| 00:10.37 | Tem | oh I remembered what I wanted to tell kael |
| 00:10.44 | Tem | ...and he's not here |
| 00:10.48 | Tem | damni |
| 00:10.50 | Tem | t! |
| 00:11.00 | cladhaire | lol |
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| 00:23.09 | [Matryx] | ok - AceGUI Tutorial part 2 up on the wiki |
| 00:23.18 | [Matryx] | now I'm really tired :) so I'm off to bed |
| 00:23.57 | Cair | night Matryx |
| 00:24.03 | cladhaire | night |
| 00:24.06 | [Matryx] | =) nn |
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| 01:27.31 | Tem | ~logs |
| 01:27.33 | purl | apt/ibot/jbot/purl all log to http://ibot.rikers.org/<channelname>/ where channelname is html encoded ie: %23debian | lines that start with a space are not shown | some channels have stats at http://ibot.rikers.org/stats/<channelname>.html.gz, or updated "nightly" |
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| 02:09.44 | Kaelten | hey guys |
| 02:10.39 | Cair | hey Kaelten |
| 02:11.18 | [Matryx] | ooo |
| 02:11.34 | [Matryx] | Kaelten - could you make me an admin on the wiki so I can remove dead pages etc? |
| 02:11.44 | Kaelten | hi matryx, thanks for all the work on the wiki |
| 02:11.49 | [Matryx] | =) you're welcome |
| 02:11.55 | [Matryx] | it's been fun working on it to be honest :) |
| 02:12.30 | Kaelten | cool |
| 02:12.37 | Kaelten | I'm just hoping it will be easy to moe. |
| 02:12.51 | [Matryx] | to moe? |
| 02:13.49 | Kaelten | to move |
| 02:14.07 | [Matryx] | ah - I don't imagine it would be too difficult. I assume it runs from a database backend? |
| 02:14.28 | [Matryx] | anyway, I really need to Z now, 2:14am and I'm up in 4.5 hrs! |
| 02:14.29 | Kaelten | think so. |
| 02:14.34 | Kaelten | lol, good luck. |
| 02:14.36 | Kaelten | before you run though |
| 02:14.40 | [Matryx] | yes? |
| 02:14.58 | Kaelten | just wanted to tell everyone that I found a new server for ace that will let me run subversion |
| 02:15.09 | [Matryx] | subversion? |
| 02:15.17 | [Matryx] | oh |
| 02:15.17 | Kaelten | I'm going to test it out for a little bit and see how it works and after that is done I'll move wowace over to em. |
| 02:15.19 | Kaelten | svn |
| 02:15.22 | [Matryx] | the svn |
| 02:15.23 | [Matryx] | *nod* |
| 02:15.42 | [Matryx] | ok, well keep the forum posted on progress, I usually try and check it during the day |
| 02:16.07 | Cair | Kael ... |
| 02:16.11 | cladhaire | Kael: sweet! |
| 02:16.14 | Cair | *slaps you around* |
| 02:16.16 | Kaelten | yes Cair? |
| 02:16.20 | cladhaire | lol |
| 02:16.25 | cladhaire | she abuses you so =) |
| 02:16.32 | Kaelten | I tried to talk to dolby about it, he said it confuses him |
| 02:16.33 | Cair | and he loves every minute of it, too |
| 02:16.45 | Cair | okay, so you *did* at least talk to him, though, right? |
| 02:16.48 | Kaelten | yep |
| 02:16.55 | Cair | because I didn't see anything more on the thread ... |
| 02:17.03 | Kaelten | me and him chatted in IM's |
| 02:17.07 | Cair | k |
| 02:17.13 | Cair | forgiven then |
| 02:17.24 | cladhaire | u can still beat him |
| 02:17.27 | cladhaire | you have my permission |
| 02:17.39 | Kaelten | and mine |
| 02:17.43 | Cair | and now I'll stop abusing the Ace channel about WoWI stuff, sorry |
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| 02:28.26 | Stunlock | le sigh, so much to do to sort out joining a community |
| 02:30.04 | Stunlock | Oh good. nickserv is relatively painless ^^ |
| 02:36.41 | Parak | hrm, what's a good way to attach a bunch of visoractionbuttons to each other so that moving any of them (or a particular one) will move the whole thing? |
| 02:37.29 | cladhaire | you can reparent them using a range |
| 02:37.37 | cladhaire | to another button |
| 02:39.25 | cladhaire | do you happen to have a link to to the visor tips and tricks wiki? |
| 02:39.46 | Stunlock | mmm, is there, or even would there be any point in, a mod that allows you to create button bars/clusters. I mean like a set of base functions similar to those in AUF, but well, for action buttons |
