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| 01:11.46 | meoblast001 | question |
| 01:11.52 | meoblast001 | does Picasa run in a WINE wrapper? |
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| 01:40.26 | loke_ | meoblast001: on Linux? |
| 01:40.37 | meoblast001 | yes |
| 01:48.34 | loke_ | meoblast001: I believe it is |
| 01:49.57 | meoblast001 | loke_: strange |
| 01:50.05 | loke_ | meoblast001: why? |
| 01:50.17 | meoblast001 | idk |
| 01:50.26 | meoblast001 | it tried to index every image on my hard disk |
| 01:50.29 | loke_ | I mean why is it strange |
| 01:50.57 | loke_ | what does that have to do with it using the Wine libs? |
| 01:51.21 | meoblast001 | idk |
| 01:51.32 | meoblast001 | things usually work better when they are ran natively |
| 01:51.36 | loke_ | of course |
| 01:51.50 | loke_ | picassa not crappy enough for you? :-) |
| 01:52.38 | meoblast001 | watch out.. there are google employees around here |
| 01:53.06 | loke_ | ? |
| 01:53.15 | meoblast001 | dont talk smack about google products |
| 01:54.02 | romainguy_ | you can say whatever you want :) |
| 01:54.29 | loke_ | I feel the need to make several things clear: 1) If somehting is crap, I say it outright, especially if the responsible is listening. 2) I never used picasa, so I wuldn't know if it's crap. 3) I was referring to you being surprised it was Winelib, and thus you must have expected the program to suck more than it does |
| 02:01.16 | meoblast001 | i think Image-Line needs to put FL Studio in a WINE wrapper |
| 02:01.21 | wastrel | google can do no wrong |
| 02:01.31 | meoblast001 | but they wont... they want to work on adding more features and bug fixes to the Windows version |
| 02:01.45 | meoblast001 | google supports linux so i have no complaints |
| 02:02.27 | wastrel | google products don't have bugs, the world is incorrectly configured to accomodate the google code |
| 02:03.09 | meoblast001 | lol |
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| 02:38.58 | meoblast001 | http://www.thenetw0rk.com/features/microshaft.shtml |
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| 02:55.58 | romainguy_ | and done |
| 02:56.03 | romainguy_ | I switched to T-Mobile |
| 02:56.09 | romainguy_ | 3G works really well in San Francisco |
| 02:56.32 | wastrel | tmob eh |
| 02:56.39 | wastrel | i used to live in sf |
| 02:56.49 | romainguy_ | yeah, definitely surrendered my iPhone's AT&T plan :) |
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| 02:57.53 | unix_infidel | romainguy_: bit the 200 dollar fee? |
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| 02:58.03 | romainguy_ | it's worth it |
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| 02:58.34 | wastrel | i don't have an iphone |
| 02:58.41 | unix_infidel | romainguy_: didnt say anything to the contrary. |
| 02:58.52 | romainguy_ | I didn't say you said the contrary :)) |
| 02:59.05 | unix_infidel | romainguy_: you probably saved more than that in terms of monthly costs + taxes. |
| 02:59.40 | romainguy_ | definitely |
| 02:59.54 | romainguy_ | especially since I switched my girlfriend's plan with m ine |
| 03:00.29 | unix_infidel | heh, well you live in SF, so you're over paying for basically everything already. |
| 03:00.38 | romainguy_ | that's true :) |
| 03:00.42 | romainguy_ | like gas and rent ^^ |
| 03:00.59 | romainguy_ | I was surprised to see how much more expensive gas is in SF compared to say, Arizona and Utah :) |
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| 03:02.38 | romainguy_ | the T-Mobile employees in the store were pretty surprised to see a couple of G1 :)) |
| 03:03.00 | yakischloba | hah i bet |
| 03:03.02 | wastrel | did you make them sign an NDA? |
| 03:03.09 | romainguy_ | lol |
| 03:03.19 | romainguy_ | well now the phone has been announced, so I don't have to hide it when I use it anymore :) |
| 03:03.21 | unix_infidel | well AZ and SLC dont have a 7 billion dollar State defecit. |
| 03:03.54 | unix_infidel | well AZ and UT... |
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| 03:50.32 | ahaberlach | yawns. |
| 03:50.39 | muthu1 | http://drop.io/androidbackgrounds |
