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| 04:04.11 | _Codeman_ | Where is Android available? |
| 04:05.29 | jasta | nowhere. |
| 04:05.38 | duey | my house |
| 04:05.47 | jasta | he means his pants :) |
| 04:06.17 | duey | I was refering to my android obviously! |
| 04:06.45 | duey | writing about ethics is so fun |
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| 04:07.04 | duey | quick survey: is this ethical?: |
| 04:07.29 | duey | running javascript on websites which computes a solution to a problem without the user knowing |
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| 04:53.23 | jerkface03 | does anyone know if a standard bt chipset on any cellphone/dongle can support connecting and communicating with more than 1 bt device at once? |
| 04:53.43 | jerkface03 | for example could you be using a bt headset and syncing your contacts with your pc using bt at the same time? |
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| 05:16.34 | jasta | jerkface03: i believe that is typically possible, but i cannot confirm |
| 05:22.06 | jerkface03 | hrm |
| 05:22.06 | jerkface03 | k |
| 05:22.07 | jerkface03 | thx |
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| 13:45.59 | zhobbs_ | I just wasn't meant to be a blogger...I met some pros at IO with cameras and laptops and crap...I'm just now posting stuff about IO |
| 13:47.01 | buster_ | haha |
| 13:47.55 | buster_ | i set up a blog some time ago. it gets updated every year with some random stuff |
| 13:48.49 | zhobbs_ | I talked to the guy from AndroidCommunity.com and he's a pro (literally) |
| 13:49.00 | zhobbs_ | he runs SlashGear.com and a ton of other sites |
| 13:49.43 | zhobbs_ | he videotaped just about everything and has it on youtube almost instantly |
| 13:50.41 | zhobbs_ | myself on the other hand brought a dead camera, took a day to charge it and then only took one pic |
| 13:51.36 | buster_ | :D |
| 14:09.06 | gambler | oh god. i hate choosing what libraries to use. should I use javax.crypto or bouncycastle or a 3rd choice for my android app |
| 14:09.41 | gambler | need to do PKCS7 digisig type things.. |
| 14:16.45 | dims | gambler: bc's the best bet |
| 14:16.49 | dims | (IMHO) |
| 14:17.17 | gambler | dims, can u elaborate why |
| 14:18.13 | gambler | have experience in other langs but im a java newbie .. |
| 14:18.32 | gambler | seems like i should use the std lib for an embeddd app |
| 14:18.39 | gambler | if that possible |
| 14:19.55 | dims | android internally used BC |
| 14:19.58 | dims | android internally uses BC |
| 14:20.28 | dims | source is available, forums to get help as well |
| 14:20.49 | gambler | ah well that is an excellent reason |
| 14:22.27 | dims | having said that javax.crypto may be convenient |
| 14:22.53 | dims | if you get it working quickly... |
| 14:23.21 | gambler | im not even clear on the whole JCE/JCA thing. basically you have to import com.sun.crypto.provider.SunJCE ...is that it? |
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| 14:24.29 | dims | gambler: no, you should not have to.. |
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| 15:20.48 | cutmasta | by all |
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| 15:38.55 | jasta | wooo |
| 15:38.59 | jasta | i mean, yawn |
| 15:38.59 | jasta | :) |
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| 15:43.23 | jasta | morrildl: well, what was the result of yesterday's heckling? :) |
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| 17:57.54 | jasta | hmm, firefox3 fucked up my print stylesheets :( |
| 17:58.38 | wastrel | web design is hard |
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| 19:24.37 | jasta | i regret not making a fuss about the next SDK during the Android Q&A |
| 19:24.52 | jasta | ugh |
| 19:24.59 | muthu | jasta: you did ask about that? |
