| 00:00.07 | jasta | quiet :) |
| 00:00.07 | duey | you need a mac? |
| 00:00.31 | jasta | TSchultz55: perhaps android will still delight us all, but again, i strongly recommend that you suspend your interest until the project moves forward. |
| 00:01.10 | TSchultz55 | yeah I'm actually no where near a mobile software developer |
| 00:01.34 | TSchultz55 | I mostly focus on data portability/semantic web applications |
| 00:02.30 | TSchultz55 | but I had a pretty sweet idea for Android....but it requires a lot of ugly low-level hacking that I can't get quite right |
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| 00:03.01 | jasta | what is it? |
| 00:03.02 | jasta | hey San ;) |
| 00:03.11 | SanMehat | hey jasta |
| 00:03.14 | jasta | SanMehat: so i hear heat is your neighbor? :) |
| 00:03.20 | TSchultz55 | ahhh can't tell can't tell |
| 00:03.24 | SanMehat | hahaha |
| 00:03.50 | TSchultz55 | jasta: i guess i'm being exactly what I claim to hate right now |
| 00:03.56 | SanMehat | yeah heats my neighbor |
| 00:04.05 | TSchultz55 | but when/if it gets completed I'll certainly share |
| 00:04.29 | jasta | i've never met him in person. is he as insufferable as i imagine? *grin* |
| 00:04.35 | SanMehat | who heat? |
| 00:04.41 | jasta | hehe yeah, but i was joking |
| 00:04.43 | SanMehat | nah he's a good guy :) |
| 00:05.18 | jasta | his name's Dmitri, right? i can't quite remember. |
| 00:08.52 | jasta | ok fine, i'll just try harder to remember :) |
| 00:08.56 | jasta | anyway, going home. later folks. |
| 00:09.08 | jasta | AttractiveApe: i will get the downoader app built tonight at least. |
| 00:09.28 | AttractiveApe | nn jasta |
| 00:09.30 | AttractiveApe | enjoy :) |
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| 01:15.25 | CVirus | I used a rotary-dial phone before at my grand ma's |
| 01:16.45 | TSchultz55 | yeah i'm currently devising an Android hack that would let you dial with a rotary-dial device |
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| 01:23.12 | CVirus | I'm boycotting android anyways :-p |
| 01:23.54 | gambler | jasta has infected this channel with his negativity...hopefully some good comes of it and a new SDK drops |
| 01:24.15 | duey | are you new here? |
| 01:24.32 | TSchultz55 | CVirus: i am too |
| 01:24.33 | gambler | ive been lurking for about 4 months |
| 01:24.53 | TSchultz55 | gambler: a new SDK would be like christmas for me |
| 01:27.16 | gambler | itd be nice...the way im developing it doesnt matter, i can port my apps to openmoko or meh Windows Mobile if necessary |
| 01:27.23 | gambler | but i dont ahve much gui to do |
| 01:33.09 | TSchultz55 | dude i know this sounds horrible |
| 01:33.11 | TSchultz55 | but |
| 01:33.15 | TSchultz55 | i may get an iphone |
| 01:34.05 | TSchultz55 | i can't hold out much longer with my current phone, and with no communication about where android is going, i dont feel like waiting |
| 01:34.58 | romainguy_ | TSchultz55: just wait a little longer |
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| 01:36.28 | TSchultz55 | romainguy_: my current cell phone had an unfortunate run-in with a glass of scotch |
| 01:36.34 | TSchultz55 | so it's hurting right now |
| 01:37.31 | yakischloba | At least it wasn't a toilet. |
| 01:37.47 | TSchultz55 | ah true |
| 01:38.53 | jasta | gambler: infect? do you feel that my attitude and opinions are unpopular? |
| 01:39.32 | TSchultz55 | i took it as a joke |
| 01:39.49 | jasta | i didn't. |
| 01:40.19 | jasta | and i'd be happy to defend my position, being that I am significantly affected by the current situation. |
| 01:41.02 | TSchultz55 | nah i'm with you dude |
| 01:42.43 | yakischloba | Anyone who can't take the best and ignore the worst of whats said is a tard and hopefully their 'infected' opinion won't matter |
| 01:43.36 | TSchultz55 | ? |
| 01:44.15 | yakischloba | read: let people rant if they want. |
| 01:47.24 | yakischloba | as tense as it might feel sometimes, it's good that some degree of accountability is being demanded |
| 01:48.11 | TSchultz55 | yeah i agree |
| 01:48.28 | TSchultz55 | i mean if we could at least have a changelog or something |
| 01:48.56 | yakischloba | and I'm glad that someone is stubborn and pissed enough to keep hounding about it |
| 01:49.02 | yakischloba | everyone else seems to have let it fall by the wayside |
| 01:49.27 | haavi | that's not true |
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| 01:52.21 | yakischloba | I don't frequently see other people being vocal about it. Obviously I'm not here all the time and I'm not very involved but...Sometimes anything short of kicking and screaming is not enough. |
| 01:53.37 | gambler | the whole open-platform phone thing makes too much sense....phones are headed to become commodity electronics like computers and TVs |
| 01:53.56 | gambler | so if u get an iphone you probably will only have it for awhile as a stop gap TSchultz55 |
| 01:54.09 | gambler | not that theres anything wrong with it |
| 01:55.24 | TSchultz55 | my whole thing is |
| 01:55.50 | TSchultz55 | whatever I do NOW may be completely useless in the future |
| 01:56.02 | TSchultz55 | when a new release DOES come out |
| 01:56.49 | gambler | yah i get it...that is pretty gay but i assume most of the breakages will be pretty tiny |
| 01:57.04 | TSchultz55 | not eventhat tho |
| 01:57.29 | TSchultz55 | i'm currently working on a few "work arounds" to get some low-level features working |
| 01:57.45 | TSchultz55 | these "work arounds" may already be resolved in a release I've never seen |
| 01:58.05 | gambler | what do they do |
| 01:58.50 | TSchultz55 | they dont do ANYTHING yet ;) |
| 01:58.53 | TSchultz55 | doesnt work |
| 01:58.57 | TSchultz55 | getting there |
| 01:58.59 | gambler | well that plusminus guy posted a petition... |
| 01:59.04 | TSchultz55 | where |
| 02:00.16 | gambler | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:03.15 | TSchultz55 | interesting |
| 02:07.50 | haavi | bah, just keep coding.. good things take time |
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| 02:50.41 | dmoffett | Hello Muthu |
| 02:50.46 | dmoffett | How is home? |
| 02:50.52 | muthu | dmoffett: yes, back home :) |
| 02:50.58 | muthu | how are things? |
| 02:51.10 | dmoffett | busy and you? |
| 02:51.27 | dmoffett | Good to see the family again I am sure. |
| 02:51.36 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 02:51.46 | muthu | it was great |
| 02:51.48 | dmoffett | Get some real food as well. :-) |
| 02:51.53 | muthu | haha |
| 02:52.10 | muthu | i like different cuisines |
| 02:52.31 | jasta | Ha! I bet the cuisine choices in San Francisco are much nicer than Chennai. |
| 02:52.33 | dmoffett | Same here but there is nothing like home cooking. |
| 02:52.48 | muthu | jasta: what's nicer? |
| 02:53.01 | muthu | dmoffett: agree, nothing like home cooking |
| 02:53.12 | muthu | jasta: its all in your mind ;) |
| 02:53.20 | jasta | muthu: well, what did you think about it? |
| 02:53.41 | muthu | jasta: if i agree, then it wouldn't be fun :) |
| 02:53.48 | jasta | but i know that you do :) |
| 02:54.33 | muthu | there's a lot of choices in SF, i agree |
| 02:55.23 | muthu | one thing i noticed on this trip to SF is.. i did not have much of a food craving as would be the case before |
| 02:55.52 | muthu | i mean atleast not the fast food chains |
| 02:56.07 | f00f- | right |
| 02:56.09 | muthu | i couldn't go to ethiopian.. |
| 02:56.34 | muthu | i loved the pubs |
| 02:56.48 | muthu | but i should say, it was all for the first 15 days |
| 02:56.54 | muthu | the next 15 days sucked big time |
| 02:57.13 | f00f- | the next week will suck even more |
| 02:57.21 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 02:57.35 | f00f- | i have so much shit coming at me, it's not even funny anymore |
| 02:57.38 | muthu | man, i just hope i can't watch the olympics in peace ;) |
| 02:57.47 | muthu | s/can't/can/g |
| 02:57.57 | dmoffett | With no one to hold but Rosy Palm. :-) |
| 02:58.06 | muthu | hehe |
| 02:58.27 | f00f- | heh |
| 02:59.27 | muthu | lot of android rumors floating around |
| 02:59.41 | dmoffett | Of course Muthu probably has a chick in each town. |
| 02:59.59 | dmoffett | Like? |
| 03:00.07 | muthu | haha |
| 03:00.13 | muthu | they are all my good friends |
| 03:00.17 | dmoffett | Rumours to us but you know the truth. |
| 03:00.22 | f00f- | exactly :D |
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| 03:00.37 | muthu | and everyone has an android phone already ;) |
| 03:01.23 | muthu | adc 2 must be fun.. with the real device |
| 03:02.05 | dmoffett | f00f and Muthu how are your apps coming along? Are you ready for the second round? |
| 03:02.06 | gambler | the java language seems to have grown alot in the last few years |
| 03:02.25 | muthu | dmoffett: hell yeah! |
| 03:02.32 | f00f- | dmoffett: mostly a rewrite here, lots of things happening |
| 03:02.34 | muthu | gambler: java 5 was the major change |
| 03:02.57 | f00f- | dmoffett: moved lots to the backend for performance reasons |
