| 00:00.13 | umdk1d4 | darnit my whois gives me away |
| 00:00.32 | f00f- | it does? |
| 00:00.41 | umdk1d4 | lol yea montana |
| 00:00.50 | f00f- | if you say so :) |
| 00:01.22 | f00f- | so what app did you do? |
| 00:01.34 | umdk1d4 | gahhhh lol |
| 00:01.41 | f00f- | man i am so bad with names |
| 00:01.51 | umdk1d4 | trying to keep irc nick and irl name apart |
| 00:02.10 | umdk1d4 | i think we met in dalvik sessn |
| 00:02.15 | umdk1d4 | i nwas in brown stiped shirt |
| 00:02.19 | f00f- | "if you carry a double-oh number it means license to kill, not get killed" |
| 00:02.25 | f00f- | tall guy |
| 00:02.29 | umdk1d4 | yea |
| 00:02.30 | f00f- | right |
| 00:02.32 | f00f- | hahahah |
| 00:02.33 | umdk1d4 | thatsme lol |
| 00:02.36 | f00f- | i should have written down your name |
| 00:02.42 | umdk1d4 | :P |
| 00:02.51 | umdk1d4 | idk that i ever told you |
| 00:03.07 | f00f- | i could grep the logs, but not important right now |
| 00:03.11 | f00f- | so what is the interview for? android stuff? |
| 00:03.17 | umdk1d4 | kinda |
| 00:03.28 | umdk1d4 | its android related ;) |
| 00:03.44 | umdk1d4 | well actually yea it is for android |
| 00:04.04 | umdk1d4 | inter viewing with one of teh OHA membarz |
| 00:04.17 | umdk1d4 | ^.^ |
| 00:04.57 | f00f- | nice |
| 00:04.58 | f00f- | grats |
| 00:05.14 | f00f- | probably nvidia |
| 00:05.22 | umdk1d4 | hopefully i actually make itt there at a decent hour |
| 00:05.33 | f00f- | indeed |
| 00:05.41 | f00f- | interview must be tomorrow then |
| 00:05.54 | umdk1d4 | yea |
| 00:06.40 | umdk1d4 | yay almost at front of hourlong line |
| 00:06.40 | umdk1d4 | bbl |
| 00:06.48 | f00f- | man i'm having such a hard time picturing an android dev from montana |
| 00:06.55 | f00f- | just the reality of it |
| 00:07.04 | f00f- | good luck |
| 00:07.05 | umdk1d4 | im not from there originally |
| 00:07.08 | umdk1d4 | kthx |
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| 00:20.39 | trigatch4 | sucks for you guys... |
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| 01:06.59 | jasta | umdk1d4: hi :) |
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| 02:16.36 | jasta | you guys want a mind bender? |
| 02:16.38 | jasta | http://www.kloonigames.com/crayon/ |
| 02:18.01 | duey | fun gamethat |
| 02:39.49 | raidfive | sweet, android delays |
| 02:40.16 | raidfive | why am I not surprised? |
| 02:43.24 | duey | like who didn't see that coming :) |
| 02:44.29 | duey | although: http://googlewatch.eweek.com/content/hello_android/journal_weaves_fud_web_for_google_android.html |
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| 03:38.32 | pinPoint | man is android a mistake?! |
| 03:41.11 | trigatch4 | no it is not |
| 03:41.20 | trigatch4 | but that kloonigames crayon game is SWEET! |
| 03:43.51 | pinPoint | how long before this is over |
| 03:44.06 | pinPoint | it looks bad right now, i know its an OS and it will take long. |
| 03:44.13 | pinPoint | but most manuf. are ahead big time |
| 03:56.59 | buster__ | ?? |
| 03:57.11 | buster__ | what looks bad? |
| 03:57.17 | buster__ | there isnt even a phone out |
| 03:57.18 | buster__ | so |
| 03:57.20 | buster__ | ... |
| 03:57.51 | buster__ | and why do you compare android to manufacturers? |
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| 04:34.47 | pinPoint | i meant other OS manuf. |
| 04:34.54 | pinPoint | sorry, will wait patiently :) |
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| 04:35.54 | f00f- | yeah you better, or else you'll get the backhand. |
| 04:36.03 | f00f- | so much misinformation about android, it's not even funny., |
| 04:36.21 | f00f- | some people think it's a phone |
| 04:36.26 | f00f- | other think it's an OEM |
| 04:36.34 | f00f- | and then some others think it's an API |
| 04:36.48 | f00f- | some even think it's an application that'll run anywhere |
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| 04:38.33 | jasta | i know a Google employee who think sthat. |
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| 05:20.43 | yakischloba | what exactly is everyone hububbing/being disgruntled about right now? despite watching the conversation for a day or so I still haven't really understood what the problem is. SDK release is being pushed back or something? |
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| 06:20.27 | jasta | yakischloba: the news that you heard today is just drivel, reported on by folks who did not read any of the initial news coming out of Google. |
| 06:20.37 | jasta | but we are still hubbubing about past evils ;) |
| 06:21.06 | yakischloba | hah. are they resolved, or is the project heading in a less-than-savory direction? |
| 06:21.16 | jasta | well, long term i think we're fine. |
| 06:21.24 | jasta | read the latest entry on my blog to be filled in, devtcg.org |
| 06:21.54 | yakischloba | thx |
| 06:27.16 | jasta | yakischloba: this bit of "news" was discored over in mid May, however has not been reported on anywhere major to date. |
| 06:27.45 | jasta | Instead, the news sites picked up this fake drivel that Android is being delayed. Google's initial committed release date was "2nd half of 2008", and they have simply clarified that date as 4th quarter, 2008. |
| 06:27.57 | yakischloba | oh. nonsense. |
| 06:28.01 | jasta | Some nitwits interpreted that as a delay. |
| 06:28.43 | jasta | But, there is still genuine unrest in the community at large over the lame NDA issue, and lack of public releases. |
| 06:29.05 | jasta | Also, the claims in a lot of the news sites say that developers are frustrated by the unstable SDK. Bollocks. To date, we've only had two major releases: M3 was first, M5 came after, with API and UI changes. |
| 06:29.19 | jasta | So if by "all the changes", they meant the 1, then I guess :) |
| 06:29.46 | jasta | Most devs are upset because they aren't being given the opportunity to have an unstable SDK :) |
| 06:30.19 | jasta | Instead we quietly wait on the sidelines for a release that actually lets us get back to work again. |
| 06:30.34 | jasta | Gotta go |
| 06:30.35 | jasta | later |
| 06:36.47 | yakischloba | Thanks. cya. |
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| 10:01.37 | scorpion032 | hello |
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| 12:39.04 | Dougie187 | Good Morning. |
| 12:39.11 | Dougie187 | ohh a new topic? |
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| 13:12.08 | michaelnovakjr | hm, did they release an sdk at a developer day? |
| 13:12.18 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:12.58 | Dougie187 | yeah right. |
| 13:12.58 | michaelnovakjr | so then i guess no one went? |
| 13:13.23 | Dougie187 | i dont know anyone who went. |
| 13:13.45 | michaelnovakjr | yea, me either |
| 13:14.16 | Dougie187 | i dont even know where they were. |
| 13:14.35 | michaelnovakjr | same here :) |
| 13:16.15 | michaelnovakjr | i'm excited that i have my linux dual booted on mc |
| 13:16.16 | michaelnovakjr | mac |
| 13:16.35 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 13:16.37 | Dougie187 | through boot camp? |
| 13:16.47 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 13:16.51 | Dougie187 | thats cool |
| 13:17.34 | michaelnovakjr | it uses a modified EFI loader |
| 13:17.48 | michaelnovakjr | the linux distro itself worked out of the box |
| 13:17.52 | michaelnovakjr | no configuration needed |
| 13:18.22 | Dougie187 | thats really cool |
| 13:21.09 | michaelnovakjr | i'm liking it |
| 13:21.24 | michaelnovakjr | especially since i use linux for a lot of stuff |
| 13:21.32 | michaelnovakjr | and vmware just wasn't cutting it |
| 13:22.23 | Dougie187 | true. |
| 13:22.39 | Dougie187 | if my laptop had a better graphics card, i wouldnt need to switch to windows ever. |
| 13:22.53 | michaelnovakjr | what graphics card do you have? |
| 13:22.58 | Dougie187 | intel 85225 |
| 13:23.00 | Dougie187 | or something like that |
| 13:23.09 | Dougie187 | good ol' integrated crap |
| 13:23.12 | Dougie187 | (its a laptop) |
| 13:23.20 | michaelnovakjr | haa |
| 13:23.24 | Dougie187 | on my desktop i have an ATI X900 |
| 13:23.26 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:23.30 | michaelnovakjr | my ibm uses ati |
| 13:23.47 | Dougie187 | x900 is very old too |
| 13:23.48 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:23.51 | Dougie187 | completely out-dated. |
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| 13:24.03 | Dougie187 | they are up to like x1950 or something now. |
| 13:24.18 | michaelnovakjr | what kind of processor is in it? |
| 13:24.23 | Dougie187 | desktop or laptop? |
| 13:24.43 | michaelnovakjr | laptop |
| 13:24.50 | Dougie187 | Pentium M 2.0 ghz |
| 13:25.04 | michaelnovakjr | i have that in my ibm |
| 13:25.08 | michaelnovakjr | i have a t30 |
| 13:25.11 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 13:25.17 | Dougie187 | t30 is old though, isnt it? |
| 13:25.19 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 13:25.22 | Dougie187 | like 3 years? |
| 13:25.23 | michaelnovakjr | out-dated :) |
| 13:25.24 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 13:25.27 | Dougie187 | this is 3 years old. |
| 13:25.48 | Dougie187 | 1 gig of ram |
| 13:25.49 | michaelnovakjr | it runs windows just fine, which is all it has to do now :_ |
| 13:25.56 | michaelnovakjr | yea i put 1 gig in mine too |
| 13:25.59 | Dougie187 | its a tablet. |
| 13:26.02 | Dougie187 | dvd burner. |
| 13:26.18 | Dougie187 | all that jazz |
| 13:26.24 | Dougie187 | but i just need a better video card |
| 13:26.28 | Dougie187 | if it had that, i would be set. |
| 13:26.35 | Dougie187 | i dont really need the tablet anymore though |
| 13:26.44 | michaelnovakjr | i here that |
| 13:26.50 | Dougie187 | i used it in my undergrad a ton |
| 13:26.52 | michaelnovakjr | graphics card is important |
| 13:26.59 | Dougie187 | but now, i dont use it that much |
| 13:27.14 | Dougie187 | all my classes have programming assignments, and i can just take notes in a composition notebook. |
| 13:27.35 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 13:27.43 | Dougie187 | and make new friends at the same time |
| 13:27.55 | Dougie187 | then my composition notebook is my SN and my Notes |
| 13:28.04 | michaelnovakjr | hha |
| 13:28.57 | Dougie187 | either way, i want to get a thinkpad at some point. |
| 13:29.35 | michaelnovakjr | thinkpads are nice |
| 13:29.45 | michaelnovakjr | i like the xps 13.3 inch laptop |
| 13:29.50 | michaelnovakjr | i'd like to get one of those |
| 13:29.57 | Dougie187 | i was going to get one of those. |
| 13:29.59 | Dougie187 | like the M1330? |
| 13:30.51 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 13:31.20 | Dougie187 | i thought it was really cool, but the keyboard feels weird, and i read some reviews saying it misses keystrokes about 1/40 of the time. |
| 13:31.32 | Dougie187 | so it skips 1 out of 40 keys. |
| 13:31.49 | michaelnovakjr | hm |
| 13:32.05 | Dougie187 | they had one at my sams club, and i couldn't get use to typing in the 30 seconds i was standing there, but thats not saying much |