| 03:53.10 | cbeust | These backgrounds are 1280x1024... Bit silly |
| 03:53.18 | cbeust | why not offer them in the correct resolution? |
| 03:53.38 | muthu1 | not sure why he had only that res |
| 03:54.21 | muthu1 | guess its his desktop background |
| 03:54.58 | muthu1 | got the android walking in snow.. looks nice |
| 03:57.03 | muthu1 | cbeust: do you use linux? |
| 03:57.18 | ahaberlach | spends some time working on Steve-bot 1.0 |
| 03:57.21 | cbeust | Yes, and also Mac and Windows |
| 03:57.30 | muthu1 | which linux distro is the best? |
| 03:57.46 | cbeust | No clue :) |
| 03:57.58 | muthu1 | hehe |
| 03:58.02 | cbeust | I use Linux as little as I can. We use Ubuntu at Google, I hear it's good |
| 03:58.08 | ahaberlach | Are we _trying_ to start a distro war in here? :) |
| 03:58.15 | muthu1 | ubuntu breaks at the first update |
| 03:58.17 | cbeust | but basicall, I use an XTerm, Eclipse and Emacs, that's it |
| 03:58.28 | ahaberlach | likes Ubuntu. used Redhat before that, Debian before that. |
| 03:58.44 | muthu1 | ubuntu seems to the popular one |
| 03:59.04 | cbeust | In a related news, "Linux laptops returned 4x as often as Windows" |
| 03:59.19 | ahaberlach | shrugs. Right now my main service computer is an Ubuntu slice at http://slicehost.com. My work machine is a Google-tweaked Ubuntu, but really all I do is run Firefox, Terminal windows, and Eclipse. :) |
| 03:59.45 | muthu1 | linux cannot be mainstream |
| 03:59.52 | muthu1 | with so much of little nagging issues |
| 03:59.56 | cbeust | No argument there. |
| 04:00.26 | cbeust | G1 emulator: http://tmobile.modeaondemand.com/htc/g1/ |
| 04:00.41 | cbeust | Adam, can you update the topic to point to the emulator? |
| 04:00.57 | muthu1 | cbeust: what's that? |
| 04:01.03 | cbeust | Try it |
| 04:01.05 | cbeust | Flash emulator |
| 04:01.07 | cbeust | Very neat |
| 04:01.10 | muthu1 | oh |
| 04:02.16 | ahaberlach | Sure |
| 04:02.55 | ahaberlach | Hmm. Looks like I cannot. |
| 04:03.03 | cbeust | I'm so disappointed in you. |
| 04:03.04 | ahaberlach | http://tmobile.modeaondemand.com/htc/g1/ |
| 04:03.22 | ahaberlach | Steve-bot LIVES! |
| 04:03.42 | ahaberlach | can now programattically cause a servo to hit the menu button, in order to repeatedly wake a device and see what that does to battery life. |
| 04:04.04 | cbeust | You weren't kidding when you said "bit" |
| 04:04.06 | cbeust | bot* |
| 04:04.07 | muthu1 | nice.. G1 |
| 04:05.03 | muthu1 | gives a feel for G1 |
| 04:05.23 | wastrel | i use ubuntu |
| 04:05.37 | muthu1 | fedora seems to be stable |
| 04:06.57 | cbeust | Can't help laughing when I see my friends still trying to get Linux to support proper sound and hibernation |
| 04:07.04 | cbeust | One release it works, the next it doesn't |
| 04:07.39 | wastrel | i like linux |
| 04:07.59 | muthu1 | cbeust: true |
| 04:08.36 | muthu1 | sound will be on/off for no reason when running emualtor |
| 04:08.39 | muthu1 | gave up on that |
| 04:08.47 | ahaberlach | Oh yeah, don't bother with Linux for sound. I hear that it's ok on laptops but hibernation is a pain. |
| 04:08.51 | muthu1 | wastrel: linux is good |
| 04:09.01 | ahaberlach | I'm fine with an OSX laptop and Linux on my servers. |
| 04:09.17 | cbeust | I like Linux like I would like a chainsaw |
| 04:09.19 | ahaberlach | The Linux workstation at work has a rather large team of people making it work, so it's not so bad. :) |
| 04:45.01 | f00f- | questionable mechanism |
| 04:45.27 | ahaberlach | I now have a "robot" set up that will, every 30 seconds, push a button on a phone for battery-life measurement reasons. |
| 04:45.52 | ahaberlach | Go me. |
| 04:50.06 | wastrel | robot |
| 04:53.24 | umdk1d3 | GAH |
| 04:53.37 | umdk1d3 | why are threads not dying when i tell them to .stop() during onStop() |
| 04:55.01 | romainguy_ | because stop() is not reliable |
| 04:55.04 | romainguy_ | that's not how you stop threads |
| 04:55.08 | romainguy_ | it's even deprectaed |
| 04:56.40 | romainguy_ | wow |
| 04:56.48 | romainguy_ | that St André packs a punch |
| 05:03.23 | umdk1d3 | romainguy_: you ready for a very alpha apk? |