| 19:25.06 | jasta | not during the Q&A |
| 19:25.15 | muthu | oh yeah, that was a chance |
| 19:26.06 | jasta | i knew they wouldn't have an answer for me, but it would have been a good forum to complain openly |
| 19:26.29 | muthu | that was the time to ask |
| 19:27.00 | jasta | though i don't think it would have made a difference. |
| 19:27.06 | jasta | i'm starting to get the sense that Andy is just a prick :) |
| 19:27.15 | muthu | oh oh |
| 19:27.25 | muthu | he seems to be a nice guy |
| 19:27.41 | jasta | talked to Dan yesterday and he confirmed that basically the forum when he says he's gonna "find out" about something is that he asks Andy |
| 19:27.46 | jasta | and if Andy says buzz off, he does. |
| 19:28.08 | jasta | So, from that we can reason that Andy is at the least highest authority we know of that is denying the open source community a reasonable answer. |
| 19:28.53 | muthu | it would be a company decision |
| 19:29.21 | jasta | i doubt that the strategy is managed to that level. |
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| 19:29.55 | jasta | though i don't believe that Andy is even in charge of the strategy, I think he is certainly a reasonable person to authorize public statements. |
| 19:30.15 | muthu | he's the android head right? |
| 19:30.16 | jasta | and he is at least the highest authority that we have indirect access to. |
| 19:30.42 | jasta | i'd prefer Dan to give us more information as to where this nonsense is coming from so that we can address those people directly. |
| 19:30.58 | jasta | yet another example of where this project fails greatly at openness...we don't even know who's who. |
| 19:31.46 | jasta | But I bet Andy at least is responsible for the lack of public statement on the issue. |
| 19:32.14 | muthu | they have some things to sort out |
| 19:32.18 | muthu | but am sure they will soon |
| 19:32.53 | jasta | what gives you that assurance? |
| 19:33.20 | jasta | i have assumed the opposite, and that they would simply hurry this process along to release the next SDK. but not making any statement in the interim as to why it took so long to come out. |
| 19:33.45 | jasta | i believe that harrassing Dan is causing questions to be asked up the chain, but those questions clearly are not receiving positive answers. |
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| 19:36.23 | zhobbs_ | I was impressed with Andy...I thought he was completely non-technical but he seemed to have some knowledge on technical happenings |
| 19:37.13 | muthu | he was answering and very receptive |
| 19:37.16 | muthu | to everyone |
| 19:37.42 | muthu | had a nice attitude |
| 19:38.53 | jasta | Did you guys attend the same conference as me? |
| 19:39.53 | dmoffett | lol |
| 19:39.55 | jasta | much of what I remember from Andy fielding questions was side-stepping. And the guy in the middle, whose name escapes me. |
| 19:40.24 | muthu | i'm not saying he had direct answers to everything |
| 19:44.09 | muthu | was very impressed with dan though |
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| 19:45.44 | davidw | jasta, someone (i.e *not me*) ought to put together a timeline of what's gone on |
| 19:46.11 | muthu | davidw: what timeline? |
| 19:46.20 | davidw | has been pretty willing to play along... I don't have anything major going on right now where I'm being damaged by not having a new sdk or something |
| 19:46.49 | davidw | but it's bad in community terms (which I think Dan understands just fine) |
| 19:47.01 | muthu | yes |
| 19:47.09 | davidw | someone upstairs doesn't get open source |
| 19:47.15 | muthu | haha |
| 19:47.55 | muthu | went to a pub near fisherman's wharf yesterday |
| 19:48.08 | muthu | they had like 63 kind of beer on tap! |
| 19:49.04 | muthu | lot of pictures of the taps where taken |
