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| 02:17.00 | fsk141 | ello |
| 02:17.09 | fsk141 | I need a little help installing a os with pxe |
| 02:17.35 | fsk141 | anyone? |
| 02:30.50 | cX-prophet | hello |
| 02:33.23 | cX-prophet | can i install windows xp with pxe on a dell l400 no cd rom i do have a external floppy that works my main desktop is running a dual boot of xp pro and vista |
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| 02:35.43 | cX-prophet | actuall the hd is locked and useless so is the a os i can boot from with out a hd in the laptop |
| 02:37.21 | ScytheBlade1 | cX-prophet: you can but it pretty much requires either a linux box or windows server |
| 02:37.34 | cX-prophet | hi |
| 02:38.07 | cX-prophet | windows server 2003 |
| 02:38.17 | cX-prophet | on my main comp |
| 02:38.22 | ScytheBlade1 | start --> run --> risetup.exe |
| 02:38.27 | ScytheBlade1 | Follow the prompts |
| 02:38.55 | cX-prophet | the computer im running now is dual boot xp/vista |
| 02:39.15 | cX-prophet | do i need to install server 2003 first |
| 02:39.25 | ScytheBlade1 | You either need linux or windows server 2000, 2003, or 2008 beta |
| 02:40.19 | cX-prophet | then my laptop will boot what ever server im running on my server |
| 02:40.23 | ScytheBlade1 | It /can/ be done on xp/vista, but, doing so requires some linux knowledge and tools, plus it's the furthest thing away from easy |
| 02:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | No, it will not |
| 02:40.59 | ScytheBlade1 | As soon as you install windows server, it can be made to install 2000, XP, or if patched to SP2, Vista |
| 02:41.39 | ScytheBlade1 | (or server 2000, 2003, and if patched to SP2, 2008) |
| 02:41.43 | cX-prophet | ok can i run 2003 as a vm |
| 02:41.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Probably |
| 02:42.38 | ScytheBlade1 | I would recommend reading this: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742501.aspx |
| 02:42.41 | ScytheBlade1 | In detail |
| 02:42.44 | cX-prophet | i really want this to work i spent hours earler with Tftpd32 to get it to see my main comp |
| 02:43.18 | cX-prophet | there was some linux stuff with that |
| 02:43.35 | cX-prophet | coulden get it to read my default file |
| 02:44.02 | ScytheBlade1 | How much do you know about linux? |
| 02:44.16 | cX-prophet | none |
| 02:44.21 | cX-prophet | sad i know |
| 02:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I'd say forget that, and install windows server |
| 02:44.30 | ScytheBlade1 | And let it do everything for you |
| 02:44.40 | cX-prophet | but im a verry fast learner |
| 02:45.03 | cX-prophet | dos linux offer the same user interface as windows |
| 02:45.23 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 02:45.29 | ScytheBlade1 | Not anything remotely close |
| 02:45.52 | ScytheBlade1 | Again, I'd advise you to forget the linux portion and drop windows server somewhere - and then let windows server PXE install XP for you |
| 02:45.59 | cX-prophet | the dell has 4 options pxe tcp/ip ris and somthing else |
| 02:46.41 | cX-prophet | my laptops hd is locked 20 gig have to trash it |
| 02:46.59 | cX-prophet | so i wont be installing any thing |
| 02:47.35 | cX-prophet | what os can i boot from that dosent require a hd if any |
| 02:48.29 | ScytheBlade1 | linux, unless you have a signed contract with Microsoft to license Windows PE |
| 02:49.06 | cX-prophet | windows pe u say |
| 02:49.17 | cX-prophet | i can get that |
| 02:49.23 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you've used it before, I wouldn't even bother trying :) |
| 02:50.40 | cX-prophet | can i boot from linux and use windows 2003 server for pxe |
| 02:51.20 | ScytheBlade1 | No |
| 02:51.31 | ScytheBlade1 | This requires that 2003 is installed on a hard drive |
| 02:52.37 | cX-prophet | you tell me whats the easy way to be able to get on the net with this laptop |
