| 00:00.57 | Dougie187 | How is everyone on this fine evening/; |
| 00:01.19 | Dougie187 | or morning, depending on where you are. |
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| 01:05.02 | duey | more hits |
| 01:05.41 | Dougie187 | ohh |
| 01:05.45 | Dougie187 | its because its the weekend |
| 01:05.51 | Dougie187 | so a lot more testing is being done now. |
| 01:06.02 | duey | 3 so far |
| 01:06.06 | Dougie187 | nice |
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| 20:52.20 | jjt001 | hello |
| 20:52.34 | jjt001 | anyone home? |
| 20:55.14 | jjt001 | jasta: you here? |
| 20:55.54 | jjt001 | f00f-: xocholo? |
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| 21:17.09 | cliff | is there a way to put a set of views into a 'group' of sorts (child nodes in xml) so that i could apply a position offset to all of them at once? |
| 21:17.48 | cliff | also..is there an invisible hit detector view? Or would i just make one with a fully alpha ImageView? |
| 21:29.10 | jasta | jjyes |
| 21:29.16 | jasta | err, jtt: yes, but he's not here |
| 21:29.50 | jasta | cliff: for the first question, yes, you'd probably want an AbsoluteLayout contained within some other sort of layout |
| 21:29.53 | jasta | or your own layout if you'd like |
| 21:29.58 | cliff | yeah... |
| 21:29.59 | jasta | for the second, what are you talking about? |
| 21:30.02 | jasta | a hit detector? |
| 21:30.13 | cliff | i just got it working with just an absolutelayout in another absolutelayout |
| 21:30.21 | cliff | and then setting android:layout_x and y |
| 21:30.25 | cliff | in the inner layout |
| 21:30.32 | cliff | so, hit detector..sorry like |
| 21:30.38 | jasta | you want to be careful about using an outer absolutelayout btw |
| 21:30.41 | cliff | oh? |
| 21:31.03 | cliff | i want a region of the window to do something when i click, but it's not bound to a specific asset |
| 21:31.13 | cliff | maybe i can do it with an onclick handler of the viewgroup |
| 21:31.51 | jasta | you could do it with a <Button>. |
| 21:32.03 | cliff | can you set the button to be invisible? |
| 21:32.06 | cliff | (but clickable) |
| 21:32.16 | jasta | with android:background=@null |
| 21:32.20 | jasta | and no text |
| 21:32.24 | cliff | oh...interesting. |
| 21:32.26 | jasta | it would have nothing to draw, but it'd still be there. |
| 21:32.27 | cliff | thanks :) |
| 21:32.29 | cliff | right |
| 21:32.31 | jasta | you'd need to define a width/height |
| 21:32.35 | cliff | yeah. |
| 21:32.52 | cliff | why careful about outer absolutelayout? |
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| 21:33.15 | jasta | the idea of android's layouts is that you can specify, generally, layouts that will work well for different screen configurations. |
| 21:33.23 | cliff | oh..that's not an issue for me |
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| 21:33.31 | cliff | but i understand |
| 21:33.36 | jasta | while they offer you the ability to define separate layouts for different screens, they do also offer you a way to do this generically. |
| 21:33.50 | jasta | and that involves avoiding AbsoluteLayout for your outer layout |
| 21:33.55 | cliff | i have a highly customized layout for a specific device |
| 21:34.14 | jasta | right, but do you suppose that your app can be usable on other types of screens? |
| 21:34.19 | cliff | no umm.. |
| 21:34.21 | cliff | specific device |
| 21:34.34 | cliff | it won't run on others (without reworking the UI) |
| 21:34.39 | jasta | well, i can't say specifically but i suspect you are being too narrow. |
| 21:35.09 | jasta | well that's my point: you should at least consider whether it makes sense that your app could function on other types of devices. if it makes sense, then you should design your layouts in such a way that will work. |
| 21:35.22 | jasta | but whatever, this is just a warning for you. |
| 21:35.26 | cliff | nono, i understand :) |
| 21:35.47 | cliff | thanks for your help. |
| 21:36.06 | jasta | back to my project now :) |
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| 21:39.10 | jasta | jjt001: i am here, btw |
| 21:39.26 | jjt001 | cool |
| 21:39.29 | jjt001 | got any hits? |
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| 21:39.51 | jjt001 | duey: helo |
| 21:39.54 | duey | hi |
| 21:39.59 | jjt001 | got any hits yet? |
| 21:40.09 | duey | yeah a few |
| 21:40.20 | jjt001 | nice |
| 21:40.28 | jasta | jjt001: yes. |
| 21:40.34 | jjt001 | how many? |
| 21:40.35 | duey | 5 |
| 21:40.38 | duey | i have 5 |
| 21:40.50 | jjt001 | i have 2 |
| 21:41.13 | jjt001 | duey: what was your app? |
| 21:41.20 | duey | rosetta |
| 21:41.34 | jasta | it looked like i had 1 judge connect |
| 21:41.36 | jjt001 | that's right, translation] |
| 21:41.44 | jjt001 | yeah, same here |
