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| 00:02.02 | Kraln | reiser was found guilty |
| 00:03.36 | jasta | yikes |
| 00:03.40 | jasta | probably is, too :) |
| 00:04.49 | jasta | his wikipedia entry didn't take long to update. |
| 00:11.20 | f00f- | :( |
| 00:11.25 | f00f- | what about reiser4 stability |
| 00:11.35 | Kraln | namesys is still working on it |
| 00:11.44 | jasta | what a bizarre story |
| 00:12.04 | f00f- | yeah, he could/should have acted better in court |
| 00:12.13 | jasta | maybe he couldn't? |
| 00:12.22 | f00f- | probably true |
| 00:12.27 | jasta | i mean, maybe he acted like a crazy man who had recently killed someone? |
| 00:12.29 | jasta | ;) |
| 00:12.52 | jasta | he tried to throw that defense that he's a software engineer and therefore strange |
| 00:12.55 | f00f- | well judging from his comments in court, he seemed to try to elevate himself as someone who is superior |
| 00:13.07 | f00f- | 'excessively logical' you could say |
| 00:13.10 | jasta | but reviewing some of the case information publicly available, he was acting a bit beyond normal software engineer crazy. |
| 00:13.26 | f00f- | doesn't work in court, especially when judges/jury are clewbs and not logical engineers |
| 00:13.38 | jasta | i don't think that reasoning would work on me, either. |
| 00:13.43 | f00f- | jasta: yeah, definitely |
| 00:13.49 | jasta | being excessively logical, you'd also find him guilty. |
| 00:15.00 | jasta | what strikes me most of all is the extremely short duration of their marriage/relationship leading up to her murder |
| 00:15.47 | jasta | it was like, what, 8 months? |
| 00:16.53 | f00f- | oh i thought it was longer |
| 00:17.12 | jasta | i dont think so, let me see if i can confirm |
| 00:17.16 | f00f- | "In 1999, while working in Russia, Hans Reiser met and married Nina Sharanova.... The Reisers separated in May 2004, Nina Reiser filing for divorce three months later..." |
| 00:17.19 | f00f- | but that's just wikipedia :) |
| 00:17.56 | f00f- | but dude, that book he bought |
| 00:18.01 | f00f- | was the stupidest thing ever |
| 00:18.03 | jasta | oh, i may have missed that. i concluded they had known each other only briefly because i knew she had an ex-bf in the same year that she was killed |
| 00:18.30 | f00f- | like, how to kill whatever, any jury is going to notice that's not normal |
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| 00:18.53 | jasta | yeah |
| 00:19.05 | jasta | my point is though, he didn't just like he was guilty |
| 00:19.11 | jasta | he probably was :) |
| 00:19.14 | jasta | was/is |
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| 04:27.18 | muthu | mobeegal demo today.. woohooo! |
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| 05:01.33 | muthu | all the actions are in the forums apparently |
| 05:01.44 | f00f- | agreed |
| 05:01.50 | f00f- | who is this incognito guy? |
| 05:02.00 | muthu | i have my suspects |
| 05:02.12 | f00f- | guy in android-challenge that has the name Incognito |
| 05:02.13 | muthu | my search is not over yet ;) |
| 05:02.17 | f00f- | heh |
| 05:02.22 | muthu | haha |
| 05:02.27 | muthu | dont know |
| 05:02.31 | muthu | he says he doesn't come here |
| 05:03.10 | f00f- | seems like an cocky over-confident know-it-all judging from his few posts i've read |
| 05:03.23 | muthu | must be an experienced fellow |
| 05:03.28 | f00f- | sounds like it |
| 05:03.36 | muthu | right |
| 05:26.46 | muthu | http://mobilecrunch.com/2008/04/24/buzzd-secures-series-a-funding/ |
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| 05:55.08 | muthu | droids, are you awake? |
| 05:55.16 | michaelnovakjr | i am |
| 05:55.22 | muthu | haha |
| 05:55.28 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: you are always awake |
| 05:55.29 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 05:55.31 | michaelnovakjr | i know |
| 05:55.43 | michaelnovakjr | i am working on that :) |
| 05:55.43 | muthu | weatherphone is keeping you awake ;) |
| 05:55.48 | michaelnovakjr | wget |
| 05:56.19 | muthu | i'm wondering when Android would be opensource |
| 05:56.34 | muthu | so we can port it to our own little mobile phones |
| 05:56.49 | michaelnovakjr | when it is released i imagine |
| 05:56.57 | romainguy___ | be patient :) |
| 05:57.03 | muthu | romainguy_: cool |
| 05:57.12 | muthu | the reason is.. i'm getting tons of enquiries |
| 05:57.28 | muthu | and i'm saying the same thing.. be patient. |
| 05:57.32 | muthu | :) |
| 05:58.15 | muthu | one thing for sure |
| 05:58.28 | muthu | if google maintains its orginal vision for android |
| 05:58.43 | muthu | android will be running in every mobile device possible |
| 05:59.13 | muthu | it should also run on very low end devices, imho |
| 06:01.36 | muthu | i'm getting a feeling, i have unearthed something HUGE |
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| 06:07.50 | michaelnovakjr | muthu what have you unearthed? |
| 06:08.17 | muthu | if i said it it would be a shameless plug |
| 06:08.23 | muthu | haha |
| 06:08.30 | muthu | http://mobeegal.in |
| 06:08.57 | muthu | i have spammed this channel with enough of mobeegal already!! |
| 06:09.16 | muthu | but there you have it |
| 06:09.47 | muthu | darn, the forum folks are keeping me buys |
| 06:09.56 | muthu | *busy |
| 06:10.27 | muthu | jasta: where you been? |
| 06:10.31 | michaelnovakjr | smart |
| 06:10.54 | michaelnovakjr | i dig it |
| 06:11.13 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: cool |
| 06:11.27 | muthu | seriously it seems to pique people's interest |
| 06:11.50 | michaelnovakjr | i am curious to explore the interface |
| 06:12.02 | muthu | very early days, though |
| 06:12.19 | michaelnovakjr | how come you chose 6/30 for release? |
| 06:12.23 | michaelnovakjr | expecting handsets by then? |
| 06:12.36 | muthu | may be |
| 06:12.57 | muthu | but its only v1.0 |
| 06:13.06 | muthu | so must be demoable to interested folks |
| 06:13.14 | muthu | my plan is find a carrier to adopt it |
| 06:13.22 | michaelnovakjr | true.... will you be releasing it even if there are no handsets at that time? |
| 06:13.25 | muthu | and bundle it with their offerings |
| 06:13.52 | muthu | yes |
| 06:13.56 | michaelnovakjr | cool |
| 06:14.03 | muthu | to get feedback |
| 06:14.07 | muthu | from real users |
| 06:16.03 | muthu | if you want your product to be successful, get it out there in front of users |
| 06:16.06 | muthu | so that's the plan |
| 06:16.12 | michaelnovakjr | good plan |
| 06:16.27 | muthu | i have specific dates |
| 06:16.31 | muthu | and can't afford to miss them |
