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| 01:46.59 | jasta | scratches his head and attempts to ponder a way to determine album uniqueness when various artists are involved |
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| 02:57.21 | jasta | i bet Google is getting ready for another release. |
| 02:57.33 | jasta | it's been real quiet in here from the google folks :) |
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| 03:35.24 | dueynz | whens the compo finsih |
| 03:35.27 | dueynz | i should start |
| 03:35.34 | jasta | apr 14th is the round 1 deadline |
| 03:35.43 | dueynz | oshit |
| 03:35.52 | dueynz | meh probably won't enter |
| 03:36.07 | jasta | i would be surprised if you could "throw together" an app in time. |
| 03:36.10 | jasta | ...very surprised :) |
| 03:36.35 | dueynz | i would be able to |
| 03:36.48 | dueynz | just to many assignments due on or around thatdate |
| 03:37.19 | dueynz | ill release it in august |
| 03:37.31 | dueynz | i have to have it completed by then |
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| 03:38.44 | jasta | even having no responsibilities whatsoever it would be difficult to put together a winning submission in this short a time frame. |
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| 03:39.04 | dueynz | doubt it |
| 03:39.08 | jasta | if your app is really so miserably trivial, then why would it win? |
| 03:39.23 | dueynz | because i doubt they are looking for something fine tuned |
| 03:39.53 | jasta | I think you might be surprised by how many quality submissions are going to be available by Apr 14th. |
| 03:40.04 | dueynz | soon see i guess :) |
| 03:40.10 | jasta | some developers, unlike yourself, do not wait until 2 weeks before the deadline to get started. |
| 03:40.12 | dueynz | probably won't enter anyway |
| 03:40.25 | dueynz | 2 weeks is my usual deadline time |
| 03:40.28 | dueynz | used to it |
| 03:41.05 | jasta | you have a scalability problem then, sir. |
| 03:41.10 | dueynz | haha |
| 03:41.31 | dueynz | ill throw it together tonight and do the testing tomorrow |
| 03:41.56 | jasta | well, if you feel that gives you a fair chance at the prize, go for it. |
| 03:42.21 | dueynz | im not after the prize |
| 03:42.27 | dueynz | im after feedback |
| 03:42.35 | jasta | Google is unlikely to provide you with any feedback. |
| 03:42.40 | dueynz | meh |
| 03:42.56 | jasta | Given the volume of submissions, I suspect the only feed back you will receive is a $25,000 check. |
| 03:43.04 | jasta | ...or nothing. |
| 03:43.30 | dueynz | i am assuming round 2 involves implementation of suggestions considering the minimal timeframe in between |
| 03:43.40 | dueynz | or something along those lines |
| 03:43.54 | jasta | I think your assumptions are inconsistent with the reality of non-trivial software design. |
| 03:44.10 | dueynz | well they want to use these apps to advertise the product right? |
| 03:44.55 | jasta | That seems like a sensible goal, yes. I, nor you, know precisely what they want however. |
| 03:45.14 | dueynz | ok well if you read the TOS it says something along the lines of using the app to promote the platform |
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| 03:45.43 | jasta | It says that you grant them the right to do so. You can infer from that that they wish to use it for such purposes, but that is not a fact. |
| 03:45.45 | dueynz | so it would make sense to give people feedback, such as interface design specs such that all the apps are somewhat consistant |
| 03:46.43 | jasta | It would not make sense to give feedback for every or even most projects, nor would it be fair to give feedback to winning submissions as they will then be in competition for the extra prizes. |
| 03:47.18 | jasta | Only after the challenge is complete would it make sense for Google to intervene significantly. |
| 03:47.29 | dueynz | well we don't know what the second compo is |
| 03:47.41 | dueynz | it might be best implementation of feedback :) |
| 03:47.45 | jasta | This is not, as you assume, an episode of American Idol. |
| 03:48.04 | dueynz | who said I am assuming that? |
| 03:48.18 | jasta | dueynz: What second "compo"? The first round is the qualifying round; if you do not win it, you are ineligible to win the next round. |
| 03:48.36 | dueynz | second round then |
| 03:49.18 | jasta | Do you mean the second ADC? |
| 03:49.25 | jasta | There will be two, each with 2 rounds. |
| 03:49.32 | dueynz | no |
| 03:49.40 | dueynz | i mean the second round of this competition |
| 03:50.49 | dueynz | jasta: I have to do this project for whether I am in the competition or not |
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| 03:52.58 | dueynz | the problem is my project heavily relies on the camera |
| 03:53.25 | dueynz | and content in the photos that the camera takes |
| 03:53.45 | dueynz | so i can't do that part of the project until a working camera emulator is available |
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| 04:29.39 | jasta | Hmm, there apparently is a very low practical limit on the depth of our XML layouts. |
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| 04:36.07 | muthu | what's the depth? |
| 04:38.48 | B0jangles | depth, as in, number of nested elements? |
| 04:39.05 | muthu | i think that's what he means |
| 04:39.06 | jasta | yeah |
| 04:39.11 | jasta | looks like this is a known problem. |
| 04:39.11 | B0jangles | how many? |
| 04:39.14 | jasta | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/277e81c07591219f/d3f4a073b375c9e5?#d3f4a073b375c9e5 |
| 04:39.22 | muthu | how many? how many? |
| 04:39.32 | B0jangles | hmm |
| 04:39.33 | B0jangles | 6? |
| 04:39.50 | B0jangles | Does it only happen with ViewGroups? |
| 04:39.57 | muthu | 6 - 9? |
| 04:40.08 | B0jangles | Yeah, I guess 6-9 |
