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| 12:42.09 | Dougie187 | Good Morning everyone |
| 12:44.59 | ligi | aloha Dougie187 |
| 12:45.11 | Dougie187 | hows it going? |
| 12:45.44 | Dougie187 | i dont know if anyone knows this off the top of their head. but is there a library that recognizes faxes? |
| 12:46.56 | volmarias | in android? |
| 12:47.09 | Dougie187 | no, just period |
| 12:47.18 | Dougie187 | i guess anywhere. |
| 12:47.22 | Dougie187 | in android would work as well |
| 12:47.27 | volmarias | I have no idea. Google? |
| 12:47.33 | Dougie187 | yeah i was gonna try that too |
| 12:47.39 | Dougie187 | i just figured I would ask |
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| 12:59.03 | Dougie187 | i got a cool idea for an android app this morning |
| 12:59.08 | Dougie187 | but i dont know how realistic it is |
| 13:00.01 | tale_ | Dougie187, lay it on us |
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| 13:01.21 | Dougie187 | well. i thought it would be cool, to get some sort of library that understands faxes. and then in your phone book you can specify phone numbers as faxes. Then when that phone number calls, your phone would answer it as a fax machine, and save the fax as a postscript file to your phone. And potentially email it to yourself if you have it set up as email. |
| 13:01.50 | Dougie187 | the two concerns I have are the size of the postscript file, and the library |
| 13:01.57 | Dougie187 | but i think the javacomm api might help |
| 13:02.19 | Dougie187 | do you think that is a realistic app to write? |
| 13:04.02 | tale_ | I have to question whether people would pay for an extra number just for faxes |
| 13:04.27 | tale_ | I'm not sure if phones can have two lines set for one sim card |
| 13:04.39 | raboof | faxes are so 1990 |
| 13:04.59 | Dougie187 | no you wouldnt pay for an extra number. |
| 13:05.07 | Dougie187 | it would be your cell number. |
| 13:05.25 | Dougie187 | just when a specific phone number called, it would answer with this app |
| 13:05.39 | Dougie187 | that way, you can receive faxes on the go, or without a fax machine |
| 13:05.47 | tale_ | so your normal number plus some digits? |
| 13:05.49 | Dougie187 | you can even make it so it can send a fax. |
| 13:05.55 | Dougie187 | no. your normal number period. |
| 13:06.04 | Dougie187 | but in your phone book you would specify a number. |
| 13:06.06 | tale_ | so how would it know if it was supposed to be a fax |
| 13:06.30 | Dougie187 | in your phone book, you tag something as "Fax Machine" and then when that number calls your cell your fax app answers |
| 13:06.41 | Dougie187 | and you could do it with multiple numbers. |
| 13:06.43 | tale_ | I see, based on caller id |
| 13:06.46 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 13:07.00 | tale_ | that's a good idea |
| 13:07.19 | Dougie187 | i figured most faxes would send the info as a postscript file. |
| 13:07.26 | Dougie187 | and i know there are apps to convert ps to pdf. |
| 13:07.30 | Dougie187 | so i could even probably do that. |
| 13:07.36 | Dougie187 | so then you would get it as a pdf on your phone |
| 13:08.05 | tale_ | I think that there may be an issue with getting the fax to transmit to your phone though |
| 13:08.19 | Dougie187 | how come? |
| 13:08.29 | Dougie187 | i would think there would be a library that can talk to a fax machine somewhere. |
| 13:08.30 | tale_ | I know that you can't hook a fax machine up to a phone service like vonage becasue of the way voip works. |
| 13:08.41 | Dougie187 | hmm. |
| 13:08.41 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 13:08.42 | tale_ | I imagine that the cell service would also work a little differently |
| 13:08.52 | Dougie187 | possibly. i havent every tried it. |
| 13:08.53 | tale_ | no sure though |
| 13:09.13 | Dougie187 | the javaphone api seems to say it can handle faxes on smartphones though. |
| 13:09.25 | Dougie187 | http://java.sun.com/products/javaphone/overview.html |
| 13:09.25 | tale_ | sounds like a good idea |
| 13:10.07 | Dougie187 | i just thought it would be useful for a lot of business people, and anyone who doesnt have a fax machine but has a cell phone |
| 13:10.19 | tale_ | that would be me |
| 13:10.23 | Dougie187 | heh me too |
| 13:11.04 | tale_ | http://www.interfax.net/en/dev/java.html |
| 13:11.39 | tale_ | looks like they have a service to fax, so if you can't do it on the phone, you could access a service like that |
| 13:11.59 | Dougie187 | yeah. but i think you have to pay for that. |
| 13:12.07 | Dougie187 | it would be cooler if it was free. |
| 13:12.58 | tale_ | have you looked at JTAPI |
| 13:13.07 | tale_ | that is used for telephone apps |
| 13:13.15 | Dougie187 | thats what im looking at now. |
| 13:14.35 | Dougie187 | heh the only thing im stuck on, is how would i go about testing my app? |
| 13:14.35 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:14.46 | tale_ | very carefully |
| 13:14.47 | tale_ | :-) |
| 13:14.52 | Dougie187 | since you cant really make calls to your emulator. |
| 13:16.16 | tale_ | I think you would have to try to get it working on a windows box with a modem |
| 13:16.19 | tale_ | make it modular |
| 13:16.26 | tale_ | and wait for hardware. |
| 13:16.36 | tale_ | not to mention an updated sdk. :-) |
| 13:16.39 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 13:16.40 | Dougie187 | true |
| 13:16.42 | AstainHellbring | so I'm curious how's the sdk working for ppl so far can it emulate cameras etc? |
| 13:16.58 | Dougie187 | i couldnt tell you |
| 13:17.07 | tale_ | from what I understand, they are hacking the sdk to use web cams |
| 13:17.33 | AstainHellbring | wow nice |
| 13:17.34 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 13:18.06 | tale_ | Dougie187, http://members.eunet.at/gernot.kerschbaumer/jtapi/download.html |
| 13:18.24 | tale_ | that may get you started |
| 13:18.34 | tale_ | at least see how it works to come up with a plan |
| 13:18.38 | Dougie187 | nice thanks |
| 13:19.01 | Dougie187 | i downloaded the JTAPI documentation and am reading through that as well |
