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| 00:02.11 | umdk1d3 | welllll |
| 00:05.06 | umdk1d3 | i would have loved to show it on an actual device |
| 00:05.21 | JoeBrain | still not allowed yet? |
| 00:05.53 | JoeBrain | isn't it coming out in a couple weeks? :\ |
| 00:06.07 | romainguy__ | umdk1d3: too bad you did the manual add, the stupid comments think you cannot do autodiscovery :) |
| 00:07.25 | JoeBrain | still have to enter pairing code? |
| 00:07.48 | umdk1d3 | its all magic if you use a real device |
| 00:07.57 | romainguy__ | yeah it works great on a real device |
| 00:08.06 | umdk1d3 | but the emulator doesnt have UDP, so the pairing process needs to be done manually |
| 00:08.21 | romainguy__ | umdk1d3: you seem to have latency though when you press a button, I don't know if you're blocking the UI thread or if it's just waiting for a network op |
| 00:08.39 | umdk1d3 | right, i actually think that might be at the network stack layer |
| 00:08.50 | umdk1d3 | for each command i spawn a new thread to handle it |
| 00:08.55 | umdk1d3 | maybe i should be using a threadpool or something |
| 00:08.59 | JoeBrain | would UDP be less latency too or negligible? |
| 00:09.06 | romainguy__ | umdk1d3: it's ok then |
| 00:09.13 | umdk1d3 | have it sleep til someone interrupts it |
| 00:09.30 | umdk1d3 | JoeBrain: the pairing process is the only thing that uses udp |
| 00:09.46 | JoeBrain | ah ic |
| 00:12.54 | zhobbs | yeah, there is some latency with the UI |
| 00:13.37 | umdk1d3 | latency from when the ui event happens to when it actually changes in itunes? |
| 00:13.39 | zhobbs | but it's cool, and I'm glad you documented the protocol.. |
| 00:14.33 | zhobbs | umdk1d3: latency when I press on the album art to bring up the controls and stuff |
| 00:14.38 | zhobbs | it's cool though, good job :) |
| 00:14.41 | umdk1d3 | oh yea |
| 00:14.54 | umdk1d3 | although i think that might be related to a dead thread at some point |
| 00:15.00 | umdk1d3 | *if the animation appears laggy |
| 00:15.06 | umdk1d3 | still trying to track that down |
| 00:15.20 | JoeBrain | so do you guys have actual devices to test on or is simulator the only thing available? |
| 00:15.35 | umdk1d3 | JoeBrain: its been tested thoroughly on real devices ^.^ |
| 00:16.05 | JoeBrain | ah nifty difty, was wondering b/c I clicked the link for CompareEverywhere & was wonderin how ya tested barcode :D |
| 00:16.13 | umdk1d3 | zhobbs: how hard was it to get avahi and everything up? i didnt document that very thoroughly |
| 00:16.23 | umdk1d3 | JoeBrain: http://code.google.com/p/zxing/ |
| 00:16.56 | JoeBrain | well I suppose i was more concerned about camera hardware being able to read the bars |
| 00:17.13 | zhobbs | umdk1d3: the avahi? |
| 00:17.26 | umdk1d3 | JoeBrain: the team writing that library at google has had real hardware for months now, and decodig barcodes works great |
| 00:17.40 | JoeBrain | exciting, I've always thought that was a great idea |
| 00:17.52 | umdk1d3 | ohwait lol |
| 00:18.09 | umdk1d3 | sry i thought you were using an emulator |
| 00:18.19 | zhobbs | umdk1d3: I am |
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| 00:23.23 | JoeBrain | how long does the process of applying & signing NDAs to get a development device take? |
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| 00:27.21 | JoeBrain | or is it shut down until we're allowed to buy production devices? |
| 00:32.24 | umdk1d3 | LOL here come more job offers... |
| 00:32.36 | JoeBrain | lol nah I just want more toys |
| 00:32.48 | JoeBrain | but if I have to pay you to get one ..... :P |
| 00:33.04 | romainguy__ | umdk1d3: well ignore them |
| 00:33.14 | JoeBrain | ah you meant PMs |
| 00:33.50 | umdk1d3 | JoeBrain: there isnt a general developer-device program yet afaik |
| 00:34.01 | JoeBrain | ah so are all you guys official? |
| 00:34.12 | umdk1d3 | is just some random guy lol |
| 00:34.19 | JoeBrain | so then how'd you get one? :P |
| 00:34.28 | romainguy__ | he won the ADC :) |
| 00:34.28 | umdk1d3 | i didnt say i had one |
| 00:34.35 | JoeBrain | ah |
| 00:34.45 | umdk1d3 | i said people with devices have tested it |
| 00:34.47 | umdk1d3 | ;) |
| 00:34.49 | JoeBrain | ahhhh... |
| 00:35.00 | JoeBrain | so you developed a barcode reader w/out hardware? ballsy... |
| 00:35.11 | umdk1d3 | JoeBrain: yea i did lol, had a horrid hack goign on in the emulator |
| 00:35.22 | JoeBrain | lol I can imagine |
| 00:35.38 | JoeBrain | well I guess that warrants ADC :) |
| 00:36.56 | JoeBrain | well the Chumby wasn't all I hoped for lol so I'm hoping Android lets me play around more |
| 00:37.22 | umdk1d3 | jasta: ill credit you on alphabar when i blogpost about it ;) |
| 00:37.25 | umdk1d3 | this was more just a codedump |
| 00:37.42 | umdk1d3 | now i get to write up the tutorials about doing auto-paging lists an stuff |
| 00:41.30 | gambler | umdk1d3 well well arent you media savvy today |
| 00:42.15 | gambler | umdk1d3, i think I read you can fwd udp somewhere w/o nc...try the manual for this: http://www.hsc.com/resourceCenter/resource.aspx |
| 00:43.16 | umdk1d3 | gambler: we dont need udp ont he cell network tho, only wifi |
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| 00:43.48 | umdk1d3 | and the only issue is that the emulator only supports tcp port forwarding |
| 00:44.15 | gambler | ah rite.. |
| 00:52.04 | jasta | umdk1d3: your simple-yet-effective player UI is starting to grow on me |
| 00:52.08 | jasta | i might steal it. |
| 00:52.13 | umdk1d3 | lol :) |
| 00:52.19 | umdk1d3 | i just like looking at pretty art |
| 00:52.22 | jasta | you know, ever since we both started playing with android, we have somehow managed to gravitate toward each other's code :) |
| 00:52.30 | umdk1d3 | hehe :) |
| 00:52.40 | umdk1d3 | ohbtw i optimized the alphabar for HGUE lists |
| 00:52.45 | unix_infidel | is surprised there isnt a gallery of android apps available. |
| 00:52.54 | jasta | yeah, that's a big part of the reason why i abandoned it |
| 00:52.56 | unix_infidel | that's really what gets developers interested anyway, screenshots :-P |
| 00:52.56 | umdk1d3 | it "guesses" the location in the list instead of starting at index=0 |
| 00:52.57 | jasta | how'd you accomplish this effect? |
| 00:53.03 | umdk1d3 | and works it way forwards/backwards as needed |
| 00:53.22 | umdk1d3 | it guesses that M is going to be halfway thru the list |
| 00:53.29 | umdk1d3 | MUCH more efficient |
| 00:53.38 | umdk1d3 | was over at a friends house with thousdands of artists ;) |
| 00:53.39 | jasta | that algorithm could use a lot of heuristic improvements tho |
| 00:53.52 | umdk1d3 | sure, you know the values are coming in sorted |
| 00:53.52 | jasta | you should generate an index based on the dictionary to discover more likely targets ;) |
| 00:54.03 | umdk1d3 | precompute and store the indexes for each new letter |
| 00:54.17 | jasta | i meant for your "guess" |
| 00:54.18 | umdk1d3 | O(1) solution ;) |
| 00:54.31 | jasta | a dictionary index would make your guess much more accurate hehe |
| 00:54.54 | jasta | funny anecdote... |
| 00:55.13 | jasta | the Linux project Samba got its name by the author writing a script to search for pronouncable words which had the letters S, M, and B in that order. |
| 00:55.27 | jasta | SMB being the underlying protocol it implements |
| 00:55.31 | umdk1d3 | new int[26]; then table[char]=.size() |
| 00:55.50 | umdk1d3 | jasta: script lol, it was grep :P |
| 00:56.04 | jasta | i call one-liners script all the same |
| 00:56.21 | umdk1d3 | true, its all bash |
| 00:57.44 | jasta | alright, i only have 2 hours to code before becky gets home, and i'm gonna use it :) |
| 00:57.57 | jasta | adding MusicBrainz support to my server so that it can better figure things out like compilation CDs |
| 00:59.05 | umdk1d3 | <3 musicbrainz |
| 01:01.07 | gambler | do something with xbmc...its a great base for a media center/home automation type framework |
| 01:01.28 | gambler | :p |
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| 01:03.55 | jasta | umdk1d3: i'm really frustrated that i'm writing this code to support this new album i just got, Live at KEXP, Volume 4 |
| 01:04.06 | jasta | so i submitted it to musicbrainz earlier today |
| 01:04.08 | jasta | but its still not showing up |
| 01:04.17 | jasta | and last.fm does't know about it either so i can't upload album artwork |
| 01:04.21 | jasta | and i dont even know how to submit to last.fm |
| 01:04.23 | jasta | *grumble* |
| 01:04.23 | umdk1d3 | :( |
| 01:05.08 | CardinalFang | hi, all. |
| 01:06.44 | zhobbs | hmmmmmm.....can't seem to figure out how to theme the menus... |
| 01:08.39 | BBHoss | any tips for a ruby developer starting android development? |
| 01:09.57 | wastrel | you should learn java |
| 01:10.46 | CardinalFang | That might help. |
| 01:11.03 | wastrel | i don't have any useful tips however |
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| 01:11.11 | BBHoss | wastrel: yeah that was my first clue, but i really have no need for java other than android, so i figured i'd just target the environment |
| 01:12.42 | BBHoss | i mean i played with java in high-school, and i've looked at the android docs, it doesn't look that much radically different than ruby, other than being static-typed |
| 01:12.55 | zhobbs | just jump in...do the official tutorial to get a feel for what an activity/view is, read some docs, come up with a project you want on your phone and make it |
| 01:13.54 | zhobbs | study some api examples, find some tutorials, etc,etc |
| 01:13.57 | BBHoss | zhobbs: oh boy i have a project for it, i just need to write the code :) |
| 01:14.09 | zhobbs | start writing |
| 01:14.21 | wastrel | is it a good project? |
| 01:14.31 | snadge | could the economic crisis benefit the android platform? .. i've heard commentary, no.. its bad for everyone.. but relative to proprietary solutions which cost money .. *scratches chin* |
| 01:14.36 | CardinalFang | I'm starting with Hello World. On Ubuntu 8.4. This means my eclipse is too old for the plugin, but I don't mind. I'm a vi & make sort of guy anyway. |
| 01:14.56 | zhobbs | romainguy__: I think you told me that theming a menu is possible...any hints? |
| 01:15.00 | BBHoss | wastrel: yeah, it integrates and consumes data from a rails app i'm writing for emergency management |
| 01:15.32 | BBHoss | wastrel: any idea how i can consume RESTful data? my only other option is AMQP, which doesn't have a library for android, altough it does for java |
| 01:15.38 | snadge | could the crisis be a boost for free software in general.. we shall see |
| 01:16.18 | wastrel | CardinalFang: it's easy to install the current eclipse |
| 01:16.27 | wastrel | just extract the tarball and run the binary |
| 01:17.04 | wastrel | BBHoss: i don't know anythign about webapps/restful programming |
| 01:17.17 | wastrel | systems administrator- C and scripting. :] |
| 01:17.21 | wastrel | learning java and OO |
| 01:17.32 | BBHoss | wastrel: well its basically a http read, and then parse xml |
| 01:17.50 | BBHoss | wastrel: i know android is java, but give ruby a serious look, i love it |
| 01:18.02 | BBHoss | too slow for mobile devices though |
| 01:18.05 | wastrel | we have ruby coders at work |
| 01:18.15 | CardinalFang | So, I created an activity ("activitycreator ...") to make a skeleton tree. When I run "ant", it fails to build. "compile" is fine. The "dex" stage says "trouble processing" and "invalid constant pool index 0000", "processing ...Foo.class"... |
| 01:18.19 | zhobbs | BBHoss: Android has the SAX libraries for XML parsing |
| 01:18.40 | BBHoss | zhobbs: ever seen REST parsing done in java? |
| 01:18.48 | wastrel | CardinalFang: do yourself a favor - i'm a vi guy too... but get the current eclipse & the plugin. |
| 01:18.51 | xavd | CardinalFang: do you have gcj installed? |
| 01:19.40 | CardinalFang | wastrel, AIUI, the eclipse plugin does these very steps. |
| 01:21.52 | BBHoss | i understand that the process-model is quite revolutionary in android, for a large application, should I split my different major features into different packages altogether? |
| 01:22.17 | CardinalFang | xavd, no. "dpkg -l" says "un" and "which gcj" is nothing. I'm trying to get "ant" to show me what it's running. |
