| 00:00.28 | spikebike | yeah |
| 00:00.39 | spikebike | thus most mp3 players now have an object store interface |
| 00:01.02 | sodenrox | is there an irc client for android yet |
| 00:01.08 | spikebike | it's called ssh ;-) |
| 00:01.20 | sodenrox | pterminal? |
| 00:01.25 | spikebike | I wonder how hard it would be to add to the IM |
| 00:01.29 | RyeBrye | heart pterminal |
| 00:01.36 | spikebike | connectbot is easier |
| 00:01.37 | sodenrox | is it like a bash shell? |
| 00:01.44 | spikebike | not in the market |
| 00:01.54 | spikebike | there is a simple shell, but no default terminal |
| 00:02.03 | spikebike | connectbot is a terminal+ssh |
| 00:02.27 | sodenrox | that barcode scanner is dumb |
| 00:02.34 | orci | is there a sound recorder, that can encode in ogg or mp3 or something? |
| 00:02.35 | spikebike | dunno, I like it |
| 00:02.50 | spikebike | orci yeah, pretty sure |
| 00:02.58 | spikebike | not sure it's an icon, think you might need any cut |
| 00:03.18 | orci | spikebike, I searched for recorder in Market did not return anyhing useful |
| 00:04.30 | sodenrox | someone make a bitchx client tat would rock |
| 00:04.47 | spikebike | under applications there's something called sound recorder |
| 00:04.59 | spikebike | (on the g1, not the market) |
| 00:05.19 | ttuttle|voted | What is a "BitchX client"? Does BitchX have a proxy protocol, or do you mean an IRC client? |
| 00:05.20 | spikebike | 16:05:05 Obama=(147768, 3) Mccain=(157889, 8) |
| 00:05.23 | spikebike | mccain's in the lead |
| 00:05.34 | sodenrox | well how about a ported bitchx for the phone |
| 00:05.45 | ttuttle|voted | sodenrox: Why BitchX? Also, you can't "port" BitchX. It's not in Java. |
| 00:05.57 | ttuttle|voted | Someone should just write or port a Java IRC client. |
| 00:06.00 | sodenrox | i dont know the right terming |
| 00:06.02 | sodenrox | for it |
| 00:06.09 | ttuttle|voted | A clone? |
| 00:06.13 | orci | spikebike, strange mine does not have that. I just have music |
| 00:06.15 | sodenrox | there you go |
| 00:06.18 | sodenrox | whatever |
| 00:06.24 | sodenrox | i want bitchx on my g1 |
| 00:06.28 | ttuttle|voted | heh |
| 00:06.42 | ttuttle|voted | would prefer a client custom-designed for the G1 that's better. |
| 00:06.59 | Damm | why? |
| 00:07.09 | Damm | what is this infatuation with an older then dirt irc client |
| 00:07.17 | Damm | not like I can talk... but I'll try |
| 00:07.24 | sodenrox | first one i ever used |
| 00:07.30 | andyross | Have folks looked at mibbit.com -- it's an ajaxish web irc service. Stores logs for context, persistent connections. Probably a good fit for a phone. Haven't tried it on the G1. |
| 00:07.31 | Damm | install irssi |
| 00:07.32 | Damm | move on |
| 00:09.27 | orci | spikebike, any ideas where i may find this application? |
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| 00:12.34 | spikebike | hmmm, not sure, I don't recall installing it |
| 00:13.50 | RyeBrye | If I wanted to go about debugging my phone's wifi connection - can I just leave adb logcat open and just have it monitor wifi events? |
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| 00:14.17 | RyeBrye | does not like reporting bugs unless he can attach a patch to said bug |
| 00:14.18 | spikebike | orci it's not under setup -> applications -> manage applications or similar? |
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| 00:15.47 | RyeBrye | spikebike - how many failures are you up to now for "Failures since last success" |
| 00:15.50 | RyeBrye | ? |
| 00:15.59 | spikebike | 17 at last count |
| 00:16.10 | RyeBrye | I'm on 7 now, and I was at 0 when you last counted :) |
| 00:16.15 | orci | spikebike, ah it is there, but it does not have a launcher in the applications drawer, so I do not know how to start it |
| 00:16.51 | orci | spikebike, also it does not use any hard disk space, isn't that weird? |
| 00:17.37 | RyeBrye | a 0 byte application? |
| 00:17.39 | RyeBrye | sounds useful |
| 00:18.09 | orci | RyeBrye, toal: 0 application: 0 data: 0 |
| 00:18.16 | RyeBrye | nice |
| 00:18.28 | orci | RyeBrye, I did not delete it |
| 00:18.37 | orci | i never saw it actually |
| 00:18.38 | RyeBrye | what is it? |
| 00:18.44 | orci | sound recorder app |
| 00:18.45 | RyeBrye | oh |
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| 00:20.51 | trashguy | is there any XMPP clients? |
| 00:21.24 | benley | well, the google talk client is kinda an xmpp client |
| 00:22.14 | trashguy | well lol |
| 00:22.18 | trashguy | to my |
| 00:22.19 | trashguy | server |
| 00:22.31 | trashguy | i have an openfire server |
| 00:22.41 | spikebike | yeah, I'm using gtalk on gmail.com and my g1 as an xmpp client |
| 00:24.11 | trashguy | how |
| 00:24.18 | trashguy | do you add a different |
| 00:24.21 | trashguy | xmpp server |
| 00:27.40 | Damm | not one written yet |
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| 00:37.11 | orci | hehe, I installed this funny app breadcrumbz, but no idea how to exit it. It runs all the time |
| 00:37.20 | orci | it has an icon on left top |
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| 00:39.25 | cmonexaway | hmm, i read back a bit - about sim unlocking, nowadays the unlock code is not generated based on IMEI |
| 00:39.32 | cmonexaway | you either get the database or hack the radio |
| 00:39.43 | cmonexaway | [20:10:28] <Disconnect> you need a legit unlock code, period. (or gsm firmware and the ability to write it, which is what happened to the iphone. but thats unlikely to do any more than destroy the radio, assuming you can get in there to begin with) |
| 00:39.49 | cmonexaway | how is it unlikely to do more than that :) |
| 00:40.32 | cmonexaway | (clarification about IMEI: it is not generated from IMEI, but of course the database stores it with imei so it can be found) |
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| 00:44.59 | uluatu_ | is there a virtual keyboard for android yet? |
| 00:46.13 | orci | how can i kill an app in android |
| 00:46.21 | DannyB | you can virtually type whateverg you virtually want |
| 00:46.27 | spikebike | pterminal and kill |
| 00:46.40 | spikebike | 16:46:33 Obama=(1339923, 3) Mccain=(1301494, 8) |
| 00:46.45 | orci | spikebike, what is a pterminal? |
| 00:47.01 | spikebike | install it from the market |
| 00:47.08 | orci | oh ok thanks |
| 00:48.37 | uluatu_ | DannyB: ok, so point me on the docs about it. |
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| 00:51.04 | benley | uluatu_: I haven't seen an onscreen keyboard yet. |
| 00:52.37 | uluatu_ | benley: I saw this one, but it suppose to be available on next year... http://gizmodo.com/5067760/android-is-getting-a-touchscreen-keyboard-next-year |
| 00:52.41 | orci | spikebike, ps | grep bread does not return anything |
| 00:52.49 | uluatu_ | benley: but it is running on the screenshot... |
| 00:53.00 | spikebike | is there a grep? |
| 00:53.16 | uluatu_ | benley: so it is already available somewhere |
| 00:53.17 | jbq | current roadmap says "next year" for soft keyboard: http://source.android.com/roadmap |
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| 00:54.14 | orci | spikebike, should not I receive an error in that case? |
| 00:58.23 | spikebike | maybe |
| 00:58.34 | spikebike | embedded environment aren't necessarily as good on help, syntax, and errors |
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| 00:59.24 | hackbod | uluatu_, i have no idea what soft keyboard that is a screenshot of, but it has nothing to do with what is being done for the platform |
| 01:00.09 | uluatu_ | hackbod: this what i thought... |
| 01:00.15 | uluatu_ | hackbod: thanks to clarify. |
| 01:01.10 | uluatu_ | hackbod: and what about the keyboard that runs on the emulator, is it using some API? Is it trivial to deliver such keyboard or what? |
| 01:02.26 | hackbod | that is part of the emulator; it is completely outside of the platform |
| 01:02.40 | hackbod | it's basically the same as the 5-way and other hard keys on the emulator UI |
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| 01:07.35 | uluatu_ | hackbod: ok |
| 01:08.07 | uluatu_ | something that should be threated as "soft" is the buttons. |
| 01:08.26 | hackbod | which buttons? |
| 01:08.29 | uluatu_ | most of phones will require that to work properly |
| 01:08.44 | uluatu_ | im usinf freerunner, as an example. |
| 01:08.50 | uluatu_ | freerunner has only two buttons |
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| 01:08.54 | hackbod | ah |
| 01:08.59 | uluatu_ | and G1 has much more |
| 01:09.07 | hackbod | well we require call, end, home, back |
| 01:09.11 | hackbod | non-negotiable |
| 01:09.14 | uluatu_ | some features will require them, right? |
| 01:09.28 | hackbod | if you want to make it work on something without those buttons, you can try to hack some stuff |
| 01:09.46 | uluatu_ | hmmm |
| 01:09.47 | hackbod | but there are no plans in the foreseeable future to remove the requirement for those buttons |
| 01:10.05 | uluatu_ | so the hw must have at least four |
| 01:10.13 | jbq_ | ... or you can discuss the changes on android-platform and submit appropriate patches... but that's not an easy area to work on *at all*. |
| 01:10.14 | hackbod | if nothing else, that would break most existing applications unless a part of the screen was reserved to display soft versions of those buttons |
| 01:10.55 | uluatu_ | like the answer button... the incoming call should popup a soft verrsion of that button |
| 01:11.18 | uluatu_ | maybe an user application could do that |
| 01:11.19 | hackbod | (but if you reserve part of the display for that, it can't be used for anything, even games, and then if you are using a standard lcd panel the game won't get the space on the screen it expects) |
| 01:11.38 | ttuttle|voted | Hey, is anyone else having a problem where when they're listening to music and you answer an incoming call, the headset mic doesn't work? |
| 01:12.04 | hackbod | you could modify specific parts of the ui like the phone to do that, though i doubt such changes would be accepted back into the general platform, at least if they aren't conditionalized |
| 01:12.29 | uluatu_ | the "open source" flag will require some freedom to chois hw. |
| 01:12.38 | uluatu_ | *choose hardware |
| 01:12.51 | jbq_ | such changes are unlikely to be accepted if the design isn't carefully discussed ahead of time. |
| 01:13.31 | uluatu_ | it seems that the source as it is will only run on the G1. |
| 01:13.38 | hackbod | my personal opinion: the goal of android (at least at this point) is not to run on every piece of hardware under the sun |
| 01:13.57 | hackbod | our ui model specifies some basic requirements about the hardware, including a minimum set of hard keys |
| 01:14.06 | ttuttle|voted | hackbod: Hey. |
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| 01:14.55 | jbq_ | uluatu_: honestly, the source as it was released barely runs on a G1 (I've tried). |
| 01:14.57 | uluatu_ | hackbod: where i can find such doc? |
| 01:15.36 | uluatu_ | the hw requirement, could you point me there? |
| 01:15.38 | hackbod | which doc |
| 01:15.48 | hackbod | today hardware requirement == g1 |
| 01:15.58 | uluatu_ | ok |
| 01:16.17 | uluatu_ | what is your opinion about the freerunner inicative? |
| 01:16.21 | uluatu_ | *iniciative |
| 01:16.25 | hackbod | there is work being done to extend that to address other hardware configurations (for ex soft keyboard support) but 1.0 is specifically there to make a great product on the g1 |
| 01:16.49 | jbq | uluatu_: a lot of work to support an obsolete and incomplete CPU architecture. |
| 01:17.31 | hackbod | uluatu_, i think it is cool and it will be great to see it running on there, but our main focus needs to be on what is needed to support products that will be shipping with android |
| 01:17.31 | danfuzz | fwiw, i think itls awesome that they're doing it, even though the arch is a bit long in the tooth |
| 01:17.37 | ttuttle|voted | hackbod: I think I found a bug. |
| 01:17.49 | danfuzz | it's |
| 01:17.57 | romainguy | ttuttle|voted: then file it |
| 01:18.08 | ttuttle|voted | romainguy: Okay. |
| 01:18.15 | ttuttle|voted | romainguy: /me wants to see if anyone can replicate it first. |
| 01:18.27 | ttuttle|voted | romainguy: Is all Android bugtracking now going through b.android.com? |
| 01:18.29 | uluatu_ | jbq: Ive been catched about the openess in hardware specifications |
| 01:18.34 | heat | software has no bugs! |
| 01:18.36 | heat | move along! |
| 01:18.37 | ttuttle|voted | hackbod: I disagree. |
| 01:18.48 | ttuttle|voted | er |
| 01:18.49 | hackbod | about what? |
| 01:18.50 | ttuttle|voted | heat: I disagree. |
| 01:18.54 | ttuttle|voted | hackbod: Sorry, tab-complete misfire. |
| 01:19.03 | uluatu_ | hackbod: freerunner will ship with android |
| 01:19.48 | jbq | well, the question is whether it'll ship with the real thing, or some hack-and-slash fork. |
| 01:19.49 | uluatu_ | the hw spec is not the master top ultra |
| 01:20.04 | heat | arm9 :( |
| 01:20.06 | uluatu_ | but it is open and has some intersting roadmap |
| 01:21.03 | jbq | heat: arm9 wouldn't be an issue if it had an ARMv5T instruction set. |
| 01:21.39 | uluatu_ | everything ship like hack-and-slash, gets better with time |
| 01:22.18 | danfuzz | jbq: as long as the application api isn't hacknslashed, it'll probably be fine |
| 01:22.36 | jbq | there are levels, though. I wouldn't want to sacrifice G1 support for the freerunner. freerunning in addition to G1, cool. freerunner instead of G1, not cool. |
| 01:22.48 | uluatu_ | the real thing is that you know what you have and open up a lot of business around that. There is no more need to have your phone attached to some company. |
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| 01:24.05 | heat | jbq: true |
| 01:24.47 | jbq | As a personal opinion, I have no interest in the freerunner if I can't flash it from the android source tree and submit improvements back to the android source tree, but that's just me. I don't have anything against forks, they just don't interest me. And that's a personal opinion. |
| 01:25.23 | jasta | wow, that was crazy |
| 01:25.39 | jasta | its hailing in seattle |
| 01:25.58 | danfuzz | is it the End Times? |
| 01:26.22 | hackbod | uluatu, there are a number of things about the freerunner that i think don't match with current android to result in a great product: VGA screen (we are currently only doing HVGA), not enough buttons, no keyboard. |
| 01:26.59 | hackbod | some of these are on the roadmap (soft input), some are not yet but one would assume would be addressed (VGA), some would be really really hard to deal with (not enough buttons) |
| 01:27.47 | Dougie187 | jasta: seriously? Is it that cold there already? |
| 01:27.54 | jasta | snowing in the mountains |
| 01:27.54 | uluatu_ | hackbod: ok, thi is why the phone is threated as entirely open. You know what he has and what he is missing. |
| 01:28.01 | hackbod | so my definition of someone making a product with android is to design a piece of hardware to run the android system. |
| 01:28.12 | jasta | i bought a seasons pass this year :) |
| 01:28.21 | Dougie187 | you ski or snowboard? |
| 01:28.28 | uluatu_ | So, just put the changes on and stay with the software community |
| 01:28.30 | jasta | snowboard |
| 01:28.36 | hackbod | i think having an open phone hardware platform is wonderful. it would be great for them to do an iteration for android with the appropriate buttons and such. |
| 01:28.38 | Dougie187 | snowboarding is more fun, i think at least. |
| 01:28.49 | Dougie187 | do you own a board? |
| 01:28.58 | jasta | uhh, yeah ;) |
| 01:29.05 | hackbod | meanwhile the android system will be getting more flexible about handling other things like lack of keyboard. |
| 01:29.05 | Dougie187 | is it plastic? |
| 01:29.06 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 01:29.11 | uluatu_ | Dougie187: surfing here, south of Brazil. |
| 01:29.29 | Dougie187 | uluatu_: that sounds fun, but i have yet to try that. |
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| 01:29.41 | Dougie187 | I would like to wakeboard though too |
| 01:29.42 | uluatu_ | Dougie187: You should. |
| 01:29.45 | Dougie187 | water skiing is pretty fun |
| 01:29.58 | hackbod | but just trying to take some existing piece of hardware and cram android on to it is not I think likely to result in a good product. |
| 01:30.40 | jasta | hackbod: well, that depends entirely on the ambitions of the hacker :) |
| 01:30.42 | danfuzz | it's a great start, though, i think |
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| 01:31.14 | uluatu_ | hackbod: hey? Why not? |
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| 01:31.19 | jasta | for instance, you could undo a lot of assumptions made about the hardware (buttons, screen, etc) and construct an entirely new product |
| 01:31.25 | hackbod | yeah i am not saying it's not good to do... just that some of the things needed to make it work are probably not things we want in the main platform (such as whatever needs to be done to address the lack of hard buttons) |
| 01:31.30 | uluatu_ | hackbod: isn't it part of a product project? |
| 01:31.31 | jasta | binary compatible with Android, but otherwise not |
| 01:31.38 | jasta | hackbod: think GNOME versus KDE, for example. |
| 01:31.43 | uluatu_ | hackbod: mass testing |
| 01:31.58 | hackbod | jasta, are you talking about reworking the android ui to not rely on hard buttons? |
| 01:31.59 | uluatu_ | after that, mass development |
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| 01:32.23 | jasta | hackbod: i am saying anything is possible. you could just simply take the layers beneath the UI and go an entirely different direction if you wanted to as well |
| 01:32.43 | hackbod | jasta, sure you can, and that wouldn't be android, so it wouldn't be part of the android project |
| 01:33.03 | hackbod | basic issue: if you want to do something that is going to break all existing apps, i'd have a hard time calling the result android. |
| 01:33.21 | jasta | hackbod: it would be a misnomer to say either it is or is not android. |
| 01:33.35 | jasta | in this case, it would _use_ android, and be built atop it. |
| 01:33.47 | uluatu_ | hackbod: a good software should address future needs, like a "no button" PDA. |
| 01:34.01 | hackbod | well we can argue semantics, but if it doesn't run android apps, i really wouldn't think of it as android |
| 01:34.37 | jasta | hackbod: and it might run android apps all the same, or it might not. |
| 01:34.47 | hackbod | uluatu, would you like to have a good polished product that ships or a completely flexible product that doesn't? we chose the former. :) |
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| 01:35.22 | jasta | hackbod: semantics are important here. you don't want to squash the imagination :) |
| 01:35.27 | hackbod | we have a lot of flexibility built into the platform where it made sense, but there are just some fundamental aspects to the ui navigation that don't make sense to try to make super flexible any time soon. |
| 01:35.50 | jasta | and google likely will not |
| 01:35.55 | jasta | but someone might. |
| 01:36.02 | hackbod | jasta, i said earlier that you could do something like reserve a part of the screen for the required buttons |
| 01:36.12 | jasta | and to then say this product is now something other than android entirely is much too narrow, i think |
| 01:36.13 | hackbod | so there are things you can do and have android running on that hardware |
| 01:37.11 | hackbod | jasta, why would you -want- to call something "android" that is not compatible? isn't that just confusing to everyone? |
| 01:37.43 | jasta | i would merely say that it uses android, or is based on android, for instance. |
| 01:37.49 | jasta | but i would never say "it is not android." |
| 01:38.00 | jasta | as i said, semantics are important when the imagination is concerned |
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| 01:38.34 | gambler | is there a way to tell what device your running on? eg. if (G1) useAbsoluteLayout=true; else useLinearLayout=true; |
| 01:38.34 | jasta | wanders off |
| 01:39.13 | hackbod | gambler, look at android.os.Build |
| 01:39.51 | gambler | ah cool |
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| 01:41.03 | unix_infidel | gambler: i think the greater challenge is input models for various devices vs layout models. |
| 01:42.16 | gambler | unix_infidel, yeah thats a tricky one |
| 01:43.17 | unix_infidel | like for instance, we talked about this at AndroidDevCamp, how to accomodate for future devices without the back button. |
| 01:45.00 | gambler | Im confused about that already. KeyEvent.KEYCODE_DPAD_CENTER works on the emulator but not on the G1 skin. |
| 01:45.09 | gambler | Is the little roller ball clickable? |
| 01:45.24 | unix_infidel | yes. |
| 01:48.03 | gambler | ah i can comment that code back in then :p |
| 01:49.08 | unix_infidel | hmm, it seems the EAP server at the starbucks is running embedded linux (debian arm) |
| 01:49.13 | ttuttle|voted | EAP?! |
| 01:49.16 | ttuttle|voted | At Starbucks?! |
| 01:49.23 | unix_infidel | ttuttle|voted: yea. |
| 01:49.26 | ttuttle|voted | Wow. |
| 01:49.43 | unix_infidel | ttuttle|voted: they're called att hot spots :-P |
| 01:49.58 | ttuttle|voted | unix_infidel: Right. |
| 01:50.04 | ttuttle|voted | unix_infidel: Hmm, I have AT&T! |
| 01:50.27 | unix_infidel | so you can use them at any of a bajillion hotspots :-P |
| 01:51.48 | heat | i thought starbucks was a tmo house? |
| 01:51.58 | unix_infidel | they ditched T-Mobile. |
| 01:52.08 | unix_infidel | ttuttle|voted: yes you have ATT but you CHEATED! |
| 01:52.17 | unix_infidel | HEH. |
| 01:53.32 | ttuttle|voted | unix_infidel: yep ;-) |
| 01:53.48 | spikebike | 17:50:15 Obama=(8382722, 102) Mccain=(8469596, 34) |
| 01:54.33 | ttuttle|voted | spikebike: What's the format of that? |
| 01:54.47 | ttuttle|voted | spikebike: (votes, electors)? |
| 01:54.59 | unix_infidel | ttuttle|voted: (popular, electoral) |
| 01:55.03 | Laz | obama won |
| 01:55.17 | ttuttle|voted | cool |
| 01:55.20 | ttuttle|voted | spikebike: where's teh data from? |
| 01:55.48 | spikebike | an XMPP message ;-) |
| 01:55.54 | spikebike | cnn.com |
| 01:55.57 | ttuttle|voted | spikebike: ah |
| 01:56.23 | heat | laz: won? |
| 01:56.31 | heat | lets not get ahead of ourselves |
| 01:56.38 | heat | he's merely a 3rd of the way there |
| 01:57.16 | ahaberlacho | Fun that McCain has the popular vote, but Obama has the electoral. |
| 01:57.23 | ahaberlacho | By a pretty good margin so far. |
| 01:57.32 | heat | ahaberlacho: damn rednecks |
| 01:58.00 | Laz | he was winning texas for a bit ;P |
| 01:58.58 | orci | is there a todo app in android? |
| 01:59.09 | Laz | yes |
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| 02:01.37 | Laz | lol 174 electoral votes for obama |
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| 02:02.41 | ttuttle|voted | Laz: whoa, where? |
| 02:02.55 | ttuttle|voted | Ah, it just passed 9 PM. |
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| 02:05.41 | spikebike | 18:03:37 Obama=(10432403, 174) Mccain=(10418113, 49) |
| 02:05.56 | umdk1d3 | this just in: over 9000 electoral votes for ron paul |
| 02:06.06 | d0nets | nuh uh |
| 02:06.18 | d0nets | i wish |
| 02:06.22 | d0nets | ron paul is my hero |
| 02:07.23 | d0nets | hes the only real man that ran for president |
| 02:07.23 | d0nets | obama = mccain |
| 02:07.24 | d0nets | they both want to blow your money |
| 02:07.30 | d0nets | but at least obama wants to blow it in our country |
| 02:08.05 | d0nets | we need to get rid of dem and repub |
| 02:08.08 | umdk1d3 | d0nets: i agree :) |
| 02:08.11 | d0nets | they are essentialy 2 cartels |
| 02:08.12 | ttuttle|voted | swetland for president! |
| 02:08.26 | d0nets | thats why if you look at the debate commission or whatever its called, it consists of the heads of those 2 parties only |
| 02:08.36 | d0nets | so third party tickets have no chance of debating |
| 02:08.43 | d0nets | which is lame |
| 02:08.51 | gambler | abolish the political parties...and make corruption a death penalty offense |
| 02:08.58 | d0nets | amen |
| 02:08.58 | d0nets | lol |
| 02:09.12 | d0nets | i think with today's technology we could build a better infrastructure |
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| 02:09.17 | d0nets | utilize the constitution |
| 02:09.22 | d0nets | but amend where needed |
| 02:09.43 | d0nets | to modify the election process |
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| 02:15.07 | orci | Laz, which one is the todo app you mentioned? |
| 02:15.13 | merck | Good morning taiwan~ |
| 02:15.40 | wastrel | oh is there a good todo app now? |
| 02:15.46 | wastrel | also need ebook reader |
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| 02:17.42 | d0nets | i want a randomiser app |
| 02:17.57 | d0nets | one that you can put multiple choices in |
| 02:18.01 | d0nets | and it pics one randomly |
| 02:19.46 | gambler | you make decisions like that too? dont worry ill definitely write that at some point |
| 02:20.19 | cbeust | EightBall.apk? :) |
| 02:20.57 | spikebike | I want a shared todo |
| 02:21.06 | spikebike | synced between multiple G1s |
| 02:21.19 | gambler | cbeust, the accellerometer is there for a reason :p |
| 02:21.44 | cbeust | spikebike: Sounds like a Google Doc application |
| 02:21.46 | spikebike | i.e. grocery lists and th elike |
| 02:22.06 | spikebike | well there needs to be a notify aspect |
| 02:22.22 | spikebike | i.e. you said X, did you want brand a or b |
| 02:22.23 | cbeust | Yes, the back-end would use Doc and the front-end can do whatever you need |
| 02:22.39 | spikebike | or did you want 2.25 LBs or 3.5LBs |
| 02:24.49 | d0nets | http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f10/diy-creak-fix-4596/ |
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| 02:31.04 | Laz | orci: Toodo |
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| 02:33.06 | orci | Laz, thank you |
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| 02:35.20 | waldo-g1 | nbc calls ohio for ob. thus ends the election |
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| 02:35.56 | d0nets | eh? |
| 02:36.07 | waldo-g1 | obama |
| 02:36.53 | Disconnect | waldo-g1: watch AP. they're much more conservative (and historically more likely to be right) |
| 02:37.07 | umdk1d3 | yea nbc is deffy leaning obama |
| 02:37.13 | umdk1d3 | its the only thing i can watch here tho |
| 02:37.13 | neekers | whoever takes ohio takes the election? |
| 02:37.21 | umdk1d3 | no other local stations are broadcasting in HD correctly |
| 02:37.35 | umdk1d3 | local nbc affil looks gorgeous in HD |
| 02:37.44 | umdk1d3 | all the pretty bargraphs and stuff on the sides :) |
| 02:37.48 | ttuttle|voted | heh |
| 02:38.10 | Disconnect | neekers: lemme sum up. right now they're estimated roughly 50/50 in popular (individual) vote. but the electoral collage is about 150 obama, 60 mccain. (yes, the numbers are totally vague. the ratio si the important bit) |
| 02:38.27 | Disconnect | actually abc is 200/90 so .. |
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| 02:39.38 | languish | I wouldn't want to be a black person driving through a state that voted for mccain right now :| |
| 02:39.40 | Disconnect | ..tukw.qwest.net .. looks like usa. you should know this stuff. |
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| 02:40.16 | Disconnect | languish: actually.. most of the mccain supporters i've talked to nationwide are more about gun laws and taxes than race. but maybe i just know an enlightened set of rednecks :) |
| 02:40.22 | neekers | how much of the electoral college do you need? |
| 02:40.31 | ttuttle|voted | 270 |
| 02:40.33 | languish | Disconnect, hopefully so. :) |
| 02:40.34 | Disconnect | 270 |
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| 02:41.48 | languish | 2009 is sure gonna be interesting with a president that thinks there're 58 states |
| 02:41.59 | languish | chuckles |
| 02:42.27 | languish | but at least that's better than mccain |
| 02:42.28 | Disconnect | and .. i really think people getting fucked over by ballooning mortgage payments are total morons. "oh no its terrible everyone help, i borrowed money i couldn't pay back and now they want it.." |
| 02:42.41 | languish | Disconnect, agreed |
| 02:42.46 | languish | wholeheartedly |
| 02:42.48 | neekers | voted for obama |
| 02:42.54 | languish | we shouldn't be bailing these idiots out |
| 02:42.58 | Disconnect | (abc is running a little "omg we're hispanic and we lost our house christmas is gonna be terrible" segment) |
| 02:43.07 | languish | :| |
| 02:43.18 | languish | go to mexico, it's warmer |
| 02:43.22 | languish | :D |
| 02:43.26 | languish | problem solver |
| 02:43.30 | Disconnect | heh |
| 02:44.36 | Disconnect | is mortgaged exactly as far as we can reasonably be (and thats about 20% farther then we wanted to, but most of it went abck into the house) .. if we both get canned we have enough slack to get new jobs or sell the house. |
| 02:45.01 | languish | but yeah, we sure as hell shouldn't be bailing out executive golden parachutes on these failed companies, and calling people who could never afford a home in the first place "homeowners" |
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| 02:45.53 | Disconnect | remember 2002? "I'm Jeff, I'll be your waiter tonight. But here's my resume, I'm really a web designer. I'm really good with the windows and the netscape. Our specials tonight..." |
| 02:46.12 | ttuttle|voted | Disconnect: lol |
| 02:46.14 | languish | goes back to enjoying the drinks his wife made.. --> http://i33.tinypic.com/11t7i2h.jpg |
| 02:46.55 | Disconnect | ...that looks like something i last saw at a bachelorette party. |
| 02:46.59 | ttuttle|voted | Disconnect: looks yummy |
| 02:47.14 | Disconnect | but it makes me think i want to beg the wif to make mint juleps. |
| 02:47.29 | fcrick | elections over yy |
| 02:47.31 | fcrick | *yay |
| 02:47.42 | Disconnect | fcrick: give it a few hours |
| 02:47.47 | fcrick | nah its done |
| 02:47.57 | fcrick | ohio + pa for obama means win |
| 02:48.02 | ahaberlacho | It's only over if FL goes Obama. |
| 02:48.06 | fcrick | nope |
| 02:48.11 | fcrick | florida doesn't matter |
| 02:48.23 | ahaberlacho | I hear that WA is the state to watch now. |
| 02:48.43 | fcrick | no with NM he doesn't need WA |
| 02:48.50 | heat | what about canada? |
| 02:48.55 | Disconnect | fcrick: wait for the final results. lots of electronic voting machines still out there :/ |
| 02:49.03 | languish | it's Patron XO Cafe (coffee liquoer & tequila), baileys carmel irish cream, godiva white chocolate liquor, milk and whipped cream |
| 02:49.31 | fcrick | i dunno i live in WA and 0 chance of mccain win here |
| 02:49.31 | heat | languish: that sounds soo nasty |
| 02:49.39 | languish | it's delicious |
| 02:49.47 | heat | fcrick: seattle? |
| 02:49.48 | languish | not as sweet as it sounds either |
| 02:49.50 | fcrick | even if he takes WA obama wins |
| 02:49.51 | Disconnect | ..yah. sounds like a bj shooter. (baileys, kahluha, whipped creme) |
| 02:50.19 | ahaberlacho | There's a lot of Eastern Washington, even if it's sparsely populated. |
| 02:50.22 | languish | I still can't imagine how mccain won nore than 2 states at all |
| 02:50.36 | heat | languish: look atthe states he won |
| 02:50.41 | languish | yes i know |
| 02:50.43 | languish | facepalm |
| 02:50.55 | ahaberlacho | I can't believe Luisiana is still voting for Republicans, after Katrina. |
| 02:50.55 | heat | i wasnt expecting them to go to obama anyway |
| 02:51.02 | gambler | thats real America |
| 02:51.03 | heat | ahaberlacho: sheeple |
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| 02:51.24 | fcrick | most polls have WA 15 points up for obama...but it doesn't matter now |
| 02:51.59 | languish | well, we dodged a bullet, let's hope we didn't do it just to stand in front of a cannon |
| 02:53.06 | languish | VP elect Biden is one scary dude |
| 02:53.20 | heat | nah.. joe is awesome |
| 02:53.27 | fcrick | yeah biden is a little intense hehe |
| 02:53.29 | d0nets | biden aint bad |
| 02:53.35 | languish | if I didn't believe in personal freedoms, I'd agree with you |
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| 02:53.44 | heat | you still think you have those? |
| 02:53.48 | languish | no |
| 02:53.50 | heat | fool |
| 02:53.52 | languish | I just believe in them |
| 02:53.57 | d0nets | i do to |
| 02:53.58 | languish | I realize google owns my soul |
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| 02:54.12 | heat | i believe in gnomes |
| 02:54.12 | Disconnect | disagrees with the dem position on gun ownership right now. but disagrees way less than with most everything mccain/palin has said |
| 02:54.42 | Slackwise | I'm a Dem that believes in (hand)gun ownership. |
| 02:54.45 | languish | well, I think the whole election this time around was purposely tilted towards obama |
| 02:54.48 | d0nets | palin is a dumb cunt who has no place leading anything other than my _____ into her _____ |
| 02:54.53 | michaelrnovak | did i join the wrong channel? |
| 02:54.53 | heat | gun ownership for "safety" is stupid.. gun ownership for fun is aswesome! |
| 02:55.02 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: prolly |
| 02:55.09 | languish | michaelnovakjr, on erection night, every channel is the wrong channel |
| 02:55.13 | fcrick | d0nets: getting a little graphic there |
| 02:55.18 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: or at least, if you have something on topic you should interject before complaining :) |
| 02:55.19 | d0nets | yea sorry fcrick |
| 02:55.21 | fcrick | d0nets: you should check out #politics |
| 02:55.31 | d0nets | i figured sice we were talking about politics, id slip that in |
| 02:55.32 | michaelrnovak | just checking |
| 02:55.37 | fcrick | never seen the n-word used so much lol |
| 02:55.41 | d0nets | just like id slip my _____ into palins ____ |
| 02:55.50 | languish | *sigh* |
| 02:55.52 | heat | whats the difference between palin's mouth and vagina? |
| 02:55.56 | languish | st0ned, stop being a dork |
| 02:55.58 | Disconnect | d0nets: ..seriously, enough. |
| 02:56.02 | d0nets | sorry inttoit |
| 02:56.04 | d0nets | sorry guys |
| 02:56.05 | d0nets | but she is hot |
| 02:56.08 | heat | not everything coming out of her vagina is retarded |
| 02:56.08 | d0nets | you cant lie |
| 02:56.12 | d0nets | lol |
| 02:56.16 | d0nets | hahahahahahhaha |
| 02:56.18 | d0nets | hahahahahahah |
| 02:56.21 | Disconnect | ..unlike heat |
| 02:56.29 | _avatar | *sigh* indeed |
| 02:56.31 | heat | heh |
| 02:56.33 | fcrick | d0nets: dude yeah seriously check out #politics you ca't get kicked from that chan if you try as hard as you can |
| 02:56.33 | heat | i had to do it :( |
| 02:56.44 | d0nets | fcrick |
| 02:56.45 | d0nets | bs |
| 02:56.49 | fcrick | seriously |
| 02:56.51 | fcrick | try it |
| 02:56.52 | d0nets | i lasted 5 mins in that chan |
| 02:56.55 | d0nets | the first time i joined |
| 02:56.59 | d0nets | they dont like paulites |
| 02:56.59 | Disconnect | abc calling 200/130 for obama |
| 02:57.08 | d0nets | we pwn them |
| 02:57.19 | fcrick | yeah they all would call the election but too many polls still open |
| 02:57.41 | fcrick | i bet when the west coast closes polls everyone will call it |
| 02:58.44 | heat | well we know obama will take CA |
| 02:58.55 | heat | so that puts him at like 250+ |
| 02:59.01 | mmattice | where's the android election following app? |
| 02:59.02 | heat | he needs florida and its over |
| 02:59.11 | fcrick | yeah basically unless mccain wins california he loses |
| 02:59.29 | Disconnect | i know for a fact our polling location hasn't reported ('technical difficulties'.. shoud have gotten observer creds when i had the chance last week sigh) but md is called for obama. so remember that just cuz abc/cnn/whomever calls it doesn't mean its legit |
| 03:00.39 | fcrick | i dunno illegit won't bring back PA with mccain 25 points down with 47% reporting |
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| 03:01.14 | Disconnect | 4 more states/ 20 votes just closed |
| 03:01.47 | Disconnect | abc is calling iowa for obama, utah for mccain, unknown nevada, montana |
| 03:02.22 | fcrick | at this point Ohio is what you need to watch |
| 03:02.42 | fcrick | unless the Ohio call is revoked, mccain just can't get to 270 |
| 03:02.57 | Disconnect | only 7 electorals i thought |
| 03:03.03 | fcrick | Ohio? |
| 03:03.47 | Disconnect | sorry dyslexic'ed iowa/ohio |
| 03:04.55 | fcrick | but yeah unless like 90% of the remaining ppl in PA vote McCain, obama gets PA, and with PA and Ohio Obama has a 100% win chance |
| 03:05.10 | fcrick | those two states and its a lock |
| 03:08.31 | Disconnect | personally, i think that too many people are asking too many questions about elections after 2000/2004 and it'll be 2012 before anything happens to start people thinking again. (which applies even if obama would have lost...) |
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| 03:09.00 | spikebike | 19:08:43 Obama=(24199180, 207) Mccain=(23529805, 89) |
| 03:09.14 | tmccrary | oh boy I can feel my taxes going up already |
| 03:09.16 | Disconnect | abc is showing 207/135 |
| 03:09.51 | `vip | msnbc is showing 207/129 |
| 03:09.58 | Disconnect | tmccrary: most analysts don't expect anything to change for the next 2-3 years. also, how much would htey go down without the hemmorage of war and wasted bailouts? |
| 03:10.23 | tmccrary | hey the war in iraq was important |
| 03:10.40 | Disconnect | palin thinks iraq attacked the usa on 9/11. |
| 03:10.41 | tmccrary | it and afghanistan were clear messages to the surrounding tribals to not mess with texas |
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| 03:11.09 | Disconnect | http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/11/palin-iraq-911/ |
| 03:11.53 | tmccrary | well to be fair, alqaeda was in iraq |
| 03:12.05 | tmccrary | and one of their branches actually did carry out the attacks at the wtc |
| 03:12.23 | tmccrary | I stress was, because uncle sam put a boot in their ass and ran them out of the country |
| 03:12.37 | tmccrary | that said |
| 03:12.50 | tmccrary | I'm not to sure they were in iraq before 9/11 |
| 03:12.53 | tmccrary | *too |
| 03:13.20 | fcrick | i'm still confused as to why we invaded iraq... |
| 03:13.26 | tmccrary | yeah well, things is crazy |
| 03:13.35 | Disconnect | fcrick: because we lost vietnam |
| 03:13.36 | fcrick | just seemed so...bizarre... |
| 03:13.41 | tmccrary | personally, I think it was a strategic move to have a presence in the middle east |
| 03:13.51 | fcrick | at least there was a reason to go to vietnam |
| 03:13.59 | fcrick | even if it wasn't a good one |
| 03:14.09 | tmccrary | so it will be easier to mobilize when things get tight and we get tied of paying the middle east for our oil |
| 03:14.27 | tmccrary | I would say, strategically iraq was a much better move than vietnam |
| 03:14.33 | Disconnect | tmccrary: before we lit it all up we had freedom to put bases just about anywhere we liked. |
| 03:14.52 | fcrick | yeah now called + safe states = 284 votes |
| 03:14.57 | tmccrary | yeah but we were guests... not an occupying force |
| 03:15.03 | tmccrary | you have a little more leeway when you run things |
| 03:15.06 | Disconnect | and if you (not personally :) ..) want to play the 9/11 card, or the human rights card, we needed to be invading saudi arabia instead. |
| 03:15.34 | tmccrary | I totally agree, at some point that may be necessary. It's funny that iraq was one of the freest middle eastern countries under saddam |
| 03:15.41 | tmccrary | so long as you didn't mess with his gestapo |
| 03:15.45 | fcrick | so obama can loose Colorado, Florida, Nevada, Virginia, North Carolina, Indiana, Missouri, and Montana and still win |
| 03:16.06 | Disconnect | yah. and - seriously - he did less to his people with nerve gas than we did to our own with nukes.. |
| 03:16.13 | spikebike | heat my wife just had a much better punchline |
| 03:16.15 | Disconnect | he's not gonna lose va |
| 03:16.32 | fcrick | well, it doesn't matter now :) |
| 03:16.38 | duey | Disconnect, its pretty close |
| 03:16.51 | Disconnect | ok abc keeps screwing up their sound feeds. |
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| 03:16.59 | tmccrary | gee, I wonder who will win california... ;) |
| 03:17.07 | Damm | sigh |
| 03:17.10 | Damm | politics in android? |
| 03:17.19 | tmccrary | nah, its just for tonight |
| 03:17.24 | tmccrary | tomorrow none of this will matter |
| 03:17.38 | Disconnect | tmccrary: it'll matter a lot. but it won't be worth discussing :) |
| 03:17.52 | hackbod | i just care about whether i will still be married tomorrow :/ |
| 03:17.55 | fcrick | yeah in 45 mins news networks will call the election and its over |
| 03:17.59 | tmccrary | Meet the new boss, same as the old boss |
| 03:18.00 | Disconnect | Damm: like i told michaelnovakjr .. if you have an on-topic discussion, launch it before bitching :) |
| 03:18.16 | duey | cnn has already called it |
| 03:18.27 | duey | they are discussing what kind of president he willbe lol |
| 03:18.44 | Disconnect | tmccrary: i made that same comment while checking results over dinner. when did i get old and decide that one old rich guy was better than some other similar old rich guy..? |
| 03:18.54 | Disconnect | duey: obama? |
| 03:18.57 | duey | yeah |
| 03:19.25 | duey | i don't think obama is rich |
| 03:19.37 | duey | at least when compared to mccain.. |
| 03:19.46 | tmccrary | well, not filthy rich, but he and his wife aren't doing bad |
| 03:19.47 | d0nets | mccain doesnt know how many houses he has |
| 03:19.52 | d0nets | i know how many i have |
| 03:19.52 | tmccrary | mccain just lives off his wife's money |
| 03:19.53 | d0nets | 0 |
| 03:20.04 | tmccrary | *his wife's family fortune that is |
| 03:20.08 | Disconnect | lol |
| 03:20.09 | duey | tmccrary, yeah obv |
| 03:20.18 | duey | at least obama worked for it |
| 03:20.31 | tmccrary | yeah I wouldn't call being a senator "working for it" |
| 03:20.43 | tmccrary | especially since obama was a good half hour late for practically every hearing |
| 03:20.50 | duey | lol |
| 03:20.55 | duey | at least he turned up |
| 03:21.01 | tmccrary | yeah, better late than never |
| 03:21.04 | Disconnect | i hate to bring up charlie wilson again... :) |
| 03:21.10 | duey | who? |
| 03:21.17 | fcrick | well, obama sure managed to recruit an army to help him...someone even came by my house making sure I'd voted |
| 03:21.29 | Disconnect | duey: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Wilson_(Texas_politician)#Entry_into_politics |
| 03:21.42 | tmccrary | I think obama got lucky, Bush's policies screwed the republican side so bad |
| 03:21.47 | duey | fcrick, someone has an obama sign on my street...and i live in new zealand |
| 03:21.53 | fcrick | hahaha |
| 03:21.55 | tmccrary | and then this recession hit, basically sealing the deal |
| 03:21.55 | tmccrary | lol |
| 03:21.57 | Disconnect | ok cnn is like 45 mins behind |
