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| 00:19.00 | jasta | neat, the list of judges released |
| 00:21.01 | jasta | lol, Nat Friedman was one of the judges!? |
| 00:23.06 | trigatch4 | who is Nat Friedman? |
| 00:23.19 | jasta | co-founder of Ximian, and now is some high up at Novell |
| 00:23.41 | jasta | apparently the other co-founder of Ximian, Miguel, was also a judge. what the hell? |
| 00:23.52 | trigatch4 | do you have a link to the article? |
| 00:23.55 | jasta | i wonder which of these assholes gave me a bad score ;) |
| 00:24.20 | duey | jasta, I dont see any music comapnies on the list |
| 00:24.21 | jasta | you mean the android developers blog? |
| 00:24.32 | trigatch4 | didnt know thats where it was |
| 00:24.34 | trigatch4 | thanks |
| 00:24.34 | jasta | duey: Well, no music companies exist in the OHA |
| 00:24.39 | trigatch4 | :) |
| 00:24.54 | duey | they are not all OHA members |
| 00:24.58 | jasta | there are a lot of judges from Google. I expected there to be none or very few. |
| 00:26.01 | duey | someone from SoniVox voted me |
| 00:26.06 | duey | judged* |
| 00:26.09 | jasta | hehe, interesting: http://code.google.com/android/images/adc1r1_deck.pdf |
| 00:26.57 | jasta | i'd really like to know how that CallACab app even works |
| 00:27.13 | jasta | do cab companies offer some sort of advanced digital interface that i don't know about? |
| 00:27.13 | duey | jasta, well it would of been impossible to test |
| 00:28.16 | jasta | hmmmmmmm, interesting |
| 00:28.21 | jasta | there is another music app that won |
| 00:28.23 | jasta | Diggin |
| 00:30.35 | jasta | ***UHHH*** |
| 00:30.43 | jasta | goCart and AndroidScan are like the same f'n thing!? |
| 00:30.49 | duey | lol |
| 00:30.57 | jasta | what. the. fuck. |
| 00:31.01 | duey | stop looking at it jasta |
| 00:31.05 | duey | you will cry |
| 00:31.07 | trigatch4 | weiner. in. a. bottle. |
| 00:31.15 | duey | he has a point |
| 00:31.48 | jasta | what? |
| 00:32.22 | duey | (you have a point i was meaning) |
| 00:32.32 | duey | they should of removed duplicate apps |
| 00:32.45 | duey | but i guess that isnt really fair |
| 00:32.47 | jasta | yeah, that should have been part of the selection process |
| 00:33.18 | jasta | duey: How isn't it? It does not benefit anyone involved except the participants to permit blatant duplicates. |
| 00:33.39 | duey | yesi agree there |
| 00:33.40 | jasta | that Jigsaw app looks kind of neat, though |
| 00:34.13 | duey | but if they developed it without the other team knowing and were able to please the judges |
| 00:34.15 | jasta | i just caught myself doing that the other day. using my mobile phone to take a photo of a white board drawing to archive it before i erased it to do other stuff |
| 00:34.28 | duey | yar |
| 00:34.30 | jasta | duey: right, but one has to be better than the other... |
| 00:34.37 | duey | i guess |
| 00:39.32 | jasta | lol, what the fucking hell |
| 00:39.38 | jasta | youg uys see MyCloset? :) |
| 00:41.05 | jasta | kind of a lot of emergency/saefty-type apps |
| 00:41.08 | jasta | that surprises me some. |
| 00:41.48 | jasta | Social Monster looks like a very cool app, actually. This one I would actually use. |
| 00:41.56 | romainguy | there are some pretty cool apps in this list |
| 00:41.57 | jasta | I hate trying to get my friends to coordinate on anything |
| 00:42.07 | jasta | They're impossible :) |
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| 00:44.39 | jasta | Teradesk also looks very nice. visually probably one of the best looking so far |
| 00:44.58 | jasta | i wish more of thes eprojects were open, however. closed source blows. |
| 00:45.38 | romainguy | if the app is good, I don't mind |
| 00:46.02 | jasta | that's not the point, though. closing these applications stifles further innovation on top of a sound basic concept |
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| 00:47.06 | romainguy | open source is not magical |
| 00:47.12 | romainguy | innovation doesn't happen just because you're open source |
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| 00:48.09 | jasta | i didn't mean to imply that opening them will guarantee that they are better. |
| 00:48.35 | jasta | i meant to express that closing them will limit the realm of innovation to a much smaller group of people. |
| 00:48.51 | jasta | which, in turn, is likely to stifle innovation. |
| 00:49.19 | jasta | of course that is no guarantee, but some of these applications are obvious candidates for community-driven extensions. |
| 00:49.35 | jasta | like Teradesk in particular ;) |
| 00:50.00 | romainguy | Teradesk looks like they grabbed the assets from Windows Vista ^^ |
| 00:50.14 | jasta | it is no wonder why the current mobile landscape is so dead. |
| 00:51.10 | trigatch4 | WritingPad is the dumbest thing I've ever seen - sorry if the developer is here. |
| 00:51.11 | jasta | android alone won't change that. only a significant paradigm shift among developers will. |
| 00:51.33 | romainguy | trigatch4: Why? |
| 00:51.35 | jasta | (well, and maybe users too *grin*) |
| 00:51.47 | trigatch4 | "Innovative and Fun Way to Type" |
| 00:51.57 | trigatch4 | I don't think anybody types to have fun |
| 00:52.11 | trigatch4 | They type because they want to input text so they can accomplish something |
| 00:52.15 | jasta | actually, my first impression of writingpad was very positive |
| 00:52.26 | jasta | but after watching the demo i realized that it actually is slower than a qwerty keyboard |
| 00:52.31 | jasta | at least for me... |
| 00:52.34 | trigatch4 | Exactly |
| 00:52.38 | trigatch4 | S-L-O-W |
| 00:52.46 | trigatch4 | and fun? maybe for 2 seconds... |
| 00:52.51 | jasta | adn even slower than most young people can use T9 |
| 00:52.54 | trigatch4 | until you realize you're bored |
| 00:52.58 | trigatch4 | and typing is quicker |
| 00:53.02 | trigatch4 | and then you delete the app |
| 00:53.47 | jasta | i did like the retina scanning thing. oh man, i wish they'd create this really hollywood style UI too |
| 00:53.51 | jasta | that would be awesome ;) |
| 00:54.04 | jasta | too bad retina scanning with a 1 or 2MP camera would be *EASILY* fooled :) |
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| 01:11.57 | trigatch4 | yeah the retina scanning thing was sick |
| 01:13.30 | trigatch4 | duey: how do you know who judged your submission? |
| 01:14.05 | duey | one of the judges ips had the company name in it |
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| 01:15.20 | michaelnovakjr_2 | howdy |
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| 01:16.09 | michaelnovakjr_2 | hey jasta, around? |
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| 01:55.40 | spinull | someone tell me how to get android on my phone |
| 01:56.54 | spinull | i have an htc 8125 |
| 01:57.30 | spinull | with WM6 |
| 01:57.39 | spinull | unlocked and custom roms |
| 01:58.54 | michaelnovakjr_2 | we don't support android hack installs here |
| 01:59.04 | duey | oh? |
| 01:59.08 | duey | android-internals might |
| 01:59.26 | spinull | im not really trying to install it permanently |
| 01:59.37 | spinull | i just want to experience it |
| 01:59.54 | michaelnovakjr_2 | as do we all :) |
| 02:00.08 | michaelnovakjr_2 | have you downloaded the emulator? |
| 02:00.19 | spinull | the sdk |
| 02:00.19 | spinull | yes |
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| 02:48.29 | trigatch4 | You know what would be really cool? |
| 02:49.13 | trigatch4 | Guess not... |
| 02:49.20 | f00f- | who said libraries didn't win?! :) |
| 02:49.58 | michaelnovakjr_2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.08 | michaelnovakjr_2 | quiet around here |
| 02:50.18 | f00f- | i guess that slideshow shut people up |
| 02:52.21 | f00f- | well i've identified a few competitors to my app :P |
| 02:54.21 | f00f- | oh damn |
| 02:54.23 | f00f- | IMEasy |
| 02:54.26 | f00f- | that is awesome |
| 02:54.47 | f00f- | forget qwerty, just use a stylus |
| 02:54.53 | f00f- | if it did OCR that would be sweet, too |
| 02:55.13 | michaelnovakjr_2 | be back.... ( i am developing two new kickin' applications for android ) !! |
| 02:55.36 | f00f- | nice!! |
| 02:55.45 | michaelnovakjr_2 | one being an RSS Reader with some really neat features |
| 02:56.13 | f00f- | man, some of these have really polised GUI's |
| 02:56.31 | michaelnovakjr_2 | that's the way to go! |
| 02:56.31 | michaelnovakjr_2 | be back in a few minutes |
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| 03:00.17 | trigatch4 | yeah i think a lot of people probably undervalued the importance of UI's in Round 1... even based on subconscious value the judges put on them |
| 03:04.03 | f00f- | i think our GUI is perhaps the ugliest most unpolished |
| 03:09.09 | michaelnovakjr | my new apps are going to have a fresh polished gui |
| 03:09.17 | michaelnovakjr | something friendly to use |
| 03:09.45 | living_sword | but dont Open them ! |
| 03:09.58 | michaelnovakjr | Open? |
| 03:10.22 | living_sword | provide the source |
| 03:10.37 | michaelnovakjr | of course they will be open source ::P |
| 03:11.21 | f00f- | i have to tip my hat off to Google for great PR |
| 03:11.24 | f00f- | they really know how to use it |
| 03:11.29 | f00f- | making a lot of people cry |
| 03:11.50 | f00f- | and now they're gonna release rankings in one form :P |
| 03:11.54 | michaelnovakjr | ? |
| 03:12.02 | f00f- | read the board |
| 03:15.06 | michaelnovakjr | its unreal how much em-radar looks like my app |
| 03:15.14 | michaelnovakjr | in terms of the listing |
| 03:17.07 | f00f- | heh |
| 03:17.12 | f00f- | closed-source ftw! |
| 03:17.13 | f00f- | :D |
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| 03:18.28 | michaelnovakjr | screw him |
| 03:18.36 | michaelnovakjr | i'm open source all the way |
| 03:26.41 | living_sword | someone can upload that pdf to rapidshare or something, cant get it from google. |
| 03:27.16 | trigatch4 | f00f: release rankings how? |
| 03:29.08 | trigatch4 | living_sword: just upped it to my site for you... http://phandroid.com/round1.pdf |
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| 03:32.13 | living_sword_ | trigatch4, thanks |
| 03:40.18 | michaelnovakjr | i don't like diggin's interface |
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| 03:54.55 | living_sword_ | except for one or two, rest is the same social crap |
| 03:58.16 | living_sword_ | i wonder how much multiple facets scored for the UI |
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| 04:07.55 | michaelnovakjr | i just can't believe how the first screenshot of Em-Radar resembles my app |
| 04:08.08 | michaelnovakjr | i guess discussing my app in the irc was a bad idea :) |
| 04:09.22 | jasta | nah, that dude has probably never even been here |
| 04:09.40 | jasta | most of the winners didn't seem to be active in the community |
| 04:10.46 | michaelnovakjr | oh hey |
| 04:10.49 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: *poke* |
| 04:10.51 | michaelnovakjr | got that stuff to work |
| 04:10.53 | jasta | yeah? |
| 04:11.01 | jasta | how was the experience? |
| 04:11.13 | michaelnovakjr | yea it was some gij package that ubuntu installed with java that was screwing up the build system |
| 04:11.21 | jasta | i mean, with my app in particular |
| 04:11.26 | michaelnovakjr | awesome! |
| 04:11.45 | jasta | thanks :) |
| 04:11.59 | jasta | i caught a few really odd bugs last night that i'm not sure how i'm gonna fix with the inotify code |
| 04:12.07 | michaelnovakjr | one sec |
| 04:12.08 | jasta | so that part of the code may not "seem" to work at present |
| 04:12.26 | jasta | though it really does, it's just two unusual cases when you move or delete with a shell that sends to the trash |
| 04:14.00 | trigatch4 | I was surprised how much "social crap" were in the Top 50, to be honest... |
| 04:14.22 | jasta | you were? |
| 04:14.27 | jasta | ...really? :) |
| 04:14.43 | trigatch4 | I know "social networking" is the big thing these days but I mean, cmon? |
| 04:14.51 | jasta | that seemed to be all the rage. what's so stupid though is that launching a successful social network is actually very tricky |
| 04:15.03 | jasta | lots of variables that are hard to predict have to be just right. you really gotta be sitting on the winning lotto ticket. |
| 04:15.04 | michaelnovakjr | indeed |
| 04:15.19 | michaelnovakjr | i actually want to go on record as saying diggin looks terrible |
| 04:15.26 | trigatch4 | and furthermore, too many social networks is counterproductive to the purpose of a social network... |
| 04:15.28 | jasta | like Facebook and MySpace. something undefinable just resonated with people |
| 04:15.32 | jasta | so hard to capture that on purpose |
| 04:15.48 | michaelnovakjr | trigatch4 exactly |
| 04:15.50 | f00f- | social is already flooded, too much going on |
| 04:15.57 | trigatch4 | exactly... it's hard to build the momentum of "I need to be a part of that or I'm missing out" |
| 04:15.59 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: i'm curious about the idea, but they need to expand on what they mean by "a new way" |
| 04:16.16 | trigatch4 | Plus... FaceBook gets an Android App and it's all over for everyone else haha |
| 04:16.19 | michaelnovakjr | the interface is too busy |
| 04:16.56 | trigatch4 | I think the COOLEST ideas are the very NICHE ideas |
| 04:16.56 | f00f- | trigatch4: yes, exactly. |
| 04:17.05 | trigatch4 | the Golf application... |
| 04:17.08 | trigatch4 | brilliant |
| 04:17.23 | trigatch4 | simple yet VERY useful and unparalleled |
| 04:17.36 | trigatch4 | to a a very niche, yet huge audience |
| 04:18.05 | trigatch4 | it's apps like that which will make android, i think |
| 04:19.14 | f00f- | wtf |
| 04:19.17 | trigatch4 | ? |
| 04:19.23 | f00f- | they didnt change the descriptiorn on my slide |
| 04:19.30 | trigatch4 | change it to what? |
| 04:19.33 | f00f- | i guess it's for the app gallery |
| 04:19.39 | f00f- | just reword it |
| 04:19.45 | f00f- | nothing significant |
| 04:19.52 | trigatch4 | which is yours, f00f? |
| 04:19.56 | f00f- | #30 |
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| 04:21.06 | living_sword_ | from the results i deduce that the only thing u can do on android is socialise or check the weather. |
| 04:21.24 | trigatch4 | hahahahha nice |
| 04:21.39 | trigatch4 | that's hilarious |
| 04:21.43 | f00f- | hehe nice |
| 04:21.55 | trigatch4 | I'm pissed about this "application gallery" |
| 04:21.57 | f00f- | TuneWiki's screens look very iPhone-ish... i like |
| 04:22.03 | f00f- | trigatch4: it's not out yet |
| 04:22.04 | trigatch4 | I've been working on an application gallery of my own |
| 04:22.06 | trigatch4 | :( |
| 04:22.27 | f00f- | man |
