| 01:28.10 | aeryndunham | Good evening |
| 01:29.16 | aeryndunham | I wanted to go to the Boston temple today but I always forget it's not really in Boston :( |
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| 02:52.37 | resplin | Yeah, the temples are frequently on the outskirts of cities. |
| 02:52.45 | resplin | aeryndunham: The Boston Temple is really nice though. |
| 02:52.58 | aeryndunham | It looks really nice! |
| 02:53.14 | aeryndunham | But I had no way to get there, really. I guess I could have taken Uber or something. |
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| 16:51.22 | romanovic | Hi Randall_Flag! |
| 16:51.32 | Randall_Flag | hello romanovic |
| 16:52.08 | Randall_Flag | whats up |
| 16:52.14 | romanovic | we saw your earlier messages, but often people won't see messages here unless you stick around for an hour or more |
| 16:52.21 | Randall_Flag | cool |
| 16:52.30 | Randall_Flag | just trying to understand mormonism |
| 16:52.33 | romanovic | at least that is the case for me, because I check just occasionally in between meetings at work and such |
| 16:53.06 | Randall_Flag | I still have a lot of questions |
| 16:53.23 | romanovic | awesome! this is a good place to ask them |
| 16:53.57 | Randall_Flag | a lot of what you believe honestly doesn;t make sense to me |
| 16:54.41 | Randall_Flag | CAN WE TALK |
| 16:54.44 | Randall_Flag | about it |
| 16:55.32 | Randall_Flag | hello? |
| 16:55.40 | romanovic | sure. |
| 16:55.45 | Randall_Flag | great |
| 16:56.17 | Randall_Flag | how come Joseph Smith's account of him meeting god changed over 4 times |
| 16:56.47 | romanovic | I, like everyone else in here, can only answer based on my personal experience and level of understanding but I will answer as best I can |
| 16:57.00 | romanovic | ah |
| 16:57.22 | romanovic | I read through those accounts once |
| 16:58.25 | Randall_Flag | be they wre changed 4 times |
| 16:58.42 | romanovic | I may not know the whole story, but it seemed to me he gave accounts differently because he was talking to different people, i.e. emphasised different parts of the account depending on who he was speaking to |
| 16:58.44 | Randall_Flag | once a a burning tree once as jesus |
| 16:58.50 | Randall_Flag | once as jesus and god |
| 16:58.54 | Randall_Flag | once as just god |
| 16:59.50 | Randall_Flag | and how there is 0 evidence of isrealites being in north america |
| 17:00.16 | romanovic | looks like the LDS church themselves have a comparison and links to all of the individual accounts. https://www.lds.org/topics/first-vision-accounts?lang=eng |
| 17:00.45 | romanovic | I don't have any more special insight than what they talk about there, as far as first vision accounts |
| 17:01.50 | Randall_Flag | what about people becoming gods |
| 17:01.55 | Randall_Flag | on their own planet |
| 17:02.05 | Randall_Flag | what if I wanted to visiti you on your planet |
| 17:02.07 | Randall_Flag | could i? |
| 17:04.04 | romanovic | I'm not sure where the "you get your own planet" idea started, but yes, Mormons believe that we are literally children of our Heavenly Father |
| 17:05.17 | romanovic | in that we will continue to progress after death and "grow up" to become more like him. |
| 17:05.54 | romanovic | I personally don't know exactly what that will be like. The bible says "The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together." |
| 17:06.05 | romanovic | (Romans 8:16-17) |
| 17:07.06 | romanovic | I know there are different interpretations of that. But we believe in modern-day revelation as well, and that it is our Savior's desire that we become perfected through Him and become more like Him and the Father |
| 17:09.33 | Randall_Flag | i see |
| 17:10.20 | Randall_Flag | i still dont understand your view of the trinity |
| 17:14.21 | romanovic | I read somewhere once that even Joseph Smith was surprised to see a vision of the Father and the Son, as separate individuals |
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| 17:15.51 | romanovic | I don't have a reference handy. But, the single Trinity doctrine is almost ubiquitous in the Christian world |
| 17:21.16 | romanovic | we believe both God the Father and Jesus Christ the Son live as physical beings, but have a singular will and purpose. Even Mormons and scripture refer to one God in this sense |
| 17:26.17 | Randall_Flag | so did the father create the son |
| 17:30.04 | romanovic | Randall_Flag: we believe he was the firstborn, and was there from the beginning ("In the beginning was the Word") |
| 17:30.42 | Randall_Flag | but how can a creation be equal to the creator |
| 17:31.46 | romanovic | We believe that Jesus Christ, with God, was the Creator |
| 17:36.08 | romanovic | are you familiar with the concept of premortal existence? We believe God the Father is literally the father of the spirits of all the people on Earth, before we were born |
| 17:36.45 | Randall_Flag | who created the ather |
| 17:36.47 | Randall_Flag | father |
| 17:38.45 | romanovic | and that Jesus Christ accurately refers to God as "my father" in the bible as his literal Father, including in a spiritual sense |
| 17:41.16 | beeg98 | I like to think of the principle similarly to Earthly families. |
| 17:41.47 | beeg98 | When my kids grow up, they will be my equals in many many ways, and yet I will always be their Father. |
| 17:42.27 | beeg98 | and I will share all that I can with my kids. |
| 17:42.40 | beeg98 | I am not threatened at all by their becoming my equals. |
| 17:42.54 | beeg98 | in fact, it would make me proud, since I love them, and want to see them progress. |
| 17:43.49 | beeg98 | similarly, God loves us, and WANTS to share all that he has with us, if we are worthy. |
| 17:47.44 | romanovic | that is a great comparison |
| 17:47.49 | romanovic | and as for the question of who created the |
| 17:47.51 | romanovic | Father |
| 17:49.03 | romanovic | ... can wait |
| 17:50.05 | romanovic | I know there's a quote out there, but I don't think it's official church doctrine. |
| 17:50.51 | beeg98 | if you are thinking of the quote I'm thinking of, it is not, and it doesn't really answer the question either. |
| 17:51.25 | beeg98 | we can probably suffice it to say that we don't know, it hasn't been revealed to us. |
| 17:51.43 | romanovic | agreed |
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| 20:19.57 | Randall_Flag | hey Romanovic |
| 20:20.00 | Randall_Flag | i'm back |
| 20:24.10 | beeg98 | welcome back. :-) |