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03:24.07 | michaelnovakjr_ | howdy |
03:24.13 | muthu | gm |
03:24.28 | michaelnovakjr_ | what's new |
03:25.44 | muthu | same old |
03:27.23 | michaelnovakjr_ | yea same here |
03:31.22 | michaelnovakjr_ | when's the deadline? |
03:35.01 | zhobbs | 7/28 |
03:35.11 | romainguy__ | 19 days left :) |
03:35.40 | muthu | its a continuous saga ;) |
03:35.42 | zhobbs | damn, that's like 3 items on my task list a day |
03:36.04 | michaelnovakjr_ | better get crackin |
03:36.38 | zhobbs | yeah, I haven't gone into full crunch mode yet...next week probably |
03:37.20 | michaelnovakjr_ | are you working on it fulltime? |
03:37.25 | muthu | wonder what would be the excitement this time awaiting the p2 winners |
03:37.43 | zhobbs | michaelnovakjr_: no |
03:37.57 | michaelnovakjr_ | that must make it interesting zhobbs |
03:39.17 | zhobbs | I went to my boss today to take next week off (without pay)...and he said that I can just work on it at work :) |
03:39.40 | michaelnovakjr_ | nice |
03:40.00 | muthu | zhobbs: so you don't have much to do at work ;) |
03:40.01 | michaelnovakjr_ | that works out |
03:40.21 | muthu | guess your boss though its better then you being on facebook :)) |
03:40.31 | zhobbs | muthu: actually just finished up a big project I was working on, so not much going yet |
03:40.39 | muthu | good timing |
03:40.44 | muthu | now you can focus on p2 |
03:40.54 | zhobbs | yep |
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06:53.31 | anno^da | http://blog.morrildl.net/ |
06:54.09 | anno^da | in the first post there is all you have to mention about drama and conspiracy theories in the software world |
06:55.26 | Kraln | heh |
06:55.37 | Kraln | he's discovered that reporters are people too |
06:57.10 | anno^da | and he mentioned sth. that I recognized here many times |
06:57.19 | anno^da | "speculatuion" |
06:57.32 | anno^da | saying sth. withouth having background knwoledge |
06:57.59 | anno^da | just because wired, newsweek or some other magazine opened new speculations |
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07:53.35 | alex2308 | good morning fellas |
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10:00.59 | cutmasta | someone here with ads experience for websites? |
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10:19.14 | rwhitby | cutmasta: I put the Google Adsense on www.nslu2-linux.org - is that the type of thing you're talking about? |
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10:56.57 | cutmasta | rwhitby, mom |
11:00.02 | dcordes | lol |
11:00.17 | dcordes | when will the new sdk with an emulator image arrive? |
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12:04.15 | pjv | Hi, is this channel about the OHA Android platform? |
12:06.53 | anno^da_ | it is |
12:08.43 | pjv | any useful open source projects for Android that need a hand? (just asking) |
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13:00.05 | davidw | pjv, yeah, Hecl |
13:16.04 | pjv | davidw, not my cup of tea, I was thinking more of programs for the end-user |
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14:28.39 | michaelnovakjr | howdy |
14:29.28 | pjv | hi |
14:29.46 | michaelnovakjr | how's everyone doing today? |
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14:38.55 | alex2308 | same procedure as every (work)day |
14:39.12 | michaelnovakjr | absolutely |
14:40.35 | alex2308 | i decompiled android.jar, but result is strange |
14:42.15 | anno^da_ | working for my thesis today |
14:42.22 | alex2308 | bachelor thesis? |
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14:42.46 | anno^da_ | "Diplomarbeit" |
14:42.51 | anno^da_ | no Bachelor |
14:43.09 | alex2308 | its nearly the same, isnt it |
14:43.33 | anno^da_ | mmh bachelor is below the Diplomarbeit. |
14:43.40 | anno^da_ | it is comparable to the master |
14:43.41 | alex2308 | just slightly |
14:43.51 | alex2308 | nah, master is above diploma |
14:44.28 | anno^da_ | but the distance between diplomarbeit and master is smaller than dipl. to bachelor |
14:45.15 | anno^da_ | But yeah I could do the master afterwards |
14:45.33 | alex2308 | http://www.elektroniknet.de/home/beruf-und-karriere/arbeitswelt/b/d/einstiegsgehaelter-bachelor-master-und-diplom-gle/ |
14:45.45 | pjv | doing Android stuff for your thesis? |
14:45.59 | anno^da_ | just a little bit |
14:46.05 | anno^da_ | more social media stuff |
14:46.50 | pjv | heh i made an Android program for my thesis as well, but Im already done |
