IRC log for ##kierra on 20090806

00:00.11CBGNobody home?
00:00.22CBGI suppose it's my fault for making cooking plans at 1 o'clock in the morn'.
00:01.05CBGValumzie: I just know you're a fabulous cook. I bet TheRedBaron can't wait to get home and see what lovely delights you have in store for him each evening!
00:01.58CBGAnd ndim, you're the fountain of all knowledge. You must have befriended loads of hens.
00:02.40CBGIs this thing on?! xD
00:03.46CBGSorry. Bored and lonely. The dog was lying on my bed waiting for me just now, but like most women (I imagine), got tired of waiting for me to get off the computamathing and wandered off to sleep with my brother instead.
00:04.51CBGHmm. I do hope I didn't just make a grandiose statement about the futility of relationships and life in general. Worse still, I really do hope I didn't just foresee my future.
00:05.01CBGBoy. Somebody's gonna be confused in the morning.
00:05.13CBGSaid the vicar to the rooster.
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00:24.32TheRedBaronCBG: do eggs go off how?
00:24.46TheRedBaroni've yet to see my eggs grow legs and run
00:24.53TheRedBaronor go shooting off like rockets
00:25.08CBGThere have been a pack of eggs in the fridge for at least 2 weeks by now... Still good to eat? :)
00:25.14TheRedBaronoh yea
00:25.37CBGGood. :) Thanks TheRedBaron.
00:25.42TheRedBaronand if not - its pretty easy to tell (via the nostrils) when the eggs are not good to eat :)
00:25.47TheRedBaronand Valumzie is an excellent cook!
00:25.50TheRedBaronshe's making me fat :(
00:26.01CBGHeh.
00:26.14CBGThat's unpossible!
00:26.56TheRedBaronand brownies are impossible to mess up - if you have the "just add water + oil + eggs" variant from the store :D
00:27.05CBGHehe, I don't. :P
00:27.12TheRedBaronoh
00:27.24TheRedBaronCBG: Come to america - where we indulge the lazy ;)
00:27.42CBGI indulge the lazy pretty good here, thanks. :)
00:27.51TheRedBaronwe'll get you yet !
00:27.53TheRedBaron:D
00:27.59CBG:D
00:28.25TheRedBaronnow - If you'll pardon me - going to play a little tf2 :)
00:28.33CBGHave fun.
00:35.40CBGreboots.
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01:59.51orangeTheRedBaron: yes, I did purchase it... two of them in fact
02:00.06orangeso I could use two monitors
02:00.07mvironzaps orange in some oj
02:01.47Valumzie~orange++
02:11.18orangehah, what did I ever do to deserve that? :-)
02:12.22Valumzie:)
02:13.46mvironsets orange up to swim in a vat of oj
02:50.28mvironpongs orange
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08:05.37ndimCBG: A recipe I absolutely love is: Mix 1 egg, a bit of flour, a pinch of salt, half an egg of milk in a 200..300ml mug such that the mug is about half full.
08:05.43ndimPut in microwave for 2 minutes.
08:05.45ndimEnjoy.
08:06.21ndimInvented it myself a few weeks ago :)
08:06.39ndimIs good with ham and/or chives.
08:07.00ndimIf you like the sweet variant, leave out the ham/chives and add some sugar and curd cheese instead.
08:07.09ndim(and reduce the flour a little)
08:27.00ndimHmm... fascinating.
08:27.28ndimWe have technology today which James Bond would have labeled science fiction 20 years ago.
08:27.47ndim16GB MicroSDHC card.
08:27.54ndimSo small.
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10:10.36ndim~coffee kierra
10:10.37purlACTION steals some of TheRedBaron's special coffee and gives it to kierra on a silver platter.
10:10.40ndim~shower ndim
10:10.41purl*sniff* *sniff* hmmm, ndim, you smell awful... you need a shower ASAP!
10:10.48kierralol!
10:11.49Manubuenos días kierra
10:12.23Manuoh.. was ndim :)
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10:24.50kierrabuenos dias, Manu, ndim :)
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11:00.11Valumziekierra: ping :)
11:03.27Manuhugs Valumzie
11:06.08Valumziemorning Manu :)
11:10.23Valumzieok, time to wake up the hubby
11:10.28Valumziekierra: I'll aim you from work :)
11:10.37ValumzieManu: have a great rest of the day!
