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| 00:34.59 | herriojr | shouldn't Intent.FLAG_ACTIVITY_CLEAR_TOP not create a new item on the stack if the intent I'm sending is received by the sending activity? |
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| 00:43.09 | herriojr | btw, it's being sent via a PendingIntent |
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| 00:50.04 | Lieutenant | hey so i'm guessing the G1 wont be getting google earth like the iphone has? |
| 00:54.11 | herriojr | Lieutenant: I guess ask google, I would assume it would |
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| 01:05.33 | jasta | romainguy_: are you going to be releasing the code for that async image loading? i'm getting antsy to try it out :) |
| 01:05.49 | romainguy_ | jasta: it's almost ready |
| 01:06.49 | jasta | ok, ill be patient :) |
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| 01:09.43 | DJTachyon_ | so when is the next RC expected anyway? |
| 01:09.52 | spikebike | nfi |
| 01:10.06 | DJTachyon_ | indeed |
| 01:10.13 | spikebike | wait for a serious root bug to hit the international news and it will be pronto |
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| 01:10.28 | spikebike | not sure tmo has even committed to any |
| 01:10.32 | spikebike | i.e. android 1.1 comes out |
| 01:10.51 | DJTachyon_ | as if the TTY console echo bug wasnt bad enough :) |
| 01:11.05 | thoraxe | whee connectbot + irssi |
| 01:11.26 | DJTachyon_ | yeah i want an android irc client |
| 01:11.35 | spikebike | why? |
| 01:11.47 | thoraxe | it would be nice. someone saids they were working on one |
| 01:11.51 | SanMehat | DJTachyon_: i found one |
| 01:12.00 | spikebike | so we can see your leave/joins when you walk behind a tree? |
| 01:12.07 | SanMehat | but its buggy... and keeps a wakelock |
| 01:12.07 | thoraxe | SanMehat: really? |
| 01:12.17 | DJTachyon_ | oh? |
| 01:12.19 | DJTachyon_ | hmmm |
| 01:12.25 | DJTachyon_ | not on marketplace then? |
| 01:12.29 | SanMehat | oh no |
| 01:12.29 | thoraxe | whats wakelock? |
| 01:12.32 | DJTachyon_ | hehe |
| 01:12.57 | SanMehat | thoraxe: its a way of keeping the device from sleeping. carefull use required |
| 01:13.15 | thoraxe | careful use bc of battery or? |
| 01:13.28 | DJTachyon_ | so basically can only use it actively |
| 01:13.31 | jbq | wakelock = 1 line of code turns your battery life from days into hours. |
| 01:13.33 | SanMehat | becaues of battery |
| 01:13.34 | DJTachyon_ | not running in the background |
| 01:13.50 | thoraxe | hahaha like this thing could last days |
| 01:14.04 | unix_infidel | jbq: isnt that true of connectbot + irssi anyway? |
| 01:14.36 | jbq | thoraxe: actually, it lasts quite a few days if you use it as a plain phone. |
| 01:14.45 | DJTachyon_ | is closed beta testing an mmorpg that he wishes was in much better condition than it is |
| 01:14.58 | SanMehat | thoraxe: i don't mess with my personal G1, and it lasts for awhile |
| 01:15.06 | SanMehat | many days actually |
| 01:16.31 | Leeds | jbq: you mean no data at all? |
| 01:16.35 | DJTachyon_ | if i dont use mine for anything but calls, dont get on 3G, and dont lose the connection |
| 01:16.40 | DJTachyon_ | it will last for days |
| 01:17.12 | DJTachyon_ | so basically in airplane mode :P |
| 01:17.13 | thoraxe | have any of you guys tried the power mgr app? it is kinda neat |
| 01:18.04 | unix_infidel | Leeds: how's your sick G1 ;-) |
| 01:18.11 | Leeds | still in the store |
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| 01:18.13 | jbq | Leeds: no background sync. |
| 01:18.43 | jbq | A single data packet occasionally doesn't hurt much, but having several per hour does. |
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| 01:19.30 | jbq | DJTachyon: actually, in airplane mode it probably lasts a month. |
| 01:19.31 | Leeds | several per hour is really an issue? |
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| 01:19.50 | DJTachyon | heh without opening it up or checking it, probably |
| 01:19.55 | DJTachyon | i keep it in airplane mode at work |
| 01:20.04 | DJTachyon | because i get no connectivity |
| 01:20.21 | jbq | Leeds: if you packets are more than a few seconds apart, there's only about enough battery life for 1000 packets (based on measurements we did in the office). |
| 01:20.40 | spikebike | I wish I could tell the g1 if you see this access point (at work) turn off the cellular |
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| 01:21.02 | jbq | (not counting the battery that gets drained by just being ready to receive phone calls and SMS). |
| 01:21.25 | thoraxe | ooh new xbox 360 ui |
| 01:21.50 | DJTachyon | yeah i need to download that |
| 01:21.58 | DJTachyon | wii + ps3 rip off :) |
| 01:22.14 | Leeds | interesting |
| 01:22.21 | jbq | anyway, the battery in the G1 is 1150 mAh, the phone uses about 5mA being turned on on a GSM network, and each packet (when spread more than about 20 seconds apart) takes about 1 mAh, so you can do the math. |
| 01:22.26 | Andomic | any good Ftp client for droid yet? |
| 01:22.27 | DJTachyon | avatars and whatnot |
| 01:22.43 | Leeds | jbq: so when can we expect the device with *good* battery life? ;-) |
| 01:22.54 | jasta | when battery technology improves? |
| 01:22.58 | jbq | Leeds: when it's got a bigger battery. |
| 01:23.11 | DJTachyon | anybody see those 3rd party batteries? |
| 01:23.16 | Leeds | heh, okay... |
| 01:23.18 | DJTachyon | squeezing an extra 200mah or whatever |
| 01:23.27 | spikebike | dunno |
| 01:23.36 | spikebike | it's easy to claim another 200mah ;-) |
| 01:23.38 | Leeds | I guess 3G takes more power than GPRS/EDGE? and wifi takes more? |
| 01:23.46 | languish | i'm waiting for a battery that';s part of the whole back cover |
| 01:23.54 | spikebike | dunno about wifi vs edge |
| 01:23.56 | jbq | also, when cell networks are optimized for battery life. The network parameters have a huge impact on standby battery life, both with sync on or off. |
| 01:23.56 | DJTachyon | GPS > WiFi > 3G > Edge |
| 01:23.59 | unix_infidel | i wonder if there's documentation for how apple does it's power management. |
| 01:24.03 | Andomic | can't wait getting my 16GB card for G1 tomorrow |
| 01:24.05 | spikebike | 3g definitely seems more than edge |
| 01:24.06 | unix_infidel | (for the iPhone) |
| 01:24.09 | spikebike | andomic how much? |
| 01:24.17 | Andomic | $62 |
| 01:24.23 | spikebike | not pad |
| 01:24.25 | spikebike | bad |
| 01:24.36 | unix_infidel | heh, seems like a terrible time to buy tech to me ;-) |
| 01:24.37 | spikebike | I only found $90 ish so I got the 8GB and figured I'd wait 6 months |
| 01:24.54 | Andomic | yeh, this way we are not regulated to buy another phone for more gigs unlike Iphone |
| 01:24.59 | DJTachyon | 16GB microSD baffles me |
| 01:25.04 | jbq | 3Ah would make me happy :) (well at least the G1 has swappable batteries, and extra batteries are small) |
| 01:25.11 | DJTachyon | i mean .. go back to 1995 and show someone a 16gb microSD |
| 01:25.14 | Andomic | baffles? why.. |
| 01:25.21 | Andomic | oh |
| 01:25.36 | spikebike | 16 GB of storage that you could lose if you sneeze at the wrong time |
| 01:25.39 | DJTachyon | i think i had a 256 meg hard drive back then |
| 01:25.43 | Leeds | heh |
| 01:25.43 | unix_infidel | jbq: yea, as opposed to getting an incase at a 100% premium to the cost of a G1 battery ;-P |
| 01:26.00 | unix_infidel | erm, "Incase" -->http://www.goincase.com/ |
| 01:26.17 | DJTachyon | my ibm xt in 1987 had two low-density 5.25" floppies |
| 01:26.21 | Andomic | hey what r u guys using to cobert divx flix to the G1 video format? |
| 01:26.42 | Andomic | convert* |
| 01:26.54 | umdk1d3 | ffmpeg ^.^ |
| 01:26.56 | DJTachyon | sure why not |
| 01:27.13 | unix_infidel | spikebike: anything over 8GB on a device that's designed as more of a smallish MID ... |
| 01:27.19 | DJTachyon | try MediaCoder |
| 01:27.23 | unix_infidel | seems a bit crazy to me. |
| 01:27.29 | DJTachyon | also you cant encode at a high frame rate/audio rate |
| 01:27.37 | Leeds | it's not so much the amount of storage, more the sheer density |
| 01:28.02 | spikebike | heh, I'm used to the n800 which has 2 of the larger size sd slots |
| 01:28.18 | Andomic | what app u use on the phone to load the mp4 format? the Video player? |
| 01:28.19 | spikebike | max is we 128GB or something silly |
| 01:28.28 | DJTachyon | yeah |
| 01:28.37 | unix_infidel | isnt there a divx player for the G1 already? |
| 01:28.58 | DJTachyon | 256kbps MPEG4, w/ FAAC |
| 01:29.10 | DJTachyon | FAAC @ 96kbps |
| 01:30.03 | eldenz | can it decode H.264? |
| 01:30.14 | Andomic | crap i got an anime mp4 @ 1378kbps |
| 01:30.17 | Andomic | no wonder it didn't work |
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| 01:30.35 | DJTachyon | haha yeah |
| 01:30.56 | DJTachyon | ive had trouble encoding H.264 .. for some reason |
| 01:31.01 | DJTachyon | which should be the fastest |
| 01:31.12 | Andomic | what vidz u got on ur home now? |
| 01:31.22 | DJTachyon | i got on my home? |
| 01:31.26 | Andomic | ye |
| 01:31.31 | DJTachyon | what do you mean? |
| 01:31.54 | Andomic | what type of vidz u got on ur phone, ex: tv shows ,movies? |
| 01:31.56 | DJTachyon | i have some bleach episodes, some videos I took from my vid cam .. etc |
| 01:32.05 | Andomic | ahh k |
| 01:32.12 | Andomic | and u used mediaCoder? |
| 01:32.15 | DJTachyon | yeah |
| 01:32.51 | eldenz | hmmm, i contemplate buying the Brown G1... but not sure whether the bright keyboard might be too susceptible to dirt ;) |
| 01:33.01 | DJTachyon | maybe another encoder make h.264 better |
| 01:33.07 | DJTachyon | its now brown .. its bronze :P |
| 01:33.15 | eldenz | : ) |
| 01:33.40 | eldenz | white is too trendy and black is... too techy, the "bronze" version would be a perfect fit :) |
| 01:33.47 | eldenz | (not that it really matters though...) |
| 01:33.52 | Andomic | i heard the other colors but black qwerty keys don't light up |
| 01:34.06 | DJTachyon | engrish? |
| 01:34.12 | Andomic | keyboard |
| 01:34.31 | Andomic | the qwerty keyboard doesn't light up the T-mobile rep told me |
| 01:34.35 | DJTachyon | heh speaking of engrish .. I got my friend's picture up on engrishfunny.com :) |
| 01:34.46 | Andomic | is she full of shit? |
| 01:34.50 | eldenz | ah i see.. brown was officially renamed :) |
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| 01:36.28 | DJTachyon | http://engrishfunny.com/2008/11/13/engrish-retard-capsules/ |
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| 01:48.04 | DJTachyon | i am trying some other encoding standards with mediacoder |
| 02:02.14 | jasta | is gmain with a custom domain no longer free? |
| 02:02.39 | jasta | on the gmail page under settings -> accounts, it says "Use Gmail with your domain for free. [Learn more]" but the link takes you to what appearst o be a paid service signing up for Google Apps for Business |
| 02:05.36 | michaelnovakjr_ | should be free too i think |
| 02:05.38 | michaelnovakjr_ | i have it |
| 02:05.48 | jasta | how do you set it up? |
| 02:05.59 | jasta | i was thinking that it would work by letting me use their MX servers with my domain |
| 02:06.07 | jasta | and they would accept e-mail for foo@me.com |
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| 02:11.24 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: ? |
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| 02:16.17 | _Tmm | Follow the step on the http://source.android.com/download , when i Building the code ,i met an error :target Generated: libwebcore <= external/webkit/WebCore/css/CSSCharsetRule.idl |
| 02:16.17 | _Tmm | gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory |
| 02:16.17 | _Tmm | Can't call method "fileName" without a package or object reference at external/webkit/WebCore/bindings/scripts/IDLParser.pm line 110. |
| 02:16.17 | _Tmm | make: *** [out/target/product/generic/obj/SHARED_LIBRARIES/libwebcore_intermediates/css/JSCSSCharsetRule.h] Error 255 |
| 02:17.27 | _Tmm | Follow the step on the http://source.android.com/download , when i Building the code ,i met an error :Follow the step on the http://source.android.com/download , when i Building the code ,i met an error :target Generated: libwebcore <= external/webkit/WebCore/css/CSSCharsetRule.idl gcc: error trying to exec 'cc1plus': execvp: No such file or directory Can't call method "fileName" without a package or object reference at external/webkit/WebCore/bindings/scrip |
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| 02:18.00 | _Tmm | anybody here can help me to solve the problem ,,, |
| 02:21.31 | andyross | _Tmm: sounds like a missing g++ installation. |
| 02:22.21 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta, i have my own email address with a gmail interface |
| 02:22.30 | michaelnovakjr_ | gmail does all the hosting |
| 02:22.32 | _Tmm | i have installed the g++ |
| 02:22.49 | _Tmm | my linux system is 8.10... |
| 02:22.55 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: how did you set that up though? what MX records are you using on your domain? |
| 02:23.02 | jasta | or is your registrar doing forwarding for you? |
| 02:23.34 | michaelnovakjr_ | did you find the standard edition sign up? |
| 02:24.04 | michaelnovakjr_ | google provides the mx record you're supposed to use |
| 02:24.14 | jasta | no? |
| 02:24.14 | _Tmm | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:24.21 | michaelnovakjr_ | http://www.google.com/apps/intl/en/business/details.html |
| 02:24.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | on that page you'll see the link compare to standard edition |
| 02:24.38 | michaelnovakjr_ | you can sign up from there |
| 02:24.40 | jasta | oh, standrad edition :) |
| 02:24.41 | jasta | i see :) |
| 02:25.23 | michaelnovakjr_ | that's what i use |
| 02:25.46 | michaelnovakjr_ | the gmail app on the g1 allows you to use google apps accounts for email |
| 02:26.00 | michaelnovakjr_ | its really just gmail with your own domain :) |
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| 02:27.51 | thesquib | how do you tell a textfield to ignore everything but numerical input? |
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| 02:31.32 | thesquib | I tried view.setKeyListener(DigitsKeyListener.getInstance()); but it still seems to get other characters, e.g when I press Backspace |
| 02:33.35 | Leeds | you want people not to be able to delete what they've typed? |
| 02:37.24 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: hmm, will i still be able to use my old gmail account with this or will i need to re setup my g1? |
| 02:37.45 | wastrel | reset |
| 02:37.51 | wastrel | you log in with user@domain |
| 02:37.58 | jasta | argh, lame :) |
| 02:38.05 | jasta | i had like a calendar set up and stuff hehe |
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| 02:38.42 | wastrel | subscribe to it :] |
| 02:38.50 | wastrel | on the apps accont |
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| 02:52.56 | michaelnovakjr_ | jasta, not sure... i started with my apps account from the start |
| 02:53.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm curious about this theme stuff i read about |
| 02:53.26 | michaelnovakjr_ | gmail supports themes now |
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| 02:58.29 | wastrel | i am not working on android tonight |
| 02:58.44 | Leeds | why not? |
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| 02:58.53 | wastrel | doing a different project |
| 03:00.12 | Leeds | you mean there are things more important than android? |
| 03:00.32 | DJTachyon | woooo |
| 03:00.36 | DJTachyon | got some really nice video encoded |
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| 03:00.46 | DJTachyon | this looks a lot better than befor |
| 03:01.10 | DJTachyon | Using the Super vidoe encoder |
| 03:01.12 | Leeds | DJTachyon: what spec? |
| 03:02.29 | DJTachyon | Video: H.264/AVC, 480x320, 3:2, 24fps, 480kbps .. Audio: AAC LC, 44.1kHz, Stereo, 96kbps |
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| 03:03.08 | DJTachyon | it looks really good |
| 03:03.26 | Leeds | makes a note |
| 03:03.47 | DJTachyon | The Super Encoder has been the only one that has muxed it correctly without much hassle |
| 03:04.06 | DJTachyon | http://www.erightsoft.info/GetFile.php?SUPERsetup.exe |
| 03:04.18 | DJTachyon | err |
| 03:04.35 | DJTachyon | i hate the Super download site |
