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`02:43.27`	`*** join/##ace purl (i=ibot@pdpc/supporter/active/TimRiker/bot/apt)`
`02:43.27`	`*** topic/##ace is wowace.com \| ace.pastebin.com \| Do one thing every day, that scares the person you are stalking`
`02:43.32`	id`	`purl: !`
`02:43.36`	`purl`	`i heard ! is what my big sibling dpkg uses instead of ~, or not, or what dpkg uses dumbass`
`02:43.37`	`kergoth`	`~wb`
`02:43.39`	`purl`	`thx`
`02:43.39`	id`	`~botsnack`
`02:43.39`	`purl`	:), id`
`02:43.39`	`Tekkub`	`well I don't want just anybody futzing in my SVN on WoWI`
`02:43.45`	id`	`lol`
`02:43.55`	id`	`;O`
`02:43.55`	`Wobin_`	`I dunno, a community SVN requires a certain level of knowledge on theusers behalf`
`02:44.01`	`kergoth`	`Tekkub: you just need a community svn with access controls. groups for each project`
`02:44.01`	`Wobin_`	`~botsnack`
`02:44.01`	`purl`	`Wobin_: aw, gee`
`02:44.09`	`kergoth`	`Tekkub: so you can give write access to it if you want to work with someone else`
`02:44.11`	id`	`kergoth: was just going to say that`
`02:44.26`	`kergoth`	`~remulate`
`02:44.27`	`purl`	`One day I got caught with my hand down my pants at school, and I had to keep it there all week...What a week!`
`02:44.30`	id`	`god i love KC_I's coloring of items`
`02:44.32`	`Tekkub`	`yea sure that works :)`
`02:44.39`	id`	`yellow item is standard buyout :D`
`02:44.45`	`Wobin_`	`~x en zh fish meat fungus`
`02:44.49`	`Tekkub`	`then you've got your updater for anyone already using tort or some other prog`
`02:45.01`	id`	`i'm buying all linen cloth that i can get my hands on, selling for my own price`
`02:45.07`	id`	`lol`
`02:46.09`	`Cairenn`	`~wb`
`02:46.10`	`purl`	`It's great to be back!`
`02:46.29`	id`	`eventually ill make so much money that i can start to own the market on linen cloth`
`02:46.39`	id`	`not that its hard to come by`
`02:46.39`	id`	`:P`
`02:51.38`	`Wobin_`	`I've looked at it...`
`02:51.46`	`Wobin_`	`I'm not sure I want to buy it, despite my Gaiman love`
`02:52.06`	`kergoth`	`it seems .. different. i picked it up because i was amused by the anansi character in american gods`
`02:52.21`	`Wobin_`	`Yeah, I <3 American Gods`
`02:52.29`	`Wobin_`	`But I don't know if I can read another like it`
`02:52.39`	`Wobin_`	`It's a bit too much dark reality for me =)`
`02:52.42`	`kergoth`	`i love that story he tells when he's opening up for wednesday, about the monkey and the tiger and the spider`
`02:52.46`	`kergoth`	`funny shit`
`02:53.16`	`kergoth`	`heh, have you read Neverwhere?`
`02:54.02`	id`	`what is sulfursa hand or ragnaros worth?`
`02:54.16`	id`	`err, bop ofcource`
`02:56.20`	`Wobin_`	`hrm, no`
`02:58.39`	`kergoth`	`ooh, new hardcover edition of Good Omens is coming out`
`02:58.44`	`kergoth`	`that book is funny`
`02:58.55`	`Wobin_`	`I loved that book`
`02:59.00`	`Tekkub`	`god fucking damnit`
`02:59.08`	`Tekkub`	`my server just imploded`
`02:59.24`	`Cairenn`	`never good Tekkub`
`02:59.37`	`Tekkub`	`why does the world subscribe to this assenine (sp?) notion that everyone should all work or play or whatever at the same time?`
`02:59.45`	`Tekkub`	`it just cause congestion`
`03:00.02`	`*** join/##ace Kaelten (n=Kaelten@68.63.3.183)`
`03:00.03`	`Tekkub`	`on the roads, on the net, at the resturants, at the store`
`03:00.10`	`Tekkub`	`it's retarded`
`03:00.14`	`Tekkub`	`I hate humans`
`03:00.28`	`Kaelten`	`I am not retarted! I'm . just . challenged.... or something`
`03:00.39`	`Tekkub`	`growl`
`03:00.42`	id`	`haha K`
`03:00.46`	`Cairenn`	`hey Kaelten :)`
`03:01.23`	`Kaelten`	`hello guys`
`03:02.13`	id`	`'No Bids' makes me a sad pandaren`
`03:03.52`	`Tekkub`	`why cair? you got no nuts to kick`
`03:04.31`	`Tekkub`	`you take me for a stupid Plainstrinder? I should kick you again`
`03:04.39`	`Tekkub`	`:P`
`03:04.51`	`Tekkub`	`I bet you taunt in PvP!`
`03:04.59`	`Kaelten`	`pvp?`
`03:05.10`	`Tekkub`	`sigh`
`03:05.19`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`03:19.41`	`Tekkub`	`http://cad-comic.com/comic.php?d=20060218`
`03:19.46`	`Tekkub`	`[Orcish] kek`
`03:21.37`	`kergoth`	`hah`
`03:22.30`	`Tekkub`	`sounds to me like he's planning to make Selbina Butter`
`03:22.41`	`Tekkub`	`then Baked Popatoes`
`03:22.49`	`Tekkub`	`that was a great way to level cooking`
`03:24.44`	`Tekkub`	`When did our idea/request forum become a place for every coding-inept person to submit their stupid ideas that either cannot be done or have already been done 5 times over elsewhere?`
`03:25.07`	`Wobin_`	`When BossPanel opened for discussion =P`
`03:25.37`	`Tekkub`	`"I want a mod that shows what's targeting me" "I want to know when I have new minimap dots!" "Write our DKP system for us!"`