| 19:49.17 | muthu | seems like a popular spot |
| 19:52.08 | zhobbs_ | cooking capsules is doomed! |
| 19:52.12 | davidw | with rents what they are in SF |
| 19:52.15 | zhobbs_ | :) |
| 19:52.18 | davidw | if it's not popular it's out of business |
| 19:52.57 | dmoffett | If you are in DC check out this place for variety. |
| 19:52.59 | dmoffett | http://www.lovethebeer.com/beer-list.html |
| 19:53.21 | muthu | dmoffett: they have this beer magazine |
| 19:53.42 | muthu | and awards and so on.. fascinating |
| 19:53.53 | zhobbs_ | dmoffett: that's intense |
| 19:54.03 | muthu | zhobbs_: everyone has to cook now ;) |
| 19:54.06 | dmoffett | Hard to choose. |
| 19:54.34 | muthu | dmoffett: oh man, how many there? |
| 19:54.38 | muthu | 500? |
| 19:54.51 | dmoffett | 1000 I think |
| 19:54.58 | dmoffett | not all on tap though. |
| 19:55.03 | muthu | wow |
| 19:55.12 | zhobbs_ | I did one of those "drink all our beers and get a plaque and t-shirt thing" at a local bar...it ended up being too much like a job after a couple months :) |
| 19:55.24 | zhobbs_ | still finished it off though |
| 19:55.28 | muthu | haha |
| 19:55.36 | muthu | how long you took? |
| 19:56.03 | zhobbs_ | like 4 months, 100 beers I think |
| 19:56.17 | muthu | lol |
| 19:56.31 | muthu | not bad, 1 beer a day |
| 19:56.36 | zhobbs_ | sucks when you get a beer you don't like |
| 19:56.53 | muthu | but you get a tshirt :0 |
| 19:57.08 | muthu | :) |
| 19:57.14 | zhobbs_ | yep, and my name is misspelled on the plaque :) |
| 19:57.32 | dmoffett | this place in Denver for those Scotch lovers. |
| 19:57.36 | dmoffett | http://www.pintspub.com/WhiskyList.pdf |
| 19:57.38 | muthu | good, after marriage you can claim its not you |
| 19:58.14 | dmoffett | http://www.pintspub.com |
| 19:58.28 | muthu | dmoffett: the alcohol varieties in US is mind blowing |
| 19:59.36 | zhobbs_ | the american dream |
| 20:01.58 | dmoffett | muthu: how ever it seems the good stuff comes from over seas. |
| 20:03.01 | zhobbs_ | there's some good microbrew in the states |
| 20:03.24 | zhobbs_ | I thought that a micro-still pub would be awesome |
| 20:03.36 | zhobbs_ | there may be legal probs with that though |
| 20:04.09 | dmoffett | that would be very cool. |
| 20:04.48 | dmoffett | While in high school I worked for a farmer who ran a still. |
| 20:04.53 | zhobbs_ | yeah, would be a good gimick because it's rare |
| 20:05.12 | zhobbs_ | I used to brew beer a lot...and have been thinking about getting a still |
| 20:05.19 | zhobbs_ | (though it's illegal) |
| 20:05.35 | dmoffett | That stuff would curl your hair. |
| 20:05.42 | zhobbs_ | well, it's not illegal to have a still, just to use it for ethanol |
| 20:05.53 | dmoffett | I think if you don't try to sell you can have a still of a certain size. |
| 20:06.02 | zhobbs_ | I'd like to make some good gin |
| 20:06.19 | muthu | what's a still? |
| 20:06.47 | zhobbs_ | muthu: used to distill alcohol out of a liquid |
| 20:06.50 | dmoffett | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Still |
| 20:06.55 | muthu | ok |
| 20:07.21 | muthu | zhobbs_: you brew your own beer? |
| 20:07.24 | zhobbs_ | so you basically make uncarbinated beer and then remove the alcohol |
| 20:07.27 | zhobbs_ | used to |
| 20:07.38 | zhobbs_ | it's legal to make 200 gal a year |
| 20:07.44 | muthu | haha |
| 20:07.51 | muthu | is it easy to make? |
| 20:08.09 | zhobbs_ | not too bad, a lot of work though |
| 20:08.22 | muthu | is it worth it? |
| 20:08.41 | zhobbs_ | maybe... |
| 20:08.59 | zhobbs_ | it's kinda fun to brew it then go trade beers at local homebrew meets and stuff |
| 20:09.12 | muthu | right |
| 20:09.21 | zhobbs_ | but it's a lot of work |
| 20:09.26 | dmoffett | you can take short cuts like using a car radiator but then you get lead poising which explains a lot of West Virginia. :-) |
