irclog2html for ##ace on 20060404

`00:00.28`	`cladhaire`	`whinyvoice on`
`00:00.30`	`cladhaire`	`KERGOTH!!!!!!`
`00:00.34`	`otravi`	`:OO`
`00:00.55`	`Tain`	`Go ahead, get something new.`
`00:01.02`	`Tain`	`I'll snatch that one up.`
`00:01.10`	`cladhaire`	`NO, then you'll have ALL the dreams`
`00:01.15`	`Tain`	`Aww yeah.`
`00:01.25`	`Tain`	`Not only will I have them, I'll be systematically destroying them.`
`00:01.28`	`cladhaire`	`then i'll register crushinglybrokendreams`
`00:01.52`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: hm?`
`00:01.58`	`cladhaire`	`zomg`
`00:01.58`	`cladhaire`	`hi`
`00:02.01`	`Tain`	`I still haven't gotten my friend to do a large print of the image I have on the frontpage there.`
`00:02.06`	`Tain`	`I want to hang it over my mantle`
`00:02.07`	`cladhaire`	`did you see the class definition on the lua listserv today?`
`00:02.10`	`kergoth`	`i'm heading to pick up the gf from the airport pretty soon here, so dont expect me to be on much over the past few days :P`
`00:02.17`	`cladhaire`	`aaaw.. have fun!`
`00:02.18`	`kergoth`	`havent checked my mail yet`
`00:02.25`	`cladhaire`	`its.. impressive`
`00:02.26`	`kergoth`	`s/past/next/`
`00:02.33`	`cladhaire`	`polymorphism, multiple inheritance.`
`00:02.48`	`cladhaire`	`not sure what your solution was, but this one was a lot cleaner than i expected`
`00:03.14`	`Ratbert_CP`	`ckknight: You should probably remove the .svn directories from the distribution files for BossPanel and the starter kit...`
`00:04.01`	`ckknight`	`thought I did`
`00:04.16`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: what thread is it in?`
`00:04.25`	`cladhaire`	`http://ace.pastebin.com/638936`
`00:04.36`	`cladhaire`	`new thread: Class implementation`
`00:04.37`	`Ratbert_CP`	`Well... Gotta run!`
`00:04.39`	`cladhaire`	`but here's the email`
`00:04.46`	`kergoth`	`i dont have that mail yet, seemingly`
`00:05.03`	`cladhaire`	`hrm.. interesting.`
`00:05.08`	`*** part/##ace Ratbert_CP (n=KCummins@proxy-ce1.disney.com)`
`00:05.29`	`cladhaire`	`I'm just wondering if it can spark some thoughts for the mysticaly magical Ace 2.0 class model =)`
`00:07.10`	`Tain`	`The Magical Mystery Ace`
`00:07.15`	`Tekkub`	`clad: how bout malfunctioningdreams.net?`
`00:07.22`	`cladhaire`	`cry`
`00:07.35`	`cladhaire`	`i'm so pissed my boyfriend got aftereternity. I really think its pretty slick =(`
`00:07.43`	`Tekkub`	`buggydream.net? no wait that's creepy...`
`00:07.52`	`Tekkub`	`beforeeternity?`
`00:08.05`	`Tekkub`	`eternaldreams.net!`
`00:08.11`	`cladhaire`	`Should I re-generate my PGP key so it shows a BSD build instead of a MingW32-- it makes me feel dirty`
`00:08.33`	`kergoth`	`nothing really special about that. he moves new() into __call(), keeps c.__index = c just like ace does`
`00:09.02`	`cladhaire`	`kergoth: nod, but perhaps we could use a model like that instead of the mishmash we have now.`
`00:09.04`	`Tekkub`	`hey kerg kick CIA in the BotButt it's not reporting commits`
`00:09.04`	`kergoth`	`the cool part of course is the fact that he closes the class into the object's __call :)`
`00:10.13`	`cladhaire`	`I was thinking.. you could have a class AceAddon which coonains all ace modules.. or you could just create the class you need, i.e. local AddOnName = Class(Ace, AceChatCmd, AceHook, AceEvent)`
`00:10.25`	`cladhaire`	`pick and choose your inheritance for the power users =)`
`00:10.40`	`kergoth`	`yeah, thats why i was playing with multiple inheritence, to gain that ability, its clean, i want this and that and that`
`00:10.47`	`cladhaire`	`So you can choose to write your own Debug module instead of inheriting AceDebug (although you could overwrite it either way)`
`00:11.23`	`kergoth`	`i woulkd like to performance test doing the iteration in the class constructor versus doing so in an __index and having it store it after retrieving it`
`00:11.41`	`kergoth`	`memoizing method resolution`
`00:11.49`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`00:11.54`	`cladhaire`	`and we can't use select() =(`
`00:12.05`	`ckknight`	`we have arg`
`00:12.13`	`ckknight`	`so we just use arg[1]`
`00:12.17`	`cladhaire`	`yeah but the select versino is so clean`
`00:12.21`	`ckknight`	`well, yes`
`00:12.26`	`kergoth`	`arg isnt best, that imposes overhead on the non-multiple inheritence construction`
`00:12.32`	`kergoth`	`yoru best bet is having the function have one argument`
`00:12.37`	`kergoth`	`and check that argument's type()`
`00:12.41`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`00:12.42`	`kergoth`	`if its a table, its a list of superclasses`
`00:12.48`	`cladhaire`	`same way we handle everything`
`00:12.53`	`ckknight`	`no, kergoth`
`00:13.03`	`ckknight`	`cause you feed it a table anyway`
`00:13.06`	`kergoth`	`eh?`
`00:13.08`	`ckknight`	`as a definition`
`00:13.10`	`kergoth`	`not in the single inheritence case.`
`00:13.23`	`kergoth`	`you only create and pass a table when you're doing multiple inheritence`
`00:13.30`	`cladhaire`	`Correct`
`00:13.32`	`kergoth`	`and then its explicit`
`00:13.35`	`ckknight`	`Object = class { Position = Vector {0, 0, 0}; Color = Vector {1, 1, 1, 1}; }`
`00:13.36`	`cladhaire`	`No need to complicate`
`00:13.39`	`ckknight`	`how is that not a table?`
`00:14.04`	`cladhaire`	`Thats an example of usage.`
`00:14.10`	`cladhaire`	`not how we would use it at all`
`00:14.29`	`ckknight`	`how would you use it, then?`
`00:14.37`	`cladhaire`	`AS I described`
`00:14.58`	`cladhaire`	`local AddOnName = class({AceAddon, AceHook, AceEvent, AceChatCmd})`
`00:15.02`	`cladhaire`	`or just simply:`
`00:15.02`	`kergoth`	`exactly`
`00:15.11`	`cladhaire`	`local AddOnName = class(AceAddon)`
`00:15.34`	`cladhaire`	`(get rid of the AceAddon fromt he first call I made.. AceAddon is a class that inherits from ALL registered ace modules.`
