| 00:00.09 | languish | Does the Androidchat .apk from googlecode work for anyone directly downloaded from the site? http://androidchat.googlecode.com/files/androidChat.apk |
| 00:00.09 | umdk1d3 | *get access to, meaning cant borrow them in a user app |
| 00:01.08 | enf | umd1d3: well, you have the source now... you can copy the colors xml file and change it however you want |
| 00:01.22 | umdk1d3 | enf: right :/ but its always better to reference in case something changes |
| 00:01.32 | languish | For me, it downloads, and I can choose to install it, but nothing occurs when I do. (androidchat) |
| 00:01.42 | umdk1d3 | languish: that apk was created back in april--i think its still back in m5 days |
| 00:01.53 | languish | Just wondering if it's another device specific quirk |
| 00:02.08 | enf | umdk1d3: true... but i don't think there's a better way to do it in this case |
| 00:02.24 | languish | umdk1d3, ahh ok thanks |
| 00:02.25 | enf | resource inheritance is just kind of a mess |
| 00:02.35 | umdk1d3 | its somewhat cool though :) |
| 00:02.44 | umdk1d3 | keeps people from reinventing the wheel |
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| 00:14.26 | After_Math | I thought that Android would drop the price of phones? |
| 00:14.39 | After_Math | $399 retail does not seem like much of a reduction |
| 00:14.48 | umdk1d3 | iphone was 500 retail, yes? |
| 00:14.48 | After_Math | for the G1 |
| 00:15.02 | After_Math | Well thats Mac, and they are Elite |
| 00:15.13 | After_Math | and their hardware is superior to G1's |
| 00:15.25 | Dougie187 | After_Math: thats not too bad... for an unlocked phone. |
| 00:15.28 | umdk1d3 | your face is superior to my fist |
| 00:15.30 | umdk1d3 | OHSNAp |
| 00:15.31 | umdk1d3 | lol |
| 00:15.33 | umdk1d3 | j/k |
| 00:15.41 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: ... wouldn't your fist be superior to his face? |
| 00:15.45 | umdk1d3 | yea yea |
| 00:15.47 | umdk1d3 | i just read it |
| 00:15.50 | After_Math | LOL haha |
| 00:15.56 | Dougie187 | yeah, and how little sense you made? |
| 00:15.56 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 00:16.07 | After_Math | umdk1d3, you dont want to break your fist on my face bro |
| 00:16.09 | umdk1d3 | it was a horrible comeback :P |
| 00:16.13 | unix_infidel | in the world of foot, fist, face, foot and fist always win against face. |
| 00:16.16 | Dougie187 | yeah it was. |
| 00:16.40 | Dougie187 | yeah. its like rock paper scissors when you replace paper with wet paper. |
| 00:17.21 | After_Math | I dont know, I really dont know what to think of Android and the G1 right now |
| 00:17.38 | Dougie187 | what do you want to think of it? |
| 00:17.38 | f00f- | let's go smoke a dougie! |
| 00:17.40 | umdk1d3 | carefully separate the software and hardware |
| 00:17.46 | f00f- | well, i'm kind of excited. i should be getting my G1 on monday! |
| 00:17.58 | umdk1d3 | f00f-: you didnt get one yet? :( |
| 00:18.08 | f00f- | nope |
| 00:18.10 | Dougie187 | f00f-: did you like just order it? |
| 00:18.12 | After_Math | Dougie187, well It seemed way more hyped then what it seem to be |
| 00:18.18 | f00f- | it shipped out today |
| 00:18.19 | f00f- | (or it will) |
| 00:18.26 | f00f- | yeah, got two |
| 00:18.33 | umdk1d3 | !! |
| 00:18.34 | Dougie187 | After_Math: it seemed hyped to you? I feel quite the opposite. I think it was not very hyped at all... |
| 00:18.44 | Dougie187 | f00f-: thats pretty sweet. |
| 00:18.47 | After_Math | Dougie187, commercially no it wasnt |
| 00:18.47 | unix_infidel | Dougie187: he's not the masses. |
| 00:19.29 | After_Math | unix_infidel, no I am not but considering myself as a geek, I intend to be shocked if google thinks its going to come to a new market |
| 00:19.40 | f00f- | so any stats on app downloads yet? |
| 00:19.48 | After_Math | but I will say they havent opened up the 3rd party market yet |
| 00:19.50 | f00f- | i saw 50k somewhere |
| 00:19.54 | umdk1d3 | there are rough stats in the market |
| 00:19.58 | umdk1d3 | for each app |
| 00:20.02 | Dougie187 | f00f-: most people are downloading things, but staying away from muthu's apps. |
| 00:20.05 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 00:20.07 | f00f- | hahahahahahahaha |
| 00:20.12 | After_Math | lol muthu |
| 00:20.23 | ralfz | umdk1d3: you can see the stats on market? where? |
| 00:20.33 | umdk1d3 | ralfz: its in the header bar |
| 00:20.37 | f00f- | umdk1d3: so what's your total guesstimate? |
| 00:20.50 | ralfz | ulmen: oh.. i though it was on the web |
| 00:20.54 | After_Math | the OEM apps are basic.... |
| 00:21.05 | umdk1d3 | no app has broken 50,000 yet, from what i can see |
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| 00:21.14 | After_Math | I expected more control |
| 00:21.22 | umdk1d3 | weather channel is most popular right not, and they have 10-50k it says |
| 00:21.23 | f00f- | best apps? |
| 00:21.32 | f00f- | nice, that's a good household name |
| 00:21.38 | umdk1d3 | f00f-: there is some magic app that i really wanna hack |
| 00:21.49 | umdk1d3 | its an app that automagically gives your phone free wifi at tmobile hotspots |
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| 00:22.09 | f00f- | umdk1d3: slurp the .apk and let the fun begin :) |
| 00:22.11 | After_Math | umdk1d3, what would you do with it? |
| 00:22.16 | ralfz | umdk1d3: isnt' there already a t-mo wifi finder |
| 00:22.19 | umdk1d3 | well, first, you prolly cant reverse engineer |
| 00:22.20 | waldo_ | is back (gone 01:06:00) |
| 00:22.27 | umdk1d3 | so i would sniff wifi traffic |
| 00:22.47 | umdk1d3 | i dont think its as simple as the att user agent string hack |
| 00:23.02 | f00f- | yeah set up your lappy as an AP and transparently proxy it to a nearby T-Mobile hotspot |
| 00:23.09 | f00f- | best done in a coffee shop? |
| 00:23.29 | umdk1d3 | i guess they have tmobile here in town at kinko, so i was gonna head over there at some point |
| 00:23.47 | umdk1d3 | well, its just wifi, so promiscious packet sniff |
| 00:24.27 | umdk1d3 | wonders what the least popular app is |
| 00:24.29 | ITechJunkie | Hey guys. Do XML files have the same type of function as a CSS style? Basically for defining properties of elements in the source? |
| 00:25.08 | umdk1d3 | ITechJunkie: in a way, yes |
| 00:25.22 | umdk1d3 | they can define all sorts of stuff |
| 00:25.23 | morrildl | Okay, time to drink champagne and play Mega Man 9 |
| 00:26.17 | ITechJunkie | umdk1d3, I'm only new to programming and want to develop for Android. Can you give me a brief comparison of the two so I can understand a little of the differences? |
| 00:26.25 | umdk1d3 | ouch lol ecorio is 3rd from last in popularity, and thats with tmobile promoting them in stores |
| 00:27.04 | umdk1d3 | the first xml youll probably encounter in android is in /layouts/ folder |
| 00:27.23 | umdk1d3 | its more like xhtml for your gui. you define the controls/widgets you want to put on your screen |
| 00:27.59 | umdk1d3 | for most people, thats good enough. but you could also abstract some of the settings, like colors and font sizes,etc, but that is fairly advanced |
| 00:31.38 | ITechJunkie | umdk1d3, thanks man. Makes sense. |
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| 00:52.20 | umdk1d3 | jasta: you around? wondering how you resolved that issue with the installer signature issue |
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| 00:55.48 | ITechJunkie | So does anyone know if Bash has been ported over to the G1 yet? |
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| 00:58.16 | Ramblurr | if i want to make an activty that has some widgets (like an EditText) above a ListView.. does it have to implement ListActivty? |
| 00:59.17 | jasonparekh | Ramblurr: nope, not at all |
| 00:59.36 | Ramblurr | should i ? |
| 01:01.45 | jasonparekh | up to you. ListActivity makes something easiers, but not much. If you do inherit from ListActivity, your custom layout should have a ListView with id="@android:id/list" (the ListActivity will reference that ListView) |
| 01:02.33 | Ramblurr | hmm |
| 01:03.17 | illuminum | is there a hack out yet to see linux boot, initializing system services and such |
| 01:03.22 | illuminum | instead of a stupid robot |
| 01:04.23 | Laz | the robot is cool |
| 01:04.34 | amitava | its not stupid robot. its Android. >.< |
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| 01:04.48 | illuminum | yeah but linux is more cool |
| 01:04.54 | illuminum | logos are for windows |
| 01:05.01 | amitava | O.o |
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| 01:05.54 | illuminum | also i'm still fiending for a terminal to get to a shell and a port of vim :-/, wish i had the time to do what it takes to code these things |
| 01:06.42 | unix_infidel | I'm almost certain they've ported vim for debian-arm. |
| 01:06.55 | illuminum | iphone yes |
| 01:07.17 | illuminum | agvim would be nice (android graphical vim) |
| 01:07.40 | unix_infidel | illuminum: iphone? |
| 01:07.53 | illuminum | oh i thought you said darwin |
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| 01:08.24 | k4jcw | Anyone had to reformat their SD card yet? Either Windows or the G1 totally hosed my SD card when I was syncing MP3s to it. |
| 01:08.34 | jadams | I just got my 16GB microSDHC card in today |
| 01:08.43 | jadams | copied files over on the desktop, popped it in, golden. |
| 01:08.56 | illuminum | probably windows |
| 01:09.04 | illuminum | probably decided it didn't like utf and made it iso |
| 01:09.15 | illuminum | i'm guessing, pulling that guess out of my ass but it's probably not far off |
| 01:09.36 | k4jcw | I've been using it for a couple days. |
| 01:09.38 | jadams | is there a good app for saving a day's trip data from the gps? |
| 01:09.46 | k4jcw | Haven't had a problem until just today. |
| 01:09.54 | jadams | I'm aware of ecorio, but it ate my battery as far as I can tell |
| 01:10.02 | jadams | also, stupid question: how do I uninstall an app? |
| 01:10.30 | illuminum | i think thats somewhere in settings jadams |
| 01:10.34 | illuminum | applications i think |
| 01:10.45 | unix_infidel | didnt know that you could uninstall an app unless it was installed from marketplace. |
| 01:10.50 | jasonparekh | jadams: easiest is Market > My downloads > [app] -> Uninstall |
| 01:10.53 | jadams | oh yeah |
| 01:10.55 | jadams | I forgot |
| 01:11.00 | jadams | my problem is that ecorio doesn't sho wup in the list |
| 01:11.11 | jadams | jasonchen, thanks |
| 01:11.54 | jadams | it shows up in the market list of apps, just not from settings |
| 01:12.14 | jasonparekh | jadams: it's probably in Settings also, just under the package name since they must not have provided a label for the <application> in the manifst |
| 01:12.30 | jadams | how about closing an app? |
| 01:12.41 | jadams | it gets sluggish sometimes, and some apps don't offer the ability to close them |
| 01:12.57 | romainguy_ | jadams: just press back, this will finish the app |
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| 01:13.38 | jadams | romainguy, sometimes they're still available if I hold down the home button, in the list |
| 01:13.43 | jadams | romainguy, err, most of the time |
| 01:13.44 | mpardo | how do i align an image to the bottom of a view? |
| 01:13.50 | illuminum | aye, as soon as a terminal client comes out (i'm assuming android has /bin/sh or something of the sort already on it) we can just ps aux and kill -9 |
| 01:13.51 | mpardo | i have fill_parent |
| 01:13.56 | mpardo | then what? |
| 01:14.00 | romainguy_ | jadams: that doesn't mean the app is running |
| 01:14.02 | tparkin | I installed an app, then installed a newer version and now the new one crashes due to leftovers of the previous. Anyone have a solution for this? I way to clear out the old one completely - even after it says its uninstalled? |
| 01:14.10 | romainguy_ | jadams: it's the list of apps recently launched |
| 01:14.15 | mpardo | adb uninstall com.app.name |
| 01:14.16 | romainguy_ | jadams: let the system handle this :) |
| 01:14.33 | tparkin | mpardo, I did that but it fails saying its not there, but some of it is apparently |
| 01:14.35 | jadams | romainguy, alright, I only ask because sometimes the system gets unbearably slow |
| 01:14.40 | romainguy_ | illuminum: no, because you cannot be root |
| 01:14.43 | jadams | romainguy, that is, it fails to handle it to my satisfaction |
| 01:14.48 | illuminum | haha what romain? |
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| 01:14.59 | mpardo | did you clean your project? |
| 01:15.07 | languish | If anyone asks about video for the G1/Video Player give them this url http://forums.tmonews.com/index.php?topic=3261.0 |
| 01:15.07 | romainguy_ | illuminum: if you had a terminal application, you could not be root so you could not kill processes |
| 01:15.20 | mpardo | debug and see where it breaks |
| 01:15.24 | jadams | romainguy, don't think anyone will figure out how to become root? With physical access? |
| 01:15.25 | illuminum | what does the system run as? |
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| 01:15.31 | illuminum | user android or something? |
| 01:15.36 | tparkin | mpardo me? |
| 01:15.41 | mpardo | yes |
| 01:15.44 | romainguy_ | jadams: maybe, but that's not out of the box |
| 01:15.45 | mpardo | tparkin yes u |
| 01:15.48 | tparkin | I'm using apks, not my app |
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| 01:15.51 | illuminum | does whatever user runs the system have su? |
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| 01:17.04 | romainguy_ | illuminum: there's no su |
| 01:17.19 | wastrel | t-mob fixed my internet |
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| 01:18.25 | illuminum | hmm, guess i'll just wait for the hackers to make enough mods and port enough tools to provide a proper linux subsystem |
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| 01:20.40 | thoraxe | is there a channel for the G1? or are g1-related questions ok in here? |
| 01:21.03 | jadams | thoraxe, no one has killed me yet for asking |
| 01:21.04 | languish | wastrel, did they tell you what the issue was? |
| 01:21.17 | languish | wastrel (and congrats!, welcome to the party :) |
| 01:21.20 | thoraxe | so i connected to my home wifi but then no webpages would come up... that seems.. odd :) |
| 01:21.43 | SamSerious_ | How long does it take for 3G activation? I still don't have 3G. |
| 01:22.04 | languish | SamSerious_, be sure your area is covered by 3g, not areas are. |
| 01:22.10 | SamSerious_ | Yes I am |
| 01:22.13 | wastrel | languish: no i haven't spoken to anyone since the ticket was put in to lvl 3 support. i just checked and it's fixed . i presume they'll call on monday for a followup so they can close the ticket |
| 01:22.48 | languish | SamSerious_, call t-mobile to make sure it's enabled on your account. Even if you think it is, they've had some accounts it needed to be enabled. |
| 01:23.09 | languish | SamSerious_, when you call 611, just say "g1" |
| 01:23.20 | languish | (to the AVR) |
| 01:23.25 | SamSerious_ | OK, Calling right away. Thanks for the info :) |
| 01:23.29 | languish | no prob :) |
| 01:23.43 | languish | wastrel, cool. |
| 01:25.35 | mpardo | anyone know how to align a widget to the bottom of a liner layout? |
| 01:25.38 | mpardo | linear* |
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| 01:29.51 | thoraxe | are there any vpn clients yet? |
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| 01:31.23 | wastrel | woo market application crashed :] |
| 01:31.36 | thoraxe | haha |
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| 01:33.40 | landslide | with the anroid stack, how do i get it to build the emulator image? |
| 01:33.49 | landslide | by default it builds a generic image. |
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| 01:36.32 | waldo_ | landslide you're using eclipse? |
| 01:38.04 | landslide | nah, i'm talking about the stack |
| 01:38.07 | landslide | not the SDK |
| 01:38.11 | waldo_ | oh |
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| 01:44.21 | hale | hi! |
| 01:44.56 | SamSerious_ | Well no 3G yet in my area. Rep said its gonna take some 48 hrs to expand 3G coverage in my area.. I called twice. One said I already have 3g near my area & another said just opposite.. lol |
| 01:45.00 | hale | i'm trying to get .apk files to work on the emulator. i'm a n00b. |
| 01:45.15 | hale | is there a list of .apk that work with the latest release? |
| 01:45.48 | languish | SamSerious_, give it 3 weeks.. it's t-mobile... |
| 01:46.14 | languish | til then you always have wifi :) |
| 01:46.31 | SamSerious_ | dunno.. Im new tmobile customer. thanks to G1.. :p |
| 01:46.41 | languish | lol you poor bastard |
| 01:46.53 | thoraxe | languish: i totally couldn't go to any webpages but google when i had wifi on |
| 01:47.03 | languish | get on over to the howardforums.com t-mobile forums to see what you'll be dealing with, good and bad. |
| 01:47.22 | languish | )with regards to t-mobile itself) |
| 01:47.30 | SamSerious_ | lol |
| 01:47.34 | languish | thoraxe, strange |
| 01:47.43 | languish | thoraxe, you were connected to your own wifi? |
| 01:48.08 | languish | thoraxe, or is the issue fixed now? |
| 01:48.13 | wastrel | picsay is a good program |
| 01:48.27 | thoraxe | i was connected to my hoem wifi. i disconnected |
| 01:48.30 | thoraxe | i'll try again later |
| 01:48.37 | thoraxe | i can't wait till they come out with a vpn client |
| 01:48.41 | SamSerious_ | Whats the battery stat. for you guys? |
| 01:48.43 | thoraxe | i downloaded connectbot :) |
| 01:49.35 | wastrel | there's a ssh program |
| 01:49.35 | languish | SamSerious_, it varries wildly |
| 01:49.35 | wastrel | yeah |
| 01:49.36 | thoraxe | wastrel: i need vpn to access my work email |
| 01:49.36 | languish | SamSerious_, don |
| 01:49.36 | hale | is there a list of .apk that work with the latest release? |
| 01:49.36 | languish | err |
| 01:49.36 | SamSerious_ | I cant wait till a irc client which runs at background like gtalk.. |
| 01:49.36 | hale | i wanted to try some programs on the emulator... |
| 01:49.48 | languish | SamSerious_, don't leave your 3g/wifi/gps enabled all day long when not using it, and the battery WILL last all day long |
| 01:50.34 | thoraxe | 3g uses extra battery???? |
| 01:50.38 | languish | yes |
| 01:50.45 | thoraxe | i turned on gps and the location got worse lol |
| 01:50.48 | languish | there's a setting to just use 2g |
| 01:50.51 | thoraxe | but i was inside |
| 01:50.54 | SamSerious_ | Well for me, first run was like 4 hrs with 3 hrs awake time (mostly online over edge) |
| 01:51.12 | SamSerious_ | languish: yeah. everything is turned off |
| 01:51.41 | languish | thoraxe, you have to be outside, and give the GPS time (even up to a couple of hours sometimes) to locate satellites. since it's aGPS it should take less time, but you still need to be by a window.. clear view of the sky.. for the GPS to work properly |
| 01:51.59 | languish | SamSerious_, yes, when I'm using everything, I get about 4 hours. |
| 01:52.08 | thoraxe | languish: that's what i figured |
| 01:52.16 | thoraxe | languish: i'm in a major metro so i probably won't need the real gps too often |
| 01:52.19 | PoohbaLT | is eclipse different on linux? i can't follow the instructions on creating getting started. start a new android project is not an option |
| 01:52.34 | languish | when I manage, and use moderately.. I get about 8 hours, and with meager use.. it'll last me a couple of days |
| 01:52.42 | languish | thoraxe, nod |
| 01:52.58 | SamSerious_ | languish: No that was after unboxing with default charge (some 60-70%) |
| 01:53.00 | languish | but I doubt I'll ever do meager use |
| 01:53.08 | languish | SamSerious_, cool |
| 01:53.35 | languish | also.. with the G1's battery.. small recharges throughout the day are best.. don't drain and full up, drain and full up |
| 01:54.14 | languish | you can drain it once in awhile, and full up.. just so it has proper battery life calibration.. once a month or less often |
| 01:54.51 | languish | just carry the USB cable with ya.. since it charges the G1 |
| 01:55.08 | languish | and randomly scare people by plugging in to their laptops |
| 01:55.13 | languish | >:) |
| 01:55.49 | SamSerious_ | I dont do much talking.. may be some 10 min in a day. weekend may be 30 min max.. lol. All i want is data.. :D |
| 01:56.48 | languish | yeap d-d-d-date is the word, the word that you heard, it's got cool.. it's got meaning |
| 01:56.49 | SamSerious_ | Now its 30%, 11h:22m up; 2h:35m awake |
| 01:56.51 | languish | err |
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| 01:56.57 | languish | *data :/ |
| 01:57.04 | landslide | what's the difference between the android simulator and android emulator? |
| 01:57.23 | languish | landslide, a simulator is just a fake representation that's not functional |
| 01:57.39 | languish | for demonstration of the interface |
| 01:57.40 | mpardo | is there any way to procedurally check if a service is running? |
| 01:57.55 | landslide | ahh i see |
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| 01:59.01 | mpardo | no? :O |
| 01:59.57 | languish | mpardo be patient, wait for one of the clueful devs to be aware of your question :) |
| 02:00.13 | languish | it's dinner time for most of them |
| 02:00.18 | mpardo | lol i'm an impatient american |
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| 02:00.25 | SamSerious_ | lol |
| 02:00.25 | languish | me too buddy me too |
| 02:00.29 | mpardo | no but srsly i've asked a million times |
| 02:00.35 | mpardo | :( |
| 02:00.53 | languish | perhaps you need to ask during another time of day.. lol |
| 02:00.58 | gdsx | mpardo: what do you mean by "service"? |
| 02:01.04 | mpardo | like ALL day :| |
| 02:01.05 | gdsx | and yeah, it's sort of friday night in MTV |
| 02:01.18 | mpardo | i extended PhoneStateListener |
| 02:01.31 | mpardo | er wait |
| 02:01.40 | languish | ocrap, todays friday? |
| 02:01.46 | mpardo | yea... lol and then i put it in a service |
| 02:01.49 | languish | heads out |
| 02:02.00 | mpardo | i want to check and see if it's still running |
| 02:02.50 | languish | ok just kidding. i'm a married guy. i don't need to hit the scene to get laid. life is good, it's cold out. i'm stayin home. |
| 02:03.27 | SamSerious_ | cold!! where? |
| 02:03.35 | mpardo | i'm gettin married next saturday :| |
| 02:03.55 | gdsx | mpardo: dunno, sorry |
| 02:03.59 | SamSerious_ | wow congratulation mpardo :D |
| 02:04.08 | mpardo | i just had a medium pizza some beer and a cigar... gotta rebel real quick lol |
| 02:04.23 | languish | mpardo, I'm very haqppily married but man.. my condolences.....err congrats :) |
| 02:04.29 | mpardo | haha |
| 02:04.34 | SamSerious_ | im having some mexican rice, chips n coke..lol |
| 02:04.42 | languish | SamSerious_, nyc |
| 02:05.09 | languish | it's not freezing but it's uncomfortably chilly |
| 02:05.09 | mpardo | mi here... cooooold too |
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| 02:05.57 | SamSerious_ | i miss cold weather... |
| 02:06.27 | mpardo | SamSrious_ until you total your call cuz of black ice |
| 02:06.27 | PoohbaLT | what is the best link to use for a speed test on the android? |
| 02:06.35 | mpardo | car* |
| 02:07.17 | languish | PoohbaLT http://www.dslreports.com/mspeed?jisok=1 |
| 02:07.18 | SamSerious_ | huh mpardo ? |
| 02:07.25 | mpardo | er nvm |
| 02:07.38 | ITechJunkie | I got it mpardo |
| 02:07.48 | gdsx | black ice sucks when you're on a bike |
| 02:07.57 | SamSerious_ | i might not get some of your american jokes since im not american..lol |
| 02:07.59 | ITechJunkie | Oklahoma had a bad case of black ice last year |
| 02:08.02 | mpardo | gsdx and drunk |
| 02:08.11 | languish | Poohba, click 100k then click choose a larger file |
| 02:08.14 | gdsx | :o) |
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| 02:08.25 | languish | then click 1MB |
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| 02:08.49 | PoohbaLT | ok |
| 02:09.29 | languish | I get around 218k on it on i |
| 02:09.35 | languish | err |
| 02:09.39 | languish | yeah. |
| 02:09.53 | PoohbaLT | 912 |
| 02:10.59 | thoraxe | how often does it sync the imap folders |
| 02:11.07 | thoraxe | cuz i've got some folders i deleted in an email account that are still showing |
| 02:11.23 | thoraxe | i really hate that you can't hit the delete key in the gmail app to directly delete an email hehe |
| 02:11.37 | SamSerious_ | how do i separate gmail contacts from phone contacts? |
| 02:11.47 | PoohbaLT | 649k, 604k, 698k |
| 02:11.52 | wastrel | i don't think you can? |
| 02:12.34 | PoohbaLT | is there a way to get a 5min screen timeout? |
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| 02:12.43 | thoraxe | PoohbaLT: you mean screen blank? |
| 02:12.57 | SamSerious_ | Ah. thats bad. I have like 200 useless contacts in my gmail account. |
| 02:12.58 | PoohbaLT | yeah |
| 02:13.12 | wastrel | i started fresh with a new gmail account :] |
| 02:13.15 | thoraxe | ohhh... don't think so |
| 02:14.08 | languish | PoohbaLT, go in to settings, sound & display, scroll all the way down to screen timeout |
| 02:14.17 | Ramblurr | man i'm having some problems right aligning an image view in a horizontal linearlayout |
| 02:14.52 | PoohbaLT | can i change who i'm sending mail as, like I can in gmail on the computer? |
| 02:14.54 | languish | ah, it jumps from 2 minutes to 10 minutes, no 5 minutes |
| 02:15.01 | PoohbaLT | languish: right |
| 02:15.53 | PoohbaLT | on windows at work i was able to do the hello program but at home on windows i cannot. i can't get eclipse to have the "New Android Project" why is that? |
| 02:16.09 | PoohbaLT | and are ther any other good tutorials that you guys know of? |
| 02:16.16 | PoohbaLT | i'm new to java too |
| 02:16.26 | Ramblurr | anyone know why the image view in this ui isn't right aligned at runtime? http://rafb.net/p/TDn0nI56.html |
| 02:16.31 | wastrel | new to java you say |
| 02:16.57 | PoohbaLT | yes. doesn't it use java? |
| 02:17.17 | umdk1d3 | hmm is there a good way of forcing z-order when you have stuff overlapping? |