| 04:40.10 | B0jangles | huh |
| 04:40.20 | B0jangles | I haven't gotten more than 3 or 4 I think |
| 04:40.41 | jasta | ViewGroups are the basis for every type of layout. |
| 04:40.49 | muthu | mostly i stop at 3 |
| 04:40.55 | jasta | and the only type that can have nested views. |
| 04:41.06 | B0jangles | Ah, yes, I suppose that's correct |
| 04:41.07 | muthu | haven't had any real need to go beyond 3 |
| 04:41.15 | jasta | I'm thinking that my problem is coming from the fact that I use ViewInflate.inflate() a lot, which adds 1 extra layer each time totally unnecessarily |
| 04:41.23 | muthu | oh.. ok |
| 04:41.36 | jasta | since their API is kind of stupidly broken there. |
| 04:42.03 | jasta | i guess they have addressed that in the next SDK, though. |
| 04:42.05 | muthu | lately we are getting interesting replies in the group |
| 04:42.26 | B0jangles | such as? |
| 04:42.27 | muthu | if you have a bug in the api, you can just mock it up |
| 04:42.38 | muthu | but let them know what the bug is |
| 04:42.51 | muthu | if you have real limitations with the sdk.. whatever it might be |
| 04:42.55 | muthu | gps.. et al |
| 04:44.43 | jasta | sigh |
| 04:44.47 | jasta | looks for hackish ways to work around this |
| 04:46.57 | poffy | k guyz. Who wants to help me with some animation crap? :O |
| 04:47.41 | muthu | i've been asked to do animation.. but have been kicked behind for my lack of skills |
| 04:47.45 | muthu | go on poffy |
| 04:47.53 | poffy | k |
| 04:47.56 | poffy | let me paste some stuff |
| 04:48.10 | jasta | use a pastebin please :) |
| 04:48.14 | poffy | I am |
| 04:48.20 | poffy | heh |
| 04:48.22 | poffy | I don't channel flood |
| 04:48.39 | poffy | http://rafb.net/p/DUPMLr13.html |
| 04:48.44 | poffy | That's my drawable xml file |
| 04:48.52 | poffy | I'm using the new animation stuff |
| 04:48.56 | muthu | irc should be like twitter.. it must auto link to pastebin |
| 04:49.20 | poffy | http://rafb.net/p/m4S71H62.html |
| 04:49.24 | poffy | That's my custom view |
| 04:50.59 | poffy | What happens when I click on the screen, is it just displays the first frame |
| 04:51.07 | poffy | rather than the animation |
| 04:51.56 | jasta | I told you to search the Android issue list :) |
| 04:52.02 | poffy | I did |
| 04:52.11 | poffy | Just brought me back to the old stuff |
| 04:52.12 | poffy | that doesn't work |
| 04:52.44 | muthu | poffy did you try the build in view |
| 04:52.45 | jasta | I had this same problem as discussed here: |
| 04:52.53 | muthu | viewflipper |
| 04:53.09 | poffy | Viewfliiper? |
| 04:53.20 | muthu | yeah.. very easy to animate |
| 04:54.48 | jasta | http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=350 |
| 04:55.21 | jasta | See the most recent comment I just made discussing the work-around. |
| 04:55.55 | poffy | setAnimationCache |
| 04:55.57 | poffy | l |
| 04:55.58 | poffy | k |
| 04:59.14 | B0jangles | j |
| 04:59.34 | muthu | l |
| 04:59.44 | jasta | h |
| 04:59.51 | poffy | jasta, what class does setAnimatinoCacheEnabled belong to? |
| 04:59.56 | jasta | so, was that a vim joke, or just a keyboard locality joke? |
| 05:00.16 | B0jangles | uh, it was an alphabetical joke for me |
| 05:00.20 | jasta | poffy: If you look at the code, it should be obvious to you. |
| 05:00.31 | _avatar | i have what appears to be unbounded memory growth in my application; i'm monitoring the heap size and object count in DDMS... is there any way to determine how many and what types of objects are alive in a running process? |
| 05:00.32 | jasta | well, mine was a vim joke. therefore, better. :) |
| 05:00.50 | jasta | _avatar: you aren't using Base64Utils.decodeBase64() are you? :) |
| 05:00.53 | B0jangles | :wq |
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| 05:01.13 | _avatar | jasta: haha, no. i worked around that leak by using a 3rd party base64 decoder ;) |
| 05:01.33 | jasta | are you certain not to have any circular references in your code? |
| 05:01.39 | jasta | or lingering references? |
| 05:01.56 | B0jangles | dangling references? |
| 05:02.05 | B0jangles | disaffected references? |
| 05:02.34 | muthu | zombies |
| 05:02.43 | _avatar | i'm not certain, but i try to stay very careful about not creating circular references. i thought java's GC was smart enough to clean circular references? |
| 05:02.46 | _avatar | what are lingering references? |
| 05:02.55 | jasta | yay, i worked around my depth problem by just adjusting one usage of ViewInflate.inflate to attach its children. |
| 05:02.59 | _avatar | sorry, I'm by no means a java expert |
| 05:03.38 | B0jangles | I hate zombies |
| 05:03.39 | _avatar | i suppose google could answer my lingering reference question |
| 05:04.07 | muthu | avatar: are you doing any threads? |
| 05:04.39 | _avatar | muthu: yes, i am |
| 05:05.26 | muthu | hmm.. threads if you are not careful will run amok |
| 05:05.39 | B0jangles | just like zombies |
| 05:05.40 | _avatar | hrm, in what sense? |
| 05:06.16 | muthu | what do you do in your thread? |
| 05:07.03 | _avatar | various things, i have more than 1 worker thread somtimes. one example is a work queue. i post work items and they are processed in the background |
| 05:08.04 | _avatar | that answer's probably to vague to be of any use, heh |
| 05:08.55 | _avatar | i'm under an NDA so i need to be careful what i say |
| 05:09.11 | _avatar | hrm |
| 05:12.34 | _avatar | but there's no way to get a snapshot of the heap, and the number of and type of living objects? |
| 05:12.56 | muthu | there are.. you need to use the ide |
| 05:13.03 | muthu | intellij offers some.. |
| 05:13.12 | _avatar | i'm using Eclipse |
| 05:13.31 | muthu | i'll check the eclipse plugins, if any |
| 05:20.12 | poffy | jasta, I really apologize for how stupid my questions might seem, but I've been trying to mess with the code |