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| 13:39.14 | AstainHellbring | curious what does android use for an xserver? |
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| 13:50.33 | tale_ | AstainHellbring, I'm not sure, but I believe I read that it was a custom application written by the android company before it was acquired |
| 13:50.54 | AstainHellbring | ahh ic... hmm fun |
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| 13:57.26 | Dougie187 | is jasta in here yet? |
| 14:16.21 | cutmasta | is away (away) |
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| 14:47.27 | Dougie187 | its so quiet in here |
| 14:47.28 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 14:48.43 | ligi | Dougie187: you haven't signed the NDA yet ,-) |
| 14:48.52 | ligi | => quiet |
| 14:49.10 | Dougie187 | true. |
| 14:49.13 | Dougie187 | have you? |
| 14:49.17 | ligi | no |
| 14:50.15 | Dougie187 | are you going to? |
| 14:50.35 | ligi | i will decide when i can do ^^ |
| 14:50.56 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 14:51.55 | ligi | will u? |
| 14:52.16 | ligi | nice @ http://www.geekz1.com/images//news/olpcv2.jpg |
| 14:52.20 | ligi | *wannahave* |
| 14:53.14 | Dougie187 | thats pretty cool. |
| 14:53.22 | Dougie187 | it is a touch screen keyboard? |
| 14:53.40 | ligi | both screens |
| 14:53.50 | ligi | are touch and display |
| 14:59.48 | Dougie187 | thats awesome. |
| 15:01.27 | Dougie187 | i bet its going to be more then 200 bucks though |
| 15:05.32 | cutmasta | is away (away) |
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| 15:10.07 | jasta | yawn |
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| 15:11.13 | Dougie187 | jasta |
| 15:11.18 | Dougie187 | did you hear about my new app idea? |
| 15:11.30 | jasta | no? |
| 15:11.48 | Dougie187 | you should scroll up and read about it |
| 15:11.57 | jasta | i have to get ready for work :) |
| 15:11.59 | Dougie187 | it was at about 9 am. |
| 15:12.01 | Dougie187 | pfft |
| 15:12.01 | Dougie187 | work |
| 15:12.25 | Dougie187 | also. |
| 15:12.25 | jasta | yeah, my job is stupid like that |
| 15:12.29 | Dougie187 | i tried to check out your source |
| 15:12.31 | Dougie187 | and it didnt work |
| 15:12.33 | Dougie187 | i just got a folder |
| 15:12.34 | Dougie187 | and nothing in it |
| 15:12.39 | jasta | on the contrary, you didn't work. |
| 15:12.44 | Dougie187 | android-five-read-only |
| 15:13.13 | jasta | there is source in /svn/trunk. |
| 15:13.40 | Dougie187 | i did this |
| 15:13.41 | Dougie187 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:13.50 | jasta | that's not my project page anymore |
| 15:13.52 | Dougie187 | from you site. |
| 15:13.53 | Dougie187 | oh |
| 15:13.58 | jasta | right on the summary it says to go to five.googlecode.com |
| 15:13.58 | Dougie187 | whats your project page? |
| 15:14.01 | jasta | google finally gave it to me |
| 15:14.03 | Dougie187 | fine. |
| 15:14.13 | Dougie187 | you should change that |
| 15:14.15 | jasta | but i haven't deleted android-five yet |
| 15:14.20 | Dougie187 | so people dont try to check out the source from that |
| 15:14.23 | jasta | well i did add a link right at the top |
| 15:14.33 | jasta | i can't change the source page. |
| 15:14.53 | Dougie187 | why not? |
| 15:15.05 | jasta | because google code sucks like that |
| 15:15.25 | Dougie187 | thats too bad |
| 15:16.10 | jasta | i will just close the project page soonish |
| 15:16.15 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:16.21 | Dougie187 | well when you get to work i will tell you about my new idea |
| 15:16.24 | Dougie187 | i think its pretty cool |
| 15:16.41 | jasta | well, practically speaking, i probably won't leave for another 30 minutes ;) |
| 15:16.48 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:16.50 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:16.53 | Dougie187 | well you wanna hear about it? |
| 15:17.00 | jasta | sure |
| 15:17.45 | Dougie187 | so my idea is basically to make your phone have a fax extension. So you can specify in your phone book that certain numbers are fax machines. Then if that number calls you the app will pick up and receive the fax and save it as a PS file. and possibly convert it to a PDF. Then potentially email you that file. |
| 15:18.01 | Dougie187 | Also i thought it would be cool to give the app a ps or pdf file and have it send it as a fax to a phone number as well. |
| 15:18.37 | jasta | there are a lot of problems with that. |
| 15:18.41 | Dougie187 | like what? |
| 15:19.16 | jasta | well, are yo utalking about implementing a software modem? |
| 15:19.24 | Dougie187 | no i was going to use JTAPI |
| 15:19.49 | Dougie187 | though i dont think it has support for faxes yet. but its supposed to in 2.0 |
| 15:19.51 | jasta | is that supported by android? |
| 15:19.56 | Dougie187 | ionno |
| 15:20.01 | Dougie187 | i just thought of this idea this morning |
| 15:20.14 | Dougie187 | and have been mostly researching if there was a library that would support receiving faxes |
| 15:20.14 | jasta | i think there would be a lot of problems pushing that idea into a real implementation |
| 15:20.32 | jasta | and then, you have to consider that maybe all that work isn't worth being able to receive faxes from arbitrary numbers |
| 15:20.41 | jasta | because basically faxes are stupid and old ;) |
| 15:20.49 | Dougie187 | lol but some people need them. |
| 15:20.52 | dmoffett | there are websites that do that sort of thing you might build an interace or us some api. |
| 15:20.54 | jasta | only old people |
| 15:21.07 | Dougie187 | yeah i saw the websites. but a lot of the websites charge to use their service. |
| 15:21.08 | dmoffett | Old people rock. |
| 15:21.10 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:21.18 | Dougie187 | even though they are old and stupid they are still fairly widely used. |
| 15:21.25 | jasta | i was sitting next to these two guys in their 60s at lunch the other day |
| 15:21.31 | Dougie187 | and this would allow people without fax machines, or who are not near a fax machine to receive faxes. |
