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| 00:42.59 | elad | my friends detest android |
| 00:43.13 | jsherman | why |
| 00:43.21 | elad | with their uber "Symbian devices" |
| 00:43.29 | cbeust | Ah, nice |
| 00:43.41 | cbeust | I can understand preferring the iPhone over the G1 |
| 00:43.48 | cbeust | But Symbian over G1? <scratches head> |
| 00:43.56 | elad | yea theyre retarded |
| 00:44.09 | elad | they think once the google hype wears off, its over. |
| 00:44.18 | elad | what hype? |
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| 00:50.52 | spikebike | dunno |
| 00:51.05 | spikebike | s60 on the newer devices is alot more capable than an iphone |
| 00:51.18 | spikebike | MMS, multitasking, cut/paste, etc. |
| 00:51.28 | elad | yea but the whole point is android is to easy to develop for.. |
| 00:51.49 | spikebike | there is no s60 devel for linux 8-( |
| 00:51.50 | elad | and besides they hate java as well, they think its some nasty language |
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| 00:55.01 | osmosis | what do I use to convert to android h.264 mpeg4 videos? ffmpeg ? what settings? |
| 00:56.55 | `vip | anyone tried androidboy yet / |
| 00:56.56 | `vip | ? |
| 00:57.21 | ttuttle | no |
| 00:57.34 | osmosis | `vip: yah, it runs too slow to use |
| 00:57.40 | `vip | ah ok |
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| 00:57.48 | osmosis | how do I create a video that I can copy to and play on my G1 ? |
| 00:57.53 | osmosis | for the 'Video Player' app |
| 00:57.54 | `vip | just saw it on androidcommunity |
| 00:58.43 | tweakt | what's the delay time for a "long press" to register? |
| 01:00.23 | mocsrox | ne1 haxorin with the GridView? |
| 01:02.02 | osmosis | so no video converting help ? |
| 01:03.35 | ttuttle | mocsrox: that is not english |
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| 01:04.05 | mocsrox | ttuttle: the deciphered version.. is anyone working with GridView |
| 01:04.47 | ttuttle | mocsrox: I'm not, sorry. ;-) |
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| 01:07.12 | mocsrox | sigh |
| 01:07.25 | mocsrox | all quiet on #android-dev as well |
| 01:08.02 | elad | i haxor with gridview all the time |
| 01:08.11 | elad | except thats in .net |
| 01:08.13 | elad | runs |
| 01:08.20 | mocsrox | elad: killing me |
| 01:08.28 | elad | sorry man I had too! |
| 01:08.31 | elad | :D |
| 01:08.36 | mocsrox | :P |
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| 01:16.34 | waldo-g1 | so is it safe to plug any usb cable (say form a car charger) into the g1 to charge it? |
| 01:16.48 | waldo-g1 | from |
| 01:17.14 | romainguy | yes |
| 01:17.18 | cbeust | Yes, but it won't always work (it will in most cases) |
| 01:17.30 | cbeust | The USB plug needs to be powered, which most are |
| 01:17.31 | waldo-g1 | has a tomtom gps cable |
| 01:17.54 | waldo-g1 | cool lemme try it now.. in car how cool is that? |
| 01:18.08 | cbeust | Also it won't charge as fast as a power outlet cable |
| 01:18.19 | cbeust | but it's definitely awesome when you're traveling and you can recharge from your laptop |
| 01:18.37 | waldo-g1 | wow! works |
| 01:18.50 | waldo-g1 | charge light on |
| 01:19.19 | waldo-g1 | i |
| 01:19.46 | waldo-g1 | this is almost decadent it's so cool |
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| 01:31.28 | spikebike | For best results I'd recommend a 1 amp car charger |
| 01:31.35 | spikebike | (same with wall warts) |
| 01:31.45 | spikebike | usb cables are safe |
| 01:35.33 | waldo-g1 | this is 2a i think |
| 01:36.06 | waldo-g1 | 5v2a |
| 01:36.12 | elad | anyone here live in houston,texas |
| 01:36.38 | spikebike | should be plenty |
| 01:36.48 | spikebike | g1's expecting 5v1a |
| 01:37.37 | waldo-g1 | its a little warm actually |
| 01:37.49 | spikebike | yeah |
| 01:38.17 | waldo-g1 | butok |
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| 01:39.02 | waldo-g1 | hopoe it doesnt hurt it |
| 01:39.14 | spikebike | my understanding is that it should be fine |
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| 01:39.18 | spikebike | you aren't overdriving it |
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| 01:39.25 | romainguy | waldo-g1: it's normal |
| 01:39.28 | spikebike | 10V at 2 amps would be different |
| 01:39.31 | elad | man i love the map/gps on g1 |
| 01:39.41 | wastrel | hi |
| 01:39.46 | wastrel | it doesn't work in my apartment |
| 01:40.31 | romainguy | the gps? that's normal |
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| 01:42.59 | spikebike | yeah, might work if you get a lock outside first |
| 01:43.09 | spikebike | less so if you have other apartments above you |
| 01:43.27 | spikebike | I wish the g1 allowed you to set long/lat for an access point |
| 01:44.05 | elad | it does |
| 01:44.26 | elad | you just have to develop that feature :P |
| 01:44.46 | romainguy | it should be able to get you a location using cell id though |
| 01:45.16 | elad | what do they call lounges/coffee shops that are open 24/7? |
| 01:46.04 | waldo-g1 | ~~~huh? |
| 01:46.14 | elad | caffe's? |
| 01:47.46 | jcanfield_ | My g1 alarm didn't wake me up this morning...anyone else seen this behavior? |
| 01:48.32 | elad | user error most likely |
| 01:48.50 | elad | most of the time its my fault as well :P |
| 01:49.01 | elad | like everytime actually |
| 01:49.19 | romainguy | jcanfield_: known bug |
| 01:49.36 | elad | :o |
| 01:50.04 | romainguy | sorry :( |
| 01:50.16 | umdk1d3 | wait, theres a bug in the alarm clock? its always worked for me |
| 01:50.29 | romainguy | ask ttuttle |
| 01:50.32 | romainguy | probably his fault :) |
| 01:51.28 | elad | im a little unclear, so it is possible to push mail from an exchange server or isnt? |
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| 01:52.22 | spikebike | elad don't think so, imap without imap idle so far |
| 01:52.24 | romainguy | elad: push, no |
| 01:52.36 | spikebike | jcan mine went off this morning |
| 01:52.52 | spikebike | often when I'm near a wifi there's no cell signal |
| 01:54.37 | elad | romain: is it possible via imap? |
| 01:54.44 | romainguy | yes |
| 01:54.54 | romainguy | at least if the exchange server supports IMAP |
| 01:55.00 | elad | very nice |
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| 01:57.48 | jcanfield_ | romainguy, thanks! Strange behavior, worked for three days then this morning the screen pop'd up but no rooster sound. :) |
| 01:57.58 | romainguy | yeah I've seen it too |
| 01:58.02 | romainguy | I don't know the cause |
| 01:58.07 | romainguy | blount might know |
| 01:59.06 | jcanfield_ | guess I'll be going back to the old buzzer until we get an update.. I guess i could always use one of the ten million countdown timers. :P |
| 02:00.00 | waldo_ | wow my irc session stayed for a 5 mile drive... nice |
| 02:00.06 | d03boy | irc session? :\ |
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| 02:09.28 | spikebike | any done the RC29 update? |
| 02:09.33 | spikebike | or a OTA RC28? |
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| 02:18.47 | waldo_ | well I just did a comparison to the rc29 update from the rc28... they are different and the files inside are all different as well |
| 02:19.50 | romainguy | well yes since they are two different updates :) |
| 02:20.03 | spikebike | heh |
| 02:20.17 | waldo_ | well the rc28 update had been reported as saying "RC29" |
| 02:20.19 | waldo_ | in the device |
| 02:20.25 | spikebike | yeah, I've heard that |
| 02:20.33 | waldo_ | so I dunno.. also here's something: |
| 02:20.34 | waldo_ | < assert getprop("ro.build.fingerprint") == "tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1.0/TC4-RC29/115247:user/ota-rel-keys,release-keys" || getprop("ro.build.fingerprint") == "tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1.0/TC4-RC28/114235:user/ota-rel-keys,release-keys" || getprop("ro.build.fingerprint") == "tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1.0/TC4-RC19/109652:user/ota-rel-keys,release-keys" || getprop("ro.build.fingerprint") == "tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1.0/TC4-RC29/115247:us |
| 02:20.34 | waldo_ | er/ota-rel-keys,test-keys" || getprop("ro.build.fingerprint") == "tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1.0/TC4-RC28/114235:user/ota-rel-keys,test-keys" || getprop("ro.build.fingerprint") == "tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1.0/TC4-RC19/109652:user/ota-rel-keys,test-keys" |
| 02:20.36 | waldo_ | --- |
| 02:20.37 | waldo_ | > assert getprop("ro.build.fingerprint") == "tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1.0/TC4-RC29/115247:user/ota-rel-keys,for-testing,release-keys" || getprop("ro.build.fingerprint") == "tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1.0/TC4-RC29/115247:user/ota-rel-keys,release-keys" || getprop("ro.build.fingerprint") == "tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1.0/TC4-RC29/115247:user/ota-rel-keys,for-testing,test-keys" || getprop("ro.build.fingerprint") == "tmobile/kila/dream/trout:1 |
| 02:20.44 | waldo_ | .0/TC4-RC29/115247:user/ota-rel-keys,test-keys" |
| 02:20.46 | spikebike | I'm kinda curious if the update will happen over wifi, edge, or just 3d |
| 02:20.46 | waldo_ | sorry for the little flood there |
| 02:20.59 | romainguy | spikebike: it happens over edge or 3g |
| 02:21.01 | romainguy | I don't know about WiFi |
| 02:21.08 | romainguy | during the development they were happening over wifi too |
| 02:21.10 | spikebike | or good |
| 02:21.13 | spikebike | no 3g here |
| 02:21.14 | waldo_ | is there anything interesting in that? |
| 02:21.47 | waldo_ | they look like they have the same build number 115247 whatever that is about. |
| 02:21.53 | waldo_ | romainguy: you work at google right? |
| 02:21.59 | romainguy | I do |
| 02:22.17 | waldo_ | is there a difference between rc28 and rc29? Should I install one over the other? |
| 02:22.27 | romainguy | you know |
| 02:22.32 | waldo_ | i ask because rc28 reports as rc29 anyway |
| 02:22.38 | waldo_ | or so I'm told... |
| 02:22.39 | romainguy | we don't release updates that you should NOT install |
| 02:22.45 | romainguy | just use the latest |
| 02:22.47 | spikebike | heh well |
| 02:22.54 | waldo_ | okay. rc29 it is :) |
| 02:22.59 | romainguy | that's why you should just get the OTA updates as they arrive |
| 02:23.04 | romainguy | not trying to do what you're doing :)) |
| 02:23.04 | spikebike | I'm not sure I'd call random files floating around rapidshare as updates |
| 02:23.12 | waldo_ | romainguy: well I've been patient... |
| 02:23.20 | romainguy | updates will come |
| 02:23.21 | waldo_ | spikebike: these aren't from rapidshare.. these are both downloaded from google direct |
| 02:23.27 | romainguy | they are not rolled out to all users at the same time |
| 02:23.30 | waldo_ | android.client.google etc |
| 02:23.30 | elad | hell im still at rc19 |
| 02:23.34 | waldo_ | elad me too |
| 02:23.38 | spikebike | same here |
| 02:23.58 | spikebike | romain do you know if the download can be resumed? |
| 02:24.05 | waldo_ | romainguy: yeah... but y'know we're early adopters so we have to have the latest/greatest... wish there was some "here's whats' new" doc somewhere tho |
| 02:24.20 | spikebike | not sure how often I get an edge connection for long enough to get a 45MB download at one time |
| 02:24.32 | waldo_ | spikebike: download with your computer then just ocpy the file |
| 02:24.33 | romainguy | spikebike: no worry, it doesn't have to happen in one shot |
| 02:24.41 | spikebike | ah, cool, I'll wait then |
| 02:24.45 | waldo_ | oh you mean for an OTA... |
| 02:24.49 | spikebike | yes |
| 02:24.53 | spikebike | ota |
| 02:25.00 | waldo_ | romainguy: is there some reason you don't publicize the changes? |
| 02:25.16 | romainguy | no idea |
| 02:25.27 | romainguy | because it's probably a bunch of fixes that don't mean much to users |
| 02:25.32 | waldo_ | hmm |
| 02:25.40 | spikebike | heh, it would still be nice |
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| 02:35.57 | waldo_ | Both were built Oct 24th, but it looks like RC19+28 was built at 4:08 PM and RC29 was built at 4:58 PM |
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| 02:41.55 | waldo_ | the rc29 says "for-testing" all over it. |
| 02:44.15 | waldo_ | maybe if I install that one I'll be an unofficial member of the testing program... <grin> |
| 02:46.02 | spikebike | problem is, if google finds out something wrong with the update and stops the OTA update... you won't know |
| 02:46.31 | waldo_ | I'm guessing rc29 is some beta for the next version |
| 02:46.44 | spikebike | well news blurbs claim rc28 was in distribution |
| 02:46.47 | spikebike | an issue found |
| 02:46.53 | spikebike | OTA updates stopped |
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| 02:46.59 | waldo_ | yes... i heard that... |
| 02:47.00 | spikebike | than RC29 was released |
| 02:47.21 | spikebike | the g1 has some annoying bugs |
| 02:47.23 | waldo_ | It's confusing because rc19+rc28 claims to be rc29. Then you have ANOTHER rc29 built an hour later that says "for-testing" |
| 02:47.28 | spikebike | but nothing too bad, so I'll wait |
| 02:47.45 | spikebike | well I'm not confident that whoever uploaded the files named them correctly |
| 02:47.58 | waldo_ | these files are from google |
| 02:48.04 | spikebike | although I kinda would like a little daemon that watches activity on my sd card |
| 02:48.24 | spikebike | from google where? |
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| 02:48.51 | spikebike | is there docs with it? |
| 02:48.55 | spikebike | published checksums? |
| 02:48.58 | spikebike | changelogs? |
| 02:49.05 | spikebike | intended for distribution? |
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| 02:49.27 | waldo_ | http://androidcommunity.com/update-your-t-mobile-g1-from-a-microsd-card-20081031/ |
| 02:49.38 | waldo_ | intended I think to be d/l'd by the phone directly |
| 02:49.42 | waldo_ | not a web browser |
| 02:49.50 | waldo_ | but you can force the update |
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| 02:52.08 | spikebike | ah, it is straight from google, that's definitely more encouraging |
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| 02:53.30 | waldo_ | yah |
| 02:53.50 | waldo_ | that said-- i have no idea what this RC29 is all about |
| 02:56.09 | ttuttle | waldo_: I've heard it's an update to fix the browser vulnerability, but I'm honestly not sure. |
| 02:56.40 | spikebike | yeah, that was mentioned |
| 02:56.55 | spikebike | Not heard much about 19->28 though |
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| 02:58.21 | waldo_ | ttuttle: well check this out http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441385 |
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| 02:58.50 | waldo_ | apparently it's not good to do RC29... although this guy doesn't say what happened to his phone exactly. |
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| 03:00.41 | ttuttle | waldo_: hrm. |
| 03:00.47 | ttuttle | waldo_: Seems fine to me. |
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| 03:08.36 | spikebike | ponders openid for a g1 |
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| 03:10.19 | waldo_ | ttuttle did you install the RC19->28 or the real rc29 |
| 03:10.25 | gdsx | spikebike: it'd be pretty useless, seeing how OpenID is pretty useless, since sites don't want to trust other sites |
| 03:10.42 | Elijah | So who here has bought an Android? |
| 03:10.58 | spikebike | gdsx true, although I'm hoping that replacing passwords with a strong key might make them less worried about weak passwords |
| 03:11.04 | spikebike | elijah if you mean a g1, I did. |
| 03:11.18 | Elijah | spikebike: yes, a G1. So how do you like it! |
| 03:11.25 | spikebike | it's awesome |
| 03:11.36 | spikebike | although this isn't a particularly good place for unbiased reviews ;-) |
| 03:12.06 | Elijah | Well I have heard some bad reviews but that is for people that have no clue of it's potential! |
| 03:12.15 | Elijah | I know what to expect for now |
| 03:12.37 | Elijah | I am thinking of jumping ship from Sprint since Sprint said they weren't going Andorid for a while |
| 03:12.38 | spikebike | it's quite user friendly, you don't need to be a linux expert for it to be useful |
| 03:13.19 | spikebike | my wife, and a friends gf are quite happy with them as well |
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| 03:13.25 | Elijah | Nice |
| 03:13.40 | Elijah | Is the app store up and running for Android yet? |
| 03:13.48 | spikebike | yup |
| 03:14.02 | spikebike | I don't know the number, but I'd eyeball it at 100-200 apps |
| 03:14.36 | wastrel | some major missing pieces |
| 03:14.49 | spikebike | like? |
| 03:14.59 | wastrel | ebook reader |
| 03:15.26 | babelawra | hi , i have some troubles to get the source code, i followed the instructions on the website but when i try : repo init -u git://android.git.kernel.org/platform/manifest.git |
