| 00:01.04 | spikebike | htc touch hd |
| 00:01.36 | danfuzz | though keep in mind that 2x pixels doesn't mean 2x the area. |
| 00:01.50 | spikebike | ya |
| 00:02.08 | spikebike | just nicer fonts, more paper like |
| 00:02.20 | danfuzz | yeah |
| 00:02.38 | spikebike | imagine characters more than 1 pixel thick |
| 00:04.20 | geist | dares to dream |
| 00:04.21 | Damm | okay, I have to ask... how does my G1 know my location by my Wifi |
| 00:04.36 | Damm | all my wifi has in it is 'Seattle, WA' as my location and my email address |
| 00:04.41 | Damm | that's so puzzling |
| 00:04.47 | Damm | I'm not talking a large blue blob |
| 00:04.57 | Damm | it's showing the radius of my wifi as the blue blob and it's tiny |
| 00:05.10 | RyeBrye | Damm - The NSA? |
| 00:05.19 | Damm | RyeBrye, seriously i'm thinking that. |
| 00:05.33 | tech9iner | polls for raised hands of those whom have tried tethering g1's to laptops? |
| 00:05.41 | RyeBrye | Damm - so it's more specific than just geolocation based on your wifi's public IP? |
| 00:05.45 | danfuzz | i think it makes associations between wifi macids and gps when both are available |
| 00:05.56 | danfuzz | unsure though |
| 00:06.04 | Damm | RyeBrye, my public IP doesn't know more then my geoip |
| 00:06.08 | Damm | which is the greater seattle area |
| 00:06.48 | RyeBrye | danfuzz - and then it sends both those values to the NSA... I think I saw it in the source under stalkTerroristWifiUsers( ) ;) |
| 00:06.58 | danfuzz | heh |
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| 00:09.36 | Damm | at one point I stored my lat/long in my blog |
| 00:09.41 | Damm | but I haven't done that in ages. |
| 00:16.09 | Guest47569 | any body have info on unpacking a .apk |
| 00:16.46 | danfuzz | it's just a zipfile |
| 00:17.05 | danfuzz | so: unzip blort.apk |
| 00:17.06 | Guest47569 | use it with winzip? |
| 00:17.10 | Guest47569 | or 7zip |
| 00:17.40 | danfuzz | i don't use windows, but anything that can read standard zipfiles should work |
| 00:18.41 | Guest47569 | ok im really new at this but im diving in... how do i open .dex and other files |
| 00:19.17 | danfuzz | dex is the executable format. you don't generally open it, but you could always hexdump it |
| 00:19.26 | danfuzz | or use the "dexdump" tool |
| 00:19.30 | geist | i think dex files are actually random data, used to give you the illusion of actually running something on the device |
| 00:19.33 | danfuzz | what are you trying to do? |
| 00:19.37 | Andomic | is there a workaround that would allow me to stream online media that uses flash? |
| 00:19.48 | geist | in reality, dalvik knows what you want and directly inserts it into your brain |
| 00:19.52 | Guest47569 | ok the g1 came out with the tetherbit |
| 00:19.54 | Guest47569 | bit |
| 00:19.59 | Guest47569 | bot |
| 00:20.02 | Guest47569 | anywho |
| 00:20.12 | danfuzz | heh, geist |
| 00:20.19 | Guest47569 | rc30 came out and aparently its not working anymore |
| 00:20.43 | danfuzz | sorry, i can't help you there |
| 00:21.05 | Guest47569 | blehh... thanks anyways |
| 00:21.31 | Guest47569 | all i really wanna know how to do is open the .apk so i can see how the guy coded it |
| 00:21.54 | Guest47569 | just some kind of something so i can see how it works |
| 00:23.39 | danfuzz | well you won't find source code |
| 00:23.53 | danfuzz | but dexdump can show you the disassembly |
| 00:24.07 | danfuzz | you'll have to learn dalvik bytecode, though |
| 00:24.35 | danfuzz | that's documented in the source tree in <platform/dalvik/docs> |
| 00:27.49 | RyeBrye | I write my stuff straight in dalvik bytecode anyway |
| 00:28.14 | danfuzz | rock on! |
| 00:28.22 | RyeBrye | well... maybe not :) But I thought about it :) |
| 00:28.31 | danfuzz | aww |
| 00:28.44 | RyeBrye | maybe I'll write a Hello World or something |
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| 00:29.07 | danfuzz | every time someone codes in dalvik bytecode, an angel gets his wings |
| 00:35.33 | tech9iner | is there ANY work arounds for downloading via 3g files unrestricted.. ? or is this practically impossible without major hacks? |
| 00:36.07 | tech9iner | is still taken aback that g1 has such restrictive net access |
| 00:36.22 | RyeBrye | I think it just needs to have something in the system registered to be able to handle the MIME type - so talking to the people who write a file manager like Glance and asking them to register file handlers for stuff would probably do it |
| 00:36.41 | RyeBrye | I think the reason they don't have it just download arbitrary files is because the system was designed to not require a file manager |
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| 00:54.04 | jammr | Am I just stupid or can you not connect an OnClickListener to an ImageButton? :/ |
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| 00:54.56 | d03boy | you're just stupid |
| 00:57.06 | jackalopen | ask 499 more times and you might find out. |
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| 01:56.32 | Hiro2 | how can I fix my android when its running slow..? |
| 01:56.47 | Hiro2 | Or how do i check how much memory i have on my phone? not storage card |
| 01:58.58 | Damm | lol, you don't know how to do that by now? |
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| 01:59.12 | Hiro2 | nope |
| 01:59.35 | Hiro2 | nvm |
| 01:59.37 | Hiro2 | found it |
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| 01:59.57 | Hiro2 | 36MB available, so why will my phone be lagging when opening messages? |
| 02:00.37 | Damm | too many apps open |
| 02:00.38 | Damm | restart it |
| 02:01.33 | Hiro2 | any other reason? |
| 02:01.42 | Hiro2 | and btw no apps will install on sd card right? so there's always a limit of how much app we can download? |
| 02:02.05 | Damm | clear your browser cache |
| 02:02.10 | Damm | and no you cannot install apps on your sd card |
| 02:02.48 | KNY | (yet) |
| 02:03.02 | Damm | KNY, I'll believe it when I see it. |
| 02:03.23 | Hiro2 | how do i clear cache? |
| 02:03.23 | RyeBrye | I think it will be a while until that happens |
| 02:03.29 | KNY | I don't think it's a lie or anything, I just won't be holding my breath |
| 02:03.39 | KNY | Hiro2, browser settings |
| 02:03.44 | mib_cufg4x | anyone in manhattan up for yakitori and drinks around st marks? bs over android, like whatever |
| 02:03.46 | mib_cufg4x | s/like/life |
| 02:03.47 | Damm | KNY, pretty much what you just said is my opinion |
| 02:04.11 | Hiro2 | KNY: thank you |
| 02:04.36 | RyeBrye | I think what will happen is that future android phones will have a decent amount of internal flash, so nobody else will care except for G1 users |
| 02:05.07 | mib_cufg4x | that's just cruel to g1 users |
| 02:05.10 | Hiro2 | mib: wow yakitori sounds very good right now... |
| 02:05.13 | Damm | RyeBrye, the more NAND ram you have the more power it consumes |
| 02:05.25 | Damm | RyeBrye, so if you have 512meg you have a lesser battery life |
| 02:05.38 | d03boy | hm |
| 02:05.41 | KNY | Damm, less than the G1? does it have enough juice to boot? ;) |
| 02:06.40 | Damm | KNY, the G1 has 256meg? I think |
| 02:06.44 | Damm | I forget |
| 02:06.51 | KNY | Damm, that was a rip on the G1's battery life |
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| 02:07.11 | mib_cufg4x | Hiro2, yeah one of our japanese friends will be joining us. gonna be a fun night even with the rain |
| 02:07.11 | Yakitoriman | there |
| 02:07.13 | d03boy | it takes power to run your multiplexors! |
| 02:07.29 | Damm | KNY, ahh |
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| 02:07.45 | tech9iner | ugh.. |
| 02:08.00 | Damm | I reached 6days standby on my Sony Ericsson Z750a |
| 02:08.08 | Damm | however my G1... lasts 2-days tops |
| 02:08.21 | tech9iner | so mates.. htf does one get all ones data from one g1 to a replacement g1.. /me was asking 2 days here for true backup.. |
| 02:08.24 | RyeBrye | Damm - you get 2 days? WTF? What are you doing to get such awesome battery life? |
| 02:08.35 | tech9iner | i just swapped out my phone & lotsa contacts & call logs etc are all gone.. |
| 02:08.36 | RyeBrye | Damm - Mine wont last more than overnight if i don't have it plugged in |
| 02:08.39 | Damm | RyeBrye, 0 talk time... only use it for text |
| 02:08.51 | RyeBrye | I have brightness on 0 too |
| 02:08.58 | tech9iner | htf does one move A L L data over to new g1 from old g1 please? |
| 02:09.02 | Damm | wifi is turned off |
| 02:09.07 | RyeBrye | ALthough I think some piece of shit app is making my GPS be polled constantly |
| 02:09.10 | Damm | no background apps running cept messaging |
| 02:09.19 | RyeBrye | I can't figure out what the hell is doing it - I think it might be pintail |
| 02:09.30 | Damm | gps should be off unless the app is in foreground |
| 02:09.31 | Damm | i thought |
| 02:09.39 | RyeBrye | Yeah, you would htink |
| 02:09.46 | RyeBrye | Right now it's not doing it |
| 02:10.10 | RyeBrye | but I completely reloaded my phone and I haven't launched pintail on it yet |
| 02:10.30 | Damm | I barely have anything on mine cept a few games |
| 02:10.32 | Damm | unloaded Locale |
| 02:10.45 | RyeBrye | Locale is a cool idea |
| 02:10.46 | Damm | vibrate + ring at the highest volume, all I get is nagios text messages |
| 02:10.58 | Damm | yeah I was trying to track down what was causing my phone to not wake me at night |
| 02:11.06 | Damm | just switched nagios to send to my gmail instead |
| 02:11.17 | Damm | i may hard reset it, and create a custom gmail just for nagios |
| 02:11.36 | Damm | gmail = faster then mms/text. |
| 02:11.56 | RyeBrye | your nagios is sending SMS through an email gateway? |
| 02:11.57 | Damm | and it works over wifi/etc |
| 02:12.04 | Damm | yep |
| 02:12.07 | RyeBrye | Yeah, that is slow |
| 02:12.21 | RyeBrye | SMS from a straight up SMSC gateway is super fast - but it costs per each message you send |
| 02:13.09 | RyeBrye | I'm working on an on-call notification system for doctors right now and we use SMS as one of the notfication methods... it's so fast that we can get replies up on the screen in the ED before the doctors phone has even registered it is done sending the message |
| 02:13.17 | RyeBrye | I was amazed to see it work that fast |
| 02:14.17 | Damm | well it's in a datacenter |
| 02:14.24 | Damm | so to a SMSC isn't really worth while |
| 02:14.33 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: heh, as compared to other messaging protocols that operate on basic IP ;-P where the lag is an extra 100ms. |
| 02:14.36 | RyeBrye | Yeah, doing straight email make sense |
| 02:14.40 | unix_infidel | and 100x cheaper. |
| 02:14.50 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - you are right |
| 02:15.01 | Damm | well we have unlimited text/mms |
| 02:15.05 | Damm | so we don't care about cost |
| 02:15.21 | Damm | company ponied up a bunch of G1's with 5k minutes and unlim data/text/mms |
| 02:15.22 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - but we don't buy the phones for the doctors, and sms is a lot easier to support across all phones than IP-based stuff |
| 02:15.25 | unix_infidel | Damm: he's setting up a system, which will require cost of setting up a messaging service. |
| 02:15.34 | Hiro2 | mib: it'll be 1+ japanese friend if i go, lol |
| 02:15.49 | Hiro2 | ah he's not here |
| 02:15.51 | Damm | unix_infidel, honestly i don't think i've ever done to an SMSC... there's usually a modem involved and dialing up |
| 02:15.56 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - the cost of each message could be 100x higher than it is, and it still would beirrelevant |
| 02:16.01 | Damm | and it's just not available on non 250+ line accounts with t-mobile |
| 02:16.09 | Damm | if memory serves |
| 02:16.26 | Damm | I forget what the service is called off the top of my head, but it's a 9600 baud modem that you just dialup to and send a text message thru |
| 02:16.42 | RyeBrye | Yeah, we outsource our sms stuff though - so we don't have the smsc connection ourselves |
| 02:17.18 | RyeBrye | SMS isn't the end-all be-all of the messaging system either - it's just one method |
| 02:17.19 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: but that's the banality of telecom. |
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| 02:17.30 | unix_infidel | similar to email. |
| 02:17.55 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 02:18.31 | RyeBrye | but... anyway... the original point was - SMS can be very fast if you aren't using the email gateways, but unless you really need it to be as fast as it can be the cost really doesn't justify it |
| 02:19.04 | RyeBrye | $0.05 per message for < 1 sec or $0.00 per message for ??? time |
| 02:19.07 | Damm | RyeBrye, T-Mobile's pretty crappy when it comes to SMS though, it can come 8hours late even from another T-mobile Customer |