`03:25.52`	`Tekkub`	`it's not even Boss-ish stuff`
`03:26.11`	`Wobin_`	`tbh, I'd love to be able to see new minimap dots =P`
`03:28.25`	`Kaelten`	`I'm wondering why everytime I turn around I update BossPanel and then things break`
`03:28.49`	`Tekkub`	`cause Boss is great at adding bugs`
`03:29.08`	`Kaelten`	`but I read he was a great coder`
`03:29.16`	`Tekkub`	`honestly the first one or two where the most stable versions for me :)`
`03:29.18`	`Kaelten`	`self taught master or some such.`
`03:29.33`	`Tekkub`	`yea that was him spreading rumors`
`03:29.44`	`Kaelten`	`hehe`
`03:29.53`	`Cairenn`	`well, he's got the attitude to match`
`03:29.54`	`Tekkub`	`but unlike some people he's actually released his Titan replacement`
`03:30.01`	`Tekkub`	`and updates a lot`
`03:30.05`	`Kaelten`	`heh, its on my todo list`
`03:30.06`	`Tekkub`	`yea Cair, I know`
`03:30.11`	`Kaelten`	`right after solve world hunger`
`03:30.15`	`Tekkub`	`he hates my coding style`
`03:30.22`	`Tekkub`	`and tells me constantly`
`03:30.25`	`Wobin_`	`I just had a flashback to "And unlike -some- Robin Hoods, -I- have an English accent!"`
`03:30.26`	`Kaelten`	`I hate his coding style`
`03:30.38`	`Cairenn`	`Wobin_: ROFL`
`03:30.47`	`Tekkub`	`I hate unneeded code like his accessors`
`03:31.01`	`Wobin_`	`It's a very... oo approach`
`03:31.06`	`Tekkub`	`yea, I agree they are good, in a language that can hide variables in a class`
`03:31.19`	`Wobin_`	`technically you can in lua`
`03:31.20`	`kergoth`	`lua can, if you decide to do so`
`03:31.24`	`kergoth`	`__index is our friend`
`03:31.27`	`Tekkub`	`but lua doesn't, so they're very much a waste of time in your own code`
`03:31.34`	`kergoth`	`haha, i love the dedication to anansi boys`
`03:31.36`	`kergoth`	`Wobin_: http://pastebin.com/562173`
`03:32.10`	`Wobin_`	`Brilliant =)`
`03:32.32`	`Wobin_`	`I should resubscribe to his LJ`
`03:32.37`	`Wobin_`	`he always writes amusing stuff`
`03:34.39`	`Kaelten`	`what does he hate about your coding style tekk?`
`03:35.52`	`Tekkub`	`that I condese small if blocks onto one line`
`03:36.23`	`Wobin_`	`as long as it doesn't go past a line, that's still readable...`
`03:36.34`	`Tekkub`	`probably hates that I write my toggle func to never use false, always nil`
`03:37.50`	`Tekkub`	`he hates when I tell people not to write useless accessor methods and just use self.varname`
`03:38.07`	`Tekkub`	`sorry but accessors are only useful in an API like in PT`
`03:38.14`	`Tekkub`	`(in lua)`
`03:38.31`	`Tekkub`	`(unless you use metetables like kerg pointed out)`
`03:38.37`	`Tekkub`	`((which I dont))`
`03:38.45`	`Tekkub`	`(((but I should learn how)))`
`03:38.55`	`Wobin_`	`((((Cause the're great)))`
`03:38.55`	`kergoth`	`also, in lua, you can easily flipflop the behavior, making direct self.varname accesses go through an accessor`
`03:39.12`	`Wobin_`	`__index is your friend =)`
`03:39.16`	`kergoth`	`yeap`
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`03:41.35`	`*** topic/##ace is wowace.com \| ace.pastebin.com \| Do one thing every day, that scares the person you are stalking`
`03:41.54`	`Cairenn`	`just make sure you use his naming convention :p`
`03:42.04`	`Kaelten`	`heh`
`03:42.10`	`Wobin_`	`~wb`
`03:42.12`	`purl`	`It's great to be back!`
`03:42.40`	`kergoth`	`~remulate`
`03:42.41`	`purl`	`Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know, a pestilence here, a plague there. Omnipotence. Gotta get me some of that.`
`03:44.42`	`Kaelten`	`bosspanel is starting to annoy me though`
`03:44.55`	`Wobin_`	`how's that?`
`03:45.16`	`Kaelten`	`the updates constantly flushing out all the options and all the non boss written addons breaking everytime`
`03:45.48`	`Wobin_`	`I think Boss needs to outline what changes he makes or is planning to make`
`03:45.50`	`Cairenn`	`it's not even beta, which is 3/4 of the problem ... the rate he's changing things, it's still alpha`
`03:46.00`	`Kaelten`	`heh`
`03:46.06`	`Wobin_`	`So that the other authors can prepare at least`
`03:46.12`	`Cairenn`	`or maybe even so far back as pre-alpha :p`
`03:46.34`	`Cairenn`	`meh, makes no diff to me, I won't use it`
`03:46.35`	`Kaelten`	`hehe, KC_I .94 is on the verge of being a beta quality`
`03:46.51`	`Cairenn`	`I'll wait until someone else makes a replacement, just keep using Bhaldie in the meantime`
`03:46.52`	`kergoth`	`yep, you cant exactly expect a frozen api or a solid timeline that early in the development process`
`03:48.14`	`Wobin_`	`well technically, he could outline what changes he's going to make to the api, even if it's not frozen`
`03:48.32`	`kergoth`	`no, he's develping too fast. by the time he knows what he's going to do, he's done and releasing it`