| 03:15.37 | babelawra | i get bash: /bin/repo: Permission denied |
| 03:15.40 | Elijah | Well, it is in it's infancy so I will just be happy to efficiently use my Google apps for now |
| 03:15.47 | Elijah | Gcalendar and Gmail for the most part |
| 03:16.00 | wastrel | v. easy & well integrated |
| 03:16.01 | Elijah | Gmaps |
| 03:16.07 | wastrel | doesn't handle to-dos though :[ |
| 03:16.26 | Elijah | Is it pretty responsive or is it laggy? |
| 03:16.42 | Elijah | My Motorola ic902 is laggy as ____ |
| 03:17.36 | spikebike | I'd say it's quite snappy |
| 03:17.52 | wastrel | sometimes get slow loading of things |
| 03:17.59 | spikebike | indeed |
| 03:18.01 | wastrel | mostly pretty responsive |
| 03:18.27 | spikebike | but interactively, scrolling, pulling down the notification bar, bargging icons around, etc is pretty smooth |
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| 03:19.05 | ttuttle | waldo_: I'm running a totally different build. |
| 03:19.32 | ttuttle | waldo_: I got my phone through the friends and family program, so I run a sort of testing builds. (More cutting-edge than the "for-testing" ones.) |
| 03:19.43 | Elijah | Is there anyway of buying one of these and putting it on Sprints network? |
| 03:19.47 | ttuttle | Elijah: No. |
| 03:19.51 | ttuttle | Elijah: Sprint is not GSM. |
| 03:19.57 | Elijah | Hmm |
| 03:20.00 | spikebike | ttuttle right |
| 03:20.02 | Elijah | How bout ATT then |
| 03:20.13 | ttuttle | Elijah: Certainly, if you can convince T-Mo to unlock it. |
| 03:20.16 | spikebike | yeah, if you pay full price gsm should work |
| 03:20.20 | ttuttle | Elijah: I'm using mine with AT&T. |
| 03:20.27 | spikebike | or pay for the unlock |
| 03:20.28 | ttuttle | Elijah: Just beware that the 3G won't work. |
| 03:20.32 | Elijah | ttuttle: how did you do that? |
| 03:20.45 | Elijah | The G1 is not 3G? |
| 03:20.47 | ttuttle | Elijah: I'm testing for Google, so I asked for an unlocked one. |
| 03:20.51 | spikebike | it's 3g only on tmobile |
| 03:20.54 | ttuttle | Elijah: The G1 is 3G, but it only works on T-Mo's frequencies. |
| 03:21.00 | Elijah | bummer |
| 03:21.04 | ttuttle | Elijah: It could work on AT&T, but they'd need to change the hardware slightly. |
| 03:21.09 | spikebike | it's pretty damn nice on edge though |
| 03:21.15 | Elijah | I want one badly but T-mobile coverage isn't the greatest here |
| 03:21.18 | ttuttle | Elijah: It's actually not so bad... ever since iPhone 1G, EDGE on AT&T has been *much* faster. |
| 03:22.50 | unix_remote | verizon has rolled out GSM right? |
| 03:22.57 | ttuttle | unix_remote: No! They're CDMA, I think. |
| 03:23.12 | unix_remote | ttuttle: hmm. |
| 03:23.59 | ttuttle | Yeah, they're CDMA. |
| 03:24.00 | ttuttle | brb |
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| 03:26.38 | spikebike | yeah, tmo and AT&T are the 2 biggest gsm folks in the usa |
| 03:27.01 | spikebike | sprint, verizon, nextel aren't |
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| 03:27.47 | spikebike | there is a lame book reader btw |
| 03:30.14 | Elijah | I am really disappointed the Sprint is not adopting an Android phone yet |
| 03:31.19 | Elijah | Do any of you have the G1 in Tmobile edge |
| 03:31.26 | Elijah | Is it fast at all? |
| 03:31.33 | spikebike | yeah, it's fine |
| 03:32.36 | ttuttle | back |
| 03:32.38 | Elijah | Do you have to pay extra for 3G |
| 03:32.50 | ttuttle | Elijah: no |
| 03:32.54 | ttuttle | Elijah: it's part of the G1 data plan. |
| 03:33.35 | spikebike | maps, app downloads, even youtube is reasonable over edge |
| 03:34.03 | spikebike | gtalk/im works well |
| 03:34.03 | Elijah | Ok, Well I am gonna see if I can get out of my Sprint plan, its been well over a year |
| 03:34.12 | Elijah | I hear they are pro rating ETF now |
| 03:34.16 | spikebike | good luck. |
| 03:35.23 | ttuttle | Elijah: Oh, that's good. |
| 03:48.25 | elad | pro-rate |
| 03:48.27 | elad | yea right |
| 03:48.35 | elad | i was with verizon for 7 years |
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| 03:56.06 | spikebike | it doesn't seem like android is really related to linux |
| 03:56.11 | RyeBrye | My bluetooth keyboard will pair with the G1 just fine - but wont connect or do anything useful. |
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| 03:56.20 | RyeBrye | now starts bitching about not being able to fix it himself |
| 03:56.22 | spikebike | couldn't a dalvik port to windows mobile, sybian, or OSX allow the same apps to run? |
| 03:57.03 | spikebike | Ryebyre I believe the roadmap includes an extension to allow arbitrary user input devices ... like an onscreen keyboard |
| 03:57.28 | RyeBrye | I'd FIX IT myself - and contribute patches - but since I'd have no reliable way of testing if it works - and even if I did get it working in the emulator or something I'd have to wait an unknown period of time to get my own patches on my own device... I don't see any reason to hack away at it |
| 03:58.23 | RyeBrye | Yeah, the interface framework will be good once it's written - and it's probably a prerequisite to getting a bluetooth keyboard working properly - but I would think bluetooh HID would be handled much nicer at the OS level that in some background process running in userspace |
| 03:58.52 | RyeBrye | I would even accept a service where if you write patches and google likes them - they send you back a signed image to flash on your own phone |
| 03:59.11 | RyeBrye | without haven't to wait until whenever to get the OTA update |
| 04:00.23 | spikebike | yeah the tmo device isn't really open |
| 04:00.34 | spikebike | sad |
| 04:00.59 | RyeBrye | Yeah, and so far it seems like it's even more locked down than other t-mobile HTC devices |
| 04:01.03 | spikebike | the openmoko looks like it will have an open android |
| 04:01.15 | RyeBrye | The Free Runner you mean? |
| 04:01.26 | RyeBrye | OpenMoko is the OS |
| 04:01.28 | spikebike | ya |
| 04:01.40 | spikebike | supposedly they will have an android phone in nov |
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| 04:01.53 | Waldo-g1 | does ircii not suppor color?! |
| 04:01.55 | RyeBrye | That will be completely useless because there is no onscreen keyboard yet |
| 04:02.09 | RyeBrye | and the Free Runner lacks a hardware keyboard |
| 04:02.17 | spikebike | they might add one, does't seem that hard |
| 04:02.29 | RyeBrye | there is one on the roadmap from google in Q1 of 09 |
| 04:02.41 | RyeBrye | so they could add one, but it would be a throwaway hack |
| 04:02.45 | wastrel | irssi supports color |
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| 04:03.06 | Waldo-g1 | wastrel but not ircii huh? Hmm |
| 04:03.12 | unix_remote | RyeBrye: among other things it also lacks a back button. |
| 04:03.14 | Waldo-g1 | guess I installed the wrong one. |
| 04:03.27 | spikebike | thus the wait for a month ;-) |
| 04:03.33 | wastrel | Waldo-g1: i was using ircii in 1993 :] |
| 04:03.35 | spikebike | alas the hardy is kinda sucky in general |
| 04:03.39 | wastrel | it's ancient |
| 04:03.42 | spikebike | er hardware |
| 04:04.04 | spikebike | hopefully folks will jailbrake the g1 so folks can hack on it willy nilly |
| 04:04.06 | RyeBrye | Yeah, it was pretty decent when they announced it - but it took so long it was outdated when it hit the shelves |
| 04:04.09 | Waldo-g1 | wastrel yeah... that's the last time I had to install an irc client! |
| 04:04.22 | RyeBrye | I've been poking around, but there are no obvious weak links - or so it seems |
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| 04:04.47 | Waldo-g1 | wastrel so is irssi the best text-based one? I remember bitchx being popular at one point |
| 04:05.04 | unix_remote | try both. |
| 04:05.12 | unix_remote | irssi works on virtually everything though. |
| 04:05.19 | Waldo-g1 | okay I'll go with irssi then... |
| 04:05.21 | spikebike | irssi works decently for me from connectbox |
| 04:05.21 | Waldo-g1 | and junk this one |
| 04:05.26 | wastrel | irssi is the new bitchx |
| 04:05.29 | Waldo-g1 | got it |
| 04:05.30 | spikebike | although the status line would get wonky |
| 04:05.33 | Waldo-g1 | okay then irssi... |
| 04:05.47 | Waldo-g1 | it is.. I mean.. seirously I haven't used irc in a while.. |
| 04:05.55 | Waldo-g1 | gonna switch... back in a few. |
| 04:06.19 | spikebike | if the other htc devices are less locked down maybe someone will port android to one of them |
| 04:06.27 | spikebike | the other nice fit would be the treo pro |
| 04:06.31 | spikebike | almost identical hardware |
| 04:06.52 | spikebike | (resolution, cpu, gps, memory, graphics, etc.) |
| 04:07.02 | spikebike | and of course a hardware keyboard |
| 04:07.22 | spikebike | has the same qualcom 7201 or whatever it's called |
| 04:08.52 | RyeBrye | I wonder how hard it would be to create an SD simulator - basically a little card that would present itself as if it were an SD card - but you can control it... |
| 04:09.09 | RyeBrye | I'm not thinking it's practical, but it'd be a pretty cool little hacking device |
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| 04:11.51 | waldo___ | ooo purty |
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| 04:13.32 | waldo___ | way more readable |
| 04:14.42 | spikebike | can you see the entire status bar? |
| 04:15.06 | waldo___ | no its too long |
| 04:15.19 | waldo___ | but the color is great |
| 04:15.38 | BHSPitLappy | you're using a non-G1? |
| 04:17.44 | waldo___ | im using a g1 |
| 04:20.07 | elad | waldo__: are you using irissi? |
| 04:20.24 | umdk1d3 | <3 irssi |
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| 04:21.09 | waldo-g1 | yup |
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| 04:22.21 | waldo-g1 | i'll have to fool w the default settings later but the color/indentation is really nice as opposed to ircii. |
| 04:22.30 | michaelnovakjr_ | yawn |
| 04:22.45 | waldo-g1 | hey michaelnovakjr_ |
| 04:22.50 | michaelnovakjr_ | hey |
| 04:23.13 | waldo-g1 | congrats on the phone ;) |
| 04:23.17 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 04:23.32 | RyeBrye | Are the for-testing private keys in the repo, or are those also locked down? |
| 04:24.04 | RyeBrye | i.e. ota-rel-keys,for-testing,release-keys is what one user got on their phone after running some update |
| 04:25.04 | michaelnovakjr_ | this phone is slick |
| 04:25.16 | RyeBrye | The g1? yeah, it's nice |
| 04:25.27 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 04:25.34 | michaelnovakjr_ | just picked mine up today |
| 04:26.29 | spikebike | oh |
| 04:26.33 | spikebike | which build are you running? |
| 04:26.40 | michaelnovakjr_ | no idea |
| 04:26.47 | RyeBrye | do the update |
| 04:27.00 | RyeBrye | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=439733&page=8 post 77 |
| 04:27.04 | spikebike | settings -> about phone -> build number |
| 04:27.05 | RyeBrye | the rc28 makes it a little nicer even |
| 04:27.12 | spikebike | how so? |
| 04:27.20 | RyeBrye | the USB status indicator is pretty nice |
| 04:27.24 | michaelnovakjr_ | RC19 |
| 04:27.29 | spikebike | ah, k |
| 04:27.31 | spikebike | same ehre |
| 04:28.21 | michaelnovakjr_ | shipping with a flight of the conchords song is awesome |
| 04:28.46 | wastrel | that's a tv show |
| 04:28.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 04:28.58 | michaelnovakjr_ | but they are music :) |
| 04:29.53 | spikebike | I don't see that song |
| 04:29.58 | spikebike | or is it a ring tone? |
| 04:30.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | its in /sdcard/music |
| 04:30.22 | michaelnovakjr_ | or in the music player |
| 04:30.33 | michaelnovakjr_ | .. same thing |
| 04:30.44 | RyeBrye | Isn't that on your sdcard? |
| 04:30.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 04:31.11 | RyeBrye | ... maybe you bought someone's returned G1 with crap on the SD card already? :) |
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| 04:31.32 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) they did a good job packaging it up then :) |
| 04:31.50 | wastrel | no i got that too on mine |
| 04:32.23 | RyeBrye | ok |
| 04:32.29 | spikebike | ah, I didn't see it under music |
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| 04:32.33 | RyeBrye | Mine was returned, but it looked brand new |
| 04:32.33 | spikebike | I do see it moutned though |
| 04:32.41 | RyeBrye | and I ordered it from t-mobile |
| 04:32.42 | RyeBrye | online |
| 04:33.00 | RyeBrye | When I went to go to the web or something, it asked me to give a password for some random gmail account I've never heard of |
| 04:33.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | i went to a store and got it |
| 04:33.11 | RyeBrye | no big deal - I just did a factory reset - but it was really strange |
| 04:33.22 | michaelnovakjr_ | i was able to set my google apps account in gmail |
| 04:33.26 | michaelnovakjr_ | that was nice :) |
| 04:33.36 | michaelnovakjr_ | google apps === gmail :) |
| 04:33.39 | RyeBrye | 2fcdit123@gmail.com was the guy who had mine before |
| 04:33.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | what a dumb email address |
| 04:33.53 | RyeBrye | I even emailed him about it - but I think (based on the name) that was just a throwaway account |
| 04:33.55 | spikebike | does anyone know how to clean up your gtalk contacts? |
| 04:34.02 | spikebike | I've got a bunch I want to delete but can't seem to |
| 04:34.29 | spikebike | I tried firefix -> gmail, firefox -> talkgadget, and g1 -> IM -> gtalk |
| 04:34.42 | RyeBrye | spikebike: http://www.remingtonle.com/rifles/m24.htm that should do the trick |
| 04:34.56 | spikebike | heh |
| 04:35.10 | RyeBrye | Oh, you mean just deleting them? |
| 04:35.21 | RyeBrye | don't know |
| 04:35.23 | spikebike | ya, the junk ones |
| 04:39.41 | waldo-g1 | cool |
| 04:39.54 | DarkriftX | RyeBrye, any news on the update hacking? |
| 04:40.02 | DarkriftX | xda-devs seems to have quieted down |
| 04:40.04 | waldo-g1 | i like the pgup & down in irssi |
| 04:40.21 | spikebike | waldo how do you type that on the g1? |
| 04:40.31 | spikebike | your using connectbot? |
| 04:40.57 | waldo-g1 | swipe up on the left side of the screen |
| 04:41.05 | waldo-g1 | on g1 now yes |
| 04:41.13 | spikebike | sweet, I was looking for that today |
| 04:41.43 | waldo-g1 | lets you scroll beyond phone's memory |
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| 04:50.26 | michaelnovakjr_ | why would one of my machines tell me the compliance level is 1.4 when i have 1.5 installed and the same exact project builds fine on two other machines?? |
| 04:55.57 | waldo-g1 | complience level of java? |
| 04:56.02 | waldo-g1 | ance |
| 04:56.33 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 05:05.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | gcj is the worst thing ever created |
| 05:08.08 | waldo_ | michaelnovakjr is there a new glance to try out? |
| 05:08.16 | michaelnovakjr_ | trying to build |
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| 05:14.06 | waldo_ | using eclipse instead of ant or something? |
| 05:14.12 | michaelnovakjr_ | no its ant |
| 05:14.14 | michaelnovakjr_ | i figured it out |
| 05:14.31 | michaelnovakjr_ | it was gcj and all its extra crap that ubuntu installs when installing eclipse |
| 05:14.39 | michaelnovakjr_ | eclipse package in ubuntu is horrible |
| 05:14.52 | michaelnovakjr_ | all my other machines i installed it manually, go figur |
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| 05:17.38 | romainguy | gcj :(( |
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| 05:22.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea romainguy its annoying |
| 05:22.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | got a G1 though romainguy :) |
| 05:22.56 | romainguy | glad to hear it :) |
| 05:23.19 | michaelnovakjr__ | the graphics look great on it |
| 05:23.33 | romainguy | :)) |
| 05:24.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | went with the blue mountain background... |
| 05:24.21 | BHSPitLappy | Are there alternate UIs out yet? |
| 05:24.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | haven't seen any.... do we need them? |
| 05:24.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like the UI |
| 05:24.56 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr__: I took that picture :p |
| 05:25.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | i know :) |
| 05:25.19 | BHSPitLappy | michaelnovakjr, try running it on a QVGA-P screen |
| 05:25.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | i think its the best one in the bunch |
| 05:25.31 | romainguy | BHSPitLappy: well the UI is meant for HVGA :) |
| 05:25.35 | BHSPitLappy | michaelnovakjr, or a non-touchscreen, or a combination of the two |
| 05:25.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | BHSPitLappy: or just the G1 :) |
| 05:26.17 | BHSPitLappy | michaelnovakjr, if the OS was only for the G1, I wouldn't really mind |