| 06:17.06 | michaelnovakjr | sounds like you have it all figured out :) |
| 06:17.18 | muthu | oh yes |
| 06:17.23 | muthu | figured it out |
| 06:17.47 | muthu | and also know its a tough road ahead |
| 06:17.55 | muthu | the struggle is with the team |
| 06:18.04 | muthu | you can't have your dream team, can you? |
| 06:18.10 | michaelnovakjr | sure you can |
| 06:18.15 | muthu | unless you are Google! |
| 06:18.16 | michaelnovakjr | that just takes time :) |
| 06:18.23 | muthu | money |
| 06:18.26 | michaelnovakjr | finding the right people is very hard |
| 06:18.30 | muthu | if you have funding you can |
| 06:18.34 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 06:18.41 | muthu | i've spend all mine |
| 06:18.53 | muthu | so working with the constrains as of now |
| 06:18.54 | michaelnovakjr | i never had any to begin with :) |
| 06:18.59 | muthu | haha |
| 06:19.01 | muthu | good problem to have |
| 06:19.02 | michaelnovakjr | running on pennies over at weatherphone :) |
| 06:19.25 | muthu | right, doesn't make sense to spend a huge fortune |
| 06:19.34 | muthu | you'll have to keep it small |
| 06:19.40 | muthu | when you start, then slowly expand |
| 06:19.48 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 06:19.59 | michaelnovakjr | i have had problems with my laptop |
| 06:20.12 | michaelnovakjr | other than that everything is smooth, so i can't complain |
| 06:20.19 | muthu | haha |
| 06:20.33 | michaelnovakjr | i am looking at getting a dell with ubuntu on it |
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| 06:20.50 | muthu | that would be cool |
| 06:21.12 | michaelnovakjr | indeed, i want to get it shipped with it because i hate microsoft |
| 06:21.32 | muthu | lot of microsoft haters |
| 06:22.04 | muthu | i don't hate them.. but i prefer going with opensource |
| 06:22.17 | muthu | when you have an option, why choose something expensive? |
| 06:22.21 | michaelnovakjr | i have never had luck with them |
| 06:22.39 | f00f- | this is such a cliche convesation :) |
| 06:22.44 | michaelnovakjr | i tell my family members I no longer support their windows machines :) |
| 06:22.50 | muthu | haha |
| 06:23.00 | muthu | that's the microsoft power |
| 06:23.03 | michaelnovakjr | i can't take anymore phone calls |
| 06:23.16 | muthu | they'll seize your family, take hostage ;) |
| 06:23.31 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 06:23.39 | muthu | f00f-: welcome to the conversation, throw in your bits |
| 06:23.53 | muthu | cliche works! |
| 06:23.57 | muthu | and its proven. |
| 06:24.29 | romainguy___ | is a happy user of both open source and proprietary software :) |
| 06:24.43 | muthu | romainguy_: that's the right mix |
| 06:24.51 | michaelnovakjr | ^ mac |
| 06:25.02 | romainguy___ | I do a lot of graphics oriented stuff |
| 06:25.09 | romainguy___ | and Open Source packages just don't do it :(( |
| 06:25.11 | michaelnovakjr | adobe? |
| 06:25.16 | romainguy___ | mostly yes |
| 06:25.24 | michaelnovakjr | same here |
| 06:26.02 | romainguy___ | there are also tons of small paying apps on Mac OS X that I just really enjoy |
| 06:26.17 | michaelnovakjr | textmate :) |
| 06:26.27 | romainguy___ | not my favorite, but I have a license :)) |
| 06:26.38 | michaelnovakjr | well, nothing beats emacs |
| 06:26.43 | romainguy___ | ahah |
| 06:26.50 | romainguy___ | except a good IDE :p |
| 06:27.14 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 06:27.19 | michaelnovakjr | i use emacs on linux :) |
| 06:27.25 | michaelnovakjr | for c programming |
| 06:27.57 | jasta | yawn |
| 06:28.16 | jasta | just 1 week left until the ADC winners are announced ;) |
| 06:28.17 | romainguy___ | speaking of which, I just wrote C code |
| 06:28.23 | romainguy___ | it's been a long time since I did that |
| 06:28.25 | michaelnovakjr | c :) |
| 06:28.33 | jasta | romainguy___: then you'd better have someone check it ;) |
| 06:29.06 | romainguy___ | especially since it's in adb :p |
| 06:29.07 | muthu | C - distant memories |
| 06:29.19 | michaelnovakjr | ah distant is no good |
| 06:29.20 | muthu | hope i don't see C again! |
| 06:29.21 | michaelnovakjr | i love C |
| 06:29.31 | muthu | yeah C is great |
| 06:29.37 | romainguy___ | it is |
| 06:29.44 | romainguy___ | but it depends on what you have to do |
| 06:29.50 | romainguy___ | I would certainly not write a UI with it |
| 06:29.54 | romainguy___ | (unlike some people here ;-) |
| 06:30.06 | f00f- | i'm toying with python for x-platform GUI's |
| 06:30.07 | michaelnovakjr | ::cough:: gtk ::cough:: |
| 06:30.15 | romainguy___ | PyQT is really cool |
| 06:30.23 | jasta | destroys romain with his awesome C-fu. |
| 06:30.29 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 06:30.33 | romainguy___ | dodges with a Bus Error |
| 06:30.40 | michaelnovakjr | haha |
| 06:30.42 | jasta | bus errors do not occur with valid C code. |
| 06:30.47 | romainguy___ | they just did |
| 06:30.48 | romainguy___ | twice |
| 06:30.53 | jasta | then your code isn't valid fool :) |
| 06:30.56 | romainguy___ | I was just dereferencing a NULL pointer :p |
| 06:30.57 | muthu | haha |
| 06:31.10 | michaelnovakjr | well obviously there's memory issues there |
| 06:31.13 | f00f- | i'm working on a nav/media system for an in-car computer and am considering pygame+pysdl+pyopengl |
| 06:31.15 | romainguy___ | but a crash with only "Bus Error" in the console, it's not very helpful ^^ |
| 06:31.31 | f00f- | C code is scary for GUI's :) |
| 06:31.39 | muthu | try CURSES |
| 06:31.43 | muthu | hehe |
| 06:31.49 | f00f- | heh |
| 06:31.59 | muthu | or is it CURSORS? |
| 06:32.03 | muthu | oh damn |
| 06:32.43 | jasta | it's curses. |
| 06:32.47 | muthu | right |
| 06:32.52 | jasta | or new curses. |
| 06:33.02 | muthu | cool, then my memory serves right |
| 06:33.36 | jasta | romainguy___: really, the problem is that C has just been abused *waaayyyy* too much :) |
| 06:34.29 | michaelnovakjr | jasta, that is because there's a lot of wrong people write C |
| 06:34.29 | jasta | compilers permit a lot of crud they should not. |
| 06:34.29 | michaelnovakjr | writing C |
| 06:34.29 | romainguy___ | michaelnovakjr: same for Java :p |
| 06:34.29 | michaelnovakjr | true |
| 06:34.30 | michaelnovakjr | verrrry true |
| 06:34.30 | romainguy___ | jasta: I don't mind that |
| 06:34.34 | romainguy___ | I'm more concerned about the C++ crowd :p |
| 06:34.43 | jasta | the ANSI C standard, in particular, is very elegant and if you write knowing it your experience will be much improved :) |
| 06:34.44 | michaelnovakjr | if you know how it is supposed to work then the compiler won't be fed 'crap' |