| 02:40.07 | Parak | https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/Ace/trac.cgi/wiki/VisorTipsAndTricks ? |
| 02:40.15 | cladhaire | yep |
| 02:40.16 | cladhaire | brb |
| 02:42.20 | cladhaire | http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=361&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=75 |
| 02:46.00 | Parak | hurf |
| 02:46.11 | Parak | that's for older visor though, hmm |
| 02:46.44 | cladhaire | but the same concepts apply |
| 02:46.48 | Parak | should I just replace the #'s with spaces? |
| 02:46.51 | cladhaire | i just dont have visor installd atm.. so i dont haveanything i can test for ya |
| 02:46.54 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 02:46.57 | cladhaire | that should work |
| 02:47.15 | Stunlock | # with spaces and encapsulate any ' ''s with " " |
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| 02:49.17 | *** topic/##ace is Ace is a lightweight and powerful system for building World of Warcraft addons | http://www.wowace.com/ | http://ace.pastebin.com/ |
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| 03:18.21 | Stunlock | never mind, found the right frame ^_^ |
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| 04:57.09 | Tem | wow haven't seen you here |
| 04:57.19 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 04:57.22 | purl | I'm so hungry I could ride a horse. I don't get it. Well, I could ride it to the store, I guess. |
| 04:57.46 | Ramble | yea, it's been a while since I've been |
| 04:57.47 | Ramble | her |
| 04:57.48 | Ramble | e |
| 04:59.12 | Tem | kergoth: what's remulate? |
| 04:59.20 | Tem | ~literal remulate |
| 04:59.22 | purl | "remulate" is "<reply> see emulate stewie || <reply> see emulate chris || <reply> see emulate gir || <reply> see emulate ash || <reply> see emulate zim || <reply> see emulate fry" |
| 04:59.25 | kergoth | :) |
| 04:59.34 | Tem | nice |
| 04:59.34 | Ramble | hah |
| 04:59.40 | Tem | I like that |
| 04:59.45 | Ramble | ~emulate gir |
| 04:59.47 | purl | dooom doooom doom |
| 04:59.47 | Tem | need to add emulate bender |
| 04:59.51 | Ramble | :-D |
| 04:59.53 | kergoth | sometimes i just want an amusing quote, and dont much care who it is |
| 04:59.53 | Tem | ~emulate bender |
| 04:59.55 | purl | Oh cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for who the bone bones; it bones for thee! |
| 04:59.55 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 04:59.56 | purl | dooom doooom doom |
| 04:59.59 | kergoth | hehe |
| 05:00.12 | Tem | ~remulate |
| 05:00.14 | purl | THE CANDY ZOMBIES! |
| 05:00.18 | Tem | :) |
| 05:00.38 | kergoth | yay |
| 05:00.43 | kergoth | bot abuse for teh lazy |
| 05:00.49 | Ramble | hehe |
| 05:00.54 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 05:00.56 | purl | It's like an orgy in my mouth! |
| 05:02.15 | Ramble | ... I've got a problem with some of my code that's really bothering me.... |
| 05:02.31 | Tem | what's that? |
| 05:02.44 | Ramble | I've got an ItemButton, I've added a Cooldown Frame to it, and I set the cooldown, the timer starts and it works... except... |
| 05:03.00 | Ramble | the cooldown animation shows behind the IconTexture so you can't see it |
| 05:03.11 | Ramble | and I don't know how to fix that at all :-/ |
| 05:03.47 | Ramble | this is in my sorted inventory, I'll see if I can make a simpler addon that has this problem. |
| 05:08.47 | kergoth | sorted inventory? are you doing something like EI? |
| 05:08.58 | Ramble | ... yes, sorta. |
| 05:09.02 | kergoth | nifty |
| 05:09.17 | Ramble | http://people.ucsc.edu/~tgerdes/teaser.jpg |
| 05:09.27 | Ramble | http://people.ucsc.edu/~tgerdes/InvSort.zip if you wanna look at it |
| 05:10.28 | Ramble | ... cooldown frames run relative to GetTime() right? |
| 05:10.56 | Tem | Ramble: try playing with frame stratum of your icon texture and cooldown frame |
| 05:11.26 | Ramble | yea..hrm |
| 05:15.37 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 05:15.47 | kergoth | theres quite a bit in common between an addon like autobar and an addon like EI |
