IRC log for #android on 20081128

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`00:06.25`	`eldenz`	`dob1, i remember i had the same problem... and somehow figured out the working url`
`00:07.00`	`phyburn`	`is anyone using the virtual voice mail for the G1?`
`00:07.07`	`eldenz`	`but can't remember and i don't have eclipse around`
`00:07.21`	`eldenz`	`dob1, In Step 4, try changing the remote update site URL to use http, rather than https.`
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`00:07.47`	`eldenz`	`http://code.google.com/android/intro/installing.html`
`00:10.27`	`offby1`	`phyburn: what's that?`
`00:10.57`	`phyburn`	`its like what the iphone has`
`00:11.00`	`phyburn`	`for voice mail`
`00:11.07`	`phyburn`	`you dont have to call anything, its just downloaded to your phone`
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`00:17.08`	`offby1`	`sounds handy`
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`00:20.32`	`bert0`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:21.42`	`phyburn`	`<PROTECTED>`
`00:21.48`	`bert0`	`ha`
`00:22.15`	`bert0`	`how do I make this thing stop saying I'm away?`
`00:23.17`	`offby1`	`whup it upside the haid, naturally`
`00:24.13`	`eugene`	`bert0: /away again`
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`00:26.35`	`bert0`	`thanks`
`00:26.49`	`bert0`	`I've been away for a long long time, it's good to be back`
`00:28.10`	`eugene`	`bert0: welcome back`
`00:29.23`	`bert0`	`Has anyone here ever known anyone with a zune? why would M$ think its a good idea to make a zune phone?`
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`00:31.37`	`VersedBold`	`They already do. Its called wm`
`00:33.51`	`offby1`	`I met someone who once saw a zune.`
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`00:34.46`	`VersedBold`	`I've seen them they aren't bad but they don't thrill me either.`
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`00:38.17`	`languish`	`My wife and I have zunes. Got 'em cheap, we're happy with 'em.`
`00:39.19`	`languish`	`Mostly use the zunes to watch vcasts and tv shows while commuting`
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`01:05.12`	`dob1`	`i resolve the point of downloading the eclipse plugin, i downloaded the zip version but i have another question`
`01:05.40`	`dob1`	`a beginner question, i am playing with a tutorial, but once i have started the emulator, every time i make a change to the code`
`01:05.50`	`dob1`	`i have to re-run the emulator?`
`01:06.06`	`dob1`	`it takes a lot of time`
`01:06.40`	`Leeds`	`can't you just reload your code into the running emulator?`
`01:07.56`	`dob1`	`Leeds: just to understand, i can just re-run the code with eclipse and it will update the application on the emulator?`
`01:08.05`	`Leeds`	`I don't use eclipse`
`01:08.17`	`Leeds`	`but you should be able to do that, yes`
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`01:09.23`	`dob1`	`Leeds: ok seems to work, thanks`
`01:09.44`	`Leeds`	`ah, you'd just assumed you needed to restart? ;-)`
`01:10.24`	`dob1`	`Leeds: sorry i am a beginner, if every time i have to restart emulator it was very difficult to test :)`
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`01:12.10`	`Leeds`	`no problem`
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`01:56.39`	`giglife`	`hello`
`01:56.49`	`giglife`	`just got a G1 :P`
`01:58.49`	`giglife`	`got it for my gf she has tmobile : i did all the steps and i flashed it with update_TC4-RC30_full_xda-dev_v1.2 so thats the newest tmobile stock firmware all cracked out right`
`02:04.08`	`JesusFreke`	`giglife: yep :)`
`02:06.27`	`giglife`	`thank`
`02:06.29`	`giglife`	`you`
`02:06.36`	`JesusFreke`	`your`
`02:06.38`	`JesusFreke`	`welcome`
`02:06.49`	`JesusFreke`	`:D`
`02:06.58`	`giglife`	`good :) now tiime hurry up with the apps people LOL`
`02:07.34`	`giglife`	`here is a tip`
`02:07.47`	`giglife`	`i was getting this bs SD card error before`
`02:07.59`	`giglife`	`telling me it could not find update.zip`
`02:08.08`	`giglife`	`i renamed it UPDATE.zip`
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`02:08.15`	`giglife`	`and it worked`
`02:08.36`	`JesusFreke`	`do you have "show file associations" turned off in windows?`
`02:08.45`	`giglife`	`its not even that`
`02:08.46`	`JesusFreke`	`err, not associations`
`02:08.49`	`JesusFreke`	`extensions`
`02:08.54`	`giglife`	`i checked the file`
`02:09.01`	`giglife`	`it was named correct`
`02:09.18`	`giglife`	`it was giving me E blah blah cant find update.zip`
`02:09.23`	`JesusFreke`	`k. just making sure :). If you have file associations turned off, and rename it to update.zip, it's actually named update.zip.zip`
`02:09.23`	`giglife`	`i was going crazy`
`02:09.24`	`JesusFreke`	`lol`
`02:09.33`	`giglife`	`i renamed it UPDATE.zip`
`02:09.37`	`giglife`	`bam`
`02:09.52`	`JesusFreke`	`I'm almost positive it was some other factor`
`02:10.10`	`JesusFreke`	`because it doesn't (shouldn't?) matter whether it's UPDATE.zip or update.zip`
`02:10.36`	`giglife`	`yea thats what i thought to but i did read that before some where on a diffrent device`
`02:10.55`	`giglife`	`that upercase worked and i tried it because i thought of it`
`02:11.22`	`elad`	`have any of you sold anything on ebay recently?`
`02:11.39`	`JesusFreke`	`I guess as long as it works, huh? :)`
`02:11.39`	`giglife`	`not in the last 3 months atleast`
`02:11.46`	`giglife`	`yea it worked fine`
`02:11.49`	`JesusFreke`	`yeah, not too recently. why?`
`02:11.56`	`giglife`	`just wanted to let people know`
`02:12.06`	`giglife`	`because i was reading some others had that problem`
`02:12.11`	`elad`	`Jesus, is it normal now for paypal to hold the funds from the seller till the buyer gets the package?`
`02:12.31`	`giglife`	`and they tried like 1gb and then a 8gb and the 8gb worked with update.zip but no 1gb they had would work`
`02:13.05`	`JesusFreke`	`elad: not that I know of.. but that doesn't mean much :)`
`02:13.26`	`elad`	`I haven't sold anything for awhile, and the funds are on hold in paypal.. they say it could take up to 21 days, or until the buyer gets the item`
`02:13.36`	`giglife`	`so when i came in to that problem i just was like UPDATE.zip and bam because i dont have a 8GB laying around`
`02:14.57`	`giglife`	`is this also unlocked can i throw my att sim in this when my gf is not using it. and i give here the 3g iphone when it gets working for tmobile :P we can swap`
`02:15.07`	`JesusFreke`	`it might be some weird file system issue or something. shrug`
`02:15.31`	`JesusFreke`	`you should be able to use the ATT sim, but no 3G`
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`02:16.05`	`JesusFreke`	`they use different frequencies than tmobile for 3G`
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`02:16.29`	`JesusFreke`	`I don't really know all the details though.. I'm not knowledgable about that part of it`
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`02:17.48`	`giglife`	`are there any bugs in this firmware`
`02:18.02`	`giglife`	`when does tmobile come out with r30`
`02:18.51`	`JesusFreke`	`RC30 is out..`
`02:19.06`	`giglife`	`ahh this phone is lucky`
`02:19.12`	`giglife`	`it was at r29 :P`
`02:19.28`	`JesusFreke`	`yeah. there are still 19,28 and 29s out there I think`
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`02:26.35`	`mib_hinypk`	`got an iddiot question for you`
`02:26.59`	`mib_hinypk`	`how do i copy a file from sdcard to phone memory`
`02:27.12`	`mib_hinypk`	`i have a hacked rc30`
`02:27.24`	`mib_hinypk`	`and terminal emulator`
`02:27.29`	`JesusFreke`	`cat /sdcard/file > /wherever/you/want/the/file/to/go`
`02:27.35`	`JesusFreke`	`or`
`02:27.46`	`mib_hinypk`	`cat wtf`
`02:27.51`	`JesusFreke`	`busybox cp /sdcard/file /wherever/you/want/the/file/to/go`
`02:28.00`	`mib_hinypk`	`where is cp when i need it`
`02:28.00`	`JesusFreke`	`yeah, it doesn't come with a cp command by default`
`02:28.02`	`JesusFreke`	`lol`
`02:28.11`	`JesusFreke`	`but busybox has tp`
`02:28.12`	`JesusFreke`	`cp`
`02:28.21`	`mib_hinypk`	`ah`
`02:28.23`	`mib_hinypk`	`ok`
`02:28.25`	`mib_hinypk`	`thx`
`02:28.30`	`JesusFreke`	`speaking of which..`
`02:28.42`	`JesusFreke`	`I should create a cp link to busybox in the next version`
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`02:29.17`	`giglife`	`would be nice`
`02:29.27`	`giglife`	`great job with this :P`
`02:29.32`	`fariseo`	`allright, andorid in the new christina aguilera video :)`
`02:29.49`	`JesusFreke`	`sigh`
`02:30.01`	`JesusFreke`	`the android name has been soiled`
`02:30.12`	`JesusFreke`	`it will never been the same again`
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`02:35.54`	`giglife`	`sweet thanks again for the moding :P iphone and g1 all in the same week i'm so special so special so special`
`02:36.22`	`fariseo`	`what iphone moding?`
`02:37.09`	`giglife`	`i just got a g3 iphone aswell this week`
`02:37.37`	`giglife`	`i flashed it with 2.2 with baseband 2.11.07 for maybe latter unlocking`
`02:37.43`	`JesusFreke`	`they skipped g2 and merged it with iphone? :D`
`02:37.45`	`giglife`	`cracked ipa :P`
`02:38.00`	`giglife`	`i got it for $150`
`02:38.06`	`giglife`	`i got the G1 for $179`
`02:38.38`	`unix_infidel`	`giglife: at wal-mart?`
`02:38.54`	`giglife`	`3g iphone bought off some one $150 cash`
`02:39.11`	`unix_infidel`	`ah.`
`02:39.14`	`giglife`	`g1 was added as a 2nd line to a phone as a family plan for $179 plus the tax`
`02:39.56`	`giglife`	`all it was was $35 for a new line act so cheaper then buying the phone for $400`
`02:41.01`	`Disconnect`	`JesusFreke: got those bins integrated to the new image? i'm too lazy to do my own :) but i'll happily offer startup script patches and such once i have them figured`
`02:41.33`	`giglife`	`white g1 :P`
`02:42.53`	`JesusFreke`	`nah, not yet. I may do a partial release that contains the binaries and module, along with stripping everything in xbin to free up some space`
`02:43.28`	`JesusFreke`	`it would be nice to get it more automated before included in a new version`
`02:44.09`	`Disconnect`	`fair enough`
`02:49.02`	`Disconnect`	`i'll get right on that then :)`
`02:50.03`	`JesusFreke`	`yeah! get to work!`
`02:50.06`	`JesusFreke`	`cracks whip`
`02:50.09`	`JesusFreke`	`:D`
`02:51.12`	`Disconnect`	`oooooh if you want to play instead... :P`
`02:51.46`	`JesusFreke`	`:p`
`02:52.08`	`sparkle`	`laughs`
`02:52.10`	`sparkle`	`heyhey jf`
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`02:59.21`	`JesusFreke`	`hey sparkle`
`03:00.00`	`JesusFreke`	`note to self: microwaving a cup full of frothed milk isn't a good idea. it tends to expand`
`03:01.43`	`Disconnect`	`heh neat`
`03:02.04`	`JesusFreke`	`until you have to clean up the mess :p`
`03:02.09`	`VersedBold`	`Making a cappacino?`
`03:02.17`	`JesusFreke`	`hot chocolate`
`03:02.25`	`VersedBold`	`K`
`03:02.27`	`JesusFreke`	`thought I would try it frothy. didn't turn out so well. lol`
`03:02.33`	`unix_infidel`	`forthy?>`
`03:02.46`	`JesusFreke`	`frothed. i.e. foamy.. lot's of trapped air`
`03:03.18`	`unix_infidel`	`ew, it just heats the air inbetween the milk and curdles it :-(`
`03:03.22`	`JesusFreke`	`I have a frothery thingy from italy. it's just a container that has a mesh that you can raise up and down, and force air into the milk`
`03:03.41`	`JesusFreke`	`so I did that, then microwaved the result`
`03:03.53`	`JesusFreke`	`and obviously all the trapped air expands..`
`03:04.12`	`JesusFreke`	`and it makes a mess :)`
`03:04.22`	`unix_infidel`	`yea that's just basic physics...`
`03:04.28`	`JesusFreke`	`indeed`
`03:04.44`	`unix_infidel`	`never quite figured out why oatmeal bubbles out after too long in the microwave though.`
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`03:06.08`	`Disconnect`	`hmm. so do i do it right (./bluetooth/bluedroid/bluetooth.c: if (property_set("ctl.stop", "hcid") < 0) {) or do i do it simple (mangle hcid in init.rc)?`
`03:06.31`	`Disconnect`	`JesusFreke: any objection to requiring a source change?`
`03:06.44`	`JesusFreke`	`nah. we have a number already`
`03:06.57`	`JesusFreke`	`saurik made some changes in init and the kernel`
`03:06.58`	`Disconnect`	`ok cool. i'll just add it as a new service on bt start.`
`03:08.32`	`JesusFreke`	`sounds good`
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`03:12.15`	`Disconnect`	`someone else is gonna have to test tho`
`03:14.20`	`JesusFreke`	`I can test`
`03:16.17`	`Disconnect`	`coolios`
`03:16.28`	`Disconnect`	`cuz if i brick my phone tonight the wif is gonna divorce me :)`
`03:18.22`	`unix_infidel`	`heading somewhere else for the weekend?`
`03:19.06`	`JesusFreke`	`lol :)`