| 01:22.43 | CardinalFang | the brackets at the front say "javac", but that may mean nothing. /me looks. |
| 01:23.36 | wastrel | gcj is the gnu java compler, you're supposed to be using sun java for android |
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| 01:24.03 | CardinalFang | yah. I'm pretty sure I am, but I'm sparing no assumptions. Verifying... |
| 01:25.56 | BBHoss | yeah, you need sun java it says so on the download page |
| 01:30.32 | BBHoss | lemme ask this to the channel, would it be feasible to use a SIP stack to place calls on instead of the GSM/CDMA? I know there are intents to make calls using the radio, but how hard would it be to change that functionality |
| 01:30.55 | BBHoss | maybe a switch that lets you run SIP instead of gsm? |
| 01:33.14 | BBHoss | damn pragprog needs to hurry up and write the LBS chapter already |
| 01:33.57 | CardinalFang | xavd, BBHoss, wastrel, one further tidbit to put in your basket of ideas: One must not have gij-* installed either (at least so it's earlier in the path). I found it by turning on process accounting, "accton", then using "lastcomm" to see what programs ant is running. I saw "java" (not "javac"), and found it's provided by gij. I removed. Now it builds. |
| 01:34.27 | BBHoss | CardinalFang: wow, great work :) |
| 01:35.02 | xavd | CardinalFang: yeah you basically need to make sure the javac and keytool symlinks in /usr/bin links to the sun version, and not the gnu version |
| 01:35.22 | CardinalFang | Thanks for asking the right question, guys. |
| 01:36.07 | xavd | Lots of linux users are seeing this problem. I guess mentioning the sun jdk requirements in the doc isn't enougj |
| 01:36.18 | xavd | maybe we should add "properly configured sun JDK" ;) |
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| 01:38.48 | CardinalFang | xavd, Or at least not say "[javac] Using modern compiler" in the build output if running gij. (That may be an ant-ism. It's the first time I've used it.) |
| 01:39.08 | romainguy__ | CardinalFang: that's ant saying this |
| 01:39.52 | xavd | hmm I never noticed (I use eclipse) |
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| 01:43.56 | CardinalFang | xavd, maybe smarter to say "Sun java *first*, and if you jave problems, Sun java *only*." It's not enough to say "have Sun java" when the very existence of others will influence the results. |
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| 01:44.28 | xavd | true |
| 01:44.45 | CardinalFang | I've had sun java forever. I saw the requirements and said "yep. Fine." |
| 01:45.06 | CardinalFang | Thanks all. G'night. |
| 01:45.16 | xavd | night |
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| 01:53.35 | umdk1d3 | YAY SNOW =D getting 11" over next few days |
| 01:55.09 | jasta | lucky :) |
| 01:55.17 | jasta | i bought a seasons pass to Stevens this year. i'm so pumped :) |
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| 01:55.29 | jasta | i plan to go after work at least once a week ;) |
| 01:55.41 | umdk1d3 | niiiiice |
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| 01:56.00 | umdk1d3 | if i move, im really gonna miss skiing here |
| 01:56.14 | umdk1d3 | three nice places all about an hour away |
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| 01:58.35 | jasta | we have 3 nice places all about 2 hours away |
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| 01:58.37 | jasta | but... |
| 01:58.52 | jasta | we have 2 *really* fucking incredible places about 4 and 7 hours away :) |
| 01:59.04 | jasta | oh, 3, there's also Mt Hood about 4 hours away |
| 01:59.42 | jasta | we've got Mt. Baker, Mt. Hood, Whistler/Blackcomb for the big ones |
| 02:00.00 | jasta | and Stevens, Crystal, and Snoqualmie for the littler ones (still the shit, tho) |
| 02:01.04 | jasta | me and my buddies rented a cabin at Tahoe last winter. it was incredible ;) |
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| 02:48.50 | umdk1d3 | hmm if i moved to bay area i would be very interested in something fios-like |
| 02:53.31 | umdk1d3 | im interested in structuring my housing search around finding fiber lol |
| 02:53.37 | umdk1d3 | or soemthing fiber-like |
| 02:53.47 | cbeust | fios? |
| 02:54.01 | umdk1d3 | cbeust: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verizon_FiOS |
| 02:54.07 | romainguy | why do you need so much bandwidth? :) |
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| 02:55.02 | cbeust | Ah I thought we were talking dietary fibers |
| 02:55.15 | umdk1d3 | having several colo boxes rsync back to your home raid is messy ;) |
| 02:55.22 | umdk1d3 | its a mess of php scripts right now |
| 02:55.46 | cbeust | I used to have a home server on a static IP, hardly see the point these days |
| 02:57.38 | umdk1d3 | i would love fios because afaik it still offers clear qam cable |
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| 03:19.05 | jasta | hmm, weird |
| 03:19.16 | jasta | musicbrainz seems to be upset by my requests? |
| 03:19.25 | jasta | after about 20 or 30, it starts giving me 503, service unavailable |
| 03:19.37 | jasta | then works again later, like they are mad at my volume/frequency? |
| 03:19.56 | romainguy | looks like it |
| 03:19.58 | jasta | i wouldn't think they'd start calling it abuse until well after 20 or 30 shallow requests |
| 03:20.20 | romainguy | what frequency? |
| 03:20.59 | jasta | i'm just traversing the users collection, firing off a request for each unique album i come across |
| 03:21.33 | romainguy | well maybe that's too fast for them :) |
| 03:21.35 | jasta | i don't see how that'd be too different than any of these other programs |
| 03:21.42 | jasta | they have a program that lets you scan your entire collection |
| 03:21.45 | jasta | and change all the tags |
| 03:21.52 | romainguy | is it theirs? |
| 03:21.54 | jasta | yeah |
| 03:22.06 | jasta | it's open source even, and so is the library they wrote which i'm using |
| 03:22.07 | romainguy | then I guess they have a way to workaround this :) |
| 03:22.42 | jasta | ponders if HTTP/1.1 connections aren't being re-used |
| 03:22.46 | jasta | maybe thats the issue |
| 03:24.35 | jasta | looks like their official policy is to wait 1s between requests. |
| 03:25.14 | jasta | that should be easy enough, although i have to block the traversal process for this crap :) |
| 03:25.36 | jasta | i guess i could implement a lazy way to look it up in another thread, but that would be a huge pain to go back through and reverse all the bad database decisions made in that window ;) |
| 03:25.46 | jasta | and ultimately probably slower |
| 03:26.09 | jasta | you'd think their official library would just impose this wait by default |
| 03:26.10 | umdk1d3 | jasta: in the past ive just randomly gotten 50x'es from them |
| 03:26.22 | umdk1d3 | is it like you hit a solid wall, or just some requests are dead? |
| 03:26.31 | jasta | i hit a solid wall |
| 03:26.39 | umdk1d3 | hmm ouch |
| 03:26.56 | jasta | it definitely looks to be that im requesting too fast, i found an official comment from some musicbrainz dev that said you have to wait 1s in between |
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| 03:27.17 | jasta | thats not a big deal, i dont care |
| 03:27.34 | jasta | takes just about a second to do all the other work anyway |
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| 03:56.36 | muthu1 | O |
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| 04:05.38 | muthu1 | does the list have a horizonal orientation? |
| 04:05.50 | muthu1 | horizontal |
| 04:05.54 | romainguy | no |
| 04:05.59 | muthu1 | arggh |
| 04:06.10 | muthu1 | an horizontal list would be lot useful |
| 04:06.59 | romainguy | why do you need it to be horizontal? |
| 04:07.24 | muthu1 | my items are buttons |
| 04:07.33 | wastrel | you can make a horizontal listview yes? |
| 04:07.40 | romainguy | I just said no :) |
| 04:07.44 | muthu1 | so i can put them in a horizontal list.. and give the user to scroll the buttons |
| 04:07.45 | romainguy | muthu1: use a LinearLayout |
| 04:08.00 | wastrel | ah that's what i was thinking |
| 04:08.02 | romainguy | and scrolling horizontally really is not the best when the screen orientation is portrait |
| 04:08.10 | romainguy | (which is the case of the vast majority of phones :) |
| 04:08.25 | muthu1 | romainguy: want to use the cursor adapter |
| 04:08.31 | muthu1 | so the list seems to a good fit |
| 04:08.39 | muthu1 | horizontal list + cursor adapter |
| 04:08.44 | romainguy | make your own |
| 04:09.03 | muthu1 | yeah, looks like that's what to be done |
| 04:09.24 | romainguy | but I'm really not convinced that a horizontal list of buttons is a good UI :) |
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| 04:10.26 | muthu | pidgin sux |
| 04:11.00 | muthu | romainguy; when extending linearlayout, when to fetch the view from the cursor? |
| 04:11.37 | wastrel | pidgin is a bad irc client |
| 04:11.45 | romainguy | muthu: other questions |
| 04:11.49 | romainguy | what exactly are your buttons |
| 04:12.01 | romainguy | do they have to be buttons? (since in a list elements are clickable) |
| 04:12.27 | muthu | its a custom button.. like a checkbox view |
| 04:12.36 | muthu | shows selection/nonselection |
| 04:12.48 | muthu | the user selects the topic |
| 04:12.52 | muthu | then does search |
| 04:13.03 | muthu | i can search for jobs for example |
| 04:13.04 | romainguy | so what's the problem with stacking them vertically? |
| 04:13.30 | muthu | vertical doesn't look like a menu |
| 04:13.55 | muthu | and in landscape its completely not good |
| 04:14.18 | muthu | my main concern is the view/adapter lifecycle |
| 04:14.26 | muthu | i fetch the cursor |
| 04:14.29 | muthu | handover to layout |
| 04:14.34 | romainguy | you'd have to start with AdapterView or AbsListView |
| 04:14.42 | romainguy | they do a lot of stuff already |
| 04:14.45 | muthu | how to plug this into linear layout |
| 04:14.51 | muthu | they work with list |
| 04:15.05 | romainguy | don't use a LinearLayout |
| 04:15.14 | muthu | what else? |
| 04:15.17 | romainguy | Adapter/AbsListView |
| 04:15.19 | romainguy | like I just said |
| 04:15.21 | muthu | oh ok |
| 04:15.38 | muthu | abs list view would be the right thing |
| 04:15.40 | muthu | great |
| 04:16.49 | muthu | stayed away from custom components.. but not for long |
| 04:17.49 | muthu | romainguy: regarding vertical display.. i do that too |
| 04:17.55 | muthu | the user clicks on a + icon |
| 04:18.02 | muthu | then the whole menu will unfold below |
| 04:18.14 | PoohbaLT | y is pidgin a bad irc client? |
| 04:18.43 | muthu | coz it crashes faster than wall street |
| 04:19.10 | romainguy | then use something else :) |
| 04:19.26 | PoohbaLT | it took wall street a long time to crash |
| 04:19.42 | muthu | my pidgin was stable for a long time |
| 04:19.48 | muthu | and once it started.. man!! |
| 04:20.10 | f00f- | use irssi you newb |
| 04:20.53 | muthu | f00f-: is that a command line tool? |
| 04:21.36 | muthu | ha, i see it in yum |
| 04:21.39 | muthu | installing |
| 04:22.20 | muthu | irssi.. yoooooo |
| 04:22.34 | romainguy | irssi is like vi and emacs, it's for people who refuse to acknowledge we are now in the 21st century :) |
| 04:22.39 | romainguy | :runrunrun: |
| 04:22.42 | muthu | haha |
| 04:22.55 | muthu | man.. it opened up a mainframe window ;) |
| 04:23.05 | muthu | shit, f00f-y! |
| 04:23.39 | muthu | f00f-: how to join a channel |
| 04:23.49 | romainguy | probably /join #channel |
| 04:24.19 | muthu | but need to connect first |
| 04:24.23 | muthu | no help whatsoever |
| 04:24.43 | muthu | /help |
| 04:24.47 | muthu | does the trick |
| 04:25.41 | living_sword | while retrieving a byte[ ] blob from sqlite db the byte sequence changes, is this a bug ? |
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| 04:25.52 | saraneya | woah! |
| 04:26.12 | saraneya | test |
| 04:26.43 | saraneya | quit |
| 04:26.55 | wastrel | /connect irc.freenode.net |
| 04:27.01 | wastrel | then /join #android |
| 04:27.08 | muthu | yeah did that, thx |
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| 04:28.49 | gdsx | why would you use anything other than irssi for IRC? |
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| 04:29.30 | romainguy | gdsx: because it hurts the eyes? :) |