| 05:16.15 | kergoth | both essentially item categorization systems, both supporting user customization (to a certain extent) of what goes in what categories.. just autobar "collapses" a category into one button |
| 05:16.47 | Ramble | Tem: I set frameStrata of the Cooldown to HIGH, that seems to do it, I think that's enough to satisfy me |
| 05:18.09 | Ramble | yes, that's sort of what I'm going for kergoth |
| 05:18.43 | kergoth | ooh, you could have a button that collapses a given category into a button, based on a priority order, then when you mouse over it, it pops out and shows you everything in that category |
| 05:18.46 | kergoth | nice |
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| 05:20.37 | Tem | kergoth: |
| 05:20.52 | Tem | you never uploaded AceGUI to the SVN as keal asked |
| 05:20.56 | kergoth | oops |
| 05:21.03 | Tem | yeah, oops |
| 05:21.14 | kergoth | 0.90 is new and 0.100 is old? |
| 05:21.18 | kergoth | that versioning confuses me |
| 05:21.27 | kergoth | just need to clarify so i import in the correct order |
| 05:21.40 | Tem | The version number was reverted to .90 in the latest release |
| 05:25.26 | Ramble | ... I need to convert this over to use AceGUI |
| 05:27.07 | Tem | I'm about to do some serious development in AceGUI |
| 05:27.09 | Tem | I can't wai |
| 05:27.10 | Tem | t |
| 05:27.21 | Ramble | hehe, yeah? what're you working on? |
| 05:28.02 | Codayus | I have *got* to learn AceGUI. |
| 05:28.14 | Codayus | But everytime I find myself with some time to sit down and really fiddle with it... |
| 05:28.17 | Tem | I'm about to add FontString support |
| 05:28.18 | Codayus | ...I end up playing WoW instead. |
| 05:28.22 | Tem | then Texture Support |
| 05:28.31 | Tem | then I'm making AceGUIMoney Frame |
| 05:28.39 | Tem | then I'm making AceGUISpreadSheet |
| 05:28.54 | Ramble | I was a bit intimidated to start with AceGUI for my inventory window because I've done so much of it already with MyInventory and MyBags already, but for the Configuration window it seems like there's no alternative than to use AceGUI |
| 05:29.00 | Ramble | haha, are you shitting me? |
| 05:29.05 | Ramble | SpreadSheet? |
| 05:29.11 | Tem | yeah |
| 05:29.26 | Tem | it's going to be a table |
| 05:29.36 | Tem | with dragable collumns |
| 05:29.41 | Codayus | ... |
| 05:29.45 | Ramble | niceness |
| 05:29.45 | Tem | resizeable columns |
| 05:29.45 | Codayus | you wearn't kidding? |
| 05:29.47 | Codayus | Dude! |
| 05:29.58 | Codayus | That's...impressive. Or sick. I'm not sure which. :-) |
| 05:30.03 | Tem | Open iTunes, and play with their collumns |
| 05:30.09 | Tem | I'm emulating that |
| 05:30.41 | Ramble | woot, that's awesome. ... and I"ve been meaning to say thanks for asking for stack trace back.. .I've been wanting that for soooo long... |
| 05:30.50 | kergoth | Codayus: impressive? sick? i'd say both :) |
| 05:30.59 | Codayus | ...yes, alright, I'll buy that. |
| 05:31.08 | Tem | hehe |
| 05:31.19 | Tem | now we just need to make rowne use it |
| 05:31.25 | Tem | in BugSack |
| 05:31.33 | Tem | on that reminds me I wanted to hack bugsack too |
| 05:31.37 | Ramble | I could hit that up |
| 05:31.41 | Ramble | what do you want in BugSack? |
| 05:31.57 | Tem | Instead of saying "An error has been recorded" print the error |
| 05:32.00 | kergoth | "Jack Off Jill" is such a great band name |
| 05:32.05 | Ramble | ... I always wanted my Bugs to print overhead, I never got around to doing it |
| 05:32.10 | Ramble | or in the Chat Frame yea |
| 05:32.54 | Tem | oh kergoth I wanna hear your thoughts on this |
| 05:33.39 | Tem | In order to get complete support for fontstrings I'm going to need to encapsulated them in frames |
| 05:34.01 | Tem | but I need the lua class to be able to handle both a fontstring and a frame with a fontstring element |
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| 05:36.29 | Ramble | um.. where is the SVN? |