`03:21.33`	`Disconnect`	`hmm. anyone have a favorite embedded dhcp server? I'm thinking maradns but..`
`03:22.14`	`benley`	`udhcpd?`
`03:22.33`	`Disconnect`	`oooh from busybox. schweet.`
`03:22.51`	`JesusFreke`	`somerandomlettersthatendindhcpd?`
`03:23.45`	`Disconnect`	`JesusFreke: wanna add udhcpd to your busybox build?`
`03:23.49`	`Leeds`	`how small is dnsmasq?`
`03:24.04`	`Disconnect`	`Leeds: not as small as the already-ported udhcpd :)`
`03:24.06`	`JesusFreke`	`disconnect, It looks like it's there already?`
`03:24.11`	`Disconnect`	`sweet`
`03:24.24`	`JesusFreke`	`# busybox \| grep dhcp`
`03:24.24`	`JesusFreke`	`busybox \| grep dhcp`
`03:24.24`	`JesusFreke`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:24.24`	`JesusFreke`	`<PROTECTED>`
`03:24.31`	`Disconnect`	`should really flash your new version soon`
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`03:34.13`	`Disconnect`	`hmm. so before i run out this diff.. in init.rc we run iptables to set up the NAT rules and insmod the bnep module. define the pand service, and add start/stop just before/after hcid in bluetooth.c ..`
`03:34.46`	`JesusFreke`	`k..`
`03:35.00`	`Disconnect`	`oh i missed udhcp service.`
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`03:38.51`	`Disconnect`	`where are you stuffing pand and udhcpd?`
`03:38.56`	`Disconnect`	`(path)`
`03:41.38`	`Disconnect`	`ok i'll go with system/xbin and you can edit init.rc if thats wrong :)`
`03:43.10`	`JesusFreke`	`yeah, that's fine`
`03:43.56`	`TiberiumX`	`I have two TextView objects in a horizontal LinearLayout, one with gravity="left" and the other gravity="right". Doesn't do a damn thing. Anyone know how I can have one textview aligned to the right of the screen and the other on the left?`
`03:45.00`	`elad`	`#TextViewLeft { float: left; }`
`03:45.01`	`IznastY`	`- [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ]`
`03:45.15`	`elad`	`#TextViewRight { float: Right; }`
`03:46.20`	`TiberiumX`	`Yeah, only this isn't CSS.`
`03:50.43`	`sparkle`	`mm`
`03:50.49`	`sparkle`	`has anyone dug into the logic of the low memory killer?`
`03:51.14`	`Disconnect`	`hmm. i have a dilemma. i have to make pand start udhcpd when it gets a connection, but not before.`
`03:51.29`	`sparkle`	`i gather from digging that uid system has rights to set kill preference numbers per process for uids => 1000`
`03:52.49`	`jasta`	`TiberiumX: you want textAlign`
`03:53.12`	`jasta`	`you also probably want them to be width=0, weight=1`
`03:53.29`	`jasta`	`this will make them both the same size, but one will be right-aligned and the other left (by default)`
`03:53.37`	`JesusFreke`	`Disconnect.. maybe you could modify pand to set a property and then trigger a service on that property?`
`03:54.06`	`JesusFreke`	`I'm not familiar with the internals of pand, so I'm just shooting in the dark :)`
`03:54.15`	`jasta`	`hello JesusFreke :)`
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`03:54.25`	`Disconnect`	`that seems like a pita :) but yah. its certainly the android way.`
`03:54.28`	`JesusFreke`	`hey jasta :)`
`03:54.47`	`Disconnect`	`hmm. i wonder what udhcpd will do if it's interface isn't up.`
`03:54.56`	`eugene`	`hm`
`03:55.01`	`JesusFreke`	`I was just wondering that too..`
`03:57.27`	`Disconnect`	`udhcpd: is interface bnep0 up and configured?: No such device`
`03:57.44`	`Disconnect`	`..so it'll bail. i could be unfriendly and have it just run every 2 seconds :)`
`03:59.36`	`JesusFreke`	`I highly doubt this will work.. but maybe. what if you create a loopback network device named as bnep0 just to start it up, and then remove the device?`
`03:59.38`	`jasta`	`what are you trying to do?`
`04:00.20`	`JesusFreke`	`Disconnect is trying to get bluetooth tethering more automated`
`04:00.26`	`sparkle`	`i'd think it'd get crabby when the interface is unplumbed out from underneath it`
`04:00.30`	`JesusFreke`	`dhcp server and all that`
`04:00.32`	`sparkle`	`i sure would :p`
`04:00.35`	`JesusFreke`	`yeah, I suspect it would. lol`
`04:01.05`	`Damm`	`you know what would suck?`
`04:01.07`	`JesusFreke`	`in particular, we need to be able to run dhcpd only after pand gets a BT connection`
`04:01.16`	`Damm`	`if they released a market app that lets you do BT tethering in 1-2weeks`
`04:01.28`	`Damm`	`Disconnect would be like... goddammit!`
`04:01.36`	`sparkle`	`a market app wouldn't be able to do it without changes outside of the jvm`
`04:01.38`	`jasta`	`JesusFreke: oh, that's a problem that will be very tough to solve without access to the internal bluetooth apis`
`04:02.00`	`JesusFreke`	`oh, he has BT tethering working :)`
`04:02.08`	`jasta`	`i know, that's not tough.`
`04:02.30`	`JesusFreke`	`and we can make any changes in the relevant binaries`
`04:02.34`	`JesusFreke`	`pand, etc.`
`04:02.55`	`Disconnect`	`i think i can get pand to run /etc/bluetooth/pan/dev-up`
`04:03.01`	`Disconnect`	`so..`
`04:03.23`	`sparkle`	`that'd do it`
`04:05.58`	`JesusFreke`	`yep, that'll do the trick`
`04:07.35`	`TiberiumX`	`jasta: textAlign isn't an attribute of TextView at least (maybe it's for EditText?). Setting layout_weight worked, but I still have to decide in advance how much relative space to give each element.`
`04:07.39`	`sparkle`	`it's be nice to figure out how to get encrypted ad hoc too though :-/`
`04:08.39`	`jasta`	`TiberiumX: i just spoke from the top of my head, not sure if that property is exactly what i thought :)`
`04:09.07`	`jasta`	`TiberiumX: however, now that i think more about your problem, all you need is width=0,weight=1 on the left-aligned widget. leave the right-aligned one as width=wrap.`
`04:09.09`	`TiberiumX`	`Ahh. Gravity is the only one I see that handles alignment at all.`
`04:09.12`	`jasta`	`that will work as you expect`
`04:09.35`	`jasta`	`in particular, the left-aligned textview will consume all available space, leaving only just enough for the right textview to use the rest (the right hanging space)`
`04:09.57`	`jasta`	`its not quite alignment, but visually it will work as you expect.`
`04:11.32`	`TiberiumX`	`jasta: Ahh, thanks. That does what I wanted.`
`04:12.37`	`jasta`	`np`
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`05:26.14`	`Disconnect`	`ok i'm unclear on how init.rc works - anyone got a pointer on docs? (or time for a simple question - if i add iptables calls in after the write/write/mount section, will that execute or am i missing something?)`
`05:27.37`	`JesusFreke`	`yeah, it's a bit weird. I think it's actually proprietary to android? I'm not positive`
`05:28.01`	`Disconnect`	`i just need to add the iptables calls and its set. :( or i can bundle up the patches for you that i've got already and let you deal with it :)`
`05:28.59`	`Disconnect`	`finding lots of old docs but nothing resembling the current format`
`05:29.07`	`JesusFreke`	`yeah, gimme a sec. lemme look at something`
`05:31.24`	`Disconnect`	`here we go. http://letsgoustc.spaces.live.com/Blog/cns!89AD27DFB5E249BA!428.entry`
`05:31.49`	`Disconnect`	`looks like i can just slap the commands into boot`
`05:33.01`	`JesusFreke`	`I think you will need an "exec" command though`
`05:33.21`	`JesusFreke`	`and I don't think my version of init has that. I'm checking`
`05:34.53`	`JesusFreke`	`yeah, just go ahead and use "exec iptables <whatever>"`
`05:35.05`	`JesusFreke`	`and I'll have to implement exec support in init.`
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`05:36.08`	`Disconnect`	`ok :)`
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`05:37.58`	`Disconnect`	`ok got a patch for you.`
`05:38.39`	`Disconnect`	`its 2 patches. system/bluetooth and system/core (stupid multiple git trees)`
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`05:50.12`	`Disconnect`	`night all! jf, lemme know how that works out :)`
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`06:10.37`	`spikebike`	`sweet`
`06:10.49`	`spikebike`	`broken laptop is reinstalling via usb`
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`06:14.46`	`liljohnpenguin`	`looking to get my teahtering working and its NOT, ha`
`06:14.59`	`Disconnect`	`whats broken?`
`06:15.01`	`liljohnpenguin`	`64 bit intel windows`
`06:15.12`	`liljohnpenguin`	`haha - prolly that!`
`06:15.15`	`Disconnect`	`well yah thats a big problem`
`06:15.17`	`Disconnect`	`:)`
`06:15.29`	`Disconnect`	`is asleep, honest. ok not quite yet but..`
`06:16.01`	`liljohnpenguin`	`i saw some text on it, so no 64 bit accurate?`
`06:16.17`	`Disconnect`	`..in english?`
`06:16.59`	`spikebike`	`disconnect did you get laptop -> wifi -> g1 -> edge/3g working?`
`06:17.01`	`Disconnect`	`as far as i know the socks/usb method doesn't work in 64bit because there is no adb usb driver.`
`06:17.14`	`Disconnect`	`no i use bluetooth + PAN :)`
`06:17.23`	`Disconnect`	`http://pastebin.ca/1267751`
`06:17.32`	`spikebike`	`seems a shocking number of things don't work with 64 bit windwos`
`06:17.36`	`spikebike`	`ah, bluetooth is even better`
`06:17.48`	`liljohnpenguin`	`ahhhh - your saying I can use bluetooth to teather? cooool`
`06:17.50`	`spikebike`	`what is the max bandwidth of bluetooth?`
`06:18.12`	`liljohnpenguin`	`1.21 gigawatts`
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`06:18.42`	`liljohnpenguin`	`come on, now that was funny`
`06:20.14`	`Damm`	`i really haste patebin.ca`
`06:20.19`	`Disconnect`	`?`
`06:20.23`	`Damm`	`it only works half the time, I wish people would stop using it.`
`06:20.36`	`Disconnect`	`i find it a lot more stable than most of the others`
`06:20.36`	`spikebike`	`try pastebin.ca instead ;-)`
`06:20.44`	`Damm`	`err pastebin.ca`
`06:20.53`	`Damm`	`Disconnect, gist.github.com, or pastie.org`
`06:21.25`	`Damm`	`spikebike, i copied and pasted Disconnect's url exactly wanting to see it... and i'm still waiting`
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`06:21.39`	`Disconnect`	`wrong url anyway, doh`
`06:22.08`	`Disconnect`	`http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515`
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`06:23.52`	`liljohnpenguin`	`disconnect: can you send me a link how to teather this POS 64 bit wintel box with bluetooth`
`06:24.09`	`Disconnect`	`liljohnpenguin: http://www.gotontheinter.net/node/515`
`06:24.31`	`liljohnpenguin`	`haha-man i am dense!`
`06:24.34`	`liljohnpenguin`	`thanks!`
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`06:26.17`	`Damm`	`Disconnect, should be fairly easy to script that... do you need dhcp for bnep0? or no?`
`06:26.42`	`Disconnect`	`its set, in a patch i just sent jf. with dhcp to make it magic :)`
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`06:27.34`	`Damm`	`ah nice, so he'll have BT Pan in his next revision of RC30`
`06:27.38`	`Disconnect`	`thats the theory`
`06:27.40`	`Damm`	`makes me wish I didn't upgrade to RC30 and held back.`
`06:28.02`	`spikebike`	`disconnect sweet`
`06:28.18`	`Disconnect`	`..toldja. (told everyone who said " i dunno what i want with root so i'm gonna upgrade".)`
`06:28.23`	`liljohnpenguin`	`no important; but if im in the car and use bluetooth, will the laptop auto see it after first setup and start using and jsut block incoming calls, or you have to set a mode on the phone`
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`06:29.00`	`Disconnect`	`in the new script, when you turn on bt it starts up pand - the laptop needs to initiate the connection but it should be automagic`
`06:29.31`	`liljohnpenguin`	`wow - slick if works! get r done`
`06:29.58`	`liljohnpenguin`	`thanks sir, nice meeting everyone`
`06:30.00`	`Disconnect`	`i'll let someone else hack up old-style pan/ppp`
`06:30.00`	`liljohnpenguin`	`night`
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`06:32.52`	`Disconnect`	`night all`
`06:34.04`	`yogesh`	`hi, while starting up system, alert is pop up "System UID's Inconsistent: UID's on the system are inconsistent, you need to wipe your data partition or your device will be unstable" , Can any one help..`
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`06:42.12`	`Leeds`	`yogesh: have you done anything odd?`
`06:43.20`	`yogesh`	`i just change the resolution of video in framework applications..`
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`06:44.09`	`unix_infidel`	`has walmart released their pricing for the G1 this friday?`
`06:47.48`	`d03boy`	`walmart is selilng a g1?`
`06:50.25`	`Leeds`	`yeah, a $10-$20 or so lower than t-mob`
`06:52.09`	`d03boy`	`sweet`
`06:52.13`	`d03boy`	`do you have to get a contract`
`06:53.35`	`gambler`	`anyone know for how much they are selling them for without a plan?`
`06:54.20`	`TiberiumX`	`Is there a way to view all active intent filters on your phone?`