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| 02:19.37 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: that's if you're outsourcing, like you are... |
| 02:19.44 | Damm | truthfully i'd stick it on my Z750a but there's no point after i set it to gmail |
| 02:20.28 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - yeah, I suppose smsc would be even cheaper if you did it yourself... but this is still a project in its early phases |
| 02:20.58 | Damm | sadly that was my first project at this job I have |
| 02:21.00 | Damm | roll out nagios |
| 02:21.07 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: i'm under the impression that high availability messaging will be scooped under the medical devices umbrella. |
| 02:21.14 | Damm | it was like new to them, because they never had nagios |
| 02:21.16 | unix_infidel | if you say you didnt get the page, you'll be accountable. |
| 02:21.29 | Damm | I can't imagine the thought of a company not having nagios |
| 02:21.40 | unix_infidel | no more, the carrier effed up, or my device is unreliable. |
| 02:21.40 | Damm | if you buy 2 F5 BigIP's, and you don't have nagios? |
| 02:21.42 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - Yeah, that's why sms isn't the end-all be-all of the messaging system... each specialty has different requirements and we have fallback methods |
| 02:21.59 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: which is the wrong approach entirely. |
| 02:22.07 | unix_infidel | that's like saying, lets have multiple crappy encryption methods. |
| 02:22.37 | Hiro2 | tech9iner: ping |
| 02:22.39 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - having a strong encyrption doesn't matter if the client on the other end refuses to use it |
| 02:22.43 | Hiro2 | tech9iner: how did you get a new G1? |
| 02:22.49 | unix_infidel | </pontificatingaboutmedicine2point0> |
| 02:23.01 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - Doctors don't like to be told how to do their jobs... |
| 02:23.18 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: unless they are told how to do their jobs. |
| 02:23.25 | RyeBrye | :) |
| 02:24.30 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - if you saw the current systems they use, you'd probably cry |
| 02:24.41 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: i'm well aware. |
| 02:24.51 | tech9iner | Hiro2, ordered it from tmo? |
| 02:25.02 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - just picture an ED room with a person with a binder with about 3-dozen sheets of paper all in different formats listing who is on call for which specialty... |
| 02:25.18 | RyeBrye | and that's for the LUCKY ones that have it organized into 1 binder |
| 02:25.26 | Hiro2 | tech9iner: did you get a replacement? or just one G1? |
| 02:25.27 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: the words thumb tack come to mind. |
| 02:25.34 | RyeBrye | Yeah, no joke |
| 02:25.45 | tech9iner | Hiro2, oh wait.. u mean how 2nd replacement?.. called & bitched them out daily since 2nd day i had it 2.5 wks back.. have huge documentation of all tmo's shortcomings & g1's eccentricities mate.. |
| 02:26.23 | Hiro2 | tech9iner: I'm still under 14 days since I got it, do you think I can get a new one if I bitch them? |
| 02:26.27 | tech9iner | Hiro2, new g1 in box.. then replacement only.. they literally sent me just the phone.. no battery.. no cover.. no micro sd.. phone only.. |
| 02:26.55 | tech9iner | Hiro2, with legitimate whines of course.. id get a new one in 73 days if need be.. |
| 02:27.02 | Hiro2 | tech9iner: I wonder if it's refurbished |
| 02:27.22 | RyeBrye | My one that I bought new was obviously at least used once before - it was already activated and had some weird gmail account already paired with it |
| 02:27.27 | RyeBrye | I bought it online |
| 02:27.31 | Hiro2 | tech9iner: Pm? |
| 02:27.31 | RyeBrye | (from tmobile) |
| 02:27.33 | tech9iner | squeeky wheel gets da grease as it were #1.. #2.. t9's an old telecom consultant.. ;]]].. i know how to grind 'em dow |
| 02:27.36 | tech9iner | down |
| 02:28.09 | wastrel | hi |
| 02:28.22 | tech9iner | Hiro2, suspect it is refurb'd mate.. they warned me.. the only way they assure brand new replacements?.. is if one ships phone to them in orig box.. THEN they ship new r&r.. i bitched them out bout that too hehe |
| 02:29.03 | RyeBrye | tech9iner - my "New in box" wasn't even "new in box" (see my comment above - it was already paired with some strange gmail account) |
| 02:29.17 | Hiro2 | ByeBrye: that sucks, I guess I should think I'm fortunate? |
| 02:29.26 | tech9iner | wtf tmobile???? its been on street for days & you cant send me brand new boxed r&r when my 1st g1 had reset mid call probs on 3rd day of use??.. 'sir if you asked us to send replacement then let u return rma phone.. no gaurantees its new' omfg.. |
| 02:29.39 | tech9iner | ive been w tmo for less than 3 wks.. & already abhor them |
| 02:29.48 | tech9iner | omg.. |
| 02:29.55 | tech9iner | RyeBrye, via tmo i suspect eh? |
| 02:29.58 | tech9iner | tmo sux.. |
| 02:30.06 | tech9iner | their 3g is intermettent.. |
| 02:30.07 | Hiro2 | tech9iner: does "let me talk to your supervisor" work? |
| 02:30.30 | tech9iner | takes bout 3 calls Hiro2 to get expidited to tier 2 support |
| 02:30.55 | tech9iner | Hiro2, and thats only after calling them ea day & forcing many notes on acct.. |
| 02:31.45 | tech9iner | ea time u have g1 hiccups.. call THEN.., & demand even if no time to hang out & resolve/troubleshoot.. just force them to note the problem then hangup.. take notes locally of the rep name time date etc.. |
| 02:32.03 | tech9iner | just like courts of law.. the one w most documentation WINS! |
| 02:32.32 | tech9iner | just saw ur pm request Hiro2 .. mea culpa.. wasnt ignoring it.. missed it lad |
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| 02:32.54 | tech9iner | now me beaf is.. htf? does one move ALL data over tween the g1's.. |
| 02:33.05 | tech9iner | i ASSumed the sim had 98%.. |
| 02:33.18 | tech9iner | but lost all call logs.. important to my biz.. etc.. |
| 02:33.42 | tech9iner | cant seem to find ANY apps or ?? ways to do g1 FULL backups ANYwhere? |
| 02:33.58 | Hiro2 | have 2 SIM cards, start both up and manually transfer I guess? |
| 02:34.16 | tech9iner | as bad as i wanted this phone.. im living my suspiciouns pre'order.. its out the door microsux style.. undeveloped & supported |
| 02:34.40 | tech9iner | Hiro2, sim card doesnt contain call logs mate.. |
| 02:35.20 | unix_infidel | pre-order in the UK? |
| 02:35.21 | tech9iner | just reverted the g1 swap out.. sure enough.. call logs still maintained in orig g1.. |
| 02:35.38 | tech9iner | is usa.. |
| 02:39.24 | Damm | tech9iner, nope |
| 02:39.30 | Damm | there's nothing on the sim |
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| 02:39.34 | Damm | it's mostly on the google cloud |
| 02:39.41 | Damm | tech9iner, you can do an adb pull / adb push |
| 02:39.43 | Damm | between devices |
| 02:40.23 | mattgyver83 | is it possible to sync a wireless keyboard to work with the g1? |
| 02:40.31 | mattgyver83 | via bluetooth |
| 02:40.54 | Damm | mattgyver83, no bluetooth profile cept voice gateway |
| 02:40.59 | d03boy | anything is possible when you're in pappy's cabin |
| 02:41.00 | Damm | not even obex |
| 02:41.46 | mattgyver83 | too bad theres no vnc client yet. |
| 02:42.01 | Damm | that too |
| 02:42.11 | d03boy | alright hoes |
| 02:42.16 | d03boy | I need to make myself a screen |
| 02:43.13 | tech9iner | Damm, again?.. adb pull / push?.. |
| 02:43.43 | tech9iner | Damm, perhaps not clear as mudd lad.. i have one simm card.. one battery.. & 2 g1 shells ;]] |
| 02:44.34 | tech9iner | that'll be $5 d03boy .. same as downtown.. |
| 02:44.47 | tech9iner | d03boy, 'hoes' ;]] |
| 02:45.18 | tech9iner | googles 'adb pull or push' |
| 02:46.00 | d03boy | lol |
| 02:46.46 | tech9iner | is a cheap arse hoe.. will negotiate for mcgriddles for breakfast .. |
| 02:47.24 | tech9iner | Damm, are you saying my call logs on the g1 are in cloud?.. be bit surprised here if yes.. |
| 02:47.59 | tech9iner | thinks.. call logs in cloud.. yet cant download a fckg file or two?.. go figure.. |
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| 02:48.53 | tech9iner | lol @ damm .. 'damm' you good.. http://code.google.com/android/reference/adb.html |
| 02:49.02 | d03boy | PUN INTENDED |
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| 02:50.47 | tech9iner | Damm, must admit mate.. this is beyond me skills.. too too command line warlock'ish for my video brain.. isnt the a tard simple way to just backup all data on a laptop at all via g1's tether? |
| 02:51.05 | tech9iner | *there a tard... |
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| 02:57.53 | tech9iner | niyiiice!.. http://www.android-unleashed.com/search/label/Howto |
| 02:58.22 | d03boy | neat |
| 02:58.27 | tech9iner | lotsa hand hacks/work rounds 2 b had that site.. finally.. even howto down mp3's from gmail.. niyice |
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| 03:09.26 | tech9iner | niyice.. mibbit irc via g1.. coo ness |
| 03:09.57 | tech9iner_ | t9 sux!!! ;)) |
| 03:10.08 | tech9iner_ | lol |
| 03:11.13 | d03boy | i like t9 |
| 03:11.27 | tech9iner | & here i was awaiting irc client for g1.. bah |
| 03:11.40 | d03boy | tech, lol |
| 03:11.42 | tech9iner | now i can beg n whine bout g1 FROM g1 hehe |
| 03:12.10 | tech9iner | checks off one g1 wishlist i tim |
| 03:12.12 | fnordg1 | connectbot+irssi ftw |
| 03:12.36 | tech9iner | oyea tx fnordg1 .. we 4got that mention earlier this day lad.. |
| 03:13.05 | tech9iner | wtf's our fav root access terminal app for g1 specific to the adb push/pulls then lads N lassies police? |
| 03:13.40 | tech9iner | has a new kid on block feel like his sux2tux migration days bout 7 yrs back all afresh n fun like.. |
| 03:13.58 | SplasPood | hax up ansi art for initlogo.rle use |
| 03:13.58 | fnordg1 | that made no sense :p |
| 03:14.07 | tech9iner | not getting any of my business tasks completed for now.. but.. having fun i am iyam |
| 03:14.30 | tech9iner | fnordg1, if the music is too loud lad.. you're too old applies here ;]]]] |
| 03:15.29 | tech9iner | fnordg1, have a favorite root terminal for your g1?.. or just into language parse critiques hehe |
| 03:17.09 | fnordg1 | tech9iner: tcsh |
| 03:17.19 | tech9iner | tx.. |
| 03:17.35 | tech9iner | checks market.. |
| 03:18.24 | fnordg1 | screw bash and it's lack of complete-word-fwd |
| 03:19.03 | tmzt | tab? it's not emacs |
| 03:19.45 | tech9iner | tx tmzt .. seeking best fit for the adb push/pull specifically.. |
| 03:19.47 | fnordg1 | oh you said terminal not shell. i use my modifid term.apk |
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| 03:22.53 | Neverender2 | wants an equalizer |
| 03:23.21 | tech9iner | fnordg1, term.apk?.. is that via market then please? |
| 03:23.39 | tech9iner | is looking now & not seeing terminals in market yet.. |
| 03:24.03 | Neverender2 | should be called Terminal Emulator |
| 03:24.05 | Neverender2 | in the market |
| 03:24.17 | tech9iner | tx Neverender2 |
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| 03:30.01 | tech9iner | anyone here adb pushed out to cloud their g1's data yet?.. or have a handy howto on it? |
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| 03:30.49 | tech9iner | lol.. im getting lotsa perm denied sofar lol |
| 03:31.23 | fnordg1 | clarify cloud g1 data :p |
| 03:32.32 | fnordg1 | and you do have root yeh? |
| 03:33.08 | andyross | is trying to decide if cloud is a verb in that question... |
| 03:34.35 | tech9iner | roflmfao @ me me me.. AGain! lol.. t9 found his first working term emulator command that works flawlessly on the g1.. woohoo.. 'exit' |
| 03:34.40 | fnordg1 | heh hmm the last.fm app is actually good |
| 03:35.04 | wastrel | hi |
| 03:35.19 | tech9iner | ive enjoyed somewhat fnordg1 the imeem too.. albeit its library appears to loop bout 11 songs per station over n over n ..... blah blah infinitum |
| 03:35.29 | tech9iner | nods n waves.. |
| 03:36.12 | fnordg1 | yeh i listen to obscure stuff |
| 03:36.53 | tech9iner | fnordg1, sorry.. off googling androidish things.. 'cloud' as in adb pushing out all my original g1's call logs etc.. iow.. grab A L L orig g1's data & push out to cloud.. then swap out battery / simm to replacement g1.. & pull down same from cloud |
| 03:38.05 | tech9iner | too sad noone's created a true top2bottom backup util for g1's data yet |
| 03:38.33 | tech9iner | be nice to backup all.. swap out rma g1's.. then just restore |
| 03:38.43 | fnordg1 | tech9iner: oh i just rsync to my sserver |
| 03:39.29 | fnordg1 | but restores are iffy |
| 03:40.40 | tech9iner | fnordg1, cant afford iffy with all my mission critical client data etc.. |