| 03:04.39 | DJTachyon | it makes it so hard to find |
| 03:04.46 | DJTachyon | http://www.erightsoft.net/SUPER.html |
| 03:04.49 | DJTachyon | good luck :P |
| 03:05.05 | Leeds | doubt that works on Linux? |
| 03:05.37 | DJTachyon | doubt it .. just get a good H.264/AVC encoder |
| 03:06.29 | Leeds | seems to largely be ffmpeg underneath anyway |
| 03:06.46 | DJTachyon | yep |
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| 03:07.21 | Leeds | eh, don't have a G1 at the moment, and need to do day-job stuff... will look at it later :-) |
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| 03:07.34 | DJTachyon | :P |
| 03:08.41 | Leeds | would be nice to get a stable shell script which I can just throw downloaded avis, mkvs, etc. into and get a G1-targeted video out the other side |
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| 03:12.08 | obra | Has an ebook reader other than the still-somewhat-not-yet-working-at-all FBReaderJ 0.21 popped up? |
| 03:14.13 | Leeds | FBReaderJ does work with a little care |
| 03:14.35 | obra | Leeds: I've had a lot of trouble generating books it doesn't segfault on |
| 03:14.41 | skbohra1 | Leeds: Hi |
| 03:14.45 | Leeds | what are you generating them with? |
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| 03:14.47 | Leeds | skbohra1: morning |
| 03:14.52 | obra | I've traced down the first couple failures but not had time to work through patches |
| 03:14.57 | skbohra1 | Leeds: morning |
| 03:14.59 | obra | Leeds: I've been using Stanza |
| 03:15.15 | obra | (http://www.lexcycle.com/) |
| 03:15.25 | Leeds | I don't know that software... |
| 03:16.05 | Leeds | what format are you trying to generate them in? |
| 03:16.13 | obra | Tearing apart the generated books, they _looked_ reasonably correct, but ebook formats are far from my specialty ;) |
| 03:16.36 | obra | .epub |
| 03:17.01 | wastrel | obra: i will love you forever if you get fbreaderj working |
| 03:17.24 | Leeds | it seemed to work vaguely okay to me if I used unpacked oeb |
| 03:17.28 | obra | wastrel: I have my free-time more than eaten up with the little bit of work on K-9 I get to do. |
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| 03:17.47 | wastrel | i don't like .epub format |
| 03:18.02 | wastrel | it's yucky and i have no good tools for generating .epub content. |
| 03:18.08 | Leeds | fbreader (and fbreaderj) is developed in private, isn't it? |
| 03:18.18 | wastrel | source is available |
| 03:18.24 | wastrel | i don't know their development practices |
| 03:18.48 | Leeds | I'm not aware of any mailing list/forum, bug tracker, source repo, etc. |
| 03:19.21 | jasta | hmm |
| 03:19.25 | wastrel | well the download page suggests joining the freshmeat list for ML |
| 03:19.26 | jasta | how do i setup my g1 with a new google account? |
| 03:19.34 | wastrel | source tarball is available |
| 03:19.44 | wastrel | bug tracker is available i forget what it uses |
| 03:19.59 | Leeds | and note http://www.fbreader.org/docs/contributions.php |
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| 03:20.29 | Leeds | jasta: you factory reset, officially - although someone suggested there was a way to do it by rerunning the setup wizard |
| 03:20.45 | Leeds | "all patches you send to us should be allowed to be re-distributed under both GPL and a proprietary license" |
| 03:20.46 | wastrel | http://www.fbreader.org/support.php bug tracker |
| 03:21.03 | wastrel | yeah that's gross |
| 03:21.16 | wastrel | so fork but ffs need ebooks pls |
| 03:21.21 | wastrel | also offline html browser |
| 03:22.09 | Leeds | yeah, removing file:// support from the browser is pretty odd |
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| 03:36.12 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: so you have to have two accounts with google if you want foo@bar.com as well as googles other services? |
| 03:36.54 | jasta | maybe i should just get a forwarding service :) |
| 03:39.24 | KNY | interesting, the browser doesn't like saving google chart images |
| 03:39.31 | KNY | it always says "Download Unsuccessful" |
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| 03:45.26 | Leeds | it says download unsuccessful about a lot of things... |
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| 03:47.13 | plusminus_ | I've never searched for, but are ads allowed in Android-apps ? |
| 03:47.27 | ryebrye_ | hmm irsii is cool... but how do you change windows? |
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| 03:51.30 | Leeds | plusminus_: there's no way to stop them |
| 03:51.55 | ryebrye_ | Leeds, you get your phone back yet? |
| 03:52.10 | Leeds | essentially, *anything* is allowed in Android apps... there are limits on apps made available through the market, but you don't have to distribute your apps through the market if you don't want to, or if it doesn't fit your business model |
| 03:52.40 | Leeds | RyeBrye: nah, they've only had it 23 hours or so... I'll call them (or get my local-speaking girlfriend to call them :) ) this evening, then I *hope* to get it back tomorrow |
| 03:52.49 | ryebrye_ | ok |
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| 03:53.32 | Leeds | in the meantime, probably good to go without it for a couple of days so I can get some real work done! |
| 03:54.27 | ryebrye_ | should brick his phone to increase his productivity too :/ |
| 03:55.18 | plusminus_ | Leeds: are you sure on that we are allowed to put ads to our apps? |
| 03:55.36 | Leeds | plusminus_: did you read what I just wrote? |
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| 03:56.46 | Leeds | there are rules on what you can and cannot do if you want to distribute your app in the marketplace |
| 03:57.01 | Leeds | there are essentially no rules if you distribute your app yourself, or through some other third party |
| 03:57.03 | plusminus_ | yes and I asked whether you are sure on that ;) |
| 03:57.34 | ryebrye_ | plusminus_: which app? andnav? |
| 03:57.36 | Leeds | if I wasn't sure, I'd have qualified my answer |
| 03:57.38 | plusminus_ | yes |
| 03:57.45 | plusminus_ | I'm considering it |
| 03:58.11 | plusminus_ | Leeds: ok thx |
| 03:58.27 | ryebrye_ | wonders which he would rather have... $ vers or ad vers... |
| 03:58.29 | Leeds | I am not a lawyer, do not work for Google, HTC or T-mobile, etc. etc. |
| 03:58.54 | ryebrye_ | you could always do 2 vers |
| 03:59.09 | ryebrye_ | free and "pro" |
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| 04:00.49 | ryebrye_ | Leeds, you do much hacking on emedded stuff before? |
| 04:01.01 | Leeds | yes and no... |
| 04:01.10 | ryebrye_ | Leeds: any disassm experience or anything? |
| 04:01.12 | Leeds | I played with ipaq Linux for years |
| 04:01.18 | Leeds | nah |
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| 04:03.58 | ryebrye_ | where is htc based? |
| 04:04.14 | Leeds | taiwan |
| 04:04.36 | DJTachyon | wow newegg doesnt have 16gb microsdhc? |
| 04:06.36 | spikebike | nah |
| 04:06.45 | spikebike | they are pretty limited in availability so far |
| 04:06.51 | spikebike | they have a nice 8GB for $30 |
| 04:06.59 | DJTachyon | hmmm buy.com has SanDisk Ultra II 16GB MicroSDHC for $50 w/ Free Shipping |
| 04:07.30 | ryebrye_ | Imagine how many apps you could install on a 16 GB card! |
| 04:07.38 | ryebrye_ | oh... wait... ;) |
| 04:07.41 | wastrel | you can't install apps on a card |
| 04:08.00 | ryebrye_ | yeah, it was a setup wastrel :) |
| 04:08.13 | andyross | dumped a 9G music collection on it though. That counts for something. |
| 04:08.28 | wastrel | i don't listen to music |
| 04:09.22 | Leeds | then you are missing out on a lot of human experience... |
| 04:09.50 | jasta | hehe, 9G? |
| 04:09.53 | jasta | oh brother :) |
| 04:10.57 | KNY | hey can you guys do me a favor? I uploaded a new version of my app and it disappeared from the Market (for me, anyway) |
| 04:11.05 | wastrel | what app |
| 04:11.12 | KNY | mind seeing if you can find "Mileage"? It's under finance |
| 04:11.36 | andyross | Only "MileageLedger Demo" |
| 04:11.42 | wastrel | i see it |
| 04:11.51 | wastrel | version 1.6.0 |
| 04:11.56 | KNY | wastrel, that's it |
| 04:12.03 | KNY | I wonder why it disappeared for andyross and I |
| 04:12.56 | wastrel | do you have it installed? |
| 04:12.58 | andyross | The market does seem a bit mysterious sometimes... |
| 04:13.02 | wastrel | i don't |
| 04:13.13 | andyross | is quite certain he doesn't have it installed. |
| 04:13.48 | offby1 | andyross: buy low, sell high. |
| 04:13.49 | offby1 | ducks |
| 04:15.30 | KNY | wasabi, I uninstalled my dev copy, installed the Market version (1.5.0), uploaded the upgrade, updated through OI Update, then got version 1.4.1 (??) and it was gone from the market |
| 04:15.34 | KNY | so I'm befuddled |
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| 04:20.41 | KNY | there we go, it seems to be back now. Thanks, guys |
| 04:37.25 | ryebrye_ | So, just out of curiosity - what are the differences between late-model pre-production engineering devices and the retail ones? |
| 04:37.52 | ryebrye_ | Just the bootloader being enabled still? (fastboot... etc)? |
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| 04:41.41 | pox101 | I can't get my G1 to sign in for the 1st time |
| 04:42.05 | pox101 | is there any way to bypass the google sign in? |
| 04:42.16 | Leeds | pox101: not really, no |
| 04:42.48 | mmattice | no |
| 04:43.05 | pox101 | I got my phone in the mail yesterday and it's been saying that the google servers are down |
| 04:43.39 | mmattice | put a working tmo sim in and do it, then put yours back in, or just call customer service to have them attempt to activate your internets |
| 04:43.39 | Leeds | is it getting online? |
| 04:43.40 | offby1 | well, that sucks :-| |
| 04:43.43 | skbohra1 | google servers down? |
| 04:43.45 | pox101 | The t-mobile support is telling me the service is just down, and to wait it out |
| 04:44.03 | ryebrye_ | pox101 - try safe mode |
| 04:44.04 | mmattice | then call customer service |
| 04:44.17 | pox101 | "there is a problem communicating with the google servers." |
| 04:44.24 | offby1 | I just assume t-mobile support are lying |
| 04:44.26 | offby1 | or idiots. |
| 04:44.28 | mmattice | why didn't you start with that? |
| 04:44.29 | ryebrye_ | pox101 - or try searching for it. there is some stuff I saw on it |
| 04:44.47 | ryebrye_ | Tmobile tech support for android is really good |
| 04:44.56 | spikebike | pox101: where are you? |
| 04:45.08 | pox101 | "This could be a temporaryproblem or your SIM card may not be provisioned for data services. If it continues, call Customer Care." |
| 04:45.19 | pox101 | Riverton, Wyoming 82501 |
| 04:45.29 | pox101 | we roam on union wireless |
| 04:45.40 | ryebrye_ | And they are open really late |
| 04:45.40 | spikebike | ah, so a decent edge signal? |
| 04:45.46 | pox101 | They say that should be fine as long as we have edge |
| 04:46.02 | spikebike | and you got the $25 dataplan with your phone? |
| 04:46.04 | pox101 | I have 3 bars |
| 04:46.20 | pox101 | and the little e |
| 04:46.37 | offby1 | wow, that's a little town |
| 04:46.48 | spikebike | I had a friend that it didn't work 5 times |
| 04:46.56 | spikebike | he was outside of redding ca |
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| 04:47.00 | pox101 | The egde speed in wyoming is kind of slow 34k to 128k on a good day |
| 04:47.02 | spikebike | he went upstairs to a windwo and it worked |
| 04:47.08 | spikebike | window |
| 04:47.09 | offby1 | right on Highway 26, which I know because it goes to Portland, OR |
| 04:47.16 | ryebrye_ | Mine came pre-provisioned with some radom account |
| 04:47.28 | spikebike | ryebrye_: weird |
| 04:47.38 | offby1 | ryebrye_: cool! |
| 04:47.51 | ryebrye_ | yeah, it was new - bought online |
| 04:47.54 | offby1 | imagines RyeBrye_ calling China and charging it to some random person |
| 04:48.29 | ryebrye_ | I emailed that person whose account it was set up with, but haven't gotten a response |
| 04:48.34 | Leeds | offby1: I don't think ryebrye_ has ever called me |
| 04:48.44 | ryebrye_ | I suspect it was a throw-away account |
| 04:49.13 | offby1 | Leeds: you're probably not random enough. |
| 04:49.15 | offby1 | few of us are |
| 04:49.18 | ryebrye_ | Leeds - you ever get your hands on cool cheap knock off stuff there? |
| 04:49.20 | pox101 | like a demo sim for the store |
| 04:49.33 | Leeds | there's masses of it |
| 04:49.39 | Leeds | offby1: but I *am* in China |
| 04:49.44 | offby1 | pfft |
| 04:49.50 | offby1 | necessary but not sufficient |
| 04:50.03 | pox101 | any way to turn on the wi-fi and use that to sign in to google? |
| 04:50.16 | Leeds | ryebrye_: some of the crap just over the border in 'real' China is amazing... people trying to sell 320GB USB sticks - and they can prove they are real by plugging them into a PC and showing it come up as 320GB |
| 04:50.45 | Leeds | except that they've fiddled the controller on the stick to report that, while there's a minimal (or zero) amount of actual storage - if you try to use it, you just get errors |
| 04:51.02 | ryebrye_ | leeds - that is funny |
| 04:51.02 | spikebike | heh |
| 04:51.32 | spikebike | for a good while monitors were advertising resolutions significantly larger than their dot mask |
| 04:51.41 | spikebike | I found that really amusing |
| 04:51.42 | Leeds | lots of fake iphones, of course... had a guy try to sell me a sciphone last week, the guys who are pushing their 'G2' |
| 04:51.55 | spikebike | heh |
| 04:52.10 | spikebike | the engrish on the g2 was kinda amusing |
| 04:52.29 | ryebrye_ | Leeds: how about clothes and stuff... like the north face stuff or ArcTeryx stuff? |
| 04:53.02 | Leeds | haven't really looked for clothes... |
| 04:53.16 | Leeds | things are less cheap over there, since the CNY has gained about 15% over the HKD this year |
| 04:53.33 | ryebrye_ | interesting |
| 04:53.53 | ryebrye_ | Is hong kong behind the great firewall? |
| 04:54.27 | Leeds | well, HKD is pegged to USD at 7.75-7.85 (and it's been pushing that 7.75 *very* hard in the past few weeks), so it's about CNY/USD really |
| 04:54.43 | Leeds | no - but there have been one or two noises recently about the possibility of it happening |
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| 04:58.44 | Leeds | it's really interesting over there, and it's a bit scary how things could go if there's a hard landing |
| 05:04.24 | unix_infidel | well you guys finance a lot of our debt :-) |
| 05:04.54 | unix_infidel | HK is the financial capital of the south east. it's where all dual sino citizens invest. |
| 05:06.33 | unix_infidel | oh wow, so the blackberry storm has a 3.5mm jack...iiiinteresting. |
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| 05:07.03 | Gary|tp | how do I get adb/G1 working with ubuntu? |
| 05:07.19 | Gary|tp | After setting up the 50-android.rules file and restarting, lsusb shows nothing, as does adb |
| 05:08.34 | Leeds | sure |
| 05:09.12 | Leeds | Gary|tp: "adb devices" doesn't show anything? did you enable USB debugging on the device? is there any difference if you run the adb command as root? |
| 05:10.29 | spikebike | unix_infidel is the storm another device with almost identical internals to the g1? |
| 05:10.35 | Gary|tp | http://pastebin.com/m73887712 |
| 05:10.35 | spikebike | like the tro pro |
| 05:10.38 | spikebike | treo |
| 05:10.41 | unix_infidel | spikebike: it's a blackberry. |
| 05:10.42 | Gary|tp | @leeds |
| 05:11.03 | spikebike | er, right? |
| 05:11.11 | Leeds | Gary|tp: and the other two questions? |
| 05:11.14 | Gary|tp | Running as root does nothing, debug mode is on |
| 05:11.19 | Gary|tp | I'm not that stupid :P |
| 05:11.24 | spikebike | that means that it doesn't have a 7201a? |
| 05:11.26 | Leeds | some people are |
| 05:11.41 | Leeds | are you plugged into a hug? |
| 05:11.44 | Leeds | er, hub? :-) |
| 05:12.16 | andyross | Try a different cable? |
| 05:13.00 | Gary|tp | Hmm, hard to say. It's a notebook that's docked into a base. |
| 05:13.20 | unix_infidel | spikebike: but yea, internals are pretty different. |
| 05:13.34 | Leeds | does the notebook have any built-in ports? if so, try them |
| 05:13.42 | Gary|tp | Plugging it directly into the PC does show up on lsusb, weird |
| 05:13.55 | Gary|tp | and adb works |
| 05:13.59 | spikebike | the treo pro seems like a g1 clone |
| 05:14.14 | wastrel | treo pro you say? |
| 05:14.17 | wastrel | that's winmo |