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`07:13.25`	`Leeds`	`gambler: $400, AFAIK, plus tax... and they are locked`
`07:14.32`	`eugene`	`Leeds: usd?`
`07:14.46`	`Leeds`	`yes`
`07:14.53`	`Leeds`	`eugene: and yes, it's bastard cheap`
`07:15.02`	`eugene`	`nod`
`07:15.44`	`eugene`	`imagine how much profit they make over here`
`07:15.55`	`Leeds`	`yeah`
`07:16.02`	`eugene`	`but then those who bought g1 from the shops here are mad`
`07:16.20`	`gambler`	`how much are they in merry old england`
`07:16.36`	`Leeds`	`should find someone in the US who can ship a few to me :-)`
`07:16.55`	`Leeds`	`gambler: I don't think they are available out of contract in the UK`
`07:17.23`	`gambler`	`you could always hit a TMO manager over the head with a tire iron and run...`
`07:17.36`	`Leeds`	`it would have to be a very long iron to reach from here`
`07:19.10`	`gambler`	`ill finally have mine next week. thank buddah`
`07:19.33`	`Leeds`	`hmm... which phone would buddha use?`
`07:20.05`	`gambler`	`probably the iphone. he is asian after all`
`07:20.22`	`Leeds`	`why do you think the iphone is asian?`
`07:21.32`	`gambler`	`all my asian friends have one...thats my best answer`
`07:21.46`	`gambler`	`s/all/most`
`07:21.48`	`eugene`	`gambler: then i must be an exception`
`07:22.01`	`Leeds`	`gambler: you are aware that eugene and I are in Asia? :-)`
`07:22.09`	`gambler`	`eugene, O RLY? hehe`
`07:22.16`	`eugene`	`hehe`
`07:22.28`	`Leeds`	`I know one Asian with an iphone, and a couple of expats`
`07:22.37`	`eugene`	`http://www.sgclub.com/singapore/china_go_own_104179.html`
`07:22.38`	`eugene`	`interesting`
`07:22.54`	`tmzt`	`JesusFreke: how can you exec from init? won't that replace pid 1?`
`07:23.16`	`gambler`	`im an asia too but self deceived colonialists call this country part of oceania`
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`07:24.03`	`jasta`	`why would i get INSTALL_PARSE_FAILED_MANIFEST_MALFORMED trying to install my apk?`
`07:24.13`	`gambler`	`cool`
`07:24.23`	`LeedsHK`	`I'm going to guess your manifest is malformed and the installer failed to parse it :-)`
`07:24.33`	`eugene`	`gambler: where in au?`
`07:24.47`	`jasta`	`LeedsHK: but that makes no sense; how did it get compiled then?`
`07:24.50`	`gambler`	`ive got that error before. It usually goes away on its own`
`07:25.05`	`gambler`	`eugene, Brisbane`
`07:25.07`	`gambler`	`eugene, u?`
`07:25.22`	`eugene`	`gambler: ahh... i'm in Singapore`
`07:25.30`	`eugene`	`gambler: isn't it beer o'clock already?`
`07:26.30`	`jasta`	`what the hell...`
`07:26.31`	`gambler`	`eugene, ...its getting to that time isnt it. :p`
`07:26.59`	`eugene`	`;p`
`07:27.45`	`LeedsHK`	`one of the little apps I might possibly try to write would be - as suggested here a while ago - a beer o'clock app`
`07:28.13`	`LeedsHK`	`"it's 3pm where you are - but in Sydney it's beer o'clock!"`
`07:28.30`	`jasta`	`gambler: it's definitely not just "going away"`
`07:28.43`	`eugene`	`hah`
`07:28.55`	`jasta`	`the platform must have a more deficient parser than the SDK?`
`07:29.32`	`LeedsHK`	`it'll be libxml or expat or something, surely?`
`07:29.59`	`jasta`	`LeedsHK: highly unlikely, the platform does not consume real XML. it consumes andorid's binary XML, which google designed.`
`07:30.03`	`jasta`	`so it's more likely that it's their own parser`
`07:30.10`	`gambler`	`jasta: my approach isnt elegant. I'd try a -wipe-data`
`07:30.18`	`LeedsHK`	`hmm... okay`
`07:30.43`	`jasta`	`gambler: why would that help? if its actually a parse error, what is -wipe-data going to do to change the parser?`
`07:31.06`	`gambler`	`good question. another good question is how has that fixed itself without my intervention`
`07:32.16`	`jasta`	`oh, i see. it's bitching about the ":" in my taskAffinity name`
`07:32.21`	`jasta`	`W/PackageParser( 52): /data/app/vmdl44488.tmp (at Binary XML file line #16): Invalid taskAffinity name org.devtcg.five:Music in package org.devtcg.five: bad character ':'`
`07:32.33`	`jasta`	`despite, of course, the docs recommending that i use a : in exactly this way`
`07:32.35`	`jasta`	`cute :)`
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`07:43.39`	`eugene`	`ok.. finally it's friday. going to install android on my n800 hee`
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`07:45.01`	`IznastY`	`- [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ]`
`07:46.45`	`LeedsHK`	`eugene: good luck :-)`
`07:47.01`	`LeedsHK`	`just a pity it isn't, y'know, a phone...`
`07:47.47`	`eugene`	`LeedsHK: awww..`
`07:51.35`	`LeedsHK`	`sorry`
`07:52.59`	`eugene`	`LeedsHK: it's ok :)`
`07:53.10`	`eugene`	`LeedsHK: i'm so tempted to buy one from ebay... but it's not cheap at all`
`07:53.31`	`LeedsHK`	`cheaper than me?`
`07:53.59`	`eugene`	`LeedsHK: hmm... it depends which seller i bbuy from... and how much i bid. not sure..`
`07:54.40`	`unix_infidel`	`i'd wager there's significantly more demand overseas than there is in the US and UK.`
`07:55.09`	`unix_infidel`	`and by overseas I mean SE Asia and Europe proper.`
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`08:19.06`	`eugene`	`crap. my n800 doesn't want to startup..`
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`08:29.34`	`LeedsHK`	`oops`
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`08:56.43`	`fnord_`	`eugene, what errors does it display?`
`08:56.49`	`fnord_`	`adb logcat should work`
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`08:59.44`	`tauno`	`the moderators of android-discuss are still celebrating thanksgiving or what's up with that?`
`09:00.01`	`romainguy`	`?`
`09:00.03`	`romainguy`	`what's going on?`
`09:00.11`	`romainguy`	`(and everybody's on vacation and it's 1am here)`
`09:01.10`	`LeedsHK`	`romainguy: then why are you online??? :-)`
`09:01.22`	`romainguy`	`because I don't celebrate thanksgiving`
`09:01.29`	`romainguy`	`and my fiancée is in LA for a few days`
`09:01.32`	`romainguy`	`so I geek around :)`
`09:01.56`	`jasta`	`romainguy: i figured out my taskaffinity problem. apparently it was rejecting my apk because it thinks i cant put :'s in the task name`
`09:01.57`	`LeedsHK`	`ah, you're an alien?`
`09:02.05`	`romainguy`	`LeedsHK: I'm French`
`09:02.14`	`romainguy`	`jasta: yeah I saw that, it doesn't surprise me much`
`09:02.20`	`LeedsHK`	`oh, I'm sorry to hear that :-P`
`09:02.25`	`romainguy`	`I almost replied about this but then thought I was wrong :)`
`09:02.29`	`romainguy`	`LeedsHK: I'm not :))`
`09:02.33`	`jasta`	`romainguy: well, i followed the documentation :)`
`09:02.38`	`romainguy`	`I know`
`09:02.48`	`fnord_`	`romainguy, maps app needs more cowbell`
`09:02.57`	`romainguy`	`agreed fnord_`
`09:03.04`	`romainguy`	`we have unfortunately a bad track record of updating our doc when the code changes :))`
`09:03.16`	`LeedsHK`	`is there a cowbell app yet?`
`09:03.18`	`jasta`	`romainguy: i've noticed. you guys should bulk up your army of grunt interns`
`09:03.29`	`romainguy`	`we have about 0 interns right now :)`
`09:03.34`	`jasta`	`see`
`09:03.44`	`jasta`	`("about" 0?)`
`09:03.58`	`romainguy`	`you never know, there might be leftover bits :)`
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`09:04.55`	`jasta`	`romainguy: so how come you didn't try to worm in on some free food today? :)`
`09:05.23`	`romainguy`	`because shes loves to cook and left me well stocked :)`
`09:06.24`	`jasta`	`i like turkey sandwiches. thanksgiving is great :)`
`09:06.39`	`cutmasta`	`hehe`
`09:08.12`	`romainguy`	`jasta: at least I worked on my app today :)`
`09:08.44`	`jasta`	`me too, but i do that just about every day hehe`
`09:09.03`	`eugene`	`fnord_: it was the battery problem. now it's working again`
`09:09.38`	`romainguy`	`jasta: a few hours of work to end up with now new features ^^`
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`09:10.53`	`fnord_`	`ahhh okay`
`09:11.15`	`eugene`	`fnord_: phew :)`
`09:12.01`	`LeedsHK`	`I went to the 'NY Deli' around the corner from the office for lunch - they had turkey and stuffing as food options today :-)`
`09:12.14`	`fnord_`	`eugene, it's not a phone, but there's a sip client`
`09:13.06`	`eugene`	`fnord_: nod. i can't wait to setup android in it. but it doesn't look like there is much to do according to http://www.internettablettalk.com/forums/showthread.php?p=198240`
`09:14.22`	`jasta`	`romainguy: i learn a lot just idly reading android source... like for instance, i did not know about import static.`
`09:14.39`	`romainguy`	`that's a nice little feature of Java 1.5 :)`
`09:15.12`	`jasta`	`at least a few times now i've had to rub my eyes at code i read. thinking "huh, this compiles?"`
`09:15.35`	`jasta`	`but i'm sort of new to Java though so i guess that shouldn't surprise me`
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`09:17.24`	`jasta`	`speaking of idly reading code...`
`09:17.40`	`jasta`	`there's a concurrency bug in AccountSetupCheckSettings in the Email app :)`
`09:17.52`	`romainguy`	`I believe you :)`
`09:17.55`	`fnord_`	`argh xchat now decides not to copy urls`
`09:18.09`	`romainguy`	`Java has several interesting and weird syntax things`
`09:18.13`	`romainguy`	`like int.class`
`09:18.20`	`jasta`	`the worker thread checks agains mDestroyed (which is set in onDestroy) before it schedules any work for the handler`
`09:18.31`	`jasta`	`except that access to it is neither volatile nor synchronized`
`09:18.31`	`romainguy`	`or new MyClass() {{ setFoo("bar"); }}`
`09:18.34`	`xsdg`	`romainguy: heh, I learned when I got there at 10:00 that Caltrain closed at 9:00`
`09:20.05`	`xsdg`	`wow, that was surprisingly effective at killing the conversation :o)`
`09:20.16`	`romainguy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:20.47`	`jasta`	`hmm, cool, eclipse exploded on me`
`09:21.13`	`xsdg`	`jasta: that's what it does best, I hear`
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`09:21.33`	`jasta`	`romainguy: what does the double brace syntax do?`
`09:21.49`	`romainguy`	`it's an anonymous initialization block`
`09:22.00`	`romainguy`	`the default constructor if you will`
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`09:22.15`	`jasta`	`thats bizarre`
`09:22.25`	`romainguy`	`not really actually`
`09:22.35`	`romainguy`	`if you compare that to the static initialization blocks for instance`
`09:22.49`	`romainguy`	`if you format it properly it doesn't look as weird`
`09:23.00`	`romainguy`	`another fun thing is that you can declare classes inside methods`
`09:23.04`	`romainguy`	`like this:`
`09:23.09`	`romainguy`	`public Bar getBar() {`
`09:23.15`	`romainguy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:23.19`	`romainguy`	`<PROTECTED>`
`09:23.20`	`romainguy`	`}`
`09:23.41`	`romainguy`	`I have to admit I never found any use for this syntax :)`
`09:23.48`	`eugene`	`heh booted android. no touchscreen capability`
`09:23.57`	`romainguy`	`I know it's used by the implementation of iterators in lists`
`09:24.40`	`Leeds`	`eugene: n800 is the one without the keyboard?`
`09:24.56`	`eugene`	`Leeds: yup`
`09:25.17`	`Leeds`	`so you have no keyboard and no touchscreen?`
`09:25.24`	`eugene`	`hehe yes..`
`09:26.39`	`eugene`	`Leeds: and a little unstable.`
`09:26.50`	`Leeds`	`that'd be the beer, I assume?`
`09:26.53`	`jasta`	`romainguy: GNU C lets you define functions inside of functions ;)`
`09:27.00`	`romainguy`	`I know`
`09:27.06`	`eugene`	`Leeds: but its quite neat`
`09:27.15`	`romainguy`	`but it's weird coming from Java`
`09:27.15`	`jasta`	`that i find especially odd. the code reads like Perl :)`
`09:27.30`	`romainguy`	`and also you could ask most seasoned Java developers, most would not know it's valid :)`
`09:28.03`	`jasta`	`hehe, it seems odd to me that i have not written any java outside the context of android :)`
`09:28.18`	`_avatar`	`i haven't written any java outside of android either :)`
`09:28.56`	`Leeds`	`I haven't written any java in years... within or without Android`
`09:28.58`	`romainguy`	`then there's teh weird strictfp keyword`
`09:29.02`	`romainguy`	`never used it, probably never will`
`09:29.48`	`jasta`	`gets back to his app`
`09:30.05`	`Leeds`	`in fact my closest connection to Java is probably having a cup of coffee with someone who worked with James Gosling, at Sun`
`09:36.46`	`eugene`	`ah there's a newer kernel with touchscreen support`
`09:36.58`	`tauno`	`<romainguy> what's going on? <- ~24h since I posted to the list (as you suggested btw :P) and the message is still not there..`
`09:37.10`	`romainguy`	`post again`
`09:37.56`	`tauno`	`an then it'll double post.. been there, done that`
`09:38.10`	`romainguy`	`bah`
`09:38.31`	`tauno`	`but le'ts try it again then :d`
`09:42.10`	`romainguy`	`hmm I like the layout of the git tree`
`09:42.13`	`romainguy`	`so much cleaner`
