| 00:00.05 | Kaelten | err its 6+MB |
| 00:00.10 | Kaelten | I'll try to send it. |
| 00:00.56 | Kaelten | sending it to your interface addy |
| 00:01.33 | GenNMX | Cairenn: That's surprising, since GAIM is on Scourceforge...there should be legacy versions |
| 00:01.57 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:02.05 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.34 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.41 | Kaelten | cool |
| 00:04.48 | Kaelten | I think I sent it to eqinterface.com |
| 00:05.00 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.34 | Kaelten | thats cool |
| 00:05.36 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.04 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.59 | Cairenn | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:14.12 | GenNMX | Tain: I hate to say it, but I'm still losing textures on macros when I do a /reloadui |
| 00:14.50 | Kaelten | cool |
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| 00:29.38 | ag`` | anywone have wowscite laying around? |
| 00:29.55 | ag`` | the download is removed |
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| 00:36.48 | Cairenn | okay, so which is the proper guifications version number, anyone remember? |
| 00:38.17 | Tekkub | wheee |
| 00:38.33 | Tekkub | Trey's parents don't like it when I go all Silent Bob |
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| 01:01.30 | kergoth | totalannihil? was he playing total annihilation? i love that old game |
| 01:01.39 | kergoth | pagefault: you want countdoom into our addon set? |
| 01:02.34 | pagefault | sure |
| 01:02.58 | pagefault | I need an addon that flashes on the HUD or something when I am in certain range of someone |
| 01:03.03 | pagefault | I need to know so I can shadowburn them |
| 01:03.08 | pagefault | since that spell has a unique range |
| 01:03.14 | pagefault | any ideas? |
| 01:11.16 | ag`` | pagefault |
| 01:11.43 | ag`` | http://www.curse-gaming.com/modadmin.php?act=edit&id=2911 |
| 01:11.46 | ag`` | bah |
| 01:11.47 | ag`` | 2 secs |
| 01:11.53 | ag`` | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=2911 |
| 01:12.35 | pagefault | thank you! |
| 01:13.16 | ag`` | it is configured to use the range of shadowbolt though |
| 01:13.36 | ag`` | you can change that though |
| 01:22.23 | ag`` | pagefault, please download version 0.2 |
| 01:22.30 | ag`` | 0.1 is bugged :D |
| 01:28.33 | pagefault | alrighty |
| 01:28.35 | pagefault | your addon? |
| 01:29.28 | ag`` | yep :p |
| 01:29.42 | ag`` | It's not aced, could not be arsed to do it as it is just a modification of another mod |
| 01:30.42 | pagefault | hehe |
| 01:30.58 | pagefault | is this easily adjustable or will I have to edit the source, I need to know if they are in range for 27 yards |
| 01:31.22 | ag`` | isn't shadowburn 30? |
| 01:31.27 | ag`` | anyway I can help you out |
| 01:31.34 | pagefault | no I think they nerfed the range on it or something |
| 01:31.42 | pagefault | I always remember it being pretty far |
| 01:31.50 | ag`` | thottbot said 30 yards |
| 01:31.53 | pagefault | oh it's 24 yards |
| 01:31.56 | ag`` | ah |
| 01:32.03 | ag`` | well, let me figure it out for you |
| 01:32.17 | pagefault | thanks |
| 01:32.39 | ag`` | in rangecheck.lua |
| 01:32.48 | ag`` | go to line 305 |
| 01:34.11 | pagefault | thanks |
| 01:34.11 | pagefault | I see it |
| 01:34.54 | ag`` | yeah, change that line to |
| 01:34.54 | pagefault | now to try it out |
| 01:34.57 | ag`` | wait |
| 01:34.59 | pagefault | oh |
| 01:35.05 | pagefault | ok |
| 01:35.10 | ag`` | the line should read: |
| 01:35.47 | ag`` | hostiletexture = "Interface\\Icons\\Spell_Shadow_ScourgeBuild" |
| 01:36.13 | pagefault | ok |
| 01:36.16 | ag`` | also |
| 01:36.28 | ag`` | instead of changing in the lua file it is possible to use button ID's instead |
| 01:36.50 | ag`` | if you know what ID the spell you want to check has |
| 01:36.58 | ag`` | anyway, ingame use /rc enable |
| 01:37.17 | pagefault | ok |
| 01:38.45 | pagefault | wow |
| 01:38.45 | pagefault | nice |
| 01:39.43 | pagefault | works perfectly |
| 01:39.44 | pagefault | thanks |
| 01:40.00 | ag`` | np :-) |
| 01:40.12 | pagefault | i'm going to have so much fun with this |
| 01:40.17 | ag`` | hehehe :D |
| 01:40.21 | pagefault | they made shadowburn have a 4 second debuff |
| 01:40.27 | pagefault | so as long as you kill them in 4 seconds you get it back now |
| 01:40.34 | pagefault | it was like 1 second before |
| 01:40.35 | ag`` | that's nice, in 1.9? |
| 01:40.41 | pagefault | yeah |
| 01:40.52 | ag`` | where's the priest buffs xD |
| 01:40.57 | pagefault | I think we are way overpowered though |
| 01:41.05 | pagefault | I can do an instant death coil + shadow burn |
| 01:41.08 | pagefault | and it hits for like 1400 damage |
| 01:41.14 | ag`` | Yeah warlocks got pretty good imho |
| 01:41.28 | ag`` | some patches ago they we're screwed but the new deathcoil is good |
| 01:41.45 | pagefault | yeah it was awful to now being fun |
| 01:41.55 | pagefault | the death coil was what we needed |
| 01:42.18 | Codayus | Priest fixes are slated for 1.10. |
| 01:42.23 | ag`` | I know. But uh :D |
| 01:42.32 | pagefault | well I guess shadow priests are good |
| 01:42.34 | ag`` | They're going to own us like the loladins. |
| 01:42.36 | Codayus | As a priest, I'm just hoping they aren't like the paladin "fixes". :-) |
| 01:42.37 | pagefault | but the holy spec needs a look |
| 01:43.04 | ag`` | pagefault, disc needs too, and Shadow Priests need combat regen like mages and warlocks have it |
| 01:43.18 | ag`` | Shadow priests are not viable for endgame PvE because they run out of mana |
| 01:43.19 | pagefault | ah they can't heal themselves in any way in shadow form? |
| 01:43.26 | ag`` | Not in shadowform, no |
| 01:43.30 | pagefault | ah that kinda sucks |
| 01:43.35 | pagefault | they should have some kind of drain spell like a warlock |
| 01:43.36 | pagefault | or something |
| 01:43.42 | Codayus | Yeah...the only really good talent in the Holy Tree Spiritual Healing, and it's a 2nd tier talent... |
| 01:43.45 | ag`` | well there's that vampiryc embrace |
| 01:43.54 | ag`` | but that's all |
| 01:44.02 | pagefault | thats not very useful though |
| 01:44.09 | pagefault | at least not in pvp |
| 01:44.12 | ag`` | it's 20% of damage = health |
| 01:44.18 | ag`` | but I was more thinking about mana |
| 01:44.23 | pagefault | ahh |
| 01:44.31 | Codayus | They need to make spirit tap proc whenever a mob you've TAGGED dies. |
| 01:44.32 | pagefault | can't spirit tap? |
| 01:44.39 | ag`` | Codayus, yes |
| 01:44.54 | ag`` | spirit tap only works on things you get the killing blow on |
| 01:44.56 | pagefault | anyway I won't be surprised if they nerf warlocks sometime soon |
| 01:45.04 | pagefault | although I thought they would do it with the CoS/CoE nerf |
| 01:45.09 | pagefault | but that ended up being a buff |
| 01:45.37 | ag`` | problem is that in PvE on raid encounters, when mages run out of mana they'll just do whatever, mage armor/that 1400% regen thingy they have, shadow priests can just go shoot their wands |
| 01:45.47 | ag`` | pagefault, hehe |
| 01:45.52 | ag`` | I think warlocks are fine now |
| 01:46.00 | Codayus | Make spirit tap proc on tagged deaths, move it down a few tiers, and make the holy tree actually help you heal.. |
| 01:46.21 | pagefault | I agree, leave them alone now I don't need anything else |
| 01:46.23 | Codayus | And give us Prayer of Spirit, kthxbye! |
| 01:46.24 | pagefault | even the shard thing is fine for me now |
| 01:46.37 | ag`` | I don't think they're going to make the priest class a much better healer :P |
| 01:46.40 | pagefault | with shadow burn like that it's silly to run out of shards |
| 01:46.47 | ag`` | yeah now in 1.9 |
| 01:47.13 | pagefault | yeah you guys heal really well already :) |
| 01:47.14 | ag`` | Codayus, I think they're going to take a look on survivability |
| 01:47.19 | ag`` | and utility |
| 01:47.36 | ag`` | shadow they should take a look on mana regen |