14:47.00 | anno^da_ | What did you do ? |
14:48.04 | pjv | I did a distributed geotagged photo collection application in the domain of distributed data capture |
14:48.34 | anno^da_ | A great. |
14:48.47 | anno^da_ | So I'm leaving now. Playing a round of tennis in the evening now. |
14:48.52 | pjv | got good grades but got bashed in the android challenge (naturally since it was less appropriate for end-usage) |
14:49.01 | anno^da_ | haha :) |
14:49.28 | anno^da_ | Enkin got bashed as well and was the greatest app I've seen in the challenge |
14:49.38 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
14:49.42 | michaelnovakjr | how was it the greatest? |
14:49.50 | pjv | oh well, fame isnt everything ;-) |
14:49.56 | alex2308 | parallelkingdoms is my fav app |
14:49.59 | anno^da_ | I liked it. Just my opinion michaelnovakjr |
14:50.19 | michaelnovakjr | i'm a fan of five |
14:50.28 | michaelnovakjr | i am a nerd about my music |
14:50.41 | pjv | actually I dont have a favourite app yet, havent seen anything I would really use or support |
14:50.49 | anno^da_ | Hmm yeah. But the most applicatins suffered great interfaces. |
14:50.55 | alex2308 | im creating the first android virus |
14:51.18 | michaelnovakjr | virus? |
14:51.29 | michaelnovakjr | anno^da: the five interface is excellent |
14:51.38 | anno^da_ | michaelnovakjr: ahh I'm a music nerd as well. Musics playing all day long. |
14:51.47 | michaelnovakjr | same here |
14:51.51 | anno^da_ | michaelnovakjr: This was just generally speaking :) |
14:52.02 | michaelnovakjr | i agree with that |
14:52.04 | pjv | but five isnt open source is it? |
14:52.12 | michaelnovakjr | yes it its |
14:52.16 | michaelnovakjr | is* |
14:52.27 | alex2308 | its java (=open source) |
14:52.27 | pjv | oh |
14:52.41 | alex2308 | at least i dont know any java scramblers |
14:53.16 | anno^da_ | michaelnovakjr: hmmm five wasnt under the 50 right ? |
14:53.25 | michaelnovakjr | unfortunately no |
14:53.34 | michaelnovakjr | http://code.google.com/p/five |
14:53.41 | anno^da_ | yeah |
14:53.49 | anno^da_ | the interface is nice |
14:53.53 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
14:53.59 | anno^da_ | tiny and not too much of wasted space |
14:54.07 | michaelnovakjr | plus i love lastfm |
14:54.13 | michaelnovakjr | i listen to it at work |
14:54.19 | anno^da_ | haha yeah I do as well :) |
14:54.30 | alex2308 | first screen was obviously linux. i clicked alt+f4 in panic mode |
14:54.32 | anno^da_ | Do you know Muxtape? It hast LastFM support now |
14:54.49 | michaelnovakjr | haven't heard of that |
14:54.55 | anno^da_ | muxtape.com |
14:55.10 | anno^da_ | getting back to the roots of music sharing :) |
14:55.28 | anno^da_ | I bet it will be taken down till the end of the year by the music industry :D |
14:55.39 | michaelnovakjr | is it mp3? |
14:55.46 | anno^da_ | It is. |
14:55.56 | michaelnovakjr | where's the flac support? |
14:56.02 | anno^da_ | Just walk through some of the "tapes" |
14:56.18 | anno^da_ | michaelnovakjr: I'm waiting for flac support eben in iTunes :D |
14:56.22 | anno^da_ | even |
14:56.31 | michaelnovakjr | i like flac |
14:56.58 | anno^da_ | I do as well |
14:57.15 | michaelnovakjr | it would be nice to be able to even buy flac albums online |
14:57.42 | anno^da_ | haha thats what I want since the first music stores started |
14:58.00 | anno^da_ | the russian store had it (lost the name) but it was taken down :D |
14:58.12 | michaelnovakjr | damn |
14:58.17 | anno^da_ | I don't know but the industry doesn't care much about quality |
14:58.25 | pjv | so, what are you all working on? |
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14:58.42 | alex2308 | decompiling android |
14:59.06 | anno^da_ | We are working on an Android music store with flac support. :-) |
14:59.21 | michaelnovakjr | your company? |
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14:59.32 | anno^da_ | That was a joke ;) |
14:59.41 | anno^da_ | Should we team up with Amazon ;) |
14:59.53 | michaelnovakjr | i actually was talking to limewire about it |
15:00.00 | michaelnovakjr | they have a music store now |
15:00.07 | anno^da_ | And what did they tell you ? |
15:00.30 | michaelnovakjr | they were interested, i have to follow up with them. i mentioned the outdated sdk at the moment |
15:01.02 | pjv | how bout ogg? |
15:01.08 | anno^da_ | Great it would be nice to have a shop that supports open formats and high quality files. |
15:01.16 | michaelnovakjr | ye |
15:01.16 | michaelnovakjr | a |
