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| 00:30.51 | jasta | you gotta be kidding me |
| 00:30.58 | jasta | not once when i was writing any of this code did i bother to test with oggs |
| 00:31.06 | jasta | and of course, it's broken. |
| 00:31.47 | jasta | hmm. |
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| 00:32.58 | jasta | so, if you support playing oggs from disk...how is it exactly that you could manage to not support streaming them from an http url? |
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| 00:52.21 | jasta | hehe... |
| 00:52.29 | jasta | http://www.techcrunch.com/ -- top story is my buddy's app |
| 01:06.28 | taaz | is there a good android example of how to do that store/market style of list? icon + a couple lines of text or ratings and so on. |
| 01:07.55 | jasta | shouldnt really need an example of that. it'd be pretty easy to do with a SimpleCursorAdapter and a LinearLayout |
| 01:08.05 | jasta | or a couple of LinearLayouts anyway :) |
| 01:08.13 | taaz | still a newbie with this stuff |
| 01:08.22 | taaz | i figured that was how to do it |
| 01:09.14 | taaz | what about loading the images from the net lazily? |
| 01:09.23 | dmoffett | Api Demos has quote a few list exampes. Views/List/ |
| 01:09.47 | jasta | taaz: that's a bit more complex a topic, but still the algorithm should be prtty intuitive |
| 01:10.37 | dmoffett | taaz the api demos also has couple of Adapter demos as well. |
| 01:11.56 | taaz | i can think of plenty of algorithms... i'm just not familiar enough with the android api to know which one(s) map well to the api |
| 01:13.58 | jasta | taaz: set temporary images then fire off a thread doing HTTP/1.1 requests, fiting the responses back into the UI |
| 01:14.02 | jasta | thats the best way to do it |
| 01:14.38 | taaz | i guessed as much. was just wondering if there was any magic available. |
| 01:14.51 | jasta | fitting the responses back can be tricky depending on your data set |
| 01:15.07 | jasta | you can inefficiently have your adapter fire notifyDataSetChanged() and then everything will be refreshed |
| 01:15.31 | jasta | or you can use a class i constructed called StatefulListView which will be more efficient but perhaps clumsier in some ways. |
| 01:16.10 | taaz | along the same lines of efficiency issues... how to most mobile apps handle large list data sets? |
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| 01:16.35 | jasta | do you mean presenting them to the user or just operating on large data sets in general? |
| 01:16.46 | taaz | like a music app or store and you list all songs with "rock" genre and get 10000 results |
| 01:16.54 | jasta | taaz: ListView handles that properly. |
| 01:16.56 | SanMehat | re: |
| 01:17.12 | jasta | it reads only so many entries as it needs to display the ones that fit on screen |
| 01:17.31 | jasta | so if you use a database cursor, you will be able to accomplish this effect very efficiently |
| 01:17.54 | jasta | (or some other backing structure which will not require O(n) performance for accessing the set) |
| 01:19.22 | dmoffett | There is an example of an Efficient Adapter in the Api Examples as well. |
| 01:19.34 | taaz | i guess this will all get tricky since i'm looking at the dataset being on a server and you can only load so much at a time |
| 01:19.55 | jasta | taaz: then implement paging. umdk1d3 has a project using this going on right now actually |
| 01:20.06 | taaz | which i thinking would involve some extra smarts to preload things a bit |
| 01:20.19 | jasta | he attaches a scroll listener and when you scroll to the end of the list it adds a little "loading" bar at the bottom and fetches the next page of results |
| 01:20.23 | jasta | then expands the list when they come in |
| 01:20.43 | taaz | jasta: yeah, this all seems like something that will be so common there should be a pseudo standard lib for it |
| 01:20.52 | jasta | repeat for as large a list as the user wants to explore. you would implement windowed paging so as they scroll down eventually data will roll off from the beginning of the list |
| 01:21.36 | jasta | it's not that hard to implement, but it would be difficult and somewhat bloated to generalize it into Android i think |
| 01:21.48 | jasta | the ListView is already bloated enough as it is ;) |
| 01:23.35 | taaz | there are lots of REST apis out there for large datasets that will need something similar. custom query, offset, limit, class to view items, and some prefetch hints. |
| 01:23.50 | taaz | would be nice to have a common UI for such things |
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| 01:25.39 | jasta | well,maybe you could generalize it then? |
| 01:25.48 | jasta | and distribute something yourself for other devs to use. |
| 01:26.10 | jasta | i will need something like that for my project soon, so by all means :) |
| 01:26.29 | taaz | ok, but don't count on "soon" :) |
| 01:28.15 | kingkung | hello |
| 01:28.27 | kingkung | had a question about communication between activities |
| 01:29.43 | kingkung | can an activity which starts another activity via intent communicate with that other activity? |
| 01:33.13 | jasta | what are you trying to accomplish? |
| 01:33.39 | jasta | communication directly between two activities is somewhat weak, although there is some information that can be passed. there are, however, other ways to pass information. |
| 01:40.36 | kingkung | how do you do it? |
| 01:41.44 | kingkung | jasta? |
| 01:41.44 | jasta | just explain what youre trying to accomplish and i can offer a recommendation |
| 01:44.01 | kingkung | i getDecorView from the subactivity |
| 01:44.09 | kingkung | to display the view in the main activity |
| 01:44.21 | kingkung | i'm wondering if i can pass in parameters to the subactivity |
| 01:44.33 | jasta | yes, through the intent |
| 01:44.47 | kingkung | what about after the activity is launched |
| 01:44.47 | jasta | intents can carry arbitrary parameters through extras and to some extent through data. |
| 01:44.52 | kingkung | yes, i know that |
| 01:45.02 | kingkung | i meant after starting an actiity |
| 01:45.03 | kingkung | vity |
| 01:45.17 | jasta | if two activities need to communicate then you probably need a service of some kind. please try to be more specific and i can be more helpful. |
| 01:45.48 | kingkung | okay, that's pretty much all i needed to know |
| 01:45.54 | kingkung | thx |
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| 01:59.43 | jasta | does anyone know how to use SQLite3 transactions with a ContentProvider? is that concept basically not workable? |
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| 03:04.46 | muthu | oy |
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| 03:29.15 | muthu | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/06/dziuba_android/ |
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| 03:38.00 | Adamant | dziuba trolls and gets paid to do it via the Register. |
| 03:40.58 | muthu | good to be paid ;) |
| 03:43.07 | snadge | why is that trolling? |
| 03:44.01 | snadge | it seems like an article, for the most part.. is positive about android, the only negativity i can see.. is saying that it might not succeed because the economy is bad ? |
| 03:45.05 | snadge | ahh i see, it contains profanity |
| 03:45.13 | snadge | i didnt actually notice until i read the comments about it.. lol |
| 03:45.22 | snadge | americans are funny |
| 03:46.09 | muthu | In any event, Google's if-you-build-it-they-will-come approach is probably no match for a slowing economy. The phone will be priced at $179, but Google and T-Mobile will likely be able to flood the market and start eating Apple's lunch if they accept collateralized debt objects in lieu of cash |