| 01:47.44 | Codayus | ag``: I don't want to be a BETTER healer, but I would like to be able to use more skills. Maybe if GHeal was channeled? I keep hearing that idea floating around. |
| 01:48.17 | ag`` | Codayus, true, Gheal needs to be changed, I don't use it at all :P I've seen a blue post state that they're going to change it. |
| 01:48.37 | Codayus | Yeah, and don't forget, they added, IIRC, *1* new priest spell in AQ - a better rank of GHeal. |
| 01:48.48 | Codayus | They're planning on making it usable...somehow. We'll see. |
| 01:48.56 | ag`` | Yep |
| 01:49.08 | ag`` | Anyway I want racial spells changed into talents :P |
| 01:49.21 | Codayus | Heh, yeah. <---Human priest. |
| 01:49.27 | ag`` | Me too :> |
| 01:49.29 | ag`` | haha |
| 01:49.39 | ag`` | Should've rolled Dorf or Undead? |
| 01:49.47 | pagefault | the bandages need to be scaled up |
| 01:49.50 | pagefault | 2000 damage is nothing |
| 01:49.56 | Codayus | I <3 my free health pots, and I like the fact that I look cool. But...come on! Feedback vs Fear Ward? Is this some kind of JOKE? |
| 01:53.23 | ag`` | hehe |
| 01:53.35 | ag`` | and really, a free heal pot on a 30 min timer |
| 01:53.57 | ag`` | If I farmed a little more or found an epic I could buy that ability... On a 2 min timer. |
| 01:54.11 | ag`` | pagefault, <3 bandages |
| 01:54.34 | pagefault | me too |
| 01:54.40 | pagefault | but I wish there were better ones |
| 01:54.42 | pagefault | like mooncloth or something |
| 01:55.10 | Codayus | <shrug> It's saved me a fair amount of gold over time. And it's nice to be able to hit desperate prayer AND drink a mana pot...seperate timers. |
| 01:55.28 | Codayus | Heh. Mooncloth bandages would have to be some sort of AoE heal on the entire raid. :-) |
| 01:55.43 | Codayus | Maybe felcloth bandages though... |
| 01:56.07 | Codayus | Heavy mooncloth could have a smallish chance of rezing people. :-) |
| 01:56.27 | pagefault | that would be cool |
| 01:58.07 | ag`` | and the new cloth types in the expo should be able to fly and shoot nukes :o |
| 02:00.17 | Codayus | I want the expansion to come out. :-( |
| 02:01.09 | ag`` | 2k7 :p |
| 02:01.35 | Codayus | sssh |
| 02:01.45 | Codayus | Don't say that. :-) |
| 02:35.16 | Codayus | ZOMG, coolest quest chain ever! |
| 02:35.17 | Codayus | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-realm-malganis&t=156747&p=1&tmp=1#post156747 |
| 02:38.00 | ag`` | :o |
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| 06:03.54 | Tain | Hey GenNMX, actually was in bed and couldn't sleep and just got up to look at Visor buttons again |
| 06:04.27 | GenNMX | Tain: I figured out when that Macro texture problem occurs. It's only with buttons that have event scripts bound to them. |
| 06:05.15 | Tain | So a macro texture and a Visor script assigned? |
| 06:05.28 | GenNMX | Event scripts and also happens to contain a macro. That's the only explanation I can think of why it happens to my 1st and 3rd bars but not my second bar (which starts with a macro, but has no event script assigned to it) |
| 06:05.30 | Tain | Or an event assigned with Visor I should say |
| 06:05.47 | GenNMX | An event with an associating script by Visor, yeah |
| 06:05.47 | Tain | ok hrm |
| 06:05.57 | Tain | Interesting |
| 06:06.05 | GenNMX | It also only happens when /console reloadui is called |
| 06:06.28 | GenNMX | Afterwhich you need to reload to fix it. |
| 06:06.35 | GenNMX | Relog, I mean. |
| 06:07.19 | Tain | That part is really odd. |
| 06:07.45 | GenNMX | Actually wait, lemme test something. |
| 06:07.49 | Tain | There's only a few things extra that happen on a full login that don't happen on a reload. |
| 06:08.03 | Tain | Which doesn't mean a lot, I've still seen that behavior happen with other things before. |
| 06:08.06 | Tain | Just don't know why. |
| 06:08.34 | GenNMX | Stratch that, /reloadui DOES fix the texture. |
| 06:08.45 | GenNMX | OK, lemme restate the problem. |
| 06:09.14 | Tain | ok |
| 06:09.33 | GenNMX | If you do /reloadui or otherwise reload the UI, then the texture becomes "static" and doesn't change if you pickup and swap the button, or remove it. |
| 06:09.58 | GenNMX | If it's a macro, then the texture swapped in is blank. |
| 06:10.17 | GenNMX | So I can swap in "Wrath" to the affected slot, and it'll gain the Wrath texture. |
| 06:10.34 | GenNMX | Yet if I swap in a macro, then the texture stays as "Wrath". |
| 06:11.31 | Tain | Ok |
| 06:12.12 | Tain | That starts to explain some of the differences in the buttons. |
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| 06:17.44 | Tain | You know GenNMX I also had another idea as I was trying to get myself to sleep with visions of Visor dancing in my head that I was going to throw out there on the forum as an alternative. |
| 06:18.00 | Tain | Just another way to do things that would work in some (most? almost all?) cases. |
| 06:18.21 | Tain | Temporarily swapping just the keybindings and hiding/showing buttons as needed. |
| 06:19.50 | Tain | Anything that was looking for an actual specific button slot wouldn't work, but as I thought about how I used swapping it was really just to get a specific function to be where a keybind was to press it easier. |
| 06:20.36 | GenNMX | I was thinking about that too, but that causes a lot of other problems, one of which affects Card_Bars for example. You'd expect the 1-12 buttons swapped with the 73-84 or 96-104 would all be in the same positions and the same scale. |
| 06:21.44 | Tain | Right, a lot of the things won't work quite as well with anything other than just with Visor buttons though. |
| 06:22.01 | Tain | Not that things don't work, it's just easier. heh |
| 06:22.20 | GenNMX | I suppose I could make them all relative to each other, but I can't parent them to get the scaling uniform. |
| 06:22.39 | GenNMX | I was trying to think of a solution which is easiest for everyone. But I guess my solution isn't easiest for you ;) |
| 06:23.09 | Tain | Oh actually I still want to make the swapping work equivilent to how the default Bliz stuff works. |
| 06:23.51 | Tain | I just happened to think of that as another way to go about some similar functionality as well. |
| 06:24.12 | kergoth | hehe, happy gilmore rocks. just got his ass kicked by bob barker |
| 06:24.14 | Tain | It definitely wouldn't be equivalent. |
| 06:25.07 | GenNMX | Tain: What's the benefit of adding events to buttons instead of some general Visor frame? |
| 06:26.47 | Tain | No functional difference, just that you could see events catalogged out by what they effect if it's on a specific button and only affects that button. |
| 06:26.47 | GenNMX | Well, besides OnClick, OnEnter, etc. |
| 06:27.08 | Tain | At least that was the original idea, that you'd do scripts for that button. But the reality is you can assign a script to anything to affect anything. |
| 06:28.18 | GenNMX | Can you grab what button # called the event? |
| 06:28.59 | GenNMX | I haven't tested if "ss=ProcessEvent( self )" would work |
| 06:32.39 | Tain | Well it's whatever button/frame is registered to watch for an event that's going to be the originator, and you can tell it to affect any other. |
| 06:33.25 | Tain | You could/might have to pass that originating button number as an argument if you needed to know somewhere else. |
| 06:36.18 | GenNMX | Yeah, that's what I'm doing now. |
| 06:36.46 | Tain | oh if you assign something to a button with Visor I don't think it'll swap at all. That'll be a problem. I mean something like |
| 06:37.07 | Tain | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:37.18 | Tain | That won't swap. I dont' think. |
| 06:38.42 | Tain | Nope it won't. So On.. events, OnEnter, OnLeave will only occur with the frame they're rgistered to. |
| 06:38.55 | GenNMX | Hmm true, but that makes sense. You're swapping buttons, not the extra info from Visor. |
| 06:39.09 | Tain | Yeah, it just is something I hadn't thought of. |
| 06:40.50 | GenNMX | If you gave us an easy way to delete scripts, then we could just delete and reassign scripts |