| 02:17.37 | languish | PoohbaLT http://www.anddev.org/index.php?c=2 |
| 02:17.41 | SamSerious_ | Ah got it. I can put all the gmail contacts in a group and then unselect that group from syncing.. |
| 02:17.52 | umdk1d3 | oh i think i figured it out--its based on the xml order. i thought it wasnt working there for a second |
| 02:21.32 | Dougie187 | so, you can get a G1 at costco? |
| 02:21.48 | umdk1d3 | orly? |
| 02:21.51 | Dougie187 | $350 Mid contract. |
| 02:21.59 | Dougie187 | http://www.fatwallet.com/forums/hot-deals/872941/ |
| 02:22.18 | unix_infidel | anyone know of any community tutorials? |
| 02:22.27 | Dougie187 | err $229 mid contract. |
| 02:22.29 | Dougie187 | (in store) |
| 02:22.55 | languish | unix_infidel community tutorials? besides what's here? http://www.anddev.org/index.php?c=2 |
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| 02:23.14 | unix_infidel | hmm, anddev seems to have really grown since last week. |
| 02:23.22 | languish | lol |
| 02:25.06 | unix_infidel | maybe not the most polished site :-P |
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| 02:26.40 | bao^ | 1 |
| 02:26.56 | wastrel | is there a cannonical list of open source apps out there? |
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| 02:27.47 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: you gonna order another one? |
| 02:28.09 | PoohbaLT | languish: what program is this using to create programs? It doesn't look like Eclipse |
| 02:28.21 | languish | wastrel, I don't think there's a single authoritative list or archive yet. |
| 02:28.48 | galtoid | anyone done a camerabutton+power on boot and got the serial to work yet? |
| 02:28.58 | languish | PoohbaLT, ask the devs in the channel :) |
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| 02:30.55 | galtoid | ..and I wonder if there's serial running on a few pf the connector pins at that point? |
| 02:31.00 | umdk1d3 | Dougie187: dont know :/ |
| 02:31.07 | umdk1d3 | i would if i could get it w/o contract |
| 02:31.25 | umdk1d3 | or get it under an at+t contract |
| 02:31.34 | umdk1d3 | tmobile data doesnt work at all in this town |
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| 02:31.53 | galtoid | or mabe a better question is, where are the g1 hackers at? :) |
| 02:32.52 | umdk1d3 | yay! |
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| 02:34.46 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: it says you can get it while in a contract for 229. |
| 02:35.12 | Dougie187 | so maybe wait a bit and you can get a new g1 |
| 02:36.17 | k4jcw | Now how do you get it out of serial boot mode? Power key doesn't seem to work. Take out the battery? |
| 02:36.50 | eggy | I'd buy a G1 if I didn't have to commit to T-Mobile contract :D |
| 02:37.08 | Dougie187 | eggy: you can... |
| 02:37.26 | umdk1d3 | Dougie187: oh, so you can pick up multiple G1s under the same contract =D |
| 02:37.36 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: i would assume so? |
| 02:37.57 | eggy | yeah, but its like $350 or something, right |
| 02:38.17 | Dougie187 | eggy: yeah. 400 |
| 02:38.28 | eggy | thought I heard something about 90 days too? |
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| 02:38.47 | Dougie187 | eggy: 90 days until they unlock it for you. but the contract is a month by month thing. |
| 02:38.58 | Dougie187 | so just do it one month, wait 60 days, get it unlocked and your good |
| 02:39.24 | eggy | And I can get a cheep plan for a month? Heh |
| 02:39.33 | Dougie187 | yeah, even better. |
| 02:39.38 | eggy | I use AT&T as my primary. |
| 02:39.50 | eggy | I don't really want to switch, but I like the ideas behind the G1 a lot. |
| 02:40.01 | eggy | Well, Andriod in genearl |
| 02:40.07 | Dougie187 | well, after the contract breaks, you can't use the phone. just use wifi or something |
| 02:40.11 | Dougie187 | and use it to develop |
| 02:40.26 | eggy | Yeah, well that's exataly what I'd use it for |
| 02:40.35 | eggy | I don't care about the provider stuff |
| 02:40.40 | Dougie187 | you can use it as a mid and developer handset |
| 02:40.50 | Dougie187 | but if you reset it or anything you will need to borrow an activated sim card. |
| 02:41.08 | eggy | unless they'd unlock it |
| 02:41.23 | Dougie187 | true, this is just what i hear is the easiest way to do it now. |
| 02:41.29 | umdk1d3 | what are the typical early termination fees? or will tmob let you get it with month-to-month contract? |
| 02:41.35 | eggy | Which is why I'm probably going to wait and see if they'll actually unlock them after 90 days. From what I can tell, its merely hersay |
| 02:41.39 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: the month to month g1 costs more. |
| 02:41.58 | Dougie187 | eggy: well, it is of course hearsay right now because it has only been out for 2 days. |
| 02:42.09 | umdk1d3 | ahic |
| 02:42.19 | eggy | Yeah, I know that :) |
| 02:42.32 | Dougie187 | umdk1d3: but etf for most other carriers as i know are 150 |
| 02:42.33 | k4jcw | T-Mobile has a good track record for unlocks, however. |
| 02:42.53 | eggy | allrite -- thats good to know |
| 02:43.37 | eggy | Plus, I wouldn't think the concept behind Android and having an "open handset" would promote provider locking for very long. |
| 02:43.54 | Dougie187 | true, and i bet users will find a way to unlock them yourselfs. |
| 02:43.58 | Dougie187 | yourselves. |
| 02:44.11 | eggy | I suspect that's true too. |
| 02:44.15 | k4jcw | Locking and open source have nothing to do with each other. |
| 02:44.21 | Dougie187 | but thats that whole activated sim thing. |
| 02:44.43 | Dougie187 | if you pop an activated sim card in a g1, add a gmail acct, and swap back to an unactivated sim card you're basically unlocked. |
| 02:44.52 | Dougie187 | you just can't make calls, but you can use the phone for everything else. |
| 02:44.56 | Dougie187 | (on wifi) |
| 02:45.14 | eggy | You mean, T-Mobile activated SIM? |
| 02:45.17 | Dougie187 | yeah |
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| 02:45.45 | eggy | hrm - there's a T-Moible store not too far from here |
| 02:45.50 | eggy | wonder if they have any G1s |
| 02:45.51 | eggy | heh |
| 02:45.54 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 02:45.59 | Dougie187 | you have to buy it with a plan from what i know. |
| 02:46.03 | unix_infidel | Dougie187: unlocked in the sense that you dont need a t-mobile sim, but you cant use it on any other carrier. |
| 02:46.06 | k4jcw | If you get one, don't get the bronze one. |
| 02:46.14 | f00f- | hahaha |
| 02:46.19 | Dougie187 | unix_infidel: true, but can you unlock it in that sense ever? |
| 02:46.32 | f00f- | i was on the phone with my t-mobile guy |
| 02:46.36 | unix_infidel | Dougie187: meh, maybe. |
| 02:46.38 | f00f- | we only had a choice between brown and black |
| 02:46.43 | k4jcw | Seriously, the keyboard backlighting is much poorer than the black. |
| 02:46.50 | unix_infidel | I'd like a different device to salivate over unlocking though. |
| 02:46.50 | k4jcw | Brown ... bronze... same thing. |
| 02:46.51 | Dougie187 | unix_infidel: i thought the data frequencies of the phone were not supported by other us carriers |
| 02:47.17 | eggy | Well, I'm in no rush to buy a G1 at this point in time :-) |
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| 02:47.30 | unix_infidel | iirc one of the development G1's were able to get on AT&T |
| 02:47.54 | mmattice | Dougie187: it's a quad band phone. it'll work on any gsm carrier |
| 02:48.06 | f00f- | it's operator locked though |
| 02:48.10 | f00f- | but you can just get the sim card hack |
| 02:48.12 | f00f- | very easy |
| 02:48.26 | unix_infidel | mmattice: he's talking about the 3G freqs. |
| 02:48.32 | Dougie187 | f00f-: or if tmobile unlocks it after 90 days you don't have to worry about it. |
| 02:48.33 | eggy | btw, is it just me or is the Maps application missing from the open source Android? |
| 02:48.42 | f00f- | yes, that'll work too |
| 02:48.46 | Dougie187 | and yeah unix_infidel thats right. |
| 02:48.46 | f00f- | probably that is your best, stress-free bet |
| 02:49.02 | f00f- | unlocking it is pointless since you lose 3G |
| 02:49.04 | k4jcw | f00f-, is your handle derived from the Intel F00F related CPU bug? |
| 02:49.30 | f00f- | k4jcw: yeah, i get a lot of heat for the F0 0F bug |
| 02:49.36 | f00f- | k4jcw: what class are you? |
| 02:49.41 | k4jcw | Extra |
| 02:50.14 | f00f- | nice, i'm tech. |
| 02:50.46 | umdk1d3 | (ham?) |
| 02:50.55 | k4jcw | ah, cool. What's your call? |
| 02:51.15 | k4jcw | umdk1d3, yes, we're hams :) |
| 02:51.19 | yakischloba | digs around for his license, not remembering |
| 02:51.35 | f00f- | i don't take advantage of my license at all |
| 02:51.38 | yakischloba | ah, "Technician" |
| 02:51.52 | yakischloba | wow. I got this in 2000 |
| 02:51.54 | f00f- | i have this yaesu handheld |
| 02:52.33 | yakischloba | jeez i was like 13 or 14 |
| 02:52.57 | yakischloba | All I remember is after I got it I stopped participating |
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| 02:53.24 | k4jcw | Bummer. Amateur radio is fun. |
| 02:53.41 | yakischloba | Yeah I had a blast while I was learning it and doing projects with the club. I don't know why I lost interest |
| 02:53.44 | k4jcw | So many things to do. HF, satellite, digital modes, emergency services work... |
| 02:54.34 | eggy | Amaeur Radio has allways looked fun to me, its been one of those things I've never gotten around to persuing |
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| 02:54.45 | yakischloba | ah its way fun |
| 02:55.50 | eggy | perhaps one day, I'll have enough inerest to study and take the test |
| 02:55.56 | trigatch4 | hey folks how is everyone? |
| 02:55.58 | trigatch4 | happy weekend! |
| 02:56.21 | eggy | Indeed, I'm happy the weekend is finally here. |
| 02:56.39 | f00f- | i studied maybe a week for my license and got it |
| 02:56.42 | f00f- | bought radios |
| 02:56.45 | f00f- | used it for maybe 2 weeks |
| 02:56.49 | f00f- | then moved onto something new |
| 02:56.52 | f00f- | :/ |
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| 02:57.41 | yakischloba | a bunch of people happened to join the local club at the same time I did, so they held a weekly class for a month or two for us all |
| 02:57.46 | trigatch4 | anyone know exactly where i can find Icon Images in the SDK or elsewhere? Such as... Dialer Icon, Maps Icon, Email Icon, etc... as seen on the G1? |
| 02:57.55 | f00f- | cool, i never had a club to go to |
| 02:58.06 | yakischloba | ah man, that was 90% of the fun |
| 02:58.22 | f00f- | yakischloba: makes sense, i only got 10% of the joy |
| 02:58.27 | f00f- | it pretty much sucked |
| 02:58.35 | f00f- | i talked to one ham on accident |
| 02:58.38 | f00f- | i was trying to use his repeater |
| 02:58.39 | f00f- | and he came on |
| 02:58.50 | f00f- | and said "your signal is too weak, try another repeater" |
| 02:59.03 | yakischloba | heh. When you join up with a club there are always projects to do, we worked with the local fire and police departments on their systems etc |
| 02:59.49 | f00f- | trigatch4: <sdk>\tools\lib\res\default\drawable |
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| 03:00.40 | After_Math | can anyone tell me how I can ssh into my computer form outside the lan? |
| 03:00.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | After_Math: by IP |
| 03:01.01 | yakischloba | is this #networking_for_dummies or something? |
| 03:01.06 | yakischloba | ;) |
| 03:01.08 | michaelnovakjr_ | After_Math: and not really an android question |
| 03:01.12 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 03:01.28 | w0rm5 | aff |
| 03:01.43 | gambler | hey what IP address do you guys get. Is the G1 on IPv6? |
| 03:01.50 | yakischloba | gambler: no |
| 03:02.09 | unix_infidel | anyone seen plusminus |
| 03:02.12 | gambler | figured as much |
| 03:02.26 | michaelnovakjr_ | gambler: wifi gets an IP |
| 03:02.27 | After_Math | michaelnovakjr, ya I know but Im using connectbot, just using my outside ip and opening the port on the router? |
| 03:02.43 | michaelnovakjr_ | you need to route to your machine port 22 |
| 03:02.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | and use your outside ip address |
| 03:02.53 | yakischloba | "port forwarding" |
| 03:02.53 | After_Math | ya I think I did tht |
| 03:02.56 | trigatch4 | foof: thanks a billion! |
| 03:03.39 | unix_infidel | his screencasts arent working... |
| 03:03.39 | michaelnovakjr_ | yakischloba: yea "port forwarding" |
| 03:03.39 | Dougie187 | SPLAT |
| 03:03.39 | After_Math | doesnt seem to connect, Under the firewall settings i set it open to my comp |
| 03:03.39 | trigatch4 | OUCH |
| 03:04.26 | gambler | so what transport is eg. google mail running over? |
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| 03:04.36 | gambler | (if you are only getting an IP address on WIFI?) |
| 03:04.36 | yakischloba | gambler: 3g uses IP as well. |
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| 03:05.23 | SamSerious_ | nice netsplit |
| 03:05.23 | gambler | so can I ping your phone? |
| 03:05.23 | yakischloba | no. |
| 03:05.24 | SamSerious_ | OK Im i here?? |
| 03:05.34 | Disconnect | kinda |
| 03:07.43 | languish | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:07.53 | languish | :| |
| 03:07.56 | michaelnovakjr_ | does the market have a website? |
| 03:08.07 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr_: a demo web site. |
| 03:08.13 | Dougie187 | www.android.com/market iirc |
| 03:08.24 | michaelnovakjr_ | Dougie187: thanks |
| 03:08.26 | Dougie187 | np |
| 03:10.14 | languish | so far, I really love the screen mechanism |
| 03:10.26 | languish | for sliding it out.. |
| 03:10.51 | languish | I drive everyone nuts sitting around snapping it open/closed repeatedly |
| 03:11.25 | unix_infidel | are there any more high quality video tutorials up? |
| 03:11.49 | languish | ahh fuck |
| 03:11.53 | languish | my g1 died again |
| 03:11.55 | languish | wtf |
| 03:11.57 | unix_infidel | i should say screencasts, video presentations / tutorials are hard to present / have people play along with. |
| 03:13.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | languish: its all that sliding out and snapping it shut :) |
| 03:13.23 | languish | michaelnovakjr, yeah.. wasn;t doing it this time |
| 03:13.26 | languish | *sigh* |
| 03:14.38 | languish | ok yeah, it's really dead, charging light doesn't go on when I plug it in |
| 03:14.41 | languish | *sigh* |
| 03:14.46 | languish | f'ing htc |
| 03:15.01 | languish | time to try removing the battery again |
| 03:16.13 | wastrel | quit hacking it |
| 03:16.16 | languish | that did it |
| 03:16.16 | wastrel | then it won't break |
| 03:16.18 | languish | grrr |
| 03:16.22 | unix_infidel | anyone on screencasts? |
| 03:16.49 | languish | wastrel, i'm just a lowly gadget geek, no hacking involved |
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| 03:19.23 | jasta | umdk: how do i hit alt+number in connectbot? |
| 03:19.25 | languish | Does the G1 have some type of shock protection? Shuts down when it detects too much momentum or something? |
| 03:19.50 | jasta | languish: there are no moving parts to stop |
| 03:19.57 | yakischloba | Why would it do that? Does it have moving parts to protect?... |
| 03:20.06 | languish | jasta, i know. |
| 03:20.11 | Dougie187 | yakischloba: a sensitive compass. :) |
| 03:20.30 | yakischloba | Dougie187: can it be 'parked' ? |
| 03:20.33 | languish | jasta, i'm just wondering if the accelerometer is used in that manner |
| 03:20.44 | Dougie187 | yakischloba: hell yeah. don't you like parking compasses. |
| 03:20.55 | jasta | no because that would be pointless |
| 03:20.56 | gambler | it sends a VOID_WARRANTY message off to google.com |
| 03:21.02 | languish | fuck |
| 03:21.06 | languish | it just did it again |
| 03:21.09 | yakischloba | HAHAHA gambler |
| 03:21.10 | yakischloba | perfect |
| 03:21.14 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 03:21.16 | languish | ok I do have to rma this |
| 03:21.21 | gambler | :p |
| 03:21.23 | f00f- | sux bro, what did you do |
| 03:21.25 | umdk1d3 | jasta: you type /window 8 :P |
| 03:21.28 | yakischloba | Dougie187: I haven't actually seen the compass in use yet |
| 03:21.29 | umdk1d3 | in irssi at least |
| 03:21.31 | umdk1d3 | not fixed yet |
| 03:21.32 | jasta | lol |
| 03:21.34 | languish | f00f-, just opening/closing the screen |
| 03:21.34 | yakischloba | Dougie187: is it only in streetview or something? |
| 03:21.41 | wastrel | /win 8 works :] |
| 03:21.47 | umdk1d3 | also, jasta did you figure out that signature issue with manifest cruft hanging around? |
| 03:21.51 | umdk1d3 | on your device |
| 03:21.53 | Dougie187 | yakischloba: me either. I have no idea, but thats all i ever saw it used for, and it looked completely useless to me. |
| 03:21.57 | jasta | umdk1d3: support menu shortcuts to custom commands... |
| 03:22.14 | jasta | umdk1d3: no i was told to factory reset |
| 03:22.24 | yakischloba | Dougie187: hmm. Man, I haven't found any streetviews around me yet, somehow. I live in a pretty major area and I've tried on main roads and haven't gotten anything |
| 03:22.41 | Dougie187 | you have to stand somewhere. |
| 03:22.42 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 03:22.44 | umdk1d3 | ouch :/ |
| 03:22.44 | Dougie187 | in the street. |
| 03:22.50 | yakischloba | yeah |
| 03:22.52 | yakischloba | and look around |
| 03:23.03 | Dougie187 | and look at a building. then you point your phone at the building.. and see the building on your phone.. incase you can't see it with your eyes. |
| 03:23.10 | jasta | yakischloba: no street view in seatown |
| 03:23.22 | yakischloba | jasta: no wonder. |
| 03:23.40 | Dougie187 | Go down I5 a ways. |
| 03:23.44 | Dougie187 | youll get some eventually |
| 03:23.52 | yakischloba | heh |
| 03:23.53 | Dougie187 | Down by Toledo it starts. |
| 03:23.56 | yakischloba | like 500 miles? |
| 03:23.58 | yakischloba | oh |
| 03:24.02 | wastrel | we have it in nyc |
| 03:24.13 | Dougie187 | if its worth it to you. |
| 03:24.25 | yakischloba | I could care less other than for the novelty |
| 03:24.28 | yakischloba | I know what the damn street looks like |
| 03:24.45 | Dougie187 | yeah i know. |
| 03:24.46 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 03:24.55 | Dougie187 | thats why i always thought it was useless. |
| 03:24.58 | languish | calling 611 |
| 03:25.01 | languish | *sigh* |
| 03:25.17 | Dougie187 | i bet that makes languish a sad panda. |
| 03:25.28 | yakischloba | I wouldn't mind being able to see the compass in Maps though, for the occasional situation where I've lost my sense of direction on a faraway bike ride or something |
| 03:26.12 | Dougie187 | yeah that would be pretty sweet. |
| 03:26.23 | yakischloba | wonder why it isn't like that already?.. |
| 03:27.06 | illuminum | if street view offerred some sort of accessibility--visual bralle |
| 03:27.22 | yakischloba | eh true |
| 03:27.42 | illuminum | or maybe if the image on the phone (street view) was littered with user-supplied tags |
| 03:27.55 | illuminum | like "don't go here, crackhouse, brothel" |
| 03:28.05 | illuminum | that would be useful |
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| 03:28.58 | Dougie187 | eh... |
| 03:29.04 | Dougie187 | people are going to litter it with too many tags. |
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| 03:29.10 | Dougie187 | isnt that what stupid enkin was about? |
| 03:29.19 | illuminum | no i doubt it, there are a lot of places to tag |
| 03:29.20 | yakischloba | yeah. you wouldn't be able to see the building after a few days. |
| 03:29.31 | ivan | crackhouses and brothels? |
| 03:29.31 | illuminum | and you could always filter it |
| 03:29.32 | Dougie187 | yeah you are going to just see 8 billion tags. |
| 03:29.33 | ivan | awesome |
| 03:29.33 | wastrel | i'm sleepy |
| 03:29.36 | illuminum | 30 most recent or whatever |
| 03:29.51 | illuminum | i'm saying it could be a rich experience if you wanted it to be |
| 03:29.54 | Dougie187 | possibly if its implemented like that, but that wouldn't be the first thing anyone goes for. |
| 03:30.40 | Dougie187 | im just saying it could also be a completely useless experience. |
| 03:30.56 | Dougie187 | it could only be useful if it was implemented correctly. |
| 03:32.21 | illuminum | yeh suppsoe like i said before i'm not so interested in any of these apps so much as i am having a terminal and a shell and root |
| 03:32.33 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 03:32.38 | Dougie187 | i think thats how most people feel. |
| 03:32.48 | yakischloba | what is everyone so hung up on root for |
| 03:32.55 | illuminum | what the hell do you think for |
| 03:33.07 | illuminum | not having root is almost as bad as running on windows or mac |
| 03:33.23 | yakischloba | why don't you go buy some cheapo SBC and run linux on it if you just want to dick around as root |
| 03:33.25 | yakischloba | oh |
| 03:33.29 | yakischloba | you're one of those guys |
| 03:33.33 | yakischloba | forget I asked |
| 03:33.37 | illuminum | okay i will |
| 03:33.45 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 03:34.40 | Dougie187 | so whats your favorite part of the phone yakischloba? |
| 03:35.13 | romainguy | Dougie187: i think thats how most people feel. << you have a very weird definition of "most" :) |
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| 03:35.57 | yakischloba | shit I duno man. I've just been enjoying the novelty of it really, since I haven't had much exposure to the iPhone or anything. From a technical standpoint, I've just poked around in the shell a bit. I scrapped the code for my project a while back and started over, but dropped off quickly, so I didn't really have anything ready to play with on the device like a lot of the guys |
| 03:35.58 | illuminum | what is this attitude against having root--i thought android was about openness, not closed systems |
| 03:36.25 | yakischloba | illuminum: android is open, the phone is not. you can build android and run it on your on phone that you build if it pleases you to do so. |
| 03:36.47 | Dougie187 | romainguy: true.... i just see it sometimes. possibly not most.. just some. |
| 03:37.07 | yakischloba | illuminum: the licenses are in place so that companies can take the product and lock it down and sell it. The whole project may not have been possible without that provision |
| 03:37.20 | romainguy | Dougie187: considering the people I've seen (and met) buy the phone in stores, I would even dare say that a very very tiny minority cares about root |
| 03:37.39 | fadden0 | ...or even know what "root" means |
| 03:37.41 | romainguy | that said I understand why you would want that |
| 03:37.46 | Dougie187 | romainguy: depends on what demographic of users you are talking about though... |
| 03:37.49 | illuminum | what they can't sell their telecom service if someone has access to their phone internals? |
| 03:37.50 | romainguy | fadden0: I didn't dare say it |
| 03:37.58 | romainguy | Dougie187: like I said, the users who buy the phone in stores |
| 03:38.01 | romainguy | you know, consumers |
| 03:38.14 | Dougie187 | romainguy: i don't care about having it, becuase i don't even have a phone, but yeah. normal customers don't even have any idea what it is. |
| 03:38.18 | romainguy | I for one couldn't care less about being root on my phone |
| 03:38.20 | yakischloba | illuminum: who knows, ask them. You don't have to buy it and feel like you're being oppressed if you don't want to. |
| 03:38.26 | Dougie187 | romainguy: i guess what i say most, i am limited my demographic to devs. |
| 03:38.28 | illuminum | i already bought it |
| 03:38.32 | Dougie187 | limiting* |
| 03:38.38 | romainguy | I almost feel like some want root just for the sake of being root |
| 03:38.41 | fadden0 | I used to be root on my TiVo. When they built networking into the box and added an eSata connector on the back I stopped caring. |
| 03:38.42 | yakischloba | illuminum: did someone promise that you could have root on it? |
| 03:38.46 | yakischloba | romainguy: you don't say |
| 03:38.48 | Dougie187 | romainguy: yeah, its the novelty. |
| 03:38.59 | romainguy | because, seriously, it's just a phone :) |
| 03:39.11 | illuminum | i sold my iphone which i had root on, and metasploit and vim, thinking i was coming back to my friend linux |
| 03:39.23 | parmaster | hahahahah |
| 03:39.23 | illuminum | oh well i'll stop whining because it's only a matter of time |
| 03:39.26 | parmaster | bahahahhhaha |
| 03:39.26 | yakischloba | illuminum: I'll take that as a "no" |
| 03:39.37 | Dougie187 | what do you even need root for though? |
| 03:40.04 | gambler | hrrmmm installing a new OS? |
| 03:40.13 | gambler | I guess Im the only pro-root person here |
| 03:40.18 | romainguy | next time we should make T-Mobile release a phone that comes with a shell and X11 |
| 03:40.19 | romainguy | oh wait |
| 03:40.19 | fadden0 | What, you want to install WinMo on the G1? |
| 03:40.23 | romainguy | that's OpenMoko ^^ |
| 03:40.28 | yakischloba | Dougie187: "#" <--- thats about it |
| 03:40.45 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 03:40.54 | gambler | In my case, I cant screw around with the bluetooth stuff. thats a concern for me. |
| 03:41.15 | gambler | <-- pro tinker |
| 03:41.20 | djo_ | Hi, sorry to break in; ;-) I'm developing on Fedora 8, have a T-Mobile G1 and am having trouble getting my device connected. I've followed the directions under "Developing on Device Hardware" on Google's web site and no matter what I put in /etc/udev/rules.d, `adb devices` doesn't find my phone. Thoughts? |
| 03:41.29 | illuminum | so i can put my own package management system on it, run services, etc and yeah how are you supposed to kernel hack and develop drivers and such if you're into that if you can't get inside the phone |
| 03:41.36 | yakischloba | ah, haven't I heard something about developer hardware being under consideration? |
| 03:41.51 | gambler | pro tinkering I should say |
| 03:42.06 | fadden0 | Driver development? |
| 03:42.09 | romainguy | illuminum: well there are tons of stuff you can do without writing kernel hacks |
