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00:29.59 | Razec | hi... |
00:30.22 | romainguy | hi |
00:30.37 | Razec | Whats up |
00:31.05 | Razec | muthu hi |
00:31.11 | Razec | jasta hi |
00:31.14 | muthu | Razec: hi |
00:31.56 | Razec | muthu what do you recent development? |
00:32.10 | muthu | android |
00:32.22 | muthu | http://cookingcapsules.com |
00:32.31 | Razec | checking now |
00:32.43 | AttractiveApe | yeah, muthu, my girlfriend loves your idea btw :) |
00:32.58 | muthu | AttractiveApe: thanks, lots of people love them |
00:33.07 | muthu | its a nice useful app |
00:33.43 | Razec | muthu very interesting... |
00:33.56 | muthu | yeah, real cool |
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00:40.03 | f00f- | muthu, you're leaving soon |
00:40.06 | f00f- | let's meet up |
00:40.12 | muthu | sure, when? |
00:40.18 | muthu | i'm leaving this weekend |
00:40.23 | f00f- | what day are you gone? |
00:40.33 | muthu | i'm leaving sunday |
00:41.02 | f00f- | hmm ok let me see |
00:41.14 | muthu | cool |
00:41.20 | Dougie187 | jasta: you around? |
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00:46.45 | f00f- | how about saturday muthu |
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00:46.51 | f00f- | are you still in dublin |
00:46.57 | muthu | yeah |
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00:50.48 | jasta | yup |
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04:45.32 | jasta | anyone seen charlie wilson's war? |
04:45.39 | jasta | not sure if i should watch it tonight |
04:48.15 | romainguy__ | I read the book |
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07:23.31 | trigatch4 | hi |
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11:14.54 | spykid | anno^da: btw mit wem von der t-com hast du geredet? Level? |
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12:26.01 | dcordes | hi |
12:26.09 | dcordes | in the dialer, where do you dial after you typed in a number? |
12:27.49 | dcordes | buster__: are you the guy who had the vogue? |
12:28.33 | buster__ | the vogue? |
12:29.34 | dcordes | nevermind. do you know how to dial in the dialer? |
12:30.17 | buster__ | press the green button? dunno |
12:30.39 | dcordes | there is none |
12:30.57 | buster__ | below the display |
12:30.58 | dcordes | I got the two menu buttons on top (Dialer, Recent Calls) |
12:31.13 | dcordes | then the field where you put the number with a pink X on its right |
12:31.24 | dcordes | and bottom part is the on screen keypad |
12:31.35 | buster__ | actually i dont have the emulator here, so... |
12:31.45 | buster__ | yes, i meant the "real" buttons below the screen |
12:31.55 | dcordes | obviously the phone app (the version I got here) assumes you got a working dialer button |
12:32.01 | dcordes | well my phone has one but it doesn't react |
12:32.22 | dcordes | maybe need to remap it in the kernel |
12:32.42 | buster__ | so you have it installed on real hardware? |
12:32.49 | dcordes | of cooourse |
12:33.03 | buster__ | dont believe that works, regarding to actually call someone |
12:33.04 | dcordes | somebody here who can hint me on how to dial in the dialer w/o working hardware keys? |
12:33.17 | dcordes | buster__: why you don't know who I am and what I have here |
12:33.34 | dcordes | so that's vague but we had vague discussions in the paste so nevermind |
12:33.55 | buster__ | i said, i believe, not that i know |
12:34.05 | buster__ | just read properly |
12:35.27 | dcordes | :((( |
12:35.51 | dcordes | buster__: sorry didn't mean to hate |
12:36.34 | buster__ | anyway, did you ask on the android-internals group? |
12:36.43 | dcordes | buster__: where is it? |
12:37.05 | dcordes | are those the kernel devs like swetland, san and so? |
12:37.11 | buster__ | they are having a hard time bringing android to run on nokia n810, framebuffer, kernel compile, etc. |
12:37.55 | buster__ | that just shows that its not ready for real hardware yet |
12:37.55 | buster__ | its an android group, hardware-related |
12:38.00 | dcordes | n810 is not so interesting, since it has no phone |
12:49.36 | dcordes | I will just remap the dial button in the kernel according to how it is on the vogue |
12:49.46 | dcordes | buster__: thanks for the pointers cya |
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12:50.14 | dcordes | o wait I will just idle maybe somebody will come up with a hint on how to dial on the screen |
12:56.29 | michaelnovakjr | buster__ is that on irc |
12:56.44 | Dougie187 | good morning michaelnovakjr |
12:56.49 | michaelnovakjr | howdy |
12:57.08 | Dougie187 | hows it going. |
12:57.26 | michaelnovakjr | exhausted |
12:57.35 | michaelnovakjr | how do you get up so early? |
12:58.29 | Dougie187 | lol |
12:58.38 | Dougie187 | class usually. |
12:58.42 | Dougie187 | but today i have an interview. |
12:58.42 | michaelnovakjr | what time? |
12:58.53 | dcordes | michaelnovakjr: I think buster__ was speaking fo a google group /mailing list |
12:59.01 | michaelnovakjr | ah damn |
12:59.16 | dcordes | Dougie187: what sort of interview do you have? |
12:59.20 | Dougie187 | 10:30 |
12:59.20 | michaelnovakjr | android is premature |
12:59.36 | Dougie187 | its a state job, for administering a Systems Management Server. |
12:59.47 | michaelnovakjr | what state |
12:59.58 | dcordes | cool |
13:00.07 | Dougie187 | florida. |
13:00.13 | Dougie187 | Department of Transportation. |
13:00.17 | michaelnovakjr | ah that's right |
13:00.59 | michaelnovakjr | i got android running on my iPod! |
13:01.05 | Dougie187 | really? |
13:01.09 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
13:01.12 | Dougie187 | What version? |
13:01.17 | Dougie187 | (ipod) |
13:01.30 | michaelnovakjr | think about it :) |
13:01.49 | Dougie187 | thinking. |
13:01.56 | michaelnovakjr | click wheel... |
13:02.00 | michaelnovakjr | typing... |
13:02.04 | dcordes | you can get it working on virtually any device that supports the linux kernel |
13:02.34 | michaelnovakjr | i wouldn't say linux kernel |
13:02.50 | michaelnovakjr | i can put a 'linux kernel' in my stopwatch if i watched to |
13:02.56 | dcordes | any device as in any PDAish device ^^ |
13:03.14 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: there are like 3 versions of the ipod that have a click wheel. |
13:03.17 | michaelnovakjr | and android installed is useless |
13:03.24 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187, joking :) |
13:03.49 | michaelnovakjr | my emphasis is on how useless that would be :) |
13:03.49 | Dougie187 | so you didnt get it going on your ipod? |
13:03.52 | Dougie187 | and your a liar now? |
13:04.00 | michaelnovakjr | yes, but i didn't sleep with that woman |
13:04.04 | Dougie187 | ok |
13:04.12 | Dougie187 | good. because then you would have crossed the line. |
13:04.20 | michaelnovakjr | i know |
13:04.55 | michaelnovakjr | people that are running android on hardware now are just running the ever so bare emulator image that comes with the SDK |
13:05.05 | Dougie187 | yeah |
13:05.11 | Dougie187 | are you a vim groupie? |
13:05.12 | michaelnovakjr | one person wrote radio drivers, but again..... useless at the moment |
13:05.16 | michaelnovakjr | nano |
13:05.20 | Dougie187 | wtf. |
13:05.20 | Dougie187 | nano? |
13:05.24 | Dougie187 | are you serious? |
13:05.29 | michaelnovakjr | why not |
13:05.33 | michaelnovakjr | nano is awesome |
13:05.37 | Dougie187 | because thats like saying you program in word. |
13:05.39 | michaelnovakjr | i use vim on my servers |
13:05.43 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
13:06.07 | michaelnovakjr | i must say though, i like nano, but the line wrapping is annoying |
13:06.18 | Dougie187 | yeah, but vim does that too. |
13:06.22 | Dougie187 | though there is some way to make it not. |
13:06.24 | Dougie187 | but i dont know it. |
13:06.29 | Dougie187 | i love folding in vim. |
13:06.31 | Dougie187 | that is the shit. |
13:06.35 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
13:06.39 | Dougie187 | and splitting. |
13:06.40 | Dougie187 | ;) |
13:06.45 | dcordes | any device as in any PDAish device ^^ <- don't know if that arrived |
13:06.48 | michaelnovakjr | i used to use vi for everything |
13:06.54 | Dougie187 | dcordes: yes it did. |
13:07.03 | Dougie187 | vim > vi |
13:07.12 | Dougie187 | vi > emacs > nano |
13:07.13 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:07.20 | michaelnovakjr | vi > emacs > nano > word |
13:07.28 | Dougie187 | nano ~ word |
13:07.30 | michaelnovakjr | hah |
13:07.42 | Dougie187 | because nano ~ pico |
13:07.51 | Dougie187 | and pico ~ gedit ~ wordpad ~ word |
13:08.00 | Dougie187 | => nano ~ word |
13:08.04 | michaelnovakjr | oh boy |
13:08.14 | michaelnovakjr | there's way too many text editors in the world |
13:08.18 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:08.24 | Dougie187 | but theres only one for programmers. |
13:08.25 | michaelnovakjr | we need to start a foundation that only supports vi |