| 20:09.32 | zhobbs_ | haha |
| 20:09.41 | muthu | haha |
| 20:09.50 | dmoffett | or is that in breeding? |
| 20:10.05 | dmoffett | probably both. |
| 20:10.12 | muthu | the belgian beers are good |
| 20:10.27 | jasta | the tap house in seattle has like 200 on tap i think |
| 20:10.40 | jasta | 160 |
| 20:10.42 | jasta | still, a lot. |
| 20:10.53 | muthu | jasta: your favorite beer? |
| 20:11.01 | dmoffett | Guiness is still tops imo. |
| 20:11.13 | muthu | guiness is good for a 4th beer |
| 20:11.19 | jasta | muthu: Mac & Jack's, it's a Pacific Northwest microbrew. |
| 20:11.33 | jasta | probably not available in SF. |
| 20:11.39 | muthu | should be |
| 20:11.45 | dmoffett | Jasta: What kind of beer is in? |
| 20:11.48 | jasta | I doubt it, CA is not considered the pacific northwest. |
| 20:11.49 | dmoffett | it. |
| 20:11.52 | jasta | basically because it's not northwest ;) |
| 20:11.57 | jasta | dmoffett: Amber |
| 20:12.02 | dmoffett | nice |
| 20:12.07 | muthu | you have all kind of stuff in SF |
| 20:12.19 | jasta | muthu: yes, but it is a microbrew specific to the northwest, so again, probably not there :) |
| 20:12.31 | muthu | amber is usually bitter, right? |
| 20:12.33 | jasta | i haven't seen it anywhere other than WA and OR. |
| 20:12.46 | jasta | i wouldn't describe amber as bitter, but maybe others would. |
| 20:13.45 | zhobbs_ | muthu: best thing about brewing beer is smelling/tasting some of the individual ingredients in beer (different hops, barley, etc), and that helps you pick out those tastes in beer much better |
| 20:14.07 | jasta | Guinness is good, but it is sort of for a different occassion, I think. |
| 20:14.18 | muthu | zhobbs_: what's the major ingredient? |
| 20:14.38 | muthu | jasta: guinness is good for what? |
| 20:15.03 | jasta | casually drinking with friends, without the intention of getting tipsy or drunk |
| 20:15.31 | jasta | generally not good with dinner, either. better before dinner, like an appetizer :) |
| 20:15.46 | muthu | oh ok |
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| 20:15.53 | muthu | then its for me :0 |
| 20:15.55 | muthu | :) |
| 20:16.05 | jasta | it's a very dark beer, you know that right? |
| 20:16.17 | muthu | i drank it, yeah i know |
| 20:16.24 | muthu | it looked dark & bitter |
| 20:17.13 | zhobbs_ | muthu: hops are very distinguishable in lots of beer and give it the bitter or aroma, and barley gives it the color and maltiness |
| 20:18.08 | zhobbs_ | muthu: for example, guinness has really dark roast barley so it's dark...and there is very little hop flavor |
| 20:19.04 | muthu | oh that's what hops are huh |
| 20:19.28 | zhobbs_ | you tried any IPA's? |
| 20:19.42 | muthu | what's that? |
| 20:19.55 | zhobbs_ | India Pale Ale, usually extremely hoppy |
| 20:20.09 | muthu | we have kingfisher beer |
| 20:20.14 | muthu | that all over india drinks |
| 20:20.24 | muthu | its lager i guess |
| 20:21.11 | muthu | wonder how you folks pick 1 out of 1000? |
| 20:21.32 | jasta | you mean how we can distinguish one beer from another? |
| 20:21.50 | muthu | yeah, how you pick something to drink out of all these varieties |
| 20:22.05 | jasta | well, to me, most beer tastes gross. |
| 20:22.27 | jasta | the remaining ones that don't taste gross, i like and drink :) |
| 20:22.57 | jasta | i typically avoid wheaty beers, lagers and stouts (though Guinness is an exception), and light, watery beers. |
| 20:23.02 | jasta | which leaves, generally, ambers ;) |
| 20:23.14 | davidw | prefers wine |
| 20:23.32 | jasta | muthu: Fat Tire you can find all over the states, and that is a somewhat close approximation to Mac & Jack's. If you're curious. |
| 20:23.40 | muthu | oh yes |
| 20:23.44 | jasta | i say somewhat because it's not as good, but the same basic style. |