15:01.20 | alex2308 | so, how can this code return something " public static final native int[] getPids(String s, int ai[]);" ? |
15:01.37 | michaelnovakjr | why can't it? |
15:01.53 | alex2308 | the decompiled class file seems to have no code |
15:01.54 | pjv | theres native so I suppose it does |
15:03.22 | alex2308 | i dont get it |
15:03.39 | pjv | I generally dont get decompiled code ;-) |
15:04.02 | anno^da_ | michaelnovakjr: keep us up to date how the thing with limewire is going on. |
15:04.26 | anno^da_ | michaelnovakjr: what kind of music do they offer or which labels ? |
15:04.31 | alex2308 | there you go pjv: http://rafb.net/p/7LNrKr42.html :) |
15:06.08 | pjv | as I said, I think the fact that theres the native keyword means you shouldnt look at it like standard java code |
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15:06.20 | michaelnovakjr | definitely, |
15:06.30 | michaelnovakjr | <PROTECTED> |
15:06.32 | pjv | probably calls functions of a library in a different language |
15:06.55 | alex2308 | hm, any idea how i could find out? |
15:07.42 | pjv | no |
15:11.20 | anno^da_ | michaelnovakjr: great. So tennis is delayed because of rain. :-) |
15:11.36 | michaelnovakjr | where are they playing? |
15:11.46 | anno^da_ | at our tennis club |
15:11.51 | michaelnovakjr | that sucks |
15:11.58 | michaelnovakjr | i'm a fan of golf :) |
15:12.01 | anno^da_ | :D |
15:12.13 | anno^da_ | Android Golf Simulator (or what was the name :D) |
15:13.03 | RyeGye24 | this channel is about google android right? |
15:13.10 | pjv | yes |
15:13.22 | pjv | or OHA android if you want ;-) |
15:13.23 | RyeGye24 | kk |
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15:14.18 | anno^da_ | OHA Android sounds lame :D |
15:14.38 | michaelnovakjr | RyeGye24: have an android question? |
15:14.47 | pjv | it doesnt sell, thats for sure |
15:14.54 | RyeGye24 | not right now |
15:14.56 | anno^da_ | pjv: yeah :D |
15:15.01 | RyeGye24 | im sorta getting re-into it |
15:15.08 | alex2308 | rain? wtf where are you from |
15:15.36 | RyeGye24 | my computer can't run the emulator correctly, so I really haven't done anything since google released it |
15:16.30 | michaelnovakjr | what OS do you run? |
15:16.32 | alex2308 | computer too slow? |
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15:16.51 | michaelnovakjr | the emulator is far better on mac than windows/linujx |
15:17.05 | RyeGye24 | windows XP |
15:17.10 | RyeGye24 | yea its too slow |
15:17.19 | alex2308 | what was the adb command to clean emulator? |
15:17.28 | pjv | its only too slow since the second version |
15:17.43 | michaelnovakjr | geez alex2308 really pushing the limits of my memory |
15:20.33 | anno^da_ | So I'm out now. |
15:20.50 | pjv | bye |
15:21.02 | anno^da_ | bye |
15:21.25 | alex2308 | l8er dude |
15:21.45 | RyeGye24 | cya |
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15:23.52 | alex2308 | i managed to get around permission checks on android :) |
15:24.21 | alex2308 | still no big deal in this early stage of the SDk |
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16:09.58 | jasta | ugh, just got back from Idaho |
16:10.02 | jasta | Boise, in particular. |
16:10.06 | jasta | I hate that place so much :) |
16:10.25 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
16:10.28 | michaelnovakjr | is there anything there? |
16:11.25 | jasta | yes, gas-guzzling suvs and trucks everywhere :) |
16:11.38 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
16:11.41 | jasta | i saw 4 hummers in our office park lot yesterday |
16:11.54 | michaelnovakjr | damn |
16:12.36 | jasta | i was like "wow, a lot of hummers out here" and my co-worker said "yeah i know, i want one so bad." |
16:13.56 | davidw | northern idaho is nice |
16:14.02 | davidw | maybe not a place to live |
16:15.06 | davidw | but it's quite pretty |
16:15.11 | davidw | never been to boise |
16:15.18 | jasta | it was also 98 degrees while i was there |
16:15.21 | jasta | so that was quite |
16:15.27 | jasta | quite unpleasant* |
16:15.35 | davidw | it's pretty dry though, no? |
16:15.46 | jasta | not really, no. not where i was anyway. |
16:16.01 | jasta | it was just miserable |
16:16.03 | davidw | hrm... seems odd to me that it would be that humid there |
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16:17.30 | jasta | the weather certainly isnt the worst part about it, though |
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16:30.07 | al2308 | anyone got a gtalk account for testing? |