| 05:03.25 | umdk1d3 | ;) |
| 05:03.31 | romainguy_ | shoot :) |
| 05:03.52 | umdk1d3 | wipes and checks one more time to be sure |
| 05:08.29 | hamdroid | umdk1d3: Post a message to a handler tied to the background threads asking them to quit |
| 05:08.59 | romainguy_ | hamdroid: there's no reason to use a Handler |
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| 07:21.59 | anno^da | Is the usage of this drawables in my own app allowed? http://www.screaming-penguin.com/info/android_drawables/android_drawables.html |
| 07:22.44 | romainguy_ | only if they are in android.R.drawable |
| 07:22.53 | romainguy_ | if not, they are considered private APIs and you should not use them |
| 07:23.12 | romainguy_ | also, it's a bad idea to manually copy them in your app because you might get out of sync with our updates :) |
| 07:23.39 | romainguy_ | and some of these drawables are actually outdated/unused |
| 07:31.18 | anno^da | Ok. Thank you romainguy_ . |
| 07:31.28 | anno^da | Just found this site in some news about Android. |
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| 07:39.33 | Dovid | any1 have a list of phones that r android compatable |
| 07:51.05 | romainguy_ | T-Mobile G1 :) |
| 07:51.54 | mazzen | hehe |
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| 07:54.44 | Dovid | i have an existing Samsung phone that i wan convert over ;) |
| 07:55.43 | romainguy_ | well |
| 07:55.50 | romainguy_ | if the hardware meets the requirements |
| 07:55.53 | romainguy_ | and if you have all the drivers |
| 07:55.58 | romainguy_ | then sure :) |
| 07:56.08 | romainguy_ | (and if you have a way to reflash your phone :) |
| 07:57.23 | mazzen | hm... but this is an interesting question... is there any basic procedure? |
| 07:58.55 | mazzen | a kind of: first do this, and than do that? |
| 07:59.14 | romainguy_ | no, there's no such official procedure |
| 08:00.04 | Dovid | :( |
| 08:00.08 | Dovid | i dont mind flashin it |
| 08:01.04 | romainguy_ | as I said, your hardware must meet the basic requirements of Android |
| 08:01.09 | romainguy_ | and you need the appropriate drivers |
| 08:01.40 | mazzen | romainguy_: nothing official, but something with more explanatory notes than just "take this patch and patch the kernel and flash it" |
| 08:01.55 | romainguy_ | I have no idea |
| 08:02.02 | romainguy_ | I know how to flash a G1 and that's about it ^^ |
| 08:02.21 | mazzen | ok :-) |
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| 08:04.16 | mickrobk | ok, how do u reflash a G1? |
| 08:04.49 | romainguy_ | with the flashing tool :) |
| 08:05.37 | mickrobk | lol :'| |
| 08:25.14 | anno^da | Talking about the IM app. Is there one contact list for all the messengers or do I have to step through the different accounts and their connected buddy lists ? |
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| 10:55.12 | Acsia | hello everybody |
| 10:58.05 | pjv | hello Acsia |
| 10:58.41 | Acsia | hi pjv, anybody working on instrumentation? |
| 11:01.04 | pjv | don't know, but: http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/app/Instrumentation.html |
| 11:02.16 | Acsia | I ve been trying to set that up |
| 11:02.27 | Acsia | the onDestroy or onStart does not seem to be called |
| 11:02.33 | Acsia | while onCreate yes |
| 11:03.06 | pjv | can't help you, sorry |
| 11:03.29 | Acsia | no worries |
| 11:03.44 | Acsia | been breaking my head on testing and instrumentation |
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| 11:21.42 | damienix | witam |
| 11:22.10 | damienix | hi |
| 11:22.40 | Acsia | I wish I was |
| 11:23.24 | damienix | is there sb who can programming on Android? |
| 11:24.05 | Acsia | yes |
| 11:24.50 | anno^da | Does anybod now if Android contains some mechanism to protect private data if the phone is stolen or you lost it some different way ? |
| 11:25.21 | damienix | isn't it too hard? |
| 11:25.33 | anno^da | I dont know we carry more and more private things around but dont really protect them. Some encryption would be nice. |
| 11:25.56 | Acsia | well there is this kind of login mechanism to the phone which is quite cool |