| 05:14.18 | spikebike | cept for the keyboard under the display |
| 05:14.23 | Gary|tp | Oh well, just stick to this for now. thanks :) |
| 05:14.43 | wastrel | also it came out before the g1 |
| 05:14.54 | spikebike | it was pretty close |
| 05:15.45 | wastrel | it has a todo/organizer app |
| 05:15.48 | wastrel | unlike android :p |
| 05:15.56 | spikebike | not sure if anyone has ported android, seems like it should be one of the easier ones |
| 05:16.11 | Leeds | I've already started saving the money for a Palm Android device |
| 05:16.26 | skbohra1 | +1 |
| 05:16.31 | Leeds | not hacked - released/supported out of the box... it seems to be such a no-brainer |
| 05:16.33 | andyross | Has palm announced an android phone? |
| 05:16.44 | wastrel | no they're working on their own linux os |
| 05:16.44 | Leeds | andyross: not that I know of |
| 05:16.57 | wastrel | supposedly to be announced q1 09 last i heard |
| 05:17.02 | skbohra1 | i will go with freerunner + android! |
| 05:17.15 | Leeds | and it seems to be a no-brainer to fold whatever they've got into Android |
| 05:17.27 | Leeds | let's face it, they gave up having their own platform years ago when PalmOS 6 failed |
| 05:17.28 | spikebike | ew, freerunner |
| 05:18.13 | spikebike | seems like a doomed project |
| 05:18.26 | spikebike | I get optimistic then they announce some giant screw up |
| 05:18.34 | spikebike | repeat. |
| 05:19.14 | wastrel | android's not a success yet |
| 05:19.29 | wastrel | granted, moreso than openmoko |
| 05:19.38 | spikebike | ya |
| 05:20.04 | spikebike | I crashed 3 different freerunners at linux world |
| 05:20.12 | spikebike | running 3 different distributions no less |
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| 05:21.05 | Leeds | I saw prototype hardware running the Access Linux Platform (one of the two Linux-based PalmOS successors) almost 2 years ago |
| 05:22.09 | spikebike | they screws up the fcc filing so no quad band |
| 05:22.31 | spikebike | designed the gui (at least for awhile) around a stylus, but no stylus holder |
| 05:22.50 | spikebike | then they took the tiny freerunner devel community and split it around 4 different platforms |
| 05:23.03 | spikebike | oh, yeah and ditched their primary development platform what 3 months ago? |
| 05:24.02 | wastrel | it's impressive |
| 05:26.35 | spikebike | it's pretty dated hardware... O |
| 05:26.43 | spikebike | I'd love it if the g1 upgraded to it's LCD though |
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| 05:40.15 | geist | smiles |
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| 05:49.21 | TreyB | geist: ping |
| 05:49.28 | jbq | hey TreyB, isn't it starting to be late where you are? |
| 05:49.41 | TreyB | Not in Taipei :-) |
| 05:49.49 | jbq | lol, good point. |
| 05:49.58 | geist | yeah, i ended up not going |
| 05:50.29 | TreyB | So much for going out to dinner with you tonight. |
| 05:51.14 | geist | yeah, got cancelled. will be in shenzhen around 12/3 though |
| 05:51.33 | TreyB | I hope not to return anytime soon. |
| 05:52.03 | DarkriftX | plusminus_: i think you would make a lot more money charging a very small price for the app than you would putting ads in it. and I am sure ppl would be willing to pay if its cheap |
| 05:52.08 | TreyB | I liked it well enough, but 3 weeks from home by ones self sort of sucks. |
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| 06:19.10 | irig | Hi all how to playback the video file in the android emulator |
| 06:19.19 | irig | There is only one music player in tht ? |
| 06:19.28 | irig | How to play a 3gp file |
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| 06:46.24 | Neverender | irig: it doesnt come with a video player |
| 06:49.21 | _Tmm | SOS : after i built the code . i run the command : emulator -system system.img -data userdata.img -ramdisk ramdisk.img ,,but i met the error : SDL init failure, reason is: No available video device |
| 06:49.33 | _Tmm | any body can help me ? |
| 06:50.46 | Leeds | stupid questions: are you trying to run the emulator as a different user from the one you're logged in as - e.g. logged in as user, running as root? |
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| 07:33.24 | irig | Tmm chk if you have created SDcard or not ? |
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| 08:04.59 | irig | how to play video files on emulator ? |
| 08:05.22 | Leeds | using a video player? |
| 08:05.54 | irig | but there is no video player ? |
| 08:06.14 | Leeds | not built-in, no |
| 08:06.22 | irig | whr can i find it in emulator ? |
| 08:06.32 | irig | it shows only music player |
| 08:06.57 | Leeds | there isn't one |
| 08:07.01 | irig | Leeds can you tell me about this ? |
| 08:07.06 | Leeds | sure I can |
| 08:07.08 | irig | ok |
| 08:07.21 | Leeds | there isn't a video player included in the android platform, therefore there isn't one in the emulator unless you add it |
| 08:07.25 | irig | is there any changes need to be done in the source code of player ? |
| 08:07.41 | irig | ok how to add the video player ? |
| 08:07.53 | Leeds | find one and install it using adb? |
| 08:08.03 | Leeds | I don't know where to find one, apart from the market |
| 08:10.21 | irig | adb command can you tell ? |
| 08:10.53 | Leeds | just run adb and it'll give you its options |
| 08:11.00 | irig | ok |
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| 08:25.25 | tauno_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:26.34 | dcordes | tauno_ what devices? |
| 08:26.49 | dcordes | use gpe-snes :) |
| 08:29.30 | tauno_ | dcordes, G1 |
| 08:29.38 | tauno_ | gpe-snes? |
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| 08:41.15 | dcordes | tauno_ gpe-snes9x I think. used to play snes with it on the zaurus |
| 08:41.36 | Leeds | and here's the biggest problem with Android |
| 08:42.07 | dcordes | Leeds what's that? |
| 08:42.25 | Leeds | any existing Linux software, written in anything but Java, is going to be well-nigh unportable to Android |
| 08:42.53 | Leeds | Java software should be portable with a rewrite of the UI layer... but 'native' code will need to be largely rewritten |
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| 08:43.45 | dcordes | yes the big downside. you don't have the big diversity of choices most people like so much about 'normal' linux distros |
| 08:43.57 | xsdg | Leeds: most existing linux programs aren't designed to run on a device with limited memory, and that's running on battery power |
| 08:44.18 | xsdg | Leeds: for instance, most desktop applications have no problem churning away on the CPU for a bit |
| 08:44.38 | dcordes | z |
| 08:44.57 | Leeds | xsdg: there's a lot of older code out there which would fit well in a mobile device's footprint - maybe with a little adaption |
| 08:45.12 | Leeds | does the ARM used in Android/G1 have hardware floating-point? |
| 08:45.14 | dcordes | xsdg doesn't mean you must exclude diversty with an approach in creating a resoucef riendly system |
| 08:45.50 | geist | Leeds: no |
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| 08:46.03 | xsdg | dcordes: no, it doesn't. But it does mean that we choose to optimize for our constraints, rather than to ignore those constraints in order to allow existing apps to run poorly |
| 08:46.27 | dcordes | xsdg also, new generation devices like the g1 or the other msm7xxxx ares o fast, your statement is not so valid |
| 08:46.33 | Leeds | the point is that it isn't a case of porting or optimising existing code - in most cases it'll be almost a rewrite |
| 08:46.44 | xsdg | dcordes: we run it clocked down to conserve battery |
| 08:46.58 | dcordes | xsdg col |
| 08:47.01 | dcordes | cool |
| 08:47.05 | geist | the new arm11s are pretty fast, but it's still an order of magnitude slower than a desktop cpu |
| 08:47.49 | Leeds | we started working with resource-constrained ARM devices in around 2000 - but very little of the userspace work from that time is available to Android - at least not to app developers |
| 08:48.10 | dcordes | there is no point in locking down the system that severely, other than marketing fullstop |
| 08:48.31 | dcordes | so the discussion is pointless |
| 08:48.39 | xsdg | Leeds: well, using X would have been a big loss for the platform, I think |
| 08:48.43 | Leeds | I'm not saying that it's wrong to have Java as the primary platform, at all - there are lots of reasons |
| 08:48.50 | Gary|tp | I was studying the 6502 CPU for a bit, but I don't think I have the knowledge to optimize it enough to run on the g1 |
| 08:49.01 | Leeds | xsdg: but if there was an SDL target, for example... |
| 08:49.11 | xsdg | Leeds: "write one" |
| 08:49.12 | Gary|tp | Plus, how would you do controls :/ |
| 08:49.13 | dcordes | Leeds ack |
| 08:49.16 | xsdg | Leeds: it's not like we have infinite time |
| 08:49.45 | Leeds | xsdg: is there any way to get something to the screen outside of dalvik? |
| 08:50.05 | Leeds | I don't know how tightly coupled that sort of thing is |
| 08:50.07 | xsdg | Leeds: OpenGL ES, for one |
| 08:50.09 | dcordes | Leeds how about the other waya round? |
| 08:50.14 | Leeds | dcordes: what? |
| 08:50.34 | Leeds | okay, that's interesting :-) |
| 08:51.21 | dcordes | Leeds sorry, what do you mean getting something tot he screen outside of OE? |
| 08:51.28 | dcordes | dalvik |
| 08:51.30 | dcordes | haha |
| 08:52.02 | Leeds | dcordes: what I mean is... Java/dalvik things get to draw on the screen, take part in the OS... C things can't |
| 08:52.23 | Leeds | so even if you have snes9x running perfectly, there is no channel for it to do I/O |
| 08:52.59 | xsdg | Leeds: native apps aren't officially supported yet (and how native stuff works may change in ways that break backward-compatibility before it does become supported) |
| 08:53.08 | dcordes | OK I have no clue about that. what I mean was virtualizing dalvik on your other system |
| 08:53.16 | xsdg | Leeds: but native apps can use OpenGL, yes |
| 08:53.29 | Leeds | erm, would that be a clear statement that there is an intent to support native apps? :-) |
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| 08:54.07 | xsdg | Leeds: likely at some point. When? I have no idea |
| 08:55.26 | dcordes | Leeds no but you can use a different device with thes ame chipseta d slightly better hardware like the raphael. roll your own kernel, boot whatever filesystem you want.. |
| 08:55.45 | Leeds | dcordes: not useful |
| 08:55.58 | dcordes | why? |
| 08:56.10 | dcordes | depends onw hat you want.. |
| 08:56.16 | Leeds | firstly because it would require me to obtain a new device |
| 08:56.23 | Leeds | then get android running well and stably on it |
| 08:56.31 | dcordes | ha :) |
| 08:56.54 | dcordes | that is no problem. since it's thes ame modem it works ootb |
| 08:57.05 | Leeds | more to the point - the interesting thing about Android is that it's running out of the box on shipped mass-market hardware |
| 08:57.26 | dcordes | and on thed evices we hack |
| 08:57.29 | Leeds | so having something which runs on, say, a hacked raphael (whatever the fsck that is) but not on a G1 is uninteresting |
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| 08:58.52 | simpletuning | it's kinda hard doing this on the g1 -_- |
| 09:00.06 | dcordes | Leeds raphael is like the g1 with more sexy hardware |
| 09:00.34 | Leeds | I'm not an HTC person, I'm a Linux person |
| 09:00.39 | dcordes | or the xperia x1 is a nice alternative as well |
| 09:00.41 | simpletuning | huh? |
| 09:00.59 | dcordes | Leeds you are - you use the g1 :) |
| 09:01.02 | simpletuning | im thinking about returning the g1 |
| 09:01.13 | dcordes | I'm no android person I'm a linux person :p |
| 09:01.23 | dcordes | sorry got somew ork to do bbiab. |
| 09:01.24 | simpletuning | im low on disk space already for apps |
| 09:01.33 | simpletuning | that's kind of pathetic |
| 09:01.58 | simpletuning | my n95 8gb was more satisfying even with no qwerty |
| 09:02.15 | Leeds | simpletuning: no, no, please stay, we need you! |
| 09:02.17 | simpletuning | g1 sucks atm for an app whore |
| 09:02.35 | dcordes | simpletuning create an ex2 fs on 16gb sd and outsource some stuff to it |
| 09:02.41 | simpletuning | well tell the devs to give me more space! |
| 09:03.03 | simpletuning | cant install apps to sd? |
| 09:03.34 | simpletuning | i dont even have that many apps -_- |
| 09:03.58 | simpletuning | most in the market right now are buggy and crap |
| 09:04.16 | simpletuning | i think im going back to symbian |
| 09:04.33 | simpletuning | android is just too new right now |
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| 09:04.57 | simpletuning | symbian s60 3rd edition is so much better |
| 09:05.11 | Leeds | good to know |
| 09:05.45 | simpletuning | maybe when they have more phones in q1 '09 it'll get better |
| 09:05.48 | Leeds | very productive feedback |
| 09:06.08 | simpletuning | i like the phone dont get me wrong |
| 09:06.18 | simpletuning | but it's just still too lacking |
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| 09:07.46 | hendry | does not care about dalvik apps. Wants to see improvements in the browser+gears... |
| 09:08.16 | Leeds | the browser is a dalvik app, isn't it? |
| 09:08.24 | simpletuning | is the bb storm any good? |
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| 09:08.42 | simpletuning | i still want a real qwerty though |
| 09:09.13 | simpletuning | i wonder the touch hd pro hmm.. |
| 09:09.14 | hendry | Leeds: gears+browser at heart are native C |
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| 09:10.30 | Leeds | hendry: I think webkit is (mainly?) C++ |
| 09:13.55 | hendry | Leeds: yup |
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| 09:29.58 | dcordes | simpletuning there is no touch hd pro. there is touch pro (htc raphael) and the touch hd (htc blackstone) |
| 09:30.11 | dcordes | both are very similar to the g1 |
| 09:30.42 | dcordes | you can boot linux on the touch pro and make calls in android |
| 09:34.27 | dcordes | when can I buy the g1 in .eu ? |
| 09:35.01 | Leeds | you can buy it in the UK now |
| 09:35.23 | Leeds | you can probably buy a grey imported one in most places |
| 09:35.52 | dcordes | I'm in germany. maybe I will gof or one on ebay |
| 09:36.12 | dcordes | Leeds you got yours with a tmob contract? |
| 09:36.25 | Leeds | dcordes: no, they are not available in Hong Kong |
| 09:36.53 | dcordes | sorry I somehow was assuming you were in uk |
| 09:37.27 | Leeds | now why would you assume that? :-) |
| 09:37.52 | dcordes | heh |
| 09:38.57 | Leeds | nah, I moved out here a few years ago |
| 09:40.39 | dcordes | Leeds do you work with arm systems? |
| 09:40.49 | Leeds | nope |
| 09:41.57 | Leeds | I played with arm linux stuff for a while... was offered a couple of jobs in '00 which would probably have meant working with arm, but I've never actually worked on them |
| 09:43.16 | languish | as strange as this sounds.. I'd like a "Zune" client for the G1, as I use it primarily for video podcasts |
| 09:43.22 | languish | :/ |
| 09:43.23 | dcordes | and now you picked up the g1 to carry on playing with linux stuff |
| 09:43.43 | dcordes | and notice it's not that much of linux development |
| 09:45.14 | Leeds | no, not really |
| 09:46.03 | Leeds | as long as I do have root and can mess around underneath, I'm happy enough doing Java stuff on it... I spent quite a while (before and after my arm-linux phase) using and messing with PalmOS, so I'm not *that* wedded to Linux |
| 09:46.22 | Leeds | what I refuse to do is use a platform when the manufacturer/vendor controls what I do with my device |
| 09:46.34 | Leeds | and/or where it has to be hacked to be at all useful |
| 09:47.06 | Leeds | languish: actually 'Zune', or just video podcast? |
| 09:48.39 | Leeds | but I do have a weakness for 'devices which run Linux' - tivo, xbox, router, phone... |
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| 09:52.42 | languish | Leeds, well.. if it functions the way zune does.. listing video podcasts, perhaps with e desktop client to convert them automatically whithout configuration headaches on my end... |
| 09:52.50 | languish | e/a |
| 09:53.34 | languish | I'm not married to it being zine branded |
| 09:53.36 | languish | *zune |
| 09:53.54 | languish | I just want the functionality and ease of use |
| 09:54.20 | Leeds | ok |
| 09:54.21 | languish | </consumer> |
| 09:55.06 | irig | hi all |