| 05:26.46 | waldo_ | hope we start seeing it on car navigation systems... |
| 05:26.54 | BHSPitLappy | the emulator comes with HVGA and QVGA modes |
| 05:26.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | BHSPitLappy: well, currently it is :) |
| 05:27.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | as far as devices go... |
| 05:27.27 | romainguy | http://flickr.com/photos/romainguy/2990380043/ << speaking of photos, here is a new one |
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| 05:29.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | that's cool |
| 05:29.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | i like that one |
| 05:29.28 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr__: I still have 20 or so from that place to go through |
| 05:29.38 | romainguy | we actually had such a wallpaper in M3 |
| 05:29.47 | romainguy | I'm glad I can finally bring it back but with my own work :)) |
| 05:29.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | totally |
| 05:29.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
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| 05:30.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | the m5 one was good too |
| 05:30.24 | romainguy | which one? |
| 05:31.30 | BHSPitLappy | romainguy, go shoot Hueco Tanks |
| 05:32.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | it was similar to the mountain one... |
| 05:32.46 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr__: well in M5 there was a sunset over the mountains |
| 05:32.49 | romainguy | and it's in 1.0 |
| 05:32.55 | romainguy | there was also a sunrise over rice fields |
| 05:32.57 | romainguy | also in 1.0 |
| 05:32.58 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea, that was it |
| 05:33.01 | romainguy | BHSPitLappy: looks awesome |
| 05:33.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | the sun over mountains |
| 05:33.12 | romainguy | it's in 1.0 :) |
| 05:33.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | the second one :) |
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| 05:34.03 | BHSPitLappy | romainguy, spent a week there bouldering this summer, it's amazing |
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| 06:07.13 | RyeBrye | romainguy - do you do a lot of canyoneering? |
| 06:09.33 | RyeBrye | romainguy - do you do the technical ones? If you ever are up in the Utah area again and want to go through some of the cool ones in Zion or the San Rafael Swell - let me know :) |
| 06:10.12 | umdk1d3 | yay just saw the g1 commercial in 720p ^.^ |
| 06:10.30 | RyeBrye | my g1 isn't 720p |
| 06:10.34 | RyeBrye | I should return it ;( |
| 06:10.38 | RyeBrye | err ;) |
| 06:10.40 | ttuttle | RyeBrye: no you shouldn't ;-) |
| 06:10.54 | ttuttle | G1 commercial?! |
| 06:10.56 | ttuttle | Lemme see! |
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| 06:11.02 | umdk1d3 | lol its the same one on youtube |
| 06:11.04 | RyeBrye | I kind of wonder if to the rest of the world the G1 commercials are as easy to tune out as those stupid Samsung Instinct commercials |
| 06:11.05 | romainguy | RyeBrye: I just take pictures and walk around, nothing technical :)) |
| 06:11.07 | ttuttle | okay |
| 06:11.13 | umdk1d3 | was nice seeing it in hd tho |
| 06:11.27 | ttuttle | doesn't tune out the Instinct commercials. Are those the product-placement movie ones? They're hilarious. |
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| 06:11.43 | umdk1d3 | will have to mythtranscode it out later and rapidshare it or something |
| 06:11.48 | RyeBrye | ttuttle - I watch them - but I think 'Hm. that phone is probably a piece of crap' |
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| 06:12.56 | RyeBrye | romainguy - if you had any desire to do some of the technical stuff though, we've got enough gear between me and the 2 other guys I go with that we were able to bring 6 other beginners through a canyon in Arches last November |
| 06:13.08 | romainguy | that could be cool |
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| 06:15.25 | RyeBrye | http://gallery.mac.com/m1928#100000 that's a video of a short fun one that you could take a camera in very easily and get some good shots depending on the time of day... I edited that in the car on the way back from the trip last time |
| 06:15.56 | RyeBrye | now wonders how many years until the cell phone is capable of doing video editing of high-res video clips on the fly :) |
| 06:17.11 | romainguy | hauling photo gear in there must suck :)) |
| 06:17.33 | RyeBrye | It's not nearly as bad as hauling 400 feet of rope through some of the things we do |
| 06:17.55 | romainguy | well I have a lot of photo gear |
| 06:17.58 | romainguy | but I believe you :)) |
| 06:18.40 | RyeBrye | Yeah, you'd probably want to be selective on what you brought - one of the guys we sometimes go with is also a big photo buff and he could probably give you pointers on what he does with his stuff to make sure it survives and that he has what he wants |
| 06:18.59 | romainguy | yeah protecting the gear must be hard sometimes :) |
| 06:19.51 | RyeBrye | I spaced it and had my video camera in the top of my pack one time because it was acting up... normally I have it in a hard plastic underwater case but this canyon was a dry one so I didn't want that extra weight |
| 06:19.59 | RyeBrye | oops... |
| 06:20.40 | RyeBrye | once stuff goes into your pack, it's very easy to forget what is in there and just toss it around |
| 06:20.47 | romainguy | I bet |
| 06:21.01 | romainguy | I often do the same on hikes |
| 06:21.04 | romainguy | so I can't imagine there :) |
| 06:24.13 | RyeBrye | If you had a good, lightweight, but really adjustable tripod or something you could use to brace the camera against sandstone - you could get some amazing shots in some of these canyons |
| 06:24.31 | RyeBrye | The problem, of course, is that the lighting is always really low |
| 06:24.46 | romainguy | yeah, in Antelope I had my big sturdy tripod because it's a dry one with sand at the bottom |
| 06:25.11 | romainguy | I'd definitely not take this one in a canyon like the one from your video :) |
| 06:26.49 | RyeBrye | The Subway in Zion is a good one for photos - and it wouldn't be bad to take a camera through that one since the parts where you really want the nice photos it's safe to take all your gear out and stuff |
| 06:27.14 | romainguy | I'm planning on getting a new camera by the end of the year |
| 06:27.22 | romainguy | so I'll have at least one to sacrifice if need be ^^ |
| 06:27.40 | romainguy | (I sacrificed one in China already) |
| 06:27.46 | RyeBrye | That stinks |
| 06:28.38 | RyeBrye | Yeah, we're always looking for excuses to get out - so if you were coming up whenever just drop me a line and we could work something out... you could even probably just pick ones you wanted to do and we'd either be excited about it or tell you if they suck |
| 06:28.45 | RyeBrye | (most are good, but some suck) |
| 06:28.55 | romainguy | suck in what way? |
| 06:28.57 | romainguy | just boring? |
| 06:29.02 | RyeBrye | Yeah, boring |
| 06:29.19 | RyeBrye | or a really really long boring approach for a not-that-exciting canyon, followed by a really long buswacking exit |
| 06:29.36 | romainguy | way to ruin your groove :) |
| 06:29.38 | RyeBrye | Oooh |
| 06:29.50 | RyeBrye | you've heard of the narrows in Zion, right? There are 3 canyons that exit into the narrows |
| 06:30.01 | romainguy | yes, but I've never been to the narrows |
| 06:30.01 | RyeBrye | both Mystery and Imlay are awesome canyons |
| 06:31.02 | romainguy | at least they must not be too crowded |
| 06:31.08 | RyeBrye | Imlay is a very technical canyon - and it's not crowded at all |
| 06:31.11 | romainguy | Antelope was very disappointing in that regard :(( |
| 06:31.15 | RyeBrye | Oh, yeah |
| 06:31.24 | RyeBrye | These canyons are not at all crowded - you wont see anyone but the people in your group |
| 06:31.26 | romainguy | stupid foreign tourists :)) |
| 06:31.37 | romainguy | eheh that's cool |
| 06:32.28 | RyeBrye | Although when you drop into the narrows, usually that is crowded - more so in Mystery because it's close to the bus stop |
| 06:32.29 | RyeBrye | http://climb-utah.com/Zion/imlay1.htm |
| 06:32.56 | romainguy | must suck to get caught in a flash flood in there :) |
| 06:33.02 | RyeBrye | Yeah, you really watch the weather |
| 06:33.15 | RyeBrye | a flash flood would most definitely ruin your day |
| 06:34.01 | romainguy | -r day |
| 06:34.18 | RyeBrye | There are some canyons that have exits - but most do not |
| 06:34.48 | romainguy | well you can exit up and dead :) |
| 06:35.17 | RyeBrye | There is one in the San Rafael Swell called the Squeeze that's fun - and the exact opposite of crowded. At one point before you drop in the canyon, you can look in every direction and see absolutely no other person |
| 06:35.28 | romainguy | ahah sweet |
| 06:35.30 | RyeBrye | for several miles in every direction |
| 06:37.07 | RyeBrye | Most of the people who are really into technical slot canyons that I know are also technical people... lots of programmers, a few engineers, and one guy that now has a company making canyoneering gear graduated from MIT in something |
| 06:37.33 | romainguy | I wonder if there's a link :) |
| 06:38.16 | RyeBrye | There are a lot of fun challenges to it one you get into it - plus there must be some part of the brain that likes going through canyons that also likes doing other technical stuff.... I don't know |
| 06:39.43 | RyeBrye | The guy who did these photos is one of my friends too - but not in my regular group: http://www.canyoneeringusa.com/rave/dan0709esc/pages/page7.html |
| 06:39.49 | RyeBrye | he's also a big photo buff / canyoneering buff |
| 06:40.18 | romainguy | nice |
| 06:42.51 | BHSPitLappy | hey umdk1d3 |
| 06:44.45 | RyeBrye | http://www.danransom.com/TripReports/?cat=4 those are his trip reports - http://www.danransom.com/TripReports/?p=58 is one when I was with him in imlay |
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| 06:49.11 | DarkriftX | hrmmmmm |
| 06:49.41 | DarkriftX | i wonder what android devices will be available by tax return time :S |
| 06:51.12 | unix_remote | DarkriftX: you'll likely get a couple nice stimulus checks in the mail before then. |
| 06:51.28 | DarkriftX | i wouldnt count on it |
| 06:51.39 | DarkriftX | would be nice though |
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| 06:56.02 | mattgyver83 | is programming for android difficult, anyone have any good reads? |
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| 06:57.55 | muthu | android sdk docs is pretty good |
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| 07:37.33 | RyeBrye | http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?message.uid=24158 |
| 07:37.38 | RyeBrye | I like t-mobile's response: |
| 07:38.02 | RyeBrye | "The updates are being sent out to everyone. We didn't plan the OTA updates to be installed on a phone which had already been updated manually. Hopefully the OTA installer is smart enough to realize the update is present, but who knows. If your phone is 'bricked' due to the offical OTA being installed on a manually updated phone, once again, you are out of luck." |
| 07:38.15 | RyeBrye | Wow, that's dumb. |
| 07:38.18 | RyeBrye | I also like the tags on that guy's post |
| 07:38.22 | frito | ofc they are gonna say that is called cya |
| 07:38.47 | frito | i did the manual update though no problems worked fine =D |
| 07:38.49 | umdk1d3 | RyeBrye: rofl @ tagged as "fearmongering" |
| 07:39.13 | frito | lol yeah inaccuarte, technically wrong lol |
| 07:39.55 | romainguy | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1143 |
| 07:40.01 | romainguy | love the last sentence of the description |
| 07:40.25 | jsherman | lol |
| 07:40.26 | d03boy | your mom goes to college |
| 07:40.47 | frito | lol |
| 07:41.00 | RyeBrye | The guy at t-mobile has this impression I think in his mind like they have some kind of pipe that they just shove things down |
| 07:41.02 | umdk1d3 | idk it sounds like a very interesting idea |
| 07:41.04 | jsherman | romainguy, do you know if screenlocking is intentionally not supposed to work in the eng build |
| 07:41.06 | RyeBrye | and they magically fall into the hole in the phone or something |
| 07:41.10 | jsherman | and only in user builds or something |
| 07:41.10 | frito | "incase i do not survive the incident |
| 07:41.18 | romainguy | jsherman: what eng build? |
| 07:41.28 | jsherman | er the default target |
| 07:41.40 | romainguy | he also wants to use keyboard, mouses and printers on his phone... |
| 07:41.41 | umdk1d3 | frito: i mean, imagine like an explosion or something |
| 07:41.41 | jsherman | is an "eng" type build as opposed to a "user" one |
| 07:41.46 | romainguy | I should buy him a laptop |
| 07:41.54 | romainguy | jsherman: the open source release? |
| 07:41.58 | jsherman | yes |
| 07:42.06 | romainguy | it's probably normal |
| 07:42.12 | jsherman | ? |
| 07:42.48 | RyeBrye | romainguy - I want to use a bluetooth keyboard on mine - does that mean the bad guys are likely going to sieze my phone too? |
| 07:43.06 | romainguy | RyeBrye: if you use a CUPS printer with your phone, you're gonna die |
| 07:43.07 | frito | i dont think i would be concerned with my phone getting data of what is happening safe more than gettin my ass outta there and safe tbh |
| 07:43.11 | romainguy | or maybe I got confused :) |
| 07:43.17 | romainguy | frito: true :) |
| 07:43.23 | romainguy | especially if you have an EDGE connection ^^ |
| 07:43.26 | RyeBrye | :) |
| 07:43.31 | romainguy | or it's night time |
| 07:43.35 | romainguy | good luck with pictures |
| 07:43.45 | romainguy | ah the joys of public bug trackers |
| 07:43.46 | frito | indeed |
| 07:43.52 | RyeBrye | Yes - a better feature request would be being able to push the camera button in a special sequence of presses and have the phone turn into a hand grenade |
| 07:43.56 | RyeBrye | or at the very least a flash bomb |
| 07:43.58 | frito | nighttime pictures = teh sux |
| 07:44.04 | romainguy | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1144 |
| 07:44.06 | romainguy | this one is nice too |
| 07:44.22 | frito | and everyone knows the bad shit goes down at night ofc |
| 07:44.44 | RyeBrye | I could post one just like that guy: |
| 07:44.54 | jsherman | lmfao |
| 07:45.29 | RyeBrye | "I want my phone to be more like the kitchenaid I just bought: 1: accept different attachments so I can mash potatoes or beat eggs 2: have a detachable bowl that is dishwasher safe..." |
| 07:45.44 | frito | lol |
| 07:45.52 | frito | i vote for #2!! |
| 07:47.26 | RyeBrye | Hmm... this guy wins for worst explanation for wanting shell access on the phone: |
| 07:47.33 | RyeBrye | "Doing everything on an emulator is a hassle. When I am on the road I want |
| 07:47.33 | RyeBrye | to be able to develop and test directly on the G1 without having to carry a |
| 07:47.33 | RyeBrye | laptop around." |
| 07:47.38 | RyeBrye | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=1146 |
| 07:47.54 | RyeBrye | I can't wait to see him start Eclipse on his phone |
| 07:48.03 | DarkriftX | ROFL!!! |
| 07:48.04 | DarkriftX | A member of our Android Community (lgsilvaas), has just found instructions showing how to update your G1 without getting the over-the-air update. All you need is a MicroSD card to update to the new RC29 firmware. |
| 07:48.14 | DarkriftX | i like how they try to take credit for this |
| 07:48.19 | DarkriftX | it was first posted at xda-developers |
| 07:48.26 | DarkriftX | I am the one who posted it FIRST on androidcommunity |
| 07:48.40 | RyeBrye | Yeah, that's lame |
| 07:48.49 | frito | Should be able to attach, perhaps via USB or bluetooth, printers, |
| 07:48.49 | frito | scannners, and other such peripherals. Most important, initially, would be |
| 07:48.49 | frito | printers. |
| 07:48.51 | DarkriftX | i dont even want credit, but shit, give the credit to xda-devs |
| 07:48.52 | RyeBrye | but... apparently T-mobile might fry your phone |
| 07:48.54 | frito | buy a pc pls |
| 07:49.01 | RyeBrye | and Don't do it! You can't trust 3-rd party upgrades! |
| 07:49.09 | RyeBrye | Sheesh - I WISH you couldn't trust 3rd party upgrades |
| 07:49.11 | DarkriftX | google isnt 3rd party |
| 07:49.13 | RyeBrye | I know |
| 07:49.14 | DarkriftX | they are 4th party! |
| 07:49.17 | RyeBrye | btu that warning is such a joke |
| 07:49.23 | DarkriftX | i know, i laughed |
| 07:49.34 | romainguy | RyeBrye: they have a point, if you get the update from an untrusted source.... :) |
| 07:49.35 | DarkriftX | i can see some nerdy guy writing that while performing the upgrade |
| 07:49.36 | RyeBrye | if there was a legitimate reason to be worried about a 3rd party putting together a malicious update at this point, I would be overjoyed |
