| 00:00.15 | jwl_rh | um, fax to where? I thought you just had to click-through? Or is that for company-legal? |
| 00:00.58 | Lrrr | oh |
| 00:01.00 | Lrrr | lemme see |
| 00:01.13 | jwl_rh | hmm, besides the changes I made, there has been only one commit thus far -- and that was for someone who has signed the CLA. |
| 00:02.30 | jwl_rh | It has been quite a while since I saw the CLA stuff, and I don't have a test account to see what things look like to folks who haven't signed :/ |
| 00:03.08 | Lrrr | ah |
| 00:03.13 | Lrrr | it's a click through indeed |
| 00:03.23 | Lrrr | but the text itself is misleading |
| 00:03.40 | jwl_rh | wonders where to file a bug... |
| 00:04.10 | jwl_rh | if you can mail along whatever confused you, I can forward it to folks who can either fix it up, or (I hope!) hand it to folks who can. |
| 00:04.24 | jwl_rh | Or just mention the problem in #fedora-admin and see who's around to fix things. |
| 00:04.32 | Lrrr | I'm trying to find it. |
| 00:05.22 | jwl_rh | If the CLA is okay by you and you sign it, I'm *very* curious as to whether that makes the checkout work. |
| 00:06.38 | Lrrr | I just retried and it still fails. I guess I still need to wait 1h. |
| 00:06.59 | Lrrr | And I've re-read the text: |
| 00:07.03 | Lrrr | "If necessary, you may send it by facsimile to the Project at +1-919-754-3704 or e-mail a signed pdf copy of the document to fedora-legal@redhat.com. Please read this document carefully before signing and keep a copy for your record" |
| 00:07.09 | Lrrr | That is what confused me. |
| 00:07.12 | Lrrr | https://fedorahosted.org/fas/browser/fas/templates/cla/cla.html?rev=69f73cd1c7464535db962e12328857d843cd0f34 |
| 00:09.12 | jwl_rh | oh! the thing only mentions antiquated methods of agreement. No wonder it's confusing. |
| 00:13.55 | jwl_rh | okay, I've sent email off with both issues -- the confusing text and trouble doing the checkout. |
| 00:15.01 | jwl_rh | mmcgrath and ricky are also both on #fedora-admin; it's possible that others there could also help out. |
| 00:15.33 | jwl_rh | One other problem that sometimes happens -- if you get too many 'permission denied's, the system puts you on a blacklist that must be cleared by a fedora sysadmin. |
| 00:15.38 | jwl_rh | Hopefully that's not happening. |
| 00:21.30 | jwl_rh | As far as the templates/build system goes, nothing drastic has changed since 2008; the 2009 tree is a tad newer, and now has directories & skeletal papers for all known 2009 authors instead of the 2008 ones. |
| 00:21.48 | jwl_rh | So something that builds in the 2008 tree ought to build in the 2009 one as well. |
| 00:21.58 | jwl_rh | (The Example paper certainly does. :) |
| 00:22.44 | jwl_rh | Other than wait-and-retry, I'm not sure of anything more I can help with right now. |
| 00:25.41 | Lrrr | darn... I'm blacklisted now I think. |
| 00:26.12 | Lrrr | time to hit #fedora-admin |
| 00:26.26 | Lrrr | thanks for you help |
| 00:27.44 | jwl_rh | I'll hang around at various points this weekend in case there's anything more I can do, or any other questions I can handle... |
| 00:28.17 | jwl_rh | right now, time to go cook/eat dinner, back in a while :) |
| 00:34.12 | Lrrr | have a nice meal |
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| 01:23.20 | Lrrr | Read worked. Woot. |
| 01:24.48 | jwl_rh | cool, glad to hear it |
| 01:25.19 | Lrrr | hopefully write will work by the time we've done rechecking the article. |
| 01:25.31 | Lrrr | or, at the time |
| 01:25.36 | jwl_rh | should be a skeletal paper, with abstract (if it was on the web), ready to 'make DIRS=gonthier' |
| 01:25.55 | jwl_rh | svn ci has worked for at least one author so far |
| 01:26.38 | jwl_rh | fwiw, the svn pool started at rev 1577 for 2009. Already up to 1602 :) |
| 01:27.12 | Lrrr | oh yeah the abstract |
| 01:28.07 | jwl_rh | (it doesn't need to be in a separate file, and in fact it usually gets folded in during editing. It's just done that way to show how to include files in TeX, and because grabbing the file from the web makes that approach easier.) |
| 01:30.07 | jwl_rh | The only commit I've seen thus far was just one author filling in his affiliation/email & co-author -- likely a test to ensure that commits actually worked. :) |
| 01:30.52 | Lrrr | What you do mean by "if it was on the web", above? |
| 01:31.21 | jwl_rh | you can fetch the presenter names, paper titles, and abstracts off of the linuxsymposium.org site |
| 01:31.32 | jwl_rh | that's how the pool gets populated, in fact :) |
| 01:31.52 | jwl_rh | speakers.php?type=TALK, iirc. |
| 01:31.58 | Lrrr | ok |
| 01:32.33 | jwl_rh | there are a bunch of utility scripts that do all the fetching/parsing/building, and some files that keep track of what has been submitted, and so on. |
| 01:33.02 | jwl_rh | Back in 2002, it was all done by emailing tarballs around. Yecch! :) |
| 01:33.37 | jwl_rh | Then again, there were fewer papers back then, making it somewhat possible. |
| 01:34.44 | Lrrr | Still, submitting by SVN feels oddly rustic. |
| 01:35.12 | jwl_rh | the admins offered git -- but few (if any) of the editors know git yet |
| 01:35.59 | jwl_rh | beats CVS, at least :) |
| 01:36.37 | jwl_rh | and last year, there was one person who still sent a tarball (sigh). At least it was only one. |
| 01:36.40 | Lrrr | I wonder how it'd work with Git. |
| 01:37.49 | jwl_rh | no clue; one reason for avoiding it, since Robyn's really running things this year, and has enough brain-dump without any "I don't knows" associated with switching to git :-) |
| 01:38.26 | jwl_rh | hmm, and she was supposed to show up on irc sometime today; haven't seen her yet. :/ |
| 01:38.35 | Lrrr | I don't mind Git at all but it doesn't seem suited for this particular task. That need a fundamentally centralized model. |
| 01:39.04 | Lrrr | So, anyway. Thanks. The paper builds. I need to check it and make an abstract. Should be done this week. |
| 01:39.20 | jwl_rh | wow, that'd be a record for getting it done quickly :-) |
| 01:39.47 | Lrrr | The paper has been ready for a while. |
| 01:40.01 | Lrrr | A record already, aren't the paper due April 15th? |
| 01:40.09 | jwl_rh | Cool. Some folks take right up 'til the deadline. |
| 01:40.23 | jwl_rh | They are always extended, because the acceptance notes always go out late. :/ |
| 01:40.32 | Lrrr | There is no reason for us to go beyond that deadline. |
| 01:40.46 | Lrrr | It's done. I could have submitted it weeks ago. |
| 01:41.07 | Lrrr | so, thank you, good night! really gotta go |
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| 01:41.12 | jwl_rh | g'night |
| 01:41.41 | jwl_rh | types at the ether. The ether doesn't mind, but doesn't say much. All in a night's surf, I guess :) |
| 01:42.39 | jwl_rh | gah, >9:30p, I need to get going, too. |
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