| 05:20.15 | poffy | ((ViewGroup)findViewById(R.id.inner2)).setAnimationCacheEnabled(false); |
| 05:20.24 | poffy | It's getting a View and casting as a ViewGroup, right? |
| 05:20.53 | muthu | the layouts are all viewgroup |
| 05:21.02 | muthu | so they can contain other views |
| 05:21.42 | muthu | ViewGroup extends View btw |
| 05:21.49 | poffy | but findViewbyId gets a view, right? |
| 05:21.59 | muthu | yeah.. |
| 05:22.23 | poffy | so, in my case, I should get my view and cast as a ViewGroup to turn off the AnimationCache? |
| 05:22.35 | muthu | ViewGroup EXTENDS View |
| 05:22.42 | poffy | ok |
| 05:22.55 | muthu | to get a clear picture.. look at the class hierarchy |
| 05:23.00 | muthu | in the docs.. very useful |
| 05:24.45 | poffy | I try and copy the code with ((ViewGroup)sView).setAnimationCacheEnabled(false); |
| 05:25.40 | poffy | but I get "Cannot cast from StickView to ViewGroup" |
| 05:25.53 | poffy | I apoligize for these newb questions |
| 05:26.09 | poffy | I haven't felt like this since I started C/C++ a few years ago |
| 05:26.10 | poffy | ... |
| 05:26.22 | muthu | StickView is a view |
| 05:26.33 | muthu | cast it to a View |
| 05:26.38 | poffy | ok |
| 05:26.53 | muthu | View sits at the top.. |
| 05:29.21 | hoopla | does anyone know how input will be handled? will it be keyboard or exclusively touch screen? |
| 05:32.11 | duey | the red eye is looking at me for a long time |
| 05:32.44 | duey | yay exceptions |
| 05:33.26 | poffy | muthu, when I do ((ViewGroup)(View)sView).setAnimationCacheEnabled(false); I get a error when I try to run it, "Unable to start Activity ... ". Some exception stuff in StickView |
| 05:33.35 | jasta | lol |
| 05:33.36 | jasta | dude ;) |
| 05:33.38 | poffy | I'll try and why the exception |
| 05:33.44 | poffy | find |
| 05:33.49 | jasta | you need to take a step back and just learn Java first :) |
| 05:34.09 | _avatar | hoopla: i think it just depends on the phone. if you watch the video here http://news.bbc.co.uk/player/nol/newsid_7260000/newsid_7267900/7267977.stm?bw=nb&mp=wm&news=1&nol_storyid=7267977&bbcws=1 they mention using a trackpad instead of a touchscreen |
| 05:37.35 | hoopla | thanks! |
| 05:39.39 | duey | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.46 | muthu | poffy: do me a favor.. take some time off and check the class hierarchy docs for View.. it would help you a lot |
| 05:40.10 | muthu | congrats duey |
| 05:40.25 | duey | ugh its locked my workspace |
| 05:41.14 | poffy | muthu java.lang.Object -> android.view.View -> android.view.ViewGroup |
| 05:41.18 | poffy | Is that what you mean? |
| 05:42.55 | _avatar | ah, interesting. i'm running adb outside of eclipse and i no longer see unbounded memory growth. hmm |
| 06:06.36 | muthu | poffy: yes, if you need View cast em as View, or if you need ViewGroup cast it as ViewGroup |
| 06:09.18 | poffy | muthu, ok. I'm sorry if the answer is obvious, but why is giving me an exception error when I do ((ViewGroup)(View)sView).setAnimationCacheEnabled(false); |
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| 06:10.05 | muthu | because view is not a viewgroup |
| 06:10.11 | poffy | ok, I understand that. |
| 06:10.20 | poffy | So, I would need to create a ViewGroup |
| 06:10.26 | poffy | and add the view to it? |
| 06:10.35 | muthu | yeah..that's what layout does |
| 06:10.43 | poffy | ok |
| 06:10.53 | muthu | do it from an xml |
| 06:10.57 | muthu | set your layout however you want |
| 06:11.01 | poffy | eh, xml |
| 06:11.10 | muthu | or you can do it from code |
| 06:11.11 | poffy | I'll have to screw with that in the morning |
| 06:11.17 | poffy | I did do it in code |
| 06:11.18 | muthu | but follow the same semantics |
| 06:11.50 | poffy | http://rafb.net/p/uHYCJy81.html |
| 06:11.51 | muthu | if you need animation.. you can use ViewFlipper |
| 06:11.53 | poffy | I just did that quickly |
| 06:12.41 | muthu | right |
| 06:12.50 | muthu | you can create a linearlayout and add all your views to it |
| 06:12.50 | poffy | ok. |
| 06:12.54 | poffy | yeah |
| 06:13.11 | poffy | I'm just still expericing the animation not working |
| 06:13.11 | poffy | heh |
| 06:13.24 | poffy | I'll try and figure out ViewFlipper in the morning, I guess.. |
| 06:13.33 | muthu | add a viewflipper |
| 06:14.07 | muthu | there's an AnimationUtils class |
| 06:14.21 | poffy | ViewFlipper can store how many views? |
| 06:14.30 | poffy | I thought I read in docs that it could only have two |
| 06:14.48 | muthu | any number of images |
| 06:14.52 | poffy | Oh ok |
| 06:15.05 | muthu | only to is the viewswitcher |
| 06:15.16 | muthu | flipper can load many |
| 06:15.20 | poffy | ahh |
| 06:16.01 | poffy | I'll figure out ViewFlipper in the morning then |
| 06:16.09 | muthu | ok |
| 06:16.09 | poffy | Thanks for your patience |
| 06:16.25 | muthu | its all in the docs |
| 06:16.32 | muthu | look at animation section |
| 06:16.41 | poffy | I haven't felt like this since I started learning C when I was doing DS homebrew :D |
| 06:16.50 | muthu | it happens.. np |
| 06:17.03 | poffy | :) |
| 06:17.09 | muthu | i only do light stuff anyways |
| 06:18.19 | muthu | poffy: where you from? |
| 06:18.27 | poffy | Texas |
| 06:18.32 | muthu | where? |
| 06:18.41 | poffy | Houston, Texas, US |
| 06:18.51 | muthu | great.. i lived there long time back |
| 06:18.55 | poffy | oh cool |
| 06:18.57 | muthu | actually spring, texas |
| 06:19.01 | poffy | ah |
| 06:19.07 | poffy | I live around the Cypress area |
| 06:19.12 | muthu | oh cool |
| 06:19.26 | muthu | texas is great |
| 06:19.32 | poffy | oh yeah |
| 06:19.37 | poffy | I love it |
| 06:19.42 | poffy | I want to go to college here |
| 06:19.47 | jasta | texas is great? lol, what? :) |
| 06:19.54 | muthu | yo jasta |
| 06:21.14 | muthu | memories are always great |
| 06:21.14 | muthu | so i remember only the good stuff |
