android drivers are not arm-specific and should work on most linux devices |
| 09:59.16 | swetland | s/devices/supported architectures/ |
| 09:59.58 | tmzt | recovery.git doesn't use hw3d at all? I think that's what you were saying. |
| 10:00.09 | swetland | that is true |
| 10:00.16 | swetland | it doesn't even use the 2d hw blit stuff |
| 10:00.45 | FreeSoul | swetland: thanks! An other questions: I'd like android to run on my Benq MID S6, that runs atom Cpu. Do you think it may be possible? or at least in the future? At the moment vanilla kernel is still missing drivers and the only one avialable (as far as I know) are the one included in Midinux that comes as default OS. Thanks |
| 10:00.46 | tmzt | DarkriftX: I don't know what the point of ext2 in a loop file on vfat sd card is? |
| 10:01.30 | tmzt | FreeSoul: the one thing about midinux is the closed video driver |
| 10:01.35 | swetland | freesoul: just depends on somebody putting some effort into things. "it's all just software" as the hw guys love telling me ^^ |
| 10:02.03 | FreeSoul | tmzt: yes :( I have the source code but it's for x.org 1.3 |
| 10:02.16 | swetland | one of our engineers got android running on eee pc and some other small x86 targets. that's the source of the x86 support we're getting merged into the tree |
| 10:02.22 | tmzt | FreeSoul: which would be hard to adapt from a X ddx to whatever android/surfaceflinger/etc. wants |
| 10:02.38 | FreeSoul | swetland: yeah... how not :( It's really sad to read that hw makes are not providing (updated) drivers for everyone |
| 10:03.49 | FreeSoul | tmzt: sorry, do you mean that even with the source of Midinux drivers it would be really hard or that would be easy? (as far as i know it's quite hard) |
| 10:04.24 | tmzt | FreeSoul: if you have the source for paulsbo video, I just thought that was binary from what I've read about the ubuntu project for those devices |
| 10:05.01 | tmzt | FreeSoul: I guess if there is a framebuffer driver (source), it could be modified to work with the software rendering we were talking about |
| 10:05.59 | FreeSoul | tmzt: at ubuntu mobile they just get bored by sw license without reading it. When i bought Benq Mid S6 it comes with a DVD with full source code of all drivers, and they are done for kernel 2.6.28.2 by intel and they all seems to be under GPL terms. |
| 10:06.06 | tmzt | sorry, was just not sure what you meant by drivers only being in midunix |
| 10:06.36 | tmzt | that's cool |
| 10:06.39 | FreeSoul | ooops, kernel is versions 2.6.28.1 |
| 10:06.42 | FreeSoul | ooops, kernel is versions 2.6.28.2 |
| 10:08.35 | FreeSoul | tmzt: i spent a couple fo days to make all changes i need to my benq mid.... now i've terminal in gui and so on but it's not a real os as a linux user wants. It's closed and I can't install software... midinux is not realeasing updates and so on.... I'm in contact with benq mid product manager and he is just giving hope of somewhat future realease.... how not! This is way I can't wait to run a real os on it! |
| 10:09.21 | tmzt | FreeSoul: is it running from squashfs or something? |
| 10:09.35 | tmzt | FreeSoul: I mean, what do you mean you can't install software? |
| 10:12.04 | tmzt | swetland: I get it, you use the offset in the framebuffer to change the active screen? |
| 10:12.15 | FreeSoul | tmzt: as I could discovered Midinux is derived froma Fedora (with some nasty suse 10.2 libraries) so there' yum packet manager but midinux puts some limitations: repositories it's using are not standard one, so yum can just find tons of dependcies problems and often they are conficting with the midinux installed libraries and the window manager that midinux comes with is not standard. I installed both opera and skype but they can't |
| 10:13.55 | FreeSoul | benq informed me that they are gonna release (when??) an sdk for benq mid.... that is senseless up to me. It's not an iPhone! it should just run a somewhat standard linux distribution. It just need a decent window manager to handle the 800x480 screen resolution. nothing else |
| 10:14.48 | tmzt | FreeSoul: you run as user but can sudo as root? |
| 10:15.17 | FreeSoul | tmzt: do you really think they make me run things as user? Anything runs as root. |
| 10:15.40 | FreeSoul | probably they have never seen a linux os before.... |
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| 10:19.38 | d03boy | i simply cant imagine how eclipse is using 300MB of ram |
| 10:19.56 | some-other-choop | eclipse is a ramsuck |
| 10:19.58 | d03boy | I miss the old non-bloated version |
| 10:21.31 | some-other-choop | no matter what you do, avoid aptana like the plague |
| 10:22.07 | some-other-choop | it bloats eclipse even further |
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| 10:23.09 | d03boy | this piece of crap is to the point of being non-responsive |
| 10:23.35 | joeyjones | some-other-choop: like add-ons in firefox? :p |
| 10:23.35 | FreeSoul | tmzt: what can we do? |
| 10:24.10 | tmzt | I would say take the parts you need and use them on something else (another distro), but that's a lot of work |
| 10:24.10 | some-other-choop | joeyjones - yeah some firefox addons are horrible that way too |
| 10:24.27 | joeyjones | i stick to under 5 add-ons for firefox :p |
| 10:24.49 | tmzt | my understanding of mid is it builds the os image as a whole (at least ubuntu mobile) |
| 10:25.30 | d03boy | is it possible that running new android programs could be causing this slowdown? do I have to end previous processes or does it do it on its own |
| 10:25.51 | FreeSoul | tmzt: yes, this is why I hope a day I'll can put android on the mid.... problems are drivers that are not in the vanilla kernel... |
| 10:26.06 | tmzt | well, what drivers? |
| 10:26.35 | FreeSoul | tmzt: video, wifi, g-sensor, scrollpad |
| 10:27.27 | FreeSoul | ok i can leave without scrollpad :) but i need poulsbo to work and the same for wifi |
| 10:27.33 | tmzt | basic vesa or intel video don't work? |
| 10:27.39 | tmzt | what is wifi? |
| 10:28.56 | FreeSoul | sure, vega works... at the wrong resolution and it mean no 3d acceleration or decent video decoding. wifi, is wireless networking... i don't remember what wireless card it has built in. Ah, there's 3G HSDPA module to support too :) |
| 10:29.35 | tmzt | 3g might be easier, like it might be on usb host |
| 10:29.48 | FreeSoul | tmzt: yes, i suspect yes |
| 10:31.02 | some-other-choop | dang i need a sync app for my g1 |
| 10:31.13 | tmzt | I don't know if ubuntu's pbo supports your, I also don't know how to try it without wiping everything out |
| 10:31.29 | some-other-choop | i'm running tiger, not leopard, so the iSync to google function doesn't exist |
| 10:32.34 | FreeSoul | tmzt: the driver is the same and at ubuntu they are still missing it. Wiping the os is not a porblem, on the dvd there's an utility to make an install usb image. It's a pleasure to boot from usb :) |
| 10:33.09 | tmzt | oh, it's not in the apt repos, even as binary? I don't understand |
| 10:33.19 | tmzt | like xserver-xorg-video-pbo |
| 10:33.28 | d03boy | alright. So I have my layout "done" |
| 10:33.34 | FreeSoul | tmzt: i think no.. at least last time i checked :) |
| 10:36.26 | d03boy | sleepy time |
| 10:36.44 | FreeSoul | tmzt: you are right: xserver-xorg-video-psb |
| 10:37.08 | tmzt | you could chroot a debian intrepid and try that |
| 10:37.18 | tmzt | you need a lot of space though |
| 10:37.33 | FreeSoul | tmzt: yep.... mid has just 2GB hdd |
| 10:37.36 | tmzt | does it need a kernel module loaded? |
| 10:37.55 | FreeSoul | tmzt: I don't know, I'm a fedora user... but i suspect yes |
| 10:38.07 | tmzt | does your have one, I guess I mean |
| 10:38.23 | tmzt | particularly, /dev/dri0 or /dev/card/dri0 or something like that |
| 10:38.49 | FreeSoul | i think yes I should check |
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| 11:12.42 | fnord_ | hm |
| 11:38.49 | Gary|tp | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=2977976&postcount=10 |
| 11:38.55 | Gary|tp | I'm not wrong on that, am I? |
| 11:39.14 | Gary|tp | or are they doing something extremely stupid by doing sha1(size + name) |
| 11:39.44 | Gary|tp | I honestly can't think of any reason to do that tbh unless you don't give a shit about security and absolutely need the speed, which they don't |
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| 12:03.08 | f00bar80 | while to run this android app i got the following error http://pastebin.com/d7ac41a46 , i tried android-dev but now one answered me , any comment ? |
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| 12:18.49 | f00bar80 | ppl any comment ? |
| 12:20.13 | fnord_ | Code error |
| 12:20.25 | fnord_ | The app tried to do something to nothing :P |
| 12:21.42 | fnord_ | Gary|tp, are you serious? |
| 12:21.55 | Gary|tp | I don't know |
| 12:22.06 | Gary|tp | apparently they think that the SHA checksums are just file names/size |
| 12:22.16 | Gary|tp | I don't believe it but need to be sure lol |