| 05:36.35 | Tem | so I'm thinking about setting the encapsulating frame's metatable's __index method to check frame.text |
| 05:36.48 | Tem | https://opensvn.csie.org/Ace/ |
| 05:37.35 | Ramble | I think I broke TortoiseSVN, doesn't ever let me do anything there anymore |
| 05:39.29 | Ramble | Tem: for your Spreadsheet... is it going to let you put anything in it? .... is each cell going to behave like a frame of it's own? |
| 05:39.48 | Tem | each cell is anything you want it to be |
| 05:39.54 | Ramble | woo; sounds like fun. |
| 05:40.30 | Tem | they will need to be standardly named |
| 05:40.33 | Tem | but that's about it |
| 05:41.30 | Ramble | ok cool. |
| 05:41.46 | Ramble | ... I need to figure out what I can and can't do with AceGUI. |
| 05:42.48 | Tem | trying to cut down on the "can't" part |
| 05:44.22 | Ramble | hehe, I'll do my best |
| 05:44.38 | Ramble | well, one of the biggest things I wasn't sure if I could do or not... |
| 05:44.47 | Ramble | was include things like ItemButtons |
| 05:45.08 | Tem | well it doesn't by default support them |
| 05:45.17 | Tem | but it probably wouldn't be that hard to build them in |
| 05:46.40 | Ramble | yea... actually come to think of it, I actually need ItemButtons in my config window too |
| 05:47.03 | Tem | I'm not saying AceGUI needs to be patched to support them |
| 05:47.26 | Tem | I'm just saying you would need to make your own template for it and tell AceGUI that it's an ACEGUI_BUTTON |
| 05:47.39 | Tem | it will be fine that way |
| 05:47.59 | Ramble | ok... I'll have to play with it yea |
| 05:48.24 | Tem | kergoth: did you put AceGUI in the SVN yet? |
| 05:54.31 | Stylpe | Does anyone here have any experience with making dvd-movies? |
| 05:54.58 | Codayus | Yes |
| 05:55.10 | Codayus | Why? |
| 05:55.36 | Stylpe | Can I any movie file to make a dvd? |
| 05:55.41 | Stylpe | *use any |
| 05:55.56 | Stylpe | I'm making a (cheap) christmas present =) |
| 05:56.08 | Codayus | Um, yes and no. |
| 05:56.09 | Stylpe | and I have loads of roadrunner episodes |
| 05:56.24 | Codayus | You need to transcode your source video to match DVD specs. |
| 05:56.37 | Stylpe | oh bum |
| 05:56.44 | Codayus | That isn't very hard through. |
| 05:56.49 | Stylpe | that takes forever |
| 05:57.03 | Codayus | But yes, it can take a while. |
| 05:58.09 | Codayus | It requires a specific resolution and codec; no way to get around that. |
| 05:58.22 | Stylpe | Any particular software you'd recommend I use? |
| 05:58.33 | Codayus | Adobe Encore is quite good for building DVD menus. |
| 05:59.15 | Codayus | It also handles transcoding very nicely. It's not very cheap, but they do offer a time-limited trial version - gives you the full capabilities for a couple weeks or so, then stops and requires you to register. |
| 05:59.32 | Codayus | But that's more than enough to handle making a Christmas present. |
| 05:59.44 | Stylpe | I suppose |
| 06:00.03 | Tain | http://www.videohelp.com/ - All the video guides you'll ever need |
| 06:01.13 | Codayus | If you don't much care about creating really slick complex menus, there's certainly something that's cheaper (probably something free) that'll do the transcoding just fine. Not sure how user friendly it'll be. |
| 06:02.21 | Tain | There's a lot of good extremly user-friendly free tools out there now. |
| 06:02.27 | Codayus | (I'm 90% sure there are GPLed tools for Linux at least that'll work. Unfortunatly, while I <3 Linux, I've never tried to fiddle with DVD creation on it, and couldn't even begin to help you.) |
| 06:02.48 | Codayus | Oh! One last piece of advice. |
| 06:03.02 | Codayus | You may find a copy of some tools by Roxio - they came with my DVD burner, for example. |
| 06:03.13 | Codayus | They will appear to work, and you may be tempted to try and use them. |
| 06:03.15 | Codayus | Do not use them. |
| 06:03.19 | Stylpe | haha' |
| 06:04.06 | Codayus | Don't install them. Don't use them. Try not to look at them if possible. They suck with a suckiness which defies description. |