`00:15.52`	`kergoth`	`in that use case, you'd really want:`
`00:16.00`	`kergoth`	`er, no, thats righ`
`00:16.01`	`kergoth`	`t`
`00:16.04`	`kergoth`	`hmmmm`
`00:17.22`	`cladhaire`	`I think it could be a solid base for what we're looking for.`
`00:17.25`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: what i dont like about that conceptually is that in that case, an addon is only realy an aceaddon. everything else shouldnt conceptually be inheritence. it isnt an acehook, but it -has- an acehook. even in the implementation, its more composition than inheritence`
`00:17.56`	`kergoth`	`but hell, that can be fixed with documentation ;)`
`00:18.00`	`cladhaire`	`Aye`
`00:18.13`	`cladhaire`	`I prefer composition in this case, rather than inheritance.. but the general system could work for us`
`00:18.19`	`cladhaire`	`we just have to figure out the object model.`
`00:18.20`	`kergoth`	`"well, mr class, you arent anything! take that! you inherit from no one! but you have lots of stuff."`
`00:18.26`	`kergoth`	`:D`
`00:20.01`	`cladhaire`	`Instead of moving the methods over, I'd like to see the class constructor call the :Embed() method of each module, for those that use composition.`
`00:20.12`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: one that i was looking at was a previous post to the list that broke up the namespaces more. it was an interesting approach. classes could have methods that objects dont inherit, so you can essentially implement static class methods`
`00:20.24`	`cladhaire`	`That would be very nice.`
`00:20.35`	`kergoth`	`so Embed wouldnt be in the object, for example`
`00:20.44`	`cladhaire`	`aye`
`00:20.47`	`kergoth`	`hmmm`
`00:21.01`	`cladhaire`	`that's why i use embed... i omit a number of static methods fromt he embed.`
`00:21.29`	`kergoth`	`the problem with that implementation of multiple inheritence, and too with the use of Embed, is that there's no clean way to handle resolution of a method that multple superclasses provide`
`00:22.11`	`cladhaire`	`nope, its all hack-jobby`
`00:22.21`	`cladhaire`	`but thats inherent to any system with multInh`
`00:23.18`	`cladhaire`	`Just think about it.. just not while you're with your girlfriend =)`
`00:23.52`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:24.09`	`cladhaire`	`I hate when I'm doing something fun.. and something like this pops into my head =)`
`00:24.25`	`kergoth`	`i like that simple one you linked me to, i say if we split the namespaces a bit more like akclass, so we can have static class methods cleanly, i think thatd be a good way to go`
`00:24.54`	`cladhaire`	`I'm going to start using setfenv() to define my methods.. cause i'm lazy =)`
`00:24.58`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:25.13`	`kergoth`	`did you see my various attempts at a magic super() function?`
`00:25.21`	`kergoth`	`to get at the superclass from a method`
`00:25.26`	`kergoth`	`ugly, ugly, ugly stuff :)`
`00:25.27`	`cladhaire`	`shake`
`00:25.31`	`cladhaire`	`i'm still catching up =)`
`00:25.54`	`cladhaire`	`i'm a month behind your development =)`
`00:27.06`	`kergoth`	`in the end, i figured just referencing each superclass by name explicitly was best :P`
`00:27.21`	`kergoth`	`any implementation of something that involves using debug.getinfo() in a regular callpath is bad, mmk?`
`00:27.54`	`cladhaire`	`heheh`
`00:28.05`	`otravi`	`time to get the ordinary three hours of sleep! zzz`
`00:28.49`	`cladhaire`	`I should alter the :Embed method in AceHook to scan the global environment for the name of the namespace that gets passed and store it in self.Hooks.name`
`00:29.06`	`cladhaire`	`rather than force a lookup on error`
`00:30.50`	`cladhaire`	`But i only use tit on an illegal hook, which is essentially a terminate condition anyway.`
`00:32.29`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: so, question, do you think it makes sense to take the stub table & functions from iriel's embedding lib and make that shared rather than per lib, avoiding a global per lib in favor of a single locally bound table holding all the libs?`
`00:32.54`	`cladhaire`	`I think Ace should BE the stub as well as what we currently have`
`00:34.27`	`kergoth`	`i was thinking something like local se = AceModule('SpecialEvents') se:blahmethod()`
`00:34.37`	`cladhaire`	`nod`
`00:34.40`	`cladhaire`	`something along those lines.`
`00:35.12`	`kergoth`	`okay, lets start a branch. we'll replace the object model with the one you linked to start with, and enhance it further, and start merging in the stub code`
`00:35.12`	`cladhaire`	`I still dont' have an issue with :GetInstance() tho, if we want to stick with that`
`00:35.14`	`cladhaire`	`so many decisions.`
`00:35.28`	`kergoth`	`i figured __call would just be syntactic sugar for GetInstance(foo)`
`00:35.29`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`00:35.37`	`cladhaire`	`nod`
`00:36.11`	`kergoth`	`okay, as long as we're on the same page with this stuff, if you dont get to it, i'll create a branch when i have a moment`
`00:36.13`	`cladhaire`	`I haven't looked at the ace object model very much at all, other than to debug the issue i've seen`
`00:36.18`	`cladhaire`	`ok`
`00:36.18`	`kergoth`	`enough musing, lets get to some code already ;)`
`00:36.22`	`cladhaire`	`preferred naming scheme?`
`00:36.49`	`cladhaire`	`err rather, what do you want the branch named specifically?`
`00:36.57`	`kergoth`	`in the repo? branches/Ace/2.0? or by task, branches/Ace/object`
`00:37.02`	`kergoth`	`either is fine with me`
`00:37.18`	`cladhaire`	`ok`
`00:37.19`	`kergoth`	`or perhaps both, merging changes to 2.0 as we finish them`
`00:37.20`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`00:38.31`	`cladhaire`	`i'll let you create the branch-- even with girlfriend time you'll have more time than I will- i'll let you get things arranged all neat and kergoth-y`
