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| 01:23.46 | Dougie187 | woot. the office is on |
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| 01:29.54 | jjt009 | jasta: yhello? |
| 01:30.21 | jjt009 | anyone here? |
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| 01:30.32 | jjt009 | f00f-: you got server hits? |
| 01:32.00 | f00f- | jjt009: nope, but according to dan the app has been scored. |
| 01:32.35 | f00f- | i might have a clue as to why i have no hits... it could be a firewall misconfiguration, but i won't speculate. |
| 01:32.55 | Dougie187 | just think, you will know if you win on monday |
| 01:32.56 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 01:33.00 | Dougie187 | too many people are freaking paranoid. |
| 01:33.07 | f00f- | exactly... lol |
| 01:33.33 | Dougie187 | noone knows if they are revaluating the apps or not. |
| 01:34.41 | Kraln | I should check my logs. |
| 01:34.43 | jjt009 | exactly my question |
| 01:34.51 | jjt009 | jasta would know |
| 01:34.55 | jjt009 | his server is working |
| 01:35.05 | jjt009 | f00f-: how'd you contact morrill? |
| 01:35.21 | f00f- | good ole email on port 25 ;) |
| 01:35.30 | Kraln | nothing since the 27th. |
| 01:35.30 | Dougie187 | Jasta doesnt know. |
| 01:35.30 | Dougie187 | jasta is just paranoid. |
| 01:35.30 | Dougie187 | afaik he hasnt gotten any hits. |
| 01:35.31 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 01:35.43 | Kraln | I got hit at least twice, on the 25th and the 27th |
| 01:36.01 | jjt009 | yeah, same here |
| 01:36.11 | jjt009 | 27th was the weekend right,? |
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| 01:36.51 | jjt009 | Kraln: so then I think they' |
| 01:36.55 | jjt009 | re not rescoring |
| 01:37.53 | jjt009 | f00f-: did you use email address morrilldl@google.com? |
| 01:38.00 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 01:38.01 | jjt009 | i tried that and i didn't get any response |
| 01:38.01 | Dougie187 | hes in here. |
| 01:38.06 | f00f- | i leeched it off the groups |
| 01:38.08 | f00f- | i think so |
| 01:38.14 | jjt009 | yeah, so did i |
| 01:38.14 | Dougie187 | just try and talk to him in here |
| 01:38.20 | Dougie187 | well not right now at least. |
| 01:38.20 | Dougie187 | usually he is |
| 01:38.24 | f00f- | i sent in plain text |
| 01:38.25 | jjt009 | Dougie187: he never responds |
| 01:38.41 | f00f- | also the domain i sent from has SPF records |
| 01:38.46 | jjt009 | Dougie187: he's not in here now? |
| 01:39.00 | jjt009 | SPF? |
| 01:39.13 | Dougie187 | hes not in here now. |
| 01:39.18 | Dougie187 | but when he is he responds a decent amount of the time |
| 01:39.22 | jjt009 | yeo |
| 01:39.23 | jjt009 | yep |
| 01:39.28 | f00f- | spam fighting stuff |
| 01:39.38 | jjt009 | oh, ok |
| 01:39.42 | jjt009 | yeah, i sent from yahoo |
| 01:39.46 | jjt009 | that should be fine |
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| 03:06.15 | Kraln | the docs for android are much more beginner friendly than the apple ones |
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| 03:14.29 | dmoffett | I am pretty sure Apple never intended to release the sdk. |
| 03:14.52 | dmoffett | Another problem with Apple/NeXT was there was always some good stuff hidden. |
| 03:15.26 | dmoffett | There is no map api right now for Apple either. |
| 03:15.41 | dmoffett | that would whack a hold genre of cools apps. |
| 03:15.58 | Kraln | well |
| 03:16.00 | Kraln | most of it is like |
| 03:16.10 | Kraln | "If you've written stuff for leopard, this will make a lot of sense!" |
| 03:16.22 | Kraln | and I'm like, buhhh |
| 03:16.28 | dmoffett | IB is very cool btw. |
| 03:16.34 | dmoffett | Interface Builder. |
| 03:16.38 | dmoffett | Android needs one. |
| 03:17.39 | Kraln | yeah, that part is cool |
| 03:17.43 | Kraln | but I have no idea how to make use of it |
| 03:18.34 | jjt009 | hmph |
| 03:18.47 | jjt009 | Kraln: still haven't reinstalled the sdk? |
| 03:19.54 | Kraln | jjt009: nop :-D |
| 03:20.02 | Kraln | I grabbed the iphone one though |
| 03:27.42 | dmoffett | IB builder is used to create the interface which is stored in a file which you can load when needed. |
| 03:28.12 | dmoffett | interface == window, button, text fields etc. |
| 03:29.35 | Kraln | yes. |
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| 03:32.17 | dmoffett | Because Objective C has runtime binding you can connect gui elements to methods (actions) and instance variable called outlets. using IB. When the nib file is loaded all the elements are hooked up and you are ready to handle events. |
| 03:33.19 | dmoffett | The funny thing is this tech has been around since the late 80s and still has not really been exceeded for ease of building a gui. |
| 03:33.38 | dmoffett | Hail NeXTStep. :-) |
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| 04:11.12 | muthu | Fri May 2 09:29:52 IST 2008 |
| 04:12.02 | skicson | [yawn] |
| 04:12.03 | Kraln | ? |
| 04:12.24 | skicson | india standard time? |
| 04:12.40 | skicson | :-D |
| 04:15.37 | muthu | morning folks |
| 04:18.43 | muthu | Kraln: hi |
| 04:19.20 | Kraln | hi |
| 04:19.29 | muthu | you know any rule engine in php? |
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| 04:23.32 | muthu | rule engine anyone? |
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| 04:27.30 | Kraln | rule engine? whata? |
| 04:31.51 | muthu | Kraln: you know about drools? |
| 04:32.13 | muthu | surprising not many people have heard about rule engines.. |
| 04:33.04 | f00f- | no |
| 04:33.05 | f00f- | explain |
| 04:33.13 | duey | rule induction? |
| 04:33.15 | duey | data mining? |
| 04:33.24 | muthu | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inference_engine#List_of_Engines |
| 04:33.26 | skicson | business rools |
| 04:33.28 | Kraln | I know what a rule engine is |
| 04:33.32 | skicson | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drools |
| 04:33.36 | Kraln | but apart from that, no idea |
| 04:33.37 | muthu | right |
| 04:33.41 | muthu | so anything in PHP |
| 04:33.43 | muthu | ? |
| 04:34.01 | duey | muthu: do you know what they are used for?? |
| 04:34.16 | duey | because they might not be very useful to you if you knew |
| 04:34.18 | muthu | you can use it for various things |
| 04:34.26 | muthu | duey: why? |
| 04:34.26 | duey | i know what they are, i have written many |
| 04:34.35 | duey | what are you trying to do? |
| 04:34.43 | duey | have you got an example dataset? |
| 04:34.55 | muthu | i'm writing a shopping cart |
| 04:35.12 | duey | ok.. |
| 04:35.35 | muthu | so as the user makes purchase, we recommend stuff |
| 04:35.40 | muthu | how's that for an usecase? |
| 04:35.49 | duey | lol |
| 04:35.53 | muthu | haha |
| 04:36.01 | muthu | duey: any php rule engine? |
| 04:36.07 | duey | it doesnt work like that.. |
| 04:36.20 | muthu | duey: but tell me is there anything in php? |
| 04:36.39 | skicson | http://php.resourceindex.com/Complete_Scripts/Shopping_Carts/ |
| 04:36.41 | duey | are you doing product recommendations? |
| 04:36.45 | muthu | right |
| 04:37.00 | muthu | i'm sure google uses them |
| 04:37.06 | muthu | probably they are using drools |
| 04:37.21 | muthu | skicson: thx |
| 04:37.27 | muthu | but i'm looking for a rule engine |
| 04:39.24 | duey | are you looking for product recommendations? |
| 04:39.28 | duey | or just business logic |
| 04:39.33 | muthu | business logic |
| 04:39.37 | duey | oh ok |
| 04:39.47 | muthu | duey: there are rule engine written for this purpose |
| 04:40.01 | muthu | as i said, they are available for java, ruby etc., |
| 04:40.01 | duey | im thinking machine learning.. |
| 04:40.05 | muthu | but not able to find for PHP |
| 04:40.16 | f00f- | lol, you're writing your own shopping cart? |
| 04:40.27 | f00f- | they are so 2002 :X |
| 04:40.34 | f00f- | you should be able to find a good quality one out there |
| 04:40.46 | muthu | f00f-: i'm looking for a php rule engine |
| 04:41.01 | f00f- | why not write one? |
| 04:41.10 | duey | f00f-: why would you want to use someone elses shopping cart? |
| 04:41.32 | duey | a) they are simple |
| 04:41.34 | f00f- | duey: proven & reliable, why write code again if it's trivial? |
| 04:41.47 | f00f- | provided you can legally do that |
| 04:41.53 | duey | because it doesnt provide a fluid user experience |
| 04:42.09 | muthu | PHP_Jedi: hi |
| 04:42.11 | f00f- | well i'm talking about a cart that integrates nicely |
| 04:42.17 | duey | if you layouts changing from page to page because your taking other systems and plugging them together |
| 04:42.25 | duey | its bad |
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| 04:42.29 | f00f- | i'm talking about a backend more than a frontend =) |
| 04:42.47 | duey | its all dependent on what your doing |
| 04:42.49 | muthu | i'm surprise ruby is so ahead of the curve |