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| 06:53.27 | Tem | so Eraphine|Disco I must know, do you live at a disco? |
| 06:53.38 | Tem | because you are always at once it seems |
| 06:53.45 | Tem | s/once/one/ |
| 06:53.51 | Tain | He likes to boogie. |
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| 09:20.03 | Tem | Well, I'm almost done with AceGUIFontString |
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| 11:21.03 | MatryxWrk | cor my eyes are so dry |
| 11:28.25 | MatryxWrk | full of sex? :O |
| 11:28.40 | Tekkub | nah no sex tonight |
| 11:28.45 | Tekkub | went to see Narnia |
| 11:29.36 | Tekkub | tha bastards gave us bullshit about our debit card, I love morons that don't get that it'll go thru as a Mastercard Credit |
| 11:29.51 | MatryxWrk | le sigh |
| 11:29.53 | Tekkub | no, I don't know my pin, I don't have to use my pin... |
| 11:29.57 | MatryxWrk | there's always one isn't there |
| 11:30.02 | Tekkub | so fuck them, I'm downloading it |
| 11:30.26 | Tekkub | I _TRIED_ to pay for the movie, but I guess they don't want my money! |
| 11:30.38 | Tekkub | watched Aeon Flux instead :) |
| 11:30.52 | Tekkub | and had good pork for dinner |
| 11:31.38 | Tekkub | Alliance, tho other other OTHER white meat |
| 11:32.12 | Tekkub | I need to learn what kind of wines I like... got some semi-sweet stuff tonight, it wasn't that good |
| 11:32.30 | Tekkub | the hubby don't like dry-er wine so we tried this, and he didn't drink any |
| 11:33.05 | MatryxWrk | hmm |
| 11:33.24 | MatryxWrk | though I haven't had any wine for years (stopped drinking alcohol years ago) I always preferred crisp over sweet wines |
| 11:34.05 | Tekkub | :) I figger if I'm gonna be a drunk I should do it in class :) |
| 11:34.27 | Tekkub | none of that 12-pack of Budwiser crap |
| 11:34.29 | MatryxWrk | oh Tekkub - have you seen the wiki yet? |
| 11:34.49 | Tekkub | not tonight, what butcher have you done? |
| 11:34.52 | MatryxWrk | http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/Addons |
| 11:34.55 | MatryxWrk | at the bottom |
| 11:35.05 | MatryxWrk | I just put a stub linking to a non existant page for your warmup mod |
| 11:35.13 | MatryxWrk | that was a couple of days ago |
| 11:35.16 | Tekkub | heh |
| 11:35.20 | Tekkub | you know what I want |
| 11:35.31 | Tekkub | to be able to upload there |
| 11:35.34 | MatryxWrk | so I'm now using forum threads for addon discussion, and the wiki pages for information |
| 11:35.45 | MatryxWrk | yeah - I've pestered Kaelten - he's investigating file uploads |
| 11:35.46 | Tekkub | I'm sick of updating all these diff sites |
| 11:36.19 | Tekkub | I wanna just hop on and post a quick "go here for details" link :) |
| 11:36.37 | Tekkub | and only maintain one page |
| 11:36.40 | MatryxWrk | that's what I've changed my forum thread to |
| 11:36.49 | MatryxWrk | http://www.wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=10418#10418 |
| 11:36.51 | MatryxWrk | :) |
| 11:36.57 | Tekkub | and the wiki will do whatever I want, I dont' have to make suggestions to site devs |
| 11:36.59 | MatryxWrk | just a quick quote summary and a link |
| 11:37.42 | Tekkub | hrm... odd |
| 11:37.50 | Tekkub | my can smells like incense |
| 11:38.04 | Tekkub | little fucker's been playing where he shouldn't be |
| 11:38.27 | Tekkub | you should have seen him last night |
| 11:38.32 | Tekkub | it was classic |
| 11:38.38 | Tekkub | we're a watchin TV |
| 11:38.50 | MatryxWrk | your "cat" smells of incense? |
| 11:38.51 | Tekkub | hear this noise... kinda like a crash bet not... |
| 11:39.19 | Tekkub | yes, we burn incesne from time to time, I think he got in it... |
| 11:39.23 | MatryxWrk | ah |
| 11:39.25 | MatryxWrk | you said can |
| 11:39.26 | Tekkub | anwho... hear this noise |
| 11:39.29 | MatryxWrk | which confused me :) |
| 11:39.42 | Tekkub | my half drunked not type gut |
| 11:40.00 | Tekkub | kitty comes wandering out into the living room |