`03:48.48`	`kergoth`	`you're assuming a sufficient amount of time between design and implementation`
`03:48.55`	`Wobin_`	`hm I guess...`
`03:48.58`	`kergoth`	`which doesnt seem to be the case just now`
`03:49.04`	`kergoth`	`i expect itll slow down at some point here`
`03:49.10`	`Wobin_`	`oh well, I guess we wait til things settle down =)`
`03:49.19`	`kergoth`	`or just pester him on irc as he's developing`
`03:49.30`	`kergoth`	`poke what are you adding now?`
`03:49.32`	`kergoth`	`or similar`
`03:49.49`	`Tekkub`	`Frankly, I would prefer Kael's bar... but he's a slow fucker`
`03:50.19`	`Tekkub`	`I'm tired of Titan and I'm tired of waiting for Kael :P`
`03:53.27`	`Kaelten`	`hehe`
`03:53.33`	`Kaelten`	`so I'm still expected to make acebar!`
`03:53.38`	`Kaelten`	`lol`
`03:54.02`	`Kaelten`	`sunza bitc....`
`03:54.07`	`Kaelten`	`gues sI'll get to it soon.`
`03:54.13`	`Cairenn`	`well, there's TitAin, and I know Tem is still talking about one :p`
`03:54.20`	`Cairenn`	`so work together already, sheesh :p`
`03:54.27`	`Wobin_`	`Ain?`
`03:54.28`	`Kaelten`	`but not before KCI .94 is done`
`03:54.33`	`Wobin_`	`Oh Tain`
`03:54.39`	`Cairenn`	`Wobin_: yep`
`04:00.36`	`kergoth`	`hehe, http://www.jinx.com/scripts/details.asp?affid=-1&productID=534`
`04:05.28`	`Tekkub`	`Cair: we could work together if he'd flesh out the basic shit and put it on the SVN`
`04:12.54`	`Cairenn`	`which one? Tain? Tem? Boss? Kael? :p`
`04:13.08`	`Tekkub`	`Kael`
`04:13.38`	`Cairenn`	`There go you Kaelten, flesh out the basic shit and put it on the SVN, then the others can help you :p`
`04:13.45`	`Tekkub`	`yea bitch`
`04:13.52`	`Cairenn`	`;)`
`04:13.56`	`Tekkub`	`and don't name it AceBar`
`04:14.26`	`Wobin_`	`What would be a good name?`
`04:14.49`	`Cairenn`	`and DO do something to make it unique, so it isn't just another same 'ol same 'ol`
`04:16.39`	`Wobin_`	`It is, at heart, a utility mod...`
`04:16.47`	`Wobin_`	`Maybe have dancing elephants or something`
`04:17.50`	`Tekkub`	`We already went over names in the past`
`04:18.04`	`Tekkub`	`it was either BarTab or FuBar`
`04:18.15`	`Cairenn`	`oh I like Fubar :p`
`04:18.32`	`kergoth`	`how about openbar?`
`04:18.38`	`Tekkub`	`yea then the plugins would be Clock-fu, Money-fu etc`
`04:18.39`	`kergoth`	`just make sure its open source`
`04:18.50`	`Tekkub`	`that's not creative you're fired`
`04:18.54`	`kergoth`	`aww`
`04:19.10`	`Cairenn`	`snafu could be for the plugins`
`04:19.41`	`Tekkub`	`Taskbar!`
`04:19.45`	`Tekkub`	`duck`
`04:21.00`	`Tekkub`	`AceHole`
`04:21.06`	`Tekkub`	`ugh, I dunno`
`04:21.09`	`kergoth`	`hehe`
`04:21.26`	`Tekkub`	`all I know is Boss is filling the gap for the time being`
`04:21.52`	`Tekkub`	`I'm a flighty fucker, someone do it better or use the SVN heavily and I'll be all over dat shit`
`04:23.04`	`Wobin_`	`What's wrong with the current application of BossBar, apart from the instabililty due to it's alphastatus?`
`04:23.35`	`Tekkub`	`uh, I dunno, it's kinda a compounding of a few things`
`04:23.59`	`Cairenn`	`speaking strictly for myself - the attitude of the author`
`04:24.05`	`Tekkub`	`his programming style, it's constant brokenness, and his bit of attitude towards others that don't fit his coding standards`
`04:24.07`	`Cairenn`	`I will not use it`
`04:24.58`	`Tekkub`	`good example of the "attitude" http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=54&a=viewfeature&featureid=150`
`04:25.30`	`Tekkub`	`http://www.wowinterface.com/portal.php?id=54&a=viewbug&bugid=177`
`04:25.37`	`Tekkub`	`also related to the same feature`
`04:25.39`	`Kaelten`	`ok I'm back`
`04:25.57`	`Cairenn`	`wb Kael`
`04:26.38`	`Wobin_`	`huh`
`04:27.59`	`Kaelten`	`why the hell do I have an itemID on all my items now.`
`04:29.23`	`Cairenn`	`Wobin_: those are minor examples`
`04:29.28`	`Cairenn`	`I can give you lots more`
`04:30.25`	`Cairenn`	`I think one of the things that annoys the hell out of me is when folks are trying to point things out to him, and he (at minimum) disregards ... after all, what the hell do the rst of us know?`
`04:30.28`	`Cairenn`	`rest*`
`04:32.13`	`Kaelten`	`I'm sorry Cair I'll try to listen more`
`04:32.14`	`Tekkub`	`yarr`
`04:32.26`	`Cairenn`	`not you Kael :p`
`04:33.24`	`Tekkub`	`I love how he always asks what my version adds over his, and half the time it's "mine doesn't flood you with useless data`
`04:33.47`	`Tekkub`	`I don't care about XP/hour or time to level, I just want a simple percent!`
`04:34.11`	`kergoth`	`heh, i use xpstatus if i want the fancy details anyway. a minimal one is useful`
`04:35.57`	`Tekkub`	`well since my server is fucked over I'm gonna go make food and watch TV`
