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| 00:26.02 | anno^da_ | Linux is running now on the iPhone 3G |
| 00:26.29 | Versed | yeah I saw that. |
| 00:26.37 | Versed | http://blog.iphone-dev.org/post/62041396/linux-here-we-come |
| 00:27.09 | Versed | did anyone except me get an over the air update today? |
| 00:27.48 | offby1 | stares blankly |
| 00:27.56 | offby1 | that would be "no" |
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| 00:37.35 | obra | Versed: to what version? |
| 00:37.59 | Versed | not sure, I'm new to this myself. just got it when I was going to the bank today. |
| 00:38.36 | offby1 | poke around in the "About Phone" thingy under Settings, and see what version you've got. |
| 00:38.40 | offby1 | I think most of us have R30. |
| 00:39.01 | Versed | rc30 |
| 00:39.09 | Versed | I was checking as you asked |
| 00:39.21 | offby1 | boy, most of us got that weeks ago |
| 00:39.30 | Versed | I just bought the phone tuesday |
| 00:39.36 | offby1 | maybe you haven't had the phone on, with data, in a long time? |
| 00:39.49 | Versed | its been on |
| 00:40.08 | Versed | in anycase its done |
| 00:40.35 | offby1 | *shrug* |
| 00:40.51 | offby1 | maybe they distribute the updates alphabetically, and "Versed" comes late in the alphabet :) |
| 00:41.08 | Versed | who knows |
| 00:41.30 | Versed | well off, catch ya later going out for a beer and cigar |
| 00:41.50 | offby1 | hey! |
| 00:41.57 | offby1 | don't say that if you aren't going to send us some :-( |
| 00:42.19 | offby1 | instead, say something like "going off to accompany my wife while she shops for slipcovers", or something that won't make us envious |
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| 00:53.57 | meyou- | is there an android irc client yet? |
| 00:54.55 | elad | yup |
| 00:54.56 | elad | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:05.47 | dream_kill | why when using the system.img form the sources i always get the process com.android.phone has stopped unexpectedly.please try again |
| 01:05.54 | dream_kill | and the phone keep reboots ? |
| 01:10.23 | offby1 | elad: ooh! Gotta get that. |
| 01:10.43 | romainguy | dream_kill: what does the log say? |
| 01:11.41 | dream_kill | dmesg doesn't say anything |
| 01:11.48 | romainguy | logcat |
| 01:11.48 | dream_kill | what other log to look at? |
| 01:11.58 | dream_kill | 2 sec |
| 01:12.19 | ionstorm | is it just me or is the latest v1.2 firmware update slow as hell? |
| 01:12.29 | ionstorm | everything seems so much slower on my g1 |
| 01:12.32 | romainguy | there's no firmware 1.2 |
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| 01:12.46 | dream_kill | (he means the xda-devel one :P ) |
| 01:12.50 | ionstorm | yea |
| 01:12.56 | off-by-andy | ooh. nicer than emacs/erc/screen |
| 01:12.58 | ionstorm | mod 1.2 RC30 |
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| 01:14.39 | offby1 | OK, I'm giving the countercultured.net guy money |
| 01:16.24 | dream_kill | flashing a bootimg too so i get adb so can logcat :D |
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| 01:25.53 | bert0 | has anyone successfully connected a g1 to an ubuntu box? |
| 01:27.31 | ionstorm | yes |
| 01:27.46 | bert0 | figures |
| 01:28.00 | KNY | bert0, yes |
| 01:28.06 | KNY | did you follow the instructions? |
| 01:28.25 | bert0 | I haven't been able to get mine to work. I have tried different cables etc. |
| 01:28.30 | offby1 | bert0: "connected" how? I attach the USB cord to my ubuntu box every day; works fine |
| 01:28.34 | offby1 | copy files around etc. |
| 01:28.41 | offby1 | it's my _windows_ box that doesn't work. |
| 01:28.59 | bert0 | I just want to copy files to it |
| 01:29.16 | bert0 | it says that it can't mount it because there is no media |
| 01:30.35 | bert0 | Unable to mount location. No media in the drive. |
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| 01:31.33 | dream_kill | romainguy : is so fast the logcat :P |
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| 01:32.23 | bert0 | KNY are there special instructions for linux or something that I'm missing here? |
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| 01:33.35 | offby1 | bert0: not that I know of. I think mine worked fine the first time I tried :-| |
| 01:34.22 | bert0 | you just plugged it in, hit mount, and it shows up as a USB drive? |
| 01:35.01 | KNY | bert0, no, there are special instructions |
| 01:35.17 | KNY | http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware |
| 01:37.17 | dream_kill | seems the media provider causes a exeption |
| 01:38.13 | dream_kill | goup 0x40013e28 |
| 01:38.38 | Leeds | bert0: stupid question - you *do* have an SD card in the phone, right? |
| 01:38.54 | offby1 | an excellent question |
| 01:39.26 | Leeds | the phone itself does not mount - but it exports the SD card as USB mass storage |
| 01:39.29 | offby1 | I could imagine someone tearing open the box and not noticing the little SD card in there. |
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| 01:40.16 | Leeds | pokes bert0 |
| 01:40.44 | bert0 | Leeds yes |
| 01:40.48 | offby1 | children! No fighting |
| 01:41.33 | bert0 | KNY I did all that and still adb detects no devices |
| 01:41.46 | KNY | bert0, did you restart adb? |
| 01:41.51 | KNY | `adb kill-server` |
| 01:42.07 | Leeds | bert0: are you trying to mount or use adb? they aren't the same thing |
| 01:42.22 | bert0 | either way is fine by me |
| 01:42.31 | KNY | Leeds, if you can't see it with adb, it won't mount |
| 01:42.39 | bert0 | KNY it still doesn't detect |
| 01:42.46 | Leeds | KNY: assuming you have the debug over USB option turned on... |
| 01:43.01 | KNY | bert0, what Ubuntu? |
| 01:43.19 | bert0 | 8.04 lts |
| 01:43.55 | KNY | you copy and pasted the hardy instructions, right? |
| 01:43.58 | Leeds | bert0: are you plugged in directly or through a hub? can you verify that other USB devices work when plugged into the same socket? are you using the HTC cable or a different one? |
| 01:44.10 | bert0 | I replugged it in and now adb reads HT840GZ17015offline |
| 01:44.30 | bert0 | and it still won't mount, with the same error |
| 01:45.02 | bert0 | My thumb drives work in this usb port |
| 01:45.14 | KNY | you're getting an error? |
| 01:45.23 | bert0 | yea |
| 01:45.30 | bert0 | Unable to mount location. No media in the drive. |
| 01:46.02 | Leeds | what does dmesg tell you? |
| 01:46.53 | bert0 | lots |
| 01:47.07 | Leeds | that's unhelpful |
| 01:47.28 | Leeds | what does dmesg tell you about USB devices being plugged in? |
| 01:47.39 | bert0 | well what specifically do you want? The last line or all 10 pages |
| 01:48.00 | Leeds | take a guess |
| 01:48.25 | KNY | lsusb ? |
| 01:49.38 | bert0 | Bus 002 Device 010: ID 0bb4:0c02 High Tech Computer Corp. |
| 01:49.49 | KNY | hmm |
| 01:49.52 | KNY | mount -a? |
| 01:50.44 | bert0 | I still get the same error after mount -a |
| 01:51.51 | infernix | bert0: disconnect the phone. wait 10 seconds. connect the phone. select mout on the phone. then paste the output of "dmesg | tail -50" in a pastebin |
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| 01:53.14 | Leeds | morning loke_ |
| 01:53.42 | bert0 | http://pastebin.com/d268e3362 |
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| 01:56.07 | dream_kill | what is the max size for system.img :P ? |
| 01:56.31 | romainguy___ | you don't want to go over 64 MB :) |
| 01:57.17 | dream_kill | 70637952 |
| 01:57.42 | romainguy___ | the eng builds can go a little higher |
| 01:58.00 | romainguy___ | but for the retail build, we fail the build if it goes over 60 MB |
| 01:58.10 | dream_kill | k:P |
| 01:58.49 | dream_kill | seems the crashes are from the ***provider.apk |
| 01:59.27 | bert0 | are there any known sd cards that won't work with the g1? |
| 01:59.56 | Disconnect | full sized ones |
| 02:00.01 | bert0 | lol |
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| 02:00.50 | KNY | is it possible to have Spinners in a ListView? (with the Spinners having a different ListAdapter) |
| 02:00.53 | romainguy___ | yes |
| 02:01.09 | bert0 | It should be able to read a sandisk microSDHC 4gb card right? |
| 02:01.21 | romainguy___ | bert0: if it's formatted correctly yes |
| 02:01.29 | KNY | romainguy, I get an exception (give me a second, I'll get it) |
| 02:01.53 | bert0 | it should be formatted correctly if I just got it from the store right? |
| 02:01.58 | Disconnect | maybe |
| 02:01.58 | romainguy___ | no diea |
| 02:01.59 | romainguy___ | idea |
| 02:02.06 | romainguy___ | try to format it in FAT32 again |
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| 02:02.08 | romainguy___ | see if it helps |
| 02:03.04 | bert0 | I would but I don't have a way to read it without my G1 which won't mount |
| 02:03.13 | KNY | romainguy, java.lang.IllegalStateException: android.widget.Spinner is not a view that can be bounds by this SimpleAdapter |
| 02:03.32 | KNY | (ps, there's a bug that needs fixing :)) |
| 02:03.42 | romainguy___ | KNY: the exception is pretty explicit, SimpleAdapter doesn't know how to bind to a Spinner |
| 02:03.45 | romainguy___ | it is certainly not a bug |
| 02:03.51 | romainguy___ | either use SimpleAdapter's ViewBinder |
| 02:03.54 | romainguy___ | or use your own Adapter |
| 02:04.05 | KNY | romainguy, I meant the typo in the message was a "bug" |
| 02:04.31 | romainguy___ | ah |
| 02:06.18 | KNY | romainguy___, do you mean that I can't have a Spinner in a ListView that's built from a SimpleAdapter, or a SimpleAdapter populate a Spinner? |
| 02:06.34 | romainguy___ | a SimpleAdapter can populate a Spinner |
| 02:06.46 | romainguy___ | and a SimpleAdapter can create Spinners, if you use a ViewBinder |
| 02:07.16 | romainguy___ | SimpleAdapter is, as its name suggests, simple |
| 02:07.23 | romainguy___ | it knows about ImageView and TextView by default and that's it |
| 02:07.35 | romainguy___ | if you want something fancier, use a ViewBinder or make your own adapter |
| 02:07.36 | KNY | that's what I have. I have a SimpleAdapter.ViewBinder that I was going to use to populate the spinner with the SimpleCursorAdapter, but I get the exception before that |
| 02:08.50 | romainguy | because your ViewBinder is not implemented correctly |
| 02:09.00 | romainguy | you have to return true |
| 02:09.19 | KNY | okay, I'll see what I can do |
| 02:09.24 | KNY | and whoa, you changed nicks |
| 02:09.26 | KNY | magic. |
| 02:09.40 | romainguy | it's a powerful spell called a KVM :p |
| 02:09.50 | KNY | haha |
| 02:10.12 | dream_kill | romainguy: the mtd partitions are defined in the kernel or stored in the nand flash ? |
| 02:10.24 | romainguy___ | no idea |
| 02:10.35 | dream_kill | (the alocation for mtd partitions) |
| 02:10.38 | dream_kill | k |
| 02:10.47 | dream_kill | i wanted to make system bigger |
| 02:10.51 | dream_kill | and userdata smaller :DS |
| 02:11.14 | romainguy___ | what are you putting on system? |
| 02:11.23 | romainguy___ | I mean, why do you need to make it bigger? |
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| 02:11.59 | dream_kill | uff, now system.img from sources worked |
| 02:12.03 | dream_kill | but NO bluetooth :( |
| 02:13.50 | dream_kill | i love the camera :D |
| 02:14.00 | dream_kill | can play chess :D |
| 02:14.10 | dream_kill | (no image from camera) |
| 02:15.11 | romainguy___ | <sigh> iTunes |
| 02:15.33 | KNY | I hate iTunes |
| 02:15.37 | romainguy___ | I like it |
| 02:15.46 | SystemWizard | why the iTunes hate? |
| 02:15.47 | romainguy___ | but I just exported my Library to open it on another computer |
| 02:15.55 | romainguy___ | it's an XML file that contains 108,000 lines |
| 02:16.19 | KNY | SystemWizard, it's the biggest pile of crap ever, at least on Windows |
| 02:16.20 | ionstorm | shit, the iphone got a .torrent client |
| 02:16.28 | ionstorm | lol |
| 02:16.41 | ionstorm | i wonder how the g1 would handle bittorrent |
| 02:16.44 | SystemWizard | KNY: fair enough.. on the Mac it's pretty decent.. |
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| 02:17.43 | KNY | SystemWizard, can't watch folders, doesn't detect duplicates automatically, only mac/windows, required for iTouch use, bloated as hell, etc |
| 02:18.40 | SystemWizard | yea yea yea... I suppose that's all correct.. but I've tried other ipod managers (anapod comes to mind right away) and eventually they all trashed my iPod database |
| 02:19.59 | KNY | right, which is another beef I have with Apple :) |
| 02:20.10 | KNY | why should I need an "iPod manager"? |
| 02:20.13 | KNY | signs |
| 02:20.16 | KNY | sighs, too |
| 02:21.49 | SystemWizard | yea that's my single peeve with the the ipod |
| 02:21.57 | SystemWizard | I can't just copy files to it and call it good.. |
| 02:22.07 | SystemWizard | but if I have to deal with that, I'll use iTunes.. |
| 02:22.17 | bert0 | that's my beef with the g1 |
| 02:22.21 | KNY | haha |
| 02:22.27 | KNY | you're a fringe case, bert0 |
| 02:22.38 | bert0 | I know it sucks |
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| 02:22.44 | SystemWizard | all of the other windows and mac 'managers' for the iPod will eventuall trash the iPod database |
| 02:22.57 | KNY | so will iTunes |
| 02:23.02 | KNY | just try switching computers some time |
| 02:23.09 | bert0 | Even winmo could mount an sd card to my ubuntu computer |
| 02:23.18 | KNY | or, heaven forbid, reinstall your OS |
