| 00:13.59 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: sup? |
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| 00:57.19 | jtoy | did people get notified? |
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| 00:58.22 | umdk1d3 | yep i got my email around noonish today ;) |
| 00:58.25 | umdk1d3 | and a phone call too |
| 00:58.48 | jtoy | fuck |
| 00:58.59 | umdk1d3 | you should get an email either way |
| 00:59.09 | umdk1d3 | from what i read on the group |
| 00:59.17 | jtoy | that sucks, |
| 00:59.35 | jtoy | congrats! |
| 00:59.55 | zhobbs | umdk1d3: you got a phone call? |
| 01:00.27 | umdk1d3 | yep, and i hear that some other people did too |
| 01:00.37 | zhobbs | who called? |
| 01:00.44 | f00f- | yeah, the lady from google :D |
| 01:00.48 | umdk1d3 | yep :) |
| 01:00.53 | zhobbs | cool |
| 01:01.02 | f00f- | i was like, wtf, 650 number |
| 01:01.04 | zhobbs | I didn't submit either of mine |
| 01:01.17 | umdk1d3 | f00f-: hehe |
| 01:01.30 | umdk1d3 | yea i got the email on my cell phone while eating lunch |
| 01:01.55 | jtoy | it sats there is a losers form, i didnt get that |
| 01:03.51 | jtoy | did people who didnt win get notified already? |
| 01:03.58 | zhobbs | jtoy: yeah |
| 01:04.12 | jtoy | hmm,i would liek to know why i didnt get anything |
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| 01:14.21 | jtoy | who should I contact if i didnt receive any email form google? |
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| 01:43.58 | jerkface03 | adc2 is open to everyone or just winners? |
| 01:46.56 | f00f- | please qualify |
| 01:47.02 | f00f- | ADC I Phase 2 or ADC II |
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| 01:47.08 | f00f- | ADC II is open to all but winners of ADC I |
| 01:47.22 | jerkface03 | now i'm confused |
| 01:47.38 | jerkface03 | f00f-: where are you getting this info from? |
| 01:47.54 | f00f- | terms & conditions, as well as info here and there |
| 01:48.01 | f00f- | T&C explains a lot if you read it. |
| 01:48.31 | jerkface03 | so what, after phase 2 of adc 1 there's goign to be another adc challenge? |
| 01:49.02 | f00f- | $10 million budget |
| 01:49.12 | f00f- | ADC I is only $5m of prizes |
| 01:49.19 | f00f- | the rest $5m is for ADC II |
| 01:49.21 | f00f- | for later this year |
| 01:49.47 | jerkface03 | thats pretty good then |
| 01:49.57 | jerkface03 | and all the losers like myself can apply to adc2? |
| 01:50.04 | f00f- | yeah |
| 01:50.11 | f00f- | and all the winners, like me, cannot, from what i understand |
| 01:50.17 | jerkface03 | did you win? |
| 01:50.19 | jerkface03 | awesome |
| 01:50.20 | f00f- | yeah |
| 01:50.38 | f00f- | the hardest part for losers, i think is the wait |
| 01:50.39 | f00f- | BUT |
| 01:50.44 | f00f- | i think that's an advantage to beef up their app |
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| 01:50.50 | f00f- | since a lot of new functionality will be available i think |
| 01:50.56 | jerkface03 | werd |
| 01:51.00 | poffy | f00f- what did you make? |
| 01:51.06 | f00f- | especially since phones will be out on a real operator, T-Mobile |
| 01:51.22 | jerkface03 | f00f-: what are you planning to do with the money? |
| 01:51.23 | f00f- | PedNav, you can search for it on www.helloandroid.com |
| 01:51.25 | jerkface03 | porno? |
| 01:51.38 | f00f- | hehe, good business model |
| 01:51.39 | f00f- | porn4mobile |
| 01:51.42 | f00f- | thanks, i'll do that |
| 01:51.53 | f00f- | well, reinvest it into this startup we've created |
| 01:52.01 | poffy | jasta had a really good idea. I'm surprised he didn't win... |
| 01:52.08 | f00f- | not really anything at this time |
| 01:52.14 | f00f- | it'll just sit in a bank account i guess |
| 01:53.12 | jerkface03 | f00f-: anyone else from freenode win other than you, zhobbs, and muthu? |
| 01:53.29 | f00f- | http://www.helloandroid.com/node/430 -- need to upgrade our website (working on it now) |
| 01:53.30 | jerkface03 | i've been away for a while, haven't been keeping up on all the winnings |
| 01:53.38 | jerkface03 | i was too busy pigging out at denny's |
| 01:53.39 | f00f- | not that i know, there were a few others in here |
| 01:53.43 | f00f- | hahaha |
| 01:53.46 | mickrobk_ | jerkface03: i won too |
| 01:53.51 | mickrobk_ | :D |
| 01:53.53 | jerkface03 | mickrobk_: nice, link? |
| 01:54.05 | mickrobk_ | not ready yet unfortunatly |
| 01:54.12 | mickrobk_ | been packing for a trip |
| 01:54.20 | mickrobk_ | it'll be up by monday though |
| 01:54.21 | jtoy | what, losers can apply to second round? |
| 01:54.44 | jerkface03 | mickrobk_: well just give me the jist of what you made? |
| 01:55.00 | mickrobk_ | its a vector based painting program |
| 01:55.31 | jerkface03 | i think i remember |
| 01:55.33 | jtoy | i didnt get any email from google |
| 01:55.35 | jerkface03 | the fingerpainting thingy? |
| 01:55.59 | mickrobk_ | yea |
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| 02:31.38 | chadkouse | zhobbs: There ? |
| 02:38.00 | f00f- | she was like.... |
| 02:38.11 | f00f- | "enjoy your weekend" or thereabouts |
| 02:38.21 | f00f- | heh, i got lots to code |
| 02:38.30 | f00f- | i should have been coding all this time |
| 02:38.32 | chadkouse | stephanie you mean ? |
| 02:38.34 | f00f- | but i will start tomorrow |
| 02:38.34 | f00f- | yeah |
| 02:38.44 | chadkouse | yeah... got that call too - |
| 02:38.48 | chadkouse | congrats! |
| 02:39.09 | f00f- | thx, and to you too |
| 02:39.22 | chadkouse | what's your app ? |
| 02:39.39 | f00f- | PedNav |
| 02:39.47 | f00f- | heh, the PDF they sent back |
| 02:39.55 | f00f- | they kinda reworded what my app was about |
| 02:39.55 | f00f- | lol |
| 02:40.06 | chadkouse | haha -- so now you have your marching orders |
| 02:40.06 | f00f- | so now i have to make sure it actually does those things |
| 02:40.14 | chadkouse | what's pednav -- sounds like a walking GPS app |
| 02:40.22 | f00f- | yeah pretty much |
| 02:40.25 | f00f- | but not really |
| 02:40.29 | f00f- | that is the goal |
| 02:40.36 | f00f- | but right now just it makes an itinerary of things |
| 02:40.47 | f00f- | actually it's a lot of things, need to narrow things down |
| 02:41.08 | chadkouse | well congrats... |
| 02:41.09 | f00f- | we have a theme park example where you tell it what rides you want to go to, when to have lunch, tec. |
| 02:41.14 | f00f- | and it creates an itinerary for the day |
| 02:41.16 | chadkouse | that's a great idea. |
| 02:41.40 | f00f- | what was your app? |
| 02:41.49 | f00f- | i probably asked before, i hate forgetting, but that's me. |
| 02:41.49 | chadkouse | TuneWiki |
| 02:42.04 | chadkouse | joint effort me and zhobbs |
| 02:42.15 | f00f- | ah i saw that on the site |
| 02:42.19 | f00f- | looks pretty useful |
| 02:42.28 | f00f- | perhaps you and jasta could combine resources or ideas :P |
| 02:42.28 | chadkouse | heh. we hope. |
| 02:42.41 | chadkouse | I've been trying! Jasta has his own plans.. |
| 02:42.48 | f00f- | since you're really doing community stuff |
