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| 17:03.26 | fax\ | yo |
| 17:03.36 | lg188 | how its goeing |
| 17:03.45 | lg188 | going |
| 17:04.08 | fax\ | pretty bored |
| 17:04.10 | fax\ | S: |
| 17:04.23 | fax\ | want to make some teat |
| 17:04.25 | fax\ | ER |
| 17:04.26 | fax\ | tea |
| 17:04.26 | fax\ | lol |
| 17:04.27 | fax\ | you |
| 17:04.31 | fax\ | ? |
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| 17:09.52 | lg188 | im talking to more pepel |
| 17:10.02 | lg188 | i nede to make aown server |
| 17:10.12 | fax\ | cool |
| 17:10.17 | lg188 | dou you now how ? |
| 17:10.24 | fax\ | have you got |
| 17:10.36 | fax\ | get an internetconnection that is yours |
| 17:10.36 | lg188 | its for a site that needs a server to chat |
| 17:10.42 | lg188 | ? |
| 17:10.45 | lg188 | oké |
| 17:10.48 | lg188 | ... |
| 17:10.52 | lg188 | :S |
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| 17:12.00 | lg188 | dou jou now somthing of scripting ? |
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| 18:11.37 | Ubuntu-fr725 | re-bonjour ubuntuistes :) |
| 18:11.53 | Ubuntu-fr725 | quelqu'un utilise vmware pour faire tourner ubuntu? |
| 18:11.55 | fax\ | HELLO |
| 18:12.05 | fax\ | #x en fr hello how are you :) |
| 18:12.08 | LuX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.52 | Ubuntu-fr725 | you're english? |
| 18:12.56 | lg188 | yes |
| 18:13.06 | fax\ | O_o |
| 18:13.18 | lg188 | O_o |
| 18:13.19 | Ubuntu-fr725 | i was asking if someone is using vmware with ubuntu? |
| 18:13.28 | lg188 | i dont |
| 18:13.31 | fax\ | lg188: I dont think they were asking you |
| 18:13.36 | fax\ | if you were english |
| 18:13.52 | lg188 | oké |
| 18:14.14 | Ubuntu-fr725 | bref, je vais me documenter alors |
| 18:14.25 | Ubuntu-fr725 | thanks |
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| 20:59.56 | Arael | I would like to contribute a lot of data into wiktionary (new definitions, images, IPA pronunciation etc.) but there is no simple way to import data into wiktionary. |
| 21:02.16 | Arael | I have taken a look at the wiktionary data and I have realized that it is really difficult to work with the web interface. |
| 21:04.24 | Arael | I can create a system with wiktionary data but with different and very easy to use interface. Everything would be possible then. Import and export of data. Online statistics. Editing entries with one click etc. |
| 21:09.06 | fax\ | ok |
| 21:09.06 | fax\ | well |
| 21:09.18 | fax\ | do you know any languagE? |
| 21:09.24 | Arael | yes |
| 21:09.25 | fax\ | like perl, or bash or somesuch? |
| 21:09.31 | Arael | php and java |
| 21:09.32 | fax\ | have you seen 'curl' ? |
| 21:09.52 | fax\ | its a program for HTTPing,, download webpages, POST etc |
| 21:10.04 | Arael | never seen curl |
| 21:10.13 | fax\ | you could probably knock together a simple program to perform data entry |
| 21:10.17 | fax\ | sec |
| 21:10.28 | fax\ | this is the program |
| 21:10.28 | fax\ | http://curl.haxx.se/ |
| 21:10.39 | fax\ | so if you wanted to automate the process, |
| 21:11.05 | fax\ | curl & perl, bash, or some similar language which lets you call command line programs easily would probably be the best path |
| 21:11.25 | Arael | I have taken a look at wiktionary and wiktionaryz and both have pretty complicated database design |
| 21:12.03 | Arael | It is possible to create a simple database which would merge wiktionaries together. |
| 21:12.13 | fax\ | yes of course |
| 21:12.17 | fax\ | what is this website? |
| 21:12.20 | Arael | Search will look like this http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dog |
| 21:12.22 | fax\ | and what exactly are you looking to do |
| 21:13.00 | Arael | Well you know. Small thing - I have wiktionary data put them into database create search and edit scripts and put it online. |
| 21:13.06 | fax\ | the reason I suggested perl was you can inline regex and inline bash/shell commands |
| 21:13.47 | fax\ | you are trying to parse dictionary.ref.com and turn it into data for use in your own website? |
| 21:13.57 | Arael | nope |
| 21:14.00 | Arael | once again |
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| 21:14.14 | fax\ | Hi! |
| 21:14.18 | Arael | I have exported wiktionary data into excel table. |
| 21:14.24 | fax\ | alrigt |
| 21:14.45 | fax\ | and? |
| 21:14.58 | Arael | I can put this table into database and create really easy search and edit (in fact that is pretty much what whole wiktionary does) |
| 21:15.20 | Arael | If everything is really simple it will be really fast and users will love it. |
| 21:16.12 | fax\ | and what are you trying to acheive? |
| 21:16.15 | Arael | The search will look just like http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dog which is the biggest dictionary there is right now on the internet (everyone is used to it - new system can look similar) |
| 21:16.55 | Arael | I am trying to achieve very simple thing - create a dictionary for wiki without the problems current wiktionaries have - all are separated, complicated etc. |
| 21:17.14 | fax\ | you mean |
| 21:17.17 | fax\ | you are making a website? |
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| 21:17.21 | fax\ | an online dictionary? |
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| 21:17.45 | Arael | yes online wiktionary - better wiktionary - it can replace current wiktionary if it is better. |