| 12:22.17 | fnord_ | Basically....any file in update.zip, including update script? |
| 12:22.25 | fnord_ | Wellllllll hmm |
| 12:22.35 | fnord_ | how is the size specified? |
| 12:22.59 | fnord_ | It's all one string? No nullspace between them? |
| 12:23.43 | Gary|tp | like I said I DOUBT that's how they're checksum'd... |
| 12:24.00 | fnord_ | Ahhh |
| 12:24.08 | fnord_ | Would be funny :P |
| 12:24.17 | Gary|tp | yeah |
| 12:24.39 | Gary|tp | I mean, it's possible. they left a root shell in the background after all :P. but it'd be incredibly stupid design |
| 12:25.17 | fnord_ | Yeah, the open console wasn't stupidity |
| 12:26.13 | Gary|tp | They just forgot to remove it from debugging probably |
| 12:26.35 | Gary|tp | this would require them actually thinking that designing it like this would be smart/safe |
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| 12:30.30 | skbohra | hi folks |
| 12:32.20 | skbohra | I need help |
| 12:32.26 | skbohra | anybody there? |
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| 12:33.23 | Gary|tp | no |
| 12:33.41 | skbohra | :) |
| 12:33.51 | skbohra | ok |
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| 12:37.50 | fnord_ | [0:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/rc30% tail -3 META-INF/MANIFEST.MF |
| 12:37.50 | fnord_ | Name: system/framework/input.jar |
| 12:37.50 | fnord_ | SHA1-Digest: kzkNXsPTfG1UZl2eB01IelVFqOQ= |
| 12:37.50 | fnord_ | [0:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/rc30% ls -l system/framework/input.jar |
| 12:37.50 | fnord_ | -rw-r--r-- 1 Kyf None 345 Oct 31 19:04 system/framework/input.jar |
| 12:37.51 | fnord_ | [0:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/rc30% perl -e '$file="system/framework/input.jar";$size="345"; use Digest::SHA1 qw(sha1);;use MIME::Base64;$size=length $file; print encode_base64(sha1("$file$size"))."\n".encode_base64(sha1("$size$file"))."\n";' |
| 12:37.55 | fnord_ | dJY9makirYpmbpDFqj6jO8kc6PI= |
| 12:37.57 | fnord_ | zs8fILM3HMvEyZYnnc97OsSDVC4= |
| 12:38.03 | fnord_ | Gary|tp, not that dumb :P |
| 12:38.30 | fnord_ | Wait. I'm dumb too, hold on |
| 12:38.52 | fnord_ | 2Yjq1VGR0BHqlX6eWI5iJjwhqAE= |
| 12:38.52 | fnord_ | dOdw+4qE2zPhxslcDIs0PlPs5EQ= |
| 12:38.52 | fnord_ | yeah |
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| 12:41.54 | fnord_ | [0:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/rc30% perl -e 'binmode STDIN;($file)=<STDIN>; use Digest::SHA1 qw(sha1);;use MIME::Base64; print encode_base64(sha1("$file$size"))."\n".encode_base64(sha1("$file"))."\n";' < system/framework/input.jar |
| 12:41.54 | fnord_ | kzkNXsPTfG1UZl2eB01IelVFqOQ= |
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| 12:46.00 | Gary|tp | fnord_: that should have printed two lines :P ? |
| 12:46.21 | fnord_ | I didn't paste the second one |
| 12:46.24 | Gary|tp | and would $file be the name or the actual contents (I don't know perl) |
| 12:46.32 | fnord_ | kzkNXsPTfG1UZl2eB01IelVFqOQ= there ya go |
| 12:46.42 | Gary|tp | that's the one you posted before |
| 12:47.00 | fnord_ | The second script is base64 sha1 of the actual file's contents |
| 12:47.33 | fnord_ | So yeah, not as easy as one would think :P |
| 12:47.54 | Gary|tp | okay you're not making sense |
| 12:48.00 | Gary|tp | [06:41] <fnord_> [0:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/rc30% perl -e 'binmode STDIN;($file)=<STDIN>; use Digest::SHA1 qw(sha1);;use MIME::Base64; print encode_base64(sha1("$file$size"))."\n".encode_base64(sha1("$file"))."\n";' < system/framework/input.jar |
| 12:48.04 | Gary|tp | should print two lines |
| 12:48.07 | Gary|tp | you've only pasted one |
| 12:48.19 | fnord_ | <fnord_> I didn't paste the second one |
| 12:48.22 | Gary|tp | and is $file the file name or file contents |
| 12:48.23 | fnord_ | Indeed :P |
| 12:48.33 | fnord_ | contents |
| 12:48.48 | Gary|tp | so |
| 12:48.58 | Gary|tp | which one is kzkNXsPTfG1UZl2eB01IelVFqOQ= |
| 12:49.03 | Gary|tp | $file or $file$size? |
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| 12:49.29 | fnord_ | $size was nothing, so they're the same |
| 12:49.54 | Gary|tp | okay, so I was right :P |
| 12:49.55 | Gary|tp | thanks |
| 12:50.12 | fnord_ | That was a case of me just not removing extra crud after rewriting the script :P |
| 12:50.24 | Gary|tp | yeah, heh |
| 12:51.10 | fnord_ | can't get a build of perl smaller than 1.3 megs =[ |
| 12:51.41 | fnord_ | I was hoping to include microperl in a modified recovery image, to do post-install stuff, but yeh |
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| 13:29.25 | cjordan | hi |
| 13:29.43 | Leeds | I've decided I'd like to see the LED blinking when I'm doing data transfer over mounted USB... because treating my phone as a very very expensive microSD card reader seems sensible :-) |
| 13:35.52 | Gary|tp | lol |
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| 14:23.58 | pluto79 | hi everyone, i have the g1 and i am using it with a local german sim card. i have an issue with the SMSC, getting over 50sms because there is a wrong smsc hardcoded |
| 14:24.37 | pluto79 | my question, where can i change the SMSC ?, do i need some app from the market because i could not find it in the os |
| 14:25.32 | pluto79 | hopefully someone can give me a hint, i am looking for this fix since one week |
| 14:26.52 | pluto79 | and sorry for my english |
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| 14:30.28 | pluto79 | is it possible to change the smsc via AT commands ? |
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| 15:13.02 | Dialekt | maybe i should go android |
| 15:13.06 | Dialekt | but what's so good/bad about it? |
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| 15:17.56 | budwaa | anyone know where I can find docs on how to disable/enable system settings in android. Like if i wanted to turn wifi off etc/ |
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| 15:30.25 | savid | How do I make a view that looks like a dialog box that blurs out the background? I want to make this the main view of my application... |
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| 15:46.45 | Disconnect | IznastY: seriously. turn off the away announcer. nobody gives a fuck. |
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| 15:46.56 | budwaa | how do I access methods from a static object like android.content.Context; |
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| 15:47.24 | budwaa | I want to use Context.getSystemService(Context.WIFI_SERVICE) to create a wifimanager object |
| 15:48.02 | budwaa | Maybe i need an instance of Context but it has no constructor method... |
| 15:48.31 | jbq | There are context objects easily available. Activity is a Context, as well as Service. And IIRC a Context is passed as a parameter in a Receiver's onReceive(). |
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| 15:49.16 | budwaa | So i could do this.getSystemService from onCreate? |
| 15:49.38 | budwaa | I just was to write a simple app to get wifi state and display it. |
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| 15:49.42 | budwaa | want* |
| 15:50.36 | jbq | budwaa: I believe so, yes. |
| 15:55.18 | budwaa | jbq the app crashes when i try and access the wifiManager object. |
| 15:55.51 | jbq | budwaa: sadly I don't know the details of the wifi manager (and I specifically do not know whether apps are allowed to access it). |
| 15:56.24 | jbq | Sorry I've got to go, plenty of stuff to do... |
| 15:56.27 | budwaa | ah, ok |
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| 15:58.14 | mikey| | budwaa: what exception does it throw? |
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| 16:00.27 | mikey| | bbl |
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| 16:01.34 | budwaa | mikey|: Trying to work out an easy way to display the message...Im not yet too familiar with android, cant use the debugger yet either :D |
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| 16:06.21 | infernix | hm |
| 16:06.37 | infernix | there's no way to figure out the firmware version without signing into a google account, is there? |
| 16:13.03 | mikey| | budwaa: go to settings->apps->development->usb debugging |
| 16:14.00 | mikey| | then install the driver and it should show Log messages in the logcat window |
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| 16:19.15 | budwaa | mikey|: ive been using the emulator to test. |
| 16:20.09 | mikey| | switch to ddms view when running the app on the emulator and look at the logcat tab |
| 16:20.14 | mikey| | or add it if it isnt there |
| 16:27.28 | budwaa | mikey|: can i print to the logcaT? |
| 16:28.24 | mikey| | yeah, check android log class |
| 16:28.27 | budwaa | mikey|: I think its a security issue. Dont haver permission |
| 16:28.34 | budwaa | 11-30 16:24:19.007: ERROR/AndroidRuntime(285): Caused by: java.lang.SecurityException: WifiService: Neither user 10017 nor current process has android.permission.ACCESS_WIFI_STATE. |