| 04:22.33 | f00f- | i thought TeraDesk was gonna be some CAD thing |
| 04:22.39 | f00f- | remindes me of AutoDesk |
| 04:22.44 | f00f- | makers of AutoCAD |
| 04:23.28 | trigatch4 | Question: What would you estimate the level of programming difficulty of something like WifiArmy? |
| 04:23.45 | trigatch4 | Dififculty, Time investment, etc... |
| 04:23.49 | f00f- | i still dont get what it is |
| 04:23.57 | f00f- | just a game right |
| 04:23.59 | trigatch4 | Your android phone is like a laser tag gun |
| 04:24.06 | trigatch4 | and the world is the "boundaries" |
| 04:24.31 | trigatch4 | Does that explain it better? |
| 04:24.41 | f00f- | sounds like a novel game :) |
| 04:24.50 | living_sword_ | wheres the time to play, in the day, u'll be at the office and i bet they havent put a night vision on it. |
| 04:25.01 | trigatch4 | ummm |
| 04:25.08 | trigatch4 | i don't think working people will be playing |
| 04:25.13 | trigatch4 | kids have phones these days, old man |
| 04:25.15 | trigatch4 | haha |
| 04:25.28 | living_sword_ | i thought kids went to skool |
| 04:25.36 | f00f- | hi' skoo' |
| 04:25.41 | jerkface03 | schools for fools |
| 04:25.46 | f00f- | fewls |
| 04:25.48 | trigatch4 | schoooooooools.... out... for... the summmer |
| 04:25.51 | jerkface03 | phd |
| 04:25.53 | jerkface03 | player hater degree |
| 04:26.11 | f00f- | for shore |
| 04:26.32 | trigatch4 | seriously though... any idea on the difficulty level of that? |
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| 04:27.01 | f00f- | screenshots? |
| 04:27.05 | trigatch4 | basically of "shooting" someone and detecting a hit or miss |
| 04:27.05 | f00f- | well a few hundred hours |
| 04:27.09 | f00f- | no GUI |
| 04:27.16 | f00f- | with the right expertise in image processing |
| 04:27.37 | trigatch4 | screenshots of what? |
| 04:27.49 | jerkface03 | what? |
| 04:27.56 | f00f- | of wifi army, buddy |
| 04:27.59 | jerkface03 | trigatch4: are you just trying to do collision detection? |
| 04:29.00 | trigatch4 | they have an indepth website at http://wifiarmy.com |
| 04:29.06 | f00f- | ok i saw the first page |
| 04:29.13 | f00f- | not interested, to be really honest |
| 04:29.14 | trigatch4 | jerkface03: yes, collision detection |
| 04:30.56 | trigatch4 | ? |
| 04:35.19 | trigatch4 | and then there were none... |
| 04:35.25 | f00f- | ok, next topic! |
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| 04:38.07 | trigatch4 | sure, skip right past my collision detection |
| 04:38.13 | trigatch4 | ;) jk |
| 04:38.33 | trigatch4 | f00f nice app concept by the way |
| 04:38.38 | trigatch4 | do you live in an urban area? |
| 04:39.54 | f00f- | trigatch4: heh, if you call san jose urban, sure :) |
| 04:40.19 | f00f- | i'd say our app would be useful, especially in a downtown |
| 04:40.27 | f00f- | well also depends *how* you use it |
| 04:40.29 | trigatch4 | yeah, agreed |
| 04:42.10 | trigatch4 | how meaning 1) get money from atm 2) stop by drug dealers house 3) txt friend to let him know we've "got the stuff" 4) drive to friend's 5) go to undisclosed location to make a drop 6) stop at bank to exchange our ATM $20s for $1s 7) go to strip club 8) contact taxi to drive us home |
| 04:42.24 | trigatch4 | something like that, right? |
| 04:42.32 | trigatch4 | hehe jk |
| 04:43.13 | trigatch4 | I live in downtown Baltimore so yeah, I can appreciate how it would be very useful |
| 04:43.15 | f00f- | dude, you're on the ball |
| 04:43.26 | f00f- | and if we have opening/closing times for all those |
| 04:43.36 | f00f- | we can even optimize your DrugRoute(TM) :) |
| 04:43.42 | trigatch4 | haha nice |
| 04:43.47 | f00f- | (that was a joke... for the record) |
| 04:43.55 | f00f- | but technically, lots of possibilities exist |
| 04:44.01 | f00f- | key is to make it simple enough to use |
| 04:44.09 | muthu | and what about th planning after you get home ;) |
| 04:44.24 | trigatch4 | Yup, exactly. Simplicity I think will be the key to all these. |
| 04:44.28 | f00f- | such as, travel itinerary to flee the country? |
| 04:44.28 | f00f- | heh |
| 04:44.33 | trigatch4 | ha |
| 04:46.08 | jasta | yawn |
| 04:46.40 | trigatch4 | I have about 10 android app ideas I think would do gang busters... my goal is to somehow get rich between now and the next ADC announcement so I can hire some programmers |
| 04:46.56 | f00f- | they better not be LBS or social net :P |
| 04:47.38 | trigatch4 | actually... one of them would be kinda neat. I don't want to disclose too much but basically, no matter where you were, you could always get the 10 day weather forecast. |
| 04:48.28 | f00f- | sounds like you could rig that up in 24 hours easily. |
| 04:48.45 | f00f- | GPS LocationProvider, Weather web service, fancy UI. |
| 04:48.47 | f00f- | done/done |
| 04:49.13 | trigatch4 | i was joking |
| 04:49.22 | f00f- | clearly :D |
| 04:49.34 | f00f- | still, i didnt see an SMS app |
| 04:49.37 | f00f- | no one made it |
| 04:49.45 | f00f- | now that is like a 72 hour job |
| 04:49.47 | trigatch4 | okay... i thought you thought i was a douche for a sec ha |
| 04:49.54 | trigatch4 | yeah thats prolly why |
| 04:50.02 | trigatch4 | google will just include stuff like that standard i think |
| 04:50.18 | f00f- | well it better >= iPhone's SMS client |
| 04:50.31 | trigatch4 | i mean someone commented on they couldn't believe their calculator app didn't make the cut? |
| 04:50.38 | f00f- | heh |
| 04:50.56 | trigatch4 | Texas Instruments is an OHA partner... I'm pretty sure they could rig up a pretty nice Android Calculator pretty darn easily |
| 04:51.14 | f00f- | hahahahaha |
| 04:51.58 | trigatch4 | So unless your "calculator" does stuff like unique like the car calculator for horsepower/speed like the one that made the Top 50... leave the 1+1 to GOOG or an abacus |
| 04:52.50 | f00f- | hehe |
| 04:54.37 | trigatch4 | so... I'm in the process of securing an interview with Rich Miner on Friday. Anyone have any questions/ideas they want me to ask? |
| 04:55.01 | f00f- | who is that or why you interviewing with him? |
| 04:55.54 | michaelnovakjr | never heard of him |
| 04:58.27 | f00f- | ask him to wire us some money here, that's about it. |
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| 05:05.35 | trigatch4 | never heard of him? really? |
| 05:06.17 | trigatch4 | He is Google's VP of Mobile Technology |
| 05:09.14 | trigatch4 | f00f: wire us some money? if i'm not mistaken you're $25k richer. I don't want to see you with your hands out! |
| 05:09.33 | trigatch4 | or is that why you're asking for the wire? ha |
| 05:10.12 | f00f- | hahaha |
| 05:10.17 | f00f- | well i want everyone in here to win something |
| 05:10.25 | f00f- | ok trigatch4 |
| 05:10.27 | f00f- | ask him |
| 05:10.42 | f00f- | what are they gonna do to keep the platform from being fragmented like Java ME |
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| 05:14.57 | trigatch4 | k, written down |
| 05:15.19 | f00f- | what else..hmm |
| 05:15.56 | trigatch4 | of course I'm going to pressure him about specific handsets, specific dates, etc... but I'm sure I'll get nothing of that nature |
| 05:16.06 | trigatch4 | "pressure" is a harsh word |
| 05:16.19 | f00f- | well |
| 05:16.25 | trigatch4 | more like "guilt him into admitting"... pleaaaaaaaaaaaaase mr. miner pleaaaaaaaaaaase |
| 05:17.15 | living_sword_ | u can ask him if he visits the android forum |
| 05:17.57 | trigatch4 | you mean since he clearly isn't one of the 12 members? |
| 05:20.11 | living_sword_ | just to check if he's aware of the issues faced by developers |
| 05:20.32 | living_sword_ | especially the android-challenge forum |
| 05:20.58 | f00f- | demand that all the non-top 50 guys get free android devices |
| 05:21.05 | f00f- | of the 1788 - 50 |
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| 05:22.06 | living_sword_ | u can ask him what was his involvement in ADC |
| 05:22.17 | living_sword_ | like at what level. |
| 05:22.37 | trigatch4 | living_sword: since I'm not a developer, I must admit I'm a bit ignorant to those issues you mention. If you can broadly explain them I'd be happy to ask. |
| 05:23.59 | trigatch4 | f00f: I don't think demanding anything will get the type of reaction I'm hoping for. And if I were to demand something, it would be for the 1788 - 50 + 1(me). And then I would graciously sell one to each of you for an extremely discounted price. haha jk |
| 05:24.24 | f00f- | just suggest it |
| 05:24.28 | f00f- | convey the emotions |
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| 05:24.34 | f00f- | people are crying |
| 05:24.40 | f00f- | actually you know what |
| 05:24.42 | f00f- | no |
| 05:24.43 | trigatch4 | what |
| 05:24.46 | f00f- | dont suggest that |
| 05:24.52 | trigatch4 | i won't, don't worry |
| 05:24.53 | f00f- | people that cry or complain dont deserve it |
| 05:25.06 | f00f- | only the persistent ones should be rewarded especially for android loyalty |
| 05:25.10 | f00f- | such as those who entered but didnt place |
| 05:25.17 | f00f- | IF they continue working on their app |
| 05:25.22 | f00f- | that would be ultimate loyalty test |
| 05:25.41 | f00f- | they could create a Forum Nokia-like program (kinda like S60 Ambassadors) but give free stuff to develoeprs who are active on the platform |
| 05:25.49 | jasta | speaking of, i'm doing some touch-ups and edits to my app's demo video :) |
| 05:25.50 | f00f- | that would really resonate with passionate Android devs |
| 05:25.57 | living_sword_ | trigatch, u know majority of developers feel the ADC has been unjust in picking the 50. and if he visits the forum , he would know that. |
| 05:26.14 | Kraln | how do you speak for the majority of developers? |
| 05:26.23 | Kraln | they chose what they thought people would want and would make their platform viable |
| 05:26.26 | Kraln | you didn't have to compete |
| 05:26.28 | Kraln | you knew the rules |
| 05:26.33 | Kraln | stfu and accept that you are NOT AS GOOD as other people |
| 05:26.40 | Kraln | wah wah I lost cry me a river and stfu |
| 05:26.51 | living_sword_ | wow |
| 05:26.52 | jasta | while i understand where you're coming from, i think your basic argument needs some work :) |
| 05:27.05 | trigatch4 | yeah but he's a smart guy, you know what he'll say regardless to that question. they did the best they good, it was hard to judge because all the apps were very good and competitive. unfortunately there has to be losers. |
| 05:27.25 | trigatch4 | If there were shortcomings in the first ADC we'll certainly take a look and try to improve future rounds and future challenges |
| 05:27.29 | trigatch4 | yada yada yada |
| 05:27.46 | trigatch4 | thats a soft question |
| 05:28.11 | trigatch4 | although I can ask about SPECIFIC shortcomings and see if he'll address SPECIFIC issues |
| 05:28.21 | trigatch4 | but will most likely get a generic response |
| 05:28.29 | jasta | what are you talking about? |
| 05:28.33 | jasta | who's "he"? |
| 05:28.45 | living_sword_ | well, my suggestion was to ask him if he visits the forum, |
| 05:28.55 | f00f- | he wont, forget it |
| 05:28.57 | jasta | who? |
| 05:28.57 | f00f- | be realistic |
| 05:29.09 | trigatch4 | jasta: Rich Miner, Google VP of MobileTechnology |
| 05:29.22 | jasta | are you interviewing him or something? |
| 05:29.27 | trigatch4 | yeah hopefully |
| 05:29.30 | jasta | and yes, i agree with f00f, he probably has much better things to do. |
| 05:29.31 | f00f- | top guys like that don't have time to look at that |
| 05:29.34 | trigatch4 | they're trying to set something up for Friday with me |
| 05:29.38 | f00f- | they work with executive summaries (1 page or less) |
| 05:29.50 | f00f- | trigatch4: i hope you ask him the tough, hard questions |
| 05:29.51 | f00f- | make him sweat |
| 05:29.53 | jasta | what is the topic of the interview? |
| 05:30.00 | trigatch4 | Android in general |
| 05:30.09 | trigatch4 | I'm trying to get some good questions as we speak |
| 05:30.28 | jasta | hmm, well good luck |
| 05:30.35 | trigatch4 | thanks man |
| 05:30.39 | trigatch4 | should be a fun interview |
| 05:31.06 | trigatch4 | just want to make sure I';ve got some interesting questions that haven't been asked before... things that will shed some new light on android issues |
| 05:31.24 | jasta | i don't see how you could ;) |
| 05:32.24 | muthu | trigatch4: ask him how they are going to work with all of the mobile OEM's and carriers |
| 05:33.59 | trigatch4 | muthu: thats kind of broad do you think you could narrow it down a bit? i feel like the question isn't very direct and pointed, it is easy to dance around. |
| 05:34.28 | trigatch4 | by saying something like, "we'll work with each one to insure their needs are met within the android framework... etc..." |
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| 05:35.35 | living_sword_ | ask him , apart from phones, what other devices might we see android on this year |
| 05:38.32 | jasta | i want to see an in-dash car stereo with a GSM radio running my app on the Android stack :) |
| 05:39.13 | jasta | or perhaps not. just linux and the framebuffer, with all the driver goodness that we are going to as a result of Android |
| 05:39.42 | jasta | i would actually pay an extra whatever, $40/mo for that privilege :) |
| 05:40.43 | romainguy__ | trigatch4: what's the context of your interview? |
| 05:42.02 | trigatch4 | what other devices besides phones... GREAT question |
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| 05:42.20 | trigatch4 | romainguy__: no context... just android in general |
| 05:42.43 | romainguy__ | trigatch4: sure, but why are you interviewing Rich Miner? Is it just personal, or is it as a journalist, etc? |
| 05:43.08 | trigatch4 | As a journalist for http://phandroid.com |
| 05:43.59 | trigatch4 | Just try to get some interesting info straight from the horses mouth... uncover some things that may not have been talked about yet... |
| 05:44.28 | trigatch4 | I asked a LONG time ago to interview Jason Chen and they promised to set something up... |
| 05:44.51 | trigatch4 | Never heard back, e-mailed them again like "you dissed me" and they said, "how about Rich Miner on Friday" |
| 05:45.22 | f00f- | jasonchen: |
| 05:45.26 | f00f- | is in this chan buddy |
| 05:45.35 | f00f- | just privmsg him |
| 05:45.46 | f00f- | jasonchen: someone wants to interview you, whoever you are |
| 05:45.55 | jasta | yeah, Jason Chen is just a dev advocate. |
| 05:46.03 | jasta | shouldn't be hard to have a conversation with him |
| 05:47.04 | trigatch4 | *uses AndroidScan to scan barcode of "Detective Work for Dummies* |
| 05:47.31 | trigatch4 | whoops |
| 05:47.45 | trigatch4 | oh well... now I'll have 2 interviews hehe |
| 05:48.00 | trigatch4 | Miner is the guy that said "Android will outsell the iPhone" |
| 05:48.09 | trigatch4 | that in itself is reason enough for an interview |
