| 07:01.43 | *** join/#aegis coolty (~coolty@unaffiliated/coolty) |
| 07:02.02 | coolty | aegis: why are you spamming me with unsolicited PMs? |
| 07:04.12 | aegis | oh,because you were talking about me |
| 07:04.20 | aegis | in #bitcoin-otc |
| 07:04.27 | aegis | So I had questions |
| 07:04.52 | aegis | You weren't spammed by the way. |
| 07:05.01 | coolty | Spam is subjective |
| 07:06.23 | aegis | well 3 or 4 short PM's in response to you beginning an unsolicited conversation about me is not spam. |
| 07:06.51 | aegis | I simply asked you why you were saying anything about me. |
| 07:07.50 | coolty | Those aren't the exact words you used |
| 07:08.32 | aegis | I'm paraphrasing |
| 07:09.46 | aegis | actually I sent you 2 PM's |
| 07:10.11 | coolty | 4 by my count |
| 07:10.47 | coolty | Anyways I was just wondering. Seemed like you were trying to start drama |
| 07:10.53 | aegis | well regardless, they were in response to you talking about me so I figured we should discuss. |
| 07:11.03 | aegis | No |
| 07:11.12 | aegis | I'm anti-drama |
| 07:11.23 | coolty | Asking rhetorical questions usually is a telltale sign of drama |
| 07:11.41 | aegis | rhetorical? |
| 07:11.47 | coolty | If you can see the chat, you know why I mentioned your name |
| 07:12.00 | aegis | Did I do something to you? |
| 07:12.14 | coolty | Not that I'm aware of |
| 07:12.32 | aegis | Which warranted you getting involved with me or trying to enforce unwarranted bans on me? |
| 07:12.37 | aegis | Exactly. |
| 07:13.06 | aegis | In fact, because I was ripped off by one of the ops who runs coinabul |
| 07:13.12 | aegis | for $1300 |
| 07:13.28 | aegis | they kick ban me because I told and tell people |
| 07:13.43 | aegis | Do you think that is moral? |
| 07:13.56 | coolty | Whether they are unwarranted or not is irrelevant, I was merely informing the channel of the connection. Since talking about yourself in the 3rd person is a little suspicious. |
| 07:14.19 | aegis | I am not talking about myself in the third person |
| 07:14.23 | coolty | You were |
| 07:14.38 | aegis | There are other people involved. |
| 07:14.50 | coolty | <peranolysissomes> -He did get scammed... so far. |
| 07:15.08 | aegis | But regardless, before jumping into a situation like that you should really determine what happened. |
| 07:15.26 | coolty | Like I said, I don't care what happened or not. I don't have control over the bans in the channel |
| 07:15.29 | coolty | I'm not an OP |
| 07:15.35 | coolty | So what I do really makes no difference |
| 07:15.46 | aegis | the ops continue to protect one of their own who continues to rip off people over and over again and yet no one will say anything. |
| 07:16.10 | coolty | If what you say is true, then eventually it will come to light. Maybe you are going about this the wrong way |
| 07:16.10 | aegis | I did, and I get kicked/banned for it... trying to actually HELP people not get scammed. |
| 07:16.21 | aegis | coolty: really? |
| 07:16.25 | aegis | hold on a sec |
| 07:17.02 | coolty | Connecting from proxies/alternate IP addresses and pretending to be someone you're not is highly suspicious and nobody is going to take your side when you do that. |
| 07:17.03 | aegis | http://www.talkbitcoins.com/talk-bitcoins/coinabul-has-many-scammer-accusations/317/ |
| 07:17.26 | aegis | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323183.0 |
| 07:17.40 | aegis | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=149253.0 |
| 07:18.01 | aegis | it's the only way to communicate freely under the tyrrany |
| 07:18.07 | coolty | Like I said. I'm not here to debate whether or not you were scammed |
| 07:18.18 | aegis | the whole internet is full of complaints about the guy |
| 07:18.33 | aegis | but if you mention it, you get banned |
| 07:18.34 | coolty | If that's the case, why hasn't he been jailed yet for scamming? |
| 07:18.48 | aegis | He has had run ins with law enforcement |
| 07:19.38 | aegis | he has lawsuits |
| 07:19.47 | aegis | Jason has filed complaints with the FTC |
| 07:19.54 | aegis | it is in the WoT |
| 07:20.07 | aegis | but if you talk about it and try to help people, the ops ban you. |
| 07:20.31 | coolty | Well only 1 person has negrated him |
| 07:20.35 | coolty | (assuming you mean coingenuity) |
| 07:20.36 | aegis | So I'm just letting you know the real deal... if you feel the need to run to them and narc out a legit bitcoin trader |
| 07:20.42 | aegis | then so be it |
| 07:20.52 | coolty | oh, 4 |