| 16:28.48 | mikey| | you need to add that to androidManifest.xml |
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| 16:29.26 | mikey| | why cant i send text messages from my g1? o.o |
| 16:29.30 | mikey| | every message fails |
| 16:29.55 | snadge | thats about the only thing i can do with my g1 ;) |
| 16:29.59 | Disconnect | reboot it. mine goes crappy that way too periodically. |
| 16:30.12 | budwaa | anyone elses desktop icons dissapear sometimes? |
| 16:30.33 | snadge | i want to know how to register with google.. without usin ga t-mobile sim |
| 16:31.03 | snadge | i have someone elses email address on mine :/ |
| 16:31.11 | snadge | the lady who sold it to me |
| 16:32.02 | snadge | someone on here mentioned its possible |
| 16:32.39 | mikey| | ok, still cant send it, post reboot |
| 16:33.32 | Disconnect | snadge: http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=g1+activate+without+tmobile+sim |
| 16:34.14 | Disconnect | mikey|: reword it maybe. not sure whats going on. (although if you are near a pc, hit it with logcat and see whats happening. it always bites me when i'm on the road and need to send -now-) |
| 16:34.35 | mikey| | just when teh food arrives :( |
| 16:34.54 | Disconnect | wasn't able to send one until he removed "dumb bitch" although that may have been coincidental :/ |
| 16:35.30 | mikey| | well, mine has a url in it |
| 16:35.36 | mikey| | my mate wanted to see my presentation |
| 16:36.07 | mikey| | so i wrote go to http://some-long-address...../File.swf (match file case) |
| 16:36.54 | Disconnect | dunno. i know it doesn't work on occasion and then works on others. maybe try emailing :/ |
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| 16:37.15 | mikey| | why is it some people use something like this in their code: int foo = 0x01acdd |
| 16:37.31 | mikey| | why hex instead of a proper int? |
| 16:37.54 | Disconnect | depends on what you are doing with it. |
| 16:38.08 | Disconnect | bitmasks are much easier in hex, for example. |
| 16:38.24 | mikey| | this is from connectbot: public static final int pref_scrollback=0x7f07003c; |
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| 16:42.11 | mikey| | nothing logcat that says my sms didnt go through |
| 16:45.06 | mikey| | o.o, started a new message, still no luck :| |
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| 16:47.06 | offby1 | I think Eclipse generates hex constants in certain places |
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| 16:49.29 | mikey| | does anyone have the link for t-mobile to send network settings via sms? |
| 16:49.43 | mikey| | i'm pretty sure i've used it before but cant it now |
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| 17:03.54 | savid | Does anyone know if it's possible to have a dialog as the main activity? ie, I want the main app to just look like a normal dialog window |
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| 17:10.34 | TiberiumX | I don't know if you can do that, but why do you want to? That doesn't sound like a very good UI decision. Dialogs should look distinct from main application windows. |
| 17:11.36 | SplasPood | Anyone happen to know if/how the PATH can be set for Term.apk sessions? |
| 17:11.50 | SplasPood | automatically, I mean |
| 17:12.34 | ttuttle | savid: Doesn't Voice Dialer sorta do that? |
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| 17:13.18 | JonnyB | hi. |
| 17:14.29 | JonnyB | Does anyone know if there has been a solution to the inability to delete mail from the trash on the pop3 email program? |
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| 17:14.57 | savid | ttuttle, hmm.. haven't used voice dialer yet.. How do I bring up the voice dialer? |
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| 17:21.10 | mastermindjon | Hey, everyone. |
| 17:21.24 | mikey| | well, t mob sent me the sms settings, works fine now :) |
| 17:22.19 | mastermindjon | Anyone else trying out this client via android-unleashed? |
| 17:22.44 | d03boy | can you be more specific |
| 17:23.05 | mikey| | is thinking of modding the g1 email app to ignore invalid ssl certs :| |
| 17:23.26 | mikey| | use TLS if available doesn't sound very secure and i dont have the software to test if it's encrypted |
| 17:23.46 | mastermindjon | android-unleashed.com has a post that has an embedded irc from mibbit.com. Just wondering if anyone else is using the chat that way. |
| 17:24.04 | d03boy | yes. Some people use that. |
| 17:24.10 | d03boy | does that answer your question? |
| 17:25.00 | mastermindjon | Kinda. I asked that to ask if anyone has tried to tether their G1? Since I found the HowTo here. |
| 17:25.22 | d03boy | I have a Button with height set to "wrap_content" but when I put it in a Horizontal Linear Layout, it gets cut off because of the weight differences on the outer Vertical Linear Layout |
| 17:25.55 | d03boy | mastermindjon, someone has successfully tethered their G1 |
| 17:26.48 | mastermindjon | I figured ^_^ Just needing a bit of help, if anyone here has had success. I'm about halfway through doing it. |
| 17:27.11 | d03boy | might as well jump directly to your question instead of beating around the bush |
| 17:27.18 | ttuttle | savid: it's in apps, or you can hold the green phone button for a couple seconds. |
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| 17:28.18 | mastermindjon | True. |
| 17:29.38 | mastermindjon | Anyone able to help with problems tethering? I'm having issues getting Eclipse to work with the ADT. |
| 17:30.47 | d03boy | ...getting closer. Now you just need to say what kind of issues you're having... |
| 17:31.03 | savid | ttuttle, cool, thanks |
| 17:31.48 | snadge | i cant even figure out how to get my g1 to tell me what day of the week it is.. eg friday, monday etc |
| 17:32.13 | mastermindjon | i'm using Eclipse Ganymede, and when I go into the prefs to set the directory for the Android settings, it won't accept the SDK directory. |
| 17:32.47 | mastermindjon | Just gives a general error that it can't find the tools it's looking for. |
| 17:32.49 | offby1 | huh, I managed ... and I'd never used Eclipse before |
| 17:33.01 | offby1 | not that that helps you any. |
| 17:33.26 | d03boy | mastermindjon, whats the name of your android directory |
| 17:33.40 | mastermindjon | Hell, I'll do whatever you did if it works. I've never used Eclipse either, just followin' the steps I had. |
| 17:35.51 | mikey| | what happened to android.text.util.Regex ? |
| 17:36.46 | mastermindjon | i can't remember the path. don't have my laptop here. if that's what you mean. |
| 17:36.48 | snadge | can the g1 run skype or tomtom? |
| 17:37.07 | mastermindjon | I'm kinda running blind on the whole thing. |
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| 17:38.08 | mastermindjon | I was mostly just wondering if it was a common thing. |
| 17:38.26 | snadge | or is google going to add voice directions to their navigating software |
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| 17:44.14 | mastermindjon | Actually, I'm gonna try something else with it. How can I get to the command line input? |
| 17:45.33 | infernix | mastermindjon: don't need eclipse for tetherig |
| 17:45.36 | infernix | *tethering |
| 17:46.25 | mastermindjon | Great. Open for anything. What should I do? |
| 17:46.26 | infernix | snadge: skype presumably though iSkoot, havent tried though. No TomTom until they port it |
| 17:47.08 | infernix | mastermindjon: http://graha.ms/androidproxy/ |
| 17:47.25 | mastermindjon | Thanks. |
| 17:47.47 | infernix | it rather sucks though. if you have root there are better ways |
| 17:48.18 | d03boy | can anyone tell me how weights work? |
| 17:48.59 | Disconnect | mikey|: fyi "use tls" and "use ssl" requires valid certs. no mods needed. |
| 17:49.14 | infernix | mikey|: there is already a fork of the g1 email app. its called K-9, is in market, #k-9 right here on freenode |
| 17:49.22 | mikey| | heh |
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| 17:49.35 | infernix | :) |
| 17:49.36 | mikey| | sweeett |
| 17:49.40 | mikey| | installs |
| 17:49.52 | mastermindjon | Those are the instructions I had, actually. The Android SDK is where I was lead to Eclipse. Am I way off? |
| 17:49.54 | KNY | it's a shame K-9 can't import from Email.apk |
| 17:50.12 | infernix | mastermindjon: just download, unpack, then use 'adb' thats in it. |
| 17:50.17 | infernix | no need to use eclipse |
| 17:50.19 | Disconnect | KNY: that wouldn't be secure. |
| 17:50.23 | Disconnect | :( |
| 17:50.38 | KNY | Disconnect, yeah I know, but from an end-user, I don't want to have to enter all my crap again ;) |
| 17:50.51 | Disconnect | is a big fan of "its secure if the user says it is ok" but then again, goog has shown that security is more about them than about the users. |
| 17:51.06 | mastermindjon | when I do to launch 'adb', it pops the command prompt, runs some lines faster than I can see, then it closes. |
| 17:51.11 | KNY | yeah, it should have a gksu-ish system |