| 15:21.37 | Dougie187 | and potentially send faxes as well |
| 15:21.40 | jasta | and their entire conversation was about how these young guys are coming into their company that don't know shit and bla bla bla |
| 15:21.56 | dmoffett | lol |
| 15:22.09 | jasta | i felt like calling my gf on my cell phone and telling her all about how old people are racist dinosaurs that need to just get the hell out. |
| 15:22.17 | jasta | just because it would seem like matched biggotry. |
| 15:22.22 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:22.37 | jasta | i was not offended, because their old and i don't care, but i could have been :) |
| 15:22.53 | Dougie187 | so you dont think its a useful feature jasta? |
| 15:22.59 | jasta | i just thought it was odd that they would have that conversation with a 24 year old sitting 3 feet from them |
| 15:23.03 | dmoffett | Now that is a broad generalization that could be considered a bit biased. |
| 15:23.20 | jasta | Dougie187: Well, I can't say that I would use it. In fact, I do everything I can within reason to make sure nobody uses fax machines, for anything. |
| 15:23.29 | Dougie187 | hah |
| 15:23.29 | dmoffett | Assholes come in all ages. |
| 15:23.55 | dmoffett | there was at one time a site dedicated to open fax. |
| 15:24.10 | Dougie187 | i only found one site this morning. |
| 15:24.11 | dmoffett | but I only dealt with that a long time ago. |
| 15:24.16 | Dougie187 | and it was charging for it |
| 15:24.25 | Dougie187 | plus i thought it would be cool to get it on your phone |
| 15:24.31 | Dougie187 | that way its like your fax machine |
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| 15:24.54 | jasta | Dougie187: you have to really consider what audience uses faxing heavily versus who would use Android. |
| 15:25.02 | Dougie187 | business men |
| 15:25.02 | jasta | i don't think they intersect much. |
| 15:25.09 | Dougie187 | business men use smart phones |
| 15:25.15 | Dougie187 | android will run on smart phones |
| 15:25.24 | dmoffett | unfortunately there are still people out there that require faxes. |
| 15:25.30 | jasta | actually, most younger business men use e-mail (with scan to e-mail features of copiers/printers) |
| 15:25.35 | dmoffett | Try to buy a house with out having to fax something. |
| 15:25.38 | Dougie187 | heh yeah |
| 15:25.41 | Dougie187 | its a pain in the ass |
| 15:25.48 | jasta | dmoffett: Sure, my brother has done it twice. You just use e-mail. |
| 15:25.50 | Dougie187 | i had to fax a whole crap load of stuff when we bought my house |
| 15:26.11 | jasta | When they say "fax this here", you say "Actually, what is their e-mail address?" |
| 15:26.11 | dmoffett | depends on the people involved. |
| 15:26.12 | Dougie187 | what if you have to receive something and they wont email it to you |
| 15:26.41 | dmoffett | Hopefully faxes will go away soon. |
| 15:26.48 | jasta | Dougie187: One of our largest customers, Platt Electric, just recently shut off all their fax machines and said "If you need to fax us something, get a computer and put Outlook on it." |
| 15:26.52 | dmoffett | Digital signatures would help a lot. |
| 15:27.35 | Dougie187 | dmoffett what do you think? |
| 15:27.40 | Dougie187 | do you think its a useful feature? |
| 15:27.45 | jasta | and platt is an electrical distributor, so their customers are contractors and stuff. and they refuse faxes. |
| 15:27.51 | jasta | if that is any indication of the times. |
| 15:27.59 | dmoffett | Of course there are a lot people still need to fax. |
| 15:28.03 | dmoffett | yes. |
| 15:28.05 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:28.11 | jasta | yeah, but most of them are old and won't be around for long ;) |
| 15:28.18 | Dougie187 | lol at least you hope |
| 15:28.21 | Dougie187 | look at john mccain |
| 15:28.30 | jasta | no, i am very certain faxing will go. |
| 15:28.37 | jasta | the telcos don't wish to support it any longer. |
| 15:28.51 | jasta | since they want their entire business topologies to move to IP telephony. |
| 15:28.52 | dmoffett | It will and I hope it is today but that is not reality. |
| 15:29.23 | jasta | and faxing is the one last beast they can't gracefully convert since it requires a real POTS line. |
| 15:29.26 | dmoffett | Pisses me off when I have to fax something but that is the breaks. |
| 15:30.49 | Dougie187 | lol jasta, this way if you HAVE to receive a fax you dont have to go out and buy a fax machine. |
| 15:30.54 | Dougie187 | and you can just get it on your cell phone. |
| 15:31.13 | jasta | well it would be helpful for a rare and declining corner case, sure :) |
| 15:31.24 | jasta | but that hardly justifies the cost of your time to develop it :) |
| 15:31.37 | Dougie187 | well its only rare and declining for you. |
| 15:31.41 | Dougie187 | a lot of people still use it |
| 15:31.46 | dmoffett | yep |
| 15:31.49 | jasta | well, it's only rare for me. |
| 15:31.51 | Dougie187 | especially as an alternative to mail |
| 15:31.52 | jasta | it's declining for everyone. |
| 15:33.26 | Dougie187 | i have used it quite a few times recently |
| 15:34.05 | jasta | well right, but it was common 15 years ago to find offices that did not have computers or e-mail. |
| 15:34.23 | Dougie187 | i find it common to find things people wont receive in an email |
| 15:34.26 | Dougie187 | so you have to fax it or mail it |
| 15:34.31 | Dougie187 | and i would choose fax rather then mail |
| 15:34.38 | jasta | like large attachments not well suited for either? :) |
| 15:35.06 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:35.52 | AstainHellbring | fax blows |
| 15:36.04 | AstainHellbring | fax = terrible |
| 15:36.09 | Dougie187 | i wonder if google uses faxes |
| 15:39.11 | muthu | Dougie187: here's an idea |
| 15:39.12 | dmoffett | I think we all agree that fax blows but so does winders and we have to deal with both. |
| 15:39.31 | Dougie187 | whats up muthu |
| 15:39.36 | muthu | Dougie187: i like your fax idea |
| 15:39.41 | muthu | but what you do is |
| 15:39.48 | muthu | finally convert it to voice mail |
| 15:40.04 | dmoffett | and send them all to Jasta |