| 06:41.11 | GenNMX | Right now I need to wipe out a frame's settings to get rid of a script |
| 06:41.22 | Tain | Yeah that needs to be fixed. |
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| 09:14.36 | pagefault | bgbuddy is still buggy |
| 09:14.40 | pagefault | you can't click to enter the battle |
| 10:01.49 | Codayus | Damn Thekal is hard. |
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| 10:23.35 | Codayus | And he's down. |
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| 12:34.14 | Tekkub | *sigh* |
| 12:34.26 | Tekkub | it's a night for pushy intellectuals it seems |
| 12:34.51 | id`` | ? |
| 12:35.06 | Tekkub | http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=45&start=15 <--- Rowne with his usual "Blizzard is consistantly inconsistant wuth everything" |
| 12:35.24 | Tekkub | and my ex-bf and husband had it out on IM tonight.... |
| 12:35.47 | Tekkub | the ex is one of those "I'm smart so it's my duty to impose my bielifs on others" people |
| 12:35.57 | Tekkub | the exact reason I stopped seeing him |
| 12:36.08 | Tekkub | and he did it to the hubby tonight... |
| 12:36.44 | Tekkub | seems they were getting along great when it was all computer talk, then the ex turned it into political debate like he so loves to do, and shit hit the fan |
| 12:37.40 | Tekkub | ya see, my core value is "Never impose you values upon others" |
| 12:38.17 | id`` | ya i have problems with that |
| 12:38.20 | Tekkub | that's why I hate most every christian I come across that makes me aware they are christian |
| 12:38.33 | id`` | because im too enthousiastic about what i do |
| 12:38.43 | Tekkub | and I've never had that issue with a single jew, including my college roomie and his parents |
| 12:39.25 | Tekkub | cause they never really feel the need to force, or even really share, their values with others |
| 12:39.37 | Tekkub | his parents kicked ass :) |
| 12:40.00 | Tekkub | and he turned into one of those ultra-goth "everyone hates me" people |
| 12:40.03 | id`` | sometimes i even WANT to send my music to other people |
| 12:40.05 | id`` | :P |
| 12:40.20 | Tekkub | what's wrong with music? :P |
| 12:40.29 | id`` | do you like power metal? |
| 12:40.39 | id`` | or industrial/ebm/noise? |
| 12:40.59 | Tekkub | metal, no, it's too harsh for my tastes in music :) |
| 12:41.09 | Tekkub | indust/noise, sure it's okey |
| 12:41.16 | Tekkub | I'm a trance/ambient type |
| 12:41.49 | id`` | well im going to send you 2GB of it tonight! |
| 12:41.50 | Tekkub | and I aslo go for damn near anything that has really goot lyrics, regardless of genre, as long as said lyrics are legible |
| 12:41.53 | id`` | :p |
| 12:42.35 | Tekkub | I like a lot of my the music my dad listens to really, he likes a lot of stuff |
| 12:42.49 | Tekkub | usually that's all we really do for xmas is trade music |
| 12:43.04 | Tekkub | I send him my latest finds, he sends me his |
| 12:43.05 | id`` | :) |
| 12:43.13 | Tekkub | and some money and fudge too |
| 12:43.24 | Tekkub | I need to get his recepie sometime |
| 12:43.32 | id`` | too bad i cant open a port at work i'd let you download from me |
| 12:43.37 | id`` | :< |
| 12:43.46 | Tekkub | I can never find fudge like his, everyone puts that marshmallow creme shit in theirs |
| 12:44.12 | Tekkub | he makes very dry, flakey fudge |
| 12:44.33 | id`` | Tekkub, ever programmed in ruby? |
| 12:44.49 | id`` | http://poignantguide.net/ruby/ |
| 12:44.52 | id`` | its really fun |
| 12:44.52 | id`` | :p |
| 12:45.18 | Tekkub | no I havn't is that sarcasm? |
| 12:45.30 | id`` | no, its really fun |
| 12:45.36 | id`` | i think youll enjoy it |
| 12:45.52 | id`` | http://poignantguide.net/ruby/chapter-3.html |
| 12:45.53 | Tekkub | well see there's one driving force in my programming endevors |
| 12:46.00 | Tekkub | I need a need first |
| 12:46.00 | id`` | read a chapter or two youll know what im talking about |
| 12:46.08 | Tekkub | I have a ton of needs in WoW UI |
| 12:46.15 | Tekkub | I have none anywhere else :) |
| 12:46.28 | id`` | Tekkub, to make a website with the ruby on rails web framework |
| 12:46.31 | id`` | to host the addons |
| 12:46.32 | id`` | :p |
| 12:46.41 | Tekkub | I don't really do websites |
| 12:46.58 | id`` | :( |
| 12:47.02 | Tekkub | websites == XML GUIs to me :) |
| 12:47.06 | Tekkub | and I suck at those |
| 12:47.17 | id`` | make ruby publish your addons |
| 12:47.17 | id`` | :p |
| 12:47.22 | Tekkub | for the key reason of I have no asthetic eye |
| 12:47.28 | Tekkub | I lake the "gay gift" |
| 12:47.36 | Tekkub | I can't even match my clothes |
| 12:47.41 | id`` | lol |
| 12:48.14 | Tekkub | I'm hungry |
| 12:52.45 | id`` | meh you made me hungry :9 |
| 12:52.53 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 12:52.54 | id`` | but i haven't got any food with me today |
| 12:53.10 | id`` | still trouble with the alarm clock |
| 12:53.11 | id`` | :| |
| 12:53.18 | id`` | ~emulate Industrial |
| 12:53.23 | purl | <id`>\o. FOR THE HORDE <id`> I'm a horde nazi |
| 12:53.33 | id`` | ke ke ke |
| 12:53.33 | Tekkub | ah I need to finish up the Tradeskill portion of PT |
| 12:53.55 | id`` | Melendeev should hook up with KC_I tooltip |
| 12:53.58 | id`` | imo |
| 12:54.05 | id`` | sec got screenie |
| 12:54.06 | Tekkub | I'm debating even turning the list into a set string, since the parse out and the chach to table take the same space |
| 12:55.30 | Tekkub | and it's not much space |
| 12:56.06 | Tekkub | 139 KiB for nearly-complete Cooking, Engineering, FirstAide, and Smelting/mining |
| 12:56.18 | id`` | if you hover over something does it look up from the db? |
| 12:56.34 | id`` | would be nice to cache the full inventory when opened, and let it gc when close |
| 12:56.37 | id`` | same with bank |
| 12:56.52 | id`` | :] |
| 12:57.04 | id`` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/wow/moon/WoWScrnShot_010806_234313.jpg |
| 12:57.16 | Tekkub | PT converts the set stirng out into a table when you request a compare with that set, normally |
| 12:57.23 | Tekkub | and then caches that |
| 12:57.30 | id`` | see how it doesnt play nice together? |
| 12:57.37 | Tekkub | so it only expands out what sets you use |
| 12:57.42 | id`` | (im hovering over the linen cloth bottom right) |
| 12:57.51 | id`` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/gfx/wow/moon/WoWScrnShot_010806_234926.jpg |
| 12:57.53 | id`` | and that one |
| 12:57.58 | Tekkub | yes I agree and taht's on his list |
| 12:58.02 | id`` | i tihnk it should be in one tooltip together :) |
| 12:58.14 | Tekkub | it's on his todo :) |
| 12:58.17 | id`` | \o/ |
| 12:58.47 | Tekkub | anywho, the tradeskill stuff seems like it's pointless to parse it live and compress it down for use |
| 12:59.19 | Tekkub | it's either gonna be used right then or not, if not the user could just nix the module to save that 100KiB of memory |
| 13:01.04 | id`` | man i really need to go look at PT some time because i havent and im so dumb that i still cant say exactly what it does :( |
| 13:01.24 | Tekkub | the core code is very small |
| 13:01.43 | Tekkub | the DB stirings aren't, but they're a simple format :) |
| 13:02.27 | id`` | cant wait |
| 13:02.28 | id`` | :p |
| 13:02.32 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 13:03.30 | id`` | Tip, use tabs for indenting but spaces for aligning |
| 13:03.32 | id`` | http://img500.imageshack.us/my.php?image=010920061403139iw.png |
| 13:03.41 | id`` | (i love that imageshack upload util) |
| 13:04.02 | id`` | (i press f10 and it takes a shot and uploads and copies the link into the clipboard) |
| 13:04.02 | Tekkub | yar, I should prolly |
| 13:05.43 | id`` | ah you made strings of item id's ofcource! :p |
| 13:05.49 | Tekkub | :) |
| 13:06.04 | id`` | question, isnt this expandable? |
| 13:06.20 | Tekkub | very much so |
| 13:06.25 | Tekkub | that was the intent |
| 13:06.36 | id`` | i mean couldnt you write an addon that collects these id's and makes a list so you wont have to harvest yourself? |
| 13:06.38 | id`` | a separate thing |
| 13:06.54 | Tekkub | yes that's possible |