| 07:49.53 | DarkriftX | lol RyeBrye good point |
| 07:50.09 | RyeBrye | Yes, they probably haven't been trying to bang their way into as hard as the rest of us have |
| 07:50.17 | romainguy | look at it from their perspective |
| 07:50.35 | RyeBrye | They don't understand the signing process... etc. - I get that |
| 07:50.41 | romainguy | if they suddenly get a bunch of customers complaining that their phone is toast because they fucked up a manual update... |
| 07:51.18 | RyeBrye | It's true |
| 07:51.41 | RyeBrye | There is also a bug in the RC19 recovery mode that it only reads a certain kind of partition table |
| 07:51.56 | RyeBrye | (apparently) - I had to put it on a different micro SD card than the one that came with my phone to get it to work |
| 07:52.30 | RyeBrye | yeah, and I can understand T-mobile's approach... but the rollout speed for this update is ridiculously slow |
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| 07:53.07 | DarkriftX | that or the updates are too publicly known lol |
| 07:53.20 | DarkriftX | maybe all OTA updates are like that but most ppl arent expecting them |
| 07:53.20 | RyeBrye | Yeah, that might be the case as well |
| 07:53.42 | frito | i would say it prob is |
| 07:53.43 | romainguy | RyeBrye: don't be impatient |
| 07:54.08 | romainguy | OTAing tons of phone over a brand new 3G network is probably not something they want to fuck up :) |
| 07:54.21 | romainguy | the new RC won't give you tons of cool new shiny features :) |
| 07:54.30 | RyeBrye | It gives the USB indicator though :) |
| 07:54.32 | frito | thing is theres too many of our type of users that bought this phone that enjoy tweaking and modding their stuff so its to be expected imo |
| 07:54.34 | RyeBrye | That's shiny enough |
| 07:55.07 | romainguy | RyeBrye: agreed |
| 07:55.12 | romainguy | but that's about it :) |
| 07:55.22 | romainguy | wait for the 1.x updates to get excites |
| 07:55.24 | romainguy | excited |
| 07:55.29 | romainguy | I have a cool feature for Home :p |
| 07:55.32 | frito | lol yeah after i updated mine i was like look rc29 oo usb on status bar ooo |
| 07:56.13 | RyeBrye | I think it might change the algorithm for how they move the battery indicator - the battery info reads the same, but when it's at 60 on the battery info it has a lot more green in the battery icon than it used to I think |
| 07:56.18 | RyeBrye | but I might be crazy |
| 07:56.26 | frito | is still waiting for stereo bluetooth and/or music sent to mono bluetooth headsets |
| 07:56.36 | DarkriftX | romainguy, which is why we hosted that update all over rapidshare, to take the heat off their 3g network ;) |
| 07:56.45 | romainguy | RyeBrye: the battery charge sensors suck :) |
| 07:56.50 | DarkriftX | make rs foot the bw bill lol |
| 07:56.57 | RyeBrye | The battery has surprisingly good live |
| 07:56.59 | RyeBrye | err life |
| 07:57.07 | romainguy | yes but the indicator is just a big fat lie |
| 07:57.09 | romainguy | (I exaggerate) |
| 07:57.11 | RyeBrye | It's just that half of that life happens to be from 10% to 0% :) |
| 07:57.20 | romainguy | like sometimes it's at 15% for me |
| 07:57.27 | romainguy | I reboot the phone and it's actually at 50% |
| 07:57.27 | frito | yeah it works good so long as you dont blast the brightness and be a dumb user |
| 07:57.35 | romainguy | (my MacBook Pro does the same for some reason) |
| 07:57.51 | frito | have you done a full discharge a few times? |
| 07:57.53 | romainguy | DarkriftX: glad it makes you guys feel powerful to do the update manually :) |
| 07:57.56 | jsherman | what does it mean for a device to be "provisioned" |
| 07:58.09 | DarkriftX | romainguy, probably using a calculation of current power to "guess" current battery left instead of checking it every 3 minutes |
| 07:58.14 | romainguy | frito: yes but... I develop all day long on my devices, so they keep being plugged/unplugged :) |
| 07:58.19 | RyeBrye | jsherman - it means you need to fed-ex it to me... if it's an engineering device |
| 07:58.22 | romainguy | jsherman: that you went through the setupwizard |
| 07:58.24 | frito | i had that same thing happening untill i killed the battery 2 times and recharged it and now my bat gauge seems to be alot more accurate |
| 07:58.32 | romainguy | without provisionning, things get werid |
| 07:58.32 | frito | gotcha |
| 07:58.32 | jsherman | what setup wizard? |
| 07:58.37 | romainguy | like the Home key not working etc |
| 07:58.41 | romainguy | it doesn't exist on git |
| 07:58.47 | romainguy | it's replaced by an automatic dummy app |
| 07:58.50 | jsherman | ugh that is what is messing everything up |
| 07:59.02 | romainguy | you can wipe your data |
| 07:59.05 | romainguy | that should fix the problem |
| 07:59.09 | jsherman | ? |
| 07:59.18 | RyeBrye | Yeah, the LiIon batteries have their own internal thing that you can help calibrate by getting them dead as a doornail |
| 07:59.20 | jsherman | didnt you say its not on git |
| 07:59.31 | romainguy | jsherman: but it has a replacement |
| 07:59.40 | jsherman | what does the replacement do? |
| 07:59.46 | romainguy | if you were using the emulator from before the git version, you might have stale data that does weird things |
| 07:59.53 | romainguy | it sets the provisioned flag |
| 07:59.59 | jsherman | er |
| 08:00.09 | romainguy | RyeBrye: yeah, when the manufacturer doesn't get cheap :) |
| 08:00.15 | jsherman | no the emulator im using was built with git |
| 08:00.20 | jsherman | and the data and system images |
| 08:00.23 | romainguy | but did you use one from the SDK before? |
| 08:00.32 | romainguy | on the same machine |
| 08:00.35 | jsherman | yeah |
| 08:00.38 | romainguy | yeah |
| 08:00.39 | romainguy | so wipe data |
| 08:00.45 | romainguy | or rm -Rf ~/.android |
| 08:00.46 | jsherman | but isn't the data image stored in data.img? |
| 08:00.50 | romainguy | no |
| 08:00.53 | romainguy | that's the base data image |
| 08:00.56 | jsherman | oh |
| 08:01.00 | jsherman | i'm an idiot |
| 08:01.00 | romainguy | data you write is stored in ~/.android |
| 08:01.17 | jsherman | emulator -wipe-data will remove that stuff? |
| 08:01.21 | romainguy | it should yes |
| 08:01.36 | romainguy | it's something you learn quickly when you work on the source code of the Android OS :) |
| 08:02.04 | romainguy | (for instance, our system currently hates being downgraded :) |
| 08:02.49 | RyeBrye | How would a 'test' build differ from a 'user' build? aside from having the test keys installed with it? |
| 08:03.15 | romainguy | I've never heard of test builds |
| 08:03.16 | RyeBrye | I assume that the 'for-testing' keys are also held secret and aren't in any repo anywhere? |
| 08:03.30 | RyeBrye | There is at least one normal person whohas one now :) |
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| 08:03.59 | RyeBrye | http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441385&page=2 |
| 08:04.00 | jsherman | no |
| 08:04.03 | jsherman | that did not provision it |
| 08:04.20 | RyeBrye | post #19 |
| 08:04.33 | RyeBrye | his keys list: ota-rel-keys,for-testing,release-keys |
| 08:04.36 | romainguy | lol |
| 08:04.42 | romainguy | that's just a tag |
| 08:04.46 | RyeBrye | ah |
| 08:04.46 | RyeBrye | gotcha |
| 08:04.47 | RyeBrye | :( |
| 08:04.47 | romainguy | he has a simple user build |
| 08:04.54 | jsherman | romainguy, it doesn't provision |
| 08:04.57 | romainguy | for-testing means it was approved to go to QA |
| 08:05.19 | RyeBrye | someone forgot to remove it apparently |
| 08:05.27 | romainguy | doesn't matter |
| 08:05.47 | jsherman | what *exactly* does provisioning entail |
| 08:05.49 | jsherman | in a real build |
| 08:05.56 | jsherman | i don't have a G1 so i've never seen this setup wizard |
| 08:05.57 | romainguy | just what I said |
| 08:06.10 | romainguy | you just enter your Google login/password |
| 08:06.13 | RyeBrye | Mine was already provisioned when I got it for some random user |
| 08:06.16 | romainguy | a provision flag is set to 1 |
| 08:06.20 | romainguy | and that's about it |
| 08:06.20 | RyeBrye | apparently it had been returned before |
| 08:06.25 | jsherman | what is the purpose of it? |
| 08:06.53 | romainguy | jsherman: to know that you provisioned the device correctly :) |
| 08:07.10 | jsherman | ok... |
| 08:07.18 | jsherman | you're sure the git version has some fake provisioner? |
| 08:07.19 | jsherman | i can't find it |
| 08:07.32 | romainguy | it should be there |
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| 08:09.10 | waldo___ | how do i reattach a screen session? |
| 08:09.20 | gdsx | waldo___: screen -r |
| 08:09.59 | romainguy | jsherman: it might be a prebuilt binary |
| 08:10.07 | jsherman | ok |
| 08:10.10 | jsherman | i'll keep looking |
| 08:10.14 | romainguy | or the keyguard/screenlock isn't simply activated |
| 08:10.23 | romainguy | I seem to recall that my mainline emulator didn't have it today |
| 08:10.38 | jsherman | it isn't turning on (and also home key) b/c the device is not provisioned |
| 08:11.05 | romainguy | lemme try my git tree |
| 08:11.14 | waldo___ | thx... gonna try it |
| 08:11.15 | jsherman | ./development/apps/SdkSetup/src/com/android/sdksetup/DefaultActivity.java:37: System.putInt(getContentResolver(), System.DEVICE_PROVISIONED, 1); |
| 08:11.20 | jsherman | okay |
| 08:11.23 | jsherman | i guess that isn't getting run |
| 08:11.28 | romainguy | here you go, that's the one |
| 08:11.52 | romainguy | you can always go set this flag to 1 in the database yourself |
| 08:12.04 | jsherman | i mean |
| 08:12.11 | romainguy | yeah it doesn't work for me either |
| 08:12.11 | jsherman | it seems to me these things should work, no? |
| 08:12.16 | jsherman | i mean you should be able to download the source |
| 08:12.18 | jsherman | compile it |
| 08:12.22 | jsherman | and it should just work |
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| 08:12.26 | DarkriftX | anyone know what the version of "androidboy" is in the market? |
| 08:12.30 | romainguy | you know, it's a HUGE project |
| 08:12.37 | romainguy | and open sourcing it was NOT simple |
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| 08:12.46 | jsherman | yeah yeah im not complaining |
| 08:12.46 | romainguy | in particular the entire tree layout has changed |
| 08:12.55 | romainguy | and there are tons of build specific things |
| 08:12.55 | jsherman | i thought you were saying |
| 08:13.04 | romainguy | so yeah there are hiccups and I'm sorry for them :(( |
| 08:13.06 | jsherman | it was intended to be that way |
| 08:13.10 | romainguy | I'm sure somebody's on it |
| 08:13.13 | romainguy | oh no |
| 08:13.17 | jsherman | i am :] |
| 08:13.25 | jsherman | i fixed the dns problem, and now ill fix the other 2 issues I filed |
| 08:13.26 | romainguy | I was saying it looks like a bug that we also have internally |
| 08:13.47 | jsherman | ah ok |
| 08:14.05 | romainguy | http://review.source.android.com/1568 |
| 08:14.16 | jsherman | ya |
| 08:14.22 | jsherman | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=996&q=dns&colspec=ID Type Version Security Status Owner Summary |
| 08:14.56 | romainguy | ok |
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| 08:15.22 | romainguy | I'm sad that most changes so far are for boring stuff like DNS and makefiles :p |
| 08:15.34 | romainguy | why is nobody fixing my bugs in the android.* packages? :) |
| 08:15.45 | romainguy | bunch of slackers you all :p |
| 08:16.12 | DarkriftX | fixes them with a trusty ole' rm -R * |
| 08:16.15 | DarkriftX | all fixed! |
| 08:16.17 | jsherman | yeah its another |
| 08:16.20 | jsherman | make problem |
| 08:16.31 | jsherman | SdkSetup isn't copied |
| 08:22.17 | waldo-g1 | ooooo |
| 08:22.22 | waldo-g1 | worked |
| 08:24.21 | DarkriftX | ? |
| 08:25.34 | gdsx | romainguy: so, does it ever rain around here? Or are do the forecasters scare away the precipitation? |
| 08:27.09 | jsherman | hmm what determines what apps are copied to /system |
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| 08:39.26 | romainguy | gdsx: it doesn't rain from march to november |
| 08:39.49 | romainguy | jsherman: look at the Android.mk files of the apps |
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| 09:03.35 | jsherman | this is really confusing |
| 09:03.40 | jsherman | it seems like there's two build systems |
| 09:03.41 | jsherman | like |
| 09:03.55 | jsherman | stuff can be included via LOCAL_MODULE_TAGS including "eng" |
| 09:04.09 | jsherman | or it can be included if LOCAL_PACKAGE_NAME is listed in PRODUCT_PACKAGES |
| 09:04.15 | jsherman | why are there two ways? |
| 09:18.16 | ascii__ | how do you add scroll to a view? |
| 09:18.29 | ascii__ | for example a LinearLaout.. |
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| 09:19.19 | muthu | use a scrollview |
| 09:20.24 | ascii__ | does anyone have an api better than the one on code.google.com ? |
| 09:20.34 | ascii__ | btw, thanks muthu :) |
| 09:20.56 | muthu | ascii__: welcome, the source code is the new api ;) |
| 09:21.20 | muthu | there are docs in git, but not sure if its uptodate |
| 09:21.46 | ascii__ | i had a javadoc like api earlier..but my firefox crashed and i can't remember where i found it.. |
| 09:22.03 | muthu | its bundled with your sdkj |
| 09:22.09 | muthu | sdk |
| 09:22.25 | ascii__ | i know, but that one is shit.. |
| 09:22.37 | muthu | that's what we got |
| 09:22.42 | muthu | or build from git |
| 09:23.49 | ascii__ | dammit..i had a good one earlier..with frames - packages in one window, classes in the other and references in the last.. |
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| 09:24.19 | muthu | do you have the sdk? |
| 09:24.21 | JoeBrain | Happy Halloweeeeeen! |
| 09:24.23 | ascii__ | yes.. |
| 09:24.26 | muthu | check in tools folder |
| 09:24.56 | muthu | happy hallooooooweeeeen |
| 09:25.08 | JoeBrain | yayyy |
| 09:26.09 | muthu | ascii__: if you build from git |
| 09:26.18 | muthu | there are docs in 'out/target/common/docs' |
| 09:26.44 | ascii__ | ahh...cheers.. |
| 09:27.33 | ascii__ | i've got one more question you prob can answer...i have a couple of listviews and stuff in my application, when i rotate my device(open the keyboard), the lists clear - how can i avoid that? |
| 09:28.08 | muthu | save your state in onsaveinstancestate |
| 09:28.27 | muthu | and then reload them from bundle in oncreate |
| 09:32.07 | ascii__ | that means i have to save every variable in use to the bundle? |
| 09:32.27 | muthu | most of them would be autosaved |
| 09:32.42 | muthu | but if you lose state, then manually save them |
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| 09:37.15 | ascii__ | i can't save objects to bundle which is not serializable or parcelable ? |
| 09:37.28 | muthu | yep |
| 09:40.05 | ascii__ | yep i can, or yep i can't? :p |
| 09:40.37 | muthu | can't |
| 09:40.53 | muthu | use one of the bundle methods |
| 09:41.07 | muthu | putxxx |
| 09:41.43 | ascii__ | yea, thought so.. |
| 09:42.09 | muthu | big overhead.. so avoid bundling objects |
| 10:05.26 | ascii__ | okey, this is confusing me, so i have a onCreate() where i set listviews adapters and other stuff...when i open the keyboard, the onCreate() will be called again..is that why my list get reset? |
| 10:05.49 | ascii__ | or is the lists already empty before onCreate is called?ergo, it's a new instance of the activity.. |
| 10:06.16 | muthu | the activity is recreated.. so oncreate is called again |
| 10:06.30 | ascii__ | geez.. |
| 10:06.42 | ascii__ | thats a, excuse me, fuckin hazzel.. |
| 10:06.48 | muthu | hehe |
| 10:07.58 | ascii__ | that means i have to go through all me ArrayAdapters, Lists etc and make 'em Arrays, then save em to the bundle, and then check if they are there in the onCreate() method..? |
| 10:08.13 | muthu | yep |
| 10:08.46 | muthu | lists can maintain their state |
| 10:08.54 | muthu | not sure why your list is blanking out |
| 10:09.17 | muthu | ha, |
| 10:09.27 | muthu | yeah, so don't initialize the list in oncreate |
| 10:09.32 | muthu | do it in onresume |
| 10:09.49 | muthu | onstart probly |
| 10:18.14 | ascii__ | aha...i'll give it a shot :p |
| 10:19.38 | ascii__ | is there a way to simulate this in the emulator? |
| 10:22.06 | muthu | cntl f11 |
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| 10:27.18 | ascii__ | i initialize my list in both onresume and onstart..blanks out anyway.. |
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| 14:34.42 | coding | help!! Where to download the JAVA SDK installer? there is no such thing anymore in sun website |
| 14:36.55 | tweakt | http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp |
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| 14:37.04 | tweakt | Java SE Development Kit (JDK) 6 Update 10 |
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| 14:41.50 | coding | tweakt: which one sir? |
| 14:42.14 | coding | tweakt: Java SE Development Kit (JDK) 6 Update 10 or JDK 6 Update 10 with Java EE ? |