| 02:42.53 | f00f- | and he has a great player and last.fm integration |
| 02:43.27 | f00f- | now if you add some karaoke capabilities, too |
| 02:43.28 | f00f- | that would be rad |
| 02:43.31 | f00f- | instant hit |
| 02:43.43 | chadkouse | EXACTLY |
| 02:43.43 | f00f- | not only in japan/korea, but probably in the US too :P |
| 02:43.45 | chadkouse | tell jasta that! |
| 02:43.52 | chadkouse | I'm trying to get that going ! |
| 02:44.09 | f00f- | are you doing this for free, or do you have a business model in mind? |
| 02:44.44 | f00f- | we're still struggling with a business model for our app, haven't really thought it out yet |
| 02:44.49 | chadkouse | i've already said too much |
| 02:45.03 | chadkouse | how about Location Based ads ? |
| 02:45.08 | chadkouse | "thirsty? click here" |
| 02:45.09 | f00f- | well |
| 02:45.12 | chadkouse | go to local bars |
| 02:45.17 | f00f- | i dont know, it'll really have to be targeted |
| 02:45.24 | chadkouse | yeah that's true. |
| 02:45.24 | f00f- | we're talking GMail-style relevance |
| 02:45.27 | f00f- | that is a big struggle |
| 02:45.37 | f00f- | but there's lots of money to be made in that |
| 02:45.39 | chadkouse | yeah.. |
| 02:45.41 | f00f- | intelligent location based advertising |
| 02:46.02 | chadkouse | raise some money -- you're in the top 50 ! |
| 02:46.29 | chadkouse | get a team |
| 02:46.34 | chadkouse | change the landscape |
| 02:46.53 | f00f- | yup |
| 02:47.44 | chadkouse | time to go from coder to entrepreneur |
| 02:48.00 | f00f- | yeah, it's a big leap imho |
| 02:48.06 | f00f- | i've been to SCORE a couple of times with my team |
| 02:48.07 | chadkouse | oh yeah. I couldnt do it |
| 02:48.24 | chadkouse | hey what is your real name ? |
| 02:48.25 | f00f- | it's *really* helpful to meet with their counselors |
| 02:48.40 | f00f- | and chat with them about your idea |
| 02:48.45 | f00f- | they'll do everything to shoot it down |
| 02:48.58 | f00f- | but that's good, we avoided wastage of time |
| 02:48.59 | chadkouse | heh.. |
| 02:49.05 | f00f- | (for another idea, not our app) |
| 02:49.10 | chadkouse | hahah totally |
| 02:50.00 | chadkouse | are you going to google IO ? |
| 02:50.34 | f00f- | not sure yet... i like free stuff |
| 02:50.46 | chadkouse | tix are $400 -- you should go |
| 02:51.00 | f00f- | but i might have to take a day off |
| 02:51.05 | f00f- | are you? |
| 02:51.11 | chadkouse | definitely! |
| 02:51.17 | f00f- | you're in the area? |
| 02:51.21 | chadkouse | gotta finally mete zhobbs face to face |
| 02:51.25 | chadkouse | no -- Dayton, OH |
| 02:51.27 | f00f- | ooh :D |
| 02:51.31 | f00f- | nice |
| 02:51.36 | f00f- | so how did you choose your team? |
| 02:51.45 | chadkouse | long story... |
| 02:51.51 | f00f- | i don't think i could ever put so much trust into a team that i didn't already know |
| 02:51.54 | chadkouse | tunewiki was around before the adc |
| 02:51.57 | chadkouse | (but not for long) |
| 02:52.01 | f00f- | ah |
| 02:52.18 | chadkouse | well 1 of the guys on our team is from Tel Aviv.. one is from CA, one if from Florida and I'm from OH |
| 02:52.44 | f00f- | Globalization at Work(R) |
| 02:52.50 | chadkouse | yes definitely. |
| 02:53.00 | chadkouse | going to meet up at Google IO ! |
| 02:53.33 | f00f- | i guess i could use a punching bag at Google I/O... someone's gotta pay for the SDK incompatiblities :D |
| 02:54.04 | chadkouse | ok man -- I'll be in touch maybe I'll see you there |
| 02:54.34 | f00f- | do you know anyone from #android who will be there, besides your team and jasta? |
| 02:54.42 | f00f- | and googlers |
| 02:55.01 | chadkouse | no not really |
| 02:55.27 | chadkouse | hoping to change that! |
| 02:55.41 | f00f- | i guess i need to decide which day i want to be there |
| 02:55.53 | f00f- | it would be better if it was Thu/Fri |
| 02:56.10 | chadkouse | tell your boss "do you know who you're dealing with? I'm in the top 50!" |
| 02:57.03 | f00f- | just like i am one of the oceanic eight! |
| 02:57.06 | f00f- | err |
| 02:57.07 | f00f- | *six |
| 03:00.35 | f00f- | i'd want to attend dan's talk on wednesday |
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| 03:05.43 | chadkouse | ok man see you there ;) |
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| 03:20.10 | Dougie187 | hola muthu |
| 03:20.25 | muthu | morning Dougie187 |
| 03:20.34 | Dougie187 | how are you today? |
| 03:20.40 | muthu | pretty good |
| 03:20.45 | duey | did you win muthu |
| 03:20.49 | muthu | duey: yes |
| 03:20.52 | duey | fuck yeah! |
| 03:20.57 | muthu | :) |
| 03:20.59 | duey | good stuff |
| 03:21.05 | muthu | duey: you? |
| 03:21.08 | duey | obvn ot |
| 03:21.14 | Dougie187 | obv not? |
| 03:21.16 | duey | jasta not either :'( |
| 03:21.26 | muthu | yeah jasta is a bit downer |
| 03:21.37 | muthu | i thought he'll win |
| 03:21.59 | muthu | but after zhobbs announced something similar |
| 03:22.30 | muthu | but still i though a couple of media players will win |
| 03:23.04 | duey | you said yours was a cooking app |
| 03:23.08 | duey | what did it do exactly? |
| 03:23.24 | Dougie187 | noone knows |
| 03:23.39 | Dougie187 | its a mystery app |
| 03:23.47 | duey | muthu, no BREAKING NEWS: I WON |
| 03:23.48 | duey | ? |
| 03:23.55 | muthu | duey: no more breaking |
| 03:24.00 | duey | lol |
| 03:24.05 | muthu | will keep quiet for sometime |
| 03:24.10 | muthu | atleast until p2 is over |
| 03:24.15 | duey | fair |
| 03:24.18 | duey | people were asking where you were |
| 03:24.29 | f00f- | muthu |
| 03:24.31 | f00f- | i need your app to go live |
| 03:24.32 | f00f- | thanks. |
| 03:24.45 | muthu | f00f-: sure, it will definitely be on the android phone |
| 03:24.50 | muthu | its so simple, yet useful |
| 03:24.53 | f00f- | no, i need it right now. |
| 03:24.56 | f00f- | this very minute :) |
| 03:25.00 | muthu | haha |
| 03:25.05 | muthu | you know mine is a team right |
| 03:25.10 | muthu | my partner is the brain |
| 03:25.14 | muthu | its hers |
| 03:25.35 | f00f- | waht |
| 03:25.39 | f00f- | so the girl that posted |
| 03:25.42 | f00f- | was your brain? |
| 03:25.42 | muthu | right |
| 03:25.50 | muthu | the whole idea is hers |
| 03:26.00 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr you should play halo with us! |
| 03:26.20 | muthu | michaelnovakjr: did you win? |
| 03:26.38 | Dougie187 | he did not |
| 03:26.39 | muthu | Dougie187: who else won from here? |
| 03:26.47 | Dougie187 | i only know zhobbs and you |
| 03:26.51 | muthu | ok |
| 03:27.16 | f00f- | so you had some surgery to implant her into your brain? |
| 03:27.24 | duey | f00f- won |
| 03:27.39 | muthu | f00f-: congrats, what's your app? |
| 03:27.46 | f00f- | pednav |
| 03:27.58 | muthu | you have link? |
| 03:28.04 | f00f- | it's on helloandroid |
| 03:28.09 | f00f- | website not yet ready |
| 03:28.10 | muthu | oh, cool |
| 03:28.12 | muthu | great |
| 03:29.08 | f00f- | i hate doing HTML layouts |
| 03:29.17 | f00f- | or fixing CSS problems |
