| 00:06.07 | amiral_ | is there a way to extract last android system and data directory ? |
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| 03:38.48 | muthu | any winners got offers from google? |
| 03:42.11 | romainguy | offers of what? |
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| 03:44.46 | muthu | job? |
| 03:44.51 | duey | pleasure? |
| 03:44.55 | muthu | hehe |
| 03:45.55 | muthu | duey: what's up? how your app coming along? |
| 03:46.22 | duey | stopped it |
| 03:46.26 | muthu | why? |
| 03:48.14 | muthu | lot of action in apps-for-android |
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| 03:48.47 | duey | im more of a web person |
| 03:49.05 | duey | im doing some stuff with using javascript to donate computing time |
| 03:49.05 | romainguy | argh web dev /o\ |
| 03:49.09 | duey | :D |
| 03:49.19 | duey | parasitic javascript |
| 03:49.24 | muthu | me glad, not doing any more web stuff |
| 03:49.35 | dmoffett | 3000 apps for iPhone. I am sure Android will have that many and more. Best to get in early. |
| 03:49.38 | duey | i do a range of stuff though |
| 03:49.44 | duey | i like machine learning |
| 03:49.47 | duey | do quite alot of that |
| 03:49.49 | muthu | yeah, early movers |
| 03:50.04 | muthu | dmoffett: how your app coming along? |
| 03:50.22 | duey | i dont think i could do just webdev |
| 03:50.25 | dmoffett | Muthu: pretty well. slow but plodding along. |
| 03:50.26 | duey | would drive me insane |
| 03:50.30 | dmoffett | And you? |
| 03:50.35 | duey | not a challenge |
| 03:50.43 | muthu | dmoffett: just got started.. |
| 03:50.46 | muthu | long way to go |
| 03:50.56 | duey | muthu: bought any new toys? |
| 03:51.06 | duey | (having another trip to usa?) |
| 03:51.25 | muthu | waiting for android |
| 03:51.35 | duey | ah |
| 03:51.43 | duey | might not release in india :P |
| 03:51.45 | muthu | to buy a gphone asap |
| 03:51.56 | muthu | right, will need to find someone to send me here |
| 03:52.02 | muthu | but then carriers.. |
| 03:52.06 | duey | might be locked! |
| 03:52.12 | duey | iphone style |
| 03:52.23 | muthu | will suck for developers |
| 03:52.29 | duey | indeed |
| 03:52.34 | muthu | need to test my app on the device |
| 03:52.56 | duey | would be lols if it crashed |
| 03:53.04 | muthu | hehe |
| 03:53.18 | muthu | how they expect the developers to launch their app with the market |
| 03:53.35 | dmoffett | One thing I was thinking about si the key board might be on the side. |
| 03:53.35 | plusminus_ | muthu: thats what I am questioning myself too |
| 03:53.53 | muthu | plusminus_: devices were probably send out to a ew |
| 03:53.57 | muthu | s/ew/few |
| 03:53.58 | dmoffett | So you have do most text input with the device on the side. |
| 03:54.01 | plusminus_ | romours of sept 23 are getting really hard! |
| 03:54.10 | muthu | yeah, sep 23 seems likely |
| 03:54.22 | muthu | in that case we have 10 days to write our app ;) |
| 03:54.24 | plusminus_ | muthu: "a few", liek developers? |
| 03:54.36 | muthu | plusminus_: yeah, developers, winners... |
| 03:54.59 | plusminus_ | developers would be great, winners only would be .... not so great ;) |
| 03:55.04 | dmoffett | There are lots of things to clean up with the real device. |
| 03:55.09 | muthu | might be winners only now.. |
| 03:55.17 | dmoffett | seems to be the pattern. |
| 03:55.24 | dmoffett | you were a winner Muthu. |
| 03:55.25 | plusminus_ | dmoffett: unfortunately :( |
| 03:55.36 | muthu | dmoffett: i am a loser winner |
| 03:55.58 | muthu | my share is a part of the winnings.. |
| 03:56.02 | muthu | and that's about it |
| 03:56.03 | plusminus_ | muthu: hm as you are in india and maybe cannot use it, feel free to send it to me |
| 03:56.05 | plusminus_ | :) |
| 03:56.17 | muthu | plusminus_: didn't get any device |
| 03:56.19 | dmoffett | Romainguy: is using the emulator a good indicator how your app will perform on the real device? |
| 03:56.24 | plusminus_ | you coudl get |
| 03:56.39 | plusminus_ | dmoffett: heaily depends on the host pc running it on! |
| 03:56.41 | romainguy | dmoffett: except for performance and screen size, yes |
