| 00:13.09 | jasta | actually i take that back, it looks sort of like ActivityGroup is well abstracted from this problem |
| 00:13.27 | jasta | it seems you can use the localactivitymanager to start activity's just like you would through the applicationcontext of a normal activity |
| 00:13.50 | jasta | i might code up a quick sample |
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| 00:52.37 | zhobbs | jasta: cool, let me know if you ever want an account to post stuff in the tutorials section of helloandroid :) |
| 01:15.32 | jasta | i wonder how the localactivitymanager works with the activity stack? |
| 01:16.43 | jasta | i dont see how it could? |
| 01:17.20 | jasta | this is starting to seem very deficient ;) |
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| 01:23.01 | kurzum | should videoview playback be done in a new thread? it kind of makes the UI unresponsive... |
| 01:25.17 | jerkface03 | Can my APK have more than one runnable in it? |
| 01:25.40 | jerkface03 | like how a jad/jar combo can have multiple midlets? |
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| 01:31.30 | zhobbs | jerkface03: what do you mean runnable? |
| 01:33.15 | jerkface03 | showing up on the main menu for selection |
| 01:33.46 | zhobbs | just add this intent filter to any activity: |
| 01:33.47 | zhobbs | <intent-filter> |
| 01:33.47 | zhobbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.47 | zhobbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:33.47 | zhobbs | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:34.19 | jerkface03 | you got a link that better describes it? |
| 01:35.04 | zhobbs | no...just replicate the intent filter that your current main activity in your AndroidManifest.xml |
| 01:35.20 | zhobbs | s/that/for |
| 01:36.33 | jerkface03 | aye. thanks. |
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| 04:17.37 | jasta | any google folks around? |
| 04:18.09 | jasta | i have a question about how the concurrency of openbinder communication as implemented by Android |
| 04:19.10 | jasta | specifically, if i have a remotely called method with a callback, will i have a guarantee that the return will reach the caller before the callback will even if the callback is invoked before the return even happens? |
| 04:19.26 | jasta | i would assume that the loop would handle this as a side-effect |
| 04:19.39 | jasta | but iw ant to confirm so as not to design a race condition into this :) |
| 04:23.54 | jasta | nevermind, i'll just specifically schedule it with a handler to be sure |
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| 04:39.25 | muthu | interesting topic |
| 04:39.34 | jasta | hi muthu |
| 04:39.40 | muthu | hi jasta.. morning |
| 04:39.50 | muthu | did you check out iphone sdk? |
| 04:39.51 | jasta | it's 20:30 here :) |
| 04:40.03 | jasta | it was released afterall? i thought they had delayed it |
| 04:40.17 | muthu | no its been released.. early preview |
| 04:42.53 | muthu | there are atleast 6-7 major player for mobile O/S |
| 04:43.16 | jasta | why do they ask so much personal info to download the SDK? |
| 04:43.21 | jasta | it needs my phone number and address? |
| 04:43.31 | muthu | yup |
| 04:43.38 | muthu | i registered like twice |
| 04:43.56 | muthu | and gave up downloading.. |
| 04:43.59 | jasta | haha, Android is an option for a platform you develop on |
| 04:44.06 | duey | lol |
| 04:44.18 | muthu | yes.. the great thing about android is.. |
| 04:44.28 | muthu | it lets me build things where i am, how i want to |
| 04:44.36 | jasta | i'm pretty sure this SDK will require OS X? |
| 04:44.37 | duey | jasta, you have to pay for the iphone sim |
| 04:44.41 | duey | yeah |
| 04:44.51 | jasta | that's stupid, not interested |
| 04:44.56 | muthu | that's when i gave up downloading |
| 04:45.22 | muthu | microsoft & apple - they have their own way |
| 04:45.36 | jasta | They're both so arrogant |
| 04:45.39 | muthu | i hope these guys don't win on mobile |
| 04:45.43 | jasta | Jeez, Apple even more so if you can believe it. |