| 04:29.53 | romainguy | will stop trolling now |
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| 04:30.03 | gdsx | romainguy: irssi is awesome. Especially the scripts that are available for it |
| 04:30.03 | _muthu | yo |
| 04:30.11 | gdsx | _muthu: oy :o) |
| 04:30.20 | _muthu | gdsx: where's the scripts? |
| 04:30.39 | gdsx | _muthu: if you were to guess, you would guess... |
| 04:30.44 | romainguy | gdsx: frankly, to me, it's just an IRC client, and I couldn't care less about the features of an IRC client beside giving me comfortable way to read a channel :) |
| 04:31.15 | gdsx | romainguy: features like "not having to hunt for a channel" don't matter? |
| 04:31.34 | romainguy | maybe it matters to you |
| 04:31.37 | romainguy | doesn't matter to me |
| 04:31.53 | _muthu | how to enable notifications? |
| 04:31.55 | gdsx | how many channels are you in? |
| 04:31.56 | _muthu | sounds? |
| 04:32.02 | romainguy | gdsx: 6 |
| 04:32.12 | gdsx | aah, ok :o) |
| 04:32.16 | romainguy | as I said, I value the comfort of reading over everything else |
| 04:32.21 | romainguy | so I don't give a shit about irssi :) |
| 04:32.31 | swetland | romain is a big irc hater, it is true |
| 04:32.37 | romainguy | well |
| 04:32.41 | swetland | almost as much as he hates terminals |
| 04:32.44 | _muthu | i'm yet to see a good irc client |
| 04:32.45 | gdsx | romainguy: I do to, it's just a lot harder to read 40-odd channels in a client that sucks |
| 04:32.45 | swetland | and text! |
| 04:32.47 | romainguy | having written a couple of IRC clients and a dozen of bots, yes |
| 04:32.56 | romainguy | the IRC protocol has scarred me for life |
| 04:33.03 | gdsx | _muthu: just to be sure, did you try irssi.org? |
| 04:33.07 | gdsx | romainguy: haha |
| 04:33.08 | swetland | the irc protocol is not great |
| 04:33.14 | swetland | but compared to say jabber |
| 04:33.14 | romainguy | implement DCC transfers |
| 04:33.15 | _muthu | gdsx: later |
| 04:33.18 | romainguy | it's moronic |
| 04:33.18 | gdsx | PRIVMSG romainguy :don't forget the colon |
| 04:33.34 | swetland | ye gods, streaming xml should be a firing offense ^^ |
| 04:33.43 | romainguy | swetland: that too :) |
| 04:33.50 | _muthu | irssi rocks |
| 04:33.52 | _muthu | nice |
| 04:33.53 | romainguy | the worst with the IRC protocol is those goddam servers |
| 04:34.01 | _muthu | hope this don't crash |
| 04:34.24 | gdsx | romainguy: which servers? |
| 04:34.25 | romainguy | swetland: btw, there was a time when my email client was telnet in a terminal :) |
| 04:34.39 | romainguy | gdsx: all of them, they all behave differently :) |
| 04:34.43 | _muthu | that was 95 |
| 04:34.46 | gdsx | well, true |
| 04:34.50 | romainguy | especially the connect part @!# |
| 04:35.03 | gdsx | romainguy: of course, the capabilities stuff helps nowadays |
| 04:35.14 | swetland | I still use mutt as my primary email client. I haven't found a gui client that quite does what I want yet |
| 04:35.34 | f00f- | _muthu: i've been using irc since about '02 or so |
| 04:35.42 | romainguy | swetland: I'll take mutt over Gmail's web UI anyday :) |
| 04:35.47 | f00f- | first ircii then BitchX then i settled on irssi |
| 04:35.57 | swetland | romain: indeed. |
| 04:36.04 | muthu | f00f-: yeah nice |
| 04:36.22 | gdsx | romainguy: what did you write bots for? |
| 04:36.36 | swetland | romain: we should be careful lest we be rounded up and sent to webapp reeducation camp ^^ |
| 04:36.48 | romainguy | gdsx: mostly useless/fun stuff |
| 04:37.00 | gdsx | ::nod:: |
| 04:37.09 | romainguy | but I had one for instance that was used to quote Java files |
| 04:37.16 | romainguy | it was handy for development |
| 04:37.44 | gdsx | weird. sort of like lxr? |
| 04:37.52 | romainguy | never heard of lxr |
| 04:38.07 | romainguy | remember, only 6 channels |
| 04:38.10 | romainguy | I'm a fake geek :) |
| 04:38.14 | swetland | <mrw> groobot: don't crash. |
| 04:38.14 | swetland | *** Signoff: Groobot (EOF From client) |
| 04:38.14 | swetland | <mrw> he can't follow instructions yet. |
| 04:38.25 | gdsx | haha |
| 04:38.30 | romainguy | that said |
| 04:38.38 | romainguy | I had fun writing a bot in Python using as few lines of code as I could |
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| 04:38.55 | gdsx | romainguy: lxr is an interface to the linux kernel source that's pretty handy on #kernelnewbies (oftc) |
| 04:39.02 | romainguy | I think it ended up with 10 lines |
| 04:39.20 | romainguy | the entire IRC protocol was encoded in 2 regex |
| 04:39.23 | romainguy | that was painful to debug :) |
| 04:39.25 | gdsx | oh god |
| 04:39.38 | romainguy | and it contained an identd server :) |
| 04:39.48 | gdsx | romainguy: did it respond to pings from the... err... oh my |
| 04:40.26 | muthu | 10 lines? |
| 04:40.30 | f00f- | hahah nice |
| 04:40.51 | romainguy | gdsx: let's just say that sometimes the bot would not connect, for some reason :) |
| 04:40.54 | f00f- | i hope you supported \001ACTION |
| 04:41.21 | romainguy | anyway |
| 04:41.28 | romainguy | all I'm saying is that the DCC protocol sucks :p |
| 04:41.58 | gdsx | has done everything other than CTCP (which, I guess, is "the easy stuff") |
| 04:42.14 | f00f- | CTCP is in-band |
| 04:42.18 | f00f- | DCC is a bitch |
| 04:42.24 | f00f- | but no one uses it anymore , i hope |
| 04:42.38 | romainguy | it never works anyway :) |
| 04:42.42 | gdsx | f00f-: it's not the case that people don't use it any more :o) |
| 04:42.57 | gdsx | f00f-: go to EFnet and join a random channel :o) |
| 04:42.58 | romainguy | I did one other thing in Python that I found way worse though |
| 04:43.01 | f00f- | i remember fserv's |
| 04:43.06 | romainguy | an Outlook Express -> mbox converter |
| 04:43.07 | f00f- | i'm on efnet and rarely see them anymore |
| 04:43.14 | gdsx | romainguy: ... |
| 04:43.19 | romainguy | god, Microsoft is king to invent the most fucked file formats ever |
| 04:43.33 | gdsx | f00f-: aah, interesting |
| 04:43.45 | romainguy | your email is encoded as a fucking tree of blobs of 512 bytes of data |
| 04:43.58 | romainguy | in one single file |
| 04:44.03 | romainguy | it's just disgusting |
| 04:44.08 | f00f- | rofl |
| 04:44.15 | f00f- | that's very disturbing |
| 04:44.33 | f00f- | even in DOS days 512 bytes would have felt too little |
| 04:45.11 | gdsx | f00f-: 640K is too much, though |
| 04:45.16 | f00f- | :D |
| 04:49.08 | gdsx | http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Comp/comp.os.minix/2008-06/msg00015.html |
| 04:52.23 | muthu | anyone run minix? |
| 04:53.17 | f00f- | i hope you're joking |
| 04:55.05 | muthu | minix is a joke? |
| 04:56.04 | muthu | windows 3.1 runs in 2m |
| 05:05.08 | f00f- | 3.0 was sweet, i ran it in real mode |
| 05:05.42 | wastrel | i'm learning java - what should i concentrate on to be effective working on the android platform? |
| 05:06.48 | muthu | wastrel: just start coding in android |
| 05:06.54 | muthu | that's the best way to learn android |
| 05:06.58 | wastrel | i suppose |
| 05:07.14 | wastrel | there's a lot of java out there |
| 05:07.27 | f00f- | hello, world bro |
| 05:07.30 | muthu | android uses only a minimal subset |
| 05:07.36 | muthu | so just focus on android |
| 05:07.40 | wastrel | did the hello world. |
| 05:08.09 | muthu | wastrel: what's the app you building? |
| 05:08.34 | wastrel | nothing exciting, just a little thing with system info |
| 05:08.55 | muthu | yeah, develop it |
| 05:10.01 | wastrel | then i want to do a little sliding numbers game |
| 05:10.04 | wastrel | to get into a bit of graphics |
| 05:14.01 | f00f- | PedNav is technically derived from Hello world android app |
| 05:14.03 | f00f- | no joke |
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| 06:31.49 | muthu | now i know what to do |
| 06:32.43 | muthu | need to write a fully customized component using compound component controls and tweaking an existing component thereby going forth and componentizing! |
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| 06:40.36 | muthu | is there a popup window control? |
| 06:40.45 | romainguy__ | it's called PopupWindow |
| 06:40.54 | muthu | ok |
| 06:41.30 | muthu | romainguy__: alert dialog with cursor (multiple choice) is broken |
| 06:41.41 | romainguy__ | how so? |
| 06:41.57 | muthu | the checked shows up only for items on screen |
| 06:42.08 | muthu | as you scroll down, the check mark is gone |
| 06:42.26 | muthu | have tried in land/port |
| 06:42.32 | romainguy__ | how do you setup the multiple choice? |
| 06:42.43 | muthu | using the cursor constructor |
| 06:42.55 | romainguy__ | what cursor constructor? |
| 06:43.01 | muthu | arghh |
| 06:43.36 | muthu | public AlertDialog.Builder setMultiChoiceItems(Cursor cursor, String isCheckedColumn, String labelColumn, DialogInterface.OnMultiChoiceClickListener listener) |
| 06:44.07 | muthu | and this bug triggered me into custom components |
| 06:44.27 | romainguy__ | it's probably because you need to update the database |
| 06:44.36 | romainguy__ | since apparently the check value comes from a column name |
| 06:44.39 | muthu | romainguy__: database is on for all items |
| 06:44.47 | romainguy__ | what does that mean? |
| 06:45.00 | muthu | the column contains "1" |
| 06:45.04 | muthu | which means checked |
| 06:45.06 | muthu | for all rows |
| 06:45.23 | muthu | but the dialog only shows checked for the visible items |
| 06:45.36 | muthu | you scroll down.. the other items are shown "not checked" |
| 06:45.41 | romainguy__ | ok |
| 06:45.42 | romainguy__ | file a bug |
| 06:45.52 | muthu | ok |
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| 06:55.19 | muthu | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=955 |
| 07:02.23 | muthu | G1 is a great name |
| 07:02.29 | muthu | short and sweet |
| 07:02.34 | muthu | definitely beats iphone |
| 07:03.04 | muthu | +1 for marketing G1 |
| 07:04.41 | Adamant_ | iPhone sounds better |
| 07:04.44 | Adamant_ | honestly |
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| 07:04.52 | muthu | ha come on |
| 07:05.01 | romainguy__ | G1 is just one Android phone |
| 07:05.02 | muthu | iphone sounded better before G1 |
| 07:05.04 | romainguy__ | there will be many more |
| 07:05.12 | romainguy__ | so, who cares? :) |
| 07:05.19 | muthu | yeah, but tmo really nailed it with G1 |
| 07:05.22 | muthu | cool name |
| 07:05.56 | muthu | motorola come up with fancy names |
| 07:06.02 | muthu | wonder what they have for android |
| 07:06.26 | Adamant_ | romainguy: true |
| 07:06.28 | romainguy__ | probably Androidr |
| 07:06.41 | romainguy__ | or Andrdr |
| 07:06.52 | Adamant_ | TheseAreTheDroidsYou'reLookingFor |
| 07:07.04 | muthu | ando |
| 07:09.32 | Adamant_ | that sounds good |
| 07:09.35 | Adamant_ | Ando |
| 07:09.43 | Adamant_ | nice and friendly |
| 07:10.12 | muthu | Ando rocks |
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| 08:38.01 | muthu | romainguy__: have a doubt in photostream usersadapter |
| 08:38.24 | muthu | usersadpaters starts pulling data from the cursor in the constructor |
| 08:38.37 | muthu | is the cursor moved to first position? |
| 08:40.04 | romainguy | er what? |
| 08:40.08 | romainguy | it doesn't pull data |
| 08:40.55 | muthu | oh got it |
| 08:40.58 | muthu | my cursor must be empty |
| 08:41.38 | muthu | was in general wondered if the cursor was initialized correctly in adapter constructor |
| 08:42.51 | muthu | now i get a new one |
| 08:42.54 | muthu | E/AndroidRuntime( 445): Caused by: android.database.sqlite.SQLiteException: bind or column index out of range: handle 0x1e9890 |
| 08:47.49 | anno^da_ | good morning guys |
| 08:48.00 | anno^da_ | http://pulse2.com/2008/10/10/google-android-15-million-t-mobile-htc-g1s-have-been-pre-sold/ <- can this be true ? 1.5 million pre sold devices ? |
| 08:48.31 | muthu | that's huge |
| 08:49.29 | romainguy | I think they are mistaking the pre-order devices and the number of devices HTC said they wanted to manufacture |
| 08:49.33 | romainguy | it's not the same thing |
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| 08:51.03 | anno^da_ | Yeah thats what came to my mind as well. |
| 08:51.49 | muthu | big news |
| 08:51.58 | muthu | this is more than iphone |