| 17:51.16 | Disconnect | mastermindjon: its a commandline app |
| 17:51.35 | KNY | ("it" being Android) |
| 17:52.09 | snadge | at least google errors on the side of security, rather than the side of convenience |
| 17:52.11 | Disconnect | KNY: and/or temporary/revokable perms. but a reasonable security policy would make way too much sense. |
| 17:52.30 | Disconnect | snadge: hahahaha. |
| 17:52.34 | snadge | if you want convenient pwnage.. theres winmo for that |
| 17:52.36 | mikey| | Disconnect: k-9 doesnt allow it either |
| 17:52.44 | mikey| | connect to self signed email cert servers |
| 17:52.51 | infernix | mikey|: sure does |
| 17:52.53 | infernix | works fine hre. |
| 17:52.58 | infernix | running courier imap self signed |
| 17:53.10 | mikey| | i chose use tls (always) and it says cant connected, untrusted |
| 17:53.10 | mastermindjon | Yeah, but it closes without me having the ability to enter commands. Unless I'm doing something grossly wrong. Also likely. XD |
| 17:53.14 | mikey| | or something to that effect |
| 17:53.23 | infernix | mikey|: use the "when available". it'll do SSL |
| 17:53.32 | snadge | on an unrelated note.. does anyone know where to get an asus eee pc, s101 model? |
| 17:53.43 | d03boy | froogle.com |
| 17:53.53 | KNY | ebay.com |
| 17:53.57 | Disconnect | amazon |
| 17:53.59 | d03boy | bonerjams03.com |
| 17:54.02 | Disconnect | google |
| 17:54.12 | Disconnect | woot, occasionally |
| 17:54.38 | KNY | http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=asus+eee+pc+s101 |
| 17:54.55 | KNY | :) |
| 17:55.02 | Disconnect | needs www |
| 17:55.12 | Disconnect | nevermind. must have been broken yesterday |
| 17:55.13 | KNY | Disconnect, works fine here |
| 17:55.17 | KNY | heh |
| 17:55.20 | d03boy | http://letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=Does+shamwow+really+absorb+dogs%3F |
| 17:55.22 | snadge | i've obviously been looking in the right places.. im kinda looking for a walk in store, and one that sells the s101 with linux |
| 17:55.51 | snadge | they all seem to assume you want windows xp for some bizarre reason |
| 17:56.04 | d03boy | take winxp off..... then put lunix on |
| 17:56.11 | offby1 | snadge: but everyone wants XP :) |
| 17:56.22 | KNY | snadge, get the WinXP one and get a refund for XP, then put linux on |
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| 17:58.25 | d03boy | for some reason I have a titlebar on my app. How do I ditch that mofo? |
| 17:58.39 | KNY | requestWindowFeature(Window.FEATURE_NO_TITLE); |
| 17:59.02 | KNY | in your onCreate |
| 17:59.17 | d03boy | thank you kind sir/maam |
| 17:59.21 | KNY | sir |
| 17:59.55 | snadge | i thought of that kny.. but i want to contribute to the sales statistics that say that i want linux |
| 18:00.05 | Disconnect | then order it online. |
| 18:00.11 | snadge | and i dont want to give microsoft even the temporary pleasure of thinking they've sold a copy of windows ;) |
| 18:00.13 | Disconnect | deal with "omg it will take a whole TWO DAYS" |
| 18:00.14 | KNY | snadge, yeah, but it'd be better than nothing |
| 18:00.41 | Disconnect | order it online, then hold your breath until it arrives. |
| 18:01.01 | snadge | 2 days? cool.. i'll do that when im in LA |
| 18:01.13 | snadge | im staying in a hotel thats all.. kinda dodgy to order it online |
| 18:01.26 | Disconnect | ...use ssl. |
| 18:01.41 | snadge | its more posting something to a hotel.. that im only going to be at for 6 days :P |
| 18:04.12 | Disconnect | so order it to be overnighted, and if it doesn't ship in time cancel/change the address. and hold your breath. :) |
| 18:04.13 | d03boy | KNY, for some reason that crashed my program. Not sure why |
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| 18:04.44 | snadge | amazon or newegg didnt seem to have a linux option :/ |
| 18:05.06 | snadge | these companies really dont make it easy to sell something.. i suppose thats my fault for not wanting windows |
| 18:05.39 | snadge | i dont really get it.. i have the money burning a hole in my pocket, and they're not making it easy to part with it ;) |
| 18:06.44 | KNY | d03boy, what does `adb logcat` give you? |
| 18:08.01 | d03boy | hmm |
| 18:08.09 | KNY | (d03boy, what I meant is what does it give you that's relevant?) |
| 18:08.49 | d03boy | requestFeature() must be called before adding content |
| 18:09.01 | d03boy | :) |
| 18:09.09 | KNY | you have to do it just after super.onCreate(savedInstanceState) |
| 18:09.13 | KNY | before you setContentView() |
| 18:09.30 | d03boy | excellent |
| 18:10.07 | d03boy | works beautifully now |
| 18:10.20 | KNY | great |
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| 18:16.59 | mikey| | i know the line of code that stops it from connecting to a self signed cert server when using "use ssl always", but some of the source code is missing from the git repo and the k9 client src |
| 18:17.31 | mikey| | some of the apache stuff and android.text.utils.regex |
| 18:18.41 | Disconnect | just do it right - get it signed at (eg) cacert.org and add their toplevel to the keystore |
| 18:18.56 | mikey| | how do i add it to the keystore? |
| 18:19.59 | Disconnect | lemme find the link |
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| 18:20.56 | Disconnect | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1016#c19 worked for me |
| 18:21.23 | Disconnect | there is a better link somewhere but that should get you started |
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| 18:23.10 | mikey| | i dont have the root-able version of the firmware :| |
| 18:23.40 | Disconnect | then you need to figure some way of implementing your own keystore. or just give up and use ssl instead of tls. |
| 18:24.03 | Disconnect | the "right answer" is the private keystore that compares the key. but.. |
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| 18:25.52 | mikey| | might just have to fork the mail client myself |
| 18:26.12 | mikey| | seeing as there's no alternative atm to getting a proper signed cert |
| 18:26.31 | Disconnect | ssl if available instaed of tls. it'll at least ensure its encrypted. |
| 18:26.55 | mikey| | alright, leeme try with ssl |
| 18:27.13 | Disconnect | doesn't protect against MITM but .. you know.. self-signed certs aren't "secure" |
| 18:27.23 | Disconnect | (except they are, if they are cached and verified) |
| 18:29.30 | d03boy | anyone notoice this huge bug(?) eclipse has in the XML editor. If you type android:id or whatever, it wont do the completion |
| 18:29.37 | d03boy | unless you backspace to the beginning of the line |
| 18:29.39 | Disconnect | sometimes it does. |
| 18:29.45 | Disconnect | but that editor is a disaster. |
| 18:29.53 | d03boy | because it doesnt consider the word "android" in its check |
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| 18:30.27 | Disconnect | show the preview, then go back to the text editor and start entering xml by hand. chances are good that pretty soon it'll suck down all your available ram (over 2 gigs here) and die. |
| 18:30.41 | d03boy | yeah. It's been doing that |
| 18:30.49 | d03boy | i'm extremely disappointed with how Eclipse is running lately |
| 18:31.00 | d03boy | whether or nots its eclipse's fault.. who knows/cares |
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| 18:33.21 | weilawei | wheeee irssi + connectbot |
| 18:33.41 | Lunch | Does the image on a standard Button have margins? even by setting the margins to 0 I still can't get two buttons to be right next to eachother. |
| 18:34.04 | d03boy | padding 0 also? |
| 18:34.37 | Lunch | yes, padding also zero |
| 18:37.01 | Lunch | even setting it to fill_parent I can't get the two buttons to be next to oneanother |
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| 18:45.10 | budwaa | im not getting a notification of usb connection any more. Where do i mount the sd card for access by the pc? |
| 18:45.33 | offby1 | :-( |
| 18:45.50 | offby1 | that behavior changed on or around R30 |
| 18:45.54 | d03boy | Lunch, do you have it in a linear layout |
| 18:46.28 | Lunch | d03boy, right now in relative layout |
| 18:49.17 | Lunch | I get the same results in LinearLayout, RelativeLayout and GridView |
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| 18:49.55 | d03boy | not sure |
| 18:49.57 | d03boy | im newb |
| 18:50.17 | budwaa | Whats the easiest way to get an app ive made onto my phone? |
| 18:50.31 | Lunch | budwaa, using exclipse? |
| 18:50.35 | Lunch | eclipse |
| 18:51.06 | budwaa | yep |
| 18:51.20 | Lunch | http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware |
| 18:51.33 | budwaa | http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware |
| 18:51.36 | budwaa | lol oops |
| 18:51.42 | budwaa | thanks |
| 18:51.45 | Lunch | yw |
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| 18:57.02 | d03boy | alright. I have my layout working. Now what? |
| 18:57.45 | d03boy | how can I do event handling |
| 18:58.04 | Lieutenant | damn were u up all night? |
| 18:58.09 | d03boy | no |