| 03:22.11 | d0nets | i loved charley wilson's war |
| 03:22.14 | d0nets | excellent movie |
| 03:22.19 | d0nets | great representation of blowback |
| 03:22.26 | fcrick | yeah tom hanks makes a good movie |
| 03:22.29 | Disconnect | d0nets: the true story of charlie wilson (discovery iirc) is more accurate and just as good :) |
| 03:22.59 | d0nets | is it a show on discovery? |
| 03:23.00 | d0nets | can i dl it? |
| 03:23.08 | Disconnect | i think so and prolly. thats the title |
| 03:23.25 | fcrick | you can download discovery shows? |
| 03:23.30 | fcrick | or u mean torrents? |
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| 03:24.26 | Disconnect | Dialekt: before you complain, welcome to usa election discussion. if you have android stuff, ask it or say it before you complain about the conversation :) |
| 03:24.34 | Dialekt | . |
| 03:24.47 | Disconnect | :) |
| 03:25.09 | Dialekt | complains now just because you told him not to |
| 03:25.49 | Disconnect | heh |
| 03:26.01 | tmccrary | ah, they locked Obama's wikipedia article |
| 03:26.08 | tmccrary | I wanted to be the one to make the change |
| 03:26.19 | Disconnect | heh |
| 03:26.23 | Disconnect | so did everyone |
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| 03:27.53 | fcrick | they even locked the obama talk page |
| 03:29.14 | m2 | someone edited the article and replaced "member" by "nigger" |
| 03:29.26 | m2 | and a sysop noticed |
| 03:29.42 | trigatch4 | which is the reason mccain has so many votes |
| 03:29.50 | trigatch4 | all those... educated.. republicans |
| 03:29.56 | tmccrary | I wonder how often shenanigans like that are going to go on |
| 03:30.06 | tmccrary | with Obama in the white house |
| 03:30.12 | trigatch4 | forever |
| 03:30.19 | trigatch4 | just depends what social circles you run in |
| 03:30.23 | fcrick | tmccrary: all the time i look after a family member's page ppl are always doing random stuff |
| 03:30.30 | andyross | Probably a 10 year old punk. This kind of hugely popular subject is where Wikipedia does the worst. It's a reference for facts not in dispute. |
| 03:30.34 | tmccrary | I hope the secret service is stepping up |
| 03:30.42 | tmccrary | there are a lot crazy rednecks idiots out there |
| 03:30.50 | Disconnect | trigatch4: ..sigh. "(10:28pm) Guess what. I voted against obama, which everyone says makes me a racist. So i'll be a racist and give them something to bitch about" |
| 03:30.58 | fcrick | yeah i am i little worred about obama's safety |
| 03:31.12 | andyross | Shenanigans like, say, blowing up a building in OK City? :) Stuff just happens. Psychopaths are all around us. |
| 03:31.45 | fcrick | yeah lot of people out there that hate black people though... |
| 03:31.50 | Adamant | you guys are pretty much as bigoted as the people you claim to be decrying |
| 03:31.53 | Hiro2 | anybody here have tmobile G1? |
| 03:31.58 | fcrick | me |
| 03:31.58 | benley | plenty of people |
| 03:31.58 | Disconnect | nope |
| 03:32.10 | Hiro2 | fcrick: how long did the internet activation take? |
| 03:32.15 | Disconnect | Adamant: who's a 'you guys' and what do you base that off? |
| 03:32.16 | tmccrary | Adamant: what? |
| 03:32.21 | fcrick | 2-3 minutes? |
| 03:32.24 | fcrick | or less |
| 03:32.27 | andyross | Hiro2: almost instantaneous for me. |
| 03:32.38 | Hiro2 | mine is supposed to be activated today |
| 03:32.43 | spikebike | ya worked in about a minute. |
| 03:32.45 | Hiro2 | i still havent got it |
| 03:32.47 | tmccrary | I got to do my internet activation twice |
| 03:32.48 | Disconnect | had existing tmob account. otherwise it was just a minute or so |
| 03:32.51 | Dialekt | fcrick: how u liking it? |
| 03:33.03 | Disconnect | i've heard of stores not activating a data plan tho |
| 03:33.05 | fcrick | <- chatting on it right now |
| 03:33.16 | Hiro2 | i have the data plan |
| 03:33.19 | cbeust | I transferred from AT&T and they ported my number in a couple of hours, got 3G right away |
| 03:33.29 | Hiro2 | this sux |
| 03:33.52 | Disconnect | had to sait 2-3 weeks for 3g |
| 03:33.53 | Disconnect | wait |
| 03:33.58 | fcrick | i dunno its my first phone that even had a camera let alone a keyboard or internet |
| 03:34.05 | benley | had to wait 2-3 months for 3g :-P |
| 03:34.32 | Hiro2 | btw can i download any apps via computer then transfer over usb? |
| 03:34.37 | andyross | 3G was up in Portland on the 21st when my phone arrived, actually. I was pleased. |
| 03:34.57 | languish | Hiro2, there's an app in the market that lets you load other apps off the sd card |
| 03:35.00 | andyross | Still falls back to EDGE fairly commonly though. I'm in the suburbs. |
| 03:35.07 | languish | Hiro2, do it that way instead |
| 03:35.08 | Disconnect | no 3g at home, 3g at work |
| 03:35.11 | spikebike | edge on g1 IMO is pretty good |
| 03:35.19 | Hiro2 | languish: so usually it's installed onto the phone? |
| 03:35.26 | Disconnect | spikebike: its not bad. its not as bad as a lot of people claim. but its nothing on 3g :) |
| 03:35.29 | andyross | EDGE is ... OK. It's better than GPRS certainly. |
| 03:35.52 | Hiro2 | i brought my G1 to work today, every iphone owners hated it, haha |
| 03:35.59 | Hiro2 | saying how iphone is better |
| 03:36.37 | Disconnect | its got a lot, including stability and software maturity |
| 03:36.37 | romainguy_ | Hiro2: both are just a phone :) |
| 03:36.42 | andyross | iPhone *owners* are never going to like the G1. That's just not market Google can win. But to people still looking, I think it's a great phone. Better than Apple in some areas (the keyboard alone is a huge win for some uses), worse in others. |
| 03:36.48 | Disconnect | even compared release day to release day |
| 03:36.48 | kslater | there is a speed test app. you can always run that and see what sort of numbers you get with gprs / edge / 3g / wifi |
| 03:37.21 | Disconnect | dslreports.com/mtest iirc |
| 03:37.25 | d0nets | they should make one for aderall/meth/coke/ and crack |
| 03:37.30 | Disconnect | no need for gps-location-stealing app |
| 03:37.43 | kslater | hehe |
| 03:37.53 | languish | <Hiro2> languish: so usually it's installed onto the phone? |
| 03:38.03 | spikebike | hiro about 5-6 folks in my social group have iphones |
| 03:38.22 | languish | hiro, yes they install to the phone |
| 03:38.28 | orci | is there a facebook app? |
| 03:38.32 | d0nets | orci no |
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| 03:38.37 | kslater | was surprised how well moving maps worked in gprs land on a long drive today |
| 03:38.38 | sodenrox | have they unlocked the widgets yet? |
| 03:38.38 | spikebike | all seem to want the features of the g1 |
| 03:38.44 | sodenrox | thats all we are missing |
| 03:38.47 | d0nets | i read an article claiming there might not be a fb app? |
| 03:38.48 | sodenrox | right now |
| 03:38.54 | Disconnect | orci: yes for posting but no, facebook owners hate google a lot. google it for history, its pretty funny. |
| 03:39.23 | benley | can anybody actually figure out _why_ facebook seems to hate google? |
| 03:39.31 | andyross | They didn't offer to buy them? :) |
| 03:39.31 | hackbod | sodenrox, unfortunately don't expect home screen widgets any time soon; there are a lot of architectural issues to sort out for them. |
| 03:39.33 | languish | hiro, you can install an app from the market or off the web or from your pc via usb with adb, but now with that app in the market, it lets you install off the sd card too |
| 03:39.36 | kslater | oh that's pretty well undersood |
| 03:39.42 | kslater | understood |
| 03:39.48 | Dialekt | can anyone comment on the g1's messaging (specifically text messaging) |
| 03:39.49 | Dialekt | ? |
| 03:39.50 | fcrick | microsoft owns part of facebook? (doesn't it?) |
| 03:39.58 | benley | Dialekt: text messaging works fine |
| 03:40.00 | languish | Dialekt, comment in what way? |
| 03:40.05 | spikebike | I use the IM a ton, there's little reason to use SMS |
| 03:40.07 | Hiro2 | languish: thanks. So I guess I should just be patient and wait for my internet to work? |
| 03:40.13 | Disconnect | facebook vs google is well documented on hte web |
| 03:40.13 | Dialekt | oh i meant.. |
| 03:40.33 | languish | Hiro2, why doesn't your internet work? |
| 03:40.43 | spikebike | in fact my computer is sending me election updates every 5 minutes via IM |
| 03:40.54 | languish | spike you perv |
| 03:40.58 | Dialekt | can you sms multiple people? and what's the limit? and can you reply to all of them at the same time? i just found out that you can reply to all recipients at the same time on the iPhone.. i am now spoiled. |
| 03:41.01 | Hiro2 | languish: i dont know, tmobile told me it takes like 2-48 hours for it to work |
| 03:41.22 | spikebike | 400 per month for the default plan |
| 03:41.24 | Hiro2 | gmail works fine though |
| 03:41.26 | spikebike | never group replied |
| 03:41.26 | Hiro2 | so i dont get it |
| 03:41.30 | Disconnect | Hiro2: call 611, tell the robot 'g1' until you get to a smartphone support tech. they'll call you on a landline and then fix your internet. |
| 03:41.38 | spikebike | but I use a gmail -> sms gateway for most iphone users |
| 03:41.42 | spikebike | it charges them but not me |
| 03:41.47 | Hiro2 | I don't have a landline :( |
| 03:41.52 | languish | Hiro2, gmail ises a different service than the "3g internet" |
| 03:41.52 | Disconnect | the group will prolly be smartphone/blackberry rather than g1 specific but don't talk to generic support, they're dumb |
| 03:42.01 | Disconnect | no different # to call on? |
| 03:42.10 | Hiro2 | no.. |
| 03:42.17 | languish | Hiro2, just dial 611 on the phone, say "english" then say "g1" and wait for a rep |
| 03:42.19 | Hiro2 | I hate generic support! |
| 03:42.19 | Disconnect | they will end with "reboot the g1" (to force it to look for data service) and thats hard to do while tlaking on it |
| 03:42.32 | Hiro2 | lol seriously |
| 03:42.36 | languish | sorry "english, then g1 then "yes" |
| 03:42.37 | Hiro2 | ok, ill give them a call now |
| 03:42.44 | Disconnect | heh |
| 03:42.46 | languish | then wait ;) |
| 03:42.55 | spikebike | I really like that the G1 has IM running 24/7 |
| 03:43.00 | tmccrary | sometimes I can't believe how awesome I am |
| 03:43.03 | languish | Disconnect they can call you back |
| 03:43.04 | spikebike | so you are reachable over wifi or ceullar |
| 03:43.15 | languish | i had a rep call me back 3 times and even wscedule a call back 3 days later |
| 03:43.21 | mmattice | is UMA on the roadmap? |
| 03:43.28 | Disconnect | yah but its just easier to do it all at once |
| 03:43.33 | spikebike | some devels claim it can be done in software |
| 03:43.34 | languish | yeah agreed |
| 03:43.53 | spikebike | but with IM over cellular and wifi I don't care as much |
| 03:44.03 | spikebike | it would be nice |
| 03:44.21 | languish | I'm not sure if the chip in the g1 is one of the ones annouced as having a UMA capability too. originally it was said no |
| 03:44.26 | Disconnect | whitepages is an awesome (if privacy-invading) app |
| 03:44.50 | mmattice | I get -101dBm in my office, so being able to do UMA would be very nice |
| 03:44.52 | languish | does whitepages list cellular numbers too? |
| 03:45.16 | languish | (it shouldn't, but these days who knows) |
| 03:45.38 | Disconnect | languish: in my testing it doesn't. says 'cell caller' |
| 03:45.52 | languish | nod |
| 03:45.53 | Disconnect | ditto for my (unlisted) home #, just said "private residence" or some such |
| 03:46.28 | languish | yeah, i caught a whitepages service with my cell # on it, and ripped them a new one |
| 03:46.32 | fcrick | home numbers are so 20th century |
| 03:46.35 | languish | they lost $8k to me for it |
| 03:46.59 | languish | and any time I get a call from someone that got my # from their list, I get another $8k |
| 03:48.09 | fcrick | hmm they have some wrong number for me lol |
| 03:48.14 | languish | heh |
| 03:48.15 | fcrick | i wonder where they got that |
| 03:48.27 | languish | sure it's *you* and not someone with the same name? |
| 03:48.34 | fcrick | no one has my name |
| 03:48.43 | fcrick | last one who did died in '04 |
| 03:48.51 | languish | lol ok there chiganwutnagsupata imgsahaunagtyretsiops |
| 03:48.59 | fcrick | (and the address matches) |
| 03:49.03 | languish | nod |
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| 03:49.54 | Disconnect | 207/141 on abc |
| 03:50.39 | fcrick | ten more minutes.. |
| 03:50.42 | Disconnect | and the skins lost their last home game before the election (it was horrible :( ..) which means the incumbent will not win the popular vote. |
| 03:51.01 | spikebike | wow so many of the races are CLOSE |
| 03:51.26 | andyross | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.27 | fcrick | spikebike: obama can loose them all he's still our next president |
| 03:51.42 | ugarit | this is a cool app http://archanet.com/ |
| 03:52.10 | Disconnect | what a waste of $5 |
| 03:52.49 | spikebike | really? even with florida and ohio? |
| 03:53.08 | fcrick | ohio is over |
| 03:53.39 | spikebike | half reported and within a few percent? |
| 03:53.41 | Disconnect | what is the result? |
| 03:53.52 | fcrick | ohio has been called for obama by everyone, was called very early on |
| 03:54.04 | fcrick | basically obama wins unless that was a really bad call |
| 03:54.11 | andyross | Ohio's been called by all the major networks. It's not just how many precincts are in, it's which ones and how well the existing results match the exit polls. |
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| 03:55.15 | andyross | Example: VA was skewing hard to McCain after it closed, but because the early precincts were the rural ones in the west. Once the DC area started coming in, it evened up. |
| 03:55.51 | cworth | boggles at "SD card is busy. To access your music, [turn off USB storage]". |
| 03:55.52 | fcrick | it would be tough for mccain to win even with ohio though |
| 03:56.55 | fcrick | with ohio he'd still have to win every other contested state without exception |
| 03:57.02 | fcrick | then he would slip by |
| 03:58.25 | fcrick | yeah and Fox News just called Virginia |
| 03:58.29 | fcrick | (for obama) |
| 03:58.55 | Disconnect | yah but its fox :) |
| 03:59.12 | kslater | as in Fox would call it early for Obama? |
| 03:59.19 | fcrick | they just did |
| 03:59.26 | Disconnect | as in fox is untrustworthy |
| 03:59.29 | fcrick | yeah didn't make sense to me either hehe |
| 03:59.45 | kslater | no, my point is that if you say Fox is right leaning, then they'd wait to assign those votes to Obama |
| 03:59.52 | andyross | Fox just likes to call early. Realistically it's still too close, but probably leaning Obama. |
| 03:59.55 | fcrick | yeah they are about to call the election |
| 04:00.00 | fcrick | in like 10 seconds |
| 04:00.01 | kslater | or maybe you're just saying they're all over the place |
| 04:00.08 | Disconnect | points at andyross; yes, that thing :) |
| 04:00.15 | kslater | Fox calls states early? |
| 04:00.23 | kslater | compared to which of the other networks? |
| 04:00.25 | fcrick | everyone just called Obama winner |
| 04:00.38 | Hiro2 | got off the call, says he will disconnect me? to have me reconnected and to have my cell restarted |
| 04:00.47 | Hiro2 | and wait an hour more before they could actually start working technically |
| 04:00.53 | andyross | Fox has been calling everything first tonight. They actually had to walk back their first Ohio call for 17 minutes and re-call it. Ditto for one of the senate races. |
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| 04:01.14 | fcrick | yeah cnn.com just called obama too |
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| 04:01.26 | benley | why did all the networks just call it within 10 seconds of each other? |
| 04:01.29 | kslater | that's a switch from the past then |
| 04:01.34 | fcrick | cause west coast polls closed |
| 04:01.37 | Disconnect | cnn just called for obama |
| 04:01.49 | fcrick | it was clear obama would win at about 6:20pm PST |
| 04:02.01 | fcrick | as soon as they called Ohio it was over |
| 04:02.07 | Hiro2 | so obama won? end of story? |
| 04:02.14 | fcrick | they just waited until polls closed |
| 04:02.16 | andyross | Pretty much. |
| 04:02.16 | fcrick | yup |
| 04:02.17 | Hiro2 | I'm on cnn |
| 04:02.31 | Hiro2 | says obama is 297, and 270 to win |
| 04:02.56 | ahaberlacho | Daily Show just called it |
| 04:03.14 | cbeust | so did Fox news |
| 04:03.22 | Disconnect | cnn and cbs also |
| 04:03.41 | Disconnect | abc |
| 04:03.42 | fcrick | awe the daily show was on? |
| 04:03.49 | fcrick | damn i should have watched that |
| 04:03.52 | Disconnect | abc is projecting cali (55 votes) and washington (11) |
| 04:03.54 | cbeust | All day pretty much :) |
| 04:03.58 | tmccrary | damn, white boy got his ass stomped |
| 04:04.04 | andyross | What happens is that polls closed in a bunch of states at the top of the hour, and enough of them were wide enough victories (CA and WA, certainly) to call on the basis of the exit polls alone. |
| 04:04.43 | fcrick | well, also, networks don't like calling the election before the polls close |
| 04:04.53 | fcrick | they snub alaska, though hehe |
| 04:05.29 | andyross | They never call a state before the polls close. But they don't wait for Alaska or Hawaii when the states they've called are already over 270 |
| 04:05.39 | Disconnect | they called hi |
| 04:05.43 | Disconnect | abc did |
| 04:05.52 | fcrick | right, but my point is they could have called the whole election earlier |
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| 04:06.21 | andyross | Well, yeah. But people doing analysis have essentially been calling the election for Obama for three weeks. Why bother even waiting for the election :) |
| 04:06.40 | Disconnect | someone called it quite a while ago: http://tinyurl.com/2ft75d |
| 04:06.41 | fcrick | well, because of the Ohio polls |
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| 04:07.44 | Hiro2 | great, i dont think tmobile did anything.... gotta wait 1 more hour i guess |
| 04:07.45 | fcrick | it wasn't clear obama would win Ohio and PA...once it was the election ended |
| 04:08.20 | andyross | Yes, it kinda *was* clear. PA had tightened significantly in the last week and a half, but both states were 7+ Obama favorites. |
| 04:08.47 | andyross | Ohio and Pennsylvania were never serious candidates for McCain tonight, absent huge error in polling. |
| 04:08.52 | fcrick | well, it was certainly very probable |
| 04:09.16 | fcrick | but huge errors in polling aren't unheard of... |
| 04:09.44 | fcrick | fivethirtyeight.com still gave McCain a %1.1 chance of winning hehe |
| 04:10.10 | andyross | Yeah, but not that huge. fivethirtyeight.com had a really good model running, with lots of explanation (no source code, though, heh) that took stuff like poll skew into account. He had McCain at 1.1% win likelihood as of yesterday |
| 04:10.33 | spikebike | 19:58:48 Obama=(36314030, 220) Mccain=(34202155, 135) |
| 04:10.33 | spikebike | Obama won! |
| 04:10.39 | fcrick | i don't think we really disagree here hehe |
| 04:10.49 | spikebike | so sayns my cnn script anywyas |
| 04:11.04 | fcrick | spikebike: yeah everyone has called the election for obama |
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| 04:11.36 | fcrick | i'm certain it was mickey mouse and the dallas cowboys voting 100 times in Ohio though |
| 04:14.11 | andyross | It's a borderline landslide. No state will end up being decisive, so the ACORN "zomg fra0d!" conspiracy theories will die down, happily. |
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| 04:15.02 | Disconnect | andyross: see my earlier statements about that.. it'll be next time before that happens (or later) because people got way too interested in it after the last two. gotta let them wander off and get bored. |
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| 04:16.34 | Disconnect | (i think its significant that the only recent -corrected- fraud or error or what have you was in the NY primaries, where obvious tampering was able to be fixed solely due to the old mechanical voting machines. and they are under amazing pressure to move to "modern" computerized voting..) |
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| 04:19.17 | Disconnect | ...wow. http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/8/78739.html |
| 04:19.42 | Disconnect | (first segment) |
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| 04:20.54 | Disconnect | and http://www.bbvforums.org/cgi-bin/forums/board-auth.cgi?file=/8/78785.html (touchscreens locked down for investigation - requested by republicans - for problems with the 'straight-party' shortcut voting button) |
| 04:22.26 | gambler | I hope Obama's Inaugeration has some style. Im thinking something like the funeral scene from Zoolander. |
| 04:22.36 | gambler | when Hansel enters |
| 04:22.39 | BHSPitMonkey | andyross, it's a distributive conspiracy in EVERY state! |
| 04:22.52 | BHSPitMonkey | andyross, that's what makes it so hard to detect! It's brilliant!@ |
| 04:22.58 | fcrick | mccain is conceding on cnn btw... |
| 04:23.11 | trigatch4 | and msnbc |
| 04:23.12 | trigatch4 | and fox |
| 04:23.16 | trigatch4 | and every station on the planet |
| 04:23.17 | Disconnect | BHSPitMonkey: the problem is, it doesn't have to be. iirc its something like 45 people who own or control all 5 major evoting companies. |
| 04:23.18 | trigatch4 | ;) |
| 04:23.28 | kslater | not every station |
| 04:23.36 | fcrick | i guess its time to stop the politics in here for me nite guys |
| 04:23.45 | Disconnect | trigatch4: yah i'm hoping he pulls some class out and stops rubbing the race card all over his junk. |
| 04:24.26 | Disconnect | "we're so proud that even though he's not as good as the rest of us, he managed to win".. |
| 04:24.38 | trigatch4 | eh |
| 04:24.44 | trigatch4 | i think its been a pretty good speech |
| 04:25.23 | gambler | i hope im that lucid when im that age |
| 04:25.37 | gambler | i expect most 73 year olds to be worrying about not driving their cars into a crowd of people |
| 04:25.44 | Disconnect | lol |
| 04:25.47 | andyross | He's not *that* old. If you can't give a speech when you're 72, something's wrong. |
| 04:25.51 | BHSPitMonkey | "...grateful to Sarah Palin, one of the best things to happen to Saturday Night Live..." |
| 04:26.17 | andyross | The irony is that was hands down the *best* speech he's given through the whole campaign. If this guy was giving that green screen disaster, it might have been a lot closer. |
| 04:26.20 | languish | I wouldn't want mccains supporters |
| 04:27.38 | BHSPitMonkey | andyross, they've probably been working on this speech for months ;) |
| 04:28.01 | Disconnect | yah generally its a much harder speech to write because you just might try again next time around |
| 04:28.19 | gambler | McCain is v funny... http://pokercrack.com/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=32103 |
| 04:30.12 | Disconnect | languish: just cuz they were yelling "kill obama" in the middle of the speech... |
| 04:30.19 | Disconnect | had to run it back and double-check |
| 04:30.52 | trigatch4 | even Keith Olberman said it was a gracious speech |
| 04:31.32 | poetic_folly|G5 | anyone know where Android stores the graphics files? |
| 04:31.37 | poetic_folly|G5 | like system graphics? |
| 04:32.20 | spikebike | I know where the boot logo is ;-) |
| 04:32.59 | benley | I couldn't figure out how to encode an alternate boot logo using any existing tools |
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| 04:35.16 | poetic_folly|G5 | http://modmygphone.com/wiki/index.php/Android_File_List got that together |
| 04:36.01 | docpaul | I have android running on my openmoko... nice validation of the long term potential of the platform |
| 04:36.04 | docpaul | kudos to you all |
| 04:37.44 | spikebike | docpaul how does it work? |
| 04:37.49 | kslater | whoa |
| 04:37.52 | kslater | nice work |
| 04:38.01 | spikebike | got an onscreen keyboard working? |
| 04:38.08 | romainguy_ | yeah we received a bunch of patches from the FreeRunner port people |
| 04:38.12 | docpaul | it's actually pretty decent |
| 04:38.18 | romainguy_ | they're being reviewed |
| 04:38.25 | docpaul | no wifi, gps, or keyboard |
| 04:38.29 | ugarit | here's music player that claims to play .pls files (shoutcast) |
| 04:38.32 | ugarit | http://ambientmp.sourceforge.net/formats.html |
| 04:38.44 | docpaul | but it's pretty speedy, page transitions are choppy at this point, but that's more implementation than anything |
| 04:39.06 | swetland | doc: don't think double-buffering is wired up yet on the freerunner port |
| 04:39.22 | docpaul | for those of you over at goog: http://tinyurl.com/paulhasandroid |
| 04:39.25 | swetland | and there was mention of some hw accel features for graphics that might be available |
| 04:39.50 | docpaul | i took a couple of pictures |
| 04:39.52 | swetland | it's great seeing the platform being ported to various things |
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| 04:40.14 | DarkriftX | benley, i know mspaint used to edit rle files |
| 04:40.35 | benley | DarkriftX: heh. I couldn't even open the existing one with gimp or xv or netpbm or ... etc |
| 04:40.47 | romainguy_ | docpaul: the resolution is WVGA? |
| 04:40.49 | benley | DarkriftX: I could just write something to convert it though |
| 04:40.52 | DarkriftX | yeah, keep in mind it was almost a microsoft only format back then |
| 04:40.53 | swetland | they're rgb16 rle |
| 04:40.58 | benley | swetland: have you seen it on an eeeeeeeeeeeeee yet? |
| 04:41.02 | swetland | I don't know if *anyone* uses that |
| 04:41.05 | DarkriftX | i had never seen it on anything except ms products before |
| 04:41.09 | docpaul | yes |
| 04:41.19 | swetland | benley: yeah. we have a guy inhouse who has been running it on eee pc for a while |
| 04:41.23 | docpaul | the screen is actually larger resolution than the background |
| 04:41.26 | benley | swetland: heh, nice |
| 04:41.28 | swetland | he's working on getting his patches cleaned up and int the mainline |
| 04:41.30 | docpaul | i think it's 640x480 |
| 04:41.43 | DarkriftX | swetland, id hope with less lockdown then g1 has |
| 04:41.46 | romainguy_ | 480x640 you mean? |
| 04:41.47 | romainguy_ | ok |
| 04:41.50 | benley | swetland: there's still only exactly 1 device that's checked in as eee_701 |
| 04:42.04 | romainguy_ | what's the dpi resolution on the FreeRunner docpaul? |
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| 04:42.35 | unix_infidel | swetland: nice, touch screen mod? |
| 04:42.52 | swetland | unix: not sure. he originally just had keyboard nav. |
| 04:43.15 | unix_infidel | iirc, eee 900 and 1000H series have multitouch synaptics. |
| 04:43.35 | unix_infidel | for which there are drivers on the repo. |
| 04:44.56 | swetland | darkriftx: that depends entirely on oem/carrier/etc -- on a platform you can already load whatever you want on, any lockdown would be your choice not ours ^^ |
| 04:45.12 | docpaul | well, the screen is 2.84" diagonal |
| 04:45.19 | docpaul | and the resolution is 640x480 |
| 04:45.32 | romainguy_ | ok |
| 04:45.45 | docpaul | pretty damn high dpi |
| 04:45.52 | romainguy_ | not really :) |
| 04:46.28 | muthu | shit, repo sync fails |
| 04:46.34 | muthu | fatal: Unable to look up android.git.kernel.org (port 9418) (Name or service not known) |
| 04:46.34 | muthu | error: Cannot fetch platform/external/wpa_supplicant |
| 04:46.37 | docpaul | seems like it from this side at least... i can't read the linux boot sequence font unless I use a magnifier |
| 04:46.45 | romainguy_ | oh wait |
| 04:46.46 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 04:46.49 | romainguy_ | I just did the maths |
| 04:46.55 | romainguy_ | 285dpi |
| 04:47.40 | andyross | A healthy young adult whose eyes focus well in the near field (i.e. not farsighted) can see detail at about 600dpi. Useful bit of trivia. :) |
| 04:48.39 | romainguy_ | doesn't mean you can read 8px font sizes at 600dpi :p |
| 04:48.54 | andyross | Well, no. :) But it does explain why printers stopped right around there. |
| 04:49.29 | docpaul | i have pretty excellent vision |
| 04:49.52 | spikebike | the n770/n800/n810 have 800x480 on a similar size screen |
| 04:49.52 | benley | andyross: did they? |
| 04:49.55 | spikebike | it's BEAUTIFUL |
| 04:50.03 | andyross | But do you focus well? Two different things. You need good acuity (e.g. cell density in your fovea) *and* the ability to see stuff 5-6cm from your eyes. |
| 04:50.12 | spikebike | makes for a great ebook reader among other things |
| 04:52.13 | poetic_folly|G5 | found the system graphics. :D |
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| 04:52.37 | sodenrox | what are you guys trying to install |
| 04:53.24 | cmonex | spikebike: i agree beautiful :) |
| 04:53.28 | cmonex | good ebook & browsing. |
| 04:54.38 | cmonex | btw similar size, umm, if 4.13" is similar size. |
| 05:03.46 | DarkriftX | so nothing interesting done with root today? |
| 05:03.54 | DarkriftX | anything good compiled and run on it? |
| 05:04.45 | muthu | President Obama. |
| 05:05.11 | muthu | nice |
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| 05:07.35 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, you around? |
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| 05:09.34 | BHSPitMonkey | lol, I thought he just said "blog by blog" |
| 05:11.13 | muthu | is there a 'repo stash' command? |
| 05:14.03 | DarkriftX | wow, died in here |
| 05:15.30 | poetic_folly|G5 | what does surfaceflinger do? |
| 05:16.07 | andyross | It's a window server. Manages bitmaps for display. I don't know what they were smoking either. |
| 05:16.22 | ahaberlacho | flings surfaces. |
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| 05:17.18 | d0nets | shiese i really need a guitar tuner |
| 05:18.30 | spikebike | dark nothing I know of |
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| 05:18.40 | spikebike | I kinda expected more noise about it |
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| 05:19.37 | romainguy_ | andyross: what's wrong with surface flinger? |
| 05:21.38 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - what's up? |
| 05:21.43 | DarkriftX | hows it going :) |
| 05:21.55 | DarkriftX | wondering how your day of compiling/tweaking etc went |
| 05:22.18 | RyeBrye | I didn't do a ton today, I had to get real work done |
| 05:23.45 | RyeBrye | I think things about the whole root thing will die down... The world didn't end and maybe it will be left at that |
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| 05:24.46 | holymoo | oh look |
| 05:24.48 | holymoo | neato |
| 05:24.49 | holymoo | hey |
| 05:25.00 | holymoo | can android run on arbitrary linux environments? |
| 05:25.13 | BHSPitMonkey | more or less |
| 05:25.37 | holymoo | huh |
| 05:25.39 | holymoo | neato |
| 05:25.45 | DarkriftX | i know RyeBrye, but i was hoping more would be in the works with it |
| 05:25.59 | holymoo | then theoretically i can run debian on the g1 and run android on top of that if i wanted to |
| 05:26.02 | DarkriftX | forums are dead, not much talk about it other then "how do i do it" |
| 05:26.11 | holymoo | and then move android out of the way for normal linuxy stuff if needed |
| 05:26.28 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, are you able to get a root shell on the device itself now? |
| 05:26.37 | RyeBrye | holymoo - no, you can't unless you hack your G1 |
| 05:26.46 | RyeBrye | holymoo - the G1 by default is locked down |
| 05:27.00 | RyeBrye | holymoo - android is open (by design) the G1 is not |
| 05:27.04 | holymoo | yeah, thats pretty much what id expect to haveto do |
| 05:27.15 | RyeBrye | well, yeah, then in that case the G1 is just like any other phone |
| 05:27.21 | RyeBrye | you can hack it and do your dirty deeds to it |
| 05:27.21 | holymoo | k. |
| 05:27.23 | BHSPitMonkey | want a more hackable phone, get an iPhone :) |
| 05:27.33 | DarkriftX | lol BHSPitMonkey |
| 05:27.35 | RyeBrye | well... I wouldn't go that far :) |
| 05:27.36 | DarkriftX | i disagree |
| 05:27.38 | jasta | erm, linux on the iphone sucks |
| 05:27.39 | holymoo | iphone case sucks |
| 05:27.41 | holymoo | its horrible |
| 05:27.53 | holymoo | the g1 has the best format of any phone for my requirements |
| 05:28.06 | holymoo | the flipside keyboard is exactly what i need |
| 05:28.10 | d0nets | i need an exacto knife so i can get my to quit squeeking |
| 05:28.17 | BHSPitMonkey | yeah, have fun trying to pinch a google map to zoom out, chump |
| 05:29.10 | jasta | BHSPitMonkey: i didnt really like multitouch actually. it was awkward i felt |
| 05:29.16 | jasta | and i think a lot of people actually agree |
| 05:29.47 | BHSPitMonkey | I don't have an iPhone, but I do own an iPod Touch and wuv it |
| 05:29.52 | vol | 2 |
| 05:29.55 | jasta | good for you |
| 05:29.55 | d0nets | jasta i think its faster than the zoom feature in the android browser |
| 05:29.56 | holymoo | i despise anything apple |
| 05:29.58 | RyeBrye | yaffs2 doesn't support partition resizing, right? |
| 05:29.59 | vol | er, fuck. |
| 05:30.02 | holymoo | just on a personal level |
| 05:30.05 | holymoo | its great for normal folks |
| 05:30.10 | d0nets | i hate apple too |
| 05:30.15 | holymoo | i don't like gear that is that purpose driven |
| 05:30.21 | d0nets | i only bought an iphone to use the name |
| 05:30.27 | d0nets | to make 125 to put down on my g1 |
| 05:30.40 | holymoo | i'm going to haveto get one so i learn how to manage it, i'm going to have clients that use it |
| 05:30.45 | d0nets | i bought for 199, cancleed for 175, sold for 499 |
| 05:30.49 | holymoo | but i can't imagine wasting too much time with it |
| 05:30.57 | vol | ok, how do i emulate ctrl in connectbot |
| 05:30.58 | holymoo | d0nets: lol |
| 05:31.00 | holymoo | wow niiiiice |
| 05:31.20 | d0nets | yea my htc wizard didnt make it until g1 launch |
| 05:31.27 | RyeBrye | I should put tar on so I can make archives and keep permissions and stuff intact |
| 05:31.30 | d0nets | so i was forced into it |
| 05:31.38 | d0nets | for a month or 2 |
| 05:31.59 | RyeBrye | I wonder if I backup my /data and then delete my /data and my /cache and recreate them so /cache is only 10 Mb or so if the world would end or not |
| 05:32.02 | holymoo | okay there is a project with a chan here that hacks htc devices |
| 05:32.20 | holymoo | i'll look and see if anyone is hacking away on the g1 |
| 05:32.27 | holymoo | thanks for the info guys |
| 05:32.30 | RyeBrye | no problem |
| 05:32.42 | DarkriftX | holymoo, most of them are in here |
| 05:32.49 | holymoo | oh really? |
| 05:32.51 | holymoo | haha! |
| 05:32.55 | DarkriftX | and in #xda-devs |
| 05:33.05 | holymoo | thats it! :) lol forgot the name! |
| 05:33.25 | BHSPitMonkey | and #htc-linux |
| 05:34.05 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, have you edited init.rc to auto start telnetd yet? |
| 05:34.18 | DarkriftX | also, we need to find out what is killing it |
| 05:34.57 | DarkriftX | damn i wish i could afford one right now, i hate watching and not doing |
| 05:35.06 | DarkriftX | puts the wife on a budget |
| 05:35.20 | DarkriftX | the kids can eat twice a day only now! |
| 05:35.24 | d0nets | hrmm darkriftx |
| 05:35.30 | d0nets | walk me through that |
| 05:35.37 | d0nets | how do you edit the files |
| 05:35.42 | d0nets | i tried nano earlier, but im newb with telnet |
| 05:35.54 | DarkriftX | d0nets, prob have to copy it to sd, edit on computer and copy back |
| 05:35.58 | DarkriftX | you on linux or win? |
| 05:36.04 | d0nets | nix |
| 05:36.06 | DarkriftX | good |
| 05:36.11 | DarkriftX | do you have nano on the g1? |
| 05:36.19 | d0nets | no |
| 05:36.22 | DarkriftX | ok |
| 05:36.23 | d0nets | i dont think |
| 05:36.29 | d0nets | thats what i tried |
| 05:36.35 | DarkriftX | copy init.rc to sd, edit on computer then copy back |
| 05:36.40 | DarkriftX | that script is ran during boto |
| 05:36.41 | d0nets | i tried telneting in via terminal from desktop |
| 05:36.41 | DarkriftX | boot* |
| 05:36.44 | d0nets | and nano'n |
| 05:36.45 | RyeBrye | anyone know what is in /dev/mtdblock2? |
| 05:36.54 | vol | bleh |
| 05:36.58 | RyeBrye | it's not mounted by default - is that the recovery partition? |
| 05:36.59 | DarkriftX | oooh, RyeBrye we need grep! |
| 05:37.07 | RyeBrye | isn't grep in busybox? |
| 05:37.07 | DarkriftX | put that on the list lol |
| 05:37.13 | d0nets | ok so i can add things like instant messenger? |
| 05:37.14 | DarkriftX | it didnt work when i tried in emu |
| 05:37.14 | vol | anyone else using connectbot? |
| 05:37.21 | DarkriftX | and you got busybox on the g1? |
| 05:37.23 | d0nets | i use it, but only on efnet atm |
| 05:37.29 | d0nets | this chan is too busy |
| 05:37.29 | RyeBrye | this guy did |
| 05:37.31 | RyeBrye | http://www.billrocks.org/android_libs/ |
| 05:37.56 | RyeBrye | I think bash is a bit heavy for a phone, but he has bash too |
| 05:38.19 | DarkriftX | oooh, ssdh |
| 05:38.24 | DarkriftX | have you tried any of those? |
| 05:38.29 | DarkriftX | sshd* |
| 05:38.32 | d0nets | wtf |
| 05:38.41 | d0nets | ssh server ? |
| 05:38.44 | DarkriftX | yeah |
| 05:38.49 | DarkriftX | http://www.billrocks.org/android_libs/bin/ |
| 05:39.15 | d0nets | so how do you instal these |
| 05:39.16 | RyeBrye | I haven't tried those yet |
| 05:39.23 | RyeBrye | copy them over to a bin directory and run them? |
| 05:39.55 | DarkriftX | we need wget too lol |
| 05:39.57 | DarkriftX | but htats in busybox |
| 05:41.09 | ionstorm | are those statically built binaries? |
| 05:41.11 | RyeBrye | I think so |
| 05:41.26 | RyeBrye | I don't use telnetd anymore on mine... or the pterminal... I just put su on mine and I use the adb shell now |
| 05:41.29 | RyeBrye | it's a lot easier |
| 05:42.04 | ionstorm | adb shell? |
| 05:42.24 | d0nets | yea, adb shell? |
| 05:42.26 | ionstorm | debug bridge |
| 05:42.36 | ionstorm | adb=android device bridge |
| 05:42.52 | d0nets | oh i know that |
| 05:42.56 | d0nets | so just telnet? |
| 05:43.04 | d0nets | oh wait |
| 05:43.14 | d0nets | nope, still confused |
| 05:43.15 | d0nets | haha |
| 05:46.46 | DarkriftX | how the hell do you symlink on this thing/ |
| 05:47.06 | ionstorm | dont u need the sdk installed to use adb |
| 05:47.38 | ionstorm | ah its in the sdk in tools/ |
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| 05:48.02 | d0nets | im just gonna install sshd and add it to connectbot lol |
| 05:48.04 | RyeBrye | you have to enable the debugging stuff on the device |
| 05:48.42 | RyeBrye | dropbear is a lot better fit for an embedded device than openssh |
| 05:48.57 | ionstorm | kyle@ion:~/android-sdk-linux_x86-1.0_r1/tools$ sudo ./adb shell |
| 05:48.57 | ionstorm | error: device not found |
| 05:49.06 | ionstorm | lol guess i gotta specify a device |
| 05:49.18 | RyeBrye | no, you don't need to |
| 05:49.20 | RyeBrye | if you only have one |
| 05:49.26 | RyeBrye | you DO have to have the debugging turned on in the device |
| 05:49.26 | ionstorm | hmm wtf |
| 05:49.33 | ionstorm | its on |
| 05:49.39 | ionstorm | usb debug right? |
| 05:49.54 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 05:49.54 | RyeBrye | ./adb devices |
| 05:49.57 | RyeBrye | what does that return? |
| 05:50.04 | RyeBrye | you should see your phone |
| 05:50.08 | DarkriftX | nice, busybox has awk and grep |
| 05:50.13 | RyeBrye | but if you have more than one, I guess you have to specify a device |
| 05:50.14 | DarkriftX | will be useful to rewrite stuff |
| 05:50.25 | ionstorm | it doesnt list my device |
| 05:50.36 | RyeBrye | try unplugging it and plugging it back in |
| 05:50.41 | ionstorm | k |
| 05:50.49 | RyeBrye | it shouldn't matter if the SD card is mounted or not |
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| 05:51.19 | ionstorm | wtf im running ubuntu intrepid |
| 05:51.26 | d0nets | darkrifx have you installed the sshd? |
| 05:51.38 | d0nets | that could be why |
| 05:52.32 | DarkriftX | not yet |
| 05:54.02 | d0nets | so do i put them anywhere on my sd card? |
| 05:54.22 | RyeBrye | you can symlink to busybox instead of the toolbox that google installs by default for things like ls and the like, right? |
| 05:54.56 | DarkriftX | d0nets, download them (if they get saved as .asc files rename them to have no extension) and then copy them to /system/bin |
| 05:55.06 | DarkriftX | after that, chmod 4755 busybox |
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| 05:55.20 | DarkriftX | then do busybox cp -s busybox cp |
| 05:55.30 | DarkriftX | that will give you the cp command which makes life easier |
| 05:55.49 | d0nets | how do i copy busybox to system/bin |
| 05:56.00 | DarkriftX | mv busybox /system/bin/busybox |
| 05:56.07 | d0nets | k |
| 05:56.17 | DarkriftX | make sure you remounted your system first |
| 05:56.19 | d0nets | does * work |
| 05:56.32 | DarkriftX | erm, yeah |
| 05:56.34 | DarkriftX | but be careful |
| 05:56.47 | DarkriftX | check ls first lol |
| 05:56.56 | DarkriftX | did you remount already? |
| 05:56.59 | d0nets | do i do that in pterminal |
| 05:57.03 | d0nets | or on my pc |
| 05:57.11 | d0nets | via telnet |
| 05:57.11 | DarkriftX | you do that in the telnet session |
| 05:57.16 | d0nets | ok |
| 05:57.22 | DarkriftX | mount -o remount,rw -t yaffs2 /dev/block/mtdblock3 /system |
| 05:57.32 | DarkriftX | that remounts your /ssystem folder with write permissions |
| 05:57.49 | d0nets | thats intense |
| 05:57.50 | d0nets | one sec |
| 05:58.04 | DarkriftX | ooooh |
| 05:58.13 | DarkriftX | we need mc on this thing |
| 05:58.19 | DarkriftX | screw gui file managers! |
| 05:58.51 | DarkriftX | someone who has some time, compile midnight commander for g1!! |
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| 05:59.16 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, for commands that are not used by system, im sure you can, but other stuff id leave |
| 05:59.39 | DarkriftX | for example i wouldnt change chmod to busybox, they might have different options and init.rc could fail because of it |
| 06:00.01 | RyeBrye | good point |
| 06:00.19 | DarkriftX | so i wouldnt change any synmlinks except for simple stuff (ls maybe) |
| 06:00.43 | ionstorm | ah adb works now |
| 06:01.03 | DarkriftX | has anyone tried connectbot on localhost? |
| 06:01.10 | DarkriftX | after rooting? |
| 06:01.19 | ionstorm | adb/su rocks |
| 06:01.28 | ionstorm | im about to compile aircrackng |
| 06:01.37 | DarkriftX | when your done, do mc for us :) |
| 06:01.48 | DarkriftX | its a great filemanager |
| 06:02.40 | DarkriftX | i wish the damned adb supported up/down for prev command :@ |
| 06:03.37 | ionstorm | just copy sh to su and su |
| 06:03.40 | ionstorm | sh has up/down |
| 06:03.59 | DarkriftX | # ^[[A^[[B |
| 06:04.03 | DarkriftX | thats what i get with up/down |
| 06:04.11 | *** part/#android romainguy_ (n=gfx@adsl-75-55-215-117.dsl.pltn13.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:04.28 | DarkriftX | oooh, busybox sh worked |
| 06:04.56 | ionstorm | whats the point of busybox really |
| 06:05.11 | DarkriftX | gives you tons more commands |
| 06:05.15 | DarkriftX | hundreds |
| 06:05.17 | RyeBrye | like... cp |