| 03:47.00 | Adamant | snadge: I didn't read the article, I just have read previous dziuba articles, most of which are trolling |
| 03:47.24 | muthu | The first part of the tutorial is a Hello, World. Once I get beyond that, I want to do something neat. The second part of the tutorial is a notepad application. Notepad? It's a cell phone with all sorts of gizmos. Show me how to make it beep and shit. |
| 03:47.33 | muthu | lol |
| 03:47.34 | Adamant | I don't give the Reg my clicks. |
| 03:48.25 | muthu | Sergey Brin wrote a game changing, disruptive application that detects how long the phone stays in the air when you throw it. Fascinating. |
| 03:48.30 | muthu | haha |
| 03:48.47 | muthu | i think its a cool neat idea |
| 03:49.07 | muthu | throw up in the air and do some fascinating stuff |
| 03:49.22 | muthu | as some was saying, exchange your contacts |
| 03:49.26 | muthu | etc., |
| 03:49.57 | snadge | you could do that by throwing your phone at someone |
| 03:50.02 | snadge | here have my contacts *piff* :p |
| 03:50.18 | muthu | hehe |
| 03:50.43 | muthu | here's some profanity - WARNING |
| 03:50.50 | muthu | PG 18 |
| 03:51.06 | muthu | or remove someones contacts by shoving it up their ass |
| 03:51.12 | muthu | lol |
| 03:51.19 | snadge | people read the article as if he was complaining about android |
| 03:51.41 | snadge | hes just writes in a very rough, casual style.. like a lazy programmer would talk to his mates at the pub |
| 03:51.48 | muthu | its good to read that for a change |
| 03:52.14 | muthu | guess its british humor |
| 03:52.16 | snadge | saying that he wants to make the phone "beep and shit" instead of the notepad example or whatever.. isn't really even a criticism |
| 03:52.22 | snadge | its more of a commentary |
| 03:53.03 | snadge | and saying the phone should give him some kind of reason why he is coding for it instead of sitting on the couch drinking beer.. is also a valid point |
| 03:53.31 | snadge | again, i dont think thats criticism.. i can relate to that.. im a lazy nerd |
| 03:53.47 | wastrel | i don't think sergey said it was game changing or disruptive |
| 03:53.48 | wastrel | the app |
| 03:54.01 | snadge | i think that was a sarcastic form of humour |
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| 03:54.12 | snadge | rather than a genuine stab at sergey |
| 03:54.37 | snadge | being australian, thats how i interpreted it |
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| 03:56.27 | poetic_folly | living_sword: oh there it is |
| 03:56.53 | living_sword | yeah |
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| 03:58.04 | gambler_ | hey ppl, anything interesting been posted in the channel in the last few days? I've been offline. |
| 03:58.31 | snadge | i think its funny all these people got upset about the profanity and posted in the defense of android |
| 03:59.02 | snadge | when the article is clearly a tounge in cheek style .. take it or leave it piece, designed to cause the type of discussion that is happening now |
| 03:59.31 | Adamant | snadge: nobody is upset |
| 03:59.36 | Adamant | at least I'm not |
| 03:59.53 | snadge | i'd even say that it was a pro android article.. and only those offended by "potty mouths" and interpret things the wrong way could see otherwise |
| 04:00.58 | Adamant | I'm just pointing out that Dzibua spends most of his time trolling for the Register, who likes to employ columnists who troll as it's the only way they can keep up getting clicks. |
| 04:01.05 | snadge | kind of reflects poorly on the register.. but oh well |
| 04:01.26 | Adamant | for Brit-style tech news I like The Inquirer better |
| 04:01.36 | snadge | exactly .. and thats something that will either make you read the article anyway.. or boycott the register in disgust |
| 04:02.10 | snadge | i found it humorous and got entertainment value from it |
| 04:02.16 | Adamant | hey, more power to ya |
| 04:02.45 | muthu | gambler_: you missed the big news |
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| 04:02.58 | gambler | muthu, lay it on me |
| 04:03.10 | muthu | G1 on Oct 22!!!! |
| 04:03.15 | gambler | yay |
| 04:03.29 | muthu | haha |
| 04:05.18 | gambler | ok so...If my Service executes a callback into my Activity when its not in the foreground, I am getting a stacktrace. |
| 04:05.39 | gambler | Is there a preferred idiom for how to wake up my activity? sure is a hell of alot of boilerplate to do a little IPC |
| 04:06.54 | muthu | handler |
| 04:07.09 | jasta | gambler: to wake up the activity you would fire an intent. |
| 04:07.18 | muthu | and do notifications from service |
| 04:07.37 | muthu | notifications is the recommended practice |
| 04:07.41 | jasta | and when the activity is closed, the IPC is severed. it is your error that your activity didn't unregister any listeners. |
| 04:08.01 | jasta | yes, muthu is right. you need to consider why you arent to wake up an activity this way |
| 04:08.19 | jasta | what if, for example, the user is in the middle of a call? they will not appreciate you slapping them with your activity |
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| 04:08.26 | muthu | correct |
| 04:08.36 | jasta | why you want to*, i meant |
| 04:09.16 | gambler | the call wont terminate though would it, it will just be a different screen. |
| 04:09.26 | jasta | it will be an annoying screen on top of the call |
| 04:09.33 | gambler | in this situation notification isnt enough |
| 04:09.38 | jasta | that you've designed your UI this way indicates to me that it is wrong |
| 04:10.00 | jasta | if the user has left your activity they have told you something: they aren't interested in it anymore. |
| 04:10.10 | gambler | jasta: its based on context awareness...the UI fits the geography |
| 04:10.29 | jasta | so why is a notification not good enough? |
| 04:10.54 | gambler | because then they would have to navigate to the app every time. If its running they want to receive the activity not just a notification. |
| 04:10.59 | jasta | (that said, you *can* wake up an activity) |
| 04:11.14 | jasta | you do so through an intent, as i said before |
| 04:12.00 | gambler | right...ok I can do that, just making sure that was the right way. It seems like errors could occur if there is any lag / ordering problems |
| 04:12.07 | jasta | you'd use an intent-filter actually, which would be the thing that opens your activity |
| 04:12.27 | jasta | you can't use your custom IPC for this, though. |
| 04:12.44 | jasta | i mean, your activity registering listeners won't do any good once the activity is closed. |
| 04:12.51 | jasta | and, actually, it's expected to unregister those listeners in onStop |
| 04:14.35 | gambler | hmm ok |
| 04:15.20 | muthu | use callbacks only when binding |
| 04:15.28 | muthu | else use notifications |
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| 04:25.21 | muthu | testing |
| 04:25.36 | gdsx | muthu: not working |
| 04:25.49 | muthu | not able to see gdsx |
| 04:26.18 | muthu | pidgin is crap |
| 04:26.23 | muthu | suddenly crashes |
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| 04:27.06 | muthu | how many apps will be featured on oct 22? |
| 04:27.13 | muthu | raise your hand |
| 04:27.18 | muthu | raises hand |
| 04:27.50 | muthu | 100? |
| 04:28.13 | wastrel | hi what is your app? |
| 04:29.23 | muthu | http://mobeegal.in |
| 04:29.31 | muthu | hmm.. slideme launches oct 28 |
| 04:29.48 | muthu | market launches 22nd |
| 04:30.11 | muthu | but the paid apps will go to slideme |
| 04:30.15 | muthu | or handango |
