| 00:00.19 | jasta | i'm getting ready for a party tonight |
| 00:03.36 | chomchom | well then you have to get over that yawning |
| 00:03.46 | chomchom | where you going? |
| 00:04.08 | chomchom | I was at a wedding tonight. Jolly indeed. |
| 00:04.24 | chomchom | Second in two days! Pretty exhausting. |
| 00:06.04 | yakischloba | wow |
| 00:06.09 | yakischloba | two weddings in two days |
| 00:06.27 | chomchom | I know, it was pretty luck |
| 00:06.29 | chomchom | y |
| 00:06.35 | yakischloba | heh really |
| 00:06.54 | chomchom | I put it down to it being about 'that time of year' |
| 00:06.59 | chomchom | birds and bees |
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| 00:42.03 | michaelnovakjr__ | howdy Dougie187 |
| 00:48.07 | Dougie187 | Hey michaelnovakjr) |
| 00:48.11 | Dougie187 | hows it going. |
| 00:48.17 | Dougie187 | of course i missed the underscore |
| 00:48.18 | Dougie187 | .lol |
| 00:50.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 00:50.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | writing some games :) |
| 00:51.23 | Dougie187 | for android? |
| 00:51.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | na |
| 00:51.30 | Dougie187 | are you gonna make a game suite? |
| 00:51.31 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 00:51.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | xbox |
| 00:51.56 | Dougie187 | Ohh. thats cool |
| 00:52.02 | Dougie187 | have you played any of the new arcade ones? |
| 00:52.06 | michaelnovakjr__ | nope |
| 00:52.06 | Dougie187 | like geometry wars 2 |
| 00:52.10 | michaelnovakjr__ | you? |
| 00:52.18 | Dougie187 | nope. |
| 00:52.19 | Dougie187 | :( |
| 00:52.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | any of them 3D? |
| 00:52.29 | Dougie187 | my xbox live account expired like 20 days ago. |
| 00:52.32 | Dougie187 | ionno |
| 00:53.03 | Dougie187 | hey, do you know how to tunnel apt-get or synaptic downloads across socks? |
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| 00:53.31 | michaelnovakjr__ | never done it |
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| 00:54.50 | yakischloba | hey there Dougie187 hows it going |
| 00:55.44 | Dougie187 | hey yakischloba |
| 00:55.58 | Dougie187 | yeah i have to tunnel all my web crap across ssh at work or else I can't check my email |
| 00:56.14 | Dougie187 | .and i cant install programs i need at work when i find out i need it, so i wanted to see if i could tunnel apt-get or synaptic too |
| 00:56.35 | Dougie187 | there should be a way to do it, i know you can use tsocks for it. |
| 00:56.51 | yakischloba | you should be able to use ssh too |
| 00:57.12 | Dougie187 | but how do you tell it to use localhost on the port you want? |
| 00:57.17 | Dougie187 | because I use ssh for firefox. |
| 00:57.20 | yakischloba | Not sure. there must be a way though |
| 00:57.27 | Dougie187 | but i didnt know how to do it with synaptic. |
| 00:57.38 | Dougie187 | since synaptic doesnt support socks in its config. |
| 00:57.52 | yakischloba | there isnt a place to specify server address or anything? |
| 00:58.21 | Dougie187 | not for socks proxy |
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| 00:59.09 | Dougie187 | i know tsocks works, but i wanted something where i didnt have to set up some other program to do it |
| 01:01.00 | yakischloba | looks like you can specify your mirrors in /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 01:01.11 | yakischloba | or wherever it may reside in your distribution |
| 01:01.42 | yakischloba | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ch-basico.en.html |
| 01:01.50 | yakischloba | so just point it at yourself and setup your ssh |
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| 01:08.14 | Dougie187 | I wouldnt think that would work though. |
| 01:08.22 | yakischloba | why not? |
| 01:08.25 | Dougie187 | if you point it at yourself its just going to not find anything. |
| 01:08.33 | yakischloba | ssh tunnel |