| 04:42.54 | duey | ruby is awful |
| 04:43.02 | muthu | they have a rule engine! |
| 04:43.10 | duey | muthu: what are rule engines used for? |
| 04:43.22 | muthu | duey: heh |
| 04:43.33 | muthu | you thought the product recommendation is a joke? |
| 04:43.40 | muthu | that's a perfect use case duey |
| 04:43.59 | duey | i dont think so |
| 04:44.08 | muthu | yeah right |
| 04:44.16 | duey | because you want product recommendation to evolve and change |
| 04:44.22 | muthu | correct |
| 04:44.27 | muthu | that's my point |
| 04:44.29 | duey | and you want to apply machine learning heuristics to it |
| 04:44.46 | muthu | right |
| 04:44.48 | duey | which is a different problem.. |
| 04:45.12 | muthu | duey: if you recommend me a php rule engine, i'll listen to every word you say |
| 04:45.23 | muthu | now tell me, do you know of any php rule engine? |
| 04:45.25 | duey | no |
| 04:45.32 | muthu | ha, finally |
| 04:45.45 | muthu | a straight answer for a straight question!! |
| 04:45.55 | duey | my approach to product recommendation is different |
| 04:46.08 | muthu | what would be yours? |
| 04:46.39 | duey | you would create a network neighbor hood of some sort of product->order->customer relationships and then apply some form of ml algo with hueristic funcitons to determine if a customer will or will not like the suggested product |
| 04:47.08 | muthu | yeah thats what rule engines are for |
| 04:47.12 | duey | uh |
| 04:47.44 | muthu | duey: your app |
| 04:47.59 | muthu | can i shoot at a random sign, and get it translated? |
| 04:48.06 | duey | not yet |
| 04:48.10 | duey | but yeah thats the idea |
| 04:48.18 | muthu | that would be so useful |
| 04:48.22 | duey | yep |
| 04:48.31 | muthu | great idea.. a sure winner |
| 04:48.39 | muthu | are you confident? |
| 04:48.43 | duey | no |
| 04:48.48 | duey | i sent int a proof of concept |
| 04:48.53 | duey | nothing thancy |
| 04:49.00 | muthu | good idea |
| 04:49.45 | muthu | hey gooooglers, any suggestion for php rule engine? |
| 04:51.56 | muthu | any other google channel? |
| 04:52.06 | muthu | i know only of #google |
| 04:52.14 | f00f- | #gewgle |
| 04:52.22 | muthu | let me try |
| 04:52.55 | muthu | dmoffett is there |
| 04:52.58 | muthu | and then me |
| 04:53.19 | dmoffett | Sorry I thought that was a hyper link. |
| 04:54.00 | muthu | haha |
| 04:54.24 | dmoffett | Don't spend a lot of time using irc. |
| 04:54.57 | muthu | why? |
| 04:55.31 | dmoffett | Guess it just not thought about it much. |
| 04:55.50 | dmoffett | Fun though. |
| 04:56.09 | muthu | if you have work to do, you are better off staying away |
| 04:56.13 | muthu | its like twitter |
| 04:56.14 | duey | riveting. |
| 04:56.22 | muthu | anyone using twitter? |
| 04:56.45 | dmoffett | not much |
| 04:56.52 | duey | never used it |
| 04:57.02 | muthu | you can spend a lot of time doing twitter |
| 04:57.20 | muthu | you can follow and follow and follow... |
| 04:57.23 | duey | looked really stupid |
| 04:57.29 | dmoffett | not big on facebook either. |
| 04:57.51 | muthu | twitter is used in smart ways by smart folks |
| 04:57.52 | dmoffett | there is real power in twitter, in that a group mentality gets going. |
| 04:58.11 | muthu | tools are available, how we use them is upto you |
| 04:58.15 | duey | i have a facebook account never use it though |
| 04:58.27 | dmoffett | think about a large group of people thinking the same thing at the same time. |
| 04:58.39 | dmoffett | High tech riot kind of thing. |
| 04:59.01 | muthu | scoble is a big fan of twitter |
| 04:59.07 | muthu | friendfeed etc., |
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| 04:59.30 | dmoffett | I was thinking about a location based twitter idea that would help find abducted children. |
| 04:59.45 | dmoffett | Apparently the first three hours is key. |
| 04:59.46 | muthu | location based twitter is a great idea |
| 04:59.55 | muthu | and lot of them are doing it |
| 05:00.11 | muthu | dmoffett: that would be a wonderful utility |
| 05:00.32 | dmoffett | As soon as a child goes missing alert all the poeple in the area to be on thier toes. |
| 05:00.53 | dmoffett | Get the kid back soon. |
| 05:01.00 | muthu | exactly.. and since its in your mobile.. the chances are high |
| 05:01.08 | muthu | i was thinking about the same thing |
| 05:01.18 | dmoffett | Looked into Amber alerts and it is pathetic that most states still don't have it in place. |
| 05:01.48 | muthu | dmoffett: you can use it not just for missing kids, but almost anything |
| 05:01.59 | muthu | you raise an alert, and people can react to them |
| 05:01.59 | dmoffett | right. |
| 05:02.12 | muthu | are you working on something like that? |
| 05:02.20 | dmoffett | in my own time. |
| 05:02.31 | muthu | that would be widely adopted |
| 05:03.20 | dmoffett | Well hopefully if I don't get it done someone will. |
| 05:03.27 | muthu | sure thing |
| 05:03.49 | muthu | actually twitter can be used right away |
| 05:04.06 | dmoffett | there is probably something similar already I suspect. |
| 05:04.15 | muthu | its twitter |
| 05:04.18 | muthu | think about it |
| 05:04.26 | muthu | what's stopping twitter from being used in such a way |
| 05:04.39 | dmoffett | Twitter is mostly about following people. |
| 05:04.58 | muthu | right.. and twitter bot can do these alerts |
| 05:05.03 | muthu | so it gets to everyone |
| 05:05.15 | dmoffett | I was thinking of turning it about 20 degrees and following and event. |
| 05:05.25 | dmoffett | so you follow amber allerts. |
| 05:05.46 | dmoffett | if one goes off in your area then you get an message. |
| 05:05.53 | muthu | right, it can be focused to an area |
| 05:06.02 | muthu | so only people in that location is alerted |
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| 05:06.31 | dmoffett | seems to make sense. |
| 05:07.25 | dmoffett | Twitter would work of course but it is not an exact fit. |
| 05:07.42 | dmoffett | and twitter is down quite a bit. |
| 05:08.11 | dmoffett | A good location based twitter on GAE would rock. |
| 05:08.39 | muthu | yeah |
| 05:08.54 | muthu | GAE or whatever on backend |
| 05:09.01 | muthu | but the idea is cool |
| 05:09.36 | dmoffett | Apparently the guys at Twitter are having all kinds of scaling issues. |
| 05:09.43 | dmoffett | ROR implementation. |
| 05:09.46 | muthu | yeah big time |
| 05:09.55 | muthu | everyone knows it |
| 05:09.57 | dmoffett | Rails is slow. |
| 05:10.15 | muthu | the twitter folks raised it very early |
| 05:10.27 | muthu | and am surprised they continued with the same thing |
| 05:10.42 | muthu | they must have switched on to JAVA or something |
| 05:10.58 | dmoffett | Some of them claimed it was not Rails but their design. |
| 05:11.12 | muthu | the rails crowd doesn't listen |
| 05:11.21 | muthu | they beat you on not creating the perfect code |
| 05:11.28 | dmoffett | That is a broad generalization. |
| 05:11.36 | dmoffett | I am a Rail developer. :-) |
| 05:11.44 | muthu | then you must know |
| 05:12.03 | muthu | hope you are not DHH ;) |
| 05:12.04 | dmoffett | sorry I don't follow? |
| 05:12.24 | dmoffett | No I am just a lowly programmer on VizzVox.com |
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| 05:12.53 | muthu | is twitter failing because of rails? |
| 05:14.08 | dmoffett | I don't think so. |
| 05:14.25 | dmoffett | wouldn't you say twitter is growing. |
| 05:14.30 | muthu | the twitter folks themselves said rails doesn't scale |
| 05:14.32 | dmoffett | How they make money is a good question. |
| 05:14.56 | dmoffett | I would like to see that. |
| 05:15.11 | dmoffett | We are thinking of switching to merb. |
| 05:15.18 | muthu | really? why? |
| 05:15.48 | dmoffett | We like Ruby and merb is much faster. |
| 05:15.58 | muthu | ok |
| 05:15.59 | dmoffett | Ruby will get faster as well. |
| 05:16.35 | dmoffett | Looking a GAE as well. |
| 05:16.46 | muthu | GAE is python atm |
| 05:17.05 | dmoffett | Used python prior to Ruby. |
| 05:17.13 | dmoffett | Python is good as well. |
| 05:17.28 | muthu | right |
| 05:17.37 | muthu | there are a lot of good languages |
| 05:17.46 | muthu | choice is good |
| 05:17.51 | dmoffett | imo 6 of one and a half dozen of the other. |
| 05:18.25 | dmoffett | The days of programming in one language all day is probably gone to the few. |
| 05:18.38 | muthu | correct.. it would be mashups |
| 05:19.09 | dmoffett | More fun to be had by all. |
| 05:19.59 | muthu | dmoffett: you submitted the player for vizzvox right |
| 05:20.13 | dmoffett | yes |
| 05:20.41 | muthu | oh yeah remembered |
| 05:22.57 | dmoffett | We are putting it up on a page now so that others can use the VizzVox player for help in their apps. |
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| 05:23.17 | dmoffett | We used the player in the submssion to explain our application. |