13:08.27 | Dougie187 | and thats VIM! |
13:08.33 | michaelnovakjr | and make everyone use it! |
13:08.35 | Dougie187 | jasta would hop on that train. |
13:08.39 | michaelnovakjr | :0 |
13:09.00 | Dougie187 | i love vim. |
13:09.07 | Dougie187 | there are so many cool things you can do with it. |
13:09.12 | michaelnovakjr | i must say its a sexy editor :) |
13:09.12 | Dougie187 | and all the awesome plugins. |
13:09.18 | Dougie187 | do you use latex? |
13:09.23 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
13:09.26 | Dougie187 | not condoms. |
13:09.28 | Dougie187 | LaTeX |
13:09.32 | michaelnovakjr | i know i know |
13:09.38 | Dougie187 | pervert. |
13:09.40 | michaelnovakjr | it was just at the right time |
13:09.42 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
13:09.53 | Dougie187 | either way. |
13:09.55 | Dougie187 | do you? |
13:09.58 | michaelnovakjr | but no i don't use latex |
13:10.01 | Dougie187 | ok. |
13:10.08 | Dougie187 | if you ever have to, check out latex-suite |
13:10.18 | Dougie187 | its a really cool vim latex plugin |
13:10.29 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
13:10.41 | Dougie187 | thats what i use to write all my reports for school. |
13:11.02 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
13:11.45 | Dougie187 | do you use folding or splitting in vim? |
13:11.59 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
13:12.10 | Dougie187 | those have to be two of my favorite features. |
13:12.18 | Dougie187 | what foldmethod do you like? |
13:12.20 | michaelnovakjr | indeed |
13:12.27 | michaelnovakjr | its good stuff |
13:12.28 | Dougie187 | i typically use marker. |
13:12.35 | Dougie187 | but i would like to learn expr |
13:13.25 | michaelnovakjr | expr |
13:13.31 | Dougie187 | you use expr? |
13:14.17 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
13:14.25 | Dougie187 | what is your foldexpr? |
13:14.31 | Dougie187 | i never really got how to set it up |
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13:15.56 | michaelnovakjr | i have it setup on my svn/git server |
13:16.22 | michaelnovakjr | i write all my shit down because i can't remember anything :) |
13:16.27 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:16.37 | Dougie187 | i remember everything. |
13:16.46 | Dougie187 | i dont write down anything. |
13:16.52 | michaelnovakjr | interesting |
13:17.01 | Dougie187 | but i do send myself emails all time. |
13:17.04 | Dougie187 | with things to do. |
13:17.05 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:17.07 | Dougie187 | so i dont forget. |
13:17.08 | michaelnovakjr | i do that too :) |
13:18.15 | Dougie187 | lucky for me gmail keeps giving me more space. |
13:18.16 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:18.44 | michaelnovakjr | i run my own mail server :) |
13:18.46 | Dougie187 | i only have like 803 megs of emails in it. |
13:19.00 | Dougie187 | out of the 7gigs. |
13:19.19 | michaelnovakjr | i have 1TB |
13:19.28 | Dougie187 | i dont think ill ever need that much. |
13:19.32 | Dougie187 | plus, this is free |
13:19.35 | Dougie187 | and hosted for me. |
13:19.36 | michaelnovakjr | me either :) |
13:19.45 | michaelnovakjr | but combined email addresses |
13:19.47 | Dougie187 | i have a total of 10189 emails. |
13:19.52 | michaelnovakjr | i run zimbra |
13:19.55 | Dougie187 | lol, i have 3 email addresses with gmail. |
13:20.06 | michaelnovakjr | i barely have to touch the server for anything |
13:21.15 | michaelnovakjr | samething with my svn/git with trac |
13:21.23 | michaelnovakjr | i barely have to touch that server. |
13:21.28 | Dougie187 | thats cool. |
13:21.47 | michaelnovakjr | it takes snapshots of the repositories when new commits are entered |
13:22.02 | michaelnovakjr | and sticks them on a tape drive :) |
13:22.14 | Dougie187 | nice |
13:22.22 | michaelnovakjr | i get an email when space is running low. |
13:22.30 | Dougie187 | and then you fire someone? |
13:22.33 | michaelnovakjr | and it takes care of business for me |
13:22.59 | michaelnovakjr | it just removes older snapshots that aren't needed anymore because more recent ones have been backed up |
13:23.49 | Dougie187 | thats pretty sweet |
13:24.03 | michaelnovakjr | indeed |
13:24.11 | michaelnovakjr | ever used Trac? |
13:24.17 | Dougie187 | nope. |
13:24.24 | Dougie187 | just vim |
13:25.03 | michaelnovakjr | Trac is a web-based project management tool |
13:25.16 | michaelnovakjr | you can browse sources diffs and have a ticket system |
13:25.24 | michaelnovakjr | as well as a wiki, roadmap and milestones |
13:25.34 | michaelnovakjr | and a nice changelog vie |
13:25.35 | michaelnovakjr | w |
13:26.05 | Dougie187 | thats cool |
13:26.10 | Dougie187 | i use websvn at school. |
13:26.24 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
13:26.31 | Dougie187 | but thats just for my homeworks |
13:26.45 | Dougie187 | then i checkout my homework when i get home and work on it here. |
13:26.45 | michaelnovakjr | do any interesting homework? |
13:26.48 | Dougie187 | eh |
13:27.03 | Dougie187 | http://people.scs.fsu.edu/~djacobsen/websvn |
13:27.10 | Dougie187 | i think you can login with guest/guest08 |
13:27.29 | Dougie187 | oh lol. |
13:27.33 | Dougie187 | i gpged most of them |
13:27.43 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
13:27.44 | Dougie187 | because there is a slacker student who would just steal homeworks from people. |
13:27.49 | Dougie187 | and he had sudo access |
13:27.56 | Dougie187 | so i gpged all of them so he couldnt take mine. |
13:27.57 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:28.04 | dcordes | damn old slackers |
13:28.17 | Dougie187 | i know. |
13:28.32 | Dougie187 | that last homework is ODE stuff |
13:29.04 | Dougie187 | solving ODEs with a 1 step Adams-Bashforth method and a 2 step Adams-Moulton method. |
13:29.31 | michaelnovakjr | tcl huh |
13:29.33 | Dougie187 | ... |
13:29.35 | Dougie187 | yeah... |
13:29.43 | michaelnovakjr | wow |
13:29.43 | Dougie187 | that class sucked. |
13:29.57 | Dougie187 | and my polygon clipper doesnt work right |
13:29.57 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:30.02 | michaelnovakjr | why tcl? |
13:30.08 | Dougie187 | vtk |
13:30.20 | Dougie187 | he gave us those scripts. |
13:30.23 | Dougie187 | we didnt have to write them |
13:30.25 | Dougie187 | just modify them |
13:30.39 | michaelnovakjr | ah |
13:31.22 | Dougie187 | ACS1 Lab5 is also ODE stuff |
13:31.24 | Dougie187 | Orbit of the moon. |
13:31.36 | Dougie187 | using different methods again. |
13:31.37 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
13:32.56 | Dougie187 | yeah |
13:33.07 | Dougie187 | ACS1 is by far the most interesting class out of those three. |
13:33.36 | michaelnovakjr | good stuff |
13:33.45 | Dougie187 | yeh |
13:33.50 | Dougie187 | MD sucked. |
13:33.52 | Dougie187 | SciViz Sucked. |
13:33.55 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:34.00 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
13:34.04 | Dougie187 | MD was bad because the teacher didnt know anything about MD |
13:34.10 | Dougie187 | but he does MD as his research. |
13:34.14 | Dougie187 | but he didnt know how to do it. |
13:34.18 | Dougie187 | it was irritating. |
13:34.21 | michaelnovakjr | how's that work? |
13:34.24 | Dougie187 | well. |
13:34.29 | Dougie187 | he uses a package called CharMM |
13:34.43 | Dougie187 | (Chemisty at Harvard Molecular Modeling) |
13:34.56 | Dougie187 | and it is the biggest piece of garbage i have ever seen. |
13:35.07 | michaelnovakjr | that might explain his issues |
13:35.11 | Dougie187 | basically he just writes these tiny scripts and makes Charmm do his MD stuff |
13:35.23 | Dougie187 | but he can't write an MD program even for a simple situation |
13:35.28 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
13:35.42 | Dougie187 | and he doesnt know what his stuff does really. |
13:35.49 | Dougie187 | he just acts like he does. |
13:35.59 | michaelnovakjr | gotta hate professors like that |
13:36.09 | Dougie187 | SciViz sucked because the teacher thought it was Computer Graphics for the first 3/4 of the semester. |
13:36.18 | michaelnovakjr | haha3 |
13:36.36 | Dougie187 | he was teaching us basically how to write opengl. |
13:36.52 | Dougie187 | and im like "WTF, I dont get a shit how to write open gl. I want to use it to visualize my data!" |
13:36.54 | michaelnovakjr | for what purpose? |
13:36.56 | Dougie187 | but he didnt get that. |
13:37.17 | Dougie187 | just so we know how to write the next generation of Visualization software packages. |
13:37.20 | Dougie187 | like Amira and stuff. |
13:37.25 | Dougie187 | OpenGL, VTK |
13:37.28 | Dougie187 | all those things. |
13:37.56 | michaelnovakjr | hm |
13:38.00 | Dougie187 | he didnt read the Syllabus. |
13:38.05 | michaelnovakjr | ha |
13:38.14 | michaelnovakjr | wasn't he the one who wrote it? |