| 01:08.35 | Dougie187 | becuase like here, i wouldnt have any repos set up. |
| 01:08.57 | Dougie187 | but i just want it to point all the traffic to localhost:2200 for example. |
| 01:09.03 | Dougie187 | not look for the repos at localhost:2200 |
| 01:09.20 | yakischloba | your ssh tunnel will forward traffic to a repo |
| 01:09.27 | Dougie187 | because i still want it to download stuff from ubuntu.com or what ever. |
| 01:09.53 | Dougie187 | afaik it doesnt work like that though. Like apt-get isnt going to just randomly find a mirror if i point all the mirrors to localhost. |
| 01:10.08 | Dougie187 | you know what i mean? |
| 01:10.17 | yakischloba | No. Do you know what I mean? ;) |
| 01:10.26 | yakischloba | i thought you said you were already using an ssh tunnel |
| 01:10.41 | Dougie187 | yeah i have an ssh tunnel, and socks working with firefox. |
| 01:10.49 | yakischloba | so how do you use your ssh tunnel |
| 01:10.59 | Dougie187 | one sec lemme get an example of how i think you mean. |
| 01:11.01 | yakischloba | ok |
| 01:11.05 | Dougie187 | but the way i work right now is i do... |
| 01:11.19 | Dougie187 | ssh -CD 2200 uname@server |
| 01:11.42 | Dougie187 | then in firefox i go into Preferences->Adavanced->neworking and set Socksv5 to Localhost:2200 |
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| 01:12.17 | yakischloba | Ohhhh weird. |
| 01:12.19 | Dougie187 | ok, now if i understand what you mean. here is an example of my current sources.list file. |
| 01:12.21 | Dougie187 | deb http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted |
| 01:12.28 | Dougie187 | you want me to change this to... |
| 01:12.31 | yakischloba | I didn't know that SSH would act as SOCKS |
| 01:12.34 | Dougie187 | deb http://localhost/ubuntu/ hardy-updates main restricted |
| 01:12.44 | Dougie187 | yeah it built into ssh. |
| 01:12.50 | yakischloba | there is generic tunneling for any tcp port you want |
| 01:12.58 | yakischloba | yeah so change it to that |
| 01:12.59 | yakischloba | then use |
| 01:13.38 | yakischloba | ssh -L 80:us.archive.ubuntu.com:80 uname@server |
| 01:13.42 | yakischloba | that forwards local port 80 to ubuntu port 80 |
| 01:14.05 | yakischloba | through the remote SSH machine |
| 01:14.12 | Dougie187 | ok, but couldnt i just do ssh -L 80:localhost:80? |
| 01:14.30 | yakischloba | That fowards local port 80 to port 80 on the remote SSH machine |
| 01:15.00 | Dougie187 | how can i forward all port 80 traffic on local machine to port 2200 on local machine? |
| 01:15.33 | yakischloba | with something other than SSH |
| 01:15.38 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 01:15.52 | Dougie187 | i just dont want to have to mess up my sources.list file. |
| 01:15.56 | yakischloba | yeah |
| 01:16.04 | Dougie187 | because then when ever i want to install something i have to use ssh |
| 01:16.13 | yakischloba | so you are taking your laptop to work or something eh |
| 01:16.18 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 01:16.21 | yakischloba | gotcha |
| 01:16.31 | Dougie187 | i take my laptop to work, and hardline it so i can ssh to my school server. |
| 01:16.58 | yakischloba | oh |
| 01:17.04 | yakischloba | i think it uses the env variables |
| 01:17.29 | yakischloba | export HTTP_PROXY="127.0.0.1:2200" |
| 01:17.32 | yakischloba | try something like that |
| 01:17.36 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 01:18.21 | Dougie187 | I'll have to test it at work. |
| 01:18.30 | Dougie187 | but yeah the socks proxy thing works great. |
| 01:18.38 | yakischloba | http_proxy might be lower case btw |
| 01:18.43 | yakischloba | err |
| 01:18.52 | yakischloba | and it has to be http://host:port |
| 01:19.07 | Dougie187 | also firefox has a setting to route dns lookups to the remote host. |
| 01:19.14 | yakischloba | yeah I've been using ssh tunneling for a long time, I had no idea it could be SOCKS |
| 01:21.22 | Dougie187 | yeah. |
| 01:22.00 | Dougie187 | its pretty sweet |
| 01:22.08 | yakischloba | yeah thats convenient |