| 06:34.56 | jasta | romainguy___: oh, well, C++ all bets are off. that language is bogus. |
| 06:35.19 | jasta | with C++* |
| 06:36.32 | f00f- | i guess you'd prefer erlang or haskell :P |
| 06:38.49 | jasta | i'm gonna go to bed. |
| 06:38.59 | muthu | jasta: wait |
| 06:39.04 | muthu | the name? |
| 06:39.12 | muthu | what's your app name? |
| 06:39.17 | michaelnovakjr | five |
| 06:39.47 | muthu | jasta: was contemplating, did he finalize? |
| 06:40.06 | jasta | did i what? |
| 06:41.34 | muthu | jasta: name????? |
| 06:41.40 | jasta | my name? |
| 06:41.48 | muthu | your app name |
| 06:41.54 | jasta | michaelnovakjr already told you, five. |
| 06:42.02 | muthu | you said, you are changing it |
| 06:42.07 | muthu | i know the old name is 5 |
| 06:42.19 | jasta | no, i'm just probably going to give the music player specifically a name at some point. |
| 06:42.22 | jasta | five is the name of the system |
| 06:42.27 | jasta | but the player can and should have a different name |
| 06:42.34 | muthu | ok.. the player name? |
| 06:42.37 | jasta | i haven' |
| 06:42.41 | jasta | i haven't renamed it yet :) |
| 06:42.45 | muthu | hi5 |
| 06:42.47 | jasta | for now, it's titled Five Music |
| 06:42.54 | jasta | no, i won't call it hi5. that is sooooo lame ;) |
| 06:42.57 | muthu | haha |
| 06:43.01 | muthu | its a great name |
| 06:43.21 | muthu | name it |
| 06:43.24 | muthu | wi5 |
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| 09:22.09 | muthu | http://www.helloandroid.com/node/525 |
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| 09:32.59 | duey | stds aye |
| 09:33.06 | muthu | hey duey |
| 09:33.44 | muthu | STD = long distance calls |
| 09:34.18 | duey | pretty sure its not |
| 09:34.23 | muthu | haha |
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| 13:41.33 | vol_ | I have an IntentHandler. I want to create an intent using the Intent(Context, Class) constructor to call this Handler. Is it possible to register this handler via registerReciever? |
| 13:42.20 | vol_ | registerReceiver requires an IntentFilter, and it doesn't seem like IntentFilters will work with Intents created by setting the component |
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| 14:21.54 | vol_ | Argh, fuck |
| 14:21.56 | vol_ | this is rediculous |
| 14:22.02 | vol_ | has anyone else come across an eclipse bug |
| 14:22.09 | vol_ | where it simply refuses to accept that classes are where they are? |
| 14:22.21 | vol_ | projects that were previously just fine all of a sudden have compile errors |
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| 14:22.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | eclipse sucks |
| 14:22.35 | michaelnovakjr__ | i stopped using it |
| 14:22.43 | vol_ | I've NEVER had this problem before now in the last 3 years |
| 14:22.53 | ligi | michaelnovakjr__: me 2 |
| 14:23.01 | ligi | michaelnovakjr__: its tooooooo slow |
| 14:23.06 | ligi | michaelnovakjr__: using emacs here |
| 14:23.07 | michaelnovakjr__ | i don't have a need for it anymore |
| 14:23.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | hell yea ligi me too! |
| 14:23.29 | ligi | ;-) |
| 14:23.59 | ligi | i've not even looked at the eclipse android plugin |
| 14:24.38 | vol_ | well, I'll take this as a "no" then |
| 14:25.02 | ligi | vol_: ^^ |
| 14:29.13 | vol_ | Anyway, if either of you would like to answer my previous question about intentreceivers, I'd appreciate it |
| 14:29.46 | michaelnovakjr__ | i am using aidl |
| 14:30.15 | ligi | vol_: sorry couldnt answer that one - i have just one launch intend in my app yet |
| 14:31.10 | vol_ | actually, this didn't happen until I used the svn plugin for eclipse... |
| 14:31.17 | vol_ | I wonder if disabling it would help. |
| 14:31.54 | ligi | its worth a try |
| 14:33.39 | vol_ | also sigh, android shell doesn't have cp or move. |
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| 14:35.15 | vol_ | I have files in /data/data/foo.bar/files. My package is now foo.bar.baz, and I'm unable to play these files. Boo. |
| 14:35.59 | ligi | vol_: you can do cp |
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| 14:36.11 | ligi | vol_: cat source > destination |
| 14:36.21 | mnel_work | good morning |
| 14:36.27 | vol_ | hmm, good call. |
| 14:36.32 | ligi | vol_: for mv + rm |
| 14:36.48 | ligi | mnel_work: good evening |
| 14:37.25 | vol_ | shit. |
| 14:37.30 | vol_ | note to self: the > is important. |
| 14:37.37 | vol_ | BEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEPBEEP |
| 14:37.40 | ligi | lol |
| 14:37.52 | ligi | yes the > iss very important |
| 14:38.07 | ligi | vol_: but i had this problem too some times |
| 14:38.14 | ligi | jus hit enter to early |
| 14:38.32 | mnel_work | Think we'll see HTC announce android hardware next week? |
| 14:38.39 | ligi | i want a real bash - with tab completion and stuff |
| 14:38.44 | ligi | mnel_work: no |
| 14:38.51 | ligi | mnel_work: some blogs say so |
| 14:38.52 | vol_ | yeah, the lack of tab completion is a pain. |
| 14:39.17 | mnel_work | ligi: yeah, lots of rumors |
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| 14:39.39 | ligi | mnel_work: i want a phone too ... listening to all rumors |
| 14:40.16 | mnel_work | ligi: I'd even be happy with an unofficial phone that ran it well... |
| 14:40.32 | ligi | mnel_work: N810? |
| 14:41.16 | ligi | mnel_work: http://www.talkandroid.com/65-google-android-nokia-n810 |
| 14:42.07 | mnel_work | ligi: I've been considering that. |
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| 14:43.25 | vol_ | n810 isn't a phone though, unless I'm mistaken. |
| 14:43.31 | vol_ | my n800 isn't, at least :\ |
| 14:43.36 | ligi | vol_: we take everything |
| 14:43.37 | ligi | ^^ |
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| 14:43.58 | vol_ | eh. |
| 14:44.04 | mnel_work | ligi: sounds like it sort of works on some HTC hardware as well. |
| 14:44.13 | *** topic/#android by morrildl -> So many .apks, so little time. |
| 14:44.41 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl: i thought google hasn't announced a date for the winners? |
| 14:44.51 | michaelnovakjr__ | i thought it was in the 'near future' |
| 14:45.17 | morrildl | Well, we won't be providing dates for the winners. The only prize is cash |
| 14:45.24 | morrildl | oh wait |
| 14:45.26 | morrildl | ;) |
| 14:45.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 14:45.37 | michaelnovakjr__ | good one |
| 14:45.45 | morrildl | 5 May is the stated date |
| 14:45.56 | ligi | my silent hope iss that the google guys give a android-phone to the submission-authors wich are not under the first 50 ( or at least to the ones which are open-source - shouldnt be so much ;-) |