| 18:58.16 | d03boy | went to sleep at 5am and got up around 11 |
| 18:58.43 | Lieutenant | oh lol |
| 18:58.54 | Lieutenant | i went to sleep at 4, woke up at 1 :( |
| 18:58.56 | budwaa | I want to check wifi state but i get a permission exception when using wifimanager.getwifistate. Is there another means to do this? |
| 18:59.37 | TiberiumX | Add the permission that it's complaining about to your manifest? |
| 19:00.02 | Disconnect | budwaa: yah that was already answered for you a couple hours ago |
| 19:00.19 | d03boy | I have one Activity and it has an input field that I need to catch events on |
| 19:01.11 | budwaa | Went for dinner :d |
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| 19:04.22 | DarkriftX | does the market have a way to see the latest stuff? |
| 19:06.07 | d03boy | waht's an intent for/ |
| 19:06.13 | d03boy | that is an event? |
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| 19:08.38 | mikey| | DarkriftX: the date tab? |
| 19:08.46 | DarkriftX | i just found that lol |
| 19:09.05 | DarkriftX | i thought i had seen it but couldnt find it (thought it was on the main screen) |
| 19:09.18 | mikey| | this heater is borked :( |
| 19:10.37 | budwaa | Ive added a permission to my AndroidManifest.xml but its giving the same error. IVe set the name to the permission given by the exception.. |
| 19:11.10 | d03boy | nooooooooooooo |
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| 19:11.34 | mikey| | did you put the permission after </application> budwaa ? |
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| 19:12.37 | budwaa | <permission android:name="android.permission.ACCESS_WIFI_STATE"></permission> |
| 19:13.10 | budwaa | and yes, it seems it has. Although i did it through the gui |
| 19:13.39 | budwaa | Is that how its supposed to be? |
| 19:16.40 | mikey| | seems like it, yeah |
| 19:16.54 | mikey| | pastebin your code, lets have a look at it :) |
| 19:17.15 | budwaa | maybe it should be uses-permission |
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| 19:17.30 | mikey| | ahh, yeah, try that |
| 19:17.35 | Disconnect | is findViewById expensive? cuz its taking -forever- to pick up 4 edittexts :( |
| 19:18.02 | budwaa | bingo :D |
| 19:18.34 | mikey| | never been slow for me Disconnect, but then again, i havent coded much for android :p |
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| 19:20.16 | Disconnect | there was other code in there. looks like my db adapter is taking forever to init. thats still annoying (2 seconds??) but more reasonable :) |
| 19:21.30 | d03boy | where are the good tutorials that describe how to use an intent/activity/etc |
| 19:22.49 | mikey| | androidguys.com is quite good imo |
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| 19:25.37 | Disconnect | wagghhfh. its setcontentview thats sucking down 2 seconds. :( |
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| 19:26.11 | Disconnect | http://pastebin.ca/1271293 |
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| 19:26.57 | budwaa | Im liking android :D |
| 19:27.59 | Disconnect | fills.xml is just a pile of linearlayouts with a scrollview and a single relativeview |
| 19:28.18 | budwaa | What would the 3g connection come under? |
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| 19:45.05 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
| 19:45.57 | DarkriftX | is the opera browser even decent compared to the "browser" ? |
| 19:46.21 | Disconnect | can someone ban IznastY? he has literally only ever said one thing. "<IznastY!n=enforcer@cpe-24-193-139-60.nyc.res.rr.com> [20:05] Damm: didnt realize public away was on" |
| 19:47.02 | IznastY | hey |
| 19:47.14 | Damm | DarkriftX, totally decent. |
| 19:47.25 | IznastY | i thought i turned shit off |
| 19:47.26 | Damm | IznastY, can you please turn that shit off now? |
| 19:47.40 | DarkriftX | i read soemwhere that the opera browser was a flop because android already had a good browser |
| 19:47.43 | DarkriftX | so wasnt sure |
| 19:47.53 | offby1 | Disconnect: I've just /ignored him/her/it |
| 19:48.08 | IznastY | im trying hold on |
| 19:48.27 | Damm | DarkriftX, that's opinion pretty much. It handles BBC and CNN just fine |
| 19:48.31 | IznastY | blah, i'll just use a reg irc client |
| 19:48.48 | Damm | I prefer Opera Mobile to the "Webkit" Browser for sites like BBC |
| 19:49.34 | Damm | and the javascript support is better in Opera Mobile then in the browser. |
| 19:49.56 | Damm | I can login to my bank and do stuff with it, where as the regular browser will randomly disconnect me |
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| 19:52.39 | andyross | Damm: are you sure the BBC isn't handling Opera specially? My experience has been almost exactly the opposite: AJAX sites fail routinely in Opera, where the G1 usually handles them fine as long as the layout doesn't break. |
| 19:55.32 | Damm | andyross, quite possible. |
| 19:55.39 | Disconnect | opera mini does a couple of things afair. it does special rendering and lots of sites handle it specially. |
| 19:56.21 | Disconnect | yah they use proxies for everything. its even on the feature page. |
| 19:56.35 | DarkriftX | wow, android browser with text size set to tiny shows webpages almost normally |
| 19:57.21 | Damm | andyross, however my bank is completely seperate. |
| 19:58.01 | d03boy | alright people. I've made my layout. Now I need to figure out what these Intent and Activity things are |
| 19:58.08 | Disconnect | Damm: probably the bank dislikes ip changes. with opera mini using proxies, one ip. |
| 19:58.09 | d03boy | hook a brotha up |
| 19:58.38 | Disconnect | d03boy: go through the docs and tutorials. |
| 19:58.41 | Damm | Disconnect, for sure. |
| 19:58.46 | Disconnect | i think you're looking for activity lifecycle first |
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| 19:59.38 | DarkriftX | sounds like your irc client is getting close d03boy |
| 19:59.41 | DarkriftX | you going to charge for it? |
| 19:59.48 | d03boy | $0 |
| 19:59.54 | DarkriftX | nice |
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| 20:00.32 | Disconnect | anyone have info for debugging slow setcontentview? its eating up 2 seconds :( |
| 20:00.46 | DarkriftX | wtf |
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| 20:00.59 | DarkriftX | it joined using my wifi and my 3g :S |
| 20:01.05 | DarkriftX | im guessing that is a bug |
| 20:01.13 | Disconnect | huh? |
| 20:01.16 | droidri0 | fdjfdj |
| 20:01.28 | DarkriftX | * droidrift (n=darkrift@m480436d0.tmodns.net) has joined #android |
| 20:01.29 | DarkriftX | * droidri0 (n=darkrift@ip68-104-161-224.ph.ph.cox.net) has joined #android |
| 20:01.36 | d03boy | haha |
| 20:01.42 | DarkriftX | those are both me, same client but it connected once using each connection :S |
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| 20:03.02 | DarkriftX | there doesnt appear to be a way to exit that irc app :s |
| 20:03.04 | d03boy | I once saw some video tutorials but cant find them now |
| 20:03.19 | DarkriftX | oh lol |
| 20:03.26 | DarkriftX | found it, in the menu :S |
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| 20:09.57 | TiberiumX | Anyone know if I can send a file:// URI to the video player application? |
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| 20:10.25 | TiberiumX | Or otherwise force it to play a specific file. |
| 20:10.44 | Lieutenant | hey has anyone seen that "gears" option in the browser? is that something similart to firefox addons? how come nobody has started creating "gears" for the browser? |
| 20:11.34 | TiberiumX | Maybe the API for it isn't there yet. Seems like Google has ripped a lot of stuff out that wasn't ready at launch time. Where are my home screen widgets? |
| 20:12.20 | Lieutenant | oh, i see. well google better hurry up and deliver all the features we should have. |
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| 20:12.24 | Disconnect | wow. no change even when I convert to a simple tableview :( |
| 20:12.37 | Disconnect | what would cause my app to spend 1.5 seconds inside setcontentview? |
| 20:13.35 | Lunch | how complicated is the view? |
| 20:14.42 | Disconnect | not very. :/ simplified it even further. linear < scroll < table < 6x row textview edittext /table> /scroll> <linear 2x buttons > |
| 20:15.10 | TiberiumX | Try loading a mostly empty view and see what happens. Could at least then know if you should be looking at a layout problem or not. |
| 20:15.41 | Disconnect | yah. :/ i'm seeing http://pastebin.ca/1271293 with the current view |
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| 20:16.01 | Disconnect | (same with the debug tracing missing - unfortunately, traceview won't run on any of my boxes :( ..) |
| 20:18.22 | Disconnect | hmm. reducing the rows to 4 dropped it down to .75 seconds. so thats probably close enough. except i need the extra rows :/ |
| 20:19.06 | TiberiumX | How are you adding the rows? |
| 20:19.15 | Disconnect | all via xml |