| 05:48.17 | jasta | well, he has to say that |
| 05:48.29 | romainguy__ | Android is not one product, it's a platform |
| 05:48.42 | jasta | some windows mobile exec said recently they will have 40% of the cell phone market world-wide by 2010. you know, it's just rhetoric ;) |
| 05:49.17 | living_sword_ | u could ask about Flash, is google working with adobe or is it completely left on adobe to pursue it. |
| 05:50.01 | jasta | really, we don't need Flash on mobile devices. what we need is popular sites creating alternate delivery vehicles for their content that don't rely on Flash |
| 05:50.07 | jasta | like native mobile applications, for one. |
| 05:50.54 | jasta | adobe has their head too far up their ass, and content providers are likely to figure that out way before adobe does. |
| 05:51.03 | living_sword_ | hehe |
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| 05:57.18 | f00f- | what does xpp.getAttributeValue(arg0, arg1) return and accept? |
| 05:57.31 | f00f- | is it attribute name, default value? |
| 05:59.44 | romainguy__ | what is the xpp object? |
| 05:59.52 | f00f- | XmlPullParser |
| 06:01.01 | romainguy__ | then that would be the namespace and the attribute name |
| 06:01.15 | f00f- | ah ok nvm |
| 06:01.24 | f00f- | so to get attributes, i just need to do a loop for each one |
| 06:07.15 | f00f- | corona+lime ok time to code |
| 06:13.12 | f00f- | romainguy__: can open like res/values/strings.xml from code? |
| 06:13.18 | f00f- | i want to parse it using XPP |
| 06:13.28 | dueynz | so |
| 06:13.36 | dueynz | looks like ill be stopping my project :) |
| 06:13.52 | f00f- | openNonAsset() or openXmlBlock() ? |
| 06:14.07 | f00f- | why dueu |
| 06:14.09 | jasta | dueynz: why? |
| 06:14.31 | dueynz | ive decided mobile ain't for me |
| 06:14.38 | dueynz | moving into the parasite world |
| 06:15.05 | f00f- | sucks |
| 06:15.11 | romainguy__ | f00f-: why would you want to do this? |
| 06:15.46 | f00f- | romainguy__: i want to define a part of my application's menu hierarchy in XML, so to have an XML file recognized and give an error in eclipse if it's malformed, it should be under res/ ? |
| 06:16.03 | romainguy__ | you can put it in asset/ |
| 06:16.06 | romainguy__ | (or assets/) |
| 06:16.19 | f00f- | it's in assets/ and has a .xml extension yet it doesnt give an error if it's malformed |
| 06:16.20 | jasta | gah, i am way too self conscious to record a demo video :) |
| 06:16.28 | jasta | i keep saying stupid things and stuttering |
| 06:16.50 | dueynz | jasta, computer voice lol |
| 06:17.10 | f00f- | cut the voice |
| 06:17.12 | romainguy__ | f00f-: note that in our current builds it is possible to define menus in XML :) |
| 06:17.41 | f00f- | i mean the icons on my main screen (so using XML to define a simple state machine) |
| 06:18.02 | f00f- | romainguy__: but that is cool, too... i gues i should make use of menus more than just for Help and Exit |
| 06:19.04 | romainguy__ | Exit? |
| 06:19.07 | romainguy__ | You have an Exit menu? |
| 06:19.08 | romainguy__ | Booo |
| 06:19.57 | f00f- | sorry only on the main screen |
| 06:20.02 | f00f- | since back button just sits there |
| 06:20.08 | f00f- | we dont want the user to accidentally Back out and exit the app |
| 06:20.09 | romainguy__ | Still |
| 06:20.14 | f00f- | sinceback button is used to navigate the hierarchy |
| 06:20.18 | f00f- | how should itbe done? |
| 06:20.25 | romainguy__ | The Android philosophy is to not have an exit/quit menu |
| 06:20.28 | f00f- | (that is, to go up a level in the hierarchy) |
| 06:20.40 | romainguy__ | and preferably let back do that |
| 06:20.56 | f00f- | in this case, Back could be bad for usability, imho |
| 06:21.02 | romainguy__ | why? |
| 06:21.04 | f00f- | or maybe we should use back, but confirm the exit? |
| 06:21.07 | romainguy__ | why your application in particular? |
| 06:21.07 | romainguy__ | no |
| 06:21.13 | romainguy__ | back doesn't exit applications in Android |
| 06:21.16 | romainguy__ | it just goes back |
| 06:21.16 | f00f- | cause back is used for navigation |
| 06:21.29 | romainguy__ | then it's fine |
| 06:21.42 | romainguy__ | I know I'd be really pissed to use an Android app which would change the behavior of the back button |
| 06:21.44 | f00f- | but when you reach the top-level of the app (the main screen), what should back do? |
| 06:21.53 | romainguy__ | you let back do whatever it does |
| 06:22.01 | romainguy__ | that is go back to what the user was doing before your activity |
| 06:22.07 | f00f- | well i just disabled it for now, just in case the user accidentally presses back one too many times |
| 06:22.30 | romainguy__ | that's ok |
| 06:22.30 | romainguy__ | he jut has to click your app icon again |
| 06:22.30 | romainguy__ | since the app is not killed |
| 06:23.20 | f00f- | ok so i should just hide it... basically call super |
| 06:23.34 | romainguy__ | yep |
| 06:23.37 | romainguy__ | just use the default behavior |
| 06:24.05 | f00f- | so is it safe to assume that this will go back to a screen with an icon for the app? |
| 06:24.10 | f00f- | or a way to get to it with one click |
| 06:24.18 | romainguy__ | if your app was launched from the home screen yes |
| 06:24.27 | romainguy__ | but if your app was invoked from another app, it will go back to this other app |
| 06:24.35 | romainguy__ | (which is exactly what you want actually) |
| 06:24.35 | f00f- | ok, that's fine |
| 06:24.46 | f00f- | ok i will make this change now, thx |
| 06:25.00 | romainguy__ | No pb :)) |
| 06:25.26 | romainguy__ | Sorry to insist on that, but since I've been using android 10 hours a day for the past 12 months, there are some things I kinda take for granted in apps ;-)) |
| 06:26.16 | f00f- | the fastest way to get back to the top level in my app is tpo hit the Back button a million times :P |
| 06:27.04 | f00f- | i really need to fix application lifecycle issues in my app |
| 06:27.19 | f00f- | should obey those guidelines! |
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| 12:54.03 | Dougie187 | good morning everyone |
| 12:54.12 | muthu | Dougie187: mornin |
| 12:54.20 | Dougie187 | how are you muthu? |
| 12:54.40 | muthu | i'm ok |
| 12:54.46 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 12:54.56 | muthu | you know its one of those days |
| 12:55.01 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 12:55.02 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 12:55.12 | Dougie187 | you excited to get your prize money? |
| 12:55.37 | muthu | i'll be excited when we actually deliver them on gphones :) |
| 12:56.04 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 12:56.23 | muthu | have you looked at the winners slideshow? |
| 13:00.37 | Dougie187 | no |
| 13:00.40 | Dougie187 | i didnt know there was one |
| 13:01.00 | muthu | its in the android website |
| 13:01.25 | Dougie187 | yeah i found it. |
| 13:01.26 | Dougie187 | thats cool |
| 13:04.39 | Dougie187 | man, some of these are totally dumb |
| 13:04.46 | muthu | which ones? |
| 13:05.49 | Dougie187 | i think breadcrumbs is kinda usless |
| 13:05.50 | Dougie187 | useless |
| 13:05.59 | Dougie187 | and beetaun |
| 13:06.15 | muthu | i donno |
| 13:06.15 | Dougie187 | i dont see the point in the iris scanning one, but i guess it could be cool. |
| 13:06.42 | muthu | bio wallet is a nice app |
| 13:07.09 | Dougie187 | yeah, but whats the point? |
| 13:07.39 | muthu | so you can control who sees what |
| 13:07.47 | Dougie187 | are you going to scan your iris to check your email? |
| 13:07.58 | Kraln | muthu: the reason your vm was messed up: you got hacked |
| 13:08.01 | Dougie187 | i thought of it like a keyring. |
| 13:08.14 | muthu | Kraln: really, bummer! |
| 13:08.23 | Kraln | did you disable root login? =/ |
| 13:08.50 | Dougie187 | i am disappointed by the number of social networking apps |
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| 13:08.55 | muthu | Kraln: guess so, my sysadmin did that |
| 13:09.44 | muthu | he's a learner though |
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| 13:10.05 | muthu | Dougie187: yeah, mostly lbs backed apps |
| 13:10.23 | Dougie187 | some just seem completely useless. |
| 13:10.40 | Dougie187 | like, i cant imagine the number of people who would use it to be more then ~100 |
| 13:10.49 | Dougie187 | and even they wouldnt use it for that long. |
| 13:11.04 | Dougie187 | i mean of them are great ideas. |
| 13:11.08 | Dougie187 | like i really like the barcode one. |
| 13:11.11 | Dougie187 | i think thats a cool idea. |
| 13:11.17 | Dougie187 | and i like your cooking one. |
| 13:11.24 | Dougie187 | because i wont need my laptop in my kitchen. |
| 13:11.24 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 13:11.28 | muthu | haha |
| 13:11.31 | Dougie187 | and i can use my phone as a shopping list. |
| 13:11.39 | Dougie187 | ohh |
| 13:11.43 | Dougie187 | thats a feature you should add. |
| 13:11.43 | muthu | yeah |
| 13:11.48 | Dougie187 | i dont know if you have it or not. |
| 13:11.56 | Dougie187 | but can you make your own shopping list in it? |
| 13:11.59 | Kraln | muthu: I still haven't heard from mary-ann |
| 13:12.07 | muthu | Kraln: i did my job |
| 13:12.11 | muthu | she needs to decide |
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| 13:12.23 | Kraln | muthu: she hasn't even contacted me, is my meaning |
| 13:12.27 | Dougie187 | man, there are repeats of apps too |
| 13:12.31 | Dougie187 | thats freaking stupid. |
| 13:12.41 | michaelnovakjr_1 | :) |
| 13:12.42 | muthu | Kraln: i've send her some 20 profiles |
| 13:12.49 | michaelnovakjr_1 | diggin is ugly |
| 13:13.01 | Kraln | muthu: that's too bad for me, i guess |
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| 13:13.19 | muthu | Kraln: honestly, she owns the whole thing |
| 13:13.25 | Dougie187 | they have two barcode scanning apps. |
| 13:13.31 | Dougie187 | two weather monitor apps |
| 13:13.32 | Kraln | anyway, what do you want to do about your hacked vps |
| 13:13.37 | ligi | namaskar muthu |
| 13:13.45 | muthu | ligi: halo |
| 13:13.47 | ligi | and hello to all the others here |
| 13:13.50 | muthu | Kraln: set it straight man |
| 13:14.06 | muthu | Kraln: and send some instructions to my sysadmin, on how to prevent these in future |
| 13:14.13 | Kraln | I can't set it straight |
| 13:14.15 | Dougie187 | i think the free family watch is kinda cool too |
| 13:14.16 | Kraln | I sent you an email |
| 13:14.22 | Kraln | the vz is going to be destroyed |
| 13:14.27 | Kraln | if there's any data files you need, let me know |
| 13:14.34 | muthu | oh ok |
| 13:14.53 | muthu | shit, hope he learns from this |
| 13:14.57 | muthu | i'll have a word with him |
| 13:15.04 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr how are you liking the winning apps? |
| 13:15.16 | michaelnovakjr_1 | not really liking them at al |
| 13:15.22 | michaelnovakjr_1 | diggin looks like crap |
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| 13:16.12 | Dougie187 | what does it do? |
| 13:16.18 | muthu | a lot of the winning apps are pretty simple |
| 13:16.45 | Dougie187 | i am just disappointed by the shear number of social networking apps and the number of repeat ideas in the winning 50 |
| 13:17.10 | Dougie187 | they could have cut a lot of those out and put new ideas that would be indispensable to users. |
| 13:17.23 | Dougie187 | maybe add really cool new features to the phone people hadn't thought about |
| 13:17.35 | Dougie187 | but now, they have like 3 choices for getting their weather on their phone |
| 13:17.54 | muthu | yeah, there are 3 weather apps |
| 13:17.56 | Dougie187 | two ways of checking prices by barcodes. |
| 13:18.29 | Dougie187 | did duey win? |
| 13:19.07 | muthu | duey did not win |
| 13:19.15 | Dougie187 | see. his app would be really useful. |
| 13:19.23 | Dougie187 | and it would have been an awesome feature to have on a phone. |
| 13:19.41 | Dougie187 | they could have dumped one of the weather apps or one of the billion social networking apps and put his in there. |
| 13:19.57 | Dougie187 | locale seems cool too. but i think thats a feature most phone os's come with nowadays |
| 13:20.47 | Dougie187 | someone should make a bluetooth network app |
| 13:20.53 | Dougie187 | that links phones together with bluetooth. |
| 13:21.00 | Dougie187 | and lets you talk to each other. |
| 13:21.13 | muthu | someone actually did |
| 13:21.21 | muthu | guess fluidnexus |
| 13:21.53 | Dougie187 | thats cool. |
| 13:22.23 | Dougie187 | i wonder if you could allow a phone to use your phone as a bridge to make calls. |
| 13:22.38 | muthu | haha |
| 13:22.44 | muthu | so you get billed! |
| 13:22.56 | Dougie187 | well no, but like if your camping on a weekend for instance. |
| 13:23.02 | Dougie187 | and verizon gets coverage but Att doesnt. |
| 13:23.14 | Dougie187 | and the verizon person has free nights and weekends. |
| 13:23.26 | muthu | right |
| 13:23.29 | Dougie187 | then they can allow people to "tether" their phones to his phone, and make calls through his line. |
| 13:23.33 | muthu | would be useful in emergency etc., |
| 13:23.35 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i am writing an awesome rss reader |
| 13:23.44 | Dougie187 | granted only one person would be able to do it at a time. |
| 13:24.09 | Dougie187 | for android michaelnovakjr? |
| 13:24.12 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yes |
| 13:24.28 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 13:24.42 | michaelnovakjr_1 | it syncs up your feeds with feedburner |
| 13:25.02 | michaelnovakjr_1 | so you don't have to re-enter them on your phone, and you can also manage them from either a computer or your phone |
| 13:25.07 | michaelnovakjr_1 | its almost done |
| 13:25.17 | muthu | a feed reader would be cool |
| 13:25.28 | Dougie187 | nice. |
| 13:25.36 | Dougie187 | just some of these apps are completely useless. |
| 13:25.38 | michaelnovakjr_1 | muthu, a feed reader with Feedburner!! |
| 13:25.51 | Dougie187 | it just astounds me how they made it to the top 50. |
| 13:25.53 | michaelnovakjr_1 | it is aptly named ... FeedMe |
| 13:26.02 | muthu | nice name |
| 13:26.04 | Dougie187 | they are completely dispensible. |
| 13:26.16 | michaelnovakjr_1 | Dougie187, i totally agree |
| 13:26.43 | Dougie187 | i can image a good portion of these apps getting a max of 30 points for the judging. |
| 13:26.57 | Dougie187 | and there are so many repeats. |
| 13:28.53 | Dougie187 | omg... social network... social network... social network. |
| 13:29.36 | Dougie187 | i think about 10% of these have useful ideas and features. |
| 13:30.02 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yea, i was disappointed... i expected mor |
| 13:30.03 | michaelnovakjr_1 | e |