| 13:32.06 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 13:32.32 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 13:32.54 | Dougie187 | i found you get more for your money with the thinkpads too, but it all depends on what your looking for |
| 13:32.58 | Dougie187 | you dont get the hdmi out on the thinkpad |
| 13:33.16 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 13:34.03 | Dougie187 | but i didnt even know if the hdmi would work in linux. |
| 13:34.28 | michaelnovakjr | not sure |
| 13:34.35 | michaelnovakjr | haven't tried it |
| 13:35.08 | Dougie187 | dell offers redhad and novell now. |
| 13:35.39 | michaelnovakjr | and ubuntu |
| 13:35.57 | Dougie187 | yeah i knew ubuntu |
| 13:36.00 | Dougie187 | i didnt know the other two |
| 13:36.12 | Dougie187 | they have been supporting ubuntu for like 2 years now |
| 13:36.15 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 13:36.26 | Dougie187 | lol, they arn't shipping with hardy though |
| 13:36.29 | Dougie187 | its still gutsy |
| 13:36.41 | michaelnovakjr | thats annoying |
| 13:36.55 | Dougie187 | one thing you might look at too |
| 13:37.01 | Dougie187 | is price the one with windows to see if its cheaper. |
| 13:37.17 | Dougie187 | also, you can get the nvs card with that |
| 13:37.52 | michaelnovakjr | why would the windows one be cheaper? |
| 13:38.11 | Dougie187 | it was when they came out. |
| 13:38.23 | Dougie187 | the m**30 series at least |
| 13:38.26 | michaelnovakjr | weird |
| 13:38.26 | Dougie187 | 1530 and 1330 |
| 13:38.27 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 13:38.31 | Dougie187 | i was like what? thats retarded. |
| 13:38.37 | michaelnovakjr | you don't have to pay for a dumb windows license |
| 13:38.41 | Dougie187 | i know |
| 13:38.49 | Dougie187 | but you are paying for the "dvd capabilities" |
| 13:39.08 | Dougie187 | so someone doesnt have to do "sudo apt-get install libcss" |
| 13:39.09 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:39.12 | Dougie187 | or what ever it is |
| 13:39.41 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 13:42.41 | Dougie187 | well, i think its time for me to switch to windows and play some video games. |
| 13:42.42 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:42.43 | Dougie187 | brb |
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| 13:49.04 | trigatch4 | wow... you guys see the news today? |
| 13:49.10 | trigatch4 | not android... but effects android |
| 13:49.21 | trigatch4 | http://www.symbianfoundation.org/ |
| 13:50.48 | Dougie187 | a new mobile platform? |
| 13:50.58 | michaelnovakjr | it costs 1500 |
| 13:50.59 | michaelnovakjr | screw it |
| 13:51.14 | Dougie187 | no, thats for members to join the foundation |
| 13:51.23 | Dougie187 | for like corporations. |
| 13:51.28 | Dougie187 | like all the people at the bottom |
| 13:51.51 | michaelnovakjr | i see |
| 13:52.05 | michaelnovakjr | it doesn't give dev specifics though |
| 13:52.07 | Dougie187 | thats why they say low annual fee. |
| 13:52.15 | Dougie187 | no, but look at the members. |
| 13:52.19 | Dougie187 | a lot are in the OHA |
| 13:52.30 | michaelnovakjr | not carriers |
| 13:52.35 | Dougie187 | Tmobile |
| 13:52.43 | michaelnovakjr | ah there's tmobile |
| 13:52.50 | Dougie187 | the only two carriers they have afaik are ATT and Tmobile |
| 13:52.53 | michaelnovakjr | logo is two light |
| 13:53.01 | Dougie187 | they have Vodaphone too |
| 13:53.01 | michaelnovakjr | too |
| 13:53.09 | Dougie187 | brb |
| 13:53.09 | michaelnovakjr | orange |
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| 13:53.17 | trigatch4 | how insane is that? |
| 13:53.27 | michaelnovakjr | they don't have anything yet |
| 13:53.35 | trigatch4 | iPhone, Android, Limo, Symbian |
| 13:53.37 | michaelnovakjr | no dev resources |
| 13:53.40 | trigatch4 | a whole bunch of "me too" |
| 13:53.49 | trigatch4 | yeah they are a LONG way away |
| 13:53.56 | trigatch4 | but its very interesting news |
| 13:54.16 | michaelnovakjr | i'll believe it when i see it |
| 13:54.25 | michaelnovakjr | that's early to make an announcement |
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| 13:56.03 | michaelnovakjr | coffee time |
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| 14:03.20 | trigatch4 | well there is a press conference today |
| 14:03.36 | trigatch4 | you can watch live... i'll dig up the link if you want it... |
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| 14:06.20 | michaelnovakjr | who's conference? |
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| 14:24.55 | spykid | Who was doubting that Android comes to Germany? |
| 14:25.11 | cutmasta | spykid, why do you ask? |
| 14:25.15 | cutmasta | i am from germany |
| 14:25.19 | cutmasta | but id never doubt |
| 14:25.29 | spykid | Yesterday someon doubted it ;) |
| 14:25.31 | cutmasta | ah |
| 14:25.33 | cutmasta | ok |
| 14:25.34 | michaelnovakjr | no one doubted |
| 14:25.48 | cutmasta | why should it not come to germany? |
| 14:25.50 | michaelnovakjr | just said that it isn't certain that it will be among the first |
| 14:25.57 | cutmasta | perhaps |
| 14:26.01 | cutmasta | but thats normal |
| 14:26.01 | michaelnovakjr | google hasn't announced anything |
| 14:26.07 | cutmasta | with new technics |
| 14:26.16 | michaelnovakjr | for all we know the whole world will be supported from day one |
| 14:26.43 | michaelnovakjr | unlikely, but there is no comment from Google on the matter |
| 14:27.18 | spykid | Google said that the partners will announce it when they are ready |
| 14:27.27 | spykid | http://www.xonio.com/news/T-Mobile-Android-Handy-kommt-nach-Plan_32049727.html |
| 14:27.36 | spykid | Now learn german... |
| 14:27.58 | michaelnovakjr | Google's SDK is going to have the international support not carriers |
| 14:28.11 | michaelnovakjr | that wouldn't make sense |
| 14:28.13 | spykid | T-Mobile Germany, Q4 2008 |
| 14:28.39 | michaelnovakjr | are you programming for android |
| 14:29.04 | spykid | I've looked at it and will be doing more in the future |
| 14:29.23 | michaelnovakjr | are you a programmer? |
| 14:29.31 | spykid | I think so |
| 14:29.44 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 14:30.08 | spykid | yes |
| 14:30.56 | michaelnovakjr | what have you written so far for android? |
| 14:31.41 | spykid | Only small things, because of the sdk issue ;) |
| 14:32.14 | michaelnovakjr | what do you mean? what sdk issue? |
| 14:32.47 | spykid | That they didn't release a newer one.. - but I was expecting this |
| 14:33.00 | michaelnovakjr | did you enter the ADC? |
| 14:33.03 | spykid | No |
| 14:33.23 | michaelnovakjr | not interested? |
| 14:33.50 | spykid | No idea what to do... |
| 14:34.07 | spykid | No good |
| 14:34.09 | spykid | idea |
| 14:34.29 | michaelnovakjr | oh boy, if you only knew some of the ideas that were submitted |
| 14:34.42 | michaelnovakjr | i'm sure anything would have done fine |
| 14:34.54 | michaelnovakjr | i'm not even maintaining mine anymore |
| 14:35.24 | spykid | But you still believe in it otherwise you would be here... ;) |
| 14:35.30 | spykid | +not |
| 14:35.41 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 14:36.03 | spykid | Just a little bit disapointed and perhaps you had too high expectations |
| 14:36.39 | michaelnovakjr | not really, just want a new sdk |
| 14:36.53 | michaelnovakjr | i like the platform |
| 14:36.55 | spykid | too |
| 14:38.48 | spykid | I'm amused about all this Nokia/Symbian news today: this could be a good idea or maybe a really bad one - I believe it's a bad idea for Nokia :D |
| 14:39.44 | michaelnovakjr | it might be good |
| 14:40.02 | michaelnovakjr | can't speculate yet because they haven't released any development resources yet |
| 14:40.34 | spykid | If those members stand by it yes, but if SE says: "Good bye and thanks for all the fish" |
| 14:41.10 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 14:41.18 | michaelnovakjr | its open source |
| 14:41.27 | michaelnovakjr | no need for those members |
| 14:41.37 | michaelnovakjr | they don't control the fate |
| 14:41.51 | michaelnovakjr | the community could develop drivers and software that would be great for the platform |
| 14:42.18 | spykid | No, but Sony Ericsonn owns a part of Symbian at the moment and Nokia buys this part and afterwards... |
| 14:42.22 | tethridge | what nokia news? |
| 14:42.24 | tethridge | link? |
| 14:42.49 | michaelnovakjr | www.symbianfoundation.org |
| 14:43.17 | spykid | http://www.symbian-freak.com/news/008/06/paris_and_beibei_cancelled.htm |
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| 14:53.17 | trigatch4 | this will compete head-on with android |
| 14:53.52 | michaelnovakjr | how do we know? |
| 14:53.59 | trigatch4 | look at the members |
| 14:54.02 | michaelnovakjr | they haven't said a thing about it yet |
| 14:54.02 | trigatch4 | and look at their "goal" |
| 14:54.20 | michaelnovakjr | what is the dev platform like? how open source is it? |
| 14:54.36 | michaelnovakjr | that's like saying msn search is a real competitor to Google |
| 14:54.41 | trigatch4 | With this in mind, industry leaders are coming together to establish Symbian Foundation, to bring to life a shared vision and to create the most proven, open and complete mobile software platform - available for free. |
| 14:54.49 | trigatch4 | thats a quote |
| 14:54.59 | michaelnovakjr | i believe google said the same thing |
| 14:55.04 | trigatch4 | my point exactly |
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| 14:55.15 | michaelnovakjr | but google is not completely open source |
| 14:55.35 | michaelnovakjr | i think its a bit premature |
| 14:55.43 | trigatch4 | um |
| 14:55.45 | trigatch4 | premature? |
| 14:55.54 | trigatch4 | symbian has 40% of the freakin smartphone market |
| 14:55.55 | michaelnovakjr | when they release development specs then the picture will be clear |
| 14:56.07 | trigatch4 | they aren't all of a sudden going to crash and burn by opening it up |
| 14:56.18 | michaelnovakjr | yes, but what does open sourcing it mean |
| 14:56.22 | michaelnovakjr | look at java |
| 14:56.32 | michaelnovakjr | that is a good example of moving to open source |
| 14:56.39 | michaelnovakjr | its not eas |
| 14:56.39 | michaelnovakjr | y |
| 14:56.51 | trigatch4 | it sure isn't |
| 14:57.06 | trigatch4 | but if you ask me, this is a direct response to iphone, android, etc... |
| 14:57.13 | trigatch4 | they realize where the market is heading |
| 14:57.29 | michaelnovakjr | iphone isn't in the same category |
| 14:57.31 | trigatch4 | and understand if they don't adjust, and try to copy this concept, they'll be left in the dust |
| 14:57.37 | michaelnovakjr | iphone is as closed as you can get |
| 14:57.44 | trigatch4 | well... |
| 14:57.44 | michaelnovakjr | without taking the phones away from people |
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| 14:58.06 | trigatch4 | conceptually speaking |
