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| 05:06.33 | ignu_ | hello any body can help me out |
| 05:06.56 | ignu_ | i have a problem in my android |
| 05:07.08 | ignu_ | Application Home not responding |
| 05:09.57 | ignu_ | i cant see maps on my android |
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| 06:06.10 | umdk1d3-io | rawr sleep time |
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| 07:14.18 | NiZoX | hi |
| 07:14.40 | NiZoX | new version of android here: http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/28/live-from-google-io/ |
| 07:17.23 | Hai-Fai | don't make my heart explode saying that.. on this channel it means that you have a new sdk and one can go and download it from there |
| 07:17.49 | duey | indeed |
| 07:20.16 | NiZoX | :D |
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| 09:42.27 | cutmasta | does somebody know if enkin won? |
| 09:42.33 | cutmasta | if not, i know why |
| 09:42.35 | cutmasta | perhaps |
| 09:42.50 | duey | they didn't |
| 09:43.14 | cutmasta | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PRfVKzuUJ4 |
| 09:43.23 | cutmasta | google did nearly the same job |
| 09:43.33 | cutmasta | excluding real time video capture |
| 09:43.37 | duey | cutmasta, enkin were contacted by google |
| 09:43.41 | cutmasta | perhaps thats the reasion |
| 09:44.53 | romainguy | Enkin was not relying on the emulator alone |
| 09:45.12 | romainguy | and the contest, I believe, required to use only the emulator/SDK |
| 09:45.21 | cutmasta | romainguy, ah yes |
| 09:45.24 | cutmasta | you are right |
| 09:45.28 | cutmasta | thats also a possible reason |
| 09:46.14 | romainguy | it has nothing to do with the fact that we have compass support in streetview |
| 09:46.29 | romainguy | especially since most judges were not from Google |
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| 12:06.37 | cutmasta | is away (away) |
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| 12:47.57 | Dougie187 | good morning everyone |
| 12:48.06 | volmarias | good morning |
| 12:48.20 | Dougie187 | How are you this morning? |
| 12:49.23 | Hai-Fai | evening |
| 12:50.02 | volmarias | alright |
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| 13:05.24 | Dougie187 | maybe today we will get our announcement |
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| 14:02.19 | cant_get_started | hi I need some help with getting the SDK setup |
| 14:02.36 | cant_get_started | i get the following error after installing |
| 14:02.45 | Dougie187 | are you on windows? |
| 14:02.55 | cant_get_started | could not find \android.jar! |
| 14:02.57 | cant_get_started | yes |
| 14:03.08 | Dougie187 | i cant help. sorry. dont have windows around. |
| 14:03.14 | cant_get_started | :( |
| 14:03.19 | cant_get_started | ty anyway |
| 14:04.59 | Dougie187 | what are you trying to run that gives you the android.jar error? |
| 14:05.02 | cant_get_started | by any chance do you know |
| 14:05.22 | cant_get_started | do I need to download and install the SDK and add the pugin to eclipse? |
| 14:05.51 | Dougie187 | well what are you trying to do? |
| 14:06.00 | Dougie187 | and you dont need to install the plugin to eclipse at all. |
| 14:06.03 | Dougie187 | thats just to help develop code. |
| 14:06.06 | cant_get_started | just starting to learn |
| 14:06.14 | Dougie187 | but are you trying to run the emulator? |
| 14:06.29 | cant_get_started | I get the error when I just open eclipse |
| 14:07.00 | Dougie187 | well. i would say thats something wrong with one of your paths or the way eclipse is set up. |
| 14:07.17 | Dougie187 | or maybe your android.jar file isnt in the place its supposed to be. |
| 14:07.40 | Dougie187 | did you add the tools directory to your path? |
| 14:08.03 | cant_get_started | no |
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| 14:08.21 | Dougie187 | you should try that. |
| 14:08.28 | Dougie187 | i dont know if it will fix your issue. |
| 14:08.45 | Dougie187 | but it might give you a place to start. |
| 14:08.50 | Dougie187 | ill brb i have to make a phone call. |
| 14:09.01 | cant_get_started | kk |
| 14:14.30 | cutmasta | is away (away) |
| 14:14.42 | cant_get_started | figured it out |
| 14:14.53 | cant_get_started | just downloading the plugin is NOT enough |
| 14:15.08 | cant_get_started | you need the sdk (which has the .jar file) |
| 14:15.12 | cant_get_started | makes sense |
| 14:21.57 | Dougie187 | Oh hah. |
| 14:21.58 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 14:22.05 | Dougie187 | You dont have to use Eclipse at all actually. |
| 14:22.11 | Dougie187 | thats just one of the many options to develop code. |
| 14:23.02 | Dougie187 | so its all working now? |
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| 14:30.05 | cant_get_started | yep |
| 14:30.19 | cant_get_started | I am use to ecipse from php stuff |
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| 14:44.08 | Dougie187 | thats good that its working now. |
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| 14:53.54 | TopoMorto | newbie question: HelloAndroid + eclipse problem, when i run the program i recive this error "Conversion to Dalvik format failed with error 1", could someone help please? |
| 14:54.36 | umdk1d3-io | rawr |
| 14:54.54 | umdk1d3-io | also detailed pics from dalvik sessn for those who couldnt make it: http://flickr.com/photos/8326556@N08/ |
| 14:55.01 | umdk1d3-io | if ya didnt see the link yday |
| 14:55.58 | Dougie187 | are you back home umdk1d3-io? |
| 14:59.46 | umdk1d3-io | not yet, hanging around the valley and cali for the next week |
| 15:00.25 | umdk1d3-io | the adc2 private msg board already has like 2 dozen topics lol |
| 15:00.26 | Dougie187 | sounds like a nice vacation. |
| 15:00.37 | Dougie187 | adc2? as in adc round 2? |
| 15:00.46 | umdk1d3-io | well adc1.2 or whatever lol |
| 15:00.46 | Dougie187 | or actually adc2? |
| 15:00.49 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:00.50 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:00.52 | Dougie187 | just making sure. |
| 15:02.47 | volmarias | TopoMorto: That's strange. |
| 15:02.58 | volmarias | have you searched the android discussion groups for that? |
| 15:03.19 | volmarias | Also, is the eclipse plugin setup correctly? |
| 15:04.36 | TopoMorto | volmarias, i have googled oround with no solotion :(( |
| 15:04.37 | volmarias | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/f24b9a56712239e9/5cf1dbc4444a4a7a |
| 15:04.53 | volmarias | Thumbs.db is a file generated by Vista's Explorer, containing the thumbnails |
| 15:04.53 | volmarias | of the image files in your res/drawable directory. the current SDK doesn't |
| 15:04.56 | volmarias | deal correctly with these. |
| 15:05.27 | volmarias | can you pastebin what the output is? |
| 15:06.12 | TopoMorto | i'm using ubitu, yes, i will pastebin the output :) |
| 15:06.19 | TopoMorto | *ubuntu |
| 15:08.18 | TopoMorto | look here :) http://pastebin.com/d38b0b832 |