| 15:40.07 | Dougie187 | hah |
| 15:40.17 | AstainHellbring | efax will do all you are wanting with fax |
| 15:40.35 | Dougie187 | thank you for pointing that out like the 5 other people who did already |
| 15:40.52 | muthu | yeah, finally to voice |
| 15:40.59 | muthu | that's the perfect ending! |
| 15:41.12 | Dougie187 | AstainHellbring: one problem with that, is it costs money. |
| 15:41.28 | Dougie187 | heh muthu. i dont think people would want to listen to all of their faxes. |
| 15:41.38 | Dougie187 | do you want a voice mail thats a 36 page fax? |
| 15:41.39 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:41.42 | muthu | haha |
| 15:41.49 | AstainHellbring | so does having any kind of fax system |
| 15:41.49 | Dougie187 | though i dont know if you can store a 36 page fax on your cell phone |
| 15:41.59 | Dougie187 | not my idea |
| 15:42.00 | Dougie187 | it would be free |
| 15:42.02 | AstainHellbring | ewww fax to voice? |
| 15:42.24 | AstainHellbring | the only point of fax is if you need signed documents in a hurry |
| 15:42.34 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 15:42.47 | Dougie187 | and what if you need a signed document if your not close to a fax machine |
| 15:42.50 | Dougie187 | and you have your cell on you |
| 15:43.23 | AstainHellbring | fax to email |
| 15:43.25 | Dougie187 | for free? |
| 15:43.39 | AstainHellbring | fax will always cost something wiether its minutes or anything it will always cost you something |
| 15:43.47 | Dougie187 | not if its after 7pm |
| 15:43.49 | Dougie187 | or on the weekends. |
| 15:43.50 | AstainHellbring | you have to have something somewhere that receives the fax and that costs minuts |
| 15:44.14 | Dougie187 | and what would you rather spend. |
| 15:44.20 | Dougie187 | a couple of minutes on a fax. |
| 15:44.27 | Dougie187 | or buying a fax machine and a phone line. |
| 15:44.35 | Dougie187 | or 17 bucks a month for a web service |
| 15:44.49 | AstainHellbring | buy a pc with fax modems in it, install hylafax and go |
| 15:45.04 | AstainHellbring | far better |
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| 15:45.16 | Dougie187 | i think you are missing the point. |
| 15:45.21 | Dougie187 | either way. |
| 15:45.26 | Dougie187 | i think it would end up being useful |
| 15:45.28 | Dougie187 | for a lot of people. |
| 15:45.57 | AstainHellbring | I must have missed the underling idea too what is it again? |
| 15:46.03 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:46.10 | dmoffett | being able to send a simple fax from your phone would come in handy at time. Especially if you can sign right on the phone. |
| 15:46.18 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 15:46.22 | Dougie187 | get like a pdf editor |
| 15:46.26 | Dougie187 | sign with a stylus |
| 15:46.27 | Dougie187 | send a fax |
| 15:46.50 | Dougie187 | AstainHellbring: its basically a fax extension for your phone. it would allow you to receive a fax from specified phone numbers in your phone book, and allow you to send faxes. |
| 15:47.19 | AstainHellbring | how would you get the phone hardware to properly accept it and not just send it out over the speaker? |
| 15:47.26 | Dougie187 | JTAPI |
| 15:49.31 | Dougie187 | its basically just in the idea phase right now. I just wanted to see if people thought it would be useful |
| 15:49.41 | Dougie187 | granted, i thought it would be useful |
| 15:50.10 | Dougie187 | a couple other people thought it was usefu |
| 15:50.14 | Dougie187 | useful* |
| 15:50.19 | Dougie187 | jasta didnt like it but hes a nay-sayer |
| 15:50.22 | jasta | well, it's your time ;) |
| 15:50.35 | Dougie187 | lol yeah. now i have two apps to write. |
| 15:50.39 | Dougie187 | +help you if I can. |
| 15:50.55 | Dougie187 | though I dont know if I can write my fax program yet. |
| 15:51.01 | Dougie187 | because i dont think JTAPI handles faxes yet. |
| 15:51.08 | Dougie187 | not until 2.0, and thats not out yet |
| 15:51.15 | jasta | or that android supports this API |
| 15:51.22 | Dougie187 | true |
| 15:51.29 | jasta | which is probably that it does not |
| 15:51.57 | Dougie187 | why would it not? |
| 15:52.33 | jasta | android doesn't support any JSR APIs, IIRC. |
| 15:53.13 | jasta | also, you could check very easily if there is an implementation in Android or if there is an implementation that could be ported to android |
| 15:53.30 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 15:53.42 | Dougie187 | that was the only thing i had found really this morning. |
| 15:53.43 | jasta | anyway, off to work |
| 15:53.47 | Dougie187 | have fun |
| 15:53.58 | jasta | hopefully we see a new android blog post today explaining that we're all screwed |
| 15:54.08 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:54.11 | jasta | except for an arbitrary few |
| 15:54.50 | Dougie187 | 50 to be specific |
| 15:55.12 | AstainHellbring | you also have to hope that the underlying device access to the phone devices will be capable of faxing too |
| 15:55.36 | dmoffett | There are probably more in the OHA that are allowed access. |
| 16:22.10 | davidw | Dougie187, it sounds kind of cool |
| 16:22.18 | davidw | maybe not useful for most people, but really useful for some people |
| 16:22.43 | Dougie187 | thats what i thought. |
| 16:22.47 | Dougie187 | thanks |
| 16:22.55 | Dougie187 | i dont know when i will be able to implement it |
| 16:23.04 | Dougie187 | because i think it will be a while before JTAPI supports faxes. |
| 16:24.02 | Dougie187 | and it would provide a free way to fax |
| 16:24.14 | Dougie187 | so people dont have to use those stupid online fax service providers |
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| 16:45.34 | jasta | does anyone have any experience with VoIP over DSL? |
| 16:46.22 | volmarias | no, and I find it humorous that you're reimplementing telephony over a telephone network |
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| 17:23.36 | trigatch4 | Holy crap... I just slept for 16 straight hours... |
| 17:24.01 | jasta | Depressed? :) |
| 17:24.08 | trigatch4 | A little bit |