| 14:58.12 | trigatch4 | with 3rd parties able to develop for it |
| 14:58.21 | michaelnovakjr | haha, they always have been able to |
| 14:58.33 | michaelnovakjr | i wrote a mobile app like 5 years ago :) |
| 14:58.43 | michaelnovakjr | it wasn't the same but the idea has been there |
| 14:59.06 | trigatch4 | shift in thinking though |
| 14:59.34 | michaelnovakjr | apples third party support is terrible at best |
| 15:00.17 | michaelnovakjr | everyone touts these great concepts and visions and yet none have materialized yet |
| 15:00.56 | michaelnovakjr | the iphone could, but their paranoid senses are just overshadowing the quality |
| 15:01.41 | michaelnovakjr | basically its all speculation until people get phones in their hands and we see if it takes |
| 15:01.56 | michaelnovakjr | until then we should be writing the apps that are on the phones otherwise no one will care! |
| 15:21.31 | spykid | So now i bugged T-Mobile Germany a little bit :D |
| 15:25.13 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 15:25.31 | Dougie187 | what did they say? |
| 15:25.51 | michaelnovakjr | da, don't know |
| 15:25.52 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 15:27.07 | spykid | Dougie187: I've bugged them only about some preorder page. in the article I mentioned before they said Q4 if you haven't read it ;) |
| 15:28.51 | Dougie187 | wtf is magenta flag? |
| 15:29.09 | spykid | Magenta is the color they think they own :D |
| 15:29.35 | Dougie187 | i dont get it. |
| 15:30.25 | Dougie187 | does Magenta Flag insinuate Germany? |
| 15:30.49 | spykid | Nope, go http://www.t-mobile.com/ |
| 15:31.02 | Dougie187 | ok? |
| 15:31.16 | Dougie187 | where is this flag. |
| 15:31.47 | spykid | In front of their buildings... |
| 15:32.02 | Dougie187 | ok. |
| 15:32.07 | Dougie187 | so Magenta Flag = Tmobile. |
| 15:32.22 | spykid | Yes, all their shops, everything Magenta |
| 15:32.36 | michaelnovakjr | wow |
| 15:32.37 | Dougie187 | I guess I think you mis-understood our discussion yesterday. But in addition to that, i dont see anything here that says it will for sure be brought to germany by the end of the year. |
| 15:32.50 | michaelnovakjr | all i have to say is wow |
| 15:32.57 | Dougie187 | i mean all it says is this "T-Mobile Germany explained to us now, however, that the market launch of the first Android phones under magenta flag as planned for the fourth quarter of 2008. " |
| 15:33.21 | Dougie187 | It just says Tmobile will be releasing an android phone Q4 08, not where it will be. |
| 15:33.32 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 15:33.45 | Dougie187 | thats kinda what we were trying to say yesterday. |
| 15:33.53 | Dougie187 | we dont know where they are releasing these things. |
| 15:34.00 | spykid | T-Mobile Germany doesn't speak for T-Mobile USA |
| 15:34.13 | Dougie187 | but Magenta Flag doesnt imply tmobile germany. |
| 15:34.17 | Dougie187 | correct? |
| 15:34.29 | spykid | Yes but they asked T-Mobile germany |
| 15:34.43 | Dougie187 | lol. |
| 15:34.48 | Dougie187 | ok. |
| 15:35.01 | Dougie187 | Also remember, we weren't doubting that they would release a phone in germany. |
| 15:35.17 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 15:35.28 | Dougie187 | first, the discussion was with anno^da telling them that it might not be as easy to get an android phone as they thought it was. |
| 15:35.28 | spykid | You were doubting Q4 and Germany |
| 15:35.31 | michaelnovakjr | t-mobile released iphone only in germany not in america |
| 15:35.33 | Dougie187 | No we werent. |
| 15:35.38 | michaelnovakjr | don't forget that :) |
| 15:36.09 | Dougie187 | spykid: we were simply saying, there is a rather large lack of knowledge on our part (and yours) and its hard to speculate anything at this point, since all of our speculations have been wrong up to here. |
| 15:36.13 | spykid | Yep and T-Mobile USA and T-Mobile Germany now said Q4 |
| 15:36.26 | michaelnovakjr | do you have a link to both? |
| 15:36.42 | Dougie187 | I have just heard T-Mobile said Q4. |
| 15:36.49 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 15:36.51 | Dougie187 | not in what countries it would be dropped. |
| 15:37.13 | Dougie187 | hell, i dont even know if it will be in the US. |
| 15:37.13 | michaelnovakjr | exactly |
| 15:37.16 | Dougie187 | maybe the US launch of android won't be until 2010. |
| 15:37.34 | Dougie187 | we dont know anything, its not like we are trying to squash your dreams of getting an android phone. |
| 15:37.54 | Dougie187 | we are just trying to bring a bit of realism to the conversation. |
| 15:38.00 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 15:38.02 | Dougie187 | especially with everything google has done to us so far. |
| 15:38.10 | michaelnovakjr | we learned to be realistic here the hard way |
| 15:38.33 | spykid | When T-Mobile Germany says Q4 it will be out Q4 in Germany... |
| 15:38.37 | trigatch4 | Android will launch in America first, I would assume |
| 15:38.40 | Dougie187 | in situations regarding android, its probably best to be overly pessimistic, and then be suprised then it is to be overly optimistic. |
| 15:38.52 | Dougie187 | trigatch4: but we dont know, thats all we are saying. |
| 15:39.02 | trigatch4 | that is true |
| 15:39.09 | Dougie187 | spykid: how does tmobile even know android will be released by Q4? |
| 15:39.15 | Dougie187 | google might delay it more. |
| 15:39.16 | michaelnovakjr | exactly |
| 15:39.37 | Dougie187 | Its not out yet, ADC1 is still going, the SDK still requires an NDA. |
| 15:39.46 | trigatch4 | dougie187: to "delay it more" they would have had to "delay it some" already, which they haven't ;) |
| 15:39.53 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:39.57 | Dougie187 | depends what site you read. |
| 15:40.01 | trigatch4 | phandroid |
| 15:40.02 | trigatch4 | obviously |
| 15:40.05 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 15:40.08 | Dougie187 | but they have pushed back dates already. |
| 15:40.10 | michaelnovakjr | androidnerds.com |
| 15:40.13 | Dougie187 | ADC1 dates first off. |
| 15:40.24 | trigatch4 | android hasnt pushed back any dates as far as the release of the OS |
| 15:40.34 | trigatch4 | what carriers DO with the OS is a completely different story |
| 15:40.38 | Dougie187 | they pushed back the original submission dates, and the submission dates for round 2 submission |
| 15:40.57 | michaelnovakjr | the carriers are obviously going to brand the OS and put their own shitty software on the phone |
| 15:41.03 | michaelnovakjr | so they need time to do that |
| 15:41.05 | Dougie187 | and they say that android won't be out until the ADC1 is over. |
| 15:41.18 | trigatch4 | ADC1 is over by August |
| 15:41.18 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: and try to lock it down. |
| 15:41.24 | Dougie187 | yes, |
| 15:41.30 | Dougie187 | but then ADC2 has to start when they get handsets out. |
| 15:41.34 | Dougie187 | and we dont know when that is. |
| 15:41.44 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 15:41.47 | Dougie187 | google is floating past august. |
| 15:42.09 | Dougie187 | the only point we were trying to make yesterday was that we dont know anything. |
| 15:42.24 | michaelnovakjr | exactly |
| 15:42.24 | trigatch4 | i agree that you don't know anything |
| 15:42.27 | trigatch4 | hehe :) |
| 15:42.30 | michaelnovakjr | i really hate speculating |
| 15:42.31 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:42.42 | Dougie187 | thats what round 1 was.. |
| 15:42.42 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:42.46 | trigatch4 | that should be the new channel subject |
| 15:42.54 | trigatch4 | Dougie187>the only point we were trying to make yesterday was that we dont know anything. |
| 15:43.03 | trigatch4 | taken out of context, that is a beauty |
| 15:43.17 | Dougie187 | thanks. |
| 15:43.58 | Dougie187 | lol, i guess spykid gave up. |
| 15:44.02 | spykid | Dougie187: T-Mobile is an OHA member, why should they know when they can/will release someting? |
| 15:44.05 | Dougie187 | NM. |
| 15:44.27 | Dougie187 | spykid: we dont even have a solid date for when android is coming out. |
| 15:44.34 | Dougie187 | we know android is comign out 2nd half of 08 |
| 15:44.42 | Dougie187 | maybe that is going to end up being November 30th |
| 15:44.43 | jasta | yawn |
| 15:44.46 | michaelnovakjr | why does it matter |
| 15:44.49 | spykid | Dougie187: why should you have one before the OHA members? |
| 15:44.53 | michaelnovakjr | my god this is getting annoying |
| 15:45.00 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:45.03 | Dougie187 | i dont get your question. |
| 15:45.33 | Dougie187 | good morning jasta |
| 15:45.44 | Dougie187 | welcome to speculation, round 342 |
| 15:45.51 | Dougie187 | ding |
| 15:46.11 | michaelnovakjr | yea, my god it doesn't stop |
| 15:46.39 | Dougie187 | i dont feel like arguing anymore. ok spykid, germany will have an android phone by december. |
| 15:47.55 | Dougie187 | hows work going michaelnovakjr? |
| 15:48.11 | michaelnovakjr | not bad |
| 15:48.14 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 15:48.19 | Dougie187 | glad to hear it. |
| 15:48.25 | michaelnovakjr | actually germany will have one next wee |
| 15:48.25 | michaelnovakjr | k |
| 15:48.32 | michaelnovakjr | but enough of that ;) |
| 15:48.49 | michaelnovakjr | Dougie187 how's video games going? |
| 15:49.06 | jasta | lol |
| 15:49.18 | Dougie187 | pretty good. |
| 15:49.23 | Dougie187 | i owned some kids at dota earlier. |
| 15:49.31 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 15:49.34 | Dougie187 | got lanaya going. |
| 15:49.39 | Dougie187 | i was hitting for over 700 damage. |
| 15:49.41 | Dougie187 | it was sweet |
| 15:50.07 | Dougie187 | jasta: you playing tonight? |
| 15:50.27 | michaelnovakjr | jasta is gearing up for the german release :) |
| 15:50.27 | jasta | yeah, probably |
| 15:50.39 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:50.48 | Dougie187 | nice. |
| 15:51.27 | Dougie187 | you play any awesome games yet michaelnovakjr? |
| 15:51.48 | michaelnovakjr | i was playing euro2008 |
| 15:51.57 | Dougie187 | wtf is that? |
| 15:53.07 | michaelnovakjr | its a soccer game |
| 15:53.20 | michaelnovakjr | centered around the european cup |
| 15:53.37 | michaelnovakjr | i forgive you that you don't know what it is |
| 15:53.45 | michaelnovakjr | you're american... its not expected :) |
| 15:54.09 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:54.11 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:54.13 | Dougie187 | good |
| 15:54.49 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 15:56.22 | Dougie187 | you play any pc games? |
| 15:56.34 | michaelnovakjr | battlefield |
| 15:56.42 | Dougie187 | battlefield...? |
| 15:56.46 | Dougie187 | theres like 20 out. |
| 15:56.46 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:56.49 | michaelnovakjr | 1942 |
| 15:56.58 | Dougie187 | ohh you like the old school |
| 15:57.06 | Dougie187 | good ol orignal |