`00:39.17`	`kergoth`	`hehe, k`
`00:42.10`	`*** join/##ace ckknight_ (n=ckknight@24-136-27-242.alc-bsr1.chi-alc.il.cable.rcn.com)`
`00:43.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ahhhh`
`00:43.36`	`hyperChipmunk`	`back to good old gvim`
`00:43.47`	`kergoth`	`yay gvim`
`00:44.01`	`cladhaire`	`Tell your gf that cladhaire said hey =)`
`00:44.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I was running an experiment, using KATE to write BossPanel_Battlegrounds`
`00:44.24`	`Tain`	`Tell your gf that Tain almost said something really inappropriate.`
`00:44.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`i promised I'd use it to write all of the code`
`00:45.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`tell your gf that hyperactiveChipmunk didn't say anything, just kinda sat there, chittering and vibrating spasmodically`
`00:46.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hmm...error on line 86`
`00:46.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`86gg`
`00:46.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`BAM!`
`00:46.58`	`Tain`	`Yeesh took me an hour to respond to emails tonight.`
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`01:22.22`	`Tekkub`	`chippy...`
`01:22.25`	`Tekkub`	`you're a fruit`
`01:22.49`	`Tekkub`	`and people say I'm weird cause I talk to my cats`
`01:26.26`	`hyperChipmunk`	`>8p`
`01:26.34`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hey look, another file from boss...`
`01:26.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`!GGdos2unix<ENTER>`
`01:27.00`	`*** join/##ace Tem (n=Tem@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net)`
`01:27.12`	`cladhaire`	`Hey Tem`
`01:27.18`	`Tem`	`hey`
`01:33.41`	`Tain`	`aww my new computer parts hasn't shipped yet.`
`01:34.23`	`cladhaire`	`What did you order?`
`01:35.05`	`Tain`	`Athlon 64 X2 4200+, 2gb RAM, GeForce 7900GT`
`01:35.59`	`Tain`	`I almost ordered a 24" widscreen LCD from Dell too, but they wanted to charge me sales tax.`
`01:36.27`	`cladhaire`	`hehe`
`01:36.37`	`cladhaire`	`i love my 19" i picked up at best buy on black friday`
`01:37.29`	`Tain`	`I'm really struggling, I have a 17" widescreen and I don't know if I can ever go back to not having a widescreen monitor again.`
`01:37.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you can't`
`01:37.52`	`Tain`	`Unless I buy 2 normal aspect. :D`
`01:37.57`	`hyperChipmunk`	`no`
`01:38.35`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you gotta go 24" wide and 17" standard`
`01:38.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the 24" wide for wow`
`01:38.48`	`Tain`	`The 2405 from Dell was (maybe is) $799, and I almost bought it until the sales tax came up.`
`01:38.51`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the 17" for coding`
`01:39.07`	`Tain`	`Ehn screw WoW. I only log in to WoW long enough to test whatever I'm coding.`
`01:39.23`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you military by chance?`
`01:39.29`	`Tain`	`No.`
`01:40.27`	`Tain`	`Of course even my extravigant, gadget loving, money wasting self can't justify a 30" Apple Cinema display.`
`01:40.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`=)`
`01:40.58`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you're not putting enough effort into it then`
`01:41.11`	`Tain`	`I bet WoW doesn't even support 2560-by-1600`
`01:41.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`does now`
`01:41.24`	`hyperChipmunk`	`as of 1.10`
`01:41.28`	`Tain`	`Oooh hehe`
`01:41.30`	`Tain`	`Well still.`
`01:41.54`	`Tain`	`Actually I could almost buy 3 of the Dell 24" widescreens for the same price as one 30" Cinema`
`01:42.16`	`Tain`	`And that would make for a hell of a panoramic display.`
`01:42.22`	`cladhaire`	`hehe`
`01:43.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh crap, now i have to do that`
`01:43.14`	`Tain`	`Or that's like..`
`01:43.30`	`Tain`	`10 hookers at once`
`01:43.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`O_o`
`01:43.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`what a waste`
`01:43.48`	`Tain`	`What a memory.`
`01:44.41`	`Tain`	`"It is better to deserve honors and not have them than to have them and not to deserve them." - Mark Twain`
`02:02.20`	`Tain`	`With that check I'll mail tomorrow my car is paid off and I am officially 100% debt-free.`
`02:07.09`	`Tekkub`	`hrm... I think nearly all CTRA_BM's warnings will match "^* .+ *$"`
`02:07.23`	`Tekkub`	`* isn't a reserved char in regex is it checks`
`02:07.27`	`Tekkub`	`Ithink it is...`
`02:07.54`	`*** join/##ace Wobin_ (n=wob@221.221.25.237)`
`02:07.58`	`Tekkub`	`it is, bah`
`02:09.58`	`Tekkub`	`% is the escape in lua's regex right? so I can change that string to "^%%%* .+ %%%*$" ?`
`02:11.02`	`Tekkub`	`yea it worked :P`
`02:13.33`	`Tekkub`	`wewt! BossBlock was a lot easier to write than I expected, thank you CT for being consistant with the BossMods spam format!`
`02:14.31`	`Wobin_`	`hehe for a minute there I wondered "What would a BossPanel addon named 'Block', do?"`
`02:14.52`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`02:15.16`	`Tekkub`	`I guess I'll stick to the "* Message *" format too, I didn't wanna but I will for consistancy's sake`
`02:15.26`	`Tekkub`	`:)`
`02:15.38`	`Tekkub`	`plus it makes blocking spam easier on me in the end`
`02:15.56`	`Tekkub`	`OMG BIG BOOMING VOICE FROM THE SKY!`
`02:17.24`	`Tekkub`	`GAH THRE IT IS AGAIN!`
`02:17.54`	`Tain`	`what oh..`
`02:18.00`	`Tain`	`I thought you said big boobies from the sky.`
`02:18.21`	`*** join/##ace Jarenthal (n=Roo@cpe-066-057-087-213.nc.res.rr.com)`
`02:21.24`	`Tekkub`	`cowers in fear`