| 17:24.16 | cutmasta | lol |
| 17:24.19 | cutmasta | bye all |
| 17:24.22 | jasta | trigatch4: Me too :) |
| 17:24.25 | trigatch4 | And after I have a coffee I'm going to be insane with energy |
| 17:24.32 | cutmasta | is away (away) |
| 17:24.37 | trigatch4 | why are you depressed? |
| 17:25.32 | jasta | i'm sure i'll get over it. |
| 17:25.39 | jasta | i just poured a lot of energy into Android so far |
| 17:26.01 | jasta | i was bummed that i didn't win the ADC, but it just seems like they've been piling on the disappointment ever since. |
| 17:26.14 | trigatch4 | With the SDK thing? |
| 17:26.33 | jasta | yeah, and just other stuff surrounding it |
| 17:26.54 | trigatch4 | Sorry dude |
| 17:27.08 | trigatch4 | The good thing is |
| 17:27.25 | trigatch4 | The market can prove that the judges were stupid |
| 17:27.32 | volmarias | (or right) |
| 17:27.33 | jasta | i mean, it's only a little bit depressing. i'll be fine, it's not like my wife left me or something :) |
| 17:27.52 | jasta | or, even worse, i had a wife. |
| 17:28.02 | volmarias | or even worse, you were married to a judge |
| 17:28.05 | volmarias | who saw your app |
| 17:28.08 | volmarias | and then left you |
| 17:28.19 | trigatch4 | haha |
| 17:29.14 | trigatch4 | Theres also a 2nd ADC so, you never know |
| 17:29.21 | trigatch4 | what do you do as a Full Time job? |
| 17:29.31 | jasta | lameness |
| 17:29.49 | jasta | i hate my job, and that's what i meant by other stuff surrounding Android |
| 17:29.59 | jasta | ever since i got fired up to work on Android, i have become increasingly unhappy at my current job |
| 17:30.05 | jasta | to the point now where i feel very adrift just sitting here |
| 17:30.21 | volmarias | well, here's a thought, float your resume around and find a new job |
| 17:30.26 | volmarias | work for google! :D |
| 17:30.56 | jasta | i plan to get a new job, i'm just not sure that the timing is right yet |
| 17:31.24 | jasta | i feel like if i may miss out on a better opportunity that would come my way *after* my project gets some public attention. |
| 17:31.52 | Dougie187 | that sentence doesnt make a lot of sense. |
| 17:31.54 | volmarias | yeah. |
| 17:32.14 | volmarias | Have you considered applying for a job at a company that writes mobile software in particular, and see if they have an android strategy? |
| 17:32.20 | jasta | well, i work on Android very aggressively now because it's basically all i want to work on |
| 17:32.35 | jasta | if i find some other interesting job it may tug me in that direction and my project probably will be significantly delayed to launch |
| 17:32.53 | Dougie187 | hey have any of you used Xen versus virtualbox? |
| 17:32.57 | jasta | so it would screw up my timeline for potentially getting a more exciting opportunity |
| 17:33.31 | jasta | i dunno, it's just my dismissive thinking because of all this recent disappointment |
| 17:33.40 | jasta | i'm sure everything will be fine |
| 17:33.53 | volmarias | honestly, waiting for the perfect job to fall into your lap doesn't work well. |
| 17:34.03 | Dougie187 | nope it doesnt. |
| 17:34.05 | volmarias | I kind of did that at my last job, thinking "it'll get better, I'll find a reason that google will hire me" |
| 17:34.13 | volmarias | then I got sick of it and stuck my resume on monster and dice |
| 17:34.14 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:34.20 | volmarias | within a month I was gone with a 40% rase |
| 17:34.26 | volmarias | 30% |
| 17:34.31 | volmarias | raise. |
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| 17:37.23 | Dougie187 | so do any of you know a difference between virtualbox and xen? |
| 17:38.27 | jasta | i will admit i want to work with android in particular, hopefully at one of the OHA members :) |
| 17:38.41 | jasta | though, i don't know if that would turn into a conflict of interest with my personal project |
| 17:38.50 | volmarias | Dougie187: sorry, no. |
| 17:38.56 | Dougie187 | bust. |
| 17:39.02 | volmarias | I've used vmware like once :D |
| 17:39.14 | jasta | i love vmware :) |
| 17:39.20 | Dougie187 | i just spent all morning installing vmware |
| 17:39.27 | Dougie187 | only to find out it was slower then ass on my computer |
| 17:39.28 | jasta | we have two virtualized servers at work, and i use vmware-player on my desktop. |
| 17:39.30 | Dougie187 | it was terrible |
| 17:39.37 | Dougie187 | and i used to use virtualbox and it worked great. |
| 17:39.44 | Dougie187 | i just figured that vmware would be better. |
| 17:39.47 | jasta | actually, i have had bad performance problems when using vmware on the same disk as my host OS. |
| 17:40.02 | jasta | i now buy separate physical disks to support the guest OS, and everything runs *much* faster. |
| 17:40.13 | jasta | not surprisingly, since disk access is a major bottleneck in modern computers |
| 17:40.18 | Dougie187 | what about a laptop with one hdd? |
| 17:40.32 | jasta | oh, well, i wouldn't really think vmware would be a good fit for a laptop anyway |
| 17:40.45 | Dougie187 | ill stick with virtualbox i think |
| 17:40.46 | Dougie187 | its easy. |
| 17:40.57 | jasta | i have not [recently] used vmware on a machine with less than 2GB RAM total |
| 17:41.08 | Dougie187 | yeah i only have 1GB |
| 17:41.09 | Dougie187 | total |
| 17:41.12 | Dougie187 | in my laptop |
| 17:41.17 | volmarias | why are you using a VM on a laptop? |
| 17:41.26 | volmarias | that sounds like you're asking for problems |
| 17:41.42 | volmarias | plus the only 1GB of memory sounds like a great way for performance to be terrible |
| 17:41.53 | Dougie187 | to have windows. |
| 17:42.02 | Dougie187 | in case i need it for anything |
| 17:42.08 | Dougie187 | like small games that dont run in linux. |
| 17:42.12 | Dougie187 | or different applications |
| 17:42.16 | Dougie187 | just so i dont have to dual boot |
| 17:43.09 | jasta | if you require windows for your day-to-day personal computer use, you should probably just put windows on as the main OS |
| 17:43.20 | jasta | i use vmware at work for Outlook and that's pretty much it. |