11:10.55Valumziendim: dont shower! Showers are over-rated (according to my husband :) )
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13:57.51kierra~tea Manu
13:57.52purlACTION realizes it's time for high tea and gets busy in the kitchen.  He brings out tea, crumpets, scones and an assortment of delectable goodies and serves them properly to Manu and others
13:57.57kierra~tea ndim
13:57.58purlACTION realizes it's time for high tea and gets busy in the kitchen.  He brings out tea, crumpets, scones and an assortment of delectable goodies and serves them properly to ndim and others
14:15.33Manugracias kierra :)
14:15.39Manu~coffee kierra
14:15.40purlACTION steals some of TheRedBaron's special coffee and gives it to kierra on a silver platter.
14:42.40kierraep ping
14:42.55epkierra pong
14:43.39kierrapm
15:14.21ndimkierra: thx
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21:55.40TheRedBaronwhats with always stealing my coffee? :(
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22:23.50Valumzie~terminate pidgin
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22:46.09TheRedBarongn00bie: Valumzie is going to put me up for adoption!
22:46.20Valumzienot true@
22:46.22Valumzie!
22:46.28Valumziehe is the one who wants to donate me to Goodwill
22:46.55TheRedBaronits a charity!
22:46.58TheRedBaronits a noble cause!
22:47.11TheRedBaronits better then being put up for adoption!
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22:57.33CBGIt seems a lot of you folks who have answered the "Are you in favor of a Government run healthcare system" poll on facebook have said No. Why? :P
23:04.22TheRedBaronThe track record for government run systems has a very low success rate
23:06.39ndimI can tell that our system does have its issues, but it does appear to work much better than, say, the US system of 50 million uninsured people.
23:07.34ndimWe have a system of mandatory insurance, and if you are above a certain income level, you can choose to not use the mandatory half-government insurance but choose a private insurance company instead.
23:08.07ndimThat gives quite close to 100% coverage for reasonable costs.
23:09.02ndimhospitals, doctors, etc. are private entities in that system.
23:09.02TheRedBaronndim: how does the filing system work?
23:09.12TheRedBaronwho pays who?
23:09.27TheRedBarondoes the government pay the doctor - or the patient ?
23:09.38ndimThe insurance pays the doctor.
23:09.54TheRedBaronthe government insurance ?
23:09.58ndim(if you use the mandatory govt insurance)
23:10.13TheRedBaronso the Dr has to see the patient ?
23:11.14ndimIf the doctor accepts the govt insurance (which most do, as that gives you the broad mass of income).
23:11.50ndimOnly few doctors are "private" and only accept people who either pay themselves or get reimboursed by their private insurance.
23:12.18TheRedBaronsee - currently Dr's are considered "private" but can file with citizen run healthcare companies
23:12.41ndimThe mandatory insurance is financed via a certain percentage of the income paid by the employee, and another part paid by the employer.
23:13.15ndimThe main thing is that you're not allowed to employ anyone without proof of insurance.
23:13.25ndimSo everybody has insurance.
23:13.27TheRedBaronI don't know if our revolutionary war has showed the rest of the world anything about americans....  But we don't like paying taxes :)
23:13.33ndimAnd everybody gets access to doctors.
23:13.46TheRedBaronis currently without health insurance... and happy to live with the consequences
23:13.48ndimTheRedBaron: Unless you get enough bang for your buck.
23:14.00ndimThen you are happy to pay taxes.
23:14.10TheRedBaronndim: i've worked for the government - its more bloated then windows software :P
23:16.10ndimTheRedBaron: And if you fall down the stairs next hour, fracture a limb, need surgery and several months of rehab? Then you're basically bankrupt for the rest of your life - if you can get a loan to pay at all, right?
23:16.53TheRedBaronprobably :)
23:17.15TheRedBaronremind me to avoid stairs ;)
23:17.20ndimAnd cats.
23:18.06TheRedBaronwell - currently the cats are avoiding me :(
23:19.09ndimGood for you. Less risk to fall over them.
23:19.23ndimWell, IMHO having a system which provides an adequate level of healthcare to everybody is something you really want to have - if only for moral reasons.
23:22.17TheRedBaronagreed
23:22.24TheRedBaronjust not from the government :)
23:24.17ndimWell, if everyone else has had decades of time to do that and failed to achieve it, perhaps it is time for government to step in and lead the way.
23:26.16TheRedBaronhave we really failed ?
23:26.45TheRedBaronI'd ask for a study of the # of insured over the years
23:27.06TheRedBaronwhile taking an indepth look at the cost of living, inflation, and cost of healthcare.
23:27.28ndimI have not heard about any cases around here of people having to wait with minor problems until they are life threatening so that ER will need to treat them.