| 11:26.02 | Acsia | gesture recognition |
| 11:26.05 | anno^da | yeah I know that bzt well |
| 11:26.19 | Acsia | not sure about encryption |
| 11:26.22 | anno^da | But thats no real security :P |
| 11:26.33 | anno^da | That like the PIN on normal mobiles. |
| 11:26.48 | Acsia | you know there is this app which would give you the location if you send an sms |
| 11:27.12 | Acsia | you could do further by destroying your data |
| 11:27.23 | anno^da | Yeah I know this kind of mechanisms. Just wanted to know if there is something integrated already :-) |
| 11:27.38 | Acsia | not as far as I know |
| 11:27.52 | anno^da | Just thought about this. We add mail, instant messaging, addresse, calendar etc etc on our upcoming devices. |
| 11:28.30 | anno^da | Just about everything private. So it should be protected effectifly protected. |
| 11:28.36 | anno^da | -protected |
| 11:28.37 | Acsia | I agree |
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| 11:29.00 | damienix | is there a version of android that can be installed on some existing phone besides g1? |
| 11:29.10 | anno^da | Perhaps romainguy_ knows something about that point. |
| 11:29.28 | Acsia | the sms idea is not to bad |
| 11:29.46 | Acsia | as soon you realize your phone is gone, you could potentially completely lock it down |
| 11:30.15 | Acsia | especially that you would receive the sms as soon as you turn the phone on |
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| 11:30.56 | Acsia | it s quite painful to enter passwords each time as well |
| 11:31.04 | Acsia | especially if there is no keyboard |
| 11:31.13 | Acsia | so users will tend to save it |
| 11:36.48 | anno^da | Yeah thats true |
| 11:38.21 | anno^da | I would prefer some mechanism that encrypts the system after locking the screen. I dont bother about entering a password. But I think that encrypting the whole system would be too slow at the moment. |
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| 11:49.56 | loke_ | anno^da: wouldn't using an ecrypted filesystem be a better idea? |
| 11:50.10 | anno^da | Yeah sure. |
| 11:50.19 | anno^da | That would be nice. |
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| 16:57.37 | dob1 | hi, i am trying to run the helloworld example from android sdk, but i am not able to do this, i get this "Error generating final archive: keystore was tampered or password incorrect" from eclipse |
| 16:57.41 | dob1 | how can i resolve this? |
| 17:09.17 | dob1 | in 2 days after at least 20 hours here nobody answer me, is this just a parking channel? |
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| 17:21.28 | ahaberlach | dob1: Hmm -- that's strange. |
| 17:21.33 | ahaberlach | Is this on Windows, OSX, or Linux? |
| 17:22.08 | ahaberlach | The "keystore" in question is used to sign your .apks. When the Eclipse plug-in is first run, it should generate some sample keys to use, and they're valid for a while (and if they had expired, you'd get a different message). |
| 17:22.21 | ahaberlach | I'm not sure why the system is having trouble reading the keystore, though. |
| 17:26.15 | dob1 | ahaberlach: i tried to reinstall all yesterday, now i found some info on a forum, the problems is (i think) the debug.keystore |
| 17:26.21 | dob1 | i deleted it and nothing works |
| 17:26.26 | dob1 | now i delete the project too |
| 17:26.30 | dob1 | and seems working |
| 17:26.53 | dob1 | but it's not good if i have to recreate the project on eclipse to get it working |
| 17:27.42 | ahaberlach | Yeah, that's kind of sucky. |
| 17:27.51 | ahaberlach | Although I'd like to know how you ended up with an invalid keystore. |
| 17:28.15 | ahaberlach | xavd would probably know best, but I'm not sure how active he is on the channel. |
| 17:28.29 | dob1 | if i read correct, but i am not sure of this, can be because i had gcj installed too, and it used it to create the keystore(?) |
| 17:28.32 | dob1 | can be? |
| 17:29.08 | ahaberlach | Possibly -- I only know the general stuff, but it sounds plausible that gcj's cert creating/signing stuff doesn't work cleanly with Eclipse. |