| 03:42.13 | illuminum | djo, mount -o iocharset=utf8 /dev/sdXn /mnt/foo |
| 03:42.21 | fadden0 | Are there devices in the G1 for which drivers are not provided...? |
| 03:42.30 | romainguy | illuminum: why not just write apps to begin with? |
| 03:42.45 | romainguy | fadden0: it's Linux based, so you never know what could be missing :)) |
| 03:42.45 | fadden0 | bluetooth runs as a non-root daemon. |
| 03:42.49 | illuminum | whatevs i won't settle for anything less than full control--i'm sure it'll come, if it came to the iphone it's inevitable for this platform |
| 03:42.50 | romainguy | (sorry :) |
| 03:43.03 | fadden0 | illuminum: very likely |
| 03:43.14 | yakischloba | illuminum: it is also my understand that a large part of the security architecture of the whole platform s dependent on it being locked down. I doubt they would cast that aside so you can have 'full control' |
| 03:43.21 | djo_ | illuminum: hmmm; actually FUSE is doing that sort of thing for me right now. Maybe that's the problem? |
| 03:43.42 | djo_ | Let me umount the drive and see if adb finds my device... |
| 03:44.10 | gambler | http://laforge.gnumonks.org/weblog/ |
| 03:44.18 | illuminum | right yaki, i accept that it comes with a certain amount of locks |
| 03:44.37 | yakischloba | illuminum: I think OpenMoko would have been better suited to your desires |
| 03:44.38 | illuminum | and ultimately i'm not sore as long as some niche community of hackers breaks through and opens it |
| 03:45.00 | fadden0 | illuminum: the easier path would be to install Android on an unlocked device |
| 03:45.11 | yakischloba | unless of course, you're just the guy that wants to have a linux phone with root, rather than actually doing serious development on it. |
| 03:45.11 | fadden0 | Given the number of complaints I hear about the G1 form factor, I'm surprised that isn't the focus. |
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| 03:46.01 | djo_ | illuminum: OK; I can mount the device as a disk fine. What I can't do is remotely control it from the debugger. Thanks, but any other thoughts? |
| 03:46.05 | Dougie187 | fadden0: the G1 is hardly the focus of this room.. |
| 03:46.21 | Dougie187 | fadden0: if it were, it would probably be called #G1 |
| 03:46.34 | illuminum | no idea |
| 03:46.41 | languish | t-mobiles answer to the g1 dying randomly "keep it for a few more days to see if it keeps happening and we'll call you back to see if you've had further problems" |
| 03:46.46 | languish | *sigh* |
| 03:46.52 | yakischloba | heh |
| 03:46.52 | languish | the rep himself is decent |
| 03:46.57 | illuminum | languish it stops dying |
| 03:47.01 | yakischloba | I'd take it back to the store and demand an exchange. |
| 03:47.05 | illuminum | languish mine did that too for a couple days |
| 03:47.07 | illuminum | then it stopped |
| 03:47.10 | illuminum | i think its a battery issue |
| 03:47.14 | illuminum | that resolves itself |
| 03:47.18 | yakischloba | how assuring |
| 03:47.22 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 03:47.26 | tparkin | at least the battery wont explode like some unmentioned companies.. |
| 03:47.26 | Dougie187 | i would take it back too... |
| 03:47.27 | languish | illuminum I think the battery in mine shakes a little loose |
| 03:47.28 | Dougie187 | but thats me. |
| 03:47.31 | illuminum | batteries are probably too fresh |
| 03:47.37 | illuminum | thats what i thought languish |
| 03:47.43 | illuminum | but trust me it stops after about two days |
| 03:47.50 | yakischloba | yeah they need to ripen like bananas |
| 03:47.57 | illuminum | yeah they do |
| 03:47.59 | languish | it's been 4 days :| |
| 03:48.01 | illuminum | evidently |
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| 03:48.04 | languish | lol |
| 03:48.06 | illuminum | sook |
| 03:48.06 | waldo_ | is away: gym. back in an hour and that's when sshkey is working, right? |
| 03:48.29 | illuminum | languish |
| 03:48.32 | djo_ | Thanks illuminum, anyone else have any ideas? |
| 03:48.36 | languish | .. |
| 03:48.39 | illuminum | turn off the auto screen turn off feature |
| 03:48.52 | languish | illuminum, that's what I said.. the rep told me not too |
| 03:48.52 | fadden0 | djo_: does "lsusb" find the device? |
| 03:48.53 | illuminum | that mightve been the point at which mine stopped turning off |
| 03:48.53 | languish | lol |
| 03:48.53 | illuminum | dunno |
| 03:49.15 | languish | the rep suspects the battery too |
| 03:49.20 | illuminum | well it was definately correlated with when my phone stopped borking |
| 03:49.39 | languish | he doesn't want the display timeout disabled |
| 03:49.44 | languish | so it doesn't stress the battery |
| 03:49.48 | illuminum | disable it and ignore him |
| 03:49.51 | languish | lol |
| 03:50.08 | illuminum | i would see if i could drain it all the way through |
| 03:50.12 | illuminum | then recharge it |
| 03:50.14 | illuminum | see what happens |
| 03:53.13 | djo_ | fadden0: It's found as 0bb4:0c02 High Tech Computer Corp. |
| 03:53.49 | tweakt | So how can I get the source of android.jar now that everything is published? Is it somewhere in Git? I couldn't locate it yet after browsing a bit... |
| 03:53.58 | romainguy | tweakt: it's in git |
| 03:54.09 | illuminum | thats vague, wheres the repo |
| 03:54.13 | illuminum | does google code do git |
| 03:54.18 | romainguy | it's basically http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/frameworks/base.git;a=summary |
| 03:54.22 | romainguy | and http://git.source.android.com/?p=platform/frameworks/opt/com.google.android.git;a=summary |
| 03:54.29 | romainguy | illuminum: no |
| 03:54.32 | tweakt | Ahh, thank you |
| 03:54.41 | romainguy | tweakt: what are you looking for? |
| 03:55.21 | fadden0 | djo_: so the computer can see it, but somehow adb isn't talking |
| 03:55.25 | tweakt | source of android.jar ;-) java docs are vague in some areas. I tend to learn APIs quicker when I can confirm my understanding by looking at the source |
| 03:55.38 | romainguy | good luck :) |
| 03:55.44 | djo_ | fadden0: yep |
| 03:56.02 | fadden0 | You have "enable usb debugging" set on the phone, right? |
| 03:56.03 | djo_ | I've been mounting/unmounting it since I got in on Wed to load pics/music, etc. |
| 03:56.06 | languish | illuminum, yeah.. the rep's calling me back in a few days. They're basically hoping the problem will just go away |
| 03:56.22 | languish | if not, then they'll "do something" |
| 03:56.26 | djo_ | "enable usb debugging" - triple-checking... |
| 03:56.45 | illuminum | i didn't know it wsan't an isolated problem in my case but judging from my isolated experience it seems that the problem does indeed go away for many at least |
| 03:56.54 | tweakt | 27MB.. yeow |
| 03:56.55 | djo_ | usb debugging on == true |
| 03:57.01 | illuminum | false |
| 03:57.11 | romainguy | tweakt: the repository? |
| 03:57.29 | fadden0 | djo_: only other thing I can think of is disconnect the device, kill any running "adb" processes, reconnect it, and try "adb devices" again |
| 03:57.29 | tweakt | I got base-HEAD.tgz I think that's what I wanted |
| 03:57.35 | tweakt | not 100% sure |
| 03:57.36 | djo_ | mhm; maybe reboot the phone and see if that fixes it? More likely Fedora needs a different udev file... |
| 03:58.06 | tweakt | Ok, looks like: base/core/android |
| 03:58.10 | fadden0 | djo_: also run "dmesg" and see if anything is freaking out in there |
| 03:58.30 | fadden0 | But yes, it's possible that the udev file has a different format. |
| 03:58.40 | yakischloba | what kind of driver does it use for the USB connectivity anyway? |
| 03:58.49 | fadden0 | It sounded like some people had success without the udev file when they ran "adb" as root, but I'm not sure about that. |
| 03:59.19 | waldo_ | is away: auto-away |
| 03:59.20 | fadden0 | yakischloba: it doesn't need a driver; Linux just needs something to help it set up the /dev entry |
| 03:59.20 | djo_ | fadden0: dmsg output looks normal. It finds the device, then finds the file system on the flash card... |
| 04:00.15 | djo_ | ...then FUSE automounts the file system normally. |
| 04:00.34 | Dougie187 | im out guys. |
| 04:00.35 | Dougie187 | see ya later. |
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| 04:00.51 | fadden0 | djo_: not sure where to go from here. You can see the device numbers in the "lsusb" output, so if it needs some other magic in the udev rules you'll need to puzzle that out (possibly by looking at other stuff in that directory) |
| 04:01.08 | illuminum | if you had root you could see whats happening in the phone |
| 04:01.17 | fadden0 | I believe it changed with the Hardy release of Ubuntu vs. older ubuntu |
| 04:01.24 | fadden0 | illuminum: no, you couldn't |
| 04:01.30 | fadden0 | because he can't *get* to the phone |
| 04:01.31 | illuminum | lies |
| 04:01.47 | fadden0 | You have to connect in first. |
| 04:02.03 | illuminum | if you had root you could put up an ssh daemon |
| 04:02.04 | fadden0 | He could run the "term" app and run "dmesg" on the phone, but I'm not sure that'll tell him anything. |
| 04:02.08 | illuminum | and ssh into the phone |
| 04:02.18 | fadden0 | illuminum: you can do that without root |
| 04:02.23 | illuminum | :o |
| 04:02.24 | fadden0 | Just use a port other than 22. |
| 04:02.25 | illuminum | rrry |
| 04:02.25 | yakischloba | rofl |
| 04:02.26 | illuminum | how |
| 04:02.33 | yakischloba | > 1024 |
| 04:02.43 | romainguy | things are getting clearer :) |
| 04:02.45 | fadden0 | yakischloba: yes |
| 04:02.46 | illuminum | :o |
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| 04:02.59 | MrSoReady | Hello |
| 04:02.59 | djo_ | Before I RTFM, anyone know what `SUBSYSTEM=="usb", SYSFS{idVendor}=="0bb4", MODE="0666"` does in a udev rules file? |
| 04:03.17 | MrSoReady | Question: am I able to modify android source and upload it to my G1? |
| 04:03.17 | yakischloba | I thought you were a Linux fanatic or something. That's pretty common knowledge |
| 04:03.28 | romainguy | MrSoReady: yes and no |
| 04:03.39 | djo_ | It's creating some device file, mode 0666, but what device name? |
| 04:03.39 | fadden0 | djo_: are you in group "plugdev" ? |
| 04:03.39 | romainguy | MrSoReady: at least not with the G1 sold in T-Mobile stores |
| 04:03.46 | MrSoReady | oh ok |
| 04:03.56 | MrSoReady | Where do you get one that you can modify the source |
| 04:04.03 | djo_ | fadden0: Nope |
| 04:04.11 | romainguy | MrSoReady: you don't for now; but you can test on the emulator and contribute your patches back |
| 04:04.21 | MrSoReady | ok |
| 04:04.39 | fadden0 | djo_: I think you need to be. Alternatively, become root, kill adb, and run "adb devices" -- should allow access then. |
| 04:04.45 | fadden0 | (maybe *that's* what running it as root meant) |
| 04:04.53 | yakischloba | fadden0: negative. |
| 04:04.56 | MrSoReady | Romain if I wanted to write my own Dialer, does the App SDK provide that capability or is that too low level? |
| 04:05.41 | romainguy | MrSoReady: lemme check |
| 04:06.27 | romainguy | MrSoReady: yes you can; you cannot, however, start emergency calls, you will have to invoke the system dialer for this |
| 04:06.43 | djo_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:06.43 | djo_ | finds nothing. |
| 04:06.54 | fadden0 | Hrm. |
| 04:07.08 | djo_ | I'll try becoming root; good idea. |
| 04:07.08 | yakischloba | romainguy: that would be 'dangerous' according to some. Is replacing the Dialer allowed, then? |
| 04:07.27 | romainguy | yakischloba: you can write another dialer |
| 04:07.35 | romainguy | it won't replace it in the firmware |
| 04:07.36 | yakischloba | romainguy: ah, but not replace the existing one. gotcha |
| 04:07.38 | romainguy | but you can have another dialer |
| 04:07.44 | romainguy | in practice you replace it yes |
| 04:07.49 | fadden0 | Interesting... the online instructions don't have the ', GROUP="plugdev"' part. Not sure what the default is. |
| 04:07.50 | romainguy | just like you "replace" Home |
| 04:07.53 | encontrafk | Can I write a dialer that sends out tones that T-mobile's voice-mail system can understand? |
| 04:08.00 | romainguy | yes |
| 04:08.01 | yakischloba | yeah. |
| 04:08.05 | MrSoReady | interesting. I was looking at the android SDK optional apis and none of them seem related to a Dialer |
| 04:08.07 | fadden0 | Might be an ubuntu thing. |
| 04:08.07 | romainguy | you can already do so with the current dialer actually |
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| 04:08.23 | romainguy | (for isntance a comma in a number will be interpreted as a pause) |
| 04:08.49 | romainguy | MrSoReady: a dialer is just a matter of sending a CALL intent and/or showing the list of Contacts |
| 04:08.55 | encontrafk | The voice-mail thing... it, well, it disappoints me. |
| 04:09.08 | MrSoReady | I use youmail.com and it is kinda cool |
| 04:09.09 | romainguy | encontrafk: well it's a standard voice mail :) |
| 04:09.12 | unix_infidel | encontrafk: no visual voicemail? |
| 04:09.32 | encontrafk | If there's visual, I haven't found it yet. |
| 04:09.34 | MrSoReady | yeah Google didn't take it as far as they could have with the G1 |
| 04:09.41 | romainguy | there's no visual voicemail |
| 04:09.50 | fadden0 | djo_: look in /dev/bus/usb -- use the bus and device number from lsusb |
| 04:10.04 | djo_ | Running as root doesn't find it. |
| 04:10.07 | unix_infidel | MrSoReady: obviously. but most first iterations don't. otherwise they'd never get to the first iteration. |
| 04:10.08 | encontrafk | but even if there's visual, why can't I press 7 to delete message, while I'm listening to voicemail? |
| 04:10.11 | romainguy | MrSoReady: hey, the G1 is not Google's phone, we just work on the Adnroid platform |
| 04:10.17 | djo_ | Checking /dev/bus/usb... |
| 04:10.19 | romainguy | encontrafk: er... yes you can |
| 04:10.31 | encontrafk | romainguy, no, I'm afraid I can't. |
| 04:10.34 | romainguy | yes you can |
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| 04:10.39 | encontrafk | Er, no. |
| 04:10.41 | romainguy | ... |
| 04:10.49 | romainguy | just click the number 7 on the dialpad? |
| 04:10.50 | encontrafk | I can press 7 all I like, and T-mobile just ignores it. |
| 04:10.58 | romainguy | I just used it today |
| 04:11.02 | romainguy | on T-Mobile voicemail |
| 04:11.14 | romainguy | seems like you have an issue with your phone/account |
| 04:11.17 | encontrafk | yes, press 7 on the touch-screen dialer |
| 04:11.25 | encontrafk | voicemail acts like it didn't hear it |
| 04:11.27 | yakischloba | encontrafk: are you trying to say that voicemail is inoperable from the G1 or something? |
| 04:11.40 | yakischloba | encontrafk: you don't think someone else would have noticed this by now?.. |
| 04:11.51 | romainguy | encontrafk: contact T-Mobile, there might be an issue with your unit or your account |
| 04:11.53 | encontrafk | yakischloba, no, I can access voicemail |
| 04:11.54 | tparkin | yakischloba: i think hes just experiencing the problem |
| 04:12.01 | tparkin | encontrafk: do a hard reboot? |
| 04:12.03 | encontrafk | dial in, hear the message |
| 04:12.15 | encontrafk | I just can't give it any input |
| 04:12.56 | djo_ | fadden0: /dev/bus/usb doesn't exist. Instead, I have a slew of /dev/usbdevx.y[_ep00] device files... |
| 04:12.59 | romainguy | contact T-Mobile encontrafk |
| 04:12.59 | encontrafk | If "hard reboot" means turn off the device, remove the battery for over 30 seconds, then fire it up again, then yes, I've done that. |
| 04:13.27 | tparkin | I would call tmo then |
| 04:14.26 | encontrafk | have you ever called their customer service line? |
| 04:14.41 | yakischloba | encontrafk: yes |
| 04:14.49 | fadden0 | djo_: at this point I'm staring at the adb sources (system/core/adb) |
| 04:15.11 | encontrafk | OK, what's the first thing you have to do, after you dial the number and something on the other end picks up? |
| 04:15.28 | fadden0 | djo_: the confusing part is that it has both host and device all mixed together |
| 04:15.30 | yakischloba | heh I get it. Looks like you'd need to use another phone then :( |
| 04:15.39 | encontrafk | aye |
| 04:15.45 | fadden0 | usb_linux.c seems to want /dev/bus/usb |
| 04:15.45 | romainguy | encontrafk: go to a T-Mobile store |
| 04:15.52 | romainguy | or call from another line |
| 04:15.55 | MrSoReady | How difficult would it be to write an App to sync with Picasa |
| 04:15.59 | fadden0 | djo_: what kernel do you have? |
| 04:15.59 | encontrafk | I'll do better than that, I think |
| 04:16.01 | romainguy | MrSoReady: not difficult |
| 04:16.08 | landslide | how do I get the android stack (not the SDK) to compile out the emulator? |
| 04:16.13 | tparkin | encontrafk: you said your problem is with 7, if so you can stlil call support |
| 04:16.17 | MrSoReady | this is really exciting! |
| 04:16.22 | encontrafk | I have a friend who has a friend in their corporate offices |
| 04:16.23 | tparkin | encontrafk: is it with ALL numbers? then specifiy |
| 04:16.28 | djo_ | fadden0: 2.6.21.7-5.fc8xen |
| 04:16.35 | encontrafk | I'll just "stovepipe" the complaint, I think |
| 04:16.40 | fadden0 | djo_: I'm on 2.6.22, so we're not far off |
| 04:16.50 | fadden0 | djo_: I also have /dev/usbblah |
| 04:16.52 | unix_infidel | MrSoReady: the hard part is replicating viable features for picasa within a mobile framework within the limitations of a mobile framework and it's inherent environment :-P |
| 04:16.56 | fadden0 | do you have /dev/bus at all? |
| 04:17.01 | encontrafk | tparkin, it's not just 7 |
| 04:17.11 | encontrafk | it's like the tones just aren't getting sent |
| 04:17.19 | djo_ | fadden0: no /dev/bus at all. |
| 04:17.22 | tparkin | encontrafk: their system should timeout and send you to operator |
| 04:17.29 | encontrafk | "should" |
| 04:17.30 | fadden0 | djo_: how about /proc/bus/usb ? |
| 04:17.34 | tparkin | encontrafk: try? |
| 04:17.38 | encontrafk | did. |
| 04:18.19 | encontrafk | like I said, though, I'll just put a bug in the ear of someone at corporate |
| 04:18.20 | djo_ | fadden0: I have /sys/bus/usb/devices/... |
| 04:18.30 | MrSoReady | whatever that means unix_infidel |
| 04:18.44 | fadden0 | djo_: yeah, I have that too |
| 04:19.11 | unix_infidel | MrSoReady: yea. true dat foo. |
| 04:19.55 | fadden0 | djo_: unfortunately we've reached (and possibly surpassed) the depth of my USB knowledge |
| 04:20.17 | fadden0 | In particular, I don't know why /proc/bus/usb would be present or absent |
| 04:20.38 | romainguy | ask swetland :) |
| 04:20.57 | djo_ | fadden0: I *do* have /proc/bus/usb, but not /dev/bus/usb... |
| 04:20.57 | fadden0 | romainguy: yeah |
| 04:21.08 | fadden0 | djo_: sorry, I meant /dev/bus/usb |
| 04:21.25 | fadden0 | If you look in system/core/adb/usb_linux.c, you can see it searching through that directory |
| 04:22.22 | djo_ | fadden0: it probably couldn't hurt to try a symlink from /sys/bus to /dev/bus...? |
| 04:23.00 | fadden0 | % ls -l /dev/bus/usb/001/022 |
| 04:23.01 | fadden0 | crw-rw-r-- 1 root plugdev 189, 21 Oct 24 20:42 /dev/bus/usb/001/022 |
| 04:23.02 | illuminum | because it's fedora |
| 04:23.05 | illuminum | and fedora is foobar |
| 04:23.25 | fadden0 | I don't have anything in /proc/bus/usb -- the directory exists but is empty |
| 04:23.48 | djo_ | illuminum: Point taken. :-) |
| 04:24.34 | fadden0 | I'm guessing adb needs a tweak to make it look somewhere else, or something magic needs to happen with the udev file. |
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| 04:26.22 | fadden0 | I have to sign off for now. Back eventually. :-) |
| 04:26.27 | djo_ | fadden0: Probably. |
| 04:26.30 | djo_ | Thanks |
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| 04:38.41 | waldo_ | is back (gone 00:39:23) |
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| 04:43.06 | landslide | how do I get the android stack (not the SDK) to compile out the emulator? |
| 04:44.01 | f00f- | make |
| 04:48.41 | waldo_ | is away: auto-away |
| 04:49.40 | landslide | so is the generic target for the emulator? |
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| 04:51.59 | BruteSource | okay my friend patched our kernel for excalibur and got the userspace to init but all we get is a flashing green man? any ideas? |
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| 04:55.29 | landslide | wow i got it working... 'out/host/linux-x86/bin/emulator -system out/target/product/generic -kernel prebuilt/android-arm/kernel/kernel-qemu' |
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| 04:57.09 | BruteSource | on an emulator? |
| 04:59.09 | landslide | yeah. |
| 04:59.37 | landslide | i thought i required another build other than generic. |
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| 05:01.24 | BruteSource | what arch type? |
| 05:01.33 | landslide | arm |
| 05:01.51 | BruteSource | really? |
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| 05:01.59 | landslide | i think so. |
| 05:02.20 | landslide | i found a doc in build/core/build-systemhtml |
| 05:02.25 | landslide | but some of the information is out of date. |
| 05:03.24 | landslide | it's using the arm kernel.. so it must be arm right? |
| 05:03.42 | BruteSource | nice, my friend is trying on a excalibur an omap850 phone, he has the kernel pacthed and working, got the userspace to init but the android man just blinks |
| 05:04.00 | f00f- | press escape |
| 05:04.04 | landslide | can't you get some debug out of a serial port or something? |
| 05:04.04 | f00f- | to see what's going on behind the scenes |
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| 05:05.33 | DarkriftX | wow, never thought to hit escape during boot |
| 05:05.45 | DarkriftX | keep forgetting this isnt a standard mobile os |
| 05:06.23 | BruteSource | ya he is using strace |
| 05:07.26 | BruteSource | giving somekind of loop about function not implemented |
| 05:07.37 | BruteSource | very fast hard to read |
| 05:09.45 | languish | What would the proper term be for the device's abruptly turning off uncleanly, and seizing/locking up/not responding to keypresses, charger..etc until the battery is reseated. I don't want to say it's "bricked" because it's recoverable with the reseating of the battery |
| 05:10.07 | landslide | half-bricked? |
| 05:10.19 | landslide | maybe stoned? |
| 05:10.21 | languish | soft-bricked, lol |
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| 05:10.30 | landslide | hehe |
| 05:10.42 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 05:10.43 | BruteSource | no one has seen errors like this? |
| 05:10.56 | landslide | what hardware is it? |
| 05:11.04 | DarkriftX | too much tweaking languish? |
| 05:11.31 | languish | DarkriftX, zero teaking |
| 05:11.42 | DarkriftX | aww, thats no fun |
| 05:11.48 | TreyB | languish: buggy? |
| 05:11.58 | languish | TreyB, undoubtly, lol |
| 05:12.04 | languish | +ed |
| 05:12.06 | DarkriftX | id be tweaking the *#&% out of it :S |
| 05:12.15 | DarkriftX | id prob brick a few before i finally stopped :S |
| 05:12.16 | languish | :) |
| 05:12.35 | landslide | can't u just jtag it? |
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| 05:12.58 | DarkriftX | never read if g1 has jtag connections or not |
| 05:13.05 | BruteSource | its omap 850 |
| 05:13.07 | TreyB | The G1? They didn't leave the jtag port active, did they? |
| 05:13.25 | landslide | do they fuse it or something? |
| 05:13.44 | landslide | they'd have to have it for manufacturing. |
| 05:13.47 | BruteSource | armv6 |
| 05:14.00 | TreyB | Only until they QA test it |
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| 05:14.21 | TreyB | Or QC, probably, but hey. |
| 05:14.40 | waldo_ | is back (gone 00:25:58) |
| 05:14.40 | DarkriftX | i went into the tmob store again |
| 05:14.46 | BruteSource | any ideas i can pastebin the piped strace if anyone will look... |
| 05:14.48 | DarkriftX | ppl everywhere were grabbing the last couple g1's |
| 05:15.04 | certron | Any recs for an android book or really long tutorials? |
| 05:15.24 | DarkriftX | not a single person in there looked like they even knew what they were buying... trend buyers :( |
| 05:15.57 | landslide | hehe. |
| 05:15.58 | BruteSource | lol |
| 05:16.05 | landslide | that's a GOOD sign. |
| 05:16.06 | certron | DarkriftX: maybe they will be pleasantly surprised... although I have to say, I've only seen 2 ads on TV for it. |
| 05:16.22 | DarkriftX | they dont have to advertise it, everyone knows lol |
| 05:16.25 | BruteSource | i cant even buy one unless i do from ebay for like 700 |
| 05:16.26 | TreyB | Some folks just want a non AT&T iPhone-alike. |
| 05:16.36 | DarkriftX | the tmobile store had a huge cardboard sign about them |
| 05:16.39 | BruteSource | which this is not |
| 05:16.42 | DarkriftX | i almost stole it |
| 05:16.47 | DarkriftX | it was a 4ft tall g1 lol |
| 05:17.15 | TreyB | They have 4ft tall iPhones on the Apple campus in Cupertino. |
| 05:17.16 | BruteSource | no it has no multi touch o h capacity built in hdd |
| 05:17.21 | BruteSource | its not an iphone |
| 05:17.25 | BruteSource | and thats good |
| 05:17.37 | TreyB | At least they have 4ft tall monitors dressed up like iPhones. |
| 05:17.48 | landslide | hey it shouldn't have a problem with 800x480 right? |
| 05:17.55 | BruteSource | ya all apple stores have those |
| 05:18.06 | muthu | hey, so the core android project is frameworks/base? |
| 05:18.55 | TreyB | BruteSource: I don't recall seeing them at my local Apple store, but I did see them in Cupertino. |
| 05:19.05 | BruteSource | anyone here know about the actual kernel and userspace or is this like a g1 fanboi room? |
| 05:19.18 | TreyB | Perhap my local Apple store just sucks ;-) |
| 05:19.19 | BruteSource | they have them at the apples stores i have seen |
| 05:19.20 | geist | oh snap |
| 05:19.32 | landslide | the more i look at the platform.. the more I realise that windows ce/windows mobile won't be around for much longer. |
| 05:19.43 | TreyB | Howdy geist. |
| 05:19.48 | landslide | i've been a windows ce guy for a long time, and boy is it a cluster fsck |
| 05:19.50 | geist | it's teh TreyB |
| 05:19.56 | DarkriftX | me too landslide |
| 05:19.58 | TreyB | landslide: I read an article today that said the same thing. |