13:38.27 | Dougie187 | if he had, he would have understood that we were supposed to learn how to use those packages, and apply their techniques to the data we had and visualize it in a meaningful manner. |
13:38.29 | Dougie187 | I would guess not |
13:38.36 | Dougie187 | i bet he stole it from the teacher from the previous year |
13:38.46 | michaelnovakjr | haa |
13:39.11 | Dougie187 | And ACS1 was cool, because it was about different techniques for Computational scientisits. |
13:39.22 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
13:39.29 | Dougie187 | like doing Numerical Calculus, and Error checking, and ODE Solving. |
13:39.31 | Dougie187 | stuff like that |
13:39.59 | michaelnovakjr | sounds like interesting stuff |
13:40.05 | Dougie187 | yeah it was really cool. |
13:40.10 | Dougie187 | i enjoyed it a lot |
13:40.17 | Dougie187 | but most of the students slept through it |
13:40.18 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:40.24 | Dougie187 | or didnt come. |
13:40.27 | Dougie187 | like that slacker kid |
13:40.41 | Dougie187 | makes it rather frustrating. |
13:43.38 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
13:43.47 | michaelnovakjr | some people are just stupid |
13:44.31 | Dougie187 | yeah |
13:44.33 | Dougie187 | and lazy asses |
13:44.43 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
13:44.52 | Dougie187 | i hate lazy asses. |
13:45.00 | michaelnovakjr | me too |
13:45.00 | Dougie187 | there were about 30 of them this last term too |
13:45.01 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:45.22 | Dougie187 | 1st year grad students here, have to do 1 year of technical support work. |
13:45.32 | Dougie187 | and me and one other guy were the only two who did anything. |
13:45.49 | michaelnovakjr | figured |
13:45.55 | Dougie187 | everyone else was foreign, so their advisors said they didnt have to do anything because they couldnt understand the instructions. |
13:45.57 | michaelnovakjr | what kind of technical support? |
13:46.24 | Dougie187 | depends who you worked for. but i supported servers, helped maintain the machine room, and set up desktop systems. |
13:46.35 | Dougie187 | as well as fixing various problems on the servers and desktops. |
13:46.47 | michaelnovakjr | not a bad gig |
13:46.49 | Dougie187 | one student, had to run network cables and preform cable management on servers. |
13:46.51 | Dougie187 | but they wouldnt do it. |
13:47.00 | Dougie187 | because they couldnt understand what their boss was telling them. |
13:47.05 | Dougie187 | so i had to do that. |
13:47.08 | michaelnovakjr | that is crazy |
13:47.17 | michaelnovakjr | then how can they understand their professors? |
13:47.23 | Dougie187 | the other guy who did a lot of stuff helped me, but had to create a PHP interface to the Ldap server. |
13:47.27 | Dougie187 | lol, i dont know |
13:47.33 | Dougie187 | i think its more the boss was lazy then the student though |
13:47.42 | Dougie187 | the bosses gave up |
13:47.52 | Dougie187 | and then gave me and the other guy more work to do. |
13:47.56 | Dougie187 | so i was pissed |
13:48.20 | Dougie187 | but luckily i was the only person who got an excellent yearly review |
13:48.20 | michaelnovakjr | that sucks |
13:48.31 | Dougie187 | everyone else got "Ok" or "Poor - Bad" |
13:48.45 | michaelnovakjr | i would do grad school if i could afford the time to do it |
13:49.07 | Dougie187 | well, its cool because we get assistantships. |
13:49.14 | Dougie187 | so they pay for school, + they give us a stipend. |
13:49.22 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
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13:49.41 | Dougie187 | but you have kids dont you? |
13:49.53 | michaelnovakjr | nope |
13:49.58 | Dougie187 | oh, how old are you? |
13:50.12 | michaelnovakjr | 22 |
13:50.19 | Dougie187 | lol i thought you were older then that. |
13:50.24 | Dougie187 | you should totally go for it. |
13:50.29 | Dougie187 | are you married? |
13:50.32 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
13:50.38 | michaelnovakjr | but i make too much money |
13:50.59 | michaelnovakjr | wife just started as a school teacher |
13:51.07 | michaelnovakjr | so its tough |
13:51.09 | Dougie187 | heh |
13:51.15 | Dougie187 | well maybe your job will pay for some of it |
13:51.58 | Dougie187 | what would you go for? |
13:52.05 | michaelnovakjr | i'd want to not work for it |
13:52.12 | michaelnovakjr | engineering |
13:52.20 | Dougie187 | any specific type of engineering? |
13:52.29 | michaelnovakjr | computer |
13:52.46 | Dougie187 | are there any good engineering schools up there? |
13:53.15 | michaelnovakjr | not really anything spectacular |
13:53.50 | Dougie187 | my alma mater is trying to get in the top 25 for Engineering. |
13:53.55 | Dougie187 | their Engineering program is huge though |
13:54.06 | Dougie187 | and they have like the coolest building for EECS |
13:54.19 | michaelnovakjr | what school? |
13:54.24 | Dougie187 | Oregon State |
13:54.34 | Dougie187 | www.orst.edu |
13:54.35 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:54.35 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
13:54.42 | Dougie187 | its quite a ways away from you though |
13:54.49 | michaelnovakjr | i'd say :) |
13:54.55 | Dougie187 | did you just graduate? |
13:55.19 | michaelnovakjr | last year |
13:55.24 | michaelnovakjr | i'd been working though |
13:55.35 | Dougie187 | well, you if you have any interest in it, you should take your GRE soon, and get References. |
13:55.39 | michaelnovakjr | last two years i went at night |
13:55.42 | Dougie187 | just so you have them in the future. |
13:56.01 | michaelnovakjr | its a good idea |
13:56.31 | Dougie187 | I went to a seminar on grad school and they said that if you have any interest in it, before you get too far out of school you should apply to just 1 college for grad school. |
13:56.38 | Dougie187 | that way you have all the stuff ready when you need to apply for real |
13:56.56 | michaelnovakjr | not a bad idea |
13:58.24 | Dougie187 | most colleges too, have a career center that you can have your letters of recommendation sent to, and they will hold them |
13:58.32 | Dougie187 | (because hardly ever will a professor give you a copy of it) |
13:58.38 | michaelnovakjr | haha. |
13:58.42 | Dougie187 | and then you can call them and they will send it for oyu |
13:58.50 | Dougie187 | incase your professor dies or something |
13:58.54 | Dougie187 | that way you still have access to it |
13:59.00 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
13:59.05 | michaelnovakjr | that's a good point |
13:59.13 | Dougie187 | one of my old professors had that happen to her. |
13:59.24 | michaelnovakjr | damn |
13:59.26 | Dougie187 | and the director of the program had to break into the dead guys office to get the letter. |
13:59.27 | Dougie187 | lol |
13:59.42 | michaelnovakjr | hqah |
14:01.49 | Dougie187 | well. i think i need to be going. |
14:02.34 | Dougie187 | bbl |
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14:33.04 | dcordes | somebody got a htc kaiser? |
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14:44.56 | dcordes | does somebody know what amss version the kernel people have on halibut? |
14:45.28 | dcordes | where's swetland san etc when you need them ^^ |
14:55.13 | michaelnovakjr | they aren't in here |
14:55.23 | michaelnovakjr | this channel isn't for installing hacked android |
14:56.43 | dcordes | michaelnovakjr: where is the channel for installed hacked android? |
14:56.54 | michaelnovakjr | no idea |
14:56.56 | dcordes | I can actually make and receive calls, it is a WELL hacked android |
14:57.01 | dcordes | ! |
14:57.04 | michaelnovakjr | i have that version |
14:57.08 | michaelnovakjr | its not all that great |
14:57.14 | dcordes | what version? |
14:57.28 | michaelnovakjr | the haret android package for win mobile |
14:57.34 | dcordes | huh? |
14:57.39 | michaelnovakjr | making and receiving calls is all you can do with it |
14:57.43 | michaelnovakjr | there isn't any software |
14:57.48 | dcordes | michaelnovakjr: on what phone? |
14:57.49 | michaelnovakjr | its just the emulator sdk os |
14:57.52 | michaelnovakjr | htc touch |
14:57.57 | dcordes | is that vogue? |
14:58.01 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
14:58.03 | dcordes | touch is one of the marketing names |
14:58.08 | michaelnovakjr | it drains the battery in an hour as well |
14:58.18 | dcordes | ah I see. yea it's great. the kernel is perfectly dzo did a great job here. |
14:58.27 | michaelnovakjr | its not that great |
14:58.30 | dcordes | you can even use network right? |
14:58.37 | michaelnovakjr | yes, but there's no software |
14:58.43 | michaelnovakjr | only a browser and maps |
14:58.49 | michaelnovakjr | and you can't save data |
14:58.53 | dcordes | ah come on dzo spent a lot of free time porting the google msm kernel tree to the vogue! |
14:59.03 | dcordes | yea we have no storage yet on the htcs |
14:59.09 | dcordes | mmc driver isn't working yet |