| 03:57.03 | muthu | and i'm not eager to get a device in india without the carriers supporting it |
| 03:57.05 | romainguy | I have yet to see an app that behaves differently between the too |
| 03:57.26 | muthu | romainguy: can we launch it, without testing on real device? |
| 03:57.42 | romainguy | depends on the app and how you wrote it |
| 03:57.46 | romainguy | but yeah |
| 03:57.55 | dmoffett | Romainguy: Do you develop apps with text input to work both portrait and landscape? |
| 03:58.02 | romainguy | many of our developers work mostly on the emulator |
| 03:58.12 | muthu | great, then emulator is enough |
| 03:58.20 | dmoffett | Good to know. |
| 03:58.34 | romainguy | dmoffett: I never change the interaction based on the orientation |
| 03:58.37 | muthu | or i need to come to SF :) |
| 03:58.47 | romainguy | I just make sure that my layouts look and behave great in landscape and portait |
| 03:58.49 | romainguy | portrait |
| 03:58.59 | dmoffett | Muthu: Does Google have an office in India? |
| 03:59.07 | muthu | in bangalore |
| 03:59.08 | muthu | yes |
| 03:59.18 | dmoffett | Seems like you would be a shoe in there. |
| 03:59.43 | dmoffett | Once in then you can move after some period of time if you like. |
| 03:59.55 | muthu | working in any organization is a big pain, IMO |
| 04:00.17 | dmoffett | there are pluses and minuses. |
| 04:00.22 | muthu | my goal for now is to come up with this android product |
| 04:00.35 | muthu | and win adc2 |
| 04:00.37 | dmoffett | From the outside Google seems like one of the better ones. |
| 04:00.51 | plusminus_ | dmoffett: definitely |
| 04:00.52 | muthu | yeah, google is way better than most |
| 04:01.02 | plusminus_ | romainguy ? |
| 04:01.05 | romainguy | yes? |
| 04:01.06 | plusminus_ | ;) |
| 04:01.10 | dmoffett | It is a good plan but I would plan to make an app people will buy. More money there. :-) |
| 04:01.12 | muthu | lol |
| 04:01.19 | plusminus_ | what can you say from the inside ? |
| 04:01.24 | romainguy | about Google? |
| 04:01.26 | romainguy | it's great |
| 04:01.40 | plusminus_ | :) |
| 04:01.40 | muthu | but adc2 might require fresh apps |
| 04:01.46 | romainguy | and when you work hard, they treat you REALLY well |
| 04:01.48 | muthu | not the one which is already in market |
| 04:02.07 | romainguy | and even when things get personal they help you a lot |
| 04:02.07 | dmoffett | I heard if you are over 25 you can't get into Google. |
| 04:02.15 | plusminus_ | romainguy sounds even better that I thought :) |
| 04:02.16 | muthu | really? |
| 04:02.19 | romainguy | dmoffett: certainly not true |
| 04:02.20 | dmoffett | and your iQ has to be over 25 as well. :-) |
| 04:02.25 | muthu | hehe |
| 04:02.31 | plusminus_ | :-D |
| 04:02.51 | dmoffett | Yeah I did not think so. Just a rumor. |
| 04:02.56 | muthu | if google opens in chennai, it would be great |
| 04:03.01 | muthu | but they will not.. |
| 04:03.03 | plusminus_ | when IQ reaches room-temperature... in Celsius its even better ;) |
| 04:03.11 | plusminus_ | or funnier... |
| 04:03.18 | dmoffett | lol |
| 04:03.31 | muthu | some winners got google offers is another rumor |
| 04:04.09 | dmoffett | Based on what I have seen a rumor has about 10% chance of being true. |
| 04:04.17 | muthu | badly want to know, the market launch date |
| 04:04.24 | muthu | so can get the app ready |
| 04:04.31 | muthu | or atleast plan for a roadmap |
| 04:04.35 | gambler | will the app store launch on the same day? |
| 04:04.51 | muthu | morridl: when's the market launch? |
| 04:04.57 | dmoffett | I do find it strange that there is not much more of a clear plan. |
| 04:05.12 | muthu | why can't google just set a date? |
| 04:05.18 | muthu | to help the developers.. prepare |
| 04:05.21 | plusminus_ | romainguy btw the Geocoder is really great! If the bounding-box works, its even better! |
| 04:05.34 | plusminus_ | muthu: ... mystery? |
| 04:05.57 | dmoffett | Setting a date is tricky since then they either make it or look bad. |
| 04:06.16 | muthu | google skips date regularly |
| 04:06.20 | muthu | so that wouldn't be a surprise |
| 04:06.35 | dmoffett | There seems to be a plethora of people that love to see these companies look bad. |