| 14:46.03 | morrildl | I can tell you we are working hard to hit it, and leaning on some of the less diligent judges :) |
| 14:46.33 | morrildl | ligi: believe me when I say we would love to be able to do that. |
| 14:46.36 | vol_ | I work pretty hard to hit it, too. |
| 14:46.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | well, good luck morrildl, i think so far on the public facing side of things it gone very well |
| 14:46.54 | morrildl | michaelnovakjr__: thanks :) |
| 14:46.55 | vol_ | not quite the same way as you |
| 14:47.00 | ligi | morrildl: i think it wouldn be bad for u either |
| 14:47.02 | ligi | ;-) |
| 14:47.29 | ligi | my submission only makes sense with a real device ^^ |
| 14:47.45 | morrildl | ligi: I think that's true of them all :) |
| 14:47.59 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha |
| 14:48.02 | vol_ | sigh. this is maddening. The only change I've made to this project is refactoring the package name. Now, my File Chooser is all of a sudden throwing null pointer exceptions! |
| 14:48.03 | ligi | ;-) |
| 14:48.11 | muthu | is may 5 confirmed? |
| 14:48.20 | vol_ | grumbles more |
| 14:48.29 | michaelnovakjr__ | yes morrildl: 5 May is the stated date |
| 14:48.34 | morrildl | muthu: I'm not sure what you mean by "confirmed", but that's always been the stated date |
| 14:48.40 | muthu | oh oh |
| 14:48.43 | michaelnovakjr__ | 'stated' |
| 14:49.00 | michaelnovakjr__ | they won't know i guess until they actually finish :) |
| 14:49.27 | morrildl | I think at one point David changed it to "week of", which not coicidentally was the day we looked in the submission queue and saw like 500 entries when there were still a couple weeks left :) |
| 14:49.45 | muthu | take your time |
| 14:49.49 | muthu | its better to judge them well |
| 14:49.51 | muthu | then to rush |
| 14:49.57 | michaelnovakjr__ | i'd rather them get it right than judge too fast |
| 14:50.11 | morrildl | muthu: yeah we agree |
| 14:50.19 | morrildl | But, we said 5 May, we're going to try to hit 5 May. |
| 14:50.22 | michaelnovakjr__ | i want to see some useful quality apps in that top 50 |
| 14:50.26 | michaelnovakjr__ | not eye candy |
| 14:50.35 | morrildl | michaelnovakjr__: oh there are :) |
| 14:50.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | i don't doubt that :) i've seen apps i think are excelletn |
| 14:50.55 | muthu | morrildl: are you categorizing winners? |
| 14:51.14 | muthu | like application type, submission type etc., |
| 14:51.18 | morrildl | muthu: nope |
| 14:51.23 | muthu | cool |
| 14:51.26 | morrildl | We didn't say we would, so that would be unfair |
| 14:51.33 | muthu | right |
| 14:51.43 | morrildl | if we get 49 games and 1 cooking app, we'll have to live with it :) |
| 14:51.51 | muthu | haha |
| 14:51.57 | muthu | that's the point i was trying to make |
| 14:52.05 | muthu | woah |
| 14:52.09 | morrildl | fortunately that's not at all the case |
| 14:52.24 | muthu | 1 cooking not bad, what you talking about? |
| 14:52.26 | muthu | ;) |
| 14:52.28 | michaelnovakjr__ | let's hope theres a weather app in there ;) |
| 14:52.37 | muthu | lol |
| 14:52.49 | ligi | hope there's an UFO app in there ;- |
| 14:53.03 | muthu | ok, droids here's my latest android love |
| 14:53.05 | muthu | http://helloandroid.com/node/525 |
| 14:53.21 | muthu | had a mobeegal demo |
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| 14:53.31 | muthu | with a SF company |
| 14:53.49 | muthu | one question they asked: when is android opensourced? |
| 14:54.09 | morrildl | muthu: very nice:) |
| 14:54.25 | muthu | morrildl: android is rocking already |
| 14:54.43 | muthu | people are excited in general |
| 14:54.51 | muthu | device manufactures etc., |
| 14:57.16 | muthu | android is going to run in more than mobile phones |
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| 14:57.19 | vol_ | morrildl: so there's a Cooking Mama app for android? |
| 14:57.26 | ligi | muthu: not to forgett us developers ^^ |
| 14:57.53 | muthu | ligi: oh yeah.. no android without us :) |
| 14:58.25 | morrildl | muthu: yeah, we are stoked |
| 14:58.30 | morrildl | This time is like TORTURE |
| 14:58.43 | morrildl | things are mostly nailed down, but we have to actually deliver a device :) |
| 14:58.53 | muthu | yeah do that soon |
| 14:58.54 | morrildl | so it's the "in between" time where everyone is waiting |
| 14:59.04 | muthu | yup, with a lot of questions |
| 14:59.22 | morrildl | vol_: maybe, but I don't mean a game, I mean actual cooking apps |
| 14:59.45 | muthu | vol_: haven't you heard about the wonderful cooking application that i did? |
| 14:59.47 | muthu | come on! |
| 14:59.50 | morrildl | I certainly haven't seen all the apps |
| 15:00.16 | muthu | my cooking app is a simple utility |
| 15:00.18 | muthu | it must win |
| 15:00.20 | muthu | if it does not |
| 15:00.25 | vol_ | morrildl: I know, I was joking. |
| 15:00.34 | muthu | then the judges are not human.. they are really droids!! |
| 15:00.35 | vol_ | muthu: I guess not |
| 15:00.42 | morrildl | vol_: anyway I'd rather have Diner Dash |
| 15:00.42 | ligi | morrildl: then what are you doing in IRC - LOOK AT THE APPS ;-) |
| 15:00.47 | vol_ | ha |
| 15:01.25 | muthu | ligi: it gets boring after watching a few apps |
| 15:01.27 | morrildl | ligi: I am not a judge, anyway :) |
| 15:01.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | :) |
| 15:01.47 | morrildl | muthu: oh no. no no. no sir. |
| 15:01.50 | morrildl | It doesn't get boring |
| 15:01.55 | morrildl | it is addictive :) |
| 15:02.06 | morrildl | added a "Show me a Random App" mode |
| 15:02.07 | muthu | haha |
| 15:02.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | you can send us judging info and we can confirm that for you haha ;) |
| 15:02.19 | morrildl | I did this for testing, to make sure that submissions work correctly and so on |
| 15:02.28 | morrildl | but I can tell you that it is super-easy to get sucked in :) |
| 15:02.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | i bet |
| 15:02.53 | morrildl | I laughed, I cried, I said "wtf?" more than once |
| 15:03.12 | muthu | it should be fun |
| 15:03.18 | ligi | morrildl: hehe - I can imagine that ,-) |
| 15:03.58 | muthu | morrildl: google must be already talking with enkin dudes |
| 15:04.05 | muthu | isn't it cool? |
| 15:04.16 | ligi | i think the WTF-Factor was very high with my submission - but its really usefull in the field when u know what this is all about |
| 15:04.48 | michaelnovakjr__ | enkin..... muthu i don't really see that as so amazing |