`09:42.37`	`jasta`	`i like it too, though i cant say its cleaner than your mystery tree :)`
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`09:50.28`	`tauno`	`speaking about stuff in java 1.5 - I recenlty discovered varargs when reading the android source.. that's handy`
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`09:58.18`	`joeyjones`	`and there goes another post to xda-developers`
`10:01.25`	`eugene`	`yay. touchscreen seems to work now`
`10:01.41`	`eugene`	`i spoke too soon`
`10:03.32`	`eugene`	`ah.. it works. but n800 is too slow.`
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`10:14.16`	`jasta`	`romainguy: you around?`
`10:14.20`	`romainguy`	`yes`
`10:14.31`	`jasta`	`i have a layout question for you`
`10:14.59`	`jasta`	`how would i accomplish a layout contained in a scrollview which forces a particular view to the bottom of either the screen if scrolling is not necessary, or in the normal flow if it is`
`10:15.41`	`jasta`	`i'm adding a sort of wizard to next your way through initial set up, and if the phone is rotated landscape, the view is full and so the bar is naturally at the bottom of the screen/scrollview`
`10:15.56`	`romainguy`	`ahah`
`10:16.01`	`romainguy`	`there's a feature for that`
`10:16.06`	`romainguy`	`android:fillViewport="true"`
`10:16.09`	`jasta`	`but when it is portrait, the screen is not full, but the footer should still "stick"`
`10:16.24`	`romainguy`	`if the scrollview's child is smaller than the scrollview, it will be expanded to fill the scrollview`
`10:16.30`	`romainguy`	`you put that attribute on the scrollview`
`10:16.43`	`jasta`	`ahh ok`
`10:17.16`	`jasta`	`thanks :)`
`10:18.21`	`jasta`	`yay :)`
`10:19.20`	`jasta`	`hmm, this could be my bug, but now the footer is laid out with a small margin to the right, the exact size of the scroller when it would be shown (but is not)`
`10:19.48`	`jasta`	`which is what i'd want if the scroller was visible/necessary, but not when it isn't`
`10:19.54`	`romainguy`	`are you using inset scrollbars?`
`10:20.00`	`jasta`	`yes, outsideInset`
`10:20.24`	`romainguy`	`here you go`
`10:21.35`	`jasta`	`oh, i guess now that i read the docs i should not do that ;)`
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`10:22.30`	`romainguy`	`jasta: :))`
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`10:47.59`	`tauno`	`can shortcut icons be changed after they are added to the home screen?`
`10:49.12`	`tauno`	`or can they be deleted? :)`
`10:54.00`	`Acsia`	`tauno: yes`
`10:54.23`	`Acsia`	`long click and drag on top of the wastebin`
`10:55.19`	`tauno`	`I mean programmatically`
`10:55.28`	`tauno`	`eg by sending an intent`
`10:56.40`	`jasta`	`well, anycut does it...`
`10:56.47`	`jasta`	`check its source`
`10:57.57`	`romainguy`	`tauno: yes they can`
`10:58.07`	`romainguy`	`it requires special permissions though`
`10:59.53`	`tauno`	`romainguy, deleted, changed or both?`
`11:00.13`	`romainguy`	`to add or remove shortcuts`
`11:00.32`	`romainguy`	`you can also change them but it requires access to the system settings`
`11:00.36`	`romainguy`	`(and that has changed since 1.0)`
`11:01.31`	`tauno`	`can this be requested by just using uses-permission tag?`
`11:01.46`	`romainguy`	`yep`
`11:01.52`	`romainguy`	`why do you want to do this?`
`11:01.56`	`tauno`	`any examples on this? :)`
`11:02.07`	`romainguy`	`nope`
`11:02.28`	`tauno`	`romainguy, want to display a dynamic icon to the home screen that indicates when something has changed for the specific thingie behind the shortcut`
`11:02.35`	`romainguy`	`ouch`
`11:02.39`	`romainguy`	`don't do it that way`
`11:02.45`	`tauno`	`why not?`
`11:02.50`	`romainguy`	`it's very inefficient`
`11:02.54`	`romainguy`	`we want to add this feature`
`11:03.17`	`romainguy`	`it's inefficient and, like I said, it's gonna break with a future update :)`
`11:03.31`	`tauno`	`yes but I won't do it that often.. let's say once in 30 mins or even more..`
`11:03.58`	`tauno`	`romainguy, well that's the risk that I'm willing to take :)`
`11:04.12`	`romainguy`	`I don't care about you, I care about the users :)`
`11:04.30`	`tauno`	`I see :D`
`11:05.09`	`tauno`	`well.. I promise you that if it's going to break, we'll update the software ASAP :) and we inform the user that some features may break at some point :)`
`11:05.40`	`romainguy`	`still sucks for the user :)`
`11:07.23`	`tauno`	`I guess that the feature by itself is a way bigger argument and people are better off using it right away like it is and take the risk that it might not work for a day or two at some point (but that's just my opinion)`
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`11:07.39`	`romainguy`	`no, I strongly disagree`
`11:07.43`	`romainguy`	`it is a cool and interesting feature`
`11:07.49`	`romainguy`	`but it should be done the right way before being used`
`11:08.07`	`romainguy`	`especially since it requires to go hack Home's database`
`11:08.54`	`romainguy`	`I can't prevent you from using it but you are, once again, doing a disservice to yourself, your users and the Android team`
`11:08.59`	`_avatar`	`also, i assume unintentionally clobbering home's database would be really bad, especially for the average user`
`11:10.22`	`romainguy`	`that too ^^`
`11:10.27`	`tauno`	`romainguy, uh, relax, I won't do it then if its really that bad ;)`
`11:11.39`	`tauno`	`but it's still a feature that I really really really want to add :)`
`11:11.58`	`romainguy`	`I already said that's something we also want to add`
`11:12.24`	`tauno`	`yes and thats nice to hear`
`11:13.17`	`tauno`	`I guess it's not a priority currently? any way I can help to speed this up?`
`11:13.35`	`romainguy`	`it's gonna happen whenever I can get time to work on this`
`11:13.54`	`romainguy`	`and you can always submit patches`
`11:14.11`	`romainguy`	`but to be honest, Home being a sensitive app, code reviews won't be easy ;-))`
`11:14.50`	`tauno`	`yes, I could.. but as it seems from every conversation that we have here, I'm doing/wanting to do EVERYTHING wrong.. always :P`
`11:15.07`	`romainguy`	`well from what you tell me you just write hacks upon hacks :)`
`11:15.15`	`tauno`	`indeed :P`
`11:15.45`	`romainguy`	`just wrote a couple of hacks :)`
`11:16.29`	`tauno`	`I'm cleaning up the code and removing hacks currently.. but some things are hacked too deep already :\|`
`11:18.16`	`romainguy`	`yeah, trying to remove a hack myself`
`11:18.19`	`romainguy`	`stupid animations`
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`11:19.24`	`jasta`	`mmmmmmmm, i just made a hamburger and let me tell you what: i did not realize quite how much i miss red meat :)`
`11:19.58`	`romainguy`	`why do you miss red meat?`
`11:20.14`	`tauno`	`..that reminds me.. lunch time`
`11:20.17`	`jasta`	`why do i miss it? because it's delicious. why do i not get it? because my gf can't eat it.`
`11:20.33`	`jasta`	`and because she can't eat it, i rarely get to as well hehe`
`11:20.45`	`romainguy`	`that's what I suspected :)`
`11:20.55`	`romainguy`	`that's one thing I would not do I have to say`
`11:21.20`	`jasta`	`well, i don't fight it too much because i know it's not good for me...`
`11:21.28`	`tauno`	`:)`
`11:21.30`	`romainguy`	`yes`
`11:21.32`	`romainguy`	`but it's meat :)`
`11:21.42`	`jasta`	`but every now and then a nice steak or a hamburger just tastes sooooo good :)`
`11:21.45`	`tauno`	`yeah, jasta, what's more important? :P`
`11:22.23`	`jasta`	`romainguy: my gf eats meat, basically just not pork, beef, and lamb.`
`11:22.35`	`tauno`	`ah..lamb..`
`11:22.38`	`romainguy`	`so rabbit? :)`
`11:22.52`	`romainguy`	`dang, I can't open source my app with these stupid hacks inside @!#`
`11:23.07`	`jasta`	`hehe, well it's not a philosophical choice. her body lacks some enzyme which breaks down a particular protein found in some types of meat`
`11:23.14`	`jasta`	`so, she gets horribly sick if she eats it`
`11:23.24`	`tauno`	`oh, that's sad :(`
`11:23.27`	`romainguy`	`reminds me of my gf`
`11:23.34`	`romainguy`	`she gets horribly sick if she eats/drink lactose`
`11:23.38`	`jasta`	`but she can eat chicken and fish`
`11:23.45`	`romainguy`	`yet she loves cheese and have cheese all the time :))`
`11:25.01`	`jasta`	`she actually didn't used to eat chicken because she said she just didn't like it. thankfully, i converted her on that one at least`
`11:25.26`	`jasta`	`i'm pretty handy with a grill, so i whipped up a few things and now she likes chicken :)`
`11:27.19`	`tauno`	`come on guys.. stop it.. it's winter here (so no grilling outside) and there are no shops/eating places where I could buy some meat around here.. and I'm hungry.`
`11:27.54`	`gambler`	`tauno that reminds me of The Office.`
`11:27.56`	`jasta`	`i was disappointed i missed my window to get a gyro actually. thats what i really wanted, but the place closes at 3am :)`
`11:27.58`	`gambler`	`Michael: "Who wants my man meat?" Dwight (excited): "I want your man meat Michael!!!"`
`11:28.19`	`tauno`	`:P`
`11:28.38`	`gambler`	`i love that show`
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`11:29.47`	`gambler`	`btw romainguy: if your brave enough you can buy your girlfriend some beano...that will sort out those lactose issues`
`11:30.05`	`jasta`	`buy it for her for christmas. she'll love that ;)`
`11:30.35`	`romainguy`	`@!#`
`11:30.37`	`romainguy`	`fucking animations`
`11:32.22`	`gambler`	`i just got 3 head working on Fedora 10. Im semi amazed it was as painless as it was`
`11:32.26`	`gambler`	`goodbye windows eclipse crashes`
`11:38.16`	`romainguy`	`@!#`
`11:38.18`	`romainguy`	`stupid drawable`
`11:40.23`	`tauno`	`ugh.. I guess I'd have to install some Linux beast so I can build/use Android from source?`
`11:40.31`	`romainguy`	`or OS X`
`11:41.24`	`tauno`	`:(`
`11:43.08`	`tauno`	`I'd really like to contribute to Android but I don't have time to installdebug Linux and don't want to buy an OSX licence just for that :(`
`11:43.17`	`tauno`	`whiney me again.. sry`
`11:43.53`	`jasta`	`fuck its late`
`11:43.58`	`romainguy`	`yeah`
`11:44.04`	`romainguy`	`and fuck these drawables too`
`11:45.01`	`IznastY`	`- [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ]`
`11:45.56`	`jasta`	`wow, thats pretty annoying`
`11:47.25`	`romainguy`	`my SuspiciousLoader class is getting scary ^^`
`11:49.39`	`tauno`	`it sounds also scary.. or.. suspicious`
`11:49.49`	`romainguy`	`it does do suspicious things`
`11:49.57`	`romainguy`	`since you love hacks, you'd appreciate that class :)`
`11:51.30`	`jasta`	`ok, i just realized i probably have another 30 minutes until i can start testing this code, which means it'll be at least another hour after that before it works. i should just cut my losses and go to bed :)`
`11:51.48`	`romainguy`	`that would be weak :)`
`11:52.08`	`jasta`	`i still have family crap to do tomorrow.`
`11:52.29`	`tauno`	`I don't actually love them - I'm trying to avoid them whenever possible but they still "happen" from time to time :P`
`11:52.30`	`jasta`	`hehe, now that i think about it, i forgot to find out when im supposed to be at my moms tomorrow. oh well, hopefully its not early :)`
`11:52.46`	`romainguy`	`I have 200 slides to write tomorrow`
`11:52.48`	`romainguy`	`<sigh>`
`11:52.56`	`tauno`	`romainguy, good luck with that`
`11:53.01`	`romainguy`	`yeah :)`
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`12:00.01`	`romainguy`	`tauno: if that can make you happy I identified a few APIs tonight that I should make public :)`
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`12:14.21`	`gambler`	`does anyone use the Fedora version of eclipse with android? Just wondering how you satisfied the WST (web tools) dependency.`
`12:14.31`	`gambler`	`It looks tighter than the eclipse.org version`
`12:18.27`	`romainguy`	`hmm git status doesn't respond for me either`
`12:18.36`	`romainguy`	`I wonder if the servers are under maintenance or just down`
`12:18.50`	`romainguy`	`hmm no`
`12:18.52`	`romainguy`	`repo sync works`
`12:20.54`	`tauno`	`romain, explain yourself :)`
`12:21.50`	`romainguy`	`tauno: ?`
`12:21.58`	`tauno`	`what APIs`
`12:22.03`	`romainguy`	`ah`
`12:22.10`	`romainguy`	`some drawables/animation stuff`
`12:22.17`	`romainguy`	`things you can do from XML but not from code`
`12:22.31`	`tauno`	`aha`
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`12:25.13`	`gambler`	`I just found the flaw in my plan`
`12:25.22`	`gambler`	`has anyone build the android SDK on x86_64?`
`12:25.26`	`romainguy`	`nope`
`12:25.49`	`gambler`	`so much for using my extra memory`
`12:25.59`	`gambler`	`romainguy, it wont build ?`
`12:26.14`	`romainguy`	`I meant, I'm not building it on x86_64 linux`
`12:26.22`	`romainguy`	`but I know it caused trouble to other devs`