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| 04:36.53 | muthu | photostream seems to be most popular in apps-for-android |
| 04:38.45 | romainguy | I added a cool new feature btw |
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| 04:40.05 | muthu | yeah, i check it out everyday |
| 04:40.50 | romainguy | you should try to open a flickr URL (like http://flickr.com/photos/romainguy) and see what happens |
| 04:41.04 | romainguy | that's what Maps does as well |
| 04:41.23 | muthu | let me see.. |
| 04:41.42 | romainguy | by opening, I don't mean typing it in the browser |
| 04:41.59 | romainguy | you would need to click this URL in a web page, an email, as a home shortcut, etc. |
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| 04:44.38 | chrismurf | If all I want is a bitmap that I can write to/from, do I want to extend surfaceview, or canvas? |
| 04:44.55 | chrismurf | (complete n00b to android, porting older java App.) |
| 04:45.48 | muthu | ah, nice |
| 04:45.54 | muthu | like the progress bar and updates |
| 04:46.00 | muthu | still haven't tried the url |
| 04:46.34 | romainguy | chrismurf: use a Canvas |
| 04:46.42 | romainguy | first create the Bitmap, then a Canvas tied to that Bitmap |
| 04:46.56 | chrismurf | romainguy, thanks -- Why canvas instead of SurfaceView? |
| 04:47.05 | romainguy | because that's not SurfaceView's purpose |
| 04:47.37 | romainguy | SurfaceView gives you a special surface (or window if you prefer) on which you can draw natively or with special APIs like OpenGL |
| 04:49.00 | chrismurf | Okay - I'm just confused by the docs, it seems like Canvas is a SurfaceView extended to have a bunch of drawArc / drawRect / drawWhatever methods, no? |
| 04:49.08 | romainguy | not at all |
| 04:49.15 | romainguy | Canvas is not a SurfaceView |
| 04:49.25 | romainguy | forget about SurfaceView for now, just use Canvas :) |
| 04:49.48 | chrismurf | Okay - noted :-) |
| 04:50.14 | chrismurf | Realizing I'm contradicting myself a bit, will I regret it later if I target Canvas and want things to scale when I rotate the screen? |
| 04:50.23 | chrismurf | (I realize that's sort of a limitation of bitmaps...) |
| 04:50.24 | muthu | romainguy: so photostream hijacks the flickr url ;) |
| 04:50.36 | romainguy | chrismurf: SurfaceView would not help you more |
| 04:50.41 | romainguy | what are you trying to do exactly? |
| 04:51.03 | romainguy | muthu: that's actually a nice way to expand web site and enrich them :) |
| 04:51.22 | muthu | agreed |
| 04:51.33 | muthu | users would love these |
| 04:51.53 | chrismurf | basically port a java-based emulator. |
| 04:52.05 | romainguy | NES emulator? |
| 04:52.16 | chrismurf | Don't want to give everything away ;-) |
| 04:52.17 | chrismurf | but no |
| 04:52.20 | romainguy | :) |
| 04:52.21 | chrismurf | I'll dig into Canvas - thanks for the help |
| 04:52.27 | romainguy | ok, so you're not who you think you could have been :p |
| 04:52.34 | romainguy | for an emulator you want SurfaceView |
| 04:52.42 | chrismurf | haha |
| 04:53.03 | romainguy | the key difference is that with SurfaceView you have to create a thread that refreshes the screen in a loop |
| 04:53.05 | chrismurf | okay - it's significantly higher performance? |
| 04:53.09 | romainguy | just like the way games are usually writtent |
| 04:53.10 | romainguy | -t |
| 04:53.21 | romainguy | with a regular Canvas/View approach, you need to use invalidate() calls |
| 04:53.29 | chrismurf | I see |
| 04:53.31 | romainguy | that are expensive (about 4ms per frame) |
| 04:53.36 | chrismurf | ouch - yeah |
| 04:53.41 | romainguy | because it's meant to refresh a full View hierarchy |
| 04:53.41 | chrismurf | I just want to basically have a framebuffer |
| 04:53.44 | romainguy | and it supports animations, etc. |
| 04:54.10 | chrismurf | okay - SurfaceView it is |
| 04:54.16 | chrismurf | pain, here I come :-) |
| 04:54.19 | chrismurf | Thanks for the help |
| 04:54.26 | romainguy | SurfaceView is not difficult to use |
| 04:54.33 | romainguy | go take a look at the sample called LunarLander in the SDK |
| 04:54.41 | romainguy | it shows how to use SurfaceView for a game |
| 04:54.43 | romainguy | just what you want :) |
| 04:54.50 | chrismurf | oh how wonderful, one of the tut's actually is useful :-) |
| 04:54.59 | romainguy | slaps chrismurf |
| 04:55.00 | romainguy | :o |
| 04:55.04 | chrismurf | haha |
| 04:55.06 | chrismurf | that's fair |
| 04:55.23 | romainguy | fwiw, I work on Android :) |
| 04:55.26 | chrismurf | should have read those first |
| 04:55.41 | chrismurf | oh - I'll have to beware disparaging comments then |
| 04:55.44 | chrismurf | :-P |
| 04:55.46 | romainguy | lol |
| 04:55.51 | wastrel | i was busy installing ubuntu & couldn't work on my tutorial today |
| 04:55.52 | chrismurf | so far I'm very impressed with the SDK as a whole |
| 04:55.56 | muthu | romainguy: you've given me some ideas |
| 04:55.57 | romainguy | glad to hear that |
| 04:56.03 | romainguy | muthu: like what? |
| 04:56.07 | chrismurf | and I appreciate that I can get help at 1a in IRC from a Dev |
| 04:56.07 | romainguy | btw, I tried Cooking Capsuls |
| 04:56.09 | chrismurf | so, thanks :-) |
| 04:56.10 | romainguy | Capsules |
| 04:56.10 | muthu | planning to hack the built in search.. just like you did for photos |
| 04:56.23 | muthu | romainguy: really, how's it? |
| 04:56.26 | romainguy | muthu: I didn't hack the built in search? |
| 04:56.29 | romainguy | muthu: I like the UI :)) |
| 04:56.39 | muthu | mary ann did a fantastic job |
| 04:56.51 | muthu | that's the first thing everyone says - UI rocks |
| 05:01.13 | romainguy | argh |
| 05:01.20 | romainguy | just saw a couple of comments about Photostream on Market |
| 05:01.25 | romainguy | stupid users :( |
| 05:02.09 | muthu | hehe |
| 05:02.16 | muthu | is it public? |
| 05:02.39 | romainguy | yeah |
| 05:02.49 | romainguy | they gave very bad ratings because they couldn't add their account |
| 05:03.19 | romainguy | because apparently they don't know their own user name |
| 05:03.44 | muthu | haha |
| 05:04.07 | mickrobk | while ur there check out fingerpaint /blatent plug :P |
| 05:04.17 | romainguy | I did |
| 05:04.21 | muthu | where's the link? |
| 05:04.44 | mickrobk | how'd u like it? |
| 05:04.49 | romainguy | I liked it |
| 05:04.57 | romainguy | the tools are a bit difficult to use the first time |
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| 05:05.32 | muthu | romainguy: the user name is a bit awkward |
| 05:05.32 | mickrobk | any ideas for making the color chooser more obvious? |
| 05:05.41 | romainguy | muthu: not my fault unfortunately :(( |
| 05:05.52 | romainguy | muthu: it's the only option Flickr gives me |
| 05:05.58 | romainguy | you can only find by user name |
| 05:06.00 | muthu | oh ok |
| 05:06.03 | mickrobk | u mean translating icons -> what it will do? |
| 05:06.04 | romainguy | which is, for many people, not their login name |
| 05:06.06 | muthu | its nice.. once it works |
| 05:06.12 | romainguy | mickrobk: yes |
| 05:07.01 | muthu | mickrobk: where's your app? |
| 05:07.06 | mickrobk | fingerpaint |
| 05:07.13 | mickrobk | unfortunatly about to renamed tho.... |
| 05:07.17 | muthu | i see only like 5 apps |
| 05:08.12 | mickrobk | has been trying to figure out how to make it easier to learn on the first run for like 11 months now :/ |
| 05:08.34 | muthu | the market is not public yet, right? |
| 05:09.52 | muthu | oh ok.. the 50 apps will be featured |
| 05:10.17 | chrismurf | romainguy, since you asked, I'm curious - has somebody already done an NES Emulator? (I'm not doing one, but I'll want one :-) ) |
| 05:10.48 | romainguy | I know of someone who's porting one |
| 05:11.38 | chrismurf | fantastic |