| 15:09.14 | volmarias | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/ac57ffcc35c0ae3d/f0c69ca27a104774?lnk=gst&q=dalvik+error+1#f0c69ca27a104774 |
| 15:09.21 | volmarias | haven't looked, but make sure it's using the right version of java |
| 15:09.28 | volmarias | let me see now. |
| 15:09.41 | volmarias | yeah |
| 15:09.45 | volmarias | this looks a lot like this |
| 15:09.46 | volmarias | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/ac57ffcc35c0ae3d/f0c69ca27a104774?lnk=gst&q=dalvik+error+1#f0c69ca27a104774 |
| 15:09.49 | volmarias | check your path |
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| 15:15.57 | jasta | hehe, intense |
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| 15:23.04 | Dougie187 | hows it going jasta |
| 15:23.12 | jasta | pretty fantastic really |
| 15:23.22 | jasta | i had an awesome time at I/O |
| 15:23.26 | jasta | iw as really surprised |
| 15:23.57 | Dougie187 | i heard you went to the android sessions as well |
| 15:24.05 | jasta | actually not really |
| 15:24.20 | jasta | i went to the Dalvik VM session and that was kind o fit |
| 15:24.28 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 15:24.32 | jasta | i half passed out during the Mobile Mashups one. I was just sitting there to avoid puking ;) |
| 15:24.48 | volmarias | drink a lot I see |
| 15:24.59 | jasta | oh yeah |
| 15:25.03 | jasta | Wed night was insane |
| 15:25.12 | jasta | i was out until 4am |
| 15:25.24 | jasta | rolled with one of the Google employees |
| 15:25.26 | Dougie187 | hah yeah i heard you overslept for thursday too |
| 15:25.40 | jasta | i didnt oversleep hehe, i knew i wasn't gonna be in until 11 :) |
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| 15:26.47 | volmarias | TopoMorto: working? |
| 15:26.51 | Dougie187 | haha |
| 15:27.06 | jasta | during the fireside chat forum i was tempted to blast them about the SDK madness |
| 15:27.07 | Dougie187 | did you complain about android to your google buddy? |
| 15:27.22 | TopoMorto | volmarias, it doen't look ;)) i will look again at it tomorrow :)) |
| 15:27.23 | Dougie187 | yeah they still havent announced anything as far as public access to the new sdk |
| 15:27.26 | jasta | the forum was just like 6 or 7 android engineer type guys and a bunch of people firing off questions |
| 15:27.54 | jasta | but i honestly have just given up on the issue |
| 15:28.04 | jasta | i'm not going to be able to change their mind |
| 15:28.54 | jasta | i will say that i was unimpressed that Jason Chen had not prepared any response to me. |
| 15:29.04 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:29.09 | jasta | he specifically mentioned that he'd like to talk to me about the issue to try to clear some things up |
| 15:29.26 | jasta | which now i realize was disingenuous |
| 15:29.56 | volmarias | Most unfortunate, they've insulted J. Random Hacker |
| 15:30.09 | volmarias | the wrath of the FOSS community shall bear down upon them |
| 15:30.23 | volmarias | from the depths of my parents basement, I curse thee! |
| 15:30.38 | volmarias | from the bottom of my neckbeard, I spit at thee! |
| 15:30.45 | volmarias | kidding |
| 15:31.34 | jasta | i'm honestly just embarrassed fo rthem. they won't confess to mismanagement of the issue, and yet they won't give any details. |
| 15:31.57 | jasta | and i don't mean they as in Dan or Jason. |
| 15:32.14 | volmarias | they're under pretty big time pressure, trying to have everything wrapped up so that HTC can launch their product |
| 15:32.25 | volmarias | said product will probably involve some clever trade secret or another |
| 15:32.38 | Dougie187 | but still |
| 15:32.39 | volmarias | and they don't want to deal with some people they've never heard of screaming for a buggy sdk |
| 15:32.48 | Dougie187 | we were supposed to get an announcement last friday or tuesday. |
| 15:32.54 | volmarias | insisting that they'll sign an NDA, of which there may be dubious merit of keeping |
| 15:33.05 | volmarias | surprise, slips happen |
| 15:33.11 | volmarias | there is no android conspiracy or mismanagement |
| 15:33.19 | Dougie187 | they shouldnt have let the winners of ADC1 have access to it personally. |
| 15:33.28 | Dougie187 | (thats my opinion) |
| 15:33.41 | Dougie187 | i think they didnt think that through well enough. |
| 15:33.42 | volmarias | I disagree, they want the winners to have their apps ready from the moment it launches |
| 15:33.49 | Dougie187 | what about the community? |
| 15:33.51 | volmarias | they've performed a risk/reward analysis |
| 15:33.57 | Dougie187 | and all the 1738 apps that didnt win |
| 15:34.01 | Dougie187 | or got into the top 25%? |
| 15:34.07 | Dougie187 | none of those will be ready. |
| 15:34.14 | Dougie187 | plus, they talk about how the SDK is buggy as hell. |
| 15:34.19 | Dougie187 | so how are apps going to be ready with that? |
| 15:34.28 | volmarias | I'm assuming it will be updated as time goes by |
| 15:34.31 | Dougie187 | people are going to spend most of their time fixing the bugs rather then finishing their apps. |
| 15:34.50 | volmarias | with explicit notices "XYZ isn't done yet, don't fucking touch it : (" |
| 15:34.58 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 15:35.04 | Dougie187 | i just think its a poor move. |
| 15:35.12 | volmarias | they don't want the public to see a shitty, buggy sdk and think that it reflects the software as a whole |
| 15:35.26 | Dougie187 | well. they kinda screwed a lot of the public. |
| 15:35.29 | Dougie187 | well. |
| 15:35.30 | Dougie187 | not a lot. |
| 15:35.33 | Dougie187 | but the community. |
| 15:35.36 | Dougie187 | a good 1738 teams. |
| 15:35.41 | volmarias | yeah |
| 15:35.45 | volmarias | look |
| 15:35.52 | volmarias | I'm going to say 1000 of those entries are crap |
| 15:35.56 | volmarias | because I've seen my friend's entry |
| 15:35.57 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 15:36.00 | volmarias | and it was barely functional crap |
| 15:36.03 | volmarias | and somehow, he's at 50%? |
| 15:36.05 | Dougie187 | well then, 738 |
| 15:36.12 | Dougie187 | well was it a decent idea? |
| 15:36.21 | volmarias | to be honest |
| 15:36.37 | volmarias | I'm willing to bet that there are less than 100 apps, INCLUDING rnd1 winners that are anywhere near ready for prime time |
| 15:37.00 | volmarias | look at some of the choices they picked |
| 15:37.01 | Dougie187 | true, but they should allow all of them access to the new SDK. |
| 15:37.03 | volmarias | Fashion closet? |
| 15:37.04 | Dougie187 | so they can all get ready. |
| 15:37.07 | volmarias | seriously? |
| 15:37.32 | volmarias | given the time alloted for round 1, I think they've decided that anyone who cares has already made their submission |
| 15:37.42 | volmarias | and that the final entry reflects that |
| 15:37.54 | Dougie187 | i didnt make an entry. |
| 15:38.01 | volmarias | neither did I |
| 15:38.05 | Dougie187 | i was hoping to spend some of the time this summer making an app for ADC2 |
| 15:38.07 | Dougie187 | but now i cant. |
| 15:38.09 | volmarias | obviously, you don't need the sdk bad enough. |