`04:36.03`	`Tekkub`	`I hate weekend prime time`
`04:36.05`	`Cairenn`	`have a good one Tekkub`
`04:36.20`	`Tekkub`	`and blizzy needs a lot more new servers, the "low pop" one are all in queue too`
`04:36.38`	`Tekkub`	`and the new ones are in 500-deep queues`
`04:37.28`	`Wobin_`	`Was speaking to a Blizzard employee`
`04:37.40`	`Wobin_`	`Apparantly they have a whole passel of new servers to put out`
`04:38.14`	`Cairenn`	`Wobin_: oh really? not what I've heard ...`
`04:39.31`	`Wobin_`	`I could have misinterpreted though =) (intergossip) Salius@Elanathia: There are actually about 20 realms that aren't live yet.`
`04:39.37`	`Tekkub`	`good, they need a whole nother farm worth IMCO`
`04:41.39`	`Tekkub`	`hrm... I just had to say I was leaving and they bring it back up`
`04:44.42`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`04:49.21`	`Cairenn`	`lalala`
`04:49.46`	`Tekkub`	`ugh it's still fucked up`
`04:49.49`	`Tekkub`	`<PROTECTED>`
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`05:42.18`	`kergoth`	`"Was that you singing?" "I'm afraid so." "What were you singing? It was pretty." "I'm not sure. I wasn't listening."`
`05:53.39`	`Wobin_`	`I have to say, Neil Gaiman has a very abrupt style of dialouge`
`05:54.56`	`Wobin_`	`There's hardly ever any adjectives added to the structure`
`05:55.17`	`Wobin_`	`Like: "spoke sadly" or "exclaimed happily"`
`05:55.30`	`Wobin_`	`he always makes the speech itself say how it's spoken`
`05:55.58`	`kergoth`	`yeah, i like that. isnt so artificial`
`05:56.08`	`kergoth`	`hmm`
`06:11.41`	`Tain`	`I wonder if I'm a multi-millionaire right now.`
`06:23.40`	`Jarenthal`	`...Huh.`
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`10:25.24`	`oxman_`	`hi`
`10:31.29`	`Wobin_`	`'lo`
`10:43.14`	`oxman_`	`could you help me ? :)`
`10:47.58`	`Wobin_`	`Whatcha need?`
`10:49.33`	`oxman_`	`ACEG_MAP_METHOD = {`
`10:49.34`	`oxman_`	`["say"] = "\|cffffffffsay\|r",`
`10:49.34`	`oxman_`	`["yell"] = "\|cffff4040yell\|r",`
`10:49.34`	`oxman_`	`["whisper"] = "\|cffff7fffwhisper\|r",`
`10:49.34`	`oxman_`	`["party"] = "\|cffa8a8ffparty\|r",`
`10:49.34`	`oxman_`	`["raid"] = "\|cffff7f00raid\|r"`
`10:49.37`	`oxman_`	`}`
`10:49.40`	`oxman_`	`i use a map, ok ?`
`10:50.16`	`oxman_`	`my value is one of this array, but sometimes is a channel name, when it's a channel name, the :report function don't show the value of the channel, because it's not in the map array`
`10:50.20`	`oxman_`	`how i can solve that ?`
`10:51.10`	`Wobin_`	`Well... depending on how hardcore you want to get, you could use metatables to return a default value for non-indexed calls`
`10:52.13`	`oxman_`	`i don't want a default value`
`10:52.22`	`oxman_`	`i know i can use MAP[0] = defaultvalue`
`10:52.40`	`oxman_`	`but if i use that, i will never see the channel name`
`10:53.18`	`Wobin_`	`er no. I mean if the table doesn't have the value you want ie the channel name, it will return a default value`
`10:53.41`	`oxman_`	`i don't understand`
`10:54.18`	`Wobin_`	`Have a look here http://www.lua.org/pil/13.4.3.html`
`10:54.40`	`Wobin_`	`if you set the function in that page to something like function(t) return "`
`10:54.59`	`Wobin_`	`"\|cffff7f00"..t.."\|r"`
`10:55.08`	`Wobin_`	`then it'll return the channel name with a default colouring`
`10:55.13`	`oxman_`	`hum ok, i look`
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`11:05.42`	`oxman_`	`hum Wobin_`
`11:05.50`	`oxman_`	`it's work fine to replace default value (nil) to an other`
`11:06.02`	`oxman_`	`but i don't know how replace by the key value`
`11:07.30`	`Wobin_`	`I'm not sure what you're asking`
`11:07.42`	`oxman_`	`if i call MAP["bidule"]`
`11:07.45`	`oxman_`	`before it's return nil`
`11:07.53`	`oxman_`	`no it's return 0 (or what i want)`
`11:07.57`	`Wobin_`	`yeah`
`11:07.58`	`oxman_`	`but when i call MAP["bidule"]`
`11:08.04`	`Wobin_`	`And what did you want it to return?`
`11:08.07`	`oxman_`	`i want return "bidule" if the key isn't found`
`11:08.26`	`Wobin_`	`so local mt = {__index = function (d) return d end}`
`11:08.34`	`Wobin_`	`setmetatable(t, mt)`
`11:08.58`	`oxman_`	`i use that`
`11:09.04`	`oxman_`	`but after you must do that :`
`11:09.10`	`oxman_`	`setDefault(ACEG_MAP_METHOD, 0)`
`11:09.15`	`oxman_`	`where 0 is the new default value`
`11:09.24`	`Wobin_`	`er no you don't =)`
`11:09.29`	`Wobin_`	`re-read the page`
`11:09.54`	`Wobin_`	`If you do that code in a function that's called anywhere you don't have to follow the exact code`
`11:10.13`	`Wobin_`	`You're not replacing the default with a number, you're replacing the default with a function call`