| 15:04.58 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: what's your pick? |
| 15:05.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | i dig jasta's media player........ i'd like to see screenshots of your LBS search engine, that sounds interesting |
| 15:05.51 | muthu | jasta: i nominate him without seeing his app |
| 15:05.59 | muthu | and he did a great job as expected |
| 15:06.14 | muthu | wait for mobeegal.. that'll rock your mobile world |
| 15:06.32 | michaelnovakjr__ | ....still waiting.... |
| 15:06.52 | muthu | the demo was impressive |
| 15:07.00 | muthu | the client liked it |
| 15:07.11 | morrildl | has not seen enkin's app, actually |
| 15:07.12 | muthu | i need a google like team though |
| 15:07.32 | muthu | morrildl: what? are you serious? |
| 15:07.34 | michaelnovakjr__ | morrildl: not really missing much |
| 15:07.54 | muthu | check it out right now.. it deserves to be seen |
| 15:08.07 | morrildl | well, I've seen the video |
| 15:08.11 | morrildl | I mean that I haven't seen their app running |
| 15:08.13 | muthu | oh ok |
| 15:08.26 | morrildl | And at the end of hte day, judges have to judge based on what got submitted |
| 15:08.33 | muthu | right |
| 15:08.44 | muthu | there were some submissions, which did only video |
| 15:08.46 | muthu | no apk |
| 15:08.52 | michaelnovakjr__ | really? |
| 15:08.57 | muthu | yeah |
| 15:09.01 | ligi | muthu: was that possible? |
| 15:09.04 | morrildl | ...and those submissions are not included in the 1,788 submissions |
| 15:09.09 | michaelnovakjr__ | are you serious..... how can you tell its even real? |
| 15:09.11 | ligi | lol |
| 15:09.13 | muthu | ok.. it might have been filtered |
| 15:09.14 | michaelnovakjr__ | haha good |
| 15:09.30 | muthu | i did like 10 videos ;) |
| 15:09.34 | ligi | they should have packed the video in the apk |
| 15:09.41 | muthu | lol |
| 15:09.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | or submitted an apk to prove it works |
| 15:10.07 | muthu | you know there's a lot of way we can trick the judges |
| 15:10.19 | muthu | if someone is smart, he can really pull it off |
| 15:10.33 | michaelnovakjr__ | i doubt the judges are stupid |
| 15:10.44 | ligi | i had problems making a video - i can't stand in front of a camera and be serios - i just made some little demonstrations without speaking http://www.vimeo.com/905980 |
| 15:11.06 | muthu | michaelnovakjr__: judges are not stupid, that's like saying users are stupid |
| 15:11.53 | michaelnovakjr__ | what i meant by that muthu is that i am sure the judges can sniff bs if its submitted.... or at least the googlers that filtered out the crap |
| 15:11.59 | vol_ | well, users ARE stupid. |
| 15:12.05 | vol_ | hence usability testing |
| 15:12.52 | muthu | hmm |
| 15:12.59 | muthu | users are stupid, and they can also be very smart |
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| 15:15.06 | muthu | morrildl: when the next SDK? |
| 15:15.20 | morrildl | muthu: as soon as I can get to it :) |
| 15:15.33 | muthu | ok.. it means after may 5 then |
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| 15:15.48 | ligi | with bluetooth then ?-) |
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| 15:21.28 | jasta | yawn |
| 15:29.25 | vol_ | Is there a programatic way to request that an application wait for the debugger to attach? |
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| 15:35.54 | Kraln | muthu: how's my server working out for you |
| 15:37.00 | muthu | Kraln: no issues |
| 15:37.05 | muthu | working great |
| 15:37.15 | Kraln | cool. let me know when you launch so I can start invoicing you |
| 15:37.16 | leiv | Hi, all. I have got a problem in running a android application, I run it in eclipse and it say: Failed to install xxx.apk on 'emulator-tcp-5555': Local file doesn't exist. |
| 15:37.23 | leiv | what should i do? |
| 15:37.23 | muthu | sure |
| 15:37.45 | muthu | Kraln: we have just set up, will take some more days to fully hit and test it |
| 15:37.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | leiv: don't use eclipse |
| 15:37.53 | Kraln | muthu: roger. |
| 15:37.59 | Kraln | I actually upped the cap on the machine to 20mbit |
| 15:38.05 | Kraln | so uh, you won't run into bandwidth issues |
| 15:38.12 | muthu | Kraln: woah.. thanks for the help buddy |
| 15:38.13 | jasta | leiv: try going to project -> clean |
| 15:38.20 | muthu | Kraln: you rock man! |
| 15:38.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | leiv: if you are on linux good luck. Mine wouldn't work after trying many many things |
| 15:39.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | i have only successfully used eclipse on a mac |
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| 15:39.11 | leiv | i work on Windows |
| 15:39.16 | Kraln | if the file doesn't exist there's a problem with the compilation |
| 15:39.24 | jasta | leiv: just clean the project first, as i said. |
| 15:39.25 | michaelnovakjr__ | just as bad as linux leiv |
| 15:39.46 | leiv | I'm trying jasta's method |
| 15:40.06 | jasta | then hit f5 to refresh it if it doesn't build automagically |
| 15:40.22 | jasta | then it should be fine. if not, check the project's path in the filesystem and make sure there is a bin/foo.apk |
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| 15:41.50 | lummie | anyone in ? |
| 15:42.00 | leiv | jasta:Conversion to Dalvik format failed with error 1,and there is no apk file in bin |
| 15:42.16 | michaelnovakjr__ | ...bug... |
| 15:42.49 | jasta | has it ever worked? |
| 15:42.57 | leiv | yes |
| 15:43.26 | leiv | the last time i use, it's works |
| 15:43.45 | jasta | is there anything you changed which would cause you to suspect this? |
| 15:43.56 | Kraln | check permissions |
| 15:44.27 | jasta | oh, wait |
| 15:44.28 | leiv | i changed jdk from 1.5 to 1.6, would this be a course? |
| 15:44.33 | jasta | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/f24b9a56712239e9/5cf1dbc4444a4a7a?#5cf1dbc4444a4a7a |
| 15:45.17 | jasta | specifically check the error details to see which file it freaked on. |
| 15:45.25 | jasta | it is probably that Thumbs.db file, esp if you are on Windows |
| 15:45.28 | jasta | but it may be anything else |
| 15:45.30 | lummie | Is there a way in the XML layouts to display an image at a size smaller than the resources ? e.g. with an Image view. I have a 64x64 png, that I want to dsiplay at 32x32 and setting the layout width/height or max width height doesn't effect it. |
| 15:45.54 | jasta | setting the layout_width and height *does* work. you've done something wrong. |