| 11:40.13 | MatryxWrk | =) |
| 11:40.15 | Tekkub | this look of "what the fuck was that?" |
| 11:40.16 | MatryxWrk | I <3 cats |
| 11:40.20 | MatryxWrk | haha |
| 11:40.24 | Tekkub | dripping wet |
| 11:40.27 | MatryxWrk | cats are great. =) |
| 11:40.39 | Tekkub | seems the hubby forgot to drain the tub after his bath |
| 11:40.43 | MatryxWrk | awwww |
| 11:40.48 | Tekkub | and the dumbass jumped in it |
| 11:40.49 | MatryxWrk | and it jumped in for a drink at the tap? |
| 11:40.53 | MatryxWrk | yeah, mine used to do that |
| 11:41.10 | MatryxWrk | worse, she used to use the toilet as a bounce-pad up to the sink |
| 11:41.15 | MatryxWrk | and someone lef the loo seat up |
| 11:41.18 | Tekkub | he also likes to get ahold of the TP rolls in the cabinet and shred them |
| 11:41.20 | MatryxWrk | *left |
| 11:41.42 | Tekkub | you know how big a double roll is when it's shredded? |
| 11:41.54 | MatryxWrk | heard a splash, then a quick running.... by the time I got to the loo there were only little muddy paw prints in the bowl and leading away to the bedroom ^_^ it was so cute |
| 11:41.55 | MatryxWrk | and yes |
| 11:41.58 | MatryxWrk | looroll++++ |
| 11:43.15 | Tekkub | okey.. .think it's time to go make with the passey outty |
| 11:43.21 | MatryxWrk | :) |
| 11:43.24 | MatryxWrk | enjoy topor |
| 11:43.32 | Tekkub | hopefully tomorrow night I can get Spellcast events done |
| 11:44.20 | Tekkub | I'm close, go targetting all functional, now just gotta work out detecting spellcast start consistantly |
| 11:44.49 | Tekkub | okeyladyIloveyoubuhbye! |
| 11:45.02 | MatryxWrk | ta-ra |
| 12:14.24 | Ramble | ... hrm, Angler probably belongs under Professions. I should fix that (I can probably create a Wiki page too) |
| 12:14.33 | MatryxWrk | oh hiya Ramble |
| 12:14.42 | MatryxWrk | didn't see you here, was just sending you a PM on the forums to ask about that. |
| 12:14.45 | Ramble | ello Matyx |
| 12:14.50 | Ramble | haha, ok |
| 12:15.17 | MatryxWrk | I'll shuffle it down now. |
| 12:15.20 | Ramble | yea... I'm still not even hosting it myself :-[ I'll fix it and throw it up on my own webspage |
| 12:15.49 | Ramble | and I'll go about pillaging your addon page for a template |
| 12:15.53 | MatryxWrk | ^_^ |
| 12:16.07 | MatryxWrk | feel free to do the same for user page too if you like |
| 12:16.08 | Ramble | ... I need a new account for this yes? it's not the same as the forum |
| 12:16.13 | MatryxWrk | correct |
| 12:16.14 | Ramble | Oh ok |
| 12:16.19 | MatryxWrk | top right corner |
| 12:20.10 | MatryxWrk | up to 8 registered users now on the wiki |
| 12:20.12 | MatryxWrk | :) |
| 12:20.30 | Ramble | woo :-) |
| 12:27.02 | MatryxWrk | oh - there's a sandbox http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/Ace_Wiki:Sandbox if you wanted to play around with wiki markup etc |
| 12:27.13 | MatryxWrk | and I linked a nice wikipedia editing guide at the top |
| 12:54.33 | MatryxWrk | Ramble - please see the Talk page on your Angler Addon page http://wiki.wowace.com/index.php/Talk:Angler_Addon |
| 12:54.35 | MatryxWrk | =) |
| 13:01.54 | Ramble | hehe, already done |
| 13:06.56 | MatryxWrk | yeah - I was in two mind about suggesting Features -> Definition list as well, but it does make sense to do it that way. |
| 13:07.11 | MatryxWrk | two minds were "but it's right!" versus "but there's only 2 entries!" |
| 13:07.12 | MatryxWrk | :) |
| 13:07.47 | MatryxWrk | I'll clean up the Talk page now ;) |
| 13:08.29 | Ramble | it looks cleaner with both being the same |
| 13:08.34 | MatryxWrk | *nod* |
| 13:12.32 | MatryxWrk | Ramble: take a look at what adding a colon (:) before each definition line does on the features and modules section.... |
| 13:13.26 | Ramble | add it where? very beginning? |
| 13:13.44 | MatryxWrk | *nod* |
| 13:13.45 | Ramble | oh it indents it? |
| 13:13.48 | MatryxWrk | yeah |
| 13:14.01 | MatryxWrk | might look better being inset from the headings.... |
| 13:14.05 | Ramble | yea that looks nice |