| 05:20.10 | landslide | ce is designed for calculators. |
| 05:20.11 | TreyB | Cringely at PBS, I think. |
| 05:20.14 | DarkriftX | i was a winmo fanboy till i first installed linux on one of my handhelds |
| 05:20.20 | DarkriftX | and i wanted something more since then |
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| 05:20.33 | landslide | i'm looking at porting this to my companies own hardware. |
| 05:20.33 | DarkriftX | i got debian on a mobilepro 900c :) |
| 05:20.37 | landslide | as a side project. |
| 05:20.50 | invain | wow... It's surprise.. |
| 05:20.56 | TreyB | landslide: can you tell us who you work for and about the hardware? |
| 05:21.14 | BruteSource | msm7201a |
| 05:21.23 | BruteSource | thats all ya need to know lol |
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| 05:21.39 | landslide | i work for touchstar, our uk office makes the hardware... The device i'm looking at porting is the raven. |
| 05:21.42 | landslide | www.touchpc.com |
| 05:21.58 | landslide | i'm out of their sydney office and deal mostly with software for verticals. |
| 05:22.48 | certron | that looks really cool, landslide |
| 05:23.12 | unix_infidel | would a POST be just the dead simplest / easiest way to move data from the phone to a webserver without havint to run a webservice? |
| 05:23.23 | BruteSource | so anyone know whats going wrong or a better way to debug it? |
| 05:23.37 | michaelnovakjr_ | unix_infidel: sure, you could do a REST type interface |
| 05:23.40 | TreyB | Android for that looks like overkill, but it might simplify your life to rely on an open stack. |
| 05:24.08 | landslide | overkill, in what way? |
| 05:24.35 | michaelnovakjr_ | unix_infidel: you should check out axis, its a pretty cool service that can accept query string calls to methods and return a soap envelope |
| 05:25.03 | TreyB | Depends on how fancy (and how many) end-user apps you need per device. |
| 05:25.06 | invain | umm.... |
| 05:25.20 | BruteSource | ? |
| 05:25.23 | romainguy | michaelnovakjr: axis is a big huge for a phone app |
| 05:25.25 | landslide | ah i see what you mean, we have pretty specific applications. |
| 05:25.31 | unix_infidel | michaelnovakjr_: I'd like to avoid a SOAP stack and the associated overhead altogether. |
| 05:25.31 | michaelnovakjr_ | romainguy: not on the phone :) |
| 05:25.40 | TreyB | landslide: yeah, really vertical. |
| 05:25.43 | romainguy | oh sorry then :) |
| 05:25.46 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 05:25.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | its a good server side system |
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| 05:26.15 | michaelnovakjr_ | unix_infidel: you could just call a straight up page then |
| 05:26.47 | unix_infidel | michaelnovakjr_: yea, there are inherent detriments i'm trying to figure out if they matter or not :-P |
| 05:26.48 | michaelnovakjr_ | unix_infidel: really depends on your goals and what data you'll be working with |
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| 05:28.36 | muthu | never rely on notifications.. that's the lesson i've learned so far |
| 05:28.50 | muthu | user's are simply stumped |
| 05:29.07 | muthu | they don't even know they got a notification waiting.. and then click on it to see something |
| 05:29.55 | umdk1d3 | muthu: well |
| 05:30.02 | unix_infidel | michaelnovakjr_: yea, I'm thinking a simple post would work to start off with but I might move to XML RPC if things get out of control. |
| 05:30.07 | umdk1d3 | youve been using them for your search results, right? |
| 05:30.15 | muthu | umdk1d3: yes |
| 05:30.32 | umdk1d3 | thats just... wrong :/ sry dont mean to offend |
| 05:30.45 | umdk1d3 | notifications are meant for background events |
| 05:30.57 | muthu | yep, the search in that context is background |
| 05:30.58 | umdk1d3 | and users arent running those searches in the background |
| 05:31.32 | umdk1d3 | muthu: heres a hint, look at the other apps on the phone and how they handle search results |
| 05:31.44 | umdk1d3 | emulate the user experience provided by the other apps as much as possible |
| 05:31.49 | umdk1d3 | im doing the same thing |
| 05:31.54 | muthu | umdk1d3: i know what you are saying |
| 05:32.01 | muthu | but it depends on context |
| 05:32.04 | umdk1d3 | because that way users wont be confused when they visit your app |
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| 05:32.16 | muthu | the other apps are not doing bulk searching |
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| 05:32.41 | muthu | when you search a single topic, mobeegal does it in foreground just like google search |
| 05:32.54 | muthu | i shoulda made the single topic as the default |
| 05:33.03 | umdk1d3 | also, i found it odd that you were overriding the default http browser intents |
| 05:33.12 | muthu | its not odd |
| 05:33.30 | muthu | android intents are meant to be overridden |
| 05:33.51 | certron | "Android intents... They do what you mean." |
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| 05:35.05 | invain | ì |
| 05:35.06 | muthu | the beauty of android is the choice that you can present for a given intent |
| 05:35.06 | invain | wow |
| 05:35.07 | invain | íê¸ì |
| 05:35.09 | invain | ëë ì
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| 05:35.13 | muthu | woah!! |
| 05:35.17 | invain | This is korea language.. |
| 05:35.24 | muthu | invain: ha, good to know |
| 05:35.28 | muthu | what does it mean? |
| 05:35.29 | umdk1d3 | muthu: just because they are designed to be overridden doesnt mean that you /must/ override them |
| 05:35.37 | romainguy | seconds umdk1d3 |
| 05:35.40 | invain | yes |
| 05:36.07 | invain | this means that google not opne compiler source like toolchain. |
| 05:36.34 | romainguy | well it certainly is open source |
| 05:36.37 | romainguy | we did not modify it |
| 05:36.52 | invain | Can we download open source about toolchain to build android opensource in private? |
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| 05:37.08 | romainguy | sure but why do you want to download the compiler's source code? |
| 05:37.14 | umdk1d3 | muthu: do one thing, and do it well :) |
| 05:37.16 | romainguy | you don't need it to compile Android itself |
| 05:37.25 | invain | no.. |
| 05:37.25 | muthu | umdk1d3: haha.. thanks |
| 05:37.28 | invain | In my case. |
| 05:37.40 | muthu | umdk1d3: nice feedback, appreciated |
| 05:37.54 | invain | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:38.13 | invain | I think that |
| 05:38.34 | invain | you will adjust another embedded products using android full source. |
| 05:38.40 | invain | so i need |
| 05:38.49 | invain | android compiler source. |
| 05:39.11 | romainguy | invain: it's just gcc |
| 05:39.25 | muthu | umdk1d3: sent any patches to source? |
| 05:39.26 | invain | but |
| 05:40.01 | invain | google used bsd c library without glibce to build gcc tolchain. |
| 05:40.13 | invain | tolchain --> toolchain. |
| 05:40.28 | umdk1d3 | patches to android source? lol no, ive just been browsing through online git right now--lots to soak in |
| 05:40.41 | muthu | yeah, git is a learning curve |
| 05:40.41 | romainguy | umdk1d3: hey now you can fix your Listview bug |
| 05:41.04 | muthu | now we can just send patches, instead of bug reports :) |
| 05:41.19 | Disconnect | ok so all my tables have id columns called _id. how come I'm getting a 'no such column _id' error? |
| 05:41.48 | romainguy | Disconnect: it's not projected by your SQL query? |
| 05:42.16 | muthu | umdk1d3: any good git docs you found? |
| 05:42.23 | muthu | am trying to get some decent overview on git |
| 05:42.26 | romainguy | muthu: http://book.git-scm.com/ |
| 05:42.30 | invain | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.31 | muthu | romainguy: thx |
| 05:42.51 | invain | anyone have gcc-toolchain source by google.? |
| 05:43.14 | BruteSource | its in the bootkit |
| 05:44.10 | invain | in general, |
| 05:44.36 | invain | If google is using gcc toolchain with glibce, I don't need gcc toolchain source of android. |
| 05:44.37 | invain | but. |
| 05:44.53 | invain | goole is using gcctoolchain with bsd libc without glibc or uclibc. |
| 05:45.13 | invain | in android software stack, |
| 05:45.28 | invain | good is calling bionic library. |
| 05:45.35 | BruteSource | gogle doesnt use gcc |
| 05:45.41 | BruteSource | google |
| 05:45.48 | invain | help me... |
| 05:46.10 | invain | no.. goolgle is using gcc for android. |
| 05:46.20 | invain | http://android.git.kernel.org/pub/android-toolchain-20081019.tar.bz2 |
| 05:46.39 | invain | you can download android toolchain (Exectuable binary files). |
| 05:46.52 | BruteSource | google uses a custom compiler |
| 05:46.56 | invain | but, I want to download android toolchain source.. |
| 05:47.10 | invain | yes... i thinks so. |
| 05:47.19 | invain | so i need android toolchain source.. |
| 05:47.45 | invain | perhaps... dou you have android toolchain source using bionic(=bsc c lib) |
| 05:47.46 | invain | ? |
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| 05:48.23 | invain | knock.... knock.. |
| 05:50.39 | romainguy | BruteSource: it's not a custom compiler, it's g++ for ARM archiectures |
| 05:51.21 | Disconnect | so.. anyone know whats wrong with my sql? _id is in my table but its still throwing no-such-column exceptions at runtime |
| 05:51.25 | waldo_ | google doesn't use glibc according to the video I watched a while ago |
| 05:51.34 | Disconnect | is there something weird about the _ in sqlite? |
| 05:51.37 | romainguy | Disconnect: did you check that your project contains the _id column? |
| 05:51.41 | Disconnect | yep |
| 05:51.49 | umdk1d3 | *project==query |
| 05:52.01 | Disconnect | sqlite> .schema boxes / CREATE TABLE boxes (_id integer primary key autoincrement, |
| 05:52.06 | romainguy | umdk1d3: I meant the projection in the query |
| 05:52.21 | invain | waldo.. i think so.. google is using bionic library(=modified netbsd c library). |
| 05:52.24 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: thats the table def, not the query |
| 05:52.53 | invain | and current android toolchain is for C , C++ |
| 05:53.01 | invain | refer to below description. |
| 05:53.10 | romainguy | invain: looking at the toolchain, you need the source of gcc 4.2.1 |
| 05:53.28 | invain | yes.. |
| 05:53.31 | invain | exactly.. |
| 05:53.43 | romainguy | so what's the problem with getting the source of gcc 4.2.1?? |
| 05:53.43 | invain | i need modified gcc 4.2.1 by google for android. |
| 05:53.46 | Disconnect | query runs in sqlite - select b.box_column .. c.weight from boxes b, content c where c._id = b.content_id |
| 05:53.53 | romainguy | invain: but we did not modify it |
| 05:53.58 | romainguy | at least not that I know of |
| 05:54.00 | invain | [invain@fedora9 bin]$ ./arm-eabi-gcc -v |
| 05:54.00 | invain | Using built-in specs. |
| 05:54.00 | invain | Target: arm-eabi |
| 05:54.00 | invain | Configured with: ../../toolchain/android-toolchain/gcc-4.2.1/configure --prefix=/android/mathias/armdev/toolchain-eabi-4.2.1 --program-transform-name=s,^,arm-eabi-, --prefix=/android/mathias/armdev/toolchain-eabi-4.2.1 --target=arm-eabi --host=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --build=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --enable-languages=c,c++ --disable-libstdc__-v3 --disable-libssp --enable-threads --disable-nls --disable-libmudflap --with-float=soft --with-fp |
| 05:54.01 | invain | u=vfp --with-arch=armv5te --enable-target-optspace --with-abi=aapcs : (reconfigured) ../../toolchain/android-toolchain/gcc-4.2.1/configure --prefix=/android/mathias/armdev/toolchain-eabi-4.2.1 --program-transform-name=s,^,arm-eabi-, --prefix=/android/mathias/armdev/toolchain-eabi-4.2.1 --target=arm-eabi --host=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --build=x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu --enable-languages=c,c++ --disable-libstdc__-v3 --disable-libssp --enable-th |
| 05:54.08 | invain | reads --disable-nls --disable-libmudflap --with-float=soft --with-fpu=vfp --with-arch=armv5te --enable-target-optspace --with-abi=aapcs |
| 05:54.11 | invain | Thread model: single |
| 05:54.13 | invain | gcc version 4.2.1 |
| 05:54.31 | invain | oh... romainguy... you are google staff? it it correct? |
| 05:54.34 | romainguy | yes |
| 05:54.56 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: that query, shouldnt it be "b._id"? |
| 05:55.05 | umdk1d3 | according to your table def earlier |
| 05:55.07 | invain | When i see above gcc version. |
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| 05:55.17 | romainguy | Disconnect: your query doesn't contain the _id column :) |
| 05:55.18 | Disconnect | box contains a content_id that lines up to content._id |
| 05:55.20 | wub_ | anyone using connectbot? |
| 05:55.41 | umdk1d3 | wub_: yes, sup? |
| 05:55.46 | invain | ok.. romainguy... Can you give me arm-eabi-gcc toolchain build script ? |
| 05:55.49 | invain | please.. |
| 05:55.55 | umdk1d3 | wub_: were idling in #connectbot actually |
| 05:55.59 | PoohbaLT | ugh. i thought u would be able to use the internet and phone calls at the same time. |
| 05:56.00 | wub_ | ah cool |
| 05:56.11 | Disconnect | romainguy: yah thats somewhat an issue cuz i'm building a cursor with the above, and then feeding a listview. query runs fine. (lemme log.d it again and triplecheck but..) |
| 05:56.12 | romainguy | PoohbaLT: you can on 3G |
| 05:56.49 | PoohbaLT | thats what i thought |
| 05:56.59 | PoohbaLT | but i didn't get any emails. i was just on the phone for 1hr |
| 05:57.05 | PoohbaLT | then when i get off they came thru |
| 05:57.11 | Disconnect | although i think i just found a problem. i'm pulling out "datetime" "size" etc.. but i'm handing up "b.size" and "c.datetime" and .. ugh. maybe thats it. (or at least, thats probably also broken) |
| 05:57.19 | invain | um... romaingu i have one more question.. |
| 05:57.19 | romainguy | PoohbaLT: with Email or Gmail? |
| 05:57.29 | wub_ | umdk1d3: is there any key combo that maps to alt? I'm trying to switch between screen sessions ;) |
| 05:57.51 | umdk1d3 | not yet, but its coming ;) |
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| 05:57.52 | wub_ | umdk1d3: can't find much documentation on the google dev page |
| 05:57.56 | wub_ | cool cool |
| 05:57.59 | invain | mathias is staff for android toolchain with bionic library. is it correct? |
| 05:57.59 | wub_ | I like the app so far |
| 05:58.01 | umdk1d3 | yea its still under heavy dev before monday |
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| 05:58.10 | umdk1d3 | wub_: did you get latest svn from a few hours ago? |
| 05:58.17 | invain | knock romainguy... |
| 05:58.21 | wub_ | umdk1d3: I tried but they wouldn't install on my G1. |
| 05:58.29 | invain | Can you answer me about my above question? |
| 05:58.35 | umdk1d3 | wub_: yea we need to write up a better guide |
| 05:58.36 | BruteSource | whats a futexe? |
| 05:58.38 | BruteSource | whats a futexe? |
| 05:58.38 | BruteSource | whats a futexe? |
| 05:58.40 | umdk1d3 | the key situation is a mess |
| 05:58.47 | invain | i know futex |
| 05:58.56 | wub_ | umdk1d3: I don't have the SDK installed on this computer so I can't dump anything for you to debug. |
| 05:58.57 | invain | futes is Fast userspace Mutex.. |
| 05:59.31 | invain | 2.6 linux kernel consist of futex features for faster mutex locking mechnism. |
| 05:59.47 | umdk1d3 | wub_: if you cant get it installed, then its most likely an APK signing issue |
| 06:00.05 | umdk1d3 | try uninstalling any version you currently have before installing a new one |
| 06:00.10 | wub_ | umdk1d3: How freaking cool would it be to map the screen swiping to ctrl-a-n and ctrl-a-p to switch between screens ;) I know currently it switches between connections |
| 06:00.16 | wub_ | umdk1d3: Ok, let me try that. |
| 06:00.22 | umdk1d3 | wub_: oh awesome! =D didnt think of htat |
| 06:00.31 | umdk1d3 | might be a menu option or something |
| 06:00.41 | invain | I you are interested in FUTEX features, Read white paper at http://people.redhat.com/drepper/futex.pdf by Ulrich drepper. |
| 06:00.43 | umdk1d3 | wouldnt get the animation |
| 06:00.49 | invain | i --> If |
| 06:00.53 | wub_ | umdk1d3: I don't care! :) |
| 06:01.55 | wub_ | umdk1d3: is issue #15 resolved in any of the new svns? |
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| 06:02.25 | invain | ok.. nice meet romainguy.. |
| 06:02.30 | invain | have nice day.. |
| 06:02.49 | umdk1d3 | wub_: rumor has it someone just finished writing a fix for #15 |
| 06:02.51 | BruteSource | will someone look at this strace output we get after init for the android userspace |
| 06:02.54 | umdk1d3 | might be checked in shortly ^.^ |
| 06:02.55 | invain | i have to go vips store.. bye.. see you again... (here is PM 3:02hehe) |
| 06:02.59 | BruteSource | http://pastebin.com/d62649620 |
| 06:03.12 | wub_ | umdk1d3: Cool :) |
| 06:03.17 | muthu | invain: is it AM? |
| 06:03.53 | muthu | oh no.. korea should be afternoon |
| 06:03.58 | Disconnect | ok so i was looking at the wrong query :) but i still can run it in the shell with no errors (no rows, but no errors) |
| 06:04.46 | BruteSource | can someone look at that pastebin please? |
| 06:04.53 | invain | muthu.. yes.. |
| 06:05.03 | invain | and brutesource i read above site... |
| 06:05.15 | invain | confirm your file system for normal mmap2 syscall. |
| 06:05.44 | BruteSource | we are not using yyafs, could that be the problem? |
| 06:05.56 | wub_ | umdk1d3: you were right about the signing issue -- just installed r75 |
| 06:06.06 | invain | ye.. at leat, in my experience... bye.. see you again... |
| 06:09.14 | Disconnect | damnit. simplecursoradapter expects _id thats why it was hating me |
| 06:10.35 | BruteSource | disconnect could you look at this strace output please? |
| 06:10.39 | BruteSource | http://pastebin.com/d62649620 |
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| 06:11.03 | BruteSource | happens right after init we are getting a flashing android man thats it |
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| 06:11.50 | wubG1 | sweet - this is the smallest thing i've irc'd on i think... |
| 06:12.26 | BruteSource | im irc'n on a smaller device than a g1 lol |
| 06:12.44 | wubG1 | what are you using? |
| 06:13.09 | BruteSource | an exclibur |
| 06:13.23 | BruteSource | what client are you using on the dream? |
| 06:13.29 | BruteSource | excalibur |
| 06:14.15 | ihateuid2000 | woe is me |
| 06:14.22 | PoohbaLT | romainguy: gmail |
| 06:14.58 | PoohbaLT | i have my gmail set up to get mail from other mail accounts and i have it to reply as who the mail was sent to but that doesn't follow on the android |
| 06:15.04 | wub_ | BruteSource: I was ssh'ing into a shell account and running an irc client from there... |
| 06:15.13 | BruteSource | aw |
| 06:15.32 | BruteSource | should be able to just run irssi from a terminal |
| 06:15.41 | BruteSource | if you can get it to run |
| 06:16.08 | swetland | invain - you still looking for gcc source? |
| 06:16.16 | wub_ | BruteSource: directly on the device? ...I'm not so sure. |
| 06:16.50 | BruteSource | its linux its possible |
| 06:16.52 | wub_ | Has someone ported bash or something? |
| 06:17.00 | BruteSource | shouldnt he hard |
| 06:17.01 | swetland | wub: you could. I would prefer to have a native client that used a proxy backend myself |
| 06:17.10 | swetland | wub: ash is included as /system/bin/sh |
| 06:17.29 | wub_ | So, how do I get at it... heh. |
| 06:17.35 | ihateuid2000 | i tried bash-static from lenny for arm and it segfaulted |
| 06:17.44 | ihateuid2000 | busyboc works though |
| 06:17.45 | BruteSource | alot of people dont realize android is linux lol |
| 06:17.49 | ihateuid2000 | erm, busybox |
| 06:18.00 | swetland | well android *isn't* linux |
| 06:18.17 | swetland | but the android stack does run on top of a linux kernel, and includes a number of libraries common to linux distributions |
| 06:18.29 | wub_ | I'm a software developer but I have not delved into the SDK at all. I knew Google was working on Android but I didn't really follow things closely. When I heard that the G1 was coming, I eagerly preordered to dump my broken Blackberry. |
| 06:19.27 | BruteSource | yes it does run on top of a linux kernel lmao |
| 06:19.39 | BruteSource | what do you think they run on? |
| 06:20.26 | wub_ | I'm pleased for the most part. The possibilities for this platform are so exciting. I'll admit, it's got my little geek heart longing to poke at some code for it. |
| 06:20.33 | BruteSource | If they didnt we wouldnt be able to run patched kernels |
| 06:21.36 | wub_ | BruteSource: From what I've read, swetland is correct. Yes, it's running on a Linux kernel but things are locked down. It's pretty abstracted for developers. |
| 06:21.56 | swetland | yes, I'm correct. I'm the systems/kernel lead for the project ^^ |
| 06:22.03 | wub_ | I don't think you can hack your kernel ;) |
| 06:22.06 | wub_ | swetland: ha. |
| 06:22.32 | BruteSource | no its completely open, thats why its already running on other devices |
| 06:22.43 | BruteSource | oh now he works for google lmao |
| 06:22.58 | wub_ | *cough /whois swetland *cough* |
| 06:23.01 | BruteSource | irc is great |
| 06:23.03 | wub_ | :P |
| 06:23.40 | BruteSource | brian swetland? |
| 06:23.58 | wub_ | http://www.linkedin.com/in/swetland |
| 06:24.01 | swetland | yes? |
| 06:24.44 | BruteSource | so i can make my whois say bill gates, wanna see? |
| 06:24.49 | BruteSource | whats your point? |
| 06:25.22 | umdk1d3 | sigh |
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| 06:25.40 | waldo_ | is away: auto-away |
| 06:27.10 | wub_ | umdk1d3: I like the fix for the password/keyboard issues altho the inconsistency is confusing. |
| 06:27.35 | umdk1d3 | wub_: true, but we kindof needed the "confidence" of the password edittext |
| 06:27.40 | waldo_ | is back (gone 00:02:00) |
| 06:27.45 | wub_ | nods. |
| 06:28.18 | umdk1d3 | oh, and we werent handling special chars correctly from what peopel reported |
| 06:28.56 | umdk1d3 | zzz |
| 06:28.59 | wub_ | As in? I didn't try very much since I couldn't resume my screen session. |
| 06:29.04 | wub_ | Or go to bed. ;) |
| 06:29.08 | umdk1d3 | lol |
| 06:29.26 | umdk1d3 | umm someone was saying the special chars (alt+something) werent working all the way |
| 06:30.09 | BruteSource | what needs to be pressed to return to home screen, wened to map it |
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| 06:57.09 | mib_33yhjb | are there any plans now that the source tree has been released to remove the license from the sdk binary? |
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| 07:18.33 | coonsta | exit |
| 07:18.36 | coonsta | :) |
| 07:18.39 | coonsta | It is too late. |
| 07:18.51 | coonsta | :o |
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| 07:26.57 | muthu | git community book is great |
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| 08:03.19 | jimmygoon | How much physical size would it actually add to have 2 microsd slots instead of just one? |
| 08:03.43 | jimmygoon | And congrats on the OSS release (obviously a lot late, there were mixed feelings, expectations last time I was here :D) |
| 08:04.36 | f00f- | jimmy, i'd say it'd add quite a bit |
| 08:05.41 | jimmygoon | f00f-: Hm, I just think a few extra slots and then having them work in raid or something (raid would make it hard to "hotswap" theem) would be awesome. |
| 08:06.07 | jimmygoon | but obviously, there would have to be a spring mechanism, terminal contacts, circuit board access etc |
| 08:06.33 | f00f- | i dont see the purpose |
| 08:06.44 | f00f- | just get a larger card |
| 08:07.08 | jimmygoon | f00f-: they don't make 32gb cards yet :) |
| 08:07.22 | f00f- | ok let's wait until they do :) |
| 08:07.25 | f00f- | it's around the corner |
| 08:07.42 | f00f- | there's a bunch of hardware that needs changing |
| 08:07.53 | f00f- | plus, the board is routed optimally already |
| 08:07.58 | jimmygoon | haha, fair enough. I just hope by time a verizon/cdma handset is on the horizon the 16gb become more affordable |
| 08:08.05 | f00f- | you might need to redo layout if you want to add more stuff |
| 08:08.12 | f00f- | due to noise and what-not |
| 08:08.31 | f00f- | might be a nice hobby project if you work at htc and have axx to the board layout files, etc. |
| 08:08.32 | jimmygoon | yeah it obviously wouldn't work to jsut "throw an extra one in there" |
| 08:08.38 | muthu | heard 64gb card is coming soon |
| 08:08.51 | jimmygoon | muthu: microsd? |
| 08:08.53 | jimmygoon | :O |
| 08:08.55 | f00f- | well yeah they have 32/64 gb cards probably |
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| 08:08.58 | f00f- | in research |
| 08:09.00 | f00f- | not i nmass market |
| 08:09.05 | muthu | right |
| 08:09.08 | muthu | hehe |
| 08:09.54 | jimmygoon | fun fun |
| 08:10.01 | muthu | :) |
| 08:10.20 | jimmygoon | any news/rumors of cdma/verizon android handsets? |
| 08:11.02 | spikebike | n800 has two slots |
| 08:11.26 | spikebike | jimmy search youtube for android on verizon |
| 08:12.35 | jimmygoon | spikebike: I just saw someone with it running on an old htc phone :/ I hope Verizon doesn't pull a Verizon on android :( |
| 08:12.38 | f00f- | experiments with runOnUiThread()... |
| 08:12.58 | f00f- | ok muthu, major improvements in error handling |
| 08:13.14 | f00f- | if a web request fails or times out, i throw up a dialog |
| 08:13.20 | f00f- | allowing the user to "try again" or cancel |
| 08:13.38 | f00f- | i don't ever expect to have such a dialog pop up |
| 08:13.48 | muthu | f00f-: nice |
| 08:13.49 | f00f- | but in case a network request times out or server is overloaded |
| 08:14.16 | muthu | yeah, the user's just want it to work |
| 08:14.24 | muthu | they dont care about notifications and all that shit |
| 08:14.33 | spikebike | I was kinda shocked how many videos there are of android on a butload of different phones |
| 08:15.49 | muthu | spikebike: yeah, looks like every phone can run android |
| 08:16.03 | DarkriftX | xda-developers had a thread linking to my site about porting android to wm phones, i found it from my analytics and read it a little |