| 17:29.40 | dob1 | now seems working, but i am just a beginner, i don't know how to test it correct |
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| 17:46.05 | anno^da | Does someone know if there is a possibility in Bazaar (bzr) to exclude some files from a branch? |
| 17:46.15 | anno^da | (like the R.java :) ) |
| 17:54.08 | taaz | bzr ignore --help |
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| 17:58.44 | anno^da | great thank you :-) |
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| 18:02.04 | ttuttle | Greetings. |
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| 18:58.30 | gary| | hello, does anyone know how to make a textview autoscroll when the data goes past the last line? |
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| 20:13.29 | ahaberlach | gary| : Do you have it wrapped in a ScrollView? |
| 20:13.37 | gary| | yes |
| 20:13.38 | ahaberlach | really has no idea, but wanted to say something. :) |
| 20:13.47 | gary| | heh |
| 20:14.10 | gary| | i tried different methods, scrollTo(), new Scroller, then scrollTo |
| 20:14.31 | gary| | with Scroller, it cuts of the text I scrolled from and I can't get back up |
| 20:14.48 | gary| | s/get/scroll |
| 20:16.16 | ahaberlach | No idea, off the top of my head, and I'm not sure where to check for an example. |
| 20:18.09 | f00f- | you want text to scroll though |
| 20:18.12 | f00f- | is this a list item? |
| 20:18.21 | f00f- | you probably need to connect an onselected listener |
| 20:18.24 | f00f- | and tell it to scroll |
| 20:18.53 | f00f- | tell the child TextView to scroll |
| 20:18.56 | gary| | it's a textview |
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| 20:21.09 | jasta | sigh, didnt get any dev done yesterday because my PC was broken :( |
| 20:21.14 | jasta | SATA controller died :( |
| 20:22.25 | unix_infidel | RAID? |
| 20:22.40 | jasta | nope |
| 20:24.29 | gary| | mmm, enough for today me thinks |
| 20:25.16 | gary| | laters |
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| 20:26.06 | unix_infidel | heh, been thinking about doing RAID, reminds me I need to pull out the 500GB drive for backups. |
| 20:26.17 | jasta | i do raid on an external server |
| 20:26.45 | jasta | 5 300GB drives |
| 20:27.09 | jasta | hardware raid, with hot-swappable drives |
| 20:27.18 | unix_infidel | ya, I would consider that, but it'd only be useful for an outward facing server, but my upload speeds are terrible. |
| 20:27.40 | jasta | i live in a house with 4 guys, so it's a community server |
| 20:27.44 | jasta | though i own it |
| 20:27.51 | unix_infidel | also a viable scenario. |
| 20:31.49 | ahaberlach | I host my stuff at http://slicehost.com but maintain a local Samba server. |
| 20:32.08 | ahaberlach | I used to do a bunch of software RAID, but it was PITA so now I use rsnapshot to roll backups onto an external drive. |
| 20:32.28 | ahaberlach | http://www.rsnapshot.org/ |
| 20:33.07 | tomgibara | is there any guidance on the recommended key alg. or key size for signing android apps? |
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| 20:43.39 | umdk1d3 | tomgibara: ive just used keytool+jarsign with defaults and it seemed to work |
| 20:45.48 | tomgibara | umdk1d3: :) just working isn't good enough |
| 20:46.43 | tomgibara | I want to know that I'm making the best choices, certificates and keys live a long time |
| 20:47.27 | tomgibara | for example, what is the baseline compatibility for android devices? |
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| 20:49.17 | zhobbs | tomgibara: hmm, I didn't think about it either, but you're probably right...my cert expires in 6 months...does that mean that I'll have to change my cert in 6 months and the user will lose their data on updating my app |
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| 20:50.47 | tomgibara | zhobbs: It *might* mean that the user can't upgrade from the old version to the new one - that even though they have the same package, they will be regarded as incompatible apps (because the signature on the apk determines the process UID) |
| 20:51.13 | zhobbs | yeah, that's scary.... |