| 05:12.56 | wastrel | where are these apps? |
| 05:13.08 | romainguy | wastrel: on the Market, if you have a device |
| 05:13.15 | muthu | ooooooh |
| 05:13.20 | wastrel | can't get there from the emulator? |
| 05:13.24 | romainguy | no |
| 05:13.33 | romainguy | at least not for now |
| 05:13.59 | muthu | 22nd will be open to everyone, right? |
| 05:14.12 | romainguy | I don't know |
| 05:14.17 | muthu | hmm |
| 05:14.18 | romainguy | it will be on the phones, that's for sure |
| 05:14.35 | muthu | i mean, to put the apps on the market |
| 05:14.39 | romainguy | I don't know |
| 05:14.58 | muthu | ok |
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| 05:18.56 | muthu | romainguy what's the best app so far in market? |
| 05:19.25 | mickrobk | how do u keep serialization working if you rename classes? |
| 05:19.25 | romainguy | my favorites are not public yet :p |
| 05:19.26 | muthu | shit, it sucks to be out of loop |
| 05:19.34 | muthu | now i know how jasta felt! |
| 05:20.12 | muthu | would be interesting to watch the early android apps |
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| 05:44.56 | f00f- | hahaha muthu |
| 05:44.58 | f00f- | sup |
| 05:45.08 | muthu | f00f-: yo |
| 05:45.26 | muthu | send me your device |
| 05:45.32 | f00f- | chillen, just had a glass of red wine |
| 05:45.35 | f00f- | i wish i had one man |
| 05:45.51 | muthu | you coulda got one |
| 05:46.10 | f00f- | let's put the past behind us |
| 05:46.16 | muthu | yeah, depressing |
| 05:46.23 | f00f- | probably my biggest regret in the past year |
| 05:46.29 | muthu | hehe |
| 05:46.34 | wastrel | mmm, just finished reinstalling eclipse & the sdk and running hello android :] |
| 05:46.34 | jasta | raises an eyebrow |
| 05:46.47 | muthu | wastrel: just finished reinstalling |
| 05:46.49 | jasta | f00f-: you regret winning $25k? :) |
| 05:47.14 | f00f- | actually, maybe not the biggest one :P |
| 05:47.16 | f00f- | no jasta, not at all |
| 05:47.31 | f00f- | i just hope i can get a device on or after the 22nd |
| 05:47.40 | jasta | you didn't get one from the challenge? |
| 05:48.19 | f00f- | no way |
| 05:48.24 | f00f- | i got a t-shirt :) |
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| 05:48.38 | jasta | lol, that seems like a terrible runner's up prize ;) |
| 05:48.44 | jasta | hell, i got a lousy t-shirt |
| 05:48.49 | f00f- | :/ |
| 05:48.57 | hamdroid | Was it the pirate Android shirt? Those ones rock |
| 05:49.01 | f00f- | i hope ADC II is conducted much better |
| 05:49.06 | f00f- | it was a skateboarder |
| 05:49.09 | jasta | i got the skateboarder |
| 05:49.10 | muthu | f00f-: was given a choice, and he chose tshirt ;) |
| 05:51.26 | gambler | lol I <3 f00f- for choosing the tshirt.... |
| 05:51.30 | gambler | 100 points for style, 0 points for planning ahead |
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| 06:08.49 | izico | hi,anybody who knows how to buy a HTC g1 not from T-Mobile? |
| 06:09.12 | izico | i want the phone,i don't want T-Mobile's service |
| 06:09.41 | f00f- | http://shop.ebay.com/?_from=R40&_trksid=m38.l1313&_nkw=t-mobile+g1&_sacat=See-All-Categories |
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| 06:11.44 | muthu | https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/ |
| 06:11.54 | muthu | this is the plugin download site right? |
| 06:12.14 | f00f- | yup |
| 06:12.31 | f00f- | existence of https://dl-ssl.google.com/android/eclipse/site.xml confirms it |
| 06:12.44 | muthu | eclipse can't connect |
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| 06:19.15 | gambler | i had problems a few weeks ago when i reinstalled my OS |
| 06:19.20 | gambler | try http://... |
| 06:19.44 | muthu | ok |
| 06:20.40 | muthu | i've reinstalled linux like 10 times with varying degree of problems |
| 06:21.19 | f00f- | muthu: welcome :) |
| 06:21.53 | muthu | f00f-: how's the wine? |
| 06:22.06 | f00f- | checks stomach |
| 06:22.10 | f00f- | seems to be doing fine |
| 06:22.21 | muthu | hehe |
| 06:22.24 | f00f- | it's some cheap $7 garbage i use for cooking |
| 06:22.25 | muthu | top it up |
| 06:22.27 | f00f- | but the cork is torn so it's leaking away |
| 06:22.32 | f00f- | i best drink it before it worsens |
| 06:22.41 | muthu | ha, good choice |
| 06:25.36 | muthu | good to be in pubs these days |
| 06:25.42 | muthu | with smoking banned |
| 06:26.03 | muthu | gambler: http works, thx |
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| 06:53.37 | chrismurf | romainguy, woo - got a bitmap rendering on a surfaceview. |
| 06:53.43 | romainguy | :) |
| 06:53.46 | chrismurf | one small step... |
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| 07:02.15 | muthu | how to check if db exists? |
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| 07:14.23 | muthu | do we just check if the file.db exists? |
| 07:15.27 | muthu | ha, there's a databaselist method in app |
| 07:16.42 | muthu | looks like context is the goto plae |
| 07:16.51 | muthu | s/plae/place |
| 07:18.13 | Lenolium | So, are there any good tutorials out there on getting a Android UI going? I have the I/O parts of the app written, and now I need to start building UI... but I'm stumped. |
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| 07:29.01 | Adman65 | Hey |
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| 07:50.54 | tomgibara | muthu: To check for the existence of a db I used context.getDatabasePath(dbName).exists() |
| 07:52.58 | muthu | tomgibara: thx |
| 07:54.07 | muthu | Lenolium: ApiDemos, apps-for-android.googlecode.com |
| 07:54.20 | jasta | hmm |
| 07:54.29 | muthu | jasta: sup |
| 07:54.37 | jasta | (new MediaPlayer()).reset(); seems to freeze the main thread |
| 07:54.48 | jasta | or rather, it just never returns |
| 07:54.53 | muthu | arghhhh... media player is a big mess |
| 07:55.15 | jasta | yup, that's definitely what does it |
| 07:56.58 | jasta | or maybe its more complex than that...maybe calling reset() twice does it |
| 07:57.02 | jasta | my logic isn't quite pure ;) |
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| 08:06.05 | jasta | does ListView#getItemIdAtPosition() identical to ListView#getAdapter().getItemId()? |
| 08:06.18 | jasta | err, is* |
| 08:07.03 | romainguy | it should be |
| 08:08.29 | jasta | hehe, i'm going back through all my old UI code and revising/rewriting it |
| 08:08.43 | jasta | a lot of goofy stuff has been revealed so far ;) |
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| 08:17.09 | Adman65 | hey |
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| 08:31.40 | umdk1d3 | rolls into town |
| 08:31.53 | umdk1d3 | jasta: where did you hear no ogg support? |
| 08:33.17 | jasta | hear? no. i confirmed :) |
| 08:33.46 | umdk1d3 | srsly? >:/ that sucks |
| 08:33.55 | umdk1d3 | i had been telling people that it supported ogg |
| 08:34.03 | umdk1d3 | which was a BIG deal to me |
| 08:34.12 | jasta | well, you were lying! :P |
| 08:34.27 | jasta | no, actually, it supports local playback of oggs, but for some bizarre parallel universe reason it can't stream oggs |
| 08:34.37 | umdk1d3 | oh whew |
| 08:34.44 | jasta | (it's never been able to, actually) |
| 08:34.57 | jasta | but to Five, that means it doesn't support oggs ;) |
| 08:35.13 | jasta | i'll need to have the server transcode them on the fly *lame* |
| 08:35.14 | umdk1d3 | yea i was gonna say because i thought some of the ringtones were ogg |
| 08:35.32 | jasta | this one really makes no sense. ogg is a streamable format, so how you could support it reading from disk and not reading from a url makes no sense to me |
| 08:36.33 | umdk1d3 | i get the feeling that a group at google will be assigned to rewrite media player |