`11:10.35`	`oxman_`	`yep i see that`
`11:10.46`	`oxman_`	`but where's the key arg in the function ?`
`11:10.52`	`oxman_`	`if i know that, i can solve my problem :)`
`11:11.02`	`Wobin_`	`local mt = {__index = function(d) return d end}`
`11:11.13`	`Wobin_`	`setmetatable(ACEG_MAP_METHOD, mt)`
`11:11.23`	`Wobin_`	`d is the key arg`
`11:11.30`	`Wobin_`	`or whatever you make the function to be`
`11:12.04`	`oxman_`	`local mt = {__index = function (d) return d end}`
`11:12.04`	`oxman_`	`setmetatable(ACEG_MAP_METHOD, mt)`
`11:12.08`	`oxman_`	`this don't work`
`11:12.35`	`oxman_`	`"acechatcmd.lua 50: bad argument #3 to format (string expected, got table)"`
`11:13.40`	`Wobin_`	`I think you should paste your code in the pastebin so we can look at it... ace.pastebin.com`
`11:14.17`	`oxman_`	`http://pastebin.com/562493`
`11:14.46`	`oxman_`	`the arg d, seems the table, not the key`
`11:15.09`	`oxman_`	`hey hey`
`11:15.10`	`oxman_`	`i've found`
`11:15.11`	`oxman_`	`thanks a lot :)`
`11:15.13`	`Wobin_`	`Is ACEG_MAP_METHOD defined earlier?`
`11:15.16`	`oxman_`	`local mt = {__index = function (t, d) return d end}`
`11:15.17`	`oxman_`	`setmetatable(ACEG_MAP_METHOD, mt)`
`11:15.18`	`oxman_`	`:)`
`11:17.05`	`oxman_`	`it's awesome i like that`
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`11:17.19`	`oxman_`	`thanks a lot, really`
`11:17.44`	`Wobin_`	`hehe np =)`
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`14:33.23`	`ckknight`	`hey all`
`14:34.21`	`Wobin_`	`'lo`
`14:34.24`	`[MoonWolf]`	`hey ckknight`
`14:37.47`	`ckknight`	`how's everyone doing?`
`14:38.21`	`Wobin_`	`re-installing WoW =)`
`14:38.47`	`ckknight`	`I defragged my harddrive, and seriously, my framerates show up by 15`
`14:38.56`	`ckknight`	`I was 40% fragmented`
`14:39.00`	id`	`o_O`
`14:39.04`	`ckknight`	`now I'm at like 0.01%`
`14:39.20`	`ckknight`	`also, I used O&O Defrag, not Windows' builtin`
`14:39.33`	`Wobin_`	`O&O?`
`14:40.33`	`ckknight`	`http://www.oo-software.com/en/index.html`
`14:40.47`	`ckknight`	`it costs money, but you can get it off of bittorrent just as easily`
`14:42.36`	`Wobin_`	`what makes it better than the windows standard?`
`14:43.30`	`ckknight`	`Windows typically leaves it at 2% fragmented at the end, O&O is always less than .1%`
`14:43.32`	`ckknight`	`and it's faster`
`14:43.35`	`ckknight`	`etc.`
`14:56.33`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Looks like mendeleev chat commands now are good enough to be released to the public.`
`14:59.55`	`Jarenthal`	`I should look into those.`
`15:00.31`	`Jarenthal`	`I mean, I have mendeleev; it stands to reason.`
`15:02.32`	`Jarenthal`	`Incidentally...do AUF and minigroup2 have a known problem with updating the target frame health bar or anything?`
`15:03.25`	`Jarenthal`	`don't answer that right away, I have to reboot, my DVD drive is having a fit`
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`15:07.21`	`Tekkub`	`okey Boss, I'm going to put this as gently as possible`
`15:07.46`	id`	`WAIT!`
`15:07.50`	id`	`before you do`
`15:08.02`	`Tekkub`	`quit resetting my preferences after every single update, I'm getting really fucking sick of recofiguring my bar every goddamn day`
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`15:08.26`	id`	`Stop with the 'this and thats wrong', start developing WITH boss on it`
`15:08.32`	id`	`thats the problems of addons`
`15:08.36`	id`	`its all one man projects`
`15:08.40`	id`	`Bad Thing (TM)`
`15:08.49`	`Tekkub`	`indie, shut up and go away`
`15:09.01`	id`	`Scuse me? I'm serious`
`15:09.52`	`ckknight`	`Tekkub, there's a reason I do it`
`15:10.15`	`ckknight`	`btw, in the next version, I'm including average durability`
`15:10.38`	`Tekkub`	`Yea and there's plenty of reasons NOT to`
`15:10.41`	`ckknight`	`you know that this is beta version software`
`15:10.54`	`ckknight`	`if you'd prefer to wait until it comes out of beta, that's fine with me`
`15:11.04`	`ckknight`	`it won't reset your preferences then`
`15:11.18`	`Tekkub`	`yea and you know I've never used a piece of software that indiscriminatly erases all it's setting after every minor update`
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`15:11.41`	`Tekkub`	`in fact most software I've used does everything in it's power to preserve and convert old setting`
`15:11.57`	`ckknight`	`as I said, it's still beta`
`15:12.00`	`Tekkub`	`and only wipes setting when absolutly necessary, and tells the user before it does`
`15:12.15`	`Tekkub`	`I've used a lot of beta software boss`
`15:12.28`	`Tekkub`	`in fact the majority of mine is anymore it seems`
`15:13.08`	`ckknight`	`honestly, I'm very close to coming out of beta, so it won't be long`