`12:27.02`	`gambler`	`:( damn`
`12:40.37`	`tric`	`gambler: i did, on amd64 sid some weeks ago`
`12:40.47`	`tric`	`worked without any problem iirc`
`12:41.09`	`tric`	`but im only using the emu out of it, for dev im using the _r1`
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`12:56.41`	`blau`	`build the android sdk?`
`12:56.44`	`blau`	`did i miss something?`
`12:59.29`	`tric`	`seems so`
`13:01.53`	`blau`	`I need a good name for an app that lets you set away from phone stuff`
`13:02.06`	`blau`	`so you can auto respond via text message to txt's or phone calls`
`13:02.15`	`blau`	`or you can forward txt messages to another phone`
`13:02.26`	`tauno`	`AwayDroid? :P`
`13:03.01`	`tauno`	`romainguy, still there?`
`13:03.04`	`romainguy`	`yep`
`13:03.06`	`blau`	`i was thinking just Away`
`13:03.39`	`tauno`	`romainguy, are there plans for releasing some UI guidelines? :)`
`13:03.44`	`romainguy`	`yep`
`13:04.02`	`tauno`	`is there something more than jsut plans? :)`
`13:04.47`	`blau`	`lol`
`13:05.34`	`blau`	`romain: any opinion on whether the datepicker and timeicker should select all when the edittext views get focus?`
`13:05.49`	`romainguy`	`tauno: yes`
`13:06.20`	`romainguy`	`blau: I can see both being useful :)`
`13:06.20`	`tauno`	`romainguy, good to know, thanks`
`13:08.29`	`blau`	`thats the one pick thing in the ui that annoys me to no end`
`13:09.02`	`romainguy`	`if that's all that annoys you... :))`
`13:09.19`	`blau`	`s/pick/big/`
`13:09.46`	`blau`	`everything else that annoys me is tiny`
`13:09.46`	`tauno`	`(next time the android-discuss moderators are taking a break for a few days, they should just "allow all" till they come back :) )`
`13:09.46`	`blau`	`except for maybe the messaging performance`
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`13:09.54`	`romainguy`	`tauno: you complain a lot :)`
`13:10.04`	`tauno`	`romainguy, I do what I can do best`
`13:10.09`	`tauno`	`;)`
`13:10.12`	`romainguy`	`you should be friend with languish`
`13:10.35`	`tauno`	`I think we are brothers separated at birth`
`13:10.45`	`tauno`	`..or something like that`
`13:11.25`	`blau`	`lol`
`13:11.52`	`tauno`	`speaking of complaining - I want to anticomplain.. I really like the funky moves that the ListViews scrollbar makes.. this shouldn't be fixed :)`
`13:12.09`	`romainguy`	`too late`
`13:12.17`	`tauno`	`fixed already?`
`13:12.30`	`tauno`	`ah, sad :)`
`13:12.38`	`romainguy`	`it really looked basd`
`13:12.39`	`romainguy`	`-s`
`13:13.28`	`tauno`	`other than looks - it doesn't allow you to scroll up again when viewing details of some app in Market for example (using the trackball)`
`13:13.35`	`blau`	`tauno: like in the market?`
`13:13.48`	`romainguy`	`tauno: yeah, known bug`
`13:14.18`	`blau`	`<PROTECTED>`
`13:14.29`	`romainguy`	`well that's gone :)`
`13:14.41`	`tauno`	`but I think I'm going to actually miss this thingie.. I mean.. it always brings a smile to my face when I try to see how small or big I can make it (the scrollbar) :)`
`13:14.43`	`romainguy`	`it still weird, but less weird`
`13:14.43`	`blau`	`until i resubmit the change!`
`13:14.56`	`romainguy`	`blau: but I won't approve it :)`
`13:15.06`	`tauno`	`it's like a small minigame..`
`13:15.21`	`blau`	`where was the bug, in the actual scrollbar stuff`
`13:15.27`	`blau`	`or the way the listview was put together?`
`13:15.32`	`blau`	`could i easily reproduce it in my apps?`
`13:15.36`	`romainguy`	`it wasn't a bug`
`13:15.41`	`blau`	`oh`
`13:15.43`	`tauno`	`"it's a feature"`
`13:15.46`	`romainguy`	`no`
`13:15.50`	`tauno`	`:)`
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`13:15.57`	`romainguy`	`but it was working the way the code was designed to work`
`13:16.06`	`romainguy`	`it's just that Market uses ListView in a weird way`
`13:16.12`	`romainguy`	`with items of very different heights`
`13:16.17`	`romainguy`	`and that threw the scrollbar computations off`
`13:16.25`	`romainguy`	`so now in this case we do something different`
`13:16.35`	`romainguy`	`it's not pretty but much more "normal"`
`13:16.36`	`blau`	`do enough people actually have grandcentral invites that g1 central isnt getting horribl reviews?`
`13:18.30`	`tmzt`	`does the sim draw the BootAnimation at all?`
`13:18.49`	`romainguy`	`the SIM?`
`13:18.51`	`romainguy`	`no`
`13:19.03`	`tauno`	`oh, great, my app got its icon back! :)`
`13:19.18`	`romainguy`	`http://progx.org/users/Gfx/shelves_2.mp4 \o/`
`13:20.06`	`tmzt`	`romainguy: you do graphics but not kernel level/SurfaceFlinger? or not?`
`13:20.17`	`romainguy`	`no, I don't do low-level stuff`
`13:20.25`	`romainguy`	`(well sometimes when I really need to, but that's not my job normally)`
`13:20.36`	`tmzt`	`was any 0.8 git source released?`
`13:21.26`	`tmzt`	`this makes sense then, the only bootanimation code I can see in 1.0 uses GLES which apparently is not used on sim`
`13:21.43`	`romainguy`	`wait`
`13:21.48`	`romainguy`	`are you talking about the emulator or the simulator?`
`13:22.36`	`tmzt`	`I guess emulator (qemu), I thought it was called sim because of a comment in one of the files`
`13:22.44`	`romainguy`	`it's an emulator`
`13:22.47`	`romainguy`	`there's also a simulator`
`13:22.52`	`romainguy`	`and OpenGL ES works in the emulator`
`13:22.57`	`tmzt`	`which is compiled java for x86?`
`13:23.04`	`romainguy`	`and the boot animation shows up for me in the emulator`
`13:23.09`	`tmzt`	`(simulator)`
`13:23.14`	`tauno`	`romainguy, whats the difference?`
`13:23.18`	`romainguy`	`the simulator doesn't emulate the CPU`
`13:23.24`	`romainguy`	`it just runs Android straight on x86`
`13:23.27`	`romainguy`	`it's a LOT faster`
`13:23.32`	`romainguy`	`works only on Linux`
`13:23.42`	`tauno`	`oh ok, that's why I haven't seen it I guess :)`
`13:23.53`	`romainguy`	`and it's discouraged to use it anyway`
`13:24.43`	`blau`	`any idea if telephonyManager.listen(new PhoneCallListener(context), PhoneStateListener.LISTEN_CALL_STATE); can dissapear?`
`13:25.32`	`romainguy`	`is it a documented public API?`
`13:25.55`	`blau`	`yes, but i mean like can my listener be unregistered?`
`13:26.01`	`blau`	`the apidocs dont seen to say`
`13:26.11`	`romainguy`	`not if you don't remove it`
`13:26.25`	`blau`	`ok`
`13:27.00`	`blau`	`and i cant figure out how to remove it or get a list of registered listeners`
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`13:32.46`	`gambler`	`tric, cool im gonna start building it now`
`13:32.46`	`romainguy`	`blau: it's explained in the documentation`
`13:32.48`	`romainguy`	`"To unregister a listener, pass the listener object and set the events argument to LISTEN_NONE (0)."`
`13:34.29`	`blau`	`romain: im an idiot`
`13:34.36`	`blau`	`i even read that at some point`
`13:34.44`	`blau`	`and it didnt click`
`13:34.51`	`blau`	`or i asked it before and got the same answer`
`13:35.12`	`blau`	`wait... even better, i implemented it and didnt remember`
`13:35.16`	`blau`	`:(`
`13:36.41`	`tric`	`is it possible for an activity to switch the internet connection from lets say umts to wlan?`
`13:36.56`	`blau`	`some mornings i should be allowed to touch a computer`
`13:36.59`	`blau`	`shouldnt`
`13:37.00`	`romainguy`	`an application can turn on wifi`
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`13:37.54`	`tauno`	`romainguy, you have some idea why Phones.NUMBER_KEY returns the number in reverse? (eg basically the same as Phones.NUMBER but reversed)?`
`13:38.03`	`romainguy`	`yes`
`13:38.09`	`romainguy`	`that's used to do phone number matching`
`13:38.42`	`romainguy`	`so that it doesn't matter whether your phone number is stored/received as +1-555-123-4444 or (555) 123-4444`
`13:38.44`	`romainguy`	`etc.`
`13:38.57`	`romainguy`	`if you do the matching in reverse, it's easier, faster and more accurate :)`
`13:39.14`	`blau`	`oooh you google guys are so smart`
`13:39.35`	`tauno`	`romainguy, ok, that explains it :)`
`13:39.48`	`romainguy`	`in the application I just showed a video of, I do something similar`
`13:39.50`	`blau`	`does android.intent.action.SCREEN_ON actually work, cause i cant seem to receive anything after turning the screen on`
`13:39.55`	`blau`	`but i may just be doing something wrong`
`13:39.57`	`romainguy`	`my database contains a column called sort_title`
`13:40.02`	`romainguy`	`it's the same as the title column`
`13:40.04`	`tric`	`romainguy: oh ok, and when wifi turned on android will actually use it?`
`13:40.19`	`romainguy`	`except it's all lower case and it removes "a", "the", "an", etc. at the beginning`
`13:40.25`	`romainguy`	`tric: well yes`
`13:40.25`	`tauno`	`romainguy, that was your app that you showed?`
`13:40.31`	`romainguy`	`yes`
`13:40.32`	`tauno`	`romainguy, looked nice :)`
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`13:41.55`	`blau`	`you guys from the united states?`
`13:42.08`	`tauno`	`blau, nope`
`13:42.10`	`romainguy`	`I'm from France but I live in the US`
`13:42.24`	`blau`	`romain, do any shopping this morning?`
`13:42.33`	`romainguy`	`well it's 6am`
`13:42.37`	`romainguy`	`and I have yet to go to bed`
`13:42.39`	`romainguy`	`so no :)`
`13:42.58`	`blau`	`romain, but youll miss all the sales!`
`13:43.00`	`blau`	`lol`
`13:43.04`	`romainguy`	`so?`
`13:43.14`	`tauno`	`romainguy, feature request - make the title of the book autoscrolling when it's selected (not actually scrolling but moving from beginning to end and then resetting back to beginning for x-seconds and then start scrolling again) ;)`
`13:43.15`	`romainguy`	`I'm actually scared of tomorrow`
`13:43.18`	`romainguy`	`I live downtown SF`
`13:43.28`	`romainguy`	`I wonder if I'll even be able to open the door of my building`
`13:43.28`	`eugene`	`blau: where are you from :)`
`13:43.38`	`blau`	`im from new jersey`
`13:43.43`	`eugene`	`ah`
`13:43.43`	`blau`	`in the united states`
`13:43.47`	`offby1`	`blau: which exit?`
`13:43.49`	`offby1`	`slaps thigh`
`13:43.49`	`romainguy`	`tauno: that's coming in the next RC update`
`13:43.55`	`blau`	`i work 105, live 127`
`13:44.04`	`offby1`	`ooh, I wasn't prepared for an actual answer :)`
`13:44.06`	`tauno`	`romainguy, ?`
`13:44.09`	`blau`	`lol`
`13:44.17`	`eugene`	`blau: I live in Singapore`
`13:44.18`	`romainguy`	`tauno: the next Android update adds this feature to TextView`
`13:44.26`	`offby1`	`<-- Plainfield/Westfield as of many years ago`
`13:44.33`	`romainguy`	`tauno: so when this feature is public, my app will use it :)`
`13:44.45`	`tauno`	`romainguy, so.. my current custom implementation is all for nothing again :P`
`13:44.49`	`romainguy`	`yep`
`13:44.53`	`blau`	`cool, im living in north plainfield now`
`13:44.54`	`tauno`	`argh :P`
`13:45.54`	`blau`	`i ordered a crapload of dvds and blu rays from amazon`
`13:46.05`	`blau`	`and went to staples this mornign for a bunch of memory cards/sticks/flash drives`
`13:46.10`	`offby1`	`"Route 22" ... "Watchung Mountains"`
`13:46.21`	`offby1`	`"Two Guys from Harrison"`
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`13:51.30`	`blau`	`im right off rt22 basically`
`13:51.39`	`blau`	`the soda machine just gave me 2 sodas again`
`13:51.42`	`blau`	`its my lucky day!`
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`13:54.04`	`tauno`	`btw.. after all this meat talk.. I ate some lamb meat for lunch (had do walk a little but in the end it payed off big time) (:`
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`13:54.22`	`blau`	`i want pizza`
`13:54.49`	`aanishn`	`hi all, has anyone tried using USB mouse with android ?`
`13:56.49`	`tauno`	`..lamb shashlik (or whatever it's called in english)`
`13:57.09`	`eugene`	`blau: i had pizza :D`
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`13:57.54`	`languish`	`tauno "lamb kebobs"`
`13:58.10`	`languish`	`or lamb on a skewer`
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`13:59.11`	`blau`	`i love google`
`13:59.15`	`blau`	`hugs google`
`13:59.17`	`tmzt`	`aanishn: bluetooth might be closer on rc29 and modified rc30`
`13:59.27`	`tauno`	`languish, kebab's a little different but something similar, yes`
`14:00.00`	`tauno`	`let me tell you, it tasted really freat :P`
`14:00.05`	`tauno`	`great*`
`14:01.57`	`aanishn`	`tmzt, bluetooth ??`
`14:02.10`	`tmzt`	`aanishn: bluetooth mouse I mean`
`14:02.11`	`gambler`	`tric, how did you get by prebuilt/`
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`14:06.34`	`gambler`	`yeesh its never easy`
`14:21.44`	`blau`	`when i send an sms from my emulator`
`14:22.03`	`blau`	`how can i verify that`
`14:22.17`	`offby1`	`you're drinking soda at 9:00 am?`
`14:22.20`	`offby1`	`clucks`
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`14:23.37`	`blau`	`yeah lol`
`14:28.51`	`tmzt`	`romainguy: is MSMFB_BLIT needed after writing directly to the framebuffer?`