| 03:29.19 | muthu | hate design of any kind |
| 03:29.32 | f00f- | if you look at google's cache of pednav.com you'll see what kinds of sites i like |
| 03:29.43 | muthu | haha |
| 03:37.07 | jtoy | i didnt get any notificaiton from google |
| 03:38.14 | duey | jtoy, did yo have any copyright stuff in your app? |
| 03:38.27 | jtoy | no |
| 03:38.32 | duey | checked your spam folder? |
| 03:38.41 | jtoy | yes, im sure i didnt get it |
| 03:39.10 | jtoy | i set up an alias that goes to me and my partner |
| 03:39.16 | jtoy | we both didnt get anything |
| 03:40.14 | duey | i dont know.. |
| 03:41.02 | jtoy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 03:54.20 | jasta | yawn |
| 03:55.09 | michaelnovakjr | hey jasta |
| 03:55.10 | jasta | muthu: i honestly don't consider zhobbs' app "similar" |
| 03:55.47 | muthu | jasta: right, but his late announcement regarding media player was a surprise to me |
| 03:56.14 | jasta | i truly can't get my head around how he scored higher on the 4 criteria: originality, polish and appeal, effective use of android, and indespensability. |
| 03:56.41 | muthu | he would have made it up on other counts |
| 03:56.44 | jasta | i think i just fell through a crack in the judging process |
| 03:56.50 | muthu | jasta: are you continuing 5? |
| 03:56.54 | jasta | muthu: those are the only 4 counts. |
| 03:57.00 | muthu | or looking to join a team? |
| 03:57.03 | jasta | he would have had to score overall higher in all 4, and i can't see how that is possible. |
| 03:57.10 | jasta | overall quite a bit higher, too. |
| 03:57.14 | jasta | since i wasnt in the top 100 |
| 03:57.17 | jasta | and he won in the top 50 |
| 03:57.35 | jasta | muthu: yes, but i'm abandoning the Android part for now, since there is no rush to complete that portion. |
| 03:57.43 | jasta | i will be shifting focus to the desktop component |
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| 03:58.02 | muthu | jasta: cool, we'll meet in I/O |
| 03:58.18 | jasta | so, are you ever going to publish your app? :) |
| 03:58.21 | duey | muthu, you going now ? |
| 03:58.31 | duey | how much is a trip to usa from india? |
| 03:58.34 | muthu | jasta: may 12, it will be published anyways |
| 03:58.41 | muthu | duey: yes, i'll be there |
| 03:58.43 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, you use an iPod right? |
| 03:58.44 | jasta | you're going to let Google get the first press? |
| 03:58.51 | muthu | duey: its all expensive, but need to do it |
| 03:58.54 | jasta | michaelnovakjr: kind of. i used to, but i can't stand it. |
| 03:58.56 | duey | right |
| 03:59.09 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, work with ubuntu? |
| 03:59.25 | jasta | yeah, Rhythmbox supports it, but it has problems all the flippin time |
| 03:59.41 | michaelnovakjr | yea, i always get write permissions errors |
| 03:59.41 | jasta | i've destroyed the iTunes database 4 times now, and had to like redo it all from scratch |
| 04:00.00 | f00f- | oh muthu, you're flying out to the valley? |
| 04:00.08 | muthu | f00f-: yes |
| 04:00.11 | f00f- | nice |
| 04:00.13 | muthu | will be there for IO |
| 04:00.22 | muthu | excited to meet all you folks |
| 04:00.25 | jasta | that's gonna cost like a grand :) |
| 04:00.32 | muthu | jasta: oh yeah |
| 04:00.42 | muthu | my share would be wasted |
| 04:00.53 | muthu | err.. spend useful really |
| 04:01.36 | muthu | if my partner gives me some lodging that would be cool ;) |
| 04:01.42 | muthu | but guess not |
| 04:01.47 | jasta | i think i'm just gonna go get back to work. |
| 04:02.23 | muthu | jasta: we'll talk soon |
| 04:03.08 | jasta | but yeah, the android piece is certainly on pause for now. |
| 04:03.16 | muthu | jasta: cool |
| 04:03.32 | jasta | the launch has got to be at least 5 months out |
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| 04:03.45 | muthu | yeah later part of this year |
| 04:03.48 | jasta | i'd much rather built the desktop component than polish an app i can't even use. |
| 04:03.50 | duey | doesnt know what to do |
| 04:03.57 | jasta | build* |
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| 04:04.07 | duey | i really want a device that i can use |
| 04:05.08 | muthu | hey, are the teams allowed to expand for p2? |
| 04:05.20 | muthu | bring new members? |
| 04:05.35 | f00f- | ADc I.2 ? |
| 04:05.41 | f00f- | i dont believe so |
| 04:05.50 | muthu | f00f-: right |
| 04:05.56 | f00f- | although not sure, depends on what the submit form looks like? |
| 04:05.57 | duey | i dont see why not |
| 04:06.17 | f00f- | similar question, if you want to go from individual -> team |
| 04:06.48 | muthu | me too, guess you can expand your team |
| 04:08.16 | jasta | my guess is you can, but you have to arbitrate the distribution of funds |
| 04:09.05 | muthu | jasta: right |
| 04:09.35 | muthu | if the rules doesn't have a problem, we can see some teams expanding |
| 04:09.49 | jasta | which can get very ugly |
| 04:09.56 | muthu | why? |
| 04:10.09 | jasta | well, just because you have to negotiate what the contribution is worth very clearly |
| 04:10.29 | muthu | yeah, you have a point |
| 04:10.41 | muthu | assuming the teams can sort it out, it would be cool |
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| 04:13.46 | jasta | argh, i am so freaking bummed out today :) |
| 04:13.49 | jasta | it's really hard to write code |
| 04:13.56 | duey | just delete it all in rage |
| 04:14.01 | duey | you can do it |
| 04:14.14 | jasta | it's honestly tough because i was basically a shoe-in |
| 04:14.20 | jasta | i was a shoe-in for the win, and i lost anyway. |
| 04:14.31 | jasta | nobody can figure out how |
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| 04:14.52 | duey | only reason i can think of maybe is judges got confused |
| 04:15.19 | jasta | right, but then they must not have read the README file :\ |
| 04:15.23 | living_sword | i wonder how tunewiki got in |
| 04:15.34 | duey | bribes? |
| 04:15.45 | jasta | my app certainly had successful tests |
| 04:15.51 | jasta | i mean, judges were goin around listening to music, all that |
| 04:15.54 | jasta | i could see it from my server logs |
| 04:16.08 | living_sword | the interface is iphone mockup, idea is a simple port . |
| 04:17.31 | duey | jasta, maybe you were confirmed to be a terrorist? |
| 04:18.06 | jasta | I confirmed with Dan that I wasn't even in the top 100 :( |
| 04:18.14 | jasta | my demolitions background was not even called into question! :) |
| 04:18.14 | duey | w t f |
| 04:18.50 | poffy | jasta, I'm really suprised |
| 04:18.59 | poffy | I really liked the concept for your app |
| 04:19.15 | poffy | I never personally tried it, but I'm sure the implementation was fine |
| 04:20.09 | jasta | yeah, the implementation was solid, it worked just like you'd expect |
| 04:20.10 | jasta | the UI was clean |
| 04:20.13 | jasta | it really did work |
| 04:20.20 | living_sword | depends on what the judges like. if the judge was not a music enthusiast, he would be almost impossible to impress |