| 05:23.38 | muthu | that would be cool |
| 05:23.48 | muthu | every app requires help screen |
| 05:23.55 | muthu | and if we can plugin vizzvox, great |
| 05:24.07 | dmoffett | Others maybe able to use the player to explain how to use the application. |
| 05:24.15 | muthu | correct |
| 05:24.33 | muthu | that would be a great tool |
| 05:25.05 | dmoffett | Hopefully I can put it up once my boss has approved the language. |
| 05:25.39 | muthu | let me know |
| 05:25.40 | muthu | i |
| 05:25.48 | muthu | i'll use that for my help |
| 05:29.25 | dmoffett | Cool |
| 05:30.25 | dmoffett | Here is the tutorial boss put up |
| 05:30.56 | dmoffett | It is a bit more theatrical than I would like but he is the boss. :-) |
| 05:31.00 | dmoffett | http://www.vizzvox.com/stories/7GNQ5s6JXnLNr00fms?locale=en-US |
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| 05:31.59 | dmoffett | That is the last VV plug, I will do. |
| 05:32.31 | muthu | checking.. |
| 05:33.04 | muthu | twitter is so broken, btw |
| 05:33.10 | dmoffett | lol |
| 05:33.19 | dmoffett | We should jump on that so quick. |
| 05:33.26 | f00f- | have you tried jaiku? |
| 05:33.39 | dmoffett | I don't use any of them. |
| 05:33.44 | f00f- | you could say it's twitter 1.5 or 2.0 |
| 05:33.47 | dmoffett | I have played with them but not much. |
| 05:33.56 | dmoffett | Mostly hear about them on twit |
| 05:34.01 | dmoffett | this week in tech. |
| 05:34.10 | dmoffett | podcast. |
| 05:34.25 | muthu | lol.. man thats a demo |
| 05:34.32 | muthu | whatsup with that eeery lady voice? |
| 05:34.45 | dmoffett | Don't ask me that. |
| 05:34.49 | muthu | haha |
| 05:34.59 | muthu | that really freked me out |
| 05:35.05 | dmoffett | to bad. |
| 05:35.09 | dmoffett | for us I guess. |
| 05:35.16 | dmoffett | I would not think it was that bad. |
| 05:35.23 | muthu | not bad |
| 05:35.33 | muthu | taking you for a ride, that's all ;) |
| 05:35.41 | dmoffett | Better than me doing it. |
| 05:35.53 | muthu | but it needs some volume control |
| 05:35.58 | dmoffett | It would sound like Larry the Cable guy. :-) |
| 05:36.02 | muthu | suddenly the female voice is so high |
| 05:36.29 | muthu | is that your boss voice? |
| 05:37.00 | dmoffett | yeah she is one of the professional voice over people. I am just a programmer. This is certainly the wrong crowd for that kind of app. |
| 05:37.10 | dmoffett | The male voice is. |
| 05:37.18 | muthu | ok |
| 05:37.20 | dmoffett | The female is Austrailain. |
| 05:37.27 | muthu | cool |
| 05:38.08 | dmoffett | They let me do voice overs for trailer parks. |
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| 05:41.30 | dmoffett | Muthu: Can you say what app you submitted? |
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| 05:45.40 | muthu | dmoffett: a cooking app |
| 05:47.07 | dmoffett | Cool, I like food. |
| 05:47.37 | muthu | that's the idea |
| 05:47.42 | muthu | everyone wants it |
| 05:49.12 | dmoffett | One of the few good eating places in Montrose, CO, USA is an Indian Restaurant. Not sure if you are Indian but I think that was mentioned a while back. |
| 05:49.15 | dmoffett | Good Night |
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| 05:51.52 | jasta | lame |
| 05:51.54 | duey | http://www.pragprog.com/titles/eband/hello-android |
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| 05:51.56 | duey | sigh |
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| 05:52.09 | jasta | there |
| 05:53.45 | muthu | jasta: hi |
| 05:53.50 | jasta | sup |
| 05:54.05 | muthu | what you are eating? |
| 05:54.21 | jasta | i'm not eating, what do you mean? |
| 05:54.33 | muthu | dinner? |
| 05:54.53 | jasta | for dinner, i had a vegetable stir fry with jasmine rice. if that's what you mean. |
| 05:55.28 | muthu | you made it? |
| 05:55.35 | jasta | my gf did |
| 05:55.41 | muthu | cool |
| 05:57.07 | jasta | my favorite meal, if you're curious, is broiled lemon peppered salmon with mashed potatoes and garlic green beans. |
| 05:57.18 | muthu | hmm yummy |
| 05:57.18 | jasta | my gf's recipe as well |
| 05:57.26 | muthu | salmon.. i'll take it anyday |
| 05:57.52 | muthu | jasta: know any php rule engine? |
| 05:57.56 | jasta | no |
| 05:58.06 | muthu | ok |
| 05:58.22 | muthu | guess there must be something wrong with this combo |
| 05:58.26 | muthu | php + rule engine |
| 06:02.03 | duey | lol |
| 06:02.09 | duey | i think you need to do some research.. |
| 06:02.40 | muthu | duey: yes |
| 06:02.49 | duey | are you sure you dont want http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaborative_filtering |
| 06:02.49 | muthu | we can always use drools |
| 06:03.35 | muthu | that's for rating |
| 06:04.03 | duey | only the slope one algo is for rating |
| 06:04.10 | duey | im more talking about the idea |
| 06:04.35 | muthu | right.. almost every ecommerce site uses them |
| 06:04.39 | duey | you want to recommend products based on other customers purchases and other purchases made by the customer right? |
| 06:05.12 | muthu | yeah thats one of the use case |
| 06:05.55 | duey | i dont think "rule engines" as you refer to them are related |
| 06:06.27 | muthu | rule engines are for abstracting business logic away from code |
| 06:06.34 | duey | yes but recommendations are not business logic |
| 06:06.41 | muthu | a lot of bpm systems use rule engine |
| 06:07.03 | muthu | duey: i'm not saying recommendations are a compelling use case for rule engine |
| 06:07.10 | duey | right |
| 06:07.31 | muthu | its just that you can use rule engines in different ways |
| 06:07.58 | muthu | there's one more thing i'm interested |
| 06:09.30 | muthu | duey: thanks for the CF link |
| 06:10.03 | duey | CF is an area of interest to me |
| 06:10.08 | duey | so thats why im confused |
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| 06:10.19 | muthu | don't confuse it with rule engine |
| 06:10.25 | muthu | they are seperate areas |
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| 06:31.57 | jasta | *phew* |
| 06:32.03 | jasta | just finished working :( |
| 06:32.46 | jasta | apparently when the owner of the company says he has an imperative project that could be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars, it's important that i get it done that day. :\ |
| 06:32.59 | muthu | haha |
| 06:34.38 | umdk1d3 | mmm ~4 days left till winners announced ^.^ |
| 06:36.33 | jasta | exciting times ;) |
| 06:36.47 | jasta | maybe after they announce they'll release the new SDK too :\ |
| 06:37.24 | muthu | waiting for the new SDK for a long time now |
| 06:37.36 | f00f- | oh, you need new features? |
| 06:37.49 | muthu | no, i need new excitement |
| 06:37.56 | muthu | google missed a trick or two here |
| 06:38.11 | romainguy | what did we miss? |
| 06:38.30 | muthu | if the sdk had been released say last week |
| 06:38.38 | f00f- | haha |
| 06:38.41 | muthu | the forums would have been more manageable by now |
| 06:38.55 | f00f- | romainguy is in the right place at the right time :) |
| 06:39.01 | muthu | haha |
| 06:39.11 | romainguy | f00f-: even though I'd like to get some sleep some day :) |
| 06:40.03 | f00f- | that day may be closer than we think! |
| 06:40.19 | muthu | 2008 will be busy for android dev team |
| 06:40.22 | f00f- | muthu: you seem to say thing like "Yes, Google needs to let the participants know their score. Since the judges |
| 06:40.25 | f00f- | have scored the 1788 applications it only makes sense to disclose this |
| 06:40.26 | muthu | since there's so much to do |
| 06:40.27 | f00f- | information to the participants. " |
| 06:40.30 | f00f- | and it will probably come true :) |
| 06:40.45 | muthu | f00f-: don't you think so? |
| 06:40.47 | romainguy | muthu: I didn't notice :)) |
| 06:40.59 | muthu | romainguy_: haha |
| 06:41.20 | muthu | romainguy_: you'll be busy this year.. no time to sleep. take it from me :-) |
| 06:42.04 | romainguy | muthu: I'm glad you're here to tell me that |
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| 06:42.34 | muthu | romainguy_: isn't it obivious? |
| 06:42.43 | f00f- | i hope you guys get vacation at google |
| 06:42.46 | muthu | i'm kidding.. hope you get some rest |
| 06:42.48 | romainguy | I'm being sarcastic muthu |
| 06:42.59 | muthu | romainguy_: i know |
| 06:43.01 | umdk1d3 | so have many ppl talked about getting together at google io later this month? |
| 06:43.17 | romainguy | f00f-: I'm going on vacation at the end of the month |
| 06:43.18 | jerkface03 | f00f-: i hear google is worse than a nike childlabour factory |
| 06:43.26 | f00f- | ouch |
| 06:43.33 | duey | i dont think its that bad :| |
| 06:43.43 | romainguy | lol |
| 06:43.43 | jerkface03 | f00f-: if you ask for a vacation they beat you with sticks |
| 06:43.46 | f00f- | romainguy: nice. some place exotic? |
| 06:43.53 | romainguy | f00f-: France, home :) |