| 03:41.01 | andyross | tech9iner: that won't work for a stock G1. Applications can't write to each other's data. With root, it's fairly trivial. Just copy the /data partition. |
| 03:41.07 | fnordg1 | iffy = ? |
| 03:41.09 | tech9iner | ryder penske fedex etc execs have no patience for excuses like.. 'i lost ur number' |
| 03:41.27 | tech9iner | fnordg1, ?.. re: your <fnordg1> but restores are iffy |
| 03:41.41 | fnordg1 | oh |
| 03:41.45 | fnordg1 | well |
| 03:41.51 | tech9iner | mission critical my data here.. |
| 03:41.55 | tech9iner | by the by.. |
| 03:42.11 | fnordg1 | contacts are easy. also sms |
| 03:42.32 | fnordg1 | app settings is another story |
| 03:42.42 | wastrel | calendar |
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| 03:42.51 | tech9iner | anyone sides t9 having tard time getting a palm treo 700wx [ugh.. microsux mobile[NOT!] 5] to successfully pair via bluetooth to complete beams of contact data ? |
| 03:42.53 | wastrel | there's no todo/organizer app |
| 03:43.10 | wastrel | i've never used bluetooth |
| 03:43.11 | tech9iner | fnordg1, apps as in android's call logs iow? |
| 03:43.21 | wastrel | you can beam data over bluetooth on palm? neat |
| 03:43.25 | wastrel | palm -> android? |
| 03:43.44 | fnordg1 | as in connectbot prefs |
| 03:44.08 | tech9iner | NOT wastrel .. i could not one single time get the mobileKnott 5 on my old treo to pair either way with g1 |
| 03:44.10 | Leeds | I would go as far as to say Palm 'popularised' obox over bluetooth |
| 03:44.22 | Leeds | the g1 does not support that sort of thing... yet |
| 03:45.39 | tech9iner | fnordg1, hmmm.. mk.. so still no takers here on aforementioned adb push android core data out to cloud from original g1 phone.. then adb pull down same data to rma replacement g1 then? |
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| 03:47.02 | tech9iner | someone here earlier this day mentioned this like it was eyes closed simple.. course they were with geekazoid brain.. im strange combination of mouse hating keyboard pc operator that is utterly nonlogical or video brain type & command line challenged.. go figure.. '20%'er' here.. |
| 03:47.40 | tech9iner | Leeds, so seems the g1 supports simple headset pairing via bt.. but not beaming via bt then aye? |
| 03:48.02 | Leeds | as far as I know, that's the case now |
| 03:48.22 | tech9iner | coo ness tx for educated guess Leeds mate.. |
| 03:48.55 | infernix | anyone tried cdc ethernet between a G1 and pc/laptop? |
| 03:49.16 | infernix | over USB that is? |
| 03:49.28 | Leeds | assuming one can write to the contact list, it shouldn't be horribly hard to do incoming contacts... |
| 03:50.04 | fnordg1 | got root? got server? know how to use rsync or such? then yes you can backup. got a little time? then yes you can restore. |
| 03:50.54 | fnordg1 | call logs are in an sqlite db. find it and you know what to restore |
| 03:52.17 | tech9iner | fnordg1, got any handy dandy dirty diaper saving howto url's that are granny simple on using rsync on g1's as referred?.. NO pressure! ;]] |
| 03:52.20 | Leeds | fnordg1: the question for all the sqlite stuff is what the chances are that there is some other data somewhere you need to copy as well |
| 03:52.51 | fnordg1 | Leeds: true. |
| 03:53.17 | fnordg1 | i should release a backup script heh |
| 03:53.33 | Leeds | hmm, is the sqlite binary command-line tool on the phone? |
| 03:54.00 | fnordg1 | no but i cross compiled one |
| 03:54.11 | Leeds | cool |
| 03:54.32 | fnordg1 | it needs glibc. sec |
| 03:55.03 | tech9iner | fnordg1, if one has huge 250g hdd on one's lappy?.. wtf not just rsync every i0i0 on the g1 period? |
| 03:55.19 | tech9iner | shirley g1's internal rom cant hold much data.. |
| 03:58.10 | fnordg1 | Leeds: n1.fnord.to/fone |
| 03:58.30 | fnordg1 | i0i0? |
| 03:59.21 | tech9iner | ahh.. t9 found some cli's to play with.. prolly just enough to destroy my g1 muahahaha http://www.android-unleashed.com/search/label/command%20line |
| 04:00.04 | Leeds | ah-ha |
| 04:00.09 | tech9iner | fnordg1, sorry to keep confusing thee mate.. i0i0 meaning entire g1's data.. 1's & 0's ;]] |
| 04:00.25 | Leeds | tech9iner: can I suggest the amazing thing we call "English" |
| 04:00.28 | fnordg1 | oh |
| 04:00.34 | d03boy | Leeds, thank you! |
| 04:00.52 | tech9iner | beyond my skills Leeds but tx for suggestions.. ;]] |
| 04:01.29 | fnordg1 | well that's what rsync is does heh |
| 04:02.06 | tech9iner | fnordg1, ie your n1.fnord.to/fone .. should i grab any of that?.. or best leave b? |
| 04:02.43 | fnordg1 | tech9iner: do you know unix admin stuff? |
| 04:02.47 | tech9iner | fnordg1, thinking these are needed to accomplish your advised rsync no? |
| 04:03.26 | tech9iner | not sans warm soft hands of the generous few that are admins admittedly fnordg1 ;]].. note the 2nd word in 'gui dependent' ? ;]] |
| 04:03.28 | tech9iner | lol |
| 04:03.56 | fnordg1 | nah that is for peeking at internals |
| 04:04.09 | tech9iner | fnordg1, so not needed for rsync then |
| 04:04.13 | tech9iner | tx |
| 04:04.26 | fnordg1 | no |
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| 04:04.59 | tech9iner | fnordg1, i do have the rma phone in hand here & would love to get me call logs & all user data over to it from original g1 SINcerely.. |
| 04:05.41 | fnordg1 | ok. do you have root on both? |
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| 04:06.51 | fnordg1 | if so i can tell you what to do when i get home |
| 04:07.19 | fnordg1 | if not...i am not sure |
| 04:07.22 | tech9iner | fnordg1, lol.. mate.. i have one battery.. one simm card.. one case cover.. one microsd.. and two g1 shells.. |
| 04:08.05 | Leeds | there should be an easy answer to this: how do I get my battery level without plugging in? |
| 04:08.25 | `vip | Settings |
| 04:08.28 | `vip | Phone Info |
| 04:08.32 | tech9iner | fnordg1, i was sheeting you not laddie when i said tmobile literally send g1 barely.. no cover.. no battery.. no sd.. no simm.. barely included the rma return shipping label.. counting me blessings with tard tmobile in me 3wks with them |
| 04:08.36 | `vip | something like that :l |
| 04:09.05 | Leeds | `vip: danke - 1% |
| 04:09.13 | `vip | np |
| 04:09.43 | tech9iner | Fnord^-, i do have two handy laptops sporting vista xp & opensuse 11 tho fnordg1 .. hehe.. does rsync play well with either of them os's?.. methinks yes yes |
| 04:09.47 | Leeds | up 63 hours... I'm trying to kill the battery so I can do a full discharge/recharge cycle |
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| 04:11.05 | fnordg1 | tech9iner: you need root access to both g1s |
| 04:11.25 | tech9iner | Leeds, i ignored tmo's ChicGeekGrrl support tech's early suggestion upon my complaints bout my brand new g1's battery not holding charges well.. i mean really.. 2008.. battery memory is obsolete no?.. well.. accidentally let phone die 2 nites past.. omfg.. it now holds charge bout 3x as well as before |
| 04:11.41 | fnordg1 | unless there is an official way |
| 04:11.55 | Leeds | tech9iner: English, motherfscker, do you speak it? |
| 04:11.58 | tech9iner | ponders if his similar battery in his treo 700wx would fit back 0 a g1.. |
| 04:12.35 | tech9iner | Leeds, breathe lad.. lets not be english snob please.. |
| 04:12.46 | fnordg1 | oh? draining batt makes it last longer? |
| 04:12.51 | Leeds | I'm English and I'm a snob |
| 04:13.00 | tech9iner | Leeds, indeed lad.. indeed |
| 04:13.02 | tech9iner | lol |
| 04:13.13 | tech9iner | such a waste of good community.. |
| 04:13.40 | Leeds | fnordg1: it's certainly the case in other phones - not so much that it lasts longer as it lets the charging circuitry calibrate against your actual phone/battery, rather than an assumed 'average' |
| 04:14.07 | fnordg1 | ahh |
| 04:14.41 | tech9iner | fnordg1, last clarification mate.. is there no way to rsync to laptop?.. then restore from said laptop to rma g1? |
| 04:14.44 | Leeds | for example, on my old Palm, it tended to last a *long* time on 1% or 0% - because the battery wasn't really as empty as it thought |
| 04:15.06 | unix_infidel | define:"*long*" |
| 04:15.12 | wastrel | weeks |
| 04:15.26 | wastrel | sorry, wishful thinking :] |
| 04:15.54 | unix_infidel | i dunno, if the battery life issue with the G1 is simply a software bug, or a calibration bug, it seems like a high priority bugfix is in order. |
| 04:16.02 | unix_infidel | maybe not as big as a root bugfix, but along the same lines. |
| 04:16.13 | fnordg1 | not unless you have root |
| 04:16.15 | Leeds | depending on the load you were putting on it, easily 30-45 minutes after it hit 0% |
| 04:16.16 | wastrel | my battery gets me through the day |
| 04:16.33 | wastrel | which is more than i could say for my old hpone |
| 04:16.36 | fnordg1 | mineis terrible |
| 04:16.45 | wastrel | i have gps off |
| 04:16.52 | unix_infidel | wastrel: a day is not 12 hours on the planet I'm from. |
| 04:16.52 | RyeBrye | My battery will go from 100% until 15% (telling me I need to plug it in) if I just leave it next to my bed at night with the screen off |
| 04:17.00 | tech9iner | fnordg1, root is not an issue on laptops.. now.. this begs question.. is there an issue with accessing root privileges on g1's via terminal emulators then perhaps? |
| 04:17.15 | wastrel | "the day" yeah not 24hr |
| 04:17.25 | tech9iner | fires up terminal in g1 & checks.. hmm.. no whoami on android seems.. |
| 04:17.31 | wastrel | i think it helps that i'm a block from a cell tower |
| 04:17.34 | RyeBrye | tech9iner - type "id" |
| 04:17.40 | RyeBrye | tech9iner if it is 0, you are root |
| 04:17.48 | RyeBrye | tech9iner - but you are probably not root |
| 04:18.04 | tech9iner | tx muchly RyeBrye |
| 04:18.08 | Leeds | RyeBrye: not necessarily |
| 04:18.13 | unix_infidel | arent there shortcuts you can place on the main screens to turn off GPS, 3G, WiFi (respectively) |
| 04:18.37 | Damm | there's an application for it |
| 04:18.40 | fnordg1 | yes there is an issue..tmo or htc or google do not want you to have root |
| 04:18.47 | Damm | but nah, there is no real shortcut |
| 04:19.03 | unix_infidel | Damm: meaning it's more than two taps away? |
| 04:19.06 | Damm | fnordg1, s/(htc|google)/t-mobile |
| 04:19.13 | wastrel | you can use anycut |
| 04:19.30 | Damm | unix_infidel, well there was an App I installed (toggler or something stupid like that) and it let me turn on wifi/gps/etc with a single tap |
| 04:19.33 | wastrel | for wifi at least, i haven't made enough use of gps to bother with that |
| 04:19.37 | Damm | run the app, tap it on, click close |
| 04:19.51 | Damm | i forget why i removed it |
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| 04:20.10 | wastrel | with anycut i have an icon that pops me right into wifi prefs, it can apparently do that with any activity on the device |
| 04:20.21 | wastrel | then it's a single tap to enable or disable |
| 04:20.40 | unix_infidel | Leeds: you're only on 2.5G in HK right? |
| 04:21.08 | unix_infidel | good metric for battery life there... |
| 04:21.14 | Leeds | unix_infidel: yeah... there's loads of 3G, and I actually did try out a 3G contract recently with my previous phone, but I'm happy with my cheap-n-cheerful EDGE :-) |
| 04:21.48 | Leeds | under US$15 for unlimited EDGE, unlimited use of my network's wifi, 1000 minutes of voice... |
| 04:22.16 | Leeds | http://www.peoples.com.hk/p_tariff_tariff_data_iso.jsp |
| 04:22.24 | tech9iner | hmm.. ie root.. my term output of 'id' cli = http://picpaste.com/100_5477.JPG |
| 04:22.25 | Leeds | anyway, yes, that should improve the battery lif |
| 04:22.47 | unix_infidel | Leeds: it's more of a question of how's your battery life at 3G off all the time. |
| 04:22.53 | tech9iner | wtf speeds is edge there Leeds ? |
| 04:23.13 | Leeds | tech9iner: tops out around 200kbit |
| 04:24.03 | tech9iner | hmm.. thats better than my recently etf charged & killed tard spring u727 broadband speeds even for US$60 ! damn |
| 04:24.18 | tech9iner | spring*Sprint |
| 04:24.42 | d03boy | tech9iner, you really do need to take your time while typing |
| 04:25.31 | tech9iner | i used to sit my laptop on hood of my auto next to one of my lead technician's laptop with verizon air card.. my down was maxed out round 200 kbps down/ max on good days of 75up.. his?.. 2500 down/600up |
| 04:26.08 | Leeds | just downloaded a speedtest :-) |
| 04:26.10 | DarkriftX | tech9iner, you do not have root in that pic |
| 04:26.11 | tech9iner | tx d03boy .. u loved me earlier.. hehe.. should've gotten it in writing before you changed your mind lad rolf.. |
| 04:26.17 | DarkriftX | it would be uid 0 |
| 04:26.19 | tech9iner | DarkriftX, tx muchly.. |
| 04:26.27 | tech9iner | so how do we reach root mates? |
| 04:26.38 | wastrel | is your phone updated to R30 ? |
| 04:26.38 | Leeds | tech9iner: are you running r30? |
| 04:26.43 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rooting_Android |