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| 17:43.25 | jasta | but certainly nothing at home |
| 17:43.39 | jasta | i used to do Windows Mobile development, and for that i just had a separate computer entirely on a KVM |
| 17:43.47 | Dougie187 | I do not require windows very often. |
| 17:43.55 | romainguy_ | I actually used VMWare a lot at Sun to work on Java SE 6 on my Mac |
| 17:44.01 | romainguy_ | it worked really well, even on a laptop |
| 17:44.15 | Dougie187 | for some reason its running like crap on this laptop |
| 17:44.18 | Dougie187 | but you had a mac... |
| 17:44.37 | Dougie187 | VMWare also has fusion for macs. and that stuff looks sweet |
| 17:44.50 | romainguy_ | it's really nice indeed |
| 17:45.07 | Dougie187 | i wish they would get that out for linux |
| 17:45.43 | Dougie187 | so you used vmware at sun instead of virtualbox? |
| 17:45.55 | romainguy_ | that was in 2005/2006 |
| 17:46.11 | jasta | vmware has done a very good job marketing their products too |
| 17:46.15 | Dougie187 | Oh ok |
| 17:46.23 | Dougie187 | before they acquired it. |
| 17:46.32 | romainguy_ | and before there was a Mac OS X version too :) |
| 17:46.34 | jasta | offering lots of functionality for free, and then selling corporate support and more advanced products. |
| 17:46.44 | romainguy_ | I was using Parallels before VMWare |
| 17:46.47 | Dougie187 | did you use server or player? |
| 17:46.49 | romainguy_ | but VMWare works much better |
| 17:46.58 | romainguy_ | Dougie187: neither, the workstation version |
| 17:47.02 | Dougie187 | oh ok |
| 17:47.07 | Dougie187 | i had server earlier. |
| 17:47.10 | Dougie187 | (today) |
| 17:47.14 | volmarias | wait, these are games that you need windows to run |
| 17:47.18 | volmarias | as in don't work adequately w/ wine? |
| 17:47.26 | volmarias | maybe you should just dual boot? :\ |
| 17:47.31 | Dougie187 | well not just games. |
| 17:47.38 | romainguy_ | I successfully ran a few games with VMWare |
| 17:47.38 | Dougie187 | some other apps if i need windows i want to be able to run the apps i need to |
| 17:47.42 | volmarias | Openoffice! :D |
| 17:47.44 | Dougie187 | but some games dont run in linux. |
| 17:47.49 | Dougie187 | and i dont want to waste space for dual boot |
| 17:47.50 | romainguy_ | Max Payne 2 was really smooth on my laptop with VMWare |
| 17:47.50 | jasta | can games really work in vmware? |
| 17:47.59 | jasta | i figured advanced 3D acceleration would not work well through vmware |
| 17:48.00 | romainguy_ | jasta: if they use DirectX 8.1 |
| 17:48.01 | Dougie187 | jasta: yes. some can |
| 17:48.02 | jasta | at least, it never did before |
| 17:48.02 | volmarias | yeah, jesus, I can't imagine how bad the performance is w/ vmware |
| 17:48.05 | romainguy_ | and now some DX 9 work |
| 17:48.12 | romainguy_ | but it really depends on the game |
| 17:48.15 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 17:48.22 | romainguy_ | but again, I played a few games and they ran really well |
| 17:48.22 | Dougie187 | lol i doubt you can get crysis to work. |
| 17:48.24 | jasta | i use cedega (winex) for gaming and it works great. |
| 17:48.25 | Dougie187 | but i bet thats dx10 |
| 17:48.36 | romainguy_ | Crysis doesn't even run fine on my 8-cores, 8 GB of RAM MacPro |
| 17:48.38 | jasta | i have been able to play every game i have wanted to |
| 17:48.39 | Dougie187 | heh |
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| 17:48.40 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 17:48.44 | Dougie187 | its freaking insane. |
| 17:49.19 | Dougie187 | eitherway. |
| 17:49.22 | Dougie187 | i had dualboot before. |
| 17:49.36 | Dougie187 | and i didnt want it. so i did all ubuntu. and now want a vmwareish solution to have windows when i need it |
| 17:50.38 | jasta | for my day-to-day personal use, i just simply never need windows :) |
| 17:51.01 | Dougie187 | i dont either. |
| 17:51.04 | Dougie187 | this is just incase i do |
| 17:51.17 | jasta | why waste so much time provisioning for that case? :) |
| 17:51.35 | Dougie187 | because then it wont take so long when i need to use something on it. |
| 17:51.42 | Dougie187 | like maybe a website that only supports IE. |
| 17:51.50 | Dougie187 | i could install IE in wine i guess. but this is easier. |
| 17:51.50 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:53.11 | volmarias | yeah, you can run IE7 w/ wine or something |
| 17:54.39 | tale_ | Dougie187, I use virtualbox on a dell d600 from about 2004. 1.6 ghz cpu and 1 gb or ram. I use it to run windows xp in a vm with 512 ram for reason you are describing. It works great |
| 17:55.08 | Dougie187 | yeah thats what i use to use. |
| 17:55.12 | Dougie187 | i just figured i would try vmware. |
| 17:55.15 | Dougie187 | and vmware sucked. |
| 17:55.19 | Dougie187 | and a friend recommened Xen |
| 17:55.27 | Dougie187 | so i thought i would see if anyone knew a difference between the two. |
| 17:55.32 | tale_ | vmware works good too, but I think that virtualbox has the advantage for a workstation |
| 17:55.33 | Dougie187 | but i think im just going to use virtualbox again |
| 17:55.46 | tale_ | I was using vmware server and it has limitations |
| 17:55.56 | Dougie187 | vmware server was slower that crap on my laptop. |
| 17:55.57 | tale_ | I still use vmware server at work |
| 17:55.58 | Dougie187 | it sucked. |
| 17:56.10 | tale_ | we have esx servers and I have vmware server installed on my workstation |
| 17:56.19 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 17:56.21 | tale_ | for me the speed is about the same |
| 17:56.30 | tale_ | vmware is a bitch to setup |
| 17:56.39 | Dougie187 | that it is |
| 17:56.58 | tale_ | I usually run the latest version of ubuntu and it's common to have to patch header files to install vmware |
| 17:57.14 | tale_ | virtualbox being gpl'd is in the repositories |
| 17:57.19 | Dougie187 | yeah i found a thread that did vmware. |
| 17:57.26 | Dougie187 | and it had a script to install it. |
| 17:57.34 | Dougie187 | took me about 2 hours this morning to get vmware installed. |
| 17:57.36 | Dougie187 | it sucked. |