| 08:16.08 | DarkriftX | was interesting to say the least |
| 08:16.09 | jimmygoon | How were they managing this before the source was available ..... :/ |
| 08:16.26 | DarkriftX | taking the image and runnign it with haret |
| 08:16.33 | jimmygoon | and how soon before it is stable on touch hd :) (still not in the US though :() |
| 08:16.58 | spikebike | ya, the touch HD looks pretty nice |
| 08:17.02 | DarkriftX | check xda-developers forums, they would be the place to find out |
| 08:17.21 | spikebike | quite a few phones are coming with very g1 like hardware (except for the compass) |
| 08:17.31 | spikebike | treo pro |
| 08:17.37 | spikebike | at least a few of the htcs |
| 08:18.24 | jimmygoon | :) Except, the Touch HD is surely GSM anyway :| |
| 08:20.04 | spikebike | I think even the iphone is pretty close (no keyboard of course) |
| 08:21.10 | jimmygoon | oooh. there is diamond cdma variety |
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| 08:26.45 | parmaster | htc blackstone |
| 08:27.03 | parmaster | (aka htc touch HD) |
| 08:29.59 | jimmygoon | well it looks like there will be cdma touch pro and diamond, maybe one of those would work out? Hopefully HTC will stay on their game and release something like the touch hd here with android :) that would make me happy |
| 08:32.55 | parmaster | maybe you could just wait for 'opentrout' lol |
| 08:35.13 | BruteSource | anyone know why our build keeps setting its date back and freakig out about it? |
| 08:35.58 | parmaster | hi BruteSource |
| 08:36.16 | parmaster | i have no idea about the htc hardware clock |
| 08:36.40 | parmaster | but clocks working ok in winmo right? |
| 08:37.31 | BruteSource | ya it a consistant error on 2 seperate devices with same hw |
| 08:39.18 | BruteSource | we finally got the userspace to init but now we have this crazy problem with the hw clock |
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| 08:46.04 | parmaster | i couldn't find anything in the xda-developer forums about the hardware clock for any of the phones at all |
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| 08:50.53 | BruteSource | ya im sure penguinz will figure it out dude is like a ninja |
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| 09:22.40 | BruteSource | whats with the bots? |
| 09:27.21 | malcom_ | hello guys, is normal that Android Emulator is so slow? In fact if I want to debug an app of mine I need to start it each time (eclipse don't use an opened istance of it) and it's a pain |
| 09:27.42 | malcom_ | What wrong? It's a mistake of mine or the right way? |
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| 09:32.24 | NarOwmind | anyone still awake? |
| 09:32.31 | gdsx | NarOwmind: moo :o) |
| 09:32.42 | gdsx | malcom_: you're not supposed to start it each time |
| 09:33.04 | gdsx | malcom_: you're supposed to run it once, and then the Eclipse plugin is supposed to interact with it |
| 09:33.12 | NarOwmind | I was looking at the ContentProvider interfaces |
| 09:33.34 | NarOwmind | does any one know the plan around those.. |
| 09:33.54 | NarOwmind | I would like to sync some of my apps data to the google account |
| 09:34.14 | NarOwmind | since gmail offers so much storage |
| 09:34.31 | NarOwmind | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:34.36 | gdsx | NarOwmind: dunno, sorry |
| 09:34.55 | BruteSource | ask the founder of google he is here |
| 09:35.00 | NarOwmind | huh |
| 09:35.13 | BruteSource | lmao just making fun sorry |
| 09:35.32 | NarOwmind | founders dont much anyways |
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| 09:35.41 | NarOwmind | its a better joke to say project manager |
| 09:36.47 | waldo_ | is away: zzz |
| 09:37.14 | BruteSource | well his title is ever changing |
| 09:38.35 | BruteSource | the thing is google devs sign a non disclosure agreement which says they can not reveal who they re in a public media while adressing current project information |
| 09:38.50 | BruteSource | so we know he is full of it |
| 09:39.52 | muthu | BruteSource: what do you mean? you can't say projectmanager of gmail for ex? |
| 09:41.11 | swetland | we also are required to cover our faces in public. it is true. |
| 09:41.51 | BruteSource | it just means you cant say hi im john smith from google and we are doing this in the next release of gmail.. it has to go through a press release |
| 09:42.16 | Adamant | BruteSource: there are a lot of Google devs on here |
| 09:42.23 | BruteSource | you can find this information on the net lol |
| 09:42.53 | BruteSource | i am sure there are, but none that say there names and give out future development specifics |
| 09:44.32 | BruteSource | anyways believe what ya want its free net, im not trolling |
| 09:45.35 | muthu | BruteSource: isn't that like a general company policy everywhere? |
| 09:45.56 | muthu | not to talk about specifics.. |
| 09:46.06 | BruteSource | i dont know, but i do know its onefor google |
| 09:46.24 | Adamant | BruteSource: given that Google is open sourcing Android and relying in significant part on outside contributions from this point on |
| 09:46.44 | BruteSource | only with applications |
| 09:46.46 | swetland | given that we've done the kernel development out in the open for the last year |
| 09:46.51 | Adamant | I wouldn't be surprised if some form of limited waiver is given to talk about certain things |
| 09:46.53 | BruteSource | not kernel development |
| 09:47.23 | Adamant | swetland: good point |
| 09:47.40 | waldo_ | is away: auto-away |
| 09:47.44 | BruteSource | and so its opensource... you ever seen linus come on irc and talk about whats up in the next kernel release? |
| 09:47.58 | Adamant | BruteSource: he talks about it on LKML all the time |
| 09:48.05 | Adamant | he's old, he doesn't use IRC |
| 09:48.29 | BruteSource | no google has developed then release developed then released, see he has no clue what he is going on about |
| 09:48.38 | NarOwmind | ya he whistles 2400buad for nttp |
| 09:48.39 | Adamant | ok. whatever. |
| 09:49.19 | BruteSource | lmao this kid has you all eating out of his hand its great |
| 09:49.36 | BruteSource | why dont you share with us your @google email? |
| 09:50.26 | BruteSource | and ill email you something and you can relay it here... |
| 09:50.26 | swetland | http://git.android.com/?p=linux-msm.git;a=commit;h=639e64a900f3e5185c977f81d925888f20fbb86c |
| 09:50.33 | BruteSource | ill cc it as well so we can know i sent it |
| 09:50.46 | swetland | my email address has been public knowledge for well over a year, since we started contributing kernel work to the outside world for android |
| 09:50.47 | BruteSource | i dont care about that whatd the email... |
| 09:51.06 | BruteSource | just type the damn address |
| 09:52.02 | muthu | BruteSource: why you want his email? |
| 09:52.16 | BruteSource | so i can prove he is bs |
| 09:52.44 | BruteSource | if he is who he says he is he will have a google email and can read from it |
| 09:52.47 | swetland | it's in the commit linked to above, from 2007. please feel free to send me an email |
| 09:53.10 | BruteSource | just type it id, i mean look how he beats around the bush |
| 09:53.32 | BruteSource | type the address here, what do you have to worry about |
| 09:54.15 | BruteSource | exactly there you guys go he has no access to any google email |
| 09:54.48 | Adamant | dude his email at google is the same as his screenname here |
| 09:54.48 | BruteSource | sorry to sound like a troll guys but he had to be weeded out |
| 09:54.56 | muthu | he's using hotmail :) |
| 09:55.01 | Adamant | if you check the post |
| 09:55.21 | BruteSource | why cant he simply type it here? |
| 09:55.21 | muthu | BruteSource: are you saying someone is impersonating swetland? |
| 09:55.50 | BruteSource | im saying swetland is impersonating a real google dev |
| 09:55.55 | muthu | haha |
| 09:56.01 | muthu | you been drinking too much |
| 09:56.12 | BruteSource | well then why wont he prove it? |
| 09:56.24 | NarOwmind | why do we care |
| 09:56.36 | BruteSource | i sent an email to the address read the 3 words... |
| 09:56.53 | NarOwmind | little brown fox |
| 09:56.54 | BruteSource | lmao, you guys are so gullable |
| 09:57.02 | swetland | this is such a fun game |
| 09:57.19 | BruteSource | lmao i bet it is fun for you |
| 09:57.40 | BruteSource | you cant login to that email account and you know it |
| 09:58.10 | BruteSource | or else you would just shut me up and read the 3 words |
| 09:59.01 | BruteSource | lmao keep believing what you want guys, but i promise its just some android fanboi |
| 09:59.18 | muthu | hmm |
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| 10:02.38 | swetland | based on the lack of new mail, I can only assume you want to ensure your "victory" or your mail is unreliable or eaten by spamfilters. ^^ |
| 10:03.07 | muthu | BruteSource: is having friday fun |
| 10:03.29 | swetland | of course you certainly win by having me even bother to check, so there ya go |
| 10:03.45 | DarkriftX | BruteSource, whois him |
| 10:04.10 | BruteSource | lmao, now the email didnt come, good thing I cc'd and will post the copied email from the inbox i cc'd it to, i knew he would try that |
| 10:04.16 | DarkriftX | also whois jasonchen and SanMehat |
| 10:05.07 | Adamant | swetland: did you really believe your dastardly plot to impersonate a Google developer would work? |
| 10:05.08 | BruteSource | what else woulhe say? |
| 10:05.18 | BruteSource | he is persistant though |
| 10:05.23 | DarkriftX | BruteSource, how did he get behind a google firewall with 2 of the ops? |
| 10:05.44 | swetland | adamant: of course not. I could never stand up to such impressive scrutiny |
| 10:05.48 | BruteSource | what firewall? you mean a lame psybnc? |
| 10:06.04 | DarkriftX | yeah, with a computer inside a google domain? |
| 10:06.12 | BruteSource | i an do the same thing... should i show you? |
| 10:06.15 | DarkriftX | sure |
| 10:06.28 | muthu | BruteSource: how? |
| 10:06.33 | BruteSource | its a vmask lol basic stuff, not a real google domain |
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| 10:06.45 | DarkriftX | i want to see you join with the same vhost then |
| 10:07.05 | DarkriftX | see? he avoids my challenge |
| 10:07.09 | BruteSource | you can make it say microsoft, fairyland, fsf whatever floats your boat |
| 10:07.19 | DarkriftX | he is impersonating an accuser of an impersonator! |
| 10:07.28 | BruteSource | im on a mobile phone lmao |
| 10:07.37 | DarkriftX | i c |
| 10:07.38 | swetland | I thought the "I'll send you an email thing" was pretty cute. |
| 10:07.43 | DarkriftX | see how he beats around the bush? |
| 10:08.30 | rwhitby | gets out the popcorn ... |
| 10:08.32 | BruteSource | lol this is great he has you eating out of his palms, oh i give up. much respect for being such a good puppet master |
| 10:08.46 | DarkriftX | you give up because you cannot do what you say you can do |
| 10:08.56 | DarkriftX | i know bnc's and you arent going to get a google ip/domain on a bnc |
| 10:09.17 | swetland | rwhitby: I'll try to get trolled more often in the future! Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all the week. |
| 10:09.23 | BruteSource | no matter what i prove to you over and over, itall your perception when it comes down to it. so have fun |
| 10:09.36 | rwhitby | swetland: it is quite amusing :-) |
| 10:09.50 | DarkriftX | i also know that the devs to in fact hang out in here so why is it so hard to believe he is a google employee? |
| 10:10.13 | BruteSource | al gogle devs spend theretime in an irc channel ya know |
| 10:10.13 | DarkriftX | BruteSource, want me to send you an email at a godaddy.com address? thats a large company |
| 10:10.58 | BruteSource | i said @google fool no one but staff get those adresses, go read a book |
| 10:11.10 | DarkriftX | i know |
| 10:11.24 | DarkriftX | i didnt say you didnt say google.com |
| 10:11.39 | BruteSource | no you didnt obviously you idiot |
| 10:11.49 | DarkriftX | lol, now he is mad |
| 10:11.53 | swetland | rwhitby: gotta admit he's pretty good. |
| 10:11.55 | DarkriftX | he cant prove his point and hes pissed |
| 10:12.00 | BruteSource | oh yes im so mad |
| 10:12.08 | BruteSource | im impressed actually |
| 10:12.12 | swetland | well, he seems to have trouble sending email too. life is full of hardships. |
| 10:12.17 | DarkriftX | lol! |
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| 10:12.32 | BruteSource | this script kiddie has fooled some pretty intelligent people |
| 10:12.33 | rwhitby | swetland: perhaps it's a windows mobile phone he's using ... |
| 10:12.42 | DarkriftX | that would explain it |
| 10:12.48 | DarkriftX | wm and pop dont work well together |
| 10:13.00 | DarkriftX | he should get an exchange server |
| 10:13.04 | BruteSource | wow mommy teach you to ctcp version? what a big boy |
| 10:13.23 | DarkriftX | lol, and he says he isnt mad |
| 10:13.24 | BruteSource | i dont use pop god your brilliant |
| 10:13.40 | rwhitby | DarkriftX: no mad, just a teenager probably. |
| 10:13.52 | BruteSource | now he thinks gmail only supports pop, so clever |
| 10:14.08 | swetland | you know, it is getting late. can't exactly stay up all night waiting for email from trolss ^^ |
| 10:14.09 | DarkriftX | pop, imap take your choice |
| 10:14.15 | DarkriftX | i also know wm sucks even worse with imap |
| 10:14.28 | rwhitby | have a good night swetland |
| 10:14.52 | DarkriftX | BruteSource, find a real computer and send your email so he can prove you a troll |
| 10:15.02 | swetland | oh I'll be around for a bit. but I doubt I'll ever see an email from the brilliant man who unmasked me as a foul imposter ^^ |
| 10:15.02 | BruteSource | yes teeager but somehow i was alive logging into bbs's sharing fortran and basic over a 28k baud modem when you were sperm in daddies balls? |
| 10:15.07 | DarkriftX | and we can laugh at how mad you get and blow up |
| 10:15.12 | DarkriftX | 28k? |
| 10:15.18 | DarkriftX | i had a 300 baud modem little boy |
| 10:15.21 | rwhitby | it's quite ironic really, someone who doesn't give his real name in IRC saying that someone else is modifying his identity :-) |
| 10:15.42 | swetland | dark: makes me a youngin' getting started in the 1200 baud days |
| 10:15.51 | DarkriftX | 300/1200/2400baud |
| 10:16.02 | DarkriftX | but none of the bbs's supported 1200 or 2400 when i was on them |
| 10:16.08 | BruteSource | by the time you touched a keyboard it had broadband kid |
| 10:16.32 | DarkriftX | that was on my trash 80 and then the 8088 i later built |
| 10:16.48 | BruteSource | name one bbs net you used? |
| 10:16.55 | rwhitby | DarkriftX: loved that trash 80 |
| 10:16.57 | swetland | you know what I miss. isdn. |
| 10:17.00 | DarkriftX | so did i |
| 10:17.02 | DarkriftX | basic FTW |
| 10:17.02 | swetland | those were the days |
| 10:17.15 | rwhitby | swetland: too expensive here. |
| 10:17.16 | swetland | 128kbps was this unbelievable thing |
| 10:17.18 | DarkriftX | i had pacman and et on cartridge |
| 10:17.21 | BruteSource | write me a hello world right here in basic |
| 10:17.34 | swetland | rwhitby: uiuc offered residential isdn data service to students when I was an undergrad |
| 10:17.36 | DarkriftX | lol, yeah, that will prove something |
| 10:17.38 | BruteSource | come on big shot |
| 10:17.45 | DarkriftX | that was 15 years ago |
| 10:17.46 | DarkriftX | or more |
| 10:17.48 | BruteSource | ya your full of shit ee |
| 10:17.50 | DarkriftX | yeah |
| 10:17.53 | DarkriftX | troll!!! |
| 10:17.58 | BruteSource | you never forget basic |
| 10:18.00 | DarkriftX | 12 yr old that got proved wrong |
| 10:18.05 | swetland | unlike email |
| 10:18.05 | DarkriftX | i remember cases thats all |
| 10:18.11 | swetland | people forget that all the time |
| 10:18.20 | DarkriftX | case 1 do soemthing, case 2 do soemthing |
| 10:18.32 | DarkriftX | i remember f5 ran the program |
| 10:18.35 | rwhitby | don't forget to increment by 10 so you can insert statements at 5. |
| 10:18.40 | BruteSource | yes im obviously 12 your just upset because the first machine you touched was a p3 and mine was an altair |
| 10:18.45 | DarkriftX | and i had to have a cassette player to save my code |
| 10:18.55 | DarkriftX | troll!!! |
| 10:18.58 | spikebike | heh |
| 10:19.02 | spikebike | imsai 8080 here |
| 10:19.19 | swetland | timex sinclair clone and C64. |
| 10:19.33 | BruteSource | all e can do is repeat insults while he is schooled how sad |
| 10:19.35 | swetland | and here we fall victim to one of the classic geek conversation traps |
| 10:19.46 | rwhitby | indeed |
| 10:20.11 | rwhitby | it's always a classic sign of a troll being the first to resort to profanities |
| 10:20.26 | BruteSource | actually that was him |
| 10:20.28 | muthu | BruteSource: how you find this channel? |
| 10:20.33 | swetland | I just want to know what's wrong with his email client |
| 10:20.50 | DarkriftX | no, lets wait for the nazi declaration.... hes gonna call someone a nazi soon, its a law of nature |
| 10:21.15 | swetland | actually, maybe he's that guy that used to go on and on about how we weren't open source and were a giant trick back on the android lists after the sdk release. he was entertaining. |
| 10:21.22 | DarkriftX | swetland, hope hes not using a g1, if so theres a major bug.... g1's cannot send email to an @google.com domain!! |
| 10:21.32 | BruteSource | i built the android kernel for my phone and had userspace questions, but i thought there was actually devs here, was my mistake |
| 10:21.46 | DarkriftX | devs here? |
| 10:21.47 | DarkriftX | wtf? |
| 10:21.51 | DarkriftX | why would they come here? |
| 10:21.59 | DarkriftX | you must be crazy, there arent any devs here :S |
| 10:22.01 | BruteSource | ya stupid thought |
| 10:22.13 | DarkriftX | ok, run along! maybe #googledevs has some! |
| 10:22.23 | swetland | dark: I honestly don't know why romain keeps coming back to answer questions everyday. he's far too nice |
| 10:22.34 | rwhitby | and morrildl |
| 10:22.36 | DarkriftX | im sure its taking a toll on him |
| 10:22.45 | DarkriftX | his patients seem to be wearing down |
| 10:22.57 | swetland | well morrildl is a dev advocate, technically it is his job to answer questions. |
| 10:23.04 | BruteSource | just crazy people who think thos projectisnt just some crappy linux kernel with some poor vm tacked on top, and shitty java to boot |
| 10:23.07 | swetland | romain is just kinda hearted I think |
| 10:23.17 | muthu | romainguy is the most consistent replier on this channel |
| 10:23.18 | DarkriftX | that can get you killed..... being too nice |
| 10:23.19 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 10:23.31 | DarkriftX | heart attack from troll infestation on irc |
| 10:23.34 | muthu | he might be burn out by now.. |
| 10:23.36 | muthu | haha |
| 10:23.39 | rwhitby | remembers chatting to swetland and morrildl on Nev 05 last year. |
| 10:23.50 | rwhitby | http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/android/ |
| 10:23.59 | swetland | rwhitby: well that was probably the *real* swetland and morrildl, not these imposters we have nowadays |
| 10:23.59 | DarkriftX | FAKE! |
| 10:24.18 | BruteSource | who was he then? linus trovalds? |
| 10:24.27 | rwhitby | swetland: yeah, those two were far more reserved about what they said in public, so they must have been real Google employees ... |
| 10:25.20 | BruteSource | half the people here dont even understand how this os even works |
| 10:25.34 | DarkriftX | of course not, we have no devs to help us with that |
| 10:25.40 | DarkriftX | sucks to be us |
| 10:25.45 | BruteSource | running around claiming its not linix and posix doesnt exist |
| 10:25.53 | DarkriftX | you should leave before the lack of knowledge infects you also |
| 10:25.55 | swetland | considering that the channel is largely enthusiasts and app developers, that's not super surprising, really |
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| 10:26.07 | DarkriftX | <--- enthusiast |
| 10:26.12 | BruteSource | saying its all java |
| 10:26.15 | swetland | mind you, the app developers and enthusiasts tend to be less absusive |
| 10:26.20 | swetland | so I don't mind them all that much |
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| 10:26.40 | DarkriftX | slaps Dialekt upside the head |
| 10:26.41 | BruteSource | it will never boot on anything but a dream till google wants is what you want to believe |
| 10:26.49 | DarkriftX | hey Dialekt did you know there are no google devs here? |
| 10:26.49 | Dialekt | droid bores |
| 10:26.52 | swetland | that would be dumb to believe |
| 10:26.58 | BruteSource | its far too complicated for us linux devs to port |
| 10:27.03 | Dialekt | doesn't car |
| 10:27.03 | swetland | since it booted on non-dream hardware months ago |
| 10:27.06 | Dialekt | care |
| 10:27.13 | BruteSource | lmao oh no it only took 3 hours lmfao |
| 10:27.15 | Dialekt | hugs his iPhone till Blackberry storm |
| 10:27.17 | swetland | the guy who did the vogue port was particularly impressive |
| 10:27.20 | DarkriftX | its booting on wm devies all over |
| 10:27.27 | swetland | brute: excellent. working as intended. |
| 10:27.28 | DarkriftX | using haret |
| 10:28.04 | BruteSource | vouge?... you mean vox tard |
| 10:28.04 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 10:28.04 | swetland | I think somebody is a bit confused as to why exactly we released the source code |
| 10:28.09 | swetland | oh come on, you were more entertaining before you resorted to name calling |
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| 10:28.42 | BruteSource | you didnt release it, its copyleft you used a linux kernel you had no choice |
| 10:28.42 | swetland | give you 5 minutes to actually send me an email, before I drop you on /ignore and forget about it |
| 10:29.02 | DarkriftX | you going to show him how to email? |
| 10:29.02 | swetland | brute: there are a few million lines of apache2.0 and bsd licensed userspace code out there too, but, hey, details |
| 10:29.11 | BruteSource | i sent the email the proof is posted on the xda general forum firstthread first post |
| 10:29.16 | swetland | nah, if he can't figure it out on his own I doubt I can help |
| 10:29.36 | rwhitby | ssshhhh, the troll is sleeping ... |
| 10:29.45 | DarkriftX | oh, you didnt put that in public... you poor thing |
| 10:29.48 | BruteSource | userspace not kernel |
| 10:29.52 | DarkriftX | you are going to get bastardized |
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| 10:30.24 | rwhitby | DarkriftX: this is in public too - Google visits the IRC logs of this channel quite often :-) |
| 10:30.34 | DarkriftX | not the REAL google |
| 10:30.38 | BruteSource | you used a gpl'd kernel... you had to release the source, it wasnt choice, do some research kid |
| 10:30.45 | DarkriftX | you? |
| 10:30.59 | DarkriftX | you talking to him like he is part of google? |
| 10:31.07 | swetland | brute: indeed, and as I pointed out we've been releasing it for roughly a year prior to the product shipping ^^ |
| 10:31.08 | DarkriftX | you are a confusing one |
| 10:31.41 | DarkriftX | so he believes you are a google employee but doesnt want to admit it |
| 10:31.45 | DarkriftX | because then he would be wrong |
| 10:31.59 | swetland | I apparently fail at forums too, because I can't find this post. it's late though |
| 10:32.00 | DarkriftX | he probably knew right before he sent the email, just in time to fake it |
| 10:32.00 | BruteSource | your the one who jut contradicted yourself, you just said google made the choice to release the soure |
| 10:32.04 | BruteSource | source |
| 10:32.34 | DarkriftX | no, he knows he is not google, thats all that proves |
| 10:32.35 | DarkriftX | sanity |
| 10:33.12 | BruteSource | pwnt again |
| 10:33.20 | Dialekt | YAWN. |
| 10:33.48 | DarkriftX | Dialekt, been by a tmob store to play with a g1 yet? |
| 10:33.53 | Dialekt | nope |
| 10:33.55 | Dialekt | don't need to |
| 10:33.59 | Dialekt | i'm passing on it |
| 10:34.03 | DarkriftX | heh |
| 10:34.04 | BruteSource | time for sleep night script kittens have fun with your make believe world |
| 10:34.07 | Dialekt | hey there's no pop up text is there? |
| 10:34.10 | Dialekt | for sms messages |
| 10:34.13 | DarkriftX | bye |
| 10:34.15 | DarkriftX | goodnight |
| 10:34.22 | rwhitby | night BruteSource, thanks for the laughs. |
| 10:34.25 | swetland | dark: we should be so lucky! |
| 10:34.29 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 10:34.45 | DarkriftX | ..... |
| 10:34.54 | DarkriftX | it was too good to be true |
| 10:35.11 | rwhitby | reckons http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=286344 was BruteSource's forum post ... |
| 10:35.13 | BruteSource | the laughs come from the logsi poted on the google code forums... lmao oh no maybe swetland will delete them since he owns google |
| 10:35.31 | DarkriftX | sorry guys, guess you have to keep your google bnc's on a little longer |
| 10:35.55 | Dialekt | WELL? |
| 10:36.03 | Dialekt | DARKLIFT |
| 10:36.06 | Dialekt | lol |
| 10:36.29 | DarkriftX | not sure |
| 10:36.31 | DarkriftX | havent used it |
| 10:37.03 | rwhitby | waits for BruteSource to post URLs of all these forums posts - searching is sooo tedious |
| 10:37.24 | DarkriftX | idea! |
| 10:38.33 | DarkriftX | searched xda for "swetland" (would be in the email header he was sending) and it wasnt found in that context |
| 10:38.44 | DarkriftX | so that was 2 lies |
| 10:38.54 | DarkriftX | he didnt even try to cover his second lie up with a third |
| 10:39.19 | DarkriftX | was hoping he would bite on that @godaddy.com email thing...... that would have been funny |
| 10:39.31 | rwhitby | DarkriftX: swetland owns the xda forums too, and deleted the post there as well |
| 10:39.43 | DarkriftX | yeah, i figured as much |
| 10:40.43 | swetland | I was expecting some impressively ginned up screenshot of an email or something proving how fake I was |
| 10:40.49 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 10:40.52 | swetland | it was a bit of a letdown for there to not even be a thread |
| 10:41.21 | swetland | I totally was trolled by somebody who's heart isn't even in it |