| 13:14.09 | MatryxWrk | just a thought as there's no text to break it up :) |
| 13:14.38 | Ramble | I was wondering... |
| 13:14.43 | MatryxWrk | yes? |
| 13:14.55 | Ramble | We have a link for [[Category:Addons]] , can we have subcategories too? |
| 13:15.02 | Ramble | like [[Category:Addons:Professions]] ? |
| 13:15.02 | MatryxWrk | technically yes |
| 13:15.12 | MatryxWrk | but I'm unsure if we need to at the moment |
| 13:15.24 | MatryxWrk | it would be more like [[Category:Profession Addons]] |
| 13:15.36 | Ramble | ah, ok. |
| 13:15.37 | MatryxWrk | then you just put [[Category:Addons]] in the professions addons category page |
| 13:15.51 | MatryxWrk | if it gets cluttered then I'll move all the relevant pages out to sub-pages |
| 13:15.59 | MatryxWrk | until then I wouldn't worry about it :) |
| 13:16.04 | Ramble | hehe ok |
| 13:16.10 | MatryxWrk | currently we only have two addon pages ;) |
| 13:16.39 | Ramble | hehe indeed |
| 13:19.03 | Ramble | ... I'll put up a page for my InvSort mod too... but don't link it on the main Addons page cause it's not really close to be done |
| 13:19.06 | MatryxWrk | it's quite nice having the headings offset to the left. |
| 13:19.20 | MatryxWrk | ok, well you can link it yourself whenever you want |
| 13:20.52 | Ramble | hehe ah, yeah, that's too bad |
| 13:21.00 | MatryxWrk | real shame that is |
| 13:22.44 | Ramble | ooh.. we can use LaTeX markup in this? awesome |
| 13:23.39 | Ramble | ... hm, let me play with it, I'll put something on the sandbox |
| 13:23.46 | MatryxWrk | =) |
| 13:26.57 | Ramble | hehe, maybe we can't |
| 13:30.20 | Ramble | yea I can't make it work. looks like it just ignores the <math></math> tags |
| 13:30.29 | MatryxWrk | probably installation dependant |
| 13:30.34 | MatryxWrk | by the way, I don't want you to get the impression that I'm a grammar nazi or master-ruler of the wiki. If I see a small error on anyone's page, I'll correct it... if I have a larger suggestion I'll take it to the talk page =) |
| 13:30.58 | MatryxWrk | so if you see me buzzing around your pages addind the occasional space / capital letter / fixing typos, please don't be offended |
| 13:31.04 | MatryxWrk | I do it to all the pages all the time :) |
| 13:31.23 | MatryxWrk | (and others fix my errors too of course!) |
| 13:31.41 | Ramble | no worries that's cool |
| 13:31.44 | Ramble | that's what wikis are for |
| 13:38.00 | MatryxWrk | rofl - thanks for link fixing ;) |
| 13:38.54 | Ramble | hehe ;-) |
| 13:42.01 | Ramble | whoops. broke my webspace again... hrm... how do I set ACLs for afs again... |
| 13:43.27 | MatryxWrk | nope, still means nothing to me |
| 13:43.35 | Ramble | hehe... |
| 13:43.56 | Ramble | the unix system at my university uses the afs file system |
| 13:44.19 | Ramble | and it uses ACLs (Access control lists?) instead of the standard way of handling file permissions. |
| 13:44.21 | Codayus | Hmm, so does mine. |
| 13:44.26 | Codayus | Use AFS. |
| 13:44.28 | MatryxWrk | ah - I'm not familiar with that sorry :/ |
| 13:44.33 | Codayus | Andrew File System. |
| 13:44.44 | Codayus | Ramble: What uni? |
| 13:44.54 | Ramble | hehe... yea see that's the problem, you'd expect chmod to fix it but it doesn't |
| 13:45.03 | Codayus | ACLs are...eh, finicky. |
| 13:45.13 | Ramble | Codayus: UC Santa Cruz |
| 13:45.18 | Codayus | Niftyness. |
| 13:46.01 | Ramble | fs setacl public_html system:anyuser rl ... chmod public_html +r would be so much easier... |
| 13:46.15 | Codayus | (ACLs aren't limited to AFS, incidentally. Not sure if you were implying they were or not.) |
| 13:46.40 | Ramble | yea; I don't know a whole lot about them outside of AFS |
| 13:47.10 | Codayus | Can be quite useful, the whole user/group model is really quite unhelpful. |
| 13:47.24 | Ramble | yea |
| 13:48.42 | Codayus | Classic example, and the only time I've used ACLs, is with a team project, where you want to give a very arbitrary set of users access to a limited subset of your home directory. |