`15:13.28`	`ckknight`	`so just cool off and wait for that if you want`
`15:14.51`	id`	`Tekkub: i ignored you`
`15:15.04`	`Jarenthal`	`Dude, Cassidy Johnson (I think that's her name) is cute.`
`15:15.08`	id`	`Tekkub: so if you are replying now i cant see it`
`15:15.22`	id`	`there, unignored`
`15:15.58`	`oxman_`	`:)`
`15:16.05`	id`	`http://pastebin.com/562656`
`15:16.14`	id`	`anyone care to elaborate on this? :P`
`15:16.56`	`Jarenthal`	`I do`
`15:17.31`	id`	`Well, see any clumsy things?`
`15:17.42`	id`	`thinking of changing 'enter' to 't'`
`15:18.20`	`ckknight`	`I like enter to talk`
`15:18.31`	id`	`yea but its way on the other side`
`15:18.46`	`ckknight`	`if I talk, I use both hands anyway`
`15:19.19`	`Jarenthal`	`I may actually switch to T myself. That's what it is un Unreal Tournament.`
`15:19.47`	`Jarenthal`	`But then I'd have to change the tab key to be either /p, /g, or /5.`
`15:20.05`	`Jarenthal`	`or rather to be equivalent thereunto.`
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`15:23.25`	`Jarenthal`	`I'm still trying to figure out why with minigroup2 or any AUF frames I've tried my target's life bar seems to be horribly misrepresented...not sure if I've set something up poorly or what...I need that bar to be accurate to know when to break my stunlocks.`
`15:24.16`	id`	`screenshot?`
`15:24.28`	`Jarenthal`	`That would have been a good idea`
`15:24.35`	`Wobin_`	`anyone know where I can get the torrent of the 1.9 complete patch?`
`15:25.09`	`Jarenthal`	`but all the time I've been playing since I noticed the problem I've been in Scarlet Monastery with MG2 set up to use the default Blizzard target frame`
`15:26.17`	`Jarenthal`	`I'll try to get a screenshot later, but I'm not sure how informative it will be...I have the vague impression that the bar is essentially acting as if the mob has about twice as much HP as it really does; it decreases, just too slowly and then things die at 40-45%.`
`15:27.35`	id`	`well tbh MG2 is a bit weird :)`
`15:29.25`	`Jarenthal`	`Granted`
`15:31.21`	`Jarenthal`	`I'm trying to figure out whether it's a bug that if you try to have it use the 10 buffs-10 debuffs 2-row setting for the party members and dock them underneath or above it puts them over top of the other units but if you use most of the single-row settings or even the two-row "smart" setting it expands each unit to make room.`
`15:31.58`	`Jarenthal`	`I'll probably post and ask whether that's how it's supposed to work sometime later.`
`15:34.10`	`ckknight`	`Jarenthal, dock inside`
`15:34.33`	`Jarenthal`	`That puts them cospatial with the unit's name.`
`15:35.04`	`ckknight`	`ah, I dunno then`
`15:42.49`	`Wobin_`	`bah, I'd rail at the fact that I wanted it to download faster, but I'm already going at 60k/s`
`15:53.53`	`ckknight`	`is there any way to do a table join in WoW?`
`15:54.05`	`ckknight`	`i.e. I have a bunch of strings in a table, I want to join them by spaces`
`15:54.36`	`Wobin_`	`sort of a table to string function?`
`15:54.49`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`15:55.02`	`Wobin_`	`Nothing in LUA that would do it directly afaik`
`15:55.15`	`ckknight`	`grr`
`15:55.21`	`Wobin_`	`A foreach or similar to append would work though`
`15:55.56`	`ckknight`	`hrm`
`15:56.04`	`ckknight`	`I'm revamping the Experience plugin`
`15:56.14`	`ckknight`	`so you can show or hide specifically what you want and don't want`
`15:56.19`	`Wobin_`	`have a look here http://www.lua.org/pil/11.6.html`
`15:56.54`	`Wobin_`	`hrm, table.concat =)`
`15:57.34`	`Wobin_`	`That'll do it`
`15:57.41`	`Wobin_`	`table.concat (table [, sep [, i [, j]]])`
`15:57.42`	`Wobin_`	`Returns table[i]..sep..table[i+1] ... sep..table[j]. The default value for sep is the empty string, the default for i is 1, and the default for j is the size of the table. If i is greater than j, returns the empty string.`
`15:58.27`	`ckknight`	`neat`
`15:58.56`	`ckknight`	`exactly what I was looking for`
`16:01.23`	`Jarenthal`	`I'm interested in being able to look at my DPS, damage dealt breakdown by party member, crit %, and crit damage record easily. Any suggestions ragarding what mod/s to use? I am probably going to want DPS i/o, at most, to be shown at all times and most of the info only there when I look for it, if that matters.`
`16:01.52`	`Wobin_`	`damagemeters?`
`16:02.03`	`Wobin_`	`I don't think that covers crits quite as well though`
`16:03.27`	`Jarenthal`	`I was looking at Recap...not sure what I think of it...`