| 14:43.21 | tweakt | SE like I said |
| 14:43.27 | coding | ah thanks\ |
| 14:43.46 | coding | why they dont fix that in the Google guide, its confusing |
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| 15:03.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | did the Android File Manager get taken off the market? |
| 15:05.54 | waldo_ | i dunno |
| 15:06.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | i don't see it there anymore |
| 15:06.22 | waldo_ | looking |
| 15:06.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | that mobeegal app is terrible |
| 15:06.30 | waldo_ | maybe becasue of the name (?) |
| 15:06.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | maybe |
| 15:06.50 | waldo_ | i'm getting server errors on the market |
| 15:07.55 | coding | may i use VIM instead of Eclipse? |
| 15:08.07 | gambler | you may |
| 15:08.46 | waldo_ | hmm network is odd for my phone |
| 15:09.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | coding: you can use anything you want |
| 15:09.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | coding: you can build on the command line using Ant or Mvn |
| 15:09.53 | waldo_ | michaelnovakjr check again its the very latest by date |
| 15:10.08 | gambler | coding: eclim / vimplugin is probably what your looking for |
| 15:10.20 | coding | wow |
| 15:10.42 | coding | how long takes to learn Android? |
| 15:11.03 | waldo_ | michaelnovakjr: "In version 1.1.1 you can view the thubnails directly and hear song. You can press the file to open it. And the edit menu will be poped up when you do one long press. Next version has multiselect, sort, trash, more powerful pic and music function. Updated everyweek." |
| 15:11.18 | waldo_ | downloading now |
| 15:11.21 | gambler | coding, A thousand mile journey begins with a single step. |
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| 15:11.36 | coding | gambler: like 1 year? |
| 15:11.53 | gambler | coding, so if your travelling 100 mph, it takes exactly 10 hours. |
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| 15:12.32 | waldo_ | michaelnovakjr__ did you find it? |
| 15:12.44 | elad1 | nice metaphors gamblers |
| 15:12.53 | coding | gambler: ahhh 1 month!! nice |
| 15:12.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | nope |
| 15:13.01 | michaelnovakjr__ | where is it |
| 15:13.15 | gambler | elad1, thx. I can tell you how to say that in japanese too :p |
| 15:13.16 | waldo_ | it's at the very very top of "Applications->All->by Date" |
| 15:14.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | found it |
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| 15:17.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | is it just me or can you only navigate the sdcard? |
| 15:18.46 | waldo_ | w/her thing? |
| 15:19.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea |
| 15:19.54 | waldo_ | yeah... i can't scroll down |
| 15:20.48 | waldo_ | no controls for the music playing either |
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| 15:23.29 | muthu | michaelnovakjr: what's terrible about mobeegal? |
| 15:24.52 | muthu | that guy is the sorest loser i've ever seen |
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| 15:27.14 | muthu | does nothing but bitch about others |
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| 15:28.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | ouch |
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| 15:30.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | so why am i a sore loser muthu? |
| 15:30.50 | michaelnovakjr__ | the app wouldn't work for me |
| 15:31.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | muthu i'm obviously not alone, the app has one star |
| 15:31.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | so chill :) |
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| 15:40.45 | elad1 | anyone here own a newer thinpad, with hybrid graphics? |
| 15:41.07 | gambler | elad1, yep |
| 15:42.17 | elad1 | how the heck do you switch from integrated back to discrete? |
| 15:44.10 | gambler | dunno :/ |
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| 15:44.42 | elad1 | heh |
| 15:45.00 | elad1 | I opened the lid and it asked me if I wanted to switch to integrated |
| 15:45.20 | gambler | maybe try #thinkpad? |
| 15:45.23 | elad1 | since i've never done it before I was gonna test it, but now I cant get back |
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| 15:50.32 | babelawra_ | hi , after building android sources , how can i put it on my htc ? please |
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| 15:51.24 | commonsguy | if by "htc" you mean the G1, i'm not sure you can |
| 15:51.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | babelawra_: you can't |
| 15:52.15 | commonsguy | with luck, other devices in the future will allow flashing unsigned firmware |
| 15:52.25 | babelawra_ | ok thx |
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| 15:56.25 | elad1 | well I set it back via bios |
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| 16:22.14 | gdsx | romainguy: In Soviet California, the rain eludes you |
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| 16:47.54 | coding1 | what JDT and WST needs to be installed in Eclipse? |
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| 16:49.55 | mmattice | is it just me, or do sms notifications not do anything other than make noise? can you not make it vibrate? |
| 16:50.18 | coding1 | dunno, im installing eclipse |
| 16:50.32 | coding1 | any other models with android coming soon? |
| 16:51.13 | mmattice | I've heard rumors that sprint is going to have an android phone |
| 16:51.47 | commonsguy | coding1: Asus rumored early 2009, OpenMoko rumored early 2009, Motorola late 2009 |
| 16:52.16 | coding1 | ah cool, is it necessary to get a phone to code? |
| 16:52.36 | commonsguy | no |
| 16:52.43 | commonsguy | the SDK comes with an emulator |
| 16:52.55 | commonsguy | most of us have only had phones in the past week or two |
| 16:53.06 | coding1 | oh |
| 16:53.12 | coding1 | what model is in fashion now? |
| 16:53.26 | commonsguy | the only one that's available: T-Mobile G1 |
| 16:53.32 | neekers | well, white or black. |
| 16:53.47 | SamSerious | White? |
| 16:54.04 | neekers | isn't it white? i bought a black one |
| 16:54.16 | commonsguy | actually, i heard white was back at the shop due to paint-flaking problems |
| 16:54.24 | neekers | oh |
| 16:54.29 | commonsguy | black and 'bronze' (brown) should be available tho |
| 16:54.42 | neekers | i love my black g1, it is slick |
| 16:55.31 | SamSerious | mine is not.. creaking screen :( I checked brown and it feels solid |
| 16:55.47 | SamSerious | but it has back light problem |
| 16:56.01 | neekers | creaking screen? take it back..... |
| 16:56.07 | mmattice | SamSerious: I seriously (no pun intended) doubt the bronzes won't have the same problems |
| 16:56.21 | neekers | my screen does not creek |
| 16:56.29 | tmccrary | my bronze rocks |
| 16:56.32 | tmccrary | no creaking |
| 16:57.14 | SamSerious | Yeah. I checked at tmo store.. |
| 16:57.35 | SamSerious | they kept both on display. |
| 16:59.02 | SamSerious | tmccrary: can you send a pic of your bronze in dark with backlihgt on? I wanna see how bad it is. Probably I'll exchange with bronze. |
| 16:59.56 | coding1 | guys, what eclipse , WST addon should be installed? |
| 17:01.18 | tmccrary | SamSerious: Sorry, I just tried but with the camera on, the backlight turns off |
| 17:01.27 | tmccrary | I don't have another camera |
| 17:01.49 | tmccrary | I grabbed another mirror ;( |
| 17:01.52 | tmccrary | but that said, its not bad |
| 17:01.55 | SamSerious | HAHAHA |
| 17:02.02 | SamSerious | mirror! |
| 17:02.12 | tmccrary | with the light from the keyboard and the backlight, it isn't that bad in the dark |
| 17:02.18 | tmccrary | although I have pretty decent vision |
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| 17:02.26 | SamSerious | I have glasses :p |
| 17:02.46 | tmccrary | ah, I don't |
| 17:03.36 | SamSerious | OK, whats the process of sending it back? Tmobile pays for shipping? |
| 17:03.57 | elad1 | yo gambler you here? |
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| 17:06.57 | RyeBrye | http://labs.opera.com/news/2008/04/10/ probably old news, but the use of the J2ME emulator thing is a cool idea if it works fast |
| 17:06.58 | coding1 | SamSerious: you dont like the phone? |
| 17:07.26 | SamSerious | creaking screen.. :| |
| 17:07.57 | RyeBrye | I imagine the process for getting if fixed involves first calling them up |
| 17:08.04 | RyeBrye | and then they will probably tell you the rest of the process |
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| 17:08.20 | tmccrary | What they don't say is "We developed an android port... because Apple banned us" |
| 17:08.22 | tmccrary | ;) |
| 17:08.28 | scootley | mmattice: home->messaging->menu:settings->notification settings->vibrate |
| 17:08.36 | RyeBrye | Apple are bastards about that |
| 17:08.46 | SamSerious | Ah. OK. will do |
| 17:08.58 | RyeBrye | I really don't want to run Firefox on my phone, but I know they will eventually have an android version - which will be cool |
| 17:09.23 | mmattice | scootley: thanks. would think that setting would be in the main group of settings |
| 17:09.24 | SamSerious | I'd prefer Opera |
| 17:10.06 | tmccrary | yeah, my quad core intel at home barely handles firefox @ 2560x1600 anymore |
| 17:10.12 | RyeBrye | yeah, but opera mini is really underpowered compared to webkit |
| 17:10.13 | tmccrary | its gets choppy, which is sad |
| 17:13.19 | halley | I *almost* don't need a voice phone at all, but want edge/g3 networking fulltime unlike finding wifi. Too bad t-mobile has to stack a ridiculously expensive voice plan on top of the data plan (or vice versa). |
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| 17:14.12 | tmccrary | halley: buy a Nokia n810 instead then |
| 17:14.33 | tmccrary | my voice plain is 24.99 |
| 17:14.35 | tmccrary | *plan |
| 17:14.38 | tmccrary | not really that expensive |
| 17:14.38 | halley | I have one of those. But please read my phrase 'fulltime unlike finding wifi'. |
| 17:14.53 | tmccrary | there is a version that has that |
| 17:14.59 | tmccrary | I think it's from sprint? |
| 17:15.08 | coding1 | No repository found at https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ Error reading update site https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/. Unconnected sockets not implemented |
| 17:15.25 | coding1 | Why i get this error in Eclipse? |
| 17:15.27 | halley | That's wimax which is useless in USA. |
| 17:15.36 | tmccrary | ah |
| 17:15.41 | coding1 | halley: why is useless wimax? |
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| 17:16.01 | SamSerious | 3G would be nice |
| 17:16.12 | halley | Coverage area of all of USA fits inside my desk drawer. |
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| 17:18.15 | coding1 | help? |
| 17:18.26 | coding1 | Help, i got this error in eclipse updates: No repository found at https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ Error reading update site https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/. Unconnected sockets not implemented |
| 17:19.03 | commonsguy | coding1: try switching to http instead of https in the URL |
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| 17:19.50 | coding1 | works |
| 17:19.52 | coding1 | thank you! |
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| 17:34.44 | DarkriftX | i have firefox (gran paridiso) running on a handheld device. its VERY slow but it runs |
| 17:35.02 | DarkriftX | 266mhz i believe it is |
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| 18:08.38 | DarkriftX | sure is quiet in here today |
| 18:08.44 | coding | help |
| 18:08.48 | coding | when i create a project |
| 18:09.03 | coding | the wizard ask for 2 indentifiers in the name, whats that? |
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| 18:09.37 | cbeust_ | Aren't these the package and the main activity name? |
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| 18:12.10 | WildCaterpillar | what should the firmware be after the newest update? |
| 18:12.53 | frito | RC29 |
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| 18:13.22 | WildCaterpillar | oh so not the firmware version, but the build number |
| 18:13.30 | frito | yes |
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| 18:14.02 | WildCaterpillar | and is there a webpage which lists releases with build numbers and release dates? |
| 18:14.15 | WildCaterpillar | ...eg, was this release 'tagged' on the repo? |
| 18:14.24 | frito | not that i know of but theres only been 3 |
| 18:14.32 | zhobbs | hmm...can't figure out how to unset a contact's picture |
| 18:14.44 | frito | rc19,rc28(got canceled), and rc29 |
| 18:15.17 | WildCaterpillar | ok. thanks! |
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| 18:15.48 | WildCaterpillar | and btw, is this channel meant primarily as a user or dev channel? |
| 18:16.09 | cbeust_ | Either, and more |
| 18:17.20 | WildCaterpillar | zhobbs: press "Menu" : "Remove Icon" |
| 18:17.44 | DarkriftX | frito, do you have anymore detailed info on the releases? |
| 18:17.47 | DarkriftX | filenames etc? |
| 18:18.11 | DarkriftX | i was making exactly what he is asking for (list of updates and info about them) but wasnt able to find anything |
| 18:18.44 | frito | i could dig up the fourm post with what has been fixed in rc29 |
| 18:19.31 | zhobbs | WildCaterpillar: nice, that was obvious |
| 18:19.34 | zhobbs | WildCaterpillar: thanks |
| 18:19.49 | frito | lol |
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| 18:22.36 | frito | http://forums.t-mobile.com/tmbl/board/message?board.id=Android3&thread.id=10521 |
| 18:22.44 | frito | list of changes in the update |
| 18:23.30 | WildCaterpillar | does someone have the repo checked out? does 'git tag -l' list this latest release? |
| 18:23.40 | coding | Woooohooo ive made HELLO WORLD! |
| 18:23.49 | frito | where would i find that |
| 18:23.52 | coding | now i can call myself, Android Developer |
| 18:24.42 | WildCaterpillar | find what? |
| 18:24.52 | DarkriftX | ok, ty |
| 18:24.57 | frito | repo not sure what that is |
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| 18:25.11 | WildCaterpillar | the git repository: http://git.android.com/ |
| 18:26.42 | frito | oh idk i'm not a dev and not that programmer savy etc |
| 18:26.54 | frito | you want the link to the update so you could look? |
| 18:27.13 | WildCaterpillar | sure |
| 18:27.26 | frito | https://android.clients.google.com/updates/signed-kila-ota-115247-prereq.TC4-RC19+RC28.zip |
| 18:30.01 | WildCaterpillar | hmm...anyone know how to unset a lock pattern? i have previously set one...but now i'd like to clear it altogether |
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| 18:30.41 | geist | look on the smudge on your screen, follow the pattern, then turn off the key lock in the settings |
| 18:31.00 | WildCaterpillar | sure, i can turn "Require Pattern" off |
| 18:31.08 | WildCaterpillar | but i'd really like to *clear* it |
| 18:31.21 | geist | good point |
| 18:31.31 | geist | guess you have to just set it to something else |
| 18:31.37 | WildCaterpillar | i don't want to have to remember it 6 months from now if i ever decide to turn it back on |
| 18:31.38 | frito | yea |
| 18:32.15 | frito | i think the only way to clear it back to default is to do a factory reset prolly |
| 18:32.39 | WildCaterpillar | sounds like this needs to be a new "feature"... |
| 18:32.41 | frito | i just made mine a simple down and right pattern so its hard to forget and use it all the time |
| 18:32.46 | cbeust_ | WildCaterpillar: what's the difference between not requiring it and clearing it? |
| 18:32.49 | coding | why the street view doesnt work in the Android emulator? |
| 18:33.07 | DarkriftX | frito, that link yo just pasted, is that the rc29 update or the rc28 update :S |
| 18:33.11 | WildCaterpillar | cbeust_: because i think if you ever want to change it 6 months from now, you still need to input your old one |
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| 18:33.38 | WildCaterpillar | cbeust_: so it requires that you remember something you arent even using....which is sad |
| 18:33.43 | cbeust_ | Ah I see |
| 18:33.47 | frito | that is the RC29 update |
| 18:33.54 | DarkriftX | ok, thats waht i thought |
| 18:34.01 | frito | i know i installed it on my phone |
| 18:34.18 | frito | its confusing the way they worded the file though |
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| 18:35.20 | frito | but if you notice it says prereq.TC4-RC19+RC28 meaning the update will update from RC19 or RC29 |
| 18:35.29 | DarkriftX | yeah |
| 18:35.44 | DarkriftX | looks like it says anything from rc19-28 can handle that update |
| 18:35.54 | frito | err yea meant to say RC28 |