16:32.56 | zhobbs_ | testing what? |
16:33.03 | al2308 | stealing credentials |
16:36.22 | al2308 | nevermind |
16:36.33 | al2308 | i created an account and stole my own credentials |
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19:48.45 | jasta | yawn |
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20:22.33 | anno^da | re |
20:27.22 | yakischloba | O_O |
20:35.24 | jasta | lord |
20:35.31 | jasta | i just tried out the new VMware Server 2 beta |
20:35.42 | jasta | they force you to do everything through this web interface they created and it's awful |
20:36.37 | jasta | clumsy, slow, and worse yet, their stupid "server console" firefox plugin crashes with SIGSEGV on my stock Ubuntu 8.04 box. |
20:38.47 | jasta | i just installed the plugin on a windows machine and it also crashes |
20:38.51 | jasta | really cute |
20:39.11 | jasta | running a different version of firefox even |
20:42.31 | davidw | they fired the CEO |
20:44.06 | jasta | good thing, this version sucks |
20:44.34 | jasta | the old version 1.0.5 doesn't seem to build on this server, i might just look at patching it instead of fighting with this terrible new version |
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20:54.33 | michaelnovakjr | jasta how do you like ubuntu 8.04? |
20:59.51 | jasta | nothing wrong with it |
20:59.57 | jasta | relative to other versions |
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21:04.06 | jasta | and the vmware console plugin doesn't even install in IE6. |
21:04.11 | jasta | what the fuck did they QA this thing on? |
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21:07.42 | jasta | jeez, i'll just figure out how to patch vmware server 1.0.5 instead of fuss with this. this thing is a trainwreck. |
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21:13.38 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, doesn't crash on you at all? |
21:13.41 | michaelnovakjr | ubuntu that is |
21:13.43 | jasta | no, should it? |
21:13.55 | michaelnovakjr | it was doing that to me all the time |
21:14.08 | jasta | btw, what is "ubuntu crashing"? what in particular are you referring to? |
21:14.28 | michaelnovakjr | the system freezing |
21:14.44 | zhobbs_ | can't get a terminal or anything? |
21:14.55 | michaelnovakjr | nothing |
21:15.04 | jasta | do you know at what layer this problem exists? |
21:15.15 | jasta | for example, did the kernel panic, or did X just stop responding? |
21:15.53 | michaelnovakjr | i believe it was just X |
21:16.40 | jasta | but do realize that Ubuntu is just a distribution. it's unlikely they patched any component sufficient to cause catastrophic failure of the kernel or nearby components. it's much more likely your problem was contributed upstream and Ubuntu just exploits it by packaging newer software. |
21:17.17 | michaelnovakjr | i run the same version of X on another distro and don't have any problems |
21:17.20 | jasta | so, it would be your civic duty to investigate the problem so that upstream can look at fixing it. lest you may find other distros failing on your system in this same way :) |
21:17.30 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: then your diagnosis must be wrong. |
21:18.33 | jasta | you should at least enable sysrq (is it on by default in ubuntu?) and see if you can recover the video and keyboard. assuming the kernel hasn't panic'd. |
21:18.37 | jasta | that way you can try to figure out what happened |
21:18.40 | jasta | on the running system |
21:18.56 | jasta | quite likely some problem with your video driver if X is truly responsible. |
21:20.23 | jasta | especially if you have ATI hardware, oh boy :) |
21:20.39 | AttractiveApe | I thought ATI hardware was well supported now? |
21:20.40 | michaelnovakjr | nvidia |
21:22.11 | jasta | well, as i said, it's quite unlikely (and in nvidia's case impossible) that Ubuntu has patched something sufficient to cause such a failure. |
21:23.42 | AttractiveApe | mmm, I've had some instabilities on my rig that I haven't been able to track down yet. |
21:24.10 | AttractiveApe | Sound stops working, about 5 minutes later, terminal's freeze, then apps just stop launching |
21:24.17 | AttractiveApe | Kind of odd, haven't been able to find the cause. |
21:24.28 | jasta | that should be a pretty easy one to diagnose ;) |
21:24.38 | michaelnovakjr | AttractiveApe: i had the same issues |
21:24.49 | michaelnovakjr | i just didn't have the time to sit down and look it it |
21:24.50 | AttractiveApe | michaelnovakjr: heh, congrats ;) |