| 17:57.40 | tale_ | well, vmware comes with a nice install script |
| 17:57.49 | Dougie187 | yeah and it errored out every time i used it. |
| 17:58.01 | tale_ | it's just that they don't update it to work with the latest kernels |
| 17:58.13 | tale_ | they are targeted more at enterprise distros |
| 17:58.35 | Dougie187 | yeah. |
| 17:58.40 | Dougie187 | either way. im just using virtualbox again. |
| 17:58.52 | Dougie187 | If anyone got Wii Fit today its going on Ebay for ~130-150 |
| 17:59.10 | Dougie187 | i still have to go grab my copy later today |
| 17:59.50 | volmarias | wii fit inside you |
| 17:59.54 | volmarias | 8===D~~~ |
| 18:00.02 | Dougie187 | and.... you crossed the line. |
| 18:00.06 | Dougie187 | good job |
| 18:03.41 | Dougie187 | hey jasta do you pay for cedega? |
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| 18:24.50 | trigatch4 | WiiFit? |
| 18:24.57 | trigatch4 | That thing looks absolutely miserable |
| 18:25.07 | trigatch4 | They could have done SO much more with it |
| 18:25.31 | trigatch4 | The Balance Board should have come out as a premiere product with the WiiFit being it's first game |
| 18:26.05 | poffy | They should've done a snowboarding game |
| 18:26.11 | trigatch4 | I mean, honestly, a Tony Hawk game using the WiiFit Balance Board as your skateboard would be SICK. Same with a snowboarding game. |
| 18:26.20 | poffy | yeah |
| 18:26.24 | romainguy_ | trigatch4: it's been announced |
| 18:26.29 | romainguy_ | it's called Skate It |
| 18:26.33 | trigatch4 | Really? |
| 18:26.36 | romainguy_ | EA is doing it |
| 18:26.40 | trigatch4 | Using the WiiFit Balance Board? |
| 18:26.46 | romainguy_ | yes |
| 18:27.16 | trigatch4 | So how do they differentiate? Are they using the "balance board" or the "WiiFit Balance Board" or using the "WiiFit"? |
| 18:27.21 | trigatch4 | link? |
| 18:27.29 | Dougie187 | Its not a WiiFit Balance Board. |
| 18:27.34 | Dougie187 | its the Wii Balance Board |
| 18:27.41 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:27.45 | Dougie187 | Its basically what you are saying it is. |
| 18:27.52 | Dougie187 | The balance board is mainly what you are paying for |
| 18:27.55 | Dougie187 | + you get wii fit with it |
| 18:28.08 | Dougie187 | which is its first game. |
| 18:28.23 | Dougie187 | thats like saying you are buying the "Wii Play Remote" |
| 18:28.48 | trigatch4 | alright gotchya |
| 18:28.55 | trigatch4 | well then i don't think they marketed it properly |
| 18:29.13 | romainguy_ | trigatch4: except they are selling millions of it... |
| 18:29.18 | trigatch4 | because i've kind of followed the wiifit since they announced it in like december |
| 18:29.21 | romainguy_ | you're just not the target (yet) |
| 18:29.53 | Dougie187 | yeah its all sold out. |
| 18:29.54 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:30.02 | Dougie187 | i think they marketed it pretty well |
| 18:30.19 | Dougie187 | they never really advertised the fact that you can do more with the balance board when it comes out. |
| 18:30.29 | Dougie187 | but thats just to your imagination. |
| 18:30.33 | Dougie187 | its basically another controller. |
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| 18:31.42 | Dougie187 | Hey romainguy_ do you use faxes? heh |
| 18:31.55 | romainguy_ | all the time |
| 18:31.58 | romainguy_ | stupid visa @!# |
| 18:32.05 | Dougie187 | Do you know if Android will support JTAPI? |
| 18:32.13 | romainguy_ | I have no idea |
| 18:32.31 | Dougie187 | because i had an idea for an app this morning. to allow your cell to receive and send faxes. |
| 18:32.40 | Dougie187 | to and from a file. |
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| 18:33.05 | Dougie187 | and JTAPI will support sending and receiving faxes in the future. |
| 18:35.17 | Dougie187 | do you think that would be useful? |
| 18:44.10 | jasta | Dougie187: yes, i do pay for cedega |
| 18:44.19 | Dougie187 | Oh ok |
| 18:44.49 | Dougie187 | what kinda games do you play in it? |
| 18:51.07 | jasta | most recently, I was playing a lot of WarCraft III, Half-Life 2, and Heroes of Might and Magic 5. |
| 18:51.41 | f00f- | i'd say bloody gory games are good stress relievers |
| 18:51.49 | f00f- | except the high last for only a few minutes, for me |
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| 18:52.23 | volmarias | Grr. I wish there was a way to broadcast synchronously, so that I can do unit tests involving broadcasts more easily. |
| 18:52.52 | Dougie187 | i think i might have to install warcraft 3 soon |
| 18:52.57 | Dougie187 | so i can get some DOTA going down |
| 18:53.33 | Dougie187 | i love dota. that game is so fun |
| 18:53.33 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:53.39 | Dougie187 | anyways. its time to go pick up wii fit |
| 18:53.45 | Dougie187 | see you guys later. |
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| 18:54.12 | jasta | lol, i play a lot of dota ;) |
| 19:10.10 | jasta | i'm surprised taht blog post jason was referring to yesterday hasn't come yet. |
| 19:10.16 | jasta | i figured they'd want to respond to this relatively quickly. |
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| 19:33.04 | trigatch4 | Hey Douigie187 you around? |
| 19:39.24 | f00f- | /names |
| 19:39.25 | f00f- | he is not around |
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| 19:44.01 | jasta | f00f-: have you guys received the new SDK already or are they still going to make you wait? :) |
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| 19:48.04 | f00f- | jasta: wednesday at the earliest |
| 19:48.12 | f00f- | had sign a bunch of stuff and drop it in the mail |
| 19:48.26 | f00f- | well wednesday i guess more info |
| 19:48.29 | f00f- | not sure about when we get it :/ |
| 19:49.25 | romainguy_ | I wonder how you guys can report bugs under the NDA |
| 19:49.52 | f00f- | maybe we'll be emailing you directly romain :P |
| 19:50.05 | romainguy_ | Sure you can :) |
| 19:50.26 | romainguy_ | Now, getting your email to be read is another matter ;) |
| 19:50.44 | f00f- | hehe |