| 09:55.18 | irig | where is media player present on android emulator ? |
| 09:56.47 | Leeds | irig: I answered that question hours ago |
| 09:57.58 | irig | but dont know how to download media player from adb |
| 09:58.17 | irig | but i see some thing in menu called api demos |
| 09:58.21 | irig | what are those ? |
| 09:59.31 | irig | when i click tht part it says please edit MediaPlayerDemo_Video Activity and set the path |
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| 10:12.06 | dcordes | Leeds isn't that the case for g1? |
| 10:12.18 | Leeds | dcordes: what? |
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| 10:12.59 | dcordes | what you said, vendor control |
| 10:13.41 | Leeds | there is some vendor control, but a lot less than, say, Symbian or mobile OSX - and with a minute amount of hacking, virtually none |
| 10:14.40 | dcordes | what's that hacking that leads to no control? |
| 10:14.41 | Leeds | think of the tivo... it's extremely useful without being hacked, and even more useful afterwards |
| 10:14.55 | Leeds | if I've got root, I've got almost complete control |
| 10:15.23 | dcordes | can you boot your own kernel? |
| 10:15.58 | languish | on a hacked g1 yeah |
| 10:16.04 | Leeds | in principle, yes, as far as I know |
| 10:16.17 | dcordes | cool |
| 10:16.28 | dcordes | did somebody present do that? |
| 10:16.46 | languish | dunno if he's here/awake atm but he's been in here yeah |
| 10:17.02 | languish | and the google devs have I would think |
| 10:17.06 | languish | so yeah :) |
| 10:17.28 | dcordes | can you access the nand partition with the kernel image and amss? |
| 10:17.40 | Leeds | once you're root... pretty much everything is open |
| 10:19.04 | Leeds | AFAIK there is very little closed software between the bootloader and a couple of the user apps - the kernel and the entire infrastructure is open |
| 10:20.34 | dcordes | if you can boot your own kernel it's not so important now to access those nand partitions anyway |
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| 10:21.07 | dcordes | but the msm7* is not much of an open infrastructure |
| 10:21.48 | dcordes | but that's a whole different aspect |
| 10:22.03 | Leeds | you mean the processor? |
| 10:22.18 | dcordes | yes qct msm7201a |
| 10:22.28 | dcordes | and the other msm7* |
| 10:22.39 | Leeds | ah, I'm not too fussed about the hardware, as long as I have open software to run on it |
| 10:23.20 | dcordes | the arm9 (baseband etc) side has too much control |
| 10:23.31 | dcordes | to say you hve an open infrastructure |
| 10:24.11 | Leeds | again... I mean software infrastructure... I'm a software guy through and through |
| 10:25.20 | dcordes | I'm just saying |
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| 10:26.43 | Leeds | I would say... you think of the device as a phone... I think of it as a portable computer with some interested connectivity hardware included |
| 10:27.29 | dcordes | no I don't |
| 10:27.51 | dcordes | I like both about those devices |
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| 10:44.01 | BruceChang | bows |
| 10:44.14 | BruceChang | Hello all: |
| 10:45.12 | BruceChang | I am new for android. Whom can I ask if I have questions? |
| 10:47.24 | dcordes | BruceChang just ask it globally |
| 10:48.08 | BruceChang | dcordes: thank you very much. |
| 10:49.26 | BruceChang | i think it might be asked by many people before. when will Android running in x86 system not ARM base(Not emulator)? Or anyway to do it? |
| 10:49.30 | dcordes | no problem. you even bowed down. |
| 10:50.41 | BruceChang | I try to set the TARGET_ARCH;=x86 and set the emulator=false |
| 10:51.44 | dcordes | BruceChang what's your target bord? |
| 10:51.59 | BruceChang | dcordes: It's VIA's board |
| 10:52.26 | BruceChang | dcordes: x86 system |
| 10:52.51 | dcordes | you put a touchscreen? |
| 10:53.23 | dcordes | (sorry I won't be of help, just curious) |
| 10:54.02 | BruceChang | dcordes: just... |
| 10:54.59 | BruceChang | dcordes: no... |
| 10:55.01 | dcordes | wot? |
| 10:55.25 | BruceChang | dcordes: do you know when will we have x86 version? |
| 10:55.59 | dcordes | no clue. is your machine powerful? |
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| 10:57.02 | BruceChang | so so..but better than ARM I believe |
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| 10:58.43 | dcordes | BruceChang what's your aim in running android on your via board? |
| 10:59.51 | BruceChang | dcordes: just try to run it in x86 system. It's the trend |
| 11:00.31 | dcordes | yea. maybe small umpcs or netbooks with 3g modema nd android would sell good |
| 11:02.19 | BruceChang | exactly |
| 11:03.06 | BruceChang | any other has idea fot it? |
| 11:06.27 | simpleg1 | run android as POS system OS |
| 11:07.29 | BruceChang | how? |
| 11:08.47 | dcordes | BruceChang you can setup a sleek linux distro for x86 and see how android performs in qemu |
| 11:08.48 | simpleg1 | just saw the merchant app for g1, would be nice to streamline it to make a POS system |
| 11:09.10 | simpleg1 | many more posibilities |
| 11:09.17 | dcordes | simpleg1 what's a POS system? |
| 11:09.21 | simpleg1 | point of sale |
| 11:09.32 | simpleg1 | a wireless POS system would be cool |
| 11:09.43 | BruceChang | i don't mean emulator |
| 11:09.58 | dcordes | yea I know |
| 11:10.31 | dcordes | but you could check. maybe it's fas enough to suite your needs |
| 11:10.36 | simpleg1 | it's already a credit card processing machine with the merchant app and merchant account |
| 11:10.49 | BruceChang | simpleg1: replace arm by x86 cpu |
| 11:10.58 | simpleg1 | with paypal virtual terminal that would work too i guess.. |
| 11:11.30 | simpleg1 | you dont like the qualcomm dual cpu? |
| 11:11.32 | dcordes | right... |
| 11:12.10 | BruceChang | simpleg1: no.....intel/amd/via |
| 11:12.10 | simpleg1 | well we'll see whoever releases the next android device and see what type of processor they use |
| 11:12.34 | simpleg1 | but think about the power consumption |
| 11:12.34 | dcordes | BruceChang will |
| 11:13.09 | dcordes | on a credit card reader with zune |
| 11:13.11 | BruceChang | dcordes: when? |
| 11:13.26 | dcordes | simpleg1 :p |
| 11:13.28 | simpleg1 | i believe the current android release isnt even using hardware acceleration yet |
| 11:13.59 | simpleg1 | so it's not exactly the hardware that is limiting the devices at this point |
| 11:14.14 | dcordes | what |
| 11:14.46 | simpleg1 | do any of you use the g1? |
| 11:15.32 | simple_g1 | :D |
| 11:15.44 | simple_g1 | t-mobile g1? |
| 11:21.20 | kRutOn | simple_g1: I use it for testing |
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| 11:29.33 | irig | hi all |
| 11:29.44 | irig | how can i get eclipse ? |
| 11:29.54 | BruceChang | dcordes: Does android use X11 window? |
| 11:30.31 | irig | apt-get install eclipse ?? is this the way ? |
| 11:30.46 | irig | or i should go to there site and download it ? |
| 11:31.04 | BruceChang | irig: no it's emulator |
| 11:31.48 | irig | BruceChang , wht is the meaning of no it's emulator |
| 11:31.53 | irig | can you explain ? |
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| 11:37.01 | kRutOn | irig: Either way should work depending on your distro. |
| 11:37.08 | BruceChang | thr program installed on eclipse seems to be an emilatpr |
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| 11:47.57 | Dialekt | shit man |
| 11:48.09 | Dialekt | i'm almost ready to give android a shot |
| 11:48.22 | Dialekt | failure in the blackberry storm is what I'm hearing |
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| 12:09.37 | irig | which eclipse for android ? |
| 12:09.41 | irig | Java/C++ ? |
| 12:09.55 | irig | or on both i can develop applications ? |
| 12:10.31 | irig | can any one clarify ? |
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| 12:12.58 | montamer | i believe u need java eclipse |
| 12:13.23 | irig | thanks montamer |
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| 12:20.14 | tauno_ | sweet.. it's snowing.. |
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| 12:23.55 | irig | hi invain |
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| 12:38.46 | Phlogi | anyone knows when new g1's come to market? |
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| 13:02.16 | invain | hi |
| 13:04.17 | irig | how r u invain ? |
| 13:04.37 | invain | how r u .. |
| 13:04.51 | irig | sent you some personal messages |
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| 13:05.56 | irig | invain, sent you some personal messages |
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| 13:13.37 | irig | how to playa video file in the emulator ? can any one help me ? |
| 13:14.09 | irig | or atleast that is possible or not ? please clarify me |
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| 13:35.11 | pandzilla | winfield: 3 |
| 13:35.14 | pandzilla | oops. |
| 13:35.15 | pandzilla | sorry. |
| 13:35.38 | winfield | Lol |
| 13:36.22 | pandzilla | :) |
| 13:36.28 | pandzilla | window switch FAIL |
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| 14:09.43 | Delvien | how many mhz does the g1' processor have? |
| 14:10.50 | cdarwin | seventytwelve |
| 14:11.29 | Delvien | sorry ghz |
| 14:11.55 | Delvien | 702mhz? |
| 14:12.10 | Delvien | err 701.2? |
| 14:12.27 | cdarwin | it was meant as a joke |
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| 14:13.46 | Delvien | does anyone know .proc.cpuinfo doesnt say |
| 14:13.53 | Delvien | .=/ |
| 14:14.20 | Leeds | 5something, I believe, but underclocked by default |
| 14:16.13 | Delvien | kk ty |
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| 14:21.39 | michaelnovakjr | yawns |
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| 14:37.33 | tauno_ | http://www.gorkem-ercan.com/2008/11/will-java-have-place-in-future-of.html |
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| 14:45.16 | SanMehat | morning |
| 14:45.23 | jbq | morning |
| 14:45.28 | languish | \o |
| 14:46.45 | Leeds | late evening :-) |
| 14:47.16 | jbq | "it's always 5 o'clock somewhere. have a beer" |
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| 14:48.33 | jbq | android app idea: the beer clock: shows you exactly where in the world it's currently 5 o'clock. |
| 14:49.44 | Leeds | cute :-) |
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| 14:51.16 | tauno_ | almost, almost.. it's 4:51 |
| 14:51.56 | Hiro2 | i wonder whats the ratio of ppl drinking beer |
| 14:52.08 | Hiro2 | "every 2 seconds, someone in the world is drinking beer" |
| 14:52.13 | Hiro2 | more like every second? hhaha |
| 14:52.37 | jbq | must be higher than that. 86400 beers per day sounds awfully low. |
| 14:53.01 | Hiro2 | is that how many seconds per day? |
| 14:53.07 | michaelnovakjr | yea that sounds like its just counting new york city |
| 14:54.06 | Hiro2 | I wonder if anybody actually counted every second of 24 hours... 86400 seconds that's a really long time |
| 14:54.27 | jbq | let's see. 125 billion liters per year, 3 beers per liter, 31.5 million seconds per year... |
| 14:54.57 | jbq | 12000 beers per second |
| 14:57.21 | Hiro2 | wow that's a lot |
| 14:58.32 | jbq | feels sorry for whoever has to clean the glasses |
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| 15:01.36 | tauno_ | jbq, 3 beers per liter? where exactly are you living again? :P |
| 15:02.29 | jbq | US cans and bottles are generally 12oz, i.e. 355 ml. |
| 15:02.52 | jbq | (that's 12 US fl. oz) |
| 15:02.58 | tauno_ | ah yeah.. US.. heard of that :) |
| 15:03.09 | jbq | In a bar you're more likely to get a US pint, 454 ml |
| 15:03.18 | Leeds | 454ml is nothing like a pint! |
| 15:04.14 | jbq | Uh, actually, 472ml in the US. |
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| 15:04.28 | tauno_ | hmm.. that's still too little. In here it's 500ml for a normal beer and more and more places label this as "women" in their menus.. "men" beer is 1l :| |
| 15:04.43 | jbq | heh :) |
| 15:04.47 | loke | tauno_: unless you'r ein germany |
| 15:04.52 | loke | 2l would be standard there |
| 15:04.57 | tauno_ | loke, nope, Estonia |
| 15:05.33 | tauno_ | 2l is here also.. its the "I don't want to get up and buy another ina few minutes, so I'll get a 2l one" beer |
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| 15:06.15 | tauno_ | but most people drink 500ml or 1l |
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| 15:07.57 | tauno_ | ..and it's also dirt cheap I guess if you compare it to the western world :) |
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| 15:11.52 | unix_lappy | you guys also forget that intoxication penalties are much more "expensive" there and public transit is ubiquitous... |
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| 15:15.24 | streeter | t-mobile 3G service started here today, just as promised. I'm very happy! |
| 15:15.44 | SplasPood | tis nice and fast in nyc when it works ;) |
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| 15:17.25 | KNY | streeter, where are you? |
| 15:17.44 | streeter | KNY: Huntsville, AL |
| 15:18.07 | KNY | streeter, damn it, yet I don't get 3G here in Pittsburgh |
| 15:18.10 | KNY | heh |
| 15:18.15 | loke | streeter: where is "here"? |
| 15:18.21 | loke | ph |
| 15:18.22 | loke | oh |
| 15:18.33 | loke | you USians are very late with 3G |
| 15:18.48 | loke | I have country-wide HSDPA coverage :-) |
| 15:18.59 | Disconnect | at&t has it. and verizon has been super fast for a few years now. |
| 15:19.10 | streeter | loke: t-mobile is late with 3G. I've had 3G from AT&T for a long time. |
| 15:19.32 | Disconnect | depending on the country, that could be considered a single metropolitan area in the usa :) |
| 15:20.06 | jbq | yeah, the US is so large that there are many places where you don't get any coverage at all from any carrier (satellite phones to the rescue) |
| 15:20.13 | loke | Disconnect: Singapore :-) |
| 15:20.28 | Leeds | loke: oh really/ |
| 15:20.53 | loke | which is the smallest state in the us? |
| 15:21.05 | Disconnect | delaware |
| 15:21.07 | Leeds | is heading to Singapore in about 21 hours for a weekend away with the GF |
| 15:21.08 | streeter | Rhode Island, I think |
| 15:21.12 | Leeds | Disconnect: isn't it rhode island? |
| 15:21.16 | Disconnect | yah my bad |
| 15:21.25 | Disconnect | was just realizing that. but DE is fastest to drive through :) |
| 15:21.27 | loke | hmm |
| 15:21.33 | loke | rhode island is larger than singapore |
| 15:21.42 | loke | 5 times, to be precise |
| 15:22.01 | Leeds | loke: do you have a G1? |
| 15:22.17 | loke | Leeds: no. it's not available here |
| 15:22.35 | Leeds | it's not available here either, but I've got one - sort of :-) |
| 15:22.59 | loke | I'm waiting for an android phone which is not sponsored by a provider, like most phones (except the g1 and iphone) |
| 15:23.15 | loke | at least phones are never operator-locked here |
| 15:23.42 | Leeds | my G1 has very little to do with t-mob... and there's no locking here either - here being Hong Kong, by the way |
| 15:24.51 | loke | Leeds: I have always been impressed with the HTC hardware, but their constant brown-nosing of Windows Mobile has frustrated me... Which is why it was annoying as hell seeing that HTC decided not to sell the G1 themselves |
| 15:24.58 | loke | I just can't fathom why |
| 15:25.08 | loke | contractual issues with MS? |
| 15:25.19 | Leeds | I assume they will, after their big-money exclusive contract with tmob runs out |
| 15:25.20 | loke | imagine android on some of their high-end models |
| 15:25.44 | loke | man, those phones screams for android. |
| 15:25.59 | loke | liek the touch diamond |
| 15:26.45 | loke | i mean the touch pro |
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| 15:27.13 | Leeds | there was someone around here earlier on who seemed pretty sure Android would port over relatively easily |
| 15:27.41 | loke | Leeds: if someone shows success with that, I'm buying the next day |
| 15:28.08 | Leeds | how about buying one the day before and helping the port? |
| 15:28.59 | unix_lappy | did we ever get a video player for the G1? |
| 15:28.59 | loke | I'm really salivating over the touch pro, but windows mobile makes me physically sick... I've had the misfortune to use it |
| 15:28.59 | Leeds | I've never used it :-D |
| 15:28.59 | Damm | unix_lappy, it plays video. |
| 15:29.00 | Damm | dunno if it plays it well |