21:24.55 | AttractiveApe | Any idea, jasta? |
21:25.29 | jasta | well my first thought would be to figure out why sound stopped working the moment that it happens. because theyre probably related if the causality youve observed is correct. |
21:25.40 | AttractiveApe | *nods* |
21:25.40 | jasta | to do that, i'd first look at the state of the ALSA modules, assuming you're using alsa. |
21:26.16 | jasta | and i'd try using lsof to see what's accessing the device (see the ALSA init.d scripts for a handy little oneliner) |
21:26.49 | jasta | and i'd skim /var/log/daemon.log and /var/log/kern.log |
21:27.00 | jasta | certainly firing up tail -f when this problem happens |
21:27.11 | jasta | and just trying to restart alsa using the init.d scripts would be a good thing to try |
21:27.20 | jasta | firing up alsamixer to see if it can report any meaningful errors as well |
21:27.43 | jasta | and i'd also try piping something through /dev/dsp just to see if the failure is maybe at a high layer |
21:28.08 | jasta | as for "apps not launching", i'd drop to console and run DISPLAY=:0 xterm and see what happens both on stdout/stderr and in X. |
21:28.37 | jasta | if nothing unusual, then i'd take a look at the state of the GNOME tool you're using to launch apps, like the panel |
21:29.00 | jasta | and i'd try killing it that process if alive to see if that somehow corrects the issue (this is just a diagnostic approach to figure out what component is faulty) |
21:29.28 | jasta | as for terminals freezing, i have no idea what you mean :) |
21:29.53 | michaelnovakjr | when you fire up a terminal it doesn't finish opening |
21:30.10 | michaelnovakjr | you get the window and the black (or whatever color background) and it stops |
21:30.19 | michaelnovakjr | no menu bar or text anywher |
21:30.32 | AttractiveApe | And all of the open terminals get shaded grey. |
21:31.05 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
21:32.54 | jasta | are you using compiz? if yes, i'd look at /var/log/Xorg.0.log to figure out why your textures are being fubar'd. |
21:33.35 | jasta | also, first thing i'd try is disabling compiz when all this starts happening to observe the behaviour without it. |
21:34.13 | jasta | but still it sounds like launching your terminal app using DISPLAY=:0 ... from a console would be helpful to see what state the process gets itself in |
21:34.39 | jasta | if none of this proves helpful, my next step would be to install the terminal app with debug symbols and attach gdb to it when this happens |
21:34.50 | jasta | then you can see where its hanging, which is likely some X function which will help you determine what the issue is |
21:37.57 | AttractiveApe | Yes to compiz, I just ran an instance of xterm to see if that freezes as well when it happens. |
21:38.21 | AttractiveApe | I find that if I keep the alsa system busy playing music on a loop, it happens either less, or not at all. |
21:38.43 | jasta | and are you using another, competing sound system? |
21:39.05 | jasta | doesn't GNOME have some lame one it includes? ESD, I think? |
21:39.37 | jasta | my first thought would be to just simply disable that, because it sounds like your sound driver doesn't handle hardware mixing as well as it claims to. |
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21:43.11 | jasta | but nothing you've reported seems like it would be especially hard to recover from. had you ever even tried restarting alsa from the init.d script? that reloads all the drivers, and can help you identify offending applications. |
21:43.17 | jasta | hang on, let me find that usingsound script i have |
21:45.14 | jasta | lsof +D /dev -F rt | awk '/^p/ {pid=$1} /^t/ {type=$1} /^r0x(74|e)..$/ && type == "tCHR" {print pid}' | cut -c 2- | uniq |
21:45.33 | jasta | that will list all the pids that are currently using the sound device(s) |
21:45.45 | jasta | (i got it from the alsa init.d scripts) |
21:45.53 | jasta | it is very useful for crappy sound cards (like mine) that don't do hardware mixing well |
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23:55.35 | TSchultz55 | Hey all.....anyone ever run into the issue where Android simply hangs booting up? |
23:55.54 | AttractiveApe | Are you in the emulator? |
23:55.58 | TSchultz55 | yeah |
23:56.06 | TSchultz55 | Linux |
23:57.06 | TSchultz55 | watching it with -debug-kernel, it gets to "binder_mmap: 567 ...... (4096 K) vma 71 pagep 5f" |
23:57.29 | TSchultz55 | little red progress bar just keeps going, CPU going at 100% |