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| 20:49.06 | jasta | i'm really curious what they will do here |
| 21:01.17 | dmoffett | Hopefully the delay is Google getting their ducks in a row for releasing the SDK to all of us. |
| 21:01.46 | dmoffett | that scared them off. :-) |
| 21:04.12 | jasta | dmoffett: i honestly doubt it :( |
| 21:04.48 | dmoffett | jasta: right you are. :-) |
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| 21:08.53 | jasta | i bet theyre just trying to figure out if they should extend the NDA offer to the top x winners of the ADC, which has a host of other problems |
| 21:09.04 | jasta | like, revealing who the top x winners were :) |
| 21:09.08 | jasta | and choosing x. |
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| 21:12.10 | jasta | hey dan, how's it going? >:) |
| 21:29.00 | jasta | hehe |
| 21:29.11 | jasta | it's like he has a trigger |
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| 22:01.21 | davidw | ahahahahha |
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| 22:02.09 | davidw | jasta, he's probably taken to drinking heavily with all the people hassling him;-) |
| 22:10.11 | jasta | i would not want his job ;) |
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| 22:16.11 | f00f- | i'd take his alcohol though |
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| 22:46.13 | Dougie187 | man wii fit is cool |
| 22:46.59 | duey | are you fit now? |
| 22:47.08 | f00f- | lose some weight dougie |
| 22:47.24 | Dougie187 | im trying. |
| 22:47.25 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:47.30 | Dougie187 | i dont need to lose weight. |
| 22:47.33 | Dougie187 | i need to gain weight |
| 22:47.59 | Dougie187 | the yoga is really cool so far |
| 22:52.56 | jerkface03 | whatever fatty |
| 22:53.21 | jerkface03 | Dougie187: did you buy it? how many bills? |
| 22:53.31 | jerkface03 | it looks like it'll be atleast 1.5 |
| 22:53.41 | Dougie187 | its 90 bucks |
| 22:54.28 | jerkface03 | Dougie187: does it say how much weight it can support? |
| 22:54.43 | Dougie187 | 330 lbs |
| 22:55.08 | Dougie187 | lol they increased it from the japan release |
| 22:55.24 | jerkface03 | i can imagine |
| 22:55.30 | jerkface03 | most americans are fattyboombas |
| 22:55.33 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 22:55.34 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:55.36 | jerkface03 | too much mcdonalds |
| 22:55.37 | Dougie187 | japan was 299 |
| 22:55.47 | Dougie187 | true. |
| 22:55.52 | Dougie187 | mcdonalds is so gross though |
| 22:55.58 | Dougie187 | i hate eating it |
| 22:56.09 | f00f- | i just had baja fresh folks |
| 22:56.10 | f00f- | i'm stuffed |
| 22:56.12 | jerkface03 | it tastes ok, i get a bad case of the shits whenever i eat it tho |
| 22:56.13 | f00f- | and full of water |
| 22:56.15 | Dougie187 | that stuff is good |
| 22:56.22 | Dougie187 | i love baja fresh |
| 22:56.26 | Dougie187 | i like Moes more though. |
| 22:56.33 | Dougie187 | and Qdoba |
| 22:56.35 | f00f- | it's slow fast food |
| 22:56.42 | Dougie187 | semi-fast food |
| 22:56.42 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 22:56.43 | f00f- | never heard of those, like moe's bar? |
| 22:56.50 | Dougie187 | lol no. not quite |
| 22:57.01 | Dougie187 | http://www.moes.com/ |
| 22:57.04 | f00f- | but most of all, i like chipotle also |
| 22:57.06 | f00f- | big portions tho |
| 22:57.35 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 22:57.50 | f00f- | not bad |
| 22:57.53 | f00f- | looks nice |
| 22:58.00 | Dougie187 | its awesome |
| 22:58.04 | Dougie187 | i love it |
| 22:58.10 | Dougie187 | brb |
| 23:00.35 | f00f- | i need an exercisve app for android |
| 23:00.40 | f00f- | like Nokia Sports Tracker |
| 23:00.59 | f00f- | WTF IS this disk activity about |
| 23:02.35 | jerkface03 | NTFS is indexing your pornographic vidoes for faster access times |
| 23:03.25 | f00f- | there is no porn on here |
| 23:04.35 | f00f- | you were right |
| 23:04.35 | f00f- | indexing |
| 23:04.35 | jerkface03 | indexing porno |
| 23:04.35 | f00f- | but not OS or NTFS |
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| 23:15.50 | Dougie187 | man. wii fit is cool |
| 23:15.51 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:15.53 | Dougie187 | you guys should get it |
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| 23:33.16 | f00f- | i should get a wii |
| 23:33.23 | f00f- | i'd do more android coding |
| 23:33.33 | f00f- | man, i am dozing off |
| 23:33.38 | AstainHellbring | huh hows that make sense? |
| 23:33.39 | f00f- | severe fod comar |
| 23:35.11 | Dougie187 | the wii is really cool. |
| 23:35.15 | Dougie187 | i enjoy it f00f- |
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| 23:35.52 | f00f- | you're obese, so i guess they make it fun to lose weight? |
| 23:36.02 | f00f- | i am joking |
| 23:36.19 | f00f- | i guess it's more interactiive |
| 23:36.27 | jerkface03 | i don't think there's a person in this channel who isn't over 200 lbs |
| 23:36.30 | f00f- | i dont like punching on a controller key pad |
| 23:36.45 | f00f- | so... what are ya saying buddy? |
| 23:36.47 | Dougie187 | <--- is not even 150. |
| 23:38.00 | f00f- | je pense qu'il ny a personne qui pese plus de 200 lebros |
| 23:38.18 | Dougie187 | and... i dont know what you just said. |
| 23:38.59 | jerkface03 | he just admitted he's a fatty in french |
| 23:39.05 | Dougie187 | oh ok |
| 23:39.13 | jerkface03 | je es tres tres grande |
| 23:39.16 | jerkface03 | or whatever |
| 23:39.21 | jerkface03 | i don't remember any french from highschool |
| 23:39.33 | jerkface03 | s/je/tu |
| 23:39.37 | jerkface03 | tu means you, right? |
| 23:39.41 | f00f- | hahaha |
| 23:39.44 | f00f- | yes |
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| 23:41.27 | f00f- | jerkface03: graduated from high school or college in 2003? |
| 23:42.16 | f00f- | le guy du romain |
| 23:43.35 | romainguy | that doesn't mean anything :p |
| 23:44.30 | f00f- | i'm surprised i can still kind of talk/understand french |
| 23:44.34 | f00f- | yeah i know :) |
| 23:44.47 | f00f- | i really should get back into it |
