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| 02:54.56 | Retro64XYZ | Are there any other pro-Mormon IRC chat rooms that have things like bible study or BOM study available? |
| 03:12.43 | Crisco | dunno |
| 03:12.59 | Crisco | I mean, I'm sure there are somewhere, but it probably isn't IRC |
| 03:13.33 | Crisco | You could see if there's some LDS Discord channel that has something like that |
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| 05:02.00 | pgpattison | hi all |
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| 06:23.32 | klys | ^,,^ |
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| 20:24.06 | aeryndunham | met with missionaries again today |
| 20:26.14 | resplin | aeryndunham: How did you decide to formally meet with the missionaries? |
| 20:26.44 | resplin | We have a sister attending our Gospel Principles class that I should probably invite to meet with the missionaries. |
| 20:27.07 | aeryndunham | The ward has sister missionaries now and they are so nice so when they asked if they could come give me a lesson I couldn't say no? |
| 20:27.10 | aeryndunham | I really like them |
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| 20:27.35 | resplin | Our Elders are pretty nice, but probably not that nice. grin |
| 20:27.46 | aeryndunham | I also wish we had a Gospel Principles class, Gospel Doctine fell real fast into "science is a lie from Satan" yesterday |
| 20:27.55 | resplin | sigh |
| 20:28.23 | aeryndunham | The guy sitting next to me could tell I was dying and kept nudging me with like "you know you're allowed to talk and disagree, right?" |
| 20:28.29 | resplin | Sometimes those are the most fun lessons because it can drive a real discussion instead of everyone always agreeing. But then contention is of the devil and whatnot. |
| 20:28.47 | aeryndunham | And someone in Relief Society said that depression was just selfishness and not a real disease and I almost died |
| 20:29.49 | resplin | Isn't that why we go to church, so other people can make us really uncomfortable with how they twist the gospel to meet their preconceptions? Teaches so many great qualities! |
| 20:30.04 | aeryndunham | But I am choosing to view this as an opporunity to remind myself that no one is perfect and everyone is there to learn and that I need to have patiencve |
| 20:30.37 | resplin | Yeah, that's the right attitude. |
| 20:31.16 | aeryndunham | But these poor girls asked me to give them my most difficult question and a fun time was had by all |
| 20:31.22 | aeryndunham | (they are great and tried very hard) |
| 20:32.04 | resplin | Ooo, that sounds like a fun game. Which question was it? |
| 20:32.37 | aeryndunham | and I wasn't trying to "trick" them, they just asked and I was honestly curious what they'd say |
| 20:32.50 | aeryndunham | Not even so much a question |
| 20:33.36 | aeryndunham | basically: I have two gay brothers who I love and want every right in the world for, how do I join a church that tells me that is wrong. (it's probably my #1 issue) |
| 20:34.03 | resplin | Yeah, that is a difficult one to explain. |
| 20:34.32 | resplin | How did they do? |
| 20:35.05 | aeryndunham | And as much as i love my wine and my coffee and I don't plan on moving out until I get married - that's the number one reason I probably won't actually get baptised. :/ |
| 20:36.07 | aeryndunham | Uhh they said that it was something that they had also prayed a lot about, and that they wished they had an answer, because they know that God loves my brothers but they also know that he has given out commandments, and that they don't know why people would be given commandments that would directly impact their ability to be happy |
| 20:36.37 | aeryndunham | I mostly just appreciated them saying that they didn't really have an answer they expected to suffice |
| 20:36.37 | resplin | I had a few key concerns when I was trying to decide about being a Mormon. I found that with meditation I began to see things in a different light and my heart was at peace. |
| 20:38.02 | resplin | But that specific question I think is really wrapped up in the current social and political climate. Our current society is so fixated on individualism that it warps our ability to see the other concerns at play. |
| 20:40.28 | resplin | We look at commandments as getting in the way of our happiness, and forget that a loving God gives us commandments because they will help ensure our happiness over the long term. |
| 20:40.33 | aeryndunham | And I get that |
| 20:40.55 | aeryndunham | it's just... it's a tough one for me |
| 20:41.17 | resplin | I don't want you to think I'm minimizing that. As I said, I had my own hangups for many years. |
| 20:42.10 | resplin | A philisophical debate won't address it. It takes God opening our hearts and changing our perspectives. |
| 20:42.49 | resplin | "won't address it" might be too strong. But it isn't the ultimate solution. |
| 20:43.28 | resplin | needs to stop using IRC as a way to procrastinate work |
| 20:43.33 | resplin | But discussing these things with you are way more fun than answering email! |
| 20:43.44 | resplin | I'm getting called into a meeting though. |
| 20:44.13 | resplin | I look forward to hearing how your seeking progresses. We can have a more detailed conversation on this specific issue if you would enjoy that. |
| 20:44.53 | resplin | I can't claim to know God's will, but there are certain preconceptions that people often bring to the table that I think cloud the real issue. |
| 20:45.26 | aeryndunham | Anytime! I like talking about stuff |
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