| 13:07.05 | Tekkub | but it depends on finding the items in-game |
| 13:07.28 | Tekkub | it's easier to pay attention to the patch notes and update new items that way really |
| 13:07.29 | id`` | it checks if the item is in PT already if not makes a table with infos on the name and id and maybe some other stuff |
| 13:07.39 | id`` | k |
| 13:07.52 | Tekkub | I really don't want the overhead of that |
| 13:08.03 | id`` | i know, but just for finding items |
| 13:08.04 | id`` | :p |
| 13:08.09 | Tekkub | plus there is no real need that I can think of |
| 13:08.19 | Tekkub | what items are there to find? :) |
| 13:08.21 | id`` | because its already complete? :O |
| 13:08.26 | Tekkub | basically |
| 13:08.30 | id`` | nice |
| 13:08.31 | Tekkub | it's just updates now |
| 13:08.45 | Tekkub | like the new stuff in 1.9 is slowly getting worked in |
| 13:09.09 | Tekkub | most sets, aside from crafts and foods, are fairly small |
| 13:09.53 | Tekkub | mining only gathers like a dozen ore , 6 stones, and mabey 20 gems |
| 13:10.01 | Tekkub | herbing is like 25 herbs |
| 13:10.10 | Tekkub | etc |
| 13:10.31 | id`` | hmmhmm |
| 13:10.47 | Tekkub | now when the expansion hits, yea I might write up a discovery tool and ask users to submit savedvars to me |
| 13:10.52 | Tekkub | but that's some time off :) |
| 13:11.54 | id`` | and then mix and match and prune the savedvars file to give you one neat output |
| 13:12.10 | id`` | hah you could make them join a separate channel and share info on duplicates |
| 13:12.19 | id`` | so no duplicates exist |
| 13:12.31 | id`` | that'd be reeeeally spammy tho |
| 13:12.56 | Tekkub | yea, uhm, no |
| 13:12.58 | Tekkub | :P |
| 13:12.59 | id`` | :P |
| 13:13.23 | id`` | (tekkub thinks 'id and his weird id's err idea's') |
| 13:13.24 | Tekkub | I honestly Don't think I have taht many users on the same realm anyway |
| 13:13.34 | Tekkub | and I hate doaling with comm channels |
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| 13:19.43 | id` | http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=14439#14439 |
| 13:19.46 | id` | haha im so childish |
| 13:20.11 | Tekkub | :P |
| 13:20.13 | Tekkub | me tew |
| 13:20.40 | id` | ^^ |
| 13:23.37 | id` | we are the ace monkey ninjas |
| 13:23.52 | id` | we fling poo at noobies then disappear in a shroud of mist |
| 13:24.28 | Tekkub | fling poo in their eyes, take their good ideas, and hearth out |
| 13:26.32 | id` | im going to MS paint this idea |
| 13:26.38 | id` | oops boss alert |
| 13:33.42 | id` | http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/149/untitled5sb.png |
| 13:39.57 | id` | Tekkub, ?:P |
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| 16:41.08 | Tekkub | le sigh |
| 16:42.01 | Tekkub | every get the feeling Rowne's one of the types that must always get the last word, that he can't admit to himself that he does still like something about WoW and thus refuses to let go? |
| 16:49.13 | Tain | I think it's more that he doesn't want to let go of the addons than WoW itself. |
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| 17:03.59 | Tekkub | yea could be :) |
| 17:05.24 | kergoth | meh, optimally i need to have made a decision on an apartment out in arizona, and have the application to get the place sent to them, by today. driving out thursday/friday. maybe i should just say fuck that and go with one of those temporary weekly corporate lodgings type places for a week or two |
| 17:07.02 | Tekkub | just go buy a nice refrigerator box |
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| 17:13.59 | Tain | Actually that's not a bad idea kergoth, at least you'd be able to really look at places in person. |
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| 17:14.31 | Tain | Or find a cheap Motel 6 or something. :) |
| 17:15.43 | Tain | Hell, it's nice weather in Arizona, find a campground for $10 a night! |
| 17:30.45 | kergoth | yeah, i'm liking that idea more and more. even if its $200 a week or something, thats still cheaper than my first month's rent is gonna be, and i'll be able to actually go to the apartments. can only tell so much from pictures and reviews |
| 17:31.09 | kergoth | hmm, i bet my relocation cash would reimburse me for that temporary lodging |
| 17:42.30 | Tain | haha there's an entry on slashdot about the top Open Source projects (not necessarily just software.) |
| 17:42.52 | Tain | Someone says, "The Bible, Quran and Torah" |
| 17:42.56 | Tain | I totally want to fork the Bible |
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| 17:56.10 | kergoth | hah |
| 17:56.18 | kergoth | that reminds me of that one episode of firefly |
| 17:56.54 | kergoth | Book: What are we up to, sweetheart? |
| 17:56.54 | kergoth | River: Fixing your Bible. |
| 17:56.54 | kergoth | Book: I, um... what? |
| 17:56.54 | kergoth | River: Bible's broken. Contradictions, false logics. Doesn't make sense. |
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| 17:58.39 | [MoonWolf] | Greetings and salutations |
| 18:02.43 | kergoth | Kaylee: Look, they got boy whores. |
| 18:02.43 | kergoth | [cheerful] |
| 18:02.43 | kergoth | Kaylee: Isn't that thoughtful? |
| 18:03.19 | Tain | haha |
| 18:04.01 | [MoonWolf] | ~_^ |
| 18:07.49 | [MoonWolf] | I loaded this up went trough bank and bags and it worked and then I checked how much mem it used and I just started laughing. |
| 18:07.49 | [MoonWolf] | You made a mod that's about 25 times as small as ReagentData/ReagentInfo this includes Periodic table. |
| 18:07.49 | [MoonWolf] | This has got to be the best Ace converted mod that there is out ther |
| 18:07.58 | [MoonWolf] | Somehow reading that gave me a real kick. |
| 18:09.27 | [MoonWolf] | kergoth, I thought of something, now that the wow xml should include correct dtd information |
| 18:09.43 | [MoonWolf] | You should be able to write xml a lot easyer with xml editors |
| 18:11.35 | kergoth | oh yeah, good point |
| 18:12.26 | Tain | Yeah |
| 18:12.46 | Tain | I fired up XMLSpy and was surprised at how much easier it looked. |
| 18:13.15 | [MoonWolf] | anybody got a good editor to recomend for that ? |
| 18:18.00 | Tain | XMLSpy. :) |
| 18:18.11 | Tain | Actually I don't know if it's good, it's the only one I ever tried and barely did anything with it. |
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| 18:28.12 | [MoonWolf] | okay |
| 18:29.04 | [MoonWolf] | its commercial |
| 18:29.19 | Tain | Theres' a free downloadable personal version. |
| 18:29.51 | Tain | Gah I know people have said it time and time again and I didn't listen, but geez I was stupid. |
| 18:29.59 | Tain | Anyone who writes addons need to read the PIL. |
| 18:30.22 | [MoonWolf] | hehe |
| 18:30.26 | [MoonWolf] | i need to read it too |
| 18:30.28 | Tain | I learned stuff in 3 pages already that I never knew existed. |
| 18:30.37 | [MoonWolf] | like ? |
| 18:31.01 | Tain | You can enclose literals inside [[ ]] instead of escaping the special characters inside |
| 18:31.24 | [MoonWolf] | thats new |
| 18:31.25 | Tain | So [[ <HTML> ]] you don't have to escape the < |
| 18:31.35 | [MoonWolf] | maybe i really should read it. |
| 18:31.36 | Tain | As an example they use. |
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| 20:56.44 | id` | Tekkub, you are the titan specialist |
| 20:56.51 | id` | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?s=471013bd38d299c34c5eb90f548048bd&id=3928 |
| 20:56.53 | id` | right version? |
| 20:57.01 | id` | oo my sessions i baked in there blah |
| 20:57.04 | id` | session* |
| 20:57.18 | id` | http://wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=3928 |
| 20:57.19 | id` | :< |
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| 21:12.25 | Tekkub | okey, the new Willy Wonka movie is much less creepy than the old one |
| 21:12.43 | Tekkub | tho his similarities to Michael Jackson are a tad scary |
| 21:12.54 | Tain | Sort of. I think Johnny Depp's Wonka is a little more creepy. |
| 21:12.56 | Tain | But in different ways. |
| 21:13.12 | Tain | But the rest of the movie was way too cheery. |