`14:28.59`	`romainguy`	`no idea`
`14:29.12`	`romainguy`	`besides, it's not supported :))`
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`14:29.22`	`tmzt`	`not on g1`
`14:29.41`	`romainguy`	`not on Android :)`
`14:33.07`	`jbq`	`waves at romainguy`
`14:33.11`	`romainguy`	`yo`
`14:33.15`	`romainguy`	`jbq: waking up?`
`14:33.17`	`romainguy`	`or going to bed?`
`14:33.23`	`jbq`	`waking up`
`14:33.32`	`offby1`	`grunts at jbq, and pours coffee`
`14:33.41`	`romainguy`	`jbq: mathias and I are about to go to bed`
`14:33.46`	`romainguy`	`(separately :)`
`14:33.47`	`jbq`	`lol`
`14:33.55`	`eugene`	`heh`
`14:34.00`	`jbq`	`I'm wondering whether to go ski today.`
`14:34.25`	`offby1`	`decisions, decisions`
`14:34.27`	`romainguy`	`if you go I'll be very jealous`
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`14:34.32`	`romainguy`	`and I'll have to make you pay on Monday :)`
`14:34.37`	`offby1`	`I won't, as long as he doesn't tell us how nice it was`
`14:35.18`	`jbq`	`It's unlikely to be nice. which is why I'm not sure. Boreal on 8" of artificial snow isn't that compelling.`
`14:38.19`	`blau`	`bought 4 8 gig sandisk drives today`
`14:38.20`	`blau`	`lol`
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`14:43.11`	`offby1`	`blau: I have one on my Amazon "wish list".`
`14:43.21`	`offby1`	`The 16 gig ones cost way more than twice as much, which is odd.`
`14:44.06`	`blau`	`12.99 each! after rebate`
`14:44.18`	`offby1`	`yikes! where'd you get 'em?`
`14:44.21`	`blau`	`staples`
`14:44.24`	`blau`	`early morning sale`
`14:44.24`	`offby1`	`huh`
`14:44.27`	`offby1`	`aw`
`14:44.54`	`blau`	`they are only on sale till 10am`
`14:45.02`	`offby1`	`and 3,000 miles away.`
`14:45.16`	`blau`	`you can make it`
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`14:46.16`	`tauno`	`send one this way too then`
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`14:46.35`	`blau`	`got a few 4 gig micro sdhcs`
`14:46.37`	`blau`	`for $10`
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`14:50.49`	`tauno`	`I'm spending my $10 on this (gf is dragging me there): http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0944101/`
`14:51.45`	`blau`	`im trying to drag my gf to see transporter 3`
`14:53.19`	`blau`	`its possible to send txt messages hwile on a phone call right`
`14:53.34`	`gambler`	`Philistine`
`14:53.45`	`gambler`	`...I didnt even know they made a transporter 2`
`14:54.49`	`blau`	`transporter 2 was worse than 1 but more enjoyable`
`14:55.28`	`gambler`	`I havent seen anything good from that actor since LS2SB`
`14:55.55`	`tauno`	`huh.. just printed out my cinema tickets and noticed that they are putting ads there also :( damn ads everywhere`
`14:56.28`	`tauno`	`..that's a google channel, sry.. I wanted to say that I love ads :>`
`14:57.24`	`blau`	`jason statham is awesome`
`14:57.31`	`blau`	`Crank was a cinematic masterpiece`
`14:58.55`	`cutmasta`	`dito`
`14:58.57`	`cutmasta`	`:)`
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`15:00.41`	`blau`	`ne1 use trillian for irc?`
`15:00.45`	`gambler`	`ill check it ou - i just hope it has a storyline`
`15:01.11`	`gambler`	`so much stuff out of hollywood nowadays is just a bunch of events in sequence and random chase scenes`
`15:01.11`	`blau`	`oh, maybe you should skip it then`
`15:01.21`	`gambler`	`lol`
`15:01.38`	`gambler`	`well i hope the fighting is good`
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`15:42.56`	`Disconnect`	`JesusFreke: i forgot a file :( redoing the zip now`
`15:45.01`	`IznastY`	`- [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ]`
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`16:26.18`	`Disconnect`	`i guess i should get off my butt and flash JesusFreke's newer rc30`
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`16:37.00`	`blau`	`woop`
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`16:55.17`	`blau`	`my amazon balance is 0 :(`
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`17:08.48`	`blau`	`hi`
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`17:12.31`	`mikey\|`	`hello all, anyone know what happened to the Spare Parts app?`
`17:13.37`	`blau`	`havent heard of it`
`17:14.36`	`mikey\|`	`it was apparently an app made by the Andoid team which added extra options to the system`
`17:17.26`	`Disconnect`	`there's aSettings that just came out`
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`17:28.58`	`mikey\|`	`aSettings looks very useful`
`17:30.19`	`Disconnect`	`cooool bt pan w/ dhcp is working for me.`
`17:30.29`	`blau`	`why would anyone use asettings for ringmode?`
`17:30.40`	`Disconnect`	`(99% working, just need to figure out why it didn't push a gateway)`
`17:30.54`	`blau`	`and is asettings opensource?`
`17:31.15`	`mikey\|`	`i got mine exchanged today cos of the squeaky screen issue`
`17:31.43`	`mikey\|`	`t mob only took the phone and let me keep the battery and all accessories and they gave another box with the same accessories`
`17:31.48`	`mikey\|`	`2 batteries now \o/`
`17:32.59`	`blau`	`coo`
`17:36.12`	`Disconnect`	`anyone familiar with repo?`
`17:36.38`	`Disconnect`	`(or git) .. i have some submitted changes. i want to make standard diffs of everything that isn't accepted upstream.`
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`17:37.11`	`Disconnect`	`(the changes in garrett plus the edits I just made)`
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`17:42.25`	`blau`	`grrr cant send sms while on call?`
`17:47.00`	`blau`	`is there a way to send a txt message through the messaging program? or make a message show up in a conversation?`
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`17:50.41`	`mikey\|`	`hmm..the email app crashed on me while downloading a 500kb .gz file`
`17:52.45`	`blau`	`pwned`
`17:53.24`	`Disconnect`	`anyone here worked with git/repo?`
`17:53.48`	`Disconnect`	`trying to get a udiff of all changes in my branch against the master upstream (some submitted already, some not)`
`17:54.44`	`mikey\|`	`the Camera code has stuff for Video recording, but it's not implemented it seems :(`
`17:55.53`	`Disconnect`	`the camera can barely take a picture in 5 seconds..`
`17:56.03`	`blau`	`lol`
`17:56.05`	`blau`	`stop motion!`
`17:56.35`	`Disconnect`	`its real -real- old school. "everyone sit still for 15 seconds while I load the tintype!"`
`17:56.52`	`offby1`	`sits still`
`17:57.01`	`offby1`	`Disconnect: yeah, tell me about it`
`17:57.01`	`Disconnect`	`damn. you breatehd.`
`17:57.35`	`offby1`	`plus, half the time when I start the "camera" app, it's actually still running, and displaying existing pictures; I haven't figured out how to get it to go from "display existing pictures" mode to "I wanna take a picture NOW, damnit" mode.`
`17:57.36`	`Disconnect`	`if it wasn't for the holiday, google employees would be jumping up and down insisting that we stop bitching and submit patches.`
`17:57.52`	`offby1`	`do they do that? I haven't heard that sentiment here`
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`17:58.02`	`ttuttle`	`jumps up and down and insists that you stop bitching and submit patches.`
`17:58.06`	`ttuttle`	`(/me was an intern.)`
`17:58.08`	`offby1`	`ttuttle: duly noted.`
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`17:58.20`	`Disconnect`	`not as much now that it's been repeatedly explained that its a bullshit answer :)`
`17:58.32`	`ttuttle`	`They're working on that.`
`17:58.34`	`offby1`	`actually the one bit I'd most like to fix, I can't, because a) it's not open source; and b) it's a kernel driver, and I don't know squat about the kernel`
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`17:59.10`	`ttuttle`	`offby1: Oh, what is it?`
`17:59.22`	`Disconnect`	`yeppers. and even if it was, c) you can't put it on actual hardware`
`17:59.27`	`offby1`	`kernel panic when I'm talking on the phone`
`17:59.41`	`ttuttle`	`Ouch.`
`17:59.44`	`ttuttle`	`Never had that happen myself.`
`17:59.47`	`Disconnect`	`offby1: might be hw. whats logcat say?`
`17:59.51`	`offby1`	`I've nagged jbq about it, and he's forwarded my logs to kernel folks`
`17:59.55`	`Disconnect`	`kewl`
`18:00.01`	`mikey\|`	`ViewVideo.java :o`
`18:00.05`	`offby1`	`... from whom I haven't yet heard back, but ...`
`18:00.20`	`offby1`	`presumably they'll get to it when they get to it.`
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`18:00.45`	`mikey\|`	`hmm...shouldnt the g1 wake from sleep if gets a text message?`
`18:00.54`	`ttuttle`	`mikey\|: probably.`
`18:01.00`	`mikey\|`	`it didnt for me`
`18:01.15`	`mikey\|`	`got a text at 5:44pm, woke up my phone at 5:59`
`18:01.22`	`mikey\|`	`and it made the alert sound`
`18:01.54`	`ttuttle`	`mikey\|: how do you know you got the text at 5:44? maybe it got stuck in the tubes?`
`18:02.06`	`Disconnect`	`if they want to make it open (even without root) they should see about including jf's cramfs utilities images. super useful :) and it doesn't change the size (or ro-ness) of /system, so no user-visible changes needed.`
`18:02.07`	`mikey\|`	`it says so on the notification bar`
`18:02.09`	`offby1`	`them tubes clog a lot, y'know`
`18:02.22`	`ttuttle`	`mikey\|: hmm`
`18:02.23`	`mikey\|`	`it's only a text message, not an email`
`18:03.09`	`mikey\|`	`goes off to spam himself from cbfsms.com`
`18:03.09`	`Disconnect`	`weird. mine always kicks off on time (or at least, i've never gotten a notification and seen it was late. missed a couple of notifications but that could just as easily be the super-super-weak vibration)`
`18:03.19`	`ttuttle`	`doesn't get text messages, ever.`
`18:03.30`	`ttuttle`	`(/me had AT&T shut them off, as AT&T now charges $0.20 per message.)`
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`18:03.35`	`blau`	`disc: my app lets you set a cusotm smsm vibration`
`18:03.45`	`blau`	`custom sms`
`18:03.47`	`Disconnect`	`can it be stronger?`
`18:04.00`	`blau`	`no, but it can be longer, so you are much more likely to notice it`
`18:04.07`	`mikey\|`	`which app?`
`18:04.10`	`blau`	`i have mine as a little jingle`
`18:04.11`	`blau`	`dgAlert`
`18:04.22`	`blau`	`one of the users posted a custom string, that is really cool, long but cool`
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`18:04.51`	`mikey\|`	`hmm..that alert tone is really weak and short, need a better tone for it`
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`18:05.22`	`blau`	`with my app you can make it vibrate for a minute if you desire`
`18:05.24`	`mikey\|`	`i prolly missed the alert (music on laptop), but the screen didnt turn on so i didnt notice`
`18:05.32`	`mikey\|`	`blau: is it on app store?`
`18:05.36`	`blau`	`mikey, yes`
`18:05.41`	`ttuttle`	`%s/app store/market/g`
`18:05.49`	`blau`	`it lets you enable turning the screen on when you get a sms too`
`18:05.54`	`mikey\|`	`yeah, market, my bad`
`18:06.03`	`Disconnect`	`why does dgalert want internet access?`
`18:06.16`	`blau`	`disc: version checking, blame google for that`
`18:06.22`	`blau`	`you are the first person to ever ask`
`18:06.26`	`blau`	`you can have a cookie`
`18:06.33`	`mikey\|`	`for stealin' your internets`
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`18:06.51`	`blau`	`i really thought people would care about the permissions`
`18:06.55`	`blau`	`but it seems it doesnt matter`
`18:07.05`	`Disconnect`	`some do, they just don't ask :)`
`18:07.10`	`tric`	`ah, finally good or at least decent voip quality out of android/emulator`
`18:07.59`	`mikey\|`	`blau: you used xml preferences for this right?`
`18:08.05`	`blau`	`yes`
`18:08.14`	`blau`	`why do you ask?`
`18:08.20`	`mikey\|`	`are the options auto-commit()ed?`
`18:08.29`	`mikey\|`	`to the prefs file`
`18:08.39`	`blau`	`like the moment you click something?`
`18:08.42`	`mikey\|`	`yeah`
`18:08.55`	`mikey\|`	`i dont recall seeing any commit code in the apps i've seen`
`18:09.00`	`blau`	`ill check`
`18:09.08`	`blau`	`yes`
`18:09.19`	`blau`	`as soon as you change something, they commit`
`18:09.33`	`mikey\|`	`ah, ok`
`18:10.15`	`blau`	`almost got my away from phone app working %100!`
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`18:11.55`	`blau`	`weird`
`18:11.59`	`blau`	`my apostrophe dissapears`
`18:12.06`	`blau`	`in a dialog box`
`18:12.09`	`mikey\|`	`excellent stuff blau, the app works very nicely`
`18:12.14`	`blau`	`thanks mikey`
`18:12.46`	`blau`	`using alertdialog.builder and .setmessage, any apostrophes seem to dissapear`
`18:15.18`	`mikey\|`	`this weeks gadget show looks good, they try to get an apple fan to convert to the g1`
`18:15.32`	`blau`	`cool`
`18:16.03`	`Disconnect`	`wow more bad publicity for the g1. sweet.`