| 06:05.21 | spikebike | yeah |
| 06:05.29 | spikebike | extremely efficienct on storage |
| 06:05.30 | DarkriftX | tar, cp, wget, su |
| 06:05.36 | RyeBrye | oh, it has tar? cool |
| 06:05.38 | ionstorm | why not just compile those for arm |
| 06:05.39 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 06:05.41 | DarkriftX | its a shitty tar |
| 06:05.46 | RyeBrye | ionstorm - it is compiled for arm |
| 06:05.51 | DarkriftX | ionstorm, this is ONE binary that does all of them |
| 06:05.55 | ionstorm | oh |
| 06:05.59 | ionstorm | lol |
| 06:05.59 | DarkriftX | and its 1.5mb (not bad for prob 300 commands) |
| 06:06.10 | DarkriftX | for example, busybox cp = cp |
| 06:06.16 | ionstorm | wrd |
| 06:06.20 | DarkriftX | so symlink cp to busybox and your set |
| 06:06.28 | DarkriftX | im mass linking files now |
| 06:06.34 | DarkriftX | we need a script for that lol |
| 06:07.27 | RyeBrye | init.rc? |
| 06:07.27 | RyeBrye | oh wit |
| 06:07.27 | *** join/#android dglazkov (n=dglazkov@c-24-130-144-56.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:07.27 | RyeBrye | that would be dumb :) |
| 06:07.27 | DarkriftX | i could write one that uses grep to read "busybox" output and symlink all ones not found to busybox |
| 06:07.27 | RyeBrye | I was thinking te update script |
| 06:07.27 | DarkriftX | would take forever lol |
| 06:07.27 | DarkriftX | touch :) |
| 06:07.27 | ionstorm | so all u gotta do is cp busybox to /system/bin eh? |
| 06:07.27 | ionstorm | no depends needed? |
| 06:07.27 | DarkriftX | nope |
| 06:07.28 | DarkriftX | and its mv |
| 06:07.29 | ionstorm | wrd |
| 06:07.34 | RyeBrye | no... you need to dd if=/sdcard/busybox /system/bin/busybox |
| 06:07.36 | DarkriftX | mv busybox /system/bin/busybox |
| 06:07.45 | RyeBrye | err of=/system/bin/busybox |
| 06:07.47 | RyeBrye | or mv works too |
| 06:07.52 | ionstorm | k |
| 06:08.07 | DarkriftX | once its there, chmod 4755 busybox |
| 06:08.21 | DarkriftX | then: busybox cp -s busybox cp |
| 06:08.25 | DarkriftX | that will give you cp command :) |
| 06:08.40 | ionstorm | dope |
| 06:08.48 | ionstorm | thnx |
| 06:09.16 | d0nets | ok fuck |
| 06:09.17 | d0nets | start over |
| 06:09.21 | d0nets | my xserver crashed |
| 06:09.30 | DarkriftX | :S |
| 06:09.35 | d0nets | jk |
| 06:09.38 | d0nets | un momento |
| 06:09.43 | DarkriftX | imma make a post about it on my site, gimme 5 mins |
| 06:09.46 | d0nets | i have it on the card lemme start telnetd |
| 06:11.55 | d0nets | hrmm |
| 06:11.58 | ionstorm | cat busybox >/system/bin/busybox works, mv doesnt |
| 06:12.09 | d0nets | it seams like i can only run it once |
| 06:12.11 | d0nets | then ihave to restart |
| 06:12.19 | d0nets | when i ps, it doesnt show up other than the first time |
| 06:14.37 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - you could probably just have it iterate over everything busybox does and do an 'ln -s busybox {}' and have it just not force the ones that it doesn't rpovide |
| 06:14.46 | RyeBrye | ... although I just realized that xargs probably isn't there |
| 06:14.54 | RyeBrye | dur |
| 06:15.16 | d0nets | what was the mound command again |
| 06:15.24 | d0nets | to type first in telnet |
| 06:15.30 | d0nets | mount* |
| 06:16.34 | DarkriftX | yeah, havent done sh scripting in a year :s |
| 06:16.37 | DarkriftX | and wasnt that good back then lol |
| 06:16.52 | DarkriftX | i still consider myself a linux n00b |
| 06:16.57 | d0nets | me too |
| 06:16.59 | DarkriftX | i jsut prefer command line |
| 06:18.45 | RyeBrye | I got a list of lines you can run to handle all the symlinks |
| 06:18.56 | BHSPitMonkey | http://www.androidworld.com/prod01.htm |
| 06:20.30 | RyeBrye | http://pastebin.com/f4db7c625 |
| 06:20.34 | *** join/#android Phlogi (n=kvirc@209-29.106-92.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 06:20.59 | RyeBrye | since it just uses -s and not -sf, it will just print a "file exists" if the link already exists to toolbox |
| 06:21.15 | RyeBrye | oh wait |
| 06:21.16 | RyeBrye | let me fix it |
| 06:21.17 | RyeBrye | one sec |
| 06:22.14 | d0nets | wtf is all of that? |
| 06:22.33 | RyeBrye | I've got to fix it... problem with line breaks |
| 06:24.35 | DarkriftX | d0nets, opinions: http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?mode=post&f=15&sid=d1159dbeed71dffd6b44970e64d65f75&rb_v=posting |
| 06:24.42 | DarkriftX | erm, wait |
| 06:24.42 | *** join/#android hackbod (n=hackbod@adsl-70-137-139-228.dsl.snfc21.sbcglobal.net) |
| 06:24.45 | RyeBrye | http://pastebin.com/f541b396e |
| 06:25.04 | RyeBrye | DarkritfX - copy and paste... and all of busybox should be symlinked withotu overwriting any of the toolbox |
| 06:25.07 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?f=15&t=153&rb_v=viewtopic <--- tell me if this works for you d0nets or anyone else trying to do this |
| 06:26.34 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, that can all be done with one line |
| 06:26.36 | DarkriftX | gimme a few |
| 06:27.56 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - no shit... look at what I pastebined |
| 06:28.03 | DarkriftX | i did |
| 06:28.04 | RyeBrye | use the ADB shell |
| 06:28.09 | RyeBrye | it worked for me |
| 06:28.17 | DarkriftX | its like 50 lines though, right? |
| 06:28.27 | RyeBrye | Oh... I thought you said "can't" |
| 06:28.28 | RyeBrye | :) |
| 06:28.31 | DarkriftX | no, it can |
| 06:28.33 | DarkriftX | im making it |
| 06:28.34 | RyeBrye | Yeah, it can |
| 06:28.34 | DarkriftX | gimme a few |
| 06:28.39 | RyeBrye | since all I did was use grep to build it |
| 06:28.41 | *** join/#android neerhaj (i=chatzill@203.115.94.239) |
| 06:29.32 | DarkriftX | what command did you use to build it? |
| 06:30.11 | RyeBrye | well... I did it in a text editor |
| 06:30.21 | RyeBrye | and just used regular expressions |
| 06:30.34 | RyeBrye | ([A-Za-z_1-9\-\.]+), was the search string |
| 06:30.58 | RyeBrye | and ln -s /system/bin/busybox /system/bin/$1\n was the replace string - then I did some cleanup... |
| 06:31.14 | d0nets | i cant dl it in my browser darkrifk |
| 06:31.21 | d0nets | it says elf and a bunch of crazy characters |
| 06:31.32 | DarkriftX | long press, save as |
| 06:32.17 | d0nets | shiese i will do it in the morning |
| 06:32.39 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 06:32.39 | d0nets | i didnt realize what time it was, i got class in a few |
| 06:33.07 | *** join/#android muthu (n=mobeegal@218.248.24.81) |
| 06:33.10 | RyeBrye | I guess a better search string would be: ([A-Za-z_1-9\-\.]+)(,|\W) |
| 06:33.32 | RyeBrye | since that first one didn't get the zcip at the end |
| 06:33.56 | RyeBrye | well.. I guess if you want tobe all technical and make it even shorter ([\w\d\-\.]+)(,|\W) |
| 06:34.50 | RyeBrye | oh wait... that one doesn't work... just stick wiht this one: ([A-Za-z_1-9\-\.]+)(,|\W) |
| 06:35.36 | RyeBrye | interesting, wifi is using /data for sockets |
| 06:36.20 | RyeBrye | hearts busybox |
| 06:36.28 | RyeBrye | you get uname, df, tar... etc |
| 06:37.28 | *** join/#android matt_c (n=mcroydon@gozur.sunflowerbroadband.com) |
| 06:38.54 | DarkriftX | oh fuck android |
| 06:39.10 | DarkriftX | i just spent 45 minutes setting symlinks and other shit and reboot killed it all |
| 06:39.36 | *** join/#android nebi (n=nebi@c-498fe253.02-145-7570701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 06:40.00 | DarkriftX | df was already there |
| 06:41.37 | neerhaj | what is releasekey.x509 for ? |
| 06:42.34 | *** join/#android jlapenna (n=jlapenna@c-76-103-158-243.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:42.45 | neerhaj | its in /system/etc/security. |
| 06:43.13 | RyeBrye | you don't have a releasekey.pk8 in there do you :) |
| 06:43.33 | neerhaj | nope |
| 06:43.41 | RyeBrye | it's just a public key |
| 06:43.51 | RyeBrye | used to verify stuff |
| 06:44.25 | neerhaj | so if i change the public key ? anything fruitful i could do ? |
| 06:44.30 | *** join/#android invain (n=invain@c193066.sait.samsung.co.kr) |
| 06:44.33 | RyeBrye | nope |
| 06:44.47 | RyeBrye | because the recovery tool uses it's own compiled-in keys to check |
| 06:45.01 | RyeBrye | are you on RC19? |
| 06:45.04 | RyeBrye | I don't see that file on mine |
| 06:45.07 | neerhaj | rc29 |
| 06:45.25 | cmonex | DarkriftX: so you got a g1? |
| 06:45.46 | neerhaj | hmm signed by HTC |
| 06:45.59 | RyeBrye | yeah, HTC signs the updates |
| 06:46.03 | RyeBrye | did you get your update OTA? |
| 06:46.16 | neerhaj | nope. through sd card |
| 06:46.22 | RyeBrye | weird |
| 06:46.25 | RyeBrye | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:47.02 | neerhaj | no. im just starting to poke around. i wanted to disable the security checks first. |
| 06:47.13 | RyeBrye | I think moving the key helps |
| 06:48.39 | DarkriftX | no cmonex still dont have one |
| 06:48.46 | DarkriftX | using the emulator |
| 06:49.07 | spikebike | moving otacerts.zip if you check to see if there is an ota update you just get a ssl error |
| 06:49.24 | RyeBrye | spikebike - did you put your cacerts.bk back? |
| 06:49.29 | RyeBrye | check and see if you are still getting errors |
| 06:49.45 | RyeBrye | I saw mine is working again but the otacerts is moved |
| 06:49.49 | RyeBrye | I think the cacerts it what controls it |
| 06:49.59 | spikebike | oh umm, will check |
| 06:50.11 | spikebike | IM failed without cacerts |
| 06:50.16 | invain | hello everyone... |
| 06:50.19 | spikebike | and I think all ssl ties |
| 06:50.24 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 06:50.27 | invain | any one help me about android porting. |
| 06:50.37 | invain | when i run "chroot /mnt /init" command, |
| 06:50.39 | RyeBrye | I think all of their stuff goes through android.clients.google.com does it not? |
| 06:50.40 | invain | i meet below |
| 06:50.44 | invain | error messages. |
| 06:50.45 | invain | write(7, "\21", 1) = 1 |
| 06:50.45 | invain | sigreturn() = ? (mask now []) |
| 06:50.45 | invain | poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN, reven1 |
| 06:50.45 | invain | read(8, "\21", 92) = 1 |
| 06:50.45 | invain | wait4(-1, [{WIFEXITED(s) && WEXITSTATUS(s) == 0}], WNOHANG, NULL) = 1891 |
| 06:50.46 | invain | kill(-1891, SIGKILL) = -1 ESRCH (No such process) |
| 06:50.48 | invain | unlink("/dev/socket/zygote") = 0 |
| 06:50.50 | invain | clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {132, 221169366}) = 0 |
| 06:50.52 | invain | open("/sys/android_power/request_state", O_WRONLY|O_CREAT|O_LARGEFILE, 0622) = 9 |
| 06:50.54 | invain | write(9, "wake", 4) = 4 |
| 06:50.56 | DarkriftX | wtf dude |
| 06:50.58 | invain | close(9) = 0 |
| 06:51.00 | invain | futex(0x400033a0, FUTEX_WAKE, 2147483647) = 0 |
| 06:51.02 | invain | futex(0x40001004, FUTEX_WAKE, 2147483647) = 0 |
| 06:51.04 | invain | wait4(-1, 0xbe828b70, WNOHANG, NULL) = 0 |
| 06:51.04 | DarkriftX | pastebin your shit |
| 06:51.06 | invain | clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {132, 223050633}) = 0 |
| 06:51.06 | RyeBrye | USE FUCKING PASTEBIN |
| 06:51.08 | invain | clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {132, 223263550}) = 0 |
| 06:51.10 | invain | poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN}], 3, 0 |
| 06:51.12 | invain | clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {135, 230595650}) = 0 |
| 06:51.14 | invain | stat64("/system/bin/app_process", {st_mode=S_IFREG|0777, st_size=5564, ...}) = 0 |
| 06:51.16 | invain | fork() = 1906 |
| 06:51.18 | invain | clock_gettime(CLOCK_MONOTONIC, {135, 250980066}) = 0 |
| 06:51.19 | DarkriftX | auto ignore (done manually) |
| 06:51.20 | invain | futex(0x400033a0, FUTEX_WAKE, 2147483647) = 0 |
| 06:51.22 | invain | futex(0x40001004, FUTEX_WAKE, 2147483647) = 0 |
| 06:51.23 | RyeBrye | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:51.24 | invain | poll([{fd=4, events=POLLIN}, {fd=6, events=POLLIN}, {fd=8, events=POLLIN}], 3, ) |
| 06:51.25 | RyeBrye | woops |
| 06:51.28 | invain | --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 06:51.30 | invain | write(7, "\21", 1) = 1 |
| 06:51.32 | invain | How can I figure out reason of above error messages? |
| 06:51.42 | Adamant | first, use a pastebin |
| 06:52.05 | spikebike | oh interesting it's downloading |
| 06:52.12 | RyeBrye | spikebike - huh? |
| 06:52.17 | RyeBrye | it's downloading or it's checking in? |
| 06:52.24 | RyeBrye | you better stop that! |
| 06:52.25 | spikebike | it wants to upgrade to signed-kila-ota-115247-prereq-TC4-RC19+$C28.zip |
| 06:52.31 | spikebike | it's downloading |
| 06:52.34 | DarkriftX | erm |
| 06:52.36 | DarkriftX | id cancel |
| 06:52.37 | spikebike | it wants to upgrade to signed-kila-ota-115247-prereq-TC4-RC19+RC28.zip |
| 06:52.48 | spikebike | is that the standard RC28 upgrade? |
| 06:52.53 | RyeBrye | probably |
| 06:52.53 | DarkriftX | maybe |
| 06:52.57 | RyeBrye | but... |
| 06:52.58 | DarkriftX | or maybe they want you to think that lol |
| 06:53.01 | RyeBrye | I wonder who that process runs as |
| 06:53.04 | DarkriftX | maybe they edited it |
| 06:53.26 | spikebike | I can wait and copy it off and md5sum |
| 06:53.32 | spikebike | anyone have that file? |
| 06:53.37 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 06:53.38 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 06:53.45 | DarkriftX | but ive seen 4x checksums for it :S |
| 06:53.47 | spikebike | post a sha256? |
| 06:53.50 | neerhaj | i did that upgrade through sd card |
| 06:53.55 | spikebike | md5 or related |
| 06:54.18 | RyeBrye | spikebike - are you on RC29 already? |
| 06:54.25 | DarkriftX | b1d8201ca431352a68cb15157aed998f /home/darkrift/Desktop/signed-kila-ota-115247-prereq.TC4-RC19+RC28.zip |
| 06:54.28 | spikebike | no RC19 |
| 06:54.31 | RyeBrye | ok |
| 06:54.38 | spikebike | dark and that still has the telnet hole? |
| 06:54.43 | DarkriftX | should |
| 06:54.45 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 06:54.47 | DarkriftX | thats the one i offer on my site |
| 06:54.55 | neerhaj | it does. i can confirm |
| 06:55.04 | spikebike | thanks, I'll checksum when it's down |
| 06:55.07 | DarkriftX | k |
| 06:55.13 | spikebike | unless it deletes it |
| 06:55.17 | DarkriftX | someone mail me a G1 lol |
| 06:56.00 | spikebike | is it actually RC28 or actually RC29? |
| 06:56.08 | DarkriftX | 29 |
| 06:56.12 | DarkriftX | named oddly though |
| 06:56.43 | DarkriftX | be nice to find a way to drop android to a shell and bring it back up |
| 06:56.52 | DarkriftX | s/shell/root shell/ |
| 06:57.00 | DarkriftX | ty infobot |
| 06:57.06 | spikebike | ? |
| 06:57.18 | spikebike | you mean like er the telnet hole? |
| 06:57.19 | DarkriftX | like linux, kill x, get shell, startx, get x :) |
| 06:57.25 | DarkriftX | after doing that |
| 06:57.34 | spikebike | ugh this will take awhile |
| 06:57.38 | spikebike | 3.5MB so far |
| 06:57.42 | DarkriftX | 44mb total |
| 06:57.49 | DarkriftX | 44.38 i think |
| 06:59.05 | neerhaj | in the manifest of every apk theres a sha , is that sha calculated just by name and size or even the actual contents of the files ? |
| 06:59.22 | spikebike | well otacerts.zip isn't there, I wonder if it will just delete it |
| 06:59.51 | RyeBrye | neerhaj - the contents |
| 07:00.18 | RyeBrye | spikebike - it will be interesting to see how it handles it |
| 07:00.31 | RyeBrye | I wonder, honestly, wtf otacerts is used for |
| 07:00.42 | RyeBrye | since the recovery flasher has the keys it checks for compiled into it |
| 07:00.46 | neerhaj | can we regenerate that sha or is it connected to the cert.sf and cert.rsa ? |
| 07:01.03 | RyeBrye | neerhaj - they are all connected |
| 07:01.11 | RyeBrye | neerhaj - you change one thing you break the validity of the signature |
| 07:01.19 | RyeBrye | neerhaj - that's the point of the signature |
| 07:01.33 | RyeBrye | spikerbike - is it doing it over EDGE or somethign? |
| 07:03.08 | spikebike | nice |
| 07:03.10 | DarkriftX | FUCK |
| 07:03.17 | RyeBrye | ? |
| 07:03.21 | DarkriftX | when i get stuck in something, ctrl+c kills the emu |
| 07:03.25 | DarkriftX | and undoes all my changes |
| 07:03.27 | DarkriftX | pissing me off |
| 07:03.32 | spikebike | it just switched over to wifi it's at 14MB |
| 07:03.51 | RyeBrye | spikebike - can you see what process is doing the update and who owns it? |
| 07:03.53 | RyeBrye | in ps? |
| 07:03.57 | neerhaj | so what file checks for these cert.rsa signs in all apk ? cacerts.bks ? |
| 07:04.11 | spikebike | sure let me pull up the terminal |
| 07:04.31 | RyeBrye | neerhaj - it's part of the security model. I have nfi what does the checking on the apks |
| 07:05.17 | RyeBrye | spikebike - if it's a non-root process dumping it to /cache - I wonder if writing a file to /cache as root that a non-root process woudl be unable to remove would cause it to run out of space and choke |
| 07:05.47 | RyeBrye | just a 20-megs of 0's woudl probably do the trick on it |
| 07:06.30 | RyeBrye | Or just strategically removing the stupid checker alltogether might work too |
| 07:06.59 | spikebike | it's in /cache owned by app_7 |
| 07:07.05 | RyeBrye | cool |
| 07:07.20 | *** join/#android mfrnc (n=mfrnc@210-84-32-12.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:07.27 | spikebike | app_7 is android.process.media |
| 07:07.32 | RyeBrye | if it asks you to reboot once it downloads, it's going to apply it |
| 07:07.49 | RyeBrye | because once it reboots it will be in apply mode and the recovery will not need otacerts to verify it |
| 07:07.56 | spikebike | k |
| 07:08.05 | spikebike | well it sounds safe to apply |
| 07:08.25 | RyeBrye | yeah, but since your number is up you shuodl be able to test out ways to make sure it wont download the updates |
| 07:08.26 | spikebike | is there a md5 or sha on the g1? |
| 07:08.34 | RyeBrye | in busybox there is |
| 07:08.45 | *** join/#android Hai-Fai (n=jarmo@hoasnet-fe35dd00-42.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 07:08.50 | spikebike | is that is what is in /system/bin? |
| 07:09.14 | spikebike | ah |
| 07:09.29 | spikebike | download status: complete(200): 46830260 of 46830260 bytes |
| 07:09.53 | RyeBrye | the udpate will wipe you your /system btw |
| 07:09.55 | spikebike | check-in status: fota_failure java.io.filenotfoundexception: /system/etc/security/otacerts.zip |
| 07:10.01 | RyeBrye | NICE :) |
| 07:10.16 | RyeBrye | does the updates-shouldn't-work dance |
| 07:10.26 | spikebike | so I see no reason to not apply it |
| 07:10.32 | RyeBrye | no, you shuold be able to |
| 07:10.39 | RyeBrye | you can just mv it to /sdcard and apply from there |
| 07:11.04 | RyeBrye | Although I wonder |
| 07:11.14 | RyeBrye | are there any other files it wrote in /cache? |
| 07:12.03 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, what would a good regex be to remove a comma? |
| 07:12.35 | DarkriftX | i suck at regex :( |
| 07:12.44 | RyeBrye | in the list of busybox stuff? |
| 07:12.52 | DarkriftX | from $i |
| 07:13.08 | DarkriftX | each $i has a comma |
| 07:13.25 | RyeBrye | I think of it in terms o fwhat I want to find, not what I don't want to find |
| 07:13.30 | RyeBrye | do they all END with a comma? |
| 07:13.35 | RyeBrye | and you want everything before the comma? |
| 07:13.57 | spikebike | there's a downloadfile.apk |
| 07:14.03 | spikebike | and a downloadfile-1.apk |
| 07:14.07 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 07:14.15 | spikebike | and 10 downloadfile-1.jpeg up to 1 |
| 07:14.18 | spikebike | up to 10 |
| 07:14.33 | RyeBrye | spikebike - that's just your porn |
| 07:14.39 | RyeBrye | (.*), would find everthing up to a comma |
| 07:14.57 | RyeBrye | but that will only owrk on one line - 'cause it's greedy |
| 07:15.02 | RyeBrye | replace with $1 |
| 07:15.22 | spikebike | downloading again |
| 07:15.24 | spikebike | 8-( |
| 07:15.27 | RyeBrye | LOL |
| 07:15.35 | RyeBrye | It just doesn't give up |
| 07:15.41 | spikebike | wifi is fast 8MB |
| 07:16.01 | RyeBrye | I wonder if there is a way to get that thing to just stop checking |
| 07:16.33 | spikebike | could just delete that cert |
| 07:16.40 | RyeBrye | the bks one? |
| 07:16.44 | RyeBrye | I don't thinkt hat's a good idea |
| 07:16.47 | spikebike | if you get rid of cacerts.bks or whatever it doesn't check |
| 07:16.54 | RyeBrye | well, yeah, but your SSL wont work either |
| 07:16.56 | spikebike | well if you decode it you could delete the particular key |
| 07:16.59 | RyeBrye | Yeah |
| 07:17.03 | RyeBrye | It's a keystore |
| 07:17.21 | RyeBrye | I'm actually looking into doing that now |
| 07:17.44 | RyeBrye | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1016#c5 talks about adding to it |
| 07:18.13 | spikebike | 30MB |
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| 07:19.20 | spikebike | 40 |
| 07:19.28 | spikebike | 41 |
| 07:19.34 | spikebike | 42 |
| 07:19.40 | spikebike | 43 |
| 07:19.47 | spikebike | 44 |
| 07:19.53 | spikebike | 45 |
| 07:19.55 | languish | ... |
| 07:20.09 | spikebike | 46.8 |
| 07:20.46 | spikebike | completed... waiitng |
| 07:21.12 | spikebike | ah the query, upgrade no or later |
| 07:21.44 | spikebike | think I should just do it or checksum it |
| 07:23.54 | spikebike | applies |
| 07:25.57 | RyeBrye | I'm pretty sure that file is just a set of root ca certs |
| 07:26.00 | spikebike | it showed the box open |
| 07:26.04 | spikebike | not it's the arrow into a chip |
| 07:26.18 | RyeBrye | if you hit alt-l it gives progress |
| 07:26.23 | RyeBrye | L that is |
| 07:26.26 | RyeBrye | alt-L |
| 07:26.41 | spikebike | just rebooted twice |
| 07:26.43 | RyeBrye | but not on the chip part |
| 07:26.48 | RyeBrye | yeah, your back in RC29 |
| 07:26.55 | spikebike | I was in RC19 |
| 07:27.07 | RyeBrye | your /sytem gets wiped with the update |
| 07:27.22 | spikebike | as long as it has the magic telnetd I'll be happy |
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| 07:29.37 | RyeBrye | so it was the media process that was downloading it? |
| 07:30.09 | spikebike | it was the only one with the right username |
| 07:30.59 | spikebike | root still works |
| 07:32.24 | RyeBrye | still... we should really work on getting this thing to not checkin |
| 07:33.03 | RyeBrye | it will just keep downloading if the keys aren't in place? |
| 07:33.14 | spikebike | no checkin fails |
| 07:33.20 | spikebike | it checks once an hour or something |
| 07:33.21 | RyeBrye | not the cacerts |
| 07:33.22 | RyeBrye | but the ota |
| 07:33.33 | spikebike | oh yeah, I suspect it will download each time |
| 07:33.36 | spikebike | then delete |
| 07:33.37 | RyeBrye | I blocked it in my hosts file, but I think that blocked everything else too |
| 07:33.44 | neerhaj | i have this tool called KeyTool IUI, but u need the keystore password to open that bks |
| 07:33.50 | RyeBrye | do all of the google services go to android.clients.google.com |
| 07:33.57 | RyeBrye | Yeah, I don't know the PW to the bks |
| 07:34.12 | spikebike | there's a pw? |
| 07:34.20 | RyeBrye | there are pw's on keystores |
| 07:34.21 | spikebike | goes to do phone #2 |
| 07:34.35 | RyeBrye | that one might not have it's number up yet |
| 07:36.00 | spikebike | they were bought at the same time.. but your are right |
| 07:36.45 | RyeBrye | I don't know if the Check In piece is in the source tree - I'm grepping to find the string "Check for upgrade" and not seeing it |
| 07:36.53 | spikebike | hope it hits soon |
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| 07:37.09 | spikebike | i.e. before rc30 |
| 07:37.16 | RyeBrye | yeah |
| 07:37.29 | RyeBrye | I think t-mobile said RC29 could be up until Nov12th |
| 07:37.46 | neerhaj | besides cacerts and otacert any other security file u guys found ? |
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| 07:38.44 | RyeBrye | no |
| 07:39.13 | neerhaj | so these two are the culprits |
| 07:39.34 | RyeBrye | culprits for what? |
| 07:39.56 | neerhaj | stopping me from replacing files |
| 07:39.58 | RyeBrye | cacerts is the list of trusted authorities that you must have to be able to trust SSL certs |
| 07:40.05 | RyeBrye | No, they aren't |
| 07:40.27 | RyeBrye | otacert.zip are the public keys used for the OTA updates so they can be verified when they are downloaded |
| 07:40.50 | RyeBrye | the recovery piece that does the flashing has it's own list of keys COMPILED INTO IT that it looks for |
| 07:40.51 | spikebike | well the problem is |
| 07:41.03 | spikebike | the .bks file might just have the normal root certs |
| 07:41.08 | spikebike | nothing specific to google |
| 07:41.09 | RyeBrye | I think it does |
| 07:41.16 | RyeBrye | I just looked at the strings in it |
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| 07:41.51 | spikebike | not sure if it supports a negative cert |
| 07:42.01 | spikebike | or a blacklist |
| 07:43.09 | RyeBrye | they might use the same cert on their server for all their android.clients.google.com - so blocking the checkin might also block the syncing |
| 07:43.50 | spikebike | dunno if an /etc/hosts entry would block that host |
| 07:43.59 | RyeBrye | I think it does |
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| 07:44.25 | spikebike | it could just give preference to dns |
| 07:45.18 | RyeBrye | true |
| 07:45.33 | neerhaj | it seems package manager is scanning for valid cert in apk |
| 07:45.46 | RyeBrye | yeah, that is probably true too |
| 07:45.54 | RyeBrye | everything has to be signed in the apks |
| 07:46.08 | RyeBrye | but the signature doesn't have to be from a trusted source |
| 07:46.15 | RyeBrye | from what I've read |
| 07:46.40 | RyeBrye | oh, I think I blocked the thing in my hosts file and the market might have stopped working... not sure |
| 07:47.26 | RyeBrye | I wonder if I could just write an entry in the sql_lite db to tell it my last checkin was in 2049 or something |
| 07:47.39 | RyeBrye | and if it would just be like "oh, that's definitely recent enough" |
| 07:47.44 | RyeBrye | and just not check |
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| 07:48.08 | spikebike | hmm |
| 07:48.17 | spikebike | strace of the device_info run |
| 07:48.29 | spikebike | should at least give a hint |
| 07:50.11 | RyeBrye | Hmm... my /system is full |
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| 07:55.03 | ionstorm | now what is the best way to tether, ssh proxy? |
| 07:57.03 | ionstorm | netcat should work nc -l -p 80 | nc irc.target_server.com 6667 | nc -b -l -p 80 |
| 07:57.30 | ionstorm | ;] |
| 07:58.35 | spikebike | just build the iptables client side |
| 07:58.47 | spikebike | then turn on ip masq |
| 07:59.47 | ionstorm | doesnt connectbot create a ssh tunnel? |
| 07:59.52 | ionstorm | or have that ability? |
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| 08:02.10 | DarkriftX | http://android-dls.com/forum/index.php?f=15&t=153&p=422&rb_v=viewtopic#p422 |
| 08:02.17 | ionstorm | ssh -D 9999 -C me@ipaddress.com |
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| 08:02.26 | DarkriftX | modified it to have one large pastable chunk (bottom of first post) |
| 08:03.33 | Neverender | i havent seen anything about the g1 being rooted on any major site.. |
| 08:03.40 | RyeBrye | maybe that's good :) |
| 08:03.52 | Neverender | heh yeah |
| 08:03.54 | RyeBrye | maybe that means it will be a lower priority fix :) |
| 08:03.57 | RyeBrye | doubts that |
| 08:04.13 | swetland | yup. google obviously is completely unaware of the issue ^^ |
| 08:04.29 | Neverender | obviously |
| 08:04.30 | RyeBrye | It's T-mobile I'm worried about being aware of the issue :) |
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| 08:04.44 | neerhaj | i wonder if we'll be allowed to discuss telnetting here |
| 08:06.21 | DarkriftX | lol swetland |
| 08:06.39 | DarkriftX | major site? |
| 08:06.40 | DarkriftX | meaning? |
| 08:07.02 | Neverender | i dunno |
| 08:07.05 | DarkriftX | its on xda-devs, androidcommunity, and lots of others |
| 08:07.08 | Neverender | not just a forum post somewhere |
| 08:07.29 | DarkriftX | ive got 43 blogs linking to my forum post about it alone (just from today) and ive found 3 diggs about it |
| 08:07.48 | DarkriftX | its out there, but i do see your point |
| 08:08.01 | DarkriftX | not many sites to give news on hacking a phone |
| 08:08.02 | Neverender | and i see yours |
| 08:08.14 | DarkriftX | and im afraid to /. my site |
| 08:08.23 | DarkriftX | shared hosting lol |
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| 08:10.48 | Chainfire | DarkriftX> link? |
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| 08:10.56 | DarkriftX | to what |
| 08:10.57 | Chainfire | (just woke up... missed the convo) |
| 08:11.07 | DarkriftX | oh, about g1 being rooted |
| 08:11.14 | Chainfire | yah |
| 08:11.20 | DarkriftX | he is saying he doesnt see it on any major sites |
| 08:11.48 | languish | yeah, i'm suprised engadgetmobile hasn't blasted it to the world yet |
| 08:12.32 | languish | or tmonews for that matter |
| 08:12.34 | Chainfire | cool. hopefully when my g1 comes in today... :) |
| 08:12.36 | Chainfire | afk |
| 08:13.28 | cmonex | heh hey Chainfire |
| 08:14.58 | Tauno | "Public Service Announcement: this channel may now be logged on the web" <-- url anyone? |
| 08:17.08 | cmonex | yeah i'd like url |
| 08:23.27 | DarkriftX | lol, someone /.'d my site :S |
| 08:24.15 | DarkriftX | http://slashdot.org/firehose.pl?op=view&id=1704251 |
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| 08:30.57 | DarkriftX | here it goes again |
| 08:31.03 | DarkriftX | channel dying off for the night |
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| 08:31.50 | Tauno | what night are you talking about.. it's 10:30 am ;) |
| 08:31.53 | swetland | dark: people have been running busybox on android for quite a while now. you don't need root for that ^^ |
| 08:32.15 | DarkriftX | what was on there wasnt full busybox |
| 08:32.25 | DarkriftX | the "toolbox" ? |
| 08:32.35 | swetland | yes |
| 08:32.40 | DarkriftX | its got like 12 commands |
| 08:32.42 | DarkriftX | the rest are gone |
| 08:32.49 | swetland | but that hasn't stopped people from using busybox on the platform |
| 08:32.58 | DarkriftX | i tried to symlink it to a lot of commands and nothing worked |
| 08:33.00 | RyeBrye | from the /data ? |
| 08:33.16 | RyeBrye | swetland - where did they run it from? |
| 08:33.18 | swetland | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:33.24 | RyeBrye | ah |
| 08:33.38 | swetland | I *think* /data/local/bin is in the path for adb shell |
| 08:33.44 | swetland | if not, it should be (that was the intention) |
| 08:34.00 | RyeBrye | but obviously su wouldn't work there :P |
| 08:34.07 | RyeBrye | since /data is nosuid |
| 08:34.16 | swetland | yup |
| 08:34.32 | RyeBrye | I'll submit a patch to init.rc to fix that for you guys :) |
| 08:34.38 | DarkriftX | lol |
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| 08:35.17 | cmonex | hm DarkriftX |
| 08:35.29 | cmonex | PM |
| 08:35.38 | DarkriftX | the "toolbox" is a very slimmed down version of busybox |
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| 08:36.41 | swetland | it's not actually a version of busybox |
| 08:36.59 | swetland | though it works similarly (bunch of little commands in one binary) |
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| 08:37.30 | RyeBrye | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:38.36 | DarkriftX | i wish soemone had compiled and created an android rom for the dell axim x51 :( |
| 08:40.42 | cmonex | RyeBrye |
| 08:40.46 | cmonex | i wasnt here most of the time |
| 08:40.56 | cmonex | have you managed to compile anything C yet? |
| 08:41.33 | RyeBrye | yeah, but nothign worthwhile |
| 08:41.38 | RyeBrye | I was busy doing work most of the day today |
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| 08:44.07 | RyeBrye | I'm beat... |
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| 08:48.16 | systm | so we have root on android.. |
| 08:48.19 | systm | er g1 |
| 08:48.27 | DarkriftX | yup |
| 08:49.20 | DarkriftX | next step, the world! |
| 08:49.51 | systm | well, I cant do WPA2_enterprise via the Wifi config, but couldn't I in Wpa_supplicant? |
| 08:49.51 | DarkriftX | like i said, i would love a way to be able to drop out of "android" and to a linux console and be able to restart android up |
| 08:49.55 | DarkriftX | would be great :) |
| 08:50.09 | systm | question, why does telnet seem so laggy? |
| 08:50.16 | DarkriftX | of course i want a g1 more for a pda and less for a phone |
| 08:50.18 | Tauno | sorry for asking something android specific but am I safe if I store username/password combos in plaintext in sharedPreferences? (I get the prefs by calling getSharedPreferences(String name, MODE_PRIVATE) ) |
| 08:51.03 | DarkriftX | no idea systm, havent heard anyone else say that |
| 08:52.14 | neerhaj | http://gizmodo.com/5076790/android-g1-jailbroken-already |
| 08:52.29 | Tauno | I mean.. how is security enforced there? Is the file/db/whatever the SharedPreferences uses encrypted on the device and can i be sure that only my application can see the values or do I have to roll my own encryption there? |
| 08:55.25 | Tauno | I guess I'll have to ask again if you guys wake up :) |
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| 08:58.14 | Chainfire | backish... hey cmonex |
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| 08:59.51 | cmonex | Chainfire :) |
| 09:00.22 | cmonex | RyeBrye : PM ? :) |
| 09:00.23 | DarkriftX | goes to sleep |
| 09:00.24 | DarkriftX | gn all |
| 09:00.27 | cmonex | gnite |
| 09:01.10 | Chainfire | nn DarkriftX |
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| 09:03.23 | systm | oh Dark, im reading your busybox tut |
| 09:03.45 | systm | if i follow everything there, i shouldn't fudge anything? |
| 09:04.08 | DarkriftX | nope |
| 09:04.13 | systm | k |
| 09:04.19 | DarkriftX | well, be careful, that gives you write access to /system |
| 09:04.28 | DarkriftX | that can allow you to screw lots up |
| 09:04.34 | DarkriftX | but htose commands are safe to that point |
| 09:05.10 | swetland | be careful not to delete your files. androids need files for optimal happiness. |
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| 09:05.35 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 09:05.37 | DarkriftX | exactly |
| 09:05.41 | cmonex | well |
| 09:05.45 | cmonex | reflash if that happens |
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| 09:07.23 | DarkriftX | cmonex, not everyone is as unscared of a brick as you. most ppl would freak at that point, you would just fix it |
| 09:07.40 | DarkriftX | you have probably bricked and unbricked more devices the htc has made :S |
| 09:08.03 | DarkriftX | anyways, gn for real this time |
| 09:08.13 | Chainfire | meh cmonex never bricked any of my devices and ive tested several of her stuff ;) |
| 09:08.37 | DarkriftX | she normally tests stuff first |
| 09:08.44 | DarkriftX | ask her why she is a jtag expert lol |
| 09:09.14 | Chainfire | you mean except on the devices she doesnt have :P |
| 09:09.18 | DarkriftX | and im mostly joking |
| 09:09.54 | systm | what does busybox cp -s busybox cp do? |
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| 09:23.56 | Chainfire | emplores UPS to deliver the G1 already... :/ |
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| 09:24.36 | kIDDAI | is there a way to manually close apps on the g1 |
| 09:24.44 | spikebike | kill |
| 09:25.31 | kIDDAI | no terminal, right |
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| 09:41.19 | malcolm_ | uuuhau |
| 09:42.29 | cmonex | jtag expert? |
| 09:42.46 | cmonex | that's because 900c has this problem it has NOR flash without ECC |
| 09:42.54 | cmonex | corrupt bootloader for no reason :) |
| 09:43.00 | cmonex | but yes i know you are joking |
| 09:52.41 | spikebike | kIDDAI use pterminal |
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| 10:26.46 | dream_kill | hi |
| 10:32.50 | dream_kill | anyone awake? |
| 10:33.05 | languish | plz, no kill meh dream |
| 10:33.28 | languish | i's needin b makin ph1 kallz |
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| 10:39.16 | og01 | lwhats the latest firmware version? |
| 10:39.17 | Tauno_ | Sure I'm awake.. it's 12:38 why should I be sleeping? :P |
| 10:39.33 | neerhaj | rc29 |
| 10:40.12 | dream_kill | rc29 for US |
| 10:40.17 | dream_kill | RC7 for uk |
| 10:40.17 | og01 | will my phone auto download the latest revision or should i get it myself |
| 10:40.19 | og01 | uk |
| 10:40.35 | neerhaj | u will get a prompt |
| 10:40.50 | languish | og01 if you wait, it will come. |
| 10:40.59 | og01 | ok i got rc7anyhow |
| 10:41.05 | languish | no telling when though |
| 10:41.32 | og01 | there isnt seperate branches for uk/us is there? |
| 10:41.43 | neerhaj | no |
| 10:42.05 | og01 | why delay uk then? |
| 10:42.38 | Tauno_ | first test it in US, they are not as whiney as UK.. I gues.. |
| 10:42.50 | og01 | heheh perhaps not |
| 10:42.52 | languish | lol, sure we are :) |
| 10:43.26 | Chainfire | meh |
| 10:43.32 | Chainfire | US customers are the _most_ whiney |
| 10:43.40 | languish | see? |
| 10:43.46 | Chainfire | while you hardly ever hear from Japanese customers |
| 10:43.51 | og01 | any good points of interest in the change log? |
| 10:43.53 | Chainfire | and Europe being somewhere in between :) |
| 10:43.59 | og01 | looks for a change log |
| 10:45.11 | Tauno_ | We also don't complain here... at least not in public.. we complain to our wife when we get home but only after she promises that she won't tell anyone that we complained about stuff :P |
| 10:47.16 | dream_kill | i tested uk, us HTC and chinese roms |
| 10:47.24 | dream_kill | UK and US are locked down |
| 10:47.30 | og01 | hmm the update log on googlecode has too much in it to sift the good stuff |
| 10:47.38 | dream_kill | chinese and HTC brand no locked down and root acess |
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| 10:48.17 | og01 | anybody know of anything goosd to expect iwhen we update to >=rc29? |
| 10:48.39 | languish | og01, ut's mostly bugfixes |
| 10:49.06 | og01 | any improovement to im? |
| 10:49.21 | og01 | i was expecting more protocols when i got the phone |
| 10:51.08 | languish | dunno what gave you the impression to expect such a thing. engadget had a list of the rc28 changes in one of their posts, and rc29 adds the borwser patch for an exploit |
| 10:51.21 | languish | *browser |
| 10:51.57 | Neverender | og01: uk and us are different branches |
| 10:51.58 | Neverender | i think |
| 10:52.34 | Neverender | rc7 is comparable to rc29 or maybe rc19 |
| 10:52.36 | Neverender | i dunno |
| 10:52.42 | og01 | well most previews of the phone stated aim and windowslive/msn support out of the box |
| 10:53.21 | og01 | no biggie, i can wait for a multiprotocol client |
| 10:53.46 | og01 | atm im resorting to bitlbee though |
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| 10:54.24 | Neverender | you dont have aim/msn/yahoo? |
| 10:54.37 | og01 | umm nope |
| 10:54.44 | og01 | not that i can find |
| 10:55.54 | Neverender | hmm |
| 10:56.04 | og01 | Neverender: please enlighten me on how to add account for these |
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| 10:56.34 | Neverender | but you have gtalk? |
| 10:56.40 | og01 | indeed |
| 10:57.44 | Neverender | i dont know what to tell you |
| 10:58.12 | og01 | pressing menu on the gtalk account screen does nothing |
| 10:58.30 | og01 | is it a seperate app or bundled in with gtalk? |
| 10:58.41 | Neverender | i have an im client that has aim, gtalk, windows live and yahoo |
| 10:58.57 | og01 | where are you from? |
| 10:58.57 | Neverender | its pretty straightforward |
| 10:58.59 | Neverender | us |
| 10:59.14 | og01 | must be a difference in versions |
| 10:59.22 | og01 | im running rc7 |
| 10:59.23 | Neverender | must be different, yeah |
| 10:59.24 | iNToIT | shouldn't be :| |
| 10:59.27 | iNToIT | ah |
| 10:59.35 | iNToIT | you're in the .uk? |
| 10:59.42 | og01 | yup |
| 11:00.24 | og01 | will these protocols be supported in an upcomming version? |
| 11:00.26 | iNToIT | interesting. htc stated there wouldn't be a difference in shipping versions between the US and UK. I'm surenow they meant just the hardware, or didn't check with t-mobile/google first |
| 11:00.56 | Chainfire | HTC has no control over what T-Mobile decides to change (wether or not due to Google) |
| 11:01.07 | iNToIT | og01, wait another few hours, then ask when the google devs are here |
| 11:01.24 | iNToIT | it's still 6am EST here, and 3am where most of the gdevs are |
| 11:01.25 | og01 | ok will do |
| 11:01.38 | og01 | so 5 hours? |
| 11:01.42 | iNToIT | sure |
| 11:01.52 | Neverender | i remember a google dev saying there were some slight differences to the us and uk software |
| 11:01.58 | Neverender | i guess thats one of them |
| 11:02.01 | og01 | i'll ask after work |
| 11:02.04 | iNToIT | appearently there are |
| 11:02.07 | og01 | must be |
| 11:02.24 | iNToIT | makes sense, just, disappointing |
| 11:02.30 | og01 | else im exceptionally think and am missing something major about the ui |
| 11:02.44 | iNToIT | og01, did you longpress? |
| 11:02.51 | og01 | (pretty sure im not) |
| 11:02.56 | og01 | yup i did |
| 11:02.59 | iNToIT | but no.. all 4 were on the menu in the IM app I have |
| 11:03.07 | rwhitby | one would hope the software is different, cause in most countries you don't need all the carrier lockdown that happens in the US ... |
| 11:03.09 | iNToIT | didn't need to do anything to make them appear |
| 11:03.20 | og01 | i'll try again |
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| 11:03.24 | Tauno_ | the uk version does not ship with the same IM protocol support AFAIK.. this has been discussed here recently |
| 11:04.14 | og01 | yup defintatly nothing but gtalk |
| 11:04.21 | Neverender | that reminds me |
| 11:04.25 | Neverender | its 3 am |
| 11:04.26 | og01 | it is a shame |
| 11:04.34 | og01 | as i was expecting them |
| 11:04.41 | tomgibara | Also it doesn't appear to have the voice dialer either. |
| 11:04.48 | iNToIT | og01, perhaps theres an Im app in your market |
| 11:04.55 | iNToIT | that you can use.. |
| 11:05.02 | og01 | there is im+ |
| 11:05.13 | iNToIT | oh, the $20 app |
| 11:05.14 | og01 | but its rubish and only 7day trial |
| 11:05.24 | iNToIT | yeah, something free should come out |
| 11:05.28 | og01 | im using bitlbee atm |
| 11:06.01 | Chainfire | android market already does payed apps? thought that would happen in 2009 |
| 11:06.04 | og01 | though irc client on a box using connectbot |
| 11:06.29 | iNToIT | somethign about my market app is hosed |
| 11:06.34 | og01 | no they release a free trial which must be unlocked by regestering at the devs website |
| 11:06.52 | Chainfire | heh |
| 11:06.58 | Chainfire | isnt that against google market regulations? |
| 11:07.20 | og01 | not sure, but its well known about i would say |
| 11:07.39 | iNToIT | whenever I start the market app, even after closing it, it continues to attempt a 3g connection, and logcat fills up with E/SOCKETLOG( 189): add_recv_stats recv 0 |
| 11:07.54 | iNToIT | after awhile it restarts the phone |
| 11:08.20 | iNToIT | oh damn |
| 11:08.23 | iNToIT | just realized |