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| 15:38.43 | volmarias | remember, they're not running contests because that's a sooper neato keen way of giving back to the community |
| 15:39.05 | volmarias | they're doing it because its an amazingly cheap way to A) get good launch software and B) get a group of people who are ready, willing, and able to do android dev, even with broken software |
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| 15:39.18 | Dougie187 | theres jasonchen jasta. |
| 15:39.18 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:39.50 | jasonchen | hmmm? |
| 15:40.00 | Dougie187 | I agree with your reasons. volmarias, but i think that A could be done a bit better. |
| 15:40.03 | volmarias | jasta is very displeased that you ahve personally slighted him by not giving him personal access to the SDK |
| 15:40.10 | Dougie187 | no. |
| 15:40.12 | Dougie187 | thats not what he said. |
| 15:40.16 | volmarias | I know. |
| 15:40.20 | volmarias | I was being humorous |
| 15:40.25 | Dougie187 | oh. |
| 15:40.28 | Dougie187 | i couldnt tell. |
| 15:40.28 | Dougie187 | sorry |
| 15:40.30 | volmarias | :( |
| 15:40.46 | Dougie187 | he was displeased that you didnt address his issues at IO |
| 15:40.57 | volmarias | jasonchen: The non public sdk has A) broken and B) secret parts, and this is why only the ADC winners are given access, correct? |
| 15:41.16 | Dougie187 | totally i know that stuff volmarias |
| 15:41.27 | volmarias | I am suggesting that ADC round 1 was used as a weeding process to choose who to show their dark secrets to |
| 15:41.44 | volmarias | Dougie187 believes that everyone should see it anyway, or at least be given the option |
| 15:42.01 | Dougie187 | well ive told him that before. |
| 15:42.06 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:42.06 | volmarias | also, your curly brace style is heresy. |
| 15:42.12 | Dougie187 | we have had a discussion. |
| 15:42.25 | Dougie187 | im just waiting for their announcement. |
| 15:42.28 | jasonchen | you don't like our curly-brace style? |
| 15:42.52 | volmarias | I meant Dougie187 |
| 15:42.56 | volmarias | but I'm sure your style is terrible too |
| 15:43.04 | volmarias | I don't know, I can only decompile the bytecode |
| 15:43.15 | volmarias | only I have the One True Curly Brace Style |
| 15:43.30 | jasonchen | i guess all the apidemos weren't enough, eh? |
| 15:43.42 | volmarias | oh, well, that slipped my mind. |
| 15:43.48 | volmarias | you win this round.... |
| 15:43.57 | volmarias | shakes fist |
| 15:43.58 | jasonchen | eventually you'll have GBs worth of code to look through to see if we're curly-bracing the way you like :-P |
| 15:44.04 | Dougie187 | hey jasonchen, any idea about the announcement? |
| 15:45.08 | jasonchen | Dougie187: just got into the office, so i need to talk to my compatriots to find out what's going on |
| 15:45.26 | jasonchen | i've been shaking hands and giving talks for the last two days. |
| 15:45.40 | Dougie187 | so i hear. |
| 15:45.41 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:45.41 | jasonchen | so i'm a bit out of the loop as to the day-to-day |
| 15:46.01 | Dougie187 | it happens. |
| 15:46.50 | umdk1d3-io | hotel wireless sux lol |
| 15:47.20 | jasonchen | umdk1d3-io: hopefully you don't have to pay for it. that's when it sucks the most. |
| 15:47.36 | Dougie187 | thats like stupid airport wireless. |
| 15:47.40 | Dougie187 | with that sprint crap |
| 15:47.48 | umdk1d3-io | well i found some free wifi outsided moscone |
| 15:48.00 | umdk1d3-io | linksys or slomethin lol- |
| 15:48.06 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:48.23 | umdk1d3-io | everything wrappen in ssh/ssl of course ;) |
| 15:49.13 | jasonchen | umdk1d3-io: if you're in SF there's a company putting up APs w/ the SSID "Free the Net" that should be open and available. |
| 15:49.34 | umdk1d3-io | aha i saw one but it was too weak |
| 15:49.42 | volmarias | totally weaksauce |
| 15:49.48 | volmarias | speaking of sauce, lunchtime |
| 15:50.58 | Dougie187 | that it is |
| 15:55.42 | TopoMorto | is going to cook a very cool dish "Lasagne" :)) |
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| 15:57.55 | jasta | umdk1d3-io: sup :) |
| 16:01.14 | jasta | brb, getting ready for work |
| 16:01.26 | jasta | man, i feel more hungover today than on thursday, but that makes no sense :) |
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| 16:16.48 | jasonchen | jasta: i have the same post-conference hangover. must have been something in the air at moscone. :-) |
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| 16:19.11 | jasta | i think it was the 4 sake bombs i did at some random sushi bar in the ghetto of SF |
| 16:20.12 | jasta | Wed night was so insane |
| 16:20.21 | jasta | I went out with Phil and one of his non-Google friends |
| 16:20.53 | jasta | and my Loopt buddy and his gf |
| 16:21.34 | jasta | we were in this dodgy neighborhood and we had the same idea that Dan presented the very next day |
| 16:21.52 | jasta | about an app which combines your location with crime data by neighborhood |
| 16:22.01 | jasta | to alert you when you should get a taxi and not hang out there drunk |
| 16:22.15 | jasonchen | you must have been in the tenderloin |
| 16:22.21 | jasta | i think the app would have been going mental where we were. hardly any street lights, nothing open for at least 2 blocks |
| 16:22.29 | jasta | we went to this place called Butter but it was closed down for some reason. |
| 16:22.33 | jasta | we originally hit the Zeitgeist |
| 16:22.40 | jasonchen | jasta: who do you know at loopt? i've met sam altman and some other folks. |
| 16:22.51 | jasta | then after we realized Butter was closed walked around a bit and hit this Sushi Bar called Dragon something I think |
| 16:22.57 | jasta | then hit the Irish Bank |
| 16:23.03 | jasta | and some 24 hour diner, and finally back to the hotel at 4am |
| 16:23.21 | jasonchen | nice. sounds like you made a good round of places in SoMa. |
| 16:23.22 | jasta | I know Fred Potter, he was roaming around with me at I/O on Thursday. |
| 16:24.13 | jasonchen | ah, ok. not sure i've met him before. |
| 16:24.19 | jasta | he used to my roommate and stuff before he moved down there to work at Loopt |
| 16:24.56 | jasonchen | cool. are you still here in the bay area or back home? |
| 16:25.06 | jasta | back home now |
| 16:25.19 | jasta | i left thu night, i actually had to skip early on the android fireside chat |
| 16:25.39 | jasonchen | ah, you missed out. we had andy, steve, and 6 tech leads there. |
| 16:25.48 | jasta | no i was there for a good chunk of it |
| 16:25.59 | jasonchen | oh, right. didn't quite grok that. |
| 16:26.18 | jasta | i thought about causing trouble and asking about all this evilness |
| 16:26.36 | jasta | but i decided i'd not make a memorable impression with Andy that way :) |
| 16:26.43 | jasonchen | you should have. andy, et. al were there to answer tough questions. |
| 16:27.26 | jasta | well, it didn't seem like it. |