| 01:22.29 | Dougie187 | makes me able to actually do productive things at work. |
| 01:22.30 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 01:22.35 | yakischloba | haha |
| 01:23.57 | Dougie187 | instead of staring at a wall i can get papers and stuf |
| 01:23.58 | Dougie187 | stuff* |
| 01:24.01 | Dougie187 | and check my email. |
| 01:29.24 | yakischloba | yeah |
| 01:29.37 | yakischloba | so have you started an app yet? |
| 01:31.47 | Dougie187 | nope. |
| 01:31.58 | Dougie187 | but i have my idea still. lol |
| 01:32.02 | Dougie187 | but thats it. |
| 01:32.27 | Dougie187 | i guess i could work on it at work, but its a bit harder to learn stuff there. |
| 01:33.02 | yakischloba | gotta do it somewhere :) |
| 01:35.30 | Dougie187 | true. |
| 01:37.24 | michaelnovakjr__ | Dougie187: you gotta renew your Xbox account |
| 01:37.31 | Dougie187 | yeah i know |
| 01:37.43 | Dougie187 | you been playing a lot more lately? |
| 01:37.53 | yakischloba | what game do you nerds play? ;) |
| 01:37.54 | michaelnovakjr__ | i've been playing GTA IV |
| 01:37.59 | Dougie187 | how is that? |
| 01:38.02 | michaelnovakjr__ | awesome |
| 01:38.03 | Dougie187 | lol we use to play halo 3. |
| 01:38.10 | yakischloba | oic |
| 01:38.10 | Dougie187 | is it good online? |
| 01:38.13 | michaelnovakjr__ | and call of duty 4 |
| 01:38.21 | michaelnovakjr__ | Dougie187: its pretty cool |
| 01:38.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | the single player is sweet, i enjoyed it |
| 01:38.51 | Dougie187 | have you played the other 3? |
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| 02:08.44 | Razec | PHELPS medalha de ouro |
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| 04:08.27 | muthu | is there a gridbaglayout? |
| 04:18.25 | muthu | what the heck is that handball about? |
| 04:18.31 | yakischloba | ? |
| 04:18.33 | muthu | is that a game, srly? |
| 04:18.48 | muthu | olympics sports are funny! |
| 04:18.53 | yakischloba | haha |
| 04:19.41 | muthu | and its way more funny listening to indian commentators talking about indian chances for a medal!! |
| 04:20.18 | muthu | china will top the gold this time |
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| 06:33.16 | muthu | the cuban boxers are good.. what a technique! |
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| 10:01.48 | jasta | yawn |
| 10:01.51 | jasta | woo |
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| 10:13.06 | anno^da_ | jasta: Good morning. I got a small question. Is it normal that the HttpClient takes a long time (20 seconds) to open his first connection. After that everything runs without any delay. But the first connection takes such a long time. Or is it just because the whole thing is emulated. |
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| 10:44.33 | tric | anno: maybe its resolving a hostname? |
| 10:48.59 | anno^da_ | that could be I have to check that. But ok I cant do sth. against it. |
| 10:50.15 | tric | using ip only for debugging ;) |
| 10:50.23 | tric | or speedup your nameserver |
| 10:50.45 | romainguy | cell phones usually have high latency data connections |
| 10:51.01 | romainguy | I don't know if our emulator emulates that but I would not be surprised it's *part* of your "problem" |
| 10:51.08 | romainguy | check the emulator options and see if they help |
| 10:54.26 | anno^da_ | Thanks guys. I will do it now using ip only. |
| 10:55.17 | anno^da_ | But well using URLConnections works without delay. And I have to resolve the host name here as well. |
| 10:56.57 | romainguy | that's strange :( |
| 10:58.59 | anno^da_ | Hmm that's strange. I'm using the HttpClient to open some connection to the Flickr API. After that I'm using a new instance for the connection to the Twitter API. Flickr takes 20 secs. Twitter connect is instantly. BUT I can change the order and get the same result. |
| 10:59.31 | anno^da_ | So it cant be one special service that is so slow. |
| 11:03.34 | tric | yeah, would be cool if all sources included, you could nicley debug... |