`02:22.51`	`Jarenthal`	`Ewww, get out of that fear/`
`02:28.05`	`Tekkub`	`righto, BossBlock is up on the SVN, give it a test run if you don't like the spam from CTRA_BossMods users`
`02:29.08`	`Wobin_`	`You should call it 'EarMuffs' or something =)`
`02:29.31`	`Wobin_`	`Or NananaCantHearYou`
`02:29.39`	`Tekkub`	`kek`
`02:29.52`	`Tekkub`	`CanIt`
`02:30.01`	`Wobin_`	`ZipIt =)`
`02:30.15`	`Tekkub`	`there's a lovely mod called STFU`
`02:30.21`	`Tekkub`	`maybe I'll go with OMGSTFU`
`02:30.30`	`Wobin_`	`OMGLOLSTFU`
`02:30.49`	`Tekkub`	`IHateMyBoss`
`02:31.25`	`Tekkub`	`BlahBlahBlah`
`02:31.58`	`Wobin_`	`YadaYadaYada`
`02:32.26`	`Tekkub`	`oh that's a good one`
`02:33.14`	`Tekkub`	`needs a gnomish engineering type name....`
`02:33.43`	`Wobin_`	`YattaYattaYatta`
`02:33.53`	`Tekkub`	`no!`
`02:34.41`	`Jarenthal`	`Gnomish engineering type name?`
`02:34.41`	`Tekkub`	`Vocal Nullification Modulator`
`02:35.02`	`Jarenthal`	`Combobulatory thing doing device.`
`02:35.12`	`Tekkub`	`you lose`
`02:35.40`	`Wobin_`	`Illudium Q-36 Explosive Space Modulator`
`02:35.52`	`Wobin_`	`No real relation to the topic, but I just want a mod named that`
`02:36.01`	`Tekkub`	`hrm......`
`02:36.14`	`Wobin_`	`. o O (Where's the kaboom?)`
`02:36.45`	`Tekkub`	`Anti-Dihorea-of-the-mouth`
`02:36.57`	`Wobin_`	`BossImmodium?`
`02:37.10`	`Tekkub`	`DoesHeEverShutUp?`
`02:37.30`	`Wobin_`	`MakesHandYappingMotions`
`02:37.35`	`Tekkub`	`Imodiumatic`
`02:38.20`	`Tekkub`	`Imodiumatic - It stops diarrhea of the mouth dead in it's tracks!`
`02:38.41`	`Wobin_`	`hm`
`02:38.53`	`Wobin_`	`You need some 'vocal' reference in the name`
`02:39.55`	`Wobin_`	`TuneOut`
`02:40.40`	`Tekkub`	`hrm... we might have a winner`
`02:41.24`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Gnomish Sonic Waveform Nullifier`
`02:41.40`	`Tekkub`	`Raidiologic Tuner Outer`
`02:41.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's moronic`
`02:41.54`	`Wobin_`	`Tuna =)`
`02:41.56`	`Tekkub`	`and you aren't chitter boy?`
`02:42.00`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`02:42.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh, the insult!`
`02:42.11`	`Wobin_`	`Struck to the core!`
`02:42.43`	`Wobin_`	`I like Raidiologic though`
`02:42.44`	`Tekkub`	`Gnomish Universal Mute Button?`
`02:42.54`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hehe`
`02:43.06`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hmm`
`02:43.11`	`Tekkub`	`RaidOff`
`02:43.29`	`hyperChipmunk`	`heh`
`02:43.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`how about IKNOWIMPLAGUED`
`02:43.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`dude`
`02:43.54`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you should set a mode to autorespond`
`02:43.56`	`Tekkub`	`CanIHearYouNow?`
`02:44.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`send an equal number of outgoing spams to each person who sent you one`
`02:44.33`	`Tekkub`	`you know, autorespond would SOOOOO piss my raid leader off`
`02:44.41`	`Tekkub`	`I love it`
`02:45.13`	`Tekkub`	`YOU ARE PLAGUED ... THERE'S A SPIDER IN YOUR HAIR`
`02:45.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yes`
`02:45.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`YOU ARE PLAGUED ... AND I'M SLEEPING WITH YOUR SISTER`
`02:45.57`	`Tekkub`	`hrm... maybe a random reply from a set...`
`02:46.04`	`Tekkub`	`WHAT DO I DO!`
`02:46.09`	`Tekkub`	`OMG RUN AWAY!`
`02:46.10`	`Wobin_`	`OMGOMGOMG`
`02:46.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`rofl`
`02:46.17`	`Tekkub`	`WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!`
`02:46.23`	`Tekkub`	`SO?`
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`02:46.35`	`hyperChipmunk`	`WHAT'S THAT MEAN`
`02:46.41`	`Tekkub`	`WHO SAID THAT? IS THAT YOU GOD?`
`02:46.49`	`ckknight_`	`indoor voice`
`02:46.56`	`Tekkub`	`WHAT?`
`02:47.02`	`Wobin_`	`IT'S ME, ALISON`
`02:47.05`	`Wobin_`	`=P`
`02:47.08`	`Tekkub`	`HUH?`
`02:47.24`	`Tekkub`	`AND YOU ARE...?`
`02:48.14`	`Tekkub`	`heh, could just rip off all the pissy voice sayings from the NPCs`
`02:48.30`	`Tekkub`	`I'm starting to hate you!`
`02:49.29`	`Jarenthal`	`have it reply "Hold that thought, I'm about to pull that mob in the back."`
`02:49.37`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hehe`
`02:49.54`	`hyperChipmunk`	`"sec, I'm bandaging the tank"`
`02:49.56`	`Tekkub`	`You're startin' to bother me!`
`02:50.00`	`Tekkub`	`THat's not funny!`
`02:50.18`	`Tekkub`	`Keep you feet....`
`02:50.38`	`Tekkub`	`ARGLE!`
`02:50.40`	`Jarenthal`	`make it customizable`
`02:50.55`	`Jarenthal`	`"Ooh, I love it when you talk dirty to me."`
`02:51.39`	`Tekkub`	`"Think that's fun'eh dew ya?"`
`02:52.16`	`Tekkub`	`hrm....`
`02:52.28`	`Tekkub`	`"YOU ARE THE BOMB" ... "FIRE BAD FIRE BAD!"`
`02:52.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`dude`
`02:52.51`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I had a guy tell me I was the bomb`
`02:52.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I was like, "thanks"`
`02:53.14`	`Tain`	`Bam! Kick it up a notch!`
`02:53.17`	`ckknight_`	`then you exploded`
`02:53.18`	`hyperChipmunk`	`after the fight, I realized what it meant`
`02:53.23`	`hyperChipmunk`	`=x`
`02:54.00`	`Tekkub`	`any time you're in a raid and you get mysterious all-caps tells in a boss fight stop everything you're doing and ask the raid what that means?`
`02:54.17`	`Tekkub`	`by the time they read it you'll be fucked anyway :)`
`02:54.50`	`Jarenthal`	`this sucks`
`02:54.50`	`Tekkub`	`make sure to run into the nearest group of players and shore the information you received as well`
`02:54.57`	`Jarenthal`	`I like Kissables better than M&M's`
`02:56.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I'd run over and /say "Hey, guys. The raid leader said I was the bomb!"`