| 03:03.09 | dmoffett | young guys can stay up all night re-write. |
| 03:03.11 | f00f- | need to investigate massive horizontal scaling techniques after round 2 |
| 03:03.25 | f00f- | dmoffett: it's taking a toll, i can feel it. |
| 03:03.27 | muthu | dmoffett: guess you are talking about f00f- here |
| 03:03.35 | f00f- | muthu is as young as they come |
| 03:03.41 | dmoffett | yep |
| 03:03.49 | dmoffett | and doing a re-write. Bold. |
| 03:03.49 | muthu | i'm nearing the dreaded four zero! |
| 03:04.05 | dmoffett | Don't make me laugh. |
| 03:04.10 | muthu | haha |
| 03:04.10 | f00f- | muthu: better have your mid-life crisis, and make it fast! :D |
| 03:04.19 | muthu | f00f-: its over!!!!!!!! |
| 03:04.27 | f00f- | heh |
| 03:04.31 | f00f- | there are talks about quarter-life crises, too |
| 03:04.33 | f00f- | i might be in one soon |
| 03:04.36 | muthu | lol |
| 03:04.47 | muthu | but mid-life crisis is real thang! |
| 03:05.01 | dmoffett | My mid life crisis involved a new bike and a six pack. |
| 03:05.22 | f00f- | dmoffett: six pack of beer, or abs? |
| 03:05.22 | muthu | lol |
| 03:05.35 | muthu | dmoffett: that's all? come on! |
| 03:06.09 | dmoffett | I am whipped man. |
| 03:07.03 | muthu | dmoffett: let me hear from you, there'll be only one right? |
| 03:07.23 | dmoffett | I guess my D90 was considered a mid life. |
| 03:07.25 | yakischloba | dmoffett: that sounds like every few months of my life ;) |
| 03:08.14 | muthu | what's D90? |
| 03:08.18 | f00f- | not sure waht a D90 is, but maybe i'm too young |
| 03:08.22 | yakischloba | nikon? |
| 03:08.28 | muthu | oh |
| 03:08.39 | dmoffett | http://www.yellowdefender.com/ |
| 03:08.44 | dmoffett | not mine but similar. |
| 03:08.50 | yakischloba | heh |
| 03:08.51 | dmoffett | I sold it though. |
| 03:09.08 | dmoffett | sweet ride but leaked oil all over the place. |
| 03:09.13 | yakischloba | yum |
| 03:09.14 | f00f- | nice!! |
| 03:09.53 | dmoffett | Sold it for more that I paid for it. |
| 03:11.30 | muthu | wow! |
| 03:11.32 | muthu | nice |
| 03:12.07 | muthu | dmoffett: what you have now? |
| 03:12.21 | dmoffett | 1974 CJ 5. |
| 03:12.30 | dmoffett | For the mountains around here. |
| 03:12.40 | dmoffett | and an FJ Cruiser. |
| 03:12.52 | f00f- | i could see you in an fj cruiser |
| 03:12.59 | f00f- | my teammate has one |
| 03:13.03 | f00f- | he jsuthad to have it |
| 03:13.06 | f00f- | after graduation |
| 03:13.20 | dmoffett | They are quite capable. |
| 03:13.35 | f00f- | he has some motorcycle exhaust kit |
| 03:13.38 | dmoffett | Probably bette than the D90. |
| 03:13.40 | f00f- | so it vrooms nicely |
| 03:13.45 | dmoffett | nice |
| 03:13.53 | muthu | cool |
| 03:14.28 | tkooda | is it possible (perhaps through the android.media.{AudioSubsystem,MediaRecorder} class?) to record audio received from the gsm+mic (e.g. to record both sides of a phonecall)? |
| 03:14.34 | dmoffett | The cj is more fun since if I roll it over or hit the bottom I don't care. |
| 03:15.29 | muthu | tkooda: i don't think audio recording ever worked |
| 03:15.51 | tkooda | is it supposed to? |
| 03:16.02 | dmoffett | One of the things that will be fixed we hope. :-) |
| 03:16.20 | dmoffett | Lot's of complaints about media player. |
| 03:16.34 | tkooda | is that funcionality intended/allowed in the final design? |
| 03:17.09 | tkooda | (e.g. recording both sides of a call) |
| 03:17.57 | dmoffett | Sorry I don't know. Some of the google guys may answer that question though. |
| 03:18.58 | muthu | tkooda: is that kind of functionality available in iphone? |
| 03:19.08 | tkooda | dunno |
| 03:19.19 | tkooda | why? |
| 03:19.39 | muthu | if its a common functionality available in other phones, it might be available in android |
| 03:19.42 | muthu | that's the logic ;) |
| 03:20.22 | tkooda | makes sense. although I hope android's functionality isn't limited to the union of the features of other phones. ;P |
| 03:22.14 | muthu | right, no one knows what's in final version as of today |
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| 03:35.28 | Orph | I had a rotary phone when I was a kid. |
| 03:38.50 | f00f- | me too, we started on that |
| 03:39.14 | yakischloba | I'm not even old and I had a rotary phone at some point |
| 03:40.36 | f00f- | yeah i grew up on one |
| 03:40.39 | f00f- | i loved the rotary |
| 03:40.43 | f00f- | like dial + wait |
| 03:40.45 | f00f- | for it to come aroudn |
| 03:40.54 | f00f- | pulse modulation ftw! |
| 03:41.10 | f00f- | i remember commercials on tv or whatever |
| 03:41.11 | f00f- | saying |
| 03:41.14 | f00f- | you need a touch tone phone |
| 03:41.15 | f00f- | etc. |
| 03:41.20 | f00f- | or perss whatever for rotary |
| 03:41.26 | f00f- | 'stay on the line' probably |
| 03:42.07 | yakischloba | mmhmm |
| 03:43.13 | Orph | Unfortunately, I did not have any coupled modem tho |
| 03:43.25 | Orph | that would have been awesome, I didnt get a computer till I was 18, so I lost out there. |
| 03:52.13 | muthu | rotary phones are great |
| 03:52.34 | muthu | and the way people dialled.. each had their own style! |
| 03:54.07 | yakischloba | We had touchtone. We just still had a rotary sitting around in one of the rooms. |
| 03:54.13 | Orph | heh, rotary phone addon for android, is it in the cards? |
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| 04:39.00 | dmoffett | f00f: If you are willing to say, what technology are you using on the back end? |
| 04:40.59 | dmoffett | They should make tele marketers use rotary dial phones. |
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| 05:19.56 | jasta | Work, Work! |
| 05:20.04 | jasta | ...For the king! |
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| 05:42.31 | f00f- | dmoffett: right now for ADC, it's a simple PHP backend talking to MySQL on a FastCGI setup |
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| 07:47.55 | alex2308 | morning |
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| 07:49.54 | spykid | Does this interesting to anyone :D http://tmonews.com/2008/07/details-emerge-on-t-mobiles-plans-for-the-remainder-of-2008-and-we-like-em/ |
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| 08:00.41 | alex2308 | no, im working for deutsche telekom. nothing new |
| 08:10.40 | spykid | alex2308: Well these rumors were not new to me, but as it seems the become more concrete and the DREAM might become true earlier than most here expected... ;) |
| 08:11.14 | alex2308 | well, look at the timeline: |
| 08:11.20 | Orph | is there anything concrete about android on Verizon? |
| 08:11.33 | alex2308 | touch diamond: very similar to android emulator / dream. allready on market |
| 08:11.51 | alex2308 | end of ADC early august |
| 08:12.06 | alex2308 | rumors say oct 2008 |
| 08:12.28 | alex2308 | enough time to get the SDK release ready |
| 08:13.39 | alex2308 | only two things that could go wrong: very bugged SDK and lack of standard software |
| 08:14.52 | alex2308 | imho i believe they will launch in oct 2008 and software will be very buggy. |
| 08:17.21 | spykid | alex2308: Like the iPhone 3G :D |
| 08:18.59 | alex2308 | decent design, nice hardware (except screen), average battery, aweful price, aweful itunes, aweful company: i'd take it for free, but never buy it |
| 08:19.58 | Orph | I wonder how long before theres a dual touch android device. |
| 08:20.09 | Orph | dualtouch/multi touch |
| 08:20.31 | spykid | Orph: every heard of patents? |
| 08:20.51 | alex2308 | atm there is no big advantage in dual touch |
| 08:20.52 | Orph | uh, yes? |
| 08:20.56 | Orph | Apple didn't invent multi touch. |
| 08:22.21 | alex2308 | dont worry, people always steal apple ideas and improve them |
| 08:22.27 | alex2308 | for example: the mouse |
| 08:22.36 | alex2308 | the ipod |
| 08:23.38 | Orph | Apple stole the mouse from Xerox |
| 08:23.56 | alex2308 | they did? i didnt knew |
| 08:23.58 | Orph | and the Diamond Rio came out before the Ipod |
| 08:24.12 | spykid | alex2308: apple got basically everthing from Xerox |
| 08:24.35 | alex2308 | well, then apple stole it, didnt improve it and others stole it again and improved it |
| 08:24.36 | Orph | apples not big on doing new things. |
| 08:24.42 | alex2308 | that makes apple look even worse |
| 08:24.59 | spykid | They are good at marketing ;) |
| 08:25.02 | Orph | Very |
| 08:25.10 | Orph | installs Opera mini on android emulator |
| 08:25.36 | alex2308 | awesome at marketing |
| 08:26.29 | alex2308 | they make you think your balls will drop if you dont have an iphone |
| 08:26.39 | alex2308 | some stupid kids even believe it! :D |
| 08:27.33 | Orph | I don't really hold any real ill will towards Apple. |
| 08:29.45 | Orph | with apple, we wouldn't have "The Incredibles" or "Wall-E" |
| 08:29.53 | Orph | so I see it as a winning tradeoff. |
| 08:31.08 | Orph | well, I suppose it could have happened, but it would have been unlikely. |
| 08:31.40 | alex2308 | i dont know them |
| 08:32.22 | Orph | Pixar? |
| 08:32.26 | Orph | Toy Story? |