| 20:23.54 | muthu | there's a lot of fat tire signs |
| 20:24.17 | muthu | there's a german beer festival for the weekend |
| 20:24.28 | muthu | should be good! |
| 20:25.16 | jasta | my dad told me once: never trust a man that doesn't like beer. |
| 20:25.16 | jasta | ;) |
| 20:25.22 | muthu | haha |
| 20:25.24 | muthu | agree |
| 20:25.35 | muthu | did obama win? |
| 20:25.45 | jasta | the nomination, yes. |
| 20:25.47 | jasta | not the election |
| 20:26.02 | muthu | yeah the nomination,, is it final? |
| 20:26.07 | dmoffett | Beer + Politics = Fight. |
| 20:26.11 | muthu | lol |
| 20:26.29 | jasta | you know, geeks just don't have the same triggers as everyone else |
| 20:26.38 | jasta | choice of editor and programming language? now that will get heated. |
| 20:26.45 | dmoffett | yep |
| 20:26.57 | jasta | btw, it's Vim and C. if you disagree, i will hit you with a chair :) |
| 20:26.58 | dmoffett | We all know emacs is the only way to go. :-) |
| 20:27.20 | muthu | there's eclipse, netbeans, idea |
| 20:27.27 | muthu | the new generation IDE's |
| 20:28.04 | jasta | but they don't count |
| 20:29.55 | dmoffett | Damn I expected a lot of abuse. :-) |
| 20:32.18 | jasta | dmoffett: I have scheduled you for a beating next time i see you. |
| 20:32.21 | zhobbs_ | dmoffett: I'm an emacs man, so no complaint here |
| 20:32.22 | jasta | Don't worry :) |
| 20:32.32 | zhobbs_ | dmoffett: you where at IO right? |
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| 20:32.41 | dmoffett | I think you better let me get a bit older. |
| 20:32.49 | dmoffett | yes |
| 20:33.27 | dmoffett | like maybe 20 years. |
| 20:33.38 | zhobbs_ | how old are you? |
| 20:33.42 | dmoffett | 47 |
| 20:33.46 | jasta | in 20 years i'd feel bad hitting you. |
| 20:33.50 | jasta | so, i'll just steal your wallet |
| 20:34.06 | dmoffett | lol |
| 20:34.53 | dmoffett | I am trained in the ancient art of nintendo. |
| 20:35.34 | muthu | haha |
| 20:42.11 | davidw | Emacs |
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| 21:53.10 | muthu | new article in HA |
| 21:53.21 | muthu | after a very long time |
| 21:53.30 | muthu | zhobbs: you writing again ;) |
| 21:59.47 | jasta | zhobbs: can you update my link to http://five.googlecode.com :) |
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| 22:34.24 | zhobbs | muthu: I still remember how to write |
| 22:34.34 | zhobbs | i rite good |
| 22:34.54 | duey | my england is the best |
| 22:35.30 | zhobbs | jasta: your link in that story or on your app's page? |
| 22:37.04 | zhobbs | changed on your app's page, I'll change in story if that's what you were talking about |
| 22:37.22 | muthu | zhobbs: that's his new link |
| 22:41.45 | zhobbs | they need something like this for coders: |
| 22:41.46 | zhobbs | http://readatwork.com/ |
| 22:42.06 | zhobbs | they need one that takes ebooks and makes it look like source code or something |
| 22:43.09 | muthu | then you can basically write in a book |
| 22:43.18 | muthu | we can submit a novel for ADC! |
| 22:44.04 | zhobbs | yeah, turn in a novel for cooking capsules |
| 22:44.10 | zhobbs | helps my odds |
| 22:44.30 | jasta | zhobbs: no, i meant in the app db |
| 22:44.36 | jasta | i dont care if you link internally to helloandroid |
| 22:44.47 | zhobbs | ok, that's fixed |
| 22:44.50 | muthu | zhobbs: a cookbook for cc :) |
| 22:45.26 | muthu | cooking and media player can coexist |
| 22:45.31 | muthu | no conflicts there |
| 22:46.04 | muthu | i knew a mediaplayer will win, but thought it would be jasta |
| 22:46.23 | jasta | zhobbs hoped otherwise ;) |
| 22:46.29 | muthu | but then you came in the final stretch from nowhere and annonced tunewiki |
| 22:46.47 | jasta | TuneWiki was public all along, muthu |
| 22:46.50 | zhobbs | I wouldn't care if Five won, just as long as TuneWiki was in there too |