| 04:06.54 | muthu | a tentative date.. may be |
| 04:07.03 | muthu | http://www.jsharkey.org/blog/2008/09/11/quick-database-row-editor-in-android-09-sdk/ |
| 04:08.02 | muthu | if i were to name one android winner, i'll name jeff |
| 04:08.12 | dmoffett | yeah the way Google handles android is strange to most for sure. |
| 04:08.28 | dmoffett | Why? |
| 04:08.45 | muthu | jeff seems to get both sides of it - technical/business |
| 04:09.27 | muthu | brilliant idea - brilliant marketing - brilliant execution = brilliant scan!! |
| 04:10.29 | muthu | he had made a lot of people envy, including me :) |
| 04:10.39 | dmoffett | Muthu: How do the Indian Gods explain why some people have everything and most have little? |
| 04:11.02 | gambler | wow |
| 04:11.03 | muthu | gods must be crazy! |
| 04:11.32 | gambler | s/gods/people |
| 04:11.39 | muthu | gambler: the app store will launch the same day as of the device |
| 04:12.06 | gambler | I ve got one app here I might put on just out of curiosity |
| 04:12.14 | muthu | the diversity of indian gods.. is again a big puzzle |
| 04:12.18 | gambler | see what kind of userbase it attracts |
| 04:12.18 | muthu | just like the people |
| 04:12.41 | muthu | gambler: what app? |
| 04:12.41 | gambler | dmoffett, what prompted you to ask that? |
| 04:13.05 | muthu | that reminds me to update twitter.. |
| 04:13.22 | dmoffett | Jeffery Sharkey seems to have it all and I wondered why God seemed to give me only good looks. :-) |
| 04:13.24 | gambler | muthu, its nothing flash |
| 04:13.35 | muthu | gambler: simple stuff wins |
| 04:13.45 | gambler | agree |
| 04:13.53 | muthu | my goal is to put an app in the market, the first day |
| 04:14.03 | muthu | doesn't matter what my app does! |
| 04:14.07 | dmoffett | it will have to be free right. |
| 04:14.12 | muthu | yes |
| 04:14.22 | muthu | free... initially |
| 04:14.50 | dmoffett | Did you hear about the iPhone app that did nothing and sold for $999. He sold 8 copies before Apple pulled it? |
| 04:14.56 | muthu | wow! |
| 04:15.07 | dmoffett | I think he even said it did nothing. |
| 04:15.12 | muthu | haha |
| 04:15.12 | plusminus_ | because people didn't believe in the price.. |
| 04:15.26 | gambler | no it said System.ot.println("Im RICH"); |
| 04:15.27 | muthu | why should apple pull it? |
| 04:15.32 | muthu | lol |
| 04:15.34 | plusminus_ | I wonder if apps also get updated through th emarket ... |
| 04:15.44 | gambler | I love that story |
| 04:15.56 | muthu | plusminus_: how else would you update? |
| 04:15.57 | gambler | I might have bought it just to anger my family |
| 04:16.16 | plusminus_ | muthu: exactly, thats what I tought og :) |
| 04:16.18 | plusminus_ | f |
| 04:16.42 | dmoffett | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2008/08/iphone-i-am-ric.html |
| 04:16.57 | plusminus_ | probably just like trackdroid did... was a realy good project! |
| 04:17.37 | muthu | amazing.. how people pay $999 that easy |
| 04:18.03 | dmoffett | I would kick my own ass if I bought that. |
| 04:18.10 | plusminus_ | I'll make an "AndLight" for $1337 |
| 04:18.18 | gambler | dont mess up that pretty litle face of yours |
| 04:18.27 | muthu | i'll buy AndLight :) |
| 04:18.34 | plusminus_ | yeeeha |
| 04:18.37 | muthu | gambler: lol |
| 04:18.59 | dmoffett | He has not seen me obviously. |
| 04:19.13 | muthu | haha |
| 04:19.16 | gambler | <dmoffett> Jeffery Sharkey seems to have it all and I wondered why God seemed to give me only good looks. :-) |
| 04:19.36 | dmoffett | That is for those who have. :-) |
| 04:20.13 | muthu | gambler: were you at IO? |
| 04:20.31 | ulmen | there was/is a hacked version of I Am Rich for jailbroken iphones ... no comment on the people who need such an app =) |
| 04:21.07 | gambler | muthu, no was it good? I barely leave my office these days. Im going stir crazy from coding 24/7 |
| 04:21.35 | muthu | it was good just meeting people |
| 04:21.51 | muthu | gambler: very hard to get into the 24/7 mode |
| 04:21.55 | gambler | maybe I will go to the next one. I want to meet jasta |
| 04:21.58 | muthu | i'm stuck with code block these days |
| 04:22.08 | muthu | oh yeah, jasta |