| 04:45.52 | muthu | yes |
| 04:46.38 | muthu | microsoft vs apple vs google vs nokia vs rim vs palm |
| 04:46.45 | muthu | anything i left out? |
| 04:46.49 | jasta | Palm is not a competitor, don't be ridiculous ;) |
| 04:47.02 | jasta | Also, Nokia is untouchable :) |
| 04:47.03 | muthu | they are the popular o/s on mobile |
| 04:47.25 | muthu | the beauty is android is taking a great stance here |
| 04:47.34 | jasta | No they aren't. Palm is struggling. |
| 04:47.39 | muthu | by focusing on the 0/s rather than device |
| 04:47.46 | muthu | yes agreed.. strike of palm |
| 04:47.57 | muthu | but palm can run android ;) |
| 04:48.14 | jasta | PalmOS can't, Palm devices can. Windows Mobile devices can run Android too. |
| 04:48.28 | muthu | true that's what i like about android |
| 04:48.36 | jasta | Any device with sufficient Linux support and the right chipsets will run Android. |
| 04:48.46 | muthu | correct |
| 04:49.21 | muthu | personally given a choice.. i'll take android for now |
| 04:49.37 | muthu | a lot more freedom on android |
| 04:49.57 | muthu | so for all you confused folks.. stay with android :-D |
| 04:50.55 | jasta | I'm writing Javadoc for my service .aidl files hehe. Wonder if there is any way to actually incorporate this documentation somewhere meaningful :) |
| 04:51.06 | muthu | iphone is good for android development.. it will keep the google guys innovating a lot more |
| 04:51.26 | muthu | put it on googlecode |
| 04:51.40 | jasta | No, I mean, what will scan this and generate documentation? :) |
| 04:51.53 | jasta | The normal javadoc path certainly won't understand this? |
| 04:52.20 | muthu | eclipse don't do it? |
| 04:52.28 | jasta | I don't know, does it? |
| 04:52.32 | muthu | it should |
| 04:52.40 | jasta | are you sure, for .aidl files? |
| 04:52.41 | muthu | i know openintents did that |
| 04:52.58 | muthu | its an interface right? |
| 04:53.26 | jasta | yeah, it's loosely an IDL file |
| 04:53.30 | jasta | but not strictly |
| 04:54.29 | muthu | its surprising how long it take people to find things |
| 04:54.41 | muthu | i had some tutorials published last year |
| 04:55.02 | muthu | after almost a year.. people now seem to find it and like it |
| 04:55.35 | muthu | so patience my friend! |
| 04:56.01 | jasta | Obviously, that's the whole reasons search engines are useful :) |
| 04:56.19 | jasta | and why you will be shot if you publish URLs on the web that are not permanent :) |
| 04:56.39 | muthu | correct |
| 04:57.00 | muthu | my point is, it take a lof of time for the world to catch up |
| 04:58.26 | muthu | jasta: re - URL's being permanent, thank goodness for the free storage services |
| 05:03.53 | muthu | jasta: if you have an idea, you can apply for iFund |
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| 05:36.55 | muthu | #android is boring because |
| 05:37.10 | muthu | only developers come in here :( |
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| 05:52.56 | Aetmos | and androids, but they don't talk much |
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| 07:43.25 | thedaniel` | sb end |
| 07:53.28 | thedaniel` | hey guys and gals, this class MyLocationOverlay (extends Overlay) doesn't have a public constructor, and I can't seem to find a method that returns it anywhere |
| 07:53.33 | thedaniel` | sb end |
| 07:53.52 | thedaniel` | whoops |
| 07:53.54 | thedaniel` | ha! |
| 07:54.01 | thedaniel` | sticky / key |
| 07:54.09 | thedaniel` | i was wondering why /sb end wasn't doing anything |
| 08:00.04 | thedaniel` | nvm about the MyLocationOverlay, the trusty debugger shows it is already there when i create a new OverlayControlelr |
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| 08:42.23 | muthu | http://blogs.msdn.com/larryosterman/archive/2008/03/07/the-trouble-with-giblets.aspx |
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| 16:18.02 | chomchom | Woo yeah! Go Android! Hi Everybody! |