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| 13:30.23 | Dougie187 | i know. |
| 13:30.37 | Dougie187 | and all of these apps are competing ideas. |
| 13:30.38 | Dougie187 | well |
| 13:30.41 | Dougie187 | a lot of them are. |
| 13:30.46 | Dougie187 | few of them are completely unique. |
| 13:31.16 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i'm just glad android is open source |
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| 13:31.38 | michaelnovakjr_1 | and that i can write my own version of software to make up for this utter crap |
| 13:31.52 | volmarias | Ok, has anyone actually used android positron? |
| 13:31.53 | muthu | its amazing how quickly apps can be build on android |
| 13:32.03 | volmarias | I'm having some trouble just getting it to work |
| 13:32.25 | volmarias | either their documentation is inaccurate, or I'm missing something huge here |
| 13:32.40 | Dougie187 | muthu, how did you feel about the top 50 apps? |
| 13:32.43 | Dougie187 | aside from your app. |
| 13:32.44 | volmarias | To run your test suite, call adb shell "/system/bin/am instrument -w bolt.client/.Positron". Here, as will the previous examples, replace "bolt.client" with the name of your own package, and ".Positron" with the name of your positron subclass. Don't forget the leading period! |
| 13:33.01 | volmarias | Which I did, except that it gives me an INSTRUMENTATION_FAILED error :\ |
| 13:33.39 | muthu | Dougie187: we have nice apps in top 50.. isn't it? |
| 13:33.48 | michaelnovakjr_1 | no |
| 13:34.15 | Dougie187 | im with michaelnovakjr. |
| 13:34.20 | Dougie187 | well |
| 13:34.24 | Dougie187 | i guess there are some nice apps. |
| 13:34.30 | Dougie187 | but over all im disappointed by them. |
| 13:34.40 | muthu | bound to happen |
| 13:34.43 | muthu | in all challenge |
| 13:34.54 | Dougie187 | i think the judges could have picked a lot more unique and indispensible ideas. |
| 13:35.06 | volmarias | sigh. No contact information, either. |
| 13:35.12 | Dougie187 | rather than a lot of repeating ideas and social networking apps. |
| 13:35.12 | volmarias | I have no idea how to go about getting help :\ |
| 13:35.13 | muthu | judges had their criteria, so they went with it |
| 13:35.16 | Dougie187 | sorry volmarias. |
| 13:35.41 | Dougie187 | anyways. hey muthu. |
| 13:35.45 | Dougie187 | i dont know if you had this implemented. |
| 13:35.50 | Dougie187 | but an idea i had for your app. |
| 13:35.55 | muthu | tell me |
| 13:35.56 | Dougie187 | since you have the "shop" thing. |
| 13:36.07 | Dougie187 | that gives you a shopping list right? |
| 13:36.38 | Dougie187 | first can you select multiple recipes and get a single shopping list that incorporates all of the recipes? |
| 13:37.36 | Dougie187 | ... |
| 13:38.21 | Dougie187 | hey michaelnovakjr. my laptop should get fixed today |
| 13:38.28 | Dougie187 | and possibly shipped back to me. |
| 13:39.03 | volmarias | argh. |
| 13:40.40 | muthu | what's the idea? |
| 13:40.55 | muthu | Dougie187: ? |
| 13:40.57 | muthu | too much of suspense there.... |
| 13:41.05 | michaelnovakjr_1 | wow Dougie187, finally! |
| 13:41.57 | muthu | Dougie187: good idea |
| 13:42.06 | volmarias | So, does anyone have any experience with Instrumentation? |
| 13:42.11 | tomgibara | I'm reading through the deck of winners. |
| 13:42.18 | tomgibara | Does anyone have a clear idea of what "City Slikkers" actually involves? |
| 13:43.30 | muthu | tomgibara: its a game based on real geo locations? |
| 13:45.16 | tomgibara | It says it "changes the way surroundings are seen" |
| 13:45.30 | volmarias | Nevermind, I suck, I forgot to push the new version of my code before attempting to run positron :P |
| 13:45.46 | tomgibara | so is that an AR LBS entry? |
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| 13:46.07 | muthu | tomgibara: the screenshots are not giving much info |
| 13:46.44 | tomgibara | muthu: no, and the web page didn't make much sense to me either |
| 13:47.09 | muthu | tomgibara: guess the idea was innovative |
| 13:47.42 | muthu | tomgibara: what's happening with moseycode? |
| 13:48.18 | tomgibara | muthu: I'm just about to release another version - am currently doing more documentation |
| 13:48.36 | tomgibara | muthu: it supports the scanning of a wide range of existing barcode formats now |
| 13:48.37 | muthu | tomgibara: cool, i've send your info to mary ann |
| 13:49.20 | muthu | did she chat with you? |
| 13:49.55 | tomgibara | muthu: not yet - should I be expecting an email? |
| 13:50.07 | muthu | ok, i'll check |
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| 14:16.28 | volmarias | argh, other problems with getting positron to work. |
| 14:18.10 | muthu | volmarias: what are they? |
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| 14:58.17 | Dougie187 | hey sorry guys. my sysadmins are having network issues |
| 14:59.46 | Dougie187 | muthu you here still? |
| 14:59.53 | muthu | yeah |
| 15:00.42 | jasta | yawn |
| 15:00.50 | muthu | ssup jasta |
| 15:00.57 | Dougie187 | did you get my idea earlier muthu? |
| 15:01.07 | muthu | Dougie187: yes, that's a great idea |
| 15:01.28 | Dougie187 | i was also going to say. |
| 15:01.38 | Dougie187 | you should add the ability to add random items to your shopping list. |
| 15:01.49 | Dougie187 | that are not relevant to your recipes. |
| 15:02.14 | muthu | yes, you can |
| 15:03.02 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:03.40 | Dougie187 | you should see if you could incorporate the bar code scanning thing too. |
| 15:03.55 | Dougie187 | then you can scan something at home and have it get added to your shopping list. |
| 15:03.59 | muthu | why? |
| 15:04.07 | Dougie187 | or scan something and have it get removed. |
| 15:04.20 | muthu | brb.. dinner time |
| 15:04.21 | Dougie187 | it would be quicker then typing in the names and stuff. |
| 15:04.22 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 15:04.29 | Dougie187 | hows it going jasta? |
| 15:07.13 | jasta | fine |
| 15:09.28 | volmarias | muthu: creating a test and trying to run it involves an exception being thrown |
| 15:09.36 | volmarias | I can run an empty test suite just fine! |
| 15:09.43 | volmarias | but add a testcase to it, oh shit, that's a problem right there. |
| 15:09.57 | volmarias | I'm going to try following the tutorial on http://dtmilano.blogspot.com/2008/01/test-driven-development-and-gui-testing.html] |
| 15:10.01 | volmarias | http://dtmilano.blogspot.com/2008/01/test-driven-development-and-gui-testing.html |
| 15:10.09 | volmarias | see if I can get that working |
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| 15:17.14 | cutmasta | wtf |
| 15:17.22 | cutmasta | 700 visitors on my page |
| 15:17.42 | cutmasta | must get a new coffee |
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| 15:18.17 | tmccrary | So, anything new on the hardware front? |
| 15:18.24 | tmccrary | Any dev hardware available or anything? |
| 15:18.33 | jasta | tmccrary: no, and we are not expecting there to be |
| 15:18.40 | jasta | so neither should you :) |
| 15:18.57 | tmccrary | Why not? |
| 15:19.02 | cutmasta | tmccrary, i read in the google blog |
| 15:19.11 | cutmasta | 3rd quarter of 08 |
| 15:19.21 | jasta | tmccrary: Well, do you have reason to suspect there will be dev hardware available? |
| 15:19.28 | cutmasta | they should speed up things because of 2nd generation of iphone |
| 15:19.32 | tmccrary | Well it would be a logical step |
| 15:19.40 | tmccrary | I can't really do anything with android until the hardware comes out |
| 15:19.46 | jasta | cutmasta: you can't just "speed up" sometimes. |
| 15:19.47 | tmccrary | the emulator is flakey and slow |
| 15:19.52 | jasta | tmccrary: Then you sit there and wait. |
| 15:19.57 | cutmasta | jasta, i know |
| 15:20.02 | cutmasta | but would be good |
| 15:20.16 | cutmasta | to have a competitor against iphone early enough on the market |
| 15:20.31 | tmccrary | yeah, I mean even a developer unit would be fantastic |
| 15:20.39 | tmccrary | doesn't have to have proper cell phone support either |
| 15:20.49 | tmccrary | just a "fake" implementation of it or something |
| 15:21.16 | jasta | tmccrary: Right, but we have no reason to suspect that will happen, despite how good of an idea you think it is. |
| 15:21.47 | tmccrary | Uhh, yeah I didn't say "I have a feeling it will happen" just that it would be great |
| 15:21.57 | tmccrary | You gotta lay off the coffee my friend |
| 15:22.07 | jasta | Actually, I said we are not expecting it, and neither should you, but you asked why. |
| 15:22.31 | tmccrary | You mean I shouldn't expect google to do things other sensible companies do in the same market? |
| 15:22.40 | tmccrary | That's a pretty mean thing to say about google |
| 15:23.04 | tmccrary | And who exactly is "we" |
| 15:23.06 | jasta | tmccrary: Again, your opinion, however agreeable, does not affect the outcome. |
| 15:23.24 | tmccrary | Who else are you speaking for? |
| 15:23.30 | tmccrary | The "we" people |
| 15:23.35 | jasta | The OHA has committed to 2nd half of '08 for commercial launch and has not one indicated that they would be early, or would have dev handsets. |
| 15:23.49 | jasta | Your acceptance of that fact is irrelevant. |
| 15:24.26 | tmccrary | Ok champ, but "commerical launch" is not the same as "prelaunch developer hardware" |
| 15:24.42 | tmccrary | Again, who is "we"? |
| 15:25.04 | jasta | The folks that are keeping up on official news released by Google regarding Android. |
| 15:25.12 | jasta | i.e., most of the regulars in this channel. |
| 15:25.16 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:25.18 | jasta | and in this community. |
| 15:25.19 | Dougie187 | i would count myself in we |
| 15:25.25 | Dougie187 | champ |
| 15:25.52 | jasta | tmccrary: Like I said, they have also not indicated that there would be dev handsets. Ever. |
| 15:26.05 | jasta | So assuming that they have an ace in the hole is probably going to set you up for disappointment. |
| 15:26.23 | tmccrary | You are a douche, seriously. I asked a simple question and you have managed to piss me off. |
| 15:26.37 | tmccrary | I fear for those who have to live around you |
| 15:26.49 | jasta | Please keep a civil tongue. |
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| 15:27.15 | tmccrary | Whew |
| 15:27.19 | tmccrary | Good thing for that ignore list |
| 15:27.31 | Dougie187 | i dont see why he made you so mad. |
| 15:27.35 | Dougie187 | he was answering your question. |
| 15:27.40 | tmccrary | Whew |
| 15:27.44 | tmccrary | Good thing for that ignore list |
| 15:28.00 | Dougie187 | If you want information about dev handsets talk to plusminus. |
| 15:28.06 | Dougie187 | i do know he recently received something. |
| 15:28.08 | Dougie187 | i dont know how. |
| 15:28.11 | Dougie187 | but he does have something |
| 15:28.29 | jasta | Dougie187: Are you sure he didn't just hack one together from the android-internals list? |
| 15:28.29 | Dougie187 | granted, i think he just ignored me so he doesnt know what i just said. |
| 15:28.38 | Dougie187 | he said he had it sent to him. |
| 15:28.44 | jasta | from Google? |
| 15:28.52 | Dougie187 | he didnt say from who |
| 15:28.57 | Dougie187 | maybe ti? |
| 15:29.00 | Dougie187 | but its a beast. |
| 15:29.08 | Dougie187 | that thing is just about the ugliest thing in the whole world. |
| 15:29.10 | jasta | i would be appalled if one of the OHA members sent him specifically a handset. |
| 15:29.12 | Dougie187 | and it didnt come with android on it |
| 15:29.22 | jasta | oh, well then who cares? :) |
| 15:29.27 | Dougie187 | i wouldnt quite call it a handset.. |
| 15:29.28 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:29.32 | Dougie187 | it looks more like a brick. |
| 15:29.52 | Dougie187 | do you know his site? |
| 15:29.52 | jasta | just about anyone could buy a reference board and put android on it |
| 15:29.52 | jasta | anddev.org? |
| 15:29.52 | Dougie187 | he posted a link to it a while ago. |
| 15:30.11 | Dougie187 | is that his? |
| 15:30.21 | jasta | yeah |
| 15:30.25 | tmccrary | Fantastic, there IS developer hardware |
| 15:30.51 | Dougie187 | Whew |
| 15:30.55 | jasta | hehe |
| 15:31.02 | Dougie187 | thank god for that ignore list |
| 15:32.09 | Dougie187 | i dont know why he has to be such a jerk. |
| 15:32.57 | jasta | meh |
| 15:33.11 | Dougie187 | i bet plusminus probably made the thing. |
| 15:33.21 | Dougie187 | or ordered a dev handset and is putting android on it |
| 15:33.28 | Dougie187 | so its probably not "OHA" Dev hardware |
| 15:33.37 | michaelnovakjr_1 | of course not :) |
| 15:33.49 | Dougie187 | probably just dev hardware he choose to put android on. |
| 15:34.38 | jasta | right, of course you can put Android on existing hardware |
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| 15:34.42 | jasta | if you do it all yourself :) |
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| 15:34.51 | Dougie187 | heh yeah |
| 15:34.57 | jasta | and to my knowledge, none of it works right. |
| 15:35.02 | Dougie187 | which he has threads in his forums dedicated to that. |
| 15:35.05 | michaelnovakjr_1 | and live with the fact its not supported, so when you fuck it up you can't cry to anyone |
| 15:35.10 | jasta | some have no network drivers, some have no touch screen, yada yada |
| 15:35.20 | Dougie187 | yeah. |
| 15:35.39 | jasta | afaik, none of them have an accelerometer |
| 15:35.39 | jasta | or bluetooth working |
| 15:36.09 | Dougie187 | i dont know. |
| 15:36.20 | Dougie187 | im not big into the "black market" of cell developer hardware |
| 15:37.18 | mazzen | i heard that at the end of this year, cellphone with android will be on the market. so android must be released in the next month, or? |
| 15:37.52 | Dougie187 | i heard that as well mazzen. |
| 15:37.58 | jasta | mazzen: the OHA has officially said 2nd half of '08, which ends in late December. |
| 15:38.00 | Dougie187 | i dont know that your conclusion is true. |
| 15:38.26 | jasta | so if they don't have handsets by the end of December, then they are late on their promise. Otherwise, not :) |
| 15:38.33 | mazzen | hehe |
| 15:38.48 | jasta | my bet is they will go as close to the end of 08 as they possibly can ;) |
| 15:38.55 | jasta | without generating bad press, that is |
| 15:38.56 | michaelnovakjr_1 | mazzen, why in the next month?? |
| 15:39.00 | jasta | that's probably November or so |
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| 15:39.19 | mazzen | huh, sry michaelnovakjr i wanted to say month*s* |
| 15:39.21 | mazzen | :) |
| 15:39.30 | michaelnovakjr_1 | android won't be released until its ready for handsets |
| 15:39.43 | michaelnovakjr_1 | what's the point in releasing something that can't be used? |