| 08:53.23 | anno^da_ | romainguy: have you tested the iTunes remote control: http://dacp.jsharkey.org/ ? |
| 08:53.29 | anno^da_ | for Android |
| 08:57.44 | jasta | jeffrey's such a pimp :) |
| 08:57.55 | jasta | i didnt realize he reverse engineered that stuff hehe |
| 08:57.59 | anno^da_ | :-D |
| 09:02.06 | anno^da_ | A lot mac users will love that app :-) |
| 09:02.10 | umdk1d3 | wakes up, doing odd hours again |
| 09:02.26 | umdk1d3 | its snowing ^.^ |
| 09:03.12 | jasta | hmm, does minHeight work? |
| 09:04.59 | muthu | snow? |
| 09:05.06 | muthu | in SF? |
| 09:05.17 | jasta | oh yes, it does. it's just goofy :) |
| 09:05.48 | muthu | jasta: any idea on the sqliteexception |
| 09:06.00 | muthu | android.database.sqlite.SQLiteException: bind or column index out of range |
| 09:06.21 | jasta | whats the line that fired it? (uhh, are you using a column index out of range?) |
| 09:08.38 | muthu | why would it be out of range |
| 09:08.41 | muthu | its a regular query |
| 09:08.52 | jasta | just show me the line |
| 09:10.00 | muthu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.01 | muthu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.01 | muthu | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:10.18 | jasta | and which frame throws that exception? |
| 09:10.20 | mickrobk_ | snow?? |
| 09:10.30 | mickrobk_ | is excited for the ski season |
| 09:10.35 | umdk1d3 | =D |
| 09:10.45 | umdk1d3 | mickrobk_: were getting 6-10" in town, and up to 20" in mountains |
| 09:11.06 | muthu | E/AndroidRuntime( 259): Caused by: android.database.sqlite.SQLiteException: bind or column index out of range: handle 0x1a6650 |
| 09:11.09 | muthu | E/AndroidRuntime( 259): at android.database.sqlite.SQLiteProgram.native_bind_string(Native Method) |
| 09:11.12 | muthu | E/AndroidRuntime( 259): at android.database.sqlite.SQLiteProgram.bindString(SQLiteProgram.java:178) |
| 09:11.15 | muthu | E/AndroidRuntime( 259): at android.database.sqlite.SQLiteQuery.bindString(SQLiteQuery.java:174) |
| 09:11.18 | muthu | E/AndroidRuntime( 259): at android.database.sqlite.SQLiteDirectCursorDriver.query(SQLiteDirectCursorDriver.java:55) |
| 09:11.21 | muthu | E/AndroidRuntime( 259): at android.database.sqlite.SQLiteDatabase.rawQueryWithFactory(SQLiteDatabase.java:1017) |
| 09:11.23 | umdk1d3 | muthu: also you should do some SEO, cuz mobeegal should be at the top of its google page ;) |
| 09:11.25 | muthu | E/AndroidRuntime( 259): at android.database.sqlite.SQLiteQueryBuilder.query(SQLiteQueryBuilder.java:312) |
| 09:11.28 | muthu | E/AndroidRuntime( 259): at android.database.sqlite.SQLiteQueryBuilder.query(SQLiteQueryBuilder.java:262) |
| 09:11.33 | jasta | ugh |
| 09:11.43 | muthu | umdk1d3: yeah, first need to build it |
| 09:11.48 | mickrobk_ | umdk1d3: \o/ damn!! it dropped to 40 here today, no snow yet though, im jealous |
| 09:11.49 | muthu | this query was working |
| 09:11.54 | muthu | i copy paste into another activity |
| 09:11.56 | muthu | it fails |
| 09:12.30 | jasta | i meant the frame in your application space that generated it...surely it must be in your content provider |
| 09:12.58 | muthu | jasta: its the query statement |
| 09:13.11 | muthu | in the content provider |
| 09:13.18 | jasta | *ugh* |
| 09:14.09 | jasta | would you like me to look at your problem or not? |
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| 09:21.04 | muthu | the same query works elsewhere |
| 09:21.05 | muthu | wierd |
| 09:21.12 | muthu | weird |
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| 10:33.18 | muthu | OMG |
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| 12:50.18 | muthu | Android iTunes Remote Control: SWEET! |
| 12:50.26 | muthu | http://phandroid.com/2008/10/09/android-itunes-remote-control-sweet/ |
| 12:50.39 | muthu | da mon jeff |
| 12:51.05 | Disconnect | nice |
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| 13:04.48 | anno^da_ | get a Mac *cough* |
| 13:04.50 | anno^da_ | ;) |
| 13:07.54 | Disconnect | has a mac, but that says it works on windows too |
| 13:08.00 | Disconnect | (which i don't have, so..) |
| 13:08.28 | Disconnect | well.. i guess technically i've still got an xp vm around somewhere. and i don't think i deleted the vista vmware-fusion vm i was playing with a while back. but... |
| 13:10.33 | anno^da_ | I adore the look of this video: http://vimeo.com/1154024 |
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| 13:12.40 | Disconnect | nice. hv30? |
| 13:12.49 | Disconnect | wants to meet katie :P |
| 13:12.55 | anno^da_ | haha :-) |
| 13:13.00 | anno^da_ | yeah it is a hv30 |
| 13:13.28 | anno^da_ | but with the Breavis 35 |
| 13:13.41 | anno^da_ | -a |
| 13:14.40 | Disconnect | had to look that up - need a nice camcorder, have yet to get one |
| 13:15.40 | anno^da_ | Haha you had the same thoughts I had after watching that video |
| 13:15.48 | anno^da_ | and the HV30 is not that expensive |
| 13:16.04 | anno^da_ | Together with Final Cut Express you have a decent combination :-) |
| 13:17.55 | Disconnect | yah |
| 13:18.22 | Disconnect | random side note (ooh, an on-topic question! :) ..) does the g1 sync/save sms's to gmail? |
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| 13:19.35 | anno^da_ | A good question that i dont know :-) |
| 13:23.12 | Disconnect | anyone got a g1 ? |
| 13:23.21 | Disconnect | knows it'll be a few hours before googlers come to work |
| 13:23.43 | anno^da_ | :-) |
| 13:24.40 | anno^da_ | I hate waiting for a device. I waited 1 year for the Neo Freeruner to realize that it wouldn't fit my needs with Openmoko. And now I'm waiting again :-) |
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| 13:26.22 | Disconnect | lol |
| 13:28.38 | Disconnect | waiting gives me time to learn java :) (well, relearn, but .. it was 1998ish) |
| 13:29.14 | anno^da_ | well at the moment it gives me time to read some books about multithreading and patterns |
| 13:29.36 | anno^da_ | http://www.google.com/books?id=k4_7uAJrwkEC&pg=PA1&dq=Entwurfsmuster+von+Kopf&hl=de&sig=EkuNIumkuhTU4igUJ2fK8UhpZ2I#PPA62,M1 <- I love this one about patterns. It is so different to other books in that area. |
| 13:30.17 | Disconnect | ...different as in german? :) |
| 13:30.33 | Disconnect | ah its a headfirst book. yah thats the java one i'm reading :) |
| 13:30.51 | Disconnect | http://www.google.com/books?id=5VTBuvfZDyoC&printsec=frontcover&dq=head+first+java&hl=de&sig=ACfU3U2SjW-o83Y3TgOVlWRnWtBJnFcbvA |
| 13:31.00 | plusminus_ | I know someone with a g1 and I'm sooooo jealous :( ( http://www.anddev.org/get_your_android_application_tested_on_a_g1_-t3063.html ) |
| 13:31.31 | anno^da_ | Disconnect: great it seems to be similar to my pattern book |
| 13:31.33 | Disconnect | plusminus_: can you ask him if sms's are saved to the cloud? |
| 13:31.37 | anno^da_ | I must have a look at it :D |
| 13:31.51 | plusminus_ | Disconnect: You can ask him yourself :P |
| 13:31.54 | Disconnect | anno^da_: yah actually the guy next to me @ work (actual programmers - i'm the only sysadmin) is reading it |
| 13:32.20 | anno^da_ | Disconnect: Great so I have the next book to bookmark :-) |
| 13:32.31 | Disconnect | reading the design book that is |
| 13:32.42 | plusminus_ | Last Activity: 09 Oct 2008 @ 09:34am |
| 13:33.09 | Disconnect | oreilly offers it as part of their online reader but not in pdf/ebook :/ i have a scanned version tho, its ok for reading onscreen but terrible for portable devices (was hoping to read it on my cybook) |
| 13:34.05 | anno^da_ | I like this kind of books |
| 13:34.19 | anno^da_ | I dont know they are more practical and not only theorie |
| 13:34.49 | anno^da_ | -ie +y |
| 13:35.13 | Disconnect | its basically the same research that went into the dummies books, only with actual advanced technical content |
| 13:36.05 | anno^da_ | Oh great it is available here in german :-D |
| 13:36.09 | Disconnect | cool |
| 13:36.20 | anno^da_ | But they are expensive :D |
| 13:36.21 | Disconnect | has the scanned -english- version. |
| 13:36.42 | anno^da_ | Yeah it is just annoying to read everything on screen |
| 13:37.00 | anno^da_ | Without the 1500 dpi of normal paper |
| 13:37.25 | Disconnect | ugh. was hoping to get some coding done this weekend but .. tinyurl.com/firkin and then rennfest.com (forgot its 2nd-to-last-weekend, we do a big party sat night) |
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| 13:46.11 | bnovc | what windowing system does android use? is it custom? |
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| 13:47.56 | Disconnect | custom |
| 13:48.23 | Disconnect | grr it doesn't look like anddev does retries on the activation email :( stupid non-standard forum mailers |
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| 13:52.26 | Disconnect | can't ask cuz anddev mailer doesn't follow rfcs |
| 13:52.35 | Disconnect | so .. can someone else ask if sms's are saved to gmail? :) |
| 13:54.08 | muthu | hmm nice |
| 13:54.13 | muthu | if it gets save to gmail |
| 13:55.16 | Disconnect | otherwise its a serious lack in the "we don't need a sync" philosophy |
| 13:55.32 | Disconnect | hmm. is there a backup/restore app? |
| 13:56.53 | Disconnect | for that matter, the security doc doesn't really address what you can do to get root access (eg for backups, syncing, etc) |
| 13:57.03 | Disconnect | obviously it would need big huge user warnings but.. |
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| 14:29.28 | muthu | if buttons are added to a list, how to get the focus to the buttons, instead of list? |
| 14:29.52 | muthu | forgot how i did this before.. |
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| 14:36.12 | muthu | guess disable the list focus |
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| 14:44.54 | thinair | Hi, I d'like to communicate with a remote server using web-services. I should send picture/ and receive picture. What would you recommanded to use rest/soap/xml-rpc for android SDK 1. I find on anndev an rpc-xml sample (actually I did'nt try it. |
| 14:49.04 | jasta | are you controlling the server? |
| 14:49.10 | thinair | yes |
| 14:49.43 | thinair | and unfortunately it should be a .NET server... |
| 14:49.45 | jasta | i would use a RESTful API which, if you must use XML, encoded using WbXML |
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| 14:50.49 | jasta | please do realize that mobile devices are typically an order of magnitude slower, and what you might have thought to be relatively light and fast before could turn out to be far too heavy |
| 14:50.50 | thinair | RestFul will allow me to send picture to and back ? right ? |
| 14:51.03 | jasta | XML parsing, for instance, is enormously inefficient |
| 14:51.30 | muthu | you can't send picture with REST |
| 14:51.33 | thinair | ok, so I should try to avoid xml.. |
| 14:51.51 | jasta | REST is just a design philosophy of a service in which calls correspond to isolated HTTP requests and responses. |
| 14:51.54 | thinair | and use as much as possible the simpliest implementation.. |
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| 14:53.25 | jasta | thinair: yes, one strategy that i prefer is to have your server support both XML (perhaps for testing) and WbXML for your production implementation |
| 14:53.38 | jasta | being that they are mostly interchangable, this works well for those transitioning from the XML model |
| 14:53.48 | thinair | Could somebody point my at an rest api, which was already use in an android project ? I didn't find anything in the documentation of android about rest.. |
| 14:53.53 | jasta | also, Android includes kxml2 2.2.2, which has a WbXML parser |
| 14:54.12 | jasta | thinair: as I said, REST is a design philosophy and not a technology. |
| 14:54.19 | thinair | ok.. |
| 14:54.55 | jasta | and contrary to what muthu said earlier, a RESTful design could trivially support submitting and receiving images in a variety of ways. |
| 14:55.12 | thinair | android allow a network storage as provider.. could we imagine that behind this.. a restfull implementation is done with a remote server ? |
| 14:55.15 | jasta | in the case of binary data such as this, do realize that XML should be avoided conceptually. It isn't what you're after... |
| 14:55.35 | jasta | thinair: uhm, i'm really not sure why you're not getting this... |