| 21:13.19 | Tekkub | yes, but the oompas are much less creepy |
| 21:13.25 | Tain | The Oompa Loopmas sucked. |
| 21:13.33 | Tekkub | orange midgets singing badly is very creepy |
| 21:14.03 | Tain | Yeah but midgets trying to sing as if they're hip and current was sad. |
| 21:14.09 | Tain | Well, fake midgets. |
| 21:14.45 | Tekkub | I bet the Midget Acting Union was pissed, this movie was probably a lot of potential jobs |
| 21:14.50 | Tain | They were. |
| 21:15.01 | Tain | There were reports about it when they were filming. |
| 21:15.17 | Tekkub | and indie, no the latest is 2.13 or so |
| 21:15.50 | Tekkub | so I've been futzing with the war effort tracker |
| 21:15.59 | Tain | I'd stil actually try 1.2 or 1.3 first, id. They were slightly less resource demanding. |
| 21:16.09 | Tekkub | seems like it might be easy to auto-scan when you talk to the leader guy |
| 21:16.41 | Tain | Yeah Tekkub, some people were doing just that. |
| 21:18.09 | Tekkub | oh are there already ones out? |
| 21:18.35 | Tekkub | if so screw it, I got more important mods to work on :) |
| 21:19.01 | Tain | I haven't seen any mods, just heard people talking about scanning the guy for all relevant info. |
| 21:20.23 | Tain | Oh that reminds me, I was going to check out Telo's InfoBar to see how much it had that useful to me as a possible alternative to Titanbar. |
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| 21:22.06 | Tain | Bah I'd have to update it right off the bat. He uses 1024x768 as the screensize right in the lua. |
| 21:25.04 | Tekkub | infobar is mucho uglier |
| 21:25.10 | Tekkub | and the setup interface blew |
| 21:25.18 | Tekkub | unless he improved it |
| 21:26.23 | Tain | I don't know, I just looked through half the code and it just seems like everyone uses so much code to do things that can be done in much less. |
| 21:26.48 | Tain | Pages of code to sort and set the startup order of plugins or something. |
| 21:27.35 | Cairenn | You know which infobar I'm using these days? BhaldieInfoBar: http://www.wowinterface.com/downloads/fileinfo.php?id=4388 |
| 21:27.59 | Tekkub | baldie is nice, yes :) |
| 21:28.23 | Tain | Ah I'll have to look at that. |
| 21:28.33 | Tekkub | but I toyed with it a tad and couldn't get the XP bar to adjust to my screen right, so I said fuck it |
| 21:28.52 | Tekkub | I can't wait for AceBar ^^ |
| 21:29.08 | Cairenn | me either, but in the meantime ... |
| 21:32.53 | FryGuy | AceBar would be great :) |
| 21:33.38 | Cairenn | I like BhaldieInfoBar just fine, since I don't use 3/4 of the stuff that comes on the other bars |
| 21:34.08 | Cairenn | I like knowing my location, how much space I have in my bags/whether I need to restock on arrows, how much cash I've got, and what time it is |
| 21:34.25 | Cairenn | beyond that |
| 21:34.25 | Tain | Bhaldies seems much cleaner, codewise. But it moves a lot of frames around on you. I don't like that. |
| 21:34.40 | Tekkub | Titan is mostly my mods on it for me :) |
| 21:34.51 | Tain | bleaahr |
| 21:34.54 | Tekkub | and I reploce the built in ones with better versions |
| 21:35.11 | Tekkub | oh yea... I'm gonna put my clock up on trac for anyone interested |
| 21:35.21 | Tekkub | it's not an Ace addon, but it's tiny |
| 21:35.29 | Tain | Sure sure |
| 21:37.23 | CIA-13 | 03tekkub * r561 10TitanGMT/ (. TitanGMT.lua TitanGMT.toc TitanGMT.xml): TitanGMT - Initial submission (A better clock plugin for Titan) |
| 21:37.31 | Tekkub | okey, so it shows local and server time, and date in the tooltip... that's all it does :) |
| 21:37.53 | FryGuy | that thing is awesome |
| 21:38.21 | Tekkub | thank you |
| 21:38.48 | Tekkub | oh.... |
| 21:41.08 | Tain | You know Titan would probably run faster if every bit of code more than two lines wasn't made into a function. |
| 21:41.28 | kergoth | lua function overhead is awfully low, hard to say |
| 21:41.31 | kergoth | would need to profile |
| 21:41.52 | Tain | For some of this stuff I have to believe. Certainly not everything by any means. |
| 21:41.59 | kergoth | i expect that just makes the code unweildy and annoying, but not too much slower from that alone |
| 21:42.38 | Tain | Even if it didn't help performance one bit, it would make me less angry reading the code. |
| 21:42.50 | kergoth | indeed |
| 21:42.51 | kergoth | :) |
| 21:43.32 | Tain | Is there any possible benefit to this? I really want to think I'm just missing something. |
| 21:43.32 | Tain | function TitanUtils_GetCurrentIndex(table, value) |
| 21:43.32 | Tain | end |
| 21:44.43 | Tain | erm |
| 21:44.46 | Tain | Paste errors! |
| 21:44.48 | Tain | .function TitanUtils_GetCurrentIndex(table, value) |
| 21:44.48 | Tain | .return TitanUtils_TableContainsValue(table, value) |
| 21:44.48 | Tain | .end |
| 21:45.03 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:45.16 | Tain | Now maybe it's just me! |
| 21:45.32 | Tekkub | in the dictionary under redundant it says see redundant |
| 21:46.08 | FryGuy | heh |
| 21:46.17 | Tain | I'll just let you guess what this one does. |
| 21:46.17 | Tain | function TitanUtils_PrintArray(array) |
| 21:46.23 | FryGuy | TitanUtils_GetCurrentIndex = TitanUtils_TableContainsValue |
| 21:46.24 | FryGuy | :/ |
| 21:46.37 | Tain | 11 lines of code to output the contents of an array. |
| 21:46.45 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:47.26 | Tain | heh I have to stop. |
| 21:47.34 | Tain | This is just one of the files and it's completely full of these things. |
| 21:48.24 | Tain | Writing your own functions for ToString which calls another function checking what you pass in a ternary |
| 21:51.52 | Tain | I just can't see wrapping a single line in a function. |
| 21:52.24 | kergoth | thats just weird |
| 21:52.31 | kergoth | sounds like he's just ignorant of lua or something |
| 21:52.34 | kergoth | doesnt want to remember the syntax? |
| 21:52.35 | kergoth | i dunno |
| 21:52.36 | kergoth | weird |
| 21:52.39 | id` | http://digigen.nl/~Industrial/ |
| 21:52.41 | id` | 1.9 updated |
| 21:52.44 | id` | need help on css |
| 21:52.48 | id` | ;P |
| 21:52.51 | id` | as you can see :| |
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| 22:04.01 | kergoth | hey moon |
| 22:04.07 | [MoonWolf] | hey kergoth |
| 22:04.37 | [MoonWolf] | I can't really tell for sure but i think rowne called me brilliant. |
| 22:04.48 | [MoonWolf] | I know for sure he called tekkub brilliant. |
| 22:04.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:04.53 | kergoth | nifty |
| 22:06.22 | [MoonWolf] | I think i will put xfce on suse today. |
| 22:06.41 | kergoth | the condo i want wants $1k for a security deposit and $250 fee... and i dont want to lose it if i drive out there and discover i want it, i dont want someoen else to have taken it. grr. |
| 22:06.43 | kergoth | good plan |
| 22:06.50 | Tekkub | he did? |
| 22:06.53 | Tekkub | Rowne likes me! |
| 22:06.57 | kergoth | ~praise Tekkub |
| 22:06.59 | purl | All hail Tekkub! |
| 22:07.06 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 22:07.06 | purl | thanks, kergoth |
| 22:07.08 | Tekkub | even if he's a pompus ass when he wants to be :) |
| 22:07.10 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 22:07.11 | purl | Gimme some sugar, baby! |
| 22:07.11 | [MoonWolf] | check the mandy thread. |
| 22:07.16 | kergoth | yay ash |
| 22:07.50 | Tekkub | hrm... auto-scanning gosip panes is getting te be annoying |
| 22:08.03 | [MoonWolf] | the panes are to different ? |
| 22:08.36 | [MoonWolf] | kergoth, do you think i mandriva rpm would work on suse |
| 22:08.42 | [MoonWolf] | I guess not. |
| 22:08.42 | Tekkub | no it's the autoselecting that's being annoying |
| 22:08.50 | Tekkub | first I got it stuck in a loop |
| 22:08.57 | Tekkub | now I cant get it to work :) |
| 22:09.26 | kergoth | [MoonWolf]: hard to say. probably not. _might_ be able to make it work if you build the binary rpm from the .src.rpm on your suse box, but even then its chancy, depends on how different they are wrt file locations and package naming |
| 22:09.27 | Tekkub | ah, a 2 when I needed a 1 ^^ |