| 15:39.55 | Dougie187 | but they can also develop a handset without the "release" version of android. |
| 15:40.01 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yes |
| 15:40.04 | tmccrary | It runs on already existing hardware. I already have an android capable device :) :) :) |
| 15:40.17 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i'm sure google is providing pre-release builds to manufacturers |
| 15:40.26 | mazzen | tmccrary: did you compile android for the device yourself? |
| 15:40.32 | Dougie187 | so i was just saying that his conclusion isnt really true. |
| 15:40.33 | tmccrary | I can't believe I didn't think of this earlier |
| 15:40.37 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:41.05 | Dougie187 | me either. |
| 15:41.26 | jasta | mazzen: You cannot compile Android for there is no source. |
| 15:41.48 | tmccrary | I am following a howto: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-n8xx/wiki/Home |
| 15:42.28 | tmccrary | http://code.google.com/p/android-on-n8xx/wiki/Screenshots |
| 15:42.31 | michaelnovakjr_1 | compiling is the act of building source code |
| 15:42.41 | michaelnovakjr_1 | without source code there's nothing to compile :) |
| 15:42.54 | tmccrary | My god |
| 15:43.03 | tmccrary | this channel is filled with pedantic douche bags |
| 15:43.07 | michaelnovakjr_1 | ? |
| 15:43.25 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:43.29 | Dougie187 | i believe there is only one. |
| 15:43.37 | Dougie187 | and his name starts with a t and ends with a y |
| 15:43.46 | michaelnovakjr_1 | dude, you are trying to work with unsupported technology |
| 15:43.58 | Dougie187 | he doesnt understand what people are saying |
| 15:44.03 | michaelnovakjr_1 | doesn't have a clue |
| 15:44.15 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i don't see what is wrong with the emulator |
| 15:44.18 | michaelnovakjr_1 | it works? |
| 15:44.19 | mazzen | jasta: the kernel is available at git.android.com |
| 15:44.32 | tmccrary | For my purposes, the emulator is too slow and crash prone |
| 15:44.32 | michaelnovakjr_1 | that is just the kernel |
| 15:44.34 | mazzen | tmccrary: thanks for that hint. |
| 15:45.04 | tmccrary | Its fine for most simple apps though |
| 15:45.05 | mazzen | tmccrary: is your device a nokia? |
| 15:45.09 | michaelnovakjr_1 | tmccrary, if the emulator is too slow you are probably doing something wrong |
| 15:45.11 | tmccrary | yeah, n810 |
| 15:45.31 | tmccrary | michaelnovakjr_1: No, I am not doing anything wrong I assure you |
| 15:45.50 | jasta | mazzen: yeah, but there is a lot more code beyond the kernel that has no source. |
| 15:45.55 | tmccrary | The emulator does not handle lots of complicated matrix transforms, vector calculations, etc |
| 15:46.01 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i haven't heard any complaints of a slow emulator.... and i have seen some intensive apps |
| 15:46.18 | michaelnovakjr_1 | ?? |
| 15:46.32 | tmccrary | If I explained it to you, you wouldn't understand. |
| 15:46.41 | tmccrary | I'm not working on some silly little text chat applications :) |
| 15:46.41 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:46.44 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i dont think you understand |
| 15:46.58 | mazzen | jasta: if i understand it correctly, you can use the current filesystem from the sdk for the missing part. i hope that is right |
| 15:46.59 | mazzen | ? |
| 15:47.00 | michaelnovakjr_1 | regardless the sdk is the sdk |
| 15:47.15 | michaelnovakjr_1 | whether its run on an emulator or device you are still working with the same sdk interface |
| 15:47.27 | tmccrary | Listen chap, I understand all that |
| 15:47.31 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:47.35 | michaelnovakjr_1 | haha |
| 15:47.38 | Dougie187 | he loves to talk down to people. |
| 15:47.40 | michaelnovakjr_1 | ^^ is this guy for real? |
| 15:47.49 | michaelnovakjr_1 | dude, are you 12? |
| 15:48.08 | tmccrary | Like I said, you would have a tough time understanding what I'm doing |
| 15:48.09 | Dougie187 | i dont know that 12 year olds call people champ. |
| 15:48.18 | Dougie187 | its people who think everyone else is wrong. |
| 15:48.22 | Dougie187 | he is just an arrogant prick. |
| 15:48.24 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i'd love to know what is sooooo complicated it can't run in an emulator..... certainly not something i'd run on my phone |
| 15:49.10 | tmccrary | Like I said before, it doesn't handle a lot of complicated matrix transforms, vector calculations (dot products, cross products, etc) well |
| 15:49.13 | Dougie187 | but michaelnovakjr. its above your head. |
| 15:49.24 | Dougie187 | noone can understand. |
| 15:49.25 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i know... what do i know? |
| 15:49.28 | Dougie187 | only tmccrary |
| 15:49.40 | Dougie187 | he is the only one smart enough. |
| 15:49.41 | davidw | damn I'm tired |
| 15:49.45 | tmccrary | The hardware should be able to handle it better, qemu has problems |
| 15:49.46 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i still would love to know what language these complicated matrix transforms are in |
| 15:49.48 | Dougie187 | just let him turn an n810 into an android device. |
| 15:49.52 | tmccrary | Java |
| 15:50.00 | michaelnovakjr_1 | ok, Java runs on the emulator |
| 15:50.05 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:50.11 | tmccrary | yeah, which is slow |
| 15:50.16 | davidw | tmccrary, the emulator is probably a *bit* slower than real hardware, but not that much |
| 15:50.19 | davidw | it's a phone, not a Cray |
| 15:50.28 | michaelnovakjr_1 | thank you :) |
| 15:50.40 | tmccrary | yeah, because matrix math and vector calculations require a cray |
| 15:50.41 | michaelnovakjr_1 | the phone doesn't have a dual core processor in it buddy |
| 15:50.46 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:50.59 | michaelnovakjr_1 | :) |
| 15:51.00 | Dougie187 | btw, he ignored jasta and i |
| 15:51.04 | michaelnovakjr_1 | haha |
| 15:51.04 | tmccrary | For whatever reason, the emulator sucks at doing this stuff |
| 15:51.08 | Dougie187 | so he doesnt know what we say. |
| 15:51.16 | tmccrary | I'm not the only person who has noticed this |
| 15:51.18 | davidw | tmccrary, well, only you can be the judge of what the limits of your app are, but if it takes 5 minutes to run on the emulator, you're not going to get it down to 5 seconds on real hardware... |
| 15:51.19 | Dougie187 | maybe you should look at your code. |
| 15:51.29 | tmccrary | If you weren't a newb (which you are), you'd know other people have had the same issues |
| 15:51.34 | Dougie187 | haha |
| 15:51.39 | michaelnovakjr_1 | haha |
| 15:51.46 | mazzen | this is really funny here :) |
| 15:51.54 | davidw | tmccrary, so what kind of measurements do you/they have? |
| 15:52.01 | Dougie187 | i cant believe people come into the android irc to get into fights. |
| 15:52.01 | michaelnovakjr_1 | dude you are a moron..... you are completely talking out of your ass |
| 15:52.07 | tmccrary | What do you mean davidw? |
| 15:52.12 | tmccrary | Like performance metrics? |
| 15:52.19 | davidw | tmccrary, yeah |
| 15:52.28 | michaelnovakjr_1 | obviously slow one ;) |
| 15:52.36 | tmccrary | michaelnovakjr_1: Shouldn't you be out studying a hello world app or something? |
| 15:52.42 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:52.45 | davidw | michaelnovakjr, I could see FP or some other thing being a *lot* slower on an emulator |
| 15:52.55 | davidw | especially if there's a bug |
| 15:52.58 | tmccrary | yep |
| 15:53.17 | michaelnovakjr_1 | that still doesn't excuse the fact you are developing for a mobile device |
| 15:53.26 | michaelnovakjr_1 | with a battery and mobile processor |
| 15:53.31 | tmccrary | davidw: I'm dealing with affine spaces in 3d |
| 15:53.39 | michaelnovakjr_1 | for what |
| 15:53.42 | Dougie187 | On android?! |
| 15:53.54 | michaelnovakjr_1 | so you have something to look at as you smoke your brain away? |
| 15:54.01 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 15:54.09 | michaelnovakjr_1 | dude, this is a cell phone |
| 15:54.18 | tmccrary | I can get a approximately 10-20 points projected into space before the emulator becomes unusable slow, stutters and dies |
| 15:54.21 | michaelnovakjr_1 | learn from those enkin guys.... overkill is bad on a phone |
| 15:54.28 | Dougie187 | What is he trying to do? |
| 15:54.30 | tmccrary | Base level android hardware should be able to handle far more than that |
| 15:54.33 | Dougie187 | Affine spaces in 3d? |
| 15:54.38 | tmccrary | I know because I've done it on similar hardware before |
| 15:54.45 | michaelnovakjr_1 | using android? |
| 15:54.51 | Dougie187 | ask him what the point is. |
| 15:54.56 | Dougie187 | since he cant hear me |
| 15:54.58 | tmccrary | cutie, go back to your sandbox or whatever |
| 15:55.02 | michaelnovakjr_1 | dude what is the point of affine spaces in 3d? |
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| 15:55.13 | davidw | tmccrary, did you file a bug report? |
| 15:55.20 | tmccrary | before I have to beat you to death with a clue bat |
| 15:55.21 | davidw | tmccrary, that's the first thing to do |
| 15:55.28 | michaelnovakjr_1 | romainguy_ affine spaces in 3d on android?!? |
| 15:55.36 | Dougie187 | im curious what hes trying to do |
| 15:55.40 | michaelnovakjr_1 | me too |
| 15:55.52 | Dougie187 | davidw can you ask him? |
| 15:55.57 | Dougie187 | since he will respond to you? |
| 15:56.09 | romainguy_ | michaelnovakjr_1: what's the problem with that? |
| 15:56.17 | michaelnovakjr_1 | what's the point? |
| 15:56.24 | tmccrary | michaelnovakjr_1: You're an idiot, I need to ignore you now |
| 15:56.28 | Dougie187 | brb flre alarm |
| 15:56.28 | romainguy_ | do apply 3d transformations? |
| 15:56.32 | michaelnovakjr_1 | you need to get lost |
| 15:56.45 | davidw | romainguy, apparently tmccrary has a problem with the emulator |
| 15:56.53 | michaelnovakjr_1 | this dude says the emulator crashes when doing that |
| 15:56.56 | romainguy_ | -do+to |
| 15:57.04 | michaelnovakjr_1 | and runs slow |
| 15:57.15 | romainguy_ | slow, I can expect that |
| 15:57.18 | romainguy_ | but a crash... |
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| 15:57.25 | romainguy_ | that said without the logs, it's hard to tell what's going on |
| 15:57.26 | michaelnovakjr_1 | the guy's an ass |
| 15:57.55 | michaelnovakjr_1 | and running hacked android on hardware will solve all the problems :) |
| 15:58.07 | michaelnovakjr_1 | some people just don't get it |
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| 15:59.22 | mazzen | have to go, bye to all! |
| 16:00.33 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i am curious if we should expect big code re-writes with the upcoming sdk |
| 16:00.47 | muthu | when's the sdk coming? |
| 16:00.55 | romainguy_ | muthu: when it's released |
| 16:00.58 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i don't believe it has been said |
| 16:00.59 | muthu | hehe |
| 16:01.08 | muthu | romainguy_: you guys never change! |
| 16:01.21 | michaelnovakjr_1 | ^^^ muthu, its a true statement :) |
| 16:01.28 | cutmasta | it seems that every app won which just used the gps stuff |
| 16:01.29 | cutmasta | tzz |
| 16:01.30 | michaelnovakjr_1 | the when it's released that is |
| 16:01.33 | romainguy_ | michaelnovakjr_1: So far I would say you can expect a transition similar from M3 to M5 (I'm just talking about APIs, the UI won't change as much :)) |
| 16:01.41 | cutmasta | the simplest app, but with gps, winner |
| 16:01.42 | cutmasta | hmm |
| 16:01.50 | muthu | goog's get the new sdk by this week |
| 16:01.57 | michaelnovakjr_1 | huh? |
| 16:02.08 | michaelnovakjr_1 | romainguy_ not bad |
| 16:02.14 | muthu | so we can get to work |
| 16:02.18 | tmccrary | cool |
| 16:02.39 | michaelnovakjr_1 | muthu, did your buddy incognito tell you that :) |
| 16:02.43 | cutmasta | muthu, where did you get the info? |
| 16:02.47 | cutmasta | :) |
| 16:02.52 | michaelnovakjr_1 | incognito man |
| 16:02.53 | muthu | where's incognito? |
| 16:02.56 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:02.57 | michaelnovakjr_1 | he's here |
| 16:03.03 | muthu | who's that? |
| 16:03.09 | cutmasta | lol |
| 16:03.17 | muthu | love him |
| 16:03.18 | michaelnovakjr_1 | muthu, he's incognito |
| 16:03.23 | muthu | hehe |
| 16:03.39 | muthu | he's the only one who understood what i said ;) |
| 16:03.42 | Dougie187 | did he ever explain why he was using affine spaces in 3d on a cell phone? |
| 16:03.48 | michaelnovakjr_1 | nope |
| 16:03.56 | Dougie187 | bust,. |
| 16:04.00 | romainguy_ | why wouldn't you? |
| 16:04.07 | Dougie187 | what is a use of it? |
| 16:04.16 | Dougie187 | thats what im curious about. |
| 16:04.29 | romainguy_ | to apply 3d effects? |
| 16:04.35 | Dougie187 | like what? |
| 16:04.36 | romainguy_ | or more precisely 2.5D effects |
| 16:04.41 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i'm curious not so much of why he's using it but why he is crashing an emulator all the time |
| 16:04.50 | romainguy_ | you've seen CoverFlow on iPhone or Mac OS X? |
| 16:04.55 | Dougie187 | yeah. |
| 16:05.03 | romainguy_ | well you could implement it that way |
| 16:05.14 | michaelnovakjr_1 | seems to me like a poor implementation of it, if it is crashing an emulator constantly |
| 16:05.15 | Dougie187 | but woudlnt there be better ways of doing that? |
| 16:05.32 | romainguy_ | you could use OpenGL |
| 16:05.45 | romainguy_ | but that would be a lot of work for a very simple transformation you can easily apply with the 2D API |
| 16:05.57 | romainguy_ | michaelnovakjr_1: I've never seen it crash anything |
| 16:06.05 | michaelnovakjr_1 | that is what i mean |
| 16:06.26 | michaelnovakjr_1 | this guy is complaining about crashes, but yet knows he is coding everything perfect :) |
| 16:06.51 | romainguy_ | well I'd be glad to investigate our code if I could get my hands on the log for the crashes |
| 16:07.09 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i'd be curious to see log files |
| 16:07.27 | Dougie187 | look out romainguy. he is kind of a jerk. |
| 16:07.34 | Dougie187 | he likes to talk down to people a lot. |
| 16:07.45 | michaelnovakjr_1 | maybe there's a while(1) wrapping some matrix transformation :) |
| 16:07.49 | Dougie187 | and i hope you dont mind your name being "Champ" |
| 16:07.53 | michaelnovakjr_1 | haha |
| 16:10.33 | michaelnovakjr_1 | Icahn is making this yahoo situation look interesting |
| 16:11.16 | Dougie187 | oh yeah? |
| 16:12.07 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yep |
| 16:12.29 | Dougie187 | i havent heard anything about it. |