| 02:23.19 | SystemWizard | i did.. |
| 02:23.23 | SystemWizard | oh |
| 02:23.29 | SystemWizard | you're talking about auto-sync, right? |
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| 02:23.41 | KNY | no, it forces you to delete your music first |
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| 02:23.52 | KNY | at least with the iTouch it does |
| 02:24.12 | KNY | I think there's some way to export it or release it or something, but that doesn't help much if your HDD dies |
| 02:25.14 | SystemWizard | I haven't had that problem |
| 02:25.42 | KNY | I now have a WinXP virtualbox image just for iTunes |
| 02:26.05 | KNY | but I have to patch my linux kernel to get iTouch/iPhone & iTunes support |
| 02:26.23 | KNY | but yeah, that's a quick summary of why I hate iTunes. Glad you asked? |
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| 02:27.11 | SystemWizard | meh.. I've heard that before... |
| 02:27.40 | SystemWizard | so it's fine.. |
| 02:30.07 | SystemWizard | but I've never had any instance of itunes (where I turn out the option to manage the devices myself) take songs back off of an iPod or an iPod Touch.. |
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| 02:33.01 | KNY | romainguy, I got that Spinner to work a while ago, by the way |
| 02:33.04 | KNY | thanks |
| 02:33.57 | SystemWizard | spinner? do tell... |
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| 02:40.14 | KNY | SystemWizard, original question: is it possible to have Spinners in a ListView? (with the Spinners having a different ListAdapter) |
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| 02:53.53 | sparkle | ionstorm: the python bt client works pretty well on the g1 |
| 03:03.18 | SystemWizard | KNY: interesting.. never thought about it.. but I guess since I've seen a spinner it a listview it must be possible.. :) |
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| 05:36.18 | meyou- | so when i hook my g1 up to my pc via usb, it shows up as a removable device with no disk inserted. how do i fix this? |
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| 05:37.30 | Leeds | you insert a disk? |
| 05:37.37 | Leeds | or rather, an SD card |
| 05:37.52 | Damm | meyou-, open the notification and tell it to mount |
| 05:37.53 | Leeds | or really rather, a microSD or microSDHC card :-) |
| 05:38.00 | Damm | dur |
| 05:38.42 | Leeds | I'm not sure it shows at all unless you reply to the notification, does it? |
| 05:39.04 | meyou- | aww snap |
| 05:39.09 | meyou- | thanks |
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| 05:39.21 | Leeds | oops, sorry, it does... |
| 05:39.40 | meyou- | pretty cool |
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| 06:10.12 | marix_g1 | sup guys |
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| 06:13.54 | marix_g1 | busy night eh |
| 06:14.46 | JesusFreke | quite :) |
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| 06:17.32 | teratoma | is there an irc client for phone running android ? |
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| 06:20.44 | SystemWizard | nothing official yet teratoma |
| 06:20.50 | SystemWizard | lots under construction |
| 06:23.29 | sparkle | nods |
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| 06:23.49 | sparkle | if you've got root and some time, irssi works great :) |
| 06:27.11 | teratoma | how do i get to root prompt ? |
| 06:27.19 | teratoma | can i ssh from root prompt ? |
| 06:27.22 | wub_ | hmm.. what is app_thumbnails in the browser data folder? it's getting some huge files in it. |
| 06:27.44 | wub_ | google gives little in the way of answeers |
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| 06:28.07 | teratoma | you really got irssi running natively on your g1 ? |
| 06:28.10 | Surye | Is there anyway in the current API to access the SMS/MMS storage? |
| 06:28.31 | Gary|tp | IIRC no |
| 06:29.05 | wub_ | tet: there is an ssh client in the market called connectbot |
| 06:29.33 | wub_ | it's very good. i'm actually using it to get here :) |
| 06:30.06 | teratoma | yeah ive gone that. i misunderstood you. irssi natively on g1 would be weird. |
| 06:30.53 | armooo | Surye: http://pastebin.com/m2e7559d1 |
| 06:31.10 | wub_ | anyone know about this app_thumbnails dir? |
| 06:32.10 | unix_infidel | teratoma: it'd be impracticle first and foremost unless you were on wireless. |
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| 06:32.53 | teratoma | i assume if you wanted to use irc you would be connected to internet |
| 06:33.16 | Disconnect | teratoma: i think he's saying that using the radio drains the battery down fast |
| 06:33.45 | teratoma | how do you turn off wirelss ? |
| 06:33.54 | Surye | armooo: Hmm... interesting |
| 06:33.58 | Surye | armooo: Thanks |
| 06:36.11 | Surye | armooo: Does it treat MMS's different in this context? |
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| 06:39.29 | armooo | Surye: good question, but i did not have any mms's when I was exported mine so i am not sure. |
| 06:39.48 | Surye | I'll give it a go then when I get on my dev machine :) |
| 06:40.49 | Surye | My ultimate goal is to get to the pictures in the MMS |
| 06:42.37 | romainguy__ | wub_: hmm.. what is app_thumbnails in the browser data folder? it's getting some huge files in it. << it's a bug we fixed, sorry for that |
| 06:43.00 | Disconnect | romainguy_: does that go along with the browser cache dir bug? |
| 06:43.08 | romainguy__ | what cache dir bug? |
| 06:43.30 | Disconnect | browser puts cache files and stale window thumbs in the /data/ partition |
| 06:44.48 | romainguy__ | yeah that's part of it |
| 06:51.07 | Disconnect | didn't originally see that app_thumb was in the browser dir. so, speaking of stale window thumbs.. :) |
| 06:51.22 | Disconnect | anyway. 2am. crashy time. cya all! |
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| 07:05.47 | wub_ | romainguy_: what version is it fixed in? |
| 07:07.40 | romainguy__ | it hasn't been released yet |
| 07:08.14 | wub_ | ah k |
| 07:08.48 | wub_ | does it move the entire browser cache elsewhere too? off internal memory? |
| 07:08.56 | romainguy__ | er no |
| 07:10.02 | d0netsFN | do we have any progress on apps from sd? |
| 07:10.02 | wub_ | ok, but files in app thumbs wont accumulate forever? |
| 07:10.14 | romainguy__ | d0netsFN: no |
| 07:10.23 | romainguy__ | be patient the phone has been out for just a month |
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| 07:10.55 | d0netsFN | but thats a necessity |
| 07:10.59 | wub_ | indeed :) |
| 07:12.09 | romainguy__ | d0netsFN: that doesn't make it easier to do |
| 07:12.52 | d0netsFN | it should put it at the top of the list though |
| 07:13.12 | d0netsFN | they sure make haste to keep us from having root |
| 07:13.22 | romainguy__ | that's very different |
| 07:13.27 | romainguy__ | it was a huge security issue |
| 07:13.33 | d0netsFN | true |
| 07:13.33 | wub_ | is the primary issue that the sdcard is formatted as fat32 and not something that supports unix permissions |
| 07:14.00 | romainguy__ | wub_: that's one issue |
| 07:14.06 | romainguy__ | (and not using FAT32 is not an option :) |
| 07:14.37 | d0netsFN | you cant have an ext3 partition on sd? |
| 07:14.39 | romainguy__ | you're welcome to join the discussions about this on the mailing list |
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| 07:15.00 | romainguy__ | d0netsFN: that would require the sd card to be formatted by the phone only |
| 07:15.04 | romainguy__ | or to be reformatted |
| 07:15.08 | d0netsFN | right |
| 07:15.12 | romainguy__ | which can cause no end of trouble to preserve data |
| 07:15.17 | d0netsFN | m-parted? |
| 07:15.20 | wub_ | understood... i'm sure tons of people are bugging in this chan about it |
| 07:15.22 | d0netsFN | (mobile g parted) |
| 07:15.32 | romainguy__ | anyway, go read the discussions on the mailing list :) |
| 07:15.50 | romainguy__ | wub_: yeah, and they all make the same mistake and think it's easy |
| 07:16.00 | romainguy__ | another issue is graceful degradation |
| 07:16.08 | wub_ | no, i understand |
| 07:16.24 | romainguy__ | I didn't meaning the same mistake that you do :) |
| 07:16.30 | romainguy__ | -ing |
| 07:16.42 | romainguy__ | then there are the fun issues |
| 07:16.42 | wub_ | :) |
| 07:16.52 | romainguy__ | like what happens if you want to mount the SD while apps are running from it |
| 07:16.59 | romainguy__ | or what happens if you eject the sd from the phone |
| 07:16.59 | wub_ | yeah |
| 07:17.01 | romainguy__ | and so on |
| 07:17.06 | romainguy__ | I'm glad I'm not working on it :) |
| 07:17.21 | wub_ | heh |
| 07:19.02 | Damm | heh |
| 07:19.05 | wub_ | thanks for the info on app thumbs... trying to preserve my precious internal memory while i can |
| 07:19.09 | Damm | they have people running the browser cache from it. |
| 07:19.34 | Damm | romainguy__, hrm, didn't think the phone could handle ext2/3? |
| 07:19.39 | romainguy__ | it can't |
| 07:19.42 | romainguy__ | I never said it can |
| 07:19.55 | romainguy__ | afaik it handles yaffs and fat32 |
| 07:20.05 | Damm | right |
| 07:20.09 | Damm | and yaffs2/yaffs is an image |
| 07:20.16 | Damm | not exactly a filesystem from the utility's i've seen. |
| 07:20.36 | Damm | well it is |
| 07:20.45 | Damm | but not something I can convert the sd card into easily |
| 07:21.04 | Damm | you create the yaffs image with the files you want, and it creates a 'file' that is the filesystem. |
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| 07:25.52 | joeyjones | yay, i got the internet working stabely |
| 07:26.44 | joeyjones | now i just need flash player for android |
| 07:31.14 | unix_infidel | joeyjones: internet should be stable out of the box ;-P |
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| 07:31.47 | joeyjones | unix_infidel: it's a port of android on an htc touch/vogue |
| 07:34.45 | Damm | heh |
| 07:34.55 | Damm | isn't the vogue missing a few buttons? |
| 07:35.03 | Damm | compared to the dream |
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| 07:36.18 | joeyjones | yeah |
| 07:36.45 | joeyjones | it's quite a useable port though |
| 07:36.59 | unix_infidel | yea i'm actively looking forward to seeing how cross device android support will be handled in the SDK, if at all. |
| 07:37.05 | joeyjones | the virtual keyboard needs a lot of work though :p |
| 07:37.18 | romainguy__ | unix_infidel: we want to support that |
| 07:37.56 | romainguy__ | note that you can already change important things like the resolution |
| 07:38.02 | romainguy__ | but more needs to be done :)) |
| 07:38.06 | joeyjones | well... |
| 07:38.20 | joeyjones | the port for the vogue doesn;t have the resolution right |
| 07:38.31 | joeyjones | atleast on my handset |
| 07:38.46 | sparkle | yawns |
| 07:38.51 | sparkle | ext2 works fine on the sdcard |
| 07:38.57 | sparkle | provided you've got support in the kernel or a module |
| 07:38.59 | unix_infidel | romainguy__: yea we were talking about this at AndroidDevCamp. |
| 07:39.37 | unix_infidel | positing that, if developers have to go back to their codebase 8 months from now when a killer device is released that has a input model a little different from the G1 it'll drive a bunch of people cray |
| 07:39.39 | sparkle | but i still have a fat32 partition on there as well |
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| 07:39.54 | joeyjones | it seems like the SMS messaging and email apps aren't working properly, but otherwise it;s amazing |
| 07:42.04 | romainguy__ | unix_infidel: they probably will have to anyway when devices with higher resolutions, lower resolutions, higher densities, lower densities, etc. come out |
| 07:42.08 | romainguy__ | not necessarily big changes |
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| 07:42.23 | romainguy__ | and apps should still work |
| 07:42.29 | romainguy__ | but if you want your app to be perfect... :)) |
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| 07:43.28 | unix_infidel | romainguy__: right, which makes me think it'll be *at least* 9 months before we see the next Android phone. |
| 07:43.49 | romainguy__ | er how do you come up with that number? |
| 07:43.59 | unix_infidel | my magic hat. |
| 07:44.13 | romainguy__ | that's a useful answer... |
| 07:44.37 | unix_infidel | it's a guess, it's all conjecture. only you guys know the real answers ;-) |
| 07:45.02 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
| 07:45.03 | romainguy__ | after all the guesses here over the past year, I though you guys knew better by now :)) |
| 07:45.24 | romainguy__ | ok that script is getting annoying |
| 07:47.38 | unix_infidel | for instance, not having a back button on the next device would REALLY suck. |
| 07:47.57 | romainguy__ | that's pretty much part of what an Android device needs to have |
| 07:48.06 | romainguy__ | and if it's not a hard button, it must be at least a soft button |
| 07:48.22 | unix_infidel | romainguy__: knew better in terms of what you guys know and dont know or better at guessing ;-) |
| 07:48.23 | romainguy__ | but I wouldn't expect any android device to come out without back, home and menu |
| 07:48.41 | Damm | sparkle, yeah now that i'm thinking back I prolly shoulda kept root on my G1 |
| 07:48.50 | Damm | but ... it's not my phone it's my companies |
| 07:48.52 | sparkle | nods |
| 07:49.03 | Damm | didn't wanna root it, and then hear about it. |