| 16:27.44 | jasta | most of the tough questions that had a lot of unknowns got kind of dodged answers |
| 16:27.57 | jasta | like "well, the OHA can do what it wants." which is basically "no comment." |
| 16:28.44 | jasta | i do appreciate the general strategy, though. a heavy handed approach would never work against the current US telcos |
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| 16:29.26 | jasta | but i think we all know what that means for Android right out of the gate |
| 16:30.21 | morrildl | oh goodie |
| 16:30.32 | morrildl | did I come in the middle of another "fun" discussion? ;) |
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| 16:30.57 | jasonchen | jasta: what's that? |
| 16:30.59 | dmoffett | jasta: are you going to leave us hanging? |
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| 16:31.55 | jasta | i was brushing my teeth |
| 16:31.59 | dmoffett | Apple seemed to be able to get things from AT&T. It seems like Google would have some leverage as well. |
| 16:32.12 | jasta | jasonchen: that Android will just be another software platform running atop the very traditional business model of existing carriers and manufacturers. |
| 16:32.36 | jasta | That it would be reasonably locked to a particular carrier, would not have a shot of otherwise extending openness of the network or its features, etc. |
| 16:33.13 | Dougie187 | nice im back |
| 16:33.15 | Dougie187 | now i get to catch up |
| 16:34.17 | jasta | morrildl eluded to precisely that while i talked to him at I/O. Android is not in the business of clubbing the industry into openness, merely by hoping they adopt it naturally from their "good" example. |
| 16:34.50 | jasta | So, it would not be reasonable to assume Android, as it starts, will have changed much. |
| 16:35.31 | dmoffett | Internet access outside of the cell networks will force the cell companies into more open access |
| 16:35.41 | jasta | Eventually, yeah I think that's likely to happen. |
| 16:35.54 | jasta | but I don't think Android will be an immediate catalyst to any great change in the industry at large. |
| 16:36.19 | dmoffett | Market forces are even more powerful than even big companies as we have seen. |
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| 16:36.36 | morrildl | yes, Google is not a telecom company, we don't pretend to know how to be one, and we don't really aim come out of the gate and destroy business models. We're in it for the long haul |
| 16:37.02 | muthu | good IO |
| 16:37.14 | morrildl | besides, historically revolutions have a high risk of replacing one bad status quo with another |
| 16:37.14 | jasta | Right and as I said, that is why I think we can all reasonably assume what Android will be out of the gate. |
| 16:37.19 | muthu | android chat was cool |
| 16:37.27 | jasta | A phone, nothing remarkable otheriwse. |
| 16:37.40 | morrildl | jasta: well, a phone and a ton of source code, at least :) |
| 16:38.06 | jasta | i was disappointed to hear that Google apps would not be part of that source. |
| 16:38.15 | jasta | what about all the other utilities? |
| 16:39.14 | jasta | bbl, heading into work |
| 16:44.50 | morrildl | Whether the Google apps will be open sourced is not a decision that's made yet. It could go either way |
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| 17:02.12 | jasta | you were the one that said they were in a separate source tree and are not otherwise being considered when you say that the platform will be open sourced |
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| 17:20.35 | volmarias | Actually, I've got a few questions that i'd like answered. |
| 17:20.56 | volmarias | how will the OHA prevent the balkanization of the platform in the same way that J2ME is |
| 17:21.14 | volmarias | programming for j2me involves tons and tons of ifdefs because no one has the asme standards |
| 17:21.27 | volmarias | meanwhile, manufacturers and vendors will actually be CUTTING parts of the sdk |
| 17:21.54 | volmarias | Also, for touch screen only phones, how does the keyboard work? |
| 17:23.14 | jasta | the short answer is that there is no protection against the evils of this industry |
| 17:24.00 | jasta | the long answer is that there REALLY is no protection against the evils of this industry :) Google is just releasing it for the carriers and manufacturers to butcher and abuse to their whim, which will certainly yield a less than satisfactory result. |
| 17:25.54 | volmarias | right |
| 17:26.11 | volmarias | so, the keyboard |
| 17:26.15 | volmarias | how does that one work |
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| 18:01.01 | jasta | lol, i have 50 voicemails at work |
| 18:01.09 | jasta | don't these fools know that i never check my voicemail? |
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| 18:18.36 | romainguy | re |
| 18:21.17 | jasta | hey romain, we missed you at I/O :) |
| 18:21.28 | jasta | how was/is vacation? |
| 18:21.31 | romainguy | good :) |
| 18:23.08 | romainguy | did you enjoy I/O? |
| 18:23.19 | jasta | yeah actually i did |
| 18:23.35 | jasta | it was fun, which was most important of all to me |
| 18:23.57 | romainguy | cool, glad to hear that |
| 18:23.59 | jasta | obviously i learned nothing about Android, though. the sessions were pretty elementary. |
| 18:24.19 | romainguy | it's not obvious, but sure :) |
| 18:24.28 | romainguy | (for instance the Dalvik talk :p) |
| 18:24.32 | jasta | the free food and drinks sure helped with my hangover on Thursday, too ;) |
| 18:24.42 | jasta | actually, the Dalvik talk was the main one i wanted to catch. |
| 18:24.52 | jasta | and i did, but it was much more obvious and generic than i expected. |
| 18:25.10 | jasta | it started out strong, with details about the file format and execution approach |
| 18:25.37 | jasta | but ultimately the pieces i was intrigued about, how it fits in particular into Android handsets, was generalized. |
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| 18:26.27 | jasta | the advice section boiled down to: "don't allocate unnecessary and iterate intelligently", which should be obvious to anyone. |
| 18:26.30 | jasta | unnecessarily* |
| 18:26.41 | romainguy | unfortunately it is not obvious |
| 18:26.55 | romainguy | (to everyone I mean) |
| 18:27.09 | jasta | but all in all, yeah, i had a great time. |
| 18:27.21 | jasta | meeting pawalls was a big highlight for me, i went out drinking with him wed night |
| 18:27.28 | romainguy | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=732 << when I see that kind of bug report... @!# |
| 18:29.36 | jasta | hehe, i don't even understand what he's hinting at. what did he expect, that 60% of the time would be spent in his code doing trivial processing of the data? |
| 18:30.11 | romainguy | my take is that when you parse an XML file that occupies 4 MB when gzipped and that file is read across the network, all that on a cellphone, you are in big trouble |
| 18:30.12 | jasta | also, seriously? a 4.4MB gzipped XML file? christ ;) |