14:59.16 | michaelnovakjr | i understand that, but you can't do anything much with i |
14:59.17 | michaelnovakjr | t |
14:59.26 | michaelnovakjr | its neat for about five minutes and that's about it |
14:59.29 | dcordes | :) |
14:59.47 | michaelnovakjr | definitely has its issues |
14:59.58 | michaelnovakjr | when receiving calls sometimes the phone freaks out and freezes |
15:00.08 | michaelnovakjr | you can't see battery life or get and updated time either |
15:01.05 | dcordes | did you try the latest kernel image and ramdisk image he release a few days ago? |
15:01.56 | michaelnovakjr | nope, there's no software available so the usage isn't what i need |
15:02.18 | michaelnovakjr | once you can actually run applications on it that do stuff it'll get more use |
15:02.24 | michaelnovakjr | for now i am sticking with my treo |
15:03.05 | michaelnovakjr | are you a developer? |
15:04.37 | dcordes | not a professional one |
15:05.00 | michaelnovakjr | what do you mean? |
15:05.12 | dcordes | I don't work as developer |
15:05.57 | michaelnovakjr | are you developing for android? |
15:05.58 | dcordes | I'm helping the real pros port the google msm kernel to htc kaiser and vice versa |
15:06.09 | dcordes | no |
15:06.12 | dcordes | kernel |
15:06.25 | dcordes | not android applications |
15:06.40 | michaelnovakjr | who are the real pros? |
15:07.05 | dcordes | the android rootfs does a lot of magic that's required to make the audio and AT communication between arm9 and arm11 work so I will dive into it |
15:07.05 | michaelnovakjr | you do know that the device will be supported |
15:07.27 | dcordes | michaelnovakjr: kaiser? |
15:07.41 | dcordes | dzo is one of the real pros |
15:08.54 | dcordes | michaelnovakjr: you mean google will officially support the kaiser? |
15:08.58 | dcordes | they'd eat our code :) |
15:09.05 | michaelnovakjr | eat your code? |
15:09.58 | dcordes | yes, as in merege our modifications that enable to run the google msm tree on our htc devices |
15:10.26 | dcordes | like vogue, niki, kaiser, titan, polaris and friends |
15:10.35 | michaelnovakjr | i'm familiar with the kernel, i just think its a waste of time to dev for anything related to android at the moment |
15:11.02 | dcordes | well the linux kernel is the linux kernel. Your choice what you run on top of it... |
15:11.37 | michaelnovakjr | but seeing as android is still NDA.. |
15:12.27 | dcordes | I'm no big fan of android out of that reason. |
15:12.43 | dcordes | still I like how fast and sexy the gui is |
15:12.59 | michaelnovakjr | and you forgot to mention outdated |
15:13.05 | dcordes | regarding those two parameters, it fucks every open source backend around |
15:13.13 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
15:13.27 | dcordes | look at openmoko qtopia and so on |
15:13.40 | dcordes | they don't even come close to usability and speed of the android ui |
15:14.30 | michaelnovakjr | what part of the kernel are you working on |
15:14.36 | dcordes | * |
15:14.48 | dcordes | mostly the msm specific stuff |
15:14.59 | michaelnovakjr | which is.. |
15:15.11 | dcordes | just look at our tree ok? |
15:15.17 | michaelnovakjr | where is it |
15:15.27 | dcordes | one second |
15:15.43 | dcordes | http://git.linuxtogo.org/?p=groups/mobile-linux/kernel.git;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/htc-msm |
15:16.06 | dcordes | the latest changes to the smd code that make phone on the msm7200 htcs work will hit the git tomorrow |
15:16.53 | dcordes | needs some cleanup |
15:17.07 | michaelnovakjr | have you committed anything? |
15:17.18 | dcordes | I'm luke |
15:19.52 | dcordes | next goals are mmc and bluetooth |
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15:23.17 | michaelnovakjr | if you aren't a pro developer what do you do? |
15:24.00 | dcordes_ | michaelnovakjr: I just finished school |
15:24.20 | michaelnovakjr | where'd you attend? |
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15:25.11 | dcordes_ | grammar school |
15:28.03 | dcordes_ | michaelnovakjr: what about you? What are you doing and what's your connection with android? |
15:28.44 | michaelnovakjr | i work full time as a developer, and i am developing applications for android |
15:29.13 | dcordes_ | cool. did you participate in the 50 billion dollar contest? |
15:29.31 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
15:30.17 | dcordes_ | michaelnovakjr: so did you win something? :) |
15:31.19 | michaelnovakjr | nope |
15:32.27 | dcordes_ | michaelnovakjr: what applications do you work on/did you make? |
15:32.49 | michaelnovakjr | i worked on weatherphone |
15:33.13 | michaelnovakjr | i am working on a few others that haven't been released because development stopped until an updated SDK is out |
15:33.39 | dcordes_ | ok cool keep it up. I hope the whole dalvik thing will be open sourced one day |
15:34.05 | michaelnovakjr | it all depends |
15:34.15 | michaelnovakjr | we already know not everything will be open source |
15:34.16 | dcordes_ | I like the kernel very much still :) |
15:35.23 | dcordes_ | michaelnovakjr: did you see that input method which won $$? |
15:35.32 | michaelnovakjr | what was the name of it |
15:36.07 | dcordes_ | hmm no idea I saw it on some news website. You can jus slide around an on screen keyboad in order to type |
15:36.30 | michaelnovakjr | haven't seen i |
15:36.31 | michaelnovakjr | t |
15:36.49 | michaelnovakjr | i'm working on a cross-platform diff utility for linux/windows |
15:37.20 | michaelnovakjr | i hate the fact windows users can't open a linux diff in a GUI |
15:37.22 | dcordes_ | why not using patch in cygwin? |
15:37.39 | michaelnovakjr | some people i work with like GUI apps for their diffs |
15:37.40 | dcordes_ | or try microsoft visual patch 2009 professional edition for vista :D |
15:37.58 | michaelnovakjr | does the visual patch app read linux diffs? |
15:37.59 | dcordes_ | I also do sometimes I use kdiff3 |
15:38.11 | dcordes_ | michaelnovakjr: sorry I was just trying to be funny |
15:38.20 | michaelnovakjr | thought so |
15:38.22 | dcordes_ | about the visual patch ^^ |
15:38.36 | michaelnovakjr | i hate microsoft |
15:38.46 | michaelnovakjr | i don't usually follow their product lines unless i have to :) |
15:39.06 | dcordes_ | don't gotta tell me. that's the reason I got a kaiser |
15:39.22 | dcordes_ | a nice device always deserves linux support |
15:39.24 | michaelnovakjr | i don't use my htc phone yet |
15:39.33 | dcordes_ | the vogue? |
15:39.37 | michaelnovakjr | waiting for android.... i'm still using my treo |
15:39.38 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
15:40.47 | dcordes_ | I'm really impressed how quick android is |
15:40.59 | michaelnovakjr | yea, it runs fast... |
15:41.06 | michaelnovakjr | but its also not running any apps :) |
15:41.24 | dcordes_ | you mean on your vogue? |
15:42.03 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
15:43.21 | dcordes_ | I think you can easily put stuff in |
15:43.28 | dcordes_ | do you know how you extract and repack the initrd? |
15:43.33 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
15:43.40 | dcordes_ | ok |
15:43.44 | michaelnovakjr | i meant that its really really fast because no user apps are on it. |
15:43.50 | dcordes_ | aah gotcha |
15:44.02 | dcordes_ | well to my understanding, any count of apps wouldn't matter |
15:44.33 | dcordes_ | because android uses nice process management that makes the background stuff not spend resources |
15:46.59 | michaelnovakjr | i'm sure the process management is nice, but the kernel can only do so much :) |
15:48.04 | dcordes_ | michaelnovakjr: ramdisk is the limiting paramter there |
15:48.18 | dcordes_ | as you know there's no storage yet so we are working entirely from the ram |
15:48.32 | michaelnovakjr | i meant when android is officially released |
15:49.12 | dcordes_ | I'm looking forward to the next release where you can drag the desktop around and so |
15:49.19 | dcordes_ | will be useful on a qvga device |
15:50.07 | michaelnovakjr | i just want a new sdk so i can continue developing |
15:51.20 | dcordes_ | michaelnovakjr: can't you just continue with the current one? |
15:51.59 | michaelnovakjr | apparently the changes are very significant |
15:52.27 | dcordes_ | I can't imagine THEY will break the work of all of you people |
15:52.44 | dcordes_ | anyway gotta run, bye |
15:52.45 | michaelnovakjr | uh, sure they will |
15:52.53 | michaelnovakjr | they have already said that |
15:54.14 | jasta | yawn |
15:54.22 | michaelnovakjr | howdy |
15:54.53 | jasta | dcordes_: they have already admitted that, moving forward, APIs will change, new features will be introduced, etc. |
15:55.14 | michaelnovakjr | he's one of those kernel hackers |
15:55.30 | jasta | and we have no forewarning as to how much, what those features might be, etc. how can an engineer work under those conditions? |
15:55.40 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