| 06:44.13 | f00f- | ah, exotic enough :) |
| 06:44.27 | romainguy | it will be for my girlfriend :) |
| 06:45.16 | muthu | google is a nice place to work straight out of college |
| 06:45.27 | jerkface03 | why? because they beat you with sticks? |
| 06:45.31 | muthu | haha |
| 06:45.33 | jerkface03 | :) |
| 06:45.38 | f00f- | muthu: you said you used to work at MSFT? |
| 06:45.46 | muthu | f00f-: no |
| 06:45.49 | muthu | i didn't say that |
| 06:46.04 | f00f- | perhaps i was dreaming then |
| 06:46.07 | muthu | the only big company i worked was mci-worldcom |
| 06:46.29 | muthu | then its all startups and smaller ones |
| 06:46.34 | f00f- | ah, they are still alive last i checked |
| 06:46.43 | muthu | haha |
| 06:47.35 | muthu | i graduated 97 |
| 06:47.49 | muthu | could've worked for google, yahoo, ebay, etc., |
| 06:47.53 | muthu | if only i had brains!! |
| 06:48.08 | f00f- | well this is the year of our bubble... |
| 06:48.14 | muthu | right |
| 06:48.20 | f00f- | android/mobile bubble |
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| 06:48.28 | muthu | and i'm riding it |
| 06:48.30 | f00f- | it'll burst but the POP! won't be as loud or painful |
| 06:48.40 | muthu | oh noooo |
| 06:49.03 | f00f- | for every high there must be a low, somehwere :P |
| 06:49.19 | muthu | 2000 will never come |
| 06:49.27 | f00f- | but competition and saturation in a market is good |
| 06:49.39 | muthu | mobile is a great place to be in now |
| 06:49.54 | f00f- | yep |
| 06:50.14 | muthu | i'm betting heavily on my mobile search |
| 06:50.35 | muthu | execution is the key |
| 06:50.36 | f00f- | are you in talks with operators already? |
| 06:50.47 | muthu | yes, i'm in talks with anyone and everyone |
| 06:50.53 | muthu | who is willing to listen |
| 06:51.09 | f00f- | what kind of content are you 'indexing' -- if that is the right word? |
| 06:51.38 | muthu | all |
| 06:51.54 | muthu | you can search for whatever stuff |
| 06:52.00 | muthu | like google |
| 06:52.04 | f00f- | cp -f google mobeegal |
| 06:52.13 | muthu | lol |
| 06:52.33 | f00f- | you must be further along than google mobile search then |
| 06:53.03 | f00f- | search to me seems very 1999, but maybe you have a novel take on it :) |
| 06:53.04 | muthu | its a new thinking |
| 06:53.05 | f00f- | hopefully! |
| 06:53.13 | muthu | correct |
| 06:53.18 | muthu | a novel take.. exactly! |
| 06:53.36 | f00f- | so are you aiming to be a portal in a browser or more? |
| 06:53.47 | muthu | no browser |
| 06:53.53 | muthu | who want's to be in a browser? |
| 06:53.57 | muthu | pure native mobile apps |
| 06:54.19 | muthu | starting with android.. might pan out to others shortly |
| 06:54.44 | muthu | you can see a few excting apps |
| 06:54.45 | f00f- | well |
| 06:54.53 | f00f- | i'll eagerly await the shakeup in the search industry |
| 06:55.02 | muthu | commandro, zinfo, spotx, pocketjourney etc., |
| 06:55.11 | muthu | the shakeup is coming |
| 06:55.13 | muthu | its happening |
| 06:55.24 | muthu | one mobile at a time :) |
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| 09:24.46 | Sicent | anybody here? |
| 09:25.21 | muthu | hi |
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| 09:26.10 | Sicent | so any news? winner? |
| 09:26.29 | muthu | no news |
| 09:26.53 | Sicent | judging finished? |
| 09:27.07 | Sicent | 100 selected? |
| 09:27.11 | muthu | haha |
| 09:27.17 | Sicent | 50 selected? |
| 09:27.21 | muthu | its all million$$ questions |
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| 09:33.23 | ligi | hi all |
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| 09:33.48 | muthu | ligi: hi |
| 09:37.49 | ligi | muthu: namaskar |
| 09:38.47 | muthu | halo |
| 09:38.50 | muthu | hallo |
| 09:38.56 | ligi | ;-) |
| 09:39.10 | muthu | ligi: what's the plan for weekend? |
| 09:39.53 | ligi | muthu: making a video of my new hack form yesterday |
| 09:39.55 | ligi | ;-) |
| 09:40.05 | ligi | was a great day yesterday |
| 09:40.12 | muthu | ha you seem to be the movie guy |
| 09:40.18 | ligi | no |
| 09:40.21 | ligi | im a coder |
| 09:40.22 | ligi | ^^^ |
| 09:40.25 | muthu | i know |
| 09:40.48 | muthu | but you seem to have fun hacking and making movies about the hacks ;) |
| 09:40.56 | ligi | yes |
| 09:41.06 | muthu | what was the hack? |
| 09:41.33 | ligi | flying the mk with souch a device: http://www.3dconnexion.com/3dmouse/what_is_3dmouse.php |
| 09:42.26 | ligi | i always have to make movies because only a view people have the equipment to reproduce |
| 09:42.33 | muthu | looks interesting |
| 09:42.50 | ligi | was a nice flight with this device |
| 09:43.21 | muthu | can that be used with a laptop? |
| 09:43.29 | ligi | yes |
| 09:43.37 | muthu | instead of touchpad? |
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| 09:43.46 | ligi | actually its only possible with the laptop at the moment |
| 09:44.04 | ligi | i never piloted the mk with a touchpad |
| 09:44.26 | muthu | cool |
| 09:44.52 | muthu | ligi: i'm doing a mobile search engine, what would be a cool search category for german market? |
| 09:45.09 | muthu | india ex: is big in matrimony |
| 09:45.27 | muthu | lot of arranged marriages, so people search for brides etc., |
| 09:45.47 | ligi | cars i think ^^ |
| 09:45.56 | muthu | ok.. auto |
| 09:45.59 | muthu | hmm |
| 09:46.06 | davidw | beer and sausages |
| 09:46.10 | ligi | but i dunno - i'm not exactly knowing what the mainstream iss searching for |
| 09:46.13 | muthu | haha |
| 09:46.26 | muthu | davidw: restaurants are included |
| 09:46.33 | ligi | ;-) |
| 09:46.41 | muthu | davidw: give me some suggestions here |
| 09:46.55 | muthu | right now i'm including dating as a search topic |
| 09:47.00 | ligi | muthu: gasoline stations |
| 09:47.09 | ligi | (cuz they are always open) |
| 09:47.24 | muthu | ligi: gas stations.. you think they are fun? |
| 09:47.27 | muthu | haha |
| 09:47.41 | ligi | not fun - but people are searching for them |
| 09:47.46 | ligi | when they need stuff |
| 09:47.52 | muthu | oh ok |
| 09:47.56 | muthu | the nearest gas station |
| 09:47.58 | muthu | correct |
| 09:48.04 | ligi | all other shops are closing too early |
| 09:48.37 | muthu | but don't you know where the gas stations are? |
| 09:48.52 | ligi | sometimes not |
| 09:51.43 | ligi | T-3 to judgement day |
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| 14:25.00 | Dougie187 | morning everyone |
| 14:25.15 | dmoffett | Good Morning. |
| 14:25.38 | GodsMoo1 | good morning |
| 14:25.46 | michaelnovakjr_2 | morning |
| 14:28.49 | Dougie187 | how are all of you? |
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| 14:33.08 | GodsMoo1 | I'm going very good |
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| 14:33.18 | Dougie187 | thats good |
| 14:33.46 | GodsMoo1 | its a beautiful morning on the east coast |
| 14:33.52 | Dougie187 | yes it is |
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| 14:56.09 | dmoffett | Great day here on the Western slope of Colorado, considering it was snowing yesterday morning. :-) |
| 14:57.25 | Dougie187 | heh |
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| 14:59.56 | davidw | brrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 15:02.40 | muthu | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
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| 15:04.53 | GodsMoo1 | I really need to go snowboarding |
| 15:04.59 | GodsMoo1 | I haven't been in a couple years |
| 15:05.11 | GodsMoo1 | it doesn't snow much in Tennessee |
| 15:05.27 | dmoffett | What does a snowboarder and and vacuum cleaner have in common? |
| 15:05.37 | GodsMoo1 | not a clue |
| 15:05.48 | GodsMoo1 | what? |
| 15:05.52 | dmoffett | They both have dirt bags attached. |
| 15:06.03 | muthu | lol |
| 15:06.06 | GodsMoo1 | :) |
| 15:06.22 | dmoffett | Lame ass Tele skier myself. |
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| 15:18.05 | varjag | re |
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| 15:33.05 | jasta | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.34 | dmoffett | I am ready lay it on me. :-) |
| 15:33.42 | jasta | I'm just asking. |
| 15:33.49 | jasta | You're a sad, lonely bunch :) |
| 15:33.54 | dmoffett | lol |
| 15:34.19 | dmoffett | Not anymore I make my seven year old ski with me. :-) |
| 15:35.43 | jasta | well that's one way to make friends. |
| 15:36.00 | Dougie187 | at least he hopes thats a friend |
| 15:36.22 | jasta | once he is old enough to appreciate how much cooler snowboarding is, he'll leave you :) |
| 15:36.46 | dmoffett | for sure |
| 15:36.48 | mnel_work | lol |
| 15:36.59 | dmoffett | Got twenty bucks Dad. |
| 15:37.29 | dmoffett | see you later. |
| 15:38.13 | jasta | hehe, too mean? :) |
| 15:38.43 | dmoffett | on the phone |
| 15:38.45 | jasta | free the heel, free the mind i always say. |