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| 11:04.02 | anno^da_ | hmm well yeah |
| 11:04.35 | anno^da_ | Using the IP results in the same problems :/ |
| 11:08.56 | anno^da_ | Wireshark shows me the same result. It takes 20 seconds and after that the communications starts |
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| 13:10.33 | tomgibara | anno^da_: This delay in making the first connection is a known issue |
| 13:10.44 | tomgibara | anno^da_: http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=525 |
| 13:12.09 | anno^da_ | tomgibara: thank you for your response. |
| 13:12.25 | anno^da_ | So I cant leave the code as is and just wait for a new SDK. :) |
| 13:12.35 | anno^da_ | can leave |
| 13:12.36 | anno^da_ | :) |
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| 14:02.13 | Dougie187 | good morning |
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| 15:52.58 | yakischloba | morning |
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| 17:07.19 | anno^da_ | romainguy: we found the problem with the httpclient it is a known issue. http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=525 |
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| 17:42.11 | anno^da_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyceYJRUtE |
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| 18:21.44 | jasta | anno^da_: this bug is caused by the SSLSocektFactory initializing |
| 18:22.14 | jasta | it can be worked around by creating your own scheme registry and excluding https |
| 18:23.18 | jasta | it's quite clear if you break the blocking thread |
| 18:24.36 | jasta | when i saw the bug, i recall saying "jesus, didn't anyone at Google test this?" |
| 18:27.59 | jasta | i gotta get ready for hiking with my dad |
| 18:28.06 | jasta | i'm a little hungover ;) |
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| 18:39.05 | michaelnovakjr__ | howdy |
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| 19:04.30 | anno^da_ | thanks jasta |
| 19:04.34 | anno^da_ | for the info |
| 19:10.47 | romainguy | jasta: when i saw the bug, i recall saying "jesus, didn't anyone at Google test this?" << no, we don't test anything |
| 19:11.10 | jasta | and that was romain's original response, too. |
| 19:11.36 | anno^da_ | :D |
| 19:11.37 | jasta | despite this being nonsense because google offered up no known bugs section as most software with such outstanding bugs would do. |
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| 19:12.29 | romainguy | jasta: we wouldn't know since we don't test anything |
| 19:13.04 | anno^da_ | how much effort is it to write an own scheme registry ? (take in consideration that I'm quite a noob :) ) I have found the SchemeRegistry class but well thats it :D |
| 19:13.51 | anno^da_ | lol the HTC Dream made it to Engadet |
| 19:13.54 | anno^da_ | http://www.engadget.com/2008/08/10/htc-dream-or-just-some-reference-design-shown-off-on-video/ |
| 19:15.20 | tomgibara | anno^da_: you'll find an example in jasta's CancelHttpGet example |
| 19:15.38 | anno^da_ | ah I will look at it |
| 19:15.42 | anno^da_ | thanks! |
| 19:15.46 | tomgibara | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=785 |
| 19:16.28 | tomgibara | anno^da_: (a well-stocked issue tracker is your friend) |
| 19:16.36 | anno^da_ | :) |
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| 19:24.23 | anno^da_ | tomgibara: thanks now it is working just fine :) |
| 19:25.05 | tomgibara | anno^da_: great, what is "it"? |
| 19:27.23 | anno^da_ | ah just some app for posting text,videos, photos etc on Tumblr. But saving the pictures at flickr, videos at vimeo and advertise the posts at twitter. And combining the whole posts with geo data. Just some test app playing with different APIs |
| 19:29.28 | anno^da_ | But well the UI is missing at the moment. And I'm trying to add it at the moment. :D (the stuff in the background works fine now and now without delay of the faulty HTTP Client |