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| 20:20.55 | budwaa | is their an equivalent of android.net.wifimanager for the 3g connection? |
| 20:21.33 | Damm | i assume so |
| 20:21.39 | Damm | since i've seen an app that shuts off 3g |
| 20:22.05 | budwaa | oh, what app? |
| 20:22.25 | budwaa | Is that its function or it has some other purpose? |
| 20:23.35 | mikey| | wtf is web n walk? is that like web browsing with fup? |
| 20:23.48 | mikey| | over the t mob network |
| 20:25.00 | budwaa | yeah |
| 20:25.11 | budwaa | its the name for their data package |
| 20:25.23 | budwaa | Might include wifi ap's too..not sure. |
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| 20:29.07 | Disconnect | ok now i'm confused. on the device the smaller layout displays pretty quick. but there is a good solid 1.5 second delay between the end of my oncreate and the activitymanager saying "displayed activity" |
| 20:29.33 | TiberiumX | Loading the home screen takes a really long time after pressing the home button. I don't recall this issue before RC30. Anyone else share this experience? |
| 20:29.36 | Disconnect | displays quick as in it tears through the oncreate function without any major delays |
| 20:29.45 | Disconnect | TiberiumX: its about having apps installed. |
| 20:29.57 | Disconnect | TiberiumX: if you uninstall them all, it'll be moderately quick again :( |
| 20:30.29 | TiberiumX | That's strange. Preloading the icons in the pull-up application list? |
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| 20:30.38 | mikey| | TiberiumX: i've only had that problem when i had lots of browser windows open and i navigate back home |
| 20:31.57 | TiberiumX | I'll try paring down my installed applications and see what happens. |
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| 20:34.01 | budwaa | TiberiumX: do you get the home screen with no icons? |
| 20:34.14 | TiberiumX | Yeah. |
| 20:34.26 | budwaa | same |
| 20:34.36 | jasta | thats because home is restarting itself. |
| 20:34.47 | budwaa | IS it some memory saving thing? |
| 20:34.51 | mikey| | i managed to crash the home process somehow |
| 20:34.51 | TiberiumX | And being really slow about it. |
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| 20:35.04 | jasta | budwaa: yes, the platform has killed Home to get more memory for whtaever other apps you have floating around |
| 20:35.14 | mikey| | or i think it stopped responding |
| 20:35.17 | jasta | and Home just so ahppens to startup very slowly |
| 20:35.17 | budwaa | I see |
| 20:35.21 | mikey| | but then i pressed wait, and it recovered |
| 20:35.23 | TiberiumX | Too bad you can't set a priority for various applications. |
| 20:35.27 | jasta | so one thing you can look at is why Home needs to be killed in the first place |
| 20:35.29 | TiberiumX | I'd rather it kill home last. |
| 20:35.31 | budwaa | Gotta load pictures icons etc.. |
| 20:35.39 | jasta | budwaa: you could check adb shell dumpsys activity | grep oom_adj and see if anything has a lower oom_adj than Home |
| 20:35.43 | jasta | maybe some busted app you installed |
| 20:35.57 | budwaa | yeah... |
| 20:36.05 | budwaa | ill have a cleanup |
| 20:36.08 | jasta | also, the browser tends to be a major memory hog, and so running it with many windows or even on certain pages will take up all the phones available memory and android will start reaping |
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| 20:36.29 | mikey| | i love the multi window feature of the browser <3 |
| 20:36.46 | jasta | but in my case, i found that my home app was restarted often because my app was coded in such a way to have a lower oom_adj than Home, which was wrong :) |
| 20:36.59 | mikey| | adj stands for? |
| 20:37.04 | jasta | adjustment |
| 20:37.05 | Disconnect | ..adjustment |
| 20:37.09 | budwaa | oom? |
| 20:37.14 | jasta | out of memory |
| 20:37.21 | TiberiumX | In what way was it coded to cause that problem? |
| 20:37.23 | romainguy__ | jasta: and Home just so ahppens to startup very slowly << if Home startups slowly then the device is really thrashing for some reason |
| 20:37.27 | budwaa | Somthing u can set in the manifest? |
| 20:37.42 | budwaa | so how the hell can i change the 2g only setting in android.. |
| 20:37.53 | jasta | romainguy__: you told me once that Home startup is slow, and that can be observed pretty easily if it has to restart |
| 20:37.59 | jasta | takes 4-5 seconds |
| 20:38.10 | budwaa | Im loosing the will to live searching the API's |
| 20:38.10 | jasta | TiberiumX: i had a background service which lived indefinitely. |
| 20:38.18 | mikey| | budwaa: settings->wifi, etc, ->mobile networks |
| 20:38.27 | romainguy__ | jasta: no, I told you it *was* slow and we did a lot of work to improve it |
| 20:38.29 | budwaa | mikey|: yeah i mean from my app |
| 20:38.35 | mikey| | oh, dunno |
| 20:38.42 | romainguy__ | on a device that's not thrashing Home can startup in less than 1 second |
| 20:38.45 | jasta | romainguy__: work that hasn't made it onto the G1, so why would you assume i know about that? |
| 20:39.00 | romainguy__ | work that has made it onto the G1... |
| 20:39.10 | romainguy__ | it was pre-1.0 |
| 20:39.12 | jasta | i beg to differ. Home restarts slow as hell. |
| 20:39.23 | romainguy__ | because when it's killed the device is thrashing |
| 20:39.37 | jasta | you can make the device kill it by just playing around in the browser. |
| 20:39.48 | Disconnect | romainguy: you are playing semantic games. clearly he is (correctly) comparing the earlier g1 releases with current. so no, compared to those work has NOT made it in. |
| 20:39.50 | budwaa | you mean whatever makes home leave mem makes it slow to be re-loaded? |
| 20:40.02 | DarkriftX | someone needs to clean the fucking market up |
| 20:40.15 | romainguy__ | Disconnect: being the one that wrote Home I would know what work when in the build and when :) |
| 20:40.19 | DarkriftX | this asshole jerome posting about friends on your phone and spamming that url needs to be assraped |
| 20:40.23 | mikey| | DarkriftX: it's like youtube comments... |
| 20:40.31 | jasta | budwaa: the browser takes up a lot of memory, which can ultimately lead android to kill running processes. Home is probably going to be one of them. when you leave the browser Home restarts, and will draw initially with no icons while it does |
| 20:40.34 | DarkriftX | someone needs to ddos his site, any takers? |
| 20:40.36 | DarkriftX | hides |
| 20:40.48 | mikey| | ddos' DarkriftX by 'mistake' |
| 20:40.56 | mikey| | ¬_¬ |
| 20:40.57 | DarkriftX | romainguy: send googlebot to crawl his site on "crack" mode |
| 20:41.06 | TiberiumX | So, what takes Home such a massive amount of time to start? (Regardless of whether it has been improved from previous releases) |
| 20:41.08 | Disconnect | romainguy__: thought android wasn't a device? :P but in any case. by that measure, -every- piece of home is "an improvement that made it into the g1" |
| 20:41.10 | romainguy__ | jasta: the Browser alone is not enough, on my device using the Browser is not enough to kill Home |
| 20:41.19 | DarkriftX | i mean, the market looks like its going to be great, but assholes have to spam it like crazy |
| 20:41.38 | Disconnect | romainguy__: load 3 or 4 windows, and while they are loading hit home. chances are good it'll take at least 10 seconds, if you hit it just right it'll take 30-60 |
| 20:41.54 | Disconnect | if you get -really- lucky it'll take in excess of 120 seconds |
| 20:42.04 | Disconnect | (which is when I usually just lock it and wander off) |
| 20:42.05 | romainguy__ | Disconnect: then there's something terribly wrong with your device |
| 20:42.10 | jasta | romainguy__: it doesn't happen always, probably because the browser doesn't have an upper bound. more complex sites and lots of tabs does it though. |
| 20:42.16 | TiberiumX | I've probably had 10, but never anywhere near 120. |
| 20:42.17 | budwaa | Its never been that bad for me...about 5 secs at worst |
| 20:42.29 | jasta | and it's not exclusively the browser, other services are running on my phone, and quite possibly on budwaa. |
| 20:42.31 | budwaa | Just enough for me to notice |
| 20:42.45 | jasta | which is why i told him to look at dumpsys activity, because it will tell him how Home will get reaped. |
| 20:42.48 | romainguy__ | Disconnect: I did a LOT of tests abotu Home restart over a few months and the longest time I've seen Home take to restart was around 10 seconds |
| 20:42.57 | romainguy__ | 30-60 means there's something really bad going on |
| 20:43.17 | budwaa | jasta, wheres dumpsys? Part of the adb |
| 20:43.25 | jasta | budwaa: adb shell dumpsys activity |
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| 20:44.11 | romainguy__ | jasta: romainguy__: it doesn't happen always, probably because the browser doesn't have an upper bound. more complex sites and lots of tabs does it though. << again, it depends on what else you have going on (and the browser does have an upper bound, around 27 MB) |