| 07:20.55 | aegis | but you should really know what the reasons of what is happening |
| 07:21.00 | aegis | dude, there are way more |
| 07:21.06 | coolty | http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=coingenuity&type=RECV&sign=NEG |
| 07:21.19 | aegis | right they have been edited |
| 07:21.29 | aegis | but look at google |
| 07:21.42 | aegis | more scam complaints come up than you can imagine |
| 07:21.51 | coolty | Well Jason isn't banned in OTC anymore |
| 07:22.19 | aegis | right |
| 07:22.25 | aegis | because he can't tell anyone |
| 07:22.46 | aegis | does that seem legit at all? |
| 07:22.54 | aegis | go to the bitcoin-otc.com website |
| 07:22.59 | aegis | look on the left side banner |
| 07:23.08 | aegis | do you see the problem? |
| 07:23.33 | coolty | I don't actually. I have adblock. |
| 07:23.36 | aegis | anyway, I'm not a bad guy... No reason to try to hurt me. I did nothing but try to help people and have paid the price. |
| 07:23.42 | aegis | coinabul.com advert |
| 07:23.51 | aegis | they are in bed with one another |
| 07:24.04 | coolty | Well that would make sense why they are defending him then |
| 07:24.08 | aegis | corruption from the top down |
| 07:24.19 | coolty | If they get funding from them, probably why they ban anyone saying bad things about them. |
| 07:24.22 | aegis | so how can you trust anything built on that |
| 07:24.37 | aegis | the WoT is supposed to be unbiased |
| 07:24.40 | coolty | Have you talked to nanotube about it? |
| 07:25.03 | aegis | I have told him in other channels that coingenuity cannot ban me in (yet) |
| 07:25.15 | coolty | try a PM |
| 07:25.32 | aegis | I ask coingenuity about my order, and he responds calling me an asshole and a dick |
| 07:25.41 | aegis | we are talking $1300 |
| 07:25.44 | aegis | in BTC |
| 07:25.49 | aegis | they stole |
| 07:25.59 | aegis | so anyway, I just wanted you to know the bigger picture |
| 07:26.21 | aegis | if you look, you'll see, coingenuity logged on, then all of a sudden "midnightmagic" kickbans me |
| 07:26.22 | coolty | That's fine, but I don't buy precious metals anyways so I'm not really affected |
| 07:26.45 | aegis | it wasn't a coincidence |
| 07:26.45 | coolty | so you're saying they're the same person? |
| 07:26.46 | aegis | ok |
| 07:26.53 | aegis | I suspect they are |
| 07:26.57 | aegis | look at the WoT |
| 07:27.12 | aegis | why would midnightmagic be an op with so few trades |
| 07:27.19 | aegis | if that was a legit account |
| 07:27.36 | coolty | I don't really think trades have anything to do with why they choose ops |
| 07:27.36 | aegis | I have no direct evidence... but I suspect it. |
| 07:27.49 | aegis | well, okay, fair enough |
| 07:28.03 | aegis | but why would someone be in bitcoin-otc if they aren't into trading or whatever |
| 07:28.23 | aegis | what the hell is going on in bitcoin-otc right now? |
| 07:28.26 | aegis | do you see this? |
| 07:28.27 | coolty | holy shit |
| 07:28.31 | coolty | it's being flooded |
| 07:28.40 | aegis | that was crazy |
| 07:28.48 | aegis | wonder why the bots didn't kick in |
| 07:28.58 | coolty | dunno |
| 07:29.19 | aegis | that's pretty crazy |
| 07:29.25 | coolty | I thought maybe it was base64 |
| 07:29.27 | coolty | hidden messages |
| 07:29.31 | coolty | but nope, just garbage |
| 07:30.27 | aegis | nice |
| 07:30.34 | aegis | anyway I have no problem with you |
| 07:30.42 | aegis | and sorry you thought I spammed you |
| 07:31.21 | coolty | No problem. Nothing against you but I'd do the same to anyone in the channel that I suspect foulplay |
| 07:31.50 | coolty | And it looks like unfortunately I can't do anything about the "bigger picture" problem. |
| 07:31.55 | aegis | well cool then help speak out against them |
| 07:32.04 | aegis | and change the culture of corruption |
| 07:32.14 | aegis | if you want bitcoin-otc to have any value in the future |
| 07:32.39 | coolty | Well if what you say is true then you either have to accept the corruption or move on to other sources of trading. |
| 07:33.34 | coolty | Like you said, from the top down. |
| 07:44.29 | coolty | So, unless you plan to somehow get users to make a mass-exodus to a new channel |
| 07:44.40 | coolty | I don't really see what you could possibly do |
| 07:44.46 | coolty | to stop corruption |
| 07:46.44 | aegis | well, honestly, how much trading do you really think goes on there? |
| 07:46.59 | aegis | more people get scammed on a daily basis in otc than legit trades... by far |
| 07:46.59 | coolty | idk, around 100 trades a day or less |