| 04:22.20 | dmoffett | Jasta has promised to kick my ass when he sees me again. |
| 04:22.22 | muthu | we were all waiting for him, and then he arrived! |
| 04:22.35 | gambler | :p |
| 04:22.38 | gambler | and what happened |
| 04:22.39 | muthu | dmoffett: he does that to everyone |
| 04:22.54 | muthu | is he on vacation? |
| 04:23.05 | dmoffett | damn and I felt special. |
| 04:23.05 | muthu | no fun, without him ;) |
| 04:23.20 | gambler | either that or he died |
| 04:23.33 | muthu | haha |
| 04:23.51 | dmoffett | He is obviously smart but may need work on delivery. |
| 04:24.15 | gambler | your typical "Im so smart" geek |
| 04:24.59 | muthu | he's a smart fella |
| 04:24.59 | gambler | who has been divorced and has a lesbian mother |
| 04:25.13 | muthu | that's not true |
| 04:25.26 | gambler | thats what he told me |
| 04:26.22 | gambler | so who from the channel was at the last IO? |
| 04:26.52 | dmoffett | I was there and Muthu was there. |
| 04:27.23 | muthu | a lot of them were there |
| 04:27.35 | muthu | except for romainguy |
| 04:28.37 | gambler | muthu, did you fly over just for it or was this part of your contest win |
| 04:28.58 | muthu | part of the victory, and i wanted to visit SF |
| 04:29.07 | muthu | and meet my team etc., |
| 04:29.34 | gambler | how did you meet your team originally? |
| 04:29.51 | muthu | ahhhhhh |
| 04:30.00 | muthu | its been joy and pain |
| 04:30.20 | muthu | now i'm starting all over |
| 04:31.07 | gambler | I understand |
| 04:31.13 | dmoffett | Starting all over again with out any idea of the ground rules for ADC II. :-( |
| 04:31.25 | muthu | haha |
| 04:31.40 | gambler | same thing more money more honey I bet |
| 04:31.53 | muthu | atleast the market will be true |
| 04:32.05 | muthu | the painful part is people keep asking about the app that won |
| 04:32.07 | dmoffett | Maybe they will divide the other 5M up differently. |
| 04:32.20 | muthu | and i don't have a clue |
| 04:32.35 | gambler | dmoffett, what are you working on - did you field an app? |
| 04:32.37 | dmoffett | Muthu == Cooking Capsules until you win ADC II. :-) |
| 04:32.45 | muthu | yup |
| 04:32.56 | muthu | need to get out of that image |
| 04:32.57 | muthu | lol |
| 04:33.17 | dmoffett | gambler: I entered a location based real estate search program. |
| 04:33.25 | dmoffett | I did not win though. |
| 04:33.40 | gambler | lol considering the state of the U.S. market |
| 04:33.43 | gambler | but a great idea nonetheless |
| 04:33.50 | muthu | yeah, bad timing |
| 04:33.52 | dmoffett | Good Point. |
| 04:33.55 | muthu | but a great idea |
| 04:34.05 | dmoffett | Don't think that is why it did not win though. |
| 04:34.22 | dmoffett | It was a bit rough around the edges. :-) |
| 04:34.47 | gambler | in australia there is one website that makes pretty sick money doing listings...realestate.com.au |
| 04:34.59 | gambler | pretty weak imo...slow and buggy |
| 04:35.24 | dmoffett | I think that might be related to realestate.com in the US. |
| 04:36.14 | dmoffett | maybe not |
| 05:15.08 | plusminus_ | gn8 |
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| 05:20.52 | dmoffett | Romainguy: Do you have any recommendations for making UIs work well in portrait and landscape? Can't seem to find much discussion on the subject. |
| 05:21.40 | romainguy | there's no specific recommendation |
| 05:21.46 | romainguy | just use layout-land/ and layout-port/ |
| 05:21.53 | romainguy | and drawable-land/ and drawable-port/ |
| 05:23.31 | dmoffett | thank you. |
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| 12:29.17 | buster` | hi guys |
| 12:30.14 | buster` | i didnt find anything, but is there some sign of google gears for android? |
| 12:35.15 | buster` | mh, i guess it doesnt. until chrome for android is done. |
| 12:35.54 | buster` | next question: is there a way to access some phone related stuff from the webbrowser (files, contacts, whatever)? :o |
| 12:49.28 | ulmen | i'm not the big expert, but i'd say: not with the com.android.browser, but possible with a custom app using android.webkit.WebViewClient (or even WebView?!) |
| 12:51.02 | buster` | mh, yeah i thought so. i was asked by some guys at my company, so i am researching |