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| 07:50.01 | romainguy__ | aaaaaaaaaaaaah! another discussion about root! |
| 07:50.05 | romainguy__ | runs away and hide |
| 07:50.05 | sparkle | chuckles |
| 07:50.13 | wub_ | lol |
| 07:50.28 | Damm | romainguy__, can you help me get root? |
| 07:50.35 | Damm | ... you know the root path? |
| 07:50.37 | Damm | j/k |
| 07:50.48 | romainguy__ | I can show you how to draw "root" with pretty effects ^^ |
| 07:51.27 | Damm | meh, i just want bt pan |
| 07:51.33 | sparkle | he could, but then he would have to kill you. |
| 07:51.42 | Damm | actually he couldn't |
| 07:51.50 | Damm | google's style is just as cramped |
| 07:52.09 | Damm | the Big T has the big G by the ballsack. |
| 07:52.36 | romainguy__ | lol |
| 07:53.47 | Damm | we'll see how AT&T works with Google and Sprint and such |
| 07:53.53 | Damm | I imagine it'll be quite similar. |
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| 07:58.57 | dream_kill | romainguy .. why the camera and IM compiled from source code not working on the device |
| 07:58.58 | dream_kill | ? |
| 07:59.13 | romainguy__ | IM because it doesn't come with any of the plugins |
| 07:59.16 | romainguy__ | camera, no idea |
| 07:59.19 | dream_kill | (they run but camera doesn't get ANY images from the real hardware) |
| 07:59.22 | romainguy__ | missing drivers? |
| 07:59.46 | dream_kill | using the real kernel from the device |
| 07:59.52 | dream_kill | so..should have all drivers! |
| 08:00.04 | romainguy__ | except if the drivers are not built into the kernel? |
| 08:00.09 | romainguy__ | anyway, I have no idea |
| 08:01.27 | dream_kill | k |
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| 08:06.46 | wub_ | is there somewhere thst i can see what features are being added and bugs have been fixed so that i can not bug this channel with such questions? |
| 08:07.19 | wub_ | i have a feature request and a bug but i cannot imagine i'm the only one |
| 08:07.36 | romainguy__ | no, we're still working on moving to an external bug tracker |
| 08:07.49 | romainguy__ | and we'll soon move all development to the git repository |
| 08:07.55 | romainguy__ | so file away |
| 08:08.03 | romainguy__ | we'll close your bugs if they've been fixed already |
| 08:08.24 | wub_ | k :) |
| 08:08.30 | romainguy__ | what are they? |
| 08:09.18 | wub_ | feature request: ability to turn off cell radio only, leaving wifi, gps on |
| 08:09.25 | joeyjones | i really wish that google and htc would release an un-branded phone |
| 08:09.45 | aramirez | Excuse me, is there someone here who speak spanish? |
| 08:09.56 | joeyjones | aramirez: doubt it :p |
| 08:10.15 | aramirez | :s |
| 08:10.17 | romainguy__ | wub_: interesting, I don't know if that's possible (not technically, but legally, regarding the obligation to let the user place emergency calls - and yes i know about the airplane mode :) |
| 08:10.30 | wub_ | in my office at work, i get a very poor signal and i'm guessing that the phone spends a lot of time searching for the network and wasting my battery |
| 08:10.36 | romainguy__ | yep :( |
| 08:10.52 | wub_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:11.55 | joeyjones | romainguy__: it looks like windows mobile allow it, so... |
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| 08:12.13 | wub_ | so why couldnt emergency calls turn the cell radio back on? |
| 08:12.20 | romainguy__ | joeyjones: like I said, I don't know :) |
| 08:12.51 | wub_ | the bug is ... you know how opening the menu and typing letters will match apps? |
| 08:12.59 | romainguy__ | you mean on Home? |
| 08:13.22 | wub_ | well, yes, but with the menu slid open |
| 08:13.27 | romainguy__ | yes I see |
| 08:13.35 | romainguy__ | so what's the bug? |
| 08:13.40 | wub_ | typing on home opens contacts and starts matching |
| 08:13.47 | romainguy__ | yes |
| 08:14.25 | wub_ | so if you have a folder open on top of the home screen and then slide the menu open to find an app to add to the folder... |
| 08:14.34 | romainguy__ | yes? |
| 08:14.48 | wub_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:15.12 | wub_ | i'm typing all of this on a g1, hence the slowness ;) |
| 08:15.12 | romainguy__ | hmm no |
| 08:15.32 | romainguy__ | if I have a folder open and the slider opened and type, it works just fine |
| 08:15.37 | romainguy__ | note that the focus has to be in the list of apps |
| 08:15.54 | wub_ | let me try again real quick |
| 08:16.55 | wub_ | could it be something that was fixed in rc30? |
| 08:17.26 | wub_ | i got a replacement g1 tthis week and havent received the ota update yet |
| 08:17.31 | romainguy__ | I doubt it |
| 08:17.32 | wub_ | still on rc29 |
| 08:17.33 | romainguy__ | I wrote Home |
| 08:17.41 | romainguy__ | and I didn't fix such a thing in rc30 |
| 08:17.48 | wub_ | it's still doing it |
| 08:17.52 | romainguy__ | but like I said, the focus has to be inside the list of all apps |
| 08:18.14 | wub_ | i dont see how the focus could be on anything else |
| 08:18.29 | romainguy__ | it can be on the drawer's tab |
| 08:18.51 | romainguy__ | it also works if the focus is nowhere |
| 08:19.29 | wub_ | ...why would i want to open contacts if the focus is on the drawer's tab and the drawer is open? ;) |
| 08:19.42 | d0netsFN | hey which activity is it again in anycut for gps? |
| 08:20.00 | wub_ | can i force the focus to be in the window by scrollong it a bit? |
| 08:20.13 | romainguy__ | wub_: just go right with the trackball? |
| 08:20.14 | wub_ | d03boy: unlock pattern |
| 08:20.18 | romainguy__ | or open the drawer with the touch screen |
| 08:20.27 | wub_ | i did that |
| 08:20.45 | wub_ | here is precisely what i am doing |
| 08:21.32 | wub_ | keyboard is open, tap on folder to open it, tap on drawer to slide it open, type.... |
| 08:21.51 | romainguy__ | and it works ^^ |
| 08:22.28 | wub_ | oohhhh no! it looks like the focus is staying on the folder |
| 08:22.45 | wub_ | i can see the icon highlighted orange under the drawer |
| 08:22.57 | wub_ | want me to send you a picture? |
| 08:23.08 | romainguy__ | probably got fixed then |
| 08:23.13 | romainguy__ | because I can't reproduce |
| 08:23.14 | joeyjones | so apparently the htc touch pro doesn;t have gps, but the htc touch/vogue does |
| 08:23.22 | romainguy__ | at least on post rc30 |
| 08:23.34 | wub_ | i can move the trackball around and see it scroll around the folder |
| 08:23.48 | wub_ | lemme yry something |
| 08:23.51 | wub_ | oops |
| 08:24.09 | wub_ | i still have my old device that has rc30 |
| 08:24.31 | wub_ | i realize it may have been fixed after |
| 08:28.01 | wub_ | still doing it in rc30 so hopefully it got fixed later then |
| 08:29.23 | romainguy__ | apparently it did |
| 08:29.26 | romainguy__ | since I cannot reproduce it |
| 08:29.34 | wub_ | thanks for listening to all of that romain... :) |
| 08:29.38 | romainguy__ | np |
| 08:30.13 | romainguy__ | I'll try to filter the list of apps when the focus is on the drawer tab |
| 08:30.22 | romainguy__ | the problem will be to do it in a non-disgusting way |
| 08:30.23 | romainguy__ | :) |
| 08:31.02 | wub_ | is it possible to file the cell radio one as a feature request? at least someone could look into it re: the legal issue you mentioned |
| 08:31.23 | romainguy__ | sure |
| 08:31.29 | romainguy__ | you can file any feature request you want |
| 08:31.34 | romainguy__ | it just doesn't mean it's gonna happen :)) |
| 08:31.39 | wub_ | i cant be the only one that spends 8+ hours in a place with crappy reception |
| 08:31.44 | wub_ | i understand |
| 08:32.15 | romainguy__ | (some people think that filing a bug/request means it will be accepted, I'm just disclosing :) |
| 08:32.47 | JesusFreke | wants to make toast with android. please make it happen |
| 08:32.59 | romainguy__ | Toast.makeText()? :) |
| 08:33.05 | wub_ | nope, i know how development works.. ;) |
| 08:40.10 | wub_ | ok where the heck do i request a feature? google search is coming up with all kinds of archives and other stuff. |
| 08:41.10 | romainguy__ | code.google.com/p/android/issues |
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| 08:41.26 | wub_ | thanks! |
| 08:41.27 | xsdg | or, easier to remember, b.android.com |
| 08:42.18 | tmzt | joeyjones: raph doesn't have gps? |
| 08:56.57 | joeyjones | tmzt: i think it has one, but it refuses to connect |
| 08:57.04 | joeyjones | since it atleast shows up |
| 08:57.24 | tmzt | joeyjones: what carrier/amss version is it? that would determine whether it works |
| 08:57.40 | joeyjones | it's telus mobility, no idea about the amss |
| 08:57.51 | tmzt | oh, they might disable it then |
| 08:58.22 | joeyjones | they include a custom/branded gps application |
| 08:58.24 | tmzt | normally you should be able to cat /dev/smd7 and get nmea, maybe after setting something with proc_comm (in the kernel) |
| 08:58.48 | tmzt | then they probably use the qualcomm agps over ip |
| 08:59.19 | tmzt | there might be information on xda-developers.com |
| 08:59.23 | joeyjones | yeah |
| 08:59.30 | joeyjones | i plan to read up on it later |
| 08:59.49 | joeyjones | my htc touch/vogue wasn;t supposed to have gps but i did a ROM update and now it works |
| 09:00.00 | tmzt | also telus? |
| 09:00.11 | joeyjones | i wonder if it might not be enabled in the ROM |
| 09:00.15 | joeyjones | naw, bell mobility |
| 09:00.57 | tmzt | you build a kernel or use dzo? |
| 09:01.05 | tmzt | so, android 0.8? |
| 09:01.15 | joeyjones | if he wasn't such a failure at technology i;d tell him to flash a new ROM |
| 09:01.37 | joeyjones | i flashed the new bell wm rom and run the dzo android off of it |
| 09:02.23 | tmzt | I'm trying to find out if disabling fbcon is enough to make 1.0 work, there is a check for it in the code |
| 09:02.42 | tmzt | that requires building a kernel though |
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| 09:03.00 | joeyjones | i really like the port though |
| 09:03.13 | joeyjones | but i keep noticing quirks as i go |
| 09:03.17 | tmzt | we had everything working mounting yaffs2 but after exec'ing init (android init) it just failed |
| 09:04.11 | joeyjones | i actually flashed the ROM because android complained about me using an old radio |
| 09:05.17 | joeyjones | tmzt: i'm following rumors of the htc touch hd getting an android release |
| 09:05.48 | tmzt | I wonder if zune7 is even coming after reading some reports from pdc |
| 09:06.09 | tmzt | touchflo can only go so far |
| 09:06.24 | joeyjones | zune7? |
| 09:06.32 | tmzt | wm7 with zune player |
| 09:06.44 | joeyjones | lol |
| 09:06.59 | tmzt | still a ce5.5 kernel I think |
| 09:07.24 | tmzt | which is good news if you want to run android, because you can launch linux with haret |
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| 09:08.02 | joeyjones | i expect that if done properly android will surpass wm and the iphone within a year |
| 09:08.38 | gambler | thx walt mossberg |
| 09:08.53 | gambler | joeyjones, you running android on the Touch? - how is that |
| 09:08.59 | tmzt | it has a similar java architechure to blackberry it looks like, with the intents being like palm cmds and stacks like bb api |
| 09:09.03 | joeyjones | tmzt: apparently my human computer interaction teacher wants me to demo android in class one day |
| 09:09.07 | joeyjones | gambler: very well |
| 09:09.37 | gambler | joeyjones, what are the nonworking bits? I hear you cant answer calls yet on the openmoko |
| 09:09.47 | tmzt | ril |
| 09:09.48 | joeyjones | i can answer and place calls |
| 09:09.51 | joeyjones | send and receive sms |
| 09:09.56 | joeyjones | internet works |
| 09:09.57 | tmzt | openmoko needs a mux driver |
| 09:09.57 | gambler | nonworking |
| 09:10.05 | joeyjones | email app doesn;t seem to work |
| 09:10.16 | joeyjones | cmera should be sort of working now |
| 09:10.19 | joeyjones | *camera |
| 09:10.32 | tmzt | on vogue? |
| 09:10.39 | joeyjones | the resolution if fucked for a lot of things |
| 09:10.43 | joeyjones | tmzt: yeah |
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| 09:12.15 | tmzt | do you know if dzo is android 0.8 or 1.0? I don't know where to find that |
| 09:12.40 | gambler | joeyjones, whats the boot time like? |
| 09:12.56 | joeyjones | gambler: < 30 seconds |
| 09:13.07 | joeyjones | tmzt: if this might help: "Update(24/9/08): Updated to the newest SDK (1.0), Audio should work well now. SMS Works using the Google app. " |
| 09:13.29 | tmzt | so he's still using emulator builds released by google? |
| 09:13.46 | joeyjones | i'm not really sure what he's using |
| 09:14.17 | tmzt | there's some work on getting trout (g1) builds on I think vogue, but at least raphael (Touch Pro) |
| 09:14.28 | tmzt | which should allow the g1 builds to work |
| 09:14.57 | joeyjones | i hate though how in his port there's no way to swap between programs or easily eit apps |
| 09:15.16 | tmzt | on which? |
| 09:15.22 | joeyjones | the back button usually exits, but it can be a bitch to exit the browser |
| 09:15.40 | tmzt | there must be some way to map the other buttons, red/green? dpad? |
| 09:15.45 | tmzt | then camera |
| 09:15.45 | joeyjones | do |
| 09:16.10 | joeyjones | i think it's mapped in the kernel or a shell script somewhere |
| 09:16.35 | tmzt | the windows amss's don't have qmi, which I think is the big thing g1 android expects |
| 09:16.50 | joeyjones | qmi? |