| 22:46.54 | muthu | i didn't know zhobbs was working on tunewiki |
| 22:46.57 | jasta | in fact, it already exists for the iPhone, and did all along. |
| 22:47.07 | muthu | yeah, but zhobbs kept it a secret |
| 22:47.14 | zhobbs | did i? |
| 22:47.16 | jasta | he did? |
| 22:47.32 | muthu | zhobbs: you said you were working on 2 apps |
| 22:47.33 | zhobbs | no, I said openly I was working on a media player |
| 22:47.50 | muthu | hmmm |
| 22:47.54 | jasta | i remember talking with zhobbs here about his media player at least a month before the deadline |
| 22:47.57 | zhobbs | at least I talked about it with jasta, because we had some of the same probs |
| 22:48.08 | muthu | ok, i must have missed |
| 22:48.12 | zhobbs | the accuweather app I kept a little quieter I though |
| 22:48.14 | zhobbs | thought |
| 22:48.27 | jasta | zhobbs: btw, chad and that other guy are assholes ;) |
| 22:48.35 | muthu | who's chad? |
| 22:48.38 | zhobbs | ha |
| 22:48.43 | muthu | oh tunewiki folks |
| 22:48.47 | zhobbs | yah |
| 22:49.05 | zhobbs | I get along with all the tunewiki guys...we had a lot of fun out there |
| 22:49.20 | muthu | hey you had a tunewiki party? |
| 22:49.26 | zhobbs | not really |
| 22:49.32 | muthu | ok |
| 22:51.12 | jasta | i met them all at I/O during the after hours thing and frankly, they were less than polite :) |
| 22:51.25 | jasta | not tha ti care, but i was a bit surprised. |
| 22:51.41 | muthu | what they did? |
| 22:51.57 | zhobbs | well, I think they took it personally when you came down on chad that one day...and that's understandable |
| 22:52.30 | muthu | was it during the party? |
| 22:52.32 | zhobbs | yeah, the google party |
| 22:53.07 | muthu | did jasta say something to chad? |
| 22:53.37 | zhobbs | he told chad that he creeped him out or something |
| 22:53.59 | muthu | haha |
| 22:54.11 | muthu | jasta: then why are you surprised? |
| 22:54.33 | jasta | zhobbs: Well actually, Chad asked me why I wasn't taking him seriously. |
| 22:54.44 | jasta | And I responded initially with other more professional reasons. |
| 22:54.46 | jasta | But he kept pressing the issue. |
| 22:55.03 | zhobbs | did you ever straight up say no before that point? |
| 22:55.08 | jasta | So, I decided he would not stop unless I explained myself, side-stepping professionalism. |
| 22:55.15 | jasta | zhobbs: Yes, quite a few times. |
| 22:55.20 | jasta | In fact, I had said no the day before. |
| 22:55.34 | jasta | And that is when he started becoming most aggressive. |
| 22:55.39 | jasta | Which, I find creepy. |
| 22:55.51 | jasta | Perhaps you did not see this because you said "yes" :) |
| 22:56.27 | jasta | But why others working for him would take personal offense to a dialog that did not concern me is, ...not understandable. |
| 22:56.48 | muthu | they were being loyal i guess |
| 22:57.25 | jasta | Loyal to him personally? Do they hate the girlfriends that broke his heart too? :) |
| 22:57.31 | muthu | lol |
| 22:57.43 | muthu | or may be you pissed off everyone |
| 22:58.06 | jasta | Maybe. But I believe my arguments made perfect sense. His unwillingness to accept them did not. |
| 22:58.44 | jasta | Ultimately, I refused on the grounds that I prefer my application, and at least one music player in particular, be open source. |
| 22:58.56 | zhobbs | which is fine |
| 22:59.03 | jasta | He took that to mean that I was "against making money", his words exactly, despite my current and previous gainful employment as a software engineer. |
| 22:59.20 | jasta | One of the members of TuneWiki reiterated that unusual, illogical conclusion at I/O, too. |
| 22:59.21 | zhobbs | we've asked others who were not interested and there wasn't any problems |
| 22:59.45 | muthu | what did you ask jasta? |
| 22:59.51 | muthu | to join your team? |
| 22:59.53 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 22:59.59 | muthu | oh ok |