| 15:57.07 | michaelnovakjr | by the way.... jsp and tomcat can go jump off a damn bridge |
| 15:57.26 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:57.31 | Dougie187 | ill let them know later today when i hang out with them |
| 15:57.38 | michaelnovakjr | haha\ |
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| 15:58.27 | Dougie187 | good morning mr. romainguy. |
| 15:58.35 | romainguy | hi |
| 15:58.44 | Dougie187 | how are you doing? |
| 15:58.44 | infobot | Dougie187: peachy |
| 15:58.50 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 15:58.50 | romainguy | tired |
| 15:58.52 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:58.53 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 15:58.54 | michaelnovakjr | go to hell infobot |
| 15:58.57 | Dougie187 | peachy? |
| 15:59.40 | Dougie187 | you got a lot of new stuff on your plate romainguy? |
| 15:59.49 | romainguy | always :)) |
| 15:59.56 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 16:00.13 | romainguy | and this morning I just thought about a tool I'd like to write |
| 16:00.21 | michaelnovakjr | oo |
| 16:00.23 | Dougie187 | oh yeah? |
| 16:00.23 | michaelnovakjr | a new tool :) |
| 16:00.26 | Dougie187 | do share. |
| 16:00.36 | romainguy | if/when it's writtent :) |
| 16:00.38 | romainguy | -t |
| 16:00.50 | romainguy | hopefully in the next SDK :p |
| 16:01.06 | Dougie187 | sad panda. |
| 16:01.20 | Dougie187 | how come dan and jason don't come around much anymore? |
| 16:01.32 | romainguy | they weren't in the office for the past few weeks |
| 16:01.33 | michaelnovakjr | they don't want to hear all this speculation bs |
| 16:01.45 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:01.48 | Dougie187 | they dont like talking to us?> |
| 16:01.56 | romainguy | they were busy |
| 16:02.03 | Dougie187 | so we smell bad? |
| 16:02.21 | Dougie187 | it must be bad if they can smell it over irc. |
| 16:02.24 | Dougie187 | either way. |
| 16:02.24 | romainguy | and michaelnovakjr might have a point ;-)) |
| 16:02.47 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:03.08 | Dougie187 | lol i wonder if jason ever came up with that announcement. |
| 16:03.09 | Dougie187 | i doubt it. |
| 16:03.10 | Dougie187 | either way. |
| 16:03.34 | Dougie187 | what do you do for fun romainguy? |
| 16:03.45 | romainguy | I like to take photos |
| 16:03.57 | Dougie187 | what do you take photos of? |
| 16:04.04 | michaelnovakjr | uh Dougie187 |
| 16:04.11 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 16:04.13 | michaelnovakjr | backgrounds for Android homescreen :) |
| 16:04.16 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:04.20 | romainguy | for instance :) |
| 16:05.04 | Dougie187 | do you have an android phone yet? |
| 16:05.22 | michaelnovakjr | no he is testing on an iPhone |
| 16:05.31 | romainguy | I have a few development phones yes |
| 16:05.39 | Dougie187 | do you carry one around with you? |
| 16:05.48 | Dougie187 | and show it off in the bars to get the ladies? |
| 16:06.09 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:06.41 | Dougie187 | your like "Hey Sweetie, Wanna see my new phone?" |
| 16:07.09 | Dougie187 | you would have to think of a better pick up line. |
| 16:07.10 | Dougie187 | but still. |
| 16:07.11 | michaelnovakjr | you're weird :) |
| 16:07.12 | Dougie187 | you get the idea. |
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| 16:07.36 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr: Im trying to lighten the mood! |
| 16:07.41 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:08.11 | Dougie187 | we have speculation, mixed with android phone bar pickup lines. |
| 16:08.27 | Dougie187 | what would you rather talk about? |
| 16:09.23 | michaelnovakjr | food |
| 16:09.37 | Dougie187 | what kinda food do you like romainguy__? |
| 16:09.46 | romainguy__ | the French kind |
| 16:09.56 | Dougie187 | such as? |
| 16:10.01 | Dougie187 | French Toast? |
| 16:10.04 | Dougie187 | and French Fries? |
| 16:10.10 | michaelnovakjr | French Fries |
| 16:10.18 | michaelnovakjr | eclairs are french right? |
| 16:10.26 | Dougie187 | and Escargot |
| 16:10.32 | Dougie187 | but that stuff is nasty. |
| 16:11.27 | Dougie187 | are there any more food types that we have that start with French? |
| 16:11.31 | Dougie187 | those are all i can think of. |
| 16:13.29 | jasta | french cuisine is quite sophisticated. |
| 16:13.57 | michaelnovakjr | i'm irish, don't know much about cuisine |
| 16:14.01 | michaelnovakjr | i like potatoes |
| 16:14.36 | Zba_Phy | Dougie187: français ? |
| 16:15.19 | Dougie187 | potatoes are good. |
| 16:15.19 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:15.30 | Dougie187 | Mash em' boil em' stick em' in a stew. |
| 16:15.48 | Dougie187 | 10 points to who ever gets that quote. |
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| 16:15.59 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
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| 16:16.10 | Dougie187 | maybe dan will |
| 16:16.26 | Dougie187 | with his refreshed mind, after his nice vacation. |
| 16:16.34 | morrildl | I need to just not come here anymore |
| 16:16.38 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:16.41 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:16.42 | morrildl | You'd figure I'd learn |
| 16:16.46 | michaelnovakjr | we are actually talking about food |
| 16:16.47 | morrildl | but I just keep. coming. back. |
| 16:16.49 | Dougie187 | hey dan, what is this quote from? |
| 16:16.50 | Dougie187 | (12:15:29 PM) Dougie187: Mash em' boil em' stick em' in a stew. |
| 16:17.03 | romainguy__ | morrildl: they've been waiting for you for a long time :)) |
| 16:17.10 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:17.27 | morrildl | Dougie187: I am without clue. I am a clue-free zone. |
| 16:17.35 | morrildl | (bonus points if anyone gets where THAT quote is from.) |
| 16:17.38 | Dougie187 | seriously? a room full of nerds, and noone gets it? |
| 16:18.11 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 16:18.16 | Dougie187 | this is disappointing. |
| 16:18.43 | Dougie187 | what kinda food do you like morrildl? |
| 16:19.04 | morrildl | Dougie187: the edible kind |
| 16:19.08 | Dougie187 | we are cooking you guys a dinner, to entice a new sdk release. |
| 16:19.20 | Dougie187 | but, the downside, is you have to travel to different parts of the US to get it. |
| 16:19.26 | michaelnovakjr | can we make the topic, "the only thing we were trying to say yesterday is that we don't know anything" |
| 16:19.35 | michaelnovakjr | not in NYC :) |
| 16:19.36 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:19.47 | michaelnovakjr | NYC has all different types of food from everywhere |
| 16:19.56 | michaelnovakjr | and i mean everywhere |
| 16:19.57 | Dougie187 | but hes no in NYC is he? |
| 16:20.09 | Dougie187 | and i mean not. |
| 16:20.27 | Dougie187 | (btw, my quote is from Lord of the Rings: Fellowship of the Ring) |
| 16:20.37 | michaelnovakjr | ah that is where its form |
| 16:20.38 | michaelnovakjr | from |
| 16:20.54 | Dougie187 | good Ol' Homo Sam says it |
| 16:21.08 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:21.28 | Dougie187 | morrildl: what do you want for dinner? |
| 16:21.41 | morrildl | Dougie187: I just had a breakfast burrito & a Naked juice |
| 16:21.46 | morrildl | It's too early to think about dinner |
| 16:21.51 | Dougie187 | i can make a mean lemon chicken. |
| 16:22.00 | morrildl | So can I. |
| 16:22.03 | morrildl | I am unswerved. |
| 16:22.09 | Dougie187 | mine is meaner. |
| 16:22.12 | michaelnovakjr | i make a mean Tripe |
| 16:22.15 | morrildl | believes it. |
| 16:22.16 | Dougie187 | it will destroy your intenstines. |
| 16:22.36 | michaelnovakjr | what my tripe? |
| 16:22.38 | morrildl | I make lemonade syrup that we point into sparkling water to make sparkling lemonade. |
| 16:22.39 | Dougie187 | how about boxed mac and cheese? |
| 16:22.47 | morrildl | Tripe *is* destroyed intestines, I thought |
| 16:22.52 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
| 16:23.04 | michaelnovakjr | made the italian way, it is soooo good |
| 16:23.13 | Dougie187 | are there potatoes? |
| 16:23.30 | michaelnovakjr | you can have it with pototoes |
| 16:23.36 | Dougie187 | what kind? |
| 16:23.44 | michaelnovakjr | but if you haven't had tripe you should really try it |
| 16:23.49 | michaelnovakjr | boiled |
| 16:23.56 | Dougie187 | boiled potatoes? |
| 16:24.05 | Dougie187 | do you put cheese on them? |
| 16:24.19 | michaelnovakjr | you can |
| 16:24.29 | michaelnovakjr | i put the tripe juice, when i have tripe :) |
| 16:24.30 | Dougie187 | yum |
| 16:24.46 | Dougie187 | i am a fan of cheese |
| 16:25.34 | Dougie187 | sometimes at the grocery store, i will stage a fight before the cheese and the meats, just so i can make the cheese win and cheer for them. Then i give them a Toilet paper trophy. |
| 16:25.49 | Dougie187 | then security comes. |
| 16:26.09 | michaelnovakjr | was this before or after you lost your mind? |
| 16:26.16 | Dougie187 | right in the middle. |
| 16:26.22 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:27.07 | Dougie187 | how come noone ever asks "Was that before or after you got your mind back?" |
| 16:27.17 | Dougie187 | or rather "Found your mind" |
| 16:27.19 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:28.08 | Dougie187 | well i think we have throughly vanquished the conversation of food. |
| 16:28.19 | Dougie187 | now what shall we talk about? |
| 16:28.47 | michaelnovakjr | how about music? |
| 16:29.03 | Dougie187 | that always starts fights. |
| 16:29.37 | Dougie187 | food doesnt, because people arn't too partial to their food. For instance, romainguy__ wouldn't kill me if I said "French food is garbage!" |
| 16:29.48 | Dougie187 | but he might if I told him his favorite band was garbage. |
| 16:30.08 | romainguy__ | no I don't care either way |
| 16:30.22 | michaelnovakjr | what's wrong with garbage? |
| 16:30.34 | Dougie187 | their lead singer... |
| 16:30.36 | Dougie187 | i mean comon.. |
| 16:30.40 | Dougie187 | seriously? |
| 16:31.05 | Dougie187 | well.. i guess they do have that "Cherry Lips" song, and thats rather catchy. |
| 16:31.28 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:31.33 | michaelnovakjr | its all about minus the bear! |
| 16:31.37 | michaelnovakjr | its good stuff |
| 16:31.46 | Dougie187 | im still a SP fan |
| 16:32.08 | Dougie187 | Smashing Pumpkins + Pink Floyd + Led Zeppelin |
| 16:32.16 | Dougie187 | and in the corner i would whisper Journey and Boston |
| 16:32.19 | Dougie187 | but not in public |
| 16:32.24 | trigatch4 | ha! |
| 16:32.52 | Dougie187 | Good ol' steve perry. |
| 16:33.05 | trigatch4 | you guys wanna see a musical genius who has GREAT music for listening to while you work? |
| 16:33.15 | Dougie187 | who? |
| 16:33.19 | trigatch4 | http://youtube.com/ronaldjenkees |
| 16:33.19 | Dougie187 | do tell. |
| 16:33.27 | trigatch4 | dude is off the hook |