| 04:26.50 | DarkriftX | yeah, do you ahve rc30? |
| 04:26.57 | tech9iner | i suppose the bits i read bout updates i saw down yesterday or before killed root huh |
| 04:27.14 | tech9iner | lemme check DarkriftX .. ASSuming yes on this |
| 04:27.28 | DarkriftX | if so, you cannot get root until a new expliot is released |
| 04:27.34 | wastrel | in home menu>settings>about phone |
| 04:27.51 | wastrel | build number should have string RC30 |
| 04:27.59 | wastrel | "RC30" in it |
| 04:28.02 | DarkriftX | and im sure it does |
| 04:28.05 | Leeds | I seem to be maxing around 90kbit now |
| 04:28.16 | DarkriftX | its been a while since its released, unless you activly stopped it, you prob got the update forced |
| 04:28.29 | tech9iner | wastrel, tx chum |
| 04:28.30 | wastrel | i have rc30 |
| 04:28.44 | unix_infidel | Leeds: that's pretty terrible especially for SE Asia. |
| 04:29.21 | Leeds | unix_infidel: I've seen faster... may well depend on the cell, the usage, etc. - and remember, "cheap'n'cheerful" |
| 04:29.37 | tech9iner | indeedy rc30 mates.. |
| 04:29.44 | DarkriftX | then you can give up on root for now |
| 04:29.45 | Leeds | tech9iner: then no root for you! |
| 04:29.48 | unix_infidel | Leeds: how much is WiMax in HK? |
| 04:29.56 | Leeds | there is no wimax in HK |
| 04:30.04 | DarkriftX | keep an eye on my wiki, some ppl are working on a new root and ill post it there when its ready |
| 04:30.06 | Fnord^- | no root = no backup/restore, unless someone knows of another way |
| 04:30.28 | unix_infidel | oh? |
| 04:31.18 | tech9iner | DarkriftX, supposing this http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Keeping_Root is only good IF ONE prepped the last rc29 eh? |
| 04:31.21 | Leeds | unix_infidel: why would you think there would be? the only places which have rolled-out wimax are Korea and a couple of US cities, AFAIK |
| 04:31.28 | DarkriftX | correct |
| 04:32.24 | tech9iner | hmmm.. dammit.. as much a fan as i yam of all google things.. seems they've designed this android os overly restrictive .. |
| 04:32.25 | unix_infidel | Leeds: not sure, just assumed. ya know how that goes. |
| 04:32.33 | DarkriftX | blame tmo |
| 04:32.36 | unix_infidel | would be interested to see how People's 3G speeds compare though. |
| 04:32.41 | unix_infidel | (real world) |
| 04:32.42 | DarkriftX | google would have left it more open |
| 04:32.55 | Leeds | Peoples don't have 3G - they're the only network in HK who don't |
| 04:33.04 | Leeds | DarkriftX: don't bet on it |
| 04:33.24 | unix_infidel | wow, crazy. |
| 04:33.27 | tech9iner | so basically im fsckd out of root access to adb push all my orig g1's data out to cloud or even rsync back it up & restore it to rma g1 eh gents? |
| 04:33.32 | Leeds | making your user run as a non-root user on top of a Unix kernel gives you a *lot* of security, out of the box |
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| 04:33.47 | Leeds | yay, not enough battery to even boot :-D |
| 04:34.07 | unix_infidel | Leeds: heh, how long since your last charge :-P |
| 04:34.07 | Leeds | unix_infidel: in some ways, HK is very advanced - in others, it's really backward |
| 04:34.25 | unix_infidel | Leeds: like, the lack of breatheable air in certain seasons ;-P |
| 04:34.33 | Leeds | about 8 hours since it was unplugged, but it was only charged to something like 40% then |
| 04:34.46 | tech9iner | concentrates on Leeds battery drain'age with all his strange esp powers... hehe |
| 04:35.17 | Leeds | it was fully-charged 19 hours ago or so, and has had maybe 15-20 minutes of power (the good strong 240V stuff!) since then |
| 04:35.28 | tech9iner | ponders if the rma g1 sent BEFORE the rc updates pushed out is still rc29.. |
| 04:35.49 | DarkriftX | probable |
| 04:36.12 | tech9iner | dont suppose that would help much tho huh fnordg1 .. one phone having root but #1 g1 no root.. same catch 22 huh |
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| 04:36.45 | DarkriftX | well if the new one is rc28, then turn it off, deny any updates and read my wiki |
| 04:36.57 | Fnord^- | i don't think you'd have permissions to access call log database |
| 04:36.57 | DarkriftX | you can do the "keeping root" method and update that way |
| 04:37.10 | DarkriftX | so at least you get root afterwards |
| 04:37.42 | tech9iner | thinks he may just give up on g1 & may just work on installing his fresh down of opensuse11 dvd iso on this microsux vista laptop anyhow |
| 04:38.14 | tech9iner | hell for chitz & giggles.. lemme swap battery & see rc on rma g1 |
| 04:38.55 | Leeds | unix_infidel: $98 (+$12 or so for 'tunnel fees') is stabilising as the standard fee for a data-centric contact... PCCW give 60MB of 3G data, unlimited wifi - and they have a lot of access points - and a bunch of voice, with extra data charges capped around $268 - so a maximum of around US$50 for unlimited wifi, data and lots of voice |
| 04:39.05 | tech9iner | had already had the brilliant idea of using tether usb cable to power up the 2nd g1.. eh.. ahem.. so much for that idea.. battery necessity seems hehe |
| 04:40.27 | unix_infidel | Leeds: heh, i'd rather pay the extra 75 bucks in the US and get all that plus decent public services like potable water ;-) |
| 04:40.39 | unix_infidel | heh, jk. |
| 04:41.09 | tech9iner | dammit.. heres a simple ? mates.. wtf? is the best g1 cover removal tact police? |
| 04:41.12 | Leeds | the water here is perfectly potable... but the plumbing in a lot of buldings isn't safe |
| 04:41.26 | d03boy | tech9iner, your "sentence" doesnt make sense |
| 04:41.29 | tech9iner | no clear tab / grab slots like on some phones.. dont wanna break of tabs |
| 04:41.33 | unix_infidel | I've been dying to make it out to China / HK in the next year. |
| 04:41.36 | Leeds | reaches for his /ignore |
| 04:41.43 | Leeds | unix_infidel: if you do, ping me :-) |
| 04:41.44 | d03boy | Leeds, ill go with ya |
| 04:41.51 | tech9iner | how to remove the cover? |
| 04:41.55 | tech9iner | simple enough? |
| 04:41.56 | tech9iner | lol |
| 04:41.57 | d03boy | I wish my /ignore would still show when someone types, just not show what they type |
| 04:42.20 | unix_infidel | Leeds: heh, in a couple months, currency arbitrage will make it extremely attractive ;-) |
| 04:43.02 | Leeds | unix_infidel: are you coming from the US? |
| 04:43.07 | unix_infidel | Leeds: yes. |
| 04:43.33 | Leeds | HKD/USD is formally pegged - and the HK government has spent a fortune recently supporting the peg... CNY/USD is informally pegged |
| 04:44.15 | Leeds | floating pegs, but not allowed to float very far |
| 04:44.22 | tech9iner | wow DarkriftX lol.. this rma phone is rc19 .. tmobile is right on top as usual seems hehe |
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| 04:44.59 | tech9iner | DarkriftX, so.. if i follow your wiki steps on rc19.. will it help me keep root on this unit forward then? |
| 04:45.04 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 04:45.17 | DarkriftX | root it, update the recovery, then update to rc30 |
| 04:45.25 | DarkriftX | first, rename your certs |
| 04:45.33 | Fnord^- | modified rc30 |
| 04:45.41 | DarkriftX | root, rename certs, update recovery, update to modified RC30 |
| 04:45.45 | Fnord^- | :P |
| 04:45.46 | tech9iner | show me the url on your wiki please DarkriftX |
| 04:46.32 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/wiki/index.php?title=Rooting_Android then (2 links at bottom of that page for after you root it, folow those) |
| 04:46.38 | unix_infidel | Leeds: my point being you can only put so may "pegs" in a sinking ship. |
| 04:46.48 | tech9iner | lol.. i pressed f6 form my years on konversation.. doesnt do much on xchat lol |
| 04:47.28 | tech9iner | tx muchly DarkriftX .. tis appreciated.. IS appreciated even lmao.. |
| 04:51.31 | tech9iner | notes in term on rma g1 that 'id' output looks suspicously similar to the no root original g1.. hopes.. |
| 04:52.20 | Leeds | tech9iner: hit return, type "telnetd", hit return |
| 04:52.51 | Leeds | now telnet into your phone, and hey presto root |
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| 04:54.41 | tech9iner | leeds.. this isnt the first time this 'typing commands while ignoring screen output' hasnt faired well for me.. the 'reboot' trick never worked either.. |
| 04:55.07 | Leeds | remembers his ignore |
| 04:55.39 | tech9iner | Leeds, i rebooted phone.. pressed the return key.. typed t e l n e t d & pressed enter key again.. it left me in contacts showing the command typed searching for matching contact records.. no terminal on screen ? |
| 04:56.00 | tech9iner | Leeds, ignore for wtf for mate?.. english no good now? |
| 04:56.05 | Leeds | arse... and how does that include "telnet into your phone"? |
| 04:56.41 | tech9iner | missed that line entirely Leeds .. could be related to the outcome.. lmao |
| 04:56.43 | tech9iner | @ me me |
| 04:56.57 | tech9iner | googles howto telnet into g1's .. |
| 04:57.11 | tech9iner | i havent telnet into anything at all in years |
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| 04:59.42 | ITechJunkie | Hey guys, is there any way to use vlc to stream video to android? |
| 05:00.04 | ITechJunkie | And assuming there is, how can you view it? |
| 05:00.23 | Leeds | probably not - yet |
| 05:00.40 | ITechJunkie | Leeds: what makes you think so? |
| 05:01.04 | Leeds | because I'm not aware of anything, and I am a know-it-all |
| 05:01.17 | ITechJunkie | Leeds: lol |
| 05:01.28 | ITechJunkie | I guess i'll just have to take you're word for it |
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| 05:05.22 | tech9iner | possibly the first hiccup your wiki howto DarkriftX .. following # Type "telnetd\r" ON THE PHONE KEYBOARD .. and pressing enter i see output "not found" ?.. |
| 05:05.36 | tech9iner | DarkriftX, ignore & continue ? |
| 05:06.03 | Leeds | tech9iner: did you actually type the \r? |
| 05:06.09 | tech9iner | DarkriftX, dont have the simm card in this rc19 rma g1.. |
| 05:07.11 | Leeds | DarkriftX: little test to catch those who don't know enough to deserve root? ;-) |
| 05:09.17 | Gary135791 | (22:58:59) (tech9iner) i havent telnet into anything at all in years |
| 05:09.25 | Gary135791 | How do you forget how to telnet? |
| 05:09.30 | Gary135791 | telnet <insert IP here> |
| 05:09.31 | Gary135791 | profit |
| 05:09.50 | tech9iner | http://img522.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1005478mi4.jpg Leeds |
| 05:09.56 | Gary135791 | (23:01:30) (ITechJunkie) Hey guys, is there any way to use vlc to stream video to android? |
| 05:09.56 | tech9iner | yes is the answer.. |
| 05:10.02 | Gary135791 | Probably not, but whats wrong with orb? |
| 05:10.11 | Leeds | ha ha ha, fail! |
| 05:10.18 | DarkriftX | tech9iner, that wiki somewhat assumes you know what to do with root, which assumes you know \r is a return |
| 05:10.30 | DarkriftX | and i didnt write the wiki, i host it |
| 05:10.32 | Gary135791 | lol... |
| 05:10.35 | DarkriftX | its written by the community |
| 05:10.50 | DarkriftX | you type "telnetd" and hit enter |
| 05:10.58 | tech9iner | aha.. like pos manpages eh DarkriftX .. lol.. written by geeks for geeks ASSumptively |
| 05:10.59 | tech9iner | gotit |
| 05:11.06 | ITechJunkie | Gary135791: how do I get orb for android?! |
| 05:11.10 | Gary135791 | tech9iner: why are you trying to start telnetd when you're already running it? |
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| 05:11.17 | Gary135791 | ITechJunkie: IIRC they added it a couple days ago |
| 05:11.19 | Gary135791 | I haven't tried it |
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| 05:11.27 | Gary135791 | just go to my.orb.com on your g1 I guess |
| 05:11.49 | ITechJunkie | Gary135791: awesome, thanks |
| 05:11.56 | wastrel | what's orb? |
| 05:12.02 | Gary135791 | tech9iner: If you don't know something this simple, root will probably screw up your g1 anyway. |
| 05:13.01 | tech9iner | aye DarkriftX the quotations round "telnetd\r" arent very clear to nongeeks huh.. |
| 05:13.09 | ITechJunkie | wastrel: media streamer, video, tv, music, whatever. to multiple devices |
| 05:13.19 | DarkriftX | tech9iner, arent you a linux user? |
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| 05:13.54 | wastrel | hrm |
| 05:13.57 | wastrel | i don't have any medai |
| 05:13.57 | Gary135791 | DarkriftX: Linux doesn't require common sense anymore, thanks to ubuntu! |
| 05:13.58 | wastrel | media |
| 05:14.02 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 05:14.04 | wastrel | ubuntu <3 |
| 05:14.08 | DarkriftX | hey, i use *buntu :@ |
| 05:14.09 | ITechJunkie | wastrel: bummer |
| 05:14.09 | wastrel | won't play my dvds tho |
| 05:14.14 | Gary135791 | I did too |
| 05:14.20 | Gary135791 | Love it, but it oversimplifies a lot imo |
| 05:14.27 | DarkriftX | easiest to make look like windows so my wife would stop bitching about using it |