| 21:41.59 | jjt001 | with the ip 24.x.x.x |
| 21:42.01 | jasta | but it's hard to say with my app, and unfortunately due to a bug in the emulator only one can truly function with it at a time |
| 21:42.18 | jjt001 | yeah |
| 21:42.21 | jasta | it wouldn't fail catastrophically, it just would do something a bit awkward during the sync |
| 21:42.34 | jjt001 | but you only have log of one judge? |
| 21:42.36 | jasta | it's because the emulator has IMEI:0, and my server keys on IMEI |
| 21:42.45 | jjt001 | right |
| 21:43.03 | jjt001 | my server actually had an error in it when the first judge tried to access |
| 21:43.09 | jasta | jjt001: Yeah, looks like it. Only one completed sync and then transmission of media to only 1 host. |
| 21:43.12 | jjt001 | but i fixed it before the other judges came by |
| 21:43.28 | jjt001 | ok |
| 21:43.41 | jjt001 | i guess we might see more activity later this week |
| 21:45.22 | jjt001 | did you get an ip of 24.x.x.x? |
| 21:46.07 | jasta | my server doesn't log the IP |
| 21:46.14 | jjt001 | oh ok |
| 21:46.18 | jjt001 | duey: what about you? |
| 21:46.48 | jjt001 | jasta: you think judging will continue until end of next week? |
| 21:47.13 | jasta | yes |
| 21:47.44 | jjt001 | great |
| 21:48.30 | jjt001 | are you working on any open source projects? |
| 21:50.58 | jasta | my adc app is [going to be] an open source project. |
| 21:58.00 | duey | jjt001: im not going to annouce what ips they are coming from... |
| 22:04.14 | poffy_ | Has romainguy or the other google dev on here said anything about the new SDK? |
| 22:04.36 | duey | poffy_: they never do |
| 22:04.54 | poffy_ | k |
| 22:07.30 | jerkface03 | poffy_: if you complain about something long enough, they'll add it in. |
| 22:07.34 | jerkface03 | lol |
| 22:07.56 | romainguy_ | jerkface03: not necessarily |
| 22:08.19 | jerkface03 | romainguy_: So you mean it wasn't my constant whining about NIO that got NIO added in? |
| 22:08.32 | romainguy_ | lol, no :) |
| 22:08.48 | duey | i want bufferedimage |
| 22:08.50 | duey | ! |
| 22:08.56 | jerkface03 | lol |
| 22:08.59 | romainguy_ | why do you want bufferedimage? |
| 22:09.39 | duey | so at some stage i can port my ocr stuff to on-device without to much effort |
| 22:09.55 | duey | i understand bufferedimage uses the GPU? |
| 22:10.00 | romainguy_ | no |
| 22:10.05 | duey | hmm i read somewhere |
| 22:10.08 | romainguy_ | only where they are in managed mode |
| 22:10.15 | romainguy_ | and even so, it is not guaranteed |
| 22:10.23 | duey | yeah thats it |
| 22:10.36 | romainguy_ | cf Chapter 4 of my book :)) |
| 22:10.47 | romainguy_ | VolatileImages are GPU accelerated |
| 22:10.51 | romainguy_ | but it helps only for blitting |
| 22:11.07 | duey | my ocr stuff does a heap of convolutions |
| 22:11.16 | romainguy_ | then a managed image would not gain you anything |
| 22:11.21 | duey | i made my own image classes but its slow |
| 22:11.30 | duey | (compared to that of buffered image) |
| 22:11.57 | romainguy_ | BufferedImage convolve ops use fast native routines |
| 22:12.03 | romainguy_ | even better |
| 22:12.29 | romainguy_ | I pestered the Java2D team so much about this that in Java 6u10, some convolve ops are accelerated with OpenGL/DirectX shaders |
| 22:13.02 | romainguy_ | what you need on a device is OpenGL ES 2 with shaders support ;) |
| 22:13.12 | duey | :D |
| 22:13.16 | poffy_ | romainguy_, new SDK? |
| 22:13.22 | poffy_ | plzzzzzzz |
| 22:13.25 | romainguy_ | poffy_: what about it? |
| 22:13.30 | poffy_ | when can we have it? |
| 22:13.38 | poffy_ | Remember the AnimationDrawable |
| 22:13.39 | poffy_ | ? |
| 22:13.49 | poffy_ | I took a break from Android-side stuff to work on server side stuff |
| 22:13.53 | romainguy_ | I cannot tell you, ask Dan Morrill |
| 22:13.55 | poffy_ | and now, I'm ready to do Android-side |
| 22:13.58 | poffy_ | k |
| 22:16.27 | jasta | Dan won't be able to tell you either, he's just throwing up a diversion ;) |
| 22:17.17 | duey | i am pretty sure i told him they won't say a thing |
| 22:17.45 | jasta | poffy_: your only option is patience. |
| 22:19.56 | poffy_ | I understand |
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| 23:44.28 | Kraln | poffy_: : hi |
| 23:47.32 | jjt001 | Kraln: hellop |
| 23:47.47 | jjt001 | good old friend |
| 23:47.55 | jjt001 | would you like to test my app now? |
| 23:48.06 | Kraln | still no sdk. I've been busy, ask poffy |
| 23:48.08 | jjt001 | you've probably reinstalled the sdk at this point? |
| 23:48.18 | jjt001 | ok, no problem |
| 23:48.26 | jjt001 | poffy_: can you test my app? |
| 23:48.37 | jjt001 | Kraln: did your server get an judge hits? |
| 23:49.55 | Kraln | haven't logged in to checl |
| 23:49.57 | Kraln | check* |
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