| 16:20.44 | chomchom | I bet the Iphone SDK has featured in conversation quite a bit in the past few days. It's really good news! We're going to see a whole lot of attention on mobile apps in the next year or two. Pretty exciting stuff. |
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| 16:43.10 | davidw | hi chomchom |
| 16:45.21 | chomchom | hello, Maybe the admins could set the IRC topic to be an Android blog post by someone in the community every day. That would be a bit more interesting, or even an interesting forum post. |
| 16:56.58 | kurzum | discuss :D |
| 16:59.28 | chomchom | It would also give people who might not be crawling blogs and rss feeds everyday some exposure to new sources of android info. |
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| 17:16.09 | davidw | chomchom, talk with morrildl about it |
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| 19:14.57 | chomchom | I'm trying to run the vanilla junit tests in m5, I see there is a bug listed in the tracker but is there a workaround? |
| 19:15.47 | chomchom | via eclipse |
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| 20:05.52 | chaosvoyager | (* looks at topic *) 0_0 |
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| 20:06.39 | chaosvoyager | Gaa...why even open that door? |
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| 20:59.29 | chaosvoyager | So... anyone play around with the iPhone SDK? |
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| 21:03.42 | *** topic/#android is Why are our IRC channel topics so boring, anyway? Discuss. |
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| 21:06.52 | Garett | any word on when the reverse geocoder will actually work? |
| 21:27.20 | davidw | hrm |
| 21:27.26 | davidw | hrm hrm hrm hrm hrm hrm hrm |
| 21:27.55 | chaosvoyager | (* ponder *) |
| 21:35.22 | davidw | I miss getResourceAsStream |
| 21:35.54 | chaosvoyager | 0_o |
| 21:36.39 | chaosvoyager | Android seems to want to keep Resource access to itsefl. |
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| 21:45.24 | davidw | yes... that's annoying |
| 21:55.48 | chaosvoyager | Maybe they want to isolate access to it because they're not sure what the final format will be. |
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| 22:10.36 | davidw | *hah* |
| 22:10.53 | davidw | ZipFile works with the apk file itself |
| 22:11.04 | davidw | now... I need a way to be sure of the name |
| 22:11.54 | chaosvoyager | Why are you delving into the apk file so intently? |
| 22:13.35 | davidw | I want to be able to update it dynamically, without all the BS of going through compiling the resources |
| 22:15.26 | chaosvoyager | :) |
| 22:16.00 | chaosvoyager | Same here, but I don't think it's in the 'Android Plan'. |
| 22:16.30 | chaosvoyager | I suspect you'll get lots of 'not recommend' comments. |
| 22:16.50 | davidw | why do you need that? |
| 22:17.13 | romainguy | chaosvoyager: Well, the implications of applications being able to modify .apk can be scary |
| 22:17.14 | chaosvoyager | Eh, you mean for dynamically updating the resources and layout? |
| 22:17.40 | davidw | romainguy, not modify, just read |
| 22:17.50 | romainguy | ah ok |
| 22:17.57 | romainguy | I suppose ZipFile should be enough then |
| 22:18.01 | davidw | I can understand not modifying them just fine |
| 22:18.02 | romainguy | an .apk is just a zip |
| 22:18.28 | chomchom | is it?! like a jar. I never even knew that. |
| 22:18.29 | davidw | romainguy, know how to get, say, /data/Foo.apk out of the Context or Activity or whatever? argv[0] as it were... |
| 22:18.34 | davidw | chomchom, yeah |
| 22:18.41 | romainguy | davidw: ah ok I see |
| 22:18.49 | romainguy | davidw: I guess you don't for know :)) |
| 22:18.52 | romainguy | now |
| 22:18.57 | chaosvoyager | davidw: What did you mean by 'update it dynamically' then? |
| 22:19.26 | davidw | I just mean that the user, on their computer, can add stuff to the .apk as if it were a .zip file without also doing the compile step |
| 22:20.00 | chaosvoyager | Ah. |
| 22:20.10 | davidw | I could put a .zip in the .zip and play with that, but that's ugly |