| 05:14.31 | ITechJunkie | wastrel: I have ubuntu as well |
| 05:14.51 | DarkriftX | besides those crap distros like lindows etc |
| 05:14.57 | Gary135791 | last time I used it, it fought with my thinkpad for days |
| 05:14.59 | Gary135791 | and I gave up |
| 05:15.04 | DarkriftX | works great for me |
| 05:15.04 | Gary135791 | went to a slimmed down XP |
| 05:15.20 | Damm | hasn't used windows in about 2-3years |
| 05:15.37 | wastrel | i haven't ever used windows as a primary OS |
| 05:15.54 | Gary135791 | Wine just still isn't good enough for me to make the switch. VMs are nice, but slow. |
| 05:15.57 | Damm | I started with an Apple II, DOS. |
| 05:16.01 | wastrel | appalingly ignorant about it given my job involves supporting it :] |
| 05:16.01 | Leeds | I haven't used windows as a primary OS since 1998 |
| 05:16.03 | Damm | I used Windows for a short time |
| 05:16.24 | Leeds | I have worked for two Unix vendors since then :-) |
| 05:16.42 | elad | i work on windows every day |
| 05:17.00 | elad | use it at home(xp) and vista ulti on my laptop ;/ |
| 05:17.24 | tech9iner | DarkriftX, yes i am.. quite adept at fedora core 1,2,3,4 then suse 9.2 thru to 11.. but all the while via 98% gui .. aside from zypper or yum command line package managers.. one THANKfully does not need to be some archaic command line god to run several mission critical businesses etc for 6+ years on linux.. its the reason tux distros have made so much headway last 2 years.. in spite of command line geek snobs that imply someone such |
| 05:17.25 | tech9iner | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:18.03 | tech9iner | DarkriftX, now.. thanks for asking hehe ;]] |
| 05:18.08 | Gary135791 | " one THANKfully does not need to be some archaic command line god to run several mission critical businesses etc for 6+ years on linux" |
| 05:18.09 | Gary135791 | hahaha what |
| 05:18.27 | Gary135791 | if you don't know that \r = return, I somehow doubt above statement |
| 05:18.43 | KNY | yeah, wow. what servers do you run? I'd like to never use them... |
| 05:19.04 | DarkriftX | wow |
| 05:19.12 | Gary135791 | Hell, even if you did, the fact that you're managing *nix servers, yet never touch the terminal scares me. |
| 05:19.13 | DarkriftX | well good luck tech9iner, hope everything works out for you |
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| 05:21.48 | tech9iner | servers?.. lmao.. is that your 'linux for business professionals' perspective Gary135791? one has to run servers to use modern desktop linux distros for business purposes? this is utterly wrong. |
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| 05:22.43 | Gary135791 | So, what do you use it for then. |
| 05:22.51 | Leeds | unix_infidel: the Hong Kong government spent over HK$3billion (US$400million) supporting the HKD... on this past Friday alone. |
| 05:22.51 | mattgyver83 | anybody know of a good virtual keyboard app? |
| 05:22.54 | tech9iner | i have never ever administrated servers directly sans godaddy account access for websites etc. laugh now for all the gods of *nix present ;]] |
| 05:23.59 | Gary135791 | (22:56:56) • Leeds remembers his ignore |
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| 05:24.17 | tech9iner | Gary135791, ?.. every aspect of my business for clients ie Penske FedEx JBHunt BMW and too many more to mention here? does every windows desktop user use server admins to run their business? no.. |
| 05:26.31 | tech9iner | will be truly sad if this channel will be run amuck by the atypical geeks only snobs and not true community support & development for all that has kept bill gates richer than he should have been when tux had better safer alternatives for so many years. Torvalds has covered this for years now. |
| 05:27.00 | KNY | yawns |
| 05:27.07 | SanMehat | tech9iner: do you have an android question I can help you with? |
| 05:27.30 | Leeds | tech9iner: torvalds would tear you to shreds and leave your remains by the wayside - you ever read anything he wrote? |
| 05:28.05 | Leeds | and that's my last words on the subject |
| 05:28.56 | tech9iner | for years now Leeds .. im a fan of his. |
| 05:29.51 | tech9iner | sadly many SanMehat ;].. but now java haus i have spent the day at is shuttering. thanks and more later. your offer is appreciated mate. |
| 05:30.12 | SanMehat | tech9iner: np |
| 05:33.43 | tech9iner | ciao all and thanks for the handups and info.. |
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| 05:35.15 | Leeds | yay :-) |
| 05:35.32 | SanMehat | now now.. :) |
| 05:35.42 | wastrel | sigh |
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| 05:36.06 | SanMehat | wastrel: whats up? |
| 05:36.58 | wastrel | heh wrong channel :] |
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| 05:41.54 | ITechJunkie | Orb is aWs00mE! |
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| 05:44.21 | mib_73b07k | hi |
| 05:44.26 | mib_73b07k | question |
| 05:44.28 | mib_73b07k | T.T |
| 05:45.24 | wastrel | T.T is a question ? |
| 05:47.55 | neekers | i think he went to take a tt and he was just letting us know |
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| 05:50.29 | kslater | If I want two spinners in a linear layout and I want them to each take up 1/2 the total width, what attributes allow me to do that? |
| 05:50.57 | d03boy | gravity? |
| 05:51.09 | d03boy | nevermind |
| 05:51.23 | g1er | weight |
| 05:53.25 | noodlyappendage | android:layout_width maybe |
| 05:53.32 | g1er | android:layout_weight="1"; (in each layout to make them even, smaller the number larger percentage of the screen it takes up) |
| 05:53.57 | kslater | gler: thanks. Looking for the details in the docs now |
| 05:54.06 | kslater | g1er: sorry |
| 05:54.22 | g1er | just learning the xml too :) |
| 05:54.38 | noodlyappendage | ditto |
| 05:55.54 | g1er | these are linearlayout http://amd.sonik.googlepages.com/apps |
| 05:56.08 | d03boy | son of a bitch |
| 05:56.10 | noodlyappendage | its good to see a number of people taking interest in andreoid dev |
| 05:56.18 | d03boy | windows just friggin closed Eclipse because it was out of VM |
| 05:56.33 | g1er | 12 components, from 1.25 weight to 6 |
| 05:56.45 | noodlyappendage | i know how to fix that |
| 05:58.03 | noodlyappendage | install linux |
| 05:58.28 | d03boy | haha |
| 05:58.34 | wastrel | feh linux |
| 05:58.36 | wastrel | i'm kindof sick of it |
| 05:58.39 | d03boy | i have more linux than windows boxen |
| 05:58.55 | p_quarles | because nothing bad happens when Linux runs out of swap . . . |
| 05:59.04 | d03boy | p_quarles, haha no kidding |
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| 05:59.13 | d03boy | I purposely turned off my swap on windows because it thrashes too much |
| 05:59.20 | d03boy | i just turned it back on because I need more ram |
| 05:59.27 | noodlyappendage | because linux is less likely to in the first place |
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| 06:01.14 | d03boy | noodlyappendage, probably because there are less apps to run :P |
| 06:01.20 | d03boy | so less memory needs to be used |
| 06:02.43 | p_quarles | well Linux does have some memory handling advantages over at least XP; but ultimately Eclipse crashing is an Eclipse problem, not strictly the OS's issue |
| 06:03.07 | d03boy | p_quarles, whats eclipse supposed to do if its not given access to any memory? |
| 06:03.13 | d03boy | eat itself? |
| 06:03.50 | p_quarles | d03boy: generally, it should tell the user that it's out of memory |
| 06:03.59 | d03boy | true |
| 06:04.08 | RyeBrye | and then tell you to change the ini file and up the Xmx |
| 06:04.31 | d03boy | RyeBrye, i have paging turned off though... |
| 06:04.48 | RyeBrye | ? |
| 06:04.51 | d03boy | my os is not allowed to use swap |
| 06:04.59 | RyeBrye | So, what does that have to do with eclipse? |
| 06:05.02 | RyeBrye | It runs in a VM |
| 06:05.07 | d03boy | the vm has no more memory |
| 06:05.16 | RyeBrye | Well, then when it runs out, it bombs |
| 06:05.35 | RyeBrye | and tell you "the workspace has run out of memory because eclipse eats RAM like a fat kid eats donuts - would you like to quit?" |
| 06:05.54 | RyeBrye | Or maybe a different message depending upon your localization |
| 06:06.08 | p_quarles | RyeBrye: I go with the classics: "lp0 on fire" |
| 06:07.03 | RyeBrye | d03boy - how did you determine your Xmx setting for eclipse? |
| 06:07.24 | d03boy | i didnt |
| 06:07.27 | RyeBrye | ok |
| 06:07.49 | d03boy | a message popped up on my computer saying windows was out of virtual memory |
| 06:07.52 | d03boy | and 2 seconds later eclipse dies |
| 06:08.39 | RyeBrye | Hmm... That shouldn't really happen unless I suppose it was trying to grow its heap because windows lied to it when it started about how much memory it would be able to grab - but I've not had that problem because I don't use windows |
| 06:09.51 | RyeBrye | You coudl modify it to make Xmx and Xms the same so it doesn't grow or shrink its heap and just grabs it all at the startup |
| 06:10.45 | d03boy | i wasnt even running anything |
| 06:10.51 | d03boy | just using the editor in eclipse |
| 06:10.59 | d03boy | thing eats memory like crazy |
| 06:12.25 | RyeBrye | yeah, I hate eclipse |
| 06:12.40 | d03boy | it used to be awesome |
| 06:12.54 | RyeBrye | I'm not sure it's ever been better than IntelliJ |
| 06:14.23 | d03boy | <Button id="@+id/status" |
| 06:14.26 | d03boy | does that look ok? |
| 06:14.27 | d03boy | eclipse is whining |
| 06:14.40 | noodlyappendage | do3boy you should watch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zEQhhaJsU4 for inspiration. |
| 06:15.19 | d03boy | ok |
| 06:15.36 | d03boy | lol |
| 06:15.44 | d03boy | i hate steve ballmer |
| 06:16.38 | d03boy | but that is a great song |
| 06:17.12 | d03boy | The application X (process org.X) has stopped unexpectedly. Please try again. |
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| 06:25.34 | Davin | ello... anyone alive? |
| 06:26.00 | d03boy | no |
| 06:26.10 | Davin | whew, thats good =) |
| 06:26.21 | Davin | anyone done any work with ssl sockets? |
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| 06:27.43 | Davin | aka: socketFactory.setHostnameVerifier(new AllowAllHostnameVerifier()); |
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| 06:33.34 | Leeds | ah, that's interesting |
| 06:34.22 | Leeds | Davin: seen people in here before getting upset because they were told they were using an unverified hostname :-) |
| 06:37.09 | d03boy | why wont my app run. it crashes on load |
| 06:37.12 | Davin | yea.... its an irritating bug/lack of feature =P |
| 06:37.46 | Davin | there seems to be no global certificate store for non-root certs |
| 06:39.12 | Davin | do3boy: throw a Log.d message on your exceptions =P need more info than that |
| 06:39.36 | Davin | or look at your stacktrace |
| 06:40.04 | d03boy | maybe its because I havent configured the manifest at all |
| 06:40.30 | Davin | thats a good place to start mate =) |
| 06:41.40 | Davin | permissions failure are sometimes a little cryptic... since they just throw an exception |
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| 06:46.21 | Davin | so... Im trying to write an ms_exchange mail client... as you guessed, im hung up on the invalid ssl cert |
| 06:46.45 | Davin | i think i have the ntlm authentication licked, but... cant tell till im past the ssl deal |
| 06:46.58 | Leeds | ew, ntlm |
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| 06:47.20 | Davin | aye... nasty =P |
| 06:47.46 | Davin | so... i wait for my new exchange server to install, that i can disable ssl on =P |
| 06:47.53 | ionstorm | is the screen hardware on the g1 multitouch capable? |
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| 06:48.06 | Davin | no, i dont belive it is |
| 06:48.16 | ionstorm | is it just a software limitation? |
| 06:48.44 | Leeds | no, I don't believe it is |
| 06:48.53 | Davin | i "think" its hardware.... |
| 06:49.30 | Davin | its using the default synaptics drivers... so i doubt it is |
| 06:52.10 | ionstorm | I think the hardware is capable |
| 06:54.01 | Leeds | on what basis? |
| 06:55.23 | ionstorm | patents |
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| 06:56.43 | Leeds | right... |
| 06:56.56 | ionstorm | i heard the ability wont be implemented until the patents expire somewhere |
| 06:57.07 | Zelig_ | Has anyone fiddled with the accelerometers in an app that's making sounds? \ |
| 06:57.19 | Leeds | so another 22 years or something like that? |
| 06:57.38 | ionstorm | "As the only touch interface company in the Alliance, Synaptics is |
| 06:57.39 | ionstorm | providing mobile handset designers with a powerful yet easy-to-use |
| 06:57.39 | ionstorm | tool to develop advanced, multi-touch gestures for the Android |
| 06:57.39 | ionstorm | platform" |