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16:02.10 | jasta | also, the biggest problem for me is that there are huge bugs in a particular area i need to work :) |
16:02.24 | jasta | and still a lot of confusion as to how GTalk will fit in for alerts. |
16:02.24 | michaelnovakjr | me too |
16:02.35 | michaelnovakjr | yea, they haven't expanded on that yet |
16:02.48 | jasta | there are just plain too damn many unknowns to comfortably move forward. |
16:03.04 | jasta | bbl |
16:03.23 | michaelnovakjr | later |
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16:13.01 | jasta | back ;) |
16:13.11 | michaelnovakjr | quick |
16:13.33 | jasta | something really weird happened last night |
16:13.38 | jasta | and now both my eyes are bloodshot :) |
16:13.46 | jasta | like a popped simultaneous blood vessels |
16:13.54 | michaelnovakjr | weird |
16:13.56 | jasta | i* |
16:14.02 | michaelnovakjr | does your work think its drugs? |
16:14.19 | jasta | yeah, and looking at it makes me very aware of it, so i feel like my eyes "hurt" :) |
16:14.56 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
16:15.01 | michaelnovakjr | funny how that works huh? |
16:15.12 | michaelnovakjr | your eyes associate that view with pain |
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16:15.33 | michaelnovakjr | so your brain doesn't know the difference and its like oh yea... ouch that does hurt :) |
16:15.38 | jasta | right, but of course they don't, since there is no ability to feel pain in a bloodshot eye :) |
16:15.44 | michaelnovakjr | yea :) |
16:15.47 | Smoke_Screen | Hey, need some help please |
16:15.50 | jasta | when i think of very sharp objects |
16:15.53 | jasta | like a long thing blade |
16:15.59 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
16:16.02 | jasta | it makes the back of my legs hurt, where they bend... |
16:16.12 | yakischloba | wierdo |
16:16.16 | Smoke_Screen | Trying to use intents to launch my app when a bittorrent file is clicked on in the browser |
16:16.19 | michaelnovakjr | yea... i am reading an interesting book on the brain |
16:16.32 | jasta | and i imagine, without control, that the little tenden connecting your leg there is being cut, as with scissors or something |
16:16.41 | jasta | Smoke_Screen: can't be done currently. |
16:17.12 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: i saw this really fascinating program on phantom limbs once |
16:17.15 | Smoke_Screen | jasta: serious, damn thought I was close |
16:17.22 | michaelnovakjr | yea, jasta |
16:17.26 | jasta | this man complained for years that his left hand ached, though he had lost his entirely left arm. |
16:17.30 | michaelnovakjr | the phantom theory is amazing |
16:17.35 | jasta | scientists devised a way to cure him, that worked. |
16:17.46 | Smoke_Screen | jasta: that I was just missing something |
16:17.58 | jasta | they constructed this booth with mirrors on the side, so he would sit in it, and put his right arm in a hole |
16:18.02 | michaelnovakjr | you can actually run a test similiar to the phantom theory but it doesn't require you to have lost anything |
16:18.04 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
16:18.06 | jasta | the mirror would make it seem as though he had a left arm if he looked to his left |
16:18.10 | michaelnovakjr | i've seen that before |
16:18.15 | jasta | then, he simply did some basic exercises with his right arm, looking at his left |
16:18.18 | jasta | and he claims it cured him |
16:18.33 | Smoke_Screen | jasta: Thanks, that's a waste of a day |
16:18.55 | jasta | Smoke_Screen: yup, and i bet it's probably possible in the next SDK too. which has no known release date, yay! :) |
16:19.13 | michaelnovakjr | Smoke_Screen, basically go on vacation until the next sdk |
16:19.41 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, there's an experiment where a blind man was able to see using his tongue to transmit images from a lens |
16:19.55 | Smoke_Screen | jasta: well I am go to the States in September but my final year project is due in November so wanted it done with by then |
16:20.02 | yakischloba | michaelnovakjr: i have heard jasta mention that everyone is sitting around until next SDK. have the current possibilities already been exhausted, is that it? |
16:20.09 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: wow. |
16:20.23 | michaelnovakjr | yakischloba, google has stated that the new sdk will break current apps |
16:20.32 | yakischloba | Oh. |
16:20.44 | michaelnovakjr | yea jasta, the claim is that the brain only sees a certain type of pattern |
16:20.45 | jasta | yakischloba: no, the current SDK is just really buggy, and Google has already gone chopping away at it, changing things, adding new features, etc. None of which is being publicly disclosed. |
16:20.55 | yakischloba | thoroughly useless. |
16:21.05 | michaelnovakjr | and that the inputs from your touch and sight are not different and can be routed. |
16:21.17 | jasta | yakischloba: if you're curious, the ADC winners are under NDA with Google and as such are given access to the newest versions. |
16:21.29 | michaelnovakjr | the stimulation in the visual area is seeing activity where the sense of touch normally would |
16:21.31 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: like an APIC, hehe, neat. |
16:21.42 | yakischloba | jasta: I take it you are not one of them? :( |
16:21.45 | michaelnovakjr | yea, and how they say blind people have acute hearing |
16:21.59 | jasta | yakischloba: nope, i'm not, though we have some that are in this channel. that is why we know that bit of news. |
16:22.05 | jasta | since Google of course has not announced anything |
16:22.24 | yakischloba | jasta: I figured you would be, being the bright little sunbeam that you are. |
16:22.56 | jasta | there's no need for sarcasm :) |
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16:23.15 | michaelnovakjr | :) yea its not his fault.... its google's yakischloba |
16:23.19 | jasta | though if you are curious, my project is hosted at five.googlecode.com |
16:25.06 | yakischloba | haha. I'm just here to hang out and keep track of whats going on. I'm a ruby nerd, I doubt I could ever be proficient in a 'real' language ;) |
16:25.24 | michaelnovakjr | haha yea probably not.... ruby is annoying |
16:25.31 | michaelnovakjr | no offense :) |
16:25.49 | michaelnovakjr | i just hate those ruby guys who think their work is perfect and that all bugs are intentional features |
16:25.53 | yakischloba | at some point I had aspirations of learning Java and coding android apps but I think it would require me to sink way more time into it than would be worth it |
16:26.18 | yakischloba | and by the time I produced anything useful, 10 other people would have written the same app way better |
16:26.21 | michaelnovakjr | well, you should do yourself a favor and get off the ruby kick! |
16:27.25 | yakischloba | heh. well I have no formal education in programming so really i'm just a script junkie. I have however, had an easier understanding other languages when I encounter, since learning ruby |
16:27.34 | Dougie187 | its not that hard. |
16:27.47 | michaelnovakjr | programming isn't hard |
16:27.57 | michaelnovakjr | its rocket science :) |
16:28.00 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
16:28.02 | michaelnovakjr | not really though |
16:28.07 | Dougie187 | lol |
16:28.11 | yakischloba | Comes easier for some than others, thats for sure. |
16:28.17 | Dougie187 | good thing rocket science is easy! |
16:28.24 | Dougie187 | well you know how to write scripts. |
16:28.37 | Dougie187 | you have at least a little experience. |
16:29.15 | michaelnovakjr | that can be bad though |
16:29.22 | yakischloba | yeah. definitely. |
16:29.25 | michaelnovakjr | scripting i have some problems with |
16:30.05 | yakischloba | Ruby lets you get away with all kinds of retarded stuff that won't fly other places. |
16:30.11 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
16:31.25 | yakischloba | shrug. its allowing me to produce results for the time being. |
16:31.27 | Dougie187 | but at least your on the right track. |
16:31.36 | Dougie187 | and there are tons of tutorials online for most languages. |
16:31.39 | yakischloba | (and getting me paid.) |
16:33.06 | yakischloba | Yeah. its hard to find the time in the day to put into learning something whos return is a long ways off. |
16:33.31 | michaelnovakjr | i do it all the time :) |
16:33.43 | michaelnovakjr | i'm always learning something new |
16:33.54 | jasta | yakischloba: don't use lack of education as a crutch. |
16:34.19 | yakischloba | -_- |
16:35.18 | jasta | CS programs are hardly responsible for delivering formal programming training. |
16:35.30 | Dougie187 | lol |
16:35.37 | yakischloba | I have a hard time settling on what I should spend my little free time learning. Java? (bias here maybe) |