| 08:32.32 | Orph | Finding Nemo? |
| 08:39.04 | alex2308 | ahh, i know them |
| 08:39.40 | Orph | Pixar exists because Steve Jobs bought them from ILM |
| 08:40.12 | Orph | using money he got by founding Apple. |
| 08:40.28 | Orph | and Now Jobs is the largest shareholder of Disney. |
| 08:41.51 | alex2308 | i still dont like apple products :) |
| 08:44.17 | Orph | well, I cant really fault the Iphone for having several new features and debuting at half of the price of the original.. heh |
| 08:44.23 | Orph | If I wanted AT&T I would have had one by now. |
| 08:47.59 | alex2308 | its not the product itself |
| 08:48.17 | alex2308 | its the way its been sold that i dont like |
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| 11:46.05 | TraX1s^ | Hi guys, is this a channel for the Linux-based Android for smartphones? |
| 11:46.15 | duey | yes |
| 11:46.23 | TraX1s^ | Aww, cool. |
| 11:48.01 | TraX1s^ | Are you SDK ppl, or are some of you trying to make it work live on smartphones? |
| 11:48.31 | muthu | you have both |
| 11:48.48 | TraX1s^ | ^^ |
| 11:49.09 | TraX1s^ | I've been trying to get it working on my HTC Touch without luck most of the day .. |
| 11:49.52 | duey | lol |
| 11:49.58 | duey | I wonder why.. |
| 11:50.09 | TraX1s^ | hehe |
| 11:50.26 | muthu | not released yet |
| 11:51.01 | TraX1s^ | Ah well, early releases for testing via HaRET is what i've been playing with, so |
| 11:51.23 | muthu | yeah no official support |
| 11:51.46 | TraX1s^ | Nope, but kinda cool to see it up and running live on a phone |
| 11:52.45 | TraX1s^ | does any of you know approximately when they launch a version that can be flashed to a phone? |
| 11:53.16 | duey | never |
| 11:53.31 | TraX1s^ | ^^ |
| 11:53.35 | TraX1s^ | lol |
| 11:53.36 | muthu | when the devices come out |
| 11:54.06 | duey | TraX1s^, they have not been very forth coming with any details, so no one really knows |
| 11:54.38 | TraX1s^ | yea i know duey, it kinda sucks .. |
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| 12:19.29 | davidw | October 20th |
| 12:21.19 | alex2308 | August 23th |
| 12:26.09 | zhobbs_ | related to the top: http://www.sonnyradio.com/oldphones.htm |
| 12:26.14 | zhobbs_ | topic* |
| 12:26.36 | muthu | gphone will come with a rotary dial ;) |
| 12:27.48 | zhobbs_ | so who's working on a touchscreen rotary dial? |
| 12:29.18 | alex2308 | mh apple? |
| 12:29.19 | zhobbs_ | would be a pretty easy app to make |
| 12:40.05 | muthu | a fun easy way to dial would be great |
| 12:40.13 | muthu | you know like finger paint |
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| 12:52.21 | alex2308 | you know, you could do it |
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| 13:23.22 | michaelnovakjr | howdy folks |
| 13:24.53 | alex2308 | howdy michael novak junior |
| 13:26.57 | michaelnovakjr | how's it going |
| 13:27.13 | alex2308 | runs |
| 13:31.07 | michaelnovakjr | runs? |
| 13:32.31 | alex2308 | wouldnt "goes be a right answer? |
| 13:32.43 | alex2308 | i though "runs" would be an even better answer then |
| 13:34.21 | michaelnovakjr | interesting, just never heard it that way before |
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| 13:47.38 | alex2308 | english isnt a native language for me |
| 13:47.48 | alex2308 | its the third language im learning |
| 13:53.27 | anno^da | SDK at the fith of august is that right ? |
| 13:54.02 | michaelnovakjr | damn, third language huh.... thats pretty good |
| 13:55.04 | anno^da | alex2308: what are the languages you speak ? I'm speaking english, french and little bit of italian + german as native language. |
| 13:57.16 | alex2308 | german bulgarian |
| 13:57.21 | alex2308 | english as 3rd |
| 13:57.29 | alex2308 | et je sais parler un peut francais |
| 13:58.11 | anno^da | a great bulgarien. |
| 13:58.20 | anno^da | So now whats are the informations about the SDK :) |
| 13:58.45 | alex2308 | the wp-blog of the guy isnt vuln to the exploit i got |
| 13:58.47 | michaelnovakjr | the deadline for round 2 is aug 5th |
| 13:58.54 | alex2308 | so i couldnt manage to hack into |
| 13:59.58 | michaelnovakjr | i've got a remote logcat application running for android if anyone is interested |
| 14:00.07 | michaelnovakjr | it works well if you are playing around with a handset |
| 14:00.46 | alex2308 | doenst boot on my handset (touch diamond) |
| 14:00.53 | michaelnovakjr | why not? |
| 14:01.54 | alex2308 | haret not working on it |
| 14:04.06 | NiZoX | anno^da: tu es français ? |
| 14:04.48 | michaelnovakjr | that sucks :( |
| 14:07.20 | anno^da | NiZoX: No j'habite en allemagne. |
| 14:07.54 | NiZoX | ok :) |
| 14:13.44 | zhobbs_ | muthu: looks like there is a rotary dialer for the iphone: http://gizmodo.com/5023924/iphone-app-review-marathon-liveblog (3/4 way down, search for rotarydialer) |
| 14:19.06 | muthu | wow |
| 14:19.53 | michaelnovakjr | hm |
| 14:20.07 | michaelnovakjr | does it show you the number you hit or is it one of those fun guesses |
| 14:20.27 | michaelnovakjr | i'd be interested in doing one for android |
| 14:26.30 | muthu | do it with the sounds |
| 14:28.18 | zhobbs_ | gotta have the clicking sound |
| 14:28.24 | michaelnovakjr | totally |
| 14:28.47 | michaelnovakjr | i'll even record the one i have at home to get a true sound |
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| 14:53.10 | michaelnovakjr | so muthu, have you been contacted by Martha Stewart? |
| 15:01.07 | muthu | hey michaelnovakjr__ |
| 15:01.14 | michaelnovakjr | what's up |
| 15:01.29 | muthu | sorry, was in call with martha ;) |
| 15:02.22 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 15:02.50 | SanMehat | jasta: ping |
| 15:03.45 | michaelnovakjr | jasta's a west coaster... not sure he's around yet |
| 15:04.54 | heat | i'm a west coaster |
| 15:05.09 | SanMehat | so am i |
| 15:05.20 | SanMehat | just lazy. thats all there is to it |
| 15:07.16 | michaelnovakjr | damn, you guys start early |
| 15:07.33 | SanMehat | its late for me actually |
| 15:07.54 | michaelnovakjr | geez |
| 15:08.00 | michaelnovakjr | i can't function at 8 am |
| 15:08.02 | alex2308 | start? what time/day is it SanMehat? |
| 15:08.12 | heat | elbows san (while hearing him typing outloud) |
| 15:08.30 | SanMehat | its 8:00 am |
| 15:08.37 | SanMehat | or something |
| 15:09.26 | alex2308 | 5 pm here |
| 15:09.35 | alex2308 | im nearly in the weekend |
| 15:09.48 | SanMehat | lucky you |
| 15:09.52 | heat | europe? |
| 15:10.43 | alex2308 | y, germany |
| 15:11.08 | SanMehat | beer woulmmm beer |
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| 15:12.24 | alex2308 | oh, ic, youre working like us |
| 15:13.37 | SanMehat | lol not yet... i'm on the shuttle to work |
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| 15:13.51 | SanMehat | answers yes to the /topic |
| 15:14.32 | michaelnovakjr | love that shuttle huh? |
| 15:15.31 | heat | shuttle is awesome |
| 15:15.32 | jasta | SanMehat: pong? |
| 15:16.06 | alex2308 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.08 | michaelnovakjr | howdy jasta |
| 15:16.15 | michaelnovakjr | | . |
| 15:16.19 | alex2308 | lol |
| 15:16.24 | SanMehat | jasta: sup |
| 15:16.35 | jasta | not much, just waking up for work. |
| 15:16.46 | SanMehat | already on the shuttle |
| 15:16.52 | SanMehat | got tons of stuff to do today |
| 15:16.53 | jasta | and by that i mean sitting in my robe on irc |
| 15:17.00 | SanMehat | uh TMI dude. |
| 15:17.06 | SanMehat | i dont need to know what you're wearing. |
| 15:17.08 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 15:17.19 | SanMehat | just what you're coding on. :) |
| 15:17.36 | michaelnovakjr | jasta i sent you an email with the info for the remote logger |
| 15:17.40 | jasta | sweet |
| 15:17.57 | michaelnovakjr | i just tossed it up on my git server |
| 15:18.11 | michaelnovakjr | there's the apk, server binary, and source code for both |
| 15:19.11 | michaelnovakjr | its basically like watching adb logcat while running the emulator |
| 15:19.25 | michaelnovakjr | except the app is on a device and you are on a remote computer :) |
| 15:20.42 | michaelnovakjr | i tested the logger on linux and freebsd |
| 15:21.36 | tethridge | hey guys, what's new with android? |
| 15:21.45 | tethridge | any word on a new sdk? |
| 15:21.45 | NiZoX | nothing.. |
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| 15:21.54 | tethridge | great |
| 15:22.23 | alex2308 | bsd <3 <3 |
| 15:23.06 | alex2308 | jasta put on him robe and wizard hat |
| 15:23.35 | alex2308 | jasta cast lvl 3 eroticism. SanMehat turn into real beautiful woman. |
| 15:23.56 | SanMehat | thanks. i think. |
| 15:23.57 | jasta | Level 3? For San? No, no. You need a much higher spell for that :) |
| 15:24.14 | michaelnovakjr | is this alt.sex now? |
| 15:24.17 | SanMehat | :) |
| 15:24.17 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 15:24.50 | jasta | brb |
| 15:25.08 | zhobbs_ | don't get me started on alt.*, time warner stopped providing usenet servers |