23:27.36TheRedBaronto get a cohesive look at where the problem needs fixed before saying to the private sector: "Ok - you guys sux at this, let the government run it"
23:32.15ndimWell... you won't hear the complete cohesive look if you start panicking as soon as you hear the word "government".
23:32.25ndimHear the look?
23:32.27ndimUhm..
23:32.31ndimneeds sleep
23:33.05TheRedBaronI'm not panicking :)
23:33.31TheRedBaronIf government healthcare comes about - I'll be annoyed.
23:33.47ndimYou'd be annoyed if you have health insurance?
23:34.06TheRedBaronI'll be annoyed at the extra $ leaving my paycheck without my choic
23:34.14TheRedBaronwhat choice do I have? other then to "not work"
23:34.30TheRedBaronhey - if I don't work - will I still get health insurance ?
23:34.50ndimYou do get benefits for those extra $ leaving your paycheck.
23:35.10ndimProbably a lot more benefits than if those extra $ would be used to start a few more wars, e.g.
23:35.17ndim:-)
23:36.01TheRedBaroneh - one of the classic responsiblities and purposes of a government is for the "defense" of its people.
23:36.13TheRedBaronso yes - I will fund the military - but again.
23:36.30TheRedBaronI am without persuasion or capabilties of choosing how the spend the $ the defense budget
23:36.58TheRedBaronbut at least current wars give me a modicum of safety with the "competency" of our defense
23:37.05TheRedBaronand past wars too
23:37.29TheRedBaronplease don't take the terms as absolute - but with grains of salt.  hence the use of quotations
23:38.22ndimBTW, the military is a good example of where the government can provide reasonable healthcare, apparently.
23:38.48ndimIn this case, even with the doctors+hospitals being govt employees.
23:39.21TheRedBaronwell - in the military - you are employed by the government, and as such you get healthcare insurance - just like employees get from their employers.... imagine that :)
23:39.52ndimBTW, lots of young doctors leave Germany after university to go work in Norway or the UK (and the latter has all doctors etc being govt employees!)
23:40.08TheRedBaronyou can't keep young doctors?
23:40.15TheRedBaronwhat happens when the old dr's die ?
23:40.18TheRedBaronor retire ?
23:40.19ndimIt might become an issue.
23:40.28ndimWe import young doctors from eastern europe :)
23:40.31CBGIn the UK, the NHS is paid for with taxes. It's not all that bad despite what the press say. You can also purchase superior insurance but can't not pay taxes towards the NHS.
23:41.00TheRedBaronlike I said.  Our revolutionary war, and our civil war should be signposts....
23:41.01ndimCBG: That does sound like a reasonable model to me.
23:41.18TheRedBaronwe hate paying taxes ;)
23:41.28ndimTheRedBaron: That wars are more important than the people's wellbeing. Yupp, got the point.
23:41.55TheRedBaronwell - considering both wars were both started by the people
23:42.02TheRedBaronodd how the people chose their own wellbeing ;)
23:42.03CBGTheRedBaron: me too. I hate taxes more than anything (despite never having paid any).
23:42.16CBGBut I do like the idea of the NHS and that side of a Welfare state.
23:42.28TheRedBaronCBG: why do you like the idea ?
23:42.56ndimI also like the idea of not needing to build my own road in order to get from A to B.
23:43.08ndimSome things are best provided by the community.
23:43.21CBGNice to know that I have that support regardless of my financial status.
23:43.35CBGWho's the guy who did "Supersize Me"?
23:43.45TheRedBaronMichael Meyers ;)
23:43.47TheRedBaron:D
23:43.58TheRedBaron(its michael moore)
23:44.20CBG:) I also saw him do some show where he was trying to live of a meagre income. He and his partner got ill around the same time and they got into serious trouble...
23:44.37TheRedBaronwhat was the "meager" income ?
23:45.00CBGDon't remember... But that's not my point.
23:45.30CBGMy point is that it's just nice to know that no matter what, you have healthcare available to you...
23:45.54TheRedBarontrue - i understand your point.  I was merely wondering what the income was, trying to see how relevant it is to me.  (helps bring things home - when you can built a point of relation)
23:46.16ndimI'm sorry I need to leave this discussion now, but I do need some sleep.
23:46.24ndimGood night.
23:46.28TheRedBaronhe forfeits - i win !
23:47.25CBGTheRedBaron: I don't recall and don't even remember the name of the show... I'm sure wikipedia will shed some light...
23:49.29TheRedBaronagreed - there is comfort in it.  I should retract my comment about me being happy to live with the consequences
23:49.51TheRedBaronIn rephrase it in that I understand the consequences of being without health insurance

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