| 04:20.31 | duey | yeah |
| 04:20.53 | jasta | well, a music player did win, though. |
| 04:21.05 | jasta | TuneWiki won, so, I dunno. And like I said, I didn't even make top 100. |
| 04:21.16 | jasta | I don't mean to whine, but I think I just got douched. |
| 04:21.28 | jasta | I think I lost by random chance. |
| 04:21.36 | duey | yeah man i agree |
| 04:21.46 | living_sword | tunewiki is just a port. its not even an original concept for android |
| 04:21.54 | zhobbs | living_sword: not really a port though |
| 04:22.03 | jasta | living_sword: Right, so consider this: TuneWiki had to score significantly higher in all 4 of the categories over my app |
| 04:22.10 | jasta | I just can't see how that is possible. |
| 04:22.19 | zhobbs | hehe |
| 04:22.29 | zhobbs | it turned out pretty nice |
| 04:22.38 | jasta | I can't see anyone comparing the two side-by-side and coming to the conclusion that TuneWiki is significantly more polished, original, indispensible, etc. |
| 04:23.14 | jasta | So my only thought was that I lost because they were not compared side-by-side. Different judges means different normalized scores means one app can fare significantly worse than another even when they should at least be on par. |
| 04:23.39 | living_sword | not against any1. just wondering what happened to the originality factor |
| 04:23.41 | jasta | I watched the video for TuneWiki and I thought it looked like a nice, polished media player that I'd be happy to have on a phone. |
| 04:24.14 | jasta | But I don't see it scoring overwhelmingly high on indispensibility or originality. |
| 04:24.18 | duey | jasta, judging like this is generarly unfair anyway - the only way adc would ever be fair is if the same set of judges judged every app - but thats not really realistic |
| 04:24.33 | zhobbs | yeah, it's a nice media player with the twist of the community driven lyric synchronization |
| 04:25.26 | jasta | it's also possible that the judges just felt, without any reasonable technical merit, that my app was impractical to work on a mobile device. |
| 04:25.39 | jasta | they may have just decided that it would be too slow or whatever without any data supporting their assumption. |
| 04:25.58 | zhobbs | jasta: that's what I would assume |
| 04:26.06 | zhobbs | the judges assume that it wouldn't really work |
| 04:26.07 | jasta | which i suppose is their prerogative since there is no data to review. but that's certainly taking a lot of liberty to the 4 judging criterias |
| 04:26.45 | zhobbs | but you know that the judges play with an app for a bit, get an overall feel for how they like and it stick 4 numbers in there |
| 04:26.46 | jasta | the problem, though, is that the ADC II might not see much better results for me. |
| 04:27.00 | zhobbs | jasta: it'll be on a real phone at least |
| 04:27.19 | jasta | granted, physical handsets will exist, and they can test with them, but i have to assume they'll be following similar judging guidelines |
| 04:27.28 | jasta | and so should not find my concept in any higher regard than they did the first time |
| 04:28.26 | jasta | but actually, i would have thought the carriers at least would be excited my app. the basic functionality will require an unlimited data connection |
| 04:28.34 | jasta | by my app* |
| 04:28.41 | jasta | and that means more revenue per user for them |
| 04:28.54 | zhobbs | actually don't they want you to get unlimited but not actually use it? |
| 04:29.03 | jasta | yeah, i suppose that is true :) |
| 04:29.11 | jasta | the greatest profitability comes from data apps that barely do anything |
| 04:29.18 | jasta | like MySpace Mobile and whatever |
| 04:29.23 | zhobbs | yep |
| 04:29.27 | living_sword | after i got the results, i watched this video, and felt better :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V1tXhJniSEc |
| 04:29.54 | zhobbs | enough to force user to have unlimited, but not a hog |
| 04:30.00 | jasta | but anyway, the only way to feel better is to keep coding |
| 04:30.01 | jasta | later |
| 04:30.14 | zhobbs | hehe, sorry about your luck |
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| 04:30.37 | zhobbs | I know you put some sweat and blood into it |
| 04:32.17 | duey | so zhobbs |
| 04:32.24 | duey | got a buying list or you saving it up |
| 04:33.03 | duey | better turn it into gold quick |
| 04:33.12 | duey | will be worth nothing in a year |
| 04:33.14 | living_sword | or oil ! |
| 04:33.26 | duey | oil might be a good one too |
| 04:33.48 | duey | although barrels of oil are harder to store |
| 04:34.29 | zhobbs | heh |
| 04:34.35 | zhobbs | actually... |
| 04:34.42 | zhobbs | I don't get that much from it |
| 04:34.48 | duey | oh? |
| 04:34.50 | duey | group? |
| 04:34.55 | zhobbs | I was hired |
| 04:34.58 | duey | oh |
| 04:34.59 | duey | :( |
| 04:35.04 | living_sword | :| |
| 04:35.11 | zhobbs | So I made most of my money by the hour |
| 04:35.21 | living_sword | but theres the pride |
| 04:35.27 | zhobbs | exactly |
| 04:35.38 | zhobbs | and I'll get like 5k or so of the 25 |
| 04:35.46 | duey | ah ok |
| 04:35.48 | duey | thats still decent |
| 04:35.53 | zhobbs | yeah, for sure |
| 04:36.21 | duey | you might be able to buy 5 oucnes of gold at least |
| 04:36.35 | zhobbs | heh |
| 04:36.52 | zhobbs | going to ask to be paid in euros |
| 04:36.55 | zhobbs | :) |
| 04:36.57 | duey | haha |
| 04:36.58 | duey | nice |
| 04:37.06 | living_sword | i say buy all the gphones u can . |
| 04:37.06 | zhobbs | j/k |
| 04:37.09 | zhobbs | yeah |
| 04:37.15 | duey | living_sword, none? |
| 04:37.38 | living_sword | ? |
| 04:37.38 | duey | i really need a device to continue working on mine |
| 04:37.47 | duey | and there is nothing :( |
| 04:38.28 | living_sword | i think rules and criteria for ADC 2 will change |
| 04:39.32 | living_sword | i hope judges too :) |
| 04:39.38 | duey | lol |
| 04:41.03 | jasta | yeah, really :) |
| 04:41.11 | jasta | i'd like to fire the current judges ;) |
| 04:41.35 | duey | I bet you would :) |
| 04:41.42 | jasta | i'm actually trying to get this server ready to launch so i can put the software in people's hands and let them be the judge ;) |
| 04:41.58 | jasta | i'm so frustrated it's all i can think of to do |
| 04:41.59 | living_sword | well u got SlideME awards |
| 04:42.06 | jasta | what? |
| 04:42.38 | living_sword | slideme.org is having an award for adc loosers |
| 04:42.54 | living_sword | so that the comunity can judge |
| 04:43.09 | jasta | lol really? |
| 04:43.38 | living_sword | theres no prize, its just for visibility |
| 04:44.26 | living_sword | good for showing off ur app |
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| 04:45.26 | living_sword | i hope ADC 2 is tighter. |
| 04:45.26 | jasta | yeah of course, but that's what i'm ultimately after. |
| 04:45.39 | living_sword | yep |
| 04:47.27 | living_sword | some of my hopes r on the oha members response like it said in the mail |