| 12:51.42 | buster` | they said that it's possible on the iphone to have some access to stuff. havent been specific though. i guess they mean files, location, contacts |
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| 12:52.04 | ulmen | would be a pretty bad feature to expose such data in the default browser |
| 12:52.17 | buster` | only on user interaction they said |
| 12:52.26 | ulmen | i think on the iphone it also works through some special mechanism |
| 12:52.49 | buster` | i was wondering how, because.. well.. it's no html or js-standard.. but well |
| 12:55.25 | ulmen | the people wo really know it have propably signed this stupid nda to get the iphone sdk, so they can't talk about it =D |
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| 13:15.31 | buster` | mh |
| 13:15.35 | buster` | thats disappointing |
| 13:16.12 | buster` | i just checked with the standard browser in 0.9 and i cant even upload something, every button to search files with says "upload disabled" |
| 13:16.22 | buster` | :/ |
| 13:16.41 | buster` | i atleast expected to choose from some photos i have made |
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| 13:21.01 | ulmen | buster`: but there is gears 0.4.8.0 in the browser apparently |
| 13:21.29 | ulmen | and i'd guess the upload diabled is nothing that will be in the final |
| 13:21.57 | buster` | i just checked on an iphone from a colleague. its the same there |
| 13:22.22 | buster` | no file dialog allowed in the browser. quite disppointing if you want to upload a photo to your blog, i'd say |
| 13:22.40 | buster` | but thanks, with the gears thing. dou you have a reference? the docs dont mention gears at all |
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| 13:27.08 | ulmen | open the browser, menu, more, settings at the very bottom |
| 13:27.22 | ulmen | but does not seem to work |
| 13:28.21 | buster` | and finally.. what are those widgets/icons in the homescreen called? i was asked if its possible to update the icon from external events (internet calls, whatever) |
| 13:28.36 | buster` | i think so, but i wanted to have some docs i can refer to |
| 13:28.41 | buster` | and thanks.. nice.. so gears is built in :) |
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| 13:33.51 | ulmen | i don't think you can update the activity icon from within code |
| 13:34.12 | ulmen | and custom widgets is also not possible atm afaik |
| 13:34.25 | ulmen | custom widgets on the home screen |
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| 13:51.05 | buster` | yeah... somewhere was mentioned that the custom widget API will be released in future |
| 13:57.42 | buster` | mh.. PackageManager does have public abstract Drawable getApplicationIcon(ApplicationInfo info)... would drawing in the returned drawable also update the icon in the homescreen? :o |
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| 14:05.24 | zhobbs | buster`: shortcuts can be created on the homescreen |
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| 14:27.30 | plb_ | wondering is it possible to install andoid on a nokia e71? |
| 14:27.38 | zhobbs | plb_: not yet |
| 14:28.25 | plb_ | ah pity...hopefully someone soon will figure out a way to do it |
| 14:28.42 | zhobbs | plb_: the source for android isn't out, so porting isn't happenin yet |
| 14:28.59 | plb_ | when's it come out? |
| 14:29.07 | zhobbs | whenever the phones come out |
| 14:29.29 | ulmen | porting is happening, the kernel patch is avaliable |
| 14:29.34 | plb_ | I'm not quite sure what you mean? |
| 14:30.12 | zhobbs | ulmen: but the framework and java vm source isn't available, so will only work natively on a specific arm arch |
| 14:30.28 | plb_ | so how does it all work...you will be able to install android to any phone provided it's ported to it? |
| 14:30.29 | ulmen | zhobbs: which is enough for some devices =) |
| 14:30.42 | zhobbs | yep |
| 14:30.43 | plb_ | I believe the e71 has the hardware specs |
| 14:31.08 | plb_ | hm neat |
| 14:31.37 | plb_ | so was android really on that n95...I think I saw a video of it |
| 14:31.41 | zhobbs | plb_: if you can get linux to run on the phone then odds are good you can get android on it (after source is out)... |