| 11:08.46 | Chainfire | "However, if you want to collect fees after the free trial expires, you must collect all fees for the full version of the Product through the Payment Processor on the Market." |
| 11:09.09 | og01 | hmm |
| 11:09.17 | Chainfire | section 3.3 |
| 11:09.43 | og01 | perhaps googlely people should be informes about it then |
| 11:09.51 | Chainfire | myeah |
| 11:09.53 | og01 | just incase they missed it |
| 11:10.05 | Chainfire | im not at all happy with google market thing though |
| 11:10.24 | og01 | what about it dont you like? |
| 11:10.52 | languish | I'm sure the google market will improve drastically |
| 11:11.04 | Chainfire | it pretty much says if you want on the market you cant sell it anywhere else. i think you need to use google checkout - which would be ok if it was actually available for non-US and non-UK residents) |
| 11:11.05 | languish | right now I find it highly entertaining |
| 11:11.16 | Chainfire | google is allowed it to use your commercial product without charging, etc |
| 11:11.20 | Neverender | its a beta, you know :-D |
| 11:11.33 | Chainfire | its not about the software, its about the terms :) |
| 11:12.03 | og01 | hmm |
| 11:12.21 | Chainfire | also, you cannot take anything off the market - they are allowed to keep it - but they are allowed to change their fees and such |
| 11:12.27 | og01 | well you dont have to selling from the market atall |
| 11:12.31 | Chainfire | whats to step 'em from making the fee 100% of sale price :) |
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| 11:12.57 | languish | Chainfire, if they did no one else would add apps to the market |
| 11:13.00 | Neverender | devs not putting there apps on the market, thats what |
| 11:13.12 | Neverender | what he said |
| 11:13.35 | Chainfire | but what if they do it in 5 years? :) |
| 11:13.58 | languish | then in 5 years and a few days, no one else would add apps to the market anymore |
| 11:14.23 | Chainfire | myeah but all the apps that are already on it they can take all the profit ;) |
| 11:14.37 | languish | i wouldn't qworry about it |
| 11:14.40 | Neverender | it wouldnt be in googles best interest to do that |
| 11:14.50 | languish | they'll all be warezed by then anyway, by the authors :| |
| 11:14.51 | Chainfire | its my job to worry about it, languish. |
| 11:14.54 | og01 | by which time there might be several other markets avaliable |
| 11:15.03 | Neverender | no new apps would still kill the market |
| 11:15.25 | languish | there are other markets even now |
| 11:15.34 | og01 | vendor specific ones etc |
| 11:15.38 | languish | pick a different market with terms you like better |
| 11:15.45 | languish | or create your own market |
| 11:15.50 | og01 | languish: really? |
| 11:15.53 | languish | yes |
| 11:16.06 | og01 | languish: with app |
| 11:16.09 | og01 | ? |
| 11:16.25 | og01 | languish: or just webpage repositorys |
| 11:16.32 | languish | http://gizmodo.com/5066938/mobihand-launching-android-app-store-colors-us-confused |
| 11:16.38 | languish | among others |
| 11:16.49 | languish | yeah, one or two of them have their own app |
| 11:17.07 | languish | more will likely follow suit in the future |
| 11:17.14 | og01 | you found them to be any good? |
| 11:17.21 | languish | i haven't bothered yet. |
| 11:17.48 | ErikT | There's like 5 apps on the Handango store. ;-) |
| 11:17.57 | languish | :) |
| 11:18.07 | languish | aren;t 2 of them EA games too? |
| 11:18.18 | ErikT | Yeah, something like that. |
| 11:18.18 | Chainfire | cant say im happy with handango or mobihand either :P |
| 11:18.21 | ErikT | It's pathetic. |
| 11:19.15 | languish | wtf, $25 app on handango for a video player/ |
| 11:19.35 | languish | oh, worse, it's a video converter |
| 11:19.41 | languish | for pc |
| 11:19.44 | Chainfire | oh cool |
| 11:19.45 | languish | facepalm |
| 11:19.50 | languish | just use Super |
| 11:19.52 | Chainfire | google checkout now available in my country :) yay! |
| 11:19.54 | languish | it works great |
| 11:19.56 | kIDDAI | i will send you vlc for even 10 bucks |
| 11:19.57 | kIDDAI | :) |
| 11:20.03 | languish | Chainfire, lol |
| 11:20.47 | languish | yeah, if you want to convert video for the g1, http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?topic=3261.0 |
| 11:22.33 | Chainfire | oh great, but no google checkout for merchants for my country :/ |
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| 12:06.32 | og01 | anybody know of a text file viewer/editor? |
| 12:06.56 | og01 | fpr the android platform |
| 12:07.59 | languish | there's one in the market called pTextEdit |
| 12:08.07 | languish | (yes including the p) |
| 12:08.28 | og01 | thanks |
| 12:08.35 | languish | np |
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| 12:28.06 | Laz | telnet on the g1 yay |
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| 13:00.28 | kernel_panic | any document regarding android build structure |
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| 13:00.41 | kernel_panic | can anybody help me |
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| 13:06.42 | Dougie187 | android build structure? |
| 13:06.46 | Dougie187 | like compiling the source? |
| 13:07.23 | kernel_panic | no |
| 13:07.32 | kernel_panic | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.41 | kernel_panic | flow of compilation |
| 13:08.08 | Dougie187 | isn't there a readme with the source? |
| 13:08.11 | Dougie187 | or something? |
| 13:08.34 | kernel_panic | readme is thr |
| 13:08.45 | kernel_panic | but not regarding the flow |
| 13:09.10 | jbq_ | do you mean, in which order things are getting done? |
| 13:09.21 | kernel_panic | ya |
| 13:09.43 | kernel_panic | so that i can compile some parts separatly |
| 13:09.55 | kernel_panic | if they r independent |
| 13:10.04 | jbq_ | It uses dependencies in make, and the order is only loosely defined. |
| 13:10.40 | kernel_panic | i m going through the main.mk |
| 13:11.05 | kernel_panic | but i m not getting proper flow idea |
| 13:12.13 | kernel_panic | do u have any idea |
| 13:12.29 | kernel_panic | like if i want to compile only core |
| 13:13.15 | kernel_panic | do it have any flags to set for compiling separate parts of build |
| 13:13.25 | jbq_ | in this case you need to know the target name of core.dex (or whatever file you want to compile), and type make <target_name> |
| 13:13.50 | jbq_ | I don't know how the target names are built, though. |
| 13:14.23 | jbq_ | Look at the mm and mmm macros that are installed by build/envsetup.sh, they might give you clues or other ways to achieve what you want. |
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| 13:14.56 | kernel_panic | k fine |
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| 13:15.36 | jbq_ | Sorry, I'm not an expert in the implementation details. I'm not trying to make things hard for you, I just don't know the details. |
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| 13:18.21 | kernel_panic | k |
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| 13:24.46 | landslide | when I build, i get an 'Unrecognized option : 99999999' |
| 13:26.10 | jbq_ | Would you happen to be building on linux, with several javac programs installed (e.g. JDK, gcj, OpenJDK)? |
| 13:30.44 | eldenz | anyone tried the ApiDemos on an actual G1, what framerates do you get for the rotating cubes? |
| 13:31.24 | eldenz | the one example where the fps are displayed |
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| 13:40.31 | Laz | over 9000!!! |
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| 13:41.48 | eldenz | but how much does it drop? |
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| 13:57.41 | invain_ | hi |
| 13:58.06 | michaelnovakjr | Laz ... |
| 13:58.15 | Laz | yes? |
| 13:58.20 | michaelnovakjr | over 9000 huh |
| 13:58.25 | Laz | :) |
| 13:59.05 | Laz | irssi coming to g1 soon |
| 13:59.36 | michaelnovakjr | nice, i'm writing an IRC client too :) |
| 13:59.38 | eldenz | you liar |
| 13:59.47 | michaelnovakjr | i'm writing one yes |
| 14:00.03 | eldenz | i mean Laz |
| 14:00.08 | michaelnovakjr | ah :) |
| 14:00.16 | eldenz | : ) |
| 14:00.36 | Laz | trying to compile irssi to ARM |
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| 14:00.49 | michaelnovakjr | uh |
| 14:01.51 | `vip | yay my phone will be delivered sometime today |
| 14:02.00 | `vip | hopefully in the next couple of hours! |
| 14:02.01 | `vip | ;D |
| 14:02.42 | ttuttle | `vip: congrats |
| 14:03.09 | `vip | im excited :P |
| 14:03.24 | `vip | only thing im sad about is no internet sharing yet :( |
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| 14:03.57 | `vip | michaelnovakjr: which client are you writing ? |
| 14:04.04 | `vip | isnt someone here writing IRCell also ? |
| 14:04.04 | michaelnovakjr | my own ;) |
| 14:04.14 | michaelnovakjr | i'm writing one meant for android |
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| 14:04.39 | og01 | do oyu have a project page? |
| 14:04.48 | michaelnovakjr | not yet |
| 14:05.01 | og01 | is using irssi on his g1 already (kinda) |
| 14:05.04 | michaelnovakjr | i'm working on two projects at the same time... |
| 14:05.14 | michaelnovakjr | so haven't dedicated to project pages yet |
| 14:05.23 | og01 | whats the other? |
| 14:05.31 | michaelnovakjr | Flickr app |
| 14:05.40 | michaelnovakjr | upload and management |
| 14:05.40 | og01 | meh |
| 14:05.55 | og01 | concentrate on the irc client |
| 14:06.00 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 14:06.02 | og01 | plx |
| 14:06.34 | og01 | i would write/:elp write myself |
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| 14:06.49 | michaelnovakjr | not a programmer? |
| 14:06.51 | og01 | its what i want more than anything atm |
| 14:06.57 | og01 | yeah i am |
| 14:07.00 | Laz | ahhh almost!!!! it crashed |
| 14:07.56 | Dougie187 | good morning michaelnovakjr |
| 14:07.56 | og01 | learning java and android api now |
| 14:07.56 | michaelnovakjr | good morning Dougie187 |
| 14:07.56 | Dougie187 | Hows it going? |
| 14:07.56 | ttuttle | good morning |
| 14:07.56 | michaelnovakjr | not bad |
| 14:07.57 | Dougie187 | good morning ttuttle |
| 14:07.57 | michaelnovakjr | how's it going? |
| 14:07.57 | Dougie187 | pretty good |
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| 14:08.04 | Dougie187 | trying to get all of these stupid optimization programs to work. |
| 14:08.11 | Dougie187 | its a pain in my ass... |
| 14:08.23 | og01 | i think i could start doing more complicated apps in a few weeks |
| 14:08.40 | michaelnovakjr | done anything in java before og01 ? |
| 14:08.41 | og01 | teying to write a veey simple profile manager atm |
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| 14:08.54 | og01 | no java before no |
| 14:09.19 | michaelnovakjr | what's your background? what languages do you usually write in? |
| 14:09.42 | og01 | most my exp is with c, cpp, vcpp etc |
| 14:09.55 | og01 | and the basics |
| 14:10.04 | og01 | err vb etc |
| 14:10.10 | michaelnovakjr | :) i hate vb |
| 14:10.15 | Dougie187 | lol who doesnt? |
| 14:10.18 | Dougie187 | vb sucks. |
| 14:10.19 | og01 | like wise |
| 14:10.34 | Dougie187 | i had to write vbscripts at my old job |
| 14:10.35 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 14:10.36 | og01 | but i was made to write apps in it for a while |
| 14:11.28 | og01 | i've not done much in other languages |
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| 14:11.53 | michaelnovakjr | the java approach is a bit different |
| 14:12.12 | og01 | michaelnovakjr: do go on |
| 14:12.51 | michaelnovakjr | the implementation is different, solving problems is different :) |
| 14:13.08 | michaelnovakjr | especially from c, and i'd event say cpp |
| 14:13.13 | michaelnovakjr | even* |
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| 14:14.05 | og01 | michaelnovakjr: im doing ok it feels familiar, yet i have alot to learn |
| 14:14.19 | og01 | it will be a while until im comfortable |
| 14:14.26 | michaelnovakjr | totally :) |
| 14:14.33 | michaelnovakjr | are you using a book or online resources? |
| 14:15.10 | og01 | online |
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| 14:15.25 | michaelnovakjr | you should look at the book Effective Java |
| 14:16.10 | og01 | so far i've done a few tutorials and looked through the docs that come with the api |
| 14:16.21 | og01 | i may have a look |
| 14:16.40 | michaelnovakjr | :) javadoc is good, but if you don't know the language they can certainly be confusing |
| 14:17.18 | michaelnovakjr | java programming concepts are a good place to start |
| 14:17.54 | og01 | i'll take a look tonight |
| 14:18.16 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 14:18.26 | og01 | it may be a better aprouch to look at java docs rather than android specific ones |
| 14:18.40 | og01 | but i feel like im doing ok |
| 14:18.55 | og01 | just a few things so far i dont understand |
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| 14:19.16 | michaelnovakjr | program design in java is important... that's where programs have issues with speed and such |
| 14:19.34 | michaelnovakjr | that's with any language though :) |
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| 14:21.23 | og01 | the structure seems quite different i didnt know if that was more dont to the way things are done in the android platform or if it was just java :) |
| 14:21.34 | michaelnovakjr | java |
| 14:21.53 | og01 | the process life cycle is different also |
| 14:21.53 | michaelnovakjr | android has an interesting application design though |
| 14:21.56 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 14:22.15 | michaelnovakjr | intents, providers, services... all very good things |
| 14:23.02 | og01 | i like it i think - but it means that devs need to be careful i guess |
| 14:23.31 | michaelnovakjr | as always :) |
| 14:24.33 | og01 | right need to get on with some work |
| 14:24.53 | og01 | (and my thumbs are aching) |
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| 14:25.20 | og01 | i'll idle here though |
| 14:25.49 | og01 | michaelnovakjr: thanks for the help! |
| 14:25.59 | michaelnovakjr | no problem |
| 14:26.09 | Laz | where is the busybox compiled for android? I saw it yesterday now can't find it... |
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| 14:30.58 | Disconnect | Laz: its on the first page of googling 'android busybox' :) |
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| 14:31.15 | Disconnect | wants dropbear instead |
| 14:31.35 | Disconnect | but it looks like i either need to free space on my laptop or buy ram for my fileserver before i can finish building the sources. |
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| 14:33.27 | Laz | thanks now i can roam free with root :) |
| 14:34.11 | Disconnect | do the install in /data (as they say) then cp -a it into /system/busybox. (suid works in /system) |
| 14:34.58 | Laz | never thought we would have root :P |
| 14:35.19 | michaelnovakjr | Laz: i wouldn't get excited about it... aren't they going to patch that? |
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| 14:35.54 | thoraxe | hmm... is there anywhere for info about flash coming to android or not? |
| 14:35.59 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: hide the ota keys and its fine. i haven't tested it but i'd bet dd will allows you to reflash the phone yourself.. |
| 14:36.18 | Laz | just dont update michaelnovakjr |
| 14:36.20 | michaelnovakjr | eh, not too interested in flashing though :) |
| 14:36.25 | michaelnovakjr | i'd rather take the updates :) |
| 14:36.36 | Disconnect | it certainly works on other embedded linux boxes - quiesce the mtd layer and dd in your own ver (with whatever patches or updates you like.. or their ver, with the root hole reopened) |
| 14:37.08 | AxeFestis | man, I want g1 to come to sweden |
| 14:37.31 | d0nets | i want to come to sweden |
| 14:37.34 | d0nets | and run from the police |
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| 14:38.03 | blau | hey guys |
| 14:38.11 | blau | anyone try using the keyguard manager? |
| 14:38.22 | d0nets | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNAt7wz5NQ0 |
| 14:38.24 | d0nets | that looks fun |
| 14:39.10 | d0nets | thats not the same one i saw yesterday though |
| 14:40.39 | AxeFestis | nice, should try out that some time ;) |
| 14:40.41 | bloo | im a newbie |
| 14:40.44 | Tauno_ | anyone knows what's the easiest way to get the same text appearance in a custom View as R.style.TextAppearance_Large? |
| 14:48.12 | bloo | this is probably awful, btu create a view object, set its style to that and then set your views font, size, etc to match |
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| 14:50.13 | bloo | but at least it should work till you figure out the best way |
| 14:50.24 | bloo | theres probably something like findstylebyid or something |
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| 15:02.11 | michaelnovakjr | Tauno_: are you extending an existing view? |
| 15:02.57 | Tauno_ | nope |
| 15:03.20 | michaelnovakjr | then you'll have to implement it, did you take a look at the android source? |
| 15:03.27 | Tauno_ | right now I just took the implementation from TextView that deals with setting text appearance |
| 15:03.42 | Tauno_ | just owndering if there's an easier way ;) |
| 15:03.59 | michaelnovakjr | you could extend the TextView if your custom view is similiar |
| 15:04.13 | Tauno_ | not really :/ |
| 15:04.37 | tomgibara | Tauno_: style="@android:style/TextAppearance.Large" |
| 15:05.17 | michaelnovakjr | ^^ yea that's it :) |
| 15:06.27 | bloo | i think the keyguardlock is broken |
| 15:06.53 | bloo | because apparently the alarm built into android uses it, but it doesnt get disabled |
| 15:07.56 | Tauno_ | tomgibara, and then? :) |
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| 15:10.28 | unix_lappy | wonders how many screwed up G1's well be seeing in the coming days due to script kiddies trying to jailbreak... |
| 15:10.48 | michaelnovakjr | what's the neeb to jailbreak it? |
| 15:10.51 | tomgibara | Tauno_: If you want to do it programmatically then doing what you are already doing should be fine (setting R.style.TextAppearance_Large via TextView.setTextAppearance()). |
| 15:10.58 | michaelnovakjr | that's what i don't understand |
| 15:11.15 | tomgibara | Tauno_: Are you trying to avoid using a text view? |
| 15:11.18 | Chainfire | could someone explain to me how the root thing works? as I understand it, you use some terminal app from market, which already runs at root... so apps are already able to be root? |
| 15:11.25 | michaelnovakjr | tomgibara: he's using a Custom view |
| 15:12.00 | tomgibara | If I want to display text in a custom view, I create a custom ViewGroup and add a TextView to it, or I extend TextView. |
| 15:12.23 | tomgibara | (I've never actually had to do the latter) |
| 15:12.28 | unix_lappy | there's no real need to do it....right the hell now (imho) unless you need some lower level debuggin done. |
| 15:12.43 | Tauno_ | tomgibara, yeah.. I'm just extending a view and I don't want to use TextViews etc in there |
| 15:12.52 | michaelnovakjr | and even then unix_lappy why |
| 15:13.11 | unix_lappy | for the average user you'll get a nice packaged app to jailbreak to install the apps you want |
| 15:13.12 | michaelnovakjr | instead of writing apps all we have are people looking to hack it |
| 15:13.48 | unix_lappy | michaelnovakjr: plenty of people are writing apps.... |
| 15:13.57 | unix_lappy | ...just waiting to be able to sell them, of course. |
| 15:13.58 | michaelnovakjr | good apps? :) |
| 15:14.19 | michaelnovakjr | i'm planning on NOT paying for apps, and instead writing free competitors |
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| 15:14.37 | d0nets | im trying to write a free guitar tuner |
| 15:14.56 | d0nets | and i might charge .99 in 2009 for a pro with a piano tuner and metronome and chords and such |
| 15:15.05 | Chainfire | michaelnovakjr> free time / hobby or you have some other way to get paid? :) |
| 15:15.35 | Disconnect | d0nets: you're trying to convince someone -else- to write a free guitar tuner.. thats different :) |
| 15:15.38 | d0nets | im just a broke college kid who needs a guitar tuner |
| 15:15.40 | d0nets | right |
| 15:15.45 | d0nets | i am newb |
| 15:15.57 | d0nets | but i have a couple helpers |
| 15:16.08 | bloo | i made 3.58$ from donations so far! |
| 15:16.09 | tomgibara | Tauno_: Then take a look at http://android.git.kernel.org/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=blob;f=core/java/android/widget/TextView.java (starting line 1229) |
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| 15:16.14 | d0nets | im more like a PHB as someone pointed out |
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| 15:16.44 | michaelnovakjr | Chainfire: i have a job :) |
| 15:16.56 | Tauno_ | [17:03]<Tauno_>right now I just took the implementation from TextView that deals with setting text appearance |
| 15:16.56 | tomgibara | You need to do something similar to extract the text appearance, I wouldn't bother unless you really need to avoid the cost of a TextView. |
| 15:16.57 | Tauno_ | [17:03]<Tauno_>just owndering if there's an easier way ;) |
| 15:17.05 | Tauno_ | tomgibara ;) |
| 15:17.06 | michaelnovakjr | but if Google goes through the trouble of giving android source away, i don't see why everyone can't |
| 15:17.17 | michaelnovakjr | bloo: what did you write? |
| 15:17.23 | Chainfire | cause some people want to eat too |
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| 15:17.32 | bloo | because google has a million other ways to make money off android |
| 15:17.34 | tomgibara | Tauno_: gah sorry - no, I'm pretty there's no easier way |
| 15:17.49 | michaelnovakjr | so why don't they go write for the iPhone |
| 15:17.50 | bloo | i made dgMoney, an expense tracker/check register/etc.. |
| 15:17.58 | michaelnovakjr | its all about money there : |
| 15:18.12 | bloo | iphone development sucks |
| 15:18.13 | Chainfire | cause Apple doesn't like developers :) |
| 15:18.21 | michaelnovakjr | Chainfire: i haven't had any problem with them |
| 15:18.23 | Chainfire | and you cant do anything worth developing on it |
| 15:18.28 | michaelnovakjr | sue you can |
| 15:18.36 | Chainfire | not the things I wanted to :) |
| 15:18.55 | bloo | i just dont want to use the iphone |
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| 15:19.00 | bloo | why develop for something im not gonna use |
| 15:19.33 | michaelnovakjr | i have an iPhone and a G1, they both have their uses |
| 15:20.11 | bloo | i need a real keyboard |
| 15:20.42 | bloo | and hard buttons |
| 15:20.46 | michaelnovakjr | eh |
| 15:20.57 | bloo | hmmm |
| 15:22.13 | bloo | im so miffed at the stupid broken keyguard manager |
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| 15:22.36 | bloo | i was dieing to make something that would turn the screen on and display text messages and emails as they came in |
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| 15:26.17 | jbq | bloo: sounds like an interesting idea, especially if you make it generic (i.e. allow any application to display information there). |
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| 15:27.08 | bloo | jbq, good idea |
| 15:27.19 | bloo | but somethign with the keyguard is broken |
| 15:27.49 | jbq | The challenge with the lock screen is that it's not an activity, not an application, and therefore it lives somewhat outside of the android world. |
| 15:28.07 | unix_lappy | bloo: keyguard manager? |
| 15:28.09 | bloo | jbq, look at keyguardmanager docs |
| 15:28.27 | bloo | maybe im completely off base but it looks like that allows control of the lock screen |
| 15:29.05 | bloo | and keyguardlock too |
| 15:29.09 | jbq | I'm not actually familiar with the details of that code, just bits of conversation I've heard in the hallways. |
| 15:29.17 | bloo | http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/app/KeyguardManager.KeyguardLock.html |
| 15:29.52 | bloo | i even found references to it in the code for the Alarm |
| 15:31.30 | bloo | http://review.source.android.com/1547/diff/1/z4f4a56c538038c45a29806505c970e6bff7e4f97 |
| 15:33.14 | blount | bloo: uuh, you should be able to wake the fone and disable the keyguard no problem |
| 15:33.17 | unix_lappy | anyone know of documented instructions for building android for the HTC Vogue? |
| 15:33.38 | blount | the only downside is you'll be burning more battery |
| 15:33.45 | blount | but that's your tradeoff :-) |
| 15:34.07 | bloo | blount: any idea how? |
| 15:34.14 | blount | go read the alarmclock source |
| 15:34.17 | Dialekt | skype out yet? |
| 15:34.31 | bloo | my alarmclock only wakes the phone |
| 15:34.35 | bloo | doesnt disable keyguard |
| 15:34.41 | jbq | scrolls back, realizes that bloo is interested in disabling the keyguard, not modifying it, and apologizes for the confusion. |
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| 15:35.33 | bloo | someone, maybe me, needs to fix the date and time pickers to select all on focus |
| 15:35.58 | Tauno | Dialekt, ? |
| 15:36.05 | bloo | does anyone else agree thats its so fucking abyssmal to have to delete whats there to type, maybe 2 characters |
| 15:36.09 | Dialekt | is there skye for g1 |
| 15:36.10 | Dialekt | droid |
| 15:36.11 | Dialekt | ? |
| 15:36.14 | Dialekt | skype |
| 15:36.24 | Tauno | I heard that iSkoot is but i don't know for sure.. can't install it since I doon't have a G1 :P |
| 15:37.03 | blount | bloo: you're sure that it doesn't disable keyguard? |
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| 15:37.18 | bloo | oh thats weird |
| 15:37.31 | bloo | i guess the g1 keyguard stuff is different from emulator |
| 15:37.42 | vol | iSkoot claims that it does, haven't tried it. |
| 15:37.49 | bloo | the alarm on my actual phone does disable the keyguard |
| 15:38.08 | blount | I'll test on emulator as well -- hang on |
| 15:44.15 | bloo | gotta head out |
| 15:44.18 | bloo | ill be back in a bit |
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| 15:50.21 | tmccrary | hooray! http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/11/05/1436224 |
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| 15:50.47 | tmccrary | it's like vjday for android, freedom has arrived! |
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| 15:52.16 | vol | uh |
| 15:52.22 | vol | you are not 0 day : ( |
| 15:52.23 | vol | sorry |
| 15:52.23 | Disconnect | tmccrary: that happened yesterday. (earlier, actually. still kicking myself for seeing prelim reports and going "thats never gonna work on a retail device, there's now way they are that dumb) |
| 15:53.13 | tmccrary | I'm not 0 day.. I actually have things I do ;) |
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| 15:53.49 | michaelnovakjr | haha, that is until they patch that |
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| 15:55.49 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: again.. once its broken its going to be -very- difficult to patch. we can disable ota updates and flash by hand from userspace, which means (at least for my unit) anything i flash is gonna have a hole in it. |
| 15:56.14 | michaelnovakjr | sure, but you won't get updates |
| 15:56.29 | michaelnovakjr | or at least you'll have to build them with a patch that prevents the hole from being patched |
| 15:56.41 | Disconnect | although .. telnet? really? i stand by my opinion of the device security.. (who looked at the list of executables and thought "we'd better leave telnetd just in case"..??) |
| 15:56.55 | tmccrary | yeah, that's pretty odd |
| 15:56.55 | michaelnovakjr | seems like a lot of work for root access :) |
| 15:57.00 | tmccrary | for the most part, telnet should be banned |
| 15:57.03 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: the tmob updates are signed, not encrypted. they can be modified. |
| 15:57.27 | michaelnovakjr | i guess if you really want root access... |
| 15:57.29 | Disconnect | tmccrary: its pretty clear it was an early dev tool of some sort. (maybe for when adb just wasn't a reasonable option?) |
| 15:57.43 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: i really want vpn and backups, actually. same as i've been saying i really wanted from the beginning :) |
| 15:58.26 | michaelnovakjr | so if those things were provided by Google you wouldn't care about the root access? |
| 15:58.43 | tmccrary | yeah vpn will be awesome |
| 15:58.49 | tmccrary | that's the only thing I'm missing |
| 15:58.51 | michaelnovakjr | agreed |
| 15:58.57 | Disconnect | i'm not trusting google to rewrite a vpn in java.. |
| 15:59.11 | jbq | looks forward to seeing contributions |
| 15:59.14 | tmccrary | it doesn't make sense to write a custom vpn, and java is not a language for that anyway |
| 15:59.27 | tmccrary | vpn stuff is pretty lowlevel, its more systems programming than app programming |
| 15:59.35 | Disconnect | (for that matter, i'm not trusting anyone to rewrite it if i don't have to. better to take a more popular upstream app such as vpnc or openvpn and write a pretty gui wrapper around it. they are designed to do that anyway..) |
| 15:59.37 | michaelnovakjr | so who said Java? |
| 16:00.00 | tmccrary | Once tun support is in the kernel, porting and making openvpn work shouldn't be |
| 16:00.02 | tmccrary | tough |
| 16:00.27 | tmccrary | vpn will take the same route as webkit/web browsing |
| 16:00.36 | tmccrary | wrap an existing native solution |
| 16:00.41 | Disconnect | tmccrary: the fun libc will require some work, but the beauty is it shouldn't involve touching the security code. so minimize potential for 'oops' |
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| 16:01.45 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: also, replace email with k-9 (or just patch email to be working) .. etc. when i can actually control my device with what tmobile provides, i'll prolly not care so much. but thats not gonna happen anytime soon, so i'm not too worried about it. |
| 16:01.58 | michaelnovakjr | Disconnect: mail is being worked on |
| 16:02.19 | Disconnect | (not just picking on email, although its the largest pile on the preinstalled list, but the ability to remove/replace -any- app is important when storage is so limited) |
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| 16:03.06 | jbq | removing system apps kills your ability to do a factory reset, though. |
| 16:03.30 | jbq | (overriding them wouldn't, but it also wouldn't help on the storage front) |
| 16:04.06 | Disconnect | that monster recovery.img doesn't contain the .. recovery image? :) |
| 16:04.33 | jbq | It's actually tiny, and it just contains a minimal userspace to do recovery. |
| 16:05.11 | thoraxe | yes, vpn very important |
| 16:05.12 | thoraxe | and flash |
| 16:05.18 | thoraxe | and a flickr direct upload app |
| 16:05.27 | Disconnect | should get logged in again and check, somewhere i thought there was a 60-70 meg image |
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| 16:06.07 | jbq | IIRC it's somewhere between 1 and 2MB. system.img is the large one (tens of MB). |
| 16:06.33 | jbq | (that's why system.img is mounted read-only - so it can't be messed with) |
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| 16:22.40 | zhobbs | http://i35.tinypic.com/11iisz5.jpg <- I hope they don't cancel my account, I think I responded in time |
| 16:23.30 | michaelnovakjr | haha, they even put the beta after Gmail :) |
| 16:23.37 | cbeust | So lame |
| 16:23.44 | cbeust | A few people will fall for that unfortunately :( |
| 16:24.01 | michaelnovakjr | yea, its unfortunate |
| 16:25.17 | shackan | does android really use GTK? |
| 16:25.26 | shackan | romainguy: ^ |
| 16:25.53 | cbeust | No |
| 16:26.11 | cbeust | That article was completely inaccurate, if you are referring to what I think you are referring to |
| 16:26.24 | shackan | cbeust: I am, damn journalists |
| 16:26.30 | shackan | cbeust: thanks |
| 16:26.54 | cbeust | you forgot the quotes: damn "journalists" |
| 16:27.03 | zhobbs | hehe |
| 16:27.20 | Chainfire | "get off my lawn!" ? |
| 16:27.22 | shackan | indeed |
| 16:28.14 | shackan | I wonder what interests google has in gtk |
| 16:28.22 | Chainfire | i think DarkriftX just got slashdotted :) |
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| 16:28.41 | shackan | but anyway, twenty grands is peanuts for your company |
| 16:28.46 | cbeust | shackan: as far as Android is concerned, none |
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| 16:30.01 | shackan | cbeust: yeah, and neither of earth and (I suppose) picasa use it, and desktop search has a browser interface only, so.. |
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| 16:34.33 | keny | hello |
| 16:34.41 | vol | hello |
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| 16:40.57 | danfuzz | blort |
| 16:41.12 | cbeust | Exactly |
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| 16:44.31 | michaelnovakjr | shackan: why would android need Gtk? |
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| 16:45.00 | zhobbs | wow, DarkriftX is famous now |
| 16:45.00 | andyross | To port Gtk software, would be the obvious answer. Maybe some Maemo stuff might fit. |
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| 16:46.06 | rubyonlinux | morning |
| 16:46.26 | michaelnovakjr | andyross: but Gtk is unnecessary on android |
| 16:46.34 | michaelnovakjr | you can port apps without using Gtk |
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| 16:47.04 | shackan | michaelnovakjr: I was asking because some blogger with adhd got a job as a journalist and wrote it was the case |
| 16:47.05 | andyross | Well, yeah, by rewriting the GUI. That's more work. |
| 16:47.16 | vol | haha |
| 16:48.32 | michaelnovakjr | yea, like i said, unnecessary :) |
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| 16:49.05 | andyross | I wouldn't say "unnecessary" exactly. Note that Gtk+ has a bunch of features Android still lacks, like serious I18N text layout and accessibility support. I don't think it's insane. It's clearly not preferable to having those things in the core toolkit, but if you have an app that needs them... |
| 16:49.40 | Cedric2 | Sure, but there is still not much point in porting Gtk just to have these features (which we are working on, btw) |
| 16:49.41 | gdsx | GTK is huge. Also, Android doesn't use X |
| 16:49.47 | gdsx | "more trouble than it's worth" |
| 16:49.55 | gdsx | Cedric2: btw, http://ptrace.fefe.de/wtfm.jpg |
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| 16:50.09 | Cedric2 | gdsx: word |
| 16:50.17 | andyross | Gtk doesn't need X. But it is huge, granted. |
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| 16:50.48 | gdsx | andyross: it doesn't need X, true, but you'd still have to port it to Android's windowing system |
| 16:51.08 | andyross | Although "huge" in the same sense that webkit is huge. It's not something that wouldn't fit -- I had an arm build of it a few years back when I was working on a project that was intended to look something like android, actually. It was 3M as I remember. |
| 16:51.32 | gdsx | andyross: also I'm not sure that the "mental model" of GTK matches Android's |
| 16:51.58 | shackan | how good is android at internationalization? pango really shines there, but it's very heavy too |
| 16:52.03 | andyross | From the "View/GtkWidget" level down it does. There's nothing in Gtk that looks like an activity. |
| 16:52.14 | Cedric2 | Gtk is already sluggish on my desktop, I shiver at the idea of porting it on a mobile device |
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| 16:52.38 | shackan | Cedric2: my gtk internet tablet would like to have a chat with you |
| 16:52.40 | gdsx | Cedric2: I doubt you mean "GTK"; perhaps GNOME, though |
| 16:52.43 | andyross | I actually got as far as throwing dialogs up on a shared memory "window" server (looked a lot like the surface flinger, albeit without accelleration support) on my A780. Then the iPhone was announced and I gave up. |
| 16:53.15 | andyross | Cedric2: Gtk is sluggish on your desktop because of the immense complexity in the theme engine rendering. None of that would end up on the device. |
| 16:54.16 | michaelnovakjr | Cedric2: yes, the idea is pretty insane |
| 16:56.41 | gdsx | Cedric2: also, ftr, I've used GTK on two iPaqs, and it was fine |
| 16:57.08 | benley | I bet it was still ugly :) |
| 16:57.18 | Cedric2 | :) |
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| 16:58.15 | RyeBrye | GTK on mobile devices is fine and dandy, but the platform android has going for it is very nicely built and very nice to develop for IMO |
| 16:58.16 | gdsx | benley: low blow (and no, not all GTK themes are ugly) |
| 16:58.46 | michaelnovakjr | I use GTK and like programmign it |
| 16:59.01 | michaelnovakjr | but on the desktop, as far as android.... i think they have a very nice system |
| 16:59.02 | andyross | Sigh. As the KDE vs. Gnome fanbooi wars enter their second decade, they're getting even more pathetic. |
| 16:59.04 | RyeBrye | Oh, wait... I was thinking Qt :) |
| 16:59.16 | RyeBrye | was up WAY too late if he's mixing Qt and GTK in his head :) |
| 17:00.07 | andyross | michaelnovakjr: It's not an either or thing. There's nothing insane about a non-native toolkit. The fact that you wouldn't design a device from scratch using it doesn't say much about whether software based on it would be useful to actual users. What you're making amounts to a purity argument. |
| 17:01.01 | michaelnovakjr | eh, i mean i wouldn't be against it, but i probably wouldn't use it |
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| 17:02.11 | andyross | For new software, certainly not. But again, I suspect the use case here would be to take advantage of pre-existing code, probably from Maemo. Or even script integration: writing for android in a script (shameless plug: nasal has a gtk library: http://plausible.org/nasal) would be pretty cool, but not currently supported. |
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| 17:02.40 | bloo | got the low space warning already :( |
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| 17:04.08 | gdsx | andyross: I'm pretty confident folks will get that stuff going when there's an approved JNI method and interpreters are ported over (and quite possibly sooner) |
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| 17:05.39 | andyross | The existing hacky JNI mechanism works just great, though. Not much of a barrier. |
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| 17:07.07 | og01 | can anybody from google tell me if the other chat protocols will be included in the next update to g1 in the uk? |
| 17:07.13 | gdsx | andyross: except that apps using it likely will break when folks get an update with the new JNI stuff |
| 17:07.30 | gdsx | andyross: so it might not be a big problem for the developer, but the users will suffer |
| 17:07.58 | andyross | Well, but only in a trivial way, if that (the current mechanism just relies on System.load() working for arbitrary file paths). One update to fix it. There aren't any API-visible changes. |
| 17:08.48 | gdsx | andyross: as I said, it might not be a big problem for the developer, but the users will (likely) suffer |
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| 17:09.24 | gdsx | andyross: what I imagine is that someone gets an update, says "wow, this update just broke my apps", and complains to us or to T-Mobile |
| 17:09.30 | andyross | Only if the update breaks the preexisting mechanism, which is possible but IMHO kinda unlikely (what would they remove, and why bother when JNI is now supported?) |
| 17:10.37 | andyross | I guess my real point is that while I buy that google doens't want folks running around using unsupported APIs, there's a big benefit to users to having native apps earlier rather than later, and a *huge* benefit to developers getting an early jump on the procss. |
| 17:12.13 | bloo | google guys are here? |
| 17:12.15 | bloo | neato |
| 17:12.19 | gdsx | bloo: hi |
| 17:12.29 | Cedric2 | andyross: a few apps do that (Quake) and it's pretty easy to figure out, but the odds of such apps breaking as we release new OTA's are high |
| 17:12.41 | bloo | i missed the developer contest, can I have some dough? |
| 17:12.50 | bloo | someone donated $4 to me already, but i'd like a few grand |
| 17:12.54 | Cedric2 | bloo: Sure, what's your bank account number? |
| 17:12.55 | gdsx | bloo: the bakery's that way ------> |
| 17:12.59 | Chainfire | isnt there a new dev contest next year? |
| 17:13.36 | Disconnect | for everyone who was blaming crappy 3rd-party adapters for my music player troubles... http://store.androidcommunity.com/content/accessories/11-176--3571.htm is what i got and you can blow me cuz its from htc :) still doesn't work tho :( |
| 17:13.53 | keny | great, just read the news about G1 users getting root access. i hope that means getting google's android on the phone (instead of HTC's locked-down-android) |
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| 17:14.16 | Cedric2 | keny: getting root access is very different from porting Android on arbitrary hardware :) |
| 17:14.17 | bloo | how is htc's android locked down? |
| 17:14.43 | Disconnect | (didn't get it there tho, cuz i'm not gonna support stores that list every mobile accessory under the sun - including incompatible ones - as being "<Foo> for the t-mobile g1!".. as if it were part of the name..) |
| 17:14.56 | Disconnect | Cedric2: ..what arbitrary hardware? |
| 17:15.03 | bloo | and anyone notice performance issues with the sms app? |
| 17:15.05 | keny | Cedric2, i know, but i thought the default android branch already supports the G1's hardware |
| 17:15.19 | andyross | bloo: The official answer is by isolating user-programmable feature into non-root user accounts with fairly strict filesystem privileges. The real answer turns out be be something closer to "not" |
| 17:15.20 | gdsx | bloo: do you have a more specific description? |
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| 17:16.18 | bloo | gdsx: its not as snappy as other software, pressing the back button while in a conversation takes like 2 seconds to go back to the list of conversations |
| 17:16.18 | Disconnect | bloo: tmob android is locked down so that you can't do backups or write vpns, etc.. but you -can- run a root telnetd that lets anyone on the network in to destroy your device. its neat. |
| 17:16.53 | bloo | clicking someones name takes like 2 seconds to pop up the actual conversation, i frequently get "messaging not responding" popups |
| 17:17.19 | bloo | scrolling the list of all conversations is choppy |
| 17:17.20 | Cedric2 | bloo: are you saying you get frequent Application Not Responding from the SMS app?!? |
| 17:17.30 | bloo | cedric: correct |
| 17:17.37 | Disconnect | just ooc how many conversations? |
| 17:17.41 | Cedric2 | First time I hear that |
| 17:17.48 | Chainfire | seems like for what apps can and cannot do, HTC/T-Mobile Android is much more limited than WM out-of-the-box then |
| 17:18.06 | gdsx | Chainfire: how so? |
| 17:18.13 | Disconnect | Chainfire: yep |
| 17:18.23 | bloo | only 8 convos, i thought the issues might be because i have like 1000+ texts in a single convo, but i deleted all of those and still have issues |