`18:16.21`	`blau`	`mikey: if you wind up really liking dgAlert, would you be really nice and set a short email to HelpMeGetAGoogJob@gmail.com saying how great I am and that I would be a great asset as a software engineer to google`
`18:16.31`	`Disconnect`	`lol`
`18:17.42`	`mikey\|`	`lol`
`18:18.58`	`blau`	`:)`
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`18:20.13`	`mikey\|`	`bbl, gadget show time`
`18:21.53`	`blau`	`anyone got some good uses for thumb drives`
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`18:24.02`	`Damm`	`raid?`
`18:25.09`	`KNY`	`DSL/Puppy?`
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`18:25.57`	`ivantis2`	`i think i might be getting a G1 phone!`
`18:26.02`	`blau`	`congrats`
`18:26.08`	`ivantis2`	`is it by AT&T right?`
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`18:27.42`	`ivantis2`	`er, T-Mobile`
`18:27.52`	`blau`	`tmobile yes`
`18:28.03`	`ivantis2`	`wow, #android talked the most on 11-12`
`18:28.11`	`ivantis2`	`392K`
`18:28.18`	`ivantis2`	`in my logs`
`18:28.45`	`ivantis2`	`from the last 26 days`
`18:29.08`	`ivantis2`	`http://android.irclogs.space-lab.us/stats/`
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`18:31.33`	`ivantis2`	`the biggest thing about android i like is its open source, and i can write applications for it :)`
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`18:40.40`	`Disconnect`	`you can write apps for iphone, s60, palm, wm...`
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`18:40.48`	`Disconnect`	`blackberry.`
`18:42.02`	`KNY`	`ivantis2, wtf, I'm not even top 10. I gotta step it up`
`18:42.45`	`ivantis2`	`did you hear that that statement said "and"? it is open source, as well as i can write apps for it. both of those are true, but on other phones not open source`
`18:43.00`	`synalx`	`most other phones cost the developer money to write apps for`
`18:43.07`	`synalx`	`and they don't have such good simulators`
`18:43.36`	`ivantis2`	`((openSource(android)) && (iCanWriteAppsFor(android))) is true`
`18:43.38`	`TiberiumX`	`The emulator does make development a breeze. I really only load stuff onto the phone when I want to make sure I'm not making something too small to see on its screen.`
`18:43.59`	`ivantis2`	`i tried using the emulator for a test app i wrote, and it didnt work`
`18:44.04`	`ivantis2`	`ubuntu 8.04`
`18:44.12`	`TiberiumX`	`The emulator didn't start?`
`18:44.18`	`ivantis2`	`no`
`18:44.25`	`ivantis2`	`the emulator started`
`18:44.31`	`ivantis2`	`but how do i load an app into it?`
`18:44.37`	`TiberiumX`	`With adb.`
`18:44.41`	`ivantis2`	`adb?`
`18:44.45`	`TiberiumX`	`adb install <path to package>`
`18:44.49`	`ivantis2`	`ah`
`18:44.59`	`ivantis2`	`well, too bad i threw it away`
`18:45.10`	`ivantis2`	`er, rm -r'ed it`
`18:46.13`	`ivantis2`	`KNY, im not even on there for anything. i barely ever talk here`
`18:46.29`	`ivantis2`	`im more of a #perl person`
`18:46.30`	`KNY`	`I've never noticed you before, haha`
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`18:46.46`	`ivantis2`	`well, ive been here 26 days keeping logs`
`18:46.49`	`ivantis2`	`as ivantis`
`18:46.56`	`KNY`	`ah`
`18:47.24`	`ivantis2`	`http:irclogs.space-lab.us`
`18:47.29`	`ivantis2`	`oops`
`18:47.32`	`ivantis2`	`add //`
`18:47.42`	`ivantis2`	`i keep logs of a couple other places`
`18:48.19`	`ivantis2`	`aw, im not in the C++ stats either`
`18:48.28`	`TiberiumX`	`If I wanted to do something every time my phone was plugged into a charger, am I correct in thinking that I would have to register for the BOOT_COMPLETED intent and then start a service to listen for ACTION_BATTERY_CHANGED?`
`18:51.55`	`offby1`	`A couple of times I've placed a call by dialing with the dialer, and the screen changes to say "Call In Progress" ... but I don't hear anything. (Other calls work fine). What could be wrong?`
`18:53.14`	`TiberiumX`	`Have you had anything plugged into the USB port while that happened?`
`18:53.19`	`ivantis2`	`does android yet have an IRC client?`
`18:53.19`	`offby1`	`ah, perhaps`
`18:53.31`	`offby1`	`TiberiumX: I do have the USB plugged in. Lemme try without`
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`18:53.37`	`KNY`	`ivantis, there are several in the workds`
`18:53.38`	`KNY`	`works*`
`18:53.42`	`KNY`	`nothing released yet, afaik`
`18:53.45`	`TiberiumX`	`If something is connected to its audio pins, it redirects to there.`
`18:53.58`	`ivantis2`	`can android run perl?`
`18:53.59`	`d0nets`	`http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820134821&cm_sp=DailyDeal-_-20-134-821-_-Product`
`18:54.08`	`ivantis2`	`i wrote an IRC client in perl once`
`18:54.10`	`d0nets`	`8 gb micro sdhc cards for 17.99`
`18:54.12`	`ivantis2`	`and an irc robot`
`18:54.20`	`KNY`	`ivantis, not without root it can't`
`18:54.46`	`ivantis2`	`without root?`
`18:54.48`	`ivantis2`	`how lame`
`18:54.50`	`TiberiumX`	`I saw a native hello world out there that didn't require root, so maybe you could run perl.`
`18:55.04`	`ivantis2`	`well, perl is the best`
`18:55.07`	`TiberiumX`	`Not sure how you'd go about interfacing it with the androig GUI.`
`18:55.15`	`KNY`	`TiberiumX, yeah, you can package native code in your .apks but it's not supported at all`
`18:55.19`	`Disconnect`	`anyone understand repo? I need to "start over" and gerrit my local branch up`
`18:55.23`	`offby1`	`TiberiumX: disconnecting the USB cord made only this difference: when the call ends, I hear a little beep. Other than that, though, it's still not working :-\|`
`18:55.30`	`offby1`	`it's weird, since I've made -some- calls that work fine.`
`18:55.34`	`ivantis2`	`maybe it has some good modules for android's GUI`
`18:55.41`	`ivantis2`	`similar to Tk or Qt`
`18:55.56`	`KNY`	`the UI is Java`
`18:56.01`	`KNY`	`learn to love it`
`18:56.55`	`TiberiumX`	`offby1: Dunno then. I just had the experience a few times of having been listening to music on it while charging with a Y adapter, and then aswering a call and dealing with a bit of confusion while neither of us could hear the other.`
`18:56.56`	`ivantis2`	`cool!`
`18:57.06`	`ivantis2`	`there are already android-app jobs on elance`
`18:57.08`	`TiberiumX`	`Never had any other audio problems.`
`18:57.19`	`TiberiumX`	`Is call volume separate from other volume controls maybe?`
`18:57.25`	`ivantis2`	`http://www.elance.com/c/rfp/main/rfpBid.pl?jobid=15742069`
`18:57.29`	`offby1`	`well, the call volume says it's at maximum`
`18:57.44`	`offby1`	`time to see if T-mobile's support sucks as badly as every other large organization's :-\|`
`18:58.39`	`KNY`	`yeah, unless you can dupe the problem on the spot with their support, they won't do squat`
`18:58.50`	`KNY`	`("they" being t-mobile)`
`18:59.33`	`ivantis2`	`thats how a lot of big companies are with open source stuff`
`18:59.41`	`ivantis2`	`they get pissed if you modified it`
`18:59.45`	`mikey\|`	`does the maps app not support zooming in by double tap?`
`18:59.59`	`KNY`	`ivantis, what does that have to do with t-mobile's support on a stock device?`
`19:00.18`	`TiberiumX`	`Maps app seems to be generally gimped in a lot of areas...`
`19:00.41`	`KNY`	`yeah, Maps is definitely way weaker than maps.google.com`
`19:00.47`	`ivantis2`	`is anyone else here registered on elance?`
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`19:03.04`	`benley`	offby1`: tmobile's phone support has been somewhat less terrible than other telcos in my experience
`19:06.39`	`mikey\|`	`wow, compass is cool :D`
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`19:11.33`	`jasta`	`yawn`
`19:14.49`	`Disconnect`	`jasta: you worked with repo much?`
`19:14.56`	offby1`	`ok, 15 minutes later, t-mobile's support says: reboot the phone :-\|`
`19:15.01`	offby1`	`I confess that _did_ work, but ... geez`
`19:15.10`	`Disconnect`	`shoulda started there`
`19:15.14`	`jasta`	`Disconnect: not really, no`
`19:15.18`	`Disconnect`	`damn`
`19:15.44`	`Disconnect`	`needs to do something that should be simple - resubmit all the changes from a local branch`
`19:15.46`	`jasta`	`offby1: what did you expect? those supports dummies dont know anything`
`19:16.11`	`jasta`	`Disconnect: git commit --ammend and repo upload?`
`19:16.37`	`Disconnect`	`repo upload won't resubmit patches just the new ones since the last upload :(`
`19:17.22`	`jasta`	`are you trying to just revise a previous submission? this case is documented as one of the FAQ entries on using repo and git, linked to from source.android.com`
`19:17.30`	`jasta`	`and they tell you to use git commit --ammend and repo upload`
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`19:18.24`	`offby1`	`jasta: I know, but I'm ever optimistic :-\|`
`19:19.33`	`jasta`	`offby1: i dont know why you would be. those support guys are no different than plucking some random schmuck off the street and asking him to fix your G1`
`19:19.47`	`offby1`	`yeah, I know`
`19:19.50`	`offby1`	`:-\|`
`19:19.52`	`jasta`	`they have no training and not technical background.`
`19:20.02`	`offby1`	`and don't speak English clearly :-\|`
`19:20.03`	`jasta`	`what help they can give is by sheer luck`
`19:22.00`	`Disconnect`	`was reading 'using repo and git' and such, not the faq :) checking it now`
`19:22.22`	`Disconnect`	`ok maybe thats cuz the faq isn't linked from the main contributing or using pages :)`
`19:22.27`	`Disconnect`	`er, :/`
`19:22.38`	`jasta`	`i meant "using repo and git"`
`19:24.06`	`jasta`	`though i was wrong, look here:`
`19:24.10`	`jasta`	`http://source.android.com/submit-patches`
`19:26.01`	`Disconnect`	`yah its being a royal pita. i think i'm gonna pitch out the local branch and start over - faster`
`19:27.25`	`Disconnect`	`it assumes you didn't delete the changesets in garrit :/ which i won't do again, but..`
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`19:48.08`	`offby1`	`hmm, if I were lucky, the spontaneous reboots would come at just the right time to fix the missing-sound problem!`
`19:48.12`	`offby1`	`that'd be like SO cool.`
`19:48.13`	`offby1`	`Not.`
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`20:38.04`	`Disconnect`	`wow. have you licked your g1 today? http://feeds.macosxhints.com/click.phdo?i=ea92a3c10035ec16c85d21d5c30bc05c (or any other capacitive ts.. they reference iphone of course)`
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`20:42.28`	`offby1`	`ooh, special gloves.`
`20:42.29`	`offby1`	`Sure.`
`20:42.34`	`KNY`	`Disconnect, why wouldn't they just use their nose?`
`20:42.42`	`KNY`	`(if anything)`
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`20:43.33`	`offby1`	`I want a phone that reads my facial expression, and acts accordingly.`
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`20:44.37`	`KNY`	`offby1, well, you've got a G1 and an SDK; get to work`
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`20:51.45`	`offby1`	`:-\|`
`20:51.49`	`offby1`	`but I'm laaaaazy`
`20:51.54`	`offby1`	`plus the camera's on the back.`
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`21:20.54`	`chanwitk`	`hello`
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`21:27.46`	`ttuttle`	`chanwitk: hi`
`21:28.07`	`chanwitk`	`hello ttuttle`
`21:28.39`	`chanwitk`	`i'm looking the way to change G1 screen with logo.rle in the boot.img`
`21:28.45`	`chanwitk`	`anyone knows the trick ?`
`21:29.23`	`ttuttle`	`chanwitk: there's a program called to565 that converts a raw 8-bit RGB bitmap to the right format.`
`21:31.07`	`chanwitk`	`tuttle: right, i've heard about it. someone in xda-dev said that replacing logo.rle did not work.`
`21:31.29`	`Disconnect`	`which piece are you trying to replace? the android or the "G1"?`
`21:31.57`	`chanwitk`	`the black and white G1.`
`21:32.16`	`Disconnect`	`afaik that is part of the bootloader. unreachable from linux.`
`21:34.54`	`fnord_`	`logo.rle, no?`
`21:35.11`	`Disconnect`	`isn't logo.rle the color android?`
`21:35.27`	`fnord_`	`.rle doesn't contain animatiion bits afaik`
`21:36.03`	`mikey\|`	`well, this is getting plain annoying now`
`21:36.16`	`mikey\|`	`been trying to drain this battery for ages, wifi, bluetooth, gps`
`21:36.20`	`mikey\|`	`all on`
`21:36.38`	`mikey\|`	`says something good about htc but i want to drain and recharge it to 100%`
`21:37.09`	`fnord_`	`mikey\|, my new battery stays at 'empty' for a long time`
`21:37.20`	`fnord_`	`i'm guessing due to training`
`21:37.37`	`fnord_`	`i hope the 2200mah extended comes out soon`
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`21:39.27`	`KNY`	`is it possible to have Spinners in a ListView? (with Spinners having a different ListAdapter)`
`21:40.07`	`mikey\|`	`"also will it damage the battery just to lick give it a bit of a boost so it dont die during the day"`
`21:40.10`	`mikey\|`	`wait...what?`