| 18:36.26 | frito | that is possible but if there are versions between RC19-28 they were never made public |
| 18:36.53 | DarkriftX | i dont like how they call them "RC" |
| 18:37.01 | WildCaterpillar | why is that? |
| 18:37.01 | DarkriftX | makes me think release candidate |
| 18:37.06 | frito | yep |
| 18:37.11 | cbeust_ | That's what they are |
| 18:37.12 | DarkriftX | even though most realize this is a beta |
| 18:37.14 | WildCaterpillar | is it not, in their mind? |
| 18:37.18 | cbeust_ | and that's why we call them that |
| 18:37.25 | DarkriftX | selling it as a beta seems to lower the value in my mind |
| 18:37.25 | frito | we are all beta testers |
| 18:37.36 | DarkriftX | yeah, that should be assumed though lol |
| 18:37.50 | DarkriftX | its like throwing a big "BETA" sticker on the box |
| 18:37.51 | frito | well you bought the phone not the software that part is free ;) |
| 18:37.59 | DarkriftX | didnt buy anything yet |
| 18:38.11 | DarkriftX | but yeah, i understand |
| 18:38.32 | DarkriftX | its more about semantics then it is the fact that its actually a beta still. |
| 18:41.01 | og__ | can someone who is familiar with the notepadv1 tutorial... what i dont get is where the cursor adapter get attached to the notepad_list |
| 18:41.25 | cbeust_ | There is a setAdapter call somewhere |
| 18:41.32 | cbeust_ | probably getListView().setAdapter() in the activity |
| 18:41.40 | cbeust_ | (just guessing, I haven't looked at this tutorial in a while) |
| 18:41.41 | og__ | setlist adapter |
| 18:41.58 | og__ | sorry typing on the g1 |
| 18:42.12 | og__ | internet down at home |
| 18:42.31 | DarkriftX | see? this poor guy needs a tethering app pronto! |
| 18:42.50 | coding | wow, you can connect to irc from g1? |
| 18:42.58 | og__ | heh |
| 18:43.01 | frito | yeah i was gonna say that |
| 18:43.04 | og__ | connectbot |
| 18:43.04 | coding | where is the installare? |
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| 18:43.12 | og__ | to a friends box |
| 18:43.18 | frito | ah |
| 18:44.11 | og__ | right so the main class sets its contentview to notepad_list |
| 18:44.45 | og__ | so setlistadapter attaches the notes_row? |
| 18:45.24 | og__ | hard to articulate ona small keyboard on a not perfect ssh client |
| 18:45.25 | WildCaterpillar | self-signed certs for imap mail: i've read that one must select "Use SSL (if available)". How can i be sure that i am actually using it |
| 18:46.20 | DarkriftX | anyone here know what the sd card is on the g1 (in /dev/)? |
| 18:47.29 | DarkriftX | in the emu i think its mmcblk0 but someone getting errors installing shows its mmcblk0p1 and im guessing its a partition problem but wanting to validate that idea first |
| 18:48.18 | DarkriftX | ok, i said that wrong. someone trying to install the upgrade is getting failures saying "E: cant mount dev/block/mmcblk0p1" and I am guessing its a partition error |
| 18:48.54 | og__ | hmm i think i get it |
| 18:54.04 | og__ | hmm perhaps i'll understand a bit better once the code gets a bit more complicated |
| 18:54.34 | og__ | thanks guys |
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| 18:56.27 | DarkriftX | anyone? |
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| 19:00.19 | kslater | anyone lose cell data access today? |
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| 19:08.45 | DarkriftX | hrmmmm, seems the g1 doesnt like the factory 1g's |
| 19:08.46 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 19:10.01 | DarkriftX | found 4 users now all getting failure messages mounting sd during upgrade. all 4 are (or were) using the factory card (3 of them tried fat32 and fat16 and still failed). 3 of them have since tried a new card and the upgrade worked flawlessly |
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| 19:10.58 | coding1 | any good coding tutorials for beginners? |
| 19:11.14 | SamSerious | DarkriftX: same here |
| 19:12.00 | DarkriftX | good to know |
| 19:12.22 | coding1 | . |
| 19:12.28 | DarkriftX | good news is that is should NOT affect the "real" ota because from what we can tell that gets downloaded to /cache and not to the card |
| 19:12.34 | SamSerious | good? I ordered 8GB one even though I don't need it ATM |
| 19:12.59 | DarkriftX | well not good that it doesnt work, but good to know the pattern is being proven |
| 19:13.25 | SamSerious | Only if I could copy it to phone memory's cache |
| 19:13.45 | DarkriftX | well, if you could spoof googles update server you could lol |
| 19:13.52 | DarkriftX | but dont think anyone found much out about that part |
| 19:16.26 | gdsx | kslater: yup; I cycled the radio and it started working again |
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| 19:16.33 | gdsx | kslater: are you on 3G or edge? |
| 19:16.34 | kslater | DarkriftX: you're saying people's sd card got whacked during the update? |
| 19:16.42 | DarkriftX | no |
| 19:16.48 | kslater | edge |
| 19:16.59 | kslater | gdsx: you? |
| 19:17.00 | DarkriftX | im saying the bootloader doesnt like the default 1g card that comes with the g1 |
| 19:17.06 | gdsx | hmm... dunno. I was on 3G |
| 19:17.20 | gdsx | DarkriftX: 1GB? |
| 19:17.26 | DarkriftX | the g1 can read it just fine, but the bootloader fails to mount it and cannot upgrade from that card |
| 19:17.35 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 19:17.53 | gdsx | ok. as cute as it might be, "1g" doesn't really make any sense |
| 19:18.22 | romainguy | just got my OTA \o/ |
| 19:18.27 | DarkriftX | neither did 56K but it stuck for 10 years |
| 19:18.44 | gdsx | DarkriftX: true |
| 19:19.12 | DarkriftX | i leave the b off because it always starts wars in the linux channel about bytes/bits for some reason |
| 19:19.49 | gdsx | DarkriftX: just for the record, I hate the whole "XiB" thing |
| 19:20.01 | DarkriftX | i agree |
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| 19:20.14 | gdsx | and I also hate hard drive manufacturers for giving people to think it was a good idea |
| 19:20.22 | gdsx | giving people a reason* |
| 19:20.24 | DarkriftX | using case to differentiate between something when most of the world uses non case sensitive windows isnt too smart |
| 19:20.45 | DarkriftX | linux users notice the difference, windows users normally dont |
| 19:21.06 | cbeust_ | You can always rely on the Linux crowd to fight unwinnable battles |
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| 19:21.24 | DarkriftX | i agree lol |
| 19:21.59 | wasabi | If you want case insensitivity, it should be implemented at the UI level, imo |
| 19:22.07 | wasabi | so. Linux should stay as it is. :) |
| 19:22.24 | cbeust_ | At the UI level? |
| 19:22.39 | lethalcode | Howdy folks - I'm working on a game where the main Activity spawns the GameActivity to start the game. |
| 19:22.40 | wasabi | Yes. Where you have a good text toolkit available. |
| 19:22.52 | wasabi | Not at the kernel, which should only concern itself with a filename being a string of bytes. |
| 19:23.18 | lethalcode | The GameActivity needs the contents of a file (That's currently at 1MB). |
| 19:23.34 | lethalcode | Each GameACtivity lasts maybe 1 minute, then goes back to the main screen. |
| 19:24.07 | lethalcode | If I load that 1MB into a HashMap, then pass it through to the GameActivity via Intent extra, does android clone the 1MB object, or just pass a reference? |
| 19:25.04 | DarkriftX | so can anyone with a g1 do me a favor in shell: ls /dev/mmc* |
| 19:25.39 | lethalcode | DarkriftX: No such file or directory, for me. |
| 19:25.50 | DarkriftX | do you have your sd card inserted? |
| 19:25.55 | lethalcode | Yup. |
| 19:26.14 | DarkriftX | what about: cat /etc/mountd |
| 19:26.17 | DarkriftX | i think thats it |
| 19:26.17 | lethalcode | Oh wait, I have UMS on. |
| 19:26.27 | DarkriftX | opens the emu to find out |
| 19:26.29 | lethalcode | Lemme disable it. |
| 19:26.32 | DarkriftX | k |
| 19:26.46 | SamSerious | No such file or directory |
| 19:27.05 | DarkriftX | i think thats the wrong file but im checking |
| 19:27.23 | DarkriftX | cat /etc/mountd.conf |
| 19:27.32 | DarkriftX | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:27.39 | romainguy | lethalcode: if it's in the same process, that might be ok |
| 19:28.13 | DarkriftX | ahhh, on emu, its in dev/block/, didnt even notice that before |
| 19:28.28 | lethalcode | romainguy: Same process, different Activity. So it's referencing the same object? |
| 19:28.33 | romainguy | it should |
| 19:28.41 | lethalcode | DarkriftX: Yup, I have /dev/block/mmcblk0{,p1} |
| 19:28.46 | romainguy | you can check by printing the object's identity |
| 19:28.50 | DarkriftX | hrmmmmm |
| 19:29.03 | lethalcode | romainguy: Perfect, thanks =). |
| 19:29.09 | DarkriftX | lethalcode, what does your /etc/mountd.conf say? mmcblk0 or mmcblk0pX |
| 19:29.13 | cbeust_ | wasabi: it's not the kernel's role, for sure, but it definitely belongs in the file system, not the UI |
| 19:29.40 | lethalcode | DarkriftX: block_device /dev/block/mmcblk0 // mount_point /sdcard // enable_ums true |
| 19:29.47 | DarkriftX | hrmmmmm |
| 19:29.53 | DarkriftX | that is odd |
| 19:30.11 | DarkriftX | actually, the initrd must be different |
| 19:30.29 | DarkriftX | the bootloader is looking for /dev/mmc* not /dev/block/mmc* |
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| 19:31.33 | DarkriftX | hello RyeBrye |
| 19:32.11 | DarkriftX | ok, no it doesnt, one user typed the message manaully and left /block/ out :( |
| 19:32.49 | DarkriftX | so back to hardware issues... the factory 1GB mini sd seems to be unmountable by the bootloader |
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| 19:40.41 | elad1 | hey im watching a google dev vid, he calls a static property People.PREFE(it clips off the video tutorial) I assume its preference? |
| 19:41.01 | elad1 | however, I cant find any property near that when I call people |
| 19:42.24 | RyeBrye | DarkriftX - apparently it is fixed in RC29 |
| 19:42.37 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 19:42.37 | RyeBrye | some issue with partition tables |
| 19:42.40 | BruteSource | i hear there is decent terminal emulator in the android market now? |
| 19:42.54 | RyeBrye | pterminal? |
| 19:42.55 | DarkriftX | BruteSource, connectbot? |
| 19:43.12 | BruteSource | no thats an ssh client |
| 19:43.23 | DarkriftX | i know but they were adding a lot more to it last i read in there |
| 19:43.24 | BruteSource | pterminal ya |
| 19:43.25 | lethalcode | There's an SSH client now? Huzzah. |
| 19:43.41 | BruteSource | has anyone tried pterminal? |
| 19:43.41 | DarkriftX | ssh client has been there for a while |
| 19:43.43 | RyeBrye | yeah. connectbot is cool it even opens tunnels |
| 19:44.13 | RyeBrye | Now we just need a cisco VPN client and I'll be able to do a bunch of server admin stuff from my phone! :) |
| 19:44.25 | DarkriftX | i like how connectbot is treating it more like a small computer and less like a pretty phone with games |
| 19:44.35 | elad1 | long phoneid = c.getlong(c.getcolumnindex(People.PRIMARY_PHONE_ID)) |
| 19:44.57 | tmccrary | is it possible to setup adhoc wifi networks with the G1? |
| 19:48.01 | lethalcode | DarkriftX: Does it support keys, though? I locked down my server a long time ago to pubkey auth only. |
| 19:48.42 | waldo_ | I can't take this shit any more I'm gonna hve to update manually.. |
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| 19:53.41 | DarkriftX | lethalcode, not sure, i dont have it |
| 19:54.13 | DarkriftX | waldo_, dont use the 1GB that came with the G1 lol |
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| 19:55.39 | languish | <BruteSource> has anyone tried pterminal? |
| 19:55.40 | languish | yes |
| 19:55.51 | languish | du, netstat and a few other commands work on it |
| 19:56.25 | languish | fcking t-mobile |
| 19:56.44 | languish | service outages all day, and when I call them, they say "oh you're the first one in your area to report it" |
| 19:56.46 | elad1 | hmm, I should be able to call Phones.CONTENT_URI.addId |
| 19:56.49 | elad1 | correct? |
| 19:57.00 | languish | even though half the people on my block have called to report it |
| 19:57.35 | languish | they're blaming the sim cards, saying if we're using the sim cards we had with our existing service, that's the cause for the problem |
| 20:00.37 | lethalcode | Cripes, no pubkey auth. |
| 20:00.42 | lethalcode | Still nifty =) |
| 20:01.29 | languish | connectbot? yeah it's awesome and getting better |
| 20:02.28 | waldo_ | DarkriftX: why not? |
| 20:02.47 | DarkriftX | waldo-g1, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=441589 |
| 20:03.23 | waldo_ | DarkriftX: nothing wrong in trying it though. |
| 20:03.32 | waldo_ | I was even thinking of trying the RC29 "for-testing" version |
| 20:03.39 | SamSerious | How do you force it? |
| 20:04.00 | waldo_ | SamSerious: go to androidcommunity.com |
| 20:04.15 | SamSerious | No, I have the same SD card problem |
| 20:04.15 | coding1 | where i can find tutorials on coding? |
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| 20:05.09 | waldo_ | coding what? |
| 20:07.00 | languish | coding1, tutorials and info for coding for android http://www.anddev.org/index.php?c=2 |
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| 20:07.21 | coding1 | languish: thank you ! |
| 20:07.28 | languish | no prob |
| 20:07.42 | DarkriftX | well waldo_ seems one user has reported it working on the factory card |
| 20:07.51 | waldo_ | DarkriftX: yeah others have too |
| 20:08.06 | waldo_ | i'll try it and if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. |
| 20:11.21 | gdsx | romainguy: for Android.mk, is there a situation where LOCAL_PACKAGE_NAME or LOCAL_CERTIFICATE would legitimately contain whitespace? |
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| 20:22.05 | romainguy | gdsx: I doubt it |
| 20:22.06 | waldo_ | DarkriftX: Update: I just did it w/the factory card. |
| 20:22.19 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 20:22.27 | DarkriftX | so now we have to narrow it down more :( |
| 20:22.40 | DarkriftX | what specifically about the factory card causes it to fail for some but not for others |
| 20:22.52 | waldo_ | this was the RC19+RC28 version.. not the RC29 for-testing one |
| 20:22.59 | waldo_ | and the 1 gig american sd |
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| 20:23.00 | DarkriftX | are there any markings or brand names or anything on it? |
| 20:23.26 | waldo_ | honestly I've never openedi t. |
| 20:23.30 | DarkriftX | LOL |
| 20:23.36 | waldo_ | one difference in the new firmware is that apparently this logged me into AIM... |
| 20:23.42 | waldo_ | the other one didn't. |
| 20:23.43 | herriojr | I'm getting an Installation error: INSTALL_FAILED_SHARED_USER_INCOMPATIBLE, but I'm building both of my applications via eclipse, so they should be compatible shouldn't they? |
| 20:23.48 | waldo_ | or something.. I actually ahve to check my settings there. |
| 20:23.50 | eleftherios | I just got a G1 as a gift. I'd like to use it without a google account and I need to unlock it. Any info on unlocking G1? |
| 20:23.59 | DarkriftX | nope |
| 20:24.05 | DarkriftX | call tmo and ask for a code |
| 20:24.20 | DarkriftX | or pay $50'ish at that htcunlock.com site |
| 20:24.32 | DarkriftX | tmo code will take a few weeks from what ive heard |
| 20:24.47 | DarkriftX | and only if you are an existing customer |
| 20:24.58 | waldo_ | one difference-- you get a USB Connected notification when you're using USB... |
| 20:25.07 | DarkriftX | also its been stated that 3g does not work on at&t on the g1 |
| 20:25.25 | DarkriftX | yes waldo_, seems most other updates were behind the scenes bugs |
| 20:26.46 | herriojr | how do I sign an app via command line? |
| 20:27.23 | eleftherios | DarkriftX: I am not in the US. Thanks. |
| 20:27.47 | DarkriftX | cool |
| 20:27.51 | DarkriftX | maybe it will work then :) |
| 20:30.35 | eleftherios | DarkriftX: the 3G you mean? |
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| 20:34.30 | coding1 | does Android support 3D open GL rendering? |
| 20:34.50 | gdsx | coding1: it does hw-accelerated OpenGL ES 1.0, iirc |
| 20:35.21 | coding1 | cool |
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| 20:35.36 | coding1 | is it possible to port WoW in the 1G? |
| 20:36.09 | spikebike | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:38.54 | spikebike | 192MB ram would be tight |
| 20:39.00 | spikebike | and lack of source a problem |
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| 20:39.09 | spikebike | and the screen is rather small |
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| 20:40.53 | gdsx | spikebike: also, 192MB is for the whole system, not just a single app. |
| 20:41.10 | spikebike | yup |
| 20:41.22 | spikebike | and of course there's the lack of native application devel |
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| 21:01.32 | herriojr | ok, I figured out how to fix my signature issue |