| 09:17.01 | tmzt | there's not much abstraction in base.git for these things |
| 09:17.23 | tmzt | qmi being the interface to bring up/shutdown the internet connection on the phone/modem |
| 09:17.35 | tmzt | dzo and other ports use ppp instead |
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| 09:17.45 | tmzt | and just bring it up before starting android |
| 09:18.32 | joeyjones | so qmi enables/disables the connection as it's needed by apps? |
| 09:18.38 | tmzt | yes |
| 09:18.50 | joeyjones | sounds like a battery saver :p |
| 09:18.54 | tmzt | I think some apps won't start without detecting network some way, but I don't know how |
| 09:18.57 | fnord_ | hmmm anyone here familiar with iptables? |
| 09:20.21 | joeyjones | tmzt: i'm starting to get sick of dealing with starting ppp every time i boot into android |
| 09:20.28 | tmzt | fnord_: you can ask a question, so someone can try to answer it |
| 09:20.35 | fnord_ | tmzt, :P |
| 09:21.15 | tmzt | fnord_: sorry, I can bring up nat but I don't know all the firewall stuff |
| 09:21.22 | fnord_ | Okay I know how to redirect --dport --to ip:port on a -gateway/nat- machine, but not for apps running on localhost |
| 09:21.42 | fnord_ | As in I want to run a transparent proxy on my phone, for my phone :P |
| 09:21.48 | fnord_ | wants privoxy |
| 09:22.26 | tmzt | I think I just read how to do that, but it was an old HOWTO so something might have changed |
| 09:22.37 | joeyjones | tmzt: not likely :p |
| 09:22.42 | tmzt | but you can lookup transparent proxy and iptables |
| 09:22.47 | fnord_ | I did |
| 09:22.49 | tmzt | well, I lost those pages anyway |
| 09:22.57 | fnord_ | Very helpful on setting it up on a nat box |
| 09:23.11 | fnord_ | But not so much for local |
| 09:23.18 | tmzt | but it was network admnistrator guide or one of the ldp howtos |
| 09:23.42 | fnord_ | is rather familiar with iptables but is now stumped |
| 09:24.20 | fnord_ | Though I suppose I could route all my phone's traffic over an openvpn link and map defaultroute to the other end, but the battery drains quicker when i do that |
| 09:24.30 | joeyjones | any idea why even though i replace all the files in the dzo android .zip (including the data.gz and system.gz files) installed apps and icons added are still there? |
| 09:25.01 | tmzt | PREROUTING --dport -j REDIRECT --to-port |
| 09:25.09 | fnord_ | Yeah |
| 09:25.16 | tmzt | didn't work? |
| 09:25.19 | fnord_ | Nope. |
| 09:27.02 | fnord_ | [0:S2][root@fnord:pts/4]/var/www/html> host yahoo.com |
| 09:27.02 | fnord_ | yahoo.com has address 206.190.60.37 |
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| 09:27.08 | fnord_ | [1:S2][root@fnord:pts/4]/var/www/html> host google.com |
| 09:27.08 | fnord_ | google.com has address 74.125.45.100 |
| 09:27.15 | fnord_ | [2:S2][root@fnord:pts/4]/var/www/html> iptables -t nat -I PREROUTING -p tcp -d 206.190.60.37 --dport 80 -j REDIRECT --to 74.125.45.100:80 |
| 09:27.15 | fnord_ | [0:S2][root@fnord:pts/4]/var/www/html> wget -qO- 206.190.60.37|grep title |
| 09:27.15 | fnord_ | <html><head><title>Yahoo!</title><meta name="ROBOTS" content="NOINDEX" /><style> |
| 09:28.01 | tmzt | something to do with PREROUTING and localhost (loopback) I think |
| 09:28.26 | tmzt | can you try in INPUT or OUTPUT on -t filter? |
| 09:29.02 | fnord_ | Tried that too |
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| 09:35.12 | tmzt | and mangle? |
| 09:35.28 | fnord_ | hrrrrm |
| 09:36.54 | joeyjones | tmzt: it looks like updating broke it :p |
| 09:37.06 | tmzt | the rom? |
| 09:37.21 | joeyjones | dzo android |
| 09:37.28 | tmzt | oh, good, not the rom |
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| 09:37.51 | joeyjones | <3 haret.exe |
| 09:38.17 | tmzt | right, I thought you meant updating the windows image (nb) or whatever |
| 09:38.20 | tmzt | as in flashing it |
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| 09:38.30 | tmzt | haret is good, just pull the battery |
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| 09:41.24 | fnord_ | I just realized the obvious |
| 09:41.55 | fnord_ | forwarding all port 80 to a proxy running locally won't work :P~~ dur |
| 09:41.56 | Leeds | snow is cold and the sky is blue? |
| 09:42.24 | tmzt | http://www.usenet-forums.com/linux-networking/63049-iptables-transparent-proxy-browser-localhost.html |
| 09:42.33 | tmzt | I don't know if this is the complete answer or not |
| 09:42.49 | tmzt | but it is based on squid connecting out from a privledged port |
| 09:43.39 | tmzt | I think the only other way to do it is virtual interfaces or bridging of some kind, and custom ip rule's (policy routing) |
| 09:43.40 | fnord_ | peers |
| 09:43.48 | fnord_ | Yeah |
| 09:44.15 | fnord_ | Speaking of which, anyone know how to make a virtual network to bridge to? :P |
| 09:44.55 | tmzt | about the same way you do openvpn I think, with tuntap |
| 09:45.21 | fnord_ | Yeh I use p2p in openvpn. |
| 09:45.37 | tmzt | or, brctl to create bridges, then delete the routing rules between them creating a custom routing table for each |
| 09:45.44 | tmzt | Policy Routing HOWTO |
| 09:46.09 | fnord_ | Or the IOS emu |
| 09:46.22 | tmzt | sure, you have one for arm? |
| 09:46.51 | tmzt | I would be happy if I could telnet to routers in packet tracer |
| 09:46.55 | fnord_ | I think it's open source. But it's very excessive. I'd probably only try to port it for the sheer insanity of it |
| 09:47.06 | fnord_ | packet tracer == ? |
| 09:47.18 | tmzt | they didn't implement that and I don't want to figure out it's protocol |
| 09:47.27 | tmzt | cisco network emulator |
| 09:47.33 | fnord_ | Aha |
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| 09:48.07 | tmzt | you have a link/name for that? |
| 09:48.28 | fnord_ | http://www.ipflow.utc.fr/index.php/Cisco_7200_Simulator#Download |
| 09:48.51 | tmzt | the funny things is these network are very simple and could be defined in a net list, but we use a graphical tool to lay them out |
| 09:48.55 | fnord_ | also dynagen |
| 09:49.10 | fnord_ | http://dynagen.org/ is the frontend |
| 09:49.57 | tmzt | wow, now I need vserver or namespaces on arm linux so I can have multiple pc's |
| 09:50.09 | fnord_ | Real emulator. For example, the faq states: Can you provide a Cisco IOS image for a 3600 or a 7200 to me ? |
| 09:50.09 | fnord_ | No, I am not allowed to distribute any IOS image. You will have to find one by yourself, this should not be a problem if you are a Cisco customer. |
| 09:50.26 | fnord_ | qemu? |
| 09:50.43 | tmzt | only 7200 supported? |
| 09:51.02 | tmzt | student, don't think I can get those |
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| 09:52.03 | fnord_ | That would be hilarious to run dynagen and a couple of virtual machines on the g1 |
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| 09:55.02 | tmzt | it looks like its using mono cli |
| 09:57.48 | fnord_ | mono cli == ? |
| 10:00.26 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:00.44 | sparkle | hey fnord_ |
| 10:00.50 | sparkle | big problem with the g1 is memory size |
| 10:00.54 | sparkle | second big problem is mem bandwidth |
| 10:01.12 | fnord_ | sparkle, for network emulation insanity? |
| 10:01.16 | sparkle | if you don't want to ditch the basic dalvik apps you don't have much free mem |
| 10:01.29 | tmzt | qemu support for 2600 or similar should be doable, but I'd rather have something like packettracer |
| 10:01.43 | tmzt | no machine emulation for that I think |
| 10:01.47 | fnord_ | Yeah. class 8 sdcard + swap. It would run horribly, but this would only be something I'd do to see if I can do it |
| 10:01.49 | sparkle | i bet the cisco sim would run, but you'd need paging space |
| 10:02.00 | sparkle | have you played with using swap on the g1? |
| 10:02.09 | tmzt | class 8 don't help if the dma is still disabled |
| 10:02.10 | sparkle | set vm.page-cluster to zero for a *major* improvement |
| 10:02.23 | fnord_ | Nope not yet |
| 10:02.34 | tmzt | sparkle: where do you do that? |
| 10:02.40 | sparkle | sysctl or through /proc |
| 10:02.57 | spikebike | sparkle dunno |
| 10:02.59 | tmzt | so that makes it page one page (4k) at a time? |
| 10:03.00 | fnord_ | I'd really love to rewrite the common apps in C and somehow have them run through the vm |
| 10:03.10 | sparkle | right tmzt |
| 10:03.11 | spikebike | 100MB/sec seems pretty reasonable considering the power of the PCU |
| 10:03.13 | spikebike | CPU |
| 10:03.20 | sparkle | otherwise it will by default page 8 (32k) at a go |
| 10:03.40 | sparkle | echo 0 >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 10:03.40 | sparkle | echo 0 >/proc/sys/vm/page-cluster |
| 10:03.40 | sparkle | swapon -a |
| 10:03.45 | tmzt | arm won't like that |
| 10:03.48 | tmzt | I see |
| 10:03.48 | fnord_ | Hell I'd like a native app to run through the vm. Well, not -quite- the vm, but as a normal android app. Some java wrapper maybe? |
| 10:04.04 | sparkle | it's not so much an arm issue as - normally paging a bunch out at once helps with hd access times |
| 10:04.05 | fnord_ | Unfortunately every java app seems like a terrible pig |
| 10:04.05 | tmzt | I use swap on a pxa now, with hdd cf so that might help there too |
| 10:04.14 | sparkle | since flash has no access time but is slow, you want to page out individually |
| 10:04.22 | sparkle | fnord_: jni |
| 10:04.28 | fnord_ | jni? |
| 10:04.28 | sparkle | you can invoke native methods |
| 10:04.30 | tmzt | well, surfaceflinger is all in c |
| 10:04.42 | sparkle | there's some demo code out there |
| 10:04.47 | fnord_ | sparkle, but it doesn't fork out the native code and quit does it? |
| 10:04.54 | tmzt | you just need binder access I think, then add support to servicemanager for .so or bins |
| 10:05.01 | fnord_ | I wouldn't want a 10 meg wrapper to run for no reason |
| 10:05.03 | sparkle | no, you invoke native code through entry points and it will hand back control |
| 10:05.16 | fnord_ | Hmm |
| 10:05.16 | sparkle | kind of like using rpc |
| 10:05.18 | sparkle | actually |
| 10:05.23 | sparkle | hm |
| 10:05.23 | fnord_ | That would be really cool |
| 10:05.30 | fnord_ | Really really cool :D |
| 10:05.53 | sparkle | basically you build your routines into a library |
| 10:05.53 | fnord_ | jni+xnest :D |
| 10:06.02 | sparkle | shrugs |
| 10:06.08 | tmzt | sure, but wouldn't ui still be in java? |
| 10:06.13 | sparkle | honestly i think a vnc client within the jvm would be the way to go |
| 10:06.20 | sparkle | it's simpler than any x server implementation |
| 10:06.30 | sparkle | and the vnc disconnectability is a big plus on android |
| 10:06.36 | sparkle | where your app may go away at any reason |
| 10:06.38 | tmzt | there's already a vnc server for each application, it's just disabled in the source |
| 10:06.41 | sparkle | and need to recover itself when it comes back |
| 10:06.44 | sparkle | tmzt: vnc client |
| 10:06.58 | sparkle | then you just run Xvnc on the g1 itself natively |
| 10:07.04 | sparkle | that already works fine, you can use a vnc client on another box |
| 10:07.08 | fnord_ | X seems more responsive over network, but I've not tested vncserver without compression |
| 10:07.42 | tmzt | I would like to see sdl with MSMFB_BLIT support, I think then it could run right on the framebuffer |
| 10:08.00 | tmzt | but surfaceflinger and binder access to gpu looks good too |
| 10:08.34 | tmzt | there's no point doing compression with shared memory I think |
| 10:08.39 | fnord_ | And a lightweight toolkit |
| 10:11.55 | sparkle | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.55 | sparkle | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:11.58 | sparkle | still kinda big :-/ |
| 10:12.16 | fnord_ | Heh |
| 10:12.21 | fnord_ | Alarm clock is 10 megs RSS |
| 10:12.36 | sparkle | heh |
| 10:12.41 | fnord_ | can you ldd the bin? is it static, or is it linked to x libs? |
| 10:12.53 | sparkle | that's linked |
| 10:12.59 | fnord_ | to the x libs? |
| 10:13.04 | sparkle | no point in not building it shared |
| 10:13.15 | sparkle | once you make the committment to using stuff outside the android libds |
| 10:13.37 | fnord_ | Well, a static link against uclibc might be smaller |
| 10:13.56 | fnord_ | or is it linked to bionic? |
| 10:13.56 | sparkle | i figure i'm going to have a normal libc in memory most of the time anyway |
| 10:14.00 | fnord_ | Ahh |
| 10:14.09 | sparkle | there is no point in not building everything shared if i want to same mem |
| 10:14.20 | sparkle | that and i run with paging on most of the time |
| 10:15.35 | fnord_ | Not to mention debian :P |
| 10:15.47 | fnord_ | A vnc client would be needed |
| 10:16.04 | joeyjones | tmzt: yeah, seems it no longer boots into dzo's android |
| 10:16.23 | fnord_ | tmzt, has anyone succeeded in accessing the framebuffer natively? |
| 10:16.51 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:17.00 | tmzt | but X just stops after drawing a frame |
| 10:17.32 | fnord_ | s/accessing/rendering something, anything/; |
| 10:17.48 | fnord_ | s/anything/anything on the/ |
| 10:17.56 | tmzt | hi infobot |
| 10:17.59 | fnord_ | Cute. |
| 10:19.14 | tmzt | fnord_: which device are you on? |
| 10:19.43 | joeyjones | tmzt: it looks like it's booting now :p |
| 10:19.53 | tmzt | oh, sorry, joeyjones |
| 10:20.19 | joeyjones | it seems like some of the files it used were in the root of my sd card, so it hadn;t been properly updating |