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`03:09.26`	`Wobin_`	`hrm, someone was saying something about asking you to register "#ace", Kael?`
`03:09.35`	`Kaelten`	`I've done it twice,`
`03:09.38`	`Kaelten`	`they havn't gave it to me`
`03:09.48`	`Wobin_`	`feh, bastards`
`03:11.55`	`Kaelten`	`hmm`
`03:12.06`	`Kaelten`	`well you know what I think its time I did make an official one regardless.`
`03:12.40`	`Wobin_`	`oh. Well, yes, the original request did mention something about an official registration`
`03:12.51`	`Kaelten`	`ya I've done it, twice`
`03:12.54`	`Wobin_`	`before it got slightly manged by Internet Whispers`
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`03:16.39`	`Tain`	`Hey Kael`
`03:16.43`	`Kaelten`	`Hey Tem`
`03:16.59`	`Kaelten`	`what you guys think about #wowace being the official (and moderated) channel`
`03:17.02`	`Kaelten`	`?`
`03:17.49`	`Tain`	`Dun care`
`03:18.52`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`03:20.15`	`Tem`	`hey Kaelten`
`03:20.26`	`Tem`	`I'm cool with that`
`03:20.36`	`Tem`	`been auto-logging into ##ace forever though`
`03:24.19`	`Kaelten`	`ya`
`03:24.34`	`Kaelten`	`thats the only thing thats a truth is that people are used to ##ace`
`03:24.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so set a topic to point them to #wowace`
`03:24.55`	`hyperChipmunk`	`leave the bots in to notify`
`03:25.09`	`Kaelten`	`ya`
`03:25.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and entertain`
`03:25.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`of course`
`03:25.30`	`Kaelten`	`well I guess lets switch over`
`03:25.36`	`Kaelten`	`already got it registered`
`03:25.44`	`hyperChipmunk`	`though I think it should be called #chipperFanClub`
`03:25.55`	`Kaelten`	`er...`
`03:25.57`	`Kaelten`	`:S`
`03:25.58`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`03:26.35`	`*** topic/##ace by Kaelten -> www.wowace.com \| ace.pastebin.com \| #wowace the new official channel`
`03:27.01`	`Kaelten`	`purl`
`03:27.05`	`Kaelten`	`purl, help`
`03:28.16`	`Kaelten`	`purl, help onjoin`
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`04:12.00`	`Kaelten`	`Notice: #wowace the new official channel`
`04:13.03`	`Djanee`	`Timex question, I know I can do a "/timex do" in game to execute a function at some interval of time. Is there a chat command for making bars? or only available via script?`
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`04:39.48`	`Kaelten`	`~emulate zeeg`
`04:39.50`	`purl`	`i have no morals. im a business man`
`04:41.00`	`ckknight_`	`~emulate ckknight`
`04:41.10`	`ckknight_`	`hrm, I thought someone put something in for me`
`04:41.14`	`Kaelten`	`Notice: #wowace the new official channel`
`04:41.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you deleted it`
`04:41.33`	`ckknight_`	`yea, cause I didn't say it`
`04:45.39`	`Kaelten`	`purl, author`
`04:45.52`	`Kaelten`	`~author`
`04:45.56`	`Cairenn`	`purl, who owns you?`
`04:45.58`	`purl`	`TimRiker does`
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`04:48.46`	`Cairenn`	`~timriker`
`04:48.48`	`purl`	`hmm... timriker is my owner http://rikers.org/ mailto:Tim@Rikers.org mailto:TimR@Debian.org maintainer of BZFlag, member of a ton of open source projects http://www.advogato.com/person/timriker/ http://sourceforge.net/users/timriker/ the guy who GPL'd SCO's ABI files, giving every Linux user the right to use them ;-), or a very cool guy.`
`04:50.20`	`Tem`	`kergoth: you around?`
`05:16.38`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, you here?`
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`05:22.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I am`
`05:22.07`	`ckknight`	`alright`
`05:22.17`	`ckknight`	`remember when I had you change 0.5 to 0.8?`
`05:22.24`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea`
`05:22.40`	`ckknight`	`how'd the estimated honor line up with actual honor after that?`
`05:22.52`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I keep forgetting to write it down before I go to bed =P`
`05:23.03`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it used to be that it stayed until the first honor gain the next day`
`05:23.04`	`ckknight`	`will you please do it?`
`05:23.06`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea`
`05:23.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`in fact, I'll stop after next match`
`05:23.45`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh, hmm`
`05:23.59`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I've killed the process a couple times`
`05:24.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`not sure if I reloaded before each to save the data`
`05:25.05`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`05:25.17`	`ckknight`	`that does kill data, doesn't it?`
`05:25.33`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ya`
`05:25.44`	`ckknight`	`okay, I'm contemplating FuBar`
`05:25.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`>8D`
`05:26.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I do like the convention of calling things Plugin-Fu too`
`05:27.06`	`ckknight`	`with dash or without?`
`05:27.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`it's short, distinctive, and will address rowne's arguments against the prefix convention`
`05:27.43`	`hyperChipmunk`	`dude, you gotta use the dash, kung-fu style`
`05:28.23`	`ckknight`	`the dash isn't standard`
`05:28.30`	`ckknight`	`and people in wowilounge are saying without`
`05:29.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I'm trying to think of ways to abuse either one`
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`05:30.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`either way, it opens up tons of new clever naming options`