| 15:25.29 | alex2308 | michaelnovakjr this is http://bash.org/?104383 |
| 15:25.33 | alex2308 | i thought at least you know |
| 15:25.51 | alex2308 | well, you knew pong, guess one bash.org quote per day is the limit |
| 15:26.30 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 15:29.31 | alex2308 | im off into weekend |
| 15:29.38 | alex2308 | cya monday android dudez |
| 15:29.57 | michaelnovakjr | enjoy! |
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| 15:39.26 | AttractiveApe | pokes jasta |
| 15:39.57 | michaelnovakjr | hey! |
| 15:40.12 | AttractiveApe | morning michaelnovakjr |
| 15:40.13 | AttractiveApe | how goes? |
| 15:40.14 | michaelnovakjr | AttractiveApe: i've got the log apk |
| 15:40.20 | AttractiveApe | hurrah |
| 15:40.26 | michaelnovakjr | not bad, yourself? |
| 15:40.32 | AttractiveApe | Apparently Martin fixed the sdhc driver |
| 15:40.33 | AttractiveApe | gonna test now. |
| 15:40.39 | michaelnovakjr | cool |
| 15:40.50 | michaelnovakjr | i wrote an apk that pushes the logcat to a server |
| 15:41.07 | michaelnovakjr | in realtime, so as you use it the server is getting the log streamed |
| 15:41.20 | AttractiveApe | yeah I saw you talking about it last night |
| 15:41.20 | muthu | nice idea |
| 15:41.29 | AttractiveApe | It's a great idea :) |
| 15:41.51 | michaelnovakjr | i posted the stuff on my git server |
| 15:42.02 | michaelnovakjr | i included the apk, server app and the source |
| 15:42.26 | michaelnovakjr | still has a few glitches, like stopping.... |
| 15:42.28 | AttractiveApe | oh rly. |
| 15:42.39 | AttractiveApe | Does the apk allow you to configure what IP you're sending the log to? |
| 15:42.41 | michaelnovakjr | but you can start the service and navigate away and use the phone |
| 15:42.47 | michaelnovakjr | AttractiveApe: the ip and port |
| 15:42.57 | michaelnovakjr | ip or domain name |
| 15:43.21 | michaelnovakjr | the serverside updates in realtime so you see it the sameway you see adb logcat output |
| 15:44.11 | AttractiveApe | great |
| 15:44.19 | AttractiveApe | Can I have your git url? |
| 15:44.31 | michaelnovakjr | oh yea, duh |
| 15:44.33 | muthu | you write it as text file? |
| 15:44.44 | michaelnovakjr | muthu: you can redirect output to a text file |
| 15:44.47 | AttractiveApe | yay, sdhc card works. |
| 15:44.53 | AttractiveApe | leetness. |
| 15:44.54 | michaelnovakjr | or have it go to stdout |
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| 15:45.02 | muthu | cool |
| 15:45.07 | michaelnovakjr | AttractiveApe: git@git.novaklabs.com:bugreporter.git |
| 15:45.14 | michaelnovakjr | you have git right? |
| 15:45.43 | AttractiveApe | Nope, new install. sudo apt-get install git =) |
| 15:45.56 | michaelnovakjr | sudo apt-get install git-core |
| 15:46.08 | AttractiveApe | yeah that one too |
| 15:46.22 | michaelnovakjr | if more people want to use it i'll put up a trac page with a tarball |
| 15:46.31 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: that should be more like a log library |
| 15:46.33 | michaelnovakjr | i just got lazy at 8am :) |
| 15:46.44 | muthu | probably an extension to Logcat |
| 15:46.55 | michaelnovakjr | what do you mean by log library? |
| 15:47.05 | muthu | a jar file |
| 15:47.09 | muthu | not an apk |
| 15:47.25 | michaelnovakjr | well it has a UI |
| 15:47.36 | michaelnovakjr | so you can type in a server addr and port numbe |
| 15:47.38 | michaelnovakjr | r |
| 15:47.56 | muthu | oh |
| 15:48.31 | michaelnovakjr | it was really simple so i just stuck it all in an apk and ran the logger as a service |
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| 15:49.44 | michaelnovakjr | there's a default port i chose, but both pieces can specify an alternative |
| 15:52.12 | AttractiveApe | muthu: I don't use git, what's the command to checkout? |
| 15:52.26 | muthu | i use svn |
| 15:52.29 | michaelnovakjr | git clone git@git.novaklabs.com:bugreporter.git |
| 15:52.45 | muthu | need to probably use git |
| 15:52.46 | AttractiveApe | Uh, apparently I need a password? |
| 15:53.00 | michaelnovakjr | really? for read access? |
| 15:53.30 | AttractiveApe | That's what your command tells me. |
| 15:53.34 | AttractiveApe | is clueless with git. |
| 15:53.42 | michaelnovakjr | sorry one sec |
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| 15:54.59 | michaelnovakjr | try git clone git://git.novaklabs.com/bugreporter.git |
| 15:55.23 | AttractiveApe | fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly |
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| 15:55.34 | AttractiveApe | Wanna just send me a tar? |
| 15:57.12 | michaelnovakjr | gve the last command another try... if that does work i'll get you a tar |
| 15:57.26 | AttractiveApe | worked |
| 15:57.35 | michaelnovakjr | sweet |
| 15:57.49 | michaelnovakjr | i forgot to turn on public read access when i restarted it last week |
| 15:59.29 | michaelnovakjr | there's precompiled files there |
| 15:59.46 | michaelnovakjr | saves the 2 seconds it takes to run ant and gcc :) |
| 16:00.04 | AttractiveApe | *shrugs* |
| 16:00.06 | AttractiveApe | installed the apk, booting |
| 16:00.10 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
| 16:00.23 | AttractiveApe | new version boots much faster than the old ones, btw. |
| 16:00.29 | AttractiveApe | about 5s boot, I think. |
| 16:00.36 | AttractiveApe | WinMo is much longer. |
| 16:00.38 | michaelnovakjr | sweet, i have to get the new one on my phone tonight |
| 16:02.10 | AttractiveApe | You have a Vogue, michaelnovakjr? |
| 16:02.18 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 16:02.24 | AttractiveApe | aha nice. |
| 16:02.44 | michaelnovakjr | its not my primary phone at the moment, but i like it |
| 16:03.39 | AttractiveApe | Too bad, this file browser someone released doesn't seem to show up in the menu. |
| 16:06.19 | michaelnovakjr | apk load up? |
| 16:06.23 | AttractiveApe | Yours? |
| 16:06.24 | AttractiveApe | Yes. |
| 16:06.36 | michaelnovakjr | sweet |
| 16:06.38 | AttractiveApe | Did you test your app on a live phone yet? |
| 16:06.45 | michaelnovakjr | not yet |
| 16:06.55 | michaelnovakjr | i have to install android again on it |
| 16:07.21 | michaelnovakjr | did you connect it to a remote machine? |
| 16:08.13 | AttractiveApe | Not yet. |
| 16:08.21 | AttractiveApe | Turned android off, need to tidy my memcard. |
| 16:08.51 | michaelnovakjr | cool |
| 16:09.11 | michaelnovakjr | i'll be back in a half hour |
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| 16:21.23 | jasta | AttractiveApe: just about done with the downloader. |
| 16:21.26 | jasta | probably have it before lunch |
| 16:22.14 | jasta | and the reboot app :) |
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| 16:24.14 | AttractiveApe | pidgin crashed. |
| 16:37.00 | muthu | AttractiveApe: what device are you running it on? |
| 16:37.15 | AttractiveApe | Vogue |
| 16:37.25 | muthu | got anything working? |
| 16:38.07 | AttractiveApe | What do you mean? |
| 16:38.12 | muthu | the apps |
| 16:38.32 | AttractiveApe | Just been playing with jasta's stuff lately. |
| 16:38.46 | AttractiveApe | The android time program is pretty cool, browser works, gmaps works |
| 16:38.56 | muthu | great |
| 16:39.13 | AttractiveApe | Why do you ask? |
| 16:40.15 | muthu | curious.. on the progress |
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| 17:04.08 | michaelnovakjr | howdy |
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| 17:18.00 | michaelnovakjr | AttractiveApe: i was actually writing a file manager for android |
| 17:18.07 | AttractiveApe | Ah cool |
| 17:18.10 | michaelnovakjr | really simple.... just an interface to commands |
| 17:18.12 | AttractiveApe | I'd like yours better then ;p |
| 17:18.24 | michaelnovakjr | like browsing files and/or creating dirs |
| 17:18.35 | AttractiveApe | All I really want. |
| 17:19.27 | michaelnovakjr | it'll create a default user directory when you open it for the first time |
| 17:19.35 | michaelnovakjr | i'll have it finished tonight |
| 17:20.15 | michaelnovakjr | i wonder if jasta knows there's a download directory in the data directory |
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| 17:59.45 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: ? |
| 17:59.54 | michaelnovakjr | hey |
| 18:00.11 | jasta | a download dir? for what? the browser? |
| 18:00.20 | michaelnovakjr | not sure |
| 18:00.24 | michaelnovakjr | its in /data/download |
| 18:00.30 | jasta | i doubt it is helpful or works for anything useful |
| 18:00.50 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: i added you to android-random btw |
| 18:00.59 | michaelnovakjr | cool |
| 18:01.48 | michaelnovakjr | i'm whipping up a quick file browser |
| 18:01.59 | jasta | nice. |
| 18:02.02 | jasta | that will be helpul :) |
| 18:02.03 | jasta | helpful :) |
| 18:02.13 | jasta | make it nice, though. that is something that can be used long term even. |
| 18:02.21 | jasta | use icons and stuff :) |
| 18:02.26 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i'm doing a list view and icon view |