| 10:20.30 | joeyjones | sinc ei only replaced the files in sd/android :p |
| 10:20.34 | tmzt | the .img files? |
| 10:20.58 | tmzt | it extracts something to the card |
| 10:21.25 | fnord_ | sparkle |
| 10:21.27 | fnord_ | USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND |
| 10:21.27 | fnord_ | root 9586 0.0 0.8 4564 844 pts/1 S 10:20 0:00 \_ 1/busybox ash |
| 10:21.27 | fnord_ | root 9587 0.0 0.8 3196 800 pts/1 S 10:20 0:00 \_ 2/busybox ash |
| 10:21.27 | fnord_ | root 9588 0.0 0.2 944 268 pts/1 S 10:20 0:00 \_ 3/busybox ash |
| 10:21.42 | fnord_ | 1 = static glibc. 2 = dynamic glibc. 3 = static uclibc :P |
| 10:21.51 | fnord_ | That's why I'm struggling to port things to that |
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| 10:22.04 | fnord_ | tmzt, gpone |
| 10:22.07 | fnord_ | gphone |
| 10:22.55 | sparkle | nods |
| 10:23.30 | tmzt | fnord_: what's going on there? you started on ash from another? |
| 10:24.08 | tmzt | oh, VSZ |
| 10:24.19 | fnord_ | yeah but only due to lazyness |
| 10:24.25 | fnord_ | I've not ported screen yet |
| 10:24.59 | joeyjones | tmzt: have you heard about the weirdness in the maps app when using mylocation/gps on dzo? |
| 10:25.03 | tmzt | I use glibc since debian uses it, my 64m pxa is usable but I don't run anything like android |
| 10:25.16 | fnord_ | glibc is a pig |
| 10:25.18 | tmzt | joeyjones: no |
| 10:25.52 | fnord_ | and you can't static link while retaining resolver functionality. Unless you build your own glibc with --enable-static-nss |
| 10:26.07 | joeyjones | tmzt: it shows you moving around in a city in california |
| 10:26.29 | tmzt | wow |
| 10:26.41 | tmzt | but why are you static linking glibc? fnord_ ? |
| 10:26.43 | sparkle | wtf do you want to statically link |
| 10:26.44 | sparkle | seriously |
| 10:26.52 | tmzt | joeyjones: can yu get a shell? |
| 10:26.54 | sparkle | there is no way that does not hurt you memory wise |
| 10:26.57 | joeyjones | yup |
| 10:27.07 | tmzt | cat /dev/smd7 |
| 10:27.33 | fnord_ | sparkle, static glibc was so wget could resolve. Then I gave up and tossed in the glibc libs. But I thought busybox should be static, so I linked to uclibc |
| 10:27.46 | joeyjones | tmzt: no such file... |
| 10:27.56 | tmzt | oh, because wget is so simple in busybox |
| 10:28.05 | tmzt | joeyjones: cat /proc/devices |
| 10:28.14 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:28.42 | tmzt | fnord_: so you need glibc, nss, everything else |
| 10:28.57 | fnord_ | tmzt, the static versions yeah |
| 10:29.07 | tmzt | I mean dynamic |
| 10:29.17 | tmzt | if you have more than one bin |
| 10:29.27 | fnord_ | Waste of space, that :-O |
| 10:29.28 | joeyjones | tmzt: weird, "grep: ommand not found" |
| 10:29.41 | fnord_ | tmzt, much better with static uclibc |
| 10:29.46 | tmzt | joeyjones: yeah, can you ls -lh /dev/smd1 or whatever |
| 10:29.56 | fnord_ | PHONE ~/bin # ls -l ?/busybox |
| 10:29.56 | fnord_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 10045 1673116 Nov 6 12:06 1/busybox |
| 10:29.56 | fnord_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 10045 650508 Nov 8 01:46 2/busybox |
| 10:29.56 | fnord_ | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root 10027 842244 Nov 26 11:44 3/busybox |
| 10:30.19 | fnord_ | 2 = dynglibc, 3 = static uclibc. I imagine dyn uclibc would be quite small |
| 10:30.27 | tmzt | you build busybox staticly against glibc? |
| 10:31.15 | fnord_ | uclibc |
| 10:31.54 | fnord_ | The static glibc is a copy of the original busybox download that was floating around |
| 10:32.01 | tmzt | what are the three sizes then? |
| 10:32.11 | tmzt | oh |
| 10:32.22 | fnord_ | 1 = static glibc, 2 = dyn glibc, 3 = static uclibc :P |
| 10:32.24 | fnord_ | all stripped |
| 10:32.35 | tmzt | busybox should be static uclibc since it is all in one elf |
| 10:32.41 | fnord_ | Yup |
| 10:32.53 | fnord_ | And with uclibc, smaller size, smaller rss, and working resolver |
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| 10:32.58 | tmzt | then resolving works? nss? pam? |
| 10:33.01 | fnord_ | yup |
| 10:33.14 | fnord_ | uclibc doesn't have glibc's flaw in design |
| 10:33.15 | fnord_ | :P |
| 10:33.47 | tmzt | people are using glibc static busybox in rc30-modified images? |
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| 10:34.00 | tmzt | fnord_: which is? |
| 10:34.05 | fnord_ | glibc rebuilt to have static nss would probably produce a 2+meg static busybox bin |
| 10:34.30 | fnord_ | tmzt, nss = dynamic by design. making a static nss is a pain, and most distros don't |
| 10:34.46 | tmzt | right, but what is the flaw in glibc? |
| 10:35.20 | fnord_ | then you'd have to add -lnss_files -lnss_dns etc to LDFLAGS for everything |
| 10:35.54 | fnord_ | Mostly that they don't believe or support in static nss and the last time I tried the compile crashed and burned. But that was years ago, mostly they fixed it |
| 10:35.54 | tmzt | not build on .la or something and link against that? |
| 10:36.20 | fnord_ | Tried to awhile back. It failed to build in a really odd way |
| 10:36.30 | fnord_ | Maybe it works today |
| 10:37.00 | tmzt | is glibc needed for glib? I never understood that |
| 10:37.24 | fnord_ | glibc's needed for most everything but glib doesn't have anything to do with it |
| 10:37.28 | tmzt | also, there is some Gsomething in android base.git source, I don't think it's related to glib but I haven't found out what it is |
| 10:37.44 | tmzt | then it works with uclibc? |
| 10:37.44 | fnord_ | looks |
| 10:37.50 | fnord_ | tmzt, maybe |
| 10:37.58 | fnord_ | uclibc is a small libc for embedded systems |
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| 10:38.48 | tmzt | maybe you can figure out this msm_fb, I'd like to have X on kaiser/vogue/raph/diam |
| 10:38.50 | fnord_ | where's the Gsomething in the source tree? |
| 10:39.06 | fnord_ | Hmm |
| 10:39.27 | fnord_ | recommend a simple program that renders FB. And a simple SDL one |
| 10:39.44 | fnord_ | Android on kaiser? |
| 10:40.07 | tmzt | maybe it was GGLSurface, it just looked strange |
| 10:40.22 | tmzt | libs/EGLDisplaySurface.cpp |
| 10:40.40 | tmzt | no, I mean Xorg/Xfbdev on kaiser, we tried this in june and it did not work |
| 10:40.51 | tmzt | it would render a frame and part of the cursor and stop |
| 10:40.55 | tmzt | (freeze) |
| 10:40.57 | fnord_ | GLSurfaceView.java? |
| 10:41.24 | fnord_ | Ahh. What sort of OS/distro was it? |
| 10:41.27 | tmzt | where is that? I mean in .cpp source |
| 10:41.37 | tmzt | OE/Angstrom |
| 10:41.37 | fnord_ | it's java |
| 10:41.53 | fnord_ | ./development/samples/ApiDemos/src/com/example/android/apis/graphics/ |
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| 10:42.16 | tmzt | I'm looking in android.git.kernel.org base.git |
| 10:42.19 | fnord_ | hey now, wot's this then: ./external/opencore/android/android_surface_output.cpp |
| 10:42.22 | tmzt | not code.google.com/p/* |
| 10:42.38 | tmzt | opencore is for videophone or something |
| 10:42.40 | fnord_ | ./frameworks/base/libs/ui/Surface.cpp |
| 10:42.41 | fnord_ | Ahh |
| 10:43.38 | fnord_ | My problem that the java way of doing things confuses me and pisses me off |
| 10:43.56 | romainguy__ | just learn it :) |
| 10:43.58 | tmzt | these are jni libraries called by java, I think |
| 10:44.07 | fnord_ | I'd love to write apps for this. I can learn past the confusion but the anger would make it !fun |
| 10:44.34 | romainguy__ | why would that make you angry? |
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| 10:44.51 | tmzt | I guess you layout ui seperataly in some weirdly-namespaced xml |
| 10:45.02 | romainguy__ | you don't have to but it's the preferred way |
| 10:45.05 | fnord_ | romainguy_, Maaaybe. Or how would one implement JNI+C code? |
| 10:45.15 | romainguy__ | fnord_: it's not supported :) |
| 10:45.28 | fnord_ | romainguy_, Well the language syntax itself annoys me |
| 10:45.32 | tmzt | no native code now, but apparently not for security reasons |
| 10:45.56 | tmzt | java? |
| 10:46.05 | fnord_ | romainguy_, Will it be? Awhile back I asked about running native apps from within dalvik XD |
| 10:46.19 | romainguy__ | it will |
| 10:46.21 | DarkriftX | i think im getting my g1 tomorrow, any tips for getting the best deal? |
| 10:46.28 | fnord_ | romainguy_, Excellent! |
| 10:46.37 | romainguy__ | second obsession of this channel: native code :) |
| 10:46.39 | fnord_ | No more 10 meg rss alarm clock :> |
| 10:46.45 | romainguy__ | you guys are monomaniacs :) |
| 10:46.46 | fnord_ | There's reasons |
| 10:46.51 | fnord_ | Well, sometimes yes |
| 10:47.03 | fnord_ | DarkriftX, sell soul to tmobile for 2 years |
| 10:47.06 | tmzt | but what about Atom/Nano support then |
| 10:47.10 | fnord_ | DarkriftX, or pawn shop? :P |
| 10:47.13 | DarkriftX | i know that part |
| 10:47.18 | tmzt | at least Davlik will run on those |
| 10:47.48 | DarkriftX | im going with the cheapest faves plan and the unlim data (i dont text, so whatever comes with it) |
| 10:47.58 | tmzt | that's about 50? |
| 10:48.01 | fnord_ | romainguy_, Are you allowed to give an eta (actually estimated) for rc31, and clues to what's in it? :D |
| 10:48.06 | DarkriftX | $65 i think they said |
| 10:48.14 | DarkriftX | $40 + $25 |
| 10:48.19 | joeyjones | tmzt: lol, apparently calling is now borked |
| 10:48.21 | fnord_ | DarkriftX, I think the im client uses sms |
| 10:48.22 | romainguy__ | fnord_: nope |
| 10:48.26 | tmzt | I want my prepaid minutes, 20/month data |
| 10:48.29 | DarkriftX | i dont im much either |
| 10:48.30 | fnord_ | romainguy_, figured :P |
| 10:48.34 | romainguy__ | fnord_: besides, it probably won't be called rc31 |
| 10:48.41 | fnord_ | romainguy_, oh? whyfor? |
| 10:48.41 | romainguy__ | so no, I have nothing about rc31 :) |
| 10:49.30 | tmzt | ip is hard for tmo then? only AIM uses sms? |
| 10:49.41 | fnord_ | there's an ip stack |
| 10:49.43 | romainguy__ | AIM, MSN and Yahoo! use SMS |
| 10:49.52 | tmzt | but not GoogleTalkProvider? |
| 10:50.02 | romainguy__ | no Gtalk doesn't cost SMS |
| 10:50.11 | romainguy__ | besides, AIM, MSN and Yahoo! still use tcp/ip |
| 10:50.15 | romainguy__ | they just *cost* SMS |
| 10:50.19 | romainguy__ | it's very different |
| 10:50.32 | DarkriftX | cool, ill tell my wife to sign up for gmail if she wants so "message" me |
| 10:50.40 | fnord_ | I might have to learn more java =[ I have an idea to make a detachable IM proxy and modify the client to use it |
| 10:50.49 | DarkriftX | im mostly getting it for the device itself, not for an im client |
| 10:51.05 | romainguy__ | fnord_: Java is not that bad, it allows to write Android apps very quickly |
| 10:51.13 | fnord_ | So losing signal won't sign you off, and you'll see the messages when you get signal back |
| 10:51.18 | romainguy__ | it's not perfect, like all languages, but it's a good fit for that job |
| 10:51.34 | romainguy__ | fnord_: on Gtalk you're not signed off when you lose signal |
| 10:51.43 | romainguy__ | I think you're signed off after 10 or 15 minutes |
| 10:51.45 | romainguy__ | something like that |
| 10:51.47 | fnord_ | romainguy_, Depends on the coder I suppose. As is my SUPass app was a struggle :P |
| 10:51.51 | tmzt | I guess games are going to need native code, then they can just be EGL if there is an input api |
| 10:52.01 | romainguy__ | depends on the game |
| 10:52.14 | romainguy__ | the real way to do it would be to use JNI |
| 10:52.19 | romainguy__ | keep a Java application shell |
| 10:52.26 | tmzt | it looks like most of android could even go to sleeop for certain games |
| 10:52.35 | fnord_ | romainguy_, Yah but my problem is I have at least 2 each of gtalk/yahoo/aim |
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| 10:52.38 | tmzt | then they could use EGL like the BootupAnimation |
| 10:53.01 | tmzt | since it doesn't appear to need any kind of display manager to work |
| 10:53.03 | fnord_ | And a nice server on a fast network. So for me it's a good idea to roll my own solution |
| 10:53.03 | romainguy__ | tmzt: but you don't want to lose the activity life cycle, the ability to talk to the Java APIs, etc. |
| 10:53.23 | tmzt | for something like psp or ngage level games I mean |
| 10:53.30 | romainguy__ | still |
| 10:53.38 | romainguy__ | I've seen Quake run on the phone |
| 10:53.41 | romainguy__ | it's a Java app |
| 10:53.46 | DarkriftX | lol, jake? |
| 10:53.47 | romainguy__ | with a native component in the middle |
| 10:53.48 | romainguy__ | no |
| 10:53.51 | romainguy__ | Quake, the real one |
| 10:54.00 | tmzt | it runs on symbian too, I saw today |
| 10:54.02 | fnord_ | Heh my friend impressed me with an -old- verizon LG phone |
| 10:54.11 | fnord_ | simcity, silent hill, prey |
| 10:54.15 | romainguy__ | what I'm saying is you can do it without taking over everything |
| 10:54.18 | romainguy__ | and it's still very efficient |
| 10:54.23 | fnord_ | Graphics level looked to be at the quake1 level |
| 10:54.26 | romainguy__ | (Quake runs at 30+ fps) |
| 10:54.27 | tmzt | BREW has access to the gles on there |
| 10:57.01 | tauno | huh.. someone should update this: http://code.google.com/android/reference/com/google/android/maps/package-descr.html |
| 10:57.26 | romainguy__ | file a bug, submit a patch :) |
| 10:57.44 | fnord_ | romainguy_, Any chance for someday having AP mode in wlan.ko enabled, and a wifi <-> g1 tether frontend? |
| 10:57.51 | romainguy__ | no idea |
| 10:57.53 | fnord_ | Err, wifi <-> 3g |