| 10:41.37 | DarkriftX | funny thing is, i knew better then to get into that |
| 10:41.41 | DarkriftX | once you do, you cannot get out |
| 10:41.50 | DarkriftX | internet fights are addictive |
| 10:41.51 | rwhitby | swetland: he couldn't find the BBS gateway to the forum |
| 10:41.56 | swetland | ahaha |
| 10:41.59 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 10:42.17 | DarkriftX | write me a hello world in basic |
| 10:42.19 | DarkriftX | !LOL! |
| 10:42.29 | DarkriftX | thats proof to everything |
| 10:42.32 | swetland | yeah, as soon as I took the bait and pointed him at an email address I knew I was going to lose this little game |
| 10:42.45 | rwhitby | write me one in Z80 machine code. C3 for absolute jumps. |
| 10:42.47 | DarkriftX | remembering a programming language that died 10 years ago |
| 10:43.40 | swetland | in my defense it was late and I was bored, but honestly, should know better by now |
| 10:44.21 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 10:44.31 | DarkriftX | i didnt say it wasnt fun, but it lasted longer then id have liked |
| 10:44.34 | swetland | I was then hoping he would call me out on the discussion groups, because I'd totally be hearing about it at work all next week |
| 10:44.39 | DarkriftX | and he never did bring up nazi's.... |
| 10:45.41 | nebi | no godwin's law ? :( |
| 10:45.59 | swetland | well, points for avoiding cliches I guess |
| 10:46.03 | DarkriftX | thats what its called |
| 10:46.06 | swetland | anyone seen any particularly cool apps recently |
| 10:46.07 | DarkriftX | godwins law :) |
| 10:46.18 | DarkriftX | swetland, no but if oyu do, let me know so i can put them on my site :) |
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| 10:46.55 | swetland | get your download issues sorted out? |
| 10:47.11 | DarkriftX | for now |
| 10:47.18 | DarkriftX | still working on moving it back out of the forums |
| 10:47.21 | DarkriftX | but for now its doing good |
| 10:47.28 | DarkriftX | 250 members in 3 days |
| 10:47.55 | DarkriftX | 500-800 unique visitors a day and the site is barely 2 weeks old |
| 10:49.28 | DarkriftX | ok, goodnight all |
| 10:49.33 | DarkriftX | 4am here and im supposed to be up early :S |
| 10:50.07 | swetland | 'night |
| 10:52.59 | DarkriftX | i just had a funny idea |
| 10:53.22 | swetland | ut oh! |
| 10:53.31 | DarkriftX | you should post on a blog somewhere about the "fun conversation we had with BruteSource about how there are not enough Google devs on irc" |
| 10:53.49 | DarkriftX | just enough to have his name on there and prove him a jackass |
| 10:54.18 | swetland | I don't blog. I restrict making a fool of myself to irc and assorted mailing lists. |
| 10:54.35 | DarkriftX | lol |
| 10:54.44 | swetland | and honestly he totally wins for getting me to even respond to his ranting about email addresses and such, so hat off to our troll |
| 10:54.49 | geist | and internet spaceships |
| 10:54.57 | swetland | geist: foul lies |
| 10:55.09 | DarkriftX | well the idea gave me a giggle so it was worth it in that regard |
| 10:55.32 | swetland | indeed |
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| 12:54.30 | Delvien | anyone find a working irc client for android (g1) |
| 13:01.36 | CompBrain | waves to rwhitby -- long time no see |
| 13:01.46 | rwhitby | hey CompBrain |
| 13:02.57 | CompBrain | rwhitby: how many projects are you working on these days? |
| 13:03.21 | rwhitby | close to none. |
| 13:03.36 | rwhitby | lots of following, very little working (apart from real life working) |
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| 13:11.35 | CompBrain | I'm waiting for your obligitory photo of a buildfarm of G1s |
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| 13:16.29 | thoraxe | does the email application ever bother to refresh the imap folders? because I deleted some folders from an account and they are still in the phone. do i need to re-create the account? |
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| 13:47.55 | calmfury | has any got this running on an x86 system yet? |
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| 13:59.00 | calmfur1 | anyone got this running on x86 yet? |
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| 14:11.01 | calmfur1 | anyone running this on x86? |
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| 14:13.16 | Dougie187 | calmfur1: running what on x86? |
| 14:13.26 | Kontuus | android |
| 14:13.49 | Dougie187 | well.. android source? or what? |
| 14:14.03 | Dougie187 | i know the SDK runs. |
| 14:14.06 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 14:14.09 | kontuus | :p |
| 14:15.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | i have it running on x86 |
| 14:15.07 | michaelnovakjr_ | i replaced my linux distro with it |
| 14:15.10 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 14:15.27 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 14:15.33 | Dougie187 | omg, i want the sdk to be my default boot too! |
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| 14:17.19 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr_: hows your weekend so far? |
| 14:20.48 | michaelnovakjr_ | not bad |
| 14:20.50 | michaelnovakjr_ | you? |
| 14:21.05 | Dougie187 | not too bad. i have to go to the doctors today. |
| 14:21.18 | michaelnovakjr_ | that is always fun |
| 14:21.57 | Dougie187 | yeah, i might have some sort of throat infection, like strep |
| 14:22.00 | Dougie187 | :( |
| 14:22.03 | michaelnovakjr_ | ouch |
| 14:22.07 | Dougie187 | yeah. but ionno |
| 14:22.29 | Dougie187 | otherwise we have to do some grocery shopping |
| 14:22.33 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm getting back into android development |
| 14:22.42 | Dougie187 | nice. |
| 14:22.52 | Dougie187 | you're helping out with five right? |
| 14:23.00 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 14:23.04 | Dougie187 | thats cool |
| 14:23.28 | Dougie187 | are you working on anything else? |
| 14:23.51 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'm writing an RSS app |
| 14:23.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | simple |
| 14:24.00 | Dougie187 | good ol' feed reader? |
| 14:24.07 | michaelnovakjr_ | yep |
| 14:24.08 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 14:24.23 | Dougie187 | i need to write that electric fence thing at some point, but i don't know when im going to get around to it. |
| 14:24.31 | michaelnovakjr_ | :) |
| 14:24.31 | Dougie187 | so much other crap to do, with homework and research and all. |
| 14:24.42 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, i've been quite busy myself |
| 14:24.53 | Dougie187 | oh yeah? |
| 14:25.02 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea work has been nuts |
| 14:25.07 | Dougie187 | thats no good. heh |
| 14:25.14 | landslide | the maps application seems to be missing from the stack... |
| 14:25.23 | Dougie187 | well hey we are going to run to the doctors now. so i will talk to you later. |
| 14:25.30 | Dougie187 | have a good saturday. |
| 14:25.31 | michaelnovakjr_ | good luck |
| 14:25.33 | Dougie187 | thanks |
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| 14:34.41 | Disconnect | who was it who was working on a libspark xmpp client? |
| 14:34.55 | Disconnect | could use a jabber client pretty bad now that ssh is covered by connectbot |
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| 14:37.21 | michaelnovakjr_ | Disconnect: is exchange support in the mail client? |
| 14:37.31 | Disconnect | the mail client is a total disaster |
| 14:37.53 | Disconnect | it doesn't post any changes to the server, most of the time. and it never (ever) posts deletes. |
| 14:38.07 | michaelnovakjr_ | oh nice |
| 14:38.11 | Disconnect | yah real nice |
| 14:38.20 | Disconnect | and no, even if it worked its just imap/pop |
| 14:38.27 | michaelnovakjr_ | interesting |
| 14:38.36 | Disconnect | and you have to select "ssl if available" (or tls if available) to force ssl/tls with untrusted certs. |
| 14:38.47 | Disconnect | ooh that reminds me. 2 more bugs to file about that half-written mess. |
| 14:39.17 | michaelnovakjr_ | can you put the market on the emulator? |
| 14:39.19 | |Jeff| | Which Eclipse package is best to download? Does it Matter? ie. for Java EE Deveopers vs. without EE vs. Classic ... |
| 14:39.42 | michaelnovakjr_ | I use Eclipse EE but i don't think it matters |
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| 14:39.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | just do yourself a favor and use Java 1.5 |
| 14:40.46 | michaelnovakjr_ | Eclipse EE includes J2EE packages, so no not needed |
| 14:40.50 | igorgue | this is a right place to ask non-developers questions (I'm a developer but can't find a way to do a "user" thing ;)) |
| 14:40.56 | Disconnect | sure |
| 14:41.05 | |Jeff| | I have never programmed in Java, but looking to play with Android. Just have experience with VB and tiny bit of C along time ago. Can you explain using Java 1.5 michaelnovajr |
| 14:41.07 | igorgue | album art... |
| 14:41.28 | michaelnovakjr_ | |Jeff|: its the version of Java Android uses |
| 14:41.29 | |Jeff| | eclipse is harder? |
| 14:41.32 | igorgue | where do you put it to add it with an album? |
| 14:41.42 | michaelnovakjr_ | |Jeff|: Eclipse is just an IDE |
| 14:41.51 | Disconnect | |Jeff|: headfirst java is a good book for learning/relearning java |
| 14:42.12 | |Jeff| | thanks Disconnect.. I was going to ask that also |
| 14:42.37 | michaelnovakjr_ | Effective Java is also a good book |
| 14:43.01 | igorgue | we can list a thousand of good Java books here :) |
| 14:43.34 | |Jeff| | I find the problem with alot of books is they either only show you the very basics (so you can't do anything useful) or they get really complicated and you can't figure out what they are saying. Hopefully I can find good examples to learn from and learn by trial and error. lol |
| 14:44.25 | Disconnect | |Jeff|: headfirst uses the same methods as the 'dummies' books and similar, but with advanced topics. makes it real easy to learn quickly. |
| 14:45.10 | |Jeff| | cool. I have heard Java is very similar to C. I also have heard Java is slower then C... So why is everything Java??? |
| 14:46.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | java really isn't like C |
| 14:46.19 | igorgue | |Jeff|: optimization is not the must important thing... |
| 14:47.02 | |Jeff| | Is Java easier then C? Better libraries? More open? |
| 14:47.09 | igorgue | with platforms like .NET or Java you can develop software really fast... avoiding a lot of mistakes you make in C with things like a garbage collector for example |
| 14:47.26 | igorgue | anyone? album-art -> songs? |
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| 14:48.09 | igorgue | I'm googling now... sorry for asking before searching :P |
| 14:48.28 | michaelnovakjr_ | sorry, haven't looked at the music player yet |
| 14:48.30 | igorgue | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/fcd3ba6414e5eb96/9f93c11d76bad946?show_docid=9f93c11d76bad946&pli=1 |
| 14:48.52 | igorgue | my very same question |
| 14:49.35 | Ramblurr | does anyone know how (or know of an example) of a paging listview, where the datastructure in the backend contains more items than what's displayed? |
| 14:49.47 | Ramblurr | and as the user scrolls more items are retrieved |
| 14:50.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | Disconnect: so it looks like i found my project to work on.... write a better mail client with exchange support :) |
| 14:50.30 | Disconnect | suits me, the old one is a mess. although i'm already out of space and i've barely got anything installed.. maybe write a mail client that uses sd card for storage too |
| 14:50.44 | michaelnovakjr_ | definitely |
| 14:50.51 | Disconnect | (that'd be a good place for browser cache too..) |
| 14:51.02 | michaelnovakjr_ | it doesn't use it? |
| 14:51.27 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: nope. according to app manager its 18 megs on main storage, clearing cache wiped that out. |
| 14:51.38 | michaelnovakjr_ | damn |
| 14:52.36 | Disconnect | seems like a "dump replacable things" call would be useful, instead of making me go into browser and dump cache every time it warns :( |
| 14:53.02 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, kinda like garbage collection :) |
| 14:53.21 | Disconnect | yah for storage items tho |
| 14:53.25 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea |
| 14:53.29 | michaelnovakjr_ | like browser cache |
| 14:53.42 | michaelnovakjr_ | geek attempt at a joke :) |
| 14:54.29 | Disconnect | probably wouldn't have gotten the phone if he'd realized how locked down it was. |
| 14:54.45 | Disconnect | its one thing to prevent hackery. its another to prevent (eg) removing and replacing the shipped apps... |
| 14:54.59 | jbq | what can't you replace? |
| 14:55.09 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'd like to get it running on n810 |
| 14:55.13 | Disconnect | according to romainguy_ the imap problems are fixed in dev. but short of renaming it and reinstalling it (see above note about storage..) its not gonna do any good. |
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| 14:57.05 | jbq | If you could remove it, you couldn't do a factory reset any more and get back to the original state. |
| 14:58.10 | Disconnect | ...trust me, thats not an issue. i'd be fine with a factory reset that just had platform (after all, easy enough to install the rest off the net) |
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| 14:58.50 | calmfur1 | sorry should have been specific has anyone got the dalvik source compiled and running on an x86 platform |
| 15:00.29 | jbq | Going back, FWIW, there are 2 different mechanisms that apps can use to automatically free up some storage space. I don't think that the browser currently uses any of them. |
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| 15:07.40 | Disconnect | bug #1068 filed |
| 15:08.20 | jbq | thanks |
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| 15:23.45 | Disconnect | yaaah how do i get gmote server to f'ing die?? |
| 15:24.25 | Disconnect | it just sits there playing music at me and hiding |
| 15:25.45 | Ramblurr | anyone know where in the source tree the GMail app is? |
| 15:26.08 | Disconnect | its not |
| 15:27.52 | Ramblurr | hmm you're right, http://source.android.com/projects it's not in the "core" |
| 15:27.59 | Disconnect | its closed source |
| 15:28.17 | michaelnovakjr_ | Disconnect: ?? |
| 15:28.20 | Ramblurr | i wanted to see how they implemented the paging listview, so when you scroll to the bottom of the list it loads more emails on the fly |
| 15:28.28 | michaelnovakjr_ | is that different from the Email app? |
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| 15:28.31 | Disconnect | Ramblurr: email app does that on occasion |
| 15:28.36 | Disconnect | (and occasionally not) |
| 15:29.49 | Ramblurr | is the email app OS? |
| 15:29.56 | michaelnovakjr_ | yes |
| 15:30.04 | michaelnovakjr_ | its in packages/apps |
| 15:30.10 | Disconnect | michaelnovakjr: ? |
| 15:30.31 | michaelnovakjr_ | Email app is in packages/apps.... theres a GMail app in addition to that? |
| 15:30.44 | Disconnect | ooh i can use shazam to figure out what song this is and lsof to find it. then i get the axe. |
| 15:31.02 | Disconnect | on the phone, gmail app. its similar to the j2me version, only better (except it only does one account) |
| 15:31.13 | michaelnovakjr_ | ah i see |
| 15:31.23 | michaelnovakjr_ | they need to ship the emulator with all these apps on it |
| 15:31.45 | Disconnect | unlikely to ahppen |
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| 15:31.46 | michaelnovakjr_ | i don't see the issue with it |
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| 15:32.02 | Disconnect | ugh. all morning its on edge. stupid f'ing thing. i can stream video to/from my mbp but the phone can't even stay barely connected |
| 15:32.57 | Disconnect | oh thats just brilliant. the song doesn't seem to exist on my laptop. (wtf?? sigh) |
| 15:37.43 | SanMehat | morning |
| 15:39.14 | Disconnect | and its in loop. i'm gonna throw this thing through a window. |
| 15:39.31 | SanMehat | whats going on? |
| 15:39.45 | Disconnect | gmote started something playing, and won't stop or change or anything. even when its killed off. |
| 15:39.53 | Disconnect | and i can't find it in the ps list |
| 15:40.02 | SanMehat | its playing audio? |
| 15:40.03 | SanMehat | ps -t? |
| 15:40.05 | Disconnect | yah |
| 15:40.28 | SanMehat | oh. its playing audio on what.. the device? |
| 15:40.30 | Disconnect | i just went over everything, no luck. and i can't even find the file |
| 15:40.32 | Disconnect | on the mbp |
| 15:40.36 | SanMehat | mbp? |
| 15:40.49 | Disconnect | macbook |
| 15:41.26 | SanMehat | oh |
| 15:41.34 | Disconnect | ok its officially found a song that is not in my itunes library. and 'locate' can't find anything like it either. and its definitely looping |
| 15:41.53 | SanMehat | sorry man, i dont really know much about macs :) |
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| 15:42.31 | Disconnect | oh neat. it can play 2 songs at once. this is not better. |
| 15:42.47 | SanMehat | haha |
| 15:43.15 | Disconnect | oh thats lovely. the -new- song is playing via itunes. kill that off.. old song is still playing. |
| 15:43.19 | Disconnect | and there was only one itunes proc |
| 15:43.31 | Disconnect | i refuse to reboot to get this thing to stfu but .. might have to. |
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| 15:44.10 | SanMehat | so you cant find *anything* in ps? |
| 15:44.12 | SanMehat | wierd. |
| 15:44.24 | SanMehat | you can't query to see who has the audio device open on macos? |
| 15:45.17 | plusminus_ | doesn't sth lik android:columnSpan exist for TableLayout ? |
| 15:45.22 | plusminus_ | or TableRow... |
| 15:45.27 | illuminum | is there a shell application yet? |
| 15:45.29 | illuminum | anywhere? |
| 15:45.31 | illuminum | even in development? |
| 15:45.36 | illuminum | some kind of terminal app |
| 15:45.46 | plusminus_ | connectbot? |
| 15:45.58 | illuminum | doesn't work for me, plus i'm interested in localhost |
| 15:46.04 | wastrel | no shell. |
| 15:46.07 | plusminus_ | kk |
| 15:46.13 | illuminum | i.e. the android shell itself, though i'd be semi-content with connectbot if it worked |
| 15:46.22 | illuminum | ever or just for the time being? |
| 15:46.35 | wastrel | currently or in the near future afaik |
| 15:46.42 | illuminum | icic |
| 15:47.41 | illuminum | so connectbot works for you guys? |
| 15:47.54 | wastrel | to connect to remote hosts yes it's worked |
| 15:48.33 | illuminum | ic, i never get the rsa fingerprint prompt |
| 15:48.36 | Disconnect | illuminum: 'adb shell' from the sdk |
| 15:48.37 | illuminum | just a blank screen |
| 15:48.40 | illuminum | sook |
| 15:48.47 | Disconnect | illuminum: it doesn't prompt. and it only supports password auth :/ |
| 15:49.02 | illuminum | password auth? how do i do that? |
| 15:49.15 | illuminum | login:pass@host ? |
| 15:50.04 | illuminum | or do i put my public key string in character for character somewhere? |
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| 15:51.20 | Disconnect | no the server can offer 'password' auth which is cleartext password wrapped with ssl |
| 15:51.57 | Disconnect | most servers use 'interactive' which is a challenge-response |
| 15:52.52 | illuminum | aye |
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| 15:56.45 | Fiyuri | http://www.clanplanet.de/_sites/index.asp?rn=&clanid=10972 |
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| 15:59.01 | theCarpenter | would there be anything stopping me from converting the package manager (Marketplace) into a regular installable app you can simulate in the emulator? |
| 16:01.47 | illuminum | cool i got in |
| 16:01.54 | illuminum | had to mod my sshd_config |
| 16:02.03 | illuminum | vim works |
| 16:02.04 | illuminum | excellent |
| 16:02.29 | illuminum | anyone know where the escape key is on a g1? |
| 16:03.26 | illuminum | argh is there no escape key |
| 16:08.41 | SanMehat | i'm not sure.. you may need to bind another key for your meta |
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| 16:08.51 | batteryface | Is 3G required to operate the G1? |
| 16:09.06 | SanMehat | batteryface: no, but its preferred. |
| 16:09.26 | batteryface | I was told that you could not interact with the phone at all if you did not have 3G. |
| 16:09.41 | SanMehat | you were told wrong. |
| 16:09.49 | batteryface | Stupid sales associate. I figured. |
| 16:09.50 | SanMehat | it works over EDGE, but just not as fast obviously |
| 16:10.19 | batteryface | I'm not looking to use the browser...etc on any kind of cell network. I only wish to use it on my wifi network. |
| 16:10.45 | SanMehat | what do you want to use it for? |
| 16:10.45 | batteryface | I'll use EDGE for the phone though. I am just intrigued by Android. I really don't care about anything else. |
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| 16:19.40 | batteryface | Those mobile vendors really need to think about who they hire. |
| 16:19.56 | batteryface | They probably lose a ton of customers because of false information. |
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| 16:27.07 | outbri | what do you do in eclipse when you get this error? Android Editors (0.8.0.v200809220836-110569) requires plug-in "org.eclipse.wst.sse.ui". |
| 16:28.01 | Disconnect | batteryface: correct info costs more than incorrect |
| 16:28.20 | Disconnect | hiring-wise that is |
| 16:30.27 | outbri | ^ I get that error when I try to set up the https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ plugin. |
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| 16:40.30 | romainguy | Ramblurr: i wanted to see how they implemented the paging listview, so when you scroll to the bottom of the list it loads more emails on the fly << you can look at the source of the Email application for this |
| 16:41.02 | Ramblurr | romainguy: hey thanks, i'll have a look |
| 16:41.17 | Ramblurr | romainguy: you're the/an android dev working on listview right? |
| 16:41.23 | romainguy | yes |
| 16:41.41 | romainguy | (gotta run, see ya) |
| 16:41.46 | Ramblurr | thanks, later |
| 16:42.30 | illuminum | sucks i can't map shit to : from insert mode in vim |
| 16:42.46 | illuminum | crapcrap sucky sucky oh well i guess i cant code on the shitter just yet |
| 16:43.13 | illuminum | :o zodttd |
| 16:44.04 | Disconnect | damnit its still playing |
| 16:44.45 | SanMehat | Disconnect: reboot man! |
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| 16:45.07 | Disconnect | :( |
| 16:45.16 | SanMehat | i know i know |
| 16:45.17 | SanMehat | it sucks |
| 16:45.22 | SanMehat | but you gotta think of your *sanity* |
| 16:45.26 | Disconnect | mute |
| 16:45.36 | SanMehat | haha |
| 16:45.45 | SanMehat | tenacious bastard :) |
| 16:49.30 | Disconnect | ok so a datetime picker in eclipse is .. just awful. huge and a half. total mess. is it that bad in the device or is it ok? hoping it would have reasonable defaults |
| 16:50.35 | waldo_ | is back (gone 07:02:55) |
| 16:50.51 | SanMehat | where were you? :) |
| 16:52.25 | yakischloba | haha |
| 16:52.31 | Disconnect | clearly we should all be deeply concerned about his idles and unidles :) |
| 16:53.41 | yakischloba | i am |
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| 16:55.32 | theCarpenter | so, would there be anything stopping me from converting the package manager (Marketplace) into a regular installable app you can simulate in the emulator? |
| 16:56.02 | SanMehat | hey VickiWong |
| 16:57.01 | VickiWong | hello SanMehat :) how are you? |
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| 16:58.28 | SanMehat | good :) |
| 16:58.32 | SanMehat | oh *theres* waldo |
| 16:58.39 | SanMehat | (that *never* gets old for me) |
| 16:58.53 | VickiWong | lol |
| 16:58.58 | waldo_ | or me. |
| 16:59.51 | SanMehat | hahaha |
| 16:59.58 | SanMehat | sorry.. :) |
| 17:00.20 | waldo_ | no worries |
| 17:00.23 | waldo_ | used to it |
| 17:00.42 | Disconnect | yay yay yay i found the problem. it opened something in a web browser somewhere that was playing tuneage |
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| 17:01.49 | Disconnect | ooooooooh damn its not gmote's fault. thats right. i found a TOS violating site @ work and it had an autoplay. doh. (it was a hooker advertising various massages, all with "sensual release".. and "tasteful" nudity on her pics.. neither of which we allow..) |
| 17:01.59 | Disconnect | i withdraw all the terrible things i said about it :) |
| 17:03.03 | SanMehat | hahaha |
| 17:03.28 | Disconnect | didn't think about it - found it last night, still had the thing muted |
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| 17:03.37 | Disconnect | then today when i loaded up gmote, i hit play before i unmuted... |
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| 17:06.12 | jadams | is there a way to transfer files to the G1 over the wireless network? Do any apps exist for this? |
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| 17:06.57 | Disconnect | get it via browser |
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| 17:08.35 | Surye | Hmm.. so is there no way to develop on hardware using 64bit Vista? |
| 17:08.40 | Surye | "If you're developing on Windows (32-bit only), you need to install the USB driver for adb: " |
| 17:09.14 | muthu | yo yo yo |
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| 17:11.36 | Disconnect | sure there is. get a virtualbox 32bit ubuntu box :) |
| 17:12.00 | Surye | Incidentally, that's is booting as we speak :P |
| 17:12.42 | calmfur1 | logout |
| 17:12.44 | Disconnect | lol |
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| 17:13.59 | calmfur1 | :-[ |
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| 17:14.17 | Disconnect | and for the record, again, i hate xml layouts. or they hate me. |
| 17:14.30 | Disconnect | calmfur1: not you |