| 17:18.39 | Disconnect | gdsx: ..backup/restore functionality is kind of a core feature of smartphones. except this one of course.. |
| 17:18.53 | gdsx | bloo: ok, yeah, I have heard of issues with lots of SMSes |
| 17:18.56 | michaelnovakjr | i wrote an sms app a while back for the sdk |
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| 17:19.00 | gdsx | bloo: I believe this is a known bug |
| 17:19.03 | Chainfire | gdsx> what Disconnect says |
| 17:19.06 | keny | i don't have a G1 to check, unfortunately, but i heard the application frameworks functionality of replacing the core applications is gone in the G1. |
| 17:19.07 | Disconnect | (and apps can be created to do it outside the apps shipped with WM/iPhone/etc - eg sync all data to/from the network, etc..) |
| 17:19.10 | keny | or is it not gone? |
| 17:19.14 | bloo | then i thought maybe the texts are kept in a database and since its sqlite, the space was vacuumed? |
| 17:19.20 | bloo | wasnt |
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| 17:19.37 | Disconnect | kennyz: its gone but thats pretty standard. try replacing IE on a wm phone.. you can install new versions, or alternate apps, but i don't believe you can remove IE itself.. |
| 17:19.41 | dd94300 | i am planning to use following URL for weather data'http://www.google.com/ig/api?weather=' which gives only 3 days weather forecast....is there any other API which gives 7 days.......does anybody know any URL? thanks |
| 17:19.58 | gdsx | bloo: I'm not sure if there's a fix/workaround at the moment |
| 17:20.02 | benley | yet another weather app? |
| 17:20.07 | gdsx | dd94300: you could probably scrape various places pretty easily |
| 17:20.08 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 17:20.13 | keny | Disconnect, that's why android was meant to be different. I dont want a locked-down phone. |
| 17:20.21 | michaelnovakjr | benley: we can file that with all the stupid tip calculators |
| 17:20.26 | bloo | gdsx: oh thats fine, as long as its a known issue and im not screwing something up on my own i dont really care |
| 17:20.34 | Chainfire | keny> but the G1 _is_ locked down like that |
| 17:20.43 | Disconnect | keny: then you'd best get an openmoko device. or help port it to some other platform. cuz the htc dream is a locked down platform, much worse than most others.. |
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| 17:20.49 | bloo | i had thought i broke my browser because everytime i tried to install an APK from the browser it kept crashing the installer |
| 17:20.59 | keny | Chainfire, yeah exactly, thats what im saying |
| 17:21.03 | Chainfire | ah ok |
| 17:21.12 | bloo | turns out for some reason the INSTALL_SHORTCUT permission causes the installer to crash if its launched from the browser, any idea about htat? |
| 17:21.15 | keny | (or what im trying to say) |
| 17:21.32 | Disconnect | fwiw as tmob devices go its not too bad. but thats cuz tmob locks down phones so much that they are effectively unusable (3rd party apps - j2me and the like - can't get net access, for example..) |
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| 17:21.42 | keny | Disconnect, yeah, im basically waiting for android to get ported to some other cool smartphone. I like android. Not the G1. |
| 17:22.18 | bloo | g1 is like a more powerful sidekick |
| 17:22.25 | michaelnovakjr | i like the G1, its been great so far |
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| 17:22.27 | bloo | which is a good idea for tmobile to have |
| 17:22.29 | RyeBrye | Disconnect - I've had tmobile phones with j2me that got net access before... btu thery were blackberrys |
| 17:22.43 | bloo | id like a centro styled android phone |
| 17:23.18 | gdsx | keny: so, are there specific features you'd like? (I'll note that the ability to replace certain core apps is something we're thinking about) |
| 17:23.23 | keny | well the G1 is great, sure. I was thinking about getting one. But one _my_ requirements for a smartphone is having great functionality and being able to replace it for the most part |
| 17:23.28 | andyross | My wife has a centro and is in love with my G1. Stuff like this is just too personal. |
| 17:23.38 | keny | one of* |
| 17:23.55 | keny | gdsx: you mean for the G1 ? or for android? or for htc-android ? |
| 17:24.10 | gdsx | keny: first off, what do you mean by htc-android? |
| 17:24.12 | unix_lappy | andyross: personal? |
| 17:24.32 | unix_lappy | keny: replace your iphone? |
| 17:24.44 | andyross | Personal taste. Like wanting an android phone without a slideout keyboard ("centro styled"), even if that means a smaller screen and much smaller key spacing. |
| 17:24.45 | keny | i mean HTC's modification of google's android. I thought htc locked it down |
| 17:24.49 | Disconnect | gdsx: ignoring the fact that google apps get apis and such the rest of us don't.. how about the ability to apply signed/clean/whatever updates to core apps? so google could release a new email apk (instead of making us wait for tmob to bother doing another update) or a quick patch to stop browser from eating app space... |
| 17:25.27 | gdsx | keny: I think you're hearing too much FUD on the internet. production phones _do_ have a bootloader that only flashes signed images, yes |
| 17:25.32 | dd94300 | benley: it is not only a weather app, it is going to be embedded into another app, i thought if i can get the URL quickly so i can start coding right away..... |
| 17:25.50 | andyross | Disconnect: to be fair, source availability means that we *do* have access to those APIs. On balance, it's much better to have source than docs. |
| 17:25.53 | gdsx | Disconnect: in the pipeline |
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| 17:26.26 | Disconnect | andyross: i thought they were security locked. otherwise what is keeping anyone (eg slideme) from doing the app-installer magic that marketplace does? |
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| 17:26.34 | BluesLee | hi, some freerunner android users here? |
| 17:26.38 | gdsx | Disconnect: and we're trying to either publicize APIs, or have core apps stop using them |
| 17:26.41 | keny | gdsx, yeah, im not surprised about me hearing too much FUD, its the internet after all |
| 17:26.57 | gdsx | Disconnect: the permissions system |
| 17:27.09 | andyross | The installd is there, and you can use it the same way the installer does, no? It's just listening on a socket. Or are you asking for the ability to reflash the device, which it's true you don't have. But that's not an issue of API exposure. |
| 17:27.24 | Disconnect | gdsx: yah i know. the disclaimer was because that idea goes the other way and creates new private capabilities.. |
| 17:28.28 | gdsx | keny: so, continuing, other than the replace-core-apps thing, are there other features you wished Android or the G1 had? |
| 17:28.29 | SanMehat | morning |
| 17:28.37 | gdsx | SanMehat: hey |
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| 17:28.44 | tmccrary | Hey SanMehat! |
| 17:28.47 | SanMehat | hola :) |
| 17:28.53 | Disconnect | andyross: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/msg/71f14048eec1c8df?pli=1 |
| 17:28.53 | SanMehat | <-- Now Married |
| 17:29.03 | tmccrary | awesome |
| 17:29.05 | Disconnect | cool congrats :) |
| 17:29.20 | SanMehat | thanks.. those roofie-coladas did the trick! |
| 17:29.34 | unix_lappy | heh. |
| 17:29.35 | Cedric2 | Disconnect: we tried to keep the number of our apps that use private API's to a minimum, most of them use public Google APIs |
| 17:30.01 | Disconnect | Cedric2: i'm not arguing that.. i just brought it up in the context of "this is a step backwards in the api/permissions thing, but.." |
| 17:30.06 | romainguy__ | SanMehat: \o/ |
| 17:30.20 | Cedric2 | Grats San! |
| 17:30.33 | andyross | Right right, that's the party line. But my question was technical: I don't see anything in the implementation that prevents you from hitting the installd socket just like the market app does. Maybe there is, I dunno. |
| 17:30.52 | keny | gdsx, being able to replace more stuff (deeper into the platform's layers) maybe? For me it's all about having freedom to change almost everything. |
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| 17:31.22 | RyeBrye | Like... making the home screen have a better way to organize the shitload of applications I have? |
| 17:31.30 | keny | gdsx, maybe being able to flash self-compiled images of android. Pretty much the way i can replace my linux kernel |
| 17:31.31 | bloo | my only big gripe about the g1 is that i want the screen to come up when I get a SMS |
| 17:31.33 | gdsx | RyeBrye: you can replace home... |
| 17:31.34 | romainguy__ | go ahead, make a new one RyeBrye |
| 17:31.35 | bloo | but im working on that so :) |
| 17:31.42 | RyeBrye | goes and makes a new home |
| 17:31.45 | RyeBrye | :) |
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| 17:32.15 | mattgyver83 | Is it there a way to set a device name when you setup static IP address? |
| 17:32.31 | romainguy__ | RyeBrye: for what it's worth, I already implemented something that's gonna help in the next version of Home |
| 17:32.56 | RyeBrye | romainguy - good :) |
| 17:33.01 | RyeBrye | trusts romainguy's skillzz |
| 17:33.02 | gdsx | romainguy__: what are you talking about? there is no next version of Home. Android 1.0 is the end of the line |
| 17:33.03 | romainguy__ | RyeBrye: and in the current Home, remember you can type to filter the list of installed apps |
| 17:33.05 | keny | gdsx, having that, i think the possibilities are endless. i. e. up to the developers. Having a bootloader for being able to double boot would be fine, too, if that makes sense for a smartphone some time from now |
| 17:33.07 | unix_lappy | RyeBrye: would be nice to see a slide out panes with icons that denote categories.... |
| 17:33.12 | Cedric2 | Making a new Home is very easy, just ask Romain |
| 17:33.15 | d0nets | high ryebrye |
| 17:33.25 | Disconnect | RyeBrye: include widgets support :) (hmm. maybe teeny-tiny webviews with an aggressive cache, ala osx dashboard) |
| 17:33.28 | unix_lappy | would be ugly, but that's just off the top of my head. |
| 17:33.37 | romainguy__ | Cedric2: beware or I'll convince the boss to make you do the next Home :p |
| 17:33.41 | bloo | we cant make widgets now? |
| 17:33.43 | Chainfire | gdsx> is it not possible to install a second certificate to get the permissions you normally would not have access to? |
| 17:33.51 | bloo | ok that explains why i couldnt find jack shit about how to make a desktop widget |
| 17:33.54 | bloo | i thought i was an idiot |
| 17:33.56 | romainguy__ | Disconnect: webviews are currently not the way to go |
| 17:34.00 | bloo | i may still be |
| 17:34.00 | gdsx | Chainfire: I don't know; romainguy__ might |
| 17:34.03 | romainguy__ | bloo: no you can't |
| 17:34.08 | RyeBrye | Guys guys guys... all these feature requests... I'm just goign to make a simple replacement "home" that says "Hello Android" and call it good |
| 17:34.11 | Disconnect | bloo: possible but yah, no widgets |
| 17:35.06 | bloo | anyone got any suggestions for my sms receiver that turns on the screen and displays your sms when you get one? |
| 17:35.16 | Chainfire | well then, same question to you romainguy__ - is it possible to install a second certificate that allows for full access? (just asking this because this is how you get WM to do stuff it doesn't want you to) |
| 17:35.41 | unix_lappy | Man do I need to start eating breakfast... |
| 17:35.59 | Disconnect | bloo: erm, doesn't it light up already when an sms comes in, if notifications are on? |
| 17:36.02 | romainguy__ | Chainfire: a second certificate? what certificate? |
| 17:36.14 | bloo | disc, mine doesnt |
| 17:36.23 | bloo | maaybe i have an option turned off? |
| 17:36.31 | RyeBrye | Chainfire - you mean flashing a new image? |
| 17:36.31 | bloo | i get the status bar notification, itll vibrate and beep |
| 17:36.39 | Chainfire | "Yes, these APIs are not in the SDK, but even if they |
| 17:36.39 | Chainfire | were, you couldn't use them because they are protected by a permission |
| 17:36.39 | Chainfire | that you can only have granted to you if you are signed with the same |
| 17:36.39 | Chainfire | certificate as the core platform code. |
| 17:36.49 | Chainfire | - sorry for bad paste. |
| 17:37.03 | mattgyver83 | what ports does android use to download from the market? I cant download with my firewall on. |
| 17:37.29 | bloo | matt, id assume 80 since cant you just download directy from the market via http? |
| 17:37.57 | andyross | You have a restrictive firewall, yet no ability to see outgoing connection attempts? Tsk tsk tsk. :) |
| 17:37.59 | bloo | i remember seeing a suggestion in some of the google docs for updating, telling you to use some http:// .... /<your app id> |
| 17:38.00 | gdsx | Chainfire: oh, no |
| 17:38.17 | RyeBrye | Chainfire - that's interesting. Which apps does google have that use that? |
| 17:38.29 | andyross | firmly believes that if you're going to do the nazi admin thing, you need to go all-in. No halfsies. |
| 17:38.32 | RyeBrye | i.e which apps use the private APIs that check the apk's signing key? |
| 17:38.32 | Chainfire | RyeBrye> Android Market |
| 17:38.40 | gdsx | Chainfire: yeah, SSL certificates aren't shared |
| 17:38.54 | RyeBrye | Hmm... does it verify that against the otakeys.zip? |
| 17:39.36 | Chainfire | ok so no trickery like signing with your own cert and then injecting that into 'trusted certs collection' |
| 17:40.07 | Chainfire | thats too bad. |
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| 17:41.13 | Chainfire | and i assume the telnetd root hack will soon be patched? :) |
| 17:41.43 | keny | gdsx, btw i did not mention something obvious but important -- getting many other smartphones supported by android. But i guess that's up to the phone makers/providers, unless someone hacks+ports android to every phone one by one? |
| 17:42.16 | gdsx | keny: well, there will be future Android handsets, undoubtedly. And folks are working on various current handsets |
| 17:42.37 | keny | im always happy to hear that :) |
| 17:42.39 | romainguy__ | Chainfire: no you cannot be signed with the platform key to access everything |
| 17:42.58 | gdsx | keny: just to be clear, by "folks" I meant "folks external to Google" |
| 17:43.16 | gdsx | keny: like xda-forums (iirc) |
| 17:43.23 | keny | gdsx, yes, i have already seen some activity on xda-developers |
| 17:43.25 | keny | yep |
| 17:43.37 | Chainfire | well it would be nice if Google gave us a hand there... :) |
| 17:43.48 | gdsx | Chainfire: in what way? |
| 17:43.56 | Chainfire | porting Android to those devices |
| 17:44.04 | Disconnect | ..lol. |
| 17:44.05 | gdsx | Chainfire: "haha" |
| 17:44.27 | Disconnect | Chainfire: can you give me a hand moving this weekend? i'll be at the bar, you just make sure all my stuff gets packed up and moved undamaged.. |
| 17:44.39 | keny | gdsx, maybe you could clarify some "FUD" to me? i mean, if you are able to gain root to the G1 (which you presumably can right now), would you be able to install a custom android build from google's git repositories and have a completely free phone? |
| 17:44.41 | gdsx | we have plenty of stuff to work on already. Thanks for the offer, though :o) |
| 17:44.41 | BHSPitWeb | It sure would be nice if Google helped with those "ports for existing phones" |
| 17:44.43 | andyross | Seems like a buildable source tree might count as "assistence" in porting, no? |
| 17:45.09 | BHSPitWeb | files a "Please port to my phone" ticket for Android source |
| 17:45.26 | gdsx | BHSPitWeb: we've had worse (that is, "more hilarious") tickets |
| 17:45.42 | unix_lappy | as opposed to making the platforms better by leaps and bounds for...everyone? |
| 17:45.46 | andyross | keny: Not sure if anyone has tried yet, but I have to believe reflash toolkits are around the corner that allow you to build a custom system. |
| 17:45.50 | BHSPitWeb | or at least, include a makefile option for omap-850 |
| 17:45.54 | BHSPitWeb | :) |
| 17:45.54 | gdsx | keny: TBH, I don't know |
| 17:46.03 | romainguy__ | Chainfire: giving away all the source code is not giving you a hand already? :) |
| 17:46.06 | romainguy__ | keby: being root doesn't give you access to flashing the device, so no |
| 17:46.21 | Chainfire | romainguy__ well if you add being allowed to do whatever I want to the device, we'll call it even? |
| 17:46.24 | andyross | No? Heh, that's a good trick. The driver locks it down? Certainly some of the flash blocks are writable. |
| 17:46.25 | keny | gdsx, yes, what i mean is that - assuming you're able to - you'd get a completely free phone right? |
| 17:47.02 | wastrel | source code |
| 17:47.12 | andyross | Depends on "free" too. Note that the completely free phone would come with a 2 year contract with T-Mobile. :) |
| 17:47.23 | keny | hehe. free as in "libre" |
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| 17:47.36 | Disconnect | keny: no. bootloader. firmware drivers. gsm code (istr its a separate cpu in this design?) ... |
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| 17:47.57 | romainguy__ | even the OpenMoko/FreeRunner uses a proprietary radio right? |
| 17:48.05 | andyross | Right. A required contract isn't "libre" for many definitions of the term. I'm just playing a semantic game: the FSF notion of "free" and the "gratis" notion of "free" aren't even the only two definitions out there. |
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| 17:48.24 | Disconnect | waits for someone to say "free human" again |
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| 17:48.40 | kRutOn | free mitnick |
| 17:48.43 | danfuzz | free hat! |
| 17:48.47 | andyross | And yeah, there's no hope of free software for the baseband CPU or DSPs either. |
| 17:48.50 | Chainfire | isnt mitnick out by now? |
| 17:49.01 | zhobbs | how can you get your phone's IP address? |
| 17:49.21 | neerhaj | zhobbs : netstat in pTerminal |
| 17:50.11 | poetic_folly|G5 | well hello BHSPitWeb |
| 17:50.15 | zhobbs | neerhaj: thanks |
| 17:50.22 | gdsx | keny: well, not if you want to use the radio, no |
| 17:50.53 | romainguy__ | gdsx: speaking of weird bug reports: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1199 |
| 17:51.12 | gdsx | keny: for the version of the tree that's actually installable on dream, the RIL is still just a binary blob |
| 17:51.23 | Disconnect | zhobbs: click your wifi connection. it'll tell you. |
| 17:51.23 | keny | gdsx, because of the device drivers? |
| 17:51.27 | keny | ok, i see |
| 17:51.44 | Chainfire | is that tree public as well? |
| 17:52.13 | Disconnect | romainguy_: its very badly worded certainly but it seems like a reasonable report |
| 17:52.14 | gdsx | Chainfire: yeah, it's _way_ out of my lastlog, but ping swetland if you see him |
| 17:52.31 | Chainfire | nice |
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| 17:53.21 | keny | does "radio" include wifi, 3g and gprs? all of them? |
| 17:53.30 | keny | ughh i mean gps |
| 17:53.33 | gdsx | keny: :o) |
| 17:53.46 | gdsx | keny: certainly cell and GPS, likely wifi and BT also |
| 17:53.51 | gdsx | wait |
| 17:54.04 | gdsx | I _might_ be wrong about GPS, but I think I'm right |
| 17:54.12 | Chainfire | more interested in the display drivers used, actually :) |
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| 17:54.14 | keny | duh |
| 17:54.53 | gdsx | mattgyver83wasta: hahaha |
| 17:56.17 | keny | well, i would be satisfied if i can get a phone which does 3g, has a keyboard and a great touchscreen and the OS is as free as android is except for those binary blobs :P the only thing close to that is openmoko and i think it is not even half as functional as android :( |
| 17:56.51 | Disconnect | android runs on it |
| 17:56.54 | Disconnect | so thats a neat trick |
| 17:56.55 | keny | after all, all i'd want to do is to put my custom builds and custom libraries and apps on it. |
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| 17:57.37 | keny | Disconnect, you mean the freerunner, right? |
| 17:58.08 | BHSPitWeb | poetic_folly|G5: how did you manage to get a G/5/ already?! I'm still waiting for leaked photos of the G2 to hit the major tech blogs. |
| 17:58.14 | Disconnect | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Android |
| 17:59.04 | keny | Disconnect, thanks, did not know that :) |
| 17:59.05 | BHSPitWeb | openmoko = software project; freerunner = phone |
| 17:59.08 | poetic_folly|G5 | lol, BHSPitWeb, my G5 is old. as in, G5, not Intel. ;) |
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| 17:59.36 | keny | the bad thing about the freerunner is that it is not even 3G capable, as far as i know of |
| 18:00.35 | Disconnect | thats one bad thing certainly |
| 18:01.20 | og01 | anybody know why us brits get a lower revision of the os and unimplemented features? and if or when a patch will be distrobuted to resolve this? |
| 18:01.33 | gdsx | BHSPitWeb: the G2 hardware has already been announced: http://tinyurl.com/co4py |
| 18:01.37 | wastrel | had to make room for that pound symbol |
| 18:02.07 | gdsx | og01: the revisions between the UK and US branches aren't really comparable, numerically |
| 18:02.08 | romainguy__ | obra: you don't have a lower revision |
| 18:02.13 | romainguy__ | you have TC5 RCx |
| 18:02.15 | RyeBrye | rebuilding the dictionary is hard. especially if you do it in colour. |
| 18:02.19 | romainguy__ | the US have TC4 RCx |
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| 18:02.36 | romainguy__ | and what unimplemented features are you talking about? |
| 18:02.39 | Chainfire | heya AstainHellbring |
| 18:02.47 | AstainHellbring | hi |
| 18:02.53 | og01 | well mainly multiprotocol chat |
| 18:03.18 | romainguy__ | ah that's probably because of agreements with the missing chat networks |
| 18:03.24 | romainguy__ | it's up to the carrier, not Google |
| 18:03.28 | og01 | i was running on the presumtion of be 21ish release candidate behind |
| 18:03.35 | romainguy__ | so ask T-Mobile UK :) |
| 18:03.37 | BHSPitWeb | the freerunner is one of those things you'd expect to see on gadgetfun, not in a phone store |
| 18:03.45 | gdsx | og01: yeah, that presumption is incorrect :o) |
| 18:03.49 | BHSPitWeb | maybe for making cell-network-compatible robots |
| 18:04.06 | andyross | The carrier put limitations on chat protocols? Sigh. |
| 18:04.39 | romainguy__ | og01: the UK build is actually more recent than the US builds |
| 18:04.39 | romainguy__ | but there are differences (like the chat networks) because of legal thingies |
| 18:04.39 | romainguy__ | I guess there's no Amazon MP3 store eithr in the UK build? |
| 18:04.39 | romainguy__ | either |
| 18:04.58 | og01 | correct |
| 18:05.25 | romainguy__ | andyross: no, the carrier does not put limitations |
| 18:05.43 | romainguy__ | andyross: but you can't just get on Microsoft's Messenger network without agreements |
| 18:05.44 | og01 | couldnt i just uncomment the code for the other protocols? |
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| 18:05.57 | og01 | i mean the codes been released hasnt it? |
| 18:05.58 | romainguy__ | og01: lol, that's not how it works |
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| 18:06.34 | og01 | romainguy__: hy not? |
| 18:06.38 | thoraxe | hmm... so the wishlist right now is for flash, vpn, and data-based AIM |
| 18:06.43 | og01 | *why |
| 18:06.48 | thoraxe | and some cooler games |
| 18:06.48 | thoraxe | lol |
| 18:06.53 | romainguy__ | thoraxe: AIM is data based :) |
| 18:07.10 | og01 | its just a client? |
| 18:07.12 | wastrel | i want a good todo/organizer app. an offline html reader, an ebook reader |
| 18:08.06 | RyeBrye | data-based aim that doesn't charge per message I think is what he mant |
| 18:08.06 | romainguy__ | RyeBrye: yeah I know :) |
| 18:08.07 | og01 | couldnt i atleast take that code and repackage it into another app? |
| 18:08.07 | RyeBrye | Maybe one that paid you per message/ |
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| 18:08.15 | gdsx | og01: the AIM, YM, and MSN clients have not been open-sourced precisely because they contain proprietary code |
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| 18:08.23 | gdsx | og01: (well, gtalk also) |
| 18:08.34 | thoraxe | romainguy__: i was told it was sms based? why does it disconnect all the time and not notify |
| 18:08.42 | RyeBrye | I haven't looked yet - but is the browser replaceable? I don't want to replace webkit, but there are a couple of features I assume are either missing or I am too dumb to find them - like "find on page" |
| 18:08.56 | og01 | gdsx: well that would prevent me :p |
| 18:09.11 | Disconnect | im+ |
| 18:09.28 | og01 | Disconnect: sucks and costs |
| 18:09.32 | Disconnect | is out there. its commercial but it should work fine. (it was not bad on the s60 and bb, can't imagine its that bad on the android) |
| 18:09.54 | og01 | doesnt have good review on the market |
| 18:10.05 | thoraxe | i'm really happy with the aim client otherwise... it just doesn't stay connected. i could live with that if it told me it was disconnected, but it doesn't even do that |
| 18:10.12 | wastrel | i still need to move my passwords into a pwsafe db |
| 18:10.18 | gdsx | thoraxe: and no, it's not SMS-based |
| 18:10.19 | wastrel | :p lot of work that will be |
| 18:10.47 | gdsx | thoraxe: T-Mobile decided to charge for them as if they were SMS messages, but the protocol doesn't use SMS as a transport or anything |
| 18:11.05 | RyeBrye | which is really nice of T-Mobile |
| 18:11.14 | og01 | hmm well i'll have to wait for an open one to be written |
| 18:11.15 | RyeBrye | will be sure to send them a christmas card |
| 18:11.19 | Disconnect | tmobile is -aching- to get an outrageous-sms-charges lawsuit.. |
| 18:11.36 | Disconnect | og01: use the j2merunner and your favorite j2me chat app |
| 18:11.39 | BHSPitWeb | someone needs to make a libpurple client |
| 18:12.05 | og01 | or for myself to learn enough java/android api |
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| 18:12.11 | gdsx | og01: the problem you get with running the client purely client-side is that you bounce like crazy |
| 18:12.15 | thoraxe | gdsx: i don't really care as long as it gets fixed to work right :P |
| 18:12.25 | andyross | Wait wait wait: TMO is *charging* for XMPP messages on the phone?! |
| 18:12.36 | gdsx | andyross: where'd you come up with that? |
| 18:12.39 | thoraxe | or if you're not going to bother to notify me that you disconnected, actually try to reconnect |
| 18:12.45 | unix_lappy | andyross: uhh, how could they? |
| 18:12.46 | og01 | Disconnect: thats an idea |
| 18:13.02 | og01 | Disconnect: but not good os intergration |
| 18:13.03 | gdsx | og01: especially since the handset switches between wifi and cell data 2 minutes after the screen goes off (when the handset is on wifi) |
| 18:13.03 | Disconnect | andyross: they're charging for aim messages. not xmpp. |
| 18:13.08 | andyross | What part did I misunderstand: "gdsx: thoraxe: T-Mobile decided to charge for them as if they were SMS messages, but the protocol doesn't use SMS as a transport or anything" |
| 18:13.16 | Disconnect | andyross: you assumed that meant xmpp |
| 18:13.19 | mmattice | gdsx: why is that? |
| 18:13.19 | gdsx | andyross: you misunderstood the antecedent of "them" |
| 18:13.25 | gdsx | mmattice: power-saving |
| 18:13.25 | andyross | Oh. That's, ... not much better. But at least I'm not using AIM |
| 18:13.27 | Disconnect | not sure why you'd do that, actaully |
| 18:13.35 | Disconnect | even gtalk doesn't use xmpp internally |
| 18:13.37 | og01 | gdsx: i see |
| 18:13.37 | thoraxe | i'm on the unlim plan anyway |
| 18:13.41 | BHSPitWeb | AIM is available through XMPP too though |
| 18:13.48 | thoraxe | i just think the aim client is broken in regards to staying connected, tis al |
| 18:13.54 | BHSPitWeb | so just use that XMPP account they provide |
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| 18:14.03 | BHSPitWeb | problem solved? |
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| 18:14.17 | gdsx | BHSPitWeb: well, you still run into the bouncing problem |
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| 18:14.19 | Bonks | does any app exist for checking stocks? |
| 18:14.20 | unix_lappy | can you do aim->xmpp->recieving sms? |
| 18:14.26 | gdsx | (namely, that a phone's IP will tend to change a lot) |
| 18:14.33 | og01 | gdsx: i could code arount that i think if i ran a server on my home machine |
| 18:14.39 | BHSPitWeb | unix_lappy: probably not offline... |
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| 18:14.56 | thoraxe | gdsx: i think the sidekick people handled that by making the aim client server-side |
| 18:15.05 | mowgli | romainguy: since android market application is not open sourced, does this restrict the marketplace to only G1 users? what should other OEMs planning to build their own android based phone do to enable this feature? |
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| 18:15.20 | gdsx | thoraxe: exactly. Where do you put the server, if you're an average user, though? |
| 18:15.24 | gdsx | og01: ::nod:: |
| 18:15.36 | Disconnect | thoraxe: ditto on iphone |
| 18:15.42 | thoraxe | gdsx: danger/t-mobile held the server. |
| 18:15.46 | gdsx | thoraxe: and the answer is that T-mobile takes care of it, and you pay for it (not saying that's how it should be, just that that's how it is) |
| 18:15.54 | thoraxe | Disconnect: the iphone aim client is garbage haha |
| 18:16.00 | thoraxe | is there even one that works? |
| 18:16.06 | mmattice | gdsx: so UMA would have to do funny things? or do incoming calls never work via UMA on other phones either? |
| 18:16.12 | romainguy | mowgli: I don't know but I'm pretty sure Market will be available on non-G1 phone |
| 18:16.12 | thoraxe | gdsx: i'd pay for it if it meant AIM would actually stay connected and work |
| 18:16.19 | gdsx | mmattice: "UMA"? |
| 18:16.22 | thoraxe | that's why i continued to pay for the sidekick |
| 18:16.24 | Disconnect | thoraxe: there are a bunch in the appstore. plus beeim or whatever it is that is web or app. they mostly work by proxying out in the cloud somewhere |
| 18:16.41 | BHSPitWeb | thoraxe: it's the SDK's fault it can't stay connected. If you jailbreak, you can run the AIM client in the background. |
| 18:16.44 | gdsx | thoraxe: no, no, that's not what I meant. I don't know why you're having connectivity issues |
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| 18:16.50 | Disconnect | thats great except it will happily accept messages for (x) time after you disappear. which means the other end thinks you are online and messages get dropped.. |
| 18:16.53 | og01 | gdsx: all makes sense |
| 18:16.54 | thoraxe | i really don't care if the app disconnects. i don't even care if it doesn't re-connect. at the very least, at least tell me you disconnected |
| 18:16.57 | gdsx | BHSPitWeb: that's incorrect |
| 18:17.11 | thoraxe | gdsx: i wish i could tell you. it's not like i can easily figure out why either |
| 18:17.12 | Disconnect | gdsx: uma is fancy talk for roaming voice calls between wifi and cell |
| 18:17.22 | gdsx | BHSPitWeb: the SDK can't do anything about the handset changing IPs |
| 18:17.25 | thoraxe | i just know that i never power off my phone, and often when I go to the IM client I am no longer connected |
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| 18:17.40 | thoraxe | and i never get anything in my notification tray that tells me i got disconnected |
| 18:17.49 | og01 | gdsx: i think an adapter bitlbee server would be a good place to start! |
| 18:17.59 | Disconnect | thoraxe: it probably gets killed off by the system. part of the lifecycle thing that sucks |
| 18:18.01 | gdsx | thoraxe: yeah, dunno unfortunately |
| 18:18.02 | spikebike | IM -gtalk seems pretty good about staying connected |
| 18:18.24 | BHSPitWeb | gdsx: I read his problem as not being able to do other things alongside it |
| 18:18.25 | og01 | and a client for it on the phone |
| 18:18.25 | spikebike | < gdsx> thoraxe: T-Mobile decided to charge for them as if they were SMS messages |
| 18:18.29 | gdsx | spikebike: gtalk is special |
| 18:18.31 | spikebike | gdsx what is them? |
| 18:18.40 | gdsx | spikebike: AIM/YM/MSN IMs |
| 18:18.40 | BHSPitWeb | spikebike: aim messages |
| 18:18.45 | mowgli | romainguy: If a non-oha member is trying to build their own product based of android the only source they have is the open source tree which is missing a lot of stuff what G1 has. Agreed that youtube and Maps are proprietary. But what abt other apps like marketplace. How would they go abt getting this feature? |
| 18:18.46 | BHSPitWeb | what he said. |
| 18:18.59 | spikebike | oh, wow, I had no idea... how evil |
| 18:19.06 | thoraxe | Disconnect: lifecycle? |
| 18:19.13 | keny | how do other IM clients handle the problem of changing IPs, like gtalk ? |
| 18:19.43 | romainguy | mowgli: ask Google? |
| 18:19.55 | spikebike | so I'll stick to gtalk for high traffic stuff |
| 18:19.57 | Disconnect | keny: server-side support |
| 18:20.02 | og01 | gdsx: thanks for your time, most insightful |
| 18:20.11 | gdsx | og01: np |
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| 18:20.25 | languish | spikebike, it's because gtalk uses a different protocol |
| 18:20.41 | keny | Disconnect, how does the gtalk server know that tmobile decided to change a user's ip address? i dont understand |
| 18:20.42 | spikebike | can't wait for gtalk to support sms |
| 18:20.51 | BHSPitWeb | romainguy: awesome; the app is at their mercy, and the won't allow you to create a replacement. Yay freedom! :) |
| 18:20.59 | BHSPitWeb | s/the/they/ |
| 18:21.02 | languish | if the other IM's were adapted to use that protocol, then they too would have the benefits gtalk does, I think. |
| 18:21.06 | Disconnect | keny: connection drops, gtalk waits (x) time to see if the device will reconnect before marking offline. |
| 18:21.15 | romainguy | BHSPitWeb: you can write your own market place if you want |
| 18:21.19 | mowgli | romainguy: can someone from google present in this IRC answer that? |
| 18:21.22 | romainguy | look at SlideME |
| 18:21.28 | jasta | but you cant distribute it on the android market ;) |
| 18:21.28 | jasta | hehe |
| 18:21.30 | vol | you can write your own marketplace, you just can't sell it through marketplace |
| 18:21.32 | romainguy | mowgli: I'm from Google :p |
| 18:21.33 | BHSPitWeb | stupid infobot, honoring my bad regexes. |
| 18:21.42 | jasta | vol: erm, no. the marketplace tos says no marketplace apps |
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| 18:21.46 | mowgli | romainguy: thats what i though :) |
| 18:21.57 | mowgli | thats why i directed the question to you |
| 18:22.02 | vol | isn't that what I said? |
| 18:22.09 | romainguy | mowgli: ask morrildl or jasonchen |
| 18:22.14 | vol | I guess s/sell/offer/ |
| 18:22.17 | jasta | vol: sorry, totally misread |
| 18:22.23 | Disconnect | you can't distribute it on market, you can't use the installation api that market does (sure, working on it, whatever, i believe you, talk to me when its in handsets...) marketplace is a -very- unlevel playing field |
| 18:22.29 | keny | Disconnect, i see. So the phone does a lot of connecting/disconnecting while "being online"... didn't know that :) |
| 18:22.54 | languish | You can put an app store app on your websites for others to download and install, then they can use your app store app. you just cannot put your app store app in the "Android Market App" for download. |
| 18:22.59 | mowgli | romainguy: sure will do. |
| 18:23.22 | Disconnect | keny; also, keepalive packets are your friend. send NOOP periodically (or frequent status updates w/ no changed info) helps keep you on the same ip |
| 18:23.36 | unix_lappy | Disconnect: when has mobile ever been a level playing field in the US? |
| 18:24.12 | languish | google's market, is like microsofts internet explorer. it "comes with" but you can still choose your own by downloading from elsewhere. |
| 18:24.15 | gdsx | keny: also, the gtalk stuff is used for metadata-type stuff, so it's used a lot more frequently than you might think |
| 18:24.19 | Disconnect | unix_lappy: "its open and everyone has the same permissions. except for some apps are special. not jsut core apps and telco apps.." |
| 18:25.28 | unix_lappy | is it the android marketplace or the Tmobile marketplace? |
| 18:25.36 | gdsx | :o( |
| 18:25.41 | gdsx | RIP Michael Crichton |
| 18:26.27 | thoraxe | michael crichton died? |
| 18:26.36 | keny | gdsx, metadata about stuff related your google account? |
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| 18:27.37 | languish | the Android Market on the G1, is not t-mobiles. |
| 18:27.38 | gdsx | keny: yeah, so email tickles, IM stuff, other things |
| 18:27.43 | languish | google manages it |
| 18:27.46 | keny | i see |
| 18:28.04 | Dougie187 | Did anyone run out and get the Touch HD yet? |
| 18:28.18 | languish | Dougie187, why? no keyboard :) |
| 18:28.35 | waldo_ | crichton's is in fact dead. |
| 18:28.55 | Dougie187 | languish: its still an awesome looking phone... but i don't think it has wifi either.. |
| 18:29.04 | languish | heh |
| 18:29.08 | Dougie187 | but i may be thinking of the touch diamond |
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| 18:29.14 | Dougie187 | and its really expensive. |
| 18:29.14 | Dougie187 | http://www.devicewire.co.uk/htc-touch-hd |
| 18:29.20 | Dougie187 | only in the uk as well |
| 18:29.25 | languish | nod |
| 18:29.39 | keny | anyone tested any device with haptic keyboard ? i wonder how the feel of typing on one of those is like. |
| 18:29.46 | Disconnect | Dougie187: erm, every non-subsidized phone is really expensive. how bad is 'really expensive' in this case? |
| 18:29.58 | Dougie187 | like 800 |
| 18:30.04 | languish | that's not bad |
| 18:30.05 | Dougie187 | twice what the G1 is. |
| 18:30.22 | keny | Dougie187, yeah, that's what i would call really expensive, too :( |
| 18:30.37 | languish | the xperia is like $1000 |
| 18:30.42 | languish | though it's coming down |
| 18:30.45 | Dougie187 | languish: i guess not bad when you compare to the N85, but think about features... |
| 18:30.48 | keny | i recently put my eyes on the htc touch pro a.k.a htc raphael, but it's that sort of 'very expensive' too. :( |
| 18:31.02 | Dougie187 | the touch pro is awesome looking though |
| 18:31.08 | Dougie187 | that is one phone i would jump all over. |
| 18:31.16 | Dougie187 | just throw some android love its way |
| 18:31.44 | languish | yeah I'm waiting fot either the htc touch pro t-monile version (MDA Vario IV) or a better android ddevice. not necessarily the "G2" |
| 18:31.59 | languish | *for |
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| 18:32.39 | Disconnect | Dougie187: most phones tend to be $600-$900 so thats not bad at all |
| 18:32.41 | keny | Dougie187, exactly :) throw android in and i'd jump in. |
| 18:32.48 | languish | Until them I'm taking the G1 rollercoaster |
| 18:32.50 | RyeBrye | Is TC4 not open source? my build is saying BUILD_ID=TC3 |
| 18:32.52 | Disconnect | e90 in the usa was $1200 at one point (thanks dell) |
| 18:33.00 | Dougie187 | Disconnect: but what features do they contain? |
| 18:33.20 | Dougie187 | really, the only thing that is awesome about the Touch HD is the whole HD part... other than that its mainly lacking features. |
| 18:33.53 | Disconnect | Dougie187: similar to g1, only with working software :) e90 is s60fp3 unfolding candybar with keyboard, dual-display (widescreen inside) wifi etc. |
| 18:34.01 | languish | touch HD with features would be some insane heat-producing battery monster |
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| 18:34.40 | jasta | hehe, i have become completely disinterested in reading android news sites since i got my g1 :) |
| 18:34.50 | languish | heh |
| 18:35.05 | languish | well, sitting "in here" you don't need the news sites. the news is made here mostly |
| 18:35.06 | bloo | lol |
| 18:35.11 | bloo | theres no new android news |
| 18:35.24 | bloo | phonewise at least |
| 18:35.33 | languish | some forums are good to keep tabs on |
| 18:35.45 | romainguy | RyeBrye: you have tc4, tc3 is the name of the branch |
| 18:35.55 | bloo | i just wanna make some im not an idiot, does anyone have their G1 set up so when you receive a text message the screen turns on? |
| 18:36.04 | bloo | make "sure" not some |
| 18:36.33 | languish | bloo, if it's plugged in to charge and the screens off, you'll get an indicator light |
| 18:36.52 | languish | it doesn't necessarily have to turn on the screen |
| 18:36.59 | languish | that's what the indicator's for |
| 18:36.59 | Disconnect | thought it lit the backlight while it was beeping |
| 18:37.03 | gdsx | languish: you should get an indicator if you have _any_ new notification that happens |
| 18:37.10 | gdsx | like a missed call, also |
| 18:37.15 | languish | nod |
| 18:37.16 | bloo | lang, so your saying you can make it turn on the screen? |
| 18:37.22 | languish | i wasn't being expansive enough :) |
| 18:37.48 | languish | bloo, dunno, haven't looked |
| 18:38.09 | bloo | ok cause im making software to do that, but i swear i heard someone mention that its already doable |
| 18:38.43 | languish | i don't see it in sound & display settings |
| 18:38.52 | languish | maybe through anycut? |
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| 18:40.42 | languish | bloo, they might have been talking about the option to keep the screen on while being charged? |
| 18:40.50 | bloo | oh maybe |
| 18:41.08 | languish | which isn't the same thing as activating the screen when the phone rings |
| 18:41.26 | Disconnect | i thought it did it automatically |
| 18:41.29 | zhobbs | is there anyway to require a password to run an executable? Would be nice to put a password on /system/bin/su for those that copied /system/bin/sh to /system/bin/su ? |
| 18:41.50 | Disconnect | at least, while it was charging the other night i'm pretty sure it lit up when i got paged. but i wasn't 100% awake. |
| 18:41.57 | Disconnect | zhobbs: ...no. |
| 18:42.31 | languish | i'm testing it now |
| 18:42.35 | languish | phone's charhging |
| 18:42.40 | languish | yes screen comes on when called |
| 18:42.54 | bloo | what about sms'ed? |
| 18:42.56 | Disconnect | ok what about incoming sms? |
| 18:43.11 | languish | testing one minute |
| 18:43.18 | jasta | zhobbs: hey, do you handle lowering notification sound volume when using your music app? |
| 18:43.39 | jasta | it scared the shit out of me the first time i was cruising down the freeway and a new e-mail sound came through really loud on my car stereo speakers |
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| 18:43.54 | zhobbs | jasta: nope |
| 18:44.17 | zhobbs | jasta: and when music is playing the volume controls just control music volume |
| 18:44.28 | jasta | i know, i meant automatically in your app |
| 18:45.03 | zhobbs | interesting idea, but no I don't |