| 14:31.42 | plb_ | sometime ago |
| 14:32.01 | ulmen | i think the problem with this one is more like there is no linux "ported" to it at all ... the best kernel is useless without good knowledge of the bootloader and flash-process |
| 14:32.24 | plb_ | well they got linux running on ipods and such lol |
| 14:33.43 | plb_ | so how does it work for like that htc dream...will the source be released for that phone? |
| 14:33.51 | plb_ | and phones locked to providers |
| 14:34.44 | plb_ | hm ok e71 runs arm11 processor at 369mhz |
| 14:35.02 | zhobbs | the source will be released for the whole android platform, and the source is already released for the gpl projects |
| 14:35.30 | zhobbs | released source: http://code.google.com/p/android/downloads/list |
| 14:36.05 | plb_ | nice |
| 14:44.27 | plb_ | so the process of loading andoid on a phone is somewhat similar to rockbox on the ipod? |
| 14:45.32 | plb_ | replacing the firmware so to speak |
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| 14:49.39 | ulmen | just talk about linux, getting a vanilla linux kernel to boot is a very big first step to archieve |
| 14:49.59 | ulmen | you would have to find out how the bootloader on this device works, where it loads things etc .. |
| 14:50.23 | ulmen | thex you would have to find out how to write to the flash |
| 14:51.06 | ulmen | there is probably some more work at this point i'm not aware of |
| 14:51.21 | plb_ | interesting |
| 14:52.22 | plb_ | so when does the whole source get released? |
| 14:52.53 | ulmen | once linux boots, you still don't have a framebuffer or anything working (if there is not already some driver for the hardware developed) |
| 14:53.25 | plb_ | so you make calls from a terminal or something lol |
| 14:53.58 | ulmen | common belief is when the first handset gets released |
| 14:54.23 | plb_ | Yeah, I suppose that would make sense |
| 14:54.36 | ulmen | and a very very vague rumor said this happens on sept 23 |
| 14:54.44 | plb_ | ya, I heard that |
| 14:54.55 | plb_ | when tmo announces the dream |
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| 14:58.16 | plb_ | hm so how can it can be locked to tmobile? |
| 15:00.16 | ulmen | the firmware running on the gsm-processor is responsible for that i'd guess |
| 15:00.29 | ulmen | and this is probably not open-source |
| 15:00.34 | plb_ | ah |
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| 16:36.33 | Adamant | plb_: standard procedure for smartphones where you can load compiled source is to have an auxiliary processor like a small ARM7 that controls critical phone functions they don't want open to modification.. IIRC this is what was done with the Greenphone |
| 16:37.06 | Adamant | obviously they don't open source what the ARM7 is running. |
| 16:41.57 | zhobbs | how could I do a "ripple" effect on an image? not animation, just a one time effect |
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| 17:28.22 | kingkung | hello |
| 17:28.56 | kingkung | i was wondering |
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| 17:29.21 | kingkung | what does android do differently on first launch of an app and every subsequent launch? |
| 17:29.35 | kingkung | it seems like database queries are cached |
| 17:30.05 | kingkung | etc. |
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| 17:34.53 | zhobbs | kingkung: db queries aren't cached |
| 17:35.20 | zhobbs | kingkung: if you hit "back" to exit the app it terminates the app, if you hit "home" then it just pauses the app (minimizes) |
| 17:36.59 | zhobbs | kingkung: read up on activity lifecycle: http://code.google.com/android/reference/android/app/Activity.html |
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| 18:07.59 | kingkung | yes |
| 18:08.14 | kingkung | my application calls create/start/resume when it starts up |
| 18:08.22 | kingkung | and pause/stop/destroy when it exits |
| 18:08.38 | kingkung | when i start it up again, i get different logging than the first time i installed+launched |
| 18:08.54 | zhobbs | kingkung: what do you get? |
| 18:08.57 | kingkung | all of the logging i had in my database classes are gone |