| 04:48.01 | jasta | yeah, i was wondering if that was just to make folks feel better about losing |
| 04:48.11 | duey | yeah |
| 04:48.22 | duey | it could be venture captial stuff which is a bit~~ |
| 04:48.59 | living_sword | i think it will be a contract job |
| 04:49.05 | living_sword | u make app for them |
| 04:49.15 | living_sword | or they buy rights for ur app |
| 04:49.17 | duey | could be |
| 04:49.46 | jasta | i'm not putting a lot of stake in that... |
| 04:49.53 | duey | neither |
| 04:49.59 | jasta | i didn't make it to the top 100, i don't think mine even got attention |
| 04:49.59 | living_sword | me too. |
| 04:50.45 | living_sword | i wonder if my app got thrown out due to copyright issues. |
| 04:51.03 | duey | lol |
| 04:51.05 | living_sword | that would make me kinda winner :) |
| 04:51.16 | jasta | i am wondering how TuneWiki got the rights to distribute lyrics... |
| 04:51.18 | jasta | ;) |
| 04:51.25 | duey | yeah i wondered about that too |
| 04:51.30 | duey | thats a very risky area |
| 04:51.39 | jasta | they claim they got approval from Universal |
| 04:51.52 | jasta | which i find really hard to believe that one of the big 4 would just say "sure, why not?" |
| 04:51.59 | jasta | that's not really their attitude on anything |
| 04:52.03 | living_sword | the owner must be from music industry |
| 04:52.10 | duey | yeah could be an insider |
| 04:53.35 | f00f- | maybe they don't know about it |
| 04:53.38 | f00f- | it's not on their radar |
| 04:53.51 | f00f- | the industry doesn't care until you have an established user base and it is worth suing |
| 04:54.01 | f00f- | you want to wait until you can put a big dent into them |
| 04:54.04 | jasta | well, Google would have certainly investigated that before awarding them the win |
| 04:54.06 | f00f- | (from industry's point of view) |
| 04:54.20 | jasta | the OHA can't promote and distribute an app which violates copyright |
| 04:54.40 | jasta | i believe that they got the right somehow, i just have no idea how |
| 04:54.41 | f00f- | do we know they were distributing actual lyrics with the submission? |
| 04:55.01 | jasta | no, but the apps main feature is that it accesses their server and downloads this stuff |
| 04:55.15 | living_sword | what else does it do except lyrics ? |
| 04:55.20 | jasta | nothing |
| 04:55.23 | living_sword | wow |
| 04:55.24 | jasta | it copies the iPhone, then adds lyrics |
| 04:55.42 | living_sword | way to go Google |
| 04:55.46 | jasta | which is why it's so fucking infuriating that they won over me. |
| 04:57.54 | living_sword | i wish i could use abusive language to comment on this situation, i'll just say its appalling. |
| 04:58.16 | jasta | sorry, i know i don't have a great attitude here ;) |
| 04:58.30 | jasta | i was ok until i found out specifically that TuneWiki won, then i lost it |
| 04:58.53 | living_sword | this situation demands foul language. |
| 04:59.26 | jasta | anyway, i'll be quiet. i actually do want to build up this server part still and release it to the world |
| 04:59.37 | jasta | i'm kind of excited to move away from the android client now |
| 04:59.48 | jasta | and go onto a more practical app i can actually *USE* :) |
| 05:00.09 | living_sword | yep, no more android for atleast a month |
| 05:00.15 | duey | id like to try iphone stuff but it means i need to upgrade to intel macs |
| 05:00.25 | jasta | could be a lot longer for me, i dont anticipate that the desktop client will be a piece of cake. |
| 05:00.28 | jasta | the android client wasn't ;) |
| 05:00.35 | duey | (and acqure an iphone/ipod touch) |
| 05:01.02 | living_sword | yeah, iphone dev requires some investment |
| 05:01.53 | jasta | in other news |
| 05:01.57 | jasta | the minus the bear show last night was amazing |
| 05:02.00 | jasta | they really owned |
| 05:09.23 | living_sword | any1 moving to WM6 ? |
| 05:09.59 | duey | wm6? |
| 05:10.07 | living_sword | windows mobile |
| 05:10.12 | duey | no |
| 05:10.40 | jasta | i already use WM6 |
| 05:11.12 | living_sword | its not much of an eye candy without HTC |
| 05:11.31 | jasta | no, it's a miserable platform |
| 05:11.37 | jasta | very bad |
| 05:12.51 | living_sword | symbian has a contest going on, but u need to be a registered company for that |
| 05:13.11 | jasta | symbian is so lame to develop for |
| 05:14.44 | living_sword | as developers our options r very limited |
| 05:17.12 | living_sword | right now, the brightest point appears to be iphone. |
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| 05:34.01 | jtoy | what is the platform to use for nokia's stuff? |
| 05:34.03 | jtoy | is that any good? |
| 05:38.01 | jasta | nokia uses symbian series 60 |
| 05:38.04 | jasta | and it's *AWFUL* |
| 05:38.07 | jasta | probably the worst of the bunch |
| 05:38.27 | f00f- | depends on what you would like to do... |
| 05:38.49 | f00f- | native Symbian, Java ME, Web Runtime/Widgets, Python, etc. |
| 05:38.52 | f00f- | or even Open C |
| 05:39.11 | f00f- | with nokia you have plenty of runtime choices |
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| 05:40.50 | jasta | i'm spoeaking to native Symbian. |
| 05:40.56 | jasta | speaking* |
| 05:42.13 | f00f- | yeah native is pretty ugly, behind the times |
| 05:49.49 | davidw | I've heard it's a bitch to develop for |
| 05:55.15 | jtoy | so what is the "easiest" platform after android? |
| 05:55.33 | jtoy | easiest also meaning largest distrubition |
| 05:55.36 | jtoy | and not super shitty |
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| 05:59.15 | f00f- | Java ME is shitty, but not super shitty |
| 05:59.24 | f00f- | maybe check out Sprint Titan |
| 05:59.32 | f00f- | but it's pretty limited audience (Sprint devices) |
| 05:59.35 | f00f- | for now at least |
| 06:04.47 | davidw | Java ME is very widely deployed |
| 06:04.58 | davidw | it's kind of shitty, but so is everything else |
| 06:05.32 | jasta | actually, i'd say that Windows Mobile (when using .NET CF2) is next in line |
| 06:05.43 | jasta | but it isn't a close call ;) |
| 06:05.51 | jasta | Android is a clear leader of this pack |
| 06:14.36 | davidw | except that little "no actual phones" thing. I hope they come out more or less on schedule, and that they have a "cunning plan" in terms of the platform not turning into 343243 versions |
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| 06:21.17 | jasta | i think their cunning plan is that manufacturers won't want that, and so won't do that. |
| 06:24.33 | jasta | the community will have little influence on the manufacturers, i think |
| 06:24.39 | jasta | they wont really be that interested in homebrew forks |
| 06:24.55 | jasta | im sure they will be happy to use the cream that floats to the top, but nothing else |
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| 07:18.20 | jasta | well... |
| 07:18.22 | jasta | my server has a UI now |
| 07:18.28 | jasta | that came together quickly :) |
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| 07:20.46 | romainguy__ | :) |