| 06:21.14 | muthu | i used to work for worldcom, spring, texas |
| 06:21.14 | muthu | there's something called research forest |
| 06:21.15 | muthu | pretty nice place |
| 06:21.27 | poffy | hm |
| 06:21.36 | poffy | I haven't heard of it |
| 06:21.58 | muthu | really.. its in spring |
| 06:22.01 | muthu | you know spring? |
| 06:22.07 | poffy | yeah |
| 06:22.37 | muthu | the research forest is where all the r&d companies are present.. mostly telecom |
| 06:22.45 | poffy | Oh cool |
| 06:22.52 | duey | ugh |
| 06:22.53 | poffy | I'll try and look that up, some time |
| 06:23.04 | duey | when i click run in eclipse it doesnt run in the debugger |
| 06:23.07 | duey | emulator*-* |
| 06:23.18 | poffy | Anyway, I got to hit the sack |
| 06:23.21 | poffy | Thanks for the help |
| 06:23.25 | muthu | ok cool |
| 06:24.59 | duey | does anyone else have a problem where after running your app two times from eclipse it no longer runs? |
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| 06:54.35 | jasta | duey: yeah, check adb logcat for a permission mismatch or something. the uid somehow changes and you need to chown all your files |
| 06:54.47 | duey | stab |
| 06:54.48 | jasta | or remove the app and data files and install again |
| 06:55.15 | jasta | pretty stupid but, meh, i'm sure they've already fixed it in the next SDK or whatever |
| 06:55.34 | duey | its definately quiet |
| 06:55.50 | duey | romanguy isn't even here! |
| 06:55.55 | duey | mind you easter weekend |
| 06:56.54 | jasta | i told you, they're getting ready for release i bet :) |
| 06:57.05 | jasta | it's a dead giveaway, and it has happened every time right before a release :) |
| 06:57.41 | duey | this is how google does it |
| 06:57.43 | duey | gives everyone laptops |
| 06:57.48 | duey | free food |
| 06:57.51 | duey | free coffee |
| 06:57.55 | duey | they never stop working |
| 06:58.01 | duey | its all part of the master plan |
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| 07:49.35 | muthu | ok.. back from lunch |
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| 14:31.26 | muthu | hi, the next release date? |
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| 15:13.02 | jasta | muthu: have i started a rumor? :) |
| 15:13.06 | jasta | i think really soon anyway :) |
| 15:15.24 | muthu | i am waiting on it jasta |
| 15:15.35 | jasta | well, i wouldn't wait on it. |
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| 15:15.53 | jasta | my only basis for speculation is that romain and morrildl have been AWOL for about a week. |
| 15:16.06 | jasta | and that previously has indicated the rush before a release :) |
| 15:16.09 | muthu | i guess the release will be only after 14 |
| 15:16.28 | jasta | i don't know that to be true. morrildl actually suggested a while ago that they "hope" to get a release out before then |
| 15:17.04 | muthu | now that people are focussed, they wouldn't disrupt |
| 15:17.47 | morrildl | yeah, the window is closing pretty quickly |
| 15:18.07 | morrildl | it would be totally wrong to release a major SDK update 2 weeks before the deadline :) |
| 15:18.24 | muthu | there you have it |
| 15:18.30 | jasta | well, fine :) |
| 15:18.45 | morrildl | however, we are still looking to do an update to M5 |
| 15:18.56 | morrildl | We are trying to figure out what fixes we can get into it |
| 15:18.57 | jasta | see :) |
| 15:19.09 | jasta | please, *PLEASE*, fix the MediaPlaye r:( |
| 15:19.20 | jasta | my app will be so crippled without it |
| 15:19.23 | morrildl | jasta: heh |
| 15:19.34 | morrildl | we think we have workarounds for most of the bigger issues |
| 15:19.52 | morrildl | for example, a lot of people have had problems streaming MP3s, but that appears to be an issue with how they were authored |
| 15:20.24 | morrildl | jasta: unfortunately for M5 it looks like we aren't going to be able to do the play-and-save-at-the-same-time thing |
| 15:20.37 | morrildl | however, the good news is that I was told that WILL be supported in 1.0 |
| 15:20.38 | jasta | what about an InputStream? |
| 15:21.16 | muthu | i gave up on streaming.. bundling the video for now |
| 15:21.26 | muthu | works ok for the POC |
| 15:21.32 | morrildl | play-while-downloading should be in the next milestone drop, as should many, many bug fixes for streaming |
| 15:21.58 | jasta | sigh, you guys are gonna get a lot of streaming media player submissions that don't do anything :) |
| 15:22.03 | jasta | mine included :\ |
| 15:22.06 | morrildl | jasta: yeah I know :( |
| 15:22.17 | muthu | video view is a bummer |
| 15:22.33 | muthu | it doesn't support the buffering event |
| 15:23.37 | muthu | ok.. time to go home.. i'll catch up on the other side of the dinner |
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| 15:24.51 | morrildl | jasta: re: inputstreams, the underlying libraries aren't really built for that. The best we can do (for 1.0) would be a PCM player that can accept bytes via an inputstream or similar |
| 15:25.33 | morrildl | that might be cute for people who want to generate a square wave and play it or something, but it's probably not so hot for you, since you'd have to decode your MP3s in Dalvik |
| 15:25.42 | jasta | sigh, you're killing me. |
| 15:25.59 | morrildl | but, like I said, play-and-save should be in the next milestone drop |
| 15:26.08 | morrildl | so at least that is coming |
| 15:26.14 | morrildl | Yeah I am bummed too |
| 15:26.59 | morrildl | hmm, firefox is being stupid |
| 15:27.02 | morrildl | brb |
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| 17:37.37 | muthu_ | just heard the next release is exactly 1 week away |
| 17:37.40 | muthu_ | great news! |
| 17:37.54 | zhobbs | where'd you hear that? |
| 17:38.03 | muthu_ | from one of the google folks |