| 22:09.31 | Tekkub | that'd do it |
| 22:09.54 | [MoonWolf] | kergoth, yeah. ill try the native suse one and do with a version number less. |
| 22:11.45 | [MoonWolf] | thedailywtf makes me lose all hope in humanity |
| 22:12.00 | kergoth | its good at that |
| 22:12.04 | [MoonWolf] | you would think that someone who can write c code actually had an iq. |
| 22:12.09 | kergoth | i lost my hope in humanity long ago |
| 22:12.23 | kergoth | i'm a gruff bitter, cynical old man before my time |
| 22:12.27 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:12.38 | Tekkub | haha! eet werks! |
| 22:12.44 | [MoonWolf] | kergoth, end it now before it gets works! |
| 22:12.50 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, ???? |
| 22:12.58 | [MoonWolf] | worse even |
| 22:13.04 | Tekkub | making a "track the war effort" mod |
| 22:13.05 | kergoth | working tech support does a good job at killing all hope in humanity |
| 22:13.13 | [MoonWolf] | yeah |
| 22:13.14 | kergoth | nifty |
| 22:13.33 | [MoonWolf] | reading techcomedy.com helps me understand how that must feel like. |
| 22:13.37 | Tekkub | you talk to the leader guys, it pops thru all the gossip screens and pulls out the numbers :) |
| 22:14.13 | [MoonWolf] | nice |
| 22:14.23 | [MoonWolf] | does it calculate percantage too ? |
| 22:15.22 | Tain | ehn Rowne called me brilliant and other stuff too. |
| 22:15.44 | [MoonWolf] | Tain, you deserve that in my eyes. |
| 22:16.13 | Tekkub | percentage? |
| 22:16.20 | Tekkub | god now I have to do math? |
| 22:16.23 | Tain | I've got Bettie Davis eyes. |
| 22:16.38 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, that really is not hard in this case. |
| 22:16.46 | Tain | You know I almost want to spend a day rewriting Titan and just paring it down. |
| 22:16.49 | Tekkub | whateva! |
| 22:16.56 | Tekkub | me too tain |
| 22:17.10 | Tekkub | I keep saying"no, Keal will do AceBar soon" |
| 22:17.14 | Tain | Yeah |
| 22:17.30 | [MoonWolf] | If you people wait any longer i wil make it. |
| 22:17.33 | [MoonWolf] | and it will suck |
| 22:17.40 | [MoonWolf] | and it will be your fault. |
| 22:17.49 | Tekkub | no it'll be Kael's fault |
| 22:19.28 | Tain | And damnit he uses this EVERYWHERE in the code. Every other function uses it for something. |
| 22:19.28 | Tain | function TitanUtils_Ternary(a, b, c) |
| 22:19.28 | Tain | if (a) then return b; |
| 22:19.28 | Tain | else return c; |
| 22:19.28 | Tain | end end |
| 22:19.38 | [MoonWolf] | .... |
| 22:19.47 | [MoonWolf] | why not write the damn ternary THERE! |
| 22:20.02 | Tain | I know I"m doing this to myself. I read the PiL earlier today, and then this. |
| 22:20.20 | Tain | Have you ever taken a hot glass dish out of the oven and dumped it right into cold water? |
| 22:20.29 | [MoonWolf] | CRACK! |
| 22:20.35 | Tain | I think that's going to happen to my brain. :( |
| 22:21.00 | [MoonWolf] | Tain, so why are you doing this ? |
| 22:21.10 | [MoonWolf] | Do you get a kick out of danger ? |
| 22:21.38 | Tain | uggggg and I just got an email from HR, they overcharged me $150 for my monthly parking and have to send out another check for it. |
| 22:21.43 | kergoth | :( |
| 22:22.11 | FryGuy | tain: isn't ternary like a && b || c? |
| 22:22.13 | Tain | You know I've been doing pretty good about holding off until at least WEdnesday before taking the Captain home with me. |
| 22:22.33 | kergoth | FryGuy: a && b || c isnt the same as his function when b is nil or false |
| 22:22.38 | FryGuy | ah |
| 22:22.43 | kergoth | FryGuy: in "a and b or c", c is conditional on both a and b |
| 22:22.45 | kergoth | not just a |
| 22:22.49 | kergoth | so you need the if block |
| 22:22.56 | kergoth | _if_ b can be nil or false |
| 22:22.57 | kergoth | of course :) |
| 22:23.05 | [MoonWolf] | But why do this, this is so bad. |
| 22:23.06 | kergoth | so dont need it everywhere |
| 22:23.08 | FryGuy | i've seen people use something similar to that in code though |
| 22:23.18 | [MoonWolf] | its 3 lines of code ... and he is using a function call for it. |
| 22:23.27 | Tain | It's not even just that, Moon. |
| 22:23.30 | Tain | It's also where he's using it. |
| 22:23.33 | Tain | Everywhere. |
| 22:23.46 | FryGuy | ternary is useful some places |
| 22:24.23 | kergoth | 90% of the time b is never going to be nil or false, or you really want c conditional on both, so you can do it without the if statement even |
| 22:24.33 | [MoonWolf] | I still need to get a feeling for them, I stil write if's in certain places where i think ternary's could be used. but i never really feel comfortable with them. |
| 22:24.53 | kergoth | just remember that "a and b or c" is actually "(a and b) or c" |
| 22:24.58 | kergoth | and you'll be fine |
| 22:25.08 | Tain | There are 27 places he uses TitanUtils_Ternary in Titan |
| 22:25.17 | [MoonWolf] | 27 ? |
| 22:25.32 | FryGuy | in php I use ternary to build strings up |
| 22:25.35 | FryGuy | it's useful there |
| 22:25.36 | [MoonWolf] | original titan bar, not the community things ? |
| 22:26.29 | Tain | This is the last one, 2.13 I think. I think it was id who was downloading it so I figuerd I'd take a look at it. |
| 22:26.36 | Tain | So not the original, no. |
| 22:26.48 | *** join/##ace [MoonWolf] (n=moonwolf@ip51ccaa81.speed.planet.nl) |
| 22:27.14 | [MoonWolf] | note to self, changing wow resolution with the config.wtf file set to read only |
| 22:27.17 | [MoonWolf] | crashes wow |
| 22:27.30 | [MoonWolf] | and you will have to kill your xserver. |
| 22:27.53 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:27.58 | id` | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 22:28.20 | [MoonWolf] | id`, i know |
| 22:28.25 | [MoonWolf] | way better then forced reboot |
| 22:28.29 | [MoonWolf] | but still you lose all your aps |
| 22:29.37 | Tekkub | muahahahahahahaha |
| 22:30.05 | kergoth | tisk, the evil overlord document advises against maniacal laughter |
| 22:30.07 | Tekkub | got it picking up all the numbers from the guy, now I just gotta sort it out, save it, and display it |
| 22:31.05 | [MoonWolf] | is that the one where it has stuff like also killing the children of the families you murder ? |
| 22:31.40 | kergoth | yeah. and always having a 5 year old check your plans, and such |
| 22:31.41 | kergoth | good stuff |
| 22:31.57 | kergoth | http://www.eviloverlord.com/lists/overlord.html |
| 22:32.09 | kergoth | "The artifact which is the source of my power will not be kept on the Mountain of Despair beyond the River of Fire guarded by the Dragons of Eternity. It will be in my safe-deposit box. The same applies to the object which is my one weakness." |
| 22:32.37 | [MoonWolf] | no reverse switches on evil weapons of doom |
| 22:32.42 | [MoonWolf] | i read that |
| 22:32.45 | [MoonWolf] | it was awesome. |
| 22:32.47 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:33.06 | kergoth | "No matter how tempted I am with the prospect of unlimited power, I will not consume any energy field bigger than my head." |
| 22:33.42 | kergoth | hahaha, love this one |
| 22:33.43 | kergoth | "# All bumbling conjurers, clumsy squires, no-talent bards, and cowardly thieves in the land will be preemptively put to death. My foes will surely give up and abandon their quest if they have no source of comic relief." |
| 22:36.51 | [MoonWolf] | Before employing any captured artifacts or machinery, I will carefully read the owner's manual. |
| 22:39.28 | [MoonWolf] | If an attractive young couple enters my realm, I will carefully monitor their activities. If I find they are happy and affectionate, I will ignore them. However if circumstance have forced them together against their will and they spend all their time bickering and criticizing each other except during the intermittent occasions when they are saving each others' lives at which point there are hints of sexual tension, I will immediately orde |
| 22:39.28 | [MoonWolf] | r their execution. |
| 22:45.14 | Tain | Replacing semi-colons from all Titan files lowered the size 4k |
| 22:45.43 | [MoonWolf] | take that |