| 07:21.15 | jasta | hey romain |
| 07:21.18 | jasta | is JavaOne all done? |
| 07:21.22 | romainguy__ | yes |
| 07:21.28 | jasta | how was it? |
| 07:21.33 | romainguy__ | great |
| 07:21.40 | romainguy__ | I packed the room for my session |
| 07:21.43 | jasta | you had a talk there, right? |
| 07:21.45 | romainguy__ | 900+ attendees :) |
| 07:21.52 | jasta | impressive |
| 07:22.11 | romainguy__ | it was also interesting to see Sun run a Java FX demo on Android during their keynote... |
| 07:22.36 | romainguy__ | but alas, this JavaOne confirmed my doubt about Java FX |
| 07:22.37 | jasta | yeah, that surprised me. i didn't know Sun had anything going on with Android |
| 07:22.44 | jasta | which is what? |
| 07:22.52 | romainguy__ | which is that it will go nowhere |
| 07:23.01 | romainguy__ | they pulled all the resources form other projects to work on this |
| 07:23.03 | jasta | i don't know much about it, but why? |
| 07:23.16 | romainguy__ | stupid political agendas from two persons |
| 07:23.30 | davidw | interesting |
| 07:23.34 | romainguy__ | totally personal opinion: one is stupid, the other one is an asshole |
| 07:23.59 | davidw | I admit to not having a great 'feel' for JavaFX, but it's a sensation, rather than anything based on concrete facts |
| 07:24.06 | romainguy__ | Adobe already got 2 key members of the Swing team |
| 07:24.13 | romainguy__ | more are seriously considering abandoning ship |
| 07:24.29 | romainguy__ | davidw: I actually happen to be the first Sun employee to have seen Java FX, in 2005 |
| 07:24.41 | romainguy__ | it was a skunkwork project from a Seebeyond employee |
| 07:24.46 | romainguy__ | called Foo at that time |
| 07:25.06 | jasta | so, what are your thoughts on the ADC? :) |
| 07:25.21 | romainguy__ | jasta: I haven't see the results/apps yet :)) |
| 07:25.33 | jasta | ahh, i think its to be announced publicly on Monday |
| 07:25.34 | romainguy__ | I was too busy recovering from a week-long hangover ;-) |
| 07:25.39 | jasta | lol |
| 07:25.53 | jasta | i felt like death on Tuesday |
| 07:26.02 | romainguy__ | (the best thing about JavaOne is the parties at night... 7 nights of free booze...) |
| 07:26.03 | davidw | eheheh, and for nothing at that:-/ |
| 07:26.22 | davidw | I was glad my daughter beat the results in coming out |
| 07:26.39 | romainguy__ | davidw: oh that's right, I forgot, congratulations! |
| 07:26.45 | jasta | romainguy__: i actually lost, which has a lot of people scratching their heads... |
| 07:26.48 | davidw | thanks:-) |
| 07:27.11 | davidw | http://android-developers.blogspot.com/2008/05/android-developer-challenge-round-i.html |
| 07:27.15 | davidw | did you see that, jasta? |
| 07:27.32 | jasta | no, reading... |
| 07:27.33 | davidw | "Many of the top submissions took advantage of the geo and social networking capabilities of Android." |
| 07:27.51 | romainguy__ | jasta: judges were acting as simple users |
| 07:28.03 | davidw | I hope that there is a broader range of things rather than social networks. I expected a few of those, but hopefully there is lots of other good stuff |
| 07:28.20 | jasta | romainguy__: i don't know what you mean by that? |
| 07:28.41 | romainguy__ | jasta: just that because you know people who find your application great doesn't mean it will be the case for everybody |
| 07:29.22 | jasta | right, but in the same capacity the judges cannot speak for a much larger community. |
| 07:29.46 | jasta | i remain confident that my app can find great success in user's hands. assuming that it doesn't destroy the mobile data network :) |
| 07:29.48 | romainguy__ | but did this larger community declared your app better than 1730 others? :) |
| 07:29.55 | romainguy__ | you shouldn't worry about this contest |
| 07:29.58 | davidw | jasta, I think there's a distinct possibility that the set of apps that are popular may not overlap with the set of winning apps, at least in some categories |
| 07:30.16 | romainguy__ | while I understand how it can be frustrating, that won't prevent your app from having success (or not, depending on the app :) |
| 07:30.29 | jasta | yeah, it's just disappointing ;) |
| 07:30.33 | davidw | if I were a judge, I would probably go more for flash and coolness than something handy and pedestrian |
| 07:30.35 | jasta | i thought i was a shoe-in, hehe |
| 07:30.58 | romainguy__ | jasta: :) |
| 07:31.05 | jasta | i thought for sure if i didn't win it would simply be because the judges were turned off by how much i stole the iPhone UI |
| 07:31.16 | romainguy__ | it can be for many reasons |
| 07:31.17 | jasta | but that turned out not to be true at all. another app which blatantly stole the iPhone UI won. |
| 07:31.21 | romainguy__ | maybe they didn't care about a media player |
| 07:31.29 | romainguy__ | maybe they didn't understand the purpose |
| 07:31.30 | jasta | romainguy__: well, another media player did win. |
| 07:31.44 | romainguy__ | jasta: but there were 100 judges... |
| 07:31.48 | davidw | jasta, which one? |
| 07:31.51 | jasta | right |
| 07:31.52 | jasta | davidw: TuneWiki |
| 07:31.55 | davidw | is really curious to see the list |
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| 07:32.03 | jasta | romainguy__: Well anyway, this changes my strategy some moving forward. |
| 07:32.09 | romainguy__ | any contest with judges is obviously unfair to the contestants :) |
| 07:32.16 | jasta | Now that there is no immediate Android pressure, I am pausing that client fo rnow. |
| 07:32.25 | romainguy__ | at least it buys you time :)) |
| 07:32.29 | jasta | I will move onto the desktop client, allowing you to access your music while at work or whatever. |
| 07:32.55 | davidw | huh, interesting |
| 07:32.59 | jasta | So that I can at least get the technology out there now. |
| 07:32.59 | davidw | they have a 'web version' too |
| 07:33.22 | davidw | I did that for my client's app |
| 07:33.43 | davidw | *that* would be a nice app: find a way to make android apps work on the web |
| 07:33.51 | davidw | for demo purposes |
| 07:38.25 | davidw | jasta, I still think that in any case, creating a business around stuff is a better bet than contests |
| 07:38.43 | jasta | well, that depends what your long term goal is. |
| 07:38.47 | davidw | I normally don't participate in them, this one was good because I would have done the Hecl port anyway |
| 07:39.08 | davidw | jasta, well, in terms of money |
| 07:39.11 | jasta | i mean, i don't regard my app as marketable. |
| 07:39.20 | davidw | if it's just to create something cool, you don't need anything |
| 07:39.40 | davidw | jasta, no? I wouldn't be surprised if there were a way |
| 07:39.42 | jasta | then again i never regard any app as marketable. i really don't get business i guess ;) |
| 07:39.52 | davidw | I think that's a mistake too many tech people make |
| 07:40.16 | jasta | i guess there is a partner tie-in with a music distribution system |
| 07:40.22 | jasta | iTunes-style |