| 10:57.56 | romainguy__ | send an email to the mailing list |
| 10:58.01 | romainguy__ | or file a feature request |
| 10:58.03 | fnord_ | I think tmobile might not like that, but eh |
| 10:58.07 | fnord_ | Which list? |
| 10:58.28 | romainguy__ | android-discuss, android-developers, android-platform :) |
| 10:58.41 | romainguy__ | they're listed on code.google.com/android and source.android.com |
| 10:58.49 | tmzt | fnord_: you need a non-sta driver/firmware |
| 10:59.21 | fnord_ | tmzt, I think someone tried an opensrc driver for that chip and it failed miserably |
| 10:59.45 | tmzt | it should be shared memory with sdio interface for enumeration/commands |
| 11:00.01 | fnord_ | I'm sure if google asked for a .ko with APmode it would be provided |
| 11:00.02 | tmzt | but the other acx drivers a pretty broken |
| 11:00.16 | tmzt | .ko? |
| 11:00.22 | fnord_ | kernel module binary |
| 11:00.29 | tmzt | the source is in git also |
| 11:00.41 | fnord_ | for htc dream? |
| 11:01.08 | tmzt | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/system/wlan/ti.git;a=summary |
| 11:02.15 | tmzt | I think you take the sta* directoy and put into a kernel source tree |
| 11:02.23 | fnord_ | yeah, looking in there |
| 11:08.05 | tmzt | do you see a list of ioctl's? |
| 11:09.29 | fnord_ | tmzt, That's not the driver on HTC dream |
| 11:09.32 | fnord_ | platform/vendor/htc/dream.git is the driver |
| 11:09.49 | fnord_ | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/vendor/htc/dream.git;a=tree; |
| 11:10.11 | tmzt | that's the compiled version |
| 11:10.18 | tmzt | you see source too? |
| 11:11.28 | fnord_ | Nope. Proprietary according to http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/vendor/htc/dream.git;a=blob_plain;f=README.txt;hb=HEAD |
| 11:13.09 | fnord_ | --------------- whalCtrl_PrintHwStatus --------------- |
| 11:13.09 | fnord_ | NumMboxErrDueToPeriodicBuiltInTestCheck = %d |
| 11:13.09 | fnord_ | NumMboxFailures = %d |
| 11:13.09 | fnord_ | license=GPL |
| 11:13.10 | fnord_ | description=TI WLAN Embedded Station Driver |
| 11:13.12 | fnord_ | UH-OH! |
| 11:13.35 | fnord_ | from strings /system/lib/modules/wlan.ko |
| 11:13.42 | fnord_ | Naughty! |
| 11:13.46 | fnord_ | Spit out src :> |
| 11:13.51 | tmzt | it's not GPL either |
| 11:13.54 | tmzt | it's bsd |
| 11:14.56 | fnord_ | the propeitary wlan.ko is based on system/wlan/ti |
| 11:15.03 | fnord_ | Which claims to be gpl |
| 11:15.09 | fnord_ | So does the binary |
| 11:15.13 | tmzt | where is that? |
| 11:15.41 | tmzt | I think it contains the firmware and that is what is proprietary |
| 11:15.53 | fnord_ | g1: /system/lib/modules/wlan.ko, srctree: wlan/ti/sta_dk_4_0_4_32/pform/linux/src/esta_drv.c |
| 11:16.09 | tmzt | I only see sta here |
| 11:16.23 | fnord_ | Mebbie, but I think it would be LGPL to wrap around a closed object file |
| 11:17.14 | tmzt | eSTA embedded STA |
| 11:17.19 | fnord_ | hm |
| 11:19.09 | fnord_ | PHONE ~/bin # strings /system/lib/modules/wlan.ko |egrep '\.c$'|sort -n|tr '\n' ' ' |
| 11:19.09 | fnord_ | Clsfr.c CmdMBox.c CmdQueue.c Concatenator.c Core_AdaptTx.c Ctrl.c DeConcatenator.c ElpCtrl.c EvHandler.c FwEvent.c GeneralUtil.c HwInit.c MacServices.c MeasurementSrv.c MeasurementSrvSM.c MsduList.c PowerAuthorization.c PowerMgr.c PowerMgrDbgPrint.c PowerSrv.c PowerSrvSM.c RateAdaptation.c RxXfer.c ScanCncn.c ScanCncnAppApi.c ScanCncnAppSM.c ScanCncnDrvSM.c ScanCncnOidSM.c ScanCncnRoamingContSM.c ScanCncnRoamingImmedSM.c ScanSrv.c ScanS |
| 11:19.09 | fnord_ | rvSM.c SoftGemini.c SwitchChannel.c TNETWArb.c TNETWArbSM.c TNETWArb_buffer.c TNETWIF.c TNETW_Driver.c TNETW_Driver_Tx.c TrafficMonitor.c ackEmulDb.c ackEmulUtil.c admCtrl.c admCtrlNone.c admCtrlWep.c admCtrlWpa.c admCtrlWpa2.c apConn.c assocSM.c authSm.c broadcastKey802_1x.c broadcastKeyNone.c broadcastKeySM.c bufferPool.c configMgr.c conn.c connIbss.c connInfra.c currBss.c drivers/net/wireless/tiwlan1251/wlan.mod.c env_tst.c esta_drv. |
| 11:19.13 | fnord_ | c eventMbox.c fourX.c fourXManager.c fsm.c healthMonitor.c ioctl_list.c ioctl_utils.c ipc_k.c keyDerive.c keyDeriveAes.c keyDeriveTkip.c keyDeriveWep.c keyParser.c keyParserExternal.c keyParserWep.c mainKeysSm.c mainSecKeysOnly.c mainSecNull.c mainSecSm.c measurementMgr.c measurementMgrSM.c measurementSrvDbgPrint.c memMngrEx.c mlmeBuilder.c mlmeParser.c mlmeSm.c mmc_tnetw1150_api.c nrfsm.c openAuthSm.c osClsfr.c osCmd.c osRgstry.c osRgs |
| 11:19.18 | fnord_ | try_parser.c osUtil.c osapi.c osmemapi.c proc_stat.c qosMngr.c recoveryCtrl.c recoveryMgr.c regulatoryDomain.c report.c requestHandler.c roamingMngr.c rsn.c rx.c scanMngr.c scr.c select.c sharedKeyAuthSm.c shmBus.c shmDebug.c shmFwCtrl.c shmUtils.c siteHash.c siteMgr.c smeSm.c smeSmApi.c spectrumMngmntMgr.c templates.c tnetw_sdio.c trafficAdmControl.c tx.c txCtrlBlk.c txHwQueue.c txHwQueueCalc.c txResult.c txXfer.c unicastKey802_1x.c un |
| 11:19.23 | fnord_ | icastKeyNone.c unicastKeySM.c utils.c whalCtrl.c whalDebug.c whalDefrag.c whalEndpntEnt.c whalHwAccess.c whalHwCtrl.c whalHwEeprom.c whalHwMboxCmd.c whalHwMboxCmdBit.c whalHwMboxConfig.c whalParams.c whal |
| 11:19.26 | fnord_ | whoops. looked smaller =[ |
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| 11:19.55 | fnord_ | At the end, interesting bit: wlan.mod.c wlan.mod |
| 11:20.11 | tmzt | the hal is in source though, maybe enough for an ap driver |
| 11:20.31 | tmzt | if the firmware can support it, which if it's called eSTA firmware probably not |
| 11:20.45 | fnord_ | it depends on wtf is in wlan.mod I think |
| 11:21.06 | tmzt | that is the main .c file when building the kernel module |
| 11:21.22 | tmzt | oh, wlan.mod I don't know |
| 11:21.42 | fnord_ | .mod isn't really a commonly used extension |
| 11:22.07 | tmzt | all that .c source are in there, maybe debugging info? |
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| 11:22.28 | fnord_ | Yeah someone compiled -g |
| 11:22.59 | fnord_ | oh, my mistake |
| 11:23.05 | fnord_ | wlan.mod.c wlan.mod.c is at the end |
| 11:23.26 | fnord_ | still, no wlan.*\.c in src so I'll assume that's it |
| 11:24.34 | tmzt | kbuild makes it |
| 11:25.28 | fnord_ | system/wlan/ti/sta_dk_4_0_4_32/.gitignore has wlan.mod.c |
| 11:26.20 | tmzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.06 | tmzt | FW_RUNNING_AS_STA gives it more commands/options |
| 11:28.41 | fnord_ | hm |
| 11:28.55 | fnord_ | actually i think a real network link via usb would be better |
| 11:29.14 | fnord_ | the phone is small, assuming one used a laptop having it attached via cable still isn't bad |
| 11:29.18 | tmzt | well, it might at least support adhoc, does that work now? |
| 11:29.28 | fnord_ | multiple computers over 3g might be problematic |
| 11:29.32 | fnord_ | yeah |
| 11:29.54 | fnord_ | but windows doesn't support adhoc encryption, and my psp doesn't support adhoc for inet routing |
| 11:30.08 | fnord_ | I'm sure alot of other devices have crappy adhoc implementations too |
| 11:30.26 | fnord_ | smartpads or whatever |
| 11:31.25 | fnord_ | wtf is the term for those? |
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| 11:34.19 | tmzt | it looks like the fw interface is different depending on FW_RUNNING_AS_AP|STA |
| 11:34.53 | tmzt | whether that means only one is compiled in to the fw, I don't know |
| 11:34.57 | tmzt | but STA uses a longer bitfield in certain places |
| 11:35.28 | fnord_ | hmm |
| 11:35.43 | fnord_ | I wonder what wlan.mod.c uses |
| 11:35.49 | fnord_ | Erm, has |
| 11:35.54 | tmzt | what? |
| 11:35.57 | fnord_ | Well |
| 11:36.27 | fnord_ | I'm assuming that if I built the driver without wlan.mod.c it wouldn't operate the wifi chipset correctly |
| 11:36.36 | fnord_ | romainguy_, what's in wlan.mod.c :P~~ |
| 11:36.50 | fnord_ | And hmm |
| 11:37.06 | fnord_ | There may be stuff in the radio mtd partition that controls wifi too |
| 11:37.10 | tmzt | I still don't know what you mean by wlan.mod.c, usually mod.c is built by kbuild (the kernel build system) as part of making a .ko |
| 11:37.18 | tmzt | yes, there is calibration data |
| 11:37.26 | fnord_ | tmzt, oh |
| 11:37.26 | tmzt | and region data I think |
| 11:37.27 | fnord_ | Well then |
| 11:37.38 | fnord_ | Nevermind that :-O |
| 11:37.42 | tmzt | it's passed to the kernel as an ATAG structure |
| 11:38.04 | tmzt | there could be a .o containing firmware that is built-in to the .ko |
| 11:38.17 | tmzt | or it could be a seperate file |
| 11:40.15 | tmzt | it's TNEW_Driver that gets put in the kernel, I don't know what the rest is actually for |
| 11:40.32 | fnord_ | No \.o$ in strings |
| 11:41.57 | fnord_ | [root@n1 /opt/arm/android/system]# find -name \*.c|grep `echo \(STRINGS\)|tr ' ' '|'\$` = no match |
| 11:42.30 | tmzt | you wouldn't find the .o files in there |
| 11:42.40 | tmzt | but you can nm with an appropriate nm and try that |
| 11:43.43 | fnord_ | hm |
| 11:44.52 | tauno | anyone knows if the maps thingie supports directions? (eg I give it 2 addresses and it plots the way between them automatically) |
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| 11:45.08 | fnord_ | yeah it does |
| 11:45.39 | tauno | I mean the API part, not the google mapps application itself |
| 11:46.49 | fnord_ | public String routableAddress() |
| 11:46.49 | fnord_ | Returns the position of this item in a map-routable format. |
| 11:46.49 | fnord_ | Returns |
| 11:46.49 | fnord_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:48.02 | fnord_ | also a function return a bool if routing is displayed |
| 11:48.18 | fnord_ | But that's it |
| 11:48.30 | fnord_ | =[ |
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| 12:15.55 | fnord_ | [1:1][Kyf@winxp2:tty0]/home/Kyf/_g1_/tools% ./adb ppp |
| 12:15.55 | fnord_ | error: adb ppp not implemented on Win32 |
| 12:15.57 | fnord_ | =[ |
| 12:19.10 | tmzt | fnord_: uh, found a script that uses wlan_loader -f /system/etc/wifi/FW1251r1c.bin -e /proc/calibration -i /data/local/tiwlan.ini |
| 12:19.19 | tmzt | fnord_: so the fw is not in the .ko |
| 12:21.44 | fnord_ | yet the .ko is a 'proprietary binary' ? or in the proprietary directory for convenience? |
| 12:22.44 | tmzt | I think for licensing/fcc maybe, don't know, it seems it's just htc that did that |
| 12:22.48 | jbq | which directory is it in? I thought that it was just built as part of the kernel. |
| 12:22.56 | fnord_ | if FW1251r1c.bin has nothing to do with APmode and wlan.ko is just convenience, we can have AP tether |
| 12:23.13 | fnord_ | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/vendor/htc/dream.git;a=tree |
| 12:23.24 | tmzt | /system/lib/modules/wlan.ko on g1 |
| 12:23.38 | fnord_ | if wlan.ko has proprietary junk, source needs to be released anyway |
| 12:24.38 | fnord_ | I'll build a new one and see if it works |
| 12:24.39 | tmzt | with bsd license? |
| 12:24.42 | fnord_ | GPL |
| 12:25.01 | tmzt | the source files have bsd headers, I don't know where the gpl came from |
| 12:25.03 | jbq | I think that it's just a plain kernel module whose source is in the kernel tree, but you'd have to check with the kernel team. How about asking on the android-kernel mailing list? |
| 12:25.17 | tmzt | I guess when they build it for linux it's then considered gpl |
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| 12:25.57 | jbq | FWIW, notice that the same directory in git also contains the kernel binary. |
| 12:26.01 | tmzt | jbq: ask who? what kernel team? |
| 12:26.29 | fnord_ | tmzt, hm.. system/wlan/ti/sta_dk_4_0_4_32/pform/linux/src/esta_drv.c:MODULE_LICENSE("GPL"); |
| 12:26.30 | jbq | tmzt: oh, sorry. there's an official android-kernel mailing list for kernel discussions. |
| 12:26.34 | tmzt | right, android build doesn't build the kernel or the module, just platform, and script to extract things for g1 |
| 12:26.38 | tmzt | o from |
| 12:26.43 | tmzt | or from |
| 12:26.52 | fnord_ | jbq, good point. and people have built working kernels for g1 |
| 12:27.06 | tmzt | fnord_: ok, the rest is bsd then except the kernel module/linux driver |
| 12:27.13 | fnord_ | tmzt, weird |
| 12:28.33 | fnord_ | tmzt, you found #defines for AP/notAP? |
| 12:29.26 | tmzt | hal/hw_ctrl/whalHwCtrl.c |
| 12:30.49 | jbq | Actually, looks like I was wrong and that the wlan.ko source tree isn't in the kernel. |
| 12:31.15 | jbq | see http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/vendor/htc/dream.git;a=commit;h=f02fda020c9485f7fd6132d84638aef8cb6b2a6f for information about where they come from. |
| 12:31.54 | fnord_ | Yeah it's in system/wlan |
| 12:32.10 | eldenz | if i want to code a client for a networking game that needs persistent connections, i would need a service to do the networking, right? |
| 12:32.37 | eldenz | and my app binds to the service and receives packet contents? |
| 12:32.58 | jbq | eldenz: if you want them to have a better chance to survive when you app is in the background, yes, your app needs to contain a started service. |
| 12:33.09 | jbq | You don't need to bind it, you can also just start it. |
| 12:34.19 | eldenz | ok, and is that applicaiton model suitable for android? i wonder why there aren't yet any apps/games that need persistent connection at the market... |
| 12:34.31 | eldenz | i guess it needs quite some battery? |
| 12:34.56 | jbq | well, it depends on how often you transmit data, and on how often the connection gets cut. |
| 12:35.17 | tmzt | jbq: any idea on MSMFB_BLIT? |