| 15:46.01 | lummie | damn |
| 15:46.07 | jasta | that said, don't ask ImageView to scale the image at runtime. scale it yourself and save the 32x32 version. |
| 15:46.56 | leiv | I have checked that there is no Thumbs.db |
| 15:47.13 | jasta | leiv: check the details of the error, as i said. let's try not to guess waht the file is. |
| 15:53.15 | leiv | http://pastebin.org/32783 |
| 15:54.35 | jasta | what is this line all about: |
| 15:54.35 | jasta | # |
| 15:54.36 | jasta | java.lang.IllegalArgumentException: already added: Lentagged/audioformats/AudioFile; |
| 15:54.40 | jasta | ? |
| 15:55.01 | leiv | i can't understand either |
| 15:55.47 | jasta | well, i have no idea. post to the android-developers group. |
| 15:55.55 | jasta | perhaps this is some new JDK1.6 crud that has confused Dalvik? |
| 15:56.16 | vol_ | Sigh. Ok, please point out the stupid flaw here. I'm trying to use PackageManager.getServiceInfo. So, I create a ComponentName with the params ("foo.bar.baz.service", "BazService" |
| 15:56.19 | vol_ | ) |
| 15:56.26 | vol_ | BazService lives in foo.bar.baz.service |
| 15:56.33 | vol_ | the base package is foo.bar.baz |
| 15:56.35 | jasta | ComponentName's have to be redundant |
| 15:56.41 | jasta | so, like: |
| 15:57.01 | leiv | thanks ,jasta |
| 15:57.04 | vol_ | oh, so it has to be "foo.bar.baz.service", "foo.bar.baz.service.BazService" ? |
| 15:57.32 | jasta | ComponentName("foo.bar.baz", "foo.bar.baz.service.BazService") |
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| 15:58.20 | vol_ | AH |
| 15:58.23 | vol_ | er, eh,. |
| 15:58.25 | vol_ | aosidjaiopsidja |
| 15:58.27 | vol_ | ah. |
| 15:59.21 | jasta | uhh |
| 16:00.01 | vol_ | yes, that was it, thanks |
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| 16:01.15 | vol_ | this brings me to the next issue. PackageManager.queryIntentServices confirms that my intent will match the service I'm trying to run |
| 16:01.27 | vol_ | but doing startService(intent, null) does.... nothing |
| 16:01.31 | vol_ | as far as I can tell, at least |
| 16:01.41 | vol_ | which is slightly frustrating since my other client/server app does this just fine :\ |
| 16:01.50 | vol_ | I'm just not sure what I'm missing here, since I can bind to it |
| 16:02.47 | jasta | vol_: well, what do you expect it to do and how have you tested that it does not do that? |
| 16:03.19 | vol_ | I've set breakpoints and logging output on onStart, onPause, and onCreate |
| 16:03.29 | vol_ | onCreate is hit when the service is bound |
| 16:03.38 | vol_ | but nothing else is ever hit |
| 16:03.56 | vol_ | I call startService inside of the onServiceConnected method of my ServiceConnection in the client |
| 16:03.58 | jasta | try invoking it by class, to be sure you have not screwed something else up |
| 16:04.04 | vol_ | I am invoking it by class |
| 16:04.16 | jasta | huh, you are starting two services right? |
| 16:04.18 | vol_ | Intent i = new Intent(MyClient.this, MyServer.class); |
| 16:04.32 | vol_ | no, same service. I'm binding to it, then starting it to keep it active in the background |
| 16:04.42 | vol_ | this way when the client closes the service continues to run |
| 16:04.44 | jasta | i have implemented this strategy differently |
| 16:04.55 | vol_ | if you can suggest a better way, please let me know |
| 16:05.01 | jasta | hang on, let me pull up my code |
| 16:05.44 | jasta | i wrote: |
| 16:05.59 | jasta | actually let me throw it on pastebin |
| 16:06.14 | vol_ | hmm. |
| 16:06.19 | jasta | http://pastebin.com/m5735c2e |
| 16:06.22 | vol_ | if I replace my bind code with just starting the service, ti works. |
| 16:06.24 | vol_ | *it |
| 16:07.43 | jasta | do note that there is a special relationship you construct with this code. specifically, being bound with BIND_AUTO_CREATE, the service cannot stop until the activity quits. |
| 16:08.05 | jasta | but if the activity quits, the server won't necessarily stop |
| 16:08.34 | vol_ | well, in the other app I made (music player) it did stop when the activity stopped |
| 16:08.50 | jasta | i assure you, it will not. check my code. |
| 16:09.28 | vol_ | I'm looking at your code. you're starting the service, then binding |
| 16:09.30 | jasta | if the service invokes stopSelf() at any point, it will stop when the BIND_AUTO_CREATE relationship disappears (the activity quits, or unbinds) |
| 16:09.40 | jasta | or if some other component calls stopService. |
| 16:09.42 | jasta | but not otherwise |
| 16:10.14 | jasta | the relatiosnhip i've setup here is a service that synchronizes in the background but that you can open an activity to spy on its progress |
| 16:10.31 | jasta | so it can continually start/bind to it even while it's already running (or not). |
| 16:10.36 | jasta | and disconnect at will and it will stay running. |
| 16:10.45 | jasta | but if the service finishes syncing, it will not forcefully disconnect |
| 16:10.56 | jasta | it'll wait until the activity quits to stop itself |
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| 16:11.22 | vol_ | hmm. |
| 16:11.41 | vol_ | What I did as a test was bind the service, then unbind it. The service stopped running. |
| 16:11.55 | jasta | and it would without startService |
| 16:11.57 | vol_ | I never called stopSelf, however. |
| 16:12.04 | vol_ | alright, I guess I misunderstood you |
| 16:12.17 | jasta | that's why i'm doing both. but i start the service first. |
| 16:12.36 | vol_ | ok, I will try it that way. |
| 16:12.55 | jasta | also do realize that BIND_AUTO_CREATE is important here |
| 16:14.46 | vol_ | yes, I've been using that |
| 16:14.57 | jasta | fyi, looking at this now, i have no idea why i create two intents |
| 16:15.08 | jasta | i must have refactored the code that way without realizing it |
| 16:16.35 | leiv | jasta:i have find the problem, that i defined a same class that has defined in a .jar file."already added: Lentagged/audioformats/AudioFile" is the class |
| 16:16.43 | leiv | :) |
| 16:18.06 | jasta | good :) |
| 16:20.37 | vol_ | Excellent, everything seems to be working correctly |
| 16:20.39 | vol_ | thanks jasta |
| 16:20.51 | jasta | np |
| 16:20.55 | jasta | off to work now |
| 16:22.35 | leiv | it's middlenight here,i'll go to sleep, bye michaelnovakjr__ , Kraln, jasta and all. |
| 16:23.24 | Kraln | night |
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| 17:05.32 | jasta | wow, the new Ubuntu release is pretty nice actually |
| 17:05.39 | jasta | Compiz is improved quite a bit |
| 17:05.42 | jasta | lots of polish around the edges |
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| 17:10.42 | Kraln | is there still no quick way to get to a terminal? |