| 16:12.31 | michaelnovakjr_1 | he said he bought 59 million shares of yahoo and called the board irresponsible in regards to the MS problem |
| 16:12.36 | michaelnovakjr_1 | http://blogs.zdnet.com/BTL/?p=8833 |
| 16:13.06 | Dougie187 | man. that guy is ugly. |
| 16:13.20 | michaelnovakjr_1 | haha yea |
| 16:13.45 | michaelnovakjr_1 | he put on pressure during the BEA sale to Oracle |
| 16:14.26 | Dougie187 | thats stupid. |
| 16:14.45 | Dougie187 | he sounds like a douche. |
| 16:14.48 | Dougie187 | i bet hes tmccrary |
| 16:14.48 | michaelnovakjr_1 | http://blogs.zdnet.com/semantic-web/?p=154 |
| 16:14.51 | michaelnovakjr_1 | haha |
| 16:15.04 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yahoo just launched a dev challenge too |
| 16:15.10 | Dougie187 | 10k |
| 16:15.10 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:15.50 | jasta | hehe, it did occur to me way early on in the ADC that winning the $25k was actually more like fair compensation for my work. |
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| 16:16.09 | Dougie187 | I would like to see an issue of the Android developer blog that is the Developers top ADC picks. |
| 16:16.16 | jasta | for the work involved, that's well in line with your average software engineers salary. |
| 16:16.56 | jasta | Dougie187: me too, but i don't know if the marketing dept would be ok with that. |
| 16:16.56 | davidw | jasta, lesson: be the one running the contests, rather than the guy entering them:-> |
| 16:17.23 | jasta | well, $275k and $100k are not well in line... :) |
| 16:17.23 | dmoffett | the fact they are giving you anything is good. It used to be you had to buy the api package and then develop a product. |
| 16:17.26 | romainguy_ | and we don't really have time to look at the 50 apps to choose the one we like best :)) |
| 16:17.36 | Dougie187 | no,. |
| 16:17.40 | Dougie187 | i mean out of the 1788 apps |
| 16:17.41 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:17.43 | Dougie187 | not the top 50 |
| 16:17.46 | romainguy_ | ah well |
| 16:17.49 | romainguy_ | forget it :)) |
| 16:17.53 | Dougie187 | ive already seen the top 50. |
| 16:17.58 | Dougie187 | well |
| 16:17.58 | Dougie187 | 46 |
| 16:18.32 | Dougie187 | im thinking after the ADC is over. |
| 16:18.37 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i think any amount is helpful |
| 16:18.53 | Dougie187 | that way a couple of the apps you guys would like to see could get some attention as well |
| 16:19.43 | davidw | I think they're sick of looking at apps |
| 16:19.49 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yea |
| 16:20.00 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i think the good ones will prevail when the phones are released |
| 16:20.11 | michaelnovakjr_1 | some of the useless junk will be discarded |
| 16:20.18 | davidw | although I think that highlighting a few non winners would probably be one of those "little that goes a long way" things |
| 16:20.19 | Dougie187 | hopefully. |
| 16:20.28 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i would say so |
| 16:20.28 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 16:20.30 | Dougie187 | thats what im saying. |
| 16:21.00 | Dougie187 | because i want to see some different apps. |
| 16:21.32 | Dougie187 | i mean we now have. 4 weather apps, two barcode apps, 6 random apps, and 34 social networking apps. |
| 16:21.41 | davidw | well - there is that directory thing they were talking about, right? |
| 16:21.46 | Dougie187 | ? |
| 16:22.33 | michaelnovakjr_1 | 4 weather apps not including mine? |
| 16:22.34 | jasta | Dougie187: there are even two music apps in there |
| 16:23.24 | Dougie187 | heh my list is a rough representation, but i tried to incorporate them into the random apps because i didnt want to type anymore. |
| 16:23.24 | Dougie187 | and yeah michaelnovakjr i believe not including yours. |
| 16:23.24 | Dougie187 | 3-4 |
| 16:23.24 | Dougie187 | something like that |
| 16:23.24 | Dougie187 | at least 3, but i thought i say another one |
| 16:23.24 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yea, mine's dead |
| 16:23.36 | Dougie187 | saw* |
| 16:25.22 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i still think jasta has the better playr |
| 16:25.39 | jasta | *grin*, thanks |
| 16:25.58 | michaelnovakjr_1 | it'll definitely be replacing my iPod |
| 16:26.08 | Dougie187 | i didnt even understand that diggin could play music from the description. |
| 16:26.19 | jasta | Dougie187: yeah, i only assumed it could |
| 16:26.19 | Dougie187 | i thought it just got album art. |
| 16:26.22 | jasta | because...how stupid if not. |
| 16:26.23 | michaelnovakjr_1 | haha, its a piece of crap |
| 16:26.33 | Dougie187 | and the tunewiki was to get lyrics. |
| 16:26.54 | jasta | i'm sure tunewiki gets album artwork too and stuff |
| 16:26.58 | jasta | my app, btw, gets artist photos as well |
| 16:27.03 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 16:27.03 | jasta | very few music apps do that :) |
| 16:27.11 | Dougie187 | true dat. |
| 16:27.17 | Dougie187 | im just irritated by how many repeats there are. |
| 16:27.19 | jasta | its actually totally cool too |
| 16:27.22 | michaelnovakjr_1 | Five is going to be the most robust music app out there |
| 16:27.25 | jasta | a lot of them ive never seen before |
| 16:27.34 | Dougie187 | but they are all the same app. |
| 16:27.40 | michaelnovakjr_1 | Five will be the android iphone competitor |
| 16:27.42 | Dougie187 | its like 4 apps that repeat over and over again |
| 16:27.56 | Dougie187 | muthu should quote that and put it in a blog thing |
| 16:28.07 | Dougie187 | heres the headline. |
| 16:28.13 | muthu | Dougie187: i'm too busy planning p2 |
| 16:28.17 | muthu | not blogging much |
| 16:28.20 | michaelnovakjr_1 | but with an inspirational twist |
| 16:28.24 | Dougie187 | "Michalenovakjr_1 says "Five will be the android iphone competitor"" |
| 16:28.47 | Dougie187 | and then the text can just simply be |
| 16:28.49 | Dougie187 | "true" |
| 16:29.01 | Dougie187 | there muthu |
| 16:29.03 | michaelnovakjr_1 | with a screenshot, no words necessary |
| 16:29.03 | Dougie187 | i wrote you a post |
| 16:29.38 | jasta | muthu: so, i couldn't help but notice |
| 16:29.38 | muthu | Dougie187: why don't you write for HA? |
| 16:29.40 | jasta | is that your wife in the video? |
| 16:29.58 | muthu | no no no |
| 16:30.00 | Dougie187 | lol i asked if it was his partner. |
| 16:30.06 | Dougie187 | "partner" |
| 16:30.10 | michaelnovakjr_1 | to give it the muthu flare it would have to be ..... "and like rocky the application Five has risen out of the challenge as a true winner..... a success application" |
| 16:30.20 | jasta | ok, because i was actually going to wonder why your wife did not look Indian :) |
| 16:30.21 | Dougie187 | muthu: i dont liek to partake in journalism. |
| 16:30.42 | muthu | mine is an indian |
| 16:30.43 | Dougie187 | Heh |
| 16:30.51 | jasta | muthu: i know, i assumed it would by given your culture |
| 16:31.05 | michaelnovakjr_1 | she's not irish? |
| 16:31.08 | muthu | yeah, but you know people marry who they like now |
| 16:31.17 | Dougie187 | like me. |
| 16:31.20 | Dougie187 | ;) |
| 16:31.24 | jasta | muthu: even in India? |
| 16:31.29 | muthu | oh yeah |
| 16:31.33 | michaelnovakjr_1 | like is an interesting word |
| 16:31.38 | muthu | atleast the urban |
| 16:31.43 | Dougie187 | it is very interesting. |
| 16:31.52 | michaelnovakjr_1 | not sure it applies to marriage :) |
| 16:31.52 | jasta | really? that surprises me. that cultural idea of marrying for status has carried over even among the Indians I know living in Seattle |
| 16:32.03 | michaelnovakjr_1 | in NY too |
| 16:32.06 | muthu | india is a mixed bag |
| 16:32.10 | Dougie187 | i would be confusing as hell to a foreign student. |
| 16:32.13 | muthu | you find everything |
| 16:32.15 | muthu | all extremes |
| 16:32.30 | jasta | also, a lot of men horny for redheads and blondes. |
| 16:32.32 | jasta | ;) |
| 16:32.39 | muthu | oh oh |
| 16:32.47 | muthu | its a universal trait, isn't it? |
| 16:32.56 | jasta | no way, brunettes all the way man |
| 16:32.59 | Dougie187 | thats how she got in the video jasta |
| 16:33.01 | jasta | much sexier look :) |
| 16:33.28 | muthu | women are sexy |
| 16:33.35 | michaelnovakjr_1 | amen |
| 16:33.58 | jasta | i've heard some horror stories from female friends who went to India. The men literally can't deal with seeing an attractive, white woman with blonde hair. |
| 16:34.08 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:34.12 | michaelnovakjr_1 | same here in NY |
| 16:34.17 | michaelnovakjr_1 | :) |
| 16:34.20 | jasta | hehe, yeah :) |
| 16:34.22 | muthu | i told you india has extremes |
| 16:34.25 | Dougie187 | do they like rip off their pants and chase them down the streets? |
| 16:34.27 | muthu | end to end |
| 16:34.58 | jasta | Dougie187: Most recently, my friend was telling me guys would literally find excuses to grope her. Like when standing line they would get way too close to her and touch her hip briefly and stuff |
| 16:35.02 | jasta | she was totally freaked out |
| 16:35.14 | muthu | yeah that will happen |
| 16:35.16 | Dougie187 | i would carry a knife. |
| 16:35.19 | Dougie187 | and 6 guns |
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| 16:35.23 | jasta | her boyfriend was even with her |
| 16:35.33 | Dougie187 | he didnt fight people? |
| 16:35.35 | jasta | and he's a big dude. it seemed men in india did not care about that. |
| 16:35.40 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:35.44 | muthu | you can't fight the crowd |
| 16:35.47 | jasta | well it was like such an unreasonably common thing, it's like what do youdo? |
| 16:35.49 | Dougie187 | they feel its totally worth it |
| 16:36.05 | muthu | i mean everyone suffers |
| 16:36.06 | Dougie187 | not go to india? |
| 16:36.15 | living_sword | lol |
| 16:36.26 | Dougie187 | no offense muthu. |
| 16:36.30 | Dougie187 | i dont think im going to let my wife go there. |
| 16:36.34 | muthu | haha |
| 16:36.44 | muthu | remember, extremes |
| 16:36.50 | muthu | you have good, bad, ugly everything |
| 16:36.54 | Dougie187 | and the extremes are never good. |
| 16:37.14 | muthu | india is complicated |
| 16:37.20 | living_sword | very |
| 16:37.30 | jasta | off to work |
| 16:37.35 | Dougie187 | see ya jasta |
| 16:37.49 | muthu | jasta: say hi to the brunette ;) |
| 16:38.02 | jasta | we have this new chick that started last week from romania |
| 16:38.18 | muthu | so you've been showing her five? |
| 16:38.20 | Dougie187 | and thats the only reason you go to work now? |
| 16:38.22 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:38.24 | jasta | i really dont like to be that creepy guy but my god she is gorgeous |
| 16:38.28 | jasta | one of the most beautiful women ive ever seen |
| 16:38.42 | muthu | let me tell your gf |
| 16:38.46 | michaelnovakjr_1 | have a few of those here :) |
| 16:38.46 | Dougie187 | and... your that creepy guy |
| 16:38.55 | jasta | Dougie187: oh yeah, i knew that would make me be :) |
| 16:38.59 | jasta | but normally, i try not to be hehe |
| 16:39.00 | Dougie187 | hah |
| 16:39.02 | jasta | not this time, wooo! :) |
| 16:39.05 | jasta | anyway, off to work |
| 16:39.14 | michaelnovakjr_1 | if she's like mine... she'll say yea so? tell me something i don't know :) |
| 16:44.22 | cutmasta | bye all |
| 16:44.45 | cutmasta | is away (away) |
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| 17:00.21 | jasta | i don't understand this LiMo thing |
| 17:00.36 | jasta | is it a smartphone platform? is it proprietary or open source? is there a release we can see? |
| 17:01.00 | volmarias | IT IS A MYSTERY! |
| 17:02.42 | living_sword | its just in the air for now |
| 17:03.06 | living_sword | but yeah its a middleware competing with android |
| 17:04.11 | living_sword | and its already out on fones |
| 17:05.46 | Dougie187 | its clever how you spell it fones. |
| 17:05.55 | Dougie187 | ;) |
| 17:07.05 | living_sword | http://developer.att.com/gamescontest |
| 17:07.12 | living_sword | any1 into this |
| 17:07.43 | jasta | living_sword: how can it be both out on phones and up in the air? |
| 17:07.49 | jasta | wouldn't that mean it is currently closed? |
| 17:08.22 | living_sword | its out on fones for the corps. but for us, the sdk is still in the air |
| 17:08.27 | jasta | living_sword: i for one am not out hunting for some new challenge to slave over, thank you very much. |
| 17:08.44 | jasta | google's was more than enough disappointment for me :) |
| 17:11.01 | Dougie187 | lol |
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| 17:19.04 | bstock | so i tried building a kernel for the nokia n810, directions here: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-n8xx/wiki/Home |
| 17:19.41 | bstock | but when it starts building it, it gives an error saying cannot find file asm/arch/memory.h, pastebin here: http://pastebin.ca/1019145 |
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| 17:23.44 | jasta | morrildl: *poke* |
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| 17:28.08 | morrildl | jasta: LiMo is basically a specification for building a set of system libraries intended for use on phones |
| 17:28.21 | morrildl | It's sort of like the LSB except for phones/embedded devices |
| 17:28.24 | jasta | not a particular implementation? |
| 17:28.29 | morrildl | correct |
| 17:28.42 | morrildl | It's a little bit more than the LSB tho, in that they are working on SDKs and so on |
| 17:29.00 | morrildl | but while there will be a set of reference SDKs, there won't be a reference implementation per se |
| 17:29.14 | morrildl | In particular, LiMo currently explicitly disclaims control over the UI |
| 17:29.35 | morrildl | carriers/OEMs are expected to build their own user experience on top of LiMo |
| 17:29.50 | jasta | lol, lame |
| 17:30.16 | morrildl | the analogy I make is that jsut as Red Hat or others can choose KDE or GNOME to put on top of an LSB-compliant distro, so can OEMs/carriers build or choose a UI to put on top of LiMo |
| 17:30.28 | morrildl | jasta: well, I guess I wouldn't call it lame |
| 17:30.41 | morrildl | at least, not any more lame than the LSB is |
| 17:31.31 | morrildl | they're building consensus among phone distro vendors, as opposed to building a product per se |
| 17:31.33 | jasta | i suppose, but it seems unlikely that you'd get anywhere with this as an outside developer |
| 17:31.44 | morrildl | jasta: well, we'll have to wait for their SDK |
| 17:32.02 | morrildl | or, I guess SDKs |
| 17:32.07 | morrildl | IIRC they have 3 coming |
| 17:32.47 | morrildl | Contrast with Android which is^H^H will be a single unified open source project, but that is not a standard per se |