| 17:38.48 | muthu_ | packed with some crazy functionality |
| 17:38.53 | muthu_ | yoohooo |
| 17:38.59 | mike1o | yeah! |
| 17:39.18 | muthu_ | there's 1 new killer feature they added |
| 17:39.38 | mike1o | a rolling machine? |
| 17:39.48 | muthu_ | unbelievable email.. let me read it fully |
| 17:39.59 | poffy | :O |
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| 17:46.06 | lenni_-_ | if i run my activity with a method call i get a null pointer exception, but if i take the method call out it runs fine? |
| 17:46.29 | lenni_-_ | eclipse didn't complain about unresolved calls. |
| 17:46.50 | zhobbs | what do you mean? |
| 17:46.54 | Dan_U | What do you mean run your activity with a method call? |
| 17:47.05 | mike1o | muthu_, can we read it too? :) |
| 17:47.18 | muthu_ | oh man.. i can't believe it |
| 17:47.30 | muthu_ | ok.. here it is |
| 17:47.32 | zhobbs | muthu_: yeah, share :) |
| 17:47.33 | lenni_-_ | soory, i meant i call a certain method in my onCreate |
| 17:47.44 | mike1o | if it's too long |
| 17:47.49 | mike1o | paste it somewhere |
| 17:47.49 | muthu_ | flash IS supported!!!!!!! |
| 17:48.01 | muthu_ | is this real? |
| 17:48.02 | Dan_U | lenni_-_: you probably are trying to access something that is null in your method |
| 17:48.03 | mike1o | muthu_, in the browser? |
| 17:48.21 | zhobbs | lenni_-_: we need more info... |
| 17:48.22 | muthu_ | it says supported.. but not how |
| 17:48.53 | lenni_-_ | is a nopaste okay? |
| 17:48.56 | lenni_-_ | hang on |
| 17:49.02 | zhobbs | ok |
| 17:49.32 | muthu_ | i can't wait now.. the game guys are going to be really excited |
| 17:49.57 | zhobbs | is skeptical |
| 17:50.11 | lenni_-_ | this it it: http://pastebin.com/m23730517 |
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| 17:50.19 | muthu_ | i would not believe it myself, but this is from someone i know very well |
| 17:51.07 | zhobbs | lenni_-_: where does the NPE happen? |
| 17:51.34 | muthu_ | android wants to knock out RIM and iphone straight away |
| 17:51.37 | lenni_-_ | this is the 2nd activity in my package. it happens when i start it |
| 17:51.50 | zhobbs | do you know what line? |
| 17:52.46 | muthu_ | romainguy: can you confirm this please? |
| 17:52.47 | poffy | muthu_: I'm anxious to read it now that you mentioned games |
| 17:52.57 | lenni_-_ | i only have the debug info that android gives and that doesn't give me a line |
| 17:53.17 | lenni_-_ | i'll try to get it from eclipse debug |
| 17:53.20 | zhobbs | muthu_: romain's not in here |
| 17:53.24 | muthu_ | poffy: me too |
| 17:53.55 | zhobbs | lenni_-_: in the breakpoint view there is a little "J!", click that and add NullPointerException and it will automatically break for NPE's |
| 17:54.01 | muthu_ | zhobbs: i'm waiting for him now o_0 |
| 17:54.51 | Dan_U | lenni_-_: I think it's when you do is.close() in the finally |
| 17:55.01 | Dan_U | your is is probably null |
| 17:55.01 | poffy | muthu_: If they come out with tons of new features, won't that give developers who are entering the compo a small amount of time to update to the current release and than make nifty additions? |
| 17:55.29 | lenni_-_ | so. i'll have to catch it, right? |
| 17:55.38 | Dan_U | no |
| 17:55.41 | Dan_U | check if it's null |
| 17:55.47 | muthu_ | i really don't understand why they are doing a release in the first place |
| 17:55.57 | zhobbs | I don't think they will |
| 17:56.07 | zhobbs | unless not a lot really changes |
| 17:56.13 | zhobbs | just bug fixes or something |
| 17:57.17 | Dan_U | does anyone know if the adc submit page only sends you one email if you submit multiple projects? |
| 17:57.28 | Dan_U | Because I only got one email for the first project |
| 17:57.54 | lenni_-_ | okay, thanks guys, is really was null |
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| 19:14.10 | lenni_-_ | is there a maximum number of characters for textviews? |
| 19:15.35 | lenni_-_ | i mean a maximum number of characters it can display. |
| 19:16.07 | mihoshi | What us the URL of files in res/raw directory? |
| 19:24.36 | zhobbs | mihoshi: you can get their id's via R.raw, but can't directly refer to them with a Uri |
| 19:25.52 | mihoshi | Thanks. But then how can I make a files in project, that I'll be able to read by URL? |
| 19:26.19 | B0jangles | why do you want to access them by URL? |
| 19:27.26 | mihoshi | Because there will be also another files, made in runtime, that I will read in same manner. |
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| 19:28.55 | mihoshi | Downloaded from net or created by user... |
| 19:30.07 | mihoshi | Of cause, I can read this files by id and save by URL, or inject it into android some other counterintuitive way but this seems lame... |
| 19:33.24 | mihoshi | So, no way? |
| 19:33.46 | B0jangles | shrugs |
| 19:34.24 | B0jangles | Look Here: |
| 19:34.24 | B0jangles | http://groups.google.com/group/android-developers/browse_thread/thread/74cc21c9e613f608/57865aac5be52635?lnk=gst&q=uri#57865aac5be52635 |
| 19:34.36 | B0jangles | " Access via Uri to an application resource " |
| 19:37.28 | mihoshi | Yes, I see... |
| 19:38.31 | mihoshi | Trying to make it working. |
| 19:39.18 | mihoshi | Another catch is that I'm supposed to have references to this files in my XML files and databases O_o |
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| 19:52.38 | tauren | I just installed android and the eclipse plugin. Following the Hello, Android tutorial. The emulator starts up, says "ANDROID", then I get a red bar going back and forth for a while. Then an error "Application Not Responding". I've followed the Hello instructions to the letter. What am I doing wrong? |
| 19:53.09 | tauren | this is my very first time using the platform ever, so I'm sure i'm doing something silly. |
| 19:54.07 | tauren | does this channel pertain to google android, or something else? |