| 12:35.31 | eldenz | alright, thanks jbq |
| 12:35.38 | jbq | tmzt: from the name, I'd say it has to do with graphics. |
| 12:35.41 | tmzt | jbq: as in, is it needed if data is written directly to /dev/fb0 with mmap? |
| 12:35.51 | tmzt | jbq: right, sorry |
| 12:36.01 | jbq | tmzt: no idea, I'm not a graphics guy :( |
| 12:36.01 | fnord_ | Also adb's ppp mode could work for tether. Just needs a little modification for win32, and most likely a tiny cygwin distro |
| 12:36.50 | tmzt | fnord_: sure, you could try slirp or the qemu sources |
| 12:37.06 | fnord_ | yeh |
| 12:37.13 | jbq | eldenz: if you have good coverage, the battery impact of an established TCP socket that doesn't send or receive any data is reasonably small. Not small enough to be negligible, but typically not the end of the world. |
| 12:37.42 | Dialekt | gimme |
| 12:38.22 | fnord_ | this would require iptables access as well. So for non root, maybe adb forward, a sock proxy, and something like runsocks for windows |
| 12:39.11 | fnord_ | actuallt tetherbot does that all except for runsocks |
| 12:39.13 | fnord_ | hm |
| 12:42.00 | fnord_ | http://soft.softoogle.com/ap/sockscap-download-5157.shtml ...awwwyeah |
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| 13:28.42 | fnord | :D |
| 13:29.15 | fnord_ | >< |
| 13:29.46 | fnord_ | connected to irc via usb -> phone -> openvpn -> tmobile -> personal server |
| 13:29.56 | fnord_ | But tcp connections keep dropping. Maybe freecap sucks |
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| 13:32.42 | fnord_ | hmm |
| 13:32.49 | fnord_ | yep, not the irc client |
| 13:37.24 | tmzt | can you use ssh -L ? |
| 13:38.19 | tmzt | I guess there is also ssh tunnelling now (with tuntap/pcap), but not in dropbear |
| 13:38.45 | tmzt | while I use openssh-client on debian, I use dropbear on wrt |
| 13:39.13 | fnord_ | Mebbie I should port openssh-client to ucblic XD |
| 13:39.27 | fnord_ | uclibc even |
| 13:40.07 | tmzt | it might compile, it uses openssl I think which works with uclibc |
| 13:40.47 | fnord_ | My openvpn port uses bionic and the onboard openssl |
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| 13:41.05 | fnord_ | So mebbie I can get away with that...but onboard openssl is missing ciphers |
| 13:41.15 | fnord_ | No blowfish and RSA is borked |
| 13:41.23 | tmzt | oh |
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| 14:53.31 | eldenz | how do i get a pointer to a local service i started? :f |
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| 14:56.01 | eldenz | kinda the wrong channel |
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| 16:12.03 | savid | How do I make a view that looks like a dialog box that blurs out the background? I want to make this the main view of my application... |
| 16:23.28 | Delvien | So i want root access. |
| 16:26.18 | Delvien | anyone have a link to a good guide? |
| 16:30.38 | Disconnect | 4g microsdhc for $7 http://www.ecost.com/Detail/Flash+Memory+Cards/Dane-Elec/CU-SDMC-4096-B/42922476.aspx?navid=155441514 |
| 16:30.45 | Disconnect | what rc are you at? |
| 16:33.07 | Versed | disconnect are they any good? |
| 16:33.38 | Delvien | r30 |
| 16:33.46 | Delvien | disconnect r30 * |
| 16:33.56 | Disconnect | then no, you can't get root. |
| 16:34.25 | Delvien | Doh |
| 16:36.10 | Delvien | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:36.48 | Delvien | well, security i suppose, but there should be other workarounds then blocking root "hacks" |
| 16:37.20 | d03boy | penis |
| 16:37.43 | Delvien | d03boy: That doesnt belong here, go somewhere else and act retarded |
| 16:38.38 | d03boy | sorry sir |
| 16:38.48 | d03boy | i think i need ritalin |
| 16:39.07 | Delvien | d03boy: No, drugs wont solve your problem :) |
| 16:39.28 | d03boy | will make it more fun though |
| 16:42.16 | Disconnect | Delvien: there is a huge semantic difference between "open" as used by the world and "open" as used by google. you just faceplanted on it. :) |
| 16:46.05 | Delvien | Disconnect sadly |
| 16:47.46 | Delvien | Disconnect isnt it released under GPL? |
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| 16:48.22 | Disconnect | first, no. (apache, which is basically a bsd licence) and second, gpl covers -distribution-. has nothing at all to do with what you can do on your hardware. |
| 16:49.18 | Delvien | Disconnect eek |
| 16:50.02 | Delvien | Disconnect Well i wont be updating to the next firmware when its released, hopefully by then they will have a jailbrake |
| 16:50.21 | Disconnect | you don't have a choice. after a certain amount of time it upgrades anyway. |
| 16:50.54 | Delvien | Disconnect Well, whats the point then... open my a%% |
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| 16:55.48 | Leeds | really? it over-rides the "don't upgrade now" after a while |
| 16:55.51 | Leeds | ? |
| 16:56.26 | fnord_ | yep, gotta rename /system/etc/otacerts.zip |
| 16:56.40 | fnord_ | Then install a custom recovery to be safe :> |
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| 19:29.38 | Heooooo | Can I get a linux terminal to android? |
| 19:30.36 | Heooooo | Do vim, bash and sed work? |
| 19:30.56 | Disconnect | yes. no. no. no. |
| 19:31.28 | Heooooo | What can I do with the terminal then? |
| 19:32.41 | Disconnect | whatever you want. |
| 19:33.07 | Heooooo | Disconnect: Can I get a perl compiler? |
| 19:33.18 | Disconnect | no such animal. perl is interpreted. |
| 19:33.42 | Heooooo | Disconnect: Correct. Can I sync it with my Mac OSs and Ubuntus? |
| 19:34.08 | Disconnect | no. why don't you try using google for a whle? |
| 19:35.48 | Heooooo | Disconnect: Thank you. I will :) Just wondering between android and openmoko |
| 19:35.48 | Disconnect | only one of these things can make/receive phone calls on a repeatable basis. choose wisely. |
| 19:37.39 | Heooooo | Disconnect: Dunno what you mean. Youtube had a video of OpenMoko with Android. Dunno whether it was real :? |
| 19:38.34 | Disconnect | from everything i've seen/heard, openmoko is totally unstable and can't handle basic tasks like making and receiving calls. and currently android requires a keyboard, so.. |
| 19:39.09 | Heooooo | Disconnect: Thank you for your clarification! |
| 19:40.06 | dcordes_ | Disconnect, install openmoko on the dream ;) |
| 19:40.12 | dcordes_ | Heooooo, I mean |
| 19:40.20 | Disconnect | you can't, its locked down. |
| 19:40.26 | dcordes_ | uuh sucks. |
| 19:40.31 | Disconnect | many of the retail units are arriving with rc30 these days. |
| 19:40.46 | dcordes_ | I'd not buy such a device |
| 19:41.13 | dcordes_ | Disconnect, how can you check for firmware revision? |
| 19:41.14 | Disconnect | then you are in the wrong channel. cuz there is no provider that is going to sell a phone thats user-flashable. |
| 19:41.43 | Heooooo | Disconnect: You mean Android is locked down? How is Android open source then? |
| 19:41.52 | dcordes_ | :( |
| 19:41.53 | Disconnect | what does source have to do with hardware? |
| 19:41.58 | dcordes_ | ? |
| 19:42.15 | Disconnect | just what I asked. |
| 19:42.27 | Heooooo | Disconnect: I am just questioning what the open source in Android actually mean. |
| 19:42.40 | dcordes_ | Heooooo, you can make beautiful java apps :D |
| 19:42.58 | Disconnect | it means the source is available, for the most part. that has nothing to do with actual phones. |
| 19:43.14 | Heooooo | dcordes_: Disconnect Can you recommend it as coding machine? |
| 19:43.29 | Disconnect | i'd get a netbook for coding on. |
| 19:43.51 | dcordes_ | a nice indicator is the lack of the sources to the ril. the actual piece of software that makes the phone a phone |
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| 19:44.15 | Heooooo | Disconnect: I have two such "netbooks" but I need a phone as well. |
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| 19:45.18 | Heooooo | Can I practise coding with Android? Can I run DrScheme and such environment? |
| 19:45.20 | dcordes_ | Disconnect, do you know where I can get a dump of the g1 rootfs? I can only find the updates. |
| 19:45.47 | Disconnect | dcordes_: the full update holds the entire fs |
| 19:46.06 | dcordes_ | Disconnect, have a url there? |
| 19:46.23 | Disconnect | nope. but i'd bet google does. |
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| 19:54.44 | offby1 | "Let Me Google That For Youâ¢" |
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| 20:12.30 | dcordes_ | offby1, that would be nice |
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| 20:41.10 | Death_Syn | ok, att's 3g network in dallas is horribly slow |
| 20:41.24 | Death_Syn | i'm downloading the sdk so i can tether to my g1 |
| 20:41.35 | Death_Syn | i'm getting just a bit over dialup speeds |
| 20:43.49 | JesusFreke | att's 3g? |
| 20:43.54 | JesusFreke | via another phone? or on the G1? |
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| 20:49.23 | eldenz | how do i change orientation in emulator? F11/F12/KP_7/KP_9 are not doing anything |
| 20:49.29 | eldenz | is there an adb command? |
| 20:50.00 | eldenz | (i'm on a laptop keyboard) |
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| 20:55.43 | Disconnect | home i think |
| 20:57.02 | eldenz | nope |
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| 21:00.15 | Disconnect | dunno. on my mbp its fn-7 (which is the same as kp-7) |
| 21:00.19 | Disconnect | brb |
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| 21:17.45 | RyeBrye | infobot what is google? |
| 21:17.46 | infobot | somebody said google was a search engine found at http://www.google.com/ |
| 21:19.20 | JesusFreke | rofl |
| 21:20.04 | sparkle | hah |
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| 21:23.26 | Randalthor | lawlz |
| 21:23.36 | Randalthor | infobot what is infobot? |
| 21:23.37 | infobot | randalthor, I love abuse, feed me!, or an interactive bot that can learn all sorts of information (http://www.infobot.org/), or updated sources at http://infobot.sf.net/, or a robot that doesn't know it should only speak when spoken to, or on fire, or awesome. |
| 21:24.12 | Randalthor | haha thats cool |
| 21:25.21 | offby1 | oo, I have some small interest in bots |
| 21:25.25 | offby1 | follows the link |
| 21:26.19 | offby1 | ooh, moribund. |
| 21:26.20 | offby1 | pfeh. |
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| 21:30.14 | JesusFreke | infobot who is jesusfreke |
| 21:30.15 | infobot | JesusFreke: what are you talking about? |
| 21:30.19 | JesusFreke | lol :) |
| 21:30.22 | greudin | is now playing: 1989 06 DISINTEGRATION - lullaby |
| 21:30.38 | JesusFreke | infobot who is Randalthor |
| 21:30.39 | infobot | I think you lost me on that one, JesusFreke |
| 21:30.56 | Randalthor | lols |
| 21:30.56 | JesusFreke | infobot what is jesusfreke |
| 21:30.57 | infobot | JesusFreke: what are you talking about? |
| 21:31.01 | JesusFreke | ah well :) |
| 21:31.05 | JesusFreke | I'll stop now. lol |
| 21:31.26 | meyou- | np: Devin the Dude - Almighty Dollar [04:09m/320kbps/44kHz] |
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| 21:37.09 | RyeBrye | infobot JesusFreke is a twisted soul who tinkers with the lifeblood of the T-mobile G1 for sadistic pleasure |
| 21:37.10 | infobot | okay, RyeBrye |
| 21:37.27 | JesusFreke | infobot who is jesusfreke |
| 21:37.27 | infobot | well, jesusfreke is a twisted soul who tinkers with the lifeblood of the T-mobile G1 for sadistic pleasure |
| 21:37.30 | JesusFreke | rofl |
| 21:37.46 | JesusFreke | thanks :p |
| 21:37.46 | RyeBrye | :) |
| 21:38.40 | RyeBrye | infobot where can I get a signed nbh upgrade image that will turn a normal G1 into an engineering device with a fully unlocked bootloader? |
| 21:39.25 | JesusFreke | does not compute? :D |
| 21:39.26 | RyeBrye | infobot - you are no help :( |
| 21:39.27 | infobot | I think you lost me on that one, RyeBrye |
| 21:39.48 | RyeBrye | infobot have you been instructed by counsel not to answer these questions? |
| 21:40.00 | dcordes_ | RyeBrye, tried accessing the other nand partitions? |
| 21:40.11 | JesusFreke | poor infobot. he takes so much abuse |
| 21:40.46 | JesusFreke | you'll make the poor thing overload his positronic brain |
| 21:41.12 | RyeBrye | dcordes_ - no, not too much effort on that yet - the bootloader should get loaded into a part of shared memory - so I've been tinkering and trying to map / dump that memory using progressively more difficult methods |
| 21:42.06 | RyeBrye | dcordes_ - if I can reliably dump that memory, there is a mythical phone in the wild that got accidently shipped with an unlocked bootloader that happened to land in the hands of a friendly person who will definitely dump it for us... |
| 21:43.00 | JesusFreke | Rye, do you have Saurik's kernel? (it's included in RC30 v1.2). It has /dev/mem and /dev/kmem |
| 21:43.07 | RyeBrye | dcordes_ - if you can dump 1 meg of memory starting at 0x00 (physical memory) to a file, I know a lot of people who would be interested |
| 21:43.18 | JesusFreke | Might be useful. (but you would probably know better than me :)) |
| 21:43.58 | RyeBrye | JesusFreke - no, haven't used that yet.. I did compile my own with /dev/mem and /dev/kmem - but it seemed to puke on the attempts to use dd in various ways to dump it |
| 21:44.11 | JesusFreke | yeah, same here |
| 21:44.15 | RyeBrye | flashes his boot.img like it's going out of style |
| 21:44.27 | JesusFreke | I just figured you had to use a different method to access it |