16:35.50 | Dougie187 | most of them dont have the interpersonal communication skills to deliver it very well. |
16:35.56 | jasta | yakischloba: You're thinking about the problem all wrong. |
16:35.59 | dcordes_ | jasta: 17:54 < jasta> dcordes_: they have already admitted that, moving forward, APIs will change, new features will be introduced, etc. <- does that mean you'll have to revisit all kinds of stuff that were made for the current version of the sdk? |
16:36.00 | michaelnovakjr | you have to keep learning in the computer industry |
16:36.16 | michaelnovakjr | dcordes_: absolutely yes |
16:36.20 | Dougie187 | yakischloba: it doesnt matter. just learn something. |
16:36.21 | jasta | dcordes_: presumably, yes, but as i said they have clarified nothing on the order of scope or scale. |
16:36.44 | jasta | yakischloba: don't focus on language X or Y, or toolchain Z. Just think of something you want that doesn't exist. |
16:36.46 | michaelnovakjr | that is what you get when developing for a platform still in development itself |
16:36.48 | jasta | Or something that does which should be better. |
16:36.53 | Dougie187 | once you learn one language its really easy to convert another language. |
16:36.54 | jasta | Then learn waht is appropriate to make that possible. |
16:37.03 | dcordes_ | jasta: michaelnovakjr: at least you can't complain since you did it for cash :D |
16:37.17 | jasta | For example, I have been programming C for 10 years, and picked up Java simply to tackle my Android project. |
16:37.54 | jasta | dcordes_: But I didn't do it for cash. |
16:37.54 | yakischloba | Sure. I suppose it would help a lot to be around other computer people. I think that would be more conducive to learning than my current solo gig. |
16:37.55 | jasta | dcordes_: For the record, my app is one of the *VERY* few open source Android apps out there. |
16:38.08 | jasta | yakischloba: Nope, probably not. You're just making lame excuses. |
16:38.13 | michaelnovakjr | yea my stuff is all open source |
16:38.16 | yakischloba | haha. ok. |
16:38.17 | jasta | If you aren't interested in building something, just use that excuse :) |
16:38.33 | michaelnovakjr | dcordes_: i don't plan to charge anything for my apps on android |
16:38.54 | yakischloba | I'll tug my panties out of my gash and be cranking out amazing code tomorrow morning. |
16:39.45 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: are you going to complete your project? |
16:39.47 | dcordes_ | I was just alluding to the rewards :) |
16:39.48 | Dougie187 | or is it over? |
16:40.14 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187, the weatherphone is dead six feet under |
16:40.27 | michaelnovakjr | i had started another one but stopped because of the sdk |
16:40.37 | Dougie187 | sad panda |
16:41.02 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
16:41.23 | Dougie187 | i havent even started writing anything yet because of the sdk issue |
16:42.53 | michaelnovakjr | not a bad idea |
16:43.21 | Hai-Fai | sdk issue meaning "'cause new hasn't arrived" or something else with sdk? |
16:43.27 | jasta | dcordes_: the rewards with the ADC are merely a fortunate coincidence for me. |
16:43.34 | jasta | i had already begun my app on Windows Mobile prior to Android :) |
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16:43.44 | dcordes_ | jasta: what's your app? |
16:43.46 | Dougie187 | Hai-Fai: #1 |
16:43.50 | jasta | dcordes_: http://five.googlecode.com |
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16:46.25 | dcordes_ | jasta: I prefer scp to put music on my portable devices :) |
16:46.38 | dcordes_ | looks like a nice program though |
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16:47.19 | jasta | dcordes_: i doubt very much that your approach is popular :) |
16:47.26 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
16:47.30 | michaelnovakjr | scp.... dude why? |
16:47.49 | Dougie187 | lol i dont put music on my portable devices. but i like scp |
16:48.09 | jasta | i dont currently put my music on my phone, or really even my laptop. |
16:48.17 | michaelnovakjr | that's like saying i scp video to my dvr |
16:48.17 | jasta | because it's such a lame, tedious process :) |
16:48.31 | Dougie187 | yeah |
16:48.32 | dcordes_ | also rsync |
16:48.42 | Dougie187 | i would enjoy five for my laptop from my desktop |
16:48.44 | jasta | dcordes_: i also am working on a Rhythmbox plugin to support my system. |
16:48.52 | michaelnovakjr | do you even have a desktop dcordes_ |
16:48.57 | dcordes_ | jasta: ah that program is for streaming? |
16:49.03 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
16:49.07 | jasta | my program? yes. |
16:49.30 | jasta | it syncs meta data passively, then streams content on demand. |
16:49.36 | jasta | and caches it, of course. |
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16:49.55 | Dougie187 | hey jasta can the user specify the cache size? |
16:49.55 | dcordes_ | what does passively mean? |
16:50.09 | Dougie187 | behind the scenes. |
16:50.15 | jasta | dcordes_: the meta data is synchronized on a schedule currently, away from the foreground attetion of the user. |
16:50.32 | dcordes_ | ah automagic, I see |
16:50.35 | jasta | eventually, with GTalk, I hope to support server-side alerts, so that changes in the collection can be immediately sensed and retransmitted to the device. |
16:50.54 | jasta | the server, of course, knows precisely when changes are made and what they are. |
16:51.02 | jasta | the synchronization transmits only those changes |
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16:51.21 | dcordes_ | jasta: are you aiming at 3g data use? |
16:51.29 | jasta | the purpose of this is so that navigating the interface is responsive and local. only audio playback can possibly require network function. |
16:51.47 | jasta | dcordes_: Yes, although I have used my real Windows Mobile handset with some tools I wrote to test the system's performance under various conditions. |
16:51.50 | jasta | including EDGE and GPRS. |
16:51.59 | jasta | GPRS...uhh, does not work, but EDGE works fine. |
16:52.08 | jasta | 3G works spectacularly well, typically seeing speeds twice as fast as necessary |
16:52.13 | jasta | with only a second or two of warm-up. |
16:52.39 | jasta | dcordes_: Five preempts the user as well. When the current song is done downloading, but still playing, it'll prefetch the next tracks. |
16:52.42 | Dougie187 | hey jasta does the user get to specify the cache size? |
16:53.07 | jasta | Not right now, but my ultimately goal is to use a scheme where the user can choose a size or percentage to honor as free space. |
16:53.15 | Dougie187 | ok |
16:53.24 | jasta | So, rather than say it can use 80% of the SD card, or 1GB or something, you say it can use all *but* 10%. |
16:53.25 | Dougie187 | can a user access the cache? |
16:53.30 | dcordes_ | jasta: 128K mp3 stream works great on my kaiser with umts |
16:53.50 | dcordes_ | didn't try other streaming |
16:53.50 | Dougie187 | for instance in the rhythmbox plugin. |
16:53.51 | jasta | I hope to implement an offline mode, when the radio is off. So only stuff in the cache can be seen/played. |
16:53.58 | Dougie187 | ok |
16:54.05 | jasta | Oh, for the rhythmbox plugin, no. For the eventual FUSE approach, yes. |
16:54.24 | jasta | i mean, it'll just be a bunch of flat files in ~/.five i imagine, so you could access it that way :) |
16:54.37 | Dougie187 | but could you just copy them? |
16:54.54 | jasta | not directly, Rhythmbox wouldn't support this I think. |
16:55.01 | Dougie187 | ok |
16:55.13 | jasta | but as i said, i eventually want to do a FUSE implementation to support all players |
16:55.16 | jasta | and Mac OS X |
16:55.26 | Dougie187 | yeah |
16:55.29 | jasta | but its much more complicated. it will require two components working very closely together |
16:55.48 | jasta | a daemon that can sync the meta data and populate the FUSE mount, and then the FUSE side to actually implement what the daemon populates. |
16:56.37 | Dougie187 | have you seen how it scales with multiple clients accessing the server simultaneous? |
16:56.40 | Dougie187 | ly* |
16:58.46 | jasta | no, but there is no reason to believe it would not work well assuming you have sufficient upstream bandwidth. |
16:59.15 | Dougie187 | define sufficient? |
16:59.15 | jasta | the server uses libsyncml and libsoup (for HTTP), both of which are multiplexing. |
16:59.34 | Dougie187 | i mean 56k is obviously not enough. |
16:59.40 | jasta | well, if you are streaming a 128kbit mp3 from two sources, imagine that you will need 256kbit of upstream ;) |
16:59.55 | jasta | or rather, *to* two sources ;) |
17:00.01 | Dougie187 | yeah |
17:02.41 | jasta | i hope to also support FLAC and a wide range of other formats by transcoding them on-the-fly at the server. |
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17:02.55 | Dougie187 | sounds pretty awesome |
17:02.55 | Dougie187 | im download Planet Earth. |