| 16:33.27 | Dougie187 | so basically. |
| 16:33.32 | Dougie187 | i shouldn't click that if im at work? |
| 16:33.36 | trigatch4 | no, its fine |
| 16:33.39 | trigatch4 | swear on the holy bible |
| 16:33.40 | Dougie187 | its nsfw? |
| 16:33.43 | trigatch4 | its safe |
| 16:33.50 | trigatch4 | its a guy playing piano/keyboard |
| 16:34.20 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 16:34.22 | trigatch4 | i bought the CD |
| 16:34.24 | trigatch4 | its sick |
| 16:34.33 | trigatch4 | listen to "disorganized fun"... its insanely good |
| 16:34.53 | trigatch4 | i know... he seems like a real douche and a huge nerd... but the guy is a freakin maestro |
| 16:35.01 | Dougie187 | he looks like someone i would punch in the face. |
| 16:35.04 | trigatch4 | no man |
| 16:35.09 | trigatch4 | he is mad chill |
| 16:35.14 | jasta | lol, you swear on the holy bible? |
| 16:35.23 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:35.29 | jasta | what portion of this channel, do you think, cares about that particular swear? :) |
| 16:35.30 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:35.38 | Dougie187 | .0005% |
| 16:35.51 | trigatch4 | well... does it matter if YOU care about the bible or if I do if I am swearing on it |
| 16:36.04 | Dougie187 | well if you and i both dont. |
| 16:36.08 | Dougie187 | then your swear is garbage. |
| 16:36.10 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:36.19 | Dougie187 | you could be swearing on the gum on the bottom of your shoe. |
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| 16:36.34 | trigatch4 | you would swear on a Journey album |
| 16:36.39 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:36.40 | Dougie187 | no i wouldnt. |
| 16:36.45 | Dougie187 | (ps. yes i would) |
| 16:36.47 | trigatch4 | you know how i know your'e gay? because you know what other gay people like. |
| 16:37.00 | trigatch4 | i love that scene (40 year old virgin) |
| 16:37.03 | Dougie187 | you know how i know you're gay? |
| 16:37.11 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 16:37.15 | Dougie187 | you like to have sex with men. |
| 16:37.20 | trigatch4 | you know how I know you're gay? you play second life. |
| 16:37.35 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:37.55 | trigatch4 | well seriously, Ronald Jenkees is amazing |
| 16:38.00 | trigatch4 | watch this one instead... |
| 16:38.01 | Dougie187 | it was decent. |
| 16:38.30 | trigatch4 | http://youtube.com/watch?v=LoFurLevE28 |
| 16:38.44 | trigatch4 | about 45 seconds in it breaks down NASTY |
| 16:38.46 | Dougie187 | i just watched that one. |
| 16:38.51 | trigatch4 | 25 seconds actually |
| 16:39.03 | trigatch4 | tell me thats not some "in the zone" type work music |
| 16:39.05 | Dougie187 | lol, he plays it similar to my cat. |
| 16:39.10 | Dougie187 | as she walks across the piano |
| 16:39.19 | trigatch4 | oh hush |
| 16:39.27 | trigatch4 | you are musically impotent |
| 16:39.28 | trigatch4 | hehe |
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| 16:40.07 | jasta | i swear on the bible he's not |
| 16:40.08 | Dougie187 | i said it was decent. |
| 16:40.24 | Dougie187 | i also enjoy the FF7 soundtrack. |
| 16:40.26 | trigatch4 | jasta: i am going to drop the torah on your foot if you keep it up |
| 16:40.30 | trigatch4 | ;) |
| 16:41.08 | trigatch4 | so you think 99.9999995 of all "programmer" types are atheist? |
| 16:41.11 | jasta | i just thought that expression was cute :) |
| 16:41.13 | trigatch4 | % sorry |
| 16:41.26 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:41.32 | jasta | trigatch4: i dunno, i haven't ever surveyed the religious beliefs of my peers. |
| 16:41.54 | Dougie187 | trigatch4: they can be a lot of stuff and not give a crap about the bible. |
| 16:41.59 | jasta | but, since we're more easily bated into an argument over which editor to use, i'm guessing many think similarly to me. |
| 16:41.59 | Dougie187 | atheist isnt the only option |
| 16:42.10 | Dougie187 | VIM! |
| 16:42.12 | trigatch4 | non-catholic |
| 16:42.14 | trigatch4 | uncatholic |
| 16:42.18 | trigatch4 | de-catholicized |
| 16:42.42 | jasta | but i didnt mean any social commentary by it. |
| 16:42.45 | trigatch4 | or non-christian... but there seems to be more hatred for catholics than for christians in general |
| 16:42.48 | jasta | i just thought it was cute that you said it :) hehe |
| 16:42.56 | jasta | you swear on the bible. i haven't heard that since i was 8. |
| 16:43.00 | trigatch4 | cute... not the look i'm going for but i'll take it! |
| 16:43.04 | Dougie187 | you know how i know your gay? |
| 16:43.06 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:43.46 | trigatch4 | you know how I know you're gay? you're a catholic priest. |
| 16:43.51 | trigatch4 | ;) |
| 16:44.01 | michaelnovakjr | ouch' |
| 16:44.09 | Dougie187 | yeah but your cute. |
| 16:44.14 | Dougie187 | and cute can never be good. |
| 16:44.43 | trigatch4 | cute is never good when you're in the company of catholic priests |
| 16:44.55 | Dougie187 | ... or ever.... |
| 16:45.28 | trigatch4 | yeah right... |
| 16:45.38 | trigatch4 | if a playboy bunny called you "cute" would you object? |
| 16:45.49 | trigatch4 | no... you would erect |
| 16:45.59 | trigatch4 | so cute can be good |
| 16:46.18 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 16:46.23 | trigatch4 | hey jasta: most opinionated soul on the earth. what do you thinkn of the symbian announcement |
| 16:46.24 | Dougie187 | i would object. |
| 16:46.25 | Dougie187 | well |
| 16:46.30 | trigatch4 | you would object? |
| 16:46.34 | Dougie187 | yes |
| 16:46.40 | trigatch4 | you know how i know you're gay? |
| 16:46.42 | Dougie187 | i would be like I beg to differ. |
| 16:46.44 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:46.47 | Dougie187 | tou'che |
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| 17:21.44 | jasta | trigatch4: just because i have strong opinions about Android doesn't mean i am strongly opinionated. i don't know of, or care about, the Symbian announcement :) |
| 17:22.17 | michaelnovakjr | :) |
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| 17:24.41 | muthu | http://www.wired.com/techbiz/media/magazine/16-07/ff_android?currentPage=3 |
| 17:24.47 | muthu | CC coverage - cool! |
| 17:25.57 | Dougie187 | lol i like how you say "I dont know of the Symbian Announcement" but you are talking about it. |
| 17:25.57 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:26.10 | michaelnovakjr | what do you know! the only android apps still in development |
| 17:26.21 | jasta | Dougie187: i dont have any idea what i'm referring to, though :) |
| 17:26.26 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:26.29 | jasta | he just said "the symbian announcement", so i parrotted :) |
| 17:26.41 | muthu | jasta: check out that wired article |
| 17:26.52 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, symbian is going open source |
| 17:27.13 | muthu | Dougie187: michaelnovakjr: you too.. check it out |
| 17:27.29 | michaelnovakjr | i did, there's not much there |
| 17:27.45 | jasta | yeah, i'm getting sick of reading the same old crap i already know ;) |
| 17:27.59 | michaelnovakjr | yea, the slogan same shit different day fits in well |
| 17:28.15 | muthu | haha |
| 17:28.36 | michaelnovakjr | coverage of the four apps allowed to still development for an open source platform |
| 17:28.50 | michaelnovakjr | coverage of four apps* |
| 17:29.09 | trigatch4 | phandroid gets mentioned in that article ;) |
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| 17:29.28 | michaelnovakjr | wow, they are reaching for coverage huh? :) |
| 17:30.07 | muthu | trigatch4: which page? |
| 17:30.08 | michaelnovakjr | androidnerds.com will become available for projects when they actually release another sdk |
| 17:30.19 | michaelnovakjr | otherwise what's the point |
| 17:31.23 | trigatch4 | muthu: page 4... |
| 17:31.27 | trigatch4 | "The virus was spreading. At an event the next day in Israel, the local Google office had to switch locations to handle the overflow crowd. In London, registration for the developer's conference filled up in two hours. Fanboys were putting up sites for the platform: AndroidGuys, Phandroid, Planet Android." |
| 17:31.35 | f00f- | reading article now |
| 17:31.36 | muthu | wow, cool |
| 17:31.52 | jasta | i didnt realize this article was as long as it is |
| 17:31.55 | jasta | jeez |
| 17:32.01 | trigatch4 | yeah, its a good read actually |
| 17:32.04 | michaelnovakjr | haha you got called a fanboy! |
| 17:32.12 | trigatch4 | i sure did |
| 17:32.16 | trigatch4 | the robot made me his bitch |
| 17:32.19 | jasta | i wonder if they actually bothered to look into the SDK issue :) |
| 17:32.31 | michaelnovakjr | haha of course not :) |
| 17:32.50 | michaelnovakjr | dont be silly now jasta :) |
| 17:32.53 | trigatch4 | there are only 1788 people who care about that, jasta |
| 17:32.59 | trigatch4 | (or 1788 groups of people) |
| 17:33.03 | michaelnovakjr | uh less than that |
| 17:33.12 | trigatch4 | 1738 |
| 17:33.24 | michaelnovakjr | try again |
| 17:33.29 | trigatch4 | twelve |
| 17:33.39 | michaelnovakjr | like 100 |
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| 17:33.50 | michaelnovakjr | that is my gues |
| 17:34.16 | trigatch4 | i feel like Billy Madison... when Veronica Vaughn is questioning him in the tent.... "Spanish Armada" |
| 17:34.23 | trigatch4 | 1817..... "no" |
| 17:34.29 | trigatch4 | 1863.... "no" |
| 17:34.33 | trigatch4 | 1997 |
| 17:34.36 | trigatch4 | haha i love that part |
| 17:35.04 | trigatch4 | i think a lot more than 100 people SHOULD care... but you're probably right |
| 17:35.17 | jasta | yargh |
| 17:35.18 | michaelnovakjr | others will care when we can download a new sdk |
| 17:35.23 | jasta | the libsyncml developers are so annoying ;) |
| 17:35.35 | michaelnovakjr | :) don't like your modifications? |
| 17:35.44 | jasta | no, they're friendly and everything |
| 17:35.54 | jasta | it's just frustrating to work with them. they don't respond to anything in a very timely manner |
| 17:36.00 | jasta | and none of them like IRC, so i can't get a real time dialog going |
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| 17:36.17 | michaelnovakjr | hm, must be the end of the universe kind of nerds |
| 17:36.23 | jasta | it feels like we're hand-writing letters to each other |
| 17:36.25 | michaelnovakjr | no public contact sort of thing :) |
| 17:37.02 | michaelnovakjr | change your nick to yodaisyourfriend and then go back into the irc room |
| 17:37.24 | f00f- | good article to share with the team |
| 17:37.37 | michaelnovakjr | f00f- what team? the a team? |
| 17:37.52 | f00f- | ya bro |
| 17:38.01 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 17:40.06 | michaelnovakjr | muthu looks like he stalked wired for this |
| 17:40.17 | muthu | nope |
| 17:40.18 | michaelnovakjr | its got your sappy spin all over it :) |
| 17:40.23 | muthu | haha |
| 17:40.23 | f00f- | not surprised |
