| 00:55.34 | *** join/##pxe iuriguilherme (~iuriguilh@177.19.74.21) |
| 15:05.39 | brutus901 | well, I've gotten a little farther |
| 15:05.54 | brutus901 | I have setup an nfs file share containing the knoppix cd files |
| 15:06.28 | brutus901 | and I did try configuring the default file using some info from another forum, but I did have to tweak it to get it to boot as much as it is right now |
| 15:07.39 | brutus901 | but it starts to boot knoppix, and right after it displays what cpu the machine has, it says that "Could not mount disk to /mnt-system. Starting debugging shell..." |
| 15:08.16 | brutus901 | then it says "sh: can't access tty: job control turned off" |
| 15:08.22 | brutus901 | and that's it |
| 17:32.19 | Nirkus | brutus901: which howto did you use? |
| 17:41.34 | brutus901 | I started off with this one |
| 17:41.35 | brutus901 | http://www.networkedmediatank.com/showthread.php?tid=1434 |
| 17:43.14 | brutus901 | Vinaduro helped me out with the passwd and group files that I need to pass to Windows Services for Unix, but I'm not sure they are quite right. Vinaduro didn't know for sure if they would work. |
| 17:43.46 | brutus901 | this is what is in the passwd file |
| 17:43.47 | brutus901 | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 17:44.00 | brutus901 | and this in the group file |
| 17:44.01 | brutus901 | root:x:0: |
| 17:45.00 | brutus901 | wait, Vinaduro did say it might not work - I missed that part |
| 17:45.03 | brutus901 | nuts |
| 19:33.36 | Nirkus | hmmm |
| 20:15.18 | brutus901 | if this were a purely linux setup, and you received this message, what would you think is going on? |
| 23:01.39 | Nirkus | windows based NFS servers as a rootfs for linux does sound pretty wrong |
| 23:01.50 | Nirkus | brutus901: this howto is from 2008 |
| 23:02.10 | Nirkus | both knoppix and windows did evolve somewhat since |
| 23:03.09 | Nirkus | brutus901: what do you need a knoppix over nfs for? |
| 23:03.45 | brutus901 | I use it for a couple tools - not that I specifically need knoppix, I just like it right now |
| 23:04.16 | brutus901 | I'm almost thinking about using damn small linux |
| 23:04.28 | brutus901 | and then just include the tools that I actually use |
| 23:04.45 | brutus901 | like smartctl, ddrescue |
| 23:04.51 | Nirkus | brutus901: so seem to be pretty scared of taking a leap towards linux |
| 23:05.05 | brutus901 | if my business is riding on it, yes |
| 23:05.27 | Nirkus | what hardware does your windows box occupy? |
| 23:05.33 | Nirkus | that NFS server thingy box |
| 23:06.19 | brutus901 | right now I basically have it installed on a 10 year old laptop, but the "server" is just an old small form factor dell |
| 23:06.54 | brutus901 | I use that because they are cheap, and I have 2 more than can go in it's place or can be used for parts |
| 23:07.04 | Nirkus | brutus901: you are scared of having some service run on any well-established user-friendly linuxbox, but you want to use some sized-down or specialized linux distros to boot them off a winfows-nfs-server.. thats somewhat inconsistent |
| 23:07.24 | brutus901 | I realize you're trying to convert me :) |
| 23:07.25 | Nirkus | brutus901: cpu, mem, disk |
| 23:08.18 | Nirkus | brutus901: im trying to show you the easiest ways of taking the first leap towards linux,yes |
| 23:08.30 | brutus901 | but do you really think that I should opt for a linux server to run all my stuff when the owner (myself-and the only employee) has no good knowledge of fixing it? |
| 23:08.43 | brutus901 | especially when I've been a windows guy for almost 16 years |
| 23:08.59 | brutus901 | I'm not arguing the fact that linux is the better OS |
| 23:09.18 | brutus901 | but in my situation, linux is not currently the best option for running a server |
| 23:09.56 | Nirkus | brutus901: i do not think that you should abandon your established windows environment. its always important to have something in storage for hotfixes and strange issues you cannot make time to fix |