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| 15:45.26 | GodsMoo1 | I always say "ride the board and ride..." I got nothing |
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| 16:28.32 | dmoffett | knuckle draggers are good people and some day grow up to be decent free heelers. |
| 16:29.00 | muthu | http://helloandroid.com/node/531 |
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| 16:32.03 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:32.08 | Dougie187 | thats a good post. |
| 16:32.30 | muthu | that's a much needed post for all of us |
| 16:32.45 | muthu | Dougie187: glad you liked it |
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| 16:42.16 | davidw | for every one of those guys, there are 1000 that were miserable failures |
| 16:42.35 | muthu | haha |
| 16:42.37 | davidw | just to get people's hopes back down |
| 16:42.39 | muthu | shhhhh |
| 16:42.52 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 16:43.05 | muthu | in fact a few of them died in debt |
| 16:59.35 | jasta | you know, there is the ADC II as well |
| 16:59.45 | jasta | you can just happily keep developing your app and resubmit. |
| 17:01.42 | muthu | right |
| 17:02.16 | jasta | and if your app isn't a trivial piece of crap, you stand a much better shot in the second challenge |
| 17:02.24 | muthu | haha |
| 17:02.25 | jasta | (thought most of them were) |
| 17:02.42 | muthu | (but no one thinks their own app is crap) |
| 17:02.55 | Dougie187 | i bet some people do |
| 17:03.00 | Dougie187 | honest people that is |
| 17:03.10 | muthu | honest are few and far between |
| 17:03.13 | Dougie187 | true |
| 17:03.17 | Dougie187 | but i bet some of them are honest |
| 17:03.47 | muthu | all of them are |
| 17:03.53 | muthu | but you know emotion gets to you |
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| 17:05.49 | jasta | well, it's pretty easy to determine if your app is a trivial piece of crap. |
| 17:06.00 | muthu | tell me |
| 17:06.02 | jasta | if you are done developing it after just a couple of months, it is. |
| 17:06.08 | muthu | haha |
| 17:06.24 | jasta | otherwise, if you have more you want to do for the next 5 months, then it probably isn't :) |
| 17:06.45 | muthu | looks like no one stopped |
| 17:08.24 | jasta | there are a lot of people who have reported being done, actually |
| 17:08.40 | jasta | but anyway |
| 17:08.46 | jasta | i'm finally tired of all these discussions |
| 17:08.51 | muthu | yeah |
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| 17:11.45 | jasta | we'll find out monday, and it won't hardly change anything. |
| 17:11.55 | muthu | is the date final? |
| 17:12.09 | jasta | nothing's final, but it's been confirmed several times that they are on track |
| 17:12.21 | muthu | now i'm feeling it might be delayed |
| 17:12.56 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i am all confused about the adc and rumors.... so i think i am going to try to turn my ears off |
| 17:13.28 | muthu | turn volume down |
| 17:13.45 | muthu | i'm using 5.. so its auto off ;) |
| 17:14.28 | michaelnovakjr_2 | anyone get hit since tuesday? |
| 17:14.50 | muthu | i've seen only one report in the forum |
| 17:15.20 | michaelnovakjr_2 | interesting |
| 17:16.08 | michaelnovakjr_2 | my take on this is that the top 100 aren't tested anymore and the judges decide based on notes from using the app before. If you are tested this week maybe its due to the 'tie' they mention could have happened |
| 17:16.27 | muthu | i have a clear idea now |
| 17:16.34 | muthu | on what exactly happened |
| 17:16.34 | jasta | let's just stop talking about it |
| 17:16.40 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha |
| 17:16.51 | jasta | really, let's just stop |
| 17:16.53 | muthu | yeah its getting boring |
| 17:16.59 | jasta | so what are you all doing this weekend? :) |
| 17:17.14 | muthu | i'll go to beach |
| 17:17.17 | muthu | see some movies |
| 17:17.24 | muthu | watch some cricket |
| 17:17.31 | muthu | drink some beer |
| 17:17.39 | muthu | eat some briyani |
| 17:18.30 | jasta | i'm helping my buddy move on saturday |
| 17:18.30 | Dougie187 | briyani? |
| 17:18.40 | Dougie187 | im going to hang out. |
| 17:18.44 | Dougie187 | play some mario kart |
| 17:18.45 | jasta | which normally would suck, but he doesn't have much stuff and repays handsomely with beer and free food |
| 17:18.45 | Dougie187 | halo |
| 17:18.46 | Dougie187 | ssbb |
| 17:18.49 | Dougie187 | thats pretty much it |
| 17:18.54 | muthu | Dougie187: biriyani - yummy |
| 17:19.02 | michaelnovakjr_2 | Call of Duty 4 this weekend!!!!!! |
| 17:19.24 | muthu | i'll do all that with my family & kids of course |
| 17:19.25 | jasta | Dougie187: i don't play hardly any video games. i get addicted every now and then to 1 game in particular |
| 17:19.35 | jasta | muthu: you drink beer with your kids? |
| 17:19.47 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:19.52 | Dougie187 | which game? |
| 17:19.54 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i do, my fiver year old loves corona |
| 17:20.06 | muthu | jasta: drink at home, the kids are young |
| 17:20.25 | jasta | Dougie187: Most recently, I played a lot of the WarCraft III mod called DotA, before that I played Heroes of Might and Magic 5. |
| 17:20.35 | muthu | jasta: and its usually late, so they are asleep |
| 17:20.38 | jasta | And then I played a bit of Half-Life 2 (beat all the single player content and played some CS2) |
| 17:21.00 | Dougie187 | oh man i love Dota |
| 17:21.04 | Dougie187 | DotA is freaking awesome |
| 17:21.08 | jasta | i was really, really good at it. |
| 17:21.30 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i play this game called tetris..... anyone heard of it? |
| 17:21.31 | Dougie187 | did you play AR? |
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| 17:21.32 | jasta | me and my friend used to play the Slayer + Necro combo. OMG it owned. |
| 17:21.45 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:22.07 | jasta | the necro's ultimate could instantly kill them if they went below half their life, and the slayer can get them down that low almost instantly |
| 17:22.13 | jasta | so we'd just gank the hell out of people |
| 17:22.30 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 17:22.30 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:22.32 | jasta | and then if you lane push together you can kill any creeps in just 1 spellcast each |
| 17:22.41 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 17:22.42 | jasta | so you can literally *WALK* through. you don't even have to stop. |
| 17:23.02 | muthu | any nice game on android.. that you liked |
| 17:23.26 | jasta | Dougie187: and that's even at low levels. level 8 or 9 or so you can do that. |
| 17:23.30 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i am porting world of warcraft over to android |
| 17:23.38 | yakischloba | haha |
| 17:23.41 | donomo | michaelnovakjr_2: sweet |
| 17:23.49 | Dougie187 | lol good luck with that |
| 17:23.54 | jasta | i think he was kidding, honestly |
| 17:23.57 | Dougie187 | thats like making a facebook app |
| 17:23.57 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha, i am being really sarcastic today... |
| 17:24.07 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:24.08 | Dougie187 | i know. |
| 17:24.15 | michaelnovakjr_2 | its one of those fridays |
| 17:24.16 | jasta | so anyway, no android talk today, ok? :) |
| 17:24.22 | jasta | let's do none at all |
| 17:24.31 | michaelnovakjr_2 | jasta, how about until monday |
| 17:24.35 | jasta | sure |
| 17:24.41 | jasta | we can all just pretend we like each other instead |
| 17:24.49 | muthu | cool |
| 17:24.49 | Dougie187 | i wish my freaking laptop would get done |
| 17:24.50 | michaelnovakjr_2 | lets get dan to change the topic |
| 17:25.28 | jasta | so, i just spent a fair amount of time creating a small icon for some project at work |
| 17:25.32 | michaelnovakjr_2 | topic: android is on vacation, no android discussions until monday |
| 17:25.33 | jasta | and when i went to save it gimp crashed |
| 17:25.34 | jasta | that sucked |
| 17:25.39 | donomo | jasta: dou! |
| 17:25.57 | jasta | which is weird, because i've never known gimp to be unstable. lame. |
| 17:26.13 | muthu | i can never get around gimp |
| 17:26.22 | jasta | GLib-GObject-ERROR **: g_type_plugin_*() invalidly modified type `GLocalFileEnumerator' |
| 17:26.26 | jasta | hmm |
| 17:26.27 | michaelnovakjr_2 | gimp is cool |
| 17:26.56 | jasta | i like that way back in the 1.5.x series, the gimp splash logo was a picture of the Tacoma Narrows bridge when it fell down. |
| 17:26.56 | muthu | its a nice tool if you can use it |
| 17:27.05 | muthu | i'm such a poor designer anyways |
| 17:27.07 | jasta | i used to drive on the rebuilt version of that bridge every day back when it was released. |