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`16:05.38`	`Jarenthal`	`Is crit % actually a calculable formula? I mean could I (or perhaps a mod) look at my stats, talents, and gear and actually calculate my theoretical crit%, maybe even broken down by different attacks that have increased crit chances, or should I not bother trying to figure that one out?`
`16:06.16`	`Wobin_`	`Isn't crit already calculated?`
`16:06.18`	`Jarenthal`	`More succinctly: Is it a known formula?`
`16:06.29`	`Jarenthal`	`Is it? I don't know how to find mine out.`
`16:06.32`	`ckknight`	`check it out on wowwiki`
`16:06.33`	`Wobin_`	`lemme check`
`16:06.36`	`Wobin_`	`it'll be on there`
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`16:07.49`	`Jarenthal`	`ah, ok, I just didn't know where to look.`
`16:08.49`	`Jarenthal`	`Looks like recap may be what I'm looking for`
`16:09.12`	`Wobin_`	`http://www.wowwiki.com/Formulas:Critical_hit_chance`
`16:09.13`	`Wobin_`	`btw`
`16:09.17`	`ckknight`	`it's too bloated, Jarenthal`
`16:09.20`	`ckknight`	`to the extreme`
`16:09.29`	`Jarenthal`	`ok.`
`16:09.38`	`Jarenthal`	`Got a better suggestion?`
`16:09.52`	`Wobin_`	`It's hard to find an unbloated one for that thing =(`
`16:10.02`	`Wobin_`	`Since all it is is absorbing the combat log`
`16:10.09`	`Jarenthal`	`yeah`
`16:10.35`	`Wobin_`	`71%!`
`16:10.45`	`Wobin_`	`so very tired =P`
`16:11.21`	`[MoonWolf]`	`recap is the only addon i have that want to keep no matter how bloated it is.`
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`16:12.27`	`Jarenthal`	`I wonder if I could add a chat window and filter so that only critical hit reports are sent to it`
`16:13.20`	`Jarenthal`	`I'm gonna try Recap`
`16:13.27`	`Jarenthal`	`I can always drop it later after all`
`16:14.53`	`Wobin_`	`Use the Unit_Combat event`
`16:15.00`	`Wobin_`	`since it'll tell you if the strike is critical or not`
`16:15.02`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Tekkub, are you available ?`
`16:17.47`	id`	`hes asleep`
`16:18.15`	`[MoonWolf]`	`damnit`
`16:18.50`	`[MoonWolf]`	`anyway, Mendeleev with chat commands is now on the svn, I would like someone to look it over in game before i release it.`
`16:40.23`	`Wobin_`	`meh. O&O defragger doesn't come up with anything for me =(`
`16:40.44`	`ckknight`	`so you're defragged, then?`
`16:41.07`	`Wobin_`	`well, it doesn't even come up with any sort of listing of drive to defrag`
`16:41.29`	`ckknight`	`weird`
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`17:37.42`	`ckknight`	`alright, I posted updated plugins`
`17:45.31`	`kergoth`	`mornings are the devil`
`17:46.34`	`[MoonWolf]`	`indeed`
`17:48.47`	`ckknight`	`I don't mind em`
`17:52.03`	`kergoth`	`~mornings`
`17:52.05`	`purl`	`Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/)`
`17:54.04`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Time to go release the mendeleev chat commands to the public at large.`
`17:56.09`	`[MoonWolf]`	`wait, i need to set up some default to begin with.`
`17:56.11`	`[MoonWolf]`	`damnit`
`18:08.58`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Updating svn trunk.`
`18:10.14`	`Tain`	`"Typos are very important to all written form. It gives the reader something to look for so they aren't distracted by the total lack of content in your writing."`
`18:10.24`	`Cairenn`	`lol`
`18:10.34`	`[MoonWolf]`	`lol`
`18:11.50`	`Tain`	`That is a wise, wise man.`
`18:17.52`	`[MoonWolf]`	`For the king, for the land for the mountains!`
`18:20.23`	`[MoonWolf]`	`aqua teen hunger force FTW, A LOT!`
`18:22.47`	`Tain`	`Meatwad get the honeys, see`
`18:33.16`	`[MoonWolf]`	`Alrighty, mendeleev with chat command is now up and around.`
`19:38.42`	id`	`< [MoonWolf]> For the king, for the land for the mountains!`
`19:38.54`	id`	`rhapsody - emerald sword`
`19:39.00`	id`	`i own! didnt google`
`19:39.00`	id`	`:)`
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`20:09.43`	id`	`7k ah profit today`
`20:09.57`	id`	`<3 kci`
`20:11.29`	`Codayus`	`Really? Hmm`
`20:11.34`	`Codayus`	`How?`
`20:13.47`	id`	`how?`
`20:13.49`	id`	`easy`
`20:13.55`	id`	`make a new char`
`20:14.02`	id`	`fight till lv 5`
`20:14.11`	id`	`run to the main city`
`20:14.30`	id`	`transfer ALL greens and linen and wool and silk and etcetc to that char`
`20:14.36`	id`	`keep your main out of the city`
`20:14.48`	id`	`need to buy something? use your alt and mail`
`20:15.01`	id`	`get the alt to learn enchanting`
`20:15.05`	id`	`KACHING`
`20:15.20`	id`	`btw, get herbalism and skinning for your main`
`20:15.32`	`ckknight`	`why keep your main out of the city?`
`20:15.37`	`Codayus`	`What does that have to do with kci?`
`20:15.59`	id`	`Codayus: to help me auction at the right price, and to spot bargains and sell em higher`