| 18:30.56 | jasta | romainguy: right, but the more suprising point is that he otherwise did not expect the gzip and XML parsing routines to dominate the CPU usage. |
| 18:31.06 | romainguy | true |
| 18:31.33 | jasta | because the layering of his problem probably looks like gunzip -> XML parser -> trivially index or store. |
| 18:31.49 | jasta | how he would not expect the first 2 steps to be the most demanding is odd. |
| 18:32.08 | jasta | anyway |
| 18:32.22 | romainguy | ah |
| 18:32.32 | romainguy | ArsTechnica got the Home shortcuts description right: http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080530-android-struts-its-stuff-with-new-features-more-integration.html |
| 18:32.36 | jasta | romainguy: i ultimately was well behaved at I/O, if you're curious |
| 18:32.39 | romainguy | it's the only correct description I've read |
| 18:34.00 | jasta | i did not quite "get" the keynote. |
| 18:34.23 | romainguy | how so? |
| 18:34.27 | jasta | i mean, the Android part in particular. everyone is so excited by what they saw of the phone, but it doesn't seem hardly different from M5 that we saw running on reference boards? |
| 18:34.50 | jasta | the home screen UI is barely different, and the introduction of sliding around to various workspaces is neat but otherwise not very huge. |
| 18:34.57 | jasta | other than that, all the UI looked the same to me |
| 18:35.00 | romainguy | the Home screen is very different :p |
| 18:35.05 | jasta | and he didn't demo much. just maps? |
| 18:36.16 | jasta | i dunno, maybe i'm just not impressed by the demo approach. we didn't see much new meat. |
| 18:37.22 | davidw | jasta, so how'd google IO go? |
| 18:38.26 | jasta | it was good |
| 18:38.28 | jasta | very fun |
| 18:38.47 | jasta | the conference itself was not anything special, though |
| 18:38.53 | davidw | I was impressed by this: |
| 18:38.54 | davidw | http://www.techcrunch.com/2008/05/28/live-from-google-io/ |
| 18:38.54 | jasta | but meeting people, hanging out, that was great |
| 18:39.21 | jasta | see, i just don't get the demo of the andorid phone |
| 18:39.24 | davidw | Google is betting on browser over time for mobile devices; it will be the entry point for many applications. |
| 18:39.26 | jasta | i was happy to see a real phone being shown |
| 18:39.29 | jasta | but they showed VERY little |
| 18:39.40 | davidw | I was kind of floored by that |
| 18:39.53 | jasta | oh well |
| 18:40.03 | davidw | imagine having the resources to think one thing, but tear off on a very serious effort in another direction 'in the meantime' |
| 18:40.15 | davidw | or maybe android is there way of getting the browser there faster |
| 18:40.17 | romainguy | jasta: well it's Google I/O, not Android I/O :) |
| 18:40.22 | davidw | but damn... that's a lot of money |
| 18:40.28 | davidw | there/their |
| 18:40.58 | jasta | i didn't dislike what i saw, i had just hoped to see something other than maps |
| 18:40.59 | davidw | romainguy, these kinds of conferences always seem to cater to the entry level |
| 18:41.06 | jasta | like, something we havent seen yet |
| 18:41.08 | jasta | maybe calendar, email, etc. |
| 18:41.26 | davidw | I was actually impressed by Dan and Jason in Munich in that they left plenty of time for questions about *intereting* things, rather than just hello world |
| 18:41.45 | jasta | Dan and Jason kind of pissed me off at I/O. |
| 18:42.03 | jasta | They prepared nothing to field my concerns, despite assurances to the contrary. |
| 18:42.39 | jasta | Jason in particular claimed last week to be looking forward to talking with me personally about some of these details at I/O. |
| 18:42.55 | jasta | Then when I had the platform to ask, he just gave me the "we have no details" answer that we've been given before. |
| 18:43.14 | jasta | And regarding the announcement that was promised on Tuesday, he just simply reiterated his boiler plate "we have no details" answer. |
| 18:43.57 | jasta | I suppose it was naive to expect otherwise, but I wish they would not further deceive us. |
| 18:44.50 | romainguy | it's not necessarily on purpose jasta |
| 18:44.52 | jasta | Dan did, thanfkully, clarify where the line was in the sand between open source and closed with the release. |
| 18:45.03 | romainguy | Google/OHA is big |
| 18:45.05 | jasta | and it is where i expected. |
| 18:45.26 | jasta | i can appreciate that, but if their position is generally uninformed then there is no reason to pretend otherwise. |
| 18:45.37 | romainguy | things might just change... |
| 18:45.48 | romainguy | anyway, dinner time |
| 18:50.37 | davidw | jasta, they do have Corporate Overlords, you know |
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| 20:04.27 | Dougie187 | Any news yet? |
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| 20:05.48 | jasta | on? |
| 20:05.54 | Dougie187 | the announcement. |
| 20:06.08 | jasta | oh, lol, that won't be coming :) |
| 20:06.11 | Dougie187 | :( |
| 20:06.14 | jasta | Jason just made all that up, I think |
| 20:08.21 | jasta | umdk1d3-io: *poke* |
| 20:13.54 | Dougie187 | well that makes me a sad panda. |
| 20:15.40 | jasta | lol |
| 20:15.42 | jasta | yeah me too ;) |
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| 20:17.15 | Dougie187 | do you know what timezone kentucky is in? |
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| 20:24.29 | wastrel | hihi. is there an expectation that android phones will sync with linux PIM's (kontact, evolution, other?) |
| 20:29.21 | muthu | wastrel: what do you mean by sync? |
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| 20:30.10 | muthu | anyone confirm that the linux version is working? |
| 20:30.13 | wastrel | muthu: contacts and calendar syncronization |
| 20:31.04 | muthu | wastrel: dont know about that |
| 20:32.01 | muthu | i just put the new sdk together in linux, but nothing seems to work |
| 20:32.14 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 20:32.20 | Dougie187 | i think umdk1d3-io used it. |
| 20:32.21 | muthu | romainguy: is the linux version working? |
| 20:32.24 | Dougie187 | and another guy. |
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| 20:32.35 | muthu | Dougie187: is it on linux? |
| 20:33.09 | Dougie187 | i think |
| 20:34.09 | muthu | ok.. got a reply |
| 20:34.15 | muthu | the emulator needs a flag |
| 20:34.24 | muthu | an option to set system dir |
| 20:34.36 | muthu | why can't it just work like before? |
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| 20:39.19 | jasta | muthu: umdk1d3-io told me at I/O that the linux version seems busted at least |
| 20:39.22 | jasta | maybe the others work |
| 20:39.41 | muthu | jasta: david said they fixed it |
| 20:39.49 | muthu | may be i'll try downloading again |
| 20:40.00 | jasta | wastrel: i don't think google has it in their mind to do much physical synchronization with Android. i think they're going to do much more network-based syncing of data. |
| 20:40.50 | jasta | muthu: did you notice that f00f disappeared pretty early on the first day? |