17:03.02 | Dougie187 | its super slow though. |
17:03.03 | jasta | and it will be, once Google stops jerking us around :) |
17:03.03 | Dougie187 | lol |
17:04.02 | dcordes_ | Dougie187: the spinning 3d globe app? |
17:04.02 | Dougie187 | well, dont expect that to stop anytime soon. |
17:04.02 | Dougie187 | dcordes_: you mean Google Earth. |
17:04.02 | Dougie187 | and no. |
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17:04.06 | dcordes_ | Dougie187: no I don't mean google earth. I mean the spinning 3d globe app. |
17:04.06 | dcordes_ | in android. one of the demos |
17:04.06 | Dougie187 | then again. i would respond no. |
17:04.30 | Dougie187 | the Discovery TV series. |
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17:13.28 | Dougie187 | heh |
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17:13.28 | jasta | Dougie187: well, not suprisingly they cover Challenger and Columbia. |
17:13.28 | jasta | so thats kinda sad |
17:13.28 | dcordes_ | Dougie187: there's no disovery tv here |
17:13.28 | Dougie187 | yeah |
17:13.28 | muthu | man on moon |
17:13.28 | muthu | was that shot off florida? |
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17:55.45 | spykid | Haha, who was asking what Euro2008 is? - http://germany.usembassy.gov/warden/2008-06-24/index2.html |
17:55.54 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
17:56.48 | Dougie187 | ... |
17:56.59 | Dougie187 | you tend to be a day behind in ever conversation. |
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17:57.57 | Dougie187 | hey jasta you around? |
18:00.58 | Dougie187 | brb |
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18:04.05 | Dougie187 | back |
18:08.00 | jasta | yeah |
18:08.40 | muthu | yo |
18:08.56 | muthu | jasta want to show you something |
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19:26.17 | jasta | what? |
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20:40.55 | Dougie187 | (its his weiner) |
20:40.58 | Dougie187 | (look out) |
20:41.06 | thesnark | ...what |
20:42.22 | jasta | why, what? |
20:42.29 | jasta | err |
20:42.33 | jasta | i meant yea, what? :) |
20:43.22 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
20:43.40 | michaelnovakjr | is there an issue tracker for the android kernel |
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20:45.23 | jasta | i dont think so |
20:47.17 | jasta | but there is a mailing list, with what i imagine is very little traffic |
20:47.23 | jasta | so its probably a good place for that |
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20:58.08 | Dougie187 | lol did you get what i was talking about jasta? |
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21:12.24 | Dougie187 | jasta you here? |
21:12.33 | f00f- | nah he cut |
21:12.40 | Dougie187 | cut what? |
21:13.26 | f00f- | g-speak broski |
21:13.39 | Dougie187 | g-speak? |
21:13.41 | Dougie187 | wtf is that? |
21:13.52 | michaelnovakjr | google-speak> |
21:13.54 | f00f- | forget it |
21:13.55 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
21:14.00 | Dougie187 | f00f-: who are you? |
21:14.05 | Dougie187 | crazy ass. |
21:17.33 | jasta | oh lord |
21:17.45 | jasta | we're getting a new telecom provider in our Idaho office right... |
21:17.58 | jasta | it was supposed to be all set up on Friday, but they delayed pretty significantly to July 8th |
21:18.07 | Dougie187 | lol |
21:18.15 | jasta | so i called our existing provider and said "hey, delay the cancelation to July 15th" (from July 3rd) |
21:18.16 | Dougie187 | hey jasta wanna test my pptp server? |
21:18.22 | jasta | they are "not sure if they can do that" |
21:18.45 | jasta | and that they're going to charge us $200 to make the change, assuming they are capable. |
21:19.00 | jasta | i have no idea what the hell they are talking about. shutting off T-1 service? what the fuck work do you have to do!? |
21:19.25 | Dougie187 | lol |
21:19.29 | Dougie187 | that sucks |
21:20.22 | jasta | it's not like they laid the damn line |
21:20.30 | jasta | and even if they did, its not like you'd unwire it. |
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21:29.58 | yogaboy | The emulator on my Linux box is kind of slow. I wonder if I upgrade to 2 GHz CPU, how good will it be? |
21:31.32 | f00f- | who knows |
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21:36.29 | yogaboy | What is the speed of CPU for ok development Android? |
21:36.44 | f00f- | i clock my laptop at around 1.60 GHz |
21:36.45 | f00f- | and it's usable |
21:36.48 | Dougie187 | isnt there a system requirements? |
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21:38.39 | Dougie187 | http://code.google.com/android/intro/installing.html#developmentrequirements |
21:39.29 | yogaboy | I don't have "Open run dialog" menu in my eclipse, althought I installed the Android JDT. How come? |
21:40.09 | f00f- | you have it |
21:40.16 | f00f- | go into the java perspective |
21:40.26 | f00f- | and it's not a menu buddy, it's in the Run menu |
21:41.35 | yogaboy | f00f-: I am in Java EE perspective. but I don't have "Open run dialog" |
21:41.57 | f00f- | what do you have |
21:41.59 | f00f- | that is similar |
21:44.56 | yogaboy | I just have "Run" Ctrl-F11 and "Debug" F11 etc, but not "Open Run Dialog". |
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21:51.54 | yogaboy | f00f-: Do you emulator respond ok? |
21:57.59 | f00f- | it's ok |
21:58.00 | f00f- | not perfect |
21:58.06 | f00f- | click runthen |
21:58.10 | f00f- | Click Run |
21:58.15 | f00f- | create new launch config |
21:58.16 | f00f- | for android |
21:59.40 | yogaboy | f00f-: How long it take for your emulator to start the Hello World? |
21:59.56 | f00f- | emulator boots in around 3-5 minutes |
22:00.05 | f00f- | hello world starts in about 5 seconds |
22:01.38 | yogaboy | Does anyone had a 2GHz CPU, and how long is it to start the emulator and the Hello World? |
22:02.17 | jasta | yogaboy: the emulator is miserably slow, even on fast hardware. though, for some reason it does seem to perform better on macs. |
22:04.04 | f00f- | i have a 2.13 GHz CPU that runs the emulator |
22:04.10 | f00f- | but i step it down to 1.60 due to heat issues |
22:04.12 | yogaboy | My emulator is just show the giant moving rad dot, I guess it's still starting up. |
22:04.18 | f00f- | i also have ran it on a Cure Duo |
22:04.23 | f00f- | at around 1.8 or so |
22:04.25 | michaelnovakjr | i have a 2.8 dual core with 4gigs of ram and the emulator is slow |
22:04.26 | f00f- | and runs bloody fast |
22:04.29 | f00f- | too fast for comfort |
22:05.15 | yogaboy | michaelnovakjr: How fast is your Hello World? |
22:05.28 | michaelnovakjr | what do you mean? |
22:05.34 | michaelnovakjr | its just a string |
22:05.45 | Dougie187 | lol |
22:05.55 | f00f- | hahahhahahaha |
22:05.55 | f00f- | rofl |
22:06.04 | yogaboy | How long it take's to start Hello World after the emulator started? |
22:06.12 | f00f- | dude it takes 5 seconds |
22:06.15 | f00f- | is that too long to wait? |
22:06.17 | michaelnovakjr | it starts right away |
22:06.34 | michaelnovakjr | it calls one ui file and loads 'just one' string |
22:06.45 | michaelnovakjr | its the emulator that can take awhile to boot |
22:06.55 | f00f- | he understands that |
22:07.03 | f00f- | well HW proabyl takes 1-2 sce |
22:07.13 | yogaboy | I am still looking at the red gient dot move on the emulator. |
22:07.23 | f00f- | shit, apps on my symbian phone take more time to start than on the emulator |
22:07.32 | f00f- | yofaboy |
22:07.35 | jasta | yogaboy: if you're curious, invoke the emulator with -verbose |
22:07.50 | jasta | it pipes the kernels output to stdout |
22:07.53 | michaelnovakjr | yogaboy: if you try to catch the red dot it might stop loading and show you the app :) |
22:07.57 | f00f- | it's still booting yogaboy |
22:08.32 | yogaboy | f00f-: Yes, it still booting. |
22:09.01 | michaelnovakjr | yogaboy: you are trying this on linux |
22:09.21 | jasta | coughs and reminds yogaboy to use -verbose |
22:09.39 | yogaboy | michaelnovakjr: Yes, I am using OpenSuse 11 on 1.3 GHZ CPU. |
22:10.16 | michaelnovakjr | oh ew opensuse, its probably some microsoft code Novell slipped in your machine |
22:10.17 | yogaboy | Ah, I see it now, my Hello Wold finally show up! |
22:10.21 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
22:10.28 | f00f- | bro, dont go there |
22:10.29 | michaelnovakjr | now don't turn the emulator off! |
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22:10.54 | jasta | i just pictured f00f snapping his fingers and flipping us all attitude |
22:10.59 | michaelnovakjr | hahahaha |
22:11.06 | jasta | really made me chuckle at my desk here |
22:11.07 | michaelnovakjr | that is exactly how i understood it jasta |
22:11.13 | Dougie187 | lol |
22:11.18 | Dougie187 | too bad he didnt add girlfriend to it |
22:11.24 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
22:11.40 | michaelnovakjr | yogaboy: you should really run it again with verbose on to see what it gets hung on |