| 06:58.08 | Leeds | and why do you think that tells you anything about the HTC Dream device? |
| 06:58.56 | ionstorm | I looked at the touch events example code and multi-touch might be supported as soon as we can associate the specific touch event instance with an action in the code. In order to do so, Android would have to provide the developer a touch event with some kind of a unique id or make it possible to track the events by ourselves (what is the position of the new action down and up event). |
| 06:59.20 | Leeds | and why do you think that tells you anything about the HTC Dream device? |
| 06:59.51 | ionstorm | the screen notices too touches when messing with certain things |
| 06:59.59 | Leeds | have you noticed from the docs that android supports a device with a tricoder attachment being used on the death star? |
| 07:00.00 | ionstorm | like the notification bar |
| 07:01.18 | Leeds | eh, afk |
| 07:03.11 | ionstorm | some interesting info http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/gestures/egr |
| 07:03.44 | RyeBrye | Yeah, but that doesn't say anything about the specific hardware in the G1 |
| 07:03.48 | ionstorm | im pretty sure all their touch screens are multitouch capable, if the g1 uses synaptics then i think its capable |
| 07:04.01 | ionstorm | does it use synaptics? |
| 07:04.17 | RyeBrye | It uses the synaptics driver - but that doesn't necessarily mean they use synaptics hardware |
| 07:04.30 | RyeBrye | I have a touch screen that's not my synaptics that I use the synaptics driver for |
| 07:04.36 | RyeBrye | s/my/by/ |
| 07:05.54 | RyeBrye | I think having a multitouch screen would be such a big selling feature that they would have been bonkers to not mention it |
| 07:06.36 | ionstorm | http://www.cellfanatic.com/2008/10/02/t-mobile-g1-touchscreen-powered-by-synaptics im not sure if this is regarding the hardware or the driver |
| 07:06.39 | ionstorm | or both |
| 07:08.16 | RyeBrye | sounds like it is talking about the hardware there |
| 07:08.32 | ITechJunkie | Hey guys, has anyone figured out a way to get Orb working with shoutcast tv? |
| 07:10.45 | ionstorm | im pretty sure its just not programmed in, i think it will be added to android in the future, they are probably coming up with ideas for gestures |
| 07:11.06 | RyeBrye | It sounds like the gestures are done in the hardware not the software |
| 07:11.19 | Davin | meh... android is incomplete.. but not that incomplete =P |
| 07:11.23 | RyeBrye | EGR gives customers the option to enable single-finger gestures (i.e., Tap, Double Tap, Pinch, Press, and Flick) as well as multi-finger gestures (e.g., Pinch) directly from Synaptics' touch module. No additional recognition software is required on the host processor to implement these gestures. |
| 07:12.19 | spikebike | ryebrye so that means what? |
| 07:12.24 | spikebike | and what is EGR? |
| 07:13.21 | ionstorm | Enhanced Gesture Recognition |
| 07:13.37 | ionstorm | http://www.synaptics.com/solutions/technology/gestures/egr |
| 07:14.07 | RyeBrye | It means that it sounds like IF the screen in the G1 has it, the gestures would be done at the hardware level and passed to the host |
| 07:14.32 | RyeBrye | which seems a little od |
| 07:14.33 | RyeBrye | d |
| 07:15.25 | spikebike | I have to say that in general many of the value add features in the embedded space do not end up implemented |
| 07:15.37 | spikebike | I'm not sure if it's just the cost of implementing or licensing |
| 07:16.00 | spikebike | i.e. bitblt in the cpu, jazelle for java acceleration, secure mode, etc. |
| 07:16.26 | spikebike | but I'd love to hear that the chip in the g1 has EGR, did the g1 bgreakdown include the list of chips in the g1? |
| 07:16.41 | Davin | generaly speaking... its usualy due to the footprint of said feature... thats probably not the case in the G1 tho |
| 07:16.43 | RyeBrye | the EGR is on the touchscreen |
| 07:17.04 | spikebike | egr is in the g1 touchscreen? |
| 07:17.33 | RyeBrye | Oh, not sure if it is - but if it was anywhere it'd be in the touchscreen |
| 07:17.36 | Davin | egr is a feature of the touchscreen... not the g1 chipset |
| 07:17.57 | spikebike | ok, but is egr a feature of the g1 touchscreen? |
| 07:18.07 | Davin | unknown.. but unlikely |
| 07:18.33 | Davin | on an unrelated note... hows chromes "plugin" support? |
| 07:18.47 | unix_infidel | chrome or G1 browser. |
| 07:18.54 | ionstorm | egr is in the screen to have the ability of any of those gestures |
| 07:18.58 | ionstorm | it said it itself |
| 07:19.02 | Davin | good point... g1 browser |
| 07:19.07 | ionstorm | flick tap double tap etc |
| 07:19.40 | Davin | have a cool idea, unrelated to my current project... a "tilt to scroll" option |
| 07:20.02 | RyeBrye | That could be cool |
| 07:20.04 | Davin | would be great while im googleing in the car |
| 07:20.12 | RyeBrye | if there was some way to indicate you wanted to use it or not |
| 07:20.36 | Davin | yea... would have to be an option to enable... cus it would just be annoying sometimes |
| 07:20.42 | RyeBrye | maybe tilt to scroll if you are pushing the camera button or something |
| 07:20.50 | unix_infidel | a zoom gesture like those on synaptics touchpads would be nice. |
| 07:21.12 | RyeBrye | I don't know what ChiralRotate is - but it sounds exotic |
| 07:21.46 | Davin | it sounds like something you might catch from an unsavory one night stand... |
| 07:21.58 | RyeBrye | "Synaptics excels in gestures and multi-touch technology, and has a growing library of solutions that can be integrated in our human interfaces. Enhanced Gesture Recognition (EGR), Flick, Two-finger Flick, ChiralMotion™, and ChiralRotate™ all put new functionality at the user’s fingertips. " |
| 07:22.46 | RyeBrye | It's kind of interesting to think about the Newton now in todays technology landscape... I wonder if a handwriting-recognition based device would ever do well |
| 07:23.03 | Davin | ehh... think "palm" |
| 07:23.03 | RyeBrye | I think the answer is "probably not" |
| 07:23.21 | RyeBrye | Palm never tried handwritng recognition, they licensed Grafiti |
| 07:23.51 | Davin | its an awfull similar concept tho =P |
| 07:24.00 | RyeBrye | The newton you would just write like normal and it would recognize it |
| 07:24.13 | Davin | and windows mobile has had it for years... tho never used |
| 07:24.34 | RyeBrye | Yeah, I guess I'm sometimes just nostalgic for the Newton :) |
| 07:25.04 | Davin | when all human kind can write legibly, and faster than typing... handwriting recognition might take off |
| 07:25.15 | Davin | aka: neva |
| 07:26.07 | Davin | i see nural interfaces taking off first =) |
| 07:33.12 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: take a look at the synaptics drivers for the G1 |
| 07:33.19 | unix_infidel | notice the stuff commented out ;-) |
| 07:33.19 | d03boy | alright. Before I sleep I want to have this simple UI finished. Who can help me out? |
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| 07:34.28 | unix_infidel | it's a software thing i'm guessing, they just threw it out because of pending patent stuff, they just didnt have the time to come up with their own gestures ;-) |
| 07:37.13 | g1er | what kind of help d03boy? |
| 07:38.31 | d03boy | g1er, my crap crashes lol |
| 07:38.58 | d03boy | im not sure what i changed |
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| 07:39.55 | g1er | ah, you're messing with the java stuff huh? |
| 07:40.07 | d03boy | ya |
| 07:40.35 | g1er | heads back to the 'only knows xml' corner.. |
| 07:41.27 | d03boy | actually I think it is xml |
| 07:41.32 | d03boy | i havent really touched the java stuff |
| 07:41.51 | g1er | ah! eclipse isn't telling you anything? |
| 07:42.10 | d03boy | ofcourse not |
| 07:42.13 | d03boy | eclipse never does anything useful |
| 07:43.41 | g1er | you know what file it's in? can u pastebin? |
| 07:46.20 | d03boy | ya hold up |
| 07:46.25 | d03boy | writing an article abotu teh "stanky leg" |
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| 07:49.13 | captain_ | how do I format the my 4gb sdfc card for the g1? |
| 07:49.18 | captain_ | *sdhc |
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| 07:57.36 | RyeBrye | mkfs.msdos -F 32 |
| 07:59.16 | RyeBrye | unix_infidel - if you uncomment it and throw debug statements in it for the different gestures, does it output anything? |
| 08:03.06 | unix_infidel | RyeBrye: give it a try ;-) |
| 08:04.16 | RyeBrye | I might |
| 08:04.29 | RyeBrye | it already has printk stuff in it |
| 08:05.53 | mattgyver83 | does browser download to SD? |
| 08:06.12 | RyeBrye | next time I compile my kernel, I will try playing with that stuff |
| 08:08.04 | d03boy | ok im back and black |
| 08:11.43 | g1er | mattgyver83: yup |
| 08:12.09 | mattgyver83 | is there a way to change the path on the card? |
| 08:14.14 | d03boy | sorry, I was busy doing the Stanky Leg |
| 08:15.39 | g1er | tryin to memorize this ---> http://code.google.com/android/reference/classes.html 8| |
| 08:16.00 | unix_infidel | g1er: heh, there is javadoc ;-) |
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| 08:29.06 | g1er | gtg, thx unix_infidel. I'm new to all this :) |
| 08:30.54 | ka_ | howdy, all! |
| 08:32.10 | languish | yakitori was a sucess |
| 08:32.17 | languish | bar after even more so |
| 08:32.38 | languish | too bad more guys weren't with us |
| 08:33.13 | languish | the girls we met = more than the guys with us |
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| 09:50.02 | tripps | so here's my $64k question - when is the google voice search app going to be available for the android? |
| 09:53.21 | Leeds | when it's written? |
| 09:54.18 | tripps | Leeds, well it's written for the iphone, so I presume porting it to android wouldn't require a complete rewrite? |
| 09:54.46 | languish | tripps, do you mean "android" or do you mean "the g1" ? |
| 09:55.18 | tripps | languish, well I presume if written for android it would function on the g1. correct? |
| 09:55.43 | languish | function, but released for...? |
| 09:55.50 | languish | that's up to t-mobile. |
| 09:56.39 | ionstorm | yea how does google plan on updating individual google apps, upgrading the firmware? |
| 09:56.43 | tripps | languish, well yes in my case the G1. i thought the OHA had clauses in it to prevent the carriers from futzing/having prohibitions on stuff. |
| 09:57.19 | languish | ionstorm, some apps can be independantly updated, others, will need to be updated with an OTA/patch/firmware update |
| 09:57.55 | languish | they have both technical issues, and legal ones to consider |
| 09:57.56 | tripps | languish, of course it would have to be written first for android. would this be an OTA firmware type app or a market app, then? |
| 09:58.04 | ionstorm | any ideas about google docs for mobile editing capability? |
| 09:58.07 | ionstorm | or is that a never |
| 09:58.21 | languish | <tripps> languish, well yes in my case the G1. i thought the OHA had clauses in it to prevent the carriers from futzing/having prohibitions on stuff. |
| 09:58.30 | languish | on the G1, T-Mobile decides all. |
| 09:58.36 | languish | It's T-Mobiles device |
| 09:58.39 | languish | period. |
| 09:58.47 | Leeds | mine isn't |
| 09:58.58 | languish | (aside from rooting/jailbreaking it) |
| 09:59.06 | tripps | wishes all these devices were merely sold unlocked and cut all the BS out of it ;) |
| 09:59.26 | languish | unlocked is not the same as completely ipen source, or open hardware |
| 09:59.31 | languish | *open |
| 09:59.46 | languish | unlocked only means it can be used with another carrier |
| 09:59.48 | tripps | this is my fifth smart phone with t-mobile and the first actual t-mobile phone. all my treos and nokias were bought unlocked off the shelf |
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| 10:00.24 | languish | unlocked is not a big deal. you can get just about any handset unlocked. |
| 10:00.48 | tripps | languish, right. then it wouldn't be t-mobiles to control. right? |
| 10:01.01 | languish | ahh... not exactly |
| 10:01.18 | languish | your updates would still come from t-mobile. |
| 10:01.26 | spikebike | heh, well amusing there's source or lack or, root or lack of, and the freedom to switch networks (or lack of) |
| 10:01.28 | languish | or not at all |
| 10:01.44 | languish | so you'd have to root the device, or live with the last update you received |
| 10:01.57 | tripps | languish, gotcha. i wonder if there will eventually be a central ota repo for unlocked android devices |
| 10:02.18 | languish | maybe, in the future |
| 10:02.37 | languish | but remember, the individual devices may have different driver needs |
| 10:02.58 | languish | the G1 has proprietary (closed source) drivers for certain hardware |
| 10:03.19 | languish | on openmoko, well.. android would be completely "open" in the sense you wish the G1 was |