| 08:36.43 | umdk1d3 | *rather, the codec implementations under the hood |
| 08:36.58 | jasta | hopefully, it's apparently in bad shape |
| 08:37.24 | umdk1d3 | im wondering how it will handle youtube uploading (assuming that will be supported at some point) |
| 08:37.37 | umdk1d3 | it wouldnt try encoding mp4 on the phone (would it?) |
| 08:37.50 | umdk1d3 | maybe upload low-cpu versions like mjpeg or mpeg1 |
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| 09:16.22 | tomgibara | I think it would be folly to throw away an implementation that's as far progressed as the MediaPlayer is- you would just be swapping one set of bugs for another. |
| 09:20.30 | jasta | i agree in principle, but it seems to be that it is so terribly put together than just sitting down and figuring out what went wrong and largely rebuilding it would help |
| 09:20.46 | jasta | rewriting code is often a lot less work than it was to write it in the first place, remember. |
| 09:20.57 | jasta | re-using the bits that aren't awful, and just refactoring the hell out of it |
| 09:21.07 | jasta | and above all else, testing it this time. |
| 09:21.21 | jasta | the MediaPlayer clearly suffered from a terrible set of test cases, if tehre were even any at all |
| 09:22.00 | jasta | also, the underlying audio mechanism should be exposed to guard against critical limitations of a future design |
| 09:22.46 | jasta | this is ocming from someone who has spent a *lot* of time wrestling with MediaPlayer. trust me, it's very, very broken :) |
| 09:27.30 | muthu | agree.. that's one reason video recording is absent |
| 09:27.38 | tomgibara | I trust you that it's very broken! I wasn't including 're-using bits' and 'largely rebuilding it' when I said "throw away" - I call that salvaging. |
| 09:27.55 | tomgibara | muthu: You don't know that |
| 09:28.03 | jasta | ok well in that case, yes i think salvaging it is certainly sensible |
| 09:28.24 | muthu | we don't know.. but looking at the current media player woes.. looks like the android team is behind in terms of video |
| 09:28.25 | jasta | but still, a major effort is necessary to get it in decent shape |
| 09:28.50 | tomgibara | muthu: It's possible, but perhaps the G1 doesn't have the hardware capacity, or the processor speed (i don't know what's required) |
| 09:29.56 | tomgibara | jasta: probably, it's the apparent lack of robustness that concerns me: it's very hard to put robustness into a project that never had it |
| 09:30.36 | jasta | well, it's biggest problem is that it's a black box design. robustness exists inside of it, but it doesn't make it out |
| 09:30.41 | jasta | it's clearly very sophisticated |
| 09:30.45 | jasta | it's just designed wrong |
| 09:31.49 | tomgibara | black boxes buy you time to get your implementation correct |
| 09:32.58 | jasta | that was not what happened here, clearly. |
| 09:33.22 | jasta | the stupid thing doesn't even *work*. it doesn't fulfill it's own very simple contract. |
| 09:33.30 | jasta | hardly any part of it behaves correctly |
| 09:35.02 | tomgibara | that it behaves badly is a good reason to keep it as a blackbox, if you expose a lot of unproven code via a set of APIs, you're creating a lot of pain for the implementors and the consumers. |
| 09:35.10 | jasta | can't stream ogg vorbis files, seeking forward doesn't properly estimate stream byte offsets, buffer fill percent listeners are implemented as download progress listeners, there's no way to feed it with an arbitrary stream, its errors are undocumented and useless, ... |
| 09:35.14 | jasta | i could even go on! |
| 09:35.38 | jasta | tomgibara: what i'm saying is that it wasn't being paid attention to. it has hardly received attention since M3. |
| 09:36.17 | jasta | oh and my new favorite, calling stop/reset multiple times causes it to block indefinitely |
| 09:37.00 | tomgibara | there has been little progress, perhaps it received attention and sucked up development hours due to some bad weaknesses |
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| 09:37.42 | jasta | at least the only problem with the main API is that it doesn't accept arbitrary input streams |
| 09:38.16 | jasta | everything else at some point could conceivably be fixed |
| 09:38.26 | jasta | just sad to see a 1.0 release with this thing so broken |
| 09:38.35 | tomgibara | though as they go, a media player that's fussy about its input stream isn't good |
| 09:38.38 | jasta | but hey, i've worked around nearly every issue so far |
| 09:38.56 | tomgibara | at great time cost to you and a loss in efficiency |
| 09:39.30 | jasta | yup |
| 09:39.30 | tomgibara | not what you want from a core API |
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| 09:39.51 | tomgibara | What is particularly irritating about the media player is that it's one of the few APIs that you can't sidestep |
| 09:40.16 | tomgibara | pjv: I didn't get a chance to say thanks yesterday: thanks |
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| 09:41.20 | pjv | oh hi, np |
| 09:42.04 | jasta | here's to 1.1 :\ |
| 09:43.31 | jasta | honestly though, i am happy i was able to make my work arounds fit :) |
| 09:43.42 | jasta | i was concerned that it wouldn't even be possible |
| 09:43.58 | jasta | and there are still some big issues, but... |
| 09:44.09 | jasta | seeking forward being broken is particularly annoying :( |
| 09:45.37 | gambler | that seems like a common problem with alot of codecs. Their wacky compression schemes make random access really difficult |
| 09:46.23 | jasta | well, that's why most implement key frames and an index... |
| 09:46.33 | jasta | but in the case of mp3, it's obvious they're not even trying. |
| 09:46.41 | tomgibara | jasta: do the android apis allow for sparse files? are RandomAccessFiles necessarily sparse? |
| 09:46.43 | jasta | you can feed it constant bitrate files and it still won't get it right. |
| 09:47.28 | jasta | tomgibara: not sure how you mean. Linux supports sparse files, and FileChannel/RandomAccessFile won't clobber that support. |
| 09:47.41 | gambler | pretty strange there is no api to multiplex the speaker. |
| 09:47.44 | jasta | but all that translates to is just seek(). |
| 09:48.30 | tomgibara | just wondered - I might need to do something similar w/ media player in the future (cache&stream) |
| 09:49.02 | jasta | tomgibara: well, all my code is quite generalized |
| 09:49.02 | tomgibara | I was thinking that I would use ranges to pull data in and just write them to a file |
| 09:49.17 | jasta | in fact, i have demo code that is totally generalized |
| 09:49.20 | tomgibara | gah, this probably wouldn't be open source :( |
| 09:49.31 | jasta | then you can't use my code, suckah. |
| 09:50.25 | tomgibara | anyway, that's my first thought |
| 09:50.40 | tomgibara | then maintain an index file recording which bits have been downloaded |
| 09:51.06 | jasta | i don't go quite so far for my usage. in particular, i don't support forward seeking |
| 09:51.29 | jasta | the MediaPlayer, however, does have a "short range" forward seek capability because it maintains a read-ahead cache |
| 09:51.55 | jasta | and i support forward seeking anywhere into the received portion of the stream |
| 09:52.04 | jasta | but not beyond, because i don't care to implement yet another hack |
| 09:53.18 | muthu | its a total waste of time hacking all this.. coz they will fix this eventually |
| 09:53.29 | jasta | muthu: actually, they probably won't. |
| 09:53.55 | pjv | jasta, you said 1.1, did you mean a new version of Five? |
| 09:53.57 | jasta | the route i expect them to take is to implement arbitrary input, but not to implement permanent caching. |