| 19:30.41 | tomgibara | anno^da_: Apart from the occasional bug, I've found Android to be very rapid to develop with - both for connecting to webservices and creating UIs. |
| 19:31.45 | tomgibara | Though I feel that I really need a phone to test on because I'm bound to have errors of judgement in bandwidth/latency on one side and touch/flow on the other. |
| 19:32.51 | anno^da_ | Well if I take in consideration that I havent done much programming till this little app it is definetly great. It took me 5 days to implement the whole stuff connecting to twitter,flickr,tumblr and integrating their APIs. And it is just fun. Even if jasta sometimes cries to god what dumb questions I'm asking. :D (I know that and I'm sorry for that :) ) |
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| 20:57.31 | zhobbs | wonder who leaked this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCyceYJRUtE |
| 20:59.17 | michaelnovakjr__ | is that a homebrew OS? |
| 20:59.26 | zhobbs | looks like android to me |
| 20:59.31 | yakischloba | kind of?.. |
| 20:59.55 | yakischloba | hard to see really |
| 21:01.12 | michaelnovakjr__ | doesn't look like android to me |
| 21:01.40 | yakischloba | me either |
| 21:03.09 | tomgibara | The list dialogues you see towards the end of the video look like those of Android - to me at least |
| 21:04.03 | yakischloba | it looks like hes selecting programs or something from the window with a bunch of icons, but that doesnt look like the android home screen at all |
| 21:04.37 | tomgibara | How not? It looks fairly consistent with what I saw from Google IO |
| 21:04.52 | tomgibara | It also looks like Romain's landscape photography. |
| 21:04.57 | yakischloba | lol |
| 21:05.00 | yakischloba | telltale sign ;) |
| 21:05.28 | yakischloba | all I see on the desktop is one icon |
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| 21:05.31 | tomgibara | a signature android feature to-date |
| 21:06.34 | tomgibara | From memory, the demo at IO showed a desktop-like screen that was accessible by sliding the home screen horizontally. |
| 21:07.15 | zhobbs | hard to tell |
| 21:07.17 | yakischloba | I guess I haven't actually seen a device implementation other than a few random videos. i'm just looking at it from my experience in the emulator |
| 21:07.38 | tomgibara | My memory might be failing me, but if I'm right, the desktop metaphor demonstrated in the video adds credence to the suggestion that it's android. |
| 21:08.19 | tomgibara | I'm not particularly bothered one way or another - I don't think it tells me much. |
| 21:08.43 | zhobbs | tomgibara: yeah, looks like android to me...we'd know for sure if he wasn't moving the camera around so much |
| 21:08.47 | yakischloba | yeah. honestly I could care less until theres an android device in my hand. |
| 21:09.39 | tomgibara | You can see the status bar at the top - it looks like android's |
| 21:09.47 | yakischloba | that it does |
| 21:09.56 | tomgibara | and the screen rotation semantics look consistent w/ the SDK too |
| 21:10.31 | tomgibara | semantics is a useless word there, I meant mechanics |
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| 21:12.17 | tomgibara | zhobbs: I've never tried filming one phone w/ another and given that he might have been hiding in a store cupoard to film it, I think it's hard to criticize |
| 21:14.03 | tomgibara | Anyway, I find the duplicity of people who leak things like this distasteful. I'd prefer it if the video hadn't been published. |
| 21:14.45 | yakischloba | why |
| 21:17.12 | f00f- | video is garbage |
| 21:17.19 | tomgibara | When I work for a company, there is a mutuality (usually explicit or perhaps implied) in that agreement. Leaking information against the wishes of the company is a betrayal. |
| 21:18.18 | f00f- | yeah |
| 21:18.22 | f00f- | doesnt stop people though |
| 21:18.49 | yakischloba | Agreed, and I abide by the same idea. there are however, worse evils in the world. When was the last time a hot product came out without having some grainy video leaked on youtube first? |