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| 17:36.11 | muthu | morrildl: new sdk? |
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| 17:44.47 | plusminus_ | O_o rly ? |
| 17:44.47 | plusminus_ | *excitement* |
| 17:45.20 | muthu | plusminus_: what are you excited about? |
| 17:46.17 | jasta | muthu: no no, he was saying for LiMo. |
| 17:46.23 | plusminus_ | muthumorrildl: new sdk? |
| 17:46.41 | muthu | morrildl: yet to answer |
| 17:46.45 | muthu | we don't know yet |
| 17:47.00 | plusminus_ | I heard it will have full TTS capability :) |
| 17:47.02 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_1: *poke* |
| 17:47.03 | plusminus_ | just dreaming :( |
| 17:47.41 | muthu | no one knows what's coming in the next sdk |
| 17:48.09 | plusminus_ | any rumours when it will be available ? |
| 17:48.27 | muthu | jasta: any rumours? |
| 17:48.35 | zhobbs` | I was hoping for a release right after the deadline |
| 17:48.38 | jasta | uhh, yeah, next Thursday. |
| 17:48.48 | plusminus_ | unfortunately the code-page still says: "Build m5-rc15g" |
| 17:48.55 | muthu | it has to happen this week |
| 17:49.03 | plusminus_ | so the changes might be not that big |
| 17:49.06 | jasta | muthu: honestly, i thought it would be weeks and weeks ago |
| 17:49.07 | plusminus_ | ^^ |
| 17:49.11 | jasta | so i dont know what is going on. |
| 17:49.17 | muthu | jasta: truw |
| 17:49.18 | muthu | true |
| 17:49.29 | muthu | you've been saying since march |
| 17:49.31 | jasta | i'm wondering now if they really plan to wait for the ADC to be over |
| 17:49.33 | jasta | that would be just awful |
| 17:50.00 | muthu | no way |
| 17:50.35 | zhobbs` | jasta: I think they might |
| 17:50.41 | jasta | zhobbs`: yeah, it's looking like that :( |
| 17:50.52 | jasta | i mean, no one would've predicted they'd wait even this long |
| 17:51.18 | jasta | we can reasonably assume they wont release a new SDK near the June 30th deadlin |
| 17:51.19 | jasta | e |
| 17:51.57 | jasta | and though elsewhere in google they have been futzing with the ADC, the engineering team responsible for the SDK would otherwise be unaffected |
| 17:52.59 | muthu | it might be coming this week |
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| 17:59.34 | michaelnovakjr_1 | they should just release it and leave it up to the developers as to which version they want to use |
| 18:02.06 | plusminus__ | anyone knows anything about a (still alive) TTS-Project ? |
| 18:02.27 | plusminus__ | i've had contact with a guy, but he seems to have dropped his work :( |
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| 18:11.38 | plusminus__ | doesn't seem so |
| 18:16.00 | michaelnovakjr_1 | what is the TTS-Project? |
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| 18:18.00 | plusminus__ | Text To Speech |
| 18:18.35 | michaelnovakjr_1 | was it open source plusminus__? |
| 18:19.17 | plusminus__ | dunno, at leaste he wanted to make it usable by other apps |
| 18:19.27 | plusminus__ | but no sources as far as I know |
| 18:19.58 | plusminus__ | http://www.l1ghtm4n.com/?q=taxonomy/term/5 |
| 18:20.25 | plusminus__ | oh eh planned to open the source after ADC |
| 18:20.55 | muthu | plusminus__: any idea on voice commands? |
| 18:21.05 | plusminus__ | ? |
| 18:21.15 | michaelnovakjr_1 | plusminus__, was it ever demoed? |
| 18:21.16 | plusminus__ | Speech Recognition ? |
| 18:21.23 | muthu | plusminus__: yeah |
| 18:22.04 | plusminus__ | michaelnovakjr_1 dunno, not to me. But he promised to keep me up to date of success on his work |
| 18:22.07 | tale_ | anybody know of a java ocr library that I could use within my android program? |
| 18:22.07 | plusminus__ | ... |
| 18:22.16 | plusminus__ | muthu: Not seen any yet |
| 18:22.22 | muthu | ok |
| 18:22.27 | muthu | wow, the judges list is out |
| 18:22.35 | plusminus__ | ? |
| 18:22.45 | michaelnovakjr_1 | where have you been |
| 18:22.50 | michaelnovakjr_1 | it came out yesterday |
| 18:22.53 | muthu | http://code.google.com/android/adc_judges.html |
| 18:23.19 | michaelnovakjr_1 | :) |
| 18:23.23 | michaelnovakjr_1 | no addresses or ssn's |
| 18:23.27 | michaelnovakjr_1 | :( |
| 18:23.40 | muthu | haha |
| 18:23.47 | muthu | an angry mob is already out |
| 18:24.00 | michaelnovakjr_1 | well, we know who they work for |
| 18:24.05 | michaelnovakjr_1 | :) |
| 18:24.22 | plusminus__ | michaelnovakjr_1 :-D |
| 18:24.49 | michaelnovakjr_1 | now if we find out their scoring cards we'll be all set :) |
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| 18:40.51 | tmccrary | Miguel de icaza? |
| 18:40.55 | tmccrary | What is that idiot doing on there? |
| 18:47.24 | f00f- | googles |
| 18:47.39 | f00f- | wtf |
| 18:47.46 | f00f- | "Miguel has had cameo appearances in the 2001 motion pictures Antitrust and The Code." |
| 18:48.08 | tmccrary | He should have stayed acting, what a massive tool |
| 18:48.32 | f00f- | what is wrong with him |
| 18:49.02 | tmccrary | He promotes microsoft technologies in open source |
| 18:49.04 | tmccrary | he's a leper |
| 18:49.11 | volmarias | ah. |
| 18:50.02 | f00f- | leper con |
| 18:50.19 | tmccrary | nice, lol |
| 18:50.57 | mazzen | irrespective of the fact that this is not true, this is #android or? why is miguel/microsoft discussed? |
| 18:51.10 | volmarias | because he's a judge I guess? |
| 18:51.15 | f00f- | ugh, next topic. |
| 18:52.33 | tmccrary | wow, way to read |
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| 18:54.11 | davanum | i know one guy on that list :) |
| 18:55.09 | michaelnovakjr_1 | what does it matter what is discussed? we spoke about video games for a half hour at one pont |
| 18:55.11 | michaelnovakjr_1 | point |
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| 19:00.43 | muthu | davanum: who's that? |
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| 19:01.19 | michaelnovakjr_1 | incognito muthu |
| 19:01.30 | muthu | ha, incognito |
| 19:01.36 | muthu | michaelnovakjr_1: its you! |
| 19:01.52 | michaelnovakjr_1 | ! |
| 19:02.20 | davanum | muthu: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22Ben+Hyde%22+apache&btnG=Search |
| 19:02.37 | muthu | ok |
| 19:06.10 | f00f- | saw your screenshots muthu |
| 19:06.11 | f00f- | nice |
| 19:06.17 | muthu | f00f-: thanks |
| 19:06.17 | f00f- | whats were you favorites in the slide deck |
| 19:06.34 | muthu | commandro |
| 19:07.32 | f00f- | that's it? |
| 19:07.43 | muthu | and a few others |
| 19:07.48 | muthu | what's yours? |
| 19:08.21 | f00f- | i guess there were a few interesting ones |
| 19:09.13 | muthu | AndroidScan is cool |
| 19:10.05 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i didn't really see much i liked |
| 19:10.15 | michaelnovakjr_1 | the phone book one is cool |
| 19:10.36 | f00f- | a lot of these are novel and nice |
| 19:10.40 | f00f- | but many are just wow factor |
| 19:10.44 | f00f- | and won't be used in the real world |
| 19:10.48 | zhobbs` | Dyno is cool |
| 19:11.00 | zhobbs` | seems really simple, but cool |
| 19:11.06 | michaelnovakjr_1 | yea, I am a practical person .... so if it doesn't do anything useful ... i simply wont use it |
| 19:11.26 | f00f- | gimme a game that i can play for 30 to 90 seconds at a time |
| 19:11.28 | michaelnovakjr_1 | jasta's music app blow's the others out of the water |
| 19:11.28 | f00f- | that's useful |
| 19:11.37 | zhobbs` | I'm a car guy, so I'll use it |
| 19:12.37 | zhobbs` | if I could set the phone up as a camera and then record the video of me driving and save it with synced g-meter graphs, that'd be cool |
| 19:13.30 | michaelnovakjr_1 | if i could record the video of me walking to work, some lonely bald guy sitting in his studio apartment might find it interesting.... he would feel like he's outside :) |
| 19:13.46 | f00f- | loo |
| 19:14.08 | michaelnovakjr_1 | his way of living a new life! |
| 19:14.45 | michaelnovakjr_1 | i'll call it life squared |
| 19:25.59 | tale_ | has anyone heard if there are plans to include a proximity sensor on android phones so that the touch screen won't be disabled when in a phone? |
| 19:26.10 | f00f- | no |
| 19:26.22 | tale_ | so if the phone has a sensor, the touch controls aren't locked |
| 19:26.31 | f00f- | that's up to the manufacturers |
| 19:26.41 | tale_ | well, it looks like the api doesn't support it |
| 19:26.50 | tale_ | at least the emulator doesn't |
| 19:26.52 | f00f- | it's not finalized yet |
| 19:27.02 | f00f- | next sdk will have some goodies |
| 19:27.05 | tale_ | that's what I keep telling myself |
| 19:27.20 | f00f- | just watch and wait :) |
| 19:27.25 | f00f- | aight, imma get some lunch |
| 19:27.35 | tale_ | any idea how long I might have to wait? |
| 19:27.53 | tale_ | it's been a while since the last sdk came out, right? |
| 19:27.53 | michaelnovakjr_1 | tale_ until its released.... |
| 19:28.01 | michaelnovakjr_1 | very long while |
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| 20:06.02 | bstock | hey i'm following a tutorial here: http://code.google.com/p/android-on-n8xx/wiki/Home trying to add busybox ot the emulator and it's telling me 'command adb not found' |
| 20:07.24 | zhobbs` | add the tools folder to your $PATH |
| 20:08.06 | bstock | happen to know where on the emulator's filesystem the tools dir is |
| 20:09.36 | zhobbs` | no, the tools folder for your sdk |
| 20:18.13 | bstock | hmm, if i add the tools dir to my PATH, then the emulator boots up, it won't be able to find the adb path still since it's a new shell... |
| 20:18.36 | bstock | and from inside the emulator's shell it cannot see the sdk's tools dir |
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| 20:19.05 | zhobbs` | right, so you don't need adb once you're in the shell |
| 20:19.22 | zhobbs` | sorry, I missed that you're working on the nokia |
| 20:19.55 | trigatch4 | howdy folks |
| 20:19.57 | bstock | ok the tutorial says start the emulator, then once the emulator is fully running use the adb program to add busybox |
| 20:20.08 | bstock | would i run adb from outside the emulator's shell or inside? |
| 20:20.12 | zhobbs` | outside |
| 20:20.16 | zhobbs` | run on host |
| 20:20.29 | bstock | ok |
| 20:20.32 | zhobbs` | adb push <path to busybox> <path on emulator> |
| 20:21.54 | bstock | sweet there it goes |
| 20:21.54 | bstock | thx |
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| 20:26.10 | bstock | hmm when i try to push the app to the emulator, it skips a bunch of files saying 'skipping special files' |
| 20:28.25 | zhobbs` | don't know about that |
| 20:28.41 | jasta | bstock: do you have a log file somewhere? |
| 20:28.47 | jasta | or rather, can you post one? :) |
| 20:30.48 | bstock | well don't see any logs in /data/logs/ |
| 20:33.51 | jasta | i mean can you just paste what you see to a pastebin or something? |
| 20:33.53 | jasta | and give us some context |
| 20:34.46 | bstock | http://pastebin.ca/1019422 |
| 20:34.52 | bstock | that's what i'm trying to push to the emu |
| 20:35.23 | bstock | it doesn't want to push the folders it looks like |
| 20:36.11 | bstock | wait i think i know what i'm doing wrong. think i have to push the busybox binary not the folder |
| 20:36.48 | bstock | but damn tutorial never said anything about compiling a binary |
| 20:37.11 | jasta | uhh hehe |
| 20:37.17 | jasta | busybox comes as a single binary isntaller initially |
| 20:37.31 | jasta | then you run busybox --install or whatever the switch is to balloon into all the symlinks |
| 20:37.52 | jasta | what you've tried to do is push the entire project directory instead of the compiled binary |
| 20:38.44 | bstock | right, looking at compiling the binary right now |
| 20:38.48 | bstock | stupid tutorial |
| 20:38.57 | bstock | they'd prob say stupid me |
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| 20:39.17 | Lede | did you read it? |
| 20:39.19 | Lede | http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20080515-verizon-picks-linuxbut-not-androidfor-mobile-platform.html |
| 20:39.40 | tmccrary | verizon sucks |
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| 20:40.17 | bstock | all phone carriers suck really |
| 20:40.26 | Lede | vacuum cleaners suck |
| 20:40.37 | tmccrary | verizon is the worst though |
| 20:40.44 | f00f- | only thing MS made that didn't suck was a vacuum cleaner |
| 20:41.01 | zhobbs` | T-mobile sucks...if first android phone is t-mobile that's going to suck |
| 20:41.05 | zhobbs` | they don't even have 3g yet |
| 20:47.47 | Lede | 3g? |
| 20:49.41 | bstock | high-speed internet stuff |
| 20:52.03 | zhobbs` | Lede: yeah, high speed internet in the US |
| 20:53.02 | trigatch4 | Well you can bet the first won't be on Verizon |
| 20:53.10 | trigatch4 | And you can be pretty sure it won't be on AT&T |
| 20:53.22 | trigatch4 | So that leaves you with either T-Mobile or Sprint |
| 20:53.25 | trigatch4 | for the most part |
| 20:53.44 | zhobbs` | sprint phones don't have sim cards, and t-mobile doesn't have 3g |
| 20:53.57 | trigatch4 | To be honest with you, though... if I were Google... I would plan an "Android Day" |
| 20:54.09 | trigatch4 | Where about 10 Android phones came out across the 4 main carriers on one single day |
| 20:54.35 | trigatch4 | That'd be the way to do it... especially if you expect anyone to use any of these "social networking" apps |
| 20:54.52 | trigatch4 | Huge, immediate impact that everyone will be talking about |
| 20:55.04 | trigatch4 | You wouldn't be able to escape |
| 20:55.13 | zhobbs` | trigatch4: no one expects people to use those apps :) |
| 20:55.20 | trigatch4 | hehe |
| 20:55.41 | trigatch4 | ADC judges seem to |
| 20:55.57 | zhobbs` | yep |
| 20:55.59 | trigatch4 | by the way, anybody hear that Facebook banned Google's Friend Connect from accessing their API? |
| 20:56.10 | trigatch4 | social networking wars have officially begun |
| 20:56.15 | zhobbs` | I wish an email client would have won |
| 20:56.25 | zhobbs` | or something boring like that |
| 20:56.29 | zhobbs` | someone people would use |
| 20:56.42 | zhobbs` | but 1/4 of points are for original ideas |
| 20:57.29 | trigatch4 | well zhobbs', i think google expects to release those basic tools themselves, cashing in on contextual advertising within your email client kind of like they do (minimally) on gmail now |
| 20:57.45 | Lede | zhobbs`: oh ok |
| 20:57.52 | trigatch4 | they'll allow email apps but don't want to encourage a competitor out of the gate |
| 20:58.10 | zhobbs` | well...I'm not going to use gmail...or an email client with ads |
| 20:58.12 | trigatch4 | i mean, you have to wonder what apps android handsets will come prepackaged with |
| 20:58.29 | zhobbs` | so we need a strong open source email client or something |
| 20:58.38 | trigatch4 | agreed, that would be nice |
| 20:59.13 | zhobbs` | yeah, I'd assume phone will come with an email client |