| 20:41.02 | jasta | i saw him once and only for about those 30 minutes we were all standing there |
| 20:41.09 | muthu | haha |
| 20:41.19 | muthu | f00f-: was there at the party |
| 20:41.27 | jasta | the google party? |
| 20:41.34 | muthu | yeah, he was looking for you |
| 20:41.40 | jasta | i left that at 8 to meet back up with pawalls and my friend |
| 20:41.55 | jasta | i didn't intend to stick around for long |
| 20:42.04 | muthu | so how did it go? |
| 20:42.14 | muthu | late night party!!! |
| 20:42.33 | muthu | even yesterday we got together |
| 20:42.34 | jasta | oh my god man |
| 20:42.37 | jasta | i was so f'ing wasted ;) |
| 20:42.41 | muthu | lol |
| 20:42.45 | jasta | i didnt get back to my hotel until 4am |
| 20:42.51 | muthu | woah |
| 20:43.15 | muthu | where you went? |
| 20:43.19 | jasta | we left I/O at like 8pm, met pawalls in front of the moscone and headed to Zeitgeist |
| 20:43.55 | jasta | a few pitchers there, then we went to this place called Butter but it was closed |
| 20:44.21 | muthu | then.. |
| 20:44.52 | jasta | so we wandered around for a bit and stopped into this place for a quick refresher round |
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| 20:45.00 | jasta | turned out to be a fancy sushi bar in the middle of nowhere |
| 20:45.04 | jasta | so we ordered sake bombs |
| 20:45.12 | jasta | but we were so drunk and the waitress didn't relaly understand us |
| 20:45.19 | jasta | so she brought us like 4 times more booze than we expected |
| 20:45.26 | jasta | so we just hung out there doing round after round of sake bombs |
| 20:45.31 | jasta | the waitress even came in and did 1 round with us |
| 20:45.39 | jasta | it turned out to be totally awesome. we were very popular at this place :) |
| 20:45.49 | jasta | then we rolled to the Irish Bank and drank until they closed |
| 20:45.56 | muthu | haha |
| 20:46.02 | jasta | that bar is awesome btw. they have this hollowed out confessional booth that has a table in it |
| 20:46.09 | jasta | then we went to the naan and curry |
| 20:46.16 | muthu | suggest me some bars |
| 20:46.18 | jasta | and then back to the hotel |
| 20:46.22 | wastrel | jasta: i'm used to PDA, not had a smartphone yet. I expect to be able to enter contacts through a desktop app and sync them to my mobile, and vice-versa |
| 20:46.54 | jasta | wastrel: yeah, and that may or may not be supported. what is more likely, though, is that your e-mail, calendar, and contacts will all be synchronized from some other source on the net. through google services most likely. |
| 20:47.01 | jasta | or perhaps from other sources, like exchange. |
| 20:47.27 | jasta | muthu: well, i don't know if your night life style would mesh with mine |
| 20:47.35 | jasta | zeitgeist was cool, they have this whole outside section |
| 20:47.41 | jasta | but it's super dirty and ghetto, like a good bar should be |
| 20:47.46 | muthu | haha |
| 20:47.47 | jasta | and the cook will yell at you. |
| 20:48.00 | muthu | great, that's where i'm going |
| 20:48.16 | jasta | but the irish bank was a pretty typical irish pub. it was a cool vibe. |
| 20:48.26 | jasta | it had* |
| 20:48.39 | jasta | there was this Thai restuarant and bar near my hotel too that i went to the first night |
| 20:48.45 | jasta | seemed a bit trendy, but pretty cute girls there |
| 20:48.47 | jasta | both working and not |
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| 20:49.00 | jasta | i forgot what that was called, but it was really close to the marriott |
| 20:49.32 | jasta | and Phil (pawalls) was at some Mojito bar before he met up with us after the conference. dunno if that was any good |
| 20:49.42 | muthu | mojito |
| 20:49.49 | muthu | is good |
| 20:50.00 | jasta | but oh man, we got so crunked up on wed. it was a great time |
| 20:50.14 | muthu | we had a good time yesterday |
| 20:50.14 | jasta | this is the first time i've ever met Phil in person, but i've known him online for almost a decade |
| 20:50.31 | muthu | it was good to meet a lot of faces |
| 20:50.48 | muthu | still i guess, missed a few |
| 20:50.53 | jasta | apparently everyone expected me to look "angry" somehow. |
| 20:51.02 | muthu | hehe |
| 20:51.12 | muthu | yeah, we were all waiting for the angry young man |
| 20:51.14 | muthu | :) |
| 20:51.22 | jasta | i'm not angry at all, btw. |
| 20:51.44 | muthu | you were cool |
| 20:51.48 | jasta | i just don't like being pushed around, and i'm willing to say something about it. |
| 20:52.03 | jasta | i finally met Jeffrey Sharkey |
| 20:52.03 | muthu | you had some discussions going on |
| 20:52.08 | jasta | he was pretty cool |
| 20:52.24 | wastrel | jasta: i guess the open standard for sync is "SyncML", do you know if android is going to support that? |
| 20:53.43 | jasta | wastrel: well, i don't know but i wrote a Java client-side SyncML library using WbXML |
| 20:53.52 | jasta | my project uses SyncML to get data to and from the server |
| 20:57.48 | Dougie187 | hows the plugin going for rhythmbox jasta? |
| 20:59.33 | jasta | pretty good, i am not al that near a functioanl test though |
| 20:59.36 | jasta | lots of code to get in order |
| 20:59.42 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 21:00.02 | jasta | it's one of those things that since there's no UI, it will basically just start working all of the sudden |
| 21:00.05 | Dougie187 | hopefully i will get my laptop back soon. |
| 21:00.06 | jasta | and be sort of done :) |
| 21:00.12 | Dougie187 | then i can help you out if you want. |
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| 21:22.40 | f00f- | so muthu how long did you guys end up hanging out at the v-whatever |
| 21:22.44 | f00f- | at north beach? |
| 21:22.49 | muthu | hehe |
| 21:23.03 | muthu | until like 2 |
| 21:23.19 | f00f- | sweet |
| 21:23.46 | muthu | good time |
| 21:24.27 | f00f- | good good |
| 21:24.30 | f00f- | how long are you here for? |
| 21:24.36 | muthu | a month |
| 21:24.37 | f00f- | end of june? |
| 21:24.41 | muthu | yes |
| 21:24.53 | f00f- | ok cool, we should try to organize another meetup |
| 21:24.57 | f00f- | after i come back from amsterdam :) |
| 21:25.04 | muthu | oh sure.. when would that be? |
| 21:25.19 | f00f- | june 9th or later |
| 21:25.25 | muthu | cool |
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| 21:32.08 | jasta | sup f00f |
| 21:32.24 | f00f- | hey man |
| 21:32.28 | f00f- | where did you disappear last night |
| 21:32.39 | jasta | i went out drinking with phil and my friends in SF |
| 21:32.49 | f00f- | phil ? |
| 21:32.58 | jasta | pawalls in here, when he's here. |
| 21:33.09 | jasta | some google guy |
| 21:33.16 | f00f- | ooh ok |
| 21:33.36 | jasta | i stuck around the after hours thing for an hour or two, though |
| 21:33.39 | jasta | was shooting pool :) |
| 21:33.49 | jasta | and prefunking on google's free beer |
| 21:33.58 | f00f- | yeah for sure |
| 21:34.02 | f00f- | that day |
| 21:34.04 | f00f- | i took the train home |
| 21:34.11 | f00f- | and realized how wonderful it is to be tanked |
| 21:34.12 | f00f- | going under the bay |