| 21:21.06 | f00f- | 10 years ago, probably |
| 21:21.19 | tomgibara | I don't care about the magnitude. This person (assuming they aren't making a prank, which is a different thing) made a personal decision to do wrong against the company that employs him and by extension, in my opinion, his colleagues. It's that I find distasteful. |
| 21:21.51 | tomgibara | Whether it's materially damaging is a separate question. |
| 21:22.15 | f00f- | correct |
| 21:22.32 | yakischloba | it certainly is distasteful. |
| 21:23.41 | f00f- | i'd fire the guy |
| 21:23.51 | yakischloba | of course |
| 21:24.34 | tomgibara | I would find out the facts and base my actions on all the circumstances. But I would certainly view it very harshly |
| 21:25.03 | yakischloba | What would be a circumstance that wouldn't merit firing the person? |
| 21:25.13 | anno^da_ | But no matter if it is wrong or right to leak that device. I dont thinkt that this will be the final design of the device. |
| 21:25.57 | tomgibara | If say, the person was having mental health problems or if they had been put up to it by a more dominant member of staff who could use them as the fall-guy. |
| 21:26.30 | tomgibara | On the other side, were there other factors such as renumeration, that might make it criminal. |
| 21:26.49 | yakischloba | IMO if the person has mental health problems to the point of losing their judgement like that, they shouldn't have been working for me anyways |
| 21:26.56 | f00f- | too much speculation |
| 21:27.59 | tomgibara | f00f-: I'm not speculating, I'm engaging in a discussion about a hypothetical circumstance. |
| 21:28.11 | yakischloba | yeah I was just curious |
| 21:28.23 | f00f- | dont discuss too much until you know the facts ! |
| 21:28.32 | f00f- | we cant jump to conclusions |
| 21:28.35 | yakischloba | f00f-: We obviously aren't talking about the guy who leaked it. |
| 21:28.36 | f00f- | innnocent >> guilty, etc. |
| 21:28.41 | f00f- | who are you talking about |
| 21:29.00 | yakischloba | a hypothetical employee who leaks product information |
| 21:29.05 | tomgibara | yakischolba: I'm not the sort of person who would just fire someone because they were having health problems - also the law might have something to say about it. |
| 21:30.36 | tomgibara | yakischolba: None of this detracts from our shared opinion that it's an extremely serious breach - and only comensurately serious circumstances could justify it. |
| 21:31.57 | yakischloba | tomgibara: of course. I guess if someone's bizarre mental health issues compelled them to leak product information and then return to normal I would at the very least demote them to a position where they are not exposed to any private info |
| 21:32.09 | tomgibara | yakischolba: (I only meant to imply that the first part was our shared opinion, run-on sentences are so easy in IRC) |
| 21:32.20 | anno^da_ | f00f-: What are we doing in the last months except speculating :) ? |
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| 21:32.48 | tomgibara | yakischolba: agreed |
| 21:33.13 | yakischloba | anno^da_: some of us don't have to speculate as much as others, as a portion of the blanks are filled in |
| 21:33.16 | tomgibara | yakischolba: One always has to consider one's reponsibility to employees and shareholders too. |
| 21:33.44 | yakischloba | yeah |
| 21:33.50 | tomgibara | *other employees |
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| 21:35.14 | anno^da_ | yakischloba: true. But the most time we are speculating because there is nothing really new since hmm march..may? |
| 21:36.19 | yakischloba | anno^da_: i try not to speculate. there are too many unknowns in this world to spend time thinking about ;) |
| 21:37.20 | yakischloba | i just work with what I have and if I can get some hints that might save me time i'm happy to hear them |
| 21:40.49 | tomgibara | I really don't care about the video, but I love puzzles: I reckon the photo is of Death Valley. |
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