| 09:54.01 | jasta | pjv: no, of Android |
| 09:54.21 | jasta | so if they implement arbitrary input, we'll still have to have elaborate, complex systems to deal with it |
| 09:54.41 | jasta | implement only* |
| 09:58.05 | muthu | the weak us economy will make G1 available faster to the rest of the world |
| 09:58.42 | muthu | so i better have that killer app ready ;) |
| 10:00.43 | muthu | here's the deal: |
| 10:01.14 | muthu | a % of the profit goes to US banks!! |
| 10:01.22 | muthu | hehe |
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| 10:36.50 | muthu | hola |
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| 11:12.21 | muthu | loha |
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| 12:20.05 | rwat-- | hi android folks - is there a simple route for creating android apps with jython - I checked the mailing list but all I could find was "this might be possible". I'm happy to try it out myself if this is true, but would rather cut to the chase if there's a tried and tested method. |
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| 13:07.21 | kim0 | Hi, once the full sources of android are released |
| 13:07.45 | kim0 | and I buy a HTC dream (I don't live in the US), can I install the software (android) myself on the HTC dream ? |
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| 13:16.21 | muthu | kim0: yes |
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| 14:53.46 | tethridge | did you guys see that the touch hd wasn't coming to the US? |
| 14:53.53 | tethridge | sighs |
| 14:54.12 | tethridge | hopefully the upcoming "cool" stuff is the same hardware running android |
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| 14:55.13 | jasta | D/dalvikvm( 388): GREF has increased to 201 |
| 14:55.18 | jasta | anyone ever figure out what that meant? |
| 14:55.37 | tethridge | GREF is no longer 200 |
| 14:55.44 | tethridge | :-) |
| 14:56.05 | unix_lappy | well, they likely couldnt get it to the US in time for the Holidays and / or couldnt justify shipping the Touch HD when they have another device on the way. |
| 14:57.28 | unix_lappy | which is why I'll be peeved if a better device comes out as Android Compatible (erm, Touch Diamond Pro), but I'll likely get the G1 regardless. |
| 14:58.00 | jasta | i don't mind collecting devices |
| 14:58.00 | jasta | ;) |
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| 15:09.13 | wastrel | maybe in november i'll get one. |
| 15:09.24 | wastrel | assuming they're available. |
| 15:10.32 | unix_lappy | heh, "collecting devices" is a waste. been waiting almost 2 years to get a proper smartphone. |
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| 15:11.50 | thinair | hello, which view should I use if I want to draw (text and icon) additionnal information on a loaded ressource image ? SurfaceView/ImageView.. I would like to be able to stretch/scale the image |
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| 15:12.59 | thinair | like the name of the person, we see on the image... |
| 15:13.37 | thinair | the user should be able to touch the name and move it to an other head (on the image)... |
| 15:14.37 | jasta | starts working on some fancy animations |
| 15:14.46 | jasta | *crosses fingers there are no animation cache bugs left* |
| 15:15.21 | wastrel | animation? |
| 15:15.58 | thinair | no idea ? for the view ? |
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| 15:22.42 | jasta | neat, that worked easily |
| 15:23.05 | jasta | faded out the secondary progress by using a viewswitcher and two identical progress bars |
| 15:23.17 | jasta | but with one having no secondary progress |
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| 16:13.44 | muthu | http://code.google.com/intl/en_in/events/developerday/2008/sessions.html |
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| 16:14.51 | Poohba2 | hey all. i need to get my bookmarks and downloads. Where is the best place to get software for android? I want to load it up asap bc only have 14 days b4 i can send it back if i don't like it |
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| 16:23.40 | muthu | helloandroid.com |
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| 16:31.20 | jasta | Poohba2: i don't think you'll get a very good sense of what's out there based on what's out there now |
| 16:31.42 | jasta | there's lots of unreleased software |
| 16:31.43 | wastrel | handsets are shipping? |
| 16:31.50 | jasta | more unreleased than released, i'd imagine. |
| 16:32.03 | wastrel | my hello world app hasn't been released yet |
| 16:42.00 | Poohba2 | i'm looking for a place i can find "real", not "my brother's friend thinks this will work" software |
| 16:44.10 | jasta | Poohba2: as i said, most of it is unreleased. |
| 16:46.23 | jasta | interesting |
| 16:46.30 | jasta | look at this dx output i just noticed: |
| 16:46.31 | jasta | [ERROR] warning: Ignoring InnerClasses attribute for an anonymous inner class that doesn't come with an associated EnclosingMethod attribute. (This class was probably produced by a broken compiler.) |
| 16:46.48 | jasta | repeated about 50 times building my project |
| 16:46.48 | jasta | javac 1.5 is a broken compiler? |
| 16:46.57 | romainguy_ | there are bugs in every compiler ;) |
| 16:48.48 | jasta | is this a known bug in javac 1.5? if not, it's a bit easier to suspect a bug in dx |
| 16:48.59 | romainguy_ | could be both |
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| 16:51.44 | wastrel | my central point remains, i thought handsets weren't shipping yet |
| 16:52.24 | pjv | Poohba2: you could try https://launchpad.net/androidsfortune/+download and you would do me a favor with it |
| 16:52.52 | jasta | wastrel: they are not |
| 16:53.16 | jasta | i think he just wants to try stuff out to decide if he wants to buy an android phone |
| 16:53.21 | jasta | but the emulator is not good at that |
| 16:53.50 | wastrel | hrm |
| 16:53.59 | wastrel | well i still haven't ordered and am waiting for my quarterly bonus |
| 16:54.33 | unix_lappy | jasta: point being that people dont have the money to "collect devices" |
| 16:54.41 | pjv | no harm in a bit of shameless self-advertising ;-) |
| 16:55.05 | jasta | unix_lappy: oh i'm sorry, i thought we were all software engineers here *wink* |
| 16:57.04 | Disconnect | wastrel: fwiw the bill won't come until after the phone does (which is nov or later at this point) |
| 16:57.11 | Disconnect | so order now, then hope for te bonus later |
| 16:57.58 | wastrel | Disconnect: the problem is i don't know how much it will be |
| 16:58.06 | Disconnect | not tmob? |
| 16:58.11 | wastrel | could be zero - it's performance based and that's in the hands of management |
| 16:58.14 | Disconnect | ahh |
| 16:58.17 | Disconnect | fun |
| 16:58.18 | unix_lappy | jasta: lol, disposable income is a terrible thing. |
| 16:58.39 | Disconnect | did once have a job that was - no joke - 60% paid in quarterly bonuses and a big end-of-year bonus |
| 16:59.08 | wastrel | i should quit chatting on irc and perform i guess... |
| 16:59.09 | wastrel | :] |
| 16:59.27 | Disconnect | when i left (partially because of that) they had to hire 2 guys to replace me, and they weren't having any of that crap. word is it came out about 25% more than my max yearly, PLUS they wanted (smaller) bonuses. |
| 16:59.53 | Disconnect | but performance went up, since they had actual funding instead of daily-wtf-style dying desktops running openserver :) |
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| 17:20.22 | plusminus_ | http://www.anddev.org/get_your_android_application_tested_on_a_g1_-t3063.html |