| 18:03.11 | zhobbs_ | I thought anddev might have a file browser |
| 18:04.16 | jasta | i just committed the HTTP GET tool to android-random |
| 18:04.20 | michaelnovakjr | got a link? |
| 18:04.22 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
| 18:04.25 | jasta | haven't test it yet though, i'm gonna finish packaging it up first |
| 18:04.36 | jasta | i mean, that's not what i meant :) |
| 18:04.48 | jasta | i have to finish some small features. |
| 18:05.27 | michaelnovakjr | is it like a package manager? |
| 18:05.47 | michaelnovakjr | it would be nice to start an apk repo to quickly download from |
| 18:06.24 | jasta | yeah, but i don't think that's a good investment of time |
| 18:06.27 | zhobbs_ | so I'm out of the loop, is android useable on the vouge yet? |
| 18:06.48 | jasta | zhobbs_: it's come pretty far, yeah. |
| 18:06.51 | michaelnovakjr | it doesn't have to be fancy |
| 18:06.54 | jasta | write support is in there now, using the sd card. |
| 18:07.43 | zhobbs_ | cool, maybe I'll have to pick one up |
| 18:08.13 | michaelnovakjr | i'm installing the latest updates to my phone tonight |
| 18:08.55 | jasta | i had troubles with the data connection, but it did work sometimes |
| 18:09.01 | jasta | others seem to report better success |
| 18:09.29 | jasta | the screen resolution is different though, so some things don't look quite right :) |
| 18:09.37 | michaelnovakjr | i installed it like a month or two ago and it was cool |
| 18:09.40 | jasta | but thankfully your own app can be adjusted to work nicely on other resolutions |
| 18:09.50 | zhobbs_ | what's the res? |
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| 18:10.30 | zhobbs_ | does it work on a bunch of htc's? any of them ATT or unlocked? |
| 18:11.15 | michaelnovakjr | i have the touch by htc through sprint |
| 18:11.28 | michaelnovakjr | it was working nicely |
| 18:12.38 | jasta | AttractiveApe: i dont know if a reboot app will be possible |
| 18:12.57 | michaelnovakjr | i had to do a hard reset every time |
| 18:13.02 | jasta | zhobbs_: only the htc vogue works well |
| 18:13.06 | jasta | which is the phone michaelnovakjr mentioned |
| 18:13.18 | jasta | AttractiveApe: the reboot command seems bunk, and the provided init has no runlevels |
| 18:13.29 | jasta | i could maybe punch through with JNI. |
| 18:13.52 | michaelnovakjr | jasta can you go low level? |
| 18:14.19 | michaelnovakjr | does the shell have a reboot command? |
| 18:14.29 | jasta | AttractiveApe: try booting into a shell using the android stack and invoking reboot. if that works, then we're good, but i dont think it will. |
| 18:14.39 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: yeah but in my tests with the emulator, it seems defunct. |
| 18:14.49 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i just tried it |
| 18:14.51 | jasta | perhaps just because the emulation is thin, but there's an easy-ish way to test. |
| 18:15.10 | jasta | as i said, just boot the stack but use init=/bin/sh and invoke reboot with the OSK |
| 18:17.25 | michaelnovakjr | yea, it gets hung in the emulator |
| 18:17.48 | michaelnovakjr | it actually freezes my running emulator |
| 18:22.49 | jasta | so modify default.txt and test it that way |
| 18:24.59 | AttractiveApe | mkay, I'll try that in a sec. |
| 18:35.56 | AttractiveApe | hmm, it seems to ignore the init= parameter. |
| 18:38.32 | jasta | really? |
| 18:38.38 | jasta | well, then just edit /init :) |
| 18:38.51 | jasta | drop it to a shell from there |
| 18:42.42 | AttractiveApe | I used the broken kernel to get commandline |
| 18:42.46 | AttractiveApe | we have busybo |
| 18:42.47 | AttractiveApe | x |
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| 18:43.07 | AttractiveApe | but reboot doesn't do anything :( |
| 18:43.49 | michaelnovakjr | googlecode svn is sllloooowwww |
| 18:44.02 | AttractiveApe | running init just locks the term |
| 18:44.06 | AttractiveApe | err, tty |
| 18:44.17 | AttractiveApe | The lack of a Ctrl key makes this hard to exit. |
| 18:46.07 | jasta | AttractiveApe: thats what i thought |
| 18:46.22 | michaelnovakjr | i put up the RemoteLogger apk and server app to the downloads on android-random |
| 18:46.27 | michaelnovakjr | and the code into the svn |
| 18:46.52 | jasta | nice :) |
| 18:47.26 | michaelnovakjr | i'll have something of a file browser done tonight |
| 18:47.30 | michaelnovakjr | i've already started :) |
| 18:47.53 | michaelnovakjr | the wonders of busy work.... keeps you from pulling your hair out |
| 18:48.13 | michaelnovakjr | its felt like a year since the adc round 1 deadline |
| 18:49.34 | jasta | yeah, it was a different world, eh? |
| 18:49.48 | michaelnovakjr | oh yea |
| 19:00.07 | AttractiveApe | made a new initrd that exec's /bin/sh |
| 19:00.26 | AttractiveApe | Have any more questions about directory layout jasta? |
| 19:02.23 | jasta | no, i can examine the data.img without a device :) |
| 19:02.37 | AttractiveApe | well, or anything else. |
| 19:02.41 | AttractiveApe | running top on this is funny. |
| 19:02.47 | jasta | hehe |
| 19:02.52 | jasta | yeah it looks silly heeh |
| 19:03.09 | jasta | you could do that to the emulator too ;) |
| 19:03.23 | AttractiveApe | the lack of me accessing the pipes with the OSK is very annoying |
| 19:04.49 | michaelnovakjr | AttractiveApe: you can download the remote logger from the android-random project site. no need to checkout code |
| 19:05.20 | jasta | AttractiveApe: the downloader is almost done, so hang tight :) |
| 19:08.08 | AttractiveApe | hah, one of the guys opened vi on the phone, I can't exit it. |
| 19:08.10 | AttractiveApe | hilarious. |
| 19:08.18 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 19:08.25 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr: link? |
| 19:08.38 | michaelnovakjr | http://android-random.googlecode.com |
| 19:08.46 | michaelnovakjr | its under the downloads section |
| 19:09.17 | AttractiveApe | oh |
| 19:09.33 | AttractiveApe | I think I have it on there, it's not displaying in the android menu |
| 19:11.49 | jasta | romainguy_: anything special you need to do to convert an indeterminate progressdialog to determinate? |
| 19:12.04 | jasta | i called setIndeterminate(false) on the dialog, but it seems not to have affected it's animation or drawing. |
| 19:13.49 | jasta | actually seems to be indeterminate no matter what i do, hmm. |
| 19:15.00 | jasta | let me guess, fixed in the next version? :) |
| 19:16.19 | AttractiveApe | hmmm, when you mount a vfat partition under Linux, it's normally showing up as vfat, yeah? |
| 19:16.35 | AttractiveApe | or rather, mount a fat32 under linux, shows as vfat |
| 19:16.41 | jasta | yeah |
| 19:17.02 | AttractiveApe | This is showing up as msdos, has 8 letter filenames |
| 19:20.56 | jasta | AttractiveApe: maybe ill write that solitaire engine i had planned to keep you entertained with your shiny new android phone |
| 19:21.02 | jasta | :P |
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| 19:39.56 | jasta | AttractiveApe: ok, done. i'm uploading it now... |
| 19:40.28 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 19:41.41 | jasta | googlecode is sucking bad today |
| 19:43.24 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 19:43.28 | michaelnovakjr | really really slow |
| 19:46.27 | jasta | AttractiveApe: http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/httpdownloader-0.0.1-SNAPSHOT.apk |
| 19:46.56 | jasta | it's not fancy, so be careful with it :) |
| 19:47.03 | jasta | (it overwrites without asking) |
| 19:49.06 | jasta | (note, you need to install that to /system/app) |
| 19:50.09 | jasta | hmm, hang on, i'm having a problem using it to write to /data/app even still |
| 19:50.50 | jasta | looks like installing to /system/app doesn't do what i thought (run as root) |
| 19:51.04 | jasta | you might need to chmod /data/app |
| 19:51.54 | jasta | lame, that is necessary. |
| 19:52.11 | jasta | chmod 0777 /data/app on your data.img, then i guess you can install this apk into /data/app if you want since it doesnt seem to matter |
| 19:52.28 | jasta | hang on, let me see if i can figure out how to get the app to run as system or root |
| 19:53.38 | michaelnovakjr | hm, voice dailer |
| 19:54.17 | michaelnovakjr | some interesting apk names popup as not found if you type runtime in the shell |
| 19:55.25 | jasta | yeah, i can only imagine how bad-ass their stack looks :) |
| 19:55.27 | jasta | compared to ours |
| 19:55.35 | jasta | probably usable, even. |
| 19:59.27 | jasta | AttractiveApe: http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/httpdownloader-0.0.1-20080718.apk -- fixed some stupid bug |
| 19:59.37 | jasta | anyway, you will want to chmod /data/app apparently. lame. |
| 20:00.02 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, you can write in any subdir of /data right? |
| 20:00.20 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: nothing happens when i start your service it seems |