| 17:27.18 | michaelnovakjr_2 | nice :) |
| 17:27.23 | jasta | i mean, back when gimp 1.5.x was released hehe |
| 17:27.50 | Dougie187 | do a lot of people here like centos? |
| 17:27.51 | jasta | they built a new bridge right next to it. the whole thing is huge now. 2 bridges, 9 lanes total. |
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| 17:28.12 | muthu | centos is stable |
| 17:28.19 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:28.20 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i use it on my mail server |
| 17:28.37 | davidw | is a debian/ubuntu guy |
| 17:28.40 | michaelnovakjr_2 | don't like it for workstation usage though |
| 17:28.47 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i like ubuntu for desktop |
| 17:28.59 | Dougie187 | i remember having this discussion with you michaelnovakjr_2 yesterday i believe |
| 17:29.14 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i thought it sounded familiar.... :) |
| 17:29.21 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 17:29.35 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i was up really late last night so everything is meshed together in my brain |
| 17:29.39 | Dougie187 | because I was complaining about how centos 5 comes with Firefox 1.5.0.12 which is unsupported |
| 17:29.43 | michaelnovakjr_2 | CoD4 until 3am! |
| 17:29.54 | michaelnovakjr_2 | ah yes i remember now |
| 17:30.05 | Dougie187 | and that makes me believe its not stable. |
| 17:30.07 | Dougie187 | for desktops. |
| 17:30.14 | Dougie187 | but you dont need that because you have a server. |
| 17:30.18 | Dougie187 | which doesnt need firefox |
| 17:30.33 | michaelnovakjr_2 | nope... i actually forgot the user name and password |
| 17:30.38 | Dougie187 | Lol |
| 17:30.44 | Dougie187 | thats a sham |
| 17:30.45 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i really should single user mode it tonight and recover it :) |
| 17:30.45 | Dougie187 | e |
| 17:31.05 | michaelnovakjr_2 | its rock solid.... doesn't go down |
| 17:31.08 | Dougie187 | lol i keep checking the depot status on my laptop. |
| 17:31.12 | Dougie187 | about ever 5 minutes. |
| 17:31.16 | Dougie187 | just to see if they update it |
| 17:31.26 | michaelnovakjr_2 | of course now that i said that its going to get back at me for it |
| 17:31.36 | Dougie187 | of course |
| 17:32.11 | michaelnovakjr_2 | muthu: sun has some good stuff in their start up program.... waiting on someone to contact me |
| 17:32.43 | muthu | michaelnovakjr_2: cool |
| 17:32.48 | muthu | heard pretty damn cheap |
| 17:32.54 | michaelnovakjr_2 | yea |
| 17:33.09 | michaelnovakjr_2 | considering sun machines are usually more than $10L |
| 17:33.12 | michaelnovakjr_2 | $10K |
| 17:33.22 | muthu | what's the price for you? |
| 17:33.31 | michaelnovakjr_2 | you can get one for $1200 roughly... depending on what you need |
| 17:33.40 | michaelnovakjr_2 | they range obviously |
| 17:33.48 | michaelnovakjr_2 | some $8K |
| 17:33.57 | michaelnovakjr_2 | some that are $600-$800 |
| 17:34.14 | Dougie187 | michaelnovakjr_2 you should get on halo and play with a friend and me |
| 17:35.02 | michaelnovakjr_2 | sure, you should also run out right now and pick up call of duty 4 |
| 17:35.15 | Dougie187 | if you want to pay for it. sur |
| 17:35.15 | michaelnovakjr_2 | its an entirely different totally awesome experience |
| 17:35.15 | Dougie187 | e |
| 17:35.32 | michaelnovakjr_2 | you'd never put it down |
| 17:35.57 | Dougie187 | did you get gta4? |
| 17:36.02 | michaelnovakjr_2 | not yet |
| 17:36.06 | Dougie187 | you going to? |
| 17:36.06 | michaelnovakjr_2 | probably this weekend |
| 17:36.12 | Dougie187 | nice lemme know how it is. |
| 17:36.18 | Dougie187 | i wanna rent it |
| 17:36.22 | michaelnovakjr_2 | will do |
| 17:36.39 | michaelnovakjr_2 | you should rent call of duty this weekend |
| 17:36.49 | michaelnovakjr_2 | you'll play one round and want to buy it |
| 17:37.00 | Dougie187 | lol then I shouldnt because I dont have money for more games right now |
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| 17:37.16 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha, or you'll forget you rented it and just keep it :) |
| 17:37.30 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:37.34 | Dougie187 | Whats your gamertag? |
| 17:37.37 | michaelnovakjr_2 | macnov |
| 17:38.06 | Dougie187 | i just added you |
| 17:38.11 | michaelnovakjr_2 | cool |
| 17:38.22 | michaelnovakjr_2 | we play hardcore team deathmatches in cod |
| 17:38.34 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 17:38.39 | Dougie187 | whats hardcore do? |
| 17:38.51 | michaelnovakjr_2 | you die easier.... no hud |
| 17:39.00 | Dougie187 | i like team swat in halo |
| 17:39.09 | michaelnovakjr_2 | its slightly more realistic than non hardcore modes |
| 17:39.24 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i had a 15 kill streak sniping last night! |
| 17:39.30 | Dougie187 | nice |
| 17:39.40 | michaelnovakjr_2 | the maps are awesome too |
| 17:39.53 | Dougie187 | better than gaurdian? |
| 17:39.57 | michaelnovakjr_2 | yes |
| 17:40.05 | michaelnovakjr_2 | million times better |
| 17:40.09 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 17:40.18 | Dougie187 | i have a couple of other friends who are addicted to CoD |
| 17:40.49 | michaelnovakjr_2 | its fun... you do challenges, unlock weapons all the good stuff |
| 17:41.03 | michaelnovakjr_2 | team matches you level up quicker |
| 17:41.12 | Dougie187 | cool |
| 17:41.17 | michaelnovakjr_2 | as opposed to free for all |
| 17:41.31 | michaelnovakjr_2 | hardcore... friendly fire is on too |
| 17:41.43 | michaelnovakjr_2 | reg team deathmatch they turn it off |
| 17:41.54 | Dougie187 | sounds like fun. |
| 17:42.00 | michaelnovakjr_2 | totally |
| 17:42.10 | Dougie187 | i wonder if anyone in here works for toshiba |
| 17:42.18 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i was addicted to halo and then when i got call of duty just have been able to put it down |
| 17:42.57 | Dougie187 | heh thats what i hear a lot |
| 17:43.04 | Dougie187 | and when they come back to halo they totally suck at it |
| 17:43.09 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha yea |
| 17:43.14 | michaelnovakjr_2 | except sniper |
| 17:43.16 | jasta | so, did any of you guys get addicted to WoW at one point? |
| 17:43.21 | Dougie187 | hell no |
| 17:43.23 | michaelnovakjr_2 | because halo sniper is really easy |
| 17:43.25 | michaelnovakjr_2 | jasta, yea |
| 17:43.27 | jasta | my roommate still plays it. constantly. he doesn't leave his bedroom. |
| 17:43.28 | Dougie187 | i played the 10 day free trial. |
| 17:43.35 | Dougie187 | i got bored after 10 days |
| 17:43.39 | Dougie187 | actually like 6 days |
| 17:43.47 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i played it for about a month |
| 17:43.56 | jasta | i never once even sat at the controls. i have seen it played a handful of times, and was unimpressed. |
| 17:44.10 | jasta | but my roommate *STILL* plays it. i can't believe it. it ruined his life. |
| 17:44.27 | michaelnovakjr_2 | it was cool, just having to sit at my desk instead of my couch was the deciding factor |
| 17:44.28 | jasta | well, his life sucked before i guess. |
| 17:44.32 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha |
| 17:44.53 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:45.22 | michaelnovakjr_2 | and plus they don't make it for linux so, not happening |
| 17:45.49 | Dougie187 | it runs in wine though |
| 17:45.57 | michaelnovakjr_2 | any good? |
| 17:46.09 | Dougie187 | i guess. |
| 17:46.12 | Dougie187 | never tried it |
| 17:49.28 | jasta | I wish vmware would run my host browser when i click on links. |
| 17:50.17 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 17:51.20 | jasta | i know it seems obvious, but only just recently did it occur to me that if i buy a second hard drive specifically for vmware, it will run faster |
| 17:51.25 | jasta | now i use it a lot more :) |
| 17:52.02 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :) |
| 17:53.43 | Dougie187 | is vmware better than virtualbox? |
| 17:54.28 | jasta | never used that |
| 17:54.37 | jasta | vmware seems to be free though, so i havent looked elsewhere |
| 17:54.50 | Dougie187 | virtualbox is free |
| 17:54.58 | jasta | i mean, they try to package it like it isn't, but you can use vmplayer for free after your trial version of vmware has created an image for you |
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| 17:55.15 | jasta | seems like there's no real disadvantage there |
| 18:05.15 | Dougie187 | true |
| 18:05.18 | Dougie187 | you just need to keep the image around |
| 18:05.26 | Dougie187 | incase you want to reinstall your comp |
| 18:06.44 | jasta | but you can just go download another vmware trial |