| 21:02.05 | Ramblurr | if I want to use something like com.android.music.RepeatingImageButton in one of my layouts.. do i have to copy the source, or can i include it somehow? |
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| 21:21.45 | coding1 | is there any future working as a Android developer? |
| 21:22.15 | tmccrary | no |
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| 21:22.29 | coding1 | why not |
| 21:22.53 | spikebike | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:22.53 | cbeust_ | A lot of us hope so :) |
| 21:23.17 | spikebike | I think the safest thing to say is unknown |
| 21:24.03 | spikebike | the market for g1 software is $0 or so |
| 21:24.10 | spikebike | but does look promising |
| 21:24.22 | spikebike | but a long way off from being larger than the iphone market |
| 21:24.22 | cbeust_ | You mean the current market |
| 21:24.42 | spikebike | ya |
| 21:24.47 | spikebike | the known one |
| 21:25.43 | spikebike | I think it would be unwise to quit your day job and become a g1 developer |
| 21:25.58 | spikebike | but certainly worth some time to get familiar with and program for |
| 21:26.01 | cbeust_ | I would call it Android developer, not G1 developers |
| 21:26.16 | DarkriftX | anyone here know much about the signing of files in the OTA update? |
| 21:26.27 | coding1 | G1? like the G-Force? |
| 21:26.35 | spikebike | cbeust that remains to be seen |
| 21:26.49 | cbeust_ | What you're writing on Android will work on other phones than the G1 |
| 21:26.57 | spikebike | maybe |
| 21:27.03 | spikebike | java promised the same thing ;-) |
| 21:27.09 | DarkriftX | i know nothign of it, but for example, would changing a line in a file "the red cat jumped over the blue ball" to "the blue cat jumped over the red ball" make a difference in the signature? |
| 21:27.15 | cbeust_ | Well, Java delivered pretty well |
| 21:27.18 | cbeust_ | and we plan to do the same |
| 21:27.24 | spikebike | darkrift I' |
| 21:27.31 | spikebike | d be shocked if not |
| 21:27.42 | DarkriftX | me to, but i was hoping |
| 21:27.44 | spikebike | cbeust the developers I've talked to disagree |
| 21:28.01 | spikebike | basically every phone has to be tested |
| 21:28.02 | cbeust_ | spikebike: ah, they have run their code on other Android phones than the G1? :) |
| 21:28.10 | spikebike | differing resolution, jvms, ram, etc. |
| 21:28.19 | cbeust_ | Ah you're talking about Java |
| 21:28.22 | spikebike | ya |
| 21:28.26 | cbeust_ | I've been developing in Java for 10+ years |
| 21:28.33 | coding1 | will Android run in Intel Atom ? |
| 21:28.35 | spikebike | write once, test everywhere ;-) |
| 21:28.38 | cbeust_ | JavaSE and JavaEE are very portable |
| 21:28.38 | cbeust_ | Java ME less so but still decent |
| 21:29.16 | cbeust_ | At any rate, our goal is certainly to make Android phone-agnostic |
| 21:29.19 | spikebike | but different hardware, buttons, keyboard (or lack of), screens, ram, etc can make a dig difference to an application |
| 21:29.26 | spikebike | cbeust undoubtedly |
| 21:29.31 | cbeust_ | so I stand by what I said: writing Android code will make your code run on different hardware |
| 21:29.52 | spikebike | agreed |
| 21:29.54 | cbeust_ | Yes spikebike, there is more work to be done to cover a few hardware things that don't exist on the G1 |
| 21:29.57 | cbeust_ | we're working on that |
| 21:30.13 | spikebike | and yes android could be ported to other chips like the atom |
| 21:30.19 | d0nets | any devs that play guitar want to help out with a guitar app? |
| 21:30.34 | d0nets | tuner/metronome/chords/drum machine |
| 21:30.56 | d0nets | i found 2 or 3 open source java apps to use |
| 21:32.35 | tweakt | d0nets, PM me some info... I gotta run, but i'll be back a little later |
| 21:32.56 | coding1 | so basically the ones who are getting rich are IPHONE developers? |
| 21:33.11 | spikebike | today, yes |
| 21:33.23 | cbeust_ | coding1: well, only developers that Apple allows to sell their apps :) |
| 21:33.24 | tweakt | coding1, android market will be able to charge $$ after Jan 1st I think |
| 21:33.32 | cbeust_ | tweakt: correct |
| 21:33.41 | tmccrary | well you could be selling your app |
| 21:33.45 | d0nets | yea i know |
| 21:33.48 | d0nets | thats what im wanting to do |
| 21:33.52 | DarkriftX | some are selling them using their own sites |
| 21:33.52 | d0nets | is do a basic guitar tuner |
| 21:33.52 | tmccrary | you just can't do it through the official market yet |
| 21:33.55 | d0nets | and basic piano tuner |
| 21:34.00 | tmccrary | what about |
| 21:34.00 | d0nets | then have a pro versin of each to release in januar |
| 21:34.01 | d0nets | y |
| 21:34.03 | tmccrary | a tuna fish |
| 21:34.04 | coding1 | so we have 2 months to develo anything and start to sell |
| 21:34.05 | d0nets | for like .99 or 1.99 |
| 21:34.12 | d0nets | that includes more functionality |
| 21:34.21 | DarkriftX | i think that if almost every program is $2 or less, the authors will make a lot more money from mass purchases |
| 21:34.55 | DarkriftX | iphones and wm have too many apps for $30-$50 each and they dont sell that well |
| 21:35.04 | DarkriftX | too much for someone to pay for a little program on their phone |
| 21:35.40 | d0nets | right |
| 21:36.08 | d0nets | and you know what happened when i started comming accross those 30$ apps i wanted? |
| 21:36.11 | DarkriftX | whatshisname.... plusminus has a few games he is selling for $2 and I can see those selling pretty well |
| 21:36.19 | d0nets | i would (p word) them |
| 21:36.20 | DarkriftX | you found a warez channel on efnet |
| 21:36.39 | d0nets | exactly |
| 21:36.50 | DarkriftX | i know, thats what most do |
| 21:37.04 | DarkriftX | which is why i think $2 would scare away less ppl and make the author more in the long run |
| 21:37.11 | d0nets | right |
| 21:37.17 | d0nets | high fives |
| 21:37.28 | DarkriftX | which in turn would motivate them to make better stuff to make more money :) |
| 21:37.28 | d0nets | i mean if they do sell 600,000 phones |
| 21:37.39 | DarkriftX | meaning we see better apps all the time |
| 21:37.40 | d0nets | and i sold the pro version for 1.99 or .99 to 2000 people |
| 21:37.46 | d0nets | thats 2000-4000 $ to make |
| 21:37.48 | DarkriftX | yeah |
| 21:37.51 | elad1 | 1.99 not 2.00! |
| 21:37.59 | d0nets | oh yes |
| 21:38.00 | d0nets | lol |
| 21:38.09 | DarkriftX | vs $20 and getting 100 ppl |
| 21:38.14 | d0nets | right |
| 21:38.22 | d0nets | its one thing if the app whipes my ass for me |
| 21:38.36 | d0nets | but like dynolicious |
| 21:38.39 | andyross | So far the "most popular" apps in the market are showing 50k-250k downloads. So there's still a long way to go before any paid application sells 600k copies. |
| 21:38.41 | d0nets | i use it maybe once or twice |
| 21:38.44 | d0nets | and it was expensive |
| 21:39.06 | DarkriftX | major gps programs or something i can see being like $10 or something, but basic stuff, like an irc client, im program, little games should be less |
| 21:39.06 | d0nets | andyross i said 600k phones sold by the end of this year |
| 21:39.15 | d0nets | i was saying i fi could manage to sell to 2000 people |
| 21:39.35 | spikebike | I'm hoping that the silly simple stuff stays free |
| 21:39.36 | d0nets | hell yea |
| 21:39.41 | d0nets | and i would pay 10$ for like tom tom or somethin |
| 21:39.53 | DarkriftX | thats how i do my domain sales on my site, I try to keep them as low as I can and just hope for more customers to make up for it |
| 21:39.55 | spikebike | seems insane to pay for irc, irssi, ssh, etc. |
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| 21:40.08 | d0nets | exactly |
| 21:40.09 | d0nets | and you wont |
| 21:40.10 | DarkriftX | well me too, but id rather it be $2 then $20 |
| 21:40.10 | ttuttle | has RC30 ;-) |
| 21:40.17 | DarkriftX | ooooh ttuttle |
| 21:40.21 | DarkriftX | hook it up :) |
| 21:40.26 | jsherman | tuttle did you work on android for google |
| 21:40.45 | DarkriftX | ttuttle, what was the filename? |
| 21:40.46 | ttuttle | jsherman: yeah. i was an intern last summer. |
| 21:40.53 | DarkriftX | im making a list of all hte updates :) |
| 21:40.53 | jsherman | ah |
| 21:40.58 | spikebike | noticeable |
| 21:41.01 | jsherman | that's why some of the keymaps are named tuttle.kl |
| 21:41.03 | ttuttle | DarkriftX: it's not flashable on regular dreams. |
| 21:41.05 | spikebike | noticeable differences? |
| 21:41.10 | DarkriftX | oh |
| 21:41.16 | ttuttle | jsherman: no it's not! |
| 21:41.19 | DarkriftX | so guess wouldnt be a good idea to add it to the list |
| 21:41.26 | ttuttle | js!it just happened to be a codename |
| 21:41.33 | ttuttle | er |
| 21:41.39 | ttuttle | *it just |
| 21:43.57 | d0nets | im still on rc19 |
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| 21:45.27 | DJTachyon | *yawn* .. that was a long night |
| 21:45.32 | DJTachyon | now to head back into manhatten |
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| 21:56.23 | milluminu | how come the browser doesnt do unicode and will it? |
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| 21:56.37 | coding1 | you cant read chinese? |
| 21:56.44 | milluminu | cant read arabic |
| 21:58.18 | romainguy | the browser does unicode |
| 21:58.28 | romainguy | there might not be an arabic font though |
| 21:58.33 | milluminu | trying to make a site thats android friendly even though flash doesnt work at the moment, so no audio, but now i worry--no audio and no text |
| 21:58.42 | romainguy | I know Chinese, Japanese and Russian work great |
| 21:59.04 | coding1 | nobody reads Arabic |
| 21:59.08 | cbeust_ | Left-to-right languages should display mostly correctly |
| 21:59.10 | milluminu | sook, alright ill keep an eye open for arabic |
| 21:59.14 | cbeust_ | Right-to-left, not yet |
| 21:59.21 | milluminu | aye |
| 22:01.21 | BHSPitLappy | ttuttle, tell us your secrets from the inside. |
| 22:01.24 | cbeust_ | He can't, we put a chip in his brain that will explode if he does |
| 22:01.24 | DarkriftX | its not a secret |
| 22:01.32 | DarkriftX | its called "apply to work at google" |
| 22:01.36 | BHSPitLappy | :( |
| 22:02.38 | ttuttle | also, i hope to work for them again, and many of their employees are in this channel. |
| 22:03.08 | BHSPitLappy | ttuttle, use a different nick / Mibbit |
| 22:03.15 | ttuttle | ... |
| 22:03.17 | ttuttle | no |
| 22:05.42 | jsherman | who works on the maps app |
| 22:06.02 | jsherman | and are they ever in this channel |
| 22:06.06 | romainguy | nope |
| 22:06.24 | ttuttle | romainguy: greetings! |
| 22:06.32 | jsherman | i want to get the maps app working on the git base |
| 22:06.36 | DarkriftX | any google employees know a way around the signatures in the META-INF folder on the updates they would be willing to share? |
| 22:07.00 | jsherman | copying the binary Maps.apk and framework.jar from the 1.0-rc SDK to the git base fs |
| 22:07.19 | jsherman | makes the maps app come up but it jsut shows a blank grid |
| 22:07.19 | jsherman | with a little padlock icon in the lower left |
| 22:07.26 | jsherman | and the log shows lots of: |
| 22:07.32 | jsherman | D/skia ( 169): xxxxxxxxxxx jpeg error 53 Not a JPEG file: starts with 0x%02x 0x%02x |
| 22:07.35 | jsherman | E/MapView ( 169): IllegalStateException on drawMap. Wiping cache. |
| 22:07.40 | jsherman | E/MapView ( 169): java.lang.IllegalStateException: Null Bitmap!/loading_tile.png=17301864 |
| 22:08.05 | jsherman | the padlock seems to imply it's not supposed to work |
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| 22:08.13 | jsherman | but that error seems to imply maybe it should |
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| 22:15.10 | DaFreeze | is this a good place to ask for help? |
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| 22:15.52 | romainguy | DaFreeze: sure |
| 22:15.53 | `vip | most of the time, DaFreeze |
| 22:16.56 | DaFreeze | great :) |
| 22:17.36 | DaFreeze | i'm listening to the NEW_OUTGOING_CALL intent |
| 22:17.50 | DaFreeze | what id like to do is cancel the call |
| 22:18.00 | DaFreeze | is that possible? |
| 22:18.08 | romainguy | I don't think it is |
| 22:18.36 | cbeust_ | Sounds potentially hostile toward the user, why would you want to do that? |
| 22:18.45 | SamSerious | Is squaretrade any good for $38.40 for 2 years? |
| 22:18.56 | DaFreeze | well it wont do that always.. only under some conditions |
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| 22:20.53 | DaFreeze | the documentation says: Once the broadcast is finished, the resultData is used as the actual number to call. If null, no call will be placed. |
| 22:21.28 | DaFreeze | but i couldnt use this information to cancel the call.. maybe you people understand more? :P |
| 22:21.39 | DaFreeze | refrence* :P |
| 22:21.45 | DaFreeze | whaterver |
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| 22:22.09 | jsherman | romainguy, any suggestion for how to go about figuring out what the problem is? |
| 22:22.21 | romainguy | jsherman: nope :) |
| 22:22.47 | jsherman | is there a mailing list or something the maps authors read |
| 22:23.09 | BHSPitLappy | Is a Google account required just to merely use Android or a G1, or just to access Google's apps? |
| 22:23.23 | cbeust_ | Only a Gmail account |
| 22:23.37 | romainguy | and only required for the G1 |
| 22:23.48 | romainguy | (at least in the US version) |
| 22:23.58 | BHSPitLappy | cbeust_, sounds like a Google account :P |
| 22:24.20 | DaFreeze | should i try asking later or is it 100% not possible? |
| 22:24.33 | romainguy | DaFreeze: ask on the Android Google Group |
| 22:24.48 | DaFreeze | ill do that |
| 22:24.49 | DaFreeze | thanks |
| 22:24.53 | cbeust_ | Yes, sorry, thought you meant a google.com account, which is pretty restricted :) |
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| 22:26.37 | spikebike | actually you can skip the gmail account I believe |
| 22:26.54 | spikebike | you just need to borrow a valid sim |
| 22:26.58 | spikebike | or was that backwards |
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| 22:27.16 | romainguy | you need to sign in with a Gmail account on the first startup |
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| 22:27.44 | spikebike | yeah, I think you can just borrow a sim to skip that part |
| 22:27.59 | romainguy | no you can't |
| 22:28.00 | languish | skip, no |
| 22:28.01 | cbeust_ | You won't be able to skip that part easily |
| 22:28.03 | romainguy | it has nothing to do with the SIM |
| 22:28.21 | spikebike | I saw a work around, forget what it was exactly |
| 22:28.42 | languish | people "borrow" a sim, to sign up with a gmail account, then remove it to use the phone but not have cellular service |
| 22:28.52 | languish | they use it on wifi or just to test apps, whatever |
| 22:29.04 | romainguy | but you still need a gmail account :) |
| 22:29.06 | spikebike | ah, maybe that was it |
| 22:29.12 | cbeust_ | I don't see the point in this, the important part is the sim card, you can create a dummy gmail account if you want to pass that |
| 22:29.19 | languish | but if the phone gets reset, they need a sim again |
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| 22:29.43 | BHSPitLappy | Must say that the more I find out, the less "Happy Open Sunshine" the OS seems to appear |
| 22:29.57 | romainguy | ?? |
| 22:30.01 | romainguy | this has nothing to do with the OS |
| 22:30.04 | languish | BHSPitLappy, on top of which, I'm having major headaches with t-mobile |
| 22:30.47 | languish | I understand this launch is more of a beta than anything, but I wouldn't even call it a beta |
| 22:31.08 | languish | tmo wasn't prepared for it |
| 22:31.19 | romainguy | sorry to hear that |
| 22:31.25 | BHSPitLappy | I still use AT&T and and older HTC |
| 22:31.25 | romainguy | it works great in the Bay Area |
| 22:31.27 | languish | yeah, *sigh* me too |
| 22:31.48 | romainguy | languish: but I'm glad you complained today, I was starting to wonder if you were feeling well :) |
| 22:32.11 | languish | ok, I'll move my family on to the mountainview campus, and we'll all have happy sunshine says together |
| 22:32.13 | languish | :) |
| 22:32.26 | languish | dude, I had an awesome night lastnight |
| 22:32.49 | languish | halloween in nyc is always a blast |
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| 22:33.19 | languish | but part of the reason you didn't hear from me earlier today, is becaue I had no connectivity on the g1 :P |
| 22:33.32 | languish | *because |
| 22:33.55 | DJTachyon | oh lame |
| 22:33.56 | DJTachyon | :P |
| 22:34.05 | languish | sup tach |
| 22:34.11 | DJTachyon | nuthin .. |
| 22:34.20 | languish | how's your service been today? |
| 22:34.23 | DJTachyon | i left some equipment at the club i need to go get before it gets lost |
| 22:34.28 | DJTachyon | its been fine |
| 22:34.37 | languish | cool |
| 22:34.40 | DJTachyon | but im in NJ right now |