| 19:55.04 | benley | yep |
| 19:55.15 | tauren | ok, cool. |
| 19:55.23 | tauren | any ideas what i'm doing wrong? |
| 19:58.37 | zhobbs | tauren: what application is not responding? |
| 19:58.47 | zhobbs | HelloAndroid or Home, etc? |
| 19:58.58 | tauren | its a google app, not mine |
| 19:59.03 | tauren | let me restart it. |
| 20:01.09 | tauren | it seems to take about 1 - 2 minutes to start the emulator. Is that normal? Do I have to start it every time I make a change in my app and want to test? Or can eclipse deploy to a running emulator? |
| 20:02.15 | B0jangles | yes no no |
| 20:02.19 | B0jangles | oops |
| 20:02.21 | B0jangles | yes no yes |
| 20:02.31 | tauren | ok, good to know... |
| 20:02.57 | tauren | i got the home screen up, but HelloAndroid isn't starting |
| 20:03.04 | B0jangles | Send it again |
| 20:03.12 | B0jangles | sometimes it gets lost while the emulator is starting |
| 20:03.37 | tauren | when I Run in eclipse, it always starts a new copy of the emulator |
| 20:03.46 | tauren | i now have two running. |
| 20:03.51 | B0jangles | yeah, sometimes it does that |
| 20:04.00 | B0jangles | close the old one |
| 20:04.07 | B0jangles | and hope the new one works ;-) |
| 20:04.07 | tauren | ok |
| 20:04.29 | B0jangles | it doesn't always do that, but yeah, sometimes Eclipse has a hard time finding the emulator |
| 20:04.45 | B0jangles | and it keeps opening new ones |
| 20:05.03 | tauren | is there something you do when that happens? restart eclipse? |
| 20:05.14 | B0jangles | get another cup of coffee |
| 20:05.15 | tauren | or just restart the app until it works? |
| 20:05.22 | tauren | ;) |
| 20:05.22 | B0jangles | I just restart the app until it works |
| 20:05.28 | B0jangles | it'll eventually work |
| 20:05.34 | B0jangles | and then it'll probably keep working |
| 20:05.40 | tauren | ok, this time eclipse log shows more promising output |
| 20:05.50 | tauren | Yes, it worked this time! |
| 20:06.10 | tauren | The tutorial lead me to think it would JUST WORK. |
| 20:06.20 | B0jangles | sometimes it does ;-) |
| 20:06.35 | B0jangles | sometimes it doesn't... |
| 20:06.35 | tauren | They shuold add something to the faq or somewhere about the possible issues like this. |
| 20:06.47 | B0jangles | aye |
| 20:07.05 | tauren | So, to make changes to my app, I just leave the emulator running, and hit Run or Debug again? |
| 20:07.10 | B0jangles | yeah |
| 20:07.14 | tauren | do i have to exit the running app? |
| 20:07.16 | B0jangles | no |
| 20:07.27 | tauren | so it will start multiple copies of my app at any time? |
| 20:07.43 | B0jangles | I think Android kills the old ones in the background |
| 20:07.52 | tauren | ok |
| 20:08.16 | tauren | just did it and i saw the home screen again for a second. then the app started again. so i think you are probably right. |
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| 20:08.32 | tauren | is there some sort of task list in android, so i can see what is running? |
| 20:08.59 | B0jangles | I forget...DDMS might tell you |
| 20:09.14 | B0jangles | doesn't have Eclipse open at the moment |
| 20:09.21 | tauren | ok, np |
| 20:09.25 | tauren | i appreciate your help. |
| 20:09.28 | B0jangles | np |
| 20:10.03 | tauren | at least i'm going now. i had tried it like 4 times and it never once ran for me. |
| 20:10.43 | B0jangles | yeah, it can be pretty annoying |
| 20:11.11 | tauren | now i have a better idea of what to expect... |
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| 20:54.15 | lenni_-_ | i only have 500mb of ram on a macbook and android emulator + eclipse is excruciatingly slow. what is your experience? will upgrading to 1gb make a noticable difference or will i need 2gb? |
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| 21:00.29 | zhobbs | lenni_-_: I have 2 gig and it's not all that fast :) |
| 21:04.58 | jasta | the android emulator runs a bit slow on my computer actually. |
| 21:05.01 | jasta | and mine is very powerful |
| 21:05.10 | jasta | it runs faster on my work computer, which i would not generally say is a faster machine. |
| 21:05.15 | jasta | so who knows ;) |
| 21:07.38 | lenni_-_ | at least i'm not the only one |
| 21:11.16 | zhobbs | woohoo...just got a job |
| 21:11.47 | zhobbs | doing control systems for a local engineering firm...no more web development! |
| 21:12.29 | zhobbs | now it just sucks that I have to work 8-5 |
| 21:12.31 | jasta | congratulations |
| 21:12.38 | jasta | web development is stupid |
| 21:12.45 | zhobbs | yeah, it sucks |
| 21:13.16 | lenni_-_ | i'm curious, being a student, why web development sucks |
| 21:13.17 | zhobbs | but it paid for college |
| 21:13.56 | zhobbs | lenni_-_: I don't like it because you spend way too much time on UI |
| 21:14.41 | zhobbs | lenni_-_: and most of the programmers you work with are not very skilled (at least in my experience) |
| 21:14.56 | zhobbs | I'm sure there are some really good ones out there...just not were I've worked |
| 21:15.04 | lenni_-_ | you mean, they are webdesigners really? |
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| 21:16.47 | zhobbs | a lot of the people I work with just keep writing code until it works...not a lot of thought put in (especially in ASP land) |
| 21:17.45 | f00f- | hack 'n slash |
| 21:17.48 | f00f- | tried and true method :P |
| 21:18.02 | lenni_-_ | i have to admit, that is the way i do things too. but I'm hoping to change that with starting CompSci in the summer. |
| 21:18.15 | f00f- | languages that intermix layout and business logic suck |
| 21:18.21 | f00f- | or encourage it, such as ASP and PHP |
| 21:18.40 | f00f- | i still use PHP, but correctly |
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| 21:19.22 | lenni_-_ | i have just toyed with django (python based)and i think it's really neat |