| 22:20.17 | davidw | Imean a .zip in /res/raw |
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| 22:23.50 | chaosvoyager | I hate to be a party pooper, but you still need to compile the actual resources into a binary format, don't you? |
| 22:25.45 | davidw | it doesn't touch the stuff in raw |
| 22:26.00 | chaosvoyager | Ah. |
| 22:28.53 | chaosvoyager | Are you doing this to speed up development, or to provide a runtime feature to the end user? |
| 22:31.56 | davidw | ease of development for the end user |
| 22:31.58 | davidw | it's for Hecl |
| 22:32.13 | davidw | I already have a java thing that generates a new .apk more or less automatically |
| 22:32.27 | chaosvoyager | :O |
| 22:32.34 | chaosvoyager | Hecl? ROCK! |
| 22:37.04 | chomchom | So have you aiming to have the equivalent of a CI android build? |
| 22:38.08 | davidw | ? |
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| 22:41.36 | chomchom | davidw: Sorry maybe I didn't get you but if you have a script written in Hecl updating your deployed package you'll get instant feedback, I guess it will just be for raw stuff though. |
| 22:42.28 | davidw | it can't updated the deployed package |
| 22:42.28 | chomchom | I've never saw a Hecl app before, just wonder what you are up to with it. |
| 22:42.44 | davidw | well, making it possible to write Android apps with it |
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| 22:43.48 | chomchom | What advantages would Hecl offer? Apart from a little independence from the android platform? |
| 22:46.46 | davidw | quicker and easier to develop with compared to Java |
| 22:46.52 | davidw | it's dynamic, too |
| 22:47.06 | davidw | meaning you can download scripts or create new ones on the fly |
| 22:47.52 | davidw | sort of the same reason people use ruby or python or php or whatever instead of Java |
| 22:49.04 | zhobbs | hecl will be cool, write up little scripts on your phone |
| 22:49.27 | davidw | well, or beforehand... actually writing them on the phone might be painful |
| 22:49.34 | jasta | i bet someone will port Perl and Python :) |
| 22:49.45 | jasta | and write robust bindings for them |
| 22:49.50 | davidw | yeah, when the source comes out, all that stuff will too |
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| 22:55.56 | davidw | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.01 | davidw | he shoots, he scores:-) |
| 22:56.30 | chaosvoyager | How do I specify which intent listener takes precedence in responding to a broadcast? |
| 22:56.51 | zhobbs | chaosvoyager: I think with broadcasted ones they all get it |
| 22:57.25 | zhobbs | chaosvoyager: with startActivity(Intent) I think the user will be prompted if there are mutliple actions avalable |
| 22:58.13 | chaosvoyager | Really? |
| 22:58.19 | jasta | i sort of doubt that |
| 22:58.29 | jasta | perhaps prompted at the time of install |
| 22:58.44 | davidw | that would make sense |
| 22:59.35 | zhobbs | jasta: I've seen the "Multiple actions available" dialog in a google demo video |
| 22:59.55 | jasta | really? where? |
| 23:00.20 | zhobbs | at that show in barcelona I think |
| 23:00.23 | zhobbs | lemme look |
| 23:01.48 | davidw | so... it's not possible to install new apps via the web yet is it |
| 23:01.55 | davidw | hrm hrm hrm |
| 23:01.56 | jasta | not yet |
| 23:02.16 | zhobbs | yeah, webkit doesn't seem to want to handle any filetypes |
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| 23:06.15 | zhobbs | jasta: 3rd video about 30 secs there is a dialog "Intent availability..", can't tell if that's part of the app or standard: http://www.helloandroid.com/node/255 |
| 23:06.34 | davidw | how about PackageManager installPackage ? |
| 23:06.37 | davidw | tried that guys? |
| 23:06.45 | zhobbs | I did with M3, doesn't work very well |
| 23:06.59 | zhobbs | doesn't work at all unless you install the app into /system/app |
| 23:07.07 | davidw | oh... well that's useless |
