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| 17:25.45 | romanovic | aeryndunham: did you go yesterday? |
| 17:25.55 | aeryndunham | I went to church, I didn't speak |
| 17:26.10 | romanovic | I was up from 1am-5am the night before with a sick kid, so I missed the first hour... |
| 17:26.14 | aeryndunham | aww |
| 17:28.41 | aeryndunham | It's nice that for me now church starts at noon; no "but I wanna sleep" excuses possible anymore. 9am was rough. |
| 17:29.30 | jsmith | loves 9am |
| 17:29.45 | jsmith | That being said, I'm certifiably crazy, so there's that... |
| 17:29.56 | jsmith | I'm just happy my Gospel Doctrine lesson went well... |
| 17:30.30 | jsmith | Now I can spend the next two weeks stressing about the next lesson |
| 17:30.56 | aeryndunham | The only bad thing about noon church is that by the time the chit chat is done and I get home it's nearly 4pm |
| 17:31.34 | jsmith | By 4pm, I'd been to church, plus an hour of chit-chat afterward, come home, taken a nap, baked cookies, and gone to ward choir practice :-) |
| 17:31.40 | aeryndunham | heh |
| 17:31.45 | aeryndunham | Yeah, that would be nice |
| 17:32.04 | aeryndunham | There was drama at our Gospel Doctrine yesterday |
| 17:32.15 | jsmith | Oh? |
| 17:32.24 | jsmith | Tell me about it, so that I know what to avoid as a teacher :-) |
| 17:32.35 | aeryndunham | Heh, nothing to do with the teacher |
| 17:33.31 | aeryndunham | So there's this older man in the ward, very loud and abrasive in his opinions, and I don't much care for him, but I was trying to be charitable until he started very insistently trying to get me to go to a movie with him, which made me really uncomfortable so I just... mostly ignore him now. I assumed this was just me. |
| 17:33.56 | aeryndunham | He was talking in Gospel Doctine yesterday, and two ladies in the row behind me murmured "I can't stand to be in the room with him" and got up and left, which I thought was odd |
| 17:34.45 | aeryndunham | So the people I was sitting with (friends of mine) tell me that he's an excommunicated criminal on the sex offender registry who recently got out of jail, and technically shouldn't be allowed to parcicipate, but every time they've brought it up they just get in trouble for lacking forgiveness |
| 17:37.17 | romanovic | that _is_ odd. |
| 17:37.51 | aeryndunham | My friend spent most of the class looking up citations saying that according to chuch discipline, he's not allowed to speak in class |
| 17:38.18 | aeryndunham | I guess I'm just glad that it wasn't just me who is uncomfortable talking to him, but... the whole situation is just weird |
| 17:39.12 | jsmith | Yeah, that does sound awkward |
| 17:39.19 | aeryndunham | She said his conviction was something to do with kids, tooi |
| 17:40.14 | aeryndunham | And he sits front and center and answers every question (usually with an awkward joke) and jumps on every request to read, but he's also constantly throwing in off-color comments that the teacher (who I really like) has to awkwardly try to get him to drop |
| 17:47.48 | aeryndunham | Church otherwise was nice! I'm still not sure how I feel about the completely unstructured round-table 1st week relief society format (is EQ the same now?) |
| 17:49.02 | romanovic | We did do something like that this month in EQ. I didn't realise everyone was doing it |
| 17:49.23 | aeryndunham | Yeah, sounds that way |
| 17:49.45 | romanovic | It worked out well though, because they were complaining about having a hard time keeping everyone connected, so I suggested we start a ward/EQ Slack server, and they took me up on my offer |
| 17:50.24 | aeryndunham | Oh very cool |
| 17:51.09 | aeryndunham | Because everyone my age has callings in Primary or Young Womens, if I suggested a Slack server at Relief Society they would look at me like a crazy person. I am the youngest person in there by probably 20 years. |
| 17:52.36 | aeryndunham | Me bringing up the hymn on the LDS Music app is like magic to them :p |
| 17:55.15 | romanovic | haha |
| 17:57.48 | romanovic | I've actually been really impressed by the LDS apps. The LDS tools is really useful too. Has a ward directory (with photos for people who want to provide them), and lists of everyone in every calling, who the missionaries are in your area and their contact info, and a calendar with all the ward and stake events |