| 21:19.59 | f00f- | i don't know, all these frameworks are just overhyped |
| 21:20.14 | f00f- | i just churn out XML in my code |
| 21:20.22 | f00f- | and let XSLT take care of the rest |
| 21:20.36 | f00f- | designers can muck with the XSL and CSS |
| 21:24.34 | morrildl | f00f-: oh dear god |
| 21:24.42 | morrildl | worked on a system like that |
| 21:24.47 | morrildl | 50,000 line XSLT file |
| 21:24.51 | morrildl | Never again. |
| 21:25.00 | f00f- | morrildl: that's just bad design |
| 21:25.02 | morrildl | XSLT works well in concept, but it's hard to customize |
| 21:25.10 | f00f- | you have to split it up into modules |
| 21:25.12 | morrildl | f00f-: I grant you that, the design predated me :) |
| 21:25.15 | f00f- | take advantage of functions, etc. |
| 21:25.16 | morrildl | actually that didn't work |
| 21:25.18 | f00f- | ah okay |
| 21:25.25 | morrildl | libxslt's performance was too low |
| 21:25.51 | f00f- | depends on the site, too |
| 21:25.52 | morrildl | anyway, django is not bad |
| 21:26.02 | morrildl | I like django b/c it's not trying to be a revolutionary thing |
| 21:26.26 | morrildl | For example, Rails sometimes make me think of "Extreme Programming" and similar fads |
| 21:26.42 | morrildl | ducks the XP afficionados on the channel......... |
| 21:27.45 | jasta | i don't like any web frameworks, because web development is terrible :) |
| 21:27.53 | jasta | but, i have had extensive experience with HTML::Mason |
| 21:28.04 | jasta | i didn't like it, but i didn't hate it. |
| 21:29.23 | f00f- | i love mason |
| 21:29.34 | f00f- | but absence of logic/presentation sucked |
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| 21:30.13 | f00f- | actually i looked at django before, and just the fact that they quite tim berner lee's "cool uri's don't change" doc make me want to try it out |
| 21:30.36 | f00f- | *quote |
| 21:30.39 | f00f- | rather *link to |
| 21:30.39 | f00f- | :) |
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| 21:33.05 | ksiomelo` | hi there |
| 21:33.16 | ksiomelo` | I have a dumb question.. |
| 21:33.33 | ksiomelo` | I want to show a imageview in a new activity |
| 21:33.41 | ksiomelo` | startActivity(new Intent(this,ImageViewActivity.class)); |
| 21:34.06 | ksiomelo` | but I have to pass the image data (byte []) to it |
| 21:34.33 | f00f- | pointer anyone? :P |
| 21:35.02 | jasta | ksiomelo`: Bitmaps are serializable, so construct one first. |
| 21:35.09 | jasta | or rather, they are parcelable. |
| 21:35.22 | ksiomelo` | ohh |
| 21:35.26 | ksiomelo` | I see |
| 21:36.55 | ksiomelo` | thanks =) |
| 21:39.38 | Dan_U | morrildl: If we submit multiple applications to the adc, are we only supposed to get a confirmation e-mail for the first one? |
| 21:42.45 | morrildl | Dan_U: Hmm, I assume that's what happened to you? :) |
| 21:42.49 | morrildl | let me check into it |
| 21:42.54 | Dan_U | yep, 5 apps, 1 email |
| 21:43.03 | Dan_U | and other people have asked in the groups |
| 21:43.20 | Dan_U | so it's not just me |
| 21:46.39 | morrildl | Dan_U: yeah, looks like that was the way it was configured |
| 21:46.51 | morrildl | David says he changed the option to send one response per submission now |
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| 21:48.18 | Dan_U | ok, so is there any way I can verify the ones I already submitted are actually there? |
| 21:48.30 | morrildl | Dan_U: I will check manually |
| 21:48.37 | Dan_U | ok, thank you |
| 21:48.41 | morrildl | What email address did you submit under? (feel free to private msg me) |
| 21:50.17 | Dan_U | dan.ulery@gmail.com |
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| 22:16.38 | jjt001 | ayo to all |
| 22:16.43 | jjt001 | quick question |
| 22:17.00 | jjt001 | i put a ListView node within a relative layout |
| 22:17.03 | jjt001 | is this legal? |
| 22:17.34 | jjt001 | i'm got some NP exceptions after adding the ListView into my app |
| 22:17.51 | jjt001 | anyone here? |
| 22:17.55 | jjt001 | zhobbs? |
| 22:18.25 | chomchom | heh zhobbs, your being called on by name now! |
| 22:18.41 | jjt001 | chomchom: i call you by name to assist me |
| 22:18.59 | chomchom | *gark* |
| 22:19.16 | jjt001 | chomchom: want me to post logcat? |
| 22:19.28 | jjt001 | chomchom: i will reward you greatly for this |
| 22:19.55 | chomchom | no I'm sorry I can't help you I have limited experience with listview |
| 22:20.18 | jjt001 | chomchom: fine |
| 22:20.24 | chomchom | I've just used the BaseAdapters |
| 22:20.26 | jjt001 | chomchom: you shall receive no reward |
| 22:20.34 | jjt001 | zhobbs? |
| 22:20.47 | jjt001 | anyone? |
| 22:21.11 | jjt001 | brothers>>>><<<<<>><>><>><>><>>? |
| 22:21.11 | chomchom | shirks into the background. |
| 22:21.22 | Dan_U | jjt001: the problem sounds vaguely familiar. Have you searched google groups? |
| 22:21.39 | jjt001 | nope |
| 22:21.42 | jjt001 | i'll do that now |
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| 22:22.32 | jjt001 | beautiful |
| 22:22.33 | jjt001 | thanks dan |
| 22:22.49 | Dan_U | you're welcome |
| 22:23.58 | Kuja | poffy: around? |
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| 22:27.26 | jjt001 | Dan_U: wait |
| 22:27.36 | jjt001 | Dan_U: the problem wasn't resolved |
| 22:28.23 | jjt001 | Dan_U: shall i post my layout file on pastebin? |
| 22:30.48 | jjt001 | http://pastebin.com/m669b0210 |
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| 22:31.20 | jjt001 | anyone? |
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| 23:08.35 | jasta | Dan_U: what 5 apps did you submit? |
| 23:09.20 | chomchom | Yeah can we get some hints of names or anything to whet our pallets? |
| 23:10.27 | Dan_U | lol |
| 23:11.01 | Dan_U | my apps aren't that interesting |
| 23:11.01 | chomchom | come on man they are interesting to us guys developing for two months! |