| 21:34.16 | jasta | you live in the bay area? |
| 21:34.17 | f00f- | you can totally feel the acceleration |
| 21:34.20 | f00f- | yeah, san jose |
| 21:34.29 | jasta | i didn't know that |
| 21:34.46 | jasta | you must've bounced early then? train stops running at like 11? |
| 21:35.13 | f00f- | i think i left around 10:30 or so |
| 21:35.26 | f00f- | well they stop running at around 12 |
| 21:35.38 | f00f- | but it's a real bitch to get home if you take one of the last ones |
| 21:35.45 | f00f- | have to sit somewhere in oakland for 30 minutes |
| 21:35.46 | f00f- | to wait |
| 21:36.07 | jasta | dude we were so messed up that night |
| 21:36.11 | jasta | stayed out until 4am |
| 21:36.29 | jasta | i didn't get in to the conference the next day until 11:30 hehe |
| 21:36.40 | f00f- | hahaha nice |
| 21:36.54 | f00f- | did you even stay for the concert on wednsedsay? |
| 21:36.58 | f00f- | 'concert' heh |
| 21:37.01 | jasta | no, i wasn't interested in that :) |
| 21:37.14 | jasta | like i said earlier, a big part of the reason i chose to go to I/O was because my friend lives there |
| 21:37.24 | jasta | so it would be super lame to not spend a significant amount of time with him |
| 21:37.30 | f00f- | yeah for sure |
| 21:37.42 | jasta | and Phil turned out to be much cooler than i expected |
| 21:37.59 | jasta | i've known him for years online, he worked on an open source project i started a while back |
| 21:38.09 | jasta | met him in person for the first time at I/O |
| 21:38.16 | f00f- | oh on the gift stuff? |
| 21:38.20 | jasta | yeah |
| 21:38.30 | jasta | now he works for google |
| 21:38.34 | f00f- | nice... never underestimate people :D |
| 21:39.07 | jasta | i was hanging out with mostly Google employees the first day, actually |
| 21:39.09 | jasta | that i met through him |
| 21:39.15 | jasta | and some that i knew already |
| 21:39.34 | f00f- | ahh |
| 21:39.56 | f00f- | you know.. i had a complete different impression of you |
| 21:39.57 | f00f- | before we met |
| 21:40.16 | jasta | hehe, well, that makes sense ;) |
| 21:40.24 | f00f- | i'd even go far to say... a 180 degree opposite view |
| 21:40.25 | jasta | IRC isn't a great "first impression" medium ;) |
| 21:40.30 | f00f- | agreed |
| 21:40.53 | f00f- | but yeah, i definitely agree with all the points you brought up with dan |
| 21:41.04 | f00f- | they really seem clueless as to what's happening 3+ months down the road |
| 21:41.17 | jasta | i was in on the Android Fireside Chat Q&A thing and i elected against bringing them back up there |
| 21:41.34 | f00f- | probably a wise decision :) |
| 21:41.40 | jasta | just because i knew i'd get a run-around answer, and i frankly don't want to turn into some enemy of the energing team. |
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| 21:41.43 | jasta | err |
| 21:41.50 | jasta | engineering* (my brain exploded apparently) |
| 21:41.51 | Beryllium | energon team? |
| 21:41.54 | Dougie187 | i really wanna hear about the SDK thing. |
| 21:41.57 | f00f- | yeh |
| 21:42.12 | jasta | Dougie187: basically what i got out of Dan is what i expected to get out of Andy and the other folks up on stage. |
| 21:42.19 | jasta | and that's that "we have no information". |
| 21:42.36 | jasta | they appreciate that it's all fubar'd, but that they do not intend to explore a resolution |
| 21:43.04 | jasta | though i think that from their position it is impossible to fully appreciate the gravity of this decision |
| 21:43.37 | jasta | but, meh, they clearly won't be fixing it ;) |
| 21:44.26 | jasta | f00f-: yeah, what's frustrating about the situation is that somebody obviously has this grand scheme and road map. |
| 21:44.37 | jasta | that information just needs to find its way into the public |
| 21:45.06 | muthu | there were a couple of information |
| 21:45.12 | muthu | 1. adc 2 is next year |
| 21:45.17 | jasta | Dougie187: one thing i did learn while i was there is that they clearly intend to produce some type of app store or distribution system. |
| 21:45.25 | muthu | 2. sdk is opensourced end of this year |
| 21:45.35 | jasta | we knew those 2 things already, though |
| 21:45.42 | Dougie187 | yeah i saw the app store thing on engadget |
| 21:45.56 | muthu | adc 2, i thought would be this year |
| 21:46.16 | f00f- | yeah, but someone will make their own app repo before google |
| 21:46.32 | f00f- | apt-get goodness but completely on-device browsing of apps |
| 21:46.36 | jasta | Dougie187: several times it was asked and confirmed that they will have an app store, though |
| 21:47.13 | jasta | muthu: well, it wouldn't be before launch, and when a company says "second half of <x>", they mean december usually ;) |
| 21:47.23 | jasta | and first half of <x> means June :) |
| 21:47.33 | muthu | haha, right |
| 21:47.55 | jasta | plus they're going to want to let the platform have some time to gain traction before they start |
| 21:47.59 | jasta | which will be at least 2 months |
| 21:48.27 | jasta | anyway, regarding the source i was happy to learn that the full platform stack will be open sourced. |
| 21:48.56 | muthu | yeah, thats good |
| 21:48.56 | jasta | although i believe that most if not all google apps will be closed, and of course all of the hardware drivers will be closed as well |
| 21:49.19 | jasta | i was concerned that there would be pieces that would prevent open source enthusiasts from rolling their own completely |
| 21:49.34 | jasta | but it looks like that won't be true, although they won't get much help from Google in that the Google apps may be unavailable. |
| 21:49.51 | muthu | the feeling that i got is , google has the correct intentions |
| 21:49.57 | jasta | though i can't imagine why most of the google apps would be closed. |
| 21:50.03 | muthu | they're just taking their time to do it right |
| 21:50.07 | jasta | i mean, they must be releasing MapView source, so why protect Google Maps? |
| 21:50.20 | jasta | and why protect the browser since it's just that chrome layer on top of webkit? |
| 21:50.34 | jasta | but meh, the apps aren't really as important as 100% of the platform stack |
| 21:50.55 | jasta | the drivers are disappointing, of course, but perhaps with time the platform will encourage open source adoption of that hardware. |
| 21:51.17 | jasta | anyway |
| 21:51.33 | jasta | we should detacth from this rumor mill for a while |
| 21:51.51 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 21:51.52 | Dougie187 | yes. |
| 21:51.54 | Dougie187 | but |
| 21:51.56 | Dougie187 | if we do. |
| 21:52.02 | Dougie187 | we wont get our announcement! |
| 21:52.05 | f00f- | well drivers can contain proprietary IP anyway to control the radio, baseband, etc. |
| 21:52.35 | dmoffett | It is worlds better than what iPhone is offering and hopefully that will give android the needed boost to compete with the iPhone. |
| 21:52.52 | dmoffett | more than a few of the developers I talked to are porting to iPhone. |
| 21:53.32 | Dougie187 | i dont know that the iPhone should be the focus of competition. |