| 22:45.57 | [MoonWolf] | I can write an addon in that space |
| 22:46.39 | [MoonWolf] | slash.lua is only 7kb |
| 22:48.25 | Tain | Replacing all of the instances of five one-line functions was nother 2k, and that's just from five functions. There's more. |
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| 22:49.22 | [MoonWolf] | Tain, optimize it and release it. |
| 22:49.34 | [MoonWolf] | memory usuage drops alone from that would be welcome |
| 22:50.02 | kergoth | semicolons dont affect memory usage. the other isnt likely to affect it much |
| 22:50.35 | [MoonWolf] | kergoth, don't shatter my dreams. |
| 22:51.04 | kergoth | oops |
| 22:54.05 | [MoonWolf] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.06 | [MoonWolf] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.06 | [MoonWolf] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:54.42 | [MoonWolf] | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:56.28 | Tain | Semicolons are just for me. |
| 22:56.44 | Tain | Cutting down the one line functions too. |
| 22:57.01 | Tain | There's stuff that can be ripped out wholesale though. |
| 22:57.20 | [MoonWolf] | won't that like, break stuff ? |
| 22:57.56 | Tain | I don't think so. |
| 22:58.19 | Tain | I can at the very least make the clock and those other little ones in the corner movable. |
| 22:58.24 | Tain | There's no reason why they're not. |
| 22:58.31 | cladhaire | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.35 | Tain | They're specifcally made un-movable. |
| 22:58.36 | cladhaire | err plugins |
| 22:58.52 | Tain | And adjust this movign people's windows around on them nonsense. |
| 22:58.58 | cladhaire | lol |
| 22:59.09 | cladhaire | but but.. the playerframe needs to go DOWN 36 pixels. |
| 22:59.10 | cladhaire | NOW |
| 22:59.12 | Tain | OH damnit now I want to do it. |
| 22:59.28 | cladhaire | just do it |
| 22:59.29 | cladhaire | do it |
| 22:59.30 | cladhaire | do it |
| 22:59.41 | Tain | Call it, "TitanPanel saved from the monkey poo flingers" |
| 22:59.42 | cladhaire | you know you want to |
| 22:59.45 | cladhaire | you'll be cool if you to |
| 22:59.48 | cladhaire | s/to/do |
| 23:00.01 | Tain | can I be as cool as Saien? |
| 23:00.04 | Cairenn | NO |
| 23:00.06 | Tain | :( |
| 23:00.11 | cladhaire | no |
| 23:00.16 | cladhaire | but you can make a /titan command |
| 23:00.18 | cladhaire | all it does is say |
| 23:00.20 | Tain | haha |
| 23:00.24 | cladhaire | "slash commands are amateurish" |
| 23:00.30 | Tain | haha that would be great. |
| 23:00.34 | cladhaire | ... |
| 23:00.35 | Cairenn | lol |
| 23:00.36 | cladhaire | i'm not kidding. |
| 23:00.37 | cladhaire | do it. |
| 23:00.38 | cladhaire | NOW |
| 23:00.43 | Tain | Ok I'm going home from work now. :) |
| 23:00.44 | kergoth | http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic |
| 23:00.48 | Cairenn | go Tain, Go Tain, Go Tain! |
| 23:01.07 | kergoth | haha -> http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2006/01/06 |
| 23:01.12 | kergoth | gotta love PA |
| 23:03.50 | id` | personally i like VG cats better |
| 23:04.12 | [MoonWolf] | id`, hear hear |
| 23:05.26 | Tekkub | Tainy, one thing you must do if you're making an aced/slimmed titan |
| 23:05.38 | Tekkub | allow my to allign any plugin to the right |
| 23:06.00 | [MoonWolf] | YES |
| 23:06.28 | *** join/##ace zeke_ (n=zeke@bi01p1.nc.us.ibm.com) |
| 23:06.28 | Tekkub | and for the love of god take EVERY SINGLE PLUGIN and make it it's own mod |
| 23:06.51 | zeke_ | hey guys! as usual I log into irc because I have a question :D |
| 23:06.59 | Tekkub | 12, there |
| 23:07.00 | [MoonWolf] | 42 |
| 23:07.03 | Tekkub | now begone! |
| 23:07.12 | Tekkub | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:07.16 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, you are ofcourse mistaken. |
| 23:07.21 | kergoth | ~answer |
| 23:07.22 | purl | 42 |
| 23:07.24 | zeke_ | seriously though my question does involve numbers |
| 23:07.25 | kergoth | :D |
| 23:07.26 | [MoonWolf] | SEE! |
| 23:07.26 | kergoth | ~botsnack |
| 23:07.27 | purl | kergoth: :) |
| 23:07.27 | id` | :D |
| 23:07.32 | Tekkub | no, his question is not as great as 42 |
| 23:07.36 | zeke_ | but I dont think that set of numbers answers my particular question |
| 23:07.46 | Tekkub | 3.1415926535 |
| 23:07.50 | Tekkub | 2.414 |
| 23:07.52 | zeke_ | I didn't ask "whats the meaning of life, the universe, and everything" |
| 23:07.54 | Tekkub | uh... |
| 23:08.00 | [MoonWolf] | purl 42 / 12 |
| 23:08.01 | purl | 3.5 |
| 23:08.07 | Tekkub | 1 1 2 3 5 8 13 21 .. |
| 23:08.11 | [MoonWolf] | that is your awnser right there. |
| 23:08.26 | [MoonWolf] | but, shoot. |
| 23:08.38 | zeke_ | ok so what resolution does the UI think it's running at? native? 1024x768? 1280x1024? |
| 23:08.48 | id` | ouch |
| 23:08.48 | id` | :p |
| 23:08.50 | [MoonWolf] | 1024 for 4:3 settings |
| 23:08.50 | kergoth | Tekkub: whats the name of that series again? my memory fails me |
| 23:08.51 | Tekkub | "the UI thing" ? |
| 23:08.54 | kergoth | :P |
| 23:09.02 | Tekkub | fibinocchi (sp?) |
| 23:09.03 | zeke_ | I didn't say think |
| 23:09.04 | zeke_ | err |
| 23:09.05 | zeke_ | thing |
| 23:09.06 | id` | im at 16:10 what does it think its at? |
| 23:09.07 | zeke_ | I did say think |
| 23:09.21 | kergoth | i hate 1280x1024. damn screwy aspect. 1280x960 is where its at |
| 23:09.30 | Tekkub | 2048x768! |
| 23:09.42 | [MoonWolf] | 1280x1024 is the win. |
| 23:09.53 | zeke_ | yeah that's nice and all but for the purposes of making stuff in XML what resolution does the UI pretend to be |
| 23:10.00 | [MoonWolf] | 1024 for 4:3 settings |
| 23:10.09 | [MoonWolf] | 1024x786 for 4:3 settings |
| 23:10.13 | zeke_ | ok |
| 23:10.17 | kergoth | actually, i like 1280x768, but thast due to my monitor having an aspect ratio other than 4:3 |
| 23:10.17 | Tekkub | why don't you just ask the UI? |
| 23:10.18 | [MoonWolf] | 768 even. |
| 23:10.25 | kergoth | tekkub, you and your craaazy ideas |
| 23:10.26 | Tekkub | GetScreenHeight() and GetScreenWidth() |
| 23:10.33 | zeke_ | oooh what an amazing thought. |
| 23:10.42 | cladhaire | should I release TItanXP? |
| 23:11.00 | Tekkub | yes, but call it TitanVista |
| 23:11.02 | zeke_ | can you call GetScreenHeight() and GetScreenWidth() from xml? |
| 23:11.08 | cladhaire | haha |
| 23:11.15 | Tekkub | can you use lua in xml? |
| 23:11.20 | [MoonWolf] | yes |
| 23:11.21 | zeke_ | in some cases |
| 23:11.26 | zeke_ | afaik |
| 23:11.26 | zeke_ | hehe |
| 23:11.27 | cladhaire | it just makes a replica of the experience bar, and attaches it as a background to TitanPanel |
| 23:11.29 | Tekkub | then sometimes ^^ |
| 23:11.53 | kergoth | as a background? doesnt that make the text hard to read? |
| 23:11.59 | cladhaire | not at all |
| 23:12.09 | Tekkub | clad, it look like Baldies? |
| 23:12.13 | zeke_ | sooo I can do things like set the width of a frame by calling GetScreenWidth() and doing math on it to have my frame a % of the screen? :D |
| 23:12.16 | cladhaire | baldies? |
| 23:12.38 | Tekkub | oh and please give some means of setting the bar width, I don't want it to take the whole screen |
| 23:12.48 | Tekkub | Bhaldie |
| 23:12.53 | Tekkub | aka Baldie |
| 23:12.56 | cladhaire | ... |
| 23:12.58 | cladhaire | i'm confused. |
| 23:13.07 | Tekkub | anywho hubby wants to molester me brb |
| 23:13.23 | Tekkub | <--- confused too |
| 23:13.44 | cladhaire | k |
| 23:14.52 | zeke_ | <Size><AbsDimension x=GetScreenWidth()/9 y=GetScreenHeight()/3></Size> |
| 23:15.07 | zeke_ | for example |
| 23:15.13 | id` | use " |
| 23:15.15 | id` | :P |
| 23:15.37 | zeke_ | Didn't know if the XML engine would parse Lua from inside "" |
| 23:16.06 | kergoth | doubt it |
| 23:16.41 | cladhaire | it won't. |
| 23:16.55 | cladhaire | you can only use LUA in <Scripts> om tjhe xml |
| 23:17.11 | cladhaire | which are just parsed dumped and run |
| 23:17.19 | zeke_ | aha! see! |
| 23:17.23 | zeke_ | I didn't think it would work |
| 23:17.34 | kergoth | just set your width and height in onload or something |
| 23:17.47 | cladhaire | dont do ANYTHING in sml |