`05:31.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`there will be a SNA-Fu/SNAFu within a week`
`05:31.11`	`ckknight`	`what is Snafu?`
`05:31.19`	`ckknight`	`okay, TOC time`
`05:31.26`	`ckknight`	`what should the titles be?`
`05:31.27`	`ckknight`	`options:`
`05:31.33`	`ckknight`	`FuBar - PluginFu`
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`05:31.38`	`ckknight`	`or just PluginFu`
`05:31.46`	`ckknight`	`or FuBar - PluginFu - Author`
`05:31.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I think the Fu is distinctive enough`
`05:32.04`	`ckknight`	`but it doesn't put em all in one place, like it does now`
`05:32.17`	`hyperChipmunk`	`ah, good point`
`05:32.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`go with the FuBar - PluginFu`
`05:33.35`	`Kaelten`	`Notice: #wowace the new official channel`
`05:34.03`	`ckknight`	`FuBar - \|cffffffffPlugin\|r\|cff00ff00Fu\|r`
`05:34.06`	`ckknight`	`how bout that?`
`05:37.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`sure`
`05:38.07`	`ckknight`	`seems good to me`
`05:50.09`	`ckknight`	`now I go through a process of renaming things...`
`05:50.50`	`ckknight`	`this is gonna break a lot of API stuff...`
`05:50.57`	`ckknight`	`:-P`
`05:52.44`	`ckknight`	`okay, on the website, should the naming convention be PluginFu or FuBar - PluginFu?`
`05:53.30`	`Tem`	`PluginFu`
`05:53.39`	`ckknight`	`I think you're right`
`05:53.55`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`that would be my suggestion`
`05:54.15`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`FuBar-PluginFu is too much, imo`
`05:54.27`	`ckknight`	`yea, it'll be FuBar - PluginFu in the docs`
`05:54.33`	`ckknight`	`but not when referring to it in passing`
`05:54.41`	`hyperChipmunk`	`sed ftw`
`05:54.54`	`ckknight`	`I'm gonna make it sed-compliant, hyperChipmunk`
`05:55.25`	`ckknight`	`every BossPanel goes to FuBar and bpCompatible goes to fuCompatible`
`05:55.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`put the script on the page too`
`05:55.39`	`ckknight`	`most people don't use *nix`
`05:55.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`or that works`
`05:55.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`there's no sed in windows?`
`05:55.55`	`ckknight`	`nope`
`05:55.59`	`ckknight`	`notepad search and replace, though`
`05:56.03`	`hyperChipmunk`	`what do you use then?`
`05:56.12`	`ckknight`	`I use Notepad2`
`05:56.14`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that's retarded`
`05:56.17`	`ckknight`	`why?`
`05:56.31`	`ckknight`	`if I could, I'd use Gedit :-P`
`05:56.32`	`hyperChipmunk`	`opening 50 files up in notepad and running search and replace`
`05:56.41`	`Tem`	`how do you go about changing the names of every plugin though`
`05:56.42`	`ckknight`	`oh, for that, I'll use sed`
`05:56.54`	`ckknight`	`Tem, that is slightly complicated`
`05:57.02`	`ckknight`	`?`
`05:57.05`	`Tem`	`Jarenthal: ?`
`05:57.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you're gonna have to make a pre-1.0 with the new naming`
`05:57.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and backwards compatibility`
`05:57.19`	`hyperChipmunk`	`to give people time to adjust`
`05:57.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`one that works for both`
`05:57.50`	`ckknight`	`oh of course`
`05:57.56`	`ckknight`	`it'll be backwards compatible`
`05:58.02`	`Jarenthal`	`I still don't understand how one could possibly prefer a suffix to a prefix.`
`05:58.18`	`ckknight`	`it ends in Fu`
`05:58.25`	`Jarenthal`	`It completely fouls up my ability to keep my addons sorted properly.`
`05:58.44`	`ckknight`	`...yea`
`05:59.07`	`ckknight`	`I'm thinking the folder names stay FuBar_PluginFu`
`05:59.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`FuBarFu`
`05:59.20`	`Tem`	`I agree ckknight`
`05:59.38`	`Jarenthal`	`That does sound good`
`05:59.49`	`ckknight`	`what do you think about that?`
`05:59.53`	`Jarenthal`	`someone needs a good excuse to name a plugin "sna" though`
`06:00.14`	`Jarenthal`	`in line with what you were talking about before`
`06:00.24`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`06:00.34`	`ckknight`	`so it'll be PluginFu on a website`
`06:00.39`	`ckknight`	`FuBar_PluginFu as a folder`
`06:00.49`	`ckknight`	`PluginFu as a title`
`06:01.04`	`ckknight`	`and FuBar - \|cffffffffPlugin\|r\|cff00ff00Fu\|r as the TOC title`
`06:01.23`	`Tem`	`the Fu will be green?`
`06:01.33`	`ckknight`	`yes`
`06:01.38`	`ckknight`	`it deserves to be green`
`06:01.42`	`L\|Elviso`	`is that literal?`
`06:01.52`	`Tem`	`why green?`
`06:01.53`	`L\|Elviso`	`as in actually calling it Fu?`
`06:01.55`	`ckknight`	`yes, L\|elviso`
`06:01.59`	`ckknight`	`FuBar, at least`
`06:02.01`	`L\|Elviso`	`hahaha, I love it`
`06:02.04`	`ckknight`	`Tem, why not green?`
`06:02.16`	`ckknight`	`it's bright, and it's not white`
`06:02.24`	`ckknight`	`and it signifies "good"`
`06:02.27`	`ckknight`	`Fu!`
`06:02.46`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`L\|Elviso: http://www.wowinterface.com/forums/showthread.php?t=4293`
`06:02.53`	`Tem`	`I have nothing against green`
`06:02.57`	`Tem`	`just, why green`
`06:03.27`	`ckknight`	`I gave my reasons`
`06:03.27`	`ckknight`	`the other part of the title is white`
`06:03.33`	`ckknight`	`and it should stand out, cause it's amazing`
`06:03.40`	`hyperChipmunk`	`19216`
`06:03.55`	`Tem`	`I'm cool with that`
`06:04.32`	`ckknight`	`what is Snafu?`
`06:04.36`	`ckknight`	`and what would KungFu do?`
`06:05.31`	`hyperChipmunk`	`military lingo`
`06:05.31`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`ckknight: do you mean what is the acronym?`
`06:05.31`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Situation Normal -- All Fudged Up`
`06:05.31`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`FuBar = F'd Up Beyond All Recognition (or Recovery or Repair)`