| 17:21.21 | thinair | I have builded a custom class herited from SurfaceView. In this view, I am drawing two images (from ressources)... The size of my image are about 500k. So 1meg. Actually I have an OutOfMemoryError. Do anyone has a similar problem ? |
| 17:23.51 | thinair | The camera from the G1 should be a 3 megapixel. So I suppose the device will be able to show this image on the screen. How is it possible to do that without an OutOfMemoryError ? |
| 17:24.51 | dmoffett | Very cool plusminus. :-) |
| 17:25.05 | plusminus_ | if the images are 500kb as jpeg, they are a lot larger as bitmaps |
| 17:26.17 | thinair | yes I believe bitmap will be bigger... ok, how should I process to be able to show these image.. |
| 17:27.45 | thinair | my goal is to load two images, superpose them. One should be like a map for the image... the user should be able to put the map himself at the right position on the other image... by just touching it.. |
| 17:28.45 | thinair | but actually, I am just able to load one image. Normally they should'nt be as big. But I tried with big image to be sure about allocation. |
| 17:29.42 | thinair | so to be able to show both. How could I process ? I put this image in an herited surfaceview.. |
| 17:30.06 | plusminus_ | maybe the PhotoStream app includes some code you could use |
| 17:30.12 | plusminus_ | in apps-for-android |
| 17:31.00 | thinair | ok, thanks I will look at it now. |
| 17:32.03 | muthu | plusminus_: where to submit apps for testing? |
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| 17:34.36 | plusminus_ | http://www.anddev.org/viewtopic.php?p=11050#11050 |
| 17:35.04 | plusminus_ | he talked of PMs but please provide (non secret ;) ) results back to the community/ |
| 17:36.06 | muthu | ok |
| 17:36.09 | muthu | thx |
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| 17:54.42 | dd94300 | Does anybody know if Android or HTC G1 support TTY features? |
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| 17:56.16 | Disconnect | TTD or TTY? |
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| 17:59.18 | chomchom | Is there a way I can leave in my Android logging statements while running my Junit tests apart from commenting them all out? |
| 18:00.04 | jasta | run your junit tests through Android instrumentation |
| 18:00.17 | jasta | then you can just leave them in and even read them with adb logcat |
| 18:01.16 | chomchom | Ah dear ok |
| 18:01.33 | chomchom | If I solely run them via the instrumentations I lose out on the quick response time of debugging within the IDE |
| 18:01.54 | chomchom | Hopefully this will be addressed in future eclipse plugin implementations |
| 18:10.13 | muthu | textview can show html? |
| 18:10.18 | romainguy___ | yes |
| 18:10.26 | romainguy___ | simple HTML like <b> for instance |
| 18:10.50 | muthu | ok |
| 18:12.05 | muthu | a major design flaw in android is the orientation switch lifecycle |
| 18:12.19 | muthu | like changing for portrait to landscape for example |
| 18:12.27 | romainguy___ | ? |
| 18:12.34 | romainguy___ | how is that a flaw? |
| 18:12.47 | muthu | the state transition must be auto |
| 18:13.17 | romainguy___ | which it is |
| 18:13.22 | muthu | nope |
| 18:13.25 | romainguy___ | yes, it is |
| 18:13.28 | muthu | have a button checked in portrait |
| 18:13.38 | muthu | switched to landscape, its gone |
| 18:13.47 | romainguy___ | ah, that |
| 18:13.55 | romainguy___ | probably just an oversight in the button code |
| 18:13.57 | stadler | that sounds more like a bug than a flaw |
| 18:14.19 | muthu | oh ok |
| 18:14.19 | romainguy___ | normally every view with an id is automatically saved |
| 18:14.28 | zhobbs | muthu: I find it easier to handle the orientation changes manually |
| 18:14.36 | muthu | right, saw this then assumed the state is not carried over |
| 18:14.42 | romainguy___ | zhobbs: and you should not ;) |
| 18:15.02 | muthu | zhobbs: would rather let the system do it for me ;) |
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| 18:17.03 | muthu | the <b> is displayed literally.. in textview |
| 18:17.15 | muthu | do i have to decode? |
| 18:18.18 | romainguy___ | try setting the buffer type to spannable |
| 18:18.35 | muthu | ok |
| 18:19.05 | tomgibara | muthu: where are you pulling the text from? |
| 18:19.24 | muthu | from the server |
| 18:19.37 | muthu | it sends the html block |
| 18:20.03 | tomgibara | okay, I think I've tried using Spannable objects in the past |
| 18:20.18 | tomgibara | I've not tried setting the buffer type before |
| 18:20.21 | muthu | yeah.. trying spannable now.. |
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| 18:28.53 | _avatar | muthu: did the setting the buffer type work? i'd like to know for future reference :) |
| 18:29.10 | muthu | nope |
| 18:29.23 | muthu | don't understand how spannable can turn text into html |
| 18:29.50 | _avatar | it was my understanding that to get HTML formatting working in a textview the string had to come from a resource |
| 18:29.58 | muthu | romainguy spannable doesn't work |
| 18:30.05 | muthu | _avatar: hmm.. right |
| 18:30.17 | muthu | mine is not in resource |
| 18:30.27 | jasta | i use spannable all the time |
| 18:30.56 | muthu | jasta: how to display html? |
| 18:31.18 | muthu | it must be an easy hack somewhere.. |
| 18:31.25 | jasta | uhm hehe |
| 18:31.27 | jasta | spannable isn't for HTML |
| 18:31.32 | muthu | right |
| 18:31.38 | jasta | so you don't use it to display HTML. |
| 18:31.45 | muthu | that's what romainguy said |
| 18:32.03 | jasta | romain probably meant that you could parse a snippet of HTML yourself and translate that to a SpannableString or something |
| 18:32.26 | muthu | he said to set the buffertype to spannable |
| 18:33.22 | jasta | the buffertype of what? |
| 18:33.26 | rayado | muthu: http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/text/Html.html |
| 18:33.35 | muthu | jasta: textview |
| 18:33.40 | muthu | rayado: checking.. |
| 18:34.21 | jasta | muthu: that would not make it magically parse HTML |
| 18:34.37 | jasta | though i think spannables do have *very* crude support for shit like <b> and <i> |
| 18:35.38 | muthu | ha, Html must do the trick |
| 18:35.42 | jasta | there is an example of this in the ApiDemos, but it's *very* crude, i certianly wouldn't rely on it |
| 18:35.43 | muthu | rayado: thx |
| 18:35.50 | muthu | jasta: which one? |
| 18:36.03 | jasta | if i was you, trying to parse legitimate HTML spans, I would develop my own crude parser so that i wouldn't rely on poorly documented Android behaviour |
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| 18:36.18 | jasta | considering that Spannable is actually quite flexible, and could be layered easily |
| 18:36.34 | muthu | jasta: you and me are extremes |
| 18:36.44 | muthu | i rarely write anything new ;) |
| 18:36.57 | muthu | you on the other hand...... |
| 18:37.09 | jasta | you mean in that i like deterministic, maintainable code and you like sloppy crap? :) |
| 18:37.15 | muthu | hehe |
| 18:37.43 | _avatar | ouch |
| 18:37.52 | rayado | That class isn't sloppy crap (imho), it just doesn't support all of html |
| 18:38.05 | rayado | it could be documented better which tags it does support though |
| 18:38.07 | jasta | anyway, see StyledText.java. looking at this now, i think that getText() may be doing something clever to parse the "html" into a proper Spannable |
| 18:38.17 | muthu | oh cool |
| 18:38.52 | muthu | remembered seeing somewhere.. thanks for the pointers |
| 18:38.53 | jasta | because CharSequence is an implemented interface of Spannable, so i bet getText() is actually handing you back a SpannableString, which setText() picks up on and then renders differently |