| 18:45.04 | mmattice | gdsx: you were looking for interface nit-picks earlier? how about the 'x days ago' on calls and messages instead of timestamps, or a percentage instead of the half full battery |
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| 18:45.55 | jasta | zhobbs: i typically have my notification volumes all the way up (they are too quiet otherwise) |
| 18:46.22 | jasta | but i keep the music volume somewhat low because when i plug it into my car i want to normalize the volume with the equalizer in the car |
| 18:46.37 | jasta | so while its hooked up, if i get a notification, the volume is so loud it shakes my speakers and damn near made me go deaf |
| 18:46.50 | zhobbs | jasta: would have to request more permissions for that...and would definitely have to be configurable |
| 18:46.57 | jasta | so i think a good feature in music players would be to temporarily change notification volumes to equal music volume |
| 18:47.12 | jasta | so that when notifications come in they are the volume that you expect |
| 18:47.22 | bloo | jasta, great idea! |
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| 18:47.29 | languish | ok SMS, screen does not light up, and the indicator light does NOT bliok when being charged, only audio alert |
| 18:47.37 | languish | *blink |
| 18:47.38 | andyross | Another interface nit: how about a more explicit "Dial" button in the contacts screen? It's very, very easy to accidentally call someone while setting up your contacts list. The screen looks like the settings window, but clicking on the number is an active, public action. |
| 18:47.58 | bloo | lang, my plan is for this app to open the screen and unlock on sms recieved |
| 18:47.59 | Disconnect | jasta: lol |
| 18:48.06 | RyeBrye | I'm trying to build the sdk / platform - here's my local_manifests.xml in .repo: http://pastebin.com/d7742e74f here's my buildspec.mk in build: http://pastebin.com/d2dfcb668 and here's the error I'm getting when I try to run make: http://pastebin.com/d466acbc0 |
| 18:48.06 | mmattice | andyross: yeah, I'll second that one |
| 18:48.09 | languish | bloo nod |
| 18:48.22 | bloo | and so far i got it! but i cant figure out how to relock the screen |
| 18:48.23 | jasta | zhobbs: just not sure how to do this off the top of my head...hmm, i'll look into it. |
| 18:48.45 | Disconnect | andyross: yah |
| 18:48.48 | Disconnect | open a ticket? |
| 18:48.54 | bloo | so im going to only turn the screen on when the device is probably sitting on a desk based on sensor input, hows that sound? |
| 18:49.12 | zhobbs | jasta: http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/media/AudioManager.html#adjustStreamVolume(int, int, int) |
| 18:49.13 | ttuttle | bloo: What are you writing? |
| 18:49.14 | RyeBrye | Is there something obvious I'm missing? I've got the project path in my local_manifest for the htc dream, and I've got the buildspec set up the way it should be (I think) - but I'm not sure why I'm getting the error? |
| 18:49.17 | mattgyver83 | Im trying to move a file from my SD card into the /etc/ folder. The only way i can find this possible is through a telnet session. When trying to move the file i get a 'Failed on '<directory>' - Cross-device link. Anyone know what that means? |
| 18:49.24 | languish | bloo mEndcallBehavior=0x2 ? |
| 18:49.37 | Disconnect | mattgyver83: built in mv sucks. use busybox. |
| 18:49.43 | mattgyver83 | Thanks. |
| 18:49.55 | zhobbs | jasta: or really: http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/media/AudioManager.html#setStreamVolume(int, int, int) |
| 18:50.22 | Disconnect | jasta: fyi i think locale could do that for you |
| 18:50.34 | Disconnect | maybe not tho, actually. not sure it does notification volume |
| 18:50.42 | zhobbs | jasta: requires android.permission.MODIFY_AUDIO_SETTINGS |
| 18:50.52 | RyeBrye | swetland around? |
| 18:50.57 | Dougie187 | Disconnect: does locale change volumes when other apps are running? |
| 18:51.23 | jasta | zhobbs: excellent, thanks |
| 18:51.26 | Disconnect | you'd ahve to detect based on time and/or location i think |
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| 18:51.40 | Dougie187 | Disconnect: then i don't think thats quite what hes looking for. |
| 18:51.49 | jasta | zhobbs: i think its reasonable for a music player to ask for that permission as well. i dont think any red flags would go up :) |
| 18:52.26 | languish | when bluetooth functionality is better supported, it'll be nice for location-aware apps to also recognize bluetooth range |
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| 18:52.41 | languish | so enable/disable stuff when near car |
| 18:52.50 | bloo | lang, oooo i like that |
| 18:53.09 | languish | because the car isn't stationary, so setting a gps location for it .. silly |
| 18:53.38 | zhobbs | jasta: nope...seems reasonable. You don't need it generally, because you can change the volume via the MediaPlayer without that permission |
| 18:53.45 | languish | there are also non-car uses, and bluetooth will use less battery.. so "home" .. |
| 18:54.04 | languish | err less battery than GPS |
| 18:54.21 | languish | and bluetooth can work indoors, whereas gps doesn't |
| 18:55.17 | jeld | anyone jailbroken their G1 already? |
| 18:55.19 | RyeBrye | Anyone here know the ins-and-outs of the android sdk build system? |
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| 18:55.23 | languish | proximity, that's the word I was looking for |
| 18:55.31 | languish | bluetooth proximity events |
| 18:55.56 | vol | jeld: no, why would I. |
| 18:56.03 | vol | I can't think of something I can't already do with it |
| 18:56.17 | vol | at least that rooting my device would really solve |
| 18:56.55 | meshuga | jeld: and its been broken already |
| 18:57.27 | meshuga | local root does seem kind of pointless |
| 18:57.42 | RyeBrye | local root is good for blinking your LEDs |
| 18:57.49 | jasta | hardly. you can download /system. |
| 18:57.56 | vol | winks at RyeBrye |
| 18:58.10 | vol | I guess rooting yourself is great if you plan on really hacking with the system |
| 18:58.11 | RyeBrye | blinks back in blue and then in orange, and then in blue again |
| 18:58.27 | RyeBrye | jasta - everything in /system is in the OTA update.zip |
| 18:58.44 | RyeBrye | since... the /system is completely wiped out and replaced by every OTA update - that kind of has to be the case |
| 18:59.07 | jasta | i didnt know you could download the OTA update? |
| 18:59.13 | RyeBrye | Yeah |
| 18:59.14 | RyeBrye | well |
| 18:59.29 | RyeBrye | they don't exactly publish the URL - but it was sniffed out pretty easily and posted |
| 18:59.44 | RyeBrye | if you look on XDA forums for the sdcard update there are a few threads on it |
| 19:00.25 | jasta | interesting |
| 19:00.30 | jasta | i must admit, i'm fine letting other people do this work :) |
| 19:00.48 | jasta | i'd much rather hack on things i can actually use right now :) |
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| 19:01.43 | RyeBrye | Is the msm7k in the sdk build broken right now? |
| 19:02.54 | RyeBrye | also... if I set TARGET_PRODUCT := dream in my buildspec.mk - should it still read: TARGET_PRODUCT=generic when it's doing the build, or am I doing something wrong? |
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| 19:07.01 | jt436 | has anyone seen this in logcat, 11-05 11:05:16.780: WARN/GoogleHttpClient(14591): Blocked by block_crash_reports: http://android.clients.google.com/crash |
| 19:07.59 | bloo | booo |
| 19:08.05 | bloo | someone donated $10 to me |
| 19:08.07 | bloo | and then canceled it |
| 19:08.13 | d0nets | hey |
| 19:08.16 | d0nets | how do i svn this source? |
| 19:08.17 | d0nets | http://pauldoo.dyndns.org/svn/Tuner/trunk/ |
| 19:08.45 | zhobbs | bloo: what project where they donating towards? |
| 19:09.19 | bloo | dgMoney |
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| 19:09.25 | bloo | my expense tracker |
| 19:09.54 | Disconnect | lol |
| 19:10.01 | bloo | i got all excited |
| 19:10.04 | bloo | and then my dreams were crushed |
| 19:10.11 | benley | your drums were crushed? |
| 19:10.21 | Disconnect | they went to track it and realized it was $10 they could keep |
| 19:10.29 | bloo | lol :) |
| 19:10.29 | benley | has been playing rockband for the past hour :) |
| 19:10.33 | cworth | RyeBrye: But are there things there are locked down by signatures? |
| 19:10.57 | bloo | i think i broke the sats for my app |
| 19:11.16 | bloo | the dev console has said 0 downloads and installs and ratings for the past 4 days |
| 19:11.27 | bloo | and the market shows < 50 downloads |
| 19:11.30 | bloo | and 21 ratings |
| 19:11.46 | bloo | and before this version, i had like 900 downloads a day |
| 19:11.53 | bloo | and it took like that many to get 20 ratings |
| 19:12.08 | brown10101 | guys im having trouble with PasswordTransformationMethod(), it takes time to replace the textfield text by dots, while it doesnt relace I can see the pass characters...is anyone having the same problem or its just me? |
| 19:12.46 | mmattice | they pause so you can tell you've typed the right thing |
| 19:13.03 | bloo | brown, theres an option to turn that off |
| 19:13.11 | bloo | but i think its system wide |
| 19:13.12 | bloo | not application |
| 19:13.27 | brown10101 | ahh ... |
| 19:13.42 | bloo | is there a way to get one shot sensor data? |
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| 19:14.40 | zhobbs | hehe, from androidcommunity.com "[..] have just found a way to gain root access to root of the T-mobile G1. There apparently is a loop hole in the PTerminal application that grants access." |
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| 19:14.52 | zhobbs | damn PTerminal |
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| 19:15.25 | ITechJunkie | it's pretty cool |
| 19:15.32 | brown10101 | thanx bloo, mmattice ! |
| 19:16.18 | Disconnect | zhobbs: yah i saw that. like pterminal did it somehow |
| 19:16.23 | ITechJunkie | Hopefully this will help people port an actual shell on there. |
| 19:16.37 | Disconnect | zhobbs: the bad news is it got reported that way in a bunch of tech blogs too |
| 19:16.49 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: there is a shell for the device |
| 19:16.58 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: Term.apl |
| 19:16.58 | ITechJunkie | pterminal helped... basically you enable telnet daemon through pterminal, telnet in and remount the system |
| 19:17.02 | zhobbs | Term.apk * |
| 19:17.15 | Disconnect | ITechJunkie: yes but term does that too. or adb shell |
| 19:17.42 | Disconnect | does appreciate having it explained to him 5 or 6 times though, as if we didn't spend all day yesterday discussing it :) |
| 19:17.44 | ITechJunkie | So how do I use Term.apk? or better yet, would someone mind shooting me a link? |
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| 19:17.59 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: http://www.helloandroid.com/files/Term.apk |
| 19:18.07 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: thanks man |
| 19:18.28 | zhobbs | Disconnect: I'm a day behind...I bought fallout 3 yesterday :) |
| 19:18.42 | cworth | ITechJunkie: A real shell would be nice. |
| 19:18.49 | Disconnect | cworth: busybox |
| 19:19.00 | ITechJunkie | so when did that come out? Is that not a real shell? |
| 19:19.10 | ionstorm | is that a real shell? |
| 19:19.14 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: Google created that in house |
| 19:19.17 | Disconnect | ITechJunkie: try using it some time.. |
| 19:19.21 | zhobbs | it's in the android git repo |
| 19:19.37 | zhobbs | it uses some private API calls so it can do some stuff that pterminal may not be able to do |
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| 19:19.42 | cworth | Disconnect: Is it pre-isntalled? Otherwise, where's a build? |
| 19:19.45 | ITechJunkie | Disconnect: i'm downloading it now |
| 19:19.47 | mattgyver83 | disconnect, is there a good tutorial on how to install busybox? |
| 19:19.57 | Disconnect | cworth: google 'busybox android' |
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| 19:20.02 | Disconnect | mattgyver83: see above. |
| 19:20.19 | zhobbs | cworth: http://www.helloandroid.com/files/Term.apk , or "make Term" in your android source directory |
| 19:20.44 | zhobbs | oh, you mean busybox |
| 19:21.10 | cworth | Disconnect: I'm still waiting to find an obvious place to read "Here are the things you want to do first with your g1" (aimed at me and the things I want to do of course). |
| 19:21.29 | Disconnect | ...huh? |
| 19:21.44 | cworth | Disconnect: Or aimed at someone like me. |
| 19:21.48 | zhobbs | cworth: run the Market and try out some apps... |
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| 19:21.59 | languish | heh my wife's on the treadmill at the gym, gchatting me |
| 19:22.03 | cworth | Disconnect: It's just been lots of searching and disjointed stuff so far. |
| 19:22.03 | Disconnect | for all i know the first thing you want to do with your phone is set it on fire.... |
| 19:22.12 | cworth | zhobbs: Not much at all for what I want to do. |
| 19:22.18 | cworth | Disconnect: Sure. |
| 19:22.25 | Disconnect | prolly you want to install k-9 since the built-in imap client sucks |
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| 19:23.03 | cworth | Disconnect: Getting a nice, remote shell is definitely step 1. |
| 19:23.22 | zhobbs | cworth: remote shell? |
| 19:23.22 | Disconnect | (sucks as in non-functional. if you don't like the interface you're SOL right now) |
| 19:23.47 | romainguy | Disconnect: I should start counting how many times a day you say the built-in Email client sucks :) |
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| 19:24.02 | wastrel | hi i just set up my work email on the imap client |
| 19:24.04 | wastrel | it worked! |
| 19:24.13 | Disconnect | there is basically nothing running on it and its got a weird (bsd-derived i heard) libc so porting is actual porting, not just cross-compiling |
| 19:24.16 | Disconnect | for shell that is |
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| 19:24.41 | ITechJunkie | How do I use term.apk? It's installed I just can't find it. |
| 19:24.47 | mattgyver83 | Disconnect, would i use the emulated console inside eclipse? |
| 19:24.58 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: shows up as "Terminal Emulator" in my apps list |
| 19:25.06 | cworth | zhobbs: I want to type on a real keyboard---not what's builtin to the g1. |
| 19:25.08 | Disconnect | ITechJunkie: might have to use anycut to create a shortcut |
| 19:25.24 | d0nets | how so i svn this source |
| 19:25.24 | d0nets | http://pauldoo.dyndns.org/Programs/Tuner/trunk |
| 19:25.27 | ITechJunkie | okay, thanks |
| 19:25.40 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: let me know if it doesn't show...I might have posted the wrong APK up there |
| 19:25.42 | Disconnect | cworth: to do what? the shell is a mess. try it out, grab the sdk and use 'adb shell' (or just plug the phone in with usb and use 'adb -d shell' |
| 19:25.51 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: I think I had to change the manifest to add a launcher icon |
| 19:25.59 | d0nets | woops bad link |
| 19:25.59 | d0nets | http://pauldoo.dyndns.org/Programs/browser/Tuner |
| 19:26.00 | cworth | Step 2 is routing my laptop through the phone. |
| 19:26.47 | Disconnect | you don't need a shell for that. |
| 19:27.01 | cworth | Disconnect: Yeah, the weird libc is disappointing. |
| 19:27.16 | bloo | is there any way to get orientation data without SensorManager? |
| 19:27.24 | cworth | Disconnect: I didn't say there was a dependency. Those are just the first two things I'd want to do naturally. |
| 19:27.38 | bloo | or does someone have an idea how to get orientation data instantly, so i dont have to register? |
| 19:27.43 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: yeah its not showing bro, Its not in anycut either |
| 19:27.58 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: ok, let me get the right apk |
| 19:28.19 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: appreciate it |
| 19:28.29 | vol | d0nets: download and install a svn client is step 1. |
| 19:28.42 | d0nets | i have that |
| 19:28.52 | d0nets | next vol? |
| 19:29.17 | vol | ... use it? |
| 19:29.23 | d0nets | i trid |
| 19:29.23 | vol | svn checkout <url> |
| 19:29.28 | andyross | bloo: register the callback in a separate thread that supports a synchronous query interface from other threads? |
| 19:29.28 | d0nets | ok one sec |
| 19:29.31 | vol | figure out how to use svn |
| 19:30.12 | mowgli | RyeBrye: Do you know how the OTA works? I am trying to find the piece of code which does the OTA download and install for patches as well as re updates |
| 19:30.32 | mowgli | firmware updates as well |
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| 19:31.10 | andyross | There was some noise made that space for the OTA downloads is pre-reserved, probably in a flash block that isn't mounted anywhere. You want to be sure when the device boots for its update that you're guaranteed not to lose the thing if the update fails. |
| 19:31.29 | cworth | Step 3 is to figure out which bits are proprietary and to see what can be done with an entirely non-proprietary install (if possible). |
| 19:31.43 | d0nets | vol |
| 19:31.45 | d0nets | http://pauldoo.dyndns.org/Programs/browser/Tuner/trunk |
| 19:31.47 | d0nets | fuck |
| 19:31.47 | cworth | (Though I'd be happy if someone else figured that out first.) |
| 19:31.50 | Disconnect | cworth: are you another 'free human being'? |
| 19:31.50 | d0nets | shit bad paste |
| 19:31.57 | d0nets | svn checkout http://pauldoo.dyndns.org/Programs/browser/Tuner/trunk |
| 19:31.58 | d0nets | svn: PROPFIND request failed on '/Programs/browser/Tuner/trunk' |
| 19:31.58 | d0nets | svn: PROPFIND of '/Programs/browser/Tuner/trunk': 200 OK (http://pauldoo.dyndns.org) |
| 19:32.06 | spikebike | andy it downloads to /cache |
| 19:32.06 | cworth | Disconnect: I'm not sure what that means. |
| 19:32.07 | rami | hello, I bought a G1 handset from ebay. And I am from saudi arabia, its unlocked but can't connect to the mobile network to activate my google account...I basically have a phone that only call emergency calls only.... |
| 19:32.09 | d0nets | what link do i use |
| 19:32.09 | bloo | down to 12 megs free on my phone |
| 19:32.10 | bloo | sigh |
| 19:32.15 | vol | d0nets: is that even an svn repo? |
| 19:32.24 | ttuttle | rami: Doesn't sound like it's unlocked. |
| 19:32.29 | ttuttle | rami: How do you know? |
| 19:32.37 | Disconnect | ttuttle: its unlocked its just not activated |
| 19:32.37 | ionstorm | bloo, I cant wait for an apk on sdcard hack |
| 19:32.45 | ttuttle | Disconnect: The SIM card isn't activated? |
| 19:32.46 | ionstorm | im down to 15 meg as well |
| 19:32.53 | vol | d0nets: I get the same problem. |
| 19:32.54 | d0nets | they are using the trac browser |
| 19:32.55 | d0nets | im not sure |
| 19:32.55 | d0nets | im newb |
| 19:33.01 | spikebike | rami does it show a few bars and an E or 3G for data? |
| 19:33.04 | Disconnect | has seen a couple of articles/blobs about this - the phone won't activate (against google, think iphone activation) w/o a working tmob sim |
| 19:33.06 | ionstorm | well I got a hack! for the sdcard, just create a static link |
| 19:33.08 | ionstorm | thats it |
| 19:33.15 | rami | ttuttle, well thats what the ebay vendor told me, plus he gave me this number to insert when I get the "Sim Network Locked" screen |
| 19:33.17 | mowgli | andyross: I dont see an iota of code in the open source which does the OTA thinge. Is this also proprietary and not available in the open source tree? |
| 19:33.19 | cworth | Disconnect: I'm just interested in writing some software really. |
| 19:33.26 | ttuttle | rami: /me thinks this is sketchy. |
| 19:33.27 | ionstorm | apk->sdcard with ln -s |
| 19:33.31 | rami | spikebike, yes it shows bars, but no e or 3g |
| 19:33.31 | ttuttle | rami: Did you try entering the number? |
| 19:33.33 | vol | d0nets: I don't know, ask them? |
| 19:33.37 | vol | http://pauldoo.dyndns.org/Programs/wiki/TracGuide |
| 19:33.39 | vol | read the docs? |
| 19:33.43 | andyross | mowgli: I haven't looked, so I'm not sure. I wouldn't be surprised. |
| 19:33.45 | spikebike | rami you need a cellular data connection to auth |
| 19:33.45 | cworth | And want to know up front if there's stuff on the device that's going to prevent me from doing things, (in which case my interest in coding goes way down). |
| 19:33.49 | spikebike | you can't use wifi |
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| 19:34.04 | rami | Before I entered the number I had no bars....but after I did I got the bars |
| 19:34.09 | ttuttle | ok |
| 19:34.18 | rami | spikebike, this same sim works fine with an iPhone |
| 19:34.22 | ttuttle | Have you checked with your cell provider to make sure they've provisioned you for data? |
| 19:34.44 | Disconnect | ttuttle: seriously, its a g1 software lock. lemme find the url. |
| 19:34.53 | d0nets | i dont see anything about svn |
| 19:35.02 | vol | rami: check and make sure that you're provisioned. I got put on the 7 day free trial instead of the data plan by accident |
| 19:35.06 | ttuttle | Disconnect: If he doesn't have the [E] or [3G] icon, he's not going to be able to activate it. |
| 19:35.09 | vol | the same thing might have happened to you |
| 19:35.09 | rami | ttuttle, data should be working since it works on an iPhone. Right? |
| 19:35.14 | spikebike | cworth the google APIs are pretty good, not at all like an iphone as far as the restrictions |
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| 19:35.16 | ttuttle | rami: Oh... yeah, I guess it should. |
| 19:35.35 | ttuttle | rami: OH |
| 19:35.38 | ttuttle | rami: You need to add the APN. |
| 19:35.42 | rami | I did |
| 19:35.46 | ttuttle | rami: Oh. :-\ |
| 19:35.49 | ttuttle | rami: Double-check it. |
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| 19:36.18 | RyeBrye | mowgli: I know how the firmware flashes work |
| 19:36.19 | rami | ttuttle, I used this http://www.modmygphone.com/wiki/index.php/Carrier_APN_Settings |
| 19:36.20 | Disconnect | ttuttle: http://www.trendygadget.com/2008/10/27/quick-unlock-g1-android-phone/ |
| 19:36.40 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: try that URL again |
| 19:37.13 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Er, that's not a "hack". |
| 19:37.13 | Disconnect | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/23/t-mobile-g1-up-and-running-with-no-activation/ too |
| 19:37.17 | ttuttle | Disconnect: That's how it's designed to work. |
| 19:37.24 | RyeBrye | mowgli: I don't know what does the downloads, but if it comes OTA it saves it to /cache and then once it's downloaded, it will verify that it is signed by one of the key paired to a public key in otacerts.zip - if it does match, then it will write an instruction file in /cache and have the phone reboot in recovery mode |
| 19:37.31 | rami | Disconnect, are these links for my problem? |
| 19:37.42 | Disconnect | ttuttle: i didn't say it was. i said - repeatedly - that he can't get past activation without a tmob sim in it, no matter how many bars he has |
| 19:37.56 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Er, I activated mine with an AT&T SIM. |
| 19:38.01 | RyeBrye | mowgli: in recovery mode, if it sees instructions in the /cache it will then read in that file, verify it against it's own internal (compiled-in) list of keys - and if they validate, it will then apply the patch, format the system, flash the radio, and reboot... etc. |
| 19:38.02 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: okay, did something change? |
| 19:38.04 | ttuttle | Disconnect: And that was with a production build. |
| 19:38.14 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: yeah, I updated that file |
| 19:38.25 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: you might have to uninstall the old one |
| 19:38.28 | rami | I have a tmob sim here with me...but I get no bars on it |
| 19:38.47 | ttuttle | rami: Hmm. |
| 19:38.57 | RyeBrye | mowgli: I just started looking around for the piece that does the "check in" parts - I'm not entirely sure if it is open source, but I think it's related to the DeviceInfoSettings and around there |
| 19:39.02 | mowgli | RyeBrye: Thanks for the info. I could not find the code which does that. I guess the first part you mentioend is done runtime and the secod one happens in bootloder rt? |
| 19:39.09 | ITechJunkie | I can't even find the old one to uninstall lol |
| 19:39.25 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: under settings applications? |
| 19:39.27 | ttuttle | rami: Is it an activated T-Mo sim? |
| 19:39.43 | ITechJunkie | nope |
| 19:39.48 | RyeBrye | mowgli: technically it's not in the bootloader - the HTC bootloader loads linux which then loads the recovery mode. The second part - the flashing - has all its code in the /recovery directory |
| 19:39.50 | rami | I have no idea |
| 19:40.08 | rami | ttuttle, I bought it off E-bay, and it came with a tmobile sim |
| 19:40.18 | Disconnect | rami: http://androidcommunity.com/forums/f41/unlocked-g1-does-it-need-to-be-activated-4743/ try booting safe mode (post 5) |
| 19:40.20 | RyeBrye | mowgli: if you look into the recovery, one thing I haven't figured out yet is where the keys.inc file that it includes gets built from, or what the format of it is |
| 19:40.23 | ttuttle | rami: That's unactivated. |
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| 19:40.41 | Disconnect | post #10 is the verification that it works |
| 19:40.41 | rami | Disconnect, ok lemme check that |
| 19:40.45 | ttuttle | rami: So you get no bars with your own SIM (which works perfectly, with data, on an iPhone), and no bars with the T-Mo SIM? |
| 19:40.54 | ttuttle | rami: Or, rather you get bars but no data with your own SIM. |
| 19:41.10 | Disconnect | ttuttle: no tmob service in saudi arabia i suspect |
| 19:41.13 | RyeBrye | mowgli: I can see where the keys.inc file in the intermediary files gets built - the one that gets included in the compiled version - but I don't see where it is either generating or pulling that file from |
| 19:41.19 | rami | Tuttle, yes exactly bars but no date |
| 19:41.21 | ionstorm | anyone got sshd autostarting ? |
| 19:41.22 | ttuttle | rami: Hmm. |
| 19:41.29 | ttuttle | rami: And you're *sure* you've got the same APN set up? |
| 19:41.39 | rami | ttuttle, yes |
| 19:41.43 | ttuttle | rami: Hmm. |
| 19:41.45 | ttuttle | rami: That should work. |
| 19:41.51 | ttuttle | rami: That's all the steps I had to follow. |
| 19:42.00 | ttuttle | rami: Although technically I was within T-Mo coverage, but not with a T-Mo SIM. |
| 19:42.48 | rami | ttuttle, well I am in a whole different country |
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| 19:43.02 | rami | ttuttle, my carrier is a partner carrier of tmob |
| 19:45.06 | rami | Disconnect, booting into safe mode is not working |
| 19:45.09 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: well... the same thing happened... Whenever I install it the title says "Android System" is that relevant? |
| 19:45.10 | mowgli | RyeBrye: I see a install.p executable in the intermediates |
| 19:45.58 | eldenz | hmm... let me see, could i buy an iPhone with a contract, sell it and import a G1 and use it with my sim and same 3G flat? |
| 19:46.05 | eldenz | ups i was scrolled up |
| 19:46.19 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: type the url into your browser on the phone, it'll download now touch the row that says it's finished and it'll prompt to install |
| 19:46.43 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: that's what i've been doing all along. Should I try it the other way? |
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| 19:47.02 | mowgli | RyeBrye: ./recovery/install.c:#include "keys.inc" |
| 19:47.18 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: not sure, you can try ADB |
| 19:47.19 | RyeBrye | mowgli - yes, but where is the keys.inc built is the question. I know it gets included :) |
| 19:47.32 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: I uninstalled mine and reinstalled the new one and it worked ok |
| 19:48.12 | bloo | if it says android system, the mime types on the server are wrong |
| 19:48.20 | bloo | that causes problems with 3g/edge downloads |
| 19:48.24 | bloo | but for some reason wifi is fine |
| 19:48.26 | ttuttle | Heh, /me should provide a service where I will activate people's G1s for them. |
| 19:48.58 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - you familiar with the build process for the sdk / platform stuff? |
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| 19:49.14 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: whenever I downloaded the second one there were two files Term.apk and Term-1.apk. I installed Term-1.apk. Is it possible that it was the older file? It was on the bottom of the list. |
| 19:49.32 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: both are the same size |
| 19:49.32 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Not really. |
| 19:49.38 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: And remember, I can't help with the rootage. |
| 19:49.45 | RyeBrye | I'm not needing help with that |
| 19:49.46 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: (Google turned on the mind-control implant :-\) |
| 19:49.50 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: Oh, what's up then? |
| 19:49.56 | RyeBrye | I'm trying to build the sdk / platform - here's my local_manifests.xml in .repo: http://pastebin.com/d7742e74f here's my buildspec.mk in build: http://pastebin.com/d2dfcb668 and here's the error I'm getting when I try to run make: http://pastebin.com/d466acbc0 |
| 19:50.00 | Disconnect | ITechJunkie: automatic rename |
| 19:50.09 | rami | ttuttle, so what I got a brick phone?? |
| 19:50.12 | RyeBrye | Either the msm7k whatever stuff is broken, or I have done some configuration wrong |
| 19:50.21 | ttuttle | rami: I don't think so. |
| 19:50.27 | ttuttle | rami: If you've got bars sometimes it's clearly not bricked. |
| 19:50.28 | bloo | lol |
| 19:50.37 | ITechJunkie | Disconnect: right, but I was asking if I installed the right one. |
| 19:50.38 | ttuttle | rami: I'm just not sure why it's not giving you data service. |
| 19:50.56 | rami | ttuttle, can't I turn on wifi? |
| 19:51.01 | ttuttle | rami: Nope. |
| 19:51.06 | ttuttle | rami: It's designed to require activation over a cell network. |
| 19:51.16 | RyeBrye | Mine came pre-activated |
| 19:51.25 | RyeBrye | but someone had returned it, apparently |
| 19:51.37 | ttuttle | It's possible to deactivate them somehow, I'm sure. |
| 19:51.38 | ITechJunkie | I'll just try the other one and see what happens. Either way, I'm not getting an option to launch after I install after either of them. |
| 19:51.38 | rami | ttuttle, how about safe mode, its not loading in safe mode for me |
| 19:51.53 | ttuttle | rami: How does safe mode work? |
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| 19:52.06 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: not sure, maybe try it on the PC with adb |
| 19:52.26 | rami | ttuttle, I don't know it was Disconnect's suggestion...by pressing menu while loading |
| 19:52.33 | languish | wow, local kid just told me his brothers gang gets paid $60 per G1 they steal from people |
| 19:52.35 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: this one should show up on your apps list now: http://www.helloandroid.com/files/Term.apk |
| 19:52.53 | spikebike | languish how much per iphone? |
| 19:52.56 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: i'm not sure how to use adb. I've never actually done that. |
| 19:53.01 | vol | $60 is pretty shitty |
| 19:53.08 | languish | spikebike, they don't steal iphones it seems. he didn't say why |
| 19:53.08 | vol | since it retails for like $400 |
| 19:53.29 | vol | also, seems a little risky since it has integrated GPS... |
| 19:53.35 | RyeBrye | and GPS Tracker |
| 19:53.36 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: oh ok...do you have the SDK installed? |
| 19:53.42 | spikebike | heh, not really |
| 19:53.45 | spikebike | it's got an off button |
| 19:53.45 | RyeBrye | SMS -> Phone... activate GPS... go beat up thugs... |
| 19:53.50 | languish | vol, yeah.. i'm guessing these are going to "refurbishers" that pass them on through crappy cellular rip off stores |
| 19:53.57 | rami | ttuttle, do MCC and MNC values matter? |
| 19:54.07 | ttuttle | rami: Yes! |
| 19:54.19 | spikebike | and a handy reset to factory defaults |
| 19:54.20 | vol | languish: are you familiar with the idea of lojack? :P |
| 19:54.26 | languish | vol yes :) |
| 19:54.39 | vol | I hope these kids know to take the battery out asap for their sake then |
| 19:54.40 | spikebike | lojack doesn't have an off button by the steering wheel |
| 19:54.49 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: Yeah I do, but be warned that i'm not exactly an experience programmer. |
| 19:54.50 | spikebike | the sad thing is the callular carriers promote this |
| 19:55.03 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: not yet at least. |
| 19:55.04 | spikebike | no reason they shouldn't have an IMEI or whatever it is black list |
| 19:55.07 | languish | i tried to explainit to him, he says they know about the gps tracking already, and supposedly have a way around the imei id'ing too |
| 19:55.16 | rami | ttuttle, I used these for Saudi Arabia (AlJawal) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_network_code#S |
| 19:55.29 | Disconnect | languish: 'way around' as in 'networks don't care' |
| 19:56.05 | languish | Disconnect, if you go to t-mobile with a police report and bug them enough, they'll do it by imei |
| 19:56.12 | dream_kill | to RyeBrye what u try to compile? |
| 19:56.14 | ttuttle | rami: So you used MCC=420 MNC=01? |
| 19:56.30 | RyeBrye | dream_kill - I'm trying to build an image of the htc dream to run in the emulator |
| 19:56.43 | languish | if I knew who his brothers gang was, I'd turn them in |
| 19:56.45 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: I justed tested it from the phone's browser and its working for me |
| 19:56.49 | rami | ttuttle, yes MNC=001 since it only accept 3 digits |
| 19:56.55 | ttuttle | rami: Yeah. |
| 19:56.59 | dream_kill | i see u compile in the mac os |
| 19:57.04 | RyeBrye | dream_kill - from my understanding, I should be able to just add something to my local_manifests.xml, and then set the TARGET_PRODUCT := dream in the buildspec.mk - but it's failing on my build in some other stuff |
| 19:57.05 | dream_kill | what gcc / java u use |
| 19:57.07 | RyeBrye | Ahhh |
| 19:57.14 | RyeBrye | I wonder if my java is back at 1.6 |
| 19:57.20 | dream_kill | ;) |
| 19:57.21 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: download from browser, click on it, it'll give security prompt, click "install" |
| 19:57.37 | rami | ttuttle, would calling t-mobile customer service help? |
| 19:57.44 | bloo | anyone play witht the INSTLAL_SHORTCUT permission? |
| 19:57.52 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: okay, you're running the new update right? I'll delete the previous two and try it again. |
| 19:58.05 | Disconnect | languish: afaik tmob still doesn't use the imei blacklist, so it doesn't matter if you convince them its stolen - the tech to apply the list to the network isn't there.. |
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| 19:58.48 | RyeBrye | dream_kill - javac is (and has been) set at javac 1.5.0_13 and gcc is: gcc version 4.0.1 (Apple Inc. build 5465) |
| 19:58.48 | ttuttle | rami: No. |
| 19:58.54 | ttuttle | rami: You're not a T-Mobile customer, are you? |
| 19:58.57 | languish | Disconnect, there have been documented cases where t-mobile has tracked down a phone after a customer went to them with a police report ... some guy blogged about the experience, and they did it by imei |
| 19:59.04 | ttuttle | languish: nice |
| 19:59.09 | languish | they don't blacklist the imei though you're correct about that |
| 19:59.09 | ttuttle | languish: AT&T would probably be like "we don't care". |
| 19:59.11 | spikebike | well |
| 19:59.13 | Disconnect | languish: tracked down is not blacklisting |
| 19:59.21 | ttuttle | languish: Well, if they blacklist it then the criminal will probably throw it out. |
| 19:59.24 | spikebike | knowing where an IMEI is != blacklist it |
| 19:59.32 | rami | ttuttle, well technically I got their SIM card, am assuming that it would work if I were in the States |
| 19:59.34 | languish | ttuttle exactly |
| 19:59.42 | spikebike | ttuttle sure... but he might not steal another one |
| 19:59.46 | ttuttle | rami: Oh, but 1. different network -- they can't help you activate it there |
| 19:59.55 | ttuttle | rami: 2. They'll make you pay for a plan. |
| 20:00.03 | languish | spikebike, yes, he will. refurbishers will resell them anyway |
| 20:00.27 | spikebike | the value will drop if every phone is disconnected within 24 hours |
| 20:00.31 | languish | spike, the only ones who get screwed by a blacklisted imei are usually customers who don't know better |
| 20:00.34 | rami | ttuttle, so the solution is by a ticket to the states, borrow a tmobile sim from a friend, activate it and fly back? LOL |
| 20:00.46 | languish | spikebike, they'd find a way around the blacklist. |
| 20:00.46 | ttuttle | rami: :-( |
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| 20:00.57 | ttuttle | rami: I'm not sure what to do. |
| 20:01.04 | wastrel | are you still using one of the default wallpapers? |
| 20:01.12 | ttuttle | wastrel: They're awesome wallpapers ;-) |
| 20:01.15 | Disconnect | you can change the imei on many phones these days, although g1 is prolly not one of them yet |
| 20:01.16 | rami | ttuttle, lol whats worse I bought three! |
| 20:01.24 | ttuttle | rami: Hmm. |
| 20:01.48 | ttuttle | rami: So, remind me... did you enter the unlock code yet? |
| 20:01.51 | languish | spikebike, besides, the carriers wouldn't want the headaches of dealing with false police reports as pranks to get peoples phones turned off, not to mention loss of income |
| 20:02.25 | Disconnect | languish: actually, for the most part the blacklist works -great- in EU |
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| 20:02.38 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: now i'm getting and Application install Unsuccessful Error |
| 20:02.38 | languish | it's better to leave the imei alone and track the phone when in use, then track it back to whoever sold it |
| 20:02.50 | rami | yes I entered a 7 digit code...or something like that |
| 20:02.59 | bloo | itechjunkie: try downloading it over wifi |
| 20:03.00 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: Would there be software conflicting with it? |
| 20:03.06 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: yeah, probably has different sig...need to uninstall the old one |
| 20:03.15 | rami | ttuttle, from tmob website they list t-mobile as a partner, shouldn't the sim work here?? |
| 20:03.22 | ttuttle | rami: Yes, but the SIM is not activated. |
| 20:03.27 | ttuttle | rami: You are not a T-Mobile customer. |
| 20:03.29 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: should be in "Settings->Applications->Manage Applications->Terminal Emulator->Uninstall" |
| 20:03.30 | ttuttle | rami: (Are you?) |
| 20:03.34 | Disconnect | languish: so its worth thousands of dollars (or more) in effort/equipment/police time to find a $140 phone? |
| 20:03.49 | ttuttle | Disconnect: If it lets you track down a group stealing dozens of them? |
| 20:03.55 | languish | Disconnect, no.. it's worth it to find someone stealing dozens/hundreds of phones |
| 20:03.58 | Disconnect | vs a few bucks to blacklist? |
| 20:03.58 | rami | ttuttle, I really don't know...but when I put the tmob in a SE P910 I get no networks |
| 20:04.08 | rami | ttuttle, so I guess you are right |
| 20:04.08 | ttuttle | rami: Yeah, that's 'cause it's not activated. |
| 20:04.24 | rami | ttuttle, and to activate I need to pay for a contract? |
| 20:04.28 | ttuttle | rami: I'm not sure. |
| 20:04.36 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: There's no Terminal Emulator |
| 20:04.41 | ttuttle | rami: If T-Mo has a prepaid option, that might get you far enough. |
| 20:05.00 | ttuttle | rami: Honestly, if the unlock code worked right, you shouldn't need to do anything. |
| 20:05.13 | languish | Disconnect, and in the USA, if someone fakes a police report, the imei gets blacklisted, of a non-stolen phone.. the legal hassles for t-mobile are high |
| 20:05.15 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: strange |
| 20:05.48 | languish | and yes sure, that person might get busted, but there are plenty of stupid people out there that would do it anyway |
| 20:05.53 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: yeah... When you install it does it say "Android System" at the top or "Terminal Emulator" |
| 20:05.56 | rami | ttuttle, oh well thanks for your time, I will scour the Internet I guess |
| 20:05.57 | Disconnect | languish: no higher than in EU, and the legal hassles aren't tmob's. the person who filed the fake report gets tmob -and- the phone owner landing on them. |
| 20:06.14 | ttuttle | rami: okay |
| 20:06.16 | ttuttle | rami: Good luck. |
| 20:06.22 | languish | Disconnect, like I said.. stupid people.. they don't know or don't care. |
| 20:06.23 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: that may not even matter but i thought i'd ask to put my mind to rest on it |
| 20:06.26 | rami | ttuttle, thanks |
| 20:06.35 | Disconnect | i could report you car stolen too, so quick, we better stop all those cops looking for stolen cars |
| 20:06.43 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: powering off and trying again |
| 20:06.48 | languish | Disconnect, and in the US.. tmo will get sued by the innocent customer |
| 20:06.49 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: "Terminal Emulator" |
| 20:06.53 | Disconnect | seriously.. imei blacklist -works-. and its been working for a long time.. |
| 20:07.04 | Disconnect | languish: i'm afraid not, but nice try anyway.. |
| 20:07.12 | languish | afraid not of what? |
| 20:07.21 | languish | I'm telling you how it is in tha usa |
| 20:07.29 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: weird, i never saw that on mine. i'll try again and watch closer |
| 20:08.56 | languish | I didn't say the customer would win the lawsuit, I said they would sue. The expense of dealing with additional idiotic lawsuits and bad publicity "tmo turned off my service because my insame ex boyfriend told them to" is enough reason not to use the imei blacklist |
| 20:09.27 | Disconnect | languish: again, no, its not. they aren't going to get sued (successfully anyway) for blocking an imei. whereas you -might- be able to get a class-action together of people who's phones were stolen because tmob did not do evertything in their power to make stolen phones worthless.. |