| 15:29.04 | loke | Leeds: sadly, I have absolutely no time for that... even though I wish I had. I love doing that kind of stuff |
| 15:29.05 | Damm | there's also a video player on the market |
| 15:29.06 | bert0 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:29.28 | Leeds | the OS has video playing support, but no video player... the support is slightly limited - no .avi for example |
| 15:29.30 | bert0 | phantom alarms nearly made my gf break up with me |
| 15:29.51 | loke | two small kids, a full-time job that also forces me to work on weekends, as well as trying to develop my own company makes for very little spare time |
| 15:30.02 | vol | and an interesting sitcom plot |
| 15:30.10 | vol | throw in a wacky neighbor and attractive love interest and you're set |
| 15:30.13 | bert0 | no .avi is slight? |
| 15:30.39 | loke | I also intend to buy a bike and start excerising again, but that has been put on hold for far too long :-) |
| 15:31.01 | Leeds | loke: anything particularly exciting happening in .sg this weekend which we tourists shouldn't miss? :-) |
| 15:31.14 | loke | Leeds: you coming here? |
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| 15:31.28 | ttuttle | Disconnect: my invisibleshields shipped! |
| 15:31.31 | Leeds | * Leeds is heading to Singapore in about 21 hours for a weekend away with the GF |
| 15:31.46 | loke | Leeds: cool, been here before? |
| 15:31.57 | Leeds | yup, couple of years ago, also for a weekend |
| 15:32.22 | Disconnect | cool :) |
| 15:32.42 | loke | Leeds: well, the sad thing is that this time of year tends to have lots of rain. On the good side, it's also less hot. It was pretty col today for example, only 29 degrees they said on the radio |
| 15:33.01 | Leeds | heh... pretty cool here today as well - down to about 17C overnight |
| 15:33.03 | tauno_ | Disconnect, a coworker here also wants to order one.. you had some ref links? :) |
| 15:33.14 | bert0 | how can they advertise these like this? http://store.androidcentral.com/t-mobile-g1-bluetooth-stereo-headphones.htm |
| 15:33.32 | loke | Leeds: anyway, in three weeks, Kraftwerk is coming and doing a concert. :-) I'm going |
| 15:33.33 | bert0 | ...optimizes your mobile music experience |
| 15:33.39 | loke | Leeds: ouch |
| 15:33.39 | Disconnect | tauno_: yah there's an ad on my neglected site :) www.gotontheinter.net on the right |
| 15:33.40 | Leeds | they're coming here too |
| 15:33.46 | loke | Leeds: cool. you going? |
| 15:33.55 | Leeds | nah |
| 15:34.22 | loke | Leeds: 17 C... ouch. I'm from Sweden originally, so I know cold... but I still hate it :-) (that's why I like it here. never have to freeze) |
| 15:34.33 | tauno_ | huh.. -1C here currently :/ |
| 15:34.37 | loke | 17 C would be a normal summer day in sweden |
| 15:34.46 | Leeds | I'm from the UK (obviously enough to any Brits) and I like the weather here now - 29 is pretty hot for me |
| 15:35.10 | tauno_ | ..and still snowing a little.. |
| 15:35.21 | loke | Leeds: I figured you were from uk, yes :-) |
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| 15:36.50 | loke | Leeds: anyway, you can always do the standard stuff, like visiting the zoo or botanical gardens |
| 15:37.08 | loke | Leeds: shopping is always good, but HK has that too :-) |
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| 15:38.06 | Leeds | planning to go to the night safari - I did it last time and enjoyed it - go on the wheel... some shopping... hawker food... gf wants photos at the merlion... |
| 15:38.28 | unix_lappy | Leeds: which is why I asked if we got a proper video player. |
| 15:38.35 | loke | Leeds: mm... food :-) |
| 15:38.53 | Leeds | unix_lappy: not that I'm aware of, but I've been offline for a few days |
| 15:39.23 | loke | the night safari is good. I've only went there once though. Usually we go to the regular zoo with the kids |
| 15:39.35 | loke | my 2 year-old daughter loves the giraffes :-) |
| 15:40.11 | wastrel | zoo eh |
| 15:40.12 | loke | it can be a bit sweaty there if you're not used to the tropical heat though |
| 15:40.16 | wastrel | we should go to the zoo |
| 15:40.17 | loke | during the day that is |
| 15:40.18 | Leeds | oh really? :-) |
| 15:40.49 | wastrel | where are you now SD? |
| 15:40.52 | loke | http://www.zoo.com.sg/index.htm |
| 15:41.04 | loke | wastrel: yes, see above :-) |
| 15:41.58 | Leeds | out of interest, what takes a Swede to Singapore? |
| 15:42.44 | loke | Leeds: work, hate of cold weather, family... not necessarily in that order :-) |
| 15:43.08 | Leeds | taxes? |
| 15:43.13 | Leeds | great reason to be in HK... |
| 15:43.22 | loke | Leeds: I could ask you the same thing. What takes a brit to HK? (do you speak cantonese?) |
| 15:43.37 | loke | Leeds: taxes are certainly better here, yes |
| 15:43.37 | Leeds | no, I don't, and women's underwear |
| 15:44.01 | loke | Leeds: Cosplay? :-) |
| 15:44.09 | Leeds | bras, mainly |
| 15:44.14 | Leeds | (not 'good's) |
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| 15:44.58 | loke | This pic symbolises HK to me: |
| 15:44.58 | loke | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bf/Wikipe-tan_(Cosplay).jpg |
| 15:45.57 | Leeds | cosplay really isn't that big a deal around here, to be honest |
| 15:46.47 | loke | Leeds: well, I've actually never been to HK, so I wouldn't actually know :-) |
| 15:47.08 | Leeds | there's some really crappy fashion, but not so much cosplay |
| 15:47.29 | Leeds | anyway, I was offered a job here by family-of-family, working for their underwear company... it seemed a good idea at the time, so I accepted |
| 15:48.06 | Hiro2 | Leeds: then? |
| 15:48.07 | loke | Leeds: doing what? |
| 15:48.12 | unix_lappy | not necessarily attractive asian girls living on a fantasy world? |
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| 15:48.27 | loke | http://lh5.ggpht.com/_QF1FsGXHhEc/SJXGWvE9EII/AAAAAAAACpI/H6hhbc-96gY/gong_li_sexy_chinese_girl.jpg |
| 15:48.38 | unix_lappy | 404 |
| 15:48.38 | Leeds | Hiro2: then they fired me, I went through a couple more jobs... been here a few years now |
| 15:48.40 | loke | hong kong underwear! :-) |
| 15:48.49 | loke | gong li is from HK, right? |
| 15:48.54 | Hiro2 | Leeds: why did they fire you? |
| 15:49.16 | Leeds | Hiro2: un-necessarily personal question, I think |
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| 15:52.54 | dd94300 | Is anybody have seen this error in Eclipse? 'Failed to connect to remote VM. Connection Refused.' |
| 15:53.23 | fadden0 | dd94300: you trying to debug an app? |
| 15:53.52 | dd94300 | fadden0: yes ...actually the source code |
| 15:54.03 | fadden0 | Did you mark it as debuggable in the manifest? |
| 15:54.20 | fadden0 | (should only be necessary on a real device, I think) |
| 15:55.55 | dd94300 | fadden0: i have built complete source code in eclipse and trying to debug as Remote Java Application |
| 15:56.11 | dd94300 | localhost:8700 |
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| 15:56.29 | fadden0 | You have DDMS or the ADT plugin running and connected to your emulator or device? |
| 15:56.52 | fadden0 | (DDMS listens on port 8700 and forwards it over adb to the emulator/device) |
| 15:57.15 | dd94300 | oh.. I see. |
| 15:57.21 | dd94300 | how do i change it? |
| 15:57.43 | fadden0 | Are you using DDMS stand-alone, the ADT plugin for Eclipse, or none of the above? |
| 15:58.07 | dd94300 | ADT plugin for Eclipse |
| 15:58.26 | fadden0 | There should be a view in there somewhere that lets you select the device and then the app you want to debug. |
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| 15:59.40 | fadden0 | dd94300: http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware |
| 15:59.49 | dd94300 | I see the view but no device are attached....i have emulator running |
| 16:00.04 | fadden0 | (actually, you can lose the #developingondevicehardware if you're on an emulator) |
| 16:00.19 | fadden0 | "adb devices" should show the emulator. If it doesn't, something's off. |
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| 16:03.42 | fadden0 | brb |
| 16:04.39 | dd94300 | thanks fadden0, i will have to work on little bit |
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| 16:08.41 | joel | Any one has a good link for android build system (quite confuse with the make process)? Thanks |
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| 16:17.07 | jbq | joel: I don't have links off-hand, but I might be able to help. what are you trying to achieve? |
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| 16:35.02 | skbohra | hi everybody |
| 16:35.27 | skbohra | how to compile android for a particular architecure |
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| 16:37.15 | jbq | At the moment only ARMv5TE is fully supported out of the box. |
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| 16:41.24 | invain | for a particular architecure? |
| 16:41.37 | invain | Tell me example arch. |
| 16:41.55 | joel | Thanks jbq. I want to add a new lib into android source tree |
| 16:42.35 | invain | at first, you have to understand system libraries inthe android layers. |
| 16:42.41 | joel | Jbq: for example, Bluez |
| 16:42.50 | invain | um.. |
| 16:42.59 | invain | Do you have to use bluetooth service? |
| 16:43.11 | jbq | joel: you're aware that bluez is already there, of course... |
| 16:44.03 | invain | it correct.. |
| 16:44.04 | joel | jbq: yes, but have not source code, and the JNI maybe a fake one like camera libs |
| 16:44.11 | invain | ?? |
| 16:44.21 | jbq | The source code is here: http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/external/bluez.git;a=summary |
| 16:44.22 | invain | and full source is consist of bluez source. |
| 16:44.49 | joel | I mean framework source code for Bluez in java side |
| 16:44.58 | xnv | I heard rumors that Android apps could also be written in Python. Is this a lie? |
| 16:45.10 | invain | no... |
| 16:45.12 | invain | just |
| 16:45.27 | jbq | ah. there should be examples of JNI peppered throughout the tree. Just grep for "native" in the java source files and follow things down from there. |
| 16:45.36 | invain | google used python lang to build androud source partially. |
| 16:46.07 | jbq | invain: funny, I've worked on android for over a year, and I haven't seen any evidence of that. |
| 16:46.10 | invain | for example, emulator of android is using python lang partially. |
| 16:46.26 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:46.27 | joel | time to learn python ... |
| 16:46.31 | invain | and.. um... |
| 16:46.55 | invain | when you build android full source, you wil use python code like "repo"command. |
| 16:47.02 | xnv | I like the idea of Android... I just hate the idea of Java... was hoping there'd be an alternative |
| 16:47.07 | michaelnovakjr | that's call a script dude |
| 16:47.10 | invain | I think so |
| 16:47.17 | michaelnovakjr | invain: they made that so its easier |
| 16:47.32 | michaelnovakjr | its in no way evidence that is what is internally used |
| 16:47.34 | invain | what is it means? |
| 16:47.53 | invain | about phthon usage for android ? |
| 16:47.55 | jbq | oh, you meant, some of the tools used to manage android are in python. yes, that's correct. But I don't think that there's any python in anything that actually ends up on the phone. |
| 16:48.02 | invain | yes. |
| 16:48.06 | invain | it's correct. |
| 16:48.16 | michaelnovakjr | jbq, do you use the repo stuff internally? |
| 16:48.43 | invain | i have to sleep.. |
| 16:48.44 | invain | bye.. |
| 16:48.49 | invain | see u again... |
| 16:48.49 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:48.50 | jbq | michaelnovakjr: we're in transition from our old system to repo, so some of the team does and some of the team is still using the old tools. |
| 16:49.12 | michaelnovakjr | not using perforce are you :) |
| 16:49.37 | jbq | google doesn't normally talk about its internal tools. |
| 16:49.48 | obra | I must say I'm quite impressed with how slick repo is for something that's "newish and in transition" |
| 16:49.58 | wastrel | what's repo now? |
| 16:50.04 | obra | my assumption (until I was corrected) was that the android team had been using and refining it for a couple year |
| 16:50.07 | obra | s |
| 16:50.09 | michaelnovakjr | its the python script to easy the build process |
| 16:50.23 | michaelnovakjr | s/easy/ease |
| 16:50.35 | jbq | wastrel: repo is the tool that allows to manage a project that's scattered over 100+ git repositories, and that interfaces with gerrit. |
| 16:50.38 | joel | I will investigate "native" thing in framework, thanks jbq. |
| 16:51.34 | obra | jbq: is gerrit on the opensource track? |
| 16:51.58 | jbq | obra: gerrit is fully open-source (so is repo). http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=tools/gerrit.git;a=summary |
| 16:52.15 | obra | *sheepish* I knew repo was. I hadn't noticed gerrit. Thank you. |
| 16:53.01 | wastrel | thx |
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| 16:58.07 | Disconnect | ooh interesting post on and-dev. dex may be creating static-linked binaries, which makes the lgpl viral on android :( |
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| 16:58.28 | jbq | url? |
| 16:59.42 | Disconnect | lookig. (goog should add web-archive links to the message headers of it's lists. not "the whole archive is here" but "this message is at <foo>") |
| 16:59.55 | Disconnect | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/68b31fe42caf6113?hl=en |
| 17:00.13 | Disconnect | its just a "hey, this might not be ok for me" post |
| 17:00.29 | jbq | OK, thanks. I hadn't noticed it. |
| 17:01.21 | jbq | I don't know exactly how the output is packaged in .dex files. fadden would definitely know. |
| 17:02.29 | danfuzz | i don't think dx (nb: dx is the tool and dex is the format) produces "staticly linked" executables for the usual definition of that term |
| 17:02.57 | danfuzz | will look at the post when i'm at my desk (riding the bus right now) |
| 17:03.08 | andyross | The requirement seems specious, FWIW. Static vs. dynamic linking has never been a legal distinction -- even the LGPL offers both. |
| 17:04.33 | Disconnect | yah but istr the lgpl says "a single system binary with code from foo is considered static linked" so you'd have to prove/establish that dex is basically just an archive format.. |
| 17:04.48 | Disconnect | (quotes for distinction, not for "this text is in there somewhere" :) ..) |
| 17:04.57 | jbq | DannyB: did you see that? |
| 17:05.18 | DannyB | see what |
| 17:05.27 | jbq | sorry. http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/68b31fe42caf6113?hl=en |
| 17:05.53 | andyross | Yeah, but the LGPL still *allows* static binaries as a distribution format, as long as you also ship libraries or archives that can be re-linked by the end user. And if the GNU folks are OK with static linking not being an IP pollution mechanism, I can't see why anyone in the real world would be. |
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| 17:06.06 | DannyB | it's not about dynamic vs static linking |
| 17:06.16 | DannyB | it is about whether the user can replace the lgpl'd portions |
| 17:06.22 | RyeBrye | andyross - those people in the "real world" would be the annoying lawyers |
| 17:06.42 | DannyB | "# |
| 17:06.42 | DannyB | # b) Use a suitable shared library mechanism for linking with the Library. A suitable mechanism is one that (1) uses at run time a copy of the library already present on the user's computer system, rather than copying library functions into the executable, and (2) will operate properly with a modified version of the library, if the user installs one, as long as the modified version is interface-compatible with the version that the wor |
| 17:06.50 | andyross | DannyB: Right. But the post above cites a specific requirement for dynamic linkage, which I said was specious because even the LGPL doesn't care. I think we agree. |
| 17:06.57 | DannyB | yes, we agree |
| 17:07.01 | RyeBrye | Yeah, LGPL has similar implications in Flex development - but it's unclear if you are really distributing the app since it's just loading in the browser? I never really dug too much into it |
| 17:07.02 | DannyB | it's completely irrelevant to the LGPL |
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| 17:07.15 | DannyB | it so happens that dynamic linking is the way most people meet this requirement |
| 17:07.19 | DannyB | but it is not the only way |