| 14:55.45 | thinair | i would like to send metadata at the same moment (with the picture) |
| 14:56.27 | Disconnect | any anddev admins here? need my confirmation email resent (or, better, for you to fix the non-standard mailer to do retries like rfc requires :) ..) |
| 14:57.11 | thinair | jasta : I didn't understand, why I am not getting what ? |
| 14:57.28 | jasta | thinair: "a restful impl is done with a remote server?" |
| 14:58.01 | jasta | of course it would be done with a remote server. you would not implement this type of communication with local processes. for that, you'd use Android's binder. |
| 14:58.23 | thinair | jasta : on andev there is a code sample using xml-rpc ? you would recommand not to use it ? and try with rest.. |
| 14:58.32 | jasta | as for storage, sure, whatever, but i would implement some type of caching. mobile internet connections are sucky and slow |
| 14:58.51 | jasta | thinair: i would strongly advise you not use XML at all, and ESPECIALLY not XML-RPC. |
| 14:58.53 | Disconnect | jasta: no, no, they're blindingly fast and always available. haven't you watched at&t's 3g-network ads? :) |
| 14:59.19 | jasta | the only reason to use XML-RPC would be when you don't control the service you want to use, and some bonehead programmer gave you no other choice |
| 15:01.46 | jasta | thinair: it's not hard to see why. sniff some packets for a completely trivial server and you'll realize there is a terrible signal-to-noise ratio, and also there is a ridiculous document structure for the phone to choke on |
| 15:02.17 | jasta | really, you must get it through your head that phones are _SLOW_ and on a limited battery |
| 15:02.25 | jasta | you want them not do anything wasteful |
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| 15:10.54 | muthu | how to pass a parent event to a child in a view? |
| 15:11.01 | muthu | like a keystroke |
| 15:11.37 | cbeust_ | Events go the other way |
| 15:11.58 | muthu | oh ok |
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| 15:12.10 | muthu | then prolly i'm not handling in the child |
| 15:12.17 | muthu | lemme check |
| 15:13.19 | thinair | jasta: thank you ! I will try the restAPI now.. |
| 15:13.52 | jasta | REST isn't an API |
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| 15:25.13 | ttuttle | =D |
| 15:26.08 | jasta | hello |
| 15:27.22 | ttuttle | good morning jasta |
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| 15:28.49 | summatusmentis | I wish I had more time to play with Android |
| 15:29.28 | jasta | ditto |
| 15:29.50 | jasta | i wish i had more vacation. i would love to take 2 weeks off to work on this. |
| 15:30.26 | ttuttle | jasta: Oh, how is Five going? |
| 15:30.47 | jasta | Great, it's all building and running with the old UI |
| 15:30.56 | jasta | i'm polishing up some internal logic then i'll attack building a new UI |
| 15:31.06 | ttuttle | jasta: Nice. |
| 15:31.23 | jasta | There may or may not be a few Googlers roaming around San Francisco rocking out with it ;) |
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| 15:31.57 | ttuttle | jasta: Heh. |
| 15:32.05 | ttuttle | jasta: It'd be cool if Google bought it. |
| 15:32.06 | summatusmentis | what is Five? |
| 15:32.11 | summatusmentis | I assume it's an app |
| 15:32.23 | ttuttle | summatusmentis: Five is magic. |
| 15:32.34 | summatusmentis | I like magic |
| 15:32.41 | jasta | ttuttle: Why would they buy an open source project? :) |
| 15:32.50 | ttuttle | jasta: Well, pay you to work on it. |
| 15:32.51 | jasta | It would be cooler if they just bought up all the developers |
| 15:32.55 | jasta | i.e. ME! :P |
| 15:33.00 | ttuttle | jasta: Yeah. |
| 15:33.02 | summatusmentis | they might not, they might just hire the main dev |
| 15:33.05 | summatusmentis | :) |
| 15:33.11 | summatusmentis | I'm slow at typing |
| 15:33.15 | ttuttle | summatusmentis: That's okay. |
| 15:33.36 | summatusmentis | http://codespeak.net/z3/five/ this five? |
| 15:33.53 | jasta | no, this five: five.googlecode.com |
| 15:36.02 | jasta | ttuttle: you're more than welcome to try it out if you'd like, i'd love the feedback :P |
| 15:36.36 | jasta | though do realize that the UI is just slopped together from the old crap. it's at its core what it will be for the production release but lots of screens are not quite what they should be. |
| 15:38.25 | ttuttle | jasta: So, my expectations for Android UIs is not very high yet. |
| 15:39.04 | jasta | well that's great, because mine sucks |
| 15:39.05 | ttuttle | glares at whoever STANDARDIZED ON "OK" AND "CANCEL" BUTTONS IN CONFIRMATION DIALOGS! |
| 15:41.07 | jasta | ttuttle: well anyway it's usable now if you have a media server with Linux on it somewhere... |
| 15:41.39 | ttuttle | jasta: My laptop can do that ;-) |
| 15:42.08 | jasta | it's not that difficult to set up either. the INSTALL instructions are updated and correct to build the whole thing (server included) |
| 15:42.18 | jasta | the server is dead simple, with a GTK setup GUI at first |
| 15:42.33 | jasta | and the client is pretty obvious too. install both five-client and five-music, then run Five Sync and fill in your server address. |
| 15:42.41 | jasta | that's basically it |
| 15:42.58 | ttuttle | jasta: nice |
| 15:43.04 | ttuttle | jasta: I assume it works well over WiFi? |
| 15:43.09 | jasta | of course though the server claims to support UPnP, it currently does not. So you'll have to make arrangements to get the connection from your router to your server. |
| 15:43.18 | ttuttle | jasta: (I don't want to push all the junk over EDGE.) |
| 15:43.25 | jasta | it works best over Wi-Fi of course. but 3G and EDGE work just fine |
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| 15:43.32 | ttuttle | jasta: Cool. |
| 15:44.35 | summatusmentis | jasta: so it's a way to stream media, as compared to keeping a local copy on the phone |
| 15:44.53 | jasta | well, it does keep a cache on the phone |
| 15:45.07 | summatusmentis | what's the backend technology? |
| 15:45.16 | jasta | i wrote the server using libsyncml |
| 15:45.25 | summatusmentis | I see |
| 15:45.40 | summatusmentis | it sounds sort of like AFS, but obviously isn't |
| 15:46.09 | ttuttle | AFS?! |
| 15:46.13 | ttuttle | You mean Andrew File System? |
| 15:46.15 | jasta | it is nothing like AFS |
| 15:46.20 | summatusmentis | ttuttle: yeah |
| 15:46.25 | jasta | extremely different from any type of remote file system, in fact |
| 15:46.36 | ttuttle | It's like AFS in that it has a cache. That's the only similarity. |
| 15:46.40 | jasta | the point is that it streams/caches only media, never meta data. |
| 15:46.41 | summatusmentis | jasta: well, the caching locally, etc sounded like AFS |
| 15:46.45 | jasta | meta data is always locally present |
| 15:46.51 | jasta | which makes it nothing like a generalized file system |
| 15:46.55 | summatusmentis | right |
| 15:47.05 | jasta | and also way more useful on a phone with a crap connection |
| 15:47.13 | summatusmentis | so meta data is synced to the phone, and the media itself comes from streaming? |
| 15:47.56 | jasta | yes. |
| 15:48.12 | jasta | so scrolling around looking for music is all local data, as provided by the server |
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| 15:48.21 | jasta | playing music will use cache or stream when necessary |
| 15:48.34 | jasta | and it will prefetch and all kinds of other goodness to ensure a good user experience |
| 15:49.27 | gambi | hi, i'm just starting with the sdk and i cant use eclipse. how do i refresh with aapt my R.java file? i tried this: aapt p -M AndroidManifest.xml -I ~/Frameworks/android-sdk-mac_x86-1.0_r1/android.jar -S . but something is missing... what do i need to change? |
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| 15:56.49 | gambi | hm, looks like everybody is using eclipse :( |
| 15:58.17 | romainguy | there's no need to invoke aapt yourself |
| 15:58.31 | romainguy | even if you don't use Eclipse, you can use the build.xml file for Ant generated by the activitycreator tool |
| 15:58.46 | summatusmentis | jasta: that looks really cool :) |
| 15:59.24 | gambi | romainguy: thanks :) |
| 15:59.58 | muthu | romainguy: when a gallery is added to a list.. the gallery doesn't scroll to right/left |
| 16:00.03 | romainguy | it does |
| 16:00.10 | muthu | hmm |
| 16:00.12 | romainguy | our Market app does it :) |
| 16:00.36 | muthu | yeah working out similar view |
| 16:00.48 | muthu | how about grid? |
| 16:01.43 | muthu | is there a way to pass the keydown event to the gallery? |
| 16:01.51 | muthu | from whatever parent view |
| 16:01.58 | romainguy | there is no need to do such a thing |
| 16:02.15 | romainguy | but your adapter needs to tell ListView that its elements are focusable |
| 16:02.24 | muthu | how? |
| 16:02.32 | romainguy | look at the Adapter API |
| 16:02.37 | muthu | ok |
| 16:02.44 | romainguy | anyway, off to work |
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| 16:02.53 | muthu | the events docs need some work |
| 16:02.57 | muthu | not really clear |
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| 16:03.19 | ttuttle | muthu: Many docs need work. |
| 16:03.27 | romainguy__ | muthu: file bugs |
| 16:04.14 | muthu | allrighty |
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| 16:45.57 | jasta | there are so many people posting to android-developers these days that are just asking people to teach them Java basically |
| 16:46.18 | jasta | "how do i download a file with Android?" like it's any different... |
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| 16:47.13 | f00f- | also this channel needs a FAQ |
| 16:47.17 | anno^da_ | :-) |
| 16:47.24 | f00f- | in the topic for newbs |
| 16:47.56 | anno^da_ | ist hinking about his noobish questions to jasta :-) |
| 16:48.41 | jasta | f00f-: agreed |
| 16:49.23 | muthu | this focus thing is pretty annoying |
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| 16:49.50 | anno^da_ | Well but I think that it is great to see even beginners starting to developer for Android |
| 16:49.55 | anno^da_ | -r |
| 16:51.07 | muthu | that's the beauty of android |
| 16:51.08 | jasta | i...don't think that's great. |
| 16:51.22 | jasta | anno^da_: there will be a lot of really crappy, unstable, and slow software on Android as a result :) |
| 16:51.43 | muthu | yeah, and there's will be great ones too |
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| 16:51.54 | muthu | the market will take care of that |
| 16:52.06 | jasta | and the great ones won't be produced by helpness newbies :) |
| 16:52.26 | ttuttle | So I'd like to see some sort of developer certification, so developers who write really good professional software can get a tag on the market that says that. |
| 16:52.29 | muthu | a platform needs to attract everyone |
| 16:52.30 | anno^da_ | jasta: But they will get better ;). I dont think that only the "advanced" developers should have the chance to develope. |
| 16:52.36 | ttuttle | Without locking the newbie developers out either. |
| 16:52.48 | jasta | ttuttle: meh, if the market is any good the user reviews and popularity of the app should determine that well enough |
| 16:52.49 | anno^da_ | That would be some elite thing that I dont like. |
| 16:52.59 | f00f- | yeah, i hate certifications |
| 16:53.00 | muthu | android is the visual basic of mobile development |
| 16:53.12 | f00f- | muthu: not quite, but almost ;) |
| 16:53.23 | jasta | anno^da_: "the chance"? everyone gets a chance to do anything, it's just that there's a high probability of failure for idiots :) |
| 16:53.34 | Disconnect | wonders where he counts - 15 years as a dev, 8 years as an admin, relearning java.. |
| 16:53.39 | jasta | or, in certain industries, a high probability of success hehe |
| 16:53.42 | anno^da_ | Well but what would be your solution for that ? |
| 16:53.49 | ttuttle | muthu: NO! |
| 16:53.53 | ttuttle | muthu: It's nowhere near that bad! |
| 16:53.58 | muthu | hehe |
| 16:54.01 | Disconnect | do i get a fancy badge or am i considered on par with a 13 year old cut-and-paste kid? |
| 16:54.06 | jasta | anno^da_: none, i'm not saying it like it's a solvable problem. it's just gonna exist, for sure :) |
| 16:54.08 | anno^da_ | I dont see the point. You have to start at some point. |