| 20:10.17 | Disconnect | languish: how often do they get sued for that NOW? ..never. but i can call up and with just your name and address change or disable your service without much trouble. esp if you are on a family plan. i only get asked for verification (last-4-SSN etc) about 1 call in 5.. |
| 20:10.28 | languish | Disconnect, the class action would fail because tmo has a proven record of following up with law enforcement to track down stolen phones, for the purpose of identifying and stopping crime rings |
| 20:10.40 | Disconnect | languish: got docco on that? |
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| 20:10.44 | ttuttle | Disconnect: /me gets asked for last-4-SSN *every* call. |
| 20:10.53 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: Yeah man, not once in the install process does it say "Terminal Emulator" |
| 20:10.55 | Disconnect | anyway i gota meeting sigh, bbl. |
| 20:10.58 | ttuttle | Disconnect: see ya |
| 20:11.03 | Disconnect | languish: in the meantime you can look up that "proven record" and send me a link |
| 20:11.27 | languish | Disconnect, on my acount, you cannot get away with using last 4 ss$, i have other security in place that t-mobile enforces :) (alternate password verification) |
| 20:11.39 | languish | ss# |
| 20:11.49 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: you have the "Unknown Sources" checked in settings right? |
| 20:12.30 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: yeah |
| 20:12.57 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: very strange...I guess you should install the SDK and try adb |
| 20:13.15 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: I've tested it here with 2 different phones and it worked :) |
| 20:13.44 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: how do I do that? Thanks for your patients thus far btw |
| 20:14.39 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: *patience |
| 20:14.41 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: d/l and install the SDK, in the tools folder there is an executable "adb", you can run "adb install <apk_file>" to install an apk |
| 20:15.00 | ITechJunkie | okay cool |
| 20:15.04 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: what OS? |
| 20:15.40 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: well i'm running Vista at work but i can switch to Ubuntu if that makes it easier. |
| 20:16.00 | zhobbs | nah, just might need a driver in vista |
| 20:16.23 | zhobbs | ITechJunkie: http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html#developingondevicehardware |
| 20:18.26 | wastrel | i need an ebook reader pls |
| 20:18.37 | wastrel | and/or offline html viewer |
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| 20:20.13 | jasta | hmm |
| 20:21.23 | unix_lappy | why wouldnt you be able to point the browser at localhost or file:// |
| 20:21.50 | languish | Disconnect, for some reason they keep it pretty quiet, but it's been around as far back as 2004, http://www.engadget.com/2004/12/28/the-stolen-gsm-phone-database/ |
| 20:22.25 | languish | and yes, by police request they do track the phones |
| 20:23.27 | languish | the only problem is getting a detective willing to pursue it for an individual case. |
| 20:24.13 | languish | (talking to a friend that works as a private consultant in my local police station) |
| 20:25.08 | languish | the roadblock is law enforcement. if you're connected, or important enough, they do it for you. if not, you have to either get lucky, or harass them to do it |
| 20:25.54 | languish | they don't want to spend the time following up with the carrier it seems |
| 20:26.11 | ITechJunkie | zhobbs: Vista is picking up my device as a Mass USB Drive. Is that right? |
| 20:26.13 | languish | and often the handsets are found operating outside their jurisdiction |
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| 20:27.34 | ttuttle | ITechJunkie: yes |
| 20:27.48 | languish | a stolen phone from nyc, ends up in florida, and the nypd doesn't want the hassles of a) finding out where the phone's operating b) contacting law enforcement in the area to get them to cooperate c) our local DA has to get involed to get a warrant...etc etc |
| 20:27.54 | languish | this is what he's explaining to me |
| 20:27.54 | ITechJunkie | ttuttle: thx |
| 20:28.03 | languish | and why it's such a hassle to get a stolen phone recovered |
| 20:28.18 | languish | but they *CAN* and *DO* do it |
| 20:28.25 | languish | they just don't want to |
| 20:28.55 | ITechJunkie | I tried to run "adb.exe install ..\..\..\Term.apk" and it says "error: device not found" |
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| 20:29.15 | languish | ITechJunkie, type adb devices |
| 20:29.21 | languish | see if your g1 shows up |
| 20:29.38 | ITechJunkie | Nope |
| 20:29.44 | languish | that's your problem |
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| 20:30.26 | ITechJunkie | languish: how would one go about fixing that? |
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| 20:31.03 | Cedric2 | Enable USB debugging on your device |
| 20:31.06 | languish | ITechJunkie, settings, application settings, development, usb debugging |
| 20:31.20 | languish | as Cedric2 said.. |
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| 20:33.27 | Guest77200 | Question: Do we need a specific patch, such as for arm, when we compile the gdb server |
| 20:33.55 | ITechJunkie | Cedric2: languish: Thanks guys that did it |
| 20:34.04 | languish | :) |
| 20:34.29 | Cedric2 | You're welcome |
| 20:35.02 | languish | I wonder how long before the telnet root results in an app that exploits the phone virally |
| 20:35.29 | languish | if it's not already out there |
| 20:36.18 | jeld | languish, well, you need to install something that will start telnetd |
| 20:36.42 | languish | jeld, yeah I'm sure of the app is listed as something else, people will give it permissions anyway |
| 20:36.58 | languish | law of the average user |
| 20:37.10 | jeld | BTW, does anyone know why the jailbreaking procedure works? I mean, wouldn't telnetd run under the same UID as PTerminal? |
| 20:37.14 | languish | click click... ohno |
| 20:37.15 | jeld | languish, agreed |
| 20:37.35 | brocktice | jeld: If configured properly I suppose it would |
| 20:37.37 | jeld | languish, especially if the app actually pretends to do something semi-useful |
| 20:37.56 | jeld | brocktice, I thought any app installed on android gets its own user |
| 20:38.10 | brocktice | I don't believe telnetd is really within the android environment |
| 20:38.11 | languish | jeld it's a *cough* oversight *cough* |
| 20:38.26 | brocktice | That's all inside the dalvik (or however it's spelled) VM |
| 20:38.41 | brocktice | telnetd is a native binary |
| 20:39.20 | languish | right, the issue before was that the user or dev didn't have root permissions within the vm to do as they pleased |
| 20:39.28 | languish | now they do |
| 20:39.30 | languish | that's all |
| 20:39.52 | languish | there's still a laywer of separation from much of the hardware |
| 20:40.07 | languish | but with this change, it's one step closer to a true jailbreak |
| 20:40.27 | languish | *layer |
| 20:41.31 | jeld | I still don't get it. PTerminal runs as its own user, PTerminal spawns a telnetd process. At which point telnetd becomes UID=0? Is it installed with SUID? |
| 20:41.33 | ITechJunkie | To all who helped me: I finally got Term.apk installed through adb thanks |
| 20:41.35 | brocktice | often lawyers are involved with jailbreaks as well |
| 20:41.52 | languish | :) |
| 20:42.15 | SplasPood | Heh I never thought my pTerminal discovery would be so exciting to everyone |
| 20:42.48 | languish | jeld, seems one app can initiate another, and for whatever reason, telnetd runs as root regardless of pterminal starting it |
| 20:42.48 | languish | SplasPood :) |
| 20:42.53 | brocktice | languish: not close enough to the hardware for a wifi AP bridge eh? |
| 20:43.02 | keny | SplasPood, nice discovery :) |
| 20:43.14 | SplasPood | Thanks |
| 20:43.15 | cworth | Anyone have a writeup for native development targeting the g1? |
| 20:43.17 | languish | brocktice, dunno. I would think we'd need access to the gsm dsp for that |
| 20:43.26 | SplasPood | It seemed so... unhidden that I thought everyone would have already seen it |
| 20:43.33 | tweakt | languish, maybe it's suid root ? |
| 20:43.51 | brocktice | languish: Not to mention being able to switch the mode of the wifi |
| 20:43.55 | SplasPood | I was very surprised to find it on slashdot and everywhere else today :) |
| 20:43.56 | languish | tweakt, *shrug* |
| 20:44.02 | jeld | SplasPood, well, people have been trying to get root on a G1 for two weeks :) |
| 20:44.03 | tweakt | SplasPood: is this documented somewhere? |
| 20:44.08 | languish | not an expert, just a gatherer of others info |
| 20:44.14 | keny | reminds me when i managed got a root shell in my router through the locked-down-shell. it was even easier that this, basically there was a hidden "sh" (oh noes!) command which gave you root :P |
| 20:44.15 | SplasPood | tweakt: just in the various forum threads spawned from my original post |
| 20:44.22 | keny | to get* |
| 20:44.38 | languish | tweakt http://ioerror.livejournal.com/495953.html |
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| 20:45.23 | ioerror | spearce, how did you find the telnetd thing? |
| 20:45.32 | languish | SplasPood, the funny thing is.. and i even mentioned it in here... was that I was about to try telnet, then decided not to becausde I wanted ssh |
| 20:45.36 | SplasPood | jeld: heh, I presumed when I searched before I posted that I just failed at teh query |
| 20:45.47 | SplasPood | languish: haha thats always the way it happens |
| 20:45.50 | spearce | wonders why ioerror is asking him about the telnetd thing |
| 20:45.52 | languish | glad you tried it anyway :) |
| 20:46.07 | SplasPood | spearce: your actions are not showing up properly.. |
| 20:46.14 | tweakt | um, so root has no password?? wow |
| 20:46.17 | ioerror | SplasPood, even |
| 20:46.34 | languish | tweakt, users weren't supposed to be able to access a root process |
| 20:46.44 | SplasPood | ioerror: oh hey.. I found pTerminal in the marketyplace the day it was posted |
| 20:46.49 | SplasPood | (troll that pretty hardcore) |
| 20:46.55 | SplasPood | and start doing ls |
| 20:47.00 | SplasPood | first stop was system/bin |
| 20:47.04 | ioerror | i'm really curious how the user and groups system works |
| 20:47.07 | SplasPood | and what jumped out at me but telnetd :) |
| 20:47.09 | ioerror | does anyone know that yet? |
| 20:47.14 | ioerror | SplasPood, i also launched telnetd |
| 20:47.21 | ioerror | but it forked and i didn't think anything of it |
| 20:47.25 | SplasPood | then I did a netstat -an and saw it listening |
| 20:47.27 | ioerror | *whoops* |
| 20:47.29 | SplasPood | yep |
| 20:47.29 | SplasPood | haha |
| 20:47.45 | jeld | tweakt, now we can set root password :) |
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| 20:48.33 | RyeBrye | One thing to be aware of - in case you weren't already aware - the OTA updates between versions reformat /system entirely |
| 20:48.57 | ioerror | RyeBrye, where on the file system does the ota update not touch? |
| 20:49.00 | RyeBrye | so you can't just set up some files on /system and be like "oh, maybe it wont touch this file" - nope... it wipes the whole thing |
| 20:49.00 | tweakt | why the hell would you want your apps to run as root?? |
| 20:49.14 | RyeBrye | ioerror - /data isn't touched afaik |
| 20:49.25 | RyeBrye | unless you tell it to wipe data |
| 20:49.35 | ioerror | RyeBrye, perhaps a good place to put your backdoor |
| 20:49.44 | RyeBrye | Well... yes - but it's mounted nosuid by default |
| 20:49.59 | languish | tweakt, maybe you don't, but.. you want root access to make system modofications of your choosing. |
| 20:50.15 | tweakt | this is pointless anyhow. native code is non-portable. The only use for this I can see is someone hacking firmware and making hardware do stuff it shouldn't |
| 20:50.24 | languish | tweakt, and the crackers can now use tools to attempt to crack the protected parts of the device |
| 20:50.24 | ioerror | RyeBrye, i get the feeling that all the user data and file system mounting options are something useful |
| 20:50.26 | RyeBrye | wah wah wah |
| 20:50.30 | ioerror | tweakt, native code is portable |
| 20:50.37 | ioerror | you can simply recompile it for different devices |
| 20:50.44 | ioerror | i want iptables on my phone |
| 20:50.48 | ioerror | i want tor on my phone |
| 20:51.01 | ioerror | I'm not going to try to rewrite either in java, why bother? |
| 20:51.21 | cworth | tweakt: If I write native code then it's as portable as I can write it. |
| 20:51.34 | tweakt | ioerror, cworth: true... |
| 20:52.03 | cworth | And "linux on my phone" isn't interesting unless I can write code for it. |
| 20:52.04 | tweakt | yeah I hear that. there are a host of existing apps that would be nice to have. but they won't play nice with the rest of the system... but as far as terminal apps go, yeah I could see the usefulness |
| 20:52.08 | RyeBrye | ioerror - the only thing I can think to do would be to rewrite the recovery flasher to take unsigned images - or images that only YOU sign yourself - and then manually tweak any updates to either modify the init.rc script to mount /data as just plain rw without the suid - which would mean you could just leave an su or something sitting in /data/local/bin to get back root whenever - or do to something else |
| 20:52.27 | languish | tweakt, the real question is, why do you have such an issue with what other people want to do with their own phones, besides being asshats that screw with the network, or create viruses |
| 20:52.46 | cworth | (Granted. It's not "my" phone yet---I'd been waiting to see if it was possible to do native development first---but my wife has gone and bought one now so I'm at least poking around.) |
| 20:52.58 | languish | cworth, lol |
| 20:52.59 | tweakt | languish: nothing.... (besides being asshats that screw with the network, or create viruses) |
| 20:53.03 | tweakt | ;-) |
| 20:53.03 | languish | :) |
| 20:53.25 | languish | screwing with the netwok's bound to happen anyway |
| 20:53.32 | languish | the virus thing, now that'll be an issue |
| 20:53.40 | ioerror | virus? |
| 20:53.41 | tweakt | I guess this is inevitable and it will be interesting to see how it's handled by Android/T-Mobile |
| 20:53.43 | ioerror | muhaha |
| 20:54.07 | ioerror | a man that comes from the windows smart phone world, is a man who worries about viruses on android |
| 20:54.17 | ioerror | RyeBrye, i suspect that the sqlite database isn't messed with on upgrade |
| 20:54.20 | ioerror | but i could be wrong |
| 20:54.30 | ioerror | Your wireless network settings stay too, right? |
| 20:54.32 | RyeBrye | ioerror - where is that stored? isn't it on /data? |
| 20:54.34 | ioerror | that's in a file |
| 20:54.47 | ioerror | RyeBrye, well, if the permissons for mounting are in /data... and we can fix it up now |
| 20:54.58 | ioerror | if the answer is in that database, we can change how /data is mounted |
| 20:54.58 | marcone | "*the* sqlite database"? |
| 20:55.10 | RyeBrye | ioerror - permissions for mounting are set on boot in init.rc |
| 20:55.11 | marcone | there's a whole bunch of sqlite databases on the phone :) |
| 20:55.23 | ioerror | i don't have my phone attached but i thought there was one main database in / |
| 20:55.29 | languish | ioerror, well, with average users now potentially accepting permissions for an app that can access root.. yeah.. it's an issue. I'm not worried about it on "my" device, but the glut of potential sms/txt spam.. that concerns me |
| 20:55.30 | ioerror | marcone, no doubt there are many |
| 20:55.51 | ioerror | i am curious to see how long it takes someone to make an app that autoroots the phone |
| 20:55.52 | tweakt | I just don't want to see this to turn into a battle... I suspect Google is wiser than do to so. |
| 20:55.56 | ioerror | it should be possible |
| 20:56.03 | languish | ioerror, yeah I mentioned that earlier |
| 20:56.19 | RyeBrye | Yeah, it would be pretty easy - can't you telnet to localhost? |
| 20:56.24 | ioerror | google will release a hacker friendly (you can flash the firmware yourself) phone eventaully |
| 20:56.27 | ioerror | RyeBrye, yes |
| 20:56.45 | RyeBrye | So... yeah... you could write one - but there are better ways to waste your time |
| 20:56.50 | languish | tweakt, google doesn't have a huge issue with it, other than their legal obligations. |
| 20:56.55 | RyeBrye | ioerror - I'll look more, but I'm reasonably sure it specifically says "Formatting /system" etc |
| 20:56.58 | ioerror | if you have a java app on the phone, you can probably open a connection and execute a few comamnds |
| 20:57.05 | ioerror | RyeBrye, ok |
| 20:57.21 | ioerror | RyeBrye, the number one thing to find is how telnetd is magically setuid |
| 20:57.23 | tweakt | languish, right... oh like the FCC an such. |
| 20:57.42 | languish | tweakt, like t-mobile and htc.. their partners in android |
| 20:57.43 | ioerror | if we find that, i suspect it will tell us a lot and will help us to keep local root |
| 20:57.51 | RyeBrye | ioerror - yeah... swetland knows the answr to that but his lips are apparently sealed until they make some kind of announcement or something |
| 20:57.54 | ioerror | tweakt, the fcc doesn't care if you have root on your cell phone |
| 20:57.55 | tweakt | There is a config file for the wireless driver, it's pretty much 100% configurable. You could do nasty things there I suspect. |
| 20:57.55 | languish | or at leat their partners in the g1 |
| 20:58.06 | ioerror | i can flash my ten year old nokia to reprogram the IMSI |
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| 20:58.28 | tweakt | ioerror, they do if you make the phone start doing things it shouldn't (ie, radios, etc) |
| 20:58.30 | languish | htc doesn't want their firmware cracked, and t-mobile doesn't want so little control of devices on thei network |
| 20:58.31 | RyeBrye | tewakt - no, you can't do nasty things there. this fear is unfounded. you have to hack the radio before you can do nasty things |
| 20:59.09 | ahaberlacho | Also, T-Mobile doesn't want to replace devices, or even deal with the tech support issues, if people brick their devices, or even make subtle changes that cause problems. |
| 20:59.12 | ioerror | tweakt, i don't think that this is happening and i doubt the fcc cares about people on irc with root on the phone |
| 20:59.12 | tweakt | RyeBrye, don't you think that will come next? I'm not familiar with other platforms so I'm just speculating obviously |
| 20:59.15 | languish | RyeBrye, nasty things includes reading a users contacts, uploading said contacts to a db, and sms/txt/email span from said contacts |
| 20:59.22 | languish | so yeah, nasty things can be done |
| 20:59.29 | ioerror | languish, no one is stopped from cracking up htc firmware in ida pro |
| 20:59.31 | tweakt | ioerror, agree 100% on 2nd point |
| 20:59.46 | languish | ioerror, yeah, never saif anyone's being stopped :) |
| 21:00.06 | RyeBrye | HTC's firmware hasn't been cracked yet - this is all in the OS level we're playing aroudn now |
| 21:00.17 | languish | though, for the crackers in here.. i suggest not discussing actually doing the cracking in here, if you live in the USA.. DNCA will get you. |
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| 21:00.45 | languish | (using the telnetd root method is not cracking) |
| 21:00.49 | Dougie187 | especially since this channel is logged now... |
| 21:00.54 | languish | hahah |
| 21:00.55 | RyeBrye | Languish: tell that to a judge! :) |
| 21:00.57 | languish | "now" |
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| 21:01.05 | Dougie187 | now all the way back a year or so |
| 21:01.10 | languish | notRyeBrye, lol yeah srsly |
| 21:01.13 | notRyeBrye | yes, because IRC logs are so goign to hold up in court |
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| 21:01.43 | languish | RyeBrye, no, but people say/do things that can get them tracked back |
| 21:01.44 | vol | hey, the RIAA's "evidence" in the form of screenshots work... |
| 21:01.49 | RyeBrye | Yeah |
| 21:01.51 | vol | screenshots of IP addresses |
| 21:02.13 | languish | often people are tracked down through their associates more than directly themselves |
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| 21:02.27 | jimp | ioerror: I've been trying to figure out how it gets root but had no luck... |
| 21:02.38 | ioerror | jimp, have you explored any of the sqlite databases? |
| 21:02.40 | languish | "oh hi ladidadidodo, how are you?" and ladidadidodo just happens to be easily trackable |
| 21:02.48 | ioerror | i think i'm going to pull them off my phone and start digging through them with python |
| 21:02.53 | jimp | My initial guess was that they only set the euid when calling external apps, and forgot to clear real uid or saved uid. |
| 21:03.04 | ioerror | jimp, curious |
| 21:03.12 | jimp | But that doesn't seem to be the case... when I run p-terminal, ruid+euid+suid+rgid+egid+sgid are all 10040 |
| 21:03.18 | ioerror | if that's the case, we can test that by building a small C program that preints getresuid() |
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| 21:03.23 | jimp | That's what I did |
| 21:03.24 | ioerror | and then getresgid() |
| 21:03.44 | jimp | (I don't just pull these results out of my ass :) ) |
| 21:03.44 | ioerror | jimp, you did build a program that fetches all of that? awesome |
| 21:03.51 | ioerror | jimp++ |
| 21:03.54 | languish | i just think they were laughing their collective asses off over how long it took to be discovered |
| 21:03.59 | languish | hiding in plain sight |
| 21:04.09 | jimp | http://rafb.net/p/IbTDzU66.html |
| 21:04.19 | ioerror | jimp, so i'm thinking it's possibly hard coded |
| 21:04.35 | languish | hey |
| 21:04.42 | languish | have you guys determined which core it runs on? |
| 21:04.42 | RyeBrye | don't we have the source for telnetd that is on the phone? |
| 21:04.51 | ioerror | RyeBrye, yes, of course |
| 21:04.56 | ioerror | RyeBrye, but telnetd isn't special |
| 21:05.00 | RyeBrye | right |
| 21:05.05 | languish | IS there a way to determin which core a process runs on in the g1? |
| 21:05.06 | ioerror | it's the calling context, which apparently is also not special :-/ |
| 21:05.25 | RyeBrye | oh - gotcha - you guys are following it up the chain |
| 21:05.30 | jimp | BTW, I tried to build native apps with the android prebuilt toolchain for a while and had no luck. |
| 21:05.39 | cworth | jimp: What are you using for compiling a C program for the g1? |
| 21:05.39 | RyeBrye | Yeah, I gave up on that too |
| 21:05.41 | jimp | Super-easy method: apt-get install emdebian-tools ; emsetup --arch armel ; gcc -static -o uid uid.c |
| 21:05.49 | jimp | I mean, arm-linux-gnueabi-gcc -static -o uid uid.c |
| 21:05.49 | cworth | jimp: Perfect. Thanks. |
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| 21:06.37 | ioerror | jimp, are you on lenny? |
| 21:06.41 | jimp | ioerror: yeah |
| 21:06.53 | ioerror | i wonder if ther'es a backport |
| 21:07.09 | ioerror | nope |
| 21:07.12 | jimp | just install lenny in a chroot or vm or something, if you don't want to run it natively |
| 21:07.20 | ioerror | yeah, i'll probably do that |
| 21:07.32 | jimp | or I can compile stuff for you |
| 21:07.45 | ioerror | i can compile it on another lenny machine, my laptop is etch though |
| 21:07.50 | meoblast001 | google is rated best company to work for |
| 21:07.55 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 21:08.03 | ioerror | sadly, i also have 1GB of disk free or i'd just use a chroot |
| 21:08.08 | Dougie187 | thank you for that information |
| 21:08.25 | meoblast001 | microsoft is 86th cuz they suck |
| 21:08.28 | cworth | needs to do some social engineering with his wife to get telnetd running again... |
| 21:08.38 | meoblast001 | i want to work for Google one day |
| 21:08.44 | Dougie187 | good luck |
| 21:08.51 | meoblast001 | what are the requirements |
| 21:09.00 | Dougie187 | you have to be awesome |
| 21:09.01 | meoblast001 | im pushing for a 4.0 in High School now |
| 21:09.07 | Dougie187 | and love donuts |
| 21:09.08 | Dougie187 | and flowers |
| 21:09.15 | meoblast001 | and i frequently practice Linux and programming |
| 21:09.17 | Dougie187 | also you have to be able to run through walls |
| 21:09.20 | DannyB | i want to work for google one day |
| 21:09.26 | DannyB | but all i have is this stupid legal degree |
| 21:09.27 | DannyB | and CS degree |
| 21:09.33 | DannyB | i don't think i can make it through interviews |
| 21:09.35 | meoblast001 | and i can get a server setup in 4 hours from putting the cd in to having a full LAMP |
| 21:09.38 | andyross | jimp: The prebuilt toolchain works fine, but the bionic libc requires special flags. |
| 21:10.14 | languish | DannyB, heh. was there word on that app naming issue? |
| 21:10.44 | Dougie187 | meoblast001: just go look at the job requirements on their sites |
| 21:10.45 | meoblast001 | although i dont intend to ever work for any company for a long time.... as i plan to start my own company when i am financially stable sometime after college |
| 21:11.06 | wastrel | hi |
| 21:11.08 | Dougie187 | what is your company going to do? |
| 21:11.09 | jimp | andyross: I know, I fooled with it enough to get things hobbling along but emdebian-tools is so much easier. |
| 21:11.25 | SplasPood | jimp: ubuntu happen to have an equiv package? |
| 21:11.27 | meoblast001 | software |
| 21:11.40 | Dougie187 | software is a broad spectrum. |
| 21:11.41 | meoblast001 | i try to do as much as i can now for my "company" but im only a teenager so development is slow |
| 21:11.46 | meoblast001 | www.mysticgalaxies.com |
| 21:11.53 | DannyB | languish: the official word is marketing is working on it. They haven't quite decided what to do. I have obviously explained to them how wildly stupid it would be to try to force people to change names :) |
| 21:11.59 | andyross | But that's still a static link, isn't it? Unless you're doing native code for compute-bound stuff only, you want bionic integration to be able to hit the native libraries. |
| 21:12.05 | ahaberlacho | 's job once included building the CD that brought up a LAMP-style system from boot in about 5 minutes. |
| 21:12.09 | DannyB | languish: let me ping them again |
| 21:12.20 | ahaberlacho | Although we used PostgreSQL intead of MySQL. |
| 21:12.20 | cworth | balked at the click-through legalese and didn't get any further than that with pre-built stuff from google |
| 21:12.36 | jimp | SplasPood: Seems it was removed? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/emdebian-tools/+bug/250309 |
| 21:12.36 | languish | DannyB, lol. nod :) they can reallys pin this to their advantage, if only they "get it" |
| 21:12.45 | SplasPood | jimp: yea looks that way |
| 21:14.23 | meoblast001 | Dougie187: what do you think |
| 21:14.36 | Dougie187 | you don't have much |
| 21:15.28 | Dougie187 | it doesn't seem like a serious company. it looks like something a couple highschoolers through together. |
| 21:15.46 | Disconnect | Dougie187: ..it is i thought |
| 21:15.50 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 21:15.50 | DannyB | languish: it looks like use of droid would still be out, but use of oid would not :) |
| 21:15.50 | Dougie187 | true. |
| 21:16.07 | Dougie187 | Disconnect: but he wants this to be his software company after college. |
| 21:16.13 | meoblast001 | try 1 highschooler for the most part |
| 21:16.23 | meoblast001 | no no no... im talking.. like 5 years after college or so |
| 21:16.25 | DannyB | languish: i was told they were going to do something "early this week", and just pinged them since i've seen nothing |
| 21:16.30 | meoblast001 | after im financially stable enough |
| 21:16.34 | languish | DannyB, i realy don't see how they think they can protect droid in any reasonable manner. yeesh. |
| 21:16.50 | languish | +l |
| 21:16.51 | DannyB | i'm with you on that |
| 21:16.52 | DannyB | but |
| 21:16.54 | Dougie187 | meoblast001: are any of your projects complete? |
| 21:16.58 | Disconnect | and you elevator statement needs to talk as if you already had projects. not "we do development for end users" (.. as opposed to giraffes?) "we wnat to do this, and that, and the toher thing.. oh and we sell website templates") |
| 21:16.59 | meoblast001 | not really lol |
| 21:17.23 | meoblast001 | there is one that never will because i dont have Windows anymore |
| 21:17.37 | meoblast001 | an i lost the source code in the big mess i call a switch =P |
| 21:17.44 | meoblast001 | but the software works |
| 21:17.45 | Dougie187 | then you might just take it down. |
| 21:17.52 | meoblast001 | and is a good basic media player |
| 21:18.02 | meoblast001 | doesnt use up too much resources and plays MP3's fine |
| 21:18.19 | languish | DannyB, by granting a limited license under specific terms for the general use ANDxxx/XXXDroid, they can do a heck of a lot of good for themselves, AND lock in the protection they want |
| 21:18.23 | meoblast001 | if i was still working on it today.. it would be beastly |
| 21:18.54 | Dougie187 | i take it this "server" is at your house? |
| 21:19.09 | languish | because by granting a limited licence, they aren't having their IP diluted so broadly, and can go after the worst offenders |
| 21:19.10 | DannyB | languish: again, i'm with you, and i've made this argument. Sometimes i get overruled :) |
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| 21:19.24 | languish | DannyB, i know man, not harping on you ;) |
| 21:19.34 | languish | just making suggestions |
| 21:19.36 | meoblast001 | Dougie187, i take it your having problems with my ISP speed =P |
| 21:19.38 | DannyB | languish: we'll see. i've forwarded it on to others to try to convince them as well |
| 21:19.39 | meoblast001 | and yes |
| 21:19.42 | languish | which of course you've likely covered |
| 21:19.56 | languish | is not a lawyer |
| 21:20.00 | Dougie187 | meoblast001: no, more the ip.... having :8080 appended to anything gives me an idea of whats going on |
| 21:20.08 | meoblast001 | oh yeah |
| 21:20.09 | meoblast001 | lol |
| 21:20.38 | meoblast001 | i had to call up Armstrong Cable and give them the million questions |
| 21:20.49 | meoblast001 | asking about the terms of service |
| 21:20.55 | meoblast001 | and what ports are blocked |
| 21:21.00 | languish | DannyB, does this in some way also cover the people using public blogs with "droid" in them, or email addresses/domains? |
| 21:21.25 | Disconnect | meoblast001: you've kinda got 2 choices right now. you can either take that down and camp on it (and then later unveil the professional site) or you can get that one into top shape and hope that having it idle so long (and on the wrong port, etc etc) doesn't end up screwing you later when you go to start the business for real. |
| 21:21.52 | Dougie187 | Disconnect: i agree. |
| 21:22.01 | meoblast001 | well... current development focus is in 2 areas |
| 21:22.05 | meoblast001 | getting mOX to stable |
| 21:22.17 | meoblast001 | and working on a Debian based Linux distrobution |
| 21:22.18 | languish | DannyB, for example an android enthusiast that uses the domain "SuperDroid.com" with a blog called "AndPowers" |
| 21:22.19 | Dougie187 | meoblast001: hes talking about the web site i believe... since it doesn't seem professional. |
| 21:22.28 | meoblast001 | sadly... im the only "development" in the focus |
| 21:22.35 | Disconnect | you're not hearing me though. nothign to do with the software or the projects or anything. its -everything- to do with the website and what its going to say about your company long after this version is gone.. |
| 21:23.03 | meoblast001 | yeah.. i have some big updates planned |
| 21:23.17 | meoblast001 | its slightly a mess of past and future right now |
| 21:23.22 | DannyB | languish: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 21:23.28 | DannyB | languish: have to think about that |
| 21:23.32 | meoblast001 | i used to be very involved with Adobe Flash stuff and FL Studio stuff |
| 21:23.37 | Dougie187 | meoblast001: he is saying, remove the website, and put it back when it gets cleaned up. Or focus on getting it into top shape right now. |
| 21:23.44 | meoblast001 | now its more of a hobby and im focussing my site toward the software instead of the portals |
| 21:23.48 | Dougie187 | meoblast001: also, do you really think you need all of the features you have? like a forum? |
| 21:24.18 | meoblast001 | i _will_ need a form when we push the linux distro out |
| 21:24.49 | Dougie187 | meoblast001: sure, but it might be better suited after you get to the point to where you are even developing the distro. and even then, you will probably have different topics you will want to have in your forums |
| 21:25.11 | Dougie187 | im just noticing how now, your forum contains a lot of topics, most of with have no replies in them, and the few that do have like 2 replies. |
| 21:25.15 | meoblast001 | another focus i have is to get more developers |
| 21:25.16 | meoblast001 | 1 person cant operate a whole "company" lol |
| 21:25.16 | languish | DannyB, please let me know if there's an official google stance on it sometime :) |
| 21:25.24 | DannyB | will do |
| 21:25.25 | DannyB | :) |
| 21:26.00 | Dougie187 | meoblast001: sure. But noone wants to work for a company that can't pay them and isn't professional. unless they are highschoolers with high hopes like you. |
| 21:26.04 | meoblast001 | you guys are convincing me to shift focus to website improvement for next week |
| 21:26.17 | meoblast001 | thats why i dont usually call it a company |
| 21:26.26 | Dougie187 | meoblast001: but you want it to be a company. |
| 21:26.28 | meoblast001 | i usually say its an organization that will one day be a company |
| 21:26.45 | Dougie187 | ok, well organizations are more professional than this.. if they are serious |
| 21:26.50 | meoblast001 | right now its free stuff and volunteer time kind of thing |
| 21:27.10 | Dougie187 | i would also consider taking down most of the things you have on the site... since most of it would turn off people who actually want to support your organization. |
| 21:27.11 | meoblast001 | if any money is made in the process, it will be distributed among all active members |
| 21:27.54 | meoblast001 | yeah now that i looked at my website closely im gonna have to shift focus to website improvement |
| 21:28.04 | Disconnect | and you are totally in teh wrong place to be asking anyway.. |
| 21:28.16 | meoblast001 | i'll do some forums improvement right now cuz that's easy |
| 21:28.20 | languish | meoblast001, do you have a lawyer helping you? |
| 21:28.20 | meoblast001 | i dont know how we got on this topic |
| 21:28.32 | meoblast001 | languish, when i go pro |
| 21:28.32 | meoblast001 | =P |
| 21:28.32 | Dougie187 | ...i was trying to say you should ditch your forum. |
| 21:28.53 | languish | meoblast001, you're already publishing, get legal help now. |
| 21:29.01 | thoraxe | what website? |
| 21:29.10 | Dougie187 | http://m.mysticgalaxies.com:8080/index.html |
| 21:29.11 | meoblast001 | www.mysticgalaxies.com |
| 21:29.19 | meoblast001 | languish, if you're willing to do it for free =P |
| 21:29.27 | languish | meoblast001, as soon as you put it on the web, you're published and liable. |
| 21:29.27 | Dougie187 | anyways. im out |
| 21:29.31 | languish | meoblast001, I'm not a lawyer |
| 21:29.32 | Dougie187 | have fun |
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| 21:29.37 | meoblast001 | time for some forum clean up |
| 21:29.38 | meoblast001 | =) |
| 21:29.55 | meoblast001 | oh yeah.. i know im liable for what i publish |
| 21:30.11 | ahaberlacho | I suspect that the folks who own the trademark on "TypePad" may have some concerns with one of your products. |
| 21:30.13 | languish | meoblast001, but if you do something on your site that steps on someones toes, or one of your games infringes.. you can end up with some huge bills to pay |
| 21:30.16 | meoblast001 | but i dont intend to do anything wrong.. and i always check with the GNU before messing around with GPL stuff in my software |
| 21:30.55 | languish | meoblast001, it's not just about the code. it's about what you name things, how you describe them, their conetnt.., |
| 21:31.03 | languish | *content |
| 21:31.11 | meoblast001 | ahaberlacho, im about ready to remove that |
| 21:31.21 | meoblast001 | TypePad is very.... simple |
| 21:32.10 | languish | meoblast001, just don't end up oweing a college educations worth of debt, before you even get to college. |
| 21:32.54 | languish | it doesn't matter if you call what you're doing a company or organization, you have no legal protection separating you from your "business" activities |
| 21:33.21 | languish | which means, you can lose your shirt before you can afford to buy one in the first place |
| 21:33.24 | DannyB | if he has an LLP |
| 21:33.28 | DannyB | etc |
| 21:33.32 | languish | trust me, it's no fun. |
| 21:33.35 | DannyB | LLC in this case |
| 21:34.10 | languish | andthere are asshat lawfirms out there that specialize in nailing people like you.. they assume you'll earn money in the future so they try to get you now. |
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| 21:34.25 | languish | DannyB, yes.. he needs one |
| 21:35.03 | meoblast001 | languish, http://m.mysticgalaxies.com:8080/forums/index.php?topic=16 will be updated soon |
| 21:35.28 | languish | meoblast001, there are free legal services just about everywhere in the US ,, dunno if you are.. but.. fidn them.. also find your local small business administration.. do some reading, and get yourself a cheap llc |
| 21:35.57 | meoblast001 | hmm |
| 21:36.04 | meoblast001 | well.. i dont have any people working with me |
| 21:36.04 | languish | and pray some predator doesn't find you before you get it done |
| 21:36.18 | meoblast001 | i feel like im doing everything alone |
| 21:36.27 | meoblast001 | well.... becaue i am for the most part |
| 21:36.38 | meoblast001 | i do all the work and get a bunch of feature requests from freinds |
| 21:36.56 | languish | you use a legal business entity to separate what YOU own, from what your 'business" can lose. |
| 21:36.58 | wastrel | why is there no ebook or offline html reader yet? |
| 21:37.13 | languish | there is an ebook reader, it's crappy |
| 21:37.23 | wastrel | yeah i have it, it hangs opening a book |
| 21:37.25 | languish | also, look on other market sites |
| 21:37.28 | meoblast001 | Incorporation |
| 21:38.01 | languish | meoblast001, go get that free legal advice, to make sure you get the correct type of incorporation. |
| 21:38.16 | languish | good luck :) |
| 21:38.19 | meoblast001 | thanx |
| 21:38.40 | dream_kill | ryebrye : no error on compile here |
| 21:38.48 | languish | meoblast001, find the phone numvber for your local bar association |
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| 21:39.08 | languish | they can direct you to some of the said free advice |
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| 21:40.53 | wastrel | hi dudes |
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| 21:41.05 | languish | right, because there are no dudettes on irc |
| 21:41.08 | languish | :D |
| 21:41.21 | wastrel | i think i need to pull my palm tx out of the drawer until there's a decent option for offline content. |
| 21:41.27 | wastrel | g1 doesn't work in the subway |
| 21:41.27 | vol | no channel where someone says "dudettes" has dudettes. |
| 21:41.38 | meoblast001 | i fell like im working with semi-retarded programs |
| 21:41.52 | languish | volm except this one |
| 21:41.54 | languish | :| |
| 21:42.15 | languish | wastrel, pac-man on my g1 works on the subway just fine for me :P |
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| 21:42.28 | mattgyver83 | can the emulator actually emulate your phone plugged in USB or just the dev testing phone? |
| 21:42.45 | wastrel | yeah i read on the subway |
| 21:42.46 | vol | er... |
| 21:42.49 | vol | mattgyver83: huh? |
| 21:42.54 | streeter | can't even access web site without a WiFi connection. No 3G here (yet) |
| 21:42.54 | vol | the emulator emulates your phone |
| 21:42.56 | vol | (sans updates) |
| 21:43.07 | vol | not a dev device |
| 21:43.12 | meoblast001 | oh no |
| 21:43.23 | meoblast001 | im getting 404's and 403's on half the packages in my repo |
| 21:44.03 | mattgyver83 | vol, when i plug my phone in and try to access it i dont see my phone w/apps. It tells me no devices are found. |
| 21:44.23 | Disconnect | streeter: edge should work fine.. does for me (no 3g at home, just at work and most of my commute. the above-ground bits anyway.) |
| 21:44.34 | Disconnect | mattgyver83: turn on usb debugging |
| 21:44.40 | mattgyver83 | did that. |
| 21:44.47 | streeter | Disconnect: it doesn't seem to. I only get timeouts |
| 21:45.07 | mattgyver83 | then i tryed running adb devices and it tells me nothings found. |
| 21:45.08 | jaakkee | anyone have any luck with wpa2 enterprise? |
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| 21:45.34 | jaakkee | since we got root access i've been trying to get wpa_supplicant/wpa_cli working |
| 21:45.40 | languish | mattgyver83, are you using a usb 2.0 port? and have you tried a different physical port on your machine? |
| 21:45.42 | mattgyver83 | but if i just run the emulator from the /tools/ folder of the SDK then i get an emulator, and it notices that as a device. |
| 21:46.15 | mattgyver83 | languish, yes its 2.0 and ive tried 2 main ones in the front of my pc, ill try those in the back to test. |
| 21:46.29 | languish | yes try the rear ports :) |
| 21:47.38 | Disconnect | mattgyver83: call tmob |
| 21:47.48 | Disconnect | er... |
| 21:47.51 | Disconnect | streeter: call tmob. |
| 21:48.04 | Disconnect | mattgyver83: try more usb ports or something, i dunno, leave me alone :P |
| 21:48.10 | wastrel | rear port |
| 21:49.45 | languish | HAHAHAHHAHAA |
| 21:49.59 | languish | the description in the market for "Background calendar" is hysterical |
| 21:50.26 | languish | "this is NOT a phishing app. Google has my info and can hunt me down if ti si" |
| 21:50.34 | Disconnect | wow thats .. new. |
| 21:50.35 | languish | *it is |
| 21:50.52 | Disconnect | does it request gps location a lot? :) |
| 21:50.56 | mattgyver83 | There is no difference when using the rear ports. |
| 21:51.01 | thoraxe | what's up with the salesforce app |
| 21:51.04 | languish | google calendar password :) |
| 21:51.11 | Disconnect | yah |
| 21:51.39 | DannyB | languish: so i got an answer |
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| 21:51.51 | cbeust__ | Languish: yes, we know exactly where you are and what you are doing |
| 21:51.57 | cbeust__ | And by the way, stop picking your nose |
| 21:52.19 | DannyB | there will be a link to a form for permission to use droid in the name, so they can evaluate it, rather than outright banning it |
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| 21:53.01 | vol | mattgyver83: linux or window |
| 21:53.02 | vol | s |
| 21:53.06 | mattgyver83 | vol linux |