| 10:03.29 | tripps | after all, my machine is xpc, carrier is phonoscope, distro is linux but all my updates come from the repos and not from hardware or carrier . . . eventually the phones will merely be handheld computers in that manner I suppose |
| 10:03.49 | languish | yep, one day |
| 10:03.55 | languish | hopefully sooner than later |
| 10:03.57 | tripps | s/linux/ubuntu |
| 10:04.01 | tripps | right |
| 10:04.09 | languish | which is sort of what google is aiming for |
| 10:04.15 | languish | they got their foot in the door |
| 10:04.15 | tripps | exactly |
| 10:04.37 | tripps | perhaps a sneak attack. the carriers don't know exactly what they've gotten themselves into ;) |
| 10:04.50 | languish | but the carriers and hardware manufacturers are still too uptight/conservative |
| 10:04.57 | languish | they know |
| 10:05.04 | languish | they;re "seeing how it goes" |
| 10:05.15 | languish | they already have "open" devices on some of their networks |
| 10:05.53 | languish | but the real issue is their concern for keeping the network stable, in case of a severely misconfigured device, or badly developed app |
| 10:06.05 | languish | (or intentionally destrictive app) |
| 10:06.23 | tripps | right I suppose that's a legitimate concern |
| 10:06.27 | languish | verses their potential revenue stream from "managed" devices |
| 10:07.07 | languish | they ave legitimate concerns, but they're still asshats about how they usually handle them |
| 10:07.30 | tripps | no doubt |
| 10:07.38 | languish | googles taking the high slow road to dealing with it, but... |
| 10:07.50 | tripps | the writing's on the wall. they can go the way of the typewriter or get with the program |
| 10:07.56 | languish | well |
| 10:08.01 | languish | not necessarily |
| 10:08.12 | languish | if the experiment fails.. |
| 10:08.25 | languish | they can turn around and point and say "see this doesn't work" |
| 10:08.29 | languish | but.. |
| 10:08.39 | tripps | didn't google secure its purchase of craploads of spectrum? |
| 10:08.41 | languish | new technologies may outdate them anyway |
| 10:08.53 | languish | no, google didn't buy the spectrum |
| 10:08.57 | tripps | mm |
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| 10:09.15 | tripps | supposed that was a hedge or something else entirely? |
| 10:09.19 | languish | they just ensured some part of it was available to alternative devices |
| 10:09.42 | languish | that carriers had to allow non destructive devices on their networks |
| 10:09.47 | languish | like the G1 |
| 10:10.01 | tripps | gotcha |
| 10:10.02 | languish | or openmoko |
| 10:10.47 | languish | that doesn't mean the carriers have to do it for free |
| 10:10.55 | languish | but this whole whitespaces issue... |
| 10:11.05 | languish | might rectify the problem of carrier controls |
| 10:11.41 | languish | <languish> like the G1 <- was a bad example since the G1 is a carrier device |
| 10:12.01 | tripps | right |
| 10:12.38 | tripps | and i suppose verizon is still on the fence about it? and sprint thinks "android isn't good enough?" |
| 10:12.44 | languish | but now you can still bring your standards compliant open source hardware device to the party |
| 10:13.18 | languish | sorint just isn; in a position to take adavtage of it yet, but they're all for it. so for now they're spindoctoring |
| 10:13.43 | languish | verizon, who knows |
| 10:14.12 | tripps | i know M$ is negotiating aggressively to get verizon |
| 10:16.28 | languish | well getting a device on verizon isn't the same thing as getting verizon to go tiwht them exclusively |
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| 10:17.18 | languish | it should be interesting to see what microsoft does |
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| 10:17.31 | tripps | yeah M$ plays for keeps :) |
| 10:17.47 | languish | microsoft is just trying to keep up right now |
| 10:18.07 | languish | they own danger now, but much of dangers talent went elsewhere. partly to android |
| 10:18.27 | tripps | ?danger |
| 10:18.39 | languish | danger = hiptop/sidekick |
| 10:18.44 | tripps | ah |
| 10:19.38 | languish | i think their purchase of danger was a poor decision, but they may have something in mind, we'll just have to wait and see |
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| 11:54.31 | blau | hmm |
| 11:55.03 | blau | do i have to do anything special to get vibration output in logcat |
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| 11:58.05 | blau | and even if you have vibrate off, the phone still vibrates if you have the vibrate mode profile on |
| 12:02.46 | SplasPood | Profile? |
| 12:03.05 | SplasPood | Managing rings/vibrate properly with android is still a bit of a mystery to me |
| 12:06.27 | blau | like the +/- on an actual g1 |
| 12:06.36 | blau | where it lowers volume, then hits vibrat emode then hits silent |
| 12:06.51 | blau | you can uncheck invcoming call vibrate in settings but it still vibrates |
| 12:06.57 | SplasPood | ahh |
| 12:07.12 | SplasPood | yea, I it really seems like this stuff is scattered all over |
| 12:07.17 | SplasPood | s/I// |
| 12:07.29 | SplasPood | oh, that's cute |
| 12:07.50 | blau | ol |
| 12:10.40 | blau | i cant see vibration logs in logcat but i see like a billion people on google able to |
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| 12:24.04 | vijay | hi is there a direct link for android source code? ....... im behing a firewall of institute and cant download it |
| 12:24.15 | vijay | through git |
| 12:24.33 | vijay | if someone could share that would be of great help |
| 12:25.23 | vijay | i want to compile it for my beagleboard ..... |
| 12:26.54 | vijay | how big is the complete source? |
| 12:27.12 | blau | 2 gigish |
| 12:28.20 | blau | grrr there appears to be no way to cancel a listener for phone calls |
| 12:28.52 | gambler | really? I guess you will have to do bool ignore; |
| 12:29.20 | vijay | 2 gigs? its so big ............ are there any snapshots available for direct download? |
| 12:30.02 | blau | oh wait there is nevermind |
| 12:31.05 | kRutOn | vijay: try transconnect |
| 12:31.25 | blau | To unregister a listener, pass the listener object and set the events argument to LISTEN_NONE (0). |
| 12:31.25 | blau | Parameters |
| 12:31.25 | blau | listenerThe PhoneStateListener object to register (or unregister) |
| 12:31.37 | kRutOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.18 | kRutOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:32.33 | blau | wonder if it has to be the same listener or just same class |
| 12:32.48 | kRutOn | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:33.39 | tauno | vijay, http://android.git.kernel.org/ -> http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=snapshot for example |
| 12:34.15 | tauno | I'm too slow :( |
| 12:34.31 | kRutOn | I'll pretend you were typing that over an EDGE network |
| 12:34.54 | kRutOn | Which means you could have possibly typed it 5 minutes ago and the packets are just now arriving. |
| 12:38.08 | vijay | sould i checkout the complete base.git? for compiling android ........ is there any thing else i need |
| 12:38.09 | vijay | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=tree |
| 12:39.16 | kRutOn | vijay: I believe you need everything mentioned in the manifest |
| 12:39.19 | kRutOn | http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/manifest.git;a=tree |
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| 12:45.59 | blau | grrr, phonecall listener needs the exact same number |
| 12:47.04 | blau | object |
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| 13:16.30 | vijay | @kRutOn .......... thats lots of stuff to download ........ i dont know how much time it will take :( with my 10kbps speed |
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| 16:40.09 | Disconnect | anyone got a simple example of a standard listview? the docs i'm finding either cover the simplelistview thing that takes a db cursor or super custom wacky ones. i just need a basic listview :) |
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| 16:57.23 | tauno | What's up with the download in Market? If I try to download the "PAC-MAN" thingie, then it alerts me with "Download declined. The download of .... was declined because you haven't purchased it." <- were'nt apps suposed to be free? Or isn't this a Market app dialog? |
| 16:57.34 | tauno | wrong place for the ' |
| 17:01.47 | Disconnect | tauno: it goes back and forth. that one is a pita. |
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| 17:05.58 | d0nets | lol someones comment about the telnet client on the market says "rm -rf /" |
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| 17:20.17 | tauno | Disconnect, so the Market app is buggy? (or the backend) |
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| 17:28.24 | KNY | tauno, I would guess that app is buggy |
| 17:28.33 | KNY | I installed it without problem |
| 17:29.06 | KNY | I would guess they wrote in the for-pay functionality but disabled it until the Market gets the ability to charge, but something causes it to re-enable itself for some people |
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| 17:53.10 | tauno | KNY, k |
| 17:53.27 | blau | does logcat sitll show vibration? |
| 17:53.35 | tauno | what's the de facto standard app for reading qrcodes on Android? |
| 17:54.07 | tauno | ZXing? |
| 17:56.05 | blau | http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ |
| 17:57.08 | tauno | found "Barcode scanner (ZXing Team)" from market.. let's give it a try then :) |
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| 18:01.53 | mattgyver83 | When i try to download some mp3 files through browser i get 'download unsuccessful' does anyone know why this might be? |
| 18:02.04 | mattgyver83 | i can download anything else |
| 18:05.30 | blau | grrr |
| 18:05.32 | tauno | the builtin browser assumes that you are a thief I guess :/ |
| 18:05.43 | blau | i cant get lofcat to show vibration |
| 18:06.08 | tauno | just kidding.. I think it has to be a bug ;) |
| 18:06.36 | p_quarles | mattgyver83: the browser has trouble with dynamic content -- file parameters that point to a dynamic file won't download correctly, I've noticed |
| 18:07.28 | tauno | (the barcode scanner that I tried worked just fine.. it's just the camera that doesn't allow it to scan small codes printed on various products :( ) |
| 18:08.40 | blau | tried to make a custom vibration for phone calls but it didnt work grr |
| 18:09.39 | mattgyver83 | p_quarels, if you had root w/busybox setup would wget be a sufficient workaround, or would it be the same issue? |
| 18:21.36 | blau | rarr |
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| 19:02.16 | Smoke777Screen | Hi everyone |
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| 19:02.50 | wastrel | the included earbuds don't fit me well |
| 19:02.52 | wastrel | h8n |
| 19:02.59 | Smoke777Screen | Anybody know whether there is a free file manager for Android out there? Crazy that one isn't included |
| 19:03.44 | offby1 | pretty sure there's one in the Market, under Applications |
| 19:03.48 | offby1 | can't remember what it's called |
| 19:04.34 | Smoke777Screen | um stupid question but how do I get to the market :) I'm using the emulator |
| 19:04.41 | offby1 | oh. |
| 19:04.46 | offby1 | dunno if that's in the emulator or not. |
| 19:04.49 | offby1 | lemme check |
| 19:05.00 | DarkriftX | nope |
| 19:05.04 | DarkriftX | no market in emulator |
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| 19:05.42 | offby1 | "Android File Manager" by nylinda.com |
| 19:05.45 | Smoke777Screen | :( the only apk of a file manager I could find gives me an error message when I try install it using adb |
| 19:06.15 | offby1 | there might be others, too; that's just the first one I found |
| 19:06.40 | Smoke777Screen | any way of accessing the sdcard from Windows |
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| 19:06.49 | wastrel | hrm |
| 19:06.50 | Smoke777Screen | I know you can put stuff on |
| 19:06.58 | wastrel | so if i want to listen to streaming content how do i go about doing that? |
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| 19:07.16 | offby1 | Smoke777Screen: I've never gotten Windows to recognize the card. This is the one case I know of where Linux works unequivocally better than Windows :) |
| 19:07.28 | offby1 | Smoke777Screen: http://afm.nylinda.com/ |
| 19:07.44 | Smoke777Screen | offby1: Yeah was just there |
| 19:08.13 | Smoke777Screen | offby1: They're selling it for $10 |
| 19:09.04 | Smoke777Screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:09.12 | Smoke777Screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:11.41 | Smoke777Screen | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:12.12 | offby1 | I'd have thought that any app that my phone could download, could be easily downloaded by a normal browser. |