| 16:54.19 | ttuttle | Disconnect: Nah, you'd be able to pick it up fairly quickly and get the cert, if there was one., |
| 16:54.21 | anno^da_ | Ok thats true. :-) |
| 16:54.22 | jasta | Android and Java being so _apparently_ simple will attract lots of folks who oversimplify and can't write good apps |
| 16:54.53 | muthu | there's a reason google picked java |
| 16:54.55 | Disconnect | jasta: that happened with everything from (in modern times) html to iphone. cream floats. |
| 16:55.10 | ttuttle | muthu: It's fairly feature-rich, and easy to code in? |
| 16:55.14 | ttuttle | muthu: Oh, and don't forget the VM. |
| 16:55.32 | muthu | ooh yeah |
| 16:55.52 | jasta | i didn't mean to start a big discussion about it hehe |
| 16:56.07 | ttuttle | jasta: #android has nothing better to do ;-) |
| 16:56.16 | jasta | i was just commenting that proper development in Java (and/or on Android) is not without its complexities... |
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| 16:56.45 | jasta | i have found that i've put tremendous energy into nuances of my project, making things work efficiently, stable, and correct. |
| 16:57.09 | ttuttle | jasta: Good. |
| 16:57.15 | jasta | a pleasant environment, absolutely, but nothing that any retard will pick up and develop proper apps for |
| 16:57.31 | ttuttle | jasta: I don't think proper (as in high-quality, not just "working") software development is "simple" on *any* platform. |
| 16:57.52 | anno^da_ | Well but thats not the point. For sure the beginners wont be able to develope an app like Five. |
| 16:57.53 | jasta | yeah, absolutely. correctness takes a long time to understand. |
| 16:58.33 | jasta | hehe, my roommate was asking me some questions about C last night... |
| 16:59.07 | jasta | and i responded with the answer but added, "honestly though i can't remember how i know that." |
| 16:59.27 | jasta | his reply, "Well, that's because you're basically a C compiler, Josh." |
| 16:59.28 | jasta | hehe |
| 16:59.37 | muthu | hehe |
| 16:59.41 | anno^da_ | Thats it :D |
| 16:59.58 | anno^da_ | Do you remember the times you started coding ? :-) |
| 17:00.28 | jasta | yeah |
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| 17:03.02 | jasta | well, that depends on what you mean hehe |
| 17:03.18 | jasta | i was writing BASIC at 11, but i dont count that really |
| 17:03.26 | jasta | i learned C when i was 13, and wrote Gnapster when i was 15. |
| 17:03.36 | Disconnect | learned turboC at around 8 or so |
| 17:04.06 | gdsx | jasta: have you seen The Italian Job? |
| 17:05.23 | jasta | no |
| 17:05.28 | jasta | man, we have this reader board at work |
| 17:05.33 | anno^da_ | Oh god I'm afraid of you :D. |
| 17:05.34 | jasta | and we use Firefox fullscreened with some shitty HTML on it |
| 17:05.46 | jasta | i want to put Android on it now |
| 17:05.50 | jasta | and rewrite the reader board code ;) |
| 17:05.52 | Disconnect | wow i can't even find anything earlier than turbo c 2.0.1 online. funny. i've prolly still got the floppies upstairs. |
| 17:05.55 | jasta | that would be slick |
| 17:06.11 | jasta | anno^da_: hmm? |
| 17:06.21 | Disconnect | jasta: reader? eink dealy? |
| 17:06.45 | jasta | it's just a plasma mounted on the wall for folks that come into the office |
| 17:06.57 | anno^da_ | jasta: It is just that I dont see myself learning this ever. :-) |
| 17:07.06 | jasta | that has some custom software i slapped together to let us basically write on it and say things like "Welcome to our foobar training event" |
| 17:07.21 | jasta | anno^da_: well, then you won't. |
| 17:07.32 | wastrel | learning what? |
| 17:09.08 | Disconnect | ah ok |
| 17:09.14 | anno^da_ | jasta: That is true. But I think there is a boarder when it comes to talent. Dont you think so ? |
| 17:09.23 | gdsx | anno^da_: no |
| 17:09.27 | jasta | err, not really |
| 17:09.42 | jasta | there is certainly a point where you'll give up if you're not that interested. |
| 17:09.48 | gdsx | there's a limit when it comes to motivation, though |
| 17:09.51 | anno^da_ | Well I know it from sports. Some people will never get over some point. |
| 17:09.52 | gdsx | nods at jasta |
| 17:09.56 | jasta | as einstein says, "i have no special talents, i am only passionately curious" |
| 17:10.20 | gdsx | anno^da_: in most cases, I think it's because those people don't work hard enough |
| 17:10.20 | wastrel | i have no special talents, i am just addicted to IRC |
| 17:10.26 | jasta | anno^da_: those people are just quitters. they should take steroids ;) |
| 17:10.40 | anno^da_ | Great. Then I will go on learning it :D |
| 17:11.00 | jasta | unless you have a mental handicap of some kind, you should be able to figure this out :) |
| 17:11.25 | jasta | programming is really quite simple. it's about collecting a large set of rules and abstracting them as patterns. then, arranging those familiar patterns. |
| 17:11.30 | anno^da_ | Great. I'm just having a handicap with math. :D |
| 17:11.48 | gdsx | anno^da_: do you enjoy math at all? |
| 17:12.05 | anno^da_ | gdsx: Hmm to be honest not really. |
| 17:12.16 | gdsx | anno^da_: well, there's your problem :o) |
| 17:12.36 | jasta | well, i don't know about that generalization |
| 17:12.58 | jasta | i mean, id o like math so i'm no counter-example, but i think math and programming share something in common, but they are not necessarily mutually supportive |
| 17:13.54 | gdsx | jasta: No, anno^da_ mentioned "not being good at math". I was just generalizing from above -- If you're not interested in learning about something, in most cases you won't learn about it |
| 17:14.04 | jasta | oh yes, ok then |
| 17:15.15 | anno^da_ | gdsx: definetly. I just got the fact that I dont like math very much but like to learn programming always in the back of my head. And well I'm afraid that this problem just leads me to a dead-end street. (I dont know if thats proper english :-) ) |
| 17:16.00 | gdsx | anno^da_: math is fun, though; check out some problems on projecteuler |
| 17:16.59 | anno^da_ | projecteuler? |
| 17:17.13 | anno^da_ | (I dont get the meaning of it :-) ) |
| 17:17.25 | gdsx | google it |
| 17:17.43 | anno^da_ | ah Euler :-) |
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| 17:32.19 | jasta | i actually remember feeling really discouraged when i was in my early teens |
| 17:32.26 | jasta | like that it was hopeless |
| 17:32.39 | jasta | but then i was told myself to stop being such a whiny emo loser and buck up :) |
| 17:32.42 | jasta | -was |
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| 17:41.21 | jasta | E/MediaPlayer( 707): setDataSource called in state 0 |
| 17:41.25 | jasta | what's state 0? |
| 17:41.27 | jasta | i keep wondering about this |
| 17:43.23 | jasta | what state 0 and 1? |
| 17:44.46 | tethridge | I read the "first" user review yesterday and it mentioned that the g1 needed to be restarted regularly to keep it running correctly. Anybody else here have access to a g1 that can comment on this issue? A problem with memory leaks has me somewhat concerned. |
| 17:45.06 | romainguy_ | tethridge: I don't know what he did with his phone but that's definitely not my experience |
| 17:45.49 | romainguy_ | the phone I have in my pocket has been running for more than 10 days now |
| 17:46.13 | tethridge | romainguy, the other issue he mentioned was occasional studdering of apps when starting applications. What about that? |
| 17:46.33 | tethridge | he didn't mention what apps he had running so that could have been a factor |
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| 17:47.15 | YanivC | afternoon folks |
| 17:47.19 | YanivC | hello Rayado |
| 17:47.42 | YanivC | question please.... how much wood could a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? |
| 17:48.10 | YanivC | next on the agenda.... does android have a simple alert? Ive gone onto the code blog and theres no direct answer |
| 17:48.26 | romainguy_ | YanivC: what do you mean by "simple alert"? |
| 17:48.37 | YanivC | like an alert box (message box) |
| 17:48.52 | romainguy_ | you have Dialog and AlertDialog |
| 17:48.56 | YanivC | i.e. javascript : alert('wheres the dang alert box'); |
| 17:49.02 | romainguy_ | you can also use a Toast |
| 17:49.16 | YanivC | no thanks just ate... alert dialog u say? |
| 17:49.31 | wastrel | you're not supposed to use those i thought |
| 17:49.32 | romainguy_ | or Toast :) |
| 17:49.36 | YanivC | lol |
| 17:49.37 | romainguy_ | wastrel: ?? |
| 17:49.38 | wastrel | the notification area for info |
| 17:49.57 | YanivC | can someone hint at the recommended method for alerting? |
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| 17:50.12 | romainguy_ | YanivC: AlertDialog or Toast :) |
| 17:50.17 | jasta | actually, this has me perked up too... |
| 17:50.21 | YanivC | ok cool |
| 17:50.34 | jasta | romainguy_: i'd like to pick your brain a bit on five with regard to alerts... |
| 17:50.50 | jasta | how do you think it should be handled when for whatever reason streaming can't happen (no network, server dead, etc)? |
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| 17:51.05 | jasta | i was thinking a notification when the server responds broken, and an alert when the server never responds (no network) |
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| 17:51.22 | YanivC | i see most of the time tho people hand alerts on thier own, i.e. instantiating an alertdialog class |
| 17:51.35 | YanivC | wouldnt a generic void be best for something like that? |
| 17:51.47 | romainguy_ | jasta: I would personally stay away from dialogs and other forms of popups as much as possible |
| 17:51.57 | YanivC | ya but sometimes you HAVE to |
| 17:52.23 | romainguy_ | not really |
| 17:52.42 | jasta | romainguy_: so notifications even when the network stops responding? |
| 17:53.02 | romainguy_ | what do you mean by notifications? notifications in the status bar? |
| 17:53.06 | jasta | yes |
| 17:53.15 | YanivC | romainguy_... so ure saying just have a textview to display the notification? |
| 17:53.17 | romainguy_ | I was definitely *not* advocating this :) |
| 17:53.25 | jasta | i could have an icon that is the player icon with a bang on it, when playback is busted |
| 17:53.54 | jasta | romainguy_: you dont advocate using a Notification? |
| 17:54.13 | romainguy_ | the status bar space is scarce |
| 17:54.30 | romainguy_ | it's not cool to crowd it with stuff that doesn't really require your attention |
| 17:54.35 | romainguy_ | but if you update your play icon, that's fine |
| 17:54.42 | romainguy_ | just don't put a second icon |
| 17:54.53 | jasta | right, my player uses an icon to indicate playback and a notif that shows whats playing |
| 17:55.11 | jasta | so i could just change that anytime the song is choking or busted to just a player icon with a "!" on it or somethin |
| 17:55.27 | jasta | and text that explains whats up |
| 17:55.51 | jasta | i should actually use an icon too to indicate buffering, but i can't because the mediaplayer ;) |
| 17:55.56 | romainguy_ | then you'd have to try this feature on a device to see if it doesn't get annoying when the phone loses connection in bad reception areas :) |
| 17:56.12 | jasta | well, the icon would only throw up when playback has been halted totally beacuse of this error |
| 17:56.39 | jasta | then the system is supposed to go into offline mode (doesn't yet) |
| 17:56.56 | jasta | but still, there's lots of caching/prefetching, so the notification would only come up when playback can't proceed |
| 17:59.35 | YanivC | OMG this is so much fun :) |
| 17:59.46 | YanivC | i think im falling in love lol |
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| 18:03.21 | Disconnect | with android? |
| 18:03.56 | YanivC | ya :) |
| 18:05.07 | YanivC | now if they would just build a better IDE i would switch to JAVA at least like... 50% :) |
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| 18:09.32 | jasta | how the heck do i use adb logcat filterspecs? i've never been able to figure this out |
| 18:09.57 | romainguy_ | tagname:level |
| 18:10.07 | jasta | but it always prints everything |
| 18:10.11 | romainguy_ | for instance adb lolcat Email:d for the Debug level and the Email tag |
| 18:10.15 | romainguy_ | oh and I forgot |
| 18:10.19 | romainguy_ | you want to add *:s too |