| 17:40.36 | muthu | i didn't even meet dan in IO |
| 17:40.40 | muthu | not sure if you folks did |
| 17:40.46 | f00f- | yeah you did |
| 17:40.46 | michaelnovakjr | i did |
| 17:40.54 | f00f- | we all met him |
| 17:41.18 | muthu | he might have read my stories though ;) |
| 17:41.41 | michaelnovakjr | in all 7 pages they don't even bring up the fact the sdk is an elder now and there's no new version available |
| 17:42.15 | f00f- | cause that's immaterial at this point |
| 17:42.27 | michaelnovakjr | how so? |
| 17:42.33 | f00f- | it's available for select few |
| 17:42.35 | michaelnovakjr | without a new sdk how can we develop |
| 17:42.38 | f00f- | that's all that matters at this point |
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| 17:42.58 | muthu | In Chennai, India, attendees at a Nokia developer conference compared notes on Android's coding kit during the presentations. |
| 17:43.03 | michaelnovakjr | if phones come out in december than that means we have less than 6 months of dev time |
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| 17:43.30 | muthu | if only there's a forum to support a public sdk, i'll gladly sign it |
| 17:43.33 | f00f- | they have 50+ apps ready to go |
| 17:43.36 | michaelnovakjr | i'd say that isn't fair |
| 17:43.44 | f00f- | michaelnovakjr: right, life is not fair. |
| 17:43.54 | f00f- | but it's enitrely their decision. |
| 17:43.59 | michaelnovakjr | well we are talking about an open source project |
| 17:44.05 | f00f- | don't bite the hand that feeds you. |
| 17:44.05 | michaelnovakjr | i agree its their decision |
| 17:44.19 | michaelnovakjr | but don't call yourself open if you make people sign an SDK |
| 17:44.30 | michaelnovakjr | NDA |
| 17:44.43 | f00f- | Closed Handset Alliance |
| 17:44.49 | michaelnovakjr | exactly |
| 17:44.58 | jasta | dan once commented in here that he wondered if it would be better to not have hyped the "open" part until it became true. |
| 17:44.59 | michaelnovakjr | if they called it that it wouldn't be a problem |
| 17:45.02 | jasta | i agreed. |
| 17:45.06 | michaelnovakjr | absolutely |
| 17:45.31 | michaelnovakjr | and maybe should have taught branching too |
| 17:45.45 | jasta | or at least, being clear about when and what would be open. it took many months for them to first announce that code would come with handset launch. then more months to announce what exactly was going to be open. |
| 17:46.19 | f00f- | yeah they shouldnt have |
| 17:46.21 | michaelnovakjr | to be honest, i wouldn't get a phone with those 50 apps available |
| 17:46.22 | f00f- | yeah |
| 17:46.26 | michaelnovakjr | i want to see more options |
| 17:46.26 | jasta | the upsetting problem here was that THEY knew (and know) what their schedule is, they just don't like sharing it. |
| 17:46.30 | michaelnovakjr | at release time |
| 17:46.38 | f00f- | but you people need to stop beating this topic to death |
| 17:47.01 | michaelnovakjr | its an issue when you have to halt your development |
| 17:47.16 | jasta | it just makes no sense why they could not have been up front about it. they make it seem like it's no big deal to wait for the source and all that, and defend it as an entirely rational rollout process. |
| 17:47.27 | jasta | and yet, they didn't feel it was appropriate to mention? |
| 17:47.44 | michaelnovakjr | forget the source for a moment, all we need is an updated SDK |
| 17:47.47 | jasta | it wasn't part of any of the initial discussion on android, that makes no sense. |
| 17:47.51 | michaelnovakjr | they won't even give that |
| 17:48.00 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: right, but i am just speaking generally. |
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| 17:48.07 | jasta | generally, their strategy of secrecy makes no sense ;) |
| 17:48.19 | michaelnovakjr | yes i agree, it is quite strange |
| 17:48.20 | muthu | there wasn't a plan |
| 17:48.32 | jasta | muthu: if true, then how pathetic. |
| 17:48.39 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 17:48.45 | michaelnovakjr | that is project management 101 |
| 17:49.09 | michaelnovakjr | what is included, when it will be out, how will it be available.... |
| 17:49.25 | muthu | but am sure, a public sdk will be out soon |
| 17:49.27 | michaelnovakjr | obviously the process isn't perfect, but starting out with a plan is really the only way to go |
| 17:50.07 | jasta | yeah, no kidding. if they truly had no approximate guess when the source was going to come, what would be available, etc, then they had no business launching or announcing the project at all. |
| 17:50.19 | michaelnovakjr | yep |
| 17:50.29 | michaelnovakjr | they should have kept it under wraps for a bit longer |
| 17:50.36 | michaelnovakjr | they weren't getting industry pressure |
| 17:50.56 | jasta | again, i'm speaking generically about their strategy. the source of course is not our current pressing issue, but it just says something about their bizarre public relations approach here. |
| 17:51.08 | michaelnovakjr | yea |
| 17:51.41 | muthu | "I hope it's Android," Page says. But either way, Google wins. |
| 17:51.46 | jasta | like, why leave doubt for months? if you are confident that your decision to release source only when handsets launch (or whenever), why not just say so? |
| 17:51.48 | muthu | I hopt its Android too |
| 17:51.53 | muthu | hope* |
| 17:52.29 | jasta | i mean, confident that your decision is rational* |
| 17:52.30 | michaelnovakjr | i am curious about this symbian going open source |
| 17:52.43 | f00f- | oh |
| 17:52.44 | f00f- | what |
| 17:52.48 | michaelnovakjr | i hope it doesn't end up like java |
| 17:52.50 | jasta | anyway, this all returns to my one central conclusion i have drawn. |
| 17:53.09 | michaelnovakjr | shit or get off the pot? |
| 17:53.10 | jasta | that Android has been woefully mismanaged. no sinister evil, just incompetent management. |
| 17:53.30 | jasta | great engineers, working with a braindead marketing team :) |
| 17:54.02 | jasta | as evidenced, i think, by the "news" we all saw a couple of days ago |
| 17:54.05 | muthu | understandable, since this was their first major effort |
| 17:54.11 | michaelnovakjr | ?? |
| 17:54.14 | jasta | every major publication picking up "ANDROID DELAYED!" is generally a sign of braindead marketing :) |
| 17:54.15 | spykid | jasta: Basically you forget that the OHA has 33 more members which might have something to say |
| 17:54.16 | michaelnovakjr | this is google muthu |
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| 17:54.27 | muthu | michaelnovakjr: everyone makes mistakes |
| 17:54.52 | michaelnovakjr | understood, but come on... every news outlet reporting delays of the original date? |
| 17:54.53 | f00f- | nice, glad to see symbian being opened up |
| 17:54.53 | jasta | spykid: That doesn't mean the process changes any. Before you announce a product, you'd better have arrived at a decision on how it will be managed. |
| 17:54.56 | f00f- | that wad of shit needs rewriting |
| 17:55.04 | jasta | spykid: If you haven't, again, you had no business announcing it yet. |
| 17:55.10 | jasta | It just makes you look like a dopey, incompetent fool. |
| 17:55.20 | michaelnovakjr | totally |
| 17:56.21 | spykid | jasta: In the end it's all about contracts and lawyers |
| 17:56.32 | jasta | spykid: In the end, as I said, it's all about mismanagement. |
| 17:57.07 | michaelnovakjr | just wait, there will be a true open source mobile platform that will destroy android |
| 17:57.21 | jasta | i doubt that very much ;) |
| 17:57.37 | spykid | jasta: So it's just normal |
| 17:57.51 | jasta | spykid: Well sure, incompetent management is common. But that doesn't excuse it. |
| 17:57.58 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, why would you doubt that? |
| 17:58.22 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: Just because Android has all the right stuff to get traction in the mobile industry, and no other truly open initiative does. |
| 17:58.47 | jasta | For example, LiMo is open only under one uncommon interpretation of the word :) |
| 17:59.11 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, but there could be a project out there no one is aware of yet |
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| 17:59.28 | jasta | Sure, but I doubt it. Again, getting traction in the mobile industry is really hard. |
| 17:59.33 | jasta | And Google has the right stuff to do it. |
| 17:59.37 | muthu | symbian opening up is great |
| 17:59.59 | spykid | muthu: But it won't help |
| 18:00.01 | jasta | btw, for anyone interested in my honest opinion, I do think Android will be a huge hit. |
| 18:00.21 | f00f- | yeah right |
| 18:00.23 | jasta | I just think it's being fumbled right now. A lot. |
| 18:00.52 | jasta | That doesn't mean they'll lose the game, though. |
| 18:00.57 | jasta | To continue my lame metaphor :) |
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| 18:02.25 | michaelnovakjr | i don't think android will fail |
| 18:02.42 | michaelnovakjr | i just have a gut feeling a true open source platform will make itself available |
| 18:03.07 | jasta | like OpenMoko? |
| 18:03.17 | jasta | or the Ubuntu Mobile thing? |
| 18:04.37 | michaelnovakjr | the Ubuntu mobile is for small laptops not phones i thought? |
| 18:08.39 | michaelnovakjr | http://blogs.zdnet.com/open-source/?p=2596 |
| 18:08.56 | michaelnovakjr | that is interesting, open source and how sun just doesn't handle it well |
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| 18:16.57 | f00f- | java is going open source fyi |
| 18:17.18 | michaelnovakjr | yes, and its not going easy :) |
| 18:17.29 | michaelnovakjr | openjdk |
| 18:17.41 | michaelnovakjr | moving to open source is not easy |
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| 18:20.50 | f00f- | just read |
| 18:20.56 | f00f- | they're rewriting the sound |
| 18:21.01 | f00f- | then they'll open source it before the end of the year |
| 18:23.56 | michaelnovakjr | sound? |
| 18:26.48 | romainguy | the JDK contains (contained) several libraries that Sun licensed |
| 18:26.56 | romainguy | the rasterizer for instance |
| 18:27.10 | romainguy | and some parts of the sound system |
| 18:28.27 | michaelnovakjr | i'm not saying the won't open source it |
| 18:28.39 | michaelnovakjr | it just shows how hard it is to go to open source |
| 18:29.11 | romainguy | they didn't have that much issues with OpenOffice.org |
| 18:29.37 | romainguy | (they just open sourced it without the licensed parts, like the grammar corrector) |
| 18:32.03 | tethridge | romainguy, openoffice had the benefit of not being a library that other apps depend on |
| 18:32.29 | tethridge | I imagine that they would have issues with adoption if they left out the sound parts that are closed source |
| 18:33.38 | romainguy | I agree |
| 18:33.49 | romainguy | I'm just saying that going Open Source is not necessarily very difficult |
| 18:33.53 | romainguy | it just depends on what you open source |