| 18:06.49 | jasta | they don't seem to protect it very well |
| 18:06.50 | Dougie187 | yeah |
| 18:06.57 | jasta | i mean, it's not even a hassle to do |
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| 18:15.00 | keashF | hi all, |
| 18:15.04 | Dougie187 | hi |
| 18:15.10 | Dougie187 | no andorid talk today |
| 18:15.18 | keashF | why not? |
| 18:15.19 | Dougie187 | just so you know |
| 18:15.23 | Dougie187 | noone wants to talk about it today |
| 18:15.28 | Dougie187 | they want to forget about android until monday |
| 18:15.32 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :) |
| 18:15.33 | keashF | i understand that |
| 18:15.39 | keashF | me too, but i can't |
| 18:15.45 | michaelnovakjr_2 | instead this is the Call of Duty channel! |
| 18:15.51 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 18:15.53 | keashF | rofl |
| 18:15.58 | Dougie187 | video games and linux channel |
| 18:16.02 | michaelnovakjr_2 | Dougie187: is renting it tonight to become addicted |
| 18:16.03 | keashF | mind if i ask one quik question? |
| 18:16.10 | michaelnovakjr_2 | about CoD? |
| 18:16.15 | michaelnovakjr_2 | or linux |
| 18:16.17 | keashF | nah.. |
| 18:16.20 | keashF | android, really |
| 18:17.42 | keashF | i wonder, can anyone confirm that phase one of the judging really is complete. it seems only Muthu knows everything, but how credible is his opinion? |
| 18:17.58 | michaelnovakjr_2 | please tell me THAT is NOT your question :) |
| 18:18.10 | keashF | uhh.. |
| 18:18.16 | michaelnovakjr_2 | results are here |
| 18:18.20 | michaelnovakjr_2 | www.youdidnotwin.com |
| 18:18.23 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha |
| 18:18.28 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :) |
| 18:18.30 | keashF | haha |
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| 18:19.13 | michaelnovakjr_2 | Kraln: no android talk today :) .... linux and games |
| 18:19.24 | Kraln | huh? |
| 18:19.33 | keashF | you're not very helpful.. but thanks anyway |
| 18:19.38 | michaelnovakjr_2 | we decided no one wants to talk about android today |
| 18:20.07 | Kraln | fine. |
| 18:20.13 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :) |
| 18:20.57 | michaelnovakjr_2 | Kraln: play call of duty? |
| 18:21.10 | Kraln | I haven't had time to play any games in a while |
| 18:21.18 | Kraln | I am the project lead on Digital Paintball, however (www.digitalpaintball.net) |
| 18:21.28 | michaelnovakjr_2 | paintball :) |
| 18:21.34 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i was supposed to do that this weeked |
| 18:22.10 | keashF | ah Muthui is here :) |
| 18:22.39 | michaelnovakjr_2 | he is probably not paying attention :) |
| 18:22.47 | muthu | hi |
| 18:22.51 | michaelnovakjr_2 | or not :) |
| 18:22.53 | keashF | hi Muthu |
| 18:23.05 | muthu | keashF: hi, how are you? |
| 18:23.21 | keashF | fine, thanks, but tension is high.. |
| 18:23.29 | muthu | i can understand |
| 18:23.32 | muthu | we all in same boat |
| 18:23.33 | keashF | i wonder: how do you know that phase 1 of judging is over |
| 18:23.46 | michaelnovakjr_2 | because he is a judge that is not talking |
| 18:23.48 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :) |
| 18:23.54 | muthu | lol |
| 18:23.55 | keashF | yeah, right |
| 18:23.57 | keashF | :) |
| 18:24.09 | michaelnovakjr_2 | he also is the admin on www.youdidnotwin.com |
| 18:24.10 | muthu | keashF: who said the judging is over? |
| 18:24.17 | muthu | its over when 50 winners are announced |
| 18:24.21 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :) |
| 18:24.26 | keashF | no not over, only the phase where 100 are selected |
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| 18:24.31 | keashF | how do you know that? |
| 18:24.33 | Dougie187 | we could just drop it |
| 18:24.35 | Dougie187 | and see on monday. |
| 18:24.40 | Dougie187 | i think that sounds like a good idea. |
| 18:24.41 | michaelnovakjr_2 | agreed |
| 18:24.42 | Dougie187 | so |
| 18:24.46 | Dougie187 | how bout some halo guys? |
| 18:24.49 | Dougie187 | you like halo? |
| 18:24.51 | Dougie187 | or cod? |
| 18:24.53 | Dougie187 | or mario kart? |
| 18:24.54 | michaelnovakjr_2 | because no one actually knows |
| 18:25.36 | keashF | if no one knows then why is it posted everywhere |
| 18:25.50 | michaelnovakjr_2 | www.androidjudges.com has phone numbers and addresses of all the judges |
| 18:25.56 | michaelnovakjr_2 | keashF: its all rumors |
| 18:26.24 | Dougie187 | try it on the forums |
| 18:26.29 | Dougie187 | maybe they can answer your questions |
| 18:26.29 | keashF | thought as much. |
| 18:26.29 | michaelnovakjr_2 | kinda like back in HS when someone would say you had a bad case of ____ (fill in the blank) and no one dated you |
| 18:26.51 | michaelnovakjr_2 | no one knows except google, and they are tight lipped |
| 18:26.58 | michaelnovakjr_2 | until monday of course :) |
| 18:27.06 | michaelnovakjr_2 | so grab a beer and play some CoD! |
| 18:27.33 | keashF | yeah, but why why why do you, Muthu, keep posting that judging has progressed to the final 100, if you don't know that? |
| 18:27.46 | Dougie187 | it doesnt matter |
| 18:27.48 | keashF | btw. i liked that article on helloandroid |
| 18:27.48 | michaelnovakjr_2 | cause its fun :) |
| 18:27.48 | Dougie187 | not until monday |
| 18:28.11 | keashF | fun? hmm coding was fun.. this, well.. |
| 18:28.12 | muthu | keashF: glad you liked it |
| 18:28.34 | michaelnovakjr_2 | this is fun too..... playing non-stop CoD!! |
| 18:28.38 | muthu | keashF: where you from? |
| 18:28.44 | keashF | austria |
| 18:28.51 | muthu | yeah remember |
| 18:28.54 | muthu | your app? |
| 18:28.54 | keashF | i think i mentioned it .. |
| 18:29.03 | keashF | also from austria (rofl) |
| 18:29.11 | muthu | haha |
| 18:29.13 | keashF | can't give details |
| 18:29.17 | muthu | cool |
| 18:29.20 | michaelnovakjr_2 | how come? |
| 18:29.22 | keashF | sorry, corporate stuff |
| 18:29.26 | michaelnovakjr_2 | no one can steal it |
| 18:29.41 | michaelnovakjr_2 | deadline kinda passed a little while ago |
| 18:29.56 | keashF | i know, but i'm not to tell until we go live. |
| 18:30.08 | michaelnovakjr_2 | go live? |
| 18:30.09 | muthu | when you going live? |
| 18:30.36 | keashF | plan was may 1, but didn't work out.. sometime in may, though should be possible |
| 18:30.49 | michaelnovakjr_2 | may 1? there aren't any phones though? |
| 18:31.04 | michaelnovakjr_2 | or do you mean just the idea? |
| 18:31.15 | keashF | right, we are working on clients for many platforms |
| 18:31.25 | keashF | but only in android you can do really cool stuff |
| 18:31.36 | keashF | maybe in iphone, too, i dont know |
| 18:31.58 | michaelnovakjr_2 | so back to CoD... who's getting it today :) |
| 18:32.00 | keashF | but in java microedition.. forget it.. but thats what we will go live in the beginning |
| 18:32.31 | keashF | ok guys, nice evening (at least here it's evening) i'm gonna go for a beer. cu |
| 18:37.28 | muthu | ooh the forums are hot |
| 18:37.50 | michaelnovakjr_2 | ? |
| 18:38.07 | muthu | android-challenge |
| 18:38.15 | muthu | take a look |
| 18:38.30 | michaelnovakjr_2 | link? |
| 18:38.33 | muthu | hot as in not sexy ;) |
| 18:38.58 | muthu | michaelnovakjr_2: are you for real? you dont know the android challenge forums? |
| 18:39.00 | michaelnovakjr_2 | so what's that like... 85 degrees then? |
| 18:39.09 | muthu | http://groups.google.com/group/android-challenge |
| 18:39.21 | michaelnovakjr_2 | i dont remember it sorry, i book mark things..... not on my usual machine |
| 18:39.36 | muthu | michaelnovakjr_2: you are funny though |
| 18:39.43 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha |
| 18:39.50 | muthu | androidjudges.com haha |
| 18:40.06 | muthu | imagine if that's real |
| 18:41.05 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha |
| 18:46.43 | michaelnovakjr_2 | people are stupid |
| 18:46.46 | michaelnovakjr_2 | that is all i have to say |
| 18:46.55 | Dougie187 | it happens. |
| 18:47.00 | muthu | they are just charged up |
| 18:49.13 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :) |
| 18:49.19 | michaelnovakjr_2 | give me 5 minutes :) |
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| 18:54.08 | muthu | i'm done for the night.. good night folks |
| 19:01.59 | michaelnovakjr_2 | check it out..... www.youdidnotwin.com |
| 19:03.57 | Kraln | wow |
| 19:04.02 | Kraln | people are really pissy about the judging |
| 19:04.10 | Kraln | "they only used my application for two minutes!" |
| 19:04.19 | Dougie187 | lol |
| 19:04.37 | Kraln | wah wah wah. |
| 19:04.44 | michaelnovakjr_2 | all i have to say is www.youdidnotwin.com |
| 19:07.43 | michaelnovakjr_2 | wheres incognito.... let's have him post www.youdidnotwin.com in the forums |
| 19:07.44 | Dougie187 | either way. |
| 19:07.52 | Dougie187 | hows call of duty? |