| 18:10.23 | romainguy_ | to silence everything else |
| 18:10.40 | fadden_ | I think it goes left to right, so you'd want the "*:s" first. |
| 18:11.52 | wastrel | lolcat app |
| 18:11.54 | wastrel | that would be good |
| 18:11.57 | jasta | the docs suck, i wouldve never figured that out |
| 18:13.52 | romainguy_ | wastrel: adb lolcat works :) |
| 18:14.02 | jasta | ahh, adb logcat -s Foo works |
| 18:15.10 | jasta | *yargh* |
| 18:15.16 | jasta | seriously, what the hell is state 0 of the MediaPlayer? |
| 18:15.39 | wastrel | adb lolcat eh. i'm at work unfortunately :] |
| 18:15.44 | jeld | how does layout_weight property works? |
| 18:16.16 | YanivC | i think its sort of like z-index ca. css |
| 18:16.47 | jeld | I was looking for a way to equally distribute controls in a layout and width="0dip" weight="1" did the magic trick, now I want to find out how the magic works :) |
| 18:16.52 | romainguy_ | jeld: it indicates how much of the remaining empty space you want to allocate to the widget |
| 18:17.12 | romainguy_ | in this case if all your controls have the same weight, the remaining space will be equally distributed |
| 18:17.28 | romainguy_ | and by setting them all to a width of 0, the remaining space == the total available space |
| 18:17.30 | jeld | romainguy, why didn't it work the same by default? |
| 18:17.35 | romainguy_ | (using width=0 also triggers an optimization) |
| 18:18.14 | jeld | what optimization? |
| 18:18.38 | romainguy_ | it's faster |
| 18:18.44 | jeld | OK |
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| 18:25.13 | jeld | romainguy, thanks |
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| 18:28.53 | jasta | ok, this has got to be a bug |
| 18:28.55 | jasta | what the hell |
| 18:29.31 | jasta | all i'm doing is calling setDataSource, prepareAsync, then stop (before start), reset, and setDataSource again |
| 18:29.38 | jasta | and that causes an illegalstateexception |
| 18:29.45 | jasta | it only works if after prepareAsync is a start first |
| 18:30.11 | jasta | so apparently the MediaPlayer can't be reset and tossed before it starts playing? that's ridiculous, playback of a stream doesn't begin until after the buffer fills |
| 18:30.21 | jasta | surely the user may wish to cancel their stream before that happens |
| 18:30.33 | jasta | i guess i could go back to stupidly recycling the MediaPlayer object |
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| 18:40.28 | dmoffett | did you try reset? |
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| 18:40.53 | dmoffett | Resets the MediaPlayer to its uninitialized state. |
| 18:41.12 | YanivC | whats with the crazy ass naming convention here? No uppercase letter for xml file name? |
| 18:41.24 | wastrel | hi |
| 18:50.47 | jasta | dmoffett: yes, my series of calls (as i just logged) is: |
| 18:50.58 | jasta | D/StreamMediaPlayer( 1101): stop |
| 18:50.58 | jasta | D/StreamMediaPlayer( 1101): reset |
| 18:50.58 | jasta | D/StreamMediaPlayer( 1101): setDataSource |
| 18:50.58 | jasta | D/StreamMediaPlayer( 1101): prepareAsync |
| 18:50.58 | jasta | D/StreamMediaPlayer( 1101): stop |
| 18:51.00 | jasta | D/StreamMediaPlayer( 1101): reset |
| 18:51.03 | jasta | D/StreamMediaPlayer( 1101): setDataSource |
| 18:51.20 | jasta | the second setDataSource throws IllegalStateException. the reason it does so is because play() was never called. If play() is called, it won't do this |
| 18:51.31 | dmoffett | I see. |
| 18:52.12 | dmoffett | seems like a bug to me. |
| 18:53.30 | dmoffett | so you are calling stop? |
| 18:54.03 | dmoffett | why are you calling stop if you have not started play? |
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| 18:58.51 | jasta | dmoffett: well, normally i do not |
| 18:58.57 | jasta | i added it because thats what i thought was broken :) |
| 18:59.08 | jasta | i originally just called reset, setDataSource |
| 18:59.21 | jasta | the bug is that between prepareAsync and play(), the MediaPlayer is in a state which cannot be manipulated it seems |
| 18:59.34 | jasta | but after my failure to call setDataSource, i can call it again and have it work |
| 19:00.03 | dmoffett | I see, interested since my app may face a similar issue. |
| 19:01.40 | jasta | if i call play (if i wait until prepared listener fires, then trigger this code), it works |
| 19:02.03 | dmoffett | Cool, thanks. |
| 19:02.10 | jasta | i'm gonna try working around it by catching the illegalstateexception and trying one more time before throwing |
| 19:02.19 | jasta | i filed issue 957 |
| 19:05.07 | Disconnect | hmm. my upset at anddev mailer daemon might be incorrect, looks like my mailserver was moderately broken. kinda.. well.. refusing all mail. |
| 19:05.29 | tomgibara | How are all of the android application stores that are springing-up preventing people from downloading the apks and then redistributing them? |
| 19:05.31 | Disconnect | we'l see if it does retries tho :) |
| 19:06.26 | YanivC | so has anyone written a virtual portrait keyboard for android yet? |
| 19:06.34 | YanivC | like a suretype keyboard |
| 19:07.27 | tomgibara | YanivC: I might, if/when I see the API Google provide for it |
| 19:07.43 | YanivC | its supposed tobe out soon isnt it? |
| 19:08.05 | YanivC | hey is there a preferred method in using either menu items or buttons? |
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| 19:09.38 | tomgibara | YanivC: do you mean new APIs? |
| 19:10.07 | YanivC | well i mean the WHOLE sdk |
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| 19:10.35 | tomgibara | The 1.0 SDK is available now |
| 19:11.37 | YanivC | no ya i know that... but I remember reading online just a few days ago that there are parts of the sdk that arent yet released, or something to that effect |
| 19:12.38 | tomgibara | Various significant parts of the SDK source code are to be released around the time that phones become available on the 22nd of this month. Maybe that's what you read. |
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| 19:19.24 | YanivC | ummmm pray tell ye gurus of android.... how doeseth one placeth an image onto wherein the menu item? |
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| 19:20.03 | YanivC | tomgibara prolly |
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| 19:22.35 | tomgibara | YanivC: That's very poor Elizabethan English. Try MenuItem.setIcon() |
| 19:23.15 | YanivC | tomgibara :) sorry.... Im rusty on my Victorian English |
| 19:23.22 | YanivC | or Elizabethian |
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| 19:25.04 | YanivC | ok got it... so instantion menu item (MenuItem M) and then setIcon... cool beans |
| 19:29.00 | YanivC | wow... Im really impressed with how is it is to pick up android so far |
| 19:29.06 | YanivC | how easy it is |
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| 19:40.36 | dmoffett | We are passing into positive territory. Dow up +101.3. It would be nice if we have a strong recovery for the release of Android. |
| 19:40.45 | Disconnect | aims to turn his first java app this century into a simple little android app (for $1) tonight. with a ready-for-testers version mondayish hopefully :) |
| 19:40.48 | Disconnect | lol |
| 19:42.31 | Disconnect | i don't think the phone has much to do with the down |
| 19:42.33 | Disconnect | er, dow |
| 19:42.45 | jeld | I want to bind a List<String> to a ListView. Do I create and set SimpleAdapter? Is there a sample code somewhere? |
| 19:43.50 | dmoffett | The success of Android depends on people spending money. If they see they have lost a lot their current phone may seem like a prudent choice. |
| 19:45.04 | jeld | dmoffett, http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gHs5OM3gFG_DytQQZFbWfgPT08MAD93NLU480 |
| 19:46.25 | dmoffett | My expectations are certainly lower, so I would be happy if the DOW closes in positive territory. :-) |
| 19:46.31 | Hero- | I wonder what nokia does to counter android, I read somehting about making symbian easier |
| 19:47.36 | unix_lappy | well they own majority market share. |
| 19:47.58 | unix_lappy | so as more people buy smartphones, it makes sense to get communities involved and excited about their platform. |
| 19:49.22 | Hero- | I wonder if symbian can be 'cleaned' so it will offer a more joyous programming environment |
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| 19:50.07 | Disconnect | i used to think palm was the worst small-device bastardazation of a standard language i'd ever see. then i saw symbian. (i still have nightmares.) |
| 19:50.29 | Disconnect | series 80 tho, dunno if s60 was better. |
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| 19:52.31 | Hero- | there is some new nokia 'iphone'(UI)like coming out, wonder if it be on symbian |
| 19:52.50 | Hero- | guessing major rewite if so |
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| 19:58.26 | unix_lappy | well it's essentially a bunch of layers, though no one besides nokia knows how integrated they are and whether their new UI will essentially be an Windows Mobile 6.1 like debauchery |
| 19:59.05 | unix_lappy | i've heard that without question it's not the most enjoyable web platform to play with. |
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| 20:18.18 | jasta | dmoffett: you there? |
| 20:18.28 | dmoffett | yes |
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| 20:19.37 | jasta | i think i might have a work around, but then i broke it with stupid shit |
| 20:19.40 | jasta | so nm, hang on again :) |
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| 20:25.46 | jasta | dmoffett: my solution works. catch IllegalStateException, call reset(), then setDataSource agian. |
| 20:25.50 | jasta | and that will work |
| 20:26.38 | dmoffett | Nice |
| 20:27.20 | dmoffett | Well maybe not nice but a work around. Thank you. |
| 20:27.26 | jasta | mp.reset(); |
| 20:27.26 | jasta | try { mp.setDataSource(url); |
| 20:27.26 | jasta | } catch (IllegalStateException e) { mp.reset(); mp.setDataSource(url); |
| 20:27.26 | jasta | } |
| 20:27.27 | jasta | mp.prepareAsync(); |
| 20:27.35 | jasta | that didnt paste well, but you get the idea |
| 20:27.36 | jasta | that works |
| 20:27.43 | dmoffett | Cool, thanks |
| 20:28.46 | jasta | but of course you need way more code there to make it work |
| 20:28.51 | jasta | because you need to reset all your listeners |
| 20:29.06 | jasta | but i've wrapped the class so i can hide this bug completely |
| 20:32.52 | dmoffett | What is the name of your class? I assume I can check it out from Five? |
| 20:33.12 | dmoffett | Not that I would peek or anything. :-) |
| 20:33.20 | jasta | StreamMediaPlayer |
| 20:33.34 | jasta | but there's a lot of supporting code, LocalHttpServer, TailStream, etc. |
| 20:33.51 | jasta | it's essentially my encapsulated class to work around all the sucky evils of the MediaPlayer |
| 20:33.57 | jasta | but it doesn't work around all of them |
| 20:34.04 | jasta | just all the ones i care about :) |
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| 20:34.52 | dmoffett | do you think changes are on the way or Google is satisfied with the current level of functionality? |
| 20:35.11 | jasta | honestly, i dont know. i hope they are open to contributors because i would love nothing more than to fix this miserable piece of crap class |
| 20:35.37 | jasta | i havent committed my work around yet btw, if you go look |
| 20:35.40 | jasta | i will in just a second |
| 20:35.50 | wastrel | commit what now? |
| 20:36.22 | dmoffett | I am in Objective C land now. Android land tonight so no worries. |
| 20:36.43 | wastrel | iphone |
| 20:37.13 | dmoffett | In this case OSX applications. |
| 20:38.04 | jasta | dmoffett: btw, my StreamMediaPlayer essentially adds setDataSource(RandomAccessStream) |
| 20:38.18 | jasta | uses an HTTP server to do this, but its implementation is pretty well isolated from that |
| 20:39.26 | Terdhex | has anybody gotten an EMAIL application to work on android 1.0? |
| 20:39.42 | wastrel | doesn't it come with an imap client? |
| 20:40.18 | Terdhex | I was looking into SMTP'ing something out |
| 20:41.50 | dmoffett | jasta: It will not hurt to study some code. Coding in isolation f tends to create a narrow view of things. |