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| 21:44.46 | JesusFreke | I don't really know much about it though |
| 21:45.02 | RyeBrye | we tried modifying the pmem stuff android uses to actually map the physical 0x00 address to something we could snag easily - but that didn't work so well |
| 21:45.05 | Impossible_ | RyeBrye, have you had to take out insurance on your fingers now that they are famous on teh internets? ;) |
| 21:45.29 | JesusFreke | infobot has ByeBrye taken out insurance on his fingers? |
| 21:45.43 | dcordes_ | RyeBrye, do you document these things in a public place? |
| 21:45.47 | Impossible_ | heh |
| 21:45.51 | JesusFreke | I think we killed infobot |
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| 21:45.55 | RyeBrye | dcordes_ - probably should, but we haven't recently |
| 21:45.57 | offby1 | *gasp* |
| 21:46.10 | dcordes_ | RyeBrye, any central place of discussion? |
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| 22:03.54 | Droidrift | w000t |
| 22:04.02 | Droidrift | got my G1 |
| 22:04.25 | romainguy__ | :) |
| 22:04.48 | Droidrift | darkrift is no longer g1'less |
| 22:05.02 | Disconnect | what rc? |
| 22:05.12 | Droidrift | no idea |
| 22:05.19 | Droidrift | just activated |
| 22:05.31 | Droidrift | lets try... |
| 22:05.46 | romainguy__ | argh root obsession is striking again! |
| 22:06.09 | Droidrift | i bought it because of root lol |
| 22:06.16 | Disconnect | its not root obsession. its a desire to "let the community fix it" by working on the platform. :P |
| 22:06.26 | Droidrift | exaactly |
| 22:06.46 | romainguy__ | Disconnect: the community can use the emulator for that :) |
| 22:06.50 | Disconnect | hahahahhaa |
| 22:07.07 | JesusFreke | woot. gratz dark :) |
| 22:07.13 | Disconnect | 3 of the 4 problems we just discussed with my app (inside the sdk, not doing anything funky) worked perfectly in the emu |
| 22:07.54 | romainguy__ | Disconnect: what problems? |
| 22:08.06 | Disconnect | actually only 2 i think. but still :) the scrolling cache and the load time. and scrolling cache is a flat bug in the platform that behaves differently on the emu.. |
| 22:08.24 | romainguy__ | the scrolling cache is just fine |
| 22:08.41 | romainguy__ | as for the load time well yes... obviously timings will be different |
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| 22:09.17 | droidrift2 | lol |
| 22:09.18 | Disconnect | (i accept that the -real- fix is theming.. but still. scrolling the emu didn't black out the listview rows) |
| 22:09.45 | droidrift2 | typing the r e b o o t command worked |
| 22:10.02 | romainguy__ | Disconnect: the scrolling cache code was developed on the emulator :) |
| 22:10.17 | Disconnect | DarkriftX: you can type "cat<enter>" and it won't read anything else, ever (no ^C/^D in the console) |
| 22:10.38 | droidrift2 | my g1 smells :s |
| 22:11.21 | Disconnect | romainguy_: it behaves differently on the emu tho. scrolled fine, with no cache color hint |
| 22:11.27 | droidrift2 | imma turn it off till i get home |
| 22:11.32 | Cyrano_De | So what is the issue with root obsession on an "open" platform again? |
| 22:11.46 | offby1 | people like to control the devices that they own. |
| 22:11.50 | droidrift2 | so i can apply jf's rc30 |
| 22:11.52 | offby1 | Daft punters. |
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| 22:12.14 | romainguy__ | Cyrano_De: open != having root |
| 22:12.31 | Cyrano_De | That does not answer the question |
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| 22:12.58 | Disconnect | Cyrano_De: its only open if you happen to be a hw manufacturer or have open hw from some external source. so g1 devs who want to work on the platform have to either get hired @ google or break into their devices. some pigs are more equal than others :) |
| 22:13.26 | romainguy__ | like I said, you can use the emulator |
| 22:13.33 | romainguy__ | it's what most of the Android team uses for development |
| 22:13.36 | Disconnect | romainguy_: ok. explain to me how i get pand running on the emulator. |
| 22:14.31 | Cyrano_De | sidestep....ignore...Got it. |
| 22:16.25 | TiberiumX | romainguy__: What's your "anti-root" obsession? I've seen you here more than once decrying the quest for root access. |
| 22:16.44 | romainguy__ | I'm not anti-root |
| 22:17.03 | romainguy__ | it's just that this channel talks only about getting root and writing native code :) |
| 22:17.13 | romainguy__ | I would love to see more discussions about writing actual apps |
| 22:17.14 | romainguy__ | that's all |
| 22:17.16 | benley | ME TOO |
| 22:17.24 | Disconnect | so join #android-dev. thats what its for.. |
| 22:17.29 | Disconnect | :) |
| 22:17.29 | benley | the root access thing is a huge distraction |
| 22:17.44 | dcordes | RyeBrye, #define MSM_SHARED_RAM_PHYS 0x01F00000 |
| 22:18.18 | JesusFreke | infobot are you alive? |
| 22:18.18 | infobot | The dead cannot live |
| 22:18.50 | Disconnect | benley: yah but it comes solely from the fact that android is closed. |
| 22:18.51 | TiberiumX | Disconnect: Ahh, I didn't know about that one. |
| 22:19.09 | Disconnect | if it were open to developers, instead of just app writers, nobody would be freaking out about it. |
| 22:19.20 | TiberiumX | Well, we should differentiate between android and the G1. Andoid is open. |
| 22:19.20 | Disconnect | and none of the "hangers on" wold be jumping up and down decrying it. |
| 22:19.32 | benley | Disconnect: dude, it's not closed. The G1 is kinda closed. You have the source to android, though. |
| 22:19.36 | dcordes | infobot, why do people want me to only use the google userspace on my g1? |
| 22:19.36 | infobot | why not? |
| 22:20.04 | dcordes | slaps infobot with board-trout |
| 22:23.21 | Alien_Freak | see, I think you're confusing two aspects, getting root on the G1 opens up a whole new array of things you can do with the phone above and beyond just using the android API |
| 22:23.35 | fnord_ | romainguy_, is it possible to load arbitrary urls with the page stripping proxy? |
| 22:23.55 | romainguy__ | fnord_: like I said, low-level stuff are not my thing :) |
| 22:24.08 | fnord_ | That's low level? o.o |
| 22:24.18 | romainguy__ | for me, yes |
| 22:24.40 | fnord_ | was going to suggest making a browser menu command to load mobile-friendly version of the current page :D |
| 22:24.59 | Cyrano_De | My G1 is sadly limited in what I can do with it compared to my N810 mainly as a result of not having root. |
| 22:25.05 | fnord_ | will look into that feedback thinie |
| 22:25.09 | fnord_ | thingie |
| 22:25.09 | romainguy__ | fnord_: ah ok, sorry I get what you're talking about now :) |
| 22:25.13 | Disconnect | awrafdkfdsjfkl. does traceview work on osx? it just bails when i run it against my trace file |
| 22:25.20 | romainguy__ | it works |
| 22:25.27 | Disconnect | ok. i'll see what else might be going on. |
| 22:25.27 | romainguy__ | at least it's supposed to |
| 22:25.39 | romainguy__ | (a large part of the Android team works on OS X fwiw) |
| 22:25.40 | Cyrano_De | I was truely hoping to replace the N810 with something with a cellular radio. |
| 22:26.35 | Cyrano_De | I can't even tether my N810 to the G1 and have the best of both worlds and I have to wait for Google/HTC to fix that if they will at all. |
| 22:26.36 | fnord_ | Cyrano_De, tether it, if you have root. |
| 22:26.42 | kRutOn | Cyrano_De: I wonder if the WiMAX version lets you have root |
| 22:27.13 | fnord_ | Cyrano_De, with root it's possible to make the g1 an adhoc wifi -> g3 router |
| 22:27.17 | Cyrano_De | I don't live in the one city on this continent where wiMax is an option. |
| 22:27.31 | fnord_ | is looking into a solution using adb pppd |
| 22:27.42 | Cyrano_De | With root other developers might have a chance to fix the tethering issue. |
| 22:28.19 | fnord_ | Already done but unfortunately you need to avoid the latest firmware to do so |
| 22:28.34 | Disconnect | fnord_: don't use adb pppd just set up pand + pppd. |
| 22:28.35 | kRutOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:28.48 | Cyrano_De | Not to mention the lack of a2dp so I can toss the crappy little usb/stereo dongle in the trash where all such things belong. |
| 22:28.49 | fnord_ | Disconnect, it depends if one wants bluetooth or usb :> |
| 22:29.22 | Disconnect | yep. but the pppd config will 99.9% identical. |
| 22:29.24 | Cyrano_De | Why make a "Wireless" device at all and force a cable on your users. |
| 22:29.33 | fnord_ | Disconnect, btw, pester me in around 3 hours to test that |
| 22:29.48 | Disconnect | fnord_: to test pand or dund or..? |
| 22:29.58 | fnord_ | the pand bandwidth issue |
| 22:30.19 | Disconnect | cool |
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| 22:35.09 | ivantis2 | HAI android people |
| 22:35.20 | ivantis2 | is android running on any other phone than the G1? |
| 22:36.06 | offby1 | not that's in public release, as far as I know. |
| 22:37.21 | ivantis2 | ok |
| 22:37.33 | ivantis2 | is ivantis still here? |
| 22:37.40 | ivantis2 | oh good |
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| 22:47.57 | Chewy954 | anyone have a good tut to get root on rc28? |
| 22:48.33 | Disconnect | lol |
| 22:49.06 | Chewy954 | I followed one but it says connection refused, returned null |
| 22:49.06 | Chewy954 | :| |
| 22:49.22 | Disconnect | just install jf's rc30 update |
| 22:49.25 | Disconnect | (NOT the goog one) |
| 22:50.00 | Chewy954 | ok |
| 22:50.01 | Chewy954 | let me google |
| 22:50.02 | Chewy954 | thanks |
| 22:50.50 | Chewy954 | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443041 |
| 22:50.51 | Chewy954 | that? |
| 22:50.55 | Chewy954 | wont i need root for it? o.0 |
| 22:51.24 | Disconnect | omg. someone who googles without asking a million questions. |
| 22:51.26 | Disconnect | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=443713 is what you want |
| 22:51.42 | Disconnect | yah start with 443041 sorry. updated recovery.img |
| 22:52.28 | Chewy954 | lol, thanks :P |
| 22:52.42 | Disconnect | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rooting_Android |
| 22:53.38 | Chewy954 | i did that and when I telnet to the phone it doesnt repond |
| 22:53.39 | Chewy954 | :\ |
| 22:54.16 | Disconnect | enter telnetd enter |
| 22:54.41 | Chewy954 | i didnt do enter beforehand |
| 22:54.42 | Chewy954 | thanks |
| 22:56.23 | Chewy954 | hmm |
| 22:56.28 | Chewy954 | should i update to rc29 first? |
| 22:56.31 | Disconnect | no |
| 22:56.34 | Chewy954 | ok |
| 22:56.58 | Chewy954 | ok |
| 22:57.00 | Chewy954 | it connected |
| 22:57.00 | Chewy954 | :o |
| 22:57.12 | Chewy954 | thanks =] |
| 23:00.28 | Chewy954 | i get permission denied in the terminal emulator still :\ |
| 23:01.04 | Disconnect | ok do you understand how root works and what it does/doesn't do? |
| 23:01.26 | Chewy954 | a bit |
| 23:01.35 | Chewy954 | it allows full access to everything :P |
| 23:01.40 | Disconnect | ...not really. but ok. |
| 23:01.42 | Chewy954 | so pretty much, I can brick my phone with it. |
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| 23:03.41 | Chewy954 | hmm |
| 23:03.48 | Chewy954 | i found a tut of the same thing but broken down |
| 23:03.51 | Chewy954 | let me try this |
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| 23:11.15 | DarkriftX | now has rc30+root :) |
| 23:11.24 | DarkriftX | is happy now :) |
| 23:11.59 | Disconnect | now you can tell me if pand is slow for you :) |
| 23:13.53 | Chewy954 | o.o |
| 23:13.55 | Chewy954 | pand? |
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| 23:23.39 | Chewy954 | bah |
| 23:23.41 | Chewy954 | when i telnet |
| 23:23.44 | Chewy954 | i enter to mount |
| 23:23.48 | Chewy954 | connection resets |
| 23:23.48 | Chewy954 | =[ |
| 23:24.51 | fnord_ | o.o that's odd |
| 23:25.25 | Chewy954 | yea |
| 23:26.00 | Chewy954 | let me try again |
| 23:26.00 | Chewy954 | o.0 |
| 23:28.17 | DarkriftX | how is andnav working? |
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| 23:37.14 | Chewy954 | now i get a error while reading socket |
| 23:37.15 | Chewy954 | odd |
| 23:37.16 | Chewy954 | o.0 |
| 23:37.35 | fnord_ | is it still running? |
| 23:37.56 | fnord_ | DarkriftX, it's good, for a gps app. Not so good for finding the nearest pho restaurant :> |
| 23:38.23 | DarkriftX | it says its not real time..... |
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| 23:41.00 | fnord_ | hmm well I never drove with it... |
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| 23:41.05 | fnord_ | so maybe it's not a good gps app :> |
| 23:45.03 | IznastY | - [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ] |
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| 23:49.02 | Damm | you know IznastY is always away... always with his public away |
| 23:49.05 | Chewy954 | damnit |
| 23:49.05 | Damm | damn that's annoying |
| 23:49.10 | Chewy954 | i keep getting error while reading socket |
| 23:49.11 | Chewy954 | :\ |
| 23:49.30 | Damm | DarkriftX, when did you buy a G1? |
| 23:52.57 | Disconnect | damnit. i can't get traceview to work :( |
| 23:53.04 | Disconnect | (work as in do anything other than crash) |
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| 23:55.57 | Damm | Disconnect, that qualifies as 'work'... for the G1 |
| 23:56.04 | Disconnect | sometimes. |
| 23:56.18 | Damm | eh just wait for Android 2.0 |
| 23:59.31 | DarkriftX | yes Damm |