| 17:14.31 | malcom_ | someone can tell me what's the best book around for Android development (http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_ss_b?url=search-alias%3Dstripbooks&field-keywords=google+android&x=0&y=0) |
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| 17:14.35 | malcom_ | ? |
| 17:15.33 | malcom_ | Professional Android Application Development seems to be a great choice |
| 17:15.51 | malcom_ | but it's not released yet |
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| 17:20.55 | mpardo | I have an activity that i want to display a toast message in and then immediately close the activity. how do i do this? |
| 17:22.05 | mpardo | this is what i have and it's not working... |
| 17:22.14 | mpardo | Toast.makeText(this.getBaseContext(), "Contact added", Toast.LENGTH_LONG); |
| 17:22.15 | mpardo | this.finish(); |
| 17:22.45 | qvark | mpardo: why not? |
| 17:22.51 | mpardo | dunno... lol |
| 17:23.30 | qvark | mpardo: but the activity is finished right after the toast is shown |
| 17:23.49 | mpardo | the toast doesn't show... the activity just finishes |
| 17:24.46 | qvark | mpardo: you can send yourself a delayed message and call finish() when received |
| 17:25.08 | mpardo | explain plz |
| 17:25.32 | qvark | mpardo: let me 2 min to find an example |
| 17:25.53 | mpardo | ok |
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| 17:33.02 | qvark | mpardo: something like: |
| 17:33.04 | qvark | Toast.makeText(...) |
| 17:33.04 | qvark | new Handler().postDelayed(new Runnable() { |
| 17:33.04 | qvark | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.04 | qvark | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.04 | qvark | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.05 | qvark | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:33.24 | mpardo | ok thx |
| 17:33.28 | umdk1d3 | that isnt duration in MS |
| 17:33.33 | umdk1d3 | its either a constant SHORT or LONG |
| 17:33.37 | umdk1d3 | ohwait |
| 17:33.38 | umdk1d3 | lol |
| 17:33.38 | umdk1d3 | sr |
| 17:33.42 | qvark | ;) |
| 17:33.43 | umdk1d3 | thought that was related to the toast |
| 17:34.17 | umdk1d3 | needs more coffee |
| 17:35.14 | mpardo | and on the topic of toast duration, can you set the duration to a custom time besides short or long? |
| 17:36.04 | qvark | I never have managed to do it |
| 17:36.20 | qvark | if you find a way I would like to know |
| 17:36.23 | mpardo | ok |
| 17:36.55 | umdk1d3 | by design you can only choose between SHORT and LONG |
| 17:37.19 | Disconnect | didn't i see an amarok remote somewhere? |
| 17:37.36 | kunthecronos | quit |
| 17:37.40 | Disconnect | no |
| 17:37.54 | kunthecronos | ops sorry :S |
| 17:38.00 | Disconnect | :) |
| 17:38.01 | Ramblurr | is android.media.MediaFile not in the latest sdk? |
| 17:40.03 | yakischloba | Hrm. In my apartment in the supposedly rich service area my signal is so bad that I'm actually missing calls. |
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| 17:46.59 | muthu | yakischloba: welcome to shitty carrier networks |
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| 17:51.06 | jaek_ | anyone know if there is an ssh client? |
| 17:51.06 | tparkin | #connectbot |
| 17:51.06 | tparkin | http://code.google.com/p/connectbot/ |
| 17:53.34 | umdk1d3 | ill check it |
| 17:54.10 | jaek_ | seems like nobody ported a ssh client to android? |
| 17:54.26 | spikebike | er |
| 17:54.32 | spikebike | how is connectbot not a shh client? |
| 17:54.49 | hrhr | hi, anybody have experience to run android on nokia n8x0 builded from latest opened sources? |
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| 17:57.04 | tparkin | jaek_: did you see the links I posted? |
| 17:57.44 | jaek_ | oh that was for me? checking... |
| 17:58.03 | jaek_ | ah sweet, thanks |
| 17:58.12 | tparkin | yep |
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| 18:00.17 | jaek_ | hmm i don't get the name... why connectbot? |
| 18:01.02 | tparkin | jaek_: ask in #connectbot probably |
| 18:01.03 | umdk1d3 | jaek_: at least its not qtpfsgui :P |
| 18:01.18 | spikebike | I'm unclear if it can handle ssh keys |
| 18:01.30 | umdk1d3 | spikebike: still work in progress |
| 18:01.48 | spikebike | ah, saw the button |
| 18:02.00 | spikebike | but it was greyed out, I thought it was my fault |
| 18:02.20 | umdk1d3 | AWESOME |
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| 18:02.32 | umdk1d3 | weve got scripting now ^.^ |
| 18:02.39 | benley | oh? |
| 18:02.40 | umdk1d3 | so that it can "screen -dr" when you login or something |
| 18:02.44 | benley | ah nice |
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| 18:04.52 | jaek_ | hmm now that i have a ssh client... the only thing left is vpning in ;) |
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| 18:07.15 | Disconnect | jaek_: good luck. it'll require jailbreaking - vpns don't work so hot without root |
| 18:07.46 | spikebike | oh, g1 protects root? |
| 18:07.47 | jaek_ | lol was just kidding, it would be sweet if sun ported their punchin client to android |
| 18:08.30 | benley | dammit I need to get a hold of a regular retail phone so I can figure out what all these restrictions are |
| 18:08.32 | Disconnect | could use openvpn reall ybad |
| 18:08.45 | benley | Disconnect: grab the source, start hacking it in :) |
| 18:08.53 | Disconnect | benley: can't flash retail phones |
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| 18:09.09 | benley | Disconnect: yes, but I expect that if such a feature goes upstream it will eventually show up in retail devices |
| 18:09.11 | Disconnect | (for fscks sake will someone stick that in the topic already?? its not like it doesn't come up about once an hour... :/ ..) |
| 18:09.25 | benley | Disconnect: and I also expect that you'll be able to get a flashable phone sooner or later |
| 18:09.29 | Disconnect | first google has to approve it. then tmob - and thats unlikely, they want to charge for vpn access.. |
| 18:09.42 | umdk1d3 | Disconnect: seconded, it should be in topic |
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| 18:10.18 | jaek_ | is there a repo or something for opensource free apps not in market? |
| 18:10.21 | Disconnect | benley: and for the record i'm not annoyed about you asking, since its not actually posted anywhere :) |
| 18:10.35 | Disconnect | jaek_: tons. andappstore.com slideme.com .. others. (google it..) |
| 18:10.41 | benley | Disconnect: oh I know you can't flash retail phones |
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| 18:10.55 | loke | what sucks... |
| 18:10.58 | loke | that |
| 18:11.04 | benley | Disconnect: (well, you can actually, but only with firmware that's been signed with the appropriate key) |
| 18:11.18 | Disconnect | and you can't even overwrite existing apps.. so the totally fucked up and broken email app is stuck until tmob bothers to fix it. |
| 18:11.42 | benley | you could still put a different email app along side the existing one. |
| 18:11.47 | benley | just change its namespaces around. |
| 18:12.01 | loke | Disconnect: thanks for making sure that I don't ever get one of the tmobile phones then :-) |
| 18:12.19 | Disconnect | yep. except its got basically no onboard storage for apps.. i've got hardly anything installed and the browser is filling it up all the time (20M cache.. so then i get a notification about out of space and an option to uninstall stuff..) |
| 18:12.21 | loke | goes back to waiting for a non-branded one to come out form HTC |
| 18:12.34 | Disconnect | loke: its a disaster, it really is. |
| 18:12.52 | benley | wonders why he doesn't run into the disk space issue very often |
| 18:12.53 | loke | Disconnect: it's a US phone company, I didn't expect anythign else really |
| 18:12.56 | Disconnect | filed something like 25 bugs yesterday, most of them of the "makes this app/function/phone useless" variaty |
| 18:13.08 | Disconnect | benley: on a phone or on the emu? |
| 18:13.12 | benley | Disconnect: phone |
| 18:13.33 | benley | Disconnect: I've run out of space a few times, but each time I go and find that I have an app I'm not using that eats a couple of meg, so I remove it |
| 18:13.37 | Disconnect | dunno. i've got a bunch of apps but most of them are under a meg. doing some image-heavy web browsing tho (dailystrips comic strips) |
| 18:14.12 | benley | if the browser is breaking the whole OS by filling up the disk, that's a problem :-P |
| 18:14.33 | Disconnect | yep. not 'breaking' but certainly 'causing notifications and warnings'... |
| 18:14.44 | eggy | ^-~ |
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| 18:14.54 | gdsx | Disconnect: note that the partition that the browser uses to cache things and the partition that apps are installed onto are separate |
| 18:15.35 | gdsx | jham_: hey |
| 18:15.37 | Disconnect | thats good.. but 'manage apps' shows 20M (sometimes more) of "browser data" that shrinks when i hit 'dump cache' .. adn the notifications stop |
| 18:15.47 | jham_ | gdsx: Hey |
| 18:16.07 | benley | interesting |
| 18:18.02 | gdsx | Disconnect: if you do `adb shell`, does `df` show anything useful for you? |
| 18:18.08 | Disconnect | yah lemme get it real quick |
| 18:18.45 | Disconnect | http://pastie.org/300464 |
| 18:19.20 | wastrel | ok i ported my number over to my g1 |
| 18:19.34 | Disconnect | cool |
| 18:19.52 | Disconnect | its an ok phone. speaker feels weirdly placed to me (i know its mostly centered) but otherwise not bad. |
| 18:21.10 | spikebike | is pleased with the g1 |
| 18:21.21 | spikebike | I wanted an n800 with a cell connection |
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| 18:22.06 | spikebike | I got a nicer looking framework, better devel tools, and other fun stuff like an accelerometer, compass, etc. |
| 18:22.14 | spikebike | oh and a keyboard |
| 18:22.18 | gdsx | Disconnect: I'll talk to some folks. I don't know why the browser would be storing stuff in /data, though |
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| 18:28.12 | mpardo | i have a question for those of you who own a g1 |
| 18:28.23 | mpardo | when a local call comes in does the area code show? |
| 18:28.36 | spikebike | tests |
| 18:28.45 | benley | mpardo: think so, yes |
| 18:28.48 | mpardo | k |
| 18:28.52 | Disconnect | gdsx: maybe its not fixing it, but the notifications go away.. |
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| 18:29.00 | benley | mpardo: callerID on gsm networks in the US always seems to include the area code |
| 18:29.18 | spikebike | mpardo yup |
| 18:29.23 | mpardo | ok cool |
| 18:29.24 | spikebike | even includes the 1 |
| 18:29.32 | mpardo | ah nice |
| 18:29.37 | benley | yeah - the number should always be call-back-able :) |
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| 18:30.23 | mpardo | i've tested at work with a colleagues g1 but his area code is not local so i wasn't sure |
| 18:31.05 | spikebike | is now sure |
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| 18:33.41 | nickname | hi, I want to buy a G1 but I cannot see BioWallet in the market |
| 18:34.02 | nickname | any of you has found that application? |
| 18:35.45 | wastrel | http://www.biowallet.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=8&Itemid=9 |
| 18:36.32 | mpardo | omfg i'm retarded... who was here when i asked about the toast message not showing when i did activity.finish() |
| 18:37.51 | mpardo | qvark: the toast wasn't showing because i didn't tell it to... look at the code i posted and you'll see it's missing |
| 18:38.19 | nickname | wastrel: ops! I checked their site looking for a "Download" section but I didn't notice this... I guess I need more coffee |
| 18:39.38 | nickname | I thought the ADC finalist have received a G1 some weeks ago to do some testing |
| 18:39.56 | Disconnect | you'd think so.... |
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| 18:40.58 | nickname | that would explain why not all the ADC apps are in the market |
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| 18:43.03 | mmu_man | oh, crowded here :) |
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| 18:46.02 | mpardo | is there an Eclipse shortct key for collapse all? |
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| 18:48.49 | Earlobes | should I learn java before I learn Android? |
| 18:49.00 | SanMehat | yes |
| 18:49.02 | defconoi | java is android |
| 18:50.57 | Earlobes | k thanks |
| 18:53.08 | mpardo | what formatting can i apply to toast strings? |
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| 19:01.00 | spikebike | any news on the rumored RC28 g1 release? |
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| 19:05.26 | defconoi | where did u see this rumor |
| 19:05.49 | tweakt | how do I reference my main activity from a broadcast receiver? I need to update the view based on received events |
| 19:06.13 | spikebike | umm, dunno, just saw it mentioned that it was due about now |
| 19:06.37 | defconoi | I wish I could manually update and install a ssh server on this thing with a freakn rootshell |
| 19:06.55 | tweakt | oh wait, the Context supported in onReceive is my activity right? Should I just downcast to get at my internals? |
| 19:07.40 | spikebike | supposedly all g1s will get it within the next 48 or so |
| 19:07.44 | tweakt | or should do it all in code, with registerReceiver ? |
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| 19:16.14 | ivantis | ⦠|
| 19:16.24 | ivantis | is this for the google android thing? |
| 19:16.40 | jasta | yes |
| 19:16.50 | ivantis | cool |
| 19:17.05 | jasta | but this channel is generally developer oriented |
| 19:17.07 | ivantis | infobot: info |
| 19:17.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | what up jasta |
| 19:17.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | how's the phone? |
| 19:17.30 | jasta | not much, really sore from the gym :) |
| 19:17.35 | ivantis | you could call me a developer |
| 19:17.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, liking the phone? |
| 19:17.56 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: good, i'm doing some experiments right now to test how to get a persistent keep-alive connection going even after the phone sleeps (for IMAP IDLE) |
| 19:17.59 | cannedfish | eh this _network_ is developer oriented :) |
| 19:18.11 | ivantis | freenode, yes |
| 19:18.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | jasta, i'm going to mess around with the Email app actually |
| 19:18.28 | jasta | michaelnovakjr__: me too, i already am. i've been reading the code for days now, and am ready to hack |
| 19:18.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | same here |
| 19:18.47 | jasta | unfortunately, because of its design i will need to do some major changes just to get the code base prepared for my feature |
| 19:19.02 | jasta | in particular, the MessagingController paradigm is all wrong for |
| 19:19.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | working on imap features? |
| 19:19.05 | jasta | for IMAP IDLE. |
| 19:19.24 | jasta | because the idea is that the service and activity cannot be separated into multiple processes. they communicate over the same thread (not using IPC) |
| 19:19.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | hm |
| 19:19.46 | jasta | so this must be changed in order to support IMAP IDLE, this way the background idling service can be separate from the activities |
| 19:20.27 | spikebike | er isn't keeping the network alive contrary to the idea of sleeping? |
| 19:21.37 | cliff | you can keep a socket open while keeping a PDP context closed |
| 19:21.49 | cliff | as long as both sides know how to deal with it |
| 19:21.53 | cliff | this is how exchange activesync works |
| 19:22.32 | cliff | IMAP IDLE doesn't know directly how to deal with this |
| 19:22.38 | defconoi | create an irc app |
| 19:22.39 | cliff | you'd need a proxy server that can |
| 19:22.48 | defconoi | ;) |
| 19:22.49 | defconoi | gIRC |
| 19:23.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | i believe there already is one |
| 19:23.09 | defconoi | really? |
| 19:23.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'm pretty sure |
| 19:23.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | your google skills must not be sharp :) |
| 19:23.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | check out anddev.org or helloandroid.com |
| 19:23.40 | defconoi | http://code.google.com/p/next-irc/ |
| 19:23.41 | defconoi | found it |
| 19:23.42 | michaelnovakjr__ | they have an app list i believe |
| 19:25.13 | spikebike | This project currently has no downloads. |
| 19:25.16 | spikebike | booo |
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| 19:26.26 | wastrel | so i called to have my number ported to the G1, about an hour ago - but my g1 is still showing the old num. in the phone info |
| 19:26.30 | defconoi | a root shell would make me more happy with andoid |
| 19:26.34 | wastrel | should i reset the phone or call t-mob? |
| 19:26.46 | ttuttle | wastrel: Call T-Mobile first. |
| 19:26.49 | defconoi | it would be funny if it uses apt with repo's lol |
| 19:27.08 | mmattice | wastrel: my phone didn't show the new number until after my old phone was disconnected |
| 19:30.06 | Disconnect | ok i've never had a device that had anywhere -near- this much trouble with wifi :( |
| 19:30.10 | wastrel | that's one vote for call and one for wait. wait is less effort :] |
| 19:30.12 | jasta | spikebike: there is a special way to keep a connection alive that the carriers support to do push e-mail and other things |
| 19:30.48 | mmattice | wastrel: try calling something to see if tmo has switched it in their system |
| 19:30.49 | wastrel | mmattice: will the number just change eventually? or will i have to do something on the device? |
| 19:31.18 | mmu_man | anyone checked for a possible port to the OpenMoko FreeRunner yet ? |
| 19:31.22 | mmattice | I got an sms that welcomed me to tmo after it was changed and after that I looked and it was changed in the settings |
| 19:31.34 | mmu_man | there is a qemu diff to emulate it partially |
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| 19:31.38 | wastrel | i got the sms but it hasn't changed in the settings |
| 19:31.39 | Disconnect | mmu_man: its being worked on evidently. but you need a usb keyboard. |
| 19:31.51 | Disconnect | wastrel: restart? |
| 19:31.56 | mmu_man | Disconnect I don't have it anyway, just qemu :p |
| 19:32.02 | wastrel | i've turned the phone off but haven't done a reset |
| 19:32.07 | mmu_man | I'll be working on porting Haiku to it someday... |
| 19:32.10 | mmattice | I actually got a couple of those messages |
| 19:32.32 | mmu_man | Disconnect do you mean it's been started or not yet ? |
| 19:35.12 | mpardo | how can i disable an item in a listview? or gray it out? |
| 19:35.42 | Disconnect | ok the itunes remote is slick |
| 19:36.03 | Disconnect | wishes he wasn't struggling with simple layouts and interactions :( but there ya go.. |
| 19:36.15 | spikebike | jasta ah interesting, figured in the interest of power that in sleep mode you'd just send a close and then re-establish on wake up |
| 19:36.24 | spikebike | I have to say the g1 multitasks well |
| 19:36.54 | spikebike | I was using gtalk... sent a MMS... took a picture... sent a MMS, continues the gtalk |
| 19:37.21 | spikebike | definitely multitasks (or gives the appearance of) better than anything else I've used |
| 19:37.35 | Disconnect | it actually multitasks |
| 19:37.39 | Disconnect | linux |
| 19:38.34 | spikebike | well hard to tell between a good suspend/restore and multitask |
| 19:39.04 | cannedfish | multitasking is a good suspend/restore :) |
| 19:39.08 | spikebike | heh |
| 19:39.24 | spikebike | well without top/ps it's hard to see if things are actually running and taking up ram |
| 19:40.53 | spikebike | the nokia 800 for instance runs linux and doesn't do nearly as well |
| 19:43.48 | spikebike | I'm kinda surprised I've not heard more about dalvik |
| 19:43.57 | romainguy | spikebike: that's what made me drop my iPhone |
| 19:44.12 | Disconnect | hold down home. last 6ish items. |
| 19:44.17 | spikebike | yeah, everytime I thought of something cool to do I ended up wanting to run in the background |
| 19:44.32 | mpardo | is there anyway to disable or gray out a listview item? |
| 19:44.34 | Disconnect | with sdk you can run a shell over usb. |
| 19:45.31 | spikebike | oh sweel, thanks disconnect |
| 19:45.32 | spikebike | t |
| 19:45.54 | romainguy | mpagano_: yes, look at the methods in the adapter |
| 19:45.58 | Disconnect | with sdk ddms shows all -sorts- of good things about whats running inside the java vms |
| 19:47.18 | Disconnect | ok time to get clean and go to the butcher. its a huge-steak kind of evening. |
| 19:47.44 | spikebike | I wonder if any other languages will target dalvik |
| 19:47.55 | spikebike | has anyone seen a dalvik vs anything else benchmark? |
| 19:48.13 | romainguy | spikebike: you can't really compare without running the same OS/hardware |
| 19:48.37 | spikebike | true |
| 19:48.51 | romainguy | but |
| 19:48.54 | romainguy | if you want good news: |
| 19:48.55 | waldo_ | is away: auto-away |
| 19:48.57 | spikebike | or the same emulator |
| 19:48.58 | romainguy | - Dalvik is interpreted |
| 19:49.06 | romainguy | - 2D rendering is not hardware accelerated |
| 19:49.14 | romainguy | - the Garbage Collector is very simple |
| 19:49.23 | romainguy | so basically there are tons of things we can do to make apps even faster |
| 19:49.27 | spikebike | wow, I assumed 2d used the bitblt hardware |
| 19:49.32 | romainguy | well |
| 19:49.34 | spikebike | it feels pretty good to me |
| 19:49.41 | geist | that assumes bitblt exists |
| 19:49.43 | romainguy | the windows compositing is hardware accelerated |
| 19:49.44 | spikebike | n800 doesn't either, despite support on the cpu |
| 19:49.56 | romainguy | but the drawing onto the windows is not |
| 19:50.14 | geist | using the gpu gets a little hairy on power constrained devices |
| 19:50.21 | spikebike | dunno |
| 19:50.23 | geist | a lot of times you dont want to use it, even if it looks better |
| 19:50.34 | geist | because spooling up all that silicon costs battery |
| 19:50.34 | spikebike | bitblt should take less power using a gpu than the cpu |
| 19:50.41 | spikebike | true |
| 19:50.44 | geist | not necessarilly |
| 19:50.54 | spikebike | depends how long you bitblt |
| 19:51.02 | romainguy | geist: in this case it's more because the hardware is not easy to use for our 2d library |
| 19:51.08 | geist | romainguy: yeah |
| 19:51.23 | geist | but even if it was, it's not always a slam dunk in these things |
| 19:51.33 | geist | it really depends on how good the gpu does it's own power management |
| 19:51.39 | geist | and how fast it can get out of suspend |
| 19:51.44 | spikebike | obviously the g1 cpu/gpu combination works pretty welll.... unfortunately this leads to laptop like utilization.... which leads to draining the battery pretty quick |
| 19:52.13 | geist | and for folks like android they always will need the software fallback, and have it be good performance |
| 19:52.15 | romainguy | the gpu is not used unless you use OpenGL basically |
| 19:52.18 | Disconnect | spikebike: part of that is that the default battery calibration is junk on most units |
| 19:52.25 | geist | since they can't design for any given piece of hardware |
| 19:52.27 | spikebike | oh, interesting |
| 19:52.38 | spikebike | is there a possible fix or just replace the hardware? |
| 19:52.42 | Disconnect | more than tripled his battery life by just training it twice (drain till it won't turn on, then charge 8+ hours continuous) |
| 19:52.47 | Disconnect | just retrain it |
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| 19:52.55 | spikebike | ah, I'll try that |
| 19:52.58 | romainguy | yeah the battery suck to indicate us the charge level |
| 19:53.05 | Disconnect | also, if you are out of 3g areas turn off 3g |
| 19:53.09 | spikebike | already did that |
| 19:53.14 | Disconnect | romainguy: can i get that in english? :) |
| 19:53.23 | geist | it probably has it's own coulomb counter on the battery microcontroller |
| 19:53.26 | spikebike | although office mate didn't and watched his battery die pretty qucik |
| 19:53.32 | geist | and those need calibration, yeah |
| 19:53.34 | romainguy | Disconnect: the battery sucks at indicating its charge level |
| 19:53.38 | Disconnect | ah. yah. |
| 19:53.40 | spikebike | to be honest for most things the edge performance is pretty good (even youtube, streetview, and maps) |
| 19:53.43 | Disconnect | standard problem these days tho |
| 19:53.50 | spikebike | not sure I'd run 3g all the time even in a 3g area |
| 19:53.50 | romainguy | there are hardware solutions |
| 19:53.53 | romainguy | but they cost money |
| 19:54.00 | Disconnect | yah well |
| 19:54.02 | geist | hey, beats not having it at all. back in my day we had to guess the battery capacity based on voltage |
| 19:54.09 | geist | and that suuuuucks on li-ions |
| 19:54.20 | Disconnect | having a vaguely correct calibration is something most devices manage out of the box tho... |
| 19:54.40 | Disconnect | runs shazam and itunes remote, lets them fight it out |
| 19:56.26 | DarkriftX | that would be a great program to have or even use that one location based program to turn off your 3g when you leave 3g ranges |
| 19:56.44 | Disconnect | add it into locale |
| 19:56.50 | DarkriftX | thats waht its called.. |
| 19:56.57 | DarkriftX | doesnt it support plugins? |
| 19:57.03 | Disconnect | dunno |
| 19:57.03 | p1mrx | well, I imagine someday everything will be 3G, and they'll turn off GSM like the US recently did with AMPS |
| 19:57.13 | Disconnect | i'd hope so for as much as google paid out in prize money on it :) |
| 19:57.19 | spikebike | yeah I talked to the locale folks |
| 19:57.30 | spikebike | it really needs a if connected to this access point do X function |
| 19:57.31 | DarkriftX | well the prize money hopefully will go to making it even better |
| 19:57.40 | spikebike | i.e. turn off 3g when in my office and I can't get 3g |
| 19:57.43 | Disconnect | spikebike: it needs more than 2 "x function" options :) |
| 19:57.50 | spikebike | they sounded very ammendable |