| 19:07.56 | michaelnovakjr_2 | amazing |
| 19:08.05 | Dougie187 | so i hear |
| 19:08.09 | michaelnovakjr_2 | totally rent it |
| 19:08.24 | michaelnovakjr_2 | experience a ton of fun! |
| 19:10.19 | davidw | Kraln, well, if you tune out jasta, it's not so bad;-P |
| 19:10.48 | michaelnovakjr_2 | www.youdidnotwin.com |
| 19:10.53 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :) |
| 19:11.59 | davidw | oh man |
| 19:12.02 | davidw | I didn't win... |
| 19:12.11 | michaelnovakjr_2 | haha |
| 19:12.14 | michaelnovakjr_2 | me either |
| 19:12.32 | Dougie187 | i did |
| 19:12.50 | michaelnovakjr_2 | yea/ |
| 19:12.53 | Dougie187 | my website is www.youdidntnotwin.com |
| 19:12.59 | michaelnovakjr_2 | nice :) |
| 19:13.16 | michaelnovakjr_2 | the more optimistic approach |
| 19:13.20 | Dougie187 | heh |
| 19:13.24 | Dougie187 | my glass is half full |
| 19:13.29 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :) |
| 19:13.36 | michaelnovakjr_2 | mine's empty... i was thirsty |
| 19:13.52 | Dougie187 | go fill it p |
| 19:13.54 | Dougie187 | up |
| 19:16.11 | davidw | is busy working on langpop.com |
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| 19:21.14 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :) |
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| 20:04.41 | dmoffett | Has anyone heard of porting Android to the iPhone hardware? |
| 20:05.05 | dmoffett | I would guess it would be possible. |
| 20:05.49 | AstainHellbring | should be possible for about any arm platform |
| 20:10.23 | dmoffett | iPhone has no map api and that is not good for my efforts. |
| 20:14.50 | jasta | dmoffett: i doubt such an effort would be that popular. |
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| 20:15.06 | jasta | i mean, i wouldn't hope it to be done so that you could meaningfully develop apps for the iphone using android. |
| 20:15.14 | jasta | seems like kind of a frankenstein thing to do :) |
| 20:15.45 | michaelnovakjr_2 | speaking about android? all i have to say is www.youdidnotwin.com |
| 20:15.59 | michaelnovakjr_2 | it has all the answers ther |
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| 20:16.43 | f00f- | Sorry, I did not win! |
| 20:16.48 | f00f- | looks like its creator didn't win either |
| 20:16.51 | jasta | michaelnovakjr_2: oh yeah, but at least there's no ADC talk |
| 20:16.54 | michaelnovakjr_2 | yea i didn't |
| 20:17.03 | f00f- | hah |
| 20:17.04 | jasta | dude |
| 20:17.06 | jasta | i feel really sick |
| 20:17.12 | michaelnovakjr_2 | sick? |
| 20:17.13 | jasta | i just ate some pizza that tasted a little funny |
| 20:17.18 | jasta | and i feel REALLY sick |
| 20:17.22 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :\ |
| 20:17.27 | dmoffett | ouch |
| 20:17.27 | michaelnovakjr_2 | :x |
| 20:17.40 | michaelnovakjr_2 | : X |
| 20:18.22 | jasta | oh boy |
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| 20:24.48 | jasta | awwwgghg |
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| 20:29.14 | davidw | eheh, the first time I lived in Italy, I lived above what I think was the worst pizza shop in Italy |
| 20:29.20 | davidw | which is a real accomplishment |
| 20:29.36 | davidw | it's hard to find a pizza place in Italy that sucks |
| 20:30.22 | jasta | Thai food is like that here in Seattle :) |
| 20:30.38 | jasta | you can usually pick entirely at random and get a good meal. |
| 20:30.53 | jasta | Indian food as well. It's great :) |
| 20:32.56 | davidw | I think the NW has pretty good food compared to a lot of places in the US |
| 20:33.44 | jasta | Yes, I'd agree. |
| 20:34.02 | jasta | Except Chinese. Lord it's bad here :) |
| 20:35.14 | dmoffett | Living in Western Colorado makes going anywhere else a culinary treat. |
| 20:37.22 | davidw | must be high and cold there |
| 20:37.36 | davidw | I so want to put together the Perfect Place |
| 20:37.49 | jasta | the perfect place? |
| 20:37.52 | davidw | yeah |
| 20:37.58 | davidw | take bits and pieces from everywhere |
| 20:37.59 | jasta | i demand that you explain |
| 20:38.10 | davidw | for instance, the weather would come from California |
| 20:38.19 | davidw | the cities would be Italian |
| 20:38.30 | davidw | or city, don't need more than one |
| 20:38.38 | jasta | that seems like it would only satisfy your interests |
| 20:39.05 | jasta | also, you could move to little italy in california ;) |
| 20:39.08 | davidw | business/rules/etc... Oregon, maybe |
| 20:39.11 | jasta | in san francisco, i mean |
| 20:39.15 | davidw | that's a joke |
| 20:39.27 | jasta | so is what you're saying |
| 20:39.59 | jasta | pretty much the only reason i don't live in california right now is because i can't stand the weather. |
| 20:40.42 | davidw | ... |
| 20:40.46 | dmoffett | Beautiful women would be at the top of my list. I could live in a shit hole if the women are hot. |
| 20:40.48 | jasta | california has nice weather in the spring and fall. it has miserably hot weather in the summer. it's unbearable. |
| 20:41.04 | davidw | you could always stand under a cold shower in a parka if you miss the NW weather |
| 20:41.07 | jasta | it gets to 100 degrees there! |
| 20:41.17 | f00f- | jasta: perhaps in southern california :) |
| 20:41.22 | davidw | 100F and dry isn't bad |
| 20:41.35 | davidw | but in the bay area it never gets that hot, unless you head out way east |
| 20:41.55 | davidw | try 100 and super humid... you wouldn't like northern italy in the summer |
| 20:42.05 | f00f- | it can hit 100F for 1-2 weeks tops in southern bay area, but that's it |
| 20:42.11 | jasta | btw, i went hiking in the olympics last weekend. |
| 20:42.14 | jasta | it was like 75. |
| 20:42.17 | jasta | so shove it :) |
| 20:42.58 | jasta | also, i like winter sports, of which there are a scarce few there. you have to drive 4+ hours from the bay area to tahoe, and that's all you get. |
| 20:43.13 | davidw | I bet the news reports lead with "strange yellow disc appears in the sky" too |
| 20:43.18 | dmoffett | Tahoe rocks for skiing |
| 20:43.22 | f00f- | true |
| 20:43.39 | jasta | yes, tahoe is awesome. but 4 hours? come on. |
| 20:43.39 | dmoffett | bet they got buttloads of snow this winter. |
| 20:43.58 | jasta | if i drive 5 hours, i get whistler, which is better anyway. and i get 4 other places on the way! |
| 20:44.05 | jasta | dmoffett: Yeah, I was there. |
| 20:44.24 | davidw | could walk to a ski area... if he gave a (**&^^ about skiiing |
| 20:44.26 | dmoffett | We got a buttload here. |
| 20:44.34 | dmoffett | crazy snow this year. |
| 20:44.51 | jasta | the pacific northwest is one of the best, though not popular, ski areas in the US. |
| 20:45.08 | dmoffett | BC rocks as well. |
| 20:45.11 | jasta | it's consistently good every year, lots of choice for terrain and area |
| 20:45.23 | jasta | whistler and mt hood are both very close, too |
| 20:45.23 | dmoffett | but I did get rained on while skiing there. |
| 20:45.49 | jasta | Stevens Pass is my favorite, and it's still under $50 a ticket. |
| 20:46.02 | dmoffett | Utah is probably the best if you can stand 3% beer. |
| 20:46.18 | jasta | lol, what? 3% beer? |
| 20:46.28 | jasta | i've never been to utah, is that really all they serve? |
| 20:46.31 | dmoffett | Mormans. |
| 20:46.41 | dmoffett | yep |
| 20:46.43 | jasta | yeah, but surely they must have other beers? |
| 20:47.31 | dmoffett | Very nice people but they don't like you drinking, I guess. |
| 20:47.49 | dmoffett | Even in Colorado the Grocery stores sell 3%. |
| 20:48.10 | davidw | the US is pretty screwed up in terms of its relationship with alcohol |
| 20:48.19 | dmoffett | You have to go to a liquor store to get regulare beer. |
| 20:48.37 | f00f- | regular? |
| 20:48.39 | f00f- | not really |
| 20:48.49 | f00f- | you can get most average/regular beers at grocery stores |
| 20:48.51 | dmoffett | 3% just makes you drink more imo. |
| 20:49.32 | dmoffett | Grocery stores only sell 3% beer in Colorado. |
| 20:49.33 | jasta | dmoffett: each state has different liquor control. |
| 20:49.46 | jasta | err davidw |
| 20:49.50 | dmoffett | Yeah just the make things simple. |
| 20:50.11 | davidw | in Italy anyone can buy anything |
| 20:50.23 | davidw | in whatever store |
| 20:50.34 | davidw | they probably wouldn't serve to a really young looking kid |
| 20:50.57 | davidw | but said kid could go buy whatever in the supermarket |
| 20:50.58 | dmoffett | imo we are very backwards when it comes to sin business. Hence Las Vegas is able to exist. |
| 20:54.39 | jasta | i actually thought about something the other day... |
| 20:54.51 | jasta | the real reason why the legal drinking age is 21... |
| 20:55.04 | davidw | it's highway money |
| 20:55.08 | jasta | because nobody wants to go to a bar with high school students. |
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