| 20:59.13 | trigatch4 | something i've wondered about but have no clue about (since i don't program)... what are the possibilities of virus' on android? |
| 20:59.30 | trigatch4 | could you download a virus to your phone that infects other people's phones because of the open source connectivity? |
| 20:59.50 | f00f- | or just a good freeware client |
| 20:59.57 | f00f- | i dont see why people demand open source so much these days |
| 21:00.07 | f00f- | back in the days of DOS, alnmost everything was freeware |
| 21:00.24 | zhobbs` | trigatch4: well, I don't think open source will make it more prone to viruses |
| 21:00.37 | trigatch4 | well i just mean viruses in general |
| 21:00.45 | trigatch4 | could you download a virus to your android phone? |
| 21:00.55 | zhobbs` | but if the user clicks "yes" at every security prompt he could be in trouble I would assume |
| 21:01.00 | trigatch4 | or is there something inherent in android that blocks/protects against viruses |
| 21:01.56 | trigatch4 | because if not... thats a billion dollar idea right there.... mobile handset virus protection software |
| 21:02.08 | trigatch4 | like mcafee mobile |
| 21:02.11 | zhobbs` | it uses standard linux permissions, but I don't really know much about software security |
| 21:02.12 | f00f- | symantec is already on it |
| 21:02.24 | f00f- | virus protection goes more |
| 21:02.27 | trigatch4 | bastards |
| 21:02.29 | f00f- | it'll be at the kernel level |
| 21:02.29 | trigatch4 | haha jk |
| 21:02.48 | f00f- | but it's really open right now |
| 21:03.01 | f00f- | if you provide a good plugin model for AV vendors to pop in their engines |
| 21:03.05 | f00f- | that is possible, too |
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| 21:04.11 | jasta | zhobbs`: well, honestly, Google is writing lots of apps we haven't seen yet |
| 21:04.21 | jasta | like e-mail, calendar etc |
| 21:04.24 | jasta | i'm sure they're gonna be pretty cool ;) |
| 21:04.30 | f00f- | yah |
| 21:06.42 | jasta | man, i just don't get this SDK delay |
| 21:07.49 | romainguy | :) |
| 21:08.05 | romainguy | no date was ever announced so there's no delay :) |
| 21:09.33 | f00f- | it's coming out in 1-2 weeks |
| 21:10.55 | jasta | f00f-: let's have a lottery pot guessing which day in particular |
| 21:11.02 | romainguy | that's what you guys have been saying for weeks now :) |
| 21:11.39 | jasta | romainguy: do you actually have no idea? does that decision just come down from the powers that be or are you aware of the date? |
| 21:11.59 | romainguy | I cannot answer that question |
| 21:12.10 | jasta | you can't answer whether or not you know? come on, it's just a teaser. |
| 21:12.23 | romainguy | No I cannot answer that question :) |
| 21:12.28 | romainguy | Ask Dan |
| 21:12.32 | f00f- | of course he knows, he sees the flood of mails every morning with executives hounding for a release asap. |
| 21:12.50 | jasta | cries to morrildl |
| 21:13.20 | jasta | starts tinkering with libfuse to distract himself |
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| 22:33.16 | Dougie187 | jola everyone |
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| 23:18.35 | jasta | Dougie187: hello |
| 23:18.53 | jasta | Dougie187: you are a java developer, right? |
| 23:20.27 | Dougie187 | i have written in java bevore |
| 23:20.29 | Dougie187 | before |
| 23:20.43 | jasta | are you planning to write anything for ADC II? |
| 23:20.49 | Dougie187 | yes |
| 23:21.07 | Dougie187 | are you? |
| 23:21.56 | jasta | well, i will resubmit my app of course |
| 23:22.04 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 23:22.10 | Dougie187 | are you looking for more project? |
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| 23:22.18 | jasta | more project? |
| 23:22.21 | Dougie187 | to, increase your chances? |
| 23:22.23 | Dougie187 | more projects. |
| 23:22.24 | Dougie187 | sorry |
| 23:22.28 | jasta | oh, no. |
| 23:22.29 | Dougie187 | poor typing skills tonight |
| 23:22.32 | f00f- | lol |
| 23:22.33 | f00f- | hahahahahaa |
| 23:22.38 | f00f- | "more project" |
| 23:22.42 | Dougie187 | are you looking for assistance? |
| 23:22.49 | jasta | Dougie187: Yes ;) |
| 23:23.00 | Dougie187 | What kinda stuff do you have in mind? |
| 23:23.21 | jasta | nothing in particular at the moment, but i am hoping to have contributors at some point |
| 23:23.29 | Dougie187 | oh |
| 23:23.31 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 23:23.39 | Dougie187 | im down with writing for some other apps |
| 23:23.40 | f00f- | how do you intend to make money jasta? |
| 23:23.54 | Dougie187 | f00f- keep the contributors small. |
| 23:23.56 | f00f- | i remember you saying you wanted to make a break into the mobile industry |
| 23:24.00 | Dougie187 | also, win the big prize |
| 23:24.15 | f00f- | but working for free isn't exactly worth it for a living |
| 23:24.17 | Dougie187 | f00f- you did pednav right? |
| 23:24.22 | f00f- | yeah |
| 23:24.24 | Dougie187 | nice. |
| 23:24.38 | Dougie187 | i think that was one of the few original ideas in the top 50. |
| 23:25.09 | f00f- | oh i'm glad you agree :) |
| 23:25.21 | Dougie187 | i was irritated by most of them |
| 23:25.29 | Dougie187 | and how repetitive the themes were on all of them |
| 23:25.29 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:25.45 | f00f- | but a lot of them do have nice/shiny UI's :P |
| 23:25.49 | Dougie187 | anyways. jasta i would be willing to contribute as soon as i get my laptop back |
| 23:25.55 | Dougie187 | true, but they are all the same thing |
| 23:26.05 | Dougie187 | like theres two freaking barcode scanning things |
| 23:26.08 | Dougie187 | and 3-4 weather apps |
| 23:26.10 | Dougie187 | and 2 music apps |
| 23:26.17 | Dougie187 | and like 20 social networking apps |
| 23:26.19 | f00f- | i was surprised by the simplicity of the weather apps |
| 23:26.25 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 23:26.31 | f00f- | some people took "a new angle on social networking" too far |
| 23:26.33 | f00f- | or too seriously |
| 23:26.36 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 23:26.50 | f00f- | i mean it's good to have it, but don't make it the #1 focus of your app |
| 23:27.16 | jasta | f00f-: i don't intend to make money with Five. |
| 23:27.25 | Dougie187 | totally |
| 23:27.48 | f00f- | jasta: oh so you have some other hidden gems cooking ;) |
| 23:27.56 | jasta | not really |
| 23:28.22 | Dougie187 | i think he just wants to write a good app for android |
| 23:28.34 | jasta | i have two goals running in parallel |
| 23:28.39 | jasta | writing five, and getting a new career :) |
| 23:28.45 | jasta | the two are not directly related ;) |
| 23:29.06 | zhobbs | are they indirectly related? :) |
| 23:29.10 | jasta | yes. ;) |
| 23:29.12 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:29.27 | jasta | but only in the sense that i am getting my feet wet with one so that i bring meaningful experience to the table |
| 23:29.35 | jasta | i take my career very seriously in that way |
| 23:30.10 | Dougie187 | so you could put adc on your resume |
| 23:30.14 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 23:30.33 | jasta | well, that is nice too |
| 23:30.37 | jasta | but really, it's about experience. |
| 23:30.46 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 23:30.56 | zhobbs | it's all about connections |
| 23:31.18 | Dougie187 | do you have the connections? |
| 23:31.19 | jasta | for some without integrity, sure. |
| 23:31.50 | f00f- | sometimes (probably bad) connections outweigh importance of experience |
| 23:31.58 | jasta | some folks are happy to land a job they don't deserve and poorly perform as long as they can keep it up. |
| 23:32.12 | jasta | and i realize that works great for some people, but for me personally i would not do that ;) |
| 23:33.00 | zhobbs | nothing wrong with getting a job you don't deserve and then working really hard and performing well though |
| 23:33.01 | Dougie187 | me either. |
| 23:33.13 | jasta | zhobbs: well sure, but how often does that happen? :) |
| 23:35.54 | jasta | and btw earlier i intended "it's about experience" to mean that my work on Five is about experience. |
| 23:36.08 | jasta | it was not a comment on the job market ;) |
| 23:37.16 | Dougie187 | so what kinda contribution do you need? |
| 23:37.58 | jasta | nothing in particular at the moment, but i mean the project will certainly need help moving forward. |
| 23:38.40 | Dougie187 | true dat. |
| 23:38.44 | Dougie187 | i also want to do that other app |
| 23:38.48 | Dougie187 | the "electric fence" |
| 23:38.48 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:38.59 | Dougie187 | but i think it needs more features. |
| 23:39.04 | Dougie187 | i dont think it could win alone. |
| 23:39.16 | Dougie187 | maybe ill add something with the gps |
| 23:39.26 | jasta | perhaps not, but it would be a better app for users if it was kept small and simple |
| 23:39.43 | Dougie187 | true. i want it to be simple |
| 23:39.56 | Dougie187 | but i just cant think of anymore things to make it a bit more robust. |
| 23:40.01 | jasta | perhaps you could write it not for the ADC but just to exist? :) |
| 23:40.10 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 23:40.11 | jasta | it would be less work that way, since the feature set really is quite well bound |
| 23:40.20 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 23:40.40 | jasta | it's lame that the android calculator project didn't win. |
| 23:40.42 | jasta | that thing looked great. |
| 23:40.48 | Dougie187 | there was one? |
| 23:40.50 | jasta | they added graphing calculator support too |
| 23:40.54 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 23:40.58 | jasta | yeah and it looked nice |
| 23:40.59 | Dougie187 | with symbolic algebra? |
| 23:41.01 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 23:41.02 | jasta | yes |
| 23:41.08 | Dougie187 | and calculus? |
| 23:41.16 | jasta | not demonstrated, but i'm sure it was or will be in there. |
| 23:41.23 | Dougie187 | thats awesome |
| 23:41.40 | jasta | it was clearly written by someone with a strong interest in proper maths. |
| 23:41.56 | f00f- | electric fence .. is like a memory debugger, no? |
| 23:42.00 | f00f- | (the unix app) |
| 23:42.05 | Dougie187 | no. |
| 23:42.07 | Dougie187 | well |
| 23:42.12 | Dougie187 | i dont know if its a real app alreayd |
| 23:42.13 | Dougie187 | already. |
| 23:42.19 | Dougie187 | but the idea is not like a memory debugger |
| 23:42.37 | f00f- | fence in your family (like the austrian case) and keep a leash on them |
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| 23:42.38 | jasta | Dougie187: yes, it is. efence is a C library which triggers fatal errors for otherwise non-fatal but still incorrect usage of memory in C |
| 23:43.01 | jasta | which i'm quite familiar with, and also probably why i even had the phrase in my head in the first place ;) |
| 23:43.14 | f00f- | nice, yeah you're turning out to be quite a C guy |
| 23:43.21 | jasta | turning out to be? |
| 23:43.45 | Dougie187 | C is his fav. |
| 23:43.48 | f00f- | i mean you are one |
| 23:43.53 | Dougie187 | but then again, whos fav isnt C? |
| 23:43.56 | f00f- | used all the tools of the C trade |
| 23:43.56 | jasta | f00f-: the process of you knowing something is not what makes it real :) |
| 23:44.12 | f00f- | hahaha |
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| 23:44.20 | jasta | but yes, i am a real C guy. learned it at 12. |
| 23:44.27 | jasta | used it heavily for 10 years. |
| 23:44.29 | f00f- | one day we will have some excellent quotes from this channel,mostly from jasta :) |
| 23:44.32 | jasta | then discovered beer |
| 23:44.47 | jasta | f00f-: sarcasm? |
| 23:44.47 | f00f- | heh, and we know the rest! |
| 23:44.54 | f00f- | not at all :) |
| 23:45.24 | jasta | oh, then ok :) |
| 23:45.27 | f00f- | Jasta's Book of Axioms: For Android Developers |
| 23:45.43 | romainguy | the question is whether the axioms are wise or not :) |
| 23:46.04 | f00f- | lol |
| 23:46.08 | jasta | by inference, yes. |
| 23:46.09 | jasta | ;) |
| 23:47.48 | Dougie187 | what kinda stuff do you get to do romainguy__? |
| 23:48.05 | jasta | f00f-: It may not surprise you to know that I also have my copy K&R, 2nd edition and a printed and bound copy of the ANSI C standard (C89, in particular) |
| 23:48.25 | romainguy | I work on the Android framework, most of the time on the UI toolkit |
| 23:48.40 | Dougie187 | nice. |
| 23:48.42 | f00f- | i'd love to see a pic of your station at work romainguy |
| 23:48.44 | Dougie187 | do you enjoy it? |
| 23:48.53 | romainguy | f00f-: I can't :) |
| 23:49.07 | romainguy | Dougie187: Yes, I love my job |
| 23:49.11 | morrildl | f00f-: he shares his cube with a couple of his fellow expats, so they call it the French Quarter |
| 23:49.11 | davidw | larry and sergey would parachute out of black helicopters and blow him up |
| 23:49.12 | f00f- | proprietary patent-pending desk arrangement? gotcha :) |
| 23:49.19 | Dougie187 | How long have you worked at google? |
| 23:49.20 | romainguy | morrildl: I have an office :p |
| 23:49.22 | f00f- | morrildl: hahaha, ooh i see how it is! |
| 23:49.23 | romainguy | Dougie187: 1 year |
| 23:49.25 | jasta | morrildl: oh lord no. ;) |
| 23:49.33 | morrildl | romainguy: oh right yeah, that's the other guys :) |
| 23:49.46 | romainguy | morrildl: it's the tools guys who live in the French quarter ^^ |
| 23:49.47 | jasta | hey, morrildl, romain said to harrass you about the SDK |
| 23:49.54 | romainguy | (but there's a French dude in my office) |
| 23:49.56 | jasta | and always one for blindly following orders, when is the next SD?9$ :) |
| 23:49.59 | romainguy | (another one at least) |
| 23:50.01 | jasta | next SDK?* |
| 23:50.12 | morrildl | don't know yet |
| 23:50.15 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 23:50.31 | Dougie187 | Do you guys write apps for android as well? just to test it out? |
| 23:50.34 | davidw | romainguy, did you guys figure out if that tmmcray guy was full of it or not wrt his funky 3d graphics processing? |
| 23:50.44 | morrildl | gotta boogie, folks |
| 23:50.46 | romainguy | I have no idea, he didn't tell me anything |
| 23:50.47 | morrildl | time to go home |
| 23:50.50 | morrildl | catch ya later |
| 23:50.51 | romainguy | morrildl: slacker |
| 23:50.51 | jasta | night |
| 23:50.53 | Dougie187 | it is 5 there. |
| 23:50.54 | davidw | Dougie187, "the weather channel" is really a front for romain and dan |
| 23:50.55 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 23:51.00 | jerkface03 | slack is whack, if you're a teen |
| 23:54.47 | davidw | sleep time for me...ciao |
| 23:54.53 | f00f- | cheers |
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