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| 19:58.04 | spikebike | they sounded very ammenable |
| 19:58.05 | Disconnect | like "change my message notifications on these accounts when i'm at work" (it already handles "turn my ringer to X volume @ work") |
| 19:58.13 | Disconnect | ok bbl |
| 19:58.31 | DarkriftX | or it should have groups of stuff |
| 19:58.47 | spikebike | hey, does anyone know of a technical limitation of the hardware that would prevent UMA from working? |
| 19:58.57 | DarkriftX | like have a home group, and 10 tasks inside it and when you go home it would execute that group |
| 19:58.57 | spikebike | (with a software implementation) |
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| 20:08.26 | tweakt | "10-25 16:03:51.323: ERROR/AndroidRuntime(2936): java.lang.RuntimeException: Binary XML file line #2: You must supply a layout_width attribute." |
| 20:08.44 | tweakt | Hmm, I have layout_width set... what's up? |
| 20:08.57 | romainguy | looks like you don't ;) |
| 20:10.36 | tweakt | I think I know what it is |
| 20:11.01 | tweakt | I set a default namespace, instead of android:xxx for every attribute... is that a problem? |
| 20:11.09 | tweakt | seems redundant |
| 20:12.39 | tweakt | yep, that fixed one problem, now some other errors to figure out ;-) |
| 20:14.15 | michaelnovakjr__ | will the Email app run in the emulator? |
| 20:14.34 | romainguy | yes |
| 20:14.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | excellent |
| 20:16.57 | tweakt | ahh, it's working! sweet! |
| 20:17.22 | tweakt | ugly, but working |
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| 20:21.46 | mpagano | if I buy a new memory card, do I have to reinstall all of my apps? |
| 20:23.10 | gdsx | no |
| 20:23.32 | spikebike | I wish you did actually |
| 20:23.35 | jasta | mpagano: android installs all apps to internal storage, not the sd card. |
| 20:23.40 | mpagano | jasonchen: sweet |
| 20:23.49 | mpagano | jasta: nice, thanks |
| 20:23.58 | mpagano | jasonchen: sorry, nm |
| 20:24.14 | p1mrx | which also means that buying a new memory card won't let you install more apps |
| 20:24.33 | spikebike | yes |
| 20:24.35 | spikebike | yet |
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| 20:24.47 | tweakt | you could always copy all the data over to the new one on a PC anyway |
| 20:24.50 | gdsx | jbq: bonjour |
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| 20:36.37 | waldo_ | is back (gone 00:47:42) |
| 20:37.54 | spikebike | oh speaking of which I need to buy 4 8GB cards |
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| 20:39.29 | jaek_ | is there a DUN profile for the g1? |
| 20:39.31 | outbri | What do you do with 4 cards? |
| 20:41.40 | spikebike | put em in 4 g1s of course |
| 20:41.51 | jaek_ | sdptool records does not show DUN |
| 20:41.56 | commonsguy | jaek_ : i don't think so |
| 20:42.40 | jaek_ | oh sweet, now i have to carry around my old phone too |
| 20:43.13 | spikebike | bonus ;-) |
| 20:43.17 | outbri | spikebike: can I have one? :P |
| 20:43.34 | spikebike | sure, hand over $30 ;-) |
| 20:43.51 | outbri | $30 for a g1 doesn't sound too bad :P |
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| 20:44.45 | spikebike | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/25/technology/internet/25phone.html |
| 20:44.54 | spikebike | Security Flaw Is Revealed in T-Mobileâs Google Phone |
| 20:47.58 | outbri | By the same dude that found them in the macbook air |
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| 20:49.42 | spikebike | I'm kinda curious how tmo and google will handle jail breaking |
| 20:50.15 | CompBrain | Can some else try downloading the eclipse plugin from https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ |
| 20:50.22 | CompBrain | I'm getting errors in eclipse 3.4 |
| 20:50.51 | tparkin | CompBrain: I also got errors trying to upgrade to sdk 1.0 using that link |
| 20:51.05 | tparkin | so I gave up on eclipse, downloaded it manually and am using ant |
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| 20:55.06 | ivantis | does android come with perl installed? |
| 20:55.14 | commonsguy | ivantis: no |
| 20:55.19 | ivantis | lame |
| 20:55.30 | tparkin | anyone here been working on jruby on android? seen a few blogs about it.. |
| 20:55.30 | SanMehat | ivantis: port it |
| 20:55.53 | ivantis | is there a perl port for android? |
| 20:55.53 | FRITZ | puting my nose in forum... Huuu!!!! and the dance of shit started.. http://mobile.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=08/10/25/192217 |
| 20:55.59 | commonsguy | tparkin: AOT mode *might* work out of the box; JIT probably needs work for bytecode generation |
| 20:56.32 | tparkin | commonsguy: thanks but I have no clue what you said, I'm just a ruby coder looking to code on the phone :) |
| 20:56.58 | commonsguy | tparkin: sry -- AOT = Ahead-Of-Time compilation (creates Java classes out of Ruby code) |
| 20:57.01 | tparkin | I've heard it doesnt work and has to be converted to dex and only seen one blog with some success |
| 20:57.07 | ivantis | does android have stuff for C/C++ like stdout, stdin? |
| 20:57.10 | commonsguy | JIT = just-in-time (runs Ruby scripts on the fly) |
| 20:57.22 | tparkin | thanks for the clarification |
| 20:57.36 | commonsguy | invantis: not really, since this isn't a PC |
| 20:58.42 | spikebike | heh |
| 20:58.57 | spikebike | jython would be cool |
| 20:59.19 | spikebike | I wonder if dalvik will get a non-android port |
| 21:00.22 | cannedfish | it runs on linux which is a portability layer by itself |
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| 21:00.49 | gdsx | ivantis: your question isn't very clear. I will say that native apps should work, but are not supported right now (since the package format has no way to communicate what hardware the package will work with, and there's no good way to include different binaries for different hardware) |
| 21:00.57 | mpardo | hey, I made a service and i start it manually. what's the best way to see if it's running? |
| 21:02.24 | commonsguy | mpardo: ummmm...have it log something? |
| 21:04.39 | mpardo | not sure what you mean. My app needs needs to display the service's activity state in a textview. How do i check to see if the service is active. |
| 21:05.20 | commonsguy | same way you do any communication with a service: either IPC using AIDL or have the service broadcast intents that the activity picks up |
| 21:06.04 | commonsguy | if it's all in one app, i think you can bypass that and used shared data, but i'm not a big fan of that |
| 21:06.21 | mpardo | it is in one app |
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| 21:26.04 | mpardo | is there any type of text formatting that you can do for the string used int Toast.makeText() ? |
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| 21:36.06 | scootley | does the SDK work ok from both Vista 64-bit and Ubuntu 64-bit? |
| 21:36.11 | After_Math | is it better for Android to know how to create Java Apps or Applets? |
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| 21:38.43 | commonsguy | After_Math: probably apps, but neither are exact matches |
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| 21:39.12 | After_Math | k thanks |
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| 22:30.03 | DarkriftX | welcome back languish |
| 22:30.16 | DarkriftX | how goes day 4 of the droid trials? |
| 22:30.31 | languish | hahah don't ask :) |
| 22:30.52 | languish | no question QC failed to reject mine |
| 22:30.58 | languish | but my wife's is just fine |
| 22:31.16 | DarkriftX | ouch |
| 22:31.24 | DarkriftX | take it in and tell them you want a non refurb |
| 22:31.31 | DarkriftX | tmo is pretty good about that if its very new |
| 22:31.34 | languish | already dealing with is |
| 22:31.38 | DarkriftX | nice |
| 22:31.38 | languish | *it |
| 22:31.48 | DarkriftX | well, great time to tweak the hell out of it |
| 22:31.53 | DarkriftX | take it to its knees |
| 22:32.00 | languish | :) |
| 22:32.10 | DarkriftX | my site is doing great as im sure you can see |
| 22:33.03 | DarkriftX | I really want to get a g1 now |
| 22:33.11 | languish | :) |
| 22:33.14 | DarkriftX | all this watching ppl download stuff and test it is making me really jealous |
| 22:33.26 | languish | haha |
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| 22:34.19 | languish | i just sent some people your way |
| 22:34.36 | DarkriftX | there is this geeky girl at my work who is actually pretty hot.. she saw me on my site and asked about it and when i was explaining it to her she seemed to be getting off on it |
| 22:34.48 | DarkriftX | "omg!! wow, I gotta get one!" and shivering |
| 22:35.13 | DarkriftX | the power of a nerd phone! |
| 22:35.21 | languish | My response would be inappropriate for this channel :/ |
| 22:35.36 | DarkriftX | mine too lol, i kept it to myself |
| 22:35.41 | languish | :) |
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| 22:47.14 | jota- | hey whats the easiest way to implement a tree browsing view? like a multi level ExpandableListView ? |
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| 22:50.59 | tomgibara | I have a vanilla content provider that exposes a single table. I now want to expose 'meta-data' about that table (eg. number of rows, number of rows added today) via the provider. Is there an established paradigm for this? |
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| 22:55.19 | donomo | why does the mapView not show the zoom controls? http://pastie.org/300566 |
| 22:55.37 | jasta | does anyone have any specifics on how the phone actually falls asleep? |
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| 22:55.59 | jasta | i'm trying to implement an idling connection that persists after the cpu sleeps, but im getting unusual results |
| 22:56.24 | jasta | obviously google sync does this, but of course google is unlikely to release those details :) |
| 22:58.31 | jasta | i'm reading online that one typical strategy to prevent timeout at the carrier level is to just send a NOOP command every 10m or so, but then i'm wondering if the phone even sleeps in that amount of time |
| 22:58.42 | geist | oh definitely |
| 22:58.49 | geist | it'd get no where near the battery life if it didn't do that |
| 22:59.08 | geist | i dont know the specifics of how android does it, but usually these kind of things you sleep as much as possible |
| 22:59.31 | geist | like, a second after the last thing that happened, or even when the cpu idles |
| 22:59.40 | geist | between context switches |
| 22:59.45 | jasta | well in this case do we mean sleep as in the CPU suspends and the kernel just rests waiting to be woken up? so you could conceivably just be waiting in your read() until somehow the radio wakes up the cpu and then you continue working just fine? |
| 22:59.51 | tparkin | anyone have a fix for the "no repo at https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/" error in eclipse? |
| 22:59.56 | geist | yep |
| 23:00.13 | geist | usually you tune your design to go to sleep as much as possible without clobbering responsiveness |
| 23:00.22 | jasta | geist: right, so why then after like 20m or so does the TCP connection reset and my code doesn't get the opportunity to come back |
| 23:00.27 | geist | given that usually it takes a certain amount of time to actually put the cpu to sleep and wake up |
| 23:00.46 | geist | i would assume that sockets would stay open |
| 23:00.47 | jasta | the code is just a loop to set up a new connection and idle on it |
| 23:00.55 | geist | by 20m you mean minutes? |
| 23:00.58 | Ramblurr | hm if i have an EditText and a Button in a RelativeLayout.. with the Button to theLeftOf the EditText.. how can I get the EditText to stretch sideways to fill the screen, without knocking the Button off the edge? |
| 23:01.02 | jasta | it sets SO_KEEPALIVE, although i'm not seeing that the keepalive probes are coming |
| 23:01.06 | jasta | geist: yes, minutes |
| 23:01.07 | geist | that may be a cell thing, like it drops the data call after a certain amount of time |
| 23:01.12 | tparkin | the fix is to "Add Site" with this url: "http://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/site.xml" |
| 23:01.18 | Ramblurr | also, without hard wiring a pixel width |
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| 23:01.26 | jasta | geist: well it seems like my attempts to come back and make a new connection fail or something |
| 23:01.27 | geist | i doubt it has anything to do with the actual host cpu going to sleep. that should probably be transparent |
| 23:01.58 | jasta | right and thats what i'd expect actually |
| 23:02.38 | geist | but i dunno the specifics of this. I dont work on android, i just work in these kinds of things |
| 23:02.41 | jasta | so i wonder why this connection gets torn down after so many minutes and doesn't want to come back |
| 23:03.00 | jasta | i think actually that SO_KEEPALIVE isn't tuned to work properly on Android |
| 23:03.05 | geist | could be the connection gets torn down at the kernel level |
| 23:03.11 | jasta | its default in the Linux kernel is like a 2h interval between probes |
| 23:03.12 | geist | but it gets set back up again at a higher level |
| 23:03.14 | jasta | which would be way too long for the network |
| 23:03.26 | geist | so that using sockets at the kernel level doesn't autotrigger a new data call |
| 23:03.36 | jasta | i'm gonna fire up wireshark on my PC side to see when keep alive probes come out |
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| 23:03.56 | geist | i'm sure the right android person would know it, you'll just have to find one |
| 23:03.56 | jasta | geist: well perhaps, but my code is designed to reconnect, but what i see is that after so many minutes it just stops trying |
| 23:04.09 | geist | yeah but your code is doing socket level stuff only, right? |
| 23:04.15 | zanberdo_ | I've just downloaded the android SDK for linux and plan to do some development using eclipse 3.4. I'm relatively new to development under linux and would like a suggestion for where in my enviroment I ought to install the SDK |
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| 23:04.25 | jasta | yes, it's just a loop doing socket connection and implementing an echo reader |
| 23:04.25 | geist | though i guess through the java layer... seems like it should trigger a data call if it didn't already have it |
| 23:04.34 | mmu_man | hey geist |
| 23:04.38 | mmu_man | world is small |
| 23:04.39 | jasta | right, and it would i'd think |
| 23:04.42 | geist | hey mmu_man |
| 23:05.16 | jasta | geist: i'm gonna analyze with wireshark to get a better sense of exactly what the phones behaviour is |
| 23:05.18 | geist | mmu_man: lots of Be folks here, via android... |
| 23:05.20 | jasta | thanks for the help tho |
| 23:05.22 | mmu_man | does android master relativistic timers yet ? ;) |
| 23:05.23 | geist | sure |
| 23:05.23 | zanberdo_ | I'd thought I might install it to /opt, but as that's owned by root it does not appear to be the appropriate location. I've got it handing off my home directory, but that seems somehow wrong. Any suggestions? |
| 23:05.32 | mmu_man | geist yes BGA told me |
| 23:06.20 | geist | though being that it's the weekend, they're probably all hard at work |
| 23:07.11 | shackan | BGA works on android too? |
| 23:07.12 | jasta | geist: maybe its a sensible strategy to just send a probe every 10 minutes or so at my application layer |
| 23:07.28 | geist | shackan: i dont think so, but he's at google |
| 23:07.49 | jasta | geist: i have found in my tests that periodically sending data over the connection causes the phone to keep it active for much longer |
| 23:07.56 | geist | yeah |
| 23:08.03 | geist | though of course you pay for it |
| 23:08.30 | geist | would be interesting to trace how the gmail thing works |
| 23:08.42 | geist | assuming it does that all via tcp, and not some out of band notification |
| 23:08.43 | jasta | of course, i'm just trying to find a strategy that works optimally, as i imagine gmail does. |
| 23:08.59 | jasta | geist: i bet it's just all TCP. microsoft's activesync, for instance, is all TCP. |
| 23:09.13 | geist | pretty sure too, or you wouldn't be able to use it on non tmo networks |
| 23:09.21 | jasta | what is likely happening here though is that T-Mobile has given them some helpful details about their network and such to optimize |
| 23:09.39 | mmu_man | shackan no, he said he wanted to but he'd have to move as the whole team was held in secrecy at the same place |
| 23:09.50 | mmu_man | (likely a creapy basement) |
| 23:10.04 | geist | s/basement/dungeon |
| 23:10.05 | jasta | geist: but i was hoping this was handled at the platform-level by just using TCP keepalive probes |
| 23:10.43 | geist | guess you can also tell if it's heartbeating by sticking it next to your speaker |
| 23:10.49 | geist | while on an edge network |
| 23:11.17 | jasta | well, wireshark at the server is going to tell me if its doing keepalive probes as well |
| 23:11.20 | geist | dont think mine does or i would have thrown it across the room |
| 23:11.23 | jasta | although itll only show successful probes, i suppose |
| 23:12.11 | mmu_man | TCP ? |
| 23:12.26 | mmu_man | last time I checked activesync was some bastardized PPP |
| 23:12.41 | jasta | i dont think so... |
| 23:12.43 | mmu_man | but that was long ago with Jornada stuff |
| 23:12.51 | geist | yeah, i think the owa stuff is new |
| 23:12.55 | jasta | you might be thinking of the desktop activesync protocol |
| 23:13.17 | mmu_man | WinCE... that had to be rebooted quite often :) |
| 23:13.18 | jasta | exchange activesync is the protocol that the phone communicates with the exchange server using, and that is OWA and is just TCP based |
| 23:13.41 | jasta | and it has keep alive support |
| 23:13.43 | geist | yeah, and it seems to work pretty darn well actually. my crappy centro does a pretty good job syncing |
| 23:13.50 | jasta | their keep alive is at the application layer tho |
| 23:13.56 | jasta | im betting i have to do the same |
| 23:14.00 | geist | yah |
| 23:14.17 | jasta | which is fine really, since i'm implementing IMAP IDLE and they have NOOP for this reason |
| 23:14.37 | f00f- | jasta what is IMAP IDLE really, just a long poll? |
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| 23:14.50 | jasta | f00f-: no, its not a poll at all |
| 23:15.16 | jasta | you just select a mailbox and say IDLE. the server will remain silent until a change is made to the selected mailbox, which it will then tell you about |
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| 23:15.38 | jasta | the client can periodically send NOOP commands during IDLE, which will do nothing but check that the server is still there |
| 23:15.41 | f00f- | so IDLE won't return a numeric response until a change is made? |
| 23:15.52 | f00f- | oh ok |
| 23:15.58 | jasta | it will say absolutely nothing until a change is seen |
| 23:16.09 | jasta | and of course so long as the client doesnt continue talking to it |
| 23:16.26 | jasta | so it would look like |
| 23:16.28 | jasta | SELECT "INBOX" |
| 23:16.32 | jasta | * 4 EXISTS |
| 23:16.38 | jasta | OK ... |
| 23:16.40 | jasta | IDLE |
| 23:16.43 | jasta | + idling |
| 23:16.48 | jasta | [ time passes ] |
| 23:16.49 | jasta | * 5 EXISTS |
| 23:17.21 | f00f- | i assume IDLE is canceled anytime you decide to retreive headers or body of a msg |
| 23:17.30 | ivantis | so, is android running on anything besides a phone? |
| 23:17.42 | ivantis | not including the tester thing i mean |
| 23:17.53 | jasta | f00f-: the client cancels idle by saying DONE |
| 23:18.30 | f00f- | cool |
| 23:18.47 | jasta | geist: hmm, just caught a RST from the phone... |
| 23:18.53 | f00f- | very surprised that the built-in imap client doesn't have IDLE support |
| 23:19.01 | jasta | f00f-: are you really? ;) |
| 23:19.03 | donomo | ive seen the gmail app say i have (-1) new emails. :) |
| 23:19.20 | f00f- | heh, not really i guess lol |
| 23:19.28 | geist | the built in imap client doesn't even properly sync stuff back to my server for some reason |
| 23:19.40 | geist | it's almost like it's just doing a fetch over imap |
| 23:19.51 | mmu_man | lol |
| 23:20.14 | geist | but i think others have said it works, so must be some compatibility with my server (courier imap) |
| 23:20.23 | geist | guess i should file a bug... |
| 23:21.20 | Dougie187 | http://www.engadget.com/2008/10/25/dan-hesse-sez-android-not-yet-good-enough-for-sprint-brand/ |
| 23:21.21 | Dougie187 | :( |
| 23:21.40 | jasta | geist: oh interesting...i am doing a sleep between retries... |
| 23:21.50 | jasta | and i think this sleep is sleeping much longer than i asked it to |
| 23:23.25 | jasta | experiments |
| 23:24.21 | jasta | because as soon as i wake the phone back up by pushing buttons and stuff the sleep() breaks and my connection is retried as my logic expects |
| 23:25.40 | ivantis | !ping |
| 23:25.47 | ivantis | are there any bots here? |
| 23:26.18 | Dougie187 | i think ChanServ is a bot. |
| 23:26.19 | Dougie187 | but ionno |
| 23:28.24 | geist | so it's not a real time sleep? |
| 23:28.40 | geist | it's a sleep as long as it's on |
| 23:29.02 | geist | that's a common thing too. thread level sleeps are frequently interrupted by cpu sleep |
| 23:29.14 | geist | usually you have to schedule some sort of real time alarm if you want it to break a cpu sleep |
| 23:29.29 | ivantis | @ping |
| 23:29.32 | ivantis | #ping |
| 23:29.38 | ivantis | $ping |
| 23:29.42 | ivantis | i guess not |
| 23:30.34 | jasta | geist: like what? use a Handler or something? |
| 23:30.49 | geist | no idea, i dont know the android api |
| 23:31.04 | jasta | ill experiment... |
| 23:31.12 | jasta | thanks for the help, i have a much better idea of how this should work now |
| 23:31.42 | geist | take whatever i say with a grain of salt, i'm just thinking what i would do had i designed the android platform :) |
| 23:33.09 | languish | hrm |
| 23:33.14 | SanMehat | geist: hehehehe |
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| 23:33.36 | languish | I keep getting random com.android.phone crashes |
| 23:33.37 | geist | ah good, real android people |
| 23:33.40 | languish | *sigh* |
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| 23:38.05 | danfuzz | blort |
| 23:39.11 | geist | it's teh fuzz |
| 23:40.03 | danfuzz | it's teh geist |
| 23:40.11 | danfuzz | what's shakin'? |
| 23:40.19 | jasta | geist: yup, you're definitely right. the issue is my sleep() is not waking up the CPU... |
| 23:40.21 | ivantis | should i get a G1 phone? |
| 23:40.23 | ivantis | should i? |
| 23:40.27 | ivantis | i cant decide |
| 23:40.43 | danfuzz | likes his, fwiw |
| 23:40.56 | danfuzz | <- biased |
| 23:40.58 | tparkin | ivantis: you should |
| 23:41.02 | geist | yeah but you're a member of the dalvik conspiracy |
| 23:41.16 | tparkin | ivantis: I pre-ordered right away but was afraid it would suck after all the e-rants |
| 23:41.20 | tparkin | ivantis: but it rocks my socks |
| 23:41.26 | ivantis | i want it |
| 23:42.11 | spikebike | works for me, depends on what you need and expect. |
| 23:42.33 | ivantis | i think i want to write some software for it maybe |
| 23:42.38 | ivantis | that would be so cool! |
| 23:42.40 | ivantis | on my phone |
| 23:43.17 | tparkin | yes, that's the biggest selling point imo |
| 23:43.24 | spikebike | it's a pretty decent phone... even for non programmers/geeks |
| 23:43.40 | spikebike | my wife likes it |
| 23:43.42 | tomgibara | jasta: I think you'll need to use AlarmManager for that sort of thing |
| 23:44.08 | jasta | tomgibara: probably. i'm fiddling now... |
| 23:44.11 | spikebike | (she has one) |
| 23:44.52 | danfuzz | i still haven't done any *app* programming for it |
| 23:44.55 | danfuzz | some day |
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| 23:46.05 | danfuzz | greetings, other-dan |
| 23:46.34 | donomo | ivantis: the battery life is less than i expected, but the background tasks, always-on gtalk is freaking great. |
| 23:46.53 | ivantis | then that settles it |
| 23:46.56 | ivantis | im getting one |
| 23:47.11 | ivantis | wait, how is the plan that they give you? |
| 23:47.59 | DannyB | hello fuzzy dan |
| 23:48.20 | spikebike | heh, yeah |
| 23:48.45 | spikebike | I was chatting with another g1 used on gtalk |
| 23:49.04 | tparkin | anyone have a fix for JUnit error in eclipse: Internal Error (classFileParser.cpp:2924), pid=5528, tid=1648 |
| 23:49.05 | donomo | ivantis: $30/mo for 300 mins. plus $25/mo for "unlimited" data |
| 23:49.07 | spikebike | ended up sending a MMS, discussing a movie, and clicking on a url in gtalk to bring up a movie review |
| 23:49.15 | shackan | danfuzz: how many googlers does it take to make a dalvik? |
| 23:49.16 | ivantis | unlimited data? |
| 23:49.18 | ivantis | whats that? |
| 23:49.18 | spikebike | turned out the chat was 400 messages or so |
| 23:49.24 | donomo | spikebike: i love using gtalk with other G1 users. no SMS charge. |
| 23:49.25 | danfuzz | about six |
| 23:49.32 | spikebike | iphone doesn't have MMS, nor anything always on except SMS |
| 23:50.09 | donomo | spikebike: yeah thats huge(-ly bad) for the iphone |
| 23:50.10 | spikebike | nor does it allow apps to run in the background (so you can't surf, take pictures, or send mms) during a chat |
| 23:51.10 | donomo | spikebike: have you tried 'wikitude' in map mode? its a bit gimmicky but it looks like its image processing and putting dots where buildings are |
| 23:51.16 | spikebike | I would have blown my entire sms budget last night if I had an iphone |
| 23:51.29 | spikebike | no, I'll have to check it out |
| 23:51.39 | tparkin | any JUnit users here? |
| 23:51.59 | shackan | danfuzz: and how long? |
| 23:53.13 | danfuzz | about three years |
| 23:53.37 | danfuzz | the vm work started in late 2005 |
| 23:54.16 | spikebike | where is wikitude? |
| 23:54.23 | spikebike | I search the app store for wiki and found zilch |
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| 23:57.34 | Ramblurr | why would my OnKeyListener be called twice when i push "enter" once? |
| 23:58.30 | tparkin | does it get called for down and up? |