| 19:13.36 | Smoke777Screen | does the market just a web page or an app on the G1 |
| 19:14.30 | wastrel | i need an adapter so i can use my good earbuds - any recommendations? |
| 19:15.15 | offby1 | Smoke777Screen: I didn't understand your question. |
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| 19:16.20 | Smoke777Screen | offby1: you said you could download using your phones browser so why not a normal one. I was wondering if you were refering to downloading from the Android Market and if so what is the URL |
| 19:18.24 | offby1 | oh, I didn't mean that I could download using my phone's _browser_; I just meant that the "Market" app was able to download them. But I'd be surprised if the Market app were not doing a simple http GET. |
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| 19:20.01 | mikey| | hello all, I have a textview with android:autoLink set to web|email. When I enter a web or email addy, it doesn't linkify it. When I rotate and then restore to original orientation, it does link them. Any ideas why it doesn't work properly? |
| 19:21.09 | Smoke777Screen | offby1: yeah |
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| 19:27.58 | tauno | mikey| are you setting the value of the TextView also in xml? |
| 19:28.19 | mikey| | no, just autoLink value |
| 19:28.25 | mikey| | the data is added later |
| 19:29.12 | mikey| | tauno: when you say value, do you mean android:text? |
| 19:29.54 | tauno | yes, the content of the TextView :) |
| 19:30.19 | tauno | eg android:text from xml or textView.setText() from code |
| 19:30.35 | mikey| | originally I use setText, then I use append() |
| 19:31.12 | tauno | and the links are added by the append()? |
| 19:32.37 | mikey| | do I need to run the text via the linkify class when appending text? |
| 19:32.59 | mikey| | append doesnt link the text, but when changing and restoring orientation, the text is linked |
| 19:34.00 | tauno | I mean are the links added in append .. like append("something www.something.com") or do you add the links in setText("something www.something.com")? |
| 19:35.08 | mikey| | it takes input from the user via an edittext and then uses append() to append that text onto the textview |
| 19:35.33 | mikey| | i put in http://www.google.com, no link |
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| 19:36.30 | tauno | just a test - try to call textView.setText(textView.getText()) AFTER you append something to it |
| 19:36.57 | tauno | just add it to the next line after your append() call |
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| 19:37.45 | mikey| | still nothing |
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| 19:38.49 | tauno | ok, then it's not a bug in TextViews append() at least I guess :) |
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| 19:49.20 | tauno | mikey| I tried to make a simple test application -> if I just use textView.append(" www.google.com "); then the text WON'T be linkified. If I do textView.append(" www.google.com "); textView.setText(textView.getText()); then it DOES linkify stuff.. |
| 19:49.49 | mikey| | strange... |
| 19:49.59 | mikey| | i tried that line of code, but it didnt work for me |
| 19:50.11 | mikey| | the code worked, it just didnt do the links |
| 19:52.07 | tauno | strange indeed. sure that you called textView.setText(textView.getText()); after you appended stuff to it? :) (and sure that it's the right textview etc..?) |
| 19:52.15 | tauno | just to be sure doublecheck it :) |
| 19:53.11 | mikey| | i'll try it again |
| 19:54.37 | mikey| | nope, still didnt link it |
| 19:54.40 | tauno | it's just that: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1244&can=1&q=append&colspec=ID%20Type%20Version%20Security%20Status%20Owner%20Summary |
| 19:55.34 | tauno | but in your case it has to be something other then |
| 19:55.57 | mikey| | i'm using an edittext which sends the input text to a handler, the handler method using Message.obj.toString(), and appends that. Could that be an issue? |
| 19:57.05 | mikey| | i stuck setText(http://www.google.com) as the first thing my app does, and it does link it then |
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| 20:17.30 | Gain | hi |
| 20:17.45 | Gain | when developing apps in eclipse is there someway to avoid continuously booting up the phone when debugging your app |
| 20:17.52 | Gain | (the emulator phone) |
| 20:18.22 | umdk1d3 | you can keep the emulator on the whole time, and it will auto reinstall your app when you run it |
| 20:18.28 | kRutOn | Gain: don't exit the emulator... |
| 20:18.39 | blau | you dont have to restart the emu |
| 20:19.20 | blau | how can i test vibration in the emu |
| 20:19.30 | blau | it seems that at some point logcat talked about vibration |
| 20:22.51 | Gain | thanks |
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| 20:37.40 | tech9iner | hello all |
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| 20:41.43 | tech9iner | SanMehat, any known full backup path or app or ?? of all data including call logs etc please? |
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| 20:50.41 | d03boy | tech9iner, how many times are you going to ask that |
| 20:52.05 | tech9iner | d03boy, dad? that you? |
| 20:52.59 | d03boy | go sit in the corner |
| 20:53.08 | d03boy | and dont come out until you've learned your lesson |
| 20:53.12 | tech9iner | lmao.. aww paw.. |
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| 20:55.21 | khert | how do i find out the IP on my G1? |
| 20:55.32 | d03boy | whatismyip.com |
| 20:55.36 | nizox | ifconfig |
| 20:56.03 | khert | thnx |
| 20:56.19 | d03boy | what should I name my Activity when I'm creating my new android project |
| 20:56.38 | d03boy | is ther eany sort of guideline? |
| 20:57.07 | d03boy | how many Activities will an app have |
| 20:57.35 | d03boy | one for closed screen and oen for opened? |
| 20:57.53 | blau1 | no, you can have the same activity for both |
| 20:58.09 | blau1 | its probably ideal for it to be the same |
| 20:59.01 | tech9iner | anyone played with way to utilize the gremote market app without internet connections? perhaps way to configure the pc's server for it to local? (can imagine using this feature for client presentations on laptops; would be impressive if stable) |
| 20:59.02 | d03boy | what should I name it |
| 20:59.19 | blau1 | do you have any background in programming? |
| 20:59.26 | d03boy | plenty |
| 20:59.37 | d03boy | im just not entirely sure what an activity is for |
| 20:59.58 | blau1 | the way i understand it, is an activity is basically a screen |
| 21:00.11 | d03boy | but then whats a view? |
| 21:00.21 | blau1 | a view is like a component or control |
| 21:02.54 | d03boy | so what should I name my activity |
| 21:03.18 | blau1 | PurposeActivity |
| 21:03.26 | blau1 | PreferencesActivity |
| 21:03.31 | blau1 | ItemListActivity |
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| 21:24.56 | d03boy | should I leave teh AndroidManifest.xml named that? |
| 21:25.05 | d03boy | or should it be AppnameManifest.xml |
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| 21:25.52 | wastrel | androidmanifest |
| 21:27.38 | d03boy | thank you sir |
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| 21:28.44 | mikey| | can Eclipse show lines to show where a brace starts and ends? Like the feature in Notepad++ |
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| 22:00.48 | Ando | is there an alternative for certain sites that use flash for the G1 phone? |
| 22:04.00 | jasta | use other sites? :) |
| 22:06.14 | blau1 | lol |
| 22:06.25 | blau1 | i had someone who used my shortcut program, email me to make a flash app :( |
| 22:07.53 | KNY | blau1, haha, nice |
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| 22:12.48 | mpardo | How can I start an activity automatically when the OS is booted? |
| 22:12.50 | Damm | I wish flash wasn't so damned popular. |
| 22:17.57 | blau1 | mpardo: boot_completed action |
| 22:17.58 | blau1 | setup a receiver for it |
| 22:18.38 | mpardo | ah thx... that's what I'm reading |
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| 22:34.24 | vipdroid | yay @ irc on g1 |
| 22:35.21 | blau1 | web? |
| 22:35.26 | blau1 | or via app? |
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| 22:36.25 | vipdroid | app |
| 22:37.10 | blau1 | market? |
| 22:37.32 | vipdroid | nope beta |
| 22:37.59 | blau1 | ah |
| 22:38.00 | blau1 | cool |
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| 22:44.58 | KNY | I think we have about 10 different people all working on IRC applications |
| 22:45.20 | d03boy | ya |
| 22:45.24 | blau1 | lol |
| 22:45.28 | blau1 | i know michaelnovakjr is |
| 22:45.34 | d03boy | i am |
| 22:45.34 | KNY | yeah |
| 22:45.39 | blau1 | im working on wayy too many apps |
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| 22:45.42 | blau1 | sigh |
| 22:46.11 | d03boy | is there any reason you should be able to type in irc from the vertical view? |
| 22:46.20 | blau1 | ran into a problem with custom vibration for phone calls |
| 22:46.25 | d03boy | for me, im just making it a viewer |
| 22:46.27 | blau1 | d03: no reason you shouldnt be able to |
| 22:46.28 | KNY | d03boy, only if someone makes an OSK |
| 22:46.39 | KNY | or if a new device comes out |
| 22:46.58 | blau1 | if you are considering removing the text box that you type into when they close the keyboard |
| 22:47.00 | blau1 | id leave it there |
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| 22:53.30 | d03boy | i dont understand why we dont team up on the whole irc business |
| 22:56.09 | blau1 | everyone has different ideas |
| 22:56.19 | blau1 | implement them and steal the good ones from others |
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| 23:09.27 | Andomic | Ando |
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| 23:16.31 | blau1 | think im gonna work on fake phone call app |
| 23:16.53 | blau1 | steal some thunder from the iphone app |
| 23:17.09 | d03boy | haha |
| 23:17.26 | Disconnect | we need the one that was featured in one of the ads, for randomly selecting restaurants |
| 23:18.11 | blau1 | i feel like i saw that app recently |
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| 23:18.35 | blau1 | local search spinner |
| 23:19.11 | Disconnect | yah roulette wheel (with motion sensor for shaking) that spins food type, restaurant, cost.. |
| 23:19.14 | d03boy | why is this so damn difficult to find a simple button example |
| 23:19.51 | blau1 | d03: whatcha trying to do |
| 23:20.00 | tech9iner | appreciates d03boy 's plight.. sux being a human bean on all levels huh lad hehe.. |
| 23:20.21 | d03boy | im trying to make a button lol |
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| 23:20.28 | d03boy | i dont remember the attributes or whatever |
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| 23:26.52 | kcoury | hey guys, I was wondering if someone could help me with a problem I'm having on an orientation change |
| 23:28.54 | blau | ok |
| 23:29.55 | d03boy | is this a pop quiz? |
| 23:32.36 | kcoury | I'm starting a new thread to handle a long running task in my app but when orientation changes and the thread posts to the handler I guess the thread is referring to the old handler and my UI isn't getting updated |
| 23:32.39 | eggy | ^ |
| 23:33.03 | blau | ahh hmm |
| 23:33.15 | blau | update something in the thread on orientation change |
| 23:33.55 | tauno | kcoury, you guess or you know? |
| 23:36.18 | kcoury | tauno: I'm actually not sure. I know the handler is being called after the orientation change but it's not affecting the UI like it would if I didn't change the orientation |
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| 23:48.36 | kcoury | there is a lot of discussion on the group about it but no sample code that really illustrates how it should work |
| 23:48.52 | blau | have you used the debugger? |
| 23:49.23 | kcoury | yeah I've been adding log output to all parts of my code |
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| 23:53.41 | zhobbs | kcoury: check out Activity.getLastNonConfigurationInstance() |
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| 23:53.57 | zhobbs | kcoury: that will let you pass 1 object during an orientation change |
| 23:54.02 | zhobbs | and get it back on the other side |
| 23:54.11 | zhobbs | so you could pass a Thread |
| 23:56.14 | kcoury | zhobbs: thanks, I'm going to try that |
| 23:57.07 | zhobbs | kcoury: it's kinda tricky to do, you have to manage the state in the thread, and keep the results of the work around in case the thread finishes during the orientation change |
| 23:59.04 | zhobbs | I did this for one Activity/Thread and decided that in my case managing the orientation change manually was much easier |