`06:05.31`	`ckknight`	`I know that, Cairenn\|sleep`
`06:05.31`	`ckknight`	`it was in Full Metal Jacket`
`06:05.31`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`Snafu = Situation Normal, All F'd Up`
`06:05.31`	`ckknight`	`a kickass movie`
`06:05.31`	`L\|Elviso`	`Cairenn\|sleep, thanks :)`
`06:05.50`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh, tofu, i didn't think of that one`
`06:05.51`	`ckknight`	`I don't like tofu, personally`
`06:06.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I need to be the first to make SNAFu fit`
`06:06.09`	`L\|Elviso`	`I like FuBar, since foobar is such a common programming example`
`06:06.15`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`06:06.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but I can't think of any way to mangle BOssPanel_Battlegrounds into SNAFu`
`06:06.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and that makes me sad`
`06:06.30`	`L\|Elviso`	`it kinda fits with the spirit of the project`
`06:06.31`	`hyperChipmunk`	`because I do this for a living`
`06:06.40`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`that was precisely what I said when I suggested it`
`06:07.01`	`hyperChipmunk`	`well, I work for military R&D, which is basically the same thin`
`06:07.08`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`it is such a complete play on words in so very many different ways, how can you possible resist it`
`06:07.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`yea`
`06:07.18`	`L\|Elviso`	`heh yeah`
`06:07.20`	`hyperChipmunk`	`and the clever plugins`
`06:07.21`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`I've been trying to figure out SnaFu all day`
`06:07.27`	`Tem`	`wait wait`
`06:07.47`	`Tem`	`isn't Snafu's roots in the military?`
`06:07.47`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`<== has worked with the military`
`06:07.53`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`oh yeah`
`06:07.54`	`L\|Elviso`	`if I had 1g for every "function foo() if $foo != $bar then foobar() end"`
`06:07.57`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`so is FuBar`
`06:08.02`	`L\|Elviso`	`i'd be rich`
`06:08.06`	`hyperChipmunk`	`the N just doesn't go with anything`
`06:08.10`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`<== comes from Military family`
`06:08.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`you could get Situational N Assistant`
`06:08.24`	`ckknight`	`I use the military alphabet as filler variables`
`06:08.25`	`hyperChipmunk`	`but I can't think of anything for N except Navigational`
`06:08.27`	`Jarenthal`	`It seems as if SNA should be the Ace version of SCT, somehow...`
`06:08.28`	`Tem`	`which would make it appropriate for a military addon`
`06:08.30`	`ckknight`	`alpha, bravo, charlie, delta, echo, etc.`
`06:08.46`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`foxtrot, golf, hotel`
`06:08.46`	`hyperChipmunk`	`so just call it SNAFu and not pretend to have an acronym?`
`06:08.47`	`Tem`	`ie, Battlegrounds`
`06:08.55`	`ckknight`	`india, juliet, kilo, mike`
`06:09.12`	`ckknight`	`hyperChipmunk, it's BatllegroundsFu.`
`06:09.16`	`hyperChipmunk`	`no!`
`06:09.20`	`ckknight`	`or BattlegroundFu`
`06:09.21`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I must have SNAFu`
`06:09.23`	`ckknight`	`it has to make sense.`
`06:09.40`	`ckknight`	`you must harness the dark chi of the forefathers`
`06:09.47`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Strategic`
`06:09.57`	`Jarenthal`	`Small narcoleptic animal.`
`06:10.02`	`hyperChipmunk`	`NSOMETHING`
`06:10.03`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`Jarenthal: lol`
`06:10.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`AddOn`
`06:10.06`	`ckknight`	`lol, Jarenthal`
`06:10.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`omg`
`06:10.21`	`ckknight`	`Strategic Penis Addon`
`06:10.23`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I is teh snafu =(`
`06:10.30`	`ckknight`	`no, wait`
`06:10.30`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Penis doesn't start with N`
`06:10.35`	`ckknight`	`it does now!`
`06:10.43`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`november, oscar, papa`
`06:10.59`	`Jarenthal`	`Severely Needed Addon.`
`06:11.12`	`hyperChipmunk`	`oh that's good, but cheating`
`06:11.17`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`quebec, romeo, sierra, tango, uniform, victor, whiskey, x-ray, yankee, zulu`
`06:11.19`	`ckknight`	`StFu`
`06:11.25`	`Jarenthal`	`LOL`
`06:11.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`hehe`
`06:11.34`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`ROFL`
`06:11.55`	`Jarenthal`	`Scrolling Text!`
`06:11.57`	`L\|Elviso`	`I know those and I've never even been close to the military..`
`06:12.07`	`L\|Elviso`	`although I did do my share of telephone tech support`
`06:12.09`	`Jarenthal`	`Except SCT as a bar plugin would be kinda goofy.`
`06:12.24`	`Wobin_`	`Briliant`
`06:12.24`	`ckknight`	`wun, too, tree, fower, fife, six, seven, ait, niner`
`06:12.25`	`L\|Elviso`	`and induhviduals needed prodding with letters`
`06:12.29`	`Wobin_`	`StFu =)`
`06:12.43`	`L\|Elviso`	`BuFu`
`06:12.54`	`ckknight`	`DungFu`
`06:13.11`	`hyperChipmunk`	`Strategic Nxxxxx AddOn`
`06:13.17`	`Jarenthal`	`QuackFu`
`06:13.28`	`hyperChipmunk`	`fill in the blanks!`
`06:15.02`	`Tem`	`alright the discussion across 3 channels thing -- not cool`
`06:15.06`	`Tem`	`can't handle it`
`06:15.07`	`hyperChipmunk`	`agreed`
`06:15.09`	`hyperChipmunk`	`this is nuts`
`06:15.13`	`Wobin_`	`My brain hurts =)`
`06:15.34`	`hyperChipmunk`	`especially when you have to Esc-# between them`
`06:15.38`	`hyperChipmunk`	`that gets old`