| 17:07.43 | Disconnect | so how do i take MyBigUglyCommercialApp.apk and provide access to relink it with a modified lgpl library? |
| 17:07.50 | DannyB | you could obviously meet the requirement in a java program by looking for an alternate version at runtime |
| 17:08.07 | DannyB | Disconnect: runtime class loading? |
| 17:08.14 | andyross | Disconnect: ship libMyBigUglyCommercialApp.so or libMyBigUglyCommercialApp.a |
| 17:08.40 | DannyB | that would also work |
| 17:08.55 | Disconnect | cool. someone should reply to him then :) |
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| 17:09.39 | DannyB | someone should ask him what the underlying requirement of dynamic linking comes from |
| 17:10.33 | jbq | I can do that. |
| 17:11.49 | DannyB | i just joined the group |
| 17:11.55 | DannyB | i can do it so you aren't bugged by more email :) |
| 17:12.12 | jbq | I'll gladly let you do it. |
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| 17:12.24 | danfuzz | DannyB to the rescue! |
| 17:12.33 | jbq | DannyB: thanks for stepping in. |
| 17:12.37 | DannyB | no prob |
| 17:13.17 | DannyB | .dex is prelinked though, right? |
| 17:13.36 | DannyB | IE all known library calls are pre-resolved |
| 17:13.51 | jbq | I think that's done in odex, post-installation, but I might be wrong. |
| 17:14.01 | danfuzz | jbq is right |
| 17:14.16 | neerhaj | can G1 be connected to net using a hardline ? |
| 17:14.25 | danfuzz | in a regular dex file, all interclass refs are symbolic |
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| 17:15.05 | DannyB | okay |
| 17:15.27 | danfuzz | in an odex file, self-refs within the file and refs to the bootclasspath contents are optimized |
| 17:16.04 | DannyB | Okay, are there any external symbolic references left? |
| 17:16.06 | languish | <neerhaj> can G1 be connected to net using a hardline ? <- technically yes, over usb |
| 17:16.11 | DannyB | IE are they stil resolved at runtime |
| 17:16.13 | DannyB | or only resolved once |
| 17:16.16 | danfuzz | there can be |
| 17:16.25 | andyross | Dumb question: is there any user-accessible way to link against something *other* than your own code or the bootclasspath? |
| 17:16.36 | danfuzz | if a dex file refers to external dexes *not* on the bootclasspath |
| 17:16.36 | neerhaj | thought so, coz they did that at the Adobe conference. |
| 17:16.54 | DannyB | okay |
| 17:16.57 | danfuzz | in android's case, one example of this is the map library |
| 17:17.00 | DannyB | so it is dynamically linked |
| 17:17.01 | andyross | Yeah, but how does one do that? Is there a ClassLoader somewhere? I kinda thought that didn't work on the box. |
| 17:17.10 | DannyB | it just happens to be pre-linked for optimization purposes |
| 17:17.16 | danfuzz | right |
| 17:17.47 | danfuzz | andyross: no way to do that in the current system |
| 17:18.01 | andyross | OK, cool. Just checking to see that I hadn't missed something :) |
| 17:18.10 | danfuzz | it's a fairly tricky problem (we've thought about it a lot) |
| 17:18.48 | danfuzz | if fadden shows up, you can bug him about the gory details |
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| 17:23.34 | xnv | Anyone know of any 'early adoption' problems with the T-Mobile G1? That's the only Android phone available, right? |
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| 17:23.52 | vol | Aside from hardware problems, not really |
| 17:24.01 | vol | those don't really count |
| 17:24.08 | xnv | vol: Hardware problems? |
| 17:24.23 | andyross | Worst. Camera. Ever. There, I said it. |
| 17:24.25 | vol | poor battery life, hideous camera |
| 17:25.02 | vol | abysmal ad campaign, but that's T-Mobile's fault |
| 17:25.16 | vol | "Hey guys, my phone has google! You know! Google! You can... uh, search for stuff...." |
| 17:25.17 | andyross | Really? I actually like those ads. |
| 17:25.22 | vol | are you shitting me? |
| 17:25.35 | vol | the entire add is "Hey I have dumb questions, now I have a phone that accesses data plans! :D" |
| 17:25.54 | vol | "HOLY COW THE PHONE HAS GOOGLE" |
| 17:26.02 | xnv | Are there any better options for Android at the moment? And do we know yet which will be released next? |
| 17:26.05 | andyross | Yeah. "What's *really* in a hot dog?". It's an ad that finally embraces the wikipedia addict. |
| 17:26.29 | vol | ignore compass, accelerometer, wifi, 3g, decent processor, and the entire android nature so to speak |
| 17:26.33 | vol | (the ten thousand free apps) |
| 17:27.05 | andyross | The "with Google" bit seems silly only if you're in the tech industry and understand the distinctions. This is intended to be a mass-market smartphone -- you aren't the target audience. |
| 17:28.37 | andyross | xnv: T-Mobile stores in the US (and presumably UK) have G1's available for demos. You can try one out. Honestly, I think it's a great phone with warts, which is to say not much different from any other phone on the market. |
| 17:31.07 | xnv | andyross: I'm in The Netherlands :-( |
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| 17:34.50 | marcone | xnv: try the emulator then :) |
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| 17:35.34 | kRutOn | andyross: Only certain areas have the G1.. |
| 17:35.40 | xnv | marcone: That's not the idea |
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| 17:36.47 | kRutOn | xnv: The emulator is the next best thing to a G1. The versions you can load onto other WinMo HTC devices don't really work well enough to give you an accurate impression. |
| 17:40.04 | `vip | did anyone else leave the film on the front of their G1 |
| 17:40.55 | andyross | No, came off right out of the box. Still no scratches, despite being carried around in a pocket. Sturdier than I was expecting, although not quite iphone-glass sturdy I guess. |
| 17:41.34 | `vip | ah i left mine |
| 17:41.40 | `vip | still no scratches either |
| 17:41.44 | ttuttle | left mine on as long as it stuck. |
| 17:41.51 | ttuttle | Then I took it off, and my phone got two scratches :( |
| 17:42.06 | ttuttle | ordered a nice screen protector for it. |
| 17:42.24 | andyross | Keep your change and keys in the *other* pocket :) |
| 17:42.36 | ttuttle | heh |
| 17:42.53 | ttuttle | When tossing phone on to bed, make sure there is not a fork in the way. |
| 17:43.03 | `vip | lol |
| 17:43.08 | `vip | wtf |
| 17:43.13 | `vip | REAL KINKY sex with forks? |
| 17:43.15 | andyross | Or, y'know, don't put forks (!) in the bed in the first place. |
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| 17:43.49 | ttuttle | `vip: uh, no. |
| 17:43.59 | ttuttle | vol: I was lying on my bed eating and doing homework. |
| 17:44.23 | ttuttle | `vip: (I'm a computer science major living in an efficiency apartment, so my bed gets used for many, many things, but not sex.) |
| 17:44.27 | ttuttle | er |
| 17:44.31 | ttuttle | vol: sorry to highlight you |
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| 17:47.04 | `vip | ah ok |
| 17:47.54 | ttuttle | ;-) |
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| 18:16.57 | mattgyver83 | Is there an email client (or does the regular one) or a way to request read reciepts? |
| 18:17.34 | marcone | are there any clients anymore that honor such requests? |
| 18:18.11 | mattgyver83 | I believe that thunderbird and outlook let you |
| 18:18.12 | andyross | I think Thunderbird still prompts when it gets one and gives you the option. But yeah, that was a broken feature, can't be relied on any more, and should basically be considered a mistake. |
| 18:18.27 | mattgyver83 | That explains why you dont see it anymore |
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| 18:18.51 | wastrel | i get those from time to time |
| 18:18.53 | mattgyver83 | I have a problem with my email lagging behind and sending much later (sometimes days) after i sent it. It would just be nice to have that feature. |
| 18:19.01 | wastrel | from lawyers or hopeful salespeople |
| 18:19.07 | andyross | It was a terrible privacy problem if implemented silently. And the prompts are just plain annoying, and a terrible user experience. |
| 18:21.37 | Disconnect | most allow for it tho. and its carried over into mms - i was awakened by a page the other morning that turned out to be an early riser reading an mms i'd send the afternoon before.. |
| 18:22.09 | Disconnect | (stupid tmob and/or g1 .. instead of doing the icon ala sms, it went total "OMG most important message EVER!!" on me :( ..) |
| 18:25.32 | thoraxe | San-G1: androidirc?? |
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| 18:28.37 | morrildl | my favorite is the "recall a previously sent message" feature |
| 18:29.46 | jasta | morrildl: which can be used, actually, if you revise your e-mail delivery policy |
| 18:30.07 | jasta | a lot of large companies do put a short delay on outgoing e-mails to allow that feature to work |
| 18:32.37 | morrildl | sure, but once it leaves your servers, SMTP has no provision for it |
| 18:32.42 | RyeBrye | AOL has that for AOL -> AOL mail |
| 18:32.43 | morrildl | as a feature of your internal system, rock on |
| 18:32.57 | morrildl | when I get one in my inbox that some Exchange user sent, I laugh at them :) |
| 18:34.17 | wastrel | i haven't seen one of those |
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| 18:40.09 | ttuttle | good morning |
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| 18:44.51 | dbtid | ls out |
| 18:45.20 | jbq | ls: out: No such file or directory |
| 18:45.21 | Disconnect | out* |
| 18:45.24 | dbtid | heh |
| 18:45.28 | Disconnect | uhoh rootkit |
| 18:45.48 | dbtid | so, i went and put the Android platform stuff on my machine, under ubuntu 8.10 |
| 18:45.54 | dbtid | i get ALL the stuff they say to get |
| 18:45.57 | dbtid | then type 'make' |
| 18:46.09 | dbtid | after about 10 seconds it says "Unrecognized option : 9999999" |
| 18:46.32 | jbq | sounds like you're not using the official javac. |
| 18:46.44 | dbtid | i did everything the instructions told me to do |
| 18:46.50 | dbtid | i installed all the packages they said to install |
| 18:46.58 | dbtid | how do i find out if i'm using the wrong javac? |
| 18:47.13 | dbtid | javac -v |
| 18:47.23 | dbtid | Eclipse Java Compilers v_774_R33x, 3.3.1 |
| 18:47.33 | dbtid | s/s / / |
| 18:47.34 | thoraxe | anyone using the power manager application? |
| 18:47.38 | jbq | I don't know - I just think (from patterns of issues that have been reported) that you need all the java-related tools to come form an official JDK. that's true of javac, javadoc, and others. |
| 18:47.43 | thoraxe | i find that the service frequently stops for no reason |
| 18:47.56 | dbtid | i installed the sun java stuff |
| 18:48.02 | dbtid | it said i should use eclipse so i did |
| 18:48.08 | dbtid | perhaps there's more than one java compiler |
| 18:48.12 | dbtid | i will look into it |
| 18:48.21 | jbq | dbtid: that's the most likely explanation. |
| 18:48.35 | dbtid | thanks |
| 18:48.49 | dbtid | that's pretty frustrating :) |
| 18:48.58 | dbtid | i'll remove eclipse and see if that solves my problem |
| 18:49.16 | jbq | yes. and it's frustrating for the people trying to create the build system, because there are so many different configurations out there... |
| 18:49.21 | dbtid | yeah |
| 18:49.37 | dbtid | i was surprised because i followed the instructions and Bad Things happened. |
| 18:49.46 | dbtid | there's 5 "javac" files |
| 18:49.47 | dbtid | must be it |
| 18:50.18 | jbq | dbtid: which means that the android build system only has a 1-in-5 chance of finding the right one :| |
| 18:50.19 | dbtid | i'm guessing i want /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.10/bin/javac and not /usr/bin/javac |
| 18:50.26 | jbq | sounds right |
| 18:50.42 | dbtid | there weren't any instructions on what to do for setting the path... |
| 18:50.58 | ttuttle | uses the command line and it works wonderfully :) |
| 18:51.41 | shackan | dbtid: here at least, /usr/bin/javac is just a symbolic link into /usr/lib/jvm/... |
| 18:52.01 | fadden | "javac -version" should tell you what you're using |
| 18:52.04 | dbtid | i wonder if i want java-6-sun-... or java-1.5.0... |
| 18:52.15 | dbtid | fadden: it does; the one in /usr/bin is from Eclipse |
| 18:52.53 | shackan | oh, you have two JDKs, not good |
| 18:53.25 | dbtid | not sure how i got two; looks like there's more than that though... eclipse was listed as the IDE to use, but there's nothing there about javac. |
| 18:54.00 | romainguy__ | dbtid: use Javac 1.5.0 |
| 18:54.01 | dbtid | so now i set JAVA_HOME = ANDROID_JAVA_HOME = /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-1.6.0.10/ |
| 18:54.03 | romainguy__ | that's what we use |
| 18:54.17 | romainguy__ | javac 1.6 should work but there's no guarantee |
| 18:54.48 | dbtid | ok, so i set JAVA_HOME = /usr/lib/jvm/java-1.5.0-gcj-4.3-1.5.0.0 |
| 18:54.54 | dbtid | and i set ANDROID_JAVA_HOME to the same |
| 18:54.55 | romainguy__ | gcj ? |
| 18:54.57 | dbtid | and I still |
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| 18:55.00 | dbtid | i don't know |
| 18:55.07 | romainguy__ | gcj is not Sun's javac |
| 18:55.13 | romainguy__ | I don't know if Android compiles with gcj |
| 18:55.23 | jbq | nope, gcj doesn't do it. |
| 18:55.30 | dbtid | well, first i set it to /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-1.6.0.10 |
| 18:55.33 | fadden | gcj libs are lacking some things. |
| 18:55.36 | blau | ugh hating this training |
| 18:55.40 | dbtid | that's JAVA_HOME and ANDROID_JAVA_HOME |
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| 18:56.06 | dbtid | well, given that i followed the instructions on source.android.com/download i didn't think i'd HAVE to get any training... |
| 18:56.16 | dbtid | now, i'm using ubuntu 8.10 not 6.x |
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| 18:56.22 | dbtid | so maybe that's the problem |
| 18:56.35 | blau | go buy a macbook |
| 18:56.41 | dbtid | heh |
| 18:56.43 | blau | no problem mon |
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| 18:58.22 | blau | i made 15 bucks from donations so far |
| 18:58.28 | blau | woop |
| 18:59.04 | `vip | what for ? |
| 18:59.17 | blau | from my market apps |
| 18:59.25 | ttuttle | nice |
| 19:00.09 | `vip | which apps are yours ? |
| 19:00.19 | `vip | sorry for my ignorance :P |
| 19:01.00 | dbtid | well, it doesn't seem to matter WHICH javac i use |
| 19:01.10 | dbtid | grr |
| 19:01.12 | dbtid | scratch that |
| 19:04.48 | dbtid | pebkac |
| 19:04.58 | jt436 | blau: which market apps are yours? |
| 19:05.09 | dbtid | ok, that got it |
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| 19:08.26 | dbtid | ok, for future reference, here's what i did: |
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| 19:08.40 | dbtid | export JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/jvm/java-6-sun-1.6.0.10 |
| 19:08.45 | dbtid | ANDROID_JAVA_HOME to same thing |
| 19:08.52 | dbtid | then export PATH=$JAVA_HOME/bin:$PATH |
| 19:08.56 | dbtid | that did it |
| 19:09.15 | dbtid | the eclipse install installed it's javac int /usr/bin |
| 19:09.17 | dbtid | *into |
| 19:11.48 | kRutOn | Anybody know why a WebView wouldn't scroll in a ViewFlipper |
| 19:11.53 | monteslu | can an android app answer a phone call and get an audio stream? |
| 19:12.01 | kRutOn | until you go to a different view in the ViewFlipper and come back |
| 19:12.12 | monteslu | was wondering if it would be possible to create a fax recipient |
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| 19:14.34 | vol | I notice in the MediaPlayer javadocs and the "How to use the MediaPlayer" page, there's a mention that code ought to check whether mp = new MediaPlayer() returns null |
| 19:14.40 | vol | since when has new ever returned null? |
| 19:14.55 | vol | is this an incredible typo, or should I seriously be checking for null returns from new MediaPlayer() |
| 19:15.56 | andyross | new never returns null, it might throw an exception, but allocation in java doesn't fail silently. |
| 19:16.11 | andyross | No doubt someone got confused with malloc(), I guess? |
| 19:16.25 | vol | ... I guess |
| 19:16.27 | vol | it's really wierd. |
| 19:16.29 | marcone | vol: which page is that? |
| 19:17.03 | vol | http://code.google.com/android/toolbox/apis/media.html |
| 19:17.06 | vol | Playing a File |