| 18:39.06 | jasta | you could check pretty easily with a debugger |
| 18:39.18 | jasta | to figure out where all this magic resides and how to access it |
| 18:39.29 | muthu | yup |
| 18:39.48 | jasta | i do not believe, however, that TextView contains any of the logic directly |
| 18:40.03 | jasta | and actually, i think that only <b> and <i> are supported :) |
| 18:40.30 | jasta | so if you want to call that HTML, fine |
| 18:40.51 | jasta | unless you're getting HTML from the user (like AIM or wherever), i would strongly advise you just toss out HTML and construct your own SpannableString |
| 18:41.32 | muthu | HTML works.. am testing only simple stuff |
| 18:41.44 | rayado | this is the list: |
| 18:41.44 | muthu | not sure whether it can handle full blown html |
| 18:42.35 | rayado | br, p, div, em, b, strong, cite, dfn, i, big, small, font, blockquote, tt, a, u, sup, sub, hN, img |
| 18:42.58 | muthu | gr8 |
| 18:43.05 | tomgibara | raydo: It supports img? |
| 18:43.10 | rayado | yep |
| 18:43.15 | rayado | think emoticons |
| 18:43.22 | rayado | iirc that's why it was added |
| 18:43.23 | tomgibara | what sort of evil does that require? |
| 18:43.28 | rayado | don't ask |
| 18:43.55 | muthu | man.. img should be real cool |
| 18:44.10 | tomgibara | muthu: I can only disagree |
| 18:44.17 | muthu | haha |
| 18:44.36 | muthu | haven't seen it yet |
| 18:44.44 | muthu | may be it sux |
| 18:45.28 | jasta | yeah what the hell. so a TextView can draw images? *ugh* |
| 18:45.58 | tomgibara | If img elements are generally supported it means that if I ever use externally sourced HTML, I'm not going to trust it and will have to do some very careful vetting :( |
| 18:47.06 | jasta | well actually, it may be simpler than that at least |
| 18:47.26 | jasta | because it gives you a built up Spannable, you can just prune through that interface |
| 18:47.32 | tomgibara | true |
| 18:47.38 | jasta | collect a list of all the spanned styles and just eliminate ones you dont like |
| 18:47.46 | jasta | actually would be simpler ;) |
| 18:48.05 | jasta | though i still don't like the idea of using something so magical with untrusted input |
| 18:48.21 | jasta | things like that need proper documentation of their internals. |
| 18:48.53 | tomgibara | yes, maybe it's crippled and only displays images that are from data URIs? |
| 18:52.32 | muthu | shit, sqliteman crashes like every 5 mins |
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| 19:38.37 | unix_lappy | muthu: find a killer alternative let me know. |
| 19:43.12 | romainguy___ | TextView doesn't support the <img /> tag |
| 19:43.25 | muthu | unix_lappy: that's the only one so far |
| 19:43.42 | muthu | romainguy___: dang! |
| 19:43.54 | muthu | was already planning some evil text view stuff |
| 19:45.41 | muthu | 01:15 AM here.. nite folks. |
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| 20:07.11 | unix_lappy | muthu: check out the sql explorer plugin for eclipse. |
| 20:07.23 | unix_lappy | er, fail. |
| 20:17.58 | jasonlee | anyone know what the intent is to launch the marketplace? |
| 20:19.35 | dd94300 | Disconnect, I am referring to my question,"Does anybody know if Android or HTC G1 support TTY or TTD features?" |
| 20:28.26 | benley | dd94300: I haven't seen apps for that |
| 20:28.43 | benley | dd94300: however, such a thing would be quite easy to implement, so I bet someone will do it very soon after launch if they haven't already |
| 20:29.28 | benley | dd94300: (assuming you mean the TTY relay services) |
| 20:29.36 | dd94300 | yes |
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| 20:45.44 | TimRiker | now that the G1 is allegedly available, is any android source available? |
| 20:46.01 | gdsx | TimRiker: the G1 will be released on Oct. 22nd |
| 20:46.30 | TimRiker | ah. just pre-orders then I presume. will source get released then? any word from google folks? |
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| 20:46.58 | gdsx | TimRiker: around then, yeah |
| 20:47.21 | TimRiker | I know a peripheral manufacturer that could really use source level access. What avenues do they have? |
| 20:47.33 | romainguy___ | TimRiker: contact Google |
| 20:47.38 | TimRiker | ie: they need more than kernel source, which is all I know of that is available. |
| 20:48.09 | TimRiker | romainguy___: uh, yeah. I was looking for a person, not a company. |
| 20:48.40 | gdsx | TimRiker: I mean, what do they need that's not going to be open-sourced? |
| 20:50.21 | TimRiker | gdsx: you presume everything actually will be open sourced. |
| 20:50.38 | gdsx | TimRiker: not proprietary things, but most things, yes |
| 20:51.24 | TimRiker | they could just wait and see, but it would be useful to have some more information. |
| 20:51.57 | gdsx | I would suggest "be patient, it's not actually that much longer" |
| 20:52.21 | Lenolium | If you're a company wanting to do something with Android, I'd find that person at Google, not sit around and hope for roses. |
| 20:52.23 | TimRiker | nods. heard that one a few times before. |
| 21:09.48 | herriojr | how do I access an content provider from a different application if I defined it? |
| 21:10.35 | herriojr | I'm trying to test a content provider I made |
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| 21:27.18 | herriojr | nevermind |
| 21:38.40 | anno^da_ | Have you read that: http://www.phonedog.com/cell-phone-research/blog/g2-htc-touch-hd-may-be-t-mobile-s-next-android-phone.aspx# |
| 21:44.03 | tethridge | anno^da_, that wouldn't be for the US though |
| 21:44.08 | tethridge | I know you don't care |
| 21:44.15 | tethridge | aren't you in Germany? |
| 21:44.46 | anno^da_ | Yeah right. |
| 21:45.00 | tethridge | where do you live? |
| 21:45.01 | anno^da_ | Just thought it could be interesting for some. |
| 21:45.09 | anno^da_ | In Germany near Munich. |
| 21:45.33 | tethridge | that is the phone I want |
| 21:45.43 | anno^da_ | Well it is a rumour but the G1 rumours turned out to be true so I hope so for the HD rumour as well. :-) |
| 21:45.49 | tethridge | add Android and let it go for about the same price as the G1 and I'm so there |
| 21:46.13 | anno^da_ | Well I'm there for every phone I can test my Android apps at the moment :-) |
| 21:46.26 | anno^da_ | But for personal use I prefer the HD too |
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| 21:49.43 | gdsx | Personally, I'm a big fan of a physical keyboard |
| 21:51.24 | anno^da_ | Thats true but I'm also a fan of built in memory and a 3.5mm port :D |
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| 22:11.21 | nichojo | Android hates me. |
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| 22:24.53 | KenBW2 | is this lack-of-PC-sync as bad as they make out? |
| 22:25.16 | nichojo | Quick question. Is there a way to remove my application from the stack so when I re run it in the emulator, it calls the oncreate once again? |
| 22:26.24 | fadden_ | One approach: leave the app and hit the "kill" button in DDMS. |
| 22:29.35 | romainguy___ | KenBW2: as a user, I would say no, because all the contacts and calendar stuff are synced to my gmail account |
| 22:29.46 | romainguy___ | which I can then sync to my desktop apps (Apple's Mail and iCal) |
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| 22:31.56 | KenBW2 | what about things that can't be |
| 22:32.02 | KenBW2 | like to-do's, notes etc |
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| 22:41.18 | jasta | KenBW2: maybe google will add a service for that too? :) |
| 22:41.31 | jasta | our someone will write some outlook conduit crap over the internet |
| 22:41.37 | jasta | or exchange support, even |
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