| 23:07.24 | jasta | new packages are installed by simply placing them in /data/app. they're using inotify on that directory. |
| 23:08.04 | davidw | I'm curious about doing it programmatically, giving, of course, the user the chance to say yes or no |
| 23:08.12 | davidw | not really a necessity at this point... just curious |
| 23:09.52 | zhobbs | I'm planning on creating a PackageManager app after the challenge |
| 23:10.20 | zhobbs | one that will interface with hello android's applications section (going to have to totally rework that also) |
| 23:11.02 | zhobbs | or maybe someone will make a good one for the challenge and I'll just use that |
| 23:11.18 | jasta | i have that goal as well |
| 23:11.36 | jasta | perhaps we should do it jointly? |
| 23:11.45 | chaosvoyager | Google should have had that goal to begin with. |
| 23:11.49 | zhobbs | yeah, definitely |
| 23:12.06 | zhobbs | jasta: yeah we should collaborate |
| 23:12.27 | davidw | the apple store thing for iphone apps isn't a bad thing |
| 23:12.56 | davidw | for the end user, something like that is a lot less stressful than looking at some shoddy junky site for shoddy junky apps |
| 23:13.14 | zhobbs | davidw: is that on the computer or on the phone? |
| 23:13.53 | jasta | solves Android's security problem nicely as well. if most folks get all their apps from a single set of mirrored repositories, there is no need to consider if you trust each app. |
| 23:13.57 | jasta | you need only trust the repository. |
| 23:15.55 | chaosvoyager | Is there a simple Android GTalk example somewhere? |
| 23:16.05 | jasta | other than in the apidemos? |
| 23:17.13 | dragor43 | i think there's a gtalk program on davanum's blog |
| 23:17.37 | dragor43 | http://davanum.wordpress.com/2007/11/23/totally-unofficial-android-gtalk-client-sendreceive-xmpp-messages/ |
| 23:17.49 | dragor43 | it's for M3 so you're need to change some stuff |
| 23:17.53 | dragor43 | you'll* |
| 23:18.02 | davidw | Hecl has some gtalk stuff too:-> |
| 23:18.03 | chaosvoyager | Yeah, it was the first thing up on a search. |
| 23:18.15 | chaosvoyager | er, the blog that is. |
| 23:19.07 | davidw | http://journal.dedasys.com/articles/2008/02/10/seathreepo-android-translator |
| 23:19.24 | davidw | you could play with updating that if you feel like playing with the code:-) |
| 23:19.45 | zhobbs | davidw: do you have a site with the hecl stuff? |
| 23:20.00 | davidw | www.hecl.org - the code is all in subversion |
| 23:21.15 | davidw | sleep time for me...later |
| 23:21.27 | zhobbs | cya |
| 23:21.32 | chomchom | goodnight |
| 23:33.02 | jasta | davidw: that translator thing would be really great if you paired it with a powerful OCR tool |
| 23:33.14 | jasta | so you could snap a picture of something you can't read and have it translate for you |
| 23:41.21 | zhobbs | yeah, we need OCR for the camera |
| 23:42.42 | zhobbs | looks like all the ocr java libs are commercial |
| 23:42.56 | jasta | there's a GNU OCR tool but i do not know how good it is. |
| 23:43.24 | jasta | it would be easy to use in Android |
| 23:43.42 | jasta | zhobbs: Remember, we are not actually limited to native Java code :) |
| 23:43.54 | zhobbs | that's true |
| 23:44.00 | zhobbs | after april 14 |
| 23:44.36 | zhobbs | I'm tired of the emulator...I need a phone! |
| 23:45.06 | jasta | and then you'll just get tired of your phone |
| 23:45.08 | jasta | and want a real android |
| 23:45.28 | zhobbs | that would be nice because I'm hungry |
| 23:45.43 | zhobbs | it could whip something up in the kitchen |
| 23:46.25 | jasta | i thought you wanted to eat it |
| 23:46.48 | zhobbs | heh |
| 23:48.32 | zhobbs | looks like tesseract is a pretty good open source ocr |
| 23:49.07 | zhobbs | google looks like they contribute to it a lot |
| 23:49.33 | jasta | interesting |
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| 23:56.26 | jasta | zhobbs: that would really be a very useful project. |
| 23:56.33 | jasta | especially for folks traveling around Europ |
| 23:56.34 | jasta | e |
| 23:56.47 | jasta | combine it with babelfish |