`20:16.25`	id`	`ckknight: because youll be OR leveling your main OR getting money with your AH char`
`20:17.10`	`ckknight`	`and you'll be D/Eing the greens you get?`
`20:17.33`	id`	`mail it to the AH char`
`20:17.39`	`ckknight`	`yea`
`20:17.49`	`ckknight`	`who then D/Es them?`
`20:18.04`	id`	`oh, the AH char if they dont sell on the ah or are crap`
`20:18.41`	`ckknight`	`okay`
`20:19.27`	`ckknight`	`my main has skinning/mining`
`20:20.35`	id`	`also ok`
`20:23.20`	`Tain`	`Yeesh what's wrong with me, I just realized I never gave my main AH mule enchanting when I was using him.`
`20:25.06`	id`	`:P`
`20:26.51`	`ckknight`	`my main is too low`
`20:27.01`	`ckknight`	`:-(`
`20:28.58`	`Tain`	`Oh yeah, there is that.`
`20:29.25`	`Tain`	`I liked games that let you level trade skills completely independantly of character level.`
`20:29.45`	`Cairenn`	`(omg, I am so not saying anything - other channel)`
`20:30.15`	`Tain`	`Didn't look, won't look.`
`20:30.27`	`Cairenn`	`don't`
`20:30.31`	`Cairenn`	`rofl`
`20:31.00`	`ckknight`	`I wanna see`
`20:31.18`	`ckknight`	`what happened?`
`20:31.37`	`Cairenn`	`http://davidcramer.net/gallery.php?do=viewimage&id=102`
`20:31.51`	`Cairenn`	`zeeg: look at that sexy beast`
`20:31.52`	`Cairenn`	`zeeg: :P`
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`20:40.05`	`ckknight`	`Cairenn, please, that pic isn't bad`
`20:40.14`	`ckknight`	`I was expecting something lemonpartyesque`
`21:40.10`	id`	`Cairenn: haha :p`
`21:40.27`	id`	`Ok that's it. I'm sick of it. I'm going to make idSetup :P`
`21:40.42`	id`	`and im going to put all little scripts and tweaks and setups i want in there`
`21:43.22`	id`	`whee another 4G profit`
`21:43.28`	id`	`12g today, im on a roll \o`
`21:43.30`	id`	`\o/`
`21:43.43`	id`	`(i only have like lv 20 chars :P)`
`21:44.05`	id`	`ill get 400g faster then ill get to lv 40 :\|`
`22:00.06`	id`	`kergoth: you around?`
`22:00.13`	id`	`Tekkub: you around?`
`22:31.19`	`Tain`	`Dave isn't here man.`
`22:34.36`	id`	`I noticed :p`
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`22:49.38`	`ckknight`	`lousy cables`
`22:50.00`	`ckknight`	`id, teach me your ways of making lots of money`
`22:50.05`	`ckknight`	`I like money`
`22:52.20`	`cladhaire`	`Why can I not get alpha transparency to work in Photoshop 7.0`
`22:52.24`	`cladhaire`	`everytime I think I have it.. NOTHING`
`22:52.34`	`ckknight`	`I don't like Photoshop`
`22:53.02`	`Tain`	`There's a few wyas, ckknight. Auction House brokering, resource gathering, or playerauctions.com`
`22:53.03`	id`	`cladhaire: get photostop 8, no cs, no cs2`
`22:53.39`	`Tain`	`You can do it (in theory) with PS7, of course. But I do endorse skipping 8 and CS. CS2 brought things back to happy.`
`22:54.44`	id`	`Argh, i hate having ideas and projects and thing in your mind, but then you can't realise them because .. it just wont work`
`22:55.02`	id`	`and there we are 23:54, times up mister freeman`
`22:55.48`	id`	`hate it when you have`
`22:55.50`	id`	`*`
`22:56.13`	`cladhaire`	`I'll gimp it then`
`22:56.18`	`cladhaire`	`cause i dont have cs2 or 8`
`22:56.19`	`cladhaire`	`just cs`
`22:56.54`	`Tain`	`I haven't used 7 in a long time. BUt what are you doing, and what isn't it doing?`
`22:59.42`	`cladhaire`	`The alpha just doesn't get saved`
`22:59.52`	`cladhaire`	`even if the channel exists.. and i'm checking the magic checkbox.`
`22:59.59`	`cladhaire`	`i hate the "Save as a copy" bullshit in PS`
`23:00.00`	`cladhaire`	`always have`
`23:00.34`	`Tain`	`One thing that makes a difference is ... oh damnit I have the thought, I need to remember what I'm trying to say.`
`23:01.34`	`Tain`	`I remember having that exact problem though. I'm pretty sure it was something to do with what I had selected in the "Channels" view.`
`23:01.57`	`Tain`	`I almost think you want to have the rgb channels highlighted, but not the alpha channel, when you save. As backwards as that sounds.`
`23:03.51`	`cladhaire`	`yeah i played with that a little`
`23:03.53`	`cladhaire`	`no dice =(`
`23:05.53`	`cladhaire`	`now i've got to figure alpha channels out in gimp`
`23:06.46`	id`	`#gimp`
`23:06.47`	id`	`:P`
`23:07.46`	`Tain`	`I'll give a hand in a few minutes if you want, clad. I fought with alpha stuff a lot and somehow finally just got things working and ever had a problem since.`
`23:13.58`	`ckknight`	`gimp is pretty easy when you get used to it`
`23:14.32`	`cladhaire`	`BAH`
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`23:14.33`	`cladhaire`	`i know how to use gimp`
`23:14.38`	`cladhaire`	`but i can never get this to work`
`23:14.46`	`cladhaire`	`its the one thing about UI's that eludes me`
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