`06:15.45`	`*** topic/##ace by Tem -> www.wowace.com \| ace.pastebin.com \| #wowace the new official channel. that means this channel is dead! MOVE ALREADY`
`06:15.53`	`hyperChipmunk`	`<3`
`06:15.55`	`Cairenn\|sleep`	`lol`
`06:16.14`	`*** topic/##ace by Tem -> www.wowace.com \| ace.pastebin.com \| #wowace the new official channel. That means this channel is dead! MOVE ALREADY`
`06:16.54`	`*** topic/##ace by Jarenthal -> www.wowace.com \| ace.pastebin.com \| #wowace the new official channel. That means this channel is dead! MOVE ALREADY! And bring fried chicken.`
`06:17.24`	`*** topic/##ace by Tem -> www.wowace.com \| ace.pastebin.com \| #wowace the new official channel. That means this channel is dead! MOVE ALREADY! And bring fried chicken. [support and end to topic abuse!]`
`06:17.32`	`Wobin_`	`and end? =P`
`06:17.33`	`*** topic/##ace by Tem -> www.wowace.com \| ace.pastebin.com \| #wowace the new official channel. That means this channel is dead! MOVE ALREADY! And bring fried chicken. [support an end to topic abuse!]`
`06:17.46`	`Tem`	`sorry, typo-licious`
`06:19.20`	`ckknight`	`can someone else using Trillian tell me if they can see the user list in #wowace?`
`06:22.04`	`hyperChipmunk`	`I now hate the letter N`
`06:22.10`	`hyperChipmunk`	`what a frickin stupid letter`
`06:22.19`	`Wobin_`	`So you will be hereforth known as hyperChipmuk`
`06:22.21`	`ckknight`	`noob.`
`06:22.27`	`hyperChipmunk`	`=D`
`06:24.26`	`hyperChipmuk`	`ha, did you know that 'Adar' and 'Adama' are in the default /usr/share/dict/words file`
`06:24.29`	`hyperChipmuk`	`funny`
`06:24.59`	`hyperChipmuk`	`also, this file is huge`
`06:25.44`	`Tem`	`hyperChipmuk: why are you still talking on this channel`
`06:25.57`	`hyperChipmuk`	`because I hate you`
`06:26.58`	`Tem`	`clearly`
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`06:31.48`	`hyperChipmuk`	`join #wowace`
`06:32.08`	`[MoonWolf]`	`give me some time to like, actually read topics`
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`07:06.27`	`Codayus`	`Oh....`
`07:06.28`	`Codayus`	`hmmm`
`07:06.28`	`ckknight`	`yes`
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`07:58.13`	`*** topic/##ace by Tem -> www.wowace.com \| ace.pastebin.com \| #wowace the new official channel.`
`07:58.35`	`*** topic/##ace by Tem -> We have moved to #wowace. Please join us there.`
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`15:20.48`	`Tem`	`did you break again?`
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`16:22.55`	`kergoth`	`cladhaire: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.lang.lua.general/21346/focus=21368 makes some good points,`
`16:27.49`	`kergoth`	`"- A class should be flexible, supporting 'mixins' (e.g. adding methods`
`16:27.49`	`kergoth`	`to the class after the class has been defined). Presently you seem to`
`16:27.51`	`kergoth`	`copy the parent(s) methods, preventing any class evolutions."`
`16:28.22`	`kergoth`	`a simple switch from an iteration method copy in the class constructor to an __index for method resolution would take care of that`
`16:28.39`	`kergoth`	`but if you truly want to support class evolutions at runtime, you wouldnt be able to memoize the methods..`
`16:30.39`	`Tem`	`kergoth: See the topic`
`16:30.52`	`Tem`	`and bring CIA-6 with you`
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`20:08.32`	`Kaelten`	`Notice: #wowace the new official channel`
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`20:10.56`	`kergoth`	`Kaelten: heh, too bad we never registered with chanserv, we couldve had him message people onjoin to the channel`
`20:10.58`	`kergoth`	`ah well`
`20:11.42`	`Kaelten`	`yep`
`20:11.50`	`Kaelten`	`we couldn't register because only ops can do that`
`20:12.34`	`kergoth`	`someone had ops once, long ago, but we didnt register before going offline`
`20:12.35`	`kergoth`	`heh`
`20:12.41`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`20:12.56`	`kergoth`	`we couldve cleared the chan, but thatd require all of us actually being awake at the same time`
`20:12.59`	`kergoth`	`good luck`
`20:13.01`	`kergoth`	`:)`
`20:13.06`	`Kaelten`	`hehe`
`20:13.09`	`Kaelten`	`and having purl leave`
`20:13.12`	`Kaelten`	`purl, leave`
`20:13.14`	`purl`	`i heard leave is what lazarus should do now`
`20:13.15`	`kergoth`	`thats the easy part`
`20:13.29`	`kergoth`	`just need to ask timriker`
`20:13.37`	`Kaelten`	`ya I've already sent him an email`
`20:14.03`	`kergoth`	`~botmail for timriker: have purl leave ##ace, we registered the group officially for #wowace now`
`20:14.12`	`kergoth`	`now he'll get that when he logs onto irc`
`20:14.16`	`Kaelten`	`ah cool`
`20:14.26`	`kergoth`	`unfortunately it doesnt ping you about botmail when you change nicks`
`20:14.29`	`kergoth`	`and i never go offline`
`20:14.37`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`20:14.37`	`kergoth`	`so it doesnt work for sending stuff to me generally :)`
`20:14.54`	`Kaelten`	`oh I still need to get that password for the svna gain`
`20:15.06`	`kergoth`	`yea i recovered it at home again`
`20:15.18`	`Kaelten`	`cool`
`20:15.22`	`Kaelten`	`pm it to me?`
`20:15.30`	`kergoth`	`i will when i'm home :P`
`20:15.44`	`Kaelten`	`bah`
`20:15.47`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`20:16.27`	`kergoth`	`course the gf is now at home, so actually using the computer to send it to you may be a challenge ;)`
`20:16.56`	`Kaelten`	`doh`
`20:16.58`	`Kaelten`	`you at work?`
`20:17.01`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`20:17.07`	`Kaelten`	`what kinda job you got anyway?`
`20:18.48`	`kergoth`	`qt/embedded c++ development on the land warrior project (google for it)`
`20:19.47`	`Kaelten`	`the military project?`
`20:24.31`	`kergoth`	`yep`
`20:25.11`	`Kaelten`	`cool`
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