| 18:34.27 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 18:38.11 | jasta | yawn |
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| 18:40.24 | jasta | hey romain |
| 18:40.48 | romainguy | yes? |
| 18:40.53 | jasta | just saying hello |
| 18:40.58 | romainguy | oh, hi :) |
| 18:43.06 | jasta | romainguy: do you know anything about the method tracing limits? |
| 18:43.15 | jasta | i was tinkering with something yesterday and ran into this again... |
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| 18:43.26 | romainguy | nope but I never hit that limit myself |
| 18:43.37 | jasta | it seems to be hit at 57s. |
| 18:43.47 | jasta | but i can't tell where the limit is coming from |
| 18:44.09 | jasta | i'm writing to /tmp, which is not full after it stops collecting data, and the trace file isn't even very large at that point. |
| 18:44.36 | jasta | 57000msec seems like it would be an arbitrary place to stop otherwise. |
| 18:45.26 | romainguy | maybe it's a RAM issue? |
| 18:45.49 | jasta | perhaps, i hadn't looked at that. |
| 18:46.12 | jasta | but my initial thought is that with a file only 7MB on disk, there must not be that much buffering... |
| 18:46.16 | jasta | osmething might be leaking, though. |
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| 19:06.03 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: have you heard of the airborne toxic event? |
| 19:06.10 | michaelnovakjr | nope |
| 19:06.17 | jasta | you should check 'em out :) |
| 19:06.33 | jasta | they're gonna be in NY at the end of July, with what i believe is their first tour :) |
| 19:06.37 | michaelnovakjr | nice |
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| 19:07.18 | jasta | their first CD is coming out in August, exciting stuff :) |
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| 19:15.28 | jasta | hey phil |
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| 20:23.12 | muthu | Android international developer day - is it coming to India? |
| 20:23.26 | muthu | morrildl: did it happen in India? |
| 20:24.28 | muthu | Google alert for GPhone is all coming in with news about 'delays'.. |
| 20:24.54 | muthu | haha, how the blogosphere can sometimes really get going |
| 20:26.25 | jasta | i think this news lit up so quickly because a lot of people are rooting for android to fail |
| 20:26.29 | jasta | bad news is going to carry far :) |
| 20:27.35 | muthu | may be |
| 20:27.47 | muthu | people seem to like bad news better |
| 20:28.04 | muthu | what's up jasta? |
| 20:28.39 | jasta | not too much, just beating my head against libsyncml again today |
| 20:29.24 | muthu | hmm |
| 20:29.34 | muthu | what's your plan for ADC 2? |
| 20:29.47 | jasta | no plan |
| 20:29.56 | muthu | really? |
| 20:30.05 | muthu | i know you should have something up |
| 20:30.38 | jasta | i have no plan, not that i won't submit for it. |
| 20:30.45 | muthu | ok |
| 20:30.53 | jasta | right now, i can't really develop a plan for anything, since i know not when anything will happen |
| 20:31.07 | muthu | device out late this year |
| 20:31.11 | jasta | i don't know that |
| 20:31.15 | muthu | that means android open sourced early next year |
| 20:31.19 | muthu | then adc2 starts |
| 20:31.22 | jasta | i'm not assuming squat :) |
| 20:31.26 | muthu | hehe |
| 20:31.52 | muthu | adc2 on real devices should be really exciting |
| 20:32.16 | jasta | agreed |
| 20:32.36 | jasta | i doubt very much that you'll be eligible, though. |
| 20:32.40 | muthu | why? |
| 20:32.52 | muthu | adc2 is completely different from adc1 |
| 20:33.02 | jasta | at least not eligible with the same app of course, that would make no sense. |
| 20:33.20 | muthu | may be |
| 20:33.52 | jasta | although i won't hold my breath. google is a miserably stupid company, apparently ;) |
| 20:34.03 | muthu | not really |
| 20:34.07 | jasta | *cough* Weather Channel is a partner of Sprint *cough* |
| 20:34.29 | muthu | android is their first major initiative with the community |
| 20:34.30 | muthu | so lessons learned will do good in future |
| 20:34.51 | muthu | i know what i'm doing for adc 2 ;) |
| 20:35.15 | muthu | but this year its all CC |
| 20:35.26 | muthu | and its going great! |
| 20:36.34 | f00f- | hehehe |
| 20:36.48 | jasta | you know, summer of code folks were not eligigle, muthu. |
| 20:36.53 | f00f- | yep |
| 20:36.54 | f00f- | i agree with jasta |
| 20:36.57 | f00f- | we won't be eligible |
| 20:37.05 | muthu | f00f-: i don't think so |
| 20:37.18 | f00f- | i actually hope the winners of round 2 won't be eligible |
| 20:37.18 | jasta | i really doubt that anyone who has already had a relationship with google on this level will be eligible. it defeats the fair spirit of competition. |
| 20:37.27 | f00f- | yeah |
| 20:37.43 | f00f- | they're giving out money for a rason |
| 20:37.46 | f00f- | *reason |
| 20:37.46 | muthu | i agree if its the same app |
| 20:37.59 | muthu | the winning apps will be not eligible, of course |
| 20:38.05 | f00f- | jasta: that's the great thing about entering as a company ;) |
| 20:38.08 | jasta | with a different app maybe, but their legal dept might just nix the whole idea. |
| 20:38.09 | f00f- | just form a new company and submit |
| 20:38.21 | muthu | haha |
| 20:38.33 | muthu | that's why they would just eliminate winning apps |
| 20:38.38 | muthu | anything else must be fair game |
| 20:38.56 | jasta | f00f-: yeah, but if they specifically stipulate that no prior winners are eligible, and you are still the benefactor of both winnings, then the IRS will have a real problem with you ;) |
| 20:39.07 | f00f- | well hopefully the successful apps will have good deals going by that time, so they won't have time to deal with the little prize monies from ADC II |
| 20:39.14 | jasta | not that you're likely to get caught, but messing with the IRS is unwise business ;) |
| 20:39.18 | f00f- | jasta: hehehehe yes ;P |
| 20:39.40 | jasta | one of the few types of financial crimes in the US that will land you in jail for a long time |
| 20:39.55 | f00f- | white collar ftw |
| 20:40.04 | f00f- | are you planning to enter ADC II jasta? |
| 20:40.08 | jasta | meh, probably |
| 20:40.19 | f00f- | with same app idea? |
| 20:40.23 | jasta | i'm still working on my app, of course. |
| 20:40.30 | jasta | though i have been focusing on other areas |
| 20:40.41 | muthu | jasta: what's the problem with IRS? |
| 20:40.49 | jasta | and so if it happens that the ADC2 is convenient for me, sure. |
| 20:40.51 | jasta | the ADC1 was. |
| 20:40.55 | f00f- | muthu: watch the simpsons episode |
| 20:41.01 | muthu | haha |
| 20:41.04 | muthu | simpsons to the rescue |
| 20:41.15 | jasta | muthu: you mean lying to them about dubious earning sources? |
| 20:41.22 | muthu | why would you lie? |
| 20:41.43 | muthu | only the winning apps will not be eligible |
| 20:41.47 | jasta | if google stipulates in the rules that you may not participate if you have won, but you formed some new company to which you were the benefactor |
| 20:41.55 | muthu | no |
| 20:41.57 | jasta | that would be a blatant violation, and the IRS would have a really big problem with that. |
| 20:41.59 | michaelnovakjr | muthu, adc1 winners won't be eligible |
| 20:42.10 | muthu | adc1 winning apps will not be eligible |
| 20:42.13 | muthu | that's the right wording |
| 20:42.21 | michaelnovakjr | i don't think that is how it will work |
| 20:42.30 | jasta | muthu: honestly, i'm not in the mood for your assertions today. |
| 20:42.42 | muthu | jasta: come on, you can't back off ;) |
| 20:43.08 | muthu | get some irish cofee to get back into the mood |
| 20:43.09 | muthu | lol |
| 20:43.43 | f00f- | assert(jasta == muthu); |
| 20:43.56 | jasta | you know how i feel about pseudomathematical gibberish |
| 20:44.15 | muthu | assert muthu > jasta; |
| 20:44.18 | f00f- | hahaha |
| 20:44.20 | muthu | true |
| 20:44.23 | muthu | lol |
| 20:44.54 | michaelnovakjr | i just can't see why muthu would think adc winners would be eligible |
| 20:45.01 | michaelnovakjr | what would be the point? |
| 20:45.14 | muthu | michaelnovakjr: what you mean? |
| 20:45.19 | jasta | oops, shit. i'm late for an appointment |
| 20:45.28 | muthu | i can see your point on the winning apps |
| 20:45.35 | michaelnovakjr | no on the winners |
| 20:45.35 | muthu | jasta: where you going? |
| 20:45.39 | michaelnovakjr | irs |
| 20:45.43 | muthu | haha |
| 20:46.24 | michaelnovakjr | winners won't be included in adc2, i'd be shocked if it did |
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| 20:48.21 | muthu | winning apps will not be included |
| 20:48.28 | muthu | that's the right thing to do |
| 20:48.46 | michaelnovakjr | muthu not including winners is the right thing to do |
| 20:49.19 | muthu | no |
| 20:49.23 | michaelnovakjr | why? |
| 20:49.34 | michaelnovakjr | what would the challenge gain from that? |
| 20:49.34 | muthu | why would you be penalised for winning something? |
| 20:49.45 | michaelnovakjr | you wouldn't, you already won |
| 20:49.57 | muthu | that's challenge 1 |
| 20:49.58 | f00f- | STOP |
| 20:50.02 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 20:50.04 | muthu | completely unrelated to challenge 2 |
| 20:50.06 | muthu | GO |
| 20:50.11 | f00f- | you're saying the samething |
| 20:50.12 | f00f- | 15:48 muthu winning apps will not be included |
| 20:50.12 | f00f- | 15:48 muthu that's the right thing to do |
| 20:50.13 | f00f- | 15:48 michaelnovakjr muthu not including winners is the right thing to do |
| 20:50.19 | f00f- | there is no argument there |
| 20:50.21 | f00f- | null |
| 20:50.21 | f00f- | (void) |
| 20:50.44 | muthu | final muthu says (); |
| 20:50.55 | michaelnovakjr | those aren't the same |
| 20:51.08 | f00f- | close enough |
| 20:51.09 | michaelnovakjr | if you are comparing what i say to what he says |
| 20:51.26 | muthu | f00f-: what you saying? |
| 20:51.30 | f00f- | winning app is made by a set of winning people |
| 20:51.44 | michaelnovakjr | and those winning people should not be included |
| 20:51.48 | f00f- | thus it's the question of winning people |
| 20:51.55 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 20:52.09 | f00f- | where people is a set of persons |
| 20:52.18 | f00f- | and a person can be any legal entity, natural person, company, etc. |
| 20:52.27 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 20:52.41 | michaelnovakjr | the entity responsible for the winning application |
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| 20:52.43 | f00f- | it becomes difficult to enforce that |
| 20:52.51 | michaelnovakjr | the entity that receives the prize |
| 20:52.54 | f00f- | sure the same company can't resubmit |
| 20:53.00 | f00f- | what if they form a new company and submit a new app |
| 20:53.05 | f00f- | what then? |
| 20:53.13 | f00f- | they have no recourse |
| 20:53.25 | michaelnovakjr | you'd have to file with the gov't at that point |
| 20:53.27 | TFGBD | Is it possible to run Android on a kernel other than linux? |
| 20:53.32 | michaelnovakjr | windows |