| 07:47.30 | coolty | so then what do you suggest as an alternative |
| 07:47.47 | aegis | doubtful, but even if that were true, it is a drop in the bucket of what a site like localbitcoins.com does |
| 07:48.42 | coolty | yeah |
| 07:49.32 | coolty | well the 1st rule on the internet is: Don't trust a website with private whois information. |
| 07:49.37 | coolty | and coinabul.com has private whois. |
| 07:50.58 | coolty | Now, I'm not saying it's your fault for getting scammed |
| 07:51.17 | coolty | but you could have atleast done some research before doing business with them |
| 07:51.33 | coolty | if what you say is true and there are tons of scam reports against them, wouldn't a simple google search reveal such information? |
| 08:03.36 | coolty | test |
| 08:03.42 | coolty | did i miss anything? |
| 08:08.53 | coolty | btw |
| 08:08.55 | coolty | aegis: |
| 08:09.01 | coolty | you have the wrong links on that site |
| 08:09.06 | coolty | the text is right but the href is wrong. |
| 08:09.25 | coolty | they all point to https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=179931.0 |
| 08:11.25 | aegis | huh? |
| 08:11.43 | aegis | there are like hundreds of links |
| 08:11.46 | aegis | lol |
| 08:11.52 | aegis | and complaints |
| 08:13.26 | aegis | https://www.goldstockbull.com/articles/warning-buy-gold-silver-coinabul/ |
| 08:14.27 | aegis | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/1u2e1f/do_not_order_anything_from_coinabulcom_it_is_a/ |
| 08:14.47 | aegis | http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/21ilic/beware_of_coinabulcom_after_4_months_i_still_have/ |
| 08:15.28 | aegis | http://www.talkbitcoins.com/talk-bitcoins/coinabul-has-many-scammer-accusations/317/ |
| 08:16.57 | aegis | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=323183.0 |
| 08:16.58 | coolty | i meant this website |
| 08:17.10 | coolty | <coolty> well the 1st rule on the internet is: Don't trust a website with private whois information. |
| 08:17.10 | coolty | <coolty> and coinabul.com has private whois. |
| 08:17.11 | coolty | <coolty> Now, I'm not saying it's your fault for getting scammed |
| 08:17.11 | coolty | <coolty> but you could have atleast done some research before doing business with them |
| 08:17.11 | coolty | <coolty> if what you say is true and there are tons of scam reports against them, wouldn't a simple google search reveal such information? |
| 08:17.12 | aegis | https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=152382.0 |
| 08:17.24 | aegis | I did |
| 08:17.26 | aegis | !!! |
| 08:17.34 | aegis | I publicly went into bitcoin-otc |
| 08:17.43 | coolty | what i mean is |
| 08:17.45 | aegis | for 2 days asking if anyone knew or had problems |
| 08:17.52 | coolty | oh ok |
| 08:17.54 | aegis | and no one would say anything |
| 08:17.55 | aegis | for fear |
| 08:18.02 | aegis | of being banned and negrated |
| 08:18.15 | coolty | so after seeing all the scamming reports and such, you thought it would be ok to still do business? |
| 08:18.49 | aegis | and I have all the chat logs... he said it was all due to AML issues and that my order was under that limit so they could ship right away |
| 08:19.08 | aegis | I trusted bitcoin-otc |
| 08:19.16 | aegis | he was an op |
| 08:19.22 | aegis | and an official sponsor |
| 08:19.31 | aegis | of bitcoin-otc |
| 08:19.34 | coolty | i see |
| 08:19.45 | aegis | so I figured oh these must be competitors |
| 08:19.55 | aegis | but yeah |
| 08:19.58 | aegis | I got scammed |
| 08:20.02 | aegis | and I can't tell anyone |
| 08:20.07 | aegis | because you see what happens |
| 08:20.10 | aegis | when I did |
| 08:21.02 | coolty | hmm |
| 08:21.30 | coolty | I know a former employee of coinabul |
| 08:21.40 | coolty | I wonder if he quit because of the bad practices |
| 08:24.38 | aegis | Jason |
| 08:24.50 | aegis | just look at coingenuity's WoT rating |
| 08:24.59 | aegis | and look for Jason's rating of him |
| 08:25.00 | aegis | http://pastebin.com/kLYSwhQT |
| 08:28.21 | aegis | 33383Jason18coingenuity2014-02-27 05:32:28-10His company, Coinabul, owes me over $1,500 in unpaid wages. Abused his operator status and banned me from -OTC for negatively rating him. |
| 09:06.34 | coolty | aegis: no it wasn't jason |
| 09:06.36 | coolty | it was jon |
| 09:08.50 | coolty | btw you're unbanned now aegis |
| 09:09.07 | coolty | i think |
| 16:08.39 | aegis | oh thanks |
| 16:09.12 | aegis | lol... not exactly. |
| 16:09.15 | aegis | * Cannot join #bitcoin-otc (You are banned). |