| 07:40.38 | jasta | which would work well with my app, since it could just wirelessly sync the purchased music back up to your PC |
| 07:40.39 | davidw | I mean, I'll never be a 'business guy', but understanding more of it has helped me in various ways |
| 07:40.56 | davidw | what's your url again? |
| 07:40.58 | jasta | but meh, i just like to get my software in people's hands. |
| 07:41.09 | jasta | more than making money directly from it |
| 07:41.17 | jasta | davidw: for what? |
| 07:41.21 | davidw | me too, but having money is good too. I'd work on open source stuff 100% of the time if money were no object |
| 07:41.23 | davidw | your app |
| 07:41.30 | jasta | five.googlecode.com |
| 07:42.24 | davidw | jasta, maybe the bits about 'copyright restrictions' scared some people away |
| 07:42.31 | davidw | people are touchy about that stuff these days |
| 07:43.12 | jasta | i am very curious to confirm that TuneWiki is actually in compliance with US copyrights |
| 07:43.35 | davidw | does it just use youtube? |
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| 07:43.43 | varjag | re |
| 07:43.44 | jasta | the team claims that they have the right to distribute Universal music's lyrics, but I have no idea how they would get that permission other than to pay through the nose. |
| 07:44.16 | jasta | davidw: i doubt that it would use youtube for any reason. it just pulls in lyrics for music through a traditional player |
| 07:44.21 | davidw | ah |
| 07:45.17 | davidw | maybe you should have put more visible music in your demo page, too |
| 07:45.31 | jasta | i dont think the judges went to my project page |
| 07:45.35 | jasta | i mean, they had the app in front of them |
| 07:45.37 | davidw | no? |
| 07:45.49 | davidw | I hope they did look some at pages and things |
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| 07:46.08 | davidw | my client's was nice... we have a rails app that can control the phone remotely |
| 07:47.03 | f00f- | your client davidw ? |
| 07:47.06 | jasta | i'm gonna be in a position to release my app (with source) very soon |
| 07:47.09 | f00f- | do you guarantee all your clients that they will win? |
| 07:47.31 | f00f- | i assume you run sort of android/ADC consultancy? :) |
| 07:48.09 | davidw | f00f-, nah, some guy contacted me out of the blue, paid me good money to do an app, and offered to split the winnings in any case |
| 07:48.13 | davidw | it was a sweet deal |
| 07:48.16 | f00f- | nice |
| 07:48.44 | davidw | yeah, it was a stroke of luck... the guy already made his pile elsewhere, had a cool idea for an app, and wanted someone who could hack it together |
| 07:49.05 | davidw | nice guy too, we may continue with the app in any case |
| 07:49.07 | f00f- | and you trusted him? |
| 07:49.11 | f00f- | who submitted the app |
| 07:49.15 | davidw | he did |
| 07:49.45 | davidw | f00f-, the guy wanted to win for the publicity, not for the 25K, which I kind of got wasn't that big a deal for him |
| 07:50.07 | davidw | and he paid me for my work in any case, so I got something out of this whole deal |
| 08:03.13 | f00f- | ah interesting, so i guess it'll work out :) |
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| 10:15.55 | cutmasta | mornin |
| 10:15.59 | cutmasta | congratulations ALL! |
| 10:16.20 | cutmasta | any news about a list of apks which won? |
| 10:27.30 | chomchom | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:27.37 | chomchom | nothing is official yet mind |
| 10:28.15 | chomchom | oh yeah and pointgphone as well |
| 10:28.53 | cutmasta | pointgphone? |
| 10:29.15 | cutmasta | congrats davidw |
| 10:59.13 | Hai-Fai | kinda strange, I didn't get any e-mail neither congratulations or thanks for nothing |
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| 11:20.39 | umdk1d3 | okay so this is interesting |
| 11:20.43 | umdk1d3 | i already signed up for google io |
| 11:20.53 | umdk1d3 | idk if i should ask for the free passes or not |
| 11:22.31 | umdk1d3 | i guess they let you ask for up to 5 |
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| 13:23.47 | davidw | chomchom, cutmasta: I didn't win |
| 13:24.56 | davidw | chomchom, I got a daughter though, which is better:-) |
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| 13:48.46 | ligi | namaskar muthu |
| 13:49.08 | muthu | ligi: halo |
| 13:50.42 | convivial | hi |
| 13:51.02 | ligi | aloha convivial |
| 13:51.10 | convivial | hey |
| 13:51.18 | ligi | convivial: what email did u get? |
| 13:51.21 | convivial | I did not go to sleep last night |
| 13:51.31 | ligi | so you won? |
| 13:51.37 | convivial | won? |
| 13:51.39 | convivial | won what? |
| 13:51.45 | ligi | 25k |
| 13:51.46 | convivial | I never won anything before in my life |
| 13:51.47 | ligi | ^^ |
| 13:51.50 | convivial | heck no! |
| 13:51.52 | ligi | ;-) |
| 13:51.59 | convivial | i never won anything before in my life... |
| 13:52.02 | convivial | have you? |
| 13:52.24 | ligi | no |
| 13:52.38 | ligi | but muthu did |
| 13:52.43 | ligi | ;-) |
| 13:53.19 | ligi | muthu for president |
| 13:53.24 | muthu | haha |
| 13:53.31 | muthu | its a tough job! |
| 13:53.37 | muthu | to please everyone |
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| 13:53.53 | convivial | muthu won the 25ik? |
| 13:53.57 | convivial | I did not even try for it |
| 13:54.03 | convivial | it's blackmail! |
| 13:54.12 | muthu | convivial: yes, team effort |
| 13:54.22 | convivial | muthu: very nice work... |
| 13:54.30 | ligi | teams rock - i was all alone |
| 13:54.44 | muthu | yeah, team work has some positivies |
| 13:54.46 | Kraln | muthu: so I guess you can afford my hosting now, eh =) |
| 13:54.47 | convivial | muthu: will you be on tv and all over the time mag and tech mag? |
| 13:54.53 | muthu | Kraln: yeah sure |
| 13:54.57 | dpino | congratulations muthu! |
| 13:54.58 | Kraln | :-D |
| 13:55.06 | muthu | dpino: thx |
| 13:55.31 | muthu | but you folks must understand its all my partner idea |
| 13:55.32 | dpino | finally your worst predictions didnt become true...hehehe |
| 13:55.33 | muthu | and she owns it |
| 13:55.58 | dpino | i liked the funny mail you send to the android group list |
| 13:55.59 | dpino | xD |
| 13:55.59 | muthu | dpino: wait for more predictions ;) |
| 13:56.06 | Kraln | muthu: which is your program again? |
| 13:56.07 | muthu | haha |
| 13:56.11 | zhobbs | muthu: you guys going to fill the form to disclose the apps info monday? |
| 13:56.16 | muthu | a cooking app |
| 13:56.19 | muthu | zhobbs: yes |
| 13:56.30 | zhobbs | cool, I want a screenshot |
| 13:56.44 | muthu | i can't catch my partner now |
| 13:56.49 | muthu | must be partying ;) |
| 13:57.01 | zhobbs | :) |
| 13:57.13 | dims | muthu: congrats! |
| 13:57.21 | muthu | dims: thanks |
| 13:57.32 | muthu | finally won something! |
| 13:57.33 | convivial | muthu: are you guys going to do well from publicity? |
| 13:57.42 | muthu | convivial: hell yeah |
| 13:57.46 | convivial | nice! |