| 02:52.51 | cX-prophet | i have a wireless card for it |
| 02:54.24 | ScytheBlade1 | There is no easy way |
| 02:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | And PXE requires a wired connection |
| 02:55.46 | cX-prophet | ok if i get a hd for it? |
| 02:56.13 | cX-prophet | i can install xp |
| 02:56.23 | cX-prophet | with 2003 server |
| 02:56.27 | ScytheBlade1 | It'd probably be best if you just sent it back to dell |
| 02:56.40 | ScytheBlade1 | And let them fix it |
| 02:56.46 | ScytheBlade1 | They have disk imaging software made to do it |
| 02:58.00 | cX-prophet | i got 2 other laptop hard disks but the 20 gig in this dell is a little slimer for some reason |
| 02:58.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you can get a physical computer with 2003 installed on it, I'd probably just send it back |
| 02:59.13 | cX-prophet | if i get hd i can floppy install win 95 |
| 02:59.49 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you can get a physical computer with 2003 installed on it, I'd probably just send it back |
| 03:00.00 | cX-prophet | then download 98 and mount on a virtual drive and install |
| 03:00.20 | cX-prophet | ok i get it |
| 03:01.16 | cX-prophet | i got to install 2003 server on this computer and put a hd in the laptop then come back in here and ask some more questions |
| 03:02.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Before you ask, you'd need to read this: http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/bb742501.aspx |
| 03:02.22 | ScytheBlade1 | That's the documentation for windows RIS, which is the software you'd be using |
| 03:02.52 | cX-prophet | ok im gona read it now thank you |
| 03:03.54 | ScytheBlade1 | Yup |
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| 20:32.24 | root----- | badly need help with networking. please need your 5 mins.. http://pastebin.com/m2fbb2d05 |
| 20:45.46 | ScytheBlade1 | That's a lot more than five minutes |
| 20:46.03 | root----- | :) |
| 20:46.05 | root----- | any ideas |
| 20:46.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure, load XP onto a 2GB HD, install 3GB of RAM into your clients, and then transfer 2GB of data into the clients RAM upon boot |
| 20:47.13 | ScytheBlade1 | Concerning the locking of the screen, no ideas |
| 20:47.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Further, that way, instead of making the entire thing read only, you can simply reboot and it's back to defaults |
| 20:48.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Locking the screen, LDAP logins with XP, unlocking, etc., all beyond the scope of this channel :) |
| 20:49.33 | ScytheBlade1 | If loading the entire OS into RAM isn't workable for you, I'd suggest guest user accounts + DeepFreeze (http://www.faronics.com/) |
| 20:49.38 | ScytheBlade1 | But, that has nothing to do with PXE :) |
| 20:50.26 | root----- | is pxe possible in windows and linux both. and clients and linux as server? |
| 20:50.46 | ScytheBlade1 | Sure; if you have the RAM to store the entire OS in it |
| 20:51.09 | ScytheBlade1 | linux can boot off of an NFS share, preventing the need to store the OS on RAM, but, XP cannot |
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| 20:59.49 | root----- | hm |
| 21:00.17 | root----- | ScytheBlade1 so by pxe booting. linux or windows. you need the ram to pxe to store all os in it? |
| 21:00.49 | root----- | oh i got it. linux dont need ram. |
| 21:00.54 | root----- | but windows needs? |
| 21:00.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Right. Linux it isn't needed |
| 21:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | But XP, if you want to "PXE Boot" it |
| 21:01.11 | root----- | for linux. nfs is needed? |
| 21:01.14 | ScytheBlade1 | Will need to be stored in RAM |
| 21:01.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Yes |