| 17:10.53 | Kraln | does it still not work right with youtube.com out of the box? |
| 17:11.14 | jasta | well, i have a key binding to open a terminal and that still works |
| 17:11.15 | jasta | if thats what you mean |
| 17:11.24 | Kraln | I mean from the menus |
| 17:11.30 | Kraln | you have to dig deep for it |
| 17:11.36 | Kraln | and youtube? |
| 17:11.38 | jasta | accessories, terminal as its always been |
| 17:11.47 | Kraln | it's a great linux distro for people new to operating systems |
| 17:11.59 | Kraln | it's a terrible distro for power users or for people used to windows. |
| 17:12.14 | Kraln | there's still no good 'newb' linux distro |
| 17:12.38 | jasta | actually, i'm more of a power user than you've probably ever met. |
| 17:12.41 | jasta | and i like ubuntu |
| 17:13.03 | jasta | Firefox is actually one of the only GUI apps I use :) |
| 17:13.13 | jasta | and even then, I am familiar with and often use links ;) |
| 17:13.38 | Kraln | so why do you bother with ubuntu over debian? |
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| 17:13.51 | jasta | i use both debian and ubuntu, actually. i like both. |
| 17:13.59 | Kraln | that doesn't answer my question |
| 17:14.07 | Kraln | what do you like, as a power user, that ubuntu gives you that debian doesn't |
| 17:14.16 | jasta | though i find ubuntu makes me fight less when i try to install it on newer hardware |
| 17:14.47 | jasta | because they keep the kernel more up-to-date, more aggressively patched, and the restricted drivers system they employ works nice. |
| 17:15.21 | jasta | i'm installing the multiverse flashplugin package now btw |
| 17:15.25 | jasta | i'll let you know if it works |
| 17:15.35 | Kraln | did that install automagically when you went to youtube? |
| 17:15.44 | jasta | yup, worked perfect. |
| 17:15.52 | jasta | it opened an automagic box that asked me to next my way through it, yes |
| 17:16.06 | jasta | just like it would've in Windows |
| 17:16.30 | jasta | though i can't say that i like the new firefox. i'm not sure why they chose to put a beta version on here too |
| 17:16.44 | Kraln | firefox 3 beta 5? |
| 17:16.49 | jasta | yeah |
| 17:17.00 | Kraln | actually 3b5 looks/runs great on osx. very well integrated |
| 17:17.15 | romainguy___ | Kraln: the integration is still lacking on many aspects |
| 17:17.20 | jasta | right off the bat i'm struck that iGoogle looks stupid because the buttons and widgets from GTK are "shaped" |
| 17:17.22 | romainguy___ | but it's much better than it used to be |
| 17:17.48 | jasta | but they are not transparently shaped. they are a perfect gray rectangle with shaped buttons atop that ;) |
| 17:18.16 | jasta | i'm gonna test all these firefox performance claims and hit up google docs with a giant spreadsheet |
| 17:18.35 | jasta | yuck, the auto history bar that pops down when you start typing looks awful. way too cluttered. |
| 17:18.40 | jasta | and they use bold and underline! eww. |
| 17:19.01 | Kraln | romainguy: it's better. I still use safari |
| 17:19.23 | jasta | actually, performance in google docs does seem to be much improved with the new firefox |
| 17:19.25 | romainguy___ | I still use safari too |
| 17:19.31 | romainguy___ | when I need Gecko I turn to Camino |
| 17:20.00 | jasta | so, i guess my only problem from the dist-upgrade is that urxvt fonts don't look right. too much letter spacing. |
| 17:20.07 | jasta | but i used to have this problem before. i just don't remember how i solved it. |
| 17:20.16 | jasta | maybe there's some xft: rendering engine feature |
| 17:20.36 | Kraln | so why ubuntu over, say, opensuse |
| 17:20.50 | romainguy___ | and why not? |
| 17:20.56 | romainguy___ | Ubuntu offers a nice experience out of the box |
| 17:20.59 | romainguy___ | it just works |
| 17:21.05 | romainguy___ | it has a nice desktop |
| 17:21.12 | Kraln | he doesn't use the ui |
| 17:21.17 | romainguy___ | ah |
| 17:21.21 | romainguy___ | then he's not a power user :) |
| 17:21.33 | Kraln | I'm curious as to why as a 'more power user than I've ever met' he chooses ubuntu, is all |
| 17:21.38 | jasta | Ubuntu's package maintainers are much less stoned than Debian's, too. |
| 17:22.22 | jasta | Kraln: Power user doesn't mean I like wasting my time. If I liked that, I'd use Gentoo or RedHat. |
| 17:22.36 | jasta | Or Windows :) |
| 17:23.20 | jasta | I spent a lot of time fighting with Linux to learn it. Now that I've got that out of the way, it would just seem tedious to keep fighting. |
| 17:23.58 | romainguy___ | that reminds me what I first started using Linux |
| 17:24.11 | romainguy___ | making X run on 486 laptops was very very painful at the time :)) |
| 17:24.13 | Kraln | last time I had to mess with ubuntu it was nothing but fighting. especially to get audio working I had to compile up some kernels and soforth |
| 17:24.48 | Kraln | and, as far as 'just works' goes, I'm pretty happy with osx =) |
| 17:24.48 | mnel_work | romainguy___: I had X running on a 386 with 8mb of ram. It was terrible. :) |
| 17:25.00 | romainguy___ | mnel_work: a *laptop* |
| 17:25.08 | romainguy___ | the problem was getting X to work with the screen :) |
| 17:25.18 | mnel_work | neomagic? |
| 17:25.19 | Kraln | romainguy: I had a 486 touch-screen laptop tablet thingy |
| 17:25.23 | Kraln | that was a huge pita |
| 17:26.10 | romainguy___ | that said thing weren't that great a year ago when I tried Ubuntu again |
| 17:26.19 | romainguy___ | it was stuck in 1280x900 on my 30" |
| 17:26.22 | mnel_work | My old pentium laptop didn't have quite enough memory to do 800x600@16bit color, so in windows you could only do 8bit. In X, I was able to do a custom modeline at 800x576 and get my full 16bit color. :D |
| 17:26.53 | Kraln | romainguy: yeah, configuring X on ubuntu also required some custom asshattery three months ago when I set it up for the gf |
| 17:27.33 | mnel_work | Kraln: I had to do that for my media box, but I've got a rather weird configuration there. |
| 17:29.16 | jasta | my gf uses Ubuntu ;) |
| 17:29.53 | muthu | now we know why jasta uses ubuntu |
| 17:30.02 | jasta | actually, for simple users, it is much better than Windows. you fight with it a lot less for the basic e-mail and media. |
| 17:30.18 | Kraln | jasta: if they've never seen windows |
| 17:30.22 | Kraln | otherwise it's just confusing |
| 17:30.25 | jasta | also, for some reason my girlfriend *loves* when it has updates. a nd it has updates like every other day. |
| 17:30.44 | Kraln | seen this? http://contentconsumer.wordpress.com/2008/04/27/is-ubuntu-useable-enough-for-my-girlfriend/ |
