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| 19:53.16 | burlak | Hi guys, Out of curiosity, do you know any mormons who don't belive in god, just like what church does, like comunity, lifestyle, etc.. ? or it's super uncomon? |
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| 20:31.08 | jsmith | burlak: I'm sure there are some like that, but I think it's fairly uncommon |
| 20:33.11 | burlak | jsmith: thx for answer :), I kinda wish I would know someone like that. Do you think those people are mostly crypto atheist or it's also possible be open about that in community? |
| 20:34.17 | jsmith | I would hope that it's possible to be open, but I know some people are hesitant to express anything they view as "outside of the norm". |
| 20:34.19 | burlak | jsmith: sorry for my grammar, I'm super tired after work and my spellcheck part of brain is kinda already offline :) |
| 20:34.29 | jsmith | No worries -- it's been a long day for me too.. |
| 20:43.06 | burlak | do you guys dring alcohol-free beer? |
| 20:43.08 | burlak | jsmith: ^^ |
| 20:43.23 | burlak | s/dring/drink/ #sorry for that |
| 20:44.00 | jsmith | I don't... as some "alcohol-free" beer still has some alcohol (but is below 1/2 percent or whatever) |
| 20:44.52 | burlak | jsmith: in past that was true, and old brands/types are still same, but past like 5 years emerged lot of totally alcohol free beers. |
| 20:45.03 | jsmith | Shows how much I know about beer :-) |
| 20:45.33 | jsmith | All I know about beer is a few things I've picked up from friends/coworkers/etc. |
| 20:46.28 | burlak | jsmith: nah, actually fact that some alcohol-free beers still sometime have up to 1 proof alcohol is not that common knowelage :) |
| 20:47.53 | burlak | jsmith: and for example, I know a scary amount facts about various drugs even I never used them, so I guess knowelage about beer even if you don't drink is not that terrible :) |
| 20:51.04 | jsmith | I don't think it's terrible... but I don't pretend to know much... I honestly couldn't tell you the difference between an IPA and a stout. |
| 20:57.18 | burlak | jsmith: yep, that can be hard if you can't drink it and I'm not sure if you can get alcohol-free IPA. |
| 21:05.31 | burlak | oh, one more weird question, I know that LDS undergarments are for sale just for mormons, however there is e-shop who is making same thing and selling it to general public (it's called mormonsecrets [like victoria secrets]), is it ok to buy it, or it can be precived as disrespectfull? |
| 21:08.23 | romanovic | I've observed increasingly various practices regarding beer over the years, especially after travelling in other countries. U.S. based members have a different all-or-nothing view of alcohol, including all beers, at least following Prohibition |
| 21:09.02 | burlak | romanovic: can you elaborate? |
| 21:10.28 | romanovic | just that in some countries, there are home-brewed beverages, including barley-based, that are not considered alcoholic or against the word of wisdom even though they are low-alcohol in reality |
| 21:10.50 | romanovic | and might be classified as a beer in the US |
| 21:11.42 | burlak | romanovic: interresting, so what you're saying some tempples are more loose about no-alcohol policy than another? |
| 21:12.39 | romanovic | but the way culture has changed in the US (prohibition, world wars and association of beer with Germans, etc) has lead to different perceptions of "alcoholic" including by Church members |
| 21:12.42 | romanovic | no, not that I know of |
| 21:14.50 | romanovic | but maybe a different interpretation of where the threshold between alcoholic and non-alcoholic lies. And absence of absolutism ("even 0.0000001% is alcoholic, better to avoid entirely. even the appearance of it") |
| 21:15.54 | burlak | romanovic: I do think that even in a tap water is more alchol than 0.0000001% :) |
| 21:17.21 | romanovic | Not that I think people are wrong for being absolute about it - you are removing a potential risk and gaining the benefit of living the Word of Wisdom as you understand it |
| 21:19.42 | romanovic | but I also have no problem with people who drink O'Douls or Kvas or other drinks that nobody outside the US would classify as a strong drinks. This is entirely my opinion and viewpoint, and not the Church's |
| 21:23.39 | burlak | romanovic: what's are views of nootrpics, and drugs that are not supposed to make you feel good rather they are supposed to improve you cognitive abilities etc.. ? |
| 21:23.47 | romanovic | burlak: also, regarding your garments question, I would consider it disrespectful, at least on the part of the shop. With a name like mormonsecrets, I think their sole purpose for existence is to make a mockery of things the church considers sacred (not just secret for the purpose of being secret) |
| 21:28.16 | burlak | romanovic: I don't think that name was choosen to mock mormons, just to mimic Victoria Secrets name. but nevermind, I googled them few minutes ago, and it looks like they went out of business :) |
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