| 21:01.19 | root----- | ScytheBlade1 no other way for xp? |
| 21:01.46 | root----- | ScytheBlade1 how much ram? |
| 21:02.30 | ScytheBlade1 | You could probably strip down XP to take up ~500MB on disk, add another 500MB for usage, and you'd need a gig of RAM to store the image + RAM to use for memory |
| 21:18.16 | root----- | ScytheBlade1 i heard IRS/WDS can do that |
| 21:18.17 | root----- | for xp |
| 21:18.24 | root----- | without ram requirment |
| 21:18.28 | ScytheBlade1 | IRS/WDS? |
| 21:18.40 | root----- | http://unixsadm.blogspot.com/2007/11/windows-pe-tools-livecd-deployment.html - scroll down to Mass deployment, PXE: |
| 21:19.02 | ScytheBlade1 | That's not the same |
| 21:19.07 | ScytheBlade1 | That's using PXE to install XP |
| 21:19.09 | ScytheBlade1 | Not boot XP |
| 21:19.39 | ScytheBlade1 | RIS and WDS are programs developed by MS to facilitate installing their OSs over the network |
| 21:19.47 | ScytheBlade1 | It has nothing to do with outright booting them over the network |
| 21:20.53 | root----- | then how can i pxe pre installed image boot? |
| 21:21.21 | ScytheBlade1 | http://syslinux.zytor.com/memdisk.php |
| 21:22.15 | root----- | talking about windows |
| 21:22.31 | ScytheBlade1 | http://syslinux.zytor.com/memdisk.php |
| 21:22.38 | ScytheBlade1 | You'll take XP, install it, configure it how you want to |
| 21:22.47 | ScytheBlade1 | Take an image of the hard drive, bytw for byte |
| 21:22.51 | ScytheBlade1 | And use memdisk to load it into RAM |
| 21:22.59 | ScytheBlade1 | And then in turn boot it |
| 21:25.47 | root----- | brb |
| 21:27.31 | root----- | but i cant afford that much ram |
| 21:28.22 | ScytheBlade1 | Then I'd look into other solutions |
| 21:33.10 | root----- | k |
| 21:33.13 | root----- | you don't need all that RAM, but oyu do need Gigabit and NFS / iSCSI / CIFS / some kind of shared disk. |
| 21:33.24 | root----- | is that right? |
| 21:34.48 | ScytheBlade1 | For? |
| 21:35.26 | root----- | to boot windows by a premade image of windows every time its booted? |
| 21:37.17 | ScytheBlade1 | You're looking at incredibly customized software |
| 21:37.21 | ScytheBlade1 | That I've never seen or heard of before |
| 21:38.01 | root----- | hm |
| 21:38.06 | root----- | but its possible in linux? |
| 21:38.26 | ScytheBlade1 | It's possible to PXE boot linux like that, yes |
| 21:39.25 | root----- | and where will be the boot image loaded in to? |
| 21:39.48 | ScytheBlade1 | It would remain on the server hard drive, shared over NFS |
| 21:40.05 | root----- | it will be writable? |
| 21:40.16 | ScytheBlade1 | If you want it to be. |
| 21:40.20 | root----- | thats whats i want. readonly image. |
| 21:40.28 | ScytheBlade1 | Can always export it as readonly |
| 21:40.33 | root----- | everytime. on reboot. same os. |
| 21:40.42 | ScytheBlade1 | Export it as readonly then |
| 21:40.56 | root----- | and the user can make changes when he uses the os? |
| 21:41.09 | root----- | those changes will be undo at reboot btw |
| 21:41.12 | ScytheBlade1 | If you set it up that way. |
| 21:41.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Any changes the user makes would be stored in RAM, and in turn, flushed on reboot |
| 21:44.08 | root----- | ya |
| 21:44.10 | root----- | how but? |
| 21:44.13 | root----- | what do i need? |
| 21:44.25 | ScytheBlade1 | Google "diskless linux" |
| 21:44.33 | root----- | talking about windows |
| 21:44.39 | ScytheBlade1 | Windows? You don't |
| 21:45.15 | ScytheBlade1 | You either (1) run it in RAM, (2) license WinXPe from MS under contract and roll your own version of XP, or (3) give up and look into other solutions stored on the hard drive |
| 21:49.01 | root----- | no other way? |
| 21:49.17 | ScytheBlade1 | Write your own custom software that does it? |
| 21:51.41 | root----- | i cant write |
| 21:51.53 | ScytheBlade1 | Guess not then |