| 22:59.59 | jasta | I didn't ask to join their team. |
| 23:00.09 | jasta | Or was that a typo? |
| 23:00.16 | duey | hihihi |
| 23:00.19 | muthu | jasta: it was for zhobbs |
| 23:00.29 | duey | looks like a bit of a rant |
| 23:00.34 | zhobbs | hehe |
| 23:01.02 | muthu | mornin duey |
| 23:01.06 | duey | hi |
| 23:01.11 | muthu | how is nzzz today? |
| 23:01.21 | duey | cold, sunny and i have a test :( |
| 23:01.23 | jasta | duey: I was just surprised, is all. Usually folks are not quite so rude within the first 3 seconds of meeting them. |
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| 23:01.43 | jasta | Not regarding Chad, mostly the taller, older guy standing next to him, who had not previously interacted with me. |
| 23:01.55 | muthu | what he said? |
| 23:02.11 | zhobbs | haha, muthu loves drama :) |
| 23:02.18 | duey | ad break |
| 23:02.20 | muthu | if you thought he was rude, did you tell him? |
| 23:02.26 | muthu | zhobbs: :) |
| 23:02.28 | jasta | He was just awkwardly reiterating Chad's argument that I was "against making money", and had suggested that I was not employed, nor have I made any significant contributions in the software industry. |
| 23:02.48 | muthu | oh oh |
| 23:02.50 | jasta | muthu: I commented to Zach, and then left. |
| 23:03.21 | muthu | hmm ok |
| 23:03.32 | muthu | you could have told the old guy directly |
| 23:04.25 | jasta | I might have, if not for having the graceful option of having another beer and talking to someone interesting :) |
| 23:04.36 | muthu | haha |
| 23:05.04 | muthu | zhobbs: i missed out on the tunewiki team |
| 23:05.10 | zhobbs | muthu: yeah I know |
| 23:05.18 | zhobbs | not sure how you missed us at the party |
| 23:05.20 | muthu | you could've introduced man! |
| 23:05.34 | muthu | the party was very small for me |
| 23:05.41 | muthu | we have like 10 folks and that's it |
| 23:05.43 | jasta | zhobbs: Did you guys go inside at all? I noticed a lot of the Android nerds were sitting outside :) |
| 23:06.01 | zhobbs | in the birds of a feather area? |
| 23:06.12 | muthu | what's that about? |
| 23:06.13 | zhobbs | no, we were inside |
| 23:06.15 | jasta | I think that's what it was, right outside the main entrance. |
| 23:06.16 | muthu | i did not go there |
| 23:06.21 | zhobbs | oh |
| 23:06.31 | jasta | Jeffrey was out tehre, and that's where I noticed Zach et al. |
| 23:06.40 | jasta | and a few other folks I recognized, including Dan and Jason. |
| 23:06.56 | zhobbs | yeah, that was the "birds of a feather" area |
| 23:07.04 | muthu | i somehow thought that's a boring event |
| 23:07.10 | muthu | and never went there |
| 23:07.10 | zhobbs | no, we were inside...nearer to the stage in anticipation |
| 23:07.28 | jasta | zhobbs: Really? I didn't meet you guys inside. |
| 23:07.43 | jasta | That was hours into the after party, I thought. |
| 23:07.49 | jasta | I left shortly after that |
| 23:07.57 | zhobbs | we walked out there to say what's up to all the android people, but went back out to the party area after we talked to you |
| 23:08.27 | jasta | I think a bunch of people were out there mostly to talk to Dan, but I dunno why he was out there all night :) |
| 23:08.38 | jasta | I was sick of talking to Dan. He had nothing new to say :) |
| 23:09.53 | jasta | The after hours thing was sort of lame for me because my friends left. |
| 23:11.14 | muthu | where they went? |
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| 23:30.57 | jasta | muthu: Phil went to have dinner with his non-Google friend, and the rest of them went home |
| 23:31.06 | jasta | then I had to leave at 8 to meet my friend, and meet back up with Phil after that |
| 23:31.22 | muthu | oh ojk |
| 23:48.42 | jasta | i just hung out inside having a few beers and shooting pool |