| 00:26.05 | gn00bie | catay: :P |
| 00:39.39 | catay | gn00bie: |
| 00:39.43 | catay | you are alive |
| 00:39.50 | catay | and you talk! |
| 00:40.00 | catay | you escaped? :P |
| 00:58.37 | Valumzie | gn00bie: you and DoDa should watch the Sci Fi Channel tonight :) |
| 00:58.46 | gn00bie | catay: :P |
| 00:58.58 | gn00bie | Valumzie: me and Doda will be in bed early to leave early for NYC :P |
| 00:59.08 | Valumzie | hehe |
| 01:50.29 | mviron | hugs Valumzie |
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| 13:33.26 | kierra | ~lart catay |
| 13:33.26 | purl | executes killall -KILL catay |
| 13:37.15 | mviron | hugs kierra and then heads off to his parents |
| 13:39.10 | catay | kierra: what did i do now ? :P |
| 13:39.16 | catay | looses track |
| 13:47.18 | ndim | hits catay over the head with a loose piece of railway track |
| 13:49.37 | catay | ~kriek ndim |
| 13:49.41 | catay | be quiet now :p |
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| 16:37.25 | dexter- | hey's |
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| 17:51.11 | kierra | ep: duc is full! |
| 17:53.29 | ndim | ~squeeze duc |
| 17:53.30 | purl | ACTION squeezes the juice out of duc until there just ain't nothin left |
| 17:54.11 | ep | kierra, i know! |
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| 18:12.23 | ndim | dextrovich! |
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| 18:17.05 | ndim | dexter-: You rang (a few days ago, admittedly) |
| 18:17.15 | dexter- | ndim, moo |
| 18:17.38 | dexter- | ndim, I dunno why anymore.. |
| 18:17.45 | dexter- | oh ya, teachers in school |
| 18:17.50 | ndim | Ah. |
| 18:17.55 | dexter- | "so unexpected, inexplicable" |
| 18:18.15 | dexter- | not that the topic in itself was funny, but that did make me smile.. |
| 18:21.54 | ndim | Because... |
| 18:23.06 | dexter- | what we had talked about |
| 18:23.17 | dexter- | knew they'd say that |
| 18:23.31 | ndim | I see. |
| 18:33.54 | ndim | Well, it is to be expected that they say something like that. Try seeing the world through their eyes for a minute, and it becomes obvious. |
| 18:37.44 | dexter- | ndim, Yea, but then it's just suddenly the video games.. |
| 18:37.52 | dexter- | and nothing else :) |
| 19:02.42 | ndim | Pimpi_: I'm reading current reports about milk prices reaching the actual cattle farmers being below the farmers' costs. And I remember that having been the case for a long time. |
| 19:03.20 | ndim | Stupid question from an outsider: If you sell for less than your costs, why do farmers stay in that loss generating business? |
| 19:03.29 | Pimpi_ | ndim: yep, we're selling far under production costs atm |
| 19:04.14 | ndim | If I remember last year's discussion about the prices correctly, selling-under-costs had been going on for a long time. |
| 19:04.44 | ndim | With a brief pause after the issue cooked up in media and there were some negotiations and settlements and stuff |
| 19:04.54 | Pimpi_ | we have our fix costs. NOT selling milk would ruin us mich quicker than producing under price for a while |
| 19:05.19 | Pimpi_ | we have earned quite good in winter 2007/2008 for example |
| 19:05.37 | ndim | I see. |
| 19:05.41 | Pimpi_ | for the first time in years however ;) |
| 19:06.36 | ndim | Hmm... OK. But if that has been going on for years, I'd have thought many people would start looking for another leg to stand on, and some maybe to switch over. |
| 19:08.19 | Pimpi_ | yes, we used to earn some money (those who made a good job and had low production costs, that is) over the last years, however it never reflected the 60-80 hours a week, and working on weekends, barely holidays... |
| 19:08.28 | ndim | (BTW, I don't feel responsible for 20 or 25 cent prices per liter. For our fresh milk, we're paying 70 cent directly to the farmer. And for the processed stuff... I guess the higher prices from the organic shops for cheese and stuff translate into reasonable earnings for the farmer actually producing the milk.) |
| 19:09.45 | Pimpi_ | consumers aren't responsible for low prices for milk at all. it's quite simple, there's too much milk available in the market, which ruins the prices |
| 19:09.58 | ndim | Pimpi_: I understand that it is lots of work for not much money. What I don't understand... shouldn't there be some other agricultural product which can be produced in a market with less producers and more demand? |
| 19:10.34 | Pimpi_ | ndim: tere are niches, of course |
| 19:11.26 | Pimpi_ | but the main demand is for simple plain cheap food |
| 19:13.06 | Pimpi_ | exports helped to keep the prices up for quite a while, but the expensive euro makes exports difficult |
| 19:15.25 | Pimpi_ | a lot of farmers try to get another leg to stand on, like energy (wind, biogas (what ever thats called in english), tourism and such |
| 19:16.00 | Pimpi_ | others try to organise their farms better to produce with even lower costs |
| 19:18.23 | ndim | But that does not seem to descrease the milky supply in a way which could actually affect the price. |
| 19:18.54 | Pimpi_ | milk market and milk prices are a very difficult and conplex subject, especially because milk market was strongly regulated in the past and struggles badly in the current process of deregulation |
| 19:19.21 | ndim | Ah. OK, that actually starts to explain things. |
| 19:20.23 | Pimpi_ | a lot of farms will be broke by the end of this summer unless something happens very quickly |
| 19:20.44 | Pimpi_ | this will decrease production temporarily |
| 19:20.50 | ndim | Thanks for the first hand insights. I don't really trust the media to tell the complete story any more. |
| 19:21.20 | ndim | Do you have that other legs to stand on besides milk? |
| 19:22.11 | Pimpi_ | no, but i have enough liquidity to survive until it's (hopefully) gets better again ;) |
| 19:22.46 | ndim | :-/ I'll keep my fingers crossed for you. |
| 19:23.29 | Pimpi_ | btw. media cannot really give insights for "outsiders" into this far tooooo complex theme |
| 19:24.10 | Pimpi_ | but even then they still do far less to explain things than they could |
| 19:24.16 | Pimpi_ | BILD effect |
| 19:24.31 | ndim | And they have neither time, inclination, incentives, or money to actually do proper research, nowadays. |
| 19:25.26 | Pimpi_ | most tv stations also try to simplify things for their viewers |
| 19:26.26 | Pimpi_ | ppl are unsatisfied if they watched a tv show and don't end up with the feeling that they "understand" |
| 19:26.44 | ndim | Or "told you so" |
| 19:26.51 | Pimpi_ | so tv stations make ppl believe the understand |
| 19:28.07 | Pimpi_ | bbl :) |
| 19:28.14 | ndim | bye :) |
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| 23:55.51 | kierra | ~seen menotume |
| 23:55.54 | purl | menotume <n=menotume@bzflag/contributor/menotume> was last seen on IRC in channel ##kierra, 4d 23h 18m 20s ago, saying: 'the cat loves it, 3 people to feed her now'. |
| 23:59.53 | Valumzie | sends her kittie to menotume |