| 13:57.50 | muthu | and this is something i see in top 20 |
| 13:57.52 | convivial | i'm jealous :) |
| 13:58.18 | muthu | convivial: we all get our chance, don't worry |
| 13:58.28 | convivial | I am still learning android sdk... |
| 13:58.43 | convivial | write now i'm working on DICOM viewer and XML parser |
| 13:58.50 | muthu | cool |
| 13:58.51 | convivial | android uses event parsing *barf* |
| 13:59.02 | convivial | i don't like sax |
| 13:59.19 | muthu | Kraln: when you are going to bill me? |
| 13:59.24 | muthu | haha |
| 13:59.28 | Kraln | muthu: I poked you into pm |
| 13:59.38 | muthu | yeah, the pm thing i can never understand |
| 13:59.53 | zhobbs | muthu: is your nick registered with freenode? |
| 13:59.55 | Kraln | as long as you're identified with nickserv on freenode (are you?) |
| 14:00.00 | muthu | my gmail : muthu.ramadoss@gmail.com |
| 14:00.19 | muthu | Kraln: i gave up on that register thing |
| 14:00.26 | muthu | it says some registered already and so on |
| 14:01.03 | Kraln | muthu: are you logged into google's chat? |
| 14:01.08 | muthu | yes |
| 14:01.10 | convivial | muthu: check to see when it was last used.. |
| 14:01.11 | Kraln | gtalk or whatever |
| 14:01.22 | muthu | Kraln: yeah add me |
| 14:01.22 | Kraln | I'm tehkuja@gmail.com, send me =) |
| 14:01.26 | muthu | ok |
| 14:01.34 | convivial | muthu: if it has been idle for a year you can goto #freenode and request that nick for yourself! |
| 14:02.01 | muthu | convivial: right, but for some reason i'm lazy about that whole register thing |
| 14:02.22 | Kraln | muthu: authorize me? :-D |
| 14:02.36 | muthu | done |
| 14:03.14 | convivial | muthu: if I don't find work in the next couple of weeks can I join your team? |
| 14:03.26 | muthu | sure |
| 14:03.54 | muthu | we are planning phase 2 and that's definitely in the agenda |
| 14:03.59 | convivial | :) |
| 14:04.01 | convivial | great |
| 14:04.13 | convivial | good opportunity for me to learn android api ? |
| 14:04.28 | muthu | haha |
| 14:05.01 | muthu | would love to have jasta on board |
| 14:05.13 | muthu | and a few others if possible |
| 14:05.22 | convivial | muthu: coolies :) |
| 14:05.30 | convivial | can I start today? |
| 14:05.31 | muthu | :) |
| 14:05.42 | muthu | convivial: read up on the sdk |
| 14:05.46 | muthu | ;) |
| 14:06.04 | convivial | k |
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| 17:08.41 | mihoshi | So, when is ADC 2 deadline? |
| 17:10.37 | muthu | jun 30 |
| 17:13.57 | mihoshi | muthu: That's ADC 1, part 2 deadline |
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| 17:36.27 | muthu | mihoshi: yes |
| 17:36.32 | muthu | ADC starts in fall |
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| 17:58.22 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr are you around? |
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| 18:20.15 | ligi_ | muthu: jun 30 iss ADC I Phase 2 not Adc II or am i wrong? |
| 18:22.26 | muthu | ligi_: you are right |
| 18:22.31 | muthu | ADC 2 starts later |
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| 18:24.06 | poffy_ | Unannounced |
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| 18:33.14 | jasta | yawn |
| 18:34.16 | Dougie187 | hows it going jasta? |
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| 18:40.59 | michaelnovakjr | hey jasta? |
| 18:41.47 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr you should get on halo and check out this map i made yesterday |
| 18:41.57 | michaelnovakjr | are you on it now? |
| 18:42.11 | Dougie187 | yup |
| 18:42.23 | michaelnovakjr | i'll come on in two seconds. |
| 18:42.29 | Dougie187 | ok |
| 18:43.35 | michaelnovakjr | just firing back up my streaming music app for xbox360, so i can get my music on it |
| 18:43.44 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 18:43.53 | Dougie187 | im on the phone right now. so my mic wont be on |
| 18:43.56 | michaelnovakjr | ok |
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| 19:07.43 | jasta | Dougie187: fine :) |
| 19:07.55 | jasta | hey, i added a screenshot from my server component last night |
| 19:07.58 | jasta | http://five.googlecode.com |
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| 19:08.16 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 19:10.08 | jasta | yeah, it's pretty sweet :) |
| 19:12.57 | poffy | jasta, once I get an Android phone, I'l defintetly use your program |
| 19:13.19 | jasta | you might get the opportunity to use it before that ;) |
| 19:13.21 | Dougie187 | as will I |
| 19:13.28 | jasta | now that i lost, i am going to start work on the desktop client |
| 19:13.51 | jasta | so you can listen to your music collection at work or wherever |
| 19:14.02 | poffy | It'll be nice to stream my music to whereerver |
| 19:14.52 | jasta | i'm trying to touch up the system as it is now though, so that i can release source |
| 19:15.01 | jasta | i'd like to be able to let folks demo it here pretty soon |
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| 19:27.34 | jasta | man, it's been like a month since i've written Android :) |
| 19:27.42 | convivial | sorry for nick changes was trying to teach someone how to use nickserv. |
| 19:31.08 | tomgibara | Anyone have a clue about what happens if a winning app violates a patent? |
| 19:34.59 | mihoshi | tomgibara: If winning app is disqualified for some reason, then next from top 100 will take place. I remember google saing that somewhere... |
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| 19:36.27 | tomgibara | mihoshi: I understood that to apply before publication of the winners |
| 19:36.48 | mihoshi | Probably |
| 19:37.13 | tomgibara | I'm not sure they could do the same thing afterwards |
| 19:37.46 | tomgibara | For example, the patent holder might not choose to sue |
| 19:38.18 | tomgibara | It all seems very murky to me. |
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| 23:23.40 | morrildl | I should change the topic but I can't think of anything to change it to |
| 23:24.21 | Kraln | morrildl: "cry more" |
| 23:25.01 | morrildl | expects to get Twitter-flamed |
| 23:27.46 | poffy | heh |
| 23:27.57 | poffy | Kraln's suggestion is erfect |
| 23:28.20 | poffy | perfect |
| 23:34.47 | duey | "crying is only a temporary side effect" |
| 23:39.46 | jerkface03 | temporary side effect of what? |
| 23:39.55 | jerkface03 | getting kicked in the crotch |
| 23:39.57 | jerkface03 | ? |
| 23:40.26 | jerkface03 | morrildl: for adc2, can we keep working on our existing apps and resubmit them??? or does it have to be a brand new app? |
| 23:40.37 | jerkface03 | morrildl: also, will the judges be the same? |
| 23:44.29 | morrildl | jerkface03: It's intended to be an improved version of your round 1 submission |
| 23:44.37 | morrildl | jerkface03: no, the judges will be different |
| 23:44.52 | duey | adc2 |
| 23:45.49 | jerkface03 | morrildl: are you talking about phase2 of adc1? i'm talking about adc2. |
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