| 17:58.24 | aeryndunham | Yeah, I don't have LDS tools obviously but I am impressed by the library and the music apps |
| 17:58.25 | romanovic | although, you need to have an LDS member account, and have your records associated with the ward you want to view in Tools |
| 17:59.06 | romanovic | yeah, the library made some changes recently that I like as well. You can open up references from any lesson in a slideout bar without navigating away from the lesson, or wherever you were |
| 17:59.23 | aeryndunham | Yeah, that is nice |
| 17:59.52 | aeryndunham | The whole app would be the perject study app if only it offered a biblegateway.com-style way of looking at different OT and NT translations |
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| 18:57.33 | romanovic | ah yeah, I've never seen things like the NIV in use anywhere in the church. And I can understand why, many passages have been changed or lost in translation over the centuries, and any newer translation is just another layer of abstraction that makes assumptions about the intent of the original passages |
| 18:58.58 | romanovic | But on the other hand, I think it would be really cool to have Hebrew, Greek, etc versions of scripture that you could reference alongside the KJV that we use at church |
| 19:02.26 | aeryndunham | I do find it interesting though, that the LDS church says that the Bible is the word of God "so long as it is translated correctly" but any Biblical scholar will tell you that the KJV is 100% not the most accurate translation we have |
| 19:03.33 | aeryndunham | I would have assumed the LDS church would be one of the proponents of continual Biblical research, given their stance that there are errors in translation |
| 19:04.18 | romanovic | yeah. It's probably that Church of England heritage that the majority of early church members would have come from... |
| 19:06.59 | aeryndunham | And there are instances where people hold up some difficult passsage in the KJV and then the BoM passage that makes sense of it, and there absolutely are things that are genuinely illuminated by the KJV, but a lot of the time... the NIV or NRSV or literally anything else also makes it much easier to understand. |
| 19:07.20 | aeryndunham | I mean things that are genuintely illuminated by the BoM, sorry |
| 19:08.17 | aeryndunham | And I don't mean to be overly critical |
| 19:08.56 | aeryndunham | I just think that continuing translation work is a super exciting part of Christianity and I wish the LDS church were behind it because their theology seems to lend itself so much to it |
| 19:15.27 | jfindlay | aeryndunham: totally. The kjv is very poetic and Shakespearian, but its 17th century circumstance make even basic study unnecessarily complex |
| 19:15.44 | aeryndunham | Yes, it absolutely is beautiful |
| 19:15.56 | jfindlay | my guess is that the church keeps it because it's the bible Joseph Smith had growing up |
| 19:16.05 | aeryndunham | That's what I assume |
| 19:16.26 | aeryndunham | More that it's traditional rather than that anyone actually thinks it's the best English translation we have |
| 19:17.16 | jfindlay | and which the JST is based on |
| 19:17.54 | jfindlay | although I remember he also had a contemporary translation, but can't find any references to that |
| 19:18.03 | jfindlay | it's also the bible of the 1st/2nd great awakenings |
| 19:18.27 | jfindlay | modern scholarly editions are going to be way better for accuracy and clarity |
| 19:25.26 | aeryndunham | I like the NRSV personally |
| 19:25.37 | aeryndunham | Been thinking about buying a NRSV-Catholic Edition because MOAR BOOKS |
| 19:27.37 | jfindlay | the church uses the Catholic bible at least in German |
| 19:30.56 | jfindlay | studying the bible is a gateway to getting lost in ancient texts in general |
| 19:31.33 | jfindlay | possibly because it's incomplete, not really a 'single work' and there is no authoritative edition |
| 19:32.14 | jfindlay | and then there's the multitude of languages and cultures involved and their evolutions through history |
| 19:34.40 | aeryndunham | Yeah |
| 20:19.00 | romanovic | Same situation in Eastern Europe. In Ukraine LDS members carried an eastern orthodox translation of the bible |
| 20:19.50 | romanovic | That may have just been what the locals preferred there. I ran into missionaries while there, I wonder what they carry |
| 20:20.27 | romanovic | didn't occur to me to ask |
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