| 20:53.37 | TFGBD | Such as Windows CE or QNX or something? |
| 20:53.38 | f00f- | michaelnovakjr: filing with the government? done. |
| 20:53.56 | michaelnovakjr | who's your top 3 people? |
| 20:54.01 | michaelnovakjr | same as the other company? |
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| 20:54.07 | f00f- | let's say it is |
| 20:54.24 | michaelnovakjr | then it would be the same group responsible for the winning application |
| 20:54.30 | muthu | michaelnovakjr: you can't just eliminate people like that |
| 20:54.34 | f00f- | unless they specifically state that the board members cannot have been board members of a prior winning awardee, then it wont work |
| 20:54.34 | michaelnovakjr | why not? |
| 20:54.46 | f00f- | but the contract legally is between google and the company |
| 20:54.47 | michaelnovakjr | that would be a given if they went that route |
| 20:54.48 | f00f- | not the people behind the company |
| 20:55.14 | michaelnovakjr | not saying also the same people would win too |
| 20:55.24 | michaelnovakjr | i actually would see it go differenlt |
| 20:55.35 | f00f- | yes, we are talking about extreme scenarios here! |
| 20:55.45 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 20:55.52 | michaelnovakjr | of course |
| 20:56.10 | TFGBD | <michaelnovakjr> windows < Was that in response to me? |
| 20:56.24 | michaelnovakjr | the android system hasn't been released yet |
| 20:56.28 | michaelnovakjr | anything you attempt is a hack |
| 20:56.31 | muthu | TFGBD: you need linux kernel |
| 20:56.36 | michaelnovakjr | so there's no official support |
| 20:56.44 | f00f- | dude |
| 20:56.47 | michaelnovakjr | muthu, a kernel image |
| 20:56.50 | f00f- | we need a FAQ for this channel |
| 20:57.00 | michaelnovakjr | i have a kernel image for win mobile that runs |
| 20:57.10 | michaelnovakjr | but its pointless |
| 20:57.16 | muthu | 37signals is hiring - good to know |
| 20:57.16 | michaelnovakjr | there's nothing to do with it |
| 20:57.54 | f00f- | you think they would hire you muthu |
| 20:57.57 | TFGBD | What do you mean, michaelnovakjr? |
| 20:58.09 | TFGBD | It runs on top of Windows CE? |
| 20:58.11 | muthu | f00f-: they send me that |
| 20:58.32 | TFGBD | Or it runs on hardware designed for CE and boots into linux? |
| 20:58.55 | muthu | f00f-: i have my own shit to take care,, back home |
| 20:58.56 | muthu | hehe |
| 21:00.12 | michaelnovakjr | there is no point in using android because it doesn't do anything useful |
| 21:00.27 | TFGBD | Oh. I thought so. |
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| 21:00.37 | michaelnovakjr | its the sdk emulator code |
| 21:00.49 | michaelnovakjr | its meant for development testing not for consumer testing |
| 21:00.58 | muthu | hope goog really frees up android, in a way its useful to small players |
| 21:01.10 | TFGBD | I'd still like such thing. |
| 21:01.13 | TFGBD | to see* |
| 21:01.27 | TFGBD | There are a few 3rd party apps for it now, though. Aren't there? |
| 21:01.34 | muthu | the real success of android would depend on how it enables the smaller folks to realize their dreams |
| 21:01.35 | michaelnovakjr | it hasn't been released |
| 21:01.43 | michaelnovakjr | so there's stuff only in development |
| 21:02.04 | muthu | where the hell jasta went? |
| 21:02.11 | TFGBD | Then what of http://www.trackdroid.com/ |
| 21:02.52 | TFGBD | For something not released, it sure seems to have a community of developers already. |
| 21:03.06 | michaelnovakjr | never heard of it |
| 21:03.21 | michaelnovakjr | but the application is not in use |
| 21:03.30 | michaelnovakjr | it can't be deployed yet |
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| 21:04.17 | TFGBD | <michaelnovakjr> i have a kernel image for win mobile that runs |
| 21:04.24 | michaelnovakjr | ... |
| 21:04.27 | TFGBD | What is it that you have exactly? |
| 21:04.48 | michaelnovakjr | its the emulator code running on a kernel image |
| 21:04.54 | michaelnovakjr | it is nothing useful |
| 21:04.55 | muthu | TFGBD: are you running android on win mobile? |
| 21:05.03 | f00f- | lollerskates |
| 21:05.08 | michaelnovakjr | muthu, it doesn't work right |
| 21:05.18 | muthu | oh ok |
| 21:05.19 | TFGBD | Can you send it? |
| 21:05.20 | michaelnovakjr | time, battery, signal |
| 21:05.27 | michaelnovakjr | none of those indicators work |
| 21:05.32 | TFGBD | I could care less how well it works. |
| 21:05.37 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 21:05.48 | michaelnovakjr | so then why do you want to run it? |
| 21:05.57 | TFGBD | Why not? |
| 21:06.00 | michaelnovakjr | it doesn't save anything either |
| 21:06.06 | TFGBD | So. |
| 21:06.11 | michaelnovakjr | so once its powered down everything is lost |
| 21:06.13 | TFGBD | Neither does the desktop emulator seem to. |
| 21:06.19 | michaelnovakjr | and there's only radio drivers for HTC |
| 21:06.29 | michaelnovakjr | the desktop emulator does save?? |
| 21:06.34 | michaelnovakjr | of course it saves |
| 21:06.37 | michaelnovakjr | it has to |
| 21:06.44 | TFGBD | Okay |
| 21:07.01 | michaelnovakjr | radio drivers are only available for HTC |
| 21:07.10 | michaelnovakjr | so the cell signal itself won't even pick up |
| 21:07.17 | michaelnovakjr | so the three things it has can't be tested |
| 21:07.22 | AttractiveApe | As cool as having android running on my phone, TFGBD, it's pretty useless. |
| 21:07.31 | michaelnovakjr | browser, maps, and phone |
| 21:07.31 | michaelnovakjr | exactly |
| 21:07.31 | TFGBD | So what is it you have exactly? A flashable rom or an .exe application port of the desktop emulator? |
| 21:07.47 | michaelnovakjr | its a kernel image with the android software |
| 21:07.48 | TFGBD | I'm still not clear there. |
| 21:08.00 | michaelnovakjr | its basically the emulator on a phone |
| 21:08.10 | michaelnovakjr | without the functionality |
| 21:08.18 | AttractiveApe | TFGBD: it's a kernel image, with an initrd holding the Android OS |
| 21:08.20 | michaelnovakjr | are you testing an app on it? |
| 21:08.25 | AttractiveApe | and there's a windows mobile app that'll boot the kernel. |
| 21:08.39 | michaelnovakjr | the windows mobile app acts like a bootloader |
| 21:08.47 | TFGBD | Oh, so it bootstraps from CE. |
| 21:08.56 | TFGBD | Is it only for certain PDA models? |
| 21:08.59 | michaelnovakjr | yes |
| 21:09.20 | TFGBD | Okay, so I get ya. That does not seem to interesting. |
| 21:09.30 | michaelnovakjr | not yet |
| 21:09.41 | michaelnovakjr | it will once it is officially released |
| 21:10.40 | TFGBD | Are android apps completely managed like J2ME or am I mistaken? |
| 21:10.59 | michaelnovakjr | what do you mean by managed? |
| 21:11.05 | michaelnovakjr | gc? |
| 21:11.10 | muthu | completely managed by android, yes |
| 21:11.26 | michaelnovakjr | wait, what do you mean by managed? |
| 21:11.34 | TFGBD | processor independant, complied to bytecode |
| 21:11.56 | michaelnovakjr | the apps are built off an android SDK..... they won't port |
| 21:12.00 | TFGBD | Are they not Java apps running in a VM? |
| 21:12.14 | michaelnovakjr | yes they are java apps, but they are using an Android library |
| 21:12.15 | michaelnovakjr | and runtime |
| 21:12.29 | TFGBD | Yeah, obviously. |
| 21:12.39 | TFGBD | Is Android more of less just a more advanced J2ME MIDP then? |
| 21:13.12 | TFGBD | Do you think it is possible the runtime will be ported to other OSes in the future once it is released? |
| 21:13.16 | muthu | android might be similar to j2me |
| 21:13.26 | TFGBD | Or aren't these details even clear yet. |
| 21:13.38 | michaelnovakjr | i don't get the need to port the runtime? |
| 21:13.50 | TFGBD | What is the need to port the J2ME runtime? |
| 21:13.56 | TFGBD | So other OSes can run J2ME midlets. |
| 21:14.14 | michaelnovakjr | android is not j2me |
| 21:14.24 | TFGBD | I'm aware of that. |
| 21:14.28 | muthu | goog is not going to work on porting android |
| 21:14.35 | michaelnovakjr | definitely not |
| 21:14.36 | muthu | but ports might be available |
| 21:14.43 | TFGBD | That is what I'm saying. |
| 21:15.01 | TFGBD | CE has about 10 MIDP compliant VMs from 3rd parties alone. |
| 21:15.09 | michaelnovakjr | i am not sure about a port |
| 21:15.18 | TFGBD | Will it not be open source? |
| 21:15.18 | michaelnovakjr | just the runtime wouldn't help much |
| 21:15.25 | michaelnovakjr | sure parts of it will |
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| 21:15.37 | michaelnovakjr | not as a whole though |
| 21:15.52 | TFGBD | Is most of the GUI itself written in Java too? |
| 21:15.59 | TFGBD | Like the browser and such |
| 21:16.11 | michaelnovakjr | the browser is based on WebKit |
| 21:16.20 | michaelnovakjr | no one outside google has seen code for the GUI |
| 21:16.23 | TFGBD | I know. So I can't imagine that being ported to java |
| 21:17.16 | michaelnovakjr | these are all unknown details at the moment |
| 21:17.29 | TFGBD | Okay, sorry then. |
| 21:17.44 | TFGBD | Somehow I thouht more was known about it then I realized. |
| 21:17.52 | michaelnovakjr | check out http://code.google.com/android |
| 21:17.59 | michaelnovakjr | that is what is known |
| 21:18.40 | TFGBD | mmm |
| 21:19.04 | michaelnovakjr | there's even an faw |
| 21:19.06 | michaelnovakjr | faq |
| 21:21.21 | muthu | Nokia buying Symbian is the big news today |
| 21:21.56 | michaelnovakjr | that has been beaten to death already |
| 21:22.17 | muthu | iphone brings the prices down |
| 21:22.21 | muthu | now nokia opening up |
| 21:22.27 | muthu | wow, the android effect |
| 21:22.39 | michaelnovakjr | i'm not sure that is android |
| 21:22.44 | muthu | nokia is taking this seriously |
| 21:22.46 | michaelnovakjr | being as its not released yet |
| 21:23.01 | TFGBD | According to Wikipedia "It allows developers to write managed code in a Java-like language that utilizes Google-developed Java libraries,[2] but does not support programs developed in native code." |
| 21:23.04 | michaelnovakjr | iPhone is bringing the price down because it will replace the iPod |
| 21:23.08 | TFGBD | So, that answers that... |
| 21:23.54 | TFGBD | patiently Awaits Android>J2ME Personal Profile wrappers in the future... |
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| 22:31.34 | leku | l |
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| 23:06.19 | jasta | Dougie187: you there? |
| 23:06.24 | Dougie187 | yup |
| 23:06.25 | Dougie187 | whats up? |
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| 23:33.05 | romainguy | you guys can talk to krosaen, he works on Android's UI framework too :)) |
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| 23:49.21 | spykid | romainguy: Is the Android team based in SV, Boston or mixed? |
| 23:49.47 | romainguy | SV? |
| 23:49.57 | spykid | Silicon Valley ;) |
| 23:50.13 | romainguy | there are Android engineers in various places :) |
| 23:51.34 | f00f- | it's secret |
| 23:52.34 | spykid | "the seventh floor of a Kendall Square office tower" - secret? |
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