| 23:10.18 | brutus901 | so what do you think my path should look like |
| 23:10.42 | Nirkus | brutus901: im trying to convince you to have a linux box to try stuff out side by side with your windows box(es) |
| 23:10.55 | Nirkus | brutus901: cpu, mem, disk of your dell boxes? |
| 23:11.14 | brutus901 | when I have this other stuff running, then that is a possibility |
| 23:11.29 | brutus901 | right now I need something to speed up my work |
| 23:11.50 | brutus901 | using what I currently use |
| 23:12.01 | brutus901 | and that will give me the time to work on a better solution |
| 23:12.28 | Nirkus | brutus901: windows services for unix and dusty howtos wont speed up your stuff, i think |
| 23:12.47 | brutus901 | implimenting what I have already will speed things up |
| 23:12.52 | Nirkus | brutus901: do your boxes have enough horse power to run a small linux VM? |
| 23:13.23 | brutus901 | 2.8 P4 HT, 1GB ram |
| 23:13.28 | brutus901 | not much power |
| 23:14.16 | Nirkus | brutus901: there are some tasks that your windows box will speed up for you, booting PXE clients and running NFS servers will not be among them, i guess |
| 23:14.50 | brutus901 | although right now the laptop is an old P3, and if it works the way I want it to with that, then the p4 will be a step up :) |
| 23:14.54 | Nirkus | brutus901: so, you have at least one box sitting around - harvest the 1GByte of RAM and put it in one of your windows boxes |
| 23:15.39 | brutus901 | I've got lots of boxes sitting around, but these old dells are identical, and they are dirt cheap |
| 23:15.51 | Nirkus | brutus901: a P4 2.8GHz with 2 Gigs of RAM should be able to run a small Linux server VM while still being windows ;) |
| 23:16.28 | brutus901 | but what am I really accomplishing by switching? |
| 23:16.38 | Nirkus | brutus901: harvest 1 GByte of RAM of one "spare" dell box and put it in another dell box running as a windows "server" |
| 23:16.51 | brutus901 | from where I'm sitting, all I need is to get the configuration figured out and that's it |
| 23:17.15 | brutus901 | I can currently boot other things, such as memtest, dban |
| 23:17.20 | Nirkus | brutus901: you will have one dell box with 2GBytes of RAM running windows and a small Linux VM which will do the dirty linux services like NFS for you out of the box |
| 23:17.54 | brutus901 | so running a vm of linux on my windows box |
| 23:18.27 | Nirkus | brutus901: well if youre geting some errors about terminals, init processes, shells or rootfs not working or missing, its usually a buggy NFS root, a kernel w/o NFS root support or an initrd not built to run on top of a NFS root |
| 23:18.34 | Nirkus | brutus901: correct |
| 23:18.50 | Nirkus | you could use VirtualBox, for example |
| 23:19.05 | Nirkus | build a VM which has bridged network access to your LAN |
| 23:19.14 | Nirkus | install Ubuntu server on that VM |
| 23:19.47 | brutus901 | one question though - with what I had typed out from earlier, was there anything that you saw that would be preventing it from working? |
| 23:19.49 | Nirkus | you keep your windows environment plus a little VM to play linux server for you |
| 23:20.47 | Nirkus | brutus901: i did not see anything on that howto relating to running linux over that NFS share from SFU, so i guess your missing some pretty important info - if that is even possible using SFU |
| 23:21.02 | brutus901 | not that stuff |
| 23:21.07 | brutus901 | here, I'll grab it for you |
| 23:21.47 | brutus901 | # Knoppix |
| 23:21.47 | brutus901 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.47 | brutus901 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.47 | brutus901 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.47 | brutus901 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.47 | brutus901 | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:21.52 | brutus901 | that is the defaut file |
| 23:22.03 | brutus901 | the passwd file looks like this |
| 23:22.18 | brutus901 | root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash |
| 23:22.35 | brutus901 | the group file |
| 23:22.36 | brutus901 | root:x:0: |
| 23:22.46 | brutus901 | those last two files are on the server |
| 23:23.00 | Nirkus | where on the server? |
| 23:24.24 | Nirkus | there are two issues i would investigate: (A) find documentation on how to netboot knoppix using NFS rootfs (B) find documentation on restrictions/bugs of SFU NFS server |
| 23:24.58 | Nirkus | if (A) + (B) suggest, that you could do it your way, you should try it. |
| 23:25.02 | brutus901 | in the Unix Services for Microsoft are where those files are |
| 23:25.45 | brutus901 | they are stored in the root tftp folder |
| 23:26.18 | Nirkus | the passwd and group file are missing everything besides root, you should have a complete knoppix root file system available in that share 192.168.2.254:/knoppix |
| 23:27.02 | Nirkus | i do not think, that windows SFU NFS service will be able to provide a linux rootfs using some directory residing on NTFS or FAT32 |
| 23:28.21 | Nirkus | http://pxe.dev.aboveaverageurl.com/index.php/PXE_Booting/Knoppix |
| 23:28.31 | Nirkus | that one will work using a linux VM as NFS server |
| 23:28.33 | Nirkus | ;) |
| 23:28.54 | Nirkus | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DisklessUbuntuHowto |
| 23:29.05 | Nirkus | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SettingUpNFSHowTo |
| 23:29.15 | brutus901 | so I won't have a problem running it in a VM? |
| 23:29.16 | Nirkus | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LiveCDNetboot |
| 23:29.45 | brutus901 | oh, and back to the passwd and group files |
| 23:29.57 | Nirkus | brutus901: you should be able to boot knoppix over network using NFS rootfs if you use a Linux VM as your NFS rootfs server |
| 23:30.04 | brutus901 | I have the entire cd in 192.168.2.254:/knoppix |
| 23:30.29 | brutus901 | unless I needed to do something with that cd other than extracting everything from the iso |
| 23:30.44 | Nirkus | brutus901: the CD wont do you any good unless KNOPPIX has some image on that to load over NFS into PXE client RAM |
| 23:31.21 | brutus901 | and I get knoppix to start booting, but it runs into that error |
| 23:31.27 | brutus901 | that I mentioned earlier |
| 23:31.44 | brutus901 | I'm guessing it can't access the nfs file share properly |
| 23:32.12 | Nirkus | brutus901: yeah, you are loading a linux kernel and initrd image using pxe, your kernel boots using that initrd as an inital boot environment in RAM. |
| 23:32.36 | Nirkus | brutus901: when it tries to switch over its rootfs to your NFS share, it failes on $issue |
| 23:33.20 | brutus901 | so if we assume that this computer I'm trying to pxe boot is booting off of a linux server, what would you change? |
| 23:34.09 | Nirkus | i would prepare a proper NFS root filesystem |
| 23:34.45 | brutus901 | is there any way I can simply boot the machine with a linux cd instead of trying to boot it off of pxe and diagnose the problem that way? |
| 23:35.15 | brutus901 | basically, I'm wondering if I can use a linux box that is already running to double check that the nfs share is shared properly |
| 23:36.35 | Nirkus | brutus901: you should be able to boot knoppix on any box in the same LAN as your NFS server and mount that NFS share on your knoppix client. |
| 23:36.51 | Nirkus | brutus901: if that works, at least that NFS share is usable |
| 23:37.09 | brutus901 | ok, I'm going to do that right now |
| 23:37.13 | Nirkus | needs to sleep now - it's pretty late in Germany ;) |
| 23:37.37 | Nirkus | brutus901: maybe tomorrow evening I would be able to support you somewhat |
| 23:37.50 | brutus901 | that would be great - thanks for all the info |
| 23:37.57 | brutus901 | and you may convert me one of these days :) |
| 23:37.58 | Nirkus | brutus901: np |
| 23:38.03 | Nirkus | hihi |
| 23:38.15 | Nirkus | evening meaning UTC evening btw ;) |
| 23:39.22 | Nirkus | i should be available aroung 19h - time zone Europe/Berlin. gn8 |
| 23:40.40 | brutus901 | ok sounds good |