| 20:51.26 | tomgibara | I think it's probable |
| 20:53.47 | zhobbs | so can you make them never expire? |
| 20:54.40 | tomgibara | I don't know |
| 20:54.45 | tomgibara | The one I'm using personally for my own small apps is set to expire in 30yrs, that should be long enough. |
| 20:55.02 | tomgibara | 1024bit RSA, fairly standard imo |
| 20:55.02 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 20:55.21 | tomgibara | I chose something basic on the assumption that it will be supported |
| 20:56.04 | tomgibara | the problem is that I don't know enough to make good choices on my own, I need some guidance |
| 20:56.17 | tomgibara | (and I speak as someone who's actually implemented some of these algorithms) |
| 21:06.03 | tomgibara | I just tried it out, installing the same application with a consistent package and different cert is rejected (by the emulator anyway) |
| 21:06.25 | umdk1d3 | i assume that market would show the error to a user, and allow them to uninstall the old version before reinstalling again |
| 21:06.48 | umdk1d3 | (it might show "upgrade"/"uninstall" buttons) |
| 21:07.05 | tomgibara | Perhaps, but the issue is with apps that persist state for that user, that state becomes inaccessible |
| 21:07.20 | umdk1d3 | well in the case of an uninstall its wiped |
| 21:07.29 | tomgibara | that's what I mean |
| 21:08.49 | umdk1d3 | ive wondered about this: how many developers would find it useful to have a simple storage service (key->value pairs) that was synced to the cloud? automatically tied to the persons google acct |
| 21:09.20 | umdk1d3 | as long as that data is lightweight, it seems like it would be valuable with minimal cost |
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| 21:10.07 | tomgibara | Yes something as simple as the SharedPreferences API would be enough |
| 21:11.22 | umdk1d3 | and if they extended SharedPreferences under the hood, it could handle syncing logic without devs having to see it |
| 21:11.24 | tomgibara | Several of these ideas are only really feasible when either its available as part of the standard libraries, or the apk infrastructure is good enough to support dependencies etc. |
| 21:11.50 | umdk1d3 | standard libraries for sure |
| 21:12.12 | umdk1d3 | another thing we had considered writing was a error dump helper |
| 21:12.13 | tomgibara | The semantics of the SharedPreferences api are already consistent with asynchronous updates |
| 21:12.43 | umdk1d3 | watching logcat for deadly errors from your app, then sending the log back to your app in a special intent |
| 21:12.44 | tomgibara | You can't just throw everything into the standard libraries of the platform :) |
| 21:12.59 | umdk1d3 | right, this second idea would be a separate package maybe |
| 21:13.10 | umdk1d3 | it would just handle stack traces or soemthing |
| 21:13.22 | umdk1d3 | i havent looked to see if an app can get full access to logcat data tho |
| 21:14.32 | umdk1d3 | "slightly private information about what is happening on the device, but should never contain the user's private information. " |
| 21:14.48 | umdk1d3 | and as long as we filter by PID or something it should be decent |
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| 21:16.34 | tomgibara | I haven't looked into that sort of possibility at all. |
| 21:19.27 | zhobbs | I need some heap analysis tools...android's heap dumps don't work with jhat, jprobe, etc |
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| 21:20.05 | tomgibara | zhobbs: Still hunting? |
| 21:20.12 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 21:23.57 | tomgibara | http://www.tomgibara.com/android/pinpoint/ |
| 21:24.26 | tomgibara | ^^ I'd be grateful if anyone with a device could tell me if actually works |
| 21:24.36 | zhobbs | you're busy! |
| 21:25.29 | tomgibara | :) just one of many |
| 21:25.29 | tomgibara | I'm only just finding a bit of time to publish some of my work |
| 21:25.31 | tomgibara | this one was an experiment in minimalism, so it's only small |
| 21:27.58 | kingkung | hello? |
| 21:28.23 | kingkung | anybody home? |
| 21:44.46 | ahaberlach | installs pinpoint. |