| 21:52.15 | root----- | so theres no way to pxe premade image for windows. that loads same image every time |
| 21:52.29 | root----- | one choice is to load it in the ram? |
| 21:52.35 | ScytheBlade1 | You can if you have the RAM for it, but that's really it |
| 21:52.40 | root----- | k |
| 21:52.46 | root----- | but it can be done with linux? |
| 21:52.57 | ScytheBlade1 | Unless you want to deploy ghost, which will simply reformat the hard drive every time you reboot |
| 21:53.02 | ScytheBlade1 | Linux can be PXE booted yes |
| 21:53.41 | root----- | how can linux be and windows cant be. wht diffierence is there. no aapp for that? |
| 21:54.19 | ScytheBlade1 | Linux and windows are 100% different pieces of software |
| 21:54.29 | ScytheBlade1 | They behave and work very, very differently |
| 21:54.30 | root----- | ScytheBlade1 if i pxe linux. where will the image be loaded? |
| 21:54.43 | root----- | ScytheBlade1 ic |
| 21:54.56 | ScytheBlade1 | Whereever you want it to be |
| 21:55.03 | root----- | on some nfs shared hardisk? |
| 21:55.06 | root----- | oh ok |
| 21:55.08 | root----- | nice |
| 21:55.21 | ScytheBlade1 | NFS is the most common |
| 21:55.25 | root----- | then how about to deploy ghost, which will simply reformat the hard drive every time you reboot |
| 21:55.57 | root----- | ScytheBlade1 i think thats same thing that will happen when ill pxe linux. it wil paste the image temporarily some where too. right? |
| 21:56.04 | ScytheBlade1 | You buy licenses for Ghost, and set it up. I've never used it, however, so you're on your own with that |
| 21:56.29 | root----- | norton ghost will do that? |
| 21:56.48 | ScytheBlade1 | You can configure ghost to reformat a hard drive on reboot, yes |
| 21:56.56 | root----- | i have the norton ghost dos thing. to make restore images |
| 21:57.15 | ScytheBlade1 | Then you would just use it to deploy the images |
| 21:57.16 | root----- | ok |
| 21:57.22 | ScytheBlade1 | I've never used ghost, I really couldn't tell you. |
| 21:57.27 | root----- | i want it to happen auto matically on every boot |
| 21:57.29 | root----- | ok |
| 21:57.51 | ScytheBlade1 | "PXE booting windows" is not possible. Using PXE to load windows into RAM, or to install windows, is possible |
| 21:58.00 | root----- | i got it |
| 21:58.08 | root----- | http://pastebin.com/m2fbb2d05 |
| 21:58.11 | root----- | you read that |
| 21:58.44 | ScytheBlade1 | I did read that |
| 21:59.40 | root----- | ok |
| 22:00.11 | root----- | so your final sugesion to pxe linux and use an app like ghost to do pxe job for windows? |
| 22:00.39 | ScytheBlade1 | For what you want, yes, probably |
| 22:00.55 | root----- | why not use deepfreeze or steadystate for windows? |
| 22:01.05 | ScytheBlade1 | I suggested deepfreeze earlier |
| 22:01.12 | ScytheBlade1 | You seemed to ignore it :) |
| 22:01.18 | root----- | ah ya. |
| 22:01.22 | root----- | k |
| 22:01.30 | ScytheBlade1 | DeepFreeze would work fine |
| 22:01.40 | ScytheBlade1 | As long as the users do not have administrator rights, it'll be fine |
| 22:01.48 | root----- | and lastly.. what can i do about the loging and screen unlocking thing.? |
| 22:02.01 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea. |
| 22:03.38 | root----- | by ldap? |
| 22:03.41 | root----- | that would help? |
| 22:03.53 | root----- | making user accounts on the server? |
| 22:04.08 | ScytheBlade1 | Couldn't tell you. :) |
| 22:04.09 | ScytheBlade1 | No idea |
| 22:04.19 | root----- | k |
| 22:04.36 | root----- | well then . you know any thing that monitors users on the server? |
| 22:04.42 | root----- | logins. and logouts? |
| 22:04.49 | ScytheBlade1 | No clue |
| 22:05.21 | root----- | k |
| 22:05.58 | root----- | winboot will not do the job too. for windows? |
| 22:06.10 | ScytheBlade1 | Never heard of it |
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