`21:40.40`	`unix_infidel`	`mikey\|: heh, i think he means the contact points for the battery.`
`21:40.51`	`unix_infidel`	`to clear off gunk and such to increase conductivity.`
`21:40.57`	`mikey\|`	`oh`
`21:41.17`	`Delvien`	`fnord what comes with the G1? 1200mah?`
`21:42.30`	`fnord_`	`something like that yeah`
`21:42.50`	`fnord_`	`ok time for work. poof`
`21:43.52`	`KNY`	`1150mah`
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`21:44.05`	`mikey\|`	`what android package can be used to read battery info?`
`21:44.37`	`Delvien`	`kny ouch, isnt that a bit low?`
`21:44.52`	`chanwitk1`	`fnord_: logo.rle is b & w with "T-Mobile G1" word.`
`21:46.43`	`KNY`	`Delvien, yeah, it's definitely way too small`
`21:47.20`	`Delvien`	`KNY I would go for 4800mah, i know its possible... but at what cost :p`
`21:48.05`	`mikey\|`	`heh, the camera app lets you focus before taking a shot`
`21:48.18`	`mikey\|`	`half press it and a green dot shows up`
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`21:53.14`	`unix_infidel`	`Delvien: would you rather carry an extra 2400mah batteries or carry a massive iPhone like battery wrapper?`
`21:54.59`	`synalx`	`i carry a battery pack for my g1`
`21:56.15`	`Delvien`	`unix_infidel: id rather just have a decentsize battery in the phone and not have to worry about it`
`21:56.49`	`unix_infidel`	`Delvien: when battery technology catches up i'm sure you will ;-P`
`21:57.29`	`Delvien`	`unix_infidel: there is no money in batteries, so im sure its never going to`
`22:01.38`	`Delvien`	`I just spent the last 10 mins of my life tapping the screen to make a drum sound...`
`22:02.09`	`synalx`	`Delvien: can i have your life so i can put the time to more productive use?`
`22:02.15`	`Delvien`	`sure`
`22:02.19`	`synalx`	`yay`
`22:02.21`	`Delvien`	`maybe you will have better luck than i did`
`22:12.49`	`mmattice`	`I wouldn't mind a wrapper, especially if it had a wildcharge reciever in it`
`22:13.16`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`I hate how T-Mobile is basically calling the G1 "theirs"`
`22:13.28`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`on their website, it's listed under T-Mobile phones, not HTC phones`
`22:13.37`	`mmattice`	`nobody else is selling the dream, are they?`
`22:13.54`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`still`
`22:13.57`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`it's HTCs phone`
`22:14.04`	`Slackwise`	`HTC has always had their phones rebranded.`
`22:14.19`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`Dream is the first HTC branded phone too, isn't it?`
`22:14.19`	`Slackwise`	`And the phones are almost always exclusive per company.`
`22:14.22`	`Delvien`	`But no other carrier is selling the HTC g1`
`22:14.32`	`Delvien`	`So it technically is a T-Mobile phone`
`22:14.36`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`it's still an HTC phone, and should be listed under htc imho.`
`22:15.02`	`Delvien`	`I never heard of HTC before the G1, its not a known name, which scares people away.`
`22:15.23`	`mmattice`	`it is a known name in the smartphone arena`
`22:15.24`	`Delvien`	`It's marketing, nothing to get bent out of shape over`
`22:15.36`	`Slackwise`	`At least it has the HTC logo on it.`
`22:15.42`	`Slackwise`	`Most HTC's I've seen don't.`
`22:16.48`	`obra`	`HTC has only recently been pushing themselves as a consumer brand`
`22:16.50`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`I call it the dream, htc dream/g1, or g1. never put t-mobile in it.`
`22:17.17`	`obra`	`It's a fairly major marketing change for them, but they've OEM/ODMed most of the interesting smartphones in the past decade`
`22:17.19`	`Delvien`	`Why does it matter? I call mine a Monkey`
`22:17.26`	`Delvien`	`Makes just about as much sense.`
`22:17.56`	`geist`	`tmobile probably has an exclusivity contract for a bit`
`22:18.06`	`geist`	`which probably means they can call itt theirs`
`22:18.10`	`geist`	`until it expires`
`22:18.32`	`geist`	`plus they have ahabit of renaming stuff they sell`
`22:18.37`	`Delvien`	`my god, there is still no IRC client for android`
`22:18.39`	`geist`	`so they can own the name`
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`22:21.41`	`mikey\|`	`wow, google have big plans for android: "values returned by the accelerometer in various locations in the universe. "`
`22:22.08`	`Delvien`	`What does that mean?`
`22:22.21`	`mikey\|`	`no idea`
`22:22.30`	`mikey\|`	`http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/hardware/SensorManager.html#GRAVITY_SUN`
`22:22.33`	`Delvien`	`any VNC viewer yet?`
`22:22.40`	`mikey\|`	`they also have the other planets there`
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`22:24.40`	`mikey\|`	`Delvien: http://code.google.com/p/android-vnc/`
`22:24.49`	`mikey\|`	`written by jasta it seems`
`22:25.16`	`Delvien`	`mikey\|: saw that but doesnt seem to be coming anytime soon :x`
`22:25.19`	`spikebike`	`so if someone steals your phone and flees to mars it will be able to tell`
`22:26.20`	`Delvien`	`When can people start charging for Market apps?`
`22:28.33`	`mikey\|`	`"SENSOR_TEMPERATURE", interesting`
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`22:31.56`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`public static final float GRAVITY_DEATH_STAR_I`
`22:31.57`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`lol`
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`22:41.34`	`TiberiumX`	`Somehow I doubt my G1's accelerometer has the resolution to tell me that I'm on the death star vs. just out in space.`
`22:42.00`	`TiberiumX`	`GRAVITY_THE_ISLAND?`
`22:42.10`	`mikey\|`	`lol, i would love to know what these mean`
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`22:45.33`	`mikey\|`	`:( "Could not enable sensor 16"`
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`22:54.38`	`romainguy`	`mikey\|: TiberiumX: Lost, the TV show`
`22:54.49`	`romainguy`	`the Death Star gravity was annoying to compute :))`
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`22:55.27`	`TiberiumX`	`The island lifts into space so you'd consider it's gravity on its own vs. including the earth's mass?`
`22:56.09`	`TiberiumX`	`What is sensor 16?`
`22:56.29`	`mikey\|`	`light sensor`
`22:56.38`	`mikey\|`	`no, it was temp sensor`
`22:56.51`	`romainguy`	`TiberiumX: look at the value, it's the numbers sequence from Lost`
`22:56.52`	`mikey\|`	`arg, no it is the light sensor`
`22:57.17`	`TiberiumX`	`Ahh, okay. I didn't watch lost.`
`22:57.41`	`mikey\|`	`this is crazy, why doesnt it find my textview o.o`
`22:57.45`	`mikey\|`	`keeps throwing a null pointer`
`22:58.09`	`TiberiumX`	`Is it in your resources file? Have you set that layout as your content view?`
`22:58.21`	`mikey\|`	`yeah, its there, r.id. shows it`
`22:58.41`	`mikey\|`	`its the default textview with an added id and no default text`
`22:59.11`	`TiberiumX`	`Did you call setContentView(R.layout.whatever)?`
`22:59.47`	`mikey\|`	`ah..lol`
`23:00.05`	`mikey\|`	`i moved it to the bottom while adding my code`
`23:00.10`	`mikey\|`	`and forgot about it`
`23:00.44`	`TiberiumX`	`Ahh. I've done that before.`
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`23:06.45`	`romainguy`	`lol`
`23:06.56`	`romainguy`	`Amazon sells a 1 GB Micro SD card for $0.09`
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`23:12.13`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`not worth the shipping`
`23:12.14`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`tbh`
`23:12.29`	`romainguy`	`yes :)`
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`23:14.12`	`Damm`	`depends`
`23:14.21`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`looks like you're limited to 5`
`23:14.22`	`Damm`	`if you have a amazon yearly whatever it's free s&h`
`23:14.35`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`if you could get like 50 for price oe $10 shipping or whatever`
`23:14.45`	`Gary\|thinkpad`	`I'd do that`
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`23:16.43`	`dream_kill`	`re`
`23:16.47`	`dream_kill`	`anyone awake ?`
`23:16.59`	`dream_kill`	`not sure if my last messages been sent ok`
`23:17.15`	`ttuttle`	`Hey, my G1's GPS is giving ridiculous readings. I'm driving to Manchester, NH and it says I'm off Cape Cod in the ocean!`
`23:17.28`	`dream_kill`	`:D`
`23:17.40`	`dream_kill`	`nice`
`23:17.52`	`dream_kill`	`some bugs in the res files from the source`
`23:17.58`	`dream_kill`	`in IM and Phone app`
`23:18.21`	`dream_kill`	`in res/values/strings.xml some strings are missing`
`23:18.24`	`dream_kill`	`for phone:`
`23:18.35`	`dream_kill`	`newPinLabel`
`23:18.41`	`dream_kill`	`oldPinLabel`
`23:18.48`	`dream_kill`	`confirmPinLabel`
`23:18.54`	`dream_kill`	`puk_requested`
`23:19.16`	`dream_kill`	`(delete all the other language files and try to recompile and u see the errors)`
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`23:23.27`	`romainguy`	`dream_kill: these values are probably specified in another strings.xml`
`23:23.37`	`romainguy`	`because they definitely work in English`
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`23:24.27`	`dream_kill`	`yes, in different LANGUAGE`
`23:24.35`	`romainguy`	`then they're just old unused strings`
`23:24.47`	`dream_kill`	`then why compiler complain ?`
`23:24.58`	`romainguy`	`because they are probably used in an unused layout :)`
`23:25.01`	`dream_kill`	`(delete all the other languages res files)`
`23:25.09`	`dream_kill`	`and do compile :D`
`23:27.03`	`dream_kill`	`seems only IM and Phone have this missing`
`23:27.06`	`dream_kill`	`rest seems ok`
`23:30.16`	`chanwitk1`	`dream_kill: is that you who knows about replacing the very first G1 logo? I've heard about this from some forum.`
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`23:31.04`	`dream_kill`	`;)`
`23:31.41`	`chanwitk1`	`dream_kill: could you tell me how to get the logo replaced?`
`23:31.51`	`dream_kill`	`with what :P ?`
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`23:33.54`	`chanwitk1`	`:) with a blank image`
`23:34.27`	`dream_kill`	`u need to be able to flash using NBH file`
`23:34.48`	`dream_kill`	`as the splash is not in the MTD area u see in the G1 :P`
`23:35.41`	`chanwitk1`	`wow, you're real :)`
`23:35.58`	`chanwitk1`	`what's NBH file ?`
`23:36.16`	`dream_kill`	`update file used by the HBOOT :D`
`23:36.37`	`dream_kill`	`Hboot .95.000 needs signed files`
`23:36.59`	`dream_kill`	`so making ur own not easy, unless you patch the hboot to accept unsigned files`
`23:37.16`	`dream_kill`	`don't ask how as is not done yet`
`23:38.54`	`chanwitk1`	`something about holding camera button to get into it, right?`
`23:38.57`	`dream_kill`	`so u for splash screen u need a nbh file with 0006 identifiers (main splash image)`
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`23:39.29`	`dream_kill`	`size 0x4b000`
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`23:40.58`	`chanwitk1`	`i see`
`23:41.17`	`chanwitk1`	`so i think i can not do it at the moment.`
`23:41.24`	`chanwitk1`	`a lot of keywords now`
`23:41.24`	`dream_kill`	`for sure not`
`23:41.54`	`dream_kill`	`if it helps you i can give u the bin from the g1 logo :D`
`23:42.00`	`dream_kill`	`so u have a looking point :D`
`23:42.49`	`chanwitk1`	`cool :)`
`23:43.13`	`chanwitk1`	`i think i found somewhere mentioned about DREAMING.nbh`
`23:43.32`	`dream_kill`	`exactly`
`23:43.54`	`dream_kill`	`this is what the hboot looks for on the sd card`
`23:44.00`	`dream_kill`	`when in hboot mode`
`23:44.24`	`dream_kill`	`check the file against the first 0x100 bytes (signature) and if valid, flashes in the handset`
`23:44.39`	`chanwitk1`	`i see`
`23:44.53`	`dream_kill`	`so moding the file it will not work as is signed :(`
`23:45.02`	`IznastY`	`- [ is away ] [ Reason: Activate IdleAway: 300 min ] [ Time: 22:44:55 ] [ Pager: on ] [ Log: on ]`
`23:45.32`	`dream_kill`	`wants a faster pc for compliling as his takes far to loong :P`
`23:47.00`	`chanwitk1`	`so you mean, if we're able to sign it again some how we sign update.zip, it's going to work?`
`23:47.50`	`dream_kill`	`yep`
`23:48.04`	`dream_kill`	`but this time the keys are in hboot`
`23:48.22`	`dream_kill`	`so first need to patch the hboot to have the new keys (or no keys check at all)`
`23:48.28`	`dream_kill`	`and then flash the .nbh`
`23:48.34`	`dream_kill`	`since first part is not done yet....`
`23:49.06`	`chanwitk1`	`i see, i got the idea.`
`23:49.24`	`chanwitk1`	`same way someone's done with recovery image.`
`23:55.10`	`chanwitk1`	`dream_kill: thanks for your info. looking forward to hear from you about that soon ;-)`
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