| 23:17.48 | cladhaire | xml |
| 23:17.51 | cladhaire | seriously |
| 23:17.54 | cladhaire | no sizes, no anchors. |
| 23:17.56 | cladhaire | do it all in lua |
| 23:18.18 | cladhaire | especially in 1.10 when we can create frames in lua |
| 23:18.43 | kergoth | gonna be doing all sorts of crazy shit then. too bad you cant destroy them though :) |
| 23:19.21 | zeke_ | Yeah...I'm looking forward to that. |
| 23:19.50 | id` | *weep* |
| 23:19.52 | id` | *cry* |
| 23:20.02 | zeke_ | why do you think I'm asking all these questions |
| 23:20.03 | id` | *moan* |
| 23:20.10 | zeke_ | I'm better off doing all this myself than using DUF or DART |
| 23:20.18 | thalin | there :p |
| 23:20.24 | id` | ;O |
| 23:20.25 | kergoth | what the fuck |
| 23:20.25 | kergoth | http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060109/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_economy_wealth |
| 23:20.29 | cladhaire | DART == lua anchoring for newbies |
| 23:20.46 | thalin | yes and until I started doing all this stuff I was indeed a newbie. |
| 23:21.00 | thalin | to the UI anyway |
| 23:21.00 | cladhaire | wow.. lottery == idiot tax |
| 23:21.07 | id` | i started with visor |
| 23:21.16 | id` | when i asked rowne if he could implement buttons in it |
| 23:21.17 | kergoth | more than one in five americans think its the most practical way to get wealthy. my god. |
| 23:21.18 | id` | :< |
| 23:21.27 | thalin | I started with...uh... |
| 23:21.33 | kergoth | that even astounds me, and i have very little confidence in humanity |
| 23:21.34 | cladhaire | thats really sad |
| 23:21.43 | thalin | gypsy mod was the first UI mod I ever used and that was a whole package |
| 23:21.47 | [MoonWolf] | kergoth, i thought you lost all of it. |
| 23:22.01 | kergoth | apparently not |
| 23:22.03 | kergoth | just lost some more |
| 23:22.04 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:22.19 | [MoonWolf] | going into negatives ? |
| 23:22.24 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:22.29 | id` | kergoth, i just read your penny arcade link |
| 23:22.38 | thalin | faith in humanity is misplaced at best |
| 23:22.43 | id` | HAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAH |
| 23:22.45 | id` | *gasp* |
| 23:22.54 | kergoth | hehe |
| 23:23.05 | [MoonWolf] | breathe id` breathe |
| 23:23.06 | cladhaire | Gypsy rocked. |
| 23:23.15 | [MoonWolf] | Gypsy buff display still rocks |
| 23:23.17 | id` | how i love comics like that |
| 23:23.18 | id` | :< |
| 23:23.20 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 23:23.26 | id` | they seriously need RSS for that |
| 23:23.33 | id` | and i might start using RSS |
| 23:23.33 | id` | ;x |
| 23:23.48 | id` | and i want silly XP popups with it too |
| 23:23.50 | id` | :D |
| 23:24.00 | id` | (the balloons) |
| 23:24.13 | [MoonWolf] | id`, BLOAT |
| 23:24.20 | id` | so? |
| 23:24.21 | id` | funney |
| 23:24.22 | id` | :p |
| 23:24.29 | id` | wow that came from my mouth |
| 23:24.55 | id` | im bwiffinf my fweef |
| 23:25.42 | [MoonWolf] | now that made little sense |
| 23:27.11 | thalin | he's gnawing on his feer. |
| 23:27.12 | thalin | err |
| 23:27.14 | thalin | feet |
| 23:27.22 | thalin | the keys are like, right next to each other! |
| 23:27.41 | [MoonWolf] | ~slasdot |
| 23:28.01 | [MoonWolf] | ~slashdot |
| 23:28.17 | [MoonWolf] | Want a Cool and Quiet PC? Dunk it in Oil <- old |
| 23:28.28 | [MoonWolf] | new w Fatal1ty Gaming Mouse <- dont buy it it will suck |
| 23:30.21 | Tekkub | hrm... |
| 23:30.30 | Tekkub | I don't think one glass of wine was enough |
| 23:30.35 | Tekkub | my mod still works |
| 23:30.43 | Tekkub | not throwing odd errors yet |
| 23:31.04 | [MoonWolf] | lol |
| 23:31.52 | id` | i g2g |
| 23:31.56 | Tekkub | White Zin is just too good :) |
| 23:32.01 | id` | nn |
| 23:32.07 | Tekkub | olilybb! |
| 23:33.04 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, drink something stronger. |
| 23:33.18 | Tekkub | uhm... |
| 23:33.26 | Tekkub | okey let me put it this way |
| 23:33.35 | Tekkub | he got the BIG bottle... |
| 23:33.43 | Tekkub | and I got a FULL glass this time... |
| 23:33.51 | Tekkub | and it was a good 1/6 of the bottle |
| 23:34.05 | Tekkub | I think it's about 2.5-3 full glasses of wine here.... |
| 23:34.17 | Tekkub | we have big wineglasses :) |
| 23:34.26 | [MoonWolf] | well, no kidding |
| 23:34.45 | Tekkub | :) |
| 23:34.49 | cladhaire | sounds yummy |
| 23:35.00 | Tekkub | I might be a lush, but I'm a classy lush, no beer for me ^^ |
| 23:35.44 | Tekkub | at least it's not wine-in-a-box |
| 23:36.02 | cladhaire | dont dis winein a box |
| 23:36.14 | Tekkub | hehe |
| 23:36.38 | Tekkub | don't worry, it's bottled wine, but not corked, screwcap |
| 23:36.50 | Tekkub | only one tiny step above boxed wine |
| 23:39.53 | pagefault | hey ag`^ |
| 23:44.46 | cladhaire | mmm pizza |
| 23:45.40 | [MoonWolf] | happy happy joy joy, |
| 23:45.41 | [MoonWolf] | happy happy joy joy, |
| 23:45.42 | [MoonWolf] | happy happy joy joy, |
| 23:46.12 | pagefault | mmm beer |
| 23:46.14 | pagefault | time to melt some epics |
| 23:46.21 | Tekkub | mmmm bear |
| 23:46.23 | Tekkub | *growl* |
| 23:48.43 | ag`^ | pagefault, hi |
| 23:48.56 | kergoth | foobar |
| 23:48.58 | kergoth | s/foo/blah/ |
| 23:49.03 | pagefault | ag`^, the addon is working great |
| 23:49.09 | ag`^ | pagefault, good to hear :D |
| 23:49.18 | Tekkub | oh noes! |
| 23:49.20 | pagefault | but I was wondering, is there any way to stop the text from fading out? |
| 23:49.28 | Tekkub | my glass is empty and my mod isn't done |
| 23:49.32 | Tekkub | what do I do? |
| 23:49.38 | ag`^ | pagefault, not unless I add it as an option :P |
| 23:49.46 | kergoth | i find alcohol helps coming up with _ideas_ for code, just not the code itself |
| 23:49.47 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:49.53 | pagefault | ahh hhe |
| 23:49.55 | pagefault | hehe |
| 23:49.57 | Tekkub | bah what do you know |
| 23:50.07 | Tekkub | I can still type fine it seems |
| 23:50.17 | Tekkub | in fact, I'm typing better than normally.... |
| 23:50.26 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, medical alcohol and a syringe. |
| 23:50.30 | Tekkub | yup, not enough alchy |
| 23:50.35 | Tekkub | brb |
| 23:51.38 | Tekkub | White Zin FTW! *giggle* |
| 23:51.46 | pagefault | white zin? |
| 23:51.52 | Tekkub | yes |
| 23:51.55 | Tekkub | wine :) |
| 23:51.59 | pagefault | ahh |
| 23:52.02 | Tekkub | White Zinfindel (sp?) |
| 23:52.09 | kergoth | i need to pick up some shirts from tshirthell one of these days. probably once i'm settled in az for a while |
| 23:52.17 | pagefault | i'm more of a beer person myself |
| 23:52.28 | Tekkub | I'm a bear person *rawr* |
| 23:52.52 | Tekkub | I much prefer wine, I was raised on my dad's homebrew wine |
| 23:52.54 | [MoonWolf] | kergoth, what is the dress code for your new job ? |
| 23:53.02 | kergoth | excellent question |
| 23:53.07 | kergoth | i have the employee manual here |
| 23:53.10 | kergoth | perhaps i should read it |
| 23:53.11 | Tekkub | Dandylion wine sounds aweful, but it's surprizingly good |
| 23:53.34 | Tekkub | also chokecherry and rhubarb wine rock |
| 23:54.13 | Tekkub | I've always wanted a "if you can read this the bitch fell off" shirt |
| 23:54.34 | Tekkub | but then I've always liked biker daddies |
| 23:54.34 | [MoonWolf] | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=317 |
| 23:55.15 | pagefault | kergoth, we need rangecheck in the addons, it's so useful :) |
| 23:55.31 | [MoonWolf] | Tekkub, http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=12 |
| 23:55.52 | [MoonWolf] | sorry no bear shirts |
| 23:56.00 | pagefault | roar |
| 23:57.01 | Tekkub | http://www.tshirthell.com/store/product.php?productid=517 |
| 23:57.17 | Tekkub | there was a lady in a wheelchair at the chineese resturant sat |
| 23:57.26 | Tekkub | had a shit with the logo... |
| 23:57.36 | Tekkub | and the person fallen out of the wheelchair |
| 23:57.44 | Tekkub | said "I hate it when that happens" |
| 23:57.56 | Tekkub | shirt even.... |