| 20:00.27 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: apparently not, no. |
| 20:00.29 | jasta | not as an app |
| 20:00.36 | michaelnovakjr | hm |
| 20:00.44 | michaelnovakjr | jasta you started the server app? |
| 20:01.05 | jasta | no, but i have nc -l -p running |
| 20:01.09 | jasta | and i saw no connection |
| 20:01.16 | jasta | im debugging it now |
| 20:01.26 | jasta | btw, i installed your app using the downloader hehe |
| 20:01.32 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 20:01.50 | jasta | W/ActivityManager( 516): Unable to start service Intent { action=com.androidnerds.tools.RemoteLogger.LogProcessorInterface }: not found |
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| 20:02.46 | michaelnovakjr | hm, looking into it now |
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| 20:04.46 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: i'm gonna remove auto-generated stuff from the RemoteLogger svn, is that cool? |
| 20:04.50 | jasta | the bin and R.java stuff, i mean |
| 20:04.57 | michaelnovakjr | sure |
| 20:05.11 | michaelnovakjr | i modded that version, i have the original if you just want to do your debugging |
| 20:05.16 | jasta | i also added maven build hooks |
| 20:05.25 | jasta | nah, i just like svn projects being clean :) |
| 20:06.01 | michaelnovakjr | i think i see the issue |
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| 20:09.01 | michaelnovakjr | commtting fix |
| 20:10.42 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: i applied my Make-foo as well. |
| 20:10.44 | jasta | svn update :) |
| 20:11.25 | michaelnovakjr | ok |
| 20:12.21 | jasta | init: HOW ARE YOU GENTLEMEN |
| 20:12.24 | jasta | hmm, interesting. |
| 20:12.29 | jasta | i wonder hwo wrote that? :) |
| 20:12.55 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 20:14.48 | michaelnovakjr | i've got output |
| 20:15.03 | michaelnovakjr | i'll replace the apk on the download page with the updated one |
| 20:15.25 | jasta | you need to send the freaking LF from the client to the server :) |
| 20:15.37 | jasta | so nc will actually work hehe |
| 20:15.56 | jasta | but yeah it does work, neat :) |
| 20:16.09 | jasta | AttractiveApe: you there? |
| 20:17.01 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: it does seem to block, though? |
| 20:17.16 | jasta | i mean, it works, so whatever |
| 20:17.18 | jasta | but the UI does block |
| 20:17.27 | michaelnovakjr | it shouldn't |
| 20:17.37 | jasta | i have had to force close it every time ive used it |
| 20:17.52 | jasta | and the only way i can navigate away as a result is to press the home button |
| 20:17.53 | jasta | not back |
| 20:18.01 | jasta | since it doesnt respond well enough to invoke onStop() |
| 20:18.19 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i have to fix that |
| 20:18.34 | michaelnovakjr | you can get it running and navigate away though |
| 20:18.35 | jasta | please do :P |
| 20:18.49 | jasta | yeah i can do that. but i dont think on a vogue that would work well |
| 20:18.53 | michaelnovakjr | working now |
| 20:18.57 | jasta | because there's no home button is there? |
| 20:19.41 | michaelnovakjr | hm. i think the left directional pad goes home |
| 20:19.51 | michaelnovakjr | i can't remember for certain though |
| 20:20.14 | michaelnovakjr | ha, i fixed the LF issue |
| 20:20.21 | michaelnovakjr | now i'll fix the hang |
| 20:20.22 | jasta | it's obvious why it blocks :) |
| 20:20.42 | jasta | your server has an idly loop as startTheCat, which the UI waits for it to respond. |
| 20:20.45 | jasta | or rather, return. |
| 20:20.46 | jasta | it never will. |
| 20:20.51 | jasta | so the UI waits indefinitely |
| 20:21.08 | jasta | err idle, not idly :) |
| 20:21.21 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i am fixing that now |
| 20:21.26 | jasta | startTheCat() should return quickly and just fire off a thread. |
| 20:21.41 | jasta | oh ok, i'll leave you alone then :) |
| 20:21.55 | jasta | we're starting to have a real repository here :) |
| 20:23.03 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 20:24.30 | jasta | i added a maven pom.xml in the client btw |
| 20:24.37 | jasta | i prefer using maven for building/packaging |
| 20:24.38 | michaelnovakjr | i noticed, cool |
| 20:25.05 | michaelnovakjr | it'll be nice to have the file browser on the list |
| 20:25.29 | jasta | hehe, we're ridiculous. |
| 20:26.05 | jasta | anyway, i gotta go do some forensics on this server hard drive that bit it. bl. |
| 20:26.08 | jasta | bbl* |
| 20:26.43 | michaelnovakjr | later |
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| 20:47.04 | jasta | hehe, i occassionally try to trick our Sprint account reps with questions about android |
| 20:47.17 | jasta | i'm hoping some low-level goon slips up one of these times ;) |
| 20:48.09 | AttractiveApe | sorry back now |
| 20:48.16 | AttractiveApe | went for lunch queitly. |
| 20:49.54 | jasta | AttractiveApe: we're ready to try out the downloader and the logcat utility |
| 20:50.02 | AttractiveApe | oh cool |
| 20:50.05 | AttractiveApe | http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/httpdownloader-0.0.1-20080718.apk is the most recent? |
| 20:50.14 | jasta | yeah, but you need to chmod the /data/app dir |
| 20:50.20 | jasta | since it doesnt run as the system user |
| 20:50.23 | jasta | just 0777 it |
| 20:50.34 | AttractiveApe | Why not install in /system/app then? |
| 20:50.37 | jasta | and then download the RemoteLogcat apk found there as well. |
| 20:50.42 | jasta | apparently /system/app isnt as magical as i thought. |
| 20:50.44 | jasta | it didnt work |
| 20:50.49 | AttractiveApe | oh damn |
| 20:50.59 | AttractiveApe | hmmm |
| 20:51.00 | AttractiveApe | k |
| 20:52.33 | jasta | for the remote logcat tool, configure it to connect to jasta.dyndns.org, on the default port, but let me know before you run it |
| 20:53.05 | jasta | also, due to some current bugs, it will appear to hang. just press the home button to back out |
| 20:53.21 | AttractiveApe | 'home button'? |
| 20:53.43 | michaelnovakjr | one sec |
| 20:53.50 | michaelnovakjr | i can upload a way totally better version |
| 20:53.57 | jasta | AttractiveApe: nm, wait for michaelnovakjr to fix it :) |
| 20:53.59 | michaelnovakjr | with better LF's and a threaded log writer |
| 20:54.06 | michaelnovakjr | its going up in 5 minutes |
| 20:54.23 | AttractiveApe | k, lemme know. |
| 20:56.55 | jasta | AttractiveApe: you should be able to use the downloader to get it... |
| 20:57.12 | AttractiveApe | Oh, good idea. |
| 20:57.13 | jasta | oh btw, the downloader remembers the last src and dst url (that was successful) |
| 20:57.30 | jasta | so if you point it at android-random.googlecode.com bla bla, you wont have to retype all that later :) |
| 20:57.46 | AttractiveApe | good, nice |
| 20:59.02 | AttractiveApe | huh, I wonder if bluetooth is working... |
| 20:59.15 | jasta | highly unliekly |
| 20:59.49 | AttractiveApe | There's something mentioned in the kernel init messages. |
| 21:00.34 | AttractiveApe | Hmmm, do you have to specify the app to install with this http downloader? |
| 21:00.40 | AttractiveApe | Or will it fetch a listing? |
| 21:02.27 | jasta | you type in a URL, and a destination. |
| 21:02.32 | jasta | all it does is download files and place them on the device |
| 21:02.35 | AttractiveApe | k |
| 21:02.39 | jasta | installation of apps is simply done by placing an apk in /data/app |
| 21:02.42 | jasta | inotify takes care of the rest |
| 21:02.51 | jasta | well, and some credit to the android stack :) |
| 21:02.55 | AttractiveApe | well, the app is running, and I've gotten a few 404's so it's working |
| 21:03.10 | jasta | yeah, it attempts to report errors nicely |
| 21:05.50 | michaelnovakjr | just one more second... testing one last piece |
| 21:07.34 | AttractiveApe | np take your time |
| 21:09.32 | jasta | no, hurry! :) |
| 21:12.17 | michaelnovakjr | can i delete files from the downloads page? |
| 21:12.24 | michaelnovakjr | on googlecode that is :) |
| 21:14.49 | michaelnovakjr | new version uploaded |
| 21:14.58 | michaelnovakjr | http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/RemoteLogger0.03.apk |
| 21:15.29 | michaelnovakjr | that fixes the hanging issues and LF's in the remote output |
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| 21:16.12 | michaelnovakjr | AttractiveApe, jasta **poke** |
| 21:21.40 | jasta | yup? |
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| 21:21.52 | michaelnovakjr | ^^ link above ^^ |
| 21:21.59 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: yes, its a delete button in the download view |
| 21:22.00 | michaelnovakjr | posted the two fixes |
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| 21:23.25 | michaelnovakjr | now the remote output looks identical to logcat |
| 21:24.07 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, can i use the googlecode svn as a working repo for the file browser? |