| 19:17.13 | vol | Note: It is possible that mp could be null, so good code should null check after the new. Also, IllegalArgumentException and IOException either need to be caught or passed on when using setDataSource(), since the file you are referencing may not exist. |
| 19:17.26 | marcone | yeah, that's totally bogus |
| 19:17.30 | andyross | The whole defensive-programming-must-check-all-arguments-in-code thing gets on my nerves. The java community is especially vulnerable to that, which is odd considering that Java's checked exceptions are probably the best tool for *avoiding* that sort of nonsense. |
| 19:17.31 | kRutOn | MediaPlayer.create() can return a null.. |
| 19:18.30 | kRutOn | I think that's what it's referring to |
| 19:18.43 | vol | I suppose, but that's incredibly poor placement |
| 19:18.47 | andyross | Even that sounds suspicious: you return a null to indicate something real (e.g. end of list, item not present, etc...). Returning a null from a factory function sounds like a failure to me, and failures are supposed to be exceptions. |
| 19:18.49 | kRutOn | yep |
| 19:19.36 | Impossible | d03boy: hows ircell going? |
| 19:19.55 | jbq | personally, I don't like "failures are supposed to be exceptions" |
| 19:20.39 | jbq | should have shut up instead of starting a flame war. sorry. |
| 19:20.56 | andyross | Honestly, neither do I. But even worse than a bad design is a mixed design, IMHO. Java does exceptions. Someone used to constructor utilities throwing them is going to write buggy error handling. |
| 19:21.54 | jbq | yeah, things have to be consistent. it's just that, from my point of view, there's nothing exceptional in network failures (in fact I expect the network to fail more often than it succeeds!) |
| 19:22.52 | andyross | Agreed, which is one of the reasons that low-level network code in Java tends look like insane gnomes tying knots with curly graces. |
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| 19:22.59 | andyross | er, braces |
| 19:23.06 | jbq | lol |
| 19:24.24 | vol | I've never heard it put that way |
| 19:24.43 | vol | but yeah. At least you didn't look at java code where most methods were ints, and returned error codes |
| 19:24.49 | vol | because exceptions are for losers |
| 19:25.22 | vol | who needs an actual return type; you can just pretend that you have pointers, and pass an object that contains a reference to the object you want to have returned |
| 19:27.06 | fadden | The real fun is how many ClassNotFound exceptions you have to generate when loading classes from something other than the bootstrap class loader. |
| 19:27.33 | fadden | "Do you have it?" "No, here's a nice exception." "How about you, do you have it?" "No, me neither, here's another exception." |
| 19:29.17 | vol | "How about you? Do you have it?" "No, but here's a cookie. Oops, I meant RuntimeException BLRHAFGHAFRAFRW" |
| 19:31.03 | Disconnect | wants a cookie |
| 19:31.34 | Disconnect | but at least gmail is themable :) too bad the gmail app isn't :( |
| 19:32.25 | unix_lappy | the gmail webapp isnt too terrible at all. |
| 19:33.28 | Disconnect | the stock web interface? or the mobile-browser version? |
| 19:33.42 | Disconnect | mobile browser is pretty ok. but it doesn't grok shift-click for select-range :( |
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| 19:40.20 | unix_lappy | hmm, i wonder how hard it would be / what kind of overhead would be involved with decoding xvid to h.264 on the fly to use with android media player |
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| 19:47.25 | herriojr | is there a broadcast sent out when I package gets installed or uninstalled? |
| 19:47.42 | donomo | what directory do videos need to be in for the 'Video player' to find them? |
| 19:48.07 | herriojr | donomo: what's the name of the application? |
| 19:48.15 | herriojr | donomo: I'll look it up for you |
| 19:48.21 | romainguy_ | herriojr: yes |
| 19:48.22 | donomo | herriojr: "Video Player" is the title |
| 19:49.26 | donomo | heh. i made a guess at directory "Videos" and that worked. |
| 19:50.07 | herriojr | donomo: ok |
| 19:50.20 | herriojr | donomo: I couldn't even find the application associated with it *shrugs* |
| 19:51.04 | unix_lappy | donomo: can you do video playlists? |
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| 19:51.16 | donomo | unix_lappy: i dont think so. |
| 19:51.27 | donomo | is there an eBook reader for andoird? |
| 19:51.31 | donomo | android, even. |
| 19:52.06 | unix_lappy | i would settle for a pdf / doc reader. |
| 19:52.27 | donomo | yeah, that too. |
| 19:53.13 | unix_lappy | http://bsegonnes.free.fr/multireader/en_multireader.html |
| 19:53.15 | unix_lappy | hmm |
| 19:53.56 | donomo | unix_lappy: wow thx |
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| 19:55.03 | unix_lappy | there's also google docs mobile iirc. |
| 19:56.07 | languish | T-Mobile USA, which is currently rolling out its 3G wireless network across the country, is turning to Yahoo to power its search and mobile Web portal in an effort to boost data usage. |
| 19:56.12 | languish | ugh, why |
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| 20:05.58 | Disconnect | is google working to move their bugtracker external (or to integrate better with the one that is there)? |
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| 20:11.41 | Damm | languish, because yahoo gave them money |
| 20:12.09 | Damm | that and infospace might be pissing them off |
| 20:12.16 | Damm | languish, any url for reference on that? |
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| 20:19.00 | Disconnect | its all over. i think ig ot it from tmonews |
| 20:19.32 | jbq | Disconnect: (scrolling back) yes, bug-tracking for the android open-source project will be moving to a place where it's accessible by everyone. |
| 20:20.00 | Disconnect | cool deal |
| 20:20.41 | Disconnect | i hoped so but some projects/companies prefer to do internal/external systems and 'approved' bugs disappear until they get marked fixed.. |
| 20:21.06 | jbq | ... and the consequences are, predictably, disastrous. |
| 20:21.34 | jbq | (because you can't have a community if people don't use common tools). |
| 20:24.07 | languish | Damm http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-10103900-94.html |
| 20:27.16 | thoraxe | languish: why damn? |
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| 20:28.14 | languish | thoraxe, check the channel userlist :| |
| 20:28.24 | languish | I didn't type damn |
| 20:28.30 | languish | I typed damm |
| 20:28.39 | languish | :) |
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| 20:31.02 | dd94300 | i have emulator running and adb shell gives error:device not found |
| 20:32.29 | fadden | "adb devices" should show you the emulator |
| 20:32.44 | fadden | You can try "adb kill-server" to remove stale instances of the adb server that runs on your machine. |
| 20:33.55 | dd94300 | tried that still same error |
| 20:34.26 | brocktice | I just noticed that the G1 fits perfectly in my little wireframe business card holder. |
| 20:34.34 | brocktice | I think I found a stand for watching movies on the plane etc. |
| 20:34.35 | fadden | dd94300: you running on Linux? |
| 20:34.48 | dd94300 | yes ubuntu 8.04 |
| 20:34.57 | brocktice | (In landscape mode, particularly) |
| 20:35.20 | fadden | Does "netstat -a | grep 5554" show anything? |
| 20:35.59 | dd94300 | tcp 0 0 localhost:5554 *:* LISTEN |
| 20:37.02 | fadden | I don't know why "adb" isn't seeing it. |
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| 20:52.26 | ttuttle | San-G1: Greetings. |
| 20:52.33 | ttuttle | Hey, does anyone know of a good IRC client for the G1 yet? |
| 20:52.45 | morrildl | ttuttle: apparently San does? |
| 20:53.07 | ttuttle | morrildl: Yeah, it appears. |
| 20:53.22 | mmattice | or he's proxying somehow :) |
| 20:53.44 | brocktice | Yeah, more likely he's tethered. |
| 20:54.28 | mmattice | ttuttle: connectbot->screen->irssi ;) |
| 20:54.53 | jasta | thats what ive been using :) |
| 20:55.05 | brocktice | That wouldn't explain the .tmodns.net |
| 20:55.15 | ttuttle | mmattice: That's what I've been using too. |
| 20:55.24 | brocktice | Oh, nm I see what you were saying |
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| 20:58.26 | Blice | hurra, irssi on the phone |
| 20:58.46 | Blice | Good purchase. |
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| 21:05.54 | spikebike | purchasE? |
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| 21:17.09 | savid | Wow, I had GPS turned on and my battery went from full to empty (while idle) within 3 hrs |
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| 21:21.06 | jasta | that surprises you? |
| 21:21.35 | DarkriftX | damn, his internal nuclear and wind power facilities must have broken down |
| 21:25.00 | mikey | :(, should be doing my flash project, keep on ending up fixing stuff for my android app |
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| 21:30.41 | grey- | so silly question; I haven't seen an irc client in the marketplace yet, has someone released one? |
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| 21:31.46 | mikey | someone here mentioned they would release one around friday iirc |
| 21:31.53 | grey- | cool. |
| 21:31.54 | mikey | mine is still not ready |
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| 22:02.38 | savid | jasta, yeah that surprises me. My last phone had assisted GPS and I never had to disable it.. never drained my battery that quick |
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| 22:04.03 | DarkriftX | this isnt just agps though, right? |
| 22:04.29 | jasta | savid: well, the G1 can get your location without GPS, and in fact, i think GPS is default off |
| 22:04.33 | wastrel | it is |
| 22:04.36 | jasta | there are lots of ways to get your location |
| 22:05.09 | mmattice | a reasonable approximation of your location, within the confines of the radius of the closest cell tower |
| 22:05.41 | savid | so, is the g1 gps /not/ agps? |
| 22:06.06 | savid | if it is, I still don't see why it would suck my battery like that |
| 22:06.32 | ttuttle | GPS requires a fairly sensitive radio receiver. |
| 22:06.40 | mmattice | gps chipset is a power hog |
| 22:06.45 | savid | my last phone (helio ocean) had agps as well, and it would go at least a day and a half before I had to recharge it. |
| 22:06.52 | jbq | The G1 GPS is a fully functional GPS unit that can work on its own without any pre-loaded data or network information. |
| 22:07.15 | savid | jbq, ah, I guess that would explain it |
| 22:07.27 | ttuttle | jbq: remind me... does it, as used in the g1, grab satellite data over the network? |
| 22:07.45 | wastrel | agps i thought was from the cell tower |
| 22:07.57 | wastrel | while gps is getting signal from satellites |
| 22:08.05 | DarkriftX | correct (from what ive read) |
| 22:08.07 | ttuttle | wastrel: no |
| 22:08.08 | savid | I was under the impression that agps used both real GPS and cell towers |
| 22:08.17 | jbq | ttuttle: I believe that under some circumstances if can get some data from the network instead of downloading it over the GPS link, which speeds up computing your location. |
| 22:08.19 | savid | trots off to wikipedia |
| 22:08.26 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 22:08.33 | jbq | I'm not an expert in the detailed implementation. |
| 22:08.34 | ttuttle | wastrel: agps uses some external data (cell tower location or satellite positions) to help the gps receiver. |
| 22:08.47 | DarkriftX | yeah |
| 22:08.58 | DarkriftX | the agps reads data from cell towers to make the gps work faster |
| 22:09.02 | DarkriftX | isnt that what was just said? |
| 22:09.15 | ttuttle | wastrel: there's also a wimpy version where the phone *requires* a network connection -- it just records the satellite signals and sends them to a server for processing. |
| 22:09.44 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: agps on the g1 doesn't use cell towers. it pulls satellite position data from a server. |
| 22:09.45 | wastrel | i stand correcte |
| 22:10.05 | DarkriftX | from a server, but how does it connect to the server? |
| 22:10.07 | jasta | yay, it's snowing finally! |
| 22:10.12 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - so is your magiic mythical phone using AT&T"s 3G freqs? |
| 22:10.46 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: no, it's a t-mobile g1. it doesn't get 3g on at&t. |
| 22:10.55 | jasta | which makes it useless |
| 22:10.56 | jasta | :) |
| 22:11.01 | ttuttle | jasta: no it doesn't. |
| 22:11.04 | jasta | the g1 on edge fuckin sucks |
| 22:11.07 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - oh, I thought you mentioned the radio was unlocked or whatever |
| 22:11.13 | ttuttle | jasta: edge is decent, and i have wifi in most places. |
| 22:11.22 | jasta | RyeBrye: this isnt a locking issue, the G1's radio doesnt support the frequencies used by AT&T |
| 22:11.25 | KNY | jasta, it's better than no g1 on edge, but yeah, it sucks not having 3G |
| 22:11.28 | jasta | RyeBrye: it cant be magically made to support them either |
| 22:11.38 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: sure. that lets it use an at&t sim. it's still not physically capable of using at&t 3g freqs. |
| 22:11.42 | RyeBrye | jasta - I wasn't sure how magica it was :) |
| 22:11.46 | savid | yeah, I've got my phone set to use edge, I rarely need to enable 3G when I have wifi around |
| 22:11.52 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - so it's a sim-unlocked radio then |
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| 22:11.59 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - but not necessarily a security unlocked one? |
| 22:12.00 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: precisely |
| 22:12.00 | savid | esp. w/ free t-mobile hotspots (though I haven't tried that yet) |
| 22:12.09 | jasta | RyeBrye: in this case, not at all. its hardware doesn't and can't work on AT&T 3G. |
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| 22:12.14 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: oh, it's security unlocked too (unlocked bootloader) |
| 22:12.33 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: those are two independent unlocks, and i have both. |
| 22:12.38 | DarkriftX | is there a way to map out tmo hotspots? |
| 22:12.40 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - unlocked bootloader doesn't necessarily imply security unlocked, unless it really says... nm |
| 22:12.53 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - How much for your phone! :) I'll give it back in a day, I promise! :) |
| 22:13.10 | RyeBrye | make that... an hour! |
| 22:13.24 | DarkriftX | better yet, just run a couple commands for us and send the output files to us |
| 22:13.43 | RyeBrye | doubts he'll be into that :) |
| 22:13.57 | DarkriftX | but you think he would send his phone somewhere :S |
| 22:14.08 | RyeBrye | I was kidding - but if he was game, I'd go with it :) |
| 22:14.11 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 22:14.45 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Sorry, I signed an NDA. I've got confidential builds on here. |
| 22:14.46 | DarkriftX | google would assasinate him |
| 22:14.52 | ttuttle | == DarkriftX |
| 22:14.57 | romainguy_ | we have a team of ninjas following ttuttle at all time |
| 22:15.02 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 22:15.03 | RyeBrye | damn ninjas! |
| 22:15.05 | ttuttle | romainguy_: =D |
| 22:15.06 | DarkriftX | i want that job lol |
| 22:15.18 | DarkriftX | i want special darts to throw at ppl |
| 22:15.21 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: lol |
| 22:15.41 | DarkriftX | oooh, he gave out a secret! *tosses dart* *dart hits mans eye* |
| 22:15.48 | ttuttle | lol |
| 22:15.49 | DarkriftX | dissapears into darkness again |
| 22:16.06 | RyeBrye | has no interest in the builds on the phone, just the bootloader itself |
| 22:16.16 | DarkriftX | is off to get daughter from the bus stop |
| 22:16.23 | RyeBrye | but I guess the NDA probably goes up the channel to HTC crap on the phone too :( |
| 22:16.51 | RyeBrye | So the bootloader says "security unlocked' explicitly? Because just having fastboot is not the same as having a security unlocked phone... :( |
| 22:16.54 | cmonex | ttuttle |
| 22:16.56 | RyeBrye | gets jealous, and changes the subject |
| 22:17.05 | cmonex | when you say "unlocked bootloader" |
| 22:17.07 | cmonex | did you mean |