| 21:46.17 | tomgibara | thanks ahaberlach but reminds that SMSs may cost money to send and receive |
| 21:50.04 | ahaberlach | Hmm. No sign that the incoming SMS was handled by anything related to PinPoint. No GPS in-use indicator on. |
| 21:54.20 | tomgibara | :( Not having a device, I'm not sure I can do anything until I do. But thanks for trying it |
| 21:54.47 | ahaberlach | I'll poke at it. Do you know if the 'locate' in the incoming SMS is case-sensitive? |
| 21:55.01 | tomgibara | no, it's not case sensitive |
| 21:55.01 | ahaberlach | It's also possible I just didn't wait long enough, since it should be trying to get a GPS fix, and that takes a bit. |
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| 21:55.16 | ahaberlach | (And this particular device was waiting to reboot for an update anyway) |
| 21:55.43 | tomgibara | that should still show the GPS signal icon though, if it was trying to obtain the location? |
| 21:56.24 | tomgibara | it does debug logging, under the tag "pinpoint" |
| 21:56.46 | ahaberlach | D/pinpoint( 327): Got SMS, continuing |
| 21:56.46 | ahaberlach | D/pinpoint( 327): Enabled, continuing |
| 21:56.46 | ahaberlach | D/pinpoint( 327): Pin set, continuing |
| 21:57.06 | tomgibara | and it ends there? |
| 21:57.17 | ahaberlach | Ah, I didn't have the GPS turned on for this device (it's off by default) |
| 21:57.55 | tomgibara | It should check for that and fall back to network triangulation |
| 21:58.22 | tomgibara | is that supported on the devices? |
| 21:58.36 | ahaberlach | Yep |
| 21:58.53 | tomgibara | basically it should process the list of location providers based on the user preferences, until it finds one thats enabled |
| 21:58.56 | ahaberlach | Although T-Mobile's 3G network is so new that we don't have it yet in all locations. |
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| 21:59.23 | tomgibara | It could might be a bug, the emulator only emulates GPS - it's never been tested with anything else |
| 22:03.42 | tomgibara | ahaberlach: if the log doesn't contain "Locate found, continuing" it means that the "locate *PIN*" wasn't located in the SMS |
| 22:04.41 | ahaberlach | Ah, I never saw that, then. |
| 22:04.51 | ahaberlach | I'll double-check my PIN and resend. |
| 22:04.58 | tomgibara | It's possible that receiving SMS messages isn't available to apps on the devices |
| 22:05.27 | tomgibara | it works in the emulator, but the intent constants were pulled, so it's not clear if it's supported or not. |
| 22:06.00 | tomgibara | it got the intent though... |
| 22:06.29 | ahaberlach | D/pinpoint( 327): Got SMS, continuing |
| 22:06.29 | ahaberlach | D/pinpoint( 327): Enabled, continuing |
| 22:06.29 | ahaberlach | D/pinpoint( 327): Pin set, continuing |
| 22:06.29 | ahaberlach | D/pinpoint( 327): Locate found, continuing |
| 22:06.29 | ahaberlach | D/pinpoint( 327): Origin present, continuing |
| 22:06.37 | ahaberlach | Aha! And the GPS indicator is now on. |
| 22:06.50 | tomgibara | great! |
| 22:07.03 | ahaberlach | Either I mis-set my PIN or something got confused there. |
| 22:08.22 | tomgibara | I think what's happened is that I've made a stupid error :) |
| 22:08.32 | tomgibara | had you restarted the device? |
| 22:08.48 | ahaberlach | Yeah, I think so |
| 22:09.13 | ahaberlach | Ok, i just got a reply SMS saying "location unknown: Failed to obtain a location." |
| 22:09.47 | ahaberlach | The GPS, at least on my not-final-production device, is pretty unreliable indoors. You may want to arrange a fallback to network-based location, since it's much more reliable (if usually much less accurate) |
| 22:09.48 | tomgibara | how long does it take to get a 'lock on' with GPS? |
| 22:10.02 | ahaberlach | 30-40 seconds when standing under a blue sky. |
| 22:10.57 | tomgibara | Okay, I have decent timeout on getting the location, but I think I'm not falling back when obtaining a location fails, only when the provider is not enabled. |
| 22:11.36 | tomgibara | thanks, that was really useful, I'll make some adjustments |
| 22:12.03 | ahaberlach | No problem |
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