| 21:24.47 | jasta | by all means |
| 21:27.14 | michaelnovakjr | sweet |
| 21:28.17 | michaelnovakjr | you should be all set with that RemoteLogger |
| 21:28.32 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: stop logigng doesnt work :) |
| 21:28.47 | michaelnovakjr | yea, that is the one thing i have left to fix |
| 21:28.53 | michaelnovakjr | on my list that is :) |
| 21:28.58 | jasta | otherwise, perfect |
| 21:29.00 | michaelnovakjr | but it doesn't mess up the UI thread |
| 21:29.04 | jasta | AttractiveApe: i guess we're reayd to do this then |
| 21:29.19 | michaelnovakjr | getting output on your server jasta? |
| 21:29.46 | michaelnovakjr | it shouldn't be one big block anymore |
| 21:30.33 | jasta | yp :) |
| 21:30.34 | jasta | yup :) |
| 21:30.42 | michaelnovakjr | sweet |
| 21:30.49 | jasta | now i just need AttractiveApe to fire it up... |
| 21:30.50 | michaelnovakjr | i'm heading home... i'll be back late |
| 21:30.54 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 21:31.01 | michaelnovakjr | good luck |
| 21:43.53 | jasta | AttractiveApe: *poke* |
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| 21:57.54 | jasta | heat: i just reworded the five description so hopefully it looks less illegal :) |
| 22:02.57 | heat | heh |
| 22:04.49 | jasta | heat: are you going to the Download Festival in Mountain View next week? |
| 22:05.24 | jasta | tapes n tapes, mutemath, and airborne toxic events will be there |
| 22:05.34 | jasta | although it's lame and outdoors, boo. |
| 22:05.36 | jasta | i hate outdoor concerts |
| 22:06.20 | heat | i was thinking about it, but probably not |
| 22:08.09 | heat | gonna just hang out in the city |
| 22:08.15 | heat | cheeel if you wil |
| 22:10.52 | jasta | airborne toxic event is my new favorite little band hehe |
| 22:11.19 | jasta | theyre playing at the capital hill block party the day after the download festival, which i am going to |
| 22:11.24 | jasta | but thats because Seattle does concerts right :P |
| 22:13.11 | jasta | theyre playing on an indoor stage |
| 22:16.07 | AttractiveApe | hah sorry |
| 22:16.09 | AttractiveApe | huge meeting |
| 22:16.49 | jasta | let's get this moving! :) |
| 22:16.55 | AttractiveApe | kk |
| 22:20.36 | AttractiveApe | k |
| 22:20.45 | AttractiveApe | downloaded the new apk, it's not showing up I think |
| 22:20.50 | AttractiveApe | Or maybe it is, so I'll give this a go... |
| 22:21.19 | AttractiveApe | hmm |
| 22:21.21 | jasta | we need the logcatter most of all, but you should get the downloader working too |
| 22:21.24 | jasta | just to simplify this |
| 22:21.26 | AttractiveApe | jasta.dyndns.org right? |
| 22:21.31 | jasta | yes. |
| 22:22.02 | AttractiveApe | mm |
| 22:22.07 | AttractiveApe | do you have a connection open now? |
| 22:22.51 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr__: there should be a single button, start logging, and then when you tap it, stop logging. |
| 22:22.55 | jasta | on the logcatter, no? |
| 22:23.10 | jasta | if you are using the old logcatter, it won't work |
| 22:23.14 | jasta | make sure you have installed the 0.03 version |
| 22:23.24 | jasta | http://android-random.googlecode.com/files/RemoteLogger0.03.apk |
| 22:24.06 | AttractiveApe | bah |
| 22:24.12 | jasta | ? |
| 22:24.39 | AttractiveApe | few moments, need to add it to data.img manually |
| 22:25.31 | AttractiveApe | hmmm, well, the downloader worked |
| 22:25.33 | jasta | does the downloader not work? |
| 22:25.38 | AttractiveApe | just didn't pop up with a new menu item. |
| 22:25.49 | AttractiveApe | And running the one that was in the menu, I think was the old version. |
| 22:25.51 | jasta | try rebooting. it probably just doesn't work on the phone. |
| 22:25.54 | jasta | inotify, that is. |
| 22:26.01 | jasta | oh wait |
| 22:26.11 | jasta | that's a "feature" in Android |
| 22:26.25 | jasta | two apks with different names that implement the same manifest won't work |
| 22:26.28 | jasta | the new one will be ignored |
| 22:26.44 | jasta | so you need to make sure if you download RemoteLogger0.03.apk, that you download it to overwrite. |
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| 22:27.43 | jasta | a file manager would help here, of course. |
| 22:27.47 | AttractiveApe | yeah |
| 22:27.48 | AttractiveApe | that's the problem |
| 22:27.56 | AttractiveApe | as the filenames were different. |
| 22:28.37 | jasta | i'll make sure to keep the apks named consistently from now on |
| 22:29.59 | AttractiveApe | k booting |
| 22:34.10 | AttractiveApe | jasta, am I connected? |
| 22:34.25 | AttractiveApe | I saw data transit when I connected. |
| 22:34.49 | AttractiveApe | Yeah I think it's working |
| 22:37.02 | AttractiveApe | Helloz!?! |
| 22:37.20 | jasta | yeah, its working! |
| 22:37.28 | jasta | but hang on, i'm not set-up yet |
| 22:37.46 | AttractiveApe | well, I synced with five client, and five just crashed again. |
| 22:37.46 | jasta | lets start this fresh... |
| 22:37.50 | jasta | reboot the phone ;) |
| 22:37.54 | AttractiveApe | blah |
| 22:37.56 | AttractiveApe | fine |
| 22:38.01 | jasta | i need to be paying attention as you start up five music |
| 22:38.04 | jasta | and i wasnt :) |
| 22:38.14 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr__: you need to add to your app, that it saves the last url entered |
| 22:38.26 | jasta | yeah i thought the same thing |
| 22:38.36 | jasta | he has it in my svn repository, maybe i could just add it for you :) |
| 22:39.07 | jasta | ok, let me know before you open up five music |
| 22:39.16 | jasta | it's important that i mark it in the log so i can filter out all the noise. |
| 22:39.23 | jasta | (it's very noisy!) |
| 22:39.30 | AttractiveApe | kk |
| 22:39.51 | AttractiveApe | k, booting via haret... |
| 22:40.10 | AttractiveApe | yeah |
| 22:40.20 | AttractiveApe | rugh rouh |
| 22:40.26 | AttractiveApe | Card looks like it needs a sec. |
| 22:40.29 | jasta | sorry ;) |
| 22:40.31 | AttractiveApe | fsck, just a sec. |
| 22:40.36 | jasta | what? |
| 22:40.57 | AttractiveApe | sd card looks like it needs a fsck. minute |
| 22:41.54 | jasta | thats weird, ok hehe |
| 22:42.03 | AttractiveApe | wow, data.img is not happy. |
| 22:42.09 | AttractiveApe | data.img: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. |
| 22:42.20 | AttractiveApe | Reaaaaaaaally need that clean reboot method ;p |
| 22:42.58 | jasta | hehe, well, actually |
| 22:43.00 | romainguy_ | adb shell reboot? :) |
| 22:43.01 | jasta | you know what we could do? |
| 22:43.10 | jasta | romainguy_: it doesn't work, either in the emulator or on this real device. |
| 22:43.11 | AttractiveApe | romainguy_: that'd be nice :( |
| 22:43.22 | jasta | we could enable Magic Sysrq, and write an app to force umount, then reboot. |
| 22:43.31 | jasta | even if reboot doesnt work, the sync and forced umount would be nice. |
| 22:43.31 | romainguy_ | jasta: it works just fine for us |
| 22:43.43 | romainguy_ | guess it was b0rked in M5 |
| 22:43.53 | AttractiveApe | :O I like that idea jasta |
| 22:43.56 | jasta | sysrq really might be the best way to go. |
| 22:44.09 | jasta | i'll look at that this weekend |
| 22:44.24 | jasta | it may involve building martin's kernel, though :) |
| 22:44.32 | jasta | hopefully his patch set is accurate |
| 22:46.46 | jasta | hmm, what process logs as android.server.am.DeviceMonitor? |
| 22:48.50 | *** join/#android mxcl (n=mxcl@host81-132-189-183.range81-132.btcentralplus.com) |
| 22:49.23 | jasta | raises and eyebrow as he spies /system/bin/ioctl |
| 22:49.43 | AttractiveApe | That was a lot of angry messages on boot that time. |
| 22:49.52 | AttractiveApe | I might have to do something later. |
| 22:50.04 | jasta | ? |
| 22:51.02 | *** join/#android duey (n=Nick@203.96.223.40) |
| 22:51.35 | AttractiveApe | (problems with mounting) |
| 22:51.50 | jasta | did it actually work? |
| 22:52.03 | AttractiveApe | k, connected. |
| 22:52.09 | AttractiveApe | lemme run the sync first |
| 22:52.11 | jasta | nice, ok, hang on. |
| 22:52.43 | jasta | thats SOOOOO rad ;) |
| 22:52.53 | jasta | W/MemoryDealer( 439): madvise(0x44d93000, 1048576, MADV_REMOVE) returned Invalid argument |
| 22:53.01 | jasta | this occurs a lot... |
| 22:53.01 | jasta | interesting. |
| 22:53.18 | jasta | ok... |
| 22:53.23 | jasta | go back to the home screen and idle |
| 22:54.11 | jasta | ok, there? |
| 22:54.37 | AttractiveApe | yeah |
| 22:54.39 | AttractiveApe | sec |
| 22:54.46 | jasta | k |
| 22:54.48 | AttractiveApe | idling with no windows open |
| 22:54.56 | jasta | im ready for you to load five music |
| 22:54.59 | jasta | but JUST load it. |
| 22:54.59 | AttractiveApe | kk |
| 22:55.03 | jasta | wait for it to idle, then let me know |
| 22:55.19 | AttractiveApe | it's loaded... |
| 22:55.22 | AttractiveApe | looks frozen. |
| 22:55.40 | jasta | ok, idle |
| 22:56.29 | jasta | whoa, interesting. |
| 22:56.43 | jasta | this is much lower level than i thought |
| 22:56.54 | jasta | so it hung at the ArtistList right? |