| 22:17.14 | cmonex | unlocked radio bootloader OR unlocked hboot |
| 22:17.16 | cmonex | ? |
| 22:17.25 | RyeBrye | is not the only jealous person, apparently :) |
| 22:17.30 | ttuttle | cmonex: er, what's the radio bootloader? |
| 22:17.36 | cmonex | ttuttle: what the name says :) |
| 22:17.42 | ttuttle | cmonex: my hboot lets me flash anything over USB. |
| 22:17.43 | jbq | he means the version of hboot that allows to reflash most of the phone over USB. |
| 22:17.48 | cmonex | ttuttle: does it have a string "Security unlocked" in bootloader mode? |
| 22:18.00 | cmonex | jbq: the shipped hboot is capable of that too |
| 22:18.02 | ttuttle | i don't think so. it just is :) |
| 22:18.05 | cmonex | er not over usb |
| 22:18.08 | cmonex | just over sd |
| 22:18.14 | cmonex | it can see files named DREAIMG.NBH |
| 22:18.22 | cmonex | (just must be in right format i guess :P ) |
| 22:18.26 | RyeBrye | now if only we could find such a NBH file |
| 22:18.29 | ttuttle | yeah, but the production one checks signatures. mine doesn't. |
| 22:18.34 | RyeBrye | goes to Taiwan |
| 22:18.36 | cmonex | ttuttle ok then your radio bootloader is not unlocked, bad luck there. |
| 22:18.44 | swetland | the engineering bootloader allows flashing of *unsigned* boot.img, recovery.img, system, etc partitions via fastboot protocol on usb |
| 22:18.45 | cmonex | but easy to test if it is |
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| 22:19.08 | RyeBrye | swetland - but the eng bootloader doesn't allow flashing of unsigned radio.img, right? |
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| 22:19.16 | ttuttle | swetland: feel free to shoot me if I'm saying too much. |
| 22:19.20 | cmonex | in android run radiooptions 3 then connect to radio via minicom (on the g1 still), and try issuing some commands trhat are ovnly aailable to unlocked radio bootloader |
| 22:19.25 | swetland | ryebrye: yup, that actually depends on the radio image |
| 22:19.32 | cmonex | RyeBrye: it's not something the hboot controls. |
| 22:19.45 | cmonex | the radio bootloader controls the signing requirement of radio.img |
| 22:19.53 | cmonex | well actually the security unlock flag is what controls this :) |
| 22:19.53 | swetland | cmonex: yup |
| 22:20.14 | cmonex | one small bit somewhere in radio nand is what decides all :) |
| 22:20.17 | RyeBrye | Is it possible that a phone would ever be released in the retail channel with the engineering bootloader still on it? |
| 22:20.21 | swetland | as far as the radio bootloader, signing, flashing, security, etc. that's all HTC's dept |
| 22:20.37 | cmonex | swetland: yes, i noticed it is totally standard htc radio bootloader |
| 22:20.38 | RyeBrye | as in - not officially, but accidentally? |
| 22:20.44 | cmonex | (when disasembling radio.img) |
| 22:21.14 | swetland | cmonex: makes sense to me. might as well keep using what works for them |
| 22:21.23 | cmonex | yeah :) |
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| 22:21.37 | jbq | woah, code re-use :) |
| 22:21.41 | swetland | rye: I think it would be pretty unlikely for a tmo g1 to ship commercially with an eng bootloader |
| 22:21.48 | RyeBrye | swetland - yeah, that's what I thought :) |
| 22:21.50 | cmonex | jbq: very heavy code reuse in hboot too apparently :) |
| 22:21.59 | cmonex | the shipped hboot can detect DREAIMG.NBH on SD |
| 22:22.04 | cmonex | just like any other htc bootloader |
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| 22:22.27 | RyeBrye | cmonex - well - the name changes per phone, right? |
| 22:22.46 | cmonex | of course |
| 22:22.54 | cmonex | the first 4 chars are from the phone's modelid |
| 22:23.00 | cmonex | for dream that's DREA |
| 22:23.06 | cmonex | you can see DREA100 on tricolour screen yes? |
| 22:23.14 | cmonex | that's also standard htc stuff, thats your modelid |
| 22:23.19 | RyeBrye | swetland - I know of a person who got a retail G1 that has an engineering bootloader, I was just wondering how lucky he was :) |
| 22:23.25 | cmonex | and the tricolour screen thing itself is again standard =) |
| 22:23.35 | cmonex | yes, swetland: i talked to this guy and i couldnt believe it |
| 22:23.47 | cmonex | he showed us photos of the eng hboot screen |
| 22:24.06 | cmonex | he had a normal g1 then it died and tmobile changed it to another g1 and thats the special one |
| 22:24.21 | RyeBrye | wonders if he should pray his G1 dies and gets resurrected as an engineering device as well |
| 22:24.25 | cmonex | lol |
| 22:24.38 | cmonex | just dump the goddamn hboot off his :P |
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| 22:24.42 | jbq | a hammer can take care of the first part. |
| 22:24.55 | RyeBrye | jbq - good thinking. |
| 22:24.57 | RyeBrye | reaches for hamer |
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| 22:25.55 | jbq | if only half of my prayers could have such easy solutions ;-) |
| 22:26.48 | RyeBrye | jbq - for each prayer with complex solution, create new prayer with trivial solutions... your wish would be granted! ;) |
| 22:27.18 | jbq | RyeBrye: lol. |
| 22:28.29 | eldenz | lol |
| 22:30.15 | wastrel | i'm praying for fbreader to get fixed |
| 22:30.34 | RyeBrye | yeah, that might be a while - is it oss? |
| 22:30.46 | wastrel | gpl sortof |
| 22:30.49 | RyeBrye | then.... stop waiting and start coding! |
| 22:30.53 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 22:30.56 | wastrel | ok first i will learn java |
| 22:31.02 | wastrel | talk to you in 6 months |
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| 22:32.31 | lasko_ | knock knock |
| 22:32.50 | dd94300 | fadden: r u still here? |
| 22:32.51 | RyeBrye | wastrel - I hear you can do it in 24 hours... http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0672316307/rye-20 ;) |
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| 22:33.24 | kRutOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:33.25 | RyeBrye | wastrel - or maybe 21 days: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00008CM4M/rye-20 |
| 22:33.42 | RyeBrye | I suppose you could combine the two and learn it twice in 21.8 days |
| 22:34.21 | wastrel | i did download and build the source |
| 22:34.40 | RyeBrye | kRutOn - yep, it does. So if he buys that $2.00 book I'd get $.08! :) |
| 22:34.48 | wastrel | should put it in git and start hacking i suppose |
| 22:35.02 | kRutOn | did you try pressing yourself against the source code and learning by osmosis? :-) |
| 22:35.03 | wastrel | i can't possibly make it worse |
| 22:35.20 | kRutOn | wastrel: oh! snap |
| 22:35.35 | osmosis | yah |
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| 22:35.52 | wastrel | heh i mean if it's in source control i can always roll back to status quo |
| 22:36.45 | fadden | dd94300: whassup? |
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| 22:43.58 | dd94300 | fadden: nothing much, i just wanted to thank you for ur help earlier........ |
| 22:44.10 | fadden | You get it working? |
| 22:44.15 | dd94300 | yeah |
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| 22:44.29 | fadden | Hooray! |
| 22:44.31 | savid | I wonder if we'll ever be able to write apps in python |
| 22:44.46 | lasko_ | savid: that would be nice |
| 22:44.47 | fadden | I wonder if we should ever write apps in python |
| 22:45.05 | savid | likes him some python |
| 22:45.25 | fadden | I have concerns about the performance, but perhaps I'm misguided. |
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| 22:48.04 | mib_st7n6psx | would it be possible to dual boot windows mobile and android on a device? |
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| 22:57.23 | wastrel | haret i think has booted android yes? |
| 22:57.33 | wastrel | i don't really pay attention but i think someone mentioned it |
| 22:58.33 | grey- | mib_st7n6psx: I believe many people did that on other arm/windows mobile devices before the g1 was released. |
| 22:58.40 | grey- | mib_st7n6psx: I'm not sure if anyone has bothered to do that on the g1. |
| 22:58.49 | grey- | but I know people have worked on doing so. |
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| 23:11.59 | falstaff | Hello |
| 23:12.16 | falstaff | I try to implement a wake on lan function in my application |
| 23:13.02 | falstaff | I found an implementation for wol for java, which works on my laptop (even over wlan). Does anybody have any idea why this is not working under android? |
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| 23:13.06 | falstaff | this is my code: http://www.pastebin.ca/1263160 |
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| 23:13.40 | mib_st7n6psx | i assumed the people that booted android on other devices had flashed the whole device so it could no longer boot windows mobile (until it was reflashed) |
| 23:14.16 | romainguy_ | falstaff: do you have the INTERNET permission? |
| 23:14.45 | eldenz | /the/ falstaff? |
| 23:15.37 | eldenz | nope, weirdly you are from switzerland as well, i know someone whose nick is Falstaff from ch |
| 23:16.00 | falstaff | romainguy_: yep |
| 23:16.24 | falstaff | <uses-permission android:name="android.permission.INTERNET" /> under the tag manifest |
| 23:16.54 | romainguy_ | then I don't know |
| 23:16.59 | falstaff | the falstaff? are there more than one? :-D |
| 23:17.00 | romainguy_ | are you trying over WiFi? |
| 23:17.19 | eldenz | (on quakenet :) ) |
| 23:17.34 | andyross | You're sending the WoL packets *to* the laptop, right? If you do it with the laptop on, do you see them arriving in tcpdump (or wireshark, etc..) |
| 23:17.43 | falstaff | eldenz: ah cool :-) now i know who is stealing my default login on every site :-D |
| 23:17.51 | raidfive | Does anyone know where the following file is in the git repo (or if it is even public): com.google.android.mms.pdu.PduPersister ? |
| 23:17.51 | eldenz | hehe |
| 23:20.23 | falstaff | romainguy_: yes wlan is defintly on... |
| 23:21.27 | falstaff | andyross: i send it to my pc, which is not a laptop. Pc is on wire, and wol generaly works with this pc. I tried this java implementation on my laptop, which is connected over wlan => generally wol should work over wlan... |
| 23:21.42 | falstaff | But from android, it doesnt seems to work... |
| 23:22.34 | andyross | yes, but does it work because you're not getting the packets to the desktop, or because you're sending the wrong packets? Thus the question about tcpdump/wireshark on the target box. |
| 23:22.43 | falstaff | Laptop =WLAN=> PC, works, Android =WLAN=> PC doesnt work |
| 23:23.29 | grey- | I think wireless wol is not ubiquitous. |
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| 23:23.42 | grey- | probably very chipset, driver, os dependent. |
| 23:24.32 | falstaff | andyross: hm, i didn't tried that one... so you think wol packages should be visible on the target pc with wireshark when target pc is running? |
| 23:24.50 | andyross | Why would they not be? :) |
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| 23:25.46 | falstaff | grey-: this is what i suspect too... |
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| 23:27.03 | grey- | there's definitely wake on lan, serial, irda. |
| 23:27.17 | grey- | but wifi chipsets are pretty power hungry. |
| 23:28.26 | elad | Hmm I should test the wattage of mine |
| 23:28.31 | grey- | could certainly be useful. |
| 23:28.41 | grey- | here's a proposal for use in mesh networks using a soekris: http://www2006.org/programme/files/xhtml/5506/5506-mishra/5506-mishra.html |
| 23:28.45 | grey- | from 2006. |
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| 23:29.46 | mib_tywaxw | :( |
| 23:29.46 | grey- | but it looks like some chipsets do have provisions that support it |
| 23:29.46 | grey- | depending on firmware. |
| 23:30.03 | grey- | and presumably android could be hacked in to support that feature if the chipset does. |
| 23:31.09 | andyross | I think we're talking about different things here, though. falstaff (I think) is trying to wake up a desktop box on a wired network from his phone. Identical code (?) running on a laptop JVM via the same network the phone is on works successfully. Am I right? |
| 23:31.30 | falstaff | okey, i tried it: Wireshark on target machine, packages from laptop are visible, packages from emulator and g1 doesn't arrive... |
| 23:32.16 | romainguy_ | the emulator doesn't support UDP if I recall correctly |
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| 23:32.38 | falstaff | andyross: Identical code yes, via JVM via the same network, and the phone is on yes, wlan is connected... |
| 23:33.17 | falstaff | romainguy_: yeah, i expected that it is not working in emulator.... |
| 23:33.40 | DarkriftX | i wish someone would work on porting android to an axim x51 |
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| 23:33.49 | DarkriftX | im tired of winmo |
| 23:33.57 | falstaff | But on the hardware.... :-/ |
| 23:34.16 | falstaff | can i do something like ifconfig on android? |
| 23:35.23 | spikebike | yeah it's called... |
| 23:35.25 | spikebike | ifconfig |
| 23:35.37 | fadden | "adb shell ifconfig lo" |
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| 23:36.01 | falstaff | spikebike: but i need root or what? |
| 23:36.09 | falstaff | ah |
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| 23:37.50 | falstaff | and which one is wlan? wlan0, eth0, ath0 doesnt work |
| 23:38.23 | fadden | Might be rmnet0 |
| 23:39.17 | falstaff | fadden: yes this exists, but i've another ip there than i have in my wlan... |
| 23:39.37 | falstaff | fadden: is this somehow nat-ed locally?? |
| 23:40.13 | fadden | I don't know. I was digging through /proc to try to answer the "which interface" question for myself. |
| 23:41.00 | fadden | Looks like tiwlan0 gets added when WiFi is enabled. |
| 23:41.29 | fadden | (see e.g. /proc/sys/net/ipv4/neigh) |
| 23:42.55 | falstaff | yeah this works... ok, android is definitly in the right lan, same network... |
| 23:45.37 | falstaff | So whats the conclusion? Where can i get further help? |
| 23:45.46 | fadden | On? |
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| 23:47.06 | falstaff | that this wake on lan doesnt works... |
| 23:47.40 | falstaff | Should i post to android-internals, because it could be a driver problem? |
| 23:47.48 | fadden | Well, either you can send packets to the machine or you can't. Can you establish a TCP connection to the machine? |
| 23:47.54 | plusminus_ | anyone usign VeeCheck in his app ? |
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| 23:48.57 | falstaff | fadden, yes this works |
| 23:49.11 | fadden | And that doesn't wake the machine? |
| 23:49.14 | falstaff | i connect through tcp to that machine |
| 23:49.28 | falstaff | but wol doesnt arrive |
| 23:49.40 | falstaff | no |
| 23:49.49 | falstaff | for wol you need specifig packages |
| 23:49.51 | falstaff | see http://www.pastebin.ca/1263160 |
| 23:49.57 | falstaff | this is my code |
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| 23:50.52 | fadden | Do you know if you can exchange UDP traffic with the target machine? |
| 23:51.17 | falstaff | fadden, no, i didn't tried this... |
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| 23:52.12 | falstaff | but udp should work generally, its used for dns... i've no internal/desktop firewall or something like this... |
| 23:53.22 | falstaff | I think this is a restriction of the network driver in android.... |
| 23:54.10 | falstaff | When you look at the code, there is a DatagramPacket and DatagramSocket needed, which maybe is not (fully) supported |
| 23:55.07 | andyross | Destination address is 192.168.240.255 -- is the broadcast address set up properly on the phone interface? |
| 23:56.05 | falstaff | ifconfig says only this: |
| 23:56.14 | falstaff | tiwlan0: ip 192.168.240.176 mask 255.255.255.0 flags [up broadcast running multicast] |
| 23:56.28 | falstaff | but with mask, broadcast should be calculated correctly... |
| 23:57.04 | andyross | That's not automatic though. Inverting the netmask to get the broadcast address is only a convention. |
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| 23:58.15 | andyross | I'm not in a wlan right now, but I see (using busybox's ifconfig): |
| 23:58.15 | andyross | rmnet0 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 92:CA:D5:F1:9A:A6 |
| 23:58.15 | andyross | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.15 | andyross | [...] |
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