| 21:53.07 | languish | cbeust__, I was picking my ass :| |
| 21:53.12 | vol | if linux, adb kill-server; sudo adb start-server; |
| 21:53.21 | cbeust__ | I know, I didn't want to embarrass you in front of everyone |
| 21:53.22 | vol | adb server needs to be root to see the device |
| 21:53.31 | vol | there's a way to do it as a user but I forget how : ( |
| 21:53.31 | jaakkee | no news on 802.1X? |
| 21:53.32 | languish | cbeust__, I have no shame. carry on :) |
| 21:53.41 | Chainfire | DannyB> just walked in.. what you talking about? do you need googles permission to use android in the name of your product ? |
| 21:53.42 | languish | DannyB hmmm |
| 21:53.49 | vol | Chainfire: yes |
| 21:53.56 | vol | you can use the android graphic as much as you want, though |
| 21:53.57 | Chainfire | wow |
| 21:54.00 | languish | Chainfire, or a derivitive of the word android. |
| 21:54.00 | jaakkee | i figured that since root access that would be a big first thing to try |
| 21:54.04 | vol | you just can't imply that OHA endorses your app |
| 21:54.15 | Chainfire | so BlaaaaAndroidBlaBla is not allowed ? |
| 21:54.16 | vol | (unless they actually do, of course) |
| 21:54.17 | meoblast001 | i need to use more google applications |
| 21:54.23 | meoblast001 | Google Earth wont work on my machine |
| 21:54.29 | mattgyver83 | vol when trying to run sudo it told me adb: command not found, however i could run it w/o sudo... |
| 21:54.33 | meoblast001 | i dont take enough pictures to use Picasa |
| 21:54.39 | languish | Chainfire, CandyDroid isn't even permitted, although now they're considering it |
| 21:54.49 | vol | mattgyver83: get the path for adb, set it as root, try again? |
| 21:54.52 | vol | sudo bash :P |
| 21:54.55 | Chainfire | lmao |
| 21:55.07 | Chainfire | ever minute i am here Android gets less and less attractive. |
| 21:55.09 | languish | google likes candy, if it's wholesome and natural :D |
| 21:55.49 | vol | Chainfire: If that's your biggest criteria for development..... |
| 21:55.49 | languish | btw |
| 21:55.57 | Chainfire | isn't Android a common enough word to be banned from that sort of BS ? |
| 21:56.05 | cbeust__ | Chainfire: because you can't use the word Android? You can always go and try to release a "Windows wiki" and see how Microsoft feels about it... |
| 21:56.11 | Chainfire | it's in the dictionary you know :) |
| 21:56.16 | languish | I'm just waiting for google and star wars to collide. because lucas has had some serious protections on the word droid |
| 21:56.28 | cbeust__ | Chainfire: so is Windows |
| 21:56.33 | languish | Chainfire, and apple :| |
| 21:56.44 | languish | Ip law sucks |
| 21:56.49 | vol | languish: google has some serious lawyers |
| 21:56.52 | Chainfire | ehm yeah, but Microsoft doesnt complain I use Windows Mobile or WM in my apps names. |
| 21:57.11 | languish | vol, yeah, but star wars has more serious fanboys lol |
| 21:57.17 | cbeust__ | Chainfire: just because they don't doesn't mean they legally can't |
| 21:57.33 | languish | you don't see people going around halloween dressed as the big G very often |
| 21:57.47 | languish | although olivia munn gave it a shot as the G1 |
| 21:57.51 | languish | :/ |
| 21:58.11 | DannyB | i dressed up as my stock options |
| 21:58.14 | languish | and she really really shouldn't have |
| 21:58.17 | DannyB | my pants were pretty low |
| 21:58.21 | mattgyver83 | vol, now i get a device listed |
| 21:58.25 | Chainfire | cbeust__ mwah while that may be true, it's still silly |
| 21:58.37 | cbeust__ | Chainfire: it's complex |
| 21:58.38 | languish | DannyB, yeah, but it depends on when you got in your pants |
| 21:58.40 | Chainfire | ... like not having root :) |
| 21:58.45 | vol | mattgyver83: there you go? :P |
| 21:58.48 | languish | :| |
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| 21:59.06 | mattgyver83 | Thanks a lot :D this is my first venture into this. |
| 21:59.15 | Chainfire | so where's this form at? or is it not yet around? |
| 21:59.25 | DannyB | not around yet. should be updated in the next day or so |
| 21:59.45 | DannyB | they are still setting up the queue that the form feeds to :) |
| 22:00.27 | Chainfire | heh |
| 22:00.53 | mowgli | has anyone tried debugging the apps/framework thro eclipse? |
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| 22:01.01 | languish | holy crap, did something I ask get google to act? wtf is this world coming to? |
| 22:01.16 | languish | businesses aren't supposed to operate like this |
| 22:01.19 | languish | you people are crazy |
| 22:01.39 | jbq | languish: we could also ignore you, but it's not as satisfying. |
| 22:01.40 | Chainfire | its all about asking the right people |
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| 22:02.06 | languish | jbq just intimated that I'm satisfying. woo! |
| 22:02.16 | cbeust__ | jbq intimates a lot. |
| 22:02.23 | vol | Argh. Isn't SD Card access by USB supposed to be available for windows yet? |
| 22:02.37 | languish | i meant inferred but hey |
| 22:03.03 | languish | we're all adults here, except for you, and you, and him... |
| 22:03.04 | Disconnect | vol: it should just show as usb storage, no mess no fuss |
| 22:03.27 | vol | ugh, it's not. |
| 22:03.35 | vol | where's the option I should know about by know on the phone... |
| 22:03.42 | languish | vol, what RC version do you have? |
| 22:03.45 | vol | do I have to disable debugging via USB? |
| 22:03.50 | vol | uh, 28? lemme check |
| 22:04.01 | languish | no you don't have to disable debugging |
| 22:04.10 | Disconnect | vol: no (although it sometimes helps) but there is an option for showing as usb storage. and in rc28/29 there is a notification for mount/unmount |
| 22:04.12 | vol | 29 |
| 22:04.21 | vol | yeah, I get the USB mount notification on the phone |
| 22:04.27 | mowgli | jbq: can someone from you team lehp with debugging the app/framework code thro eclipse. I am able to build the source tree in eclipse. but i am not able to attach the debugger to the emulator |
| 22:04.29 | Disconnect | and you said mount? |
| 22:04.29 | mowgli | any help on this |
| 22:04.34 | vol | Disconnect: where's the USB storage option? |
| 22:04.42 | vol | I think I disabled this in a fit of rage a couple weeks ago |
| 22:04.49 | vol | trying to get USB debugging working |
| 22:05.02 | languish | vol, look in settings.. sd card/storage.. |
| 22:05.40 | vol | my options are "unmount/eject" and "reset to factory storage" |
| 22:05.45 | Disconnect | yah it changed in rc29 |
| 22:06.00 | languish | ahh yeah it's gone |
| 22:06.10 | vol | what should I do? does it always mount or never mount or what. |
| 22:06.14 | languish | damn stop chaning menus on me |
| 22:06.17 | languish | *changing |
| 22:06.32 | vol | I can always take the card out and plug it in directly, but that's a pain... |
| 22:06.38 | languish | vol, it should always mount when you plug it in and get the mount option and choose it |
| 22:06.57 | vol | ... even when I've installed the USB driver for developers? |
| 22:07.03 | Disconnect | yep |
| 22:07.04 | languish | yes |
| 22:07.06 | vol | wait, mount option |
| 22:07.07 | vol | ah |
| 22:07.11 | vol | do I have to click the notification? |
| 22:07.12 | languish | i'm suing it with rc29 rigth now |
| 22:07.13 | Disconnect | ...yes |
| 22:07.16 | languish | *using |
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| 22:07.21 | languish | yes |
| 22:08.24 | vol | well, that's the piece I was missing |
| 22:08.24 | Disconnect | "and in rc29 there is a notification...you said mount?" |
| 22:08.24 | SplasPood | vol: I believe there is a driver for windows |
| 22:08.24 | vol | there we go |
| 22:08.25 | vol | SplasPood: Yes, I installed it :) |
| 22:08.26 | vol | thanks, that seems to do it. |
| 22:08.26 | SplasPood | vol: I had to do the some stuff for.. ah ok then no clue ;) |
| 22:08.26 | languish | i actually preferred the old way |
| 22:08.28 | Disconnect | i hated the old way. it'd be nice if you could set an option tho. |
| 22:08.28 | languish | nod |
| 22:08.32 | vol | I agree with disconnect. |
| 22:08.32 | Disconnect | i dig through all my old boxes looking for a charge-only usb cable cuz the old way pissed me off |
| 22:08.40 | languish | heh |
| 22:08.40 | vol | Or at least if it was something in the SD options that let you say "oops, I really meant mount this" |
| 22:09.10 | SplasPood | yea I'm with disco on this |
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| 22:13.06 | vol | So, does anyone else have trouble debugging from the device? |
| 22:13.12 | vol | My debugger never ever attaches. |
| 22:14.25 | jasta | vol: read the debugging on device section of the getting started page. |
| 22:14.34 | jasta | you must specify that your app is debuggable in the apk |
| 22:14.36 | jbq | have you indicated in your manifest that your application is debuggable? |
| 22:14.40 | vol | argh fuck |
| 22:14.43 | jasta | and also, make sure you are attaching to the right process if you have multiple |
| 22:14.44 | vol | why is that not the default |
| 22:14.46 | vol | why why why |
| 22:14.49 | jasta | because it shouldnt be the default |
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| 22:15.07 | vol | why doesn't pressing "debug" when going to a device not say "hey jackass the manifest says it's not debuggable" |
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| 22:15.37 | fadden | vol: it's a missing feature. |
| 22:16.15 | fadden | Should get added at some point. |
| 22:18.05 | Disconnect | so just ooc why -did- google reinvent the wheel with the shell env instead of just building a tiny busybox and using that? |
| 22:18.25 | Disconnect | (toolkit or whatever its called) |
| 22:18.27 | ahaberlacho | I believe it had to do with licensing. |
| 22:18.32 | npelly | for one, busybox is not APACHE licensed |
| 22:18.48 | Chainfire | is all the code in the Android tree Apache? no GPL stuff? |
| 22:19.03 | fadden | The kernel is GPL. |
| 22:19.04 | jbq | other than the kernel, as much as we possibly can. |
| 22:19.12 | Disconnect | neither is dropbear or openssl.. |
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| 22:19.24 | Disconnect | i'd bet a TON of external/ is under non-apache licensing. |
| 22:19.29 | jbq | webkit is the elephant in the room. |
| 22:19.46 | npelly | busybox is optional, the stuff in external/ is not |
| 22:20.04 | fadden | In the git sources: ls external/*/MODULE* |
| 22:20.15 | fadden | That'll give you a quick summary of what's whta. |
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| 22:20.58 | Disconnect | you could have rewritten basically any of that stuff. i'm just wondering why that in particular when there is a tried-and-true (and commercial-friendly) alternative |
| 22:21.10 | mowgli | I am able to build the root/development/ide/.classpath in eclipse. |
| 22:21.11 | mowgli | There was a bug in the .classpath file which was causing numerous |
| 22:21.11 | mowgli | errors. The following line was missing in the .classpath: |
| 22:21.11 | mowgli | <classpathentry kind="lib" path="out/target/common/obj/JAVA_LIBRARIES/ |
| 22:21.11 | mowgli | framework_intermediates/javalib.jar"/> |
| 22:21.12 | mowgli | If I try to attach the debugger with the emulator as a remote java |
| 22:21.14 | mowgli | application at localhost:5554 it fails to connect the the VM with |
| 22:21.16 | mowgli | "Handshake failed". Can someone explain how you would initiate the |
| 22:21.18 | mowgli | debugger from eclipse to step thro the app/framework code? |
| 22:21.30 | Disconnect | thats less brain-damaged :) (and no i'm not talking about "oh no ls and grep and awk and.. is missing" brain damaged but behaves-incorrectly brain-damaged) |
| 22:21.49 | Disconnect | mowgli: i'll give you $1 to pry the enter key off your kb and set it on fire |
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| 22:22.03 | mowgli | :) |
| 22:22.12 | Disconnect | isn't kidding |
| 22:22.28 | mowgli | disconnect: andropologies |
| 22:22.39 | fadden | localhost:5554 ? |
| 22:22.56 | Disconnect | mowgli: careful, you need to file some as-yet-not-completed form before you can use andro* or google might sue. ;) |
| 22:23.22 | mowgli | fadden: the emulator is running at port 554 |
| 22:23.24 | mowgli | 5554 |
| 22:23.30 | fadden | You don't connect your debugger to the emulator. |
| 22:23.41 | mowgli | disconnnect: androccepted |
| 22:23.46 | languish | where should google sue when they can just dispatch a team of white, blue, reg, yelolow and green ninjas to end you |
| 22:23.51 | mowgli | fadden: enligten me |
| 22:23.52 | fadden | You connect it to the port provided by DDMS or the Eclipse plugin. |
| 22:24.02 | languish | where/why |
| 22:24.03 | languish | :| |
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| 22:24.33 | bloo | anyone play around with autocompletetextbox |
| 22:24.44 | fadden | mowgli: http://code.google.com/android/intro/develop-and-debug.html |
| 22:24.52 | bloo | i set enoughtofilter to always return true |
| 22:25.30 | mowgli | fadden: have you tried it? basically i launched the emulator built with the open source and built the java project from the classpath provided in theopen source |
| 22:25.41 | bloo | but unless i type something then backspace it wont display the drop down list even if i call showdropdown |
| 22:26.13 | fadden | mowgli: I tried it several times. (You have no idea.) |
| 22:26.18 | Disconnect | languish: cuz gas is expensive but paper is cheap. |
| 22:26.24 | Disconnect | and if you buy a judge its the gift that just keeps giving.. |
| 22:26.47 | fadden | You should be connecting to 8700 for the current app, or 86xx for a specific app. |
| 22:26.51 | cmonex | Disconnect: i wasnt here, any news on hacking to flash unsigned fw? |
| 22:26.54 | fadden | Where "current app" means "the app selected in DDMS". |
| 22:27.22 | cmonex | ttuttle - i sent you a pm |
| 22:27.31 | cmonex | just a simple question |
| 22:27.34 | cmonex | maybe someone else can answer it too |
| 22:27.53 | languish | Disconnect, yeah i guess, and pissed off but living people generate more content for google to absrob |
| 22:27.54 | mowgli | fadden: i believe these instructions are for debugging an app with the SDK |
| 22:28.01 | Disconnect | cmonex: not afail but i haven't looked at how hard it'll be to quiesce the mtd layer yet |
| 22:28.19 | Disconnect | mowgli: what are you debugging the app with? giraffes? |
| 22:28.23 | fadden | mowgli: interaction between the debugger and an app are the same for SDK / source and emulator / device. |
| 22:28.31 | cmonex | Disconnect i got ideas other than mtd |
| 22:28.36 | cmonex | but i dont have a g1 to try on |
| 22:28.41 | mowgli | Disconnect: LOL |
| 22:28.43 | cmonex | is there a crosscompiler yet? |
| 22:28.44 | fadden | We tried very hard to conceal the differences. |
| 22:29.07 | Disconnect | cmonex: part of the platform build |
| 22:29.24 | cmonex | and you can compile your own c programs at will? |
| 22:29.43 | fadden | cmonex: you can compile the entire platform at will. |
| 22:29.44 | Disconnect | fadden: btw that ls is pretty enlightening. although it still doesn't answer why toolkit was used :) |
| 22:29.52 | mowgli | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/c0fd3d1a7dd969c9/d5673a7da6c91e1d |
| 22:30.28 | mowgli | fadden: can you thro me some gyan how to proceed from here? |
| 22:30.58 | mowgli | Disconnect: see my girrafe above |
| 22:31.02 | cmonex | so |
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| 22:31.15 | fadden | mowgli: getting the classpath set up and pointing at the sources isn't useful if you're connecting to the wrong debug port. The VM doesn't live there. |
| 22:31.20 | Disconnect | what you can't do is sign it with the signature that the bootloader wants |
| 22:31.25 | cmonex | my question to ttuttle or to anyone with eng device was: when your g1 is in tricolour screen (bootloader with camera + power), whats the exact version it reports on the screen? |
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| 22:31.38 | fadden | The URL I posted above has the basic debugger setup instructions. |
| 22:31.50 | fadden | If you don't have or want to use the ADT plugin, use the stand-alone DDMS. |
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| 22:34.41 | mowgli | fadden: I dont want to see Logd messages printed in the ddms. My intention is to step thro framework the code in eclipse IDE |
| 22:35.30 | eldenz | disable debug messages? |
| 22:35.31 | fadden | mowgli: there are probably 10 different VMs running on your device. You only want to debug one of them. How do you pick which one to debug? |
| 22:35.39 | fadden | (Answer: you pick it out of the list in DDMS.) |
| 22:36.19 | fadden | DDMS is a debugger switch-board. It connects a debugger to a VM. (Technically, it can handle multiple debuggers talking to different VMs all at once.) |
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| 22:36.48 | fadden | It also carries on side conversations for things like heap and thread status. |
| 22:36.56 | Disconnect | cmonex: bootloader is reportedly inviolate from inside linux |
| 22:36.57 | bloo | ooooh i got a cool new feature! umph! |
| 22:37.11 | bloo | tappableautocompletetextview, if you tap into it, it starts the autocomplete! |
| 22:37.52 | cmonex | inviolate means? |
| 22:38.25 | cmonex | hmm nvm i used a dictionary |
| 22:38.31 | cmonex | (not a native speaker) |
| 22:38.43 | cmonex | but what does this mean in this context? |
| 22:42.10 | mowgli | fadden: i just reimaged my machine and am not able to run ddms. libswt-pi-gtk-3232.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS32 (Possible cause: architecture word width mismatch) |
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| 22:43.20 | fadden | mowgli: you need to run DDMS or the ADT plugin for Eclipse. Otherwise there's no way to set up the communication bridge through adb. |
| 22:43.24 | Chainfire | cmonex i think he means you cant touch bootloader from android |
| 22:43.44 | mattgyver83 | ls |
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| 22:43.52 | Disconnect | cmonex: means it cannot be altered |
| 22:43.59 | cmonex | BS :) |
| 22:44.11 | cmonex | it is in the same nand as the system |
| 22:44.11 | chronographer | Hi all. Anyone know if I can install android on a grenphone? |
| 22:44.19 | chronographer | *qtopia greenphone |
| 22:44.29 | cmonex | and the radio isn't protecting that part of the nand where the SPL is |
| 22:44.38 | cmonex | it only protects itself (radio image and radio bootloader) |
| 22:46.01 | Disconnect | its /dev/block/mtdblock0. its unreadable from inside the system. haven't had a lot of time to look into why (gotta get my cross-compilers running and then get mtd-utils ported) |
| 22:46.21 | cmonex | the SPL is at 0x2400000 in the nand |
| 22:46.23 | cmonex | nothing special |
| 22:46.36 | cmonex | if you take the radio.img you can see that from the partition config :) |
| 22:46.53 | cmonex | of course you have to use something lower level than mtd to access iz |
| 22:46.55 | cmonex | it* |
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| 22:48.23 | rami | ttuttle, dude! UI did it :) |
| 22:48.36 | rami | ttuttle, its unlocked, I used another carrier Zain |
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| 22:49.24 | Disconnect | rami: congrats :) |
| 22:50.05 | cmonex | btw |
| 22:50.12 | rami | Disconnect, thanks man!! |
| 22:50.13 | cmonex | i call the code that shows the tricolour screen as SPL |
| 22:50.18 | cmonex | to make it clearer |
| 22:51.31 | bloo | anyoe got a clue how to receive an email like recieving a sms? |
| 22:51.54 | jeld | bloo, ??? |
| 22:52.25 | bloo | programmatically |
| 22:52.39 | ttuttle | rami: cool |
| 22:52.52 | cmonex | ttuttle: have you seen my PM? |
| 22:52.59 | ttuttle | yeah |
| 22:53.04 | cmonex | and any answer? :) |
| 22:53.05 | ttuttle | That's secret, I think. |
| 22:53.09 | Disconnect | cmonex: he's not gonna answer anything that helps unlock it |
| 22:53.12 | cmonex | the version number? |
| 22:53.16 | cmonex | how is that going to help to unlock it? :) |
| 22:53.18 | cmonex | i asked: |
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| 22:53.24 | cmonex | when your g1 is in tricolour screen (bootloader with camera + power), whats the exact version it reports on the screen? |
| 22:53.28 | Disconnect | ..your goal is unlock, so he's not gonna answer.. |
| 22:53.33 | ttuttle | Disconnect: precisely. |
| 22:53.38 | cmonex | huh? i was just curious |
| 22:53.39 | cmonex | :shrug: |
| 22:54.00 | Chainfire | meh cmonex ill tell you when my G1 comes in. |
| 22:54.03 | cmonex | tell me how this would help unlocking, though |
| 22:54.08 | cmonex | Chainfire, your g1 is not eng device |
| 22:54.20 | Chainfire | oh you need UK device.. yah this will be US one |
| 22:54.45 | ttuttle | cmonex: Sorry, Google's been on my case a little :-\ |
| 22:55.31 | cmonex | really? what does that mean? |
| 22:55.33 | andyross | There's a fine line between developer support and reckless enabling. If I were google, I wouldn't want employees in IRC channels talking about private hardware either. |
| 22:55.38 | cmonex | Chainfire: no, engineer |
| 22:55.41 | cmonex | eng means that |
| 22:55.57 | Chainfire | silly me thinking it meant english ;) |
| 22:56.15 | cmonex | :D |
| 22:56.16 | andyross | Explaining stuff about the source is one thing. Proxying questions about hardware that isn't available to the public is something different. |
| 22:56.51 | Damm | HBOOT-.95.0000 |
| 22:56.55 | Damm | CPLD-4 |
| 22:57.02 | Damm | radio 1.22.12.29, sep 2 2008 |
| 22:57.14 | cmonex | thats production device I guess |
| 22:57.18 | Damm | yes |
| 22:57.54 | andyross | When I was doing wireless development, management was really serious about tracking all the gadgets and making sure no one was using them personally, etc... They weren't very good at it, mind you, but the intent was there. |
| 22:58.33 | Damm | personally I don't see a problem with google employees on irc as long as they are not giving out information that should not be given out |
| 22:58.47 | Damm | a pretty common CYA thing... don't say something you shouldn't |
| 22:58.53 | Damm | and if you don't know if you should say it, don't. |
| 22:58.59 | andyross | Ditto. But in this case it was a question about what the engineering hardware was doing at boot. Sorta crossed the line, and I was trying to explain. |
| 22:59.12 | Damm | *nodnod* |
| 22:59.30 | RyeBrye | I dunno... fastboot isn't exactly secret |
| 22:59.50 | RyeBrye | That's like saying "the BIOS version on the machine I compiled your SDK on is top secret" |
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| 23:00.18 | Damm | RyeBrye, it's kinda like your mom telling you something she already knows. |
| 23:00.23 | Damm | you don't do it |
| 23:00.52 | Damm | if you have a problem with it, email god@google.com |
| 23:00.53 | Chainfire | so anyone figure out yet _why_ telnetd runs as root? (aside from you google guys) :) |
| 23:01.02 | Disconnect | ttuttle: its not personal (any more than your not being in a position to answer questions is) but .. no need to put you in any hard decisions :) |
| 23:01.17 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Oh, I know ;-) |
| 23:01.19 | Disconnect | is being serious, no animosity/etcetc.. life is life, etc |
| 23:02.40 | cmonex | [23:59:55] <RyeBrye> That's like saying "the BIOS version on the machine I compiled your SDK on is top secret" |
| 23:02.41 | cmonex | right, lol |
| 23:02.49 | tethridge | you guys quit bothering ttuttle so he can get back to work on my on-screen keyboard. :-) |
| 23:03.08 | cmonex | we already quit :) |
| 23:03.11 | ttuttle | heh |
| 23:03.14 | cmonex | hey we give up totally!! |
| 23:03.18 | ttuttle | has plenty of schoolwork, don't worry. |
| 23:03.18 | cmonex | g1 wont ever be unlocked :) |
| 23:03.19 | cmonex | better now? |
| 23:03.19 | cmonex | :) |
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| 23:03.35 | Disconnect | cya later all |
| 23:03.35 | cmonex | Chainfire: i'd like to know too |
| 23:04.08 | Chainfire | cmonex> myeah im wondering... dont you need root to get a < 1024 port listening? |
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| 23:07.04 | Chainfire | btw, a week or so ago somebody was telling about writing up a tutorial on how to run C++ code on Android... anyone know anything about this? did it get written, where is it, etc |
| 23:08.35 | vol | google "android c++" or so |
| 23:08.45 | vol | I'm actually dealing with JNI right now |
| 23:09.15 | keny | i thought this wasnt possible. is there any tool which converts to .dex from a C/C++ or binary file? |
| 23:09.22 | keny | +yet? |
| 23:09.43 | Chainfire | meh ill go dig through logs about who it was and what he said |
| 23:09.54 | vol | no, it's not |
| 23:10.02 | keny | Chainfire, with the recent exploit, maybe you can cross-compile to ARM, then run it or something like that |
| 23:10.03 | vol | you can create static apps |
| 23:10.10 | vol | but you can't really run anything meaningful past "hello world" |
| 23:10.14 | vol | since you don't have framebuffer access |
| 23:10.29 | ttuttle | vol: my IRC client, mail client, and editor would like to speak with you. |
| 23:10.38 | vol | well, that's where JNI comes in :P |
| 23:10.46 | vol | unless you do have framebuffer access |
| 23:10.51 | vol | in which case I desperately wish to speak to you. |
| 23:11.09 | ttuttle | vol: /me wonders what it would take to access SurfaceFlinger in C... |
| 23:11.23 | Chainfire | hey i dont need to display anything |
| 23:11.28 | Chainfire | I just need to run some code :) |
| 23:11.51 | vol | wonders what SurfaceFlinger is : ( |
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| 23:12.07 | ttuttle | vol: Oh, it's the Android graphics server, I think. |
| 23:12.43 | vol | orly... |
| 23:12.54 | ttuttle | "Surface flinger is a system-wide surface composer, handling all surface rendering to frame buffer device. It can combine 2d and 3d surfaces and surfaces from multiple applications. Surfaces are passed as buffers via binder interprocess (IPC) calls. It can use OpenGL ES and 2d hardware acceleration for its compositions. Surface flinger uses double-buffering using page-flips. System integrators can plug in hardware accelerat |
| 23:13.09 | vol | I'm reading that very page |
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| 23:13.17 | vol | (or blag copy/paste) |
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| 23:14.00 | keny | vol: how do you run those static apps? are there tools included in the sdk to do so? |
| 23:14.35 | vol | adb shell was how I was doing it |
| 23:15.00 | ttuttle | <3 adb shell. |
| 23:15.33 | keny | oh, so you just compile them, copy them over, and run them? i dunno why i thought that only java code was supported for now. |
| 23:15.50 | romainguy | because only Java code is supported right now :) |
| 23:15.53 | vol | ^^ |
| 23:16.02 | romainguy | you can run, obviously, native code |
| 23:16.08 | ttuttle | romainguy: hey, how's it going? |
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| 23:16.29 | romainguy | but by not supported we mean that you can't access our app framework, draw on screen without some magic and your stuff might break in a next update |
| 23:16.38 | cmonex | just like iphone, huh |
| 23:16.39 | cmonex | :) |
| 23:16.47 | ttuttle | cmonex: Yeah, except way better. |
| 23:16.50 | keny | romainguy, oh i see :) |
| 23:17.07 | ttuttle | files a feature request on b.android.com to see how romainguy's day is going. |
| 23:17.11 | cmonex | better? so far i see no advantage |
| 23:17.13 | cmonex | =P |
| 23:17.22 | ttuttle | cmonex: This one says "Google" on the back ;-) |
| 23:17.22 | cmonex | but of course g1 is new and not hacked yet |
| 23:17.26 | ttuttle | cmonex: And the logo is much cuter. |
| 23:17.30 | cmonex | hmm.. |
| 23:17.34 | cmonex | yeah I dont like the stupid apple logo |
| 23:17.38 | ttuttle | cmonex: And without hacking either of them, the G1 is much more flexible. |
| 23:17.49 | cmonex | i am sure.. i was just joking above :) |
| 23:18.05 | `vip | got my G1 today, so far loving it ... |
| 23:18.10 | ttuttle | `vip: congrats! |
| 23:18.17 | `vip | only thing that kinda sucks is the battery life is rather poor atm |
| 23:18.20 | ttuttle | vol: feel free to ask questions if you've got any. |
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| 23:18.54 | vol | ttuttle: is there any documentation or reference to SurfaceFlinger on the internet? |
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| 23:19.09 | `vip | when i got it, i used it till it died, then charged it full ... downloaded bonsai blast, connected to wifi @ mcds for like 15 mins browsed the market for a bit and now it's almost dead again :l |
| 23:19.36 | vol | aside from a permissions request for using it |
| 23:19.38 | f00f- | anyone figure out a contacts importer? |
| 23:19.42 | f00f- | or do i need to write one |
| 23:19.47 | `vip | other than that, i love it ... it's a HUGE improvement over my wing ;) |
| 23:19.55 | ttuttle | vol: Check the Android docs? |
| 23:19.56 | spikebike | gmail.com has an importer |
| 23:20.01 | ttuttle | `vip: Oh, Bonsai Blast is *awesome*. |
| 23:20.10 | f00f- | i dont want gmail/google to ahve my contacts |
| 23:20.13 | ttuttle | `vip: They had that on the internal market during the summer, and I got addicted to it. |
| 23:20.17 | ttuttle | f00f-: Then don't buy a G1. |
| 23:20.21 | vol | do you mean http://code.google.com/search/#p=android&q=SurfaceFlinger or the android source |
| 23:20.27 | ttuttle | vol: Either one. |
| 23:20.29 | unix_lappy | prays to ceiling cat for an early release of the of the IMF/IME |
| 23:20.33 | romainguy | f00f-: disable contacts syncing and don't use Gmail |
| 23:20.35 | ttuttle | vol: I don't know of any SurfaceFlinger-specific releases. |
| 23:20.36 | spikebike | foof you could import, get them on the g1, then delete them from gmail.com |
| 23:20.44 | romainguy | unix_lappy: be patient :) |
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| 23:20.48 | vol | well, the first one just lists it in the permissions |
| 23:20.58 | vol | the second one, I haven't looked at the android source yet (someone else here is) |
| 23:21.09 | vol | the first one also lists the Brick permission |
| 23:21.12 | vol | which I find curious |
| 23:21.17 | RyeBrye | there is no development / 'next' open source repo for stuff coming down the pipe, right? |
| 23:21.23 | Chainfire | isnt exchange syncing supported yet? (or planned?) |
| 23:21.25 | RyeBrye | public repo that is |
| 23:21.25 | romainguy | not yet |
| 23:21.27 | romainguy | we're working on it RyeBrye |
| 23:21.32 | ttuttle | romainguy: So what's in the public one right now? |
| 23:21.36 | romainguy | switching from perforce to git is not a simple task :) |
| 23:21.37 | `vip | f00f- whats wrong wit hthe contacts importer ? |
| 23:21.43 | romainguy | you guys have what's in the G1 |
| 23:21.44 | f00f- | well i need to import them from my N95 |
| 23:21.46 | unix_lappy | I'm patient, just not q1 2009 patient ;-) |
| 23:21.48 | f00f- | N95 supports SyncML |
| 23:21.49 | RyeBrye | romainguy - I can imagine. Git makes your head explode when you first start workign with it |
| 23:21.56 | RyeBrye | has his head still exploded |
| 23:21.58 | ttuttle | really grew to like Perforce. |
| 23:22.03 | romainguy | that's not really about git |
| 23:22.11 | romainguy | it's more about all the tools we have that rely on perforce :) |
| 23:22.13 | ttuttle | is forcing himself to learn git this semester for a class. |
| 23:22.21 | ttuttle | romainguy: sed -i "s/p4/git/" ;-) |
| 23:22.32 | RyeBrye | romainguy - by 'tools' you mean 'interns' ? |
| 23:22.35 | RyeBrye | ;) |
| 23:22.47 | ttuttle | romainguy: Yeah, just get an intern to fix it all. |
| 23:22.55 | ttuttle | <3 interns. |
| 23:23.10 | f00f- | heh |
| 23:23.10 | f00f- | you must miss it a lot tuttles |
| 23:23.13 | RyeBrye | did tuttle just feed 3 interns into himself? |
| 23:23.20 | ttuttle | No. |
| 23:23.22 | romainguy | heh, love interns too, that's how I got the job |
| 23:23.25 | ttuttle | romainguy: heh |
| 23:23.36 | unix_lappy | heh, how old are you? |
| 23:23.40 | romainguy | RyeBrye: no, but ttuttle talks as much as 3 interns |
| 23:23.44 | ttuttle | romainguy: it's true. |
| 23:24.04 | ttuttle | romainguy: /me has considered writing an irssi plugin that keeps track of, over the last $n$ minutes, what percentage of messages in the channel are spoken by the user. |
| 23:24.08 | romainguy | unix_lappy: me? |
| 23:24.14 | unix_lappy | yea... |
| 23:24.20 | romainguy | 26 |
| 23:24.49 | ttuttle | brb |
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| 23:25.00 | jasta | ttuttle: just use a cron to websuck the logs and insert into a sql database |
| 23:25.08 | unix_lappy | heh, i was like, android started about 5 years ago, i'd wager they started hiring interface developers pretty heavily 3-4 years ago, and you were an intern in uni so that's another 3-4. |
| 23:25.46 | ttuttle | jasta: That's really complicated, and won't let me display it in the status bar. |
| 23:26.12 | romainguy | unix_lappy: I took my time to finish my studies, I interrupted them for one year to work at Sun on the JDK :p |
| 23:26.19 | ttuttle | romainguy: heh |
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| 23:28.43 | languish | is there a blogger app *from google* in the queue? if so, any eta? |
| 23:29.02 | jasta | ttuttle: really complicated? you could bang that out in perl or python using unix tools in less than an hour |
| 23:29.19 | ttuttle | jasta: It's more complicated than an irssi script. |
| 23:29.43 | jasta | perhaps some small margin, but also way more useful |
| 23:29.53 | jasta | and more general :) |
| 23:30.02 | jasta | and better engineered |
| 23:32.14 | sodenrox | anyone having a problem with the touch screen while charging? |
| 23:32.31 | sodenrox | anyone *else* i should say |
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| 23:34.26 | Chainfire | http://www.androidforums.com/showthread.php?t=1633 <<<< well I guess somebody got root |
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| 23:35.27 | spikebike | scam |
| 23:35.54 | Chainfire | hmm? |
| 23:36.44 | vol | hahaha |
| 23:36.48 | vol | virus protection on a linux system |
| 23:36.50 | vol | YES! |
| 23:36.50 | cmonex | sodenrox: see my q elsewhere :) |
| 23:37.13 | Chainfire | I've never seen a virus for WM yet either, yet like 5 different AV tools exist |
| 23:37.49 | ttuttle | lol |
| 23:37.54 | ttuttle | they're probably really fast too. |
| 23:38.17 | spikebike | would be fun to strace them |
| 23:38.23 | keny | FUCK |
| 23:38.30 | spikebike | prolly just looping and displaying a progress bar |
| 23:38.31 | keny | i just typed shutdown -h now on the wrong terminal |
| 23:38.34 | keny | : ( |
| 23:38.37 | Chainfire | lol keny |
| 23:38.47 | Chainfire | checks if Google.com is still up |
| 23:39.09 | Chainfire | well I dunno, I never tried them, but they come from houses like F-Secure |
| 23:39.12 | keny | daaaaaaaamn f*ck f*ck f*ck |
| 23:39.20 | Chainfire | not a small name in the AV sector |
| 23:39.31 | tweakt | thats why you never use "now" for the time, so you can stop it if needed ;-) |
| 23:40.18 | keny | i'd say, that's why you never leave an open root session on a dedicated server open for nothing :'( |
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| 23:40.23 | Chainfire | I tried setting it "20 minutes ago" once et voila, my box was already up. |
| 23:40.35 | languish | keny, time to write a shutdown confirmation script that shows you which terminal you're on and some recent command history just so you know what you were doing on that term |
| 23:40.36 | keny | DAMN |
| 23:40.47 | keny | languish, yes |
| 23:41.15 | keny | wasn't even my server |
| 23:41.23 | languish | doh |
| 23:41.26 | keny | gonna get killed |
| 23:41.28 | keny | :P |
| 23:41.37 | languish | "we wuz hax!" |
| 23:41.56 | languish | "Bastards! they killed Kenny!" |
| 23:42.03 | languish | or in this case, Keny |
| 23:42.06 | languish | : |
| 23:42.13 | keny | hehe :P |
| 23:42.37 | languish | quick, change your nick, they'll never find ya |
| 23:42.40 | keny | languish, i suspect you're not too far off .... DAMN i feel so stupid now |
| 23:43.00 | RyeBrye | remotely enables GPS on keny's G1... |
| 23:43.03 | languish | it happens |
| 23:43.20 | RyeBrye | Is it on a guaranteed uptime server? |
| 23:43.39 | keny | RyeBrye, i wish you could, since that'd mean i had a G1 hehe |
| 23:43.40 | RyeBrye | If a server outage is short enough, a user will often blame their own ISP :) |
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| 23:44.07 | keny | well, not sure how they power on servers on that datacenter |
| 23:44.16 | RyeBrye | oh |
| 23:44.19 | languish | I know a company that replaces all their production server shutdown commands with "wanttodie" |
| 23:44.24 | RyeBrye | You shut it down? |
| 23:44.35 | keny | i did. D: |
| 23:44.42 | RyeBrye | LOL |
| 23:44.49 | RyeBrye | I was thinking you just rebooted it |
| 23:44.58 | RyeBrye | ... you don't have any kind of remote-access board on that server? |
| 23:44.59 | languish | call the dc |
| 23:45.04 | Chainfire | yes -h I see now... hoped it'd be -r |
| 23:45.04 | languish | have them hit the button |
| 23:45.06 | RyeBrye | The Dell DRACs kick ass for this kind of thin |
| 23:45.16 | RyeBrye | you just connect to that little bitch and say "turn it on" |
| 23:45.31 | keny | you mean some kind of wake-on-lan ? |
| 23:46.08 | keny | dunno, but im sure i will not be able to do it manually from here. will have to call support or something of that sort |
| 23:46.10 | RyeBrye | No, it's a little card that sits in your server and has it's own NIC - you connect to it via the web and you can totally control the machine as if you were there - including powering it on... et.c |
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| 23:46.49 | keny | nope i don't have access to that. I don't even know how they manage power-ons in that datacenter :( |
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| 23:46.56 | RyeBrye | It doesn't WOL, it interfaces withthe hardware... you can even VNC with it and acts as if it were connected to the VGA port or something... you can even use a CD in your local machine to re-install the entire OS on the server if you want :) |
| 23:46.56 | SplasPood | So did we figure out why telnetd ends up running as root yet? ;) |
| 23:46.57 | keny | was not even my server, a friends' |
| 23:47.25 | RyeBrye | SplasPood - I'm sure Google will tell us when they make their announcement about it |
| 23:47.27 | jasta | keny: the server really doesnt have WOL? |
| 23:47.35 | SplasPood | RyeBrye: think they're gonna? |
| 23:48.01 | RyeBrye | I would imagine they would |
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| 23:48.37 | keny | jasta, not sure about that. I'm sending some packets over but no response :P |
| 23:48.40 | Chainfire | RyeBrye> you mean right around the time they fix it? :) |
| 23:48.48 | RyeBrye | Yes, they wont tell us until after it's fixed |
| 23:48.50 | RyeBrye | that goes without saying |
| 23:49.06 | jasta | keny: well shame on you :) |
| 23:49.12 | keny | yes D: |
| 23:49.18 | RyeBrye | I think they all have strict "STFU" orders about discussing anything rleated to it |
| 23:49.22 | Chainfire | doesnt make it better :P |
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| 23:50.08 | keny | damn, this had never happened tome. I don't know why i left an open terminal with root on it without actively using it in the first place... |
| 23:50.55 | Chainfire | keny> "if you haven't said "oh shit" while doing something as root, you haven't done UNIX administration in a busy production environment." |
| 23:51.20 | keny | Chainfire, oh yes i have hehe. Just not something as "funny" as this. |
| 23:51.32 | jasta | i once lost a machine |
| 23:51.38 | jasta | (yes i know thats a bash.org quote, but it actually happened to me) |
| 23:51.48 | Chainfire | what, the one in the cupboard? |
| 23:52.00 | keny | jasta, haaha yeah i was just going to post the bash.org quote to you |
| 23:52.03 | jasta | couldn't fuckin' figure out where physically the machine i was working on was |
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| 23:52.14 | jasta | i mean really. it wasn't funny at the time, i was really frustrated. |
| 23:52.25 | jasta | i didnt have any tools to figure it out either |
| 23:52.27 | ttuttle | jasta: How's Five coming along? |
| 23:52.40 | jasta | i ended up putting a cd in every computer in our server area and checking if i could mount it hehe |
| 23:52.50 | keny | lol |
| 23:52.50 | jasta | took forever :\ |
| 23:52.52 | Chainfire | rofl |
| 23:53.05 | Chainfire | but the physical server wasnt lost, you just didnt know which one? |
| 23:53.09 | ttuttle | jasta: um, "eject". |
| 23:53.14 | jasta | ttuttle: great. working on some bugs i discoverd as a result of my regular usage :) |
| 23:53.16 | ttuttle | jasta: or, "while true; do eject; done". |
| 23:53.23 | ttuttle | jasta: Then look for the server with the CD drive cycling in and out. |
| 23:53.25 | Chainfire | i like the cupboard / built into a wall version better |
| 23:53.47 | ttuttle | jasta: /me once found a friend whose cdrom was chmod a+w, so on April Fools' Day I did that remotely. |
| 23:54.00 | mwester | doesn't work with the slim CD drives in the 1u servers though ;) |
| 23:54.04 | ttuttle | :-( |
| 23:54.10 | ttuttle | beep? |
| 23:54.20 | RyeBrye | No LCD panel? |
| 23:54.22 | ttuttle | jasta: So how easy is it to install now? |
| 23:54.40 | RyeBrye | you can write custom crap on those little LCD display things on the dell machines |
| 23:54.51 | mwester | Some of the Dells had (have still?) an intense blue LED on front and rear that can be illuminated remotely to identify the server in the rack. |
| 23:55.07 | RyeBrye | has a server looping the entire text of Mobi Dick on a 16-character LCD panel in some server rack somewhere |
| 23:55.18 | RyeBrye | I think it takes it 2 days or something to get all the way through it |
| 23:55.28 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: ... |
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| 23:57.50 | Chainfire | so err btw, how does everybody feel about the G1 not having an FPU? :) |
| 23:58.06 | fcrick | man...i plug my g1 into my laptop and i can't access the disk it says please insert disk into volume F: :( |
| 23:58.54 | jbq | Chainfire: par for the course - that's very common for phone CPUs (did you notice that it also can't divide in hardware?) |
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| 23:59.16 | spikebike | chainfire not bad at all, the fp heavy stuff is graphics and it does have hardware for that FP |
| 23:59.16 | ttuttle | fcrick: Open the status bar, tap the "USB connected" notification, and tap "Mount". |
| 23:59.20 | cmonex | there are some arm dsps that have div.. |
| 23:59.25 | Chainfire | common as in, hey, every phone I ever owned that doesnt have a Qualcomm chipset had it? |
| 23:59.46 | cmonex | Chainfire: which phones ? |
| 23:59.49 | fcrick | ttuttle: yay ty! |
| 23:59.55 | fadden | ...and what did they use the FP support for? |