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| 22:34.45 | DJTachyon | im heading into the city now i think |
| 22:35.04 | languish | right now, no 3g, just edge, which is more than we had earlier |
| 22:35.09 | DJTachyon | hmm wierd |
| 22:35.20 | DJTachyon | so did your deligation have a good time? |
| 22:35.28 | languish | awesome dude :) |
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| 22:35.40 | languish | i heard a couple of them got home around 8am |
| 22:35.41 | languish | lol |
| 22:35.52 | DJTachyon | hehehe |
| 22:36.06 | DJTachyon | those parties are always wild |
| 22:36.18 | languish | yeah, I just have to question if I'm tool old for it |
| 22:36.19 | languish | lol |
| 22:36.49 | DJTachyon | meh the people throwing it and dj's are mostly older than me ;) |
| 22:37.02 | languish | well that's the business end |
| 22:37.05 | DJTachyon | true |
| 22:37.18 | languish | we weren't ostracised though |
| 22:37.27 | languish | couple girls tried to pick me up |
| 22:37.30 | DJTachyon | hehe |
| 22:37.48 | DJTachyon | good times |
| 22:38.27 | DJTachyon | sorry i couldn't get you VIP or guestlist .. I would have had to find the promoter and convince him |
| 22:40.06 | DJTachyon | anyway i better get down there ... |
| 22:40.46 | DJTachyon | take it easy .. |
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| 22:46.22 | languish | Tach, no problem man, I wasn't expecting comp, getting in without headaches was nice, and the party was awesome |
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| 23:09.04 | eleftherios | can one put apps on the phone without getting them from the android market? |
| 23:09.10 | romainguy | yes |
| 23:09.15 | eleftherios | romainguy: how? |
| 23:09.24 | romainguy | you can use the Eclipse plugin, the adb command line tool or a web site |
| 23:09.25 | cbeust_ | Any web site or adb install |
| 23:09.36 | eleftherios | ah thanks |
| 23:10.18 | coding1 | May I play Crysis in Android phone? |
| 23:10.26 | tweakt | lol |
| 23:10.36 | DarkriftX | the website must have a hard link to the file (eg http://domain.com/file.apk) because other links will not work (eg http://domain.com/download.php?file=file.apk) |
| 23:10.39 | jsherman | so the maps app doesn't even try to connect to google |
| 23:10.47 | jsherman | when run in the git version |
| 23:12.06 | romainguy | DarkriftX: even when the dynamic link returns the correct mime type? |
| 23:12.15 | DarkriftX | im pretty sure |
| 23:12.31 | DarkriftX | i set my mime types with dynamic downlaod components and they still failed |
| 23:12.42 | Ramblurr | How exatly does bindSerivce() work? the connection seems to happen asyncronously.. because i can't bind and start using the service immedietly |
| 23:12.49 | romainguy | I really don't see how using a dynamic link would fail |
| 23:12.55 | DarkriftX | i dont either |
| 23:13.14 | DarkriftX | i have 3 download components and 2 of them support adding mime types, neither worked on g1's |
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| 23:14.11 | DarkriftX | adding mime type to htaccess file fixed hard links though, so i know i have the right mime type |
| 23:15.28 | jsherman | would be very grateful if a google dev happened to paste the output of 'grep -srnH lock_asset' in the maps code directory |
| 23:15.45 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 23:16.17 | cbeust_ | You don't need to set a special mime type for .apk, we take care of this in the download manager |
| 23:16.17 | DarkriftX | and while they are at it, they should paste the info needed to generate the signatures needed to edit files in the OTA update |
| 23:16.39 | DarkriftX | .apk files failed on the g1 until a mime type was set |
| 23:16.41 | eleftherios | is there another way known way to unlock G1? (other than giving your imei # to these guys and paying $30)? |
| 23:16.47 | DarkriftX | gave unknown application type error or something |
| 23:17.04 | DarkriftX | but as soon as i added the mime type my static links started working |
| 23:17.18 | DarkriftX | eleftherios, requesting a key from tmo if you are a customer |
| 23:18.10 | jsherman | is the android-internals group broken? |
| 23:18.17 | jsherman | i sent an email awhile ago and it still hasn't shown up |
| 23:18.21 | romainguy | jsherman: Google Maps code is not open source, we can't give you that information |
| 23:18.23 | cbeust_ | I believe we are deprecating this group |
| 23:18.44 | romainguy | we are |
| 23:18.53 | DarkriftX | cbeust_/romainguy if one if you can prove this wrong i would be really happy :) that would allow me to re-use my old download method instead of forum topics |
| 23:19.15 | eleftherios | DarkriftX: not a customer, got the phone as a gift |
| 23:19.22 | eleftherios | I am not in the US |
| 23:19.25 | DarkriftX | yeah, so thats all yuo can do |
| 23:20.20 | jsherman | i just want to run maps on the opensource base |
| 23:20.24 | jsherman | sigh |
| 23:20.27 | romainguy | I understand |
| 23:20.35 | romainguy | but we still cannot give you private information |
| 23:20.42 | jsherman | er |
| 23:20.46 | jsherman | can you tell me if |
| 23:20.48 | jsherman | this is something that |
| 23:20.54 | jsherman | intentionally does not work |
| 23:21.01 | romainguy | I have no idea, but I highly doubt it |
| 23:21.06 | jsherman | hmm ok |
| 23:21.07 | romainguy | we ship Maps in the SDK after all |
| 23:21.18 | coding1 | does Ajax works in Android? |
| 23:21.18 | romainguy | again, the source tree has completely changed in git |
| 23:21.27 | romainguy | it probably broke a bunch of stuff |
| 23:21.29 | romainguy | coding1: yes |
| 23:21.35 | eleftherios | DarkriftX: thank you |
| 23:21.50 | coding1 | romainguy: full? prototype, extjs, mootools? |
| 23:23.22 | DarkriftX | a mootools feature on one of my sites works in the emu browser |
| 23:24.32 | jsherman | about the build system |
| 23:24.45 | jsherman | it seems like there are two |
| 23:24.57 | jsherman | i fixed a couple more issues |
| 23:25.14 | jsherman | but again I don't know what is an appropriate patch because I don't understand the build system |
| 23:25.22 | jsherman | it seems like things can get pulled in in two different ways |
| 23:25.34 | jsherman | either by being included in PRODUCT_PACKAGES in the product.mk |
| 23:25.48 | jsherman | or by defining some LOCAL_MODULE_TAGS = that's included by the particular target |
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| 23:26.08 | jsherman | and it seems like half of the things are pulled in one way, half are pulled in another |
| 23:26.09 | jsherman | why? |
| 23:26.24 | jsherman | is this just leftover stuff from switching between two systems? |
| 23:26.41 | jsherman | or is there a reason to have two different ways to do things? |
| 23:28.30 | coding1 | do i need to know java to program for android? |
| 23:28.36 | DarkriftX | yes |
| 23:29.33 | coding1 | may i avoid to learn java? |
| 23:29.37 | neekers | coding1: http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/index.html |
| 23:29.52 | coding1 | is java similar to php? |
| 23:29.56 | neekers | no |
| 23:30.03 | romainguy | jsherman: no, the Android.mk files haven't changed |
| 23:30.23 | jsherman | ok |
| 23:30.30 | romainguy | ask questions on the mailing list |
| 23:30.32 | jsherman | what's with the two ways to do things then? |
| 23:30.34 | jsherman | ok |
| 23:31.15 | coding1 | is java similar to c++ ? |
| 23:31.32 | neekers | not really, it's clsoest to c# |
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| 23:31.40 | neekers | closest |
| 23:32.20 | neekers | java has memory management and does not have pointers, which are things you have to deal with in c++ |
| 23:32.40 | cbeust_ | To be more specific, it has pointers but not pointer arithmetic |
| 23:34.22 | neekers | coding1: learning java will only make you a better programmer |
| 23:36.16 | andyross | True enough. Although there are a whole lot of bad habits Java will teach you too. I guess that's true of everything. |
| 23:37.38 | cbeust_ | If you're programming in C++, you have probably acquired all the bad habits that can possibly exist :) |
| 23:39.43 | andyross | No, Java's are different. Java's libraries (com.somewhere.package.subpackage.ReallLongSymbolStringFascadeFactory) and typical block nesting (class A { void F() { try { synchronized(L) { ... }}}) lead to some of the longest lines I've seen anywhere. |
| 23:40.16 | cbeust_ | That's more a style question, it's pretty easy to reduce line lengths |
| 23:40.27 | cbeust_ | But yes, Java is verbose |
| 23:40.32 | tmccrary | yeah, for a reason |
| 23:40.39 | andyross | Likewise C++ programmers aren't normally in the habit of writing seven lines of markup documentation and two lines of comment convention above every private variable. And I count "style" in the list of bad habits, FWIW. |
| 23:40.41 | tmccrary | I'd rather have verbose code than stuff like _ca |
| 23:40.59 | cbeust_ | tmccrary++ |
| 23:42.22 | andyross | Symbol names should be verbose where they're required to be verbose, generally because they are used in areas of code that aren't on the same screen at the same time. Java makes that more likely, therefore you need verbose symbols. Other languages can be terser because, well, they're terser to begin with. Lisp is especially good at that. |
| 23:42.50 | DarkriftX | its funny if i look at my sites visitor map the visitors draw a line from north california to new york and rarely stray from that point (like florida is rare, same with seattle) |
| 23:43.06 | DarkriftX | i wonder if that has to do with the availability of G1's in certain areas |
| 23:43.08 | andyross | Look at some of Paul Graham's Arc examples, like the hacker news web application, for some really good examples of readable-because-it's-terse code. |
| 23:43.10 | cbeust_ | I would use a different word than "good", but point taken |
| 23:43.32 | cbeust_ | Er, no, Paul Graham's code is not exactly readable. Arc was very underwhelming too. |
| 23:43.33 | coding1 | How long takes to learn Java? 1 week? |
| 23:43.45 | tmccrary | depends, how much programming experience do you have? |
| 23:43.49 | andyross | Meh. I liked it. And I read a lot of code. But I guess there's some room for taste. |
| 23:43.54 | cbeust_ | 1 week to learn, a lifestyle to master :) |
| 23:44.03 | coding1 | 10 years coding in ASP.net PHP |
| 23:44.07 | tmccrary | ouch |
| 23:44.11 | cbeust_ | andyross: I think he could be a good coder if he didn't such an elitist attitude |
| 23:44.12 | tmccrary | There is no hope for you |
| 23:44.13 | andyross | You can come up to speed in Java about as fast as in anything else, actually. It's got a very soft learning curve. |
| 23:44.19 | tmccrary | ;) j/ |
| 23:44.20 | tmccrary | k |
| 23:44.36 | tmccrary | Java is an easy language to learn, especially the basics |
| 23:44.40 | tmccrary | take things one step at a time |
| 23:44.56 | tmccrary | I'd say six months to be general proficient and have a decent understanding of the basics |
| 23:45.04 | tmccrary | with serious use/study anyway |
| 23:45.38 | coding1 | what if i ditch Java and i go directly to code Android? |
| 23:45.50 | cbeust_ | coding1: android is in Java |
| 23:45.50 | DarkriftX | erm..... |
| 23:45.52 | tmccrary | uh |
| 23:45.55 | cbeust_ | we don't support native code |
| 23:45.56 | romainguy | Java *language* |
| 23:46.12 | tmccrary | Java is much easier than native programming with embedded devices, at least from a learning standpoint |
| 23:46.25 | tmccrary | you will be insulated from many details and you can go straight to doing useful stuff |
| 23:46.33 | tmccrary | i.e. less plumbing |
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| 23:47.29 | languish | tmo rep referred to the g1 as "the blackberry G1" |
| 23:47.33 | languish | facepalm |
| 23:47.45 | SamSerious | lol |
| 23:47.57 | frito | lol |
| 23:48.05 | tmccrary | I read that as "tmccrary referred to g1 as "the blackberry G1" |
| 23:48.26 | languish | tmccrary, it's not all about you buddy. sometimes it's about me. :P |
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| 23:48.33 | coding1 | Thank you guys, ill start to learn java then |
| 23:48.41 | SamSerious | My friends call it google phone.. lol |
| 23:48.49 | languish | SamSerious, yeah, most people do |
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| 23:49.08 | languish | which isn't a bad thing, except for some of the negative issues around it |
| 23:49.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | yawn |
| 23:49.20 | languish | sup michael |
| 23:49.30 | michaelnovakjr__ | not much, how's it going? |
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| 23:49.53 | languish | awesome night, many tmo outages today |
| 23:50.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | where are you? |
| 23:50.04 | jsherman | coding1, you can start here http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/course/15-100-kesden/index/lecture_index.html |
| 23:50.05 | Aleksey | Ummmmm how do i save threaded mms picture msgs? |
| 23:50.06 | languish | nyc |
| 23:50.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | hm me too |
| 23:50.39 | michaelnovakjr__ | its been pretty good |
| 23:50.50 | languish | yeah I know, you were in #android-nyc yesterday :| |
| 23:50.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea :) |
| 23:51.27 | michaelnovakjr__ | i haven't had any issues, 3G has been insanely fast |
| 23:51.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | faster than my iPhone for sure |
| 23:51.46 | languish | nice, for some reason some areas are having insane outages, including voice service |
| 23:51.52 | languish | currently we only have edge |
| 23:52.03 | Aleksey | yeah edge |
| 23:52.03 | Aleksey | here |
| 23:52.11 | Aleksey | just like an outage last weekend |
| 23:52.17 | Aleksey | poor service. |
| 23:52.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm in Brooklyn (south) its been good |
| 23:52.23 | Aleksey | anyhow |
| 23:52.30 | Aleksey | How do I save picture messages to my pictures? |
| 23:52.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | i work in downtown manhattan, it was good there too |
| 23:52.34 | languish | I got them to refund this months data charges |
| 23:52.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | nice |
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| 23:53.02 | languish | 5 out of 7 days connectivity problems warranted it |
| 23:53.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | totally |
| 23:53.38 | languish | Aleksey, what do you mean "to my pictures" ? |
| 23:53.43 | languish | ahh nevermind |
| 23:53.49 | languish | press and hold on the picture |
| 23:53.54 | languish | should give you a menu |
| 23:54.01 | languish | longpress |
| 23:55.03 | Aleksey | nope |
| 23:55.04 | SamSerious | I like Voice dialing. Works perfect :) |
| 23:55.46 | languish | yeah the voide dialing is cool, except for entries I have that have a few consonants as the first few letters |
| 23:55.49 | languish | *voide |
| 23:56.09 | languish | like using peoples nicks/nicknames for their entry |
| 23:56.10 | donomo | how do i create a new socket? (im trying to read the assigned IP address). here is my attempt, and error, http://pastie.org/305657 |
| 23:56.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | donomo: what are you trying to accomplish/ |
| 23:56.40 | romainguy | did you ask for the INTERNET permission? |
| 23:56.44 | cbeust_ | Did your app request the INTERNET permission? |
| 23:56.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | yea you need that |
| 23:56.51 | donomo | oh maybe thats it heh. |
| 23:56.56 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 23:57.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | its not the best error message :) |
| 23:57.07 | DarkriftX | languish, 499 members |
| 23:57.11 | cbeust_ | Yeah sorry about that |
| 23:57.12 | donomo | i'll say :) |
| 23:57.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | plusminus documented it on his forums, so at least it is searchable |
| 23:58.19 | Aleksey | languish, you cant long press on picture |
| 23:58.21 | Aleksey | only message |
| 23:58.25 | SamSerious | Think I'll grab some java books. I'm not a programmer but I'd love to learn some Android programming. |
| 23:58.28 | Aleksey | and that results in.. Show Slideshow |
| 23:58.41 | donomo | im getting a different problem now, but i think im past the socket creation error. thanks! |
| 23:58.46 | cbeust_ | SamSerious: That's great to hear |
| 23:58.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | romainguy: onContextMenuClosed.... when that method is called is the context menu closing or already closed |
| 23:59.06 | romainguy | no idea |
| 23:59.07 | DarkriftX | ive been tossing the idea around myself but im not good at following through with new languages |
| 23:59.10 | romainguy | check out the source code |
| 23:59.17 | DarkriftX | i always learn enough to fix what im working on and then give up :( |