| 21:17.53 | fax\ | cool |
| 21:18.02 | Arael | Looks like a plan right? ;-) |
| 21:18.20 | fax\ | it will be editable by users? |
| 21:18.24 | Arael | yes |
| 21:18.35 | Arael | just like now - but it will be much easier and faster to edit |
| 21:18.54 | Arael | you see mistake or blank field you press edit and add word and press save |
| 21:18.56 | fax\ | yeah sounds like a good idea |
| 21:19.03 | Arael | yeah I also think so |
| 21:19.18 | Arael | And it is very easy for me to create such system - few days of coding. |
| 21:19.33 | Arael | I have a lot of experience with dictionaries (since 2002) |
| 21:20.13 | fax\ | oh yeah |
| 21:20.19 | fax\ | what other type of stuff have you done? |
| 21:21.16 | Arael | I know many dictionary projects - wiktionaryz (created export and stats for them), ergane, global wordnet grid, wordnet, java dictionaries for mobile phones etc. I know many guys who work with dictionaries. |
| 21:21.41 | fax\ | oo |
| 21:21.43 | fax\ | :D |
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| 21:22.28 | fax\ | hello |
| 21:22.28 | fax\ | ! |
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| 21:22.49 | Arael | Gerard said he paid 100000€ for development of wiktionaryz - how about creating system that can do the same things in few days. |
| 21:24.00 | Arael | I have taken a look at the English wiktionary (which is the biggest) and guess what. It is a 350mb xml file BUT .... |
| 21:24.07 | Arael | The definitions are like 10MB |
| 21:24.28 | Arael | And the language entries (the translations) are like 10MB |
| 21:24.55 | Arael | Here are stats for wiktionary language entries http://wiki.webz.cz/wikt.png |
| 21:25.21 | fax\ | what aer the numbers |
| 21:25.24 | fax\ | in that graph |
| 21:25.40 | Arael | how many entries each language has |
| 21:25.47 | fax\ | aha |
| 21:25.52 | Arael | "Hund" is one entry for German |
| 21:26.02 | Arael | Entry is a word assigned to meaning. |
| 21:26.41 | Arael | When packed wiktionary fits on a floppy :-))))) - piece of cake to create a search and edit scripts for data that fits on a floppy :-))))) |
| 21:26.50 | fax\ | haha |
| 21:26.55 | Arael | ;-) |
| 21:27.00 | Arael | Piece of cake |
| 21:27.32 | Arael | When you scroll down on http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/dog there are also entries for many languages - do you see them? |
| 21:27.57 | fax\ | yeah |
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| 21:28.06 | Arael | I also have stats for wikipedia interlanguage links http://wiki.webz.cz/wiki.png |
| 21:28.23 | Arael | and for wiktionaryz http://wiki.webz.cz/wz.png |
| 21:28.36 | Arael | and for ergane http://wiki.webz.cz/ergane.png |
| 21:28.48 | fax\ | how do you get these stats? |
| 21:28.55 | Arael | I have the data ;-) |
| 21:28.58 | fax\ | how? |
| 21:29.11 | Arael | downloaded them from web and created the stats |
| 21:29.18 | fax\ | you download |
| 21:29.20 | fax\ | the entire |
| 21:29.24 | fax\ | website o_O |
| 21:29.27 | Arael | nope |
| 21:29.35 | Arael | all these projects offer data from download |
| 21:29.42 | fax\ | aha |
| 21:29.42 | Arael | * for download |
| 21:30.12 | Arael | Pity I was not around when ecclestology and brion created wiktionary |
| 21:30.42 | fax\ | you would have done it differently |
| 21:30.47 | Arael | yes |
| 21:31.02 | Arael | all wiktionaries have to be in one database and interconnected |
| 21:31.05 | Arael | example: |
| 21:31.11 | Arael | ID - 1 |
| 21:31.23 | Arael | 1: definitions for one meaning |
| 21:31.30 | Arael | 1: entries for all languages |
| 21:31.44 | Arael | for example 1 - meaning for dog |
| 21:32.07 | Arael | 2 - cat etc. |
| 21:32.45 | Arael | Right now wiktionary has like 10 definitions in one ID - that is bad thing. It is necessary to disambiguate a bit ;-) |
| 21:33.41 | Arael | I have asked Mr. Connel if he wants to upgrade wiktionary and he said hell yes! |
| 21:34.54 | Arael | Then there are thousands of normal editors and users and they can only edit the data the hard way - I am one of the guys who can redesign the system and make it work as it should work from the start. |
| 21:35.50 | fax\ | good luck! |
| 21:36.08 | Arael | I will make it work - piece of cake. |
| 21:36.26 | Arael | I have worked with much more data than one floppy :-))))) |
| 21:37.18 | Arael | It would be awesome if I could put the database and scripts on wikimedia server. Is that possible? |
| 21:37.37 | fax\ | hm if you have access to the server |
| 21:37.55 | Arael | right now I do not have access - is it hard to get access? |
| 21:38.03 | fax\ | um |
| 21:38.09 | fax\ | you need to ask the owner of the server I guess |
| 21:38.16 | Arael | and who is that? |
| 21:39.18 | fax\ | I dont knwo |
| 21:39.42 | Arael | I do not know either :-))). Who knows the owner of the server? |
| 21:39.50 | fax\ | email them |
| 21:39.59 | fax\ | contact, ask for details |
| 21:40.03 | Arael | Does Mr. Connel know them? |
| 21:40.08 | fax\ | but maybe you need a proff of concept? |
| 21:40.14 | Arael | Yes |
| 21:40.15 | fax\ | before they will accept your technologies |
| 21:40.41 | Arael | The technology and database design will be so simple that everyone understands in few seconds ;-). |
| 21:40.59 | Arael | That is why it is so easy to implement the system - because it is simple. |