22:11.49 | yogaboy | Now how do I run the apps again without restart the emulator? |
22:11.50 | f00f- | haha |
22:13.01 | michaelnovakjr | isn't that documented somewhere.... check out the getting started guide at http://code.google.com/android |
22:14.01 | jasta | yogaboy: just run them. escape, btw, is equivalent to the phones back key |
22:14.42 | michaelnovakjr | also clicking the back button is too |
22:14.44 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
22:14.50 | michaelnovakjr | on that note.... |
22:14.56 | michaelnovakjr | be back later |
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23:14.03 | muthu | yo |
23:14.59 | jasta | these women in customer service make me wish we didn't let women in the work place. |
23:15.11 | jasta | however, the women in project management make me glad we did :) |
23:15.16 | jasta | hehe |
23:15.47 | jasta | i sometimes just feel like standing up and yelling over the cubes "SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT YOUR CAT!" |
23:20.47 | muthu | why women in customer service are good |
23:21.28 | muthu | women are so important for our workplace |
23:21.36 | jerkface03 | lol |
23:21.38 | jerkface03 | psycho |
23:23.01 | jasta | hehe, one of my friends is big about the women in technology kick. we disagree on a lot of topics in that area ;0 |
23:24.41 | jasta | not that i have a problem with the end goal, i just think specializing it by industry and in adulthood makes no sense. it seems obvious enough to me that it's a coarsing social problem that started way before students are picking their majors. |
23:24.51 | jasta | coursing* |
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23:27.22 | muthu | hey, waiting for gphone |
23:27.30 | muthu | meanwhile which phone to buy? |
23:27.50 | muthu | jasta: what phone you have now? |
23:28.24 | jasta | i have a moto q9h, and while i hate windows mobile, i just adore the keyboard on this device. |
23:28.36 | jasta | it stands out to me as one of my favorite phones i've used for that reason |
23:30.08 | jasta | i do a lot of texting and emailing from my phone |
23:30.48 | f00f- | oh |
23:31.02 | f00f- | cant wait to upgrade firmware on my N95 and possibly brick it |
23:31.32 | jasta | ive actually never owned a nokia phone |
23:31.41 | jasta | somehow, they have never appealed to me |
23:31.51 | jasta | maybe i just dont know what im talking about :) |
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23:32.23 | f00f- | yes probably |
23:33.42 | muthu | nokia seems to be popular |
23:33.51 | muthu | n95 for its video thingy |
23:34.43 | jasta | btw, i am going to punch someone in the teeth if they manufacturer the first android phone without a standard 3.5mm headphone jack |
23:34.56 | Dougie187 | lol |
23:35.08 | jasta | i cant stand how many smartphones require stupid adapters just to plug in headphones or aux in your car |
23:35.13 | Dougie187 | true. |
23:35.21 | Dougie187 | but do you think they will oppose that convention? |
23:35.35 | jasta | well, most of the good smartphones do have 3.5mm headphone jacks :) |
23:35.38 | f00f- | many have 2.5mm jack |
23:35.39 | jasta | like, apparently, this n95 and the iPhone |
23:35.42 | f00f- | glad mine has 3.5mm :P |
23:35.55 | f00f- | i dont know what video thingy you speak of muthu |
23:36.01 | muthu | probably will get a nokia |
23:36.03 | jasta | f00f-: all the ones ive used require adapters that use the same port for power and headphones |
23:36.09 | jasta | so you cant even hcarge it while you listen |
23:36.10 | jasta | stupid |
23:36.14 | f00f- | jasta they may not be smart phones :P |
23:36.20 | muthu | f00f-: n95 supports 3g/video |
23:36.23 | jasta | all the winmo handsets are like that |
23:36.31 | f00f- | muthu: all phones support video..... |
23:36.35 | Dougie187 | that is retarded. |
23:36.35 | f00f- | oh ok |
23:36.49 | muthu | since nokia has opensourced symbian.. i'm beginning to like them |
23:37.04 | jasta | yeah that is exciting news |
23:37.10 | jasta | unfortunately, Symbian code is an absolute mess |
23:37.21 | muthu | yeah, heard programming symbian is hell |
23:37.22 | f00f- | yeah it's utter shit that needs major rewriting for 21st century |
23:37.23 | jasta | coding for it is very clumsy |
23:37.36 | f00f- | _L("hello, world string"); |
23:38.02 | muthu | woah |
23:38.04 | f00f- | Open C needs to become a first-class citizen |
23:38.15 | muthu | anything with underscore, is a complete screwup |
23:38.19 | f00f- | keep the kernel and rip out everything else and start over |
23:38.47 | muthu | lots of underscores in python too ;) |
23:38.52 | f00f- | we'll see if on demand paging makes gmail start in less than 10 seconds |
23:39.27 | muthu | gmail is acting a bit wierd these days |
23:39.57 | muthu | and OM seems to have a problem with his google domain account |
23:40.07 | jasta | well actually, that _L is normally an internationalization thing. |
23:40.09 | f00f- | so you know om right |
23:40.20 | jasta | and its not too horrible when you think about how much power it has. |
23:40.23 | f00f- | i was at the sun startup camp a few weeks ago |
23:40.28 | f00f- | and they accidentally gave me his badge |
23:40.30 | f00f- | until i realized |
23:41.00 | muthu | jasta: have you seen this IO photo? |
23:41.07 | jasta | which? |
23:41.21 | muthu | f00f-: really? |
23:41.33 | muthu | i know OM, he doesn't know me :) |
23:41.44 | muthu | jasta: let me show you |
23:41.46 | f00f- | muthu: yeah, same last name, but i aint no Ommmmmmmmmmmmmm |
23:41.51 | muthu | haha |
23:42.01 | muthu | yeah, now i know why it got mixed up |
23:42.05 | muthu | lol |
23:42.26 | f00f- | oh the pic from facebook |
23:42.28 | f00f- | with jasta on the left |
23:42.48 | muthu | oh yeah! |
23:42.50 | f00f- | where di i see that |
23:42.54 | f00f- | oh here |
23:43.02 | f00f- | http://photos-g.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v248/129/13/742180340/n742180340_3381886_2120.jpg |
23:43.03 | jasta | huh? |
23:43.08 | muthu | check it out |
23:43.24 | f00f- | still wearin that same jacket muthu? :) |
23:43.27 | jasta | aww nuts, you get to see my nervous tick. |
23:43.39 | Dougie187 | lol |
23:43.39 | muthu | f00f-: that's not mine in fact |
23:43.45 | Dougie187 | playing with your wristband? |
23:43.50 | jasta | yeah. i did that a lot. |
23:44.02 | muthu | actually, that was the good part in IO |
23:44.04 | jasta | i hardly even wanted to take it off when it came night time because i had been playing with it all damn day |
23:44.05 | muthu | the meeting with jasta |
23:44.17 | jasta | i really enjoyed getting smashed that night :) |
23:44.18 | f00f- | LOL |
23:44.27 | Dougie187 | who else is there? |
23:44.52 | muthu | f00f-: who's next to jasta? |
23:44.56 | muthu | don't remember his name |
23:44.58 | f00f- | the guy |
23:45.02 | jasta | to my left? some dude. he gave me a business card or something |
23:45.05 | jasta | i doubt i still have it |
23:45.09 | f00f- | i think the guy on the right came to the dinner thing |
23:45.10 | Dougie187 | whos on the right? |
23:45.10 | muthu | the other guy is vergil |
23:45.16 | f00f- | oh right |
23:45.27 | muthu | behind me is travis |
23:46.06 | f00f- | wow, i didnt realize that restaurant had nice backdrop |
23:46.11 | f00f- | http://photos-a.ak.facebook.com/photos-ak-sf2p/v248/129/13/742180340/n742180340_3381776_7409.jpg |
23:46.30 | jasta | a girl? lies! :) |
23:46.37 | jasta | that must be f00f's girl |
23:46.49 | f00f- | hahaha |
23:46.59 | f00f- | no that's muthu's teammate |
23:47.00 | f00f- | har har |
23:47.07 | jasta | but you totally hit that, right? :) |
23:47.28 | muthu | ha, this is a good one |
23:47.41 | muthu | zach is so cool |
23:47.57 | muthu | so is amir |
23:48.10 | muthu | so is travis and finn |
23:48.25 | muthu | that was a long night :) |
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23:51.10 | muthu | i think that's the only IO photo of me |
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23:51.38 | jasta | whose facebook account uploaded those? |
23:52.14 | muthu | jasta: you got facebook? |
23:52.28 | jasta | uhhhhhh no |
23:52.32 | Dougie187 | lol |
23:52.34 | Dougie187 | i do. |
23:52.46 | Dougie187 | but the only reason i got facebook was so my wife's facebook would say "Married to" |
23:52.54 | Dougie187 | i refuse to get myspace though |
23:53.25 | muthu | friendfeed is cool |
23:53.43 | Dougie187 | don't you mean lame? |
23:54.10 | muthu | Dougie187: get off the games, and get into SN |
23:54.15 | muthu | you'll have more fun |
23:54.27 | Dougie187 | hah |
23:54.28 | Dougie187 | yeah right. |
23:54.29 | f00f- | explain, while i run to ameeting |
23:54.32 | Dougie187 | i dont have fun stalking people. |
23:54.39 | f00f- | add random people you dont know |
23:54.40 | f00f- | etc. |
23:55.01 | Dougie187 | your like "yay this is awesome, i love pretending i have 100's of friends" |
23:55.02 | Dougie187 | lol |