| 20:44.17 | budwaa | jasta: got no idea where to find that :d |
| 20:44.18 | Disconnect | can't get it now. effectively instant. i'll play with it more tomorrow in 3g (since it won't stay on wifi for more than 5-10 seconds at a time. but don't say thats a testing failure or danny will pee on you.) |
| 20:44.21 | TiberiumX | There are quite a lot of services running that probably should have stopped themeslves by now on my device. |
| 20:44.27 | mikey| | which sensor does "Battery Info" use to get the battery temp? |
| 20:44.35 | mikey| | I tried activating the temp sensor, it failed |
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| 20:45.09 | TiberiumX | And I'm proud to say that the one belonging to my podcatching app that I've been testing extensively isn't among that list. |
| 20:46.28 | TiberiumX | Does does every application have an upper bound? (beyond available memory, of course) |
| 20:46.41 | romainguy__ | TiberiumX: you can't get more than 16 MB of memory |
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| 20:46.59 | Disconnect | RyeBrye might be able to reproduce it more frequently, he was making the same 30+ second reports i was |
| 20:47.04 | mikey| | who was asking about how to enable/disable 3g via their app? |
| 20:47.10 | TiberiumX | Per process? e.g. does a service contribute to that total? |
| 20:47.26 | mikey| | download the src for settings, you'll find it somewhere in there: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/Settings.git;a=commit;h=de2d9f5f109265873196f1615e1f3546b114aaa7 |
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| 20:47.30 | romainguy__ | TiberiumX: per VM |
| 20:47.36 | romainguy__ | so pretty much per process |
| 20:48.01 | budwaa | mikey|: yeah i was |
| 20:48.14 | budwaa | mikey|: wheres that ? |
| 20:48.19 | mikey| | see my link |
| 20:48.32 | budwaa | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/packages/apps/Settings.git;a=commit;h=de2d9f5f109265873196f1615e1f3546b114aaa7 |
| 20:48.46 | TiberiumX | Okay, so you can see if 3G is enabled. Is there a way to see if it's actually on a 3G network? |
| 20:48.50 | mikey| | aye, download the src |
| 20:48.53 | budwaa | damn that rick click feature of putty always gets me |
| 20:49.24 | mikey| | TiberiumX: you mean via your app? |
| 20:49.25 | budwaa | nice one mikey| |
| 20:49.29 | TiberiumX | Yeah |
| 20:49.36 | mikey| | no idea mate |
| 20:57.19 | sparkle | ok, i just have to say |
| 20:57.31 | sparkle | streamfurious is feckin cool :D |
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| 20:58.26 | JesusFreke1 | what is streamfurious? |
| 20:58.39 | sparkle | look on the market |
| 20:58.41 | sparkle | m3u streamer |
| 20:59.02 | sparkle | plays in the background |
| 20:59.07 | JesusFreke1 | ah, k. I've been using five :D |
| 20:59.17 | sparkle | really really nicely done |
| 21:01.21 | JesusFreke1 | ah, just shoutcast |
| 21:01.31 | JesusFreke1 | I prefer to listen to my own music collection :D |
| 21:02.15 | TiberiumX | There was another shoucast client out there that couldn't even keep up (without having to stop and refill its buffer) on wifi. I'll try this one out. |
| 21:02.26 | sparkle | icecast |
| 21:02.28 | sparkle | laughs |
| 21:02.29 | sparkle | yeah |
| 21:02.52 | TiberiumX | And that was just a 96kbps stream. |
| 21:02.59 | sparkle | nods |
| 21:03.16 | sparkle | radio paradise 128k smooth to the quarter wave |
| 21:03.28 | JesusFreke1 | five is pretty cool, although it's not ready for mass consumption yet |
| 21:04.11 | JesusFreke1 | The basic premise is to let you listen to stream your home music collection, letting you listen to them like they were actually on your device |
| 21:04.24 | sparkle | nods |
| 21:04.59 | JesusFreke1 | orb is similar, but you have to start a stream from their website, and there's no way to navigate within the stream once you started it |
| 21:05.01 | sparkle | ok, now i just have to see if icecast server runs ok on the g1 |
| 21:05.02 | sparkle | laughs |
| 21:05.07 | JesusFreke1 | (i.e. can't skip to the next song) |
| 21:05.50 | JesusFreke1 | not to mention if it gets disconnected, you have to re-browse through the menus on the site to restart the stream. heh |
| 21:07.07 | sparkle | heh |
| 21:07.38 | TiberiumX | StreamFurious has no issues with streaming 128kbps over 3G, so that's a huge improvement. A better selection of channels / ability to enter a URI for a stream would be nice (which I would expect, but don't see anywhere). |
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| 21:25.14 | d03boy | when an activity is paused, can it still be doing stuff in the background? |
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| 21:36.04 | DarkriftX | wow, andnav is pretty good |
| 21:36.19 | DarkriftX | if only it read the compass (or if the compass worked :S) |
| 21:36.31 | DarkriftX | isnt there a wya to recalibrate the compass? |
| 21:36.42 | benley | yeah |
| 21:36.53 | benley | turn on the compass and shake the phone around in figure-8s for a bit |
| 21:37.53 | DarkriftX | do you have to have a particular app open while doing this? |
| 21:38.11 | d03boy | I heard that it works best if you do the macarena |
| 21:38.16 | DarkriftX | cool |
| 21:38.22 | DarkriftX | learns the macarena real fast |
| 21:39.11 | d03boy | anyone have any idea how the networking (TCP) stuff works with android |
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| 21:39.23 | d03boy | im not immediately seeing anything useful |
| 21:39.31 | richwjones | How low level are you talking about |
| 21:39.49 | d03boy | I think I just want a Tcp connection of some sort |
| 21:40.36 | d03boy | im assuming android has its own tcp stack instead of using the java implementation? |
| 21:41.14 | d03boy | android.net doesnt seem to have much |
| 21:47.30 | DarkriftX | is there a built in method to view the direction from the compass? |
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| 21:50.55 | Rioko | hi! |
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| 21:56.50 | d03boy | . |
| 21:57.56 | offby1 | DarkriftX: ah, it's always off by about 45 degrees anyway :-| |
| 21:58.17 | DarkriftX | yeah, mine is not only off, but always points between north and east |
| 21:58.21 | DarkriftX | no matter what direction i turn it |
| 21:58.29 | foobar` | still no binary maps app for git base os :( |
| 21:58.52 | DarkriftX | north says east, east says east, south says northeast, west says north, north says east |
| 21:58.56 | ttuttle | Hey, can Android listen to rtsp streams? |
| 21:59.24 | DarkriftX | i sat it on my lap with "orienteer" running and spun it, moved it and made it dance, but no change |
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| 22:00.47 | DarkriftX | i think once andnav has better labeling for its buttons, it could be a completel replacement for the maps app |
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| 22:01.30 | offby1 | hmm, my phone just buzzed to remind me of an appointment that's set to start tomorrow. |
| 22:01.32 | foobar` | not just maps app, the maps framework lib doesn't work on git base |
| 22:01.46 | offby1 | The reminder is supposed to come two hours before it starts ... |
| 22:01.55 | offby1 | but it's 14:00 here (PST8PDT). |
| 22:02.04 | offby1 | I fear the reminder came now because it's 22:00 GMT. |
| 22:03.25 | drakedevel | Just a small bug report: When accessing pages that send application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml as Content-Type (which is valid for XHTML Mobile Profile), the browser shows the source instead of rendering it. |
| 22:04.27 | foobar` | irc is good place for bug reports |
| 22:04.37 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 22:04.43 | foobar` | can pretty much be guaranteed it will be tracked/recorded |
| 22:05.47 | offby1 | 0_o |
| 22:05.52 | offby1 | you _are_ joking, yes? |
| 22:06.56 | drakedevel | offby1: I hope so |
| 22:07.26 | drakedevel | This isn't my phone, the owner (sitting next to me) asked me to complain for him, I don't know where it should go |
| 22:07.45 | xsdg | drakedevel: b.android.com |
| 22:08.01 | ttuttle | blushes. |
| 22:08.03 | ttuttle | files bug. |
| 22:08.04 | drakedevel | xsdg: Thank you |
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| 22:08.14 | drakedevel | points at ttuttle |
| 22:08.25 | ttuttle | points back at drakedevel's foolish non-XHTML website. |
| 22:08.31 | xsdg | drakedevel: also, what Content-Type? |
| 22:08.48 | drakedevel | xsdg: application/vnd.wap.xhtml+xml |
| 22:08.51 | ttuttle | also glares harshly at whoever decided the search and URL bars were the same, and that rtsp:// is not a valid beginning of a URL. |
| 22:08.54 | xsdg | drakedevel: oh, I see |
| 22:09.01 | ttuttle | drakedevel: Patches welcome, etc... |
| 22:10.00 | drakedevel | cat's /usr/bin/patch to IRC |
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| 22:10.20 | ttuttle | stabs drakedevel for adding a spurious apostrophe. |
| 22:10.48 | drakedevel | bleeds egregious grammetrical errors |