| 20:42.00 | dmoffett | I would like to look at your HTTP server as well. |
| 20:42.23 | jasta | actually, i'm rewriting the http server next. i used httpcore for the initial implementation, but i am not happy with how heavy it is |
| 20:42.36 | jasta | i will reimplement it all myself (the subset of http i implement is very trivial) |
| 20:45.02 | dmoffett | Cool, I wrote one years ago in Java but I am sure it was pretty lame. Can't think of to many lines of code that I would not go back an re-write. :-) |
| 20:50.55 | jasta | fixing logic/synchronization bugs now tho :) |
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| 21:02.19 | herriojr | hey, is it possible to restrict what applications can read from a provider based on userID? |
| 21:02.41 | herriojr | so I can make it so only my userID can access it? |
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| 21:33.35 | alexsaproshin | hm |
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| 21:39.09 | abc[android] | why quite? |
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| 21:43.29 | mohbana | Android coming to the HTC Touch HD? someone please tell me this is true, i'd hate to guy the G1 to discover that a better phone will ship android |
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| 22:10.22 | umdk1d3 | mohbana: of course there will be better phones lol |
| 22:11.26 | umdk1d3 | and to be honest i can see tmob holding back supply to create insane demand over next few months, so it might be very hard for developers to get their hands on g1s |
| 22:11.34 | umdk1d3 | (all imho) |
| 22:12.51 | jasta | umdk1d3: i am going to stand in fuckin line |
| 22:12.59 | jasta | it's unacceptable that i not get one immediately |
| 22:13.26 | ttuttle | jasta: ... |
| 22:13.38 | jasta | ttuttle: ? |
| 22:14.11 | ttuttle | jasta: "<jasta> it's unacceptable that i not get one immediately"? |
| 22:14.14 | taaz | i hope they sell them in non-3g areas so i can stand in line |
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| 22:16.55 | taaz | what does it cost to upgrade a tower to 3g? |
| 22:21.41 | umdk1d3 | jasta: ouch thats right they only sell them in 3g areas |
| 22:24.53 | jasta | ttuttle: well, isn't it? |
| 22:25.01 | jasta | umdk1d3: that's fine for me, i'm in Seattle |
| 22:25.13 | jasta | i just want to be able to got o a store very early in the morning and buy one |
| 22:25.16 | jasta | i dont see how that won't work |
| 22:25.30 | umdk1d3 | is the release day in middle of week or a monday? |
| 22:25.42 | umdk1d3 | i would srsly get in line the night before |
| 22:25.56 | umdk1d3 | ohyea last black friday i stood in line 26 hours at best buy for 5 laptops ^.^ |
| 22:26.02 | jasta | ttuttle: i'm not going to sit on some wait list for weeks so fanboys can get one before me. i'll go to the store and buy one the very first day theyre out |
| 22:26.36 | jasta | umdk1d3: lol, maybe. i don't know if that'll be necessary or not |
| 22:27.31 | jasta | once it starts getting closer i'll do some research about how much volume which stores are expecting to get in |
| 22:27.35 | jasta | and judge accordingly |
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| 22:30.53 | jasta | maybe i'm totally wrong about how theyre planning to launch this thing though |
| 22:31.07 | umdk1d3 | hm? |
| 22:31.14 | jasta | they could be pulling some supply stunt so they basically release none on the launch date |
| 22:31.21 | umdk1d3 | i doubt that |
| 22:31.22 | jasta | making everyone feel like they must buy one immediately |
| 22:31.30 | umdk1d3 | look at how tight their prebuy restrictions are |
| 22:31.38 | umdk1d3 | 11/12th or 22/24th month of contract |
| 22:31.49 | jasta | what are those dates? |
| 22:32.24 | umdk1d3 | to prebuy you had to be in 11th month of your 1yr contract, etc |
| 22:32.38 | umdk1d3 | iirc |
| 22:32.49 | ttuttle | or 22nd of 2yr. |
| 22:32.54 | umdk1d3 | yep |
| 22:33.11 | jasta | that's standard though. if you want the discounted phone price, you need to be close to end of your contract |
| 22:33.28 | umdk1d3 | well right, but those are the *only* ppl who can prebuy |
| 22:33.36 | jasta | oh, that's pretty silly |
| 22:33.53 | umdk1d3 | exactly, so i think they will still have a big launch |
| 22:34.12 | jasta | me too, which is why i think i should be able to get one on the first day no problem |
| 22:34.15 | jasta | just show up early, and wait in line |
| 22:34.26 | jasta | i'm thinking like an hour before the store opens, but again i'm planning to call ahead |
| 22:34.27 | AttractiveApe | maybe |
| 22:34.39 | jasta | find out about volumes and crap |
| 22:34.41 | umdk1d3 | jasta: yea drive by the night before just to be sure |
| 22:34.54 | jasta | i will hehe |
| 22:35.06 | AttractiveApe | in canada, I renewed my 2 year contract, 15 months in. |
| 22:35.20 | umdk1d3 | AttractiveApe: for this specific phone? |
| 22:35.31 | AttractiveApe | no |
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| 22:43.52 | dragonball_ | anyone know t-mobile's g1 phone will be sold as unlocked handset? |
| 22:44.56 | umdk1d3 | dragonball_: i highly doubt that it will be sold directly unlocked |
| 22:45.10 | umdk1d3 | but youve heard that after 30 (or 90?) days they will unlock it for customers in good standing |
| 22:45.31 | f00f- | sadly probably 90 days! |
| 22:45.33 | f00f- | lines up at store |
| 22:47.15 | umdk1d3 | hmm i wonder if people with devices already would go line up at the store |
| 22:47.22 | f00f- | no wai |
| 22:47.23 | umdk1d3 | to show it off |
| 22:47.27 | f00f- | ooh |
| 22:47.28 | f00f- | do it |
| 22:47.33 | umdk1d3 | well, then they would totally get mugged |
| 22:47.34 | umdk1d3 | :P |
| 22:47.57 | f00f- | be careful |
| 22:48.19 | jasta | absolutely |
| 22:48.24 | jasta | i'll be in the U District picking mine up |
| 22:48.31 | jasta | so if they run out of supply, i'm causing a riot |
| 22:48.45 | umdk1d3 | #include "riot.h" |
| 22:48.46 | jasta | they love riots there |
| 22:49.33 | ttuttle | jasta: yay |
| 22:49.36 | ttuttle | jasta: riots are fun |
| 22:51.19 | dmoffett | do you think you will be able to walk in and buy one? |
| 22:51.28 | jasta | why wouldn't i? |
| 22:51.32 | dmoffett | I am going to have to get a relative to get one? |
| 22:51.42 | dmoffett | I am wondering about supply? |
| 22:51.51 | jasta | well if you just show up early |
| 22:52.14 | dmoffett | I can't ask a relative to stand in lines like they had for the iPhone. |
| 22:52.23 | ttuttle | heh |
| 22:52.35 | f00f- | they are just hoarding supply |
| 22:52.41 | f00f- | to create demand |
| 22:53.10 | umdk1d3 | f00f-: its what they are best at--all cell companies have had years of experience doing it too |
| 22:53.21 | umdk1d3 | *creating demand |
| 22:53.48 | umdk1d3 | which btw has anyone seen g1 commercials?!? |
| 22:54.16 | umdk1d3 | ive had my mythbox recording random primetime stuff and inverting the mythtv commercial cuts to just watch through the commercials ;) |
| 22:54.41 | jasta | for real? :) |
| 22:54.42 | jasta | oh man |
| 22:54.57 | umdk1d3 | well i wrote the script to invert the cutlists, but havent run it on any of em yet lol |
| 22:55.11 | umdk1d3 | was thinking about having it take png snapshots every 5 sec or something durnig the commrecials |
| 22:55.14 | umdk1d3 | to quick-browse |
| 22:55.21 | dmoffett | Will the phone work outside of 3G areas? |
| 22:55.32 | gdsx | dmoffett: yes |
| 22:56.05 | dmoffett | Full functionality outside of 3G of course? |
| 22:56.06 | unix_lappy | i think this whole wont be sold in stores where 3g isnt available will confuse people and they wont see the desired market penetration. |
| 22:56.27 | umdk1d3 | ooh jasta did i tell ya about my other idea? |
| 22:56.36 | jasta | no? |
| 22:56.42 | umdk1d3 | auto-login to wifi networks that have legal agreements ;) |
| 22:56.51 | umdk1d3 | build a heuristic to look for "i agree" buttons |
| 22:57.02 | umdk1d3 | or have the user teach the phone how to login to wifi networks |
| 22:57.05 | dmoffett | Some these decision makers should be penetrated. |
| 22:57.42 | umdk1d3 | then the service sits in the background, and auto-logs in when in the area of the network |
| 22:57.47 | umdk1d3 | instead of having to load it in browser |
| 22:57.54 | dmoffett | I don't think there will be a single place in Colorado to buy a G1. |
| 22:58.05 | umdk1d3 | that way gmail or whatever needs to sync with web just starts working |
| 22:58.41 | umdk1d3 | instead of just pounding at the local eula redir screen |
| 22:58.51 | jasta | umdk1d3: i dont know what youre talking about |
| 22:59.03 | jasta | not a clue :) |
| 22:59.18 | umdk1d3 | okay so hotel that makes you click "i agree" to a pile of legal crap before using wifi |
| 22:59.29 | umdk1d3 | or public wifi captive portals |
| 23:02.35 | jasta | i dont ever encounter those, but then i dont use wi-fi much |
| 23:03.25 | jasta | but then most hotels/captive portals i have seen are non-free |
| 23:04.18 | umdk1d3 | well you could "teach" it how to login to, say, the captive portal at your workplace |
| 23:04.56 | jasta | are captive portals really that popular? i think the whole idea is f'n stupid |
| 23:05.19 | jasta | my wi-fi network at work gives open access to the internet |
| 23:05.25 | jasta | and every wi-fi network i've ever set up |
| 23:05.43 | umdk1d3 | waits for jasta to get v& =D |
| 23:05.49 | jasta | v&? |
| 23:06.03 | umdk1d3 | v&=van'ed=partyvan'ed |
| 23:06.24 | jasta | i don't know what that is, but regardless, the networks are extremely well secured. |
| 23:06.40 | jasta | i just happen to know a lot about netfilter and tc, and use openwrt routers ;) |
| 23:07.05 | umdk1d3 | sure, but you offer internet to anyone driving by yes? |
| 23:07.21 | jasta | yes, after netfilter and tc gets its hands on it |
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| 23:08.48 | jasta | what is partyvan'ed? |
| 23:08.56 | jasta | i'm curious, though not concerned in the least |
| 23:09.06 | gdsx | jasta: it's a special collaborative version of `ed` |
| 23:09.35 | gdsx | jasta: you know it's 21st century material because it uses unicode question marks |
| 23:10.19 | umdk1d3 | lool |
| 23:10.50 | umdk1d3 | jasta: http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n235/lolznerd/Motivation/Partyvan.jpg |
| 23:11.48 | jasta | sfw? |
| 23:11.51 | umdk1d3 | yes |
| 23:12.12 | jasta | lol, what? |
| 23:13.20 | umdk1d3 | open wifi networks can quickly lead to being v& :P not by anything you did, but by what others might do |
| 23:13.32 | jasta | why would i care about that? |
| 23:21.09 | jasta | i mean really? so someone uses my network to do something "bad", how does that affect me? |
| 23:22.33 | gdsx | jasta: I think the insinuation is that if someone commits a felony from your access point, the Feds will be knocking on your door |
| 23:24.46 | jasta | so? |
| 23:25.40 | jasta | it's like if someone commits murder in the alley behind my house |
| 23:25.46 | jasta | i imagine the cops would also come knocking at my door |
| 23:26.03 | jasta | am i guilty of murder? no. am i concerned of being found guilty of murder? no. |
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| 23:26.56 | jasta | i am not liable for what folks do on my publicly provided internet access, just like my ISP is not liable, and just like starbucks is not liable, or hotels, ... |
| 23:27.15 | jasta | that's a miserably stupid argument to use against providing limited Internet access to your neighbors |
| 23:27.52 | jasta | if you really think that our law has crumbled so badly that unknowingly aiding criminals is a criminal offense then we have much bigger problems. |
| 23:29.55 | snadge | damn straight |
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| 23:31.49 | lresende | I have this in my AndroidManifest.xml |
| 23:31.51 | lresende | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:32.39 | lresende | and I keep getting a strange error in eclipse : ERROR Error: No resource found that matches the given name (at 'label' with value '@string/app_name'). |
| 23:32.42 | lresende | any ideas ? |
| 23:33.30 | romainguy_ | did you define app_name in strings.xml? |
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| 23:43.03 | ttuttle | romainguy_: =D |
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