| 21:53.42 | Dougie187 | personally. |
| 21:53.57 | Dougie187 | i mean it is a big competitor, but it doesnt make up the majority of the market. |
| 21:55.12 | muthu | the new sdk looks like the demo one |
| 21:55.18 | dmoffett | Phones like it and the iPhone are going to be choices for the Android market. |
| 21:55.35 | Dougie187 | and phones that dont even have a screen. |
| 21:55.39 | Dougie187 | or blackberries. |
| 21:55.58 | Dougie187 | they will be choices, but not the choice. |
| 21:58.01 | dmoffett | Headed back to Colorado. Later. |
| 22:01.16 | romainguy | re |
| 22:01.56 | Dougie187 | hello romainguy |
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| 22:02.35 | muthu | hey romainguy, is that your wallpaper again in the new sdk? |
| 22:02.41 | romainguy | yes |
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| 22:02.51 | muthu | cool, like it |
| 22:02.56 | romainguy | thanks |
| 22:03.13 | muthu | was looking for you at IO, then realized you are on vacation |
| 22:03.18 | romainguy | :)) |
| 22:03.24 | muthu | like me :) |
| 22:03.29 | romainguy | I am a little bummed I missed IO but vacation is better :p |
| 22:03.39 | muthu | oh yeah, vacation any time |
| 22:09.43 | Dougie187 | how much longer is your vacation? |
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| 22:21.03 | f00f- | rofl @ errors |
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| 22:28.35 | muthu | f00f-: how many? |
| 22:29.26 | romainguy | f00f-: ? |
| 22:29.36 | f00f- | every activity :) |
| 22:29.41 | romainguy | :p |
| 22:30.00 | romainguy | yeah we did change a few APIs |
| 22:30.05 | f00f- | gladly, in my main business logic class, only one line has an error :) |
| 22:30.28 | f00f- | it would be nice to have achangelog |
| 22:30.36 | romainguy | we're working on it |
| 22:30.43 | f00f- | btw is there an IRC channel for round 2? |
| 22:30.48 | romainguy | not that I know of |
| 22:30.50 | f00f- | should/can we create one? |
| 22:30.58 | romainguy | you definitely can |
| 22:30.59 | f00f- | or is the group the only one allowed |
| 22:31.05 | romainguy | it's freenode.net |
| 22:31.17 | f00f- | well, what i'm asking is, would the google people join it :) |
| 22:31.22 | Dougie187 | are you going to password protect it? |
| 22:31.30 | romainguy | if you tell Dan, I guess so |
| 22:31.32 | f00f- | Dougie187: well that would be a requirement |
| 22:33.17 | muthu | are we allowed to talk about the sdk here? |
| 22:33.38 | romainguy | it's a public channel and you are on an NDA... |
| 22:33.45 | muthu | oh oh |
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| 22:36.05 | muthu | then what do we talk here :) |
| 22:36.33 | f00f- | weather? |
| 22:36.33 | muthu | cooking? |
| 22:36.33 | muthu | haha |
| 22:36.33 | muthu | weather and cooking goes hand in hand |
| 22:36.47 | muthu | Mr. Weather and Ms. Cookies - that's funny! |
| 22:37.12 | muthu | f00f-: i see |
| 22:37.13 | f00f- | HAHAH |
| 22:37.14 | f00f- | seriously |
| 22:37.20 | jerkface03 | i don't get it. |
| 22:37.44 | muthu | did you create it already |
| 22:39.00 | jasta | romainguy: lol, looks like you guys made a mistake extending the NDA to muthu :) |
| 22:39.03 | f00f- | muthu: oh officially register it? |
| 22:39.19 | romainguy | jasta: :) |
| 22:39.29 | muthu | jasta: yeah, true |
| 22:39.49 | Dougie187 | he has the SDK posted already. |
| 22:39.50 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:39.55 | jasta | hehe |
| 22:40.10 | muthu | haha |
| 22:40.16 | muthu | in a secret location |
| 22:40.19 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:40.21 | jasta | he assumed it would be appropriate to give a copy to his immediate and extended family, as well as co-workers and passer-bys on the street. |
| 22:40.26 | Dougie187 | the ADC round 2 chat room |
| 22:40.35 | Dougie187 | exactly. |
| 22:40.39 | Dougie187 | and since hes still in san fran. |
| 22:40.41 | Dougie187 | thats quite a bit |
| 22:40.45 | jasta | hehe |
| 22:40.58 | jasta | i did not pick up my free Google t-shirt hehe |
| 22:40.59 | Dougie187 | 10 Google employees already have received access from him |
| 22:41.00 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:41.08 | muthu | haha |
| 22:41.22 | jasta | i just found that little "coupon" hehe |
| 22:41.23 | muthu | they signed an NDA with me |
| 22:41.40 | Dougie187 | lol yeah. you are liked hey, you wanna sign this petition? |
| 22:41.53 | Dougie187 | heres your copy of the top secret SDK from Google Android for signing it. |
| 22:41.55 | muthu | f00f-: add me to your gmail buddies |
| 22:41.55 | Dougie187 | DONT SHARE! |
| 22:42.02 | muthu | muthu.ramadoss |
| 22:42.22 | f00f- | muthu: dude, check your private message lol |
| 22:42.40 | Dougie187 | so... how about that laptop muthu? |
| 22:42.40 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:42.51 | muthu | you should've come to IO :) |
| 22:42.55 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 22:42.59 | Dougie187 | im too por. |
| 22:43.00 | Dougie187 | poor |
| 22:43.01 | muthu | bought the laptop.. |
| 22:43.08 | muthu | you were not there.. hehe |
| 22:43.10 | Dougie187 | otherwise i would have gotten the laptop myself |
| 22:43.11 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:49.39 | jasta | google maps public transit mode is great |
| 22:49.40 | jasta | i love this |
| 22:50.05 | muthu | jasta: the transit is real helpful |
| 22:50.12 | Dougie187 | where do you get it? |
| 22:50.21 | jasta | its just a sort of tab on the left hand side |
| 22:50.27 | jasta | get directions then choose public transit |
| 22:50.44 | jasta | its very neat. it even puts like the bus number as a bubble on the map |
| 22:50.54 | jasta | so if youre familiar with the transit system you can just head out the door with that info alone |
| 22:51.25 | jasta | when i was in SFO it gave me prices for the BART too |
| 22:51.31 | Dougie187 | I dont see it. |
| 22:51.39 | jasta | its there on maps.google.com |
| 22:51.58 | Dougie187 | thats where i am. |
| 22:52.02 | Dougie187 | i went to get directions. |
| 22:52.15 | jasta | maybe there is no public transit data in your area? |
| 22:52.23 | romainguy | at the top of the directions list there's a choice between Drive and Public Transit |
| 22:52.43 | Dougie187 | well i tried it with the example they give. |
| 22:52.49 | Dougie187 | SFO and 94526 |
| 22:52.49 | jasta | i keep wondering why google maps for mobile doesn't have this data |
| 22:53.05 | jasta | or rather, doesn't use it |
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| 22:54.19 | Dougie187 | what is an example Start and End Address that you have the gives the option. |
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| 22:57.12 | Dougie187 | my town is not covered |
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| 23:31.09 | Dougie187 | It is rather quiet in here. |
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| 23:50.53 | jasta | well, what's to talk about? :) |
| 23:53.36 | duey | so jat |
| 23:53.37 | duey | jasta, |
| 23:53.43 | duey | was IO ok? |