| 22:11.17 | ttuttle | mops up the mess. |
| 22:12.35 | ttuttle | wants A2DP :( |
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| 22:13.01 | ttuttle | P1ro: Greetings. |
| 22:13.17 | mikey| | drakedevel: i've come across that as well |
| 22:13.21 | mikey| | (the bug) |
| 22:13.22 | P1ro | o: |
| 22:13.28 | ttuttle | mikey|: Did you file it? |
| 22:13.36 | mikey| | forgot about it |
| 22:13.49 | mikey| | hides |
| 22:22.06 | d03boy | why do you have to use a CharSequence for a TextView |
| 22:22.14 | d03boy | i just want to append some text :| |
| 22:23.21 | jasta | d03boy: a String implements CharSequence, you know |
| 22:23.32 | d03boy | ah, that works then |
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| 22:50.24 | eldenz | do i need to reboot the phone to switch microsd card? |
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| 22:51.54 | DarkriftX | no |
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| 22:52.10 | TiberiumX | Can't you just unmount it in preferences? |
| 22:52.35 | orci | hi all, is there a project gutenberg reader? |
| 22:52.52 | eldenz | yeah but then the phone *could* still be doing stuff i guess.. although i assume it won't hurt then |
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| 22:55.53 | eldenz | hm, i'm feeling stupid. do i need to partition a new microsd special? |
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| 22:56.18 | DarkriftX | sometimes |
| 22:56.31 | eldenz | the old one shows weird things with fdisk.. and the new one is formatted as fat32, one partition. but it doesn't recognize it. |
| 22:56.35 | DarkriftX | some of the factory sd cards came with bad partitioning and were onyl readable by certain things |
| 22:56.54 | DarkriftX | yeah, seems they formatted the "card" but not a partition |
| 23:01.20 | eldenz | ah, it wasn't just a feeling... |
| 23:01.27 | eldenz | i had the usb cable still connected ;) |
| 23:02.07 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 23:17.36 | DarkriftX | anyone know why compare everywhere only works on electronics devices? |
| 23:18.01 | DarkriftX | ive scanned food products, household stuff, none every have prices or anything, but any electronics i scan it shows listings |
| 23:19.09 | orci | DarkriftX, I'd guess that electornic devices vary less than food products, hence easier to maintain a database? |
| 23:19.22 | DarkriftX | is it just because its new and has a low db, or because of...... yeah, what he said |
| 23:20.04 | DarkriftX | id love to be able to scan my 12pk of dr pepper and find who has the best price near me lol |
| 23:20.27 | DarkriftX | i dont buy lots of electronics (well, more than i should, but still) but i do buy tons of dr pepper, smokes etc |
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| 23:20.49 | DarkriftX | i will say its fast as hell though, the image pops up before i can even get a decent lock on the bar code |
| 23:21.50 | fnord_ | It would be more useful with a google search. I noticed the same issue |
| 23:22.06 | DarkriftX | i found one with google search, and it came up with no results for anything |
| 23:22.09 | xtt | which is better generally compare everywhere or shopsavvy ? |
| 23:22.15 | DarkriftX | i think it was just called barcode scanner |
| 23:22.28 | DarkriftX | oooh, i didnt know shopsavvy was the same general app |
| 23:23.14 | orci | DarkriftX, what is doctor perpper? is it a malt drink? |
| 23:23.41 | DarkriftX | heh |
| 23:23.49 | DarkriftX | its like coke |
| 23:23.50 | DarkriftX | but i like it more |
| 23:25.08 | d03boy | i <3 drpepper+captain |
| 23:25.38 | DarkriftX | lol |
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| 23:28.41 | Lieutenant | k i just got a WILD idea. first, is it possible to run some code with an app without the app actually opening ON the screen? like just have it run in the background without an interface. |
| 23:29.35 | orci | Lieutenant, of course it is possible, such as the dialer application |
| 23:31.25 | Lieutenant | okay, so i was wondering/here is my idea: how about make that print screen app JUST run the capture screen code when u click it. lets say i clicked the icon in my menu of the "PrintScreen" app, it will take a pic what whatever i was doing THE INSTANT i clicked that icon. (but obviously what we would see is the icon being clicked) |
| 23:31.53 | Lieutenant | would that be possible? just when u click an app, an interface doesn't come up, it just runs the code. |
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| 23:32.07 | JesusFreke1 | yeah, I think so. You could probably even assign a shortcut key to the app |
| 23:32.15 | Lieutenant | yeah thats where i was going |
| 23:32.25 | Lieutenant | the G1 comes with a "assign shortcut" to any app |
| 23:32.29 | JesusFreke1 | yep |
| 23:32.36 | Lieutenant | so all u gotta do is hit "Menu + P" or something to printscreen |
| 23:33.04 | Impossible | JesusFreke1: sorry to bug...any news on a rc30 1.2 kinda update for rc8? |
| 23:33.16 | JesusFreke1 | umm.. yeah :) |
| 23:33.21 | JesusFreke1 | out for a while now.. |
| 23:33.26 | Impossible | gah, soz |
| 23:33.37 | Impossible | just read all your rc30 1.2's and must have missed it |
| 23:33.42 | JesusFreke1 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=445544 |
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| 23:34.16 | Impossible | thanks alot |
| 23:34.17 | Lieutenant | k, since this idea isn't TOO wild, i'll post it on the forums (didn't wanna look like a fool on the boards haha) |
| 23:34.19 | JesusFreke1 | np :) |
| 23:34.27 | DarkriftX | i notice a lot of the apps i install are supposed to work in the background, but dont seem to auto start. is this a bug with the app, or not a feature of android (im sure it is, i dont see how auto start woudlnt be implemented) |
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| 23:35.41 | Lieutenant | darkrift, the smartuser app starts automatically when the phone starts. |
| 23:35.51 | Impossible | im looking at upgrading my rc7 release when i get a spare hour or two tommorow =) |
| 23:35.55 | DarkriftX | better to look liek a fool in real time then on a forum where your post stays forever huh? |
| 23:35.58 | DarkriftX | shit, afk 3 mins |
| 23:36.04 | Impossible | will have a tinker, thanks for the nfo...gonna get to bed now |
| 23:36.08 | Impossible | good night people |
| 23:37.01 | thesquib | how can you extract files from an apk? |
| 23:37.18 | offby1 | it's just a zip file |
| 23:37.19 | JesusFreke1 | rename it to .zip |
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| 23:37.20 | offby1 | use unzip |
| 23:37.29 | thesquib | hah! Thakns |
| 23:37.30 | thesquib | thanks |
| 23:37.49 | orci | apk file is not a jar file though, is it? |
| 23:39.48 | thesquib | hmmm... I have been trying to access files within the apk from code using getResourceAsStream but I always seem to get no data, even if the file is found. |
| 23:40.00 | thesquib | Anyone have ideas about that? |
| 23:40.54 | JesusFreke1 | orci jar files *are* zip files :) |
| 23:41.28 | orci | JesusFreke1, yeah, this is why asked if afk files are jar files or not |
| 23:41.44 | JesusFreke1 | they're all the same |
| 23:42.05 | JesusFreke1 | apks are zips.. jars are zips.. apks are jars.. jars are apks.. etc. :) |
| 23:42.34 | orci | JesusFreke1, apk and jar files are subsets of zip files |
| 23:42.57 | orci | JesusFreke1, they are not simply zipped files, they have a format in them but zip is used to compress them |
| 23:42.58 | thesquib | Oh i see, looks like it is a bug with android |
| 23:47.44 | thesquib | can you even use getResourceAsStream on files within the res folder? Or is it restricted to using R.* |
| 23:50.19 | Damm | orci, they are signed... but they are still zips |
| 23:50.37 | Damm | it's a standard zip except for the signature, and then the contents of course are so java-esque |
| 23:51.09 | orci | Damm, contents have to have special directory names, etc, am I right |
| 23:51.54 | Damm | orci, the contents have stuff like META-INF and such... however in the end, it's still a zip |
| 23:52.05 | Damm | your point is heard, but it's just not that complicated. |
| 23:53.11 | orci | yeah, I just wanted to say that sipping a file does not make it a jar file or an apk file |
| 23:53.39 | DarkriftX | i need a good compass app that will let me calibrate easily |
| 23:54.34 | Damm | orci, nope it does not. however you can unzip them and do what you want. |
| 23:54.46 | Damm | DarkriftX, orienter(sp) should work |
| 23:55.01 | Damm | that's what I use, standard compass using the acceleramater... as well as GPS |
| 23:55.07 | Damm | (gps for just geo caching crud) |
| 23:55.11 | DarkriftX | really |
| 23:55.16 | DarkriftX | seemed liek a good app, but it was way off |
| 23:55.21 | DarkriftX | and the spinning moving trick didnt work |
| 23:58.58 | xsdg | JesusFreke1: also note that apks (usually) don't contain Java bytecode at all |
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