| 17:30.48 | jasta | Kraln: i wouldn't agree with that. |
| 17:30.55 | jasta | mostly, it is very similar to Windows. |
| 17:31.12 | jasta | in terms of its basic user experience assumptions. you can double click on things. menus do the same thing. right click usually does something. |
| 17:31.49 | Kraln | "where's the internet" |
| 17:32.11 | jasta | maybe my girlfriend is just not as retarded as most |
| 17:32.20 | muthu | linux is not yet ready for gf yet |
| 17:32.21 | Kraln | don't denegrate users like that |
| 17:32.45 | Kraln | as a side note, I advocate two tiers of internet (not like the telcos) |
| 17:32.54 | Kraln | one where users can't harm themselves |
| 17:33.03 | Kraln | and then you have to take a test to get to the real internet |
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| 17:33.19 | muthu | mostly the real problem with linux is applications |
| 17:33.29 | jasta | this is such a silly conversation though |
| 17:33.38 | jasta | i mean really. |
| 17:34.00 | jasta | do our opinions even matter to one another? |
| 17:34.03 | Kraln | no =) |
| 17:34.09 | muthu | haha |
| 17:34.17 | jasta | i mean do any of you really care what i think? do i really care what you think? :) |
| 17:34.23 | muthu | no |
| 17:34.26 | muthu | :) |
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| 17:34.51 | jasta | so, have you guys seen this: |
| 17:35.08 | Kraln | has seriously considered making an ubuntu derivative that names the applications for what they do and not what their authors think you should call them |
| 17:35.12 | jasta | http://xkcd.org/416/ |
| 17:35.30 | muthu | Kraln: go for it, make it simple and easy |
| 17:36.09 | muthu | jasta: funny |
| 17:36.35 | edcba | mixing xkcd.org & xkcd.com domains... |
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| 18:25.45 | jasta | eclim is so sweet :) |
| 18:29.30 | davidw | what's that? |
| 18:33.33 | jasta | davidw: it lets Vim hook into Eclipse features |
| 18:33.37 | jasta | using a headless Eclipse server |
| 18:33.53 | jasta | then it just defines a bunhc of vim commands and mappings to do all the magic eclipse does |
| 18:34.02 | davidw | scary |
| 18:34.16 | Kraln | weird |
| 18:34.16 | jasta | it's pretty elegant really. eclipse was designed to run like this. |
| 18:34.36 | davidw | sounds like one of those things like "your problem: you have to use eclipse. Answer? vim+eclipse. Now you have two problems" |
| 18:35.23 | Kraln | three. |
| 18:36.12 | Kraln | I'm playing with something called wallsaver. it makes my background run whatever screensaver I want |
| 18:36.19 | Kraln | and in osx? it looks really, really pretty. |
| 19:04.43 | jasta | Kraln: compiz has a plugin that does that |
| 19:05.07 | jasta | http://tombuntu.com/index.php/2007/09/14/animated-wallpaper-with-compiz-fusion-on-ubuntu/ |
| 19:06.09 | Kraln | are you kidding? |
| 19:06.16 | Kraln | you could use any application as the root window in X for years |
| 19:06.30 | jasta | Kraln: Yes, but this is accelerated through Compiz |
| 19:06.43 | jasta | previously, this approach would hardly work at all |
| 19:07.06 | jasta | things like translucent terminals would look hideous ;) |
| 19:07.26 | Kraln | yeah, everything is gorgeous - my im client and the dock and irc and everything are transparent |
| 19:07.39 | Kraln | so my snowflake screensaver is just very soothing |
| 19:14.49 | michaelnovakjr__ | Kraln: on mac? |
| 19:15.14 | jasta | Kraln: i just tried that and it is really, really, *REALLY* distracting :) |
| 19:15.26 | jasta | you'd need a background that is *very* subtle |
| 19:15.31 | jasta | like trees gently blowing in the wind would be nice |
| 19:15.47 | michaelnovakjr__ | might put you to sleep on your keyboard |
| 19:16.04 | michaelnovakjr__ | you can put an animated window in your cube :)\ |
| 19:16.38 | michaelnovakjr__ | now theres an idea! |
| 19:16.52 | jasta | the coolest thing about compiz is that the engine is pretty flexible. you could do lots of bizarre stuff with it :) |
| 19:17.11 | michaelnovakjr__ | create a picture frame like device and program it to animate the identical weather for a location you set.... ie where you are :) |
| 19:17.20 | michaelnovakjr__ | that way you feel like you are looking out a real window |
| 19:17.57 | mnel_work | or you could do that infinitely recursive mirror effect... |
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| 19:21.18 | Kraln | jasta: that's what I've got. |
| 19:21.41 | Kraln | ooh! it'd be cool to make it use the camera on the laptop |
| 19:21.45 | Kraln | so that the screen surface is a mirror |
| 19:21.48 | Kraln | except for the windows |
| 19:24.58 | jasta | Kraln: trees blowing in the wind? |
| 19:25.31 | Kraln | something 'very' subtle |
| 19:25.35 | Kraln | snowflakes on a light blue field |
| 19:27.14 | mnel_work | Kraln: thousands of little virtual cubicle workers toiling away at compiling your programs... |
| 19:27.34 | Kraln | mnel_work: the amount of snowflakes is directly proportional to cpu load |
| 19:28.08 | mnel_work | Kraln: will each snowflake be unique? |
| 19:28.37 | Kraln | this is not a will, this is an is. they're fractally generated |
| 19:29.20 | mnel_work | ah |
| 19:34.36 | f00f- | heh |
| 19:34.48 | f00f- | where are the virtual cubicle workers that are generating the snoflwakes? |
| 19:37.07 | mnel_work | f00f-: no snowflakes, jsut virtual cubicle workers that you can sit and watch and "organize". |
| 19:41.11 | jasta | Kraln: you know what would make a great animated background? |
| 19:44.55 | jasta | http://www.gnome-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/52958-NightOfUbuntu_1600x1200.jpg |
| 19:45.06 | jasta | if that tree blew in the wind and those little snowflakes rotated and fluttered to the ground |
| 19:45.10 | jasta | very gently |
| 19:45.34 | jasta | that would be so incredibly relaxing :) |
| 19:47.30 | dims | jasta: that's beautiful! |
| 19:48.19 | jasta | that's my current background (for one head) |
| 19:48.34 | jasta | the other head uses water-fire, which you can find pretty easily by googling |
| 19:48.48 | jasta | it's just that candle flame retextured to look like water |
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| 19:53.32 | f00f- | jasta: ooh, that is the ubuntu tree with a different color :) |
| 19:54.16 | dims | i usually pick something up from here - http://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ |
| 19:54.30 | dims | (see Archive link at the bottom) |
| 19:58.36 | jasta | i love apod |
| 19:58.43 | jasta | i have hte apod module in igoogle |
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