| 22:56.59 | jasta | it basically drew the screen, then froze? |
| 22:57.06 | AttractiveApe | didn't draw it |
| 22:57.08 | AttractiveApe | this time was different |
| 22:57.35 | jasta | really? |
| 22:57.51 | jasta | actually the log supports that, but that surprises me it would behave differently. |
| 22:58.16 | jasta | E/Process ( 439): Caused by: java.lang.RuntimeException: Unable to instantiate activity ComponentInfo{org.devtcg.five.music/org.devtcg.five.music.activity.ArtistList}: java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: org.devtcg.five.music.activity.ArtistList in loader android.lang.PathClassLoader@402c3198 |
| 22:58.41 | jasta | and quite a few other things before that, describing that the dex opt process croaked |
| 22:58.53 | jasta | D/dalvikvm( 612): DexOpt: unable to opt direct call 0x06c5 at 0x124 in Lorg/devtcg/five/service/MetaService$SyncThread;.run |
| 22:58.56 | jasta | D/dalvikvm( 612): DexOpt: not optimizing mystery class 'Lorg/devtcg/five/service/MusicMapping;' |
| 22:59.09 | jasta | ok, go ahead and force it closed |
| 22:59.50 | jasta | fire it up again, lets see that it behaves the same. |
| 22:59.59 | jasta | (this remotelogcat tool is great btw!) |
| 23:01.12 | jasta | AttractiveApe: ? |
| 23:01.17 | jasta | i dont see anything on the server |
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| 23:03.32 | AttractiveApe | there |
| 23:03.40 | AttractiveApe | it died again |
| 23:03.40 | jasta | did it draw this time? |
| 23:03.43 | AttractiveApe | no |
| 23:03.46 | jasta | it seems pretty clear that the process is alive |
| 23:03.49 | AttractiveApe | I need to turn it off, it needs juice |
| 23:03.52 | jasta | but some child is dead, and it doesnt know how to behave. |
| 23:03.56 | jasta | ok. |
| 23:04.10 | jasta | this is all really interesting. |
| 23:04.18 | AttractiveApe | Yeah, I think this dev tool is create. |
| 23:04.26 | AttractiveApe | great* |
| 23:05.02 | jasta | I/runtime ( 439): Binder driver not found. Processes not supported. |
| 23:05.06 | jasta | what the hell? :) |
| 23:05.13 | jasta | im reading the log from the beginning hehe |
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| 23:05.36 | jasta | that could be a problem :P |
| 23:05.46 | jasta | actually, that might be THE problem. |
| 23:05.53 | jasta | the binder is what my app relies heavily on |
| 23:06.02 | jasta | we should do some testing with some of the apidemos using services |
| 23:07.04 | jasta | hmmm |
| 23:07.08 | jasta | i think your SD card might be fried or something |
| 23:07.14 | jasta | D/dalvikvm( 438): DEX prep '/system/framework/framework.jar': unzip in 1135ms, rewrite 7335ms |
| 23:07.18 | jasta | E/dalvikvm( 438): DexOpt: failed reading opt header: I/O error |
| 23:07.18 | jasta | a lot of I/O errors in here |
| 23:07.45 | jasta | W/ ( 439): <eglQueryStringConfigANDROID> not found in libagl.so |
| 23:07.45 | jasta | W/ ( 439): can't access 3D hardware (No such file or directory) |
| 23:07.50 | jasta | hehe, aww, that must be what romain was talking about |
| 23:08.04 | AttractiveApe | I'll take a look at it. |
| 23:08.06 | jasta | i'm gonna e-mail this to martin. he might be interested in perusing this if he hasn't already. |
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| 23:09.14 | michaelnovakjr_ | howdy |
| 23:09.21 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: success ;) |
| 23:09.25 | jasta | your app worked great, thx a bunch |
| 23:09.30 | jasta | its very slick too |
| 23:09.35 | michaelnovakjr_ | thanks |
| 23:09.49 | michaelnovakjr_ | find what was holding up five? |
| 23:09.57 | jasta | no, but i think his SD card may be borked |
| 23:10.07 | michaelnovakjr_ | ah, i'll try it with mine tonight |
| 23:10.08 | jasta | but i did find one thing that struck me as troubling |
| 23:10.13 | jasta | one of the first log lines is: |
| 23:10.27 | jasta | I/runtime ( 439): Binder driver not found. Processes not supported. |
| 23:10.32 | jasta | whereas the emulator says: |
| 23:10.35 | jasta | I/runtime ( 503): Binder driver opened. Multiprocess enabled. |
| 23:11.00 | michaelnovakjr_ | oo |
| 23:11.11 | jasta | yeah, exactly |
| 23:11.22 | michaelnovakjr_ | interesting |
| 23:11.22 | michaelnovakjr_ | how's my app work then? |
| 23:11.23 | michaelnovakjr_ | i use binder |
| 23:11.32 | jasta | fine, apparently. |
| 23:11.36 | jasta | see, that's what makes no sense. |
| 23:11.45 | jasta | i'd like to get some log output going for some of the apidemos using services |
| 23:11.50 | jasta | just as a benchmark |
| 23:12.26 | jasta | W/BatteryService( 439): Failed to read '/sys/android_power/battery_level' |
| 23:12.44 | jasta | i wonder if the git repository is missing something, or if martin accidentally disabled some stuff? |
| 23:12.50 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea, on the phone the battery meter doesn't register |
| 23:12.57 | michaelnovakjr_ | possibly |
| 23:13.13 | jasta | i am going to e-mail this log to martin to see what he thinks ;) |
| 23:13.37 | michaelnovakjr_ | good idea |
| 23:14.08 | jasta | this error occurs a lot too: |
| 23:14.09 | jasta | W/MemoryDealer( 439): madvise(0x4406b000, 1048576, MADV_REMOVE) returned Invalid argument |
| 23:14.51 | jasta | there seems to be something goofy with threading |
| 23:14.59 | jasta | any app taht explicitly threads throws this exception a lot: |
| 23:15.02 | jasta | W/ActivityManager( 439): Exception trying to set priority of application thread -1 |
| 23:15.06 | jasta | W/ActivityManager( 439): java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: Given thread does not exist |
| 23:15.10 | jasta | including google's apps, in this case it was the phone app that did that |
| 23:15.30 | michaelnovakjr_ | weird |
| 23:15.36 | jasta | E/ProcessState( 437): Binder driver protocol does not match user space protocol! |
| 23:15.37 | michaelnovakjr_ | is mine throwing that anywhere? |
| 23:15.39 | jasta | E/ProcessState( 437): Binder ioctl to set max threads failed: Bad file number |
| 23:15.48 | jasta | i havent gotten into the app space yet, still going through boot/loading |
| 23:15.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | seems like something with the Binder isn't loaded |
| 23:16.00 | jasta | ohhhhh, you know what... |
| 23:16.07 | michaelnovakjr_ | maybe some dependent jar file |
| 23:16.09 | jasta | he patches against a newer kernel. |
| 23:16.24 | jasta | i wonder if the binder driver has changed since M5, so thats a part of this problem |
| 23:16.41 | jasta | the userspace stuffs is incompatible somewhere |
| 23:16.48 | jasta | thats something that we could look at easily |
| 23:16.58 | jasta | just tracking git changes since m5 was released looking for binder driver changes |
| 23:17.03 | jasta | and checking if martin compiled the changes in |
| 23:17.19 | michaelnovakjr_ | ah |
| 23:17.36 | michaelnovakjr_ | maybe we can compile the kernel image that came with the sdk? |
| 23:17.54 | jasta | well, we'd need to port his changes back to it, which would be challenging. |
| 23:18.53 | michaelnovakjr_ | are they that dependent on the newer kernel? |
| 23:19.30 | jasta | your remote logger throws the setthreadpriorirty exception |
| 23:19.45 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_: well, his patches are against it, so he obviously used new code. |
| 23:19.52 | jasta | for example, i dont think m5 had the SDHC driver working |
| 23:20.23 | jasta | it would make more sense, i think, to just look selectively at certain kernel space components and see how theyve changed since m5 |
| 23:20.37 | jasta | to validate whether our idea is even right |
| 23:21.06 | michaelnovakjr_ | true |
| 23:21.57 | jasta | ok, i pasted all the things that popped out at me |
| 23:22.04 | michaelnovakjr_ | sweet |
| 23:22.07 | jasta | it definitely seems to me that there is something up with th ebinder. |
| 23:22.20 | jasta | at least it's worth looking at, but i dont have time now |
| 23:22.20 | michaelnovakjr_ | i wonder if thats some of the new sdk changes |
| 23:22.22 | jasta | this weekend for sure |
| 23:22.28 | michaelnovakjr_ | well obviously it must be ;) |
| 23:22.32 | jasta | actually, i wonder if San would know |
| 23:23.23 | jasta | anyway, i gotta run |
| 23:23.29 | jasta | you gonna be around this weekend? |
| 23:23.34 | michaelnovakjr_ | definitely |
| 23:23.38 | jasta | cool, me too |
| 23:23.45 | jasta | bbl |
| 23:23.54 | michaelnovakjr_ | i'll be working on some projects... i have been meaning to play around with OpenGL |
| 23:23.58 | michaelnovakjr_ | later |
| 23:24.01 | AttractiveApe | hmmm, Martin/dzo just got the sdhc support working I thought, I'll use the 1GB card in the future |
| 23:24.02 | jasta | i'll e-mail the log when im home |
| 23:24.05 | AttractiveApe | alright, I'm out for a bit. |
| 23:24.06 | AttractiveApe | ttyl. |
| 23:24.09 | michaelnovakjr_ | cool |
| 23:55.49 | zhobbs | does flash suck in linux for everyone else? brings my box to a halt randomly |
| 23:55.58 | zhobbs | my browser at least |