| 23:11.01 | Dan_U | and I'd say more of a proof of concept than a production app |
| 23:11.36 | chomchom | yeah, we're all in that zone (speaks for self) |
| 23:11.41 | Dan_U | http://uler3161.freeweb7.com/athena |
| 23:11.51 | Dan_U | that is the link to the one I spent the most time on. It has links to the others |
| 23:12.04 | chomchom | sweet! |
| 23:12.10 | Dan_U | There's screenshots in the help page for a few of them |
| 23:12.20 | Dan_U | and all of them have descriptions in the help page |
| 23:13.07 | Dan_U | and they are not tested extensively either. Don't be surprised to see bugs |
| 23:13.12 | Dan_U | I am just one person you know :-) |
| 23:14.29 | jerkface03 | mobile social networking is pretty much dominated by one company |
| 23:14.42 | Dan_U | which one would that be? |
| 23:14.45 | jerkface03 | airg |
| 23:15.20 | Dan_U | interesting. I've never heard of them though |
| 23:15.29 | Dan_U | but that's probably because I'm not a heavy mobile phone user |
| 23:15.43 | jerkface03 | i worked there for a while |
| 23:15.45 | jerkface03 | it was alright |
| 23:16.09 | chomchom | this is Excellent stuff Dan_U, well done |
| 23:16.16 | Dan_U | thanks |
| 23:16.20 | Dan_U | I doubt I'll win anything |
| 23:16.27 | Dan_U | but I learned quite a bit by writing them |
| 23:18.54 | jasta | sorry i had to do work for a second :) |
| 23:18.57 | jasta | *reading* |
| 23:21.15 | ksiomelo` | hey guys.. |
| 23:21.16 | ksiomelo` | is there a way to setup the layout of the option menu? |
| 23:21.30 | chomchom | yeah man athena is well sweet |
| 23:21.38 | ksiomelo` | I would like to make a linear vertical menu, not that large buttons |
| 23:21.44 | Dan_U | chomchom: thanks |
| 23:21.49 | Dan_U | I spent the most time on that one |
| 23:22.03 | chomchom | I like your flair approach to the UI |
| 23:22.09 | chomchom | distinctive |
| 23:22.16 | Dan_U | That was about the third UI I came up with |
| 23:22.36 | chomchom | the UI is a bit confusing mind you but of course this is a prototype |
| 23:22.38 | Dan_U | I thought the earlier ones I did looked too primitive |
| 23:22.50 | Dan_U | yeah, I'm sure I could do a bit better with it |
| 23:23.40 | Dan_U | I know of some areas that are not very good, but I couldn't visualize a better way at the time |
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| 23:30.53 | Dan_U | chomchom: I see you created an account :-) Has anything broken yet? |
| 23:31.22 | chomchom | nope, I'm just explaining it to my lady |
| 23:31.46 | chomchom | the password field revealed the last character when I was signing up |
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| 23:31.54 | jasta | i'm really hoping to produce a set of screenshots or maybe even a walk through video fro my project some time when it gets much closer to the deadline... |
| 23:32.13 | Dan_U | hmm, the signup page is just a password text field |
| 23:32.24 | Dan_U | so it's whatever your browser does I suppose |
| 23:32.39 | Dan_U | are you sure it was the sign up or was it the login on the client? |
| 23:33.33 | Dan_U | because the password edittext does that in Android |
| 23:37.34 | chomchom | Sorry I meant the sign in on the phone emu |
| 23:37.49 | Dan_U | ok, then that's expected |
| 23:37.55 | Dan_U | it confused me too when I saw it do that |
| 23:38.00 | chomchom | tried to download the taxi one and got a 404 |
| 23:38.06 | Dan_U | but then I think I came into the chatroom here and asked about it |
| 23:38.13 | Dan_U | ok, I'll look at taht |
| 23:38.21 | Dan_U | I thought I verified them all, but maybe I didn't |
| 23:38.37 | chomchom | 404 for traveloid |
| 23:38.47 | chomchom | and datelocate |
| 23:38.56 | Dan_U | hmm |
| 23:38.57 | Dan_U | works fine for me |
| 23:39.26 | chomchom | they direct me to http://athena.dynalias.com:8180/athena/ |
| 23:39.32 | Dan_U | wow |
| 23:39.41 | Dan_U | I must have something really screwed up |
| 23:40.53 | Dan_U | Was that when you tried to download the clients? |
| 23:41.11 | chomchom | yeah |
| 23:41.54 | Dan_U | I can't seem to reproduce it. I recognize the url. It's from a long time ago and doesn't even exist in my source any more |
| 23:42.15 | Dan_U | My hosting provider moved their servers. I wonder if they have some kind of load balancer and are balancing between a server with the updated code and one without |
| 23:42.24 | ksiomelo` | Dan_U: really amazing apps, congrats |
| 23:42.29 | Dan_U | thanks |
| 23:42.46 | ksiomelo` | Dan_U: are you using web services? |
| 23:43.13 | lenni_-_ | i have a list of elements i would like to display with bullet points. would edit the xml element a text view or can I use html-is tags like <li>? |
| 23:44.24 | Dan_U | ksiomelo`: Kinda/sorta :-) |
| 23:44.55 | Dan_U | I didn't try to jump into doing web services in a proper way because it looked like there was poor support for them. |
| 23:45.22 | Dan_U | and because I'm lazy |
| 23:46.35 | ksiomelo` | Dan_U: yes, indeed. I am using an xml-rpc version for android |
| 23:47.39 | Dan_U | well, I guess regardless of whether the download links are incorrect, I did upload the apk files on the submission page |
| 23:47.49 | Dan_U | But, that means only the judges can get access to them |
| 23:49.52 | Dan_U | chomchom: can you tell me what page you went to that had a link to athena.dynalias? |
| 23:50.20 | chomchom | sure I'll go through them |
| 23:50.24 | chomchom | http://uler3161.freeweb7.com/taxi/help.php |
| 23:50.44 | chomchom | http://uler3161.freeweb7.com/findroid/help.php |
| 23:51.02 | chomchom | http://uler3161.freeweb7.com/traveloid/help.php |
| 23:51.18 | chomchom | http://uler3161.freeweb7.com/datelocate/help.php |
| 23:52.11 | Dan_U | So the dynalias link is when you click the Downloads button in the header? |
| 23:53.40 | Dan_U | oh, I see |
| 23:54.20 | Dan_U | chomchom: Thanks for finding that |