| 18:09.05 | kingkung | and the app starts in much less time |
| 18:09.29 | zhobbs | are you getting create/start/resume? |
| 18:09.33 | kingkung | yep |
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| 18:17.11 | kingkung | hey, does anyone know if i can override the Dialer interface on making a phone call? |
| 18:22.50 | amiral_ | kingkung : on real hardware ? |
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| 19:00.25 | anno^da- | romainguy_: could you tell me what getExternalStorageState() gives me back ? |
| 19:00.46 | anno^da- | Is there a method to get true or false regarding the state of the external card. (if it is available or not) |
| 19:04.58 | mikez5 | If the SD card is available, it will return Environment.MEDIA_MOUNTED (which is a string) |
| 19:06.04 | mikez5 | The other possible values are unmounted (SD card is there, but no file system is mounted), removed (SD card is missing), and "shared" (the SD card is being used for USB mass storage). |
| 19:09.48 | zhobbs | when the device is mounted for mass storage, is the whole filessytem exposed, or just sdcard? |
| 19:10.35 | zhobbs | was thinking about writing a kio plugin to access the filessytem through adb, but that's not necassary if you can just mount the whole filesystem up |
| 19:10.41 | mikez5 | USB mass storage only exposes the SD card. |
| 19:11.05 | mikez5 | Actually the first partition on the card (but usually there will only be one). |
| 19:11.15 | zhobbs | ok, thanks |
| 19:11.27 | zhobbs | so still might be worth a kio wrapper to go throuh adb |
| 19:11.42 | mikez5 | The eclipse plugin exposes the file system, but that is implemented on top of commands like "adb shell ls", "adb push", "adb pull", etc. |
| 19:11.52 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 19:12.27 | zhobbs | I'm just thinking it'd be cool to pull up a sqlite gui and browse to android:/data/... or edit a preferences file in kate, etc |
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| 19:48.11 | plusminus_ | mikez5: you are also from google, right? |
| 19:55.00 | mikez5 | Yes, I am |
| 20:03.56 | anno^da- | mikez5: thank you |
| 20:04.14 | anno^da- | I got another question which is really important for me |
| 20:05.51 | anno^da- | I'm using the Location Manager to get some location data. Everything worked fine. But after wiping the emulator and reinstalling I'm always getting an error while receiving the location data. Do I miss something? |
| 20:08.20 | anno^da- | Ok I have to push the location one time |
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| 20:44.23 | zhobbs | romainguy_: fyi, this crash always happens when starting an animation: http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/ff6e75fb273896c8# |
| 20:46.33 | zhobbs | may not be a problem with animation, might just be that animation is memory heavy and I'm hogging all the memory |
| 20:47.14 | romainguy_ | you run out of memory |
| 20:47.16 | romainguy_ | your fault :)) |
| 20:47.19 | zhobbs | hehe |
| 20:47.24 | zhobbs | yeah, figured |
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| 20:47.28 | romainguy_ | animations cache the views in bitmaps |
| 20:47.32 | romainguy_ | you can just disable the cache if you want |
| 20:47.53 | zhobbs | nah...my tab system is launching tons of different activities...need to kill them sometimes |
| 20:48.07 | zhobbs | right now I'm leaving them alive, just hiding the view |
| 20:48.13 | romainguy_ | bad idea :) |
| 20:48.19 | zhobbs | yep |
| 20:48.28 | zhobbs | I think it's what TabHost does right? |
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| 22:43.32 | kingkung | this is a stupid question |
| 22:43.35 | kingkung | but |
| 22:43.46 | kingkung | how do i retrieve the contentView of an activity?? |
| 22:44.00 | kingkung | it used to be getContentView(), right? |
| 22:44.05 | kingkung | did they take that out? |
| 22:44.42 | romainguy_ | I don't remember any getContentView() |
| 22:44.46 | romainguy_ | anyway |
| 22:44.52 | romainguy_ | just use findViewById() |
| 22:45.12 | kingkung | yup, stupid question |
| 22:45.14 | kingkung | thanks |
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