| 13:50.43 | Ramble | right; yea. it's really easy to do |
| 13:51.14 | Ramble | ... as long as there are less then 20 users. (which is actually pretty easy limitation to get around, at least the way our system is set up) |
| 13:51.36 | Codayus | 20? |
| 13:51.58 | Ramble | ... I read that somewhere, perhaps that's specific to AFS |
| 13:52.11 | Codayus | The maximum number of ACL entries varies with the file system. |
| 13:52.24 | Ramble | ah alright |
| 13:53.56 | Codayus | That's an awfully inexact number. |
| 13:54.10 | Codayus | (From the official openafs documentation.) |
| 13:54.12 | Ramble | yes it is... dunno |
| 13:54.26 | MatryxWrk | "about 20" - how lovely. |
| 13:54.34 | MatryxWrk | brb - going to grab lunch |
| 13:54.57 | Codayus | I'm sure you've seen stuff at least as helpful, but if you haven't: |
| 13:54.59 | Codayus | http://www.openafs.org/pages/doc/UserGuide/auusg007.htm |
| 13:55.18 | Ramble | always good too have good resourses. |
| 13:55.18 | Codayus | Seems to cover ACLs on AFS in a vaguely coherent manner. |
| 13:56.46 | Ramble | yea, looks pretty nice |
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| 14:31.43 | Ramble | Matryx: heres a sandbox for the LaTeX extensions for Mediawiki http://wikisophia.org/wiki/Wikisophia:Sandbox |
| 14:32.33 | MatryxWrk | but if we don't have a LaTeX extension installed (and I can't really see why we'd need one?) then it won't help our regular wiki much :) thanks for the link though -it'll be interesting reading. |
| 14:33.44 | MatryxWrk | I suppose the ER diagrams are quite neat, but we can just link images ;) |
| 14:34.05 | Ramble | hehe, yea it's not very useful for our purposes I just think that it's awesome to be able to have that sort of extension |
| 14:40.59 | Ramble | ... is there an API call to drop whatever is currently on the cursor? |
| 14:41.32 | MatryxWrk | depends on what you mean by "drop" |
| 14:41.59 | Ramble | not delete ;-) |
| 14:42.17 | MatryxWrk | to your backpack? equip it? etc |
| 14:42.26 | Ramble | back to wherever it came from |
| 14:42.39 | Ramble | if I picked up something from my backpack, put it back there, if I had it equipped, leave it equipped |
| 14:42.46 | MatryxWrk | hmmm |
| 14:42.49 | MatryxWrk | *thinks* |
| 14:42.51 | Ramble | same as pressing escape... is there a function for that? |
| 14:42.53 | MatryxWrk | not sure on that. |
| 14:43.06 | MatryxWrk | see |
| 14:43.09 | MatryxWrk | http://worldofwarcraft.gameamp.com/wow/viewMods/0.php!type_id=1#12 |
| 14:43.16 | MatryxWrk | there's a bunch of function calls for item on the cursor |
| 14:43.27 | MatryxWrk | EquipPendingItem(slot); for example. |
| 14:44.55 | MatryxWrk | CancelPendingEquip(slot); Drop the item you were going to equip. |
| 14:45.03 | MatryxWrk | perhaps |
| 14:50.10 | Ramble | ... hrm |
| 14:50.19 | Ramble | I don't think there is one |
| 14:51.02 | Ramble | oh wait, maybe if... |
| 14:52.31 | Ramble | I want to drop it when I click so I might be able to use "TurnOrActionStart() TurnOrActionStop()" |
| 14:52.56 | Ramble | ... which should simulate a quick rightclick |
| 14:53.20 | MatryxWrk | are you sure? |
| 14:53.25 | Ramble | nope ;-) |
| 14:53.40 | Ramble | but I just put a macro for /script TurnOrActionStart... |
| 14:53.41 | Ramble | clicked it |
| 14:53.47 | Ramble | and now my mouse is locked out |
| 14:54.06 | Ramble | hold on |
| 14:54.33 | Ramble | Oh nice, I reloaded and I still don't have a cursor |
| 14:55.00 | Ramble | yep that worked. |
| 14:56.34 | Ramble | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:57.06 | Ramble | ... now what I'm not sure of is if I can do the same thing in a ReceiveDrag script, i'm not sure if that counts as a hardware event. |
| 14:59.01 | Ramble | damn :-/ |
| 14:59.14 | Codayus | I wonder what DropItemOnUnit("player") does... |
| 14:59.21 | Codayus | Oh wait, I'm supposed to be sleeping. |
| 14:59.26 | Ramble | tried that |
| 14:59.28 | Ramble | haha |
| 14:59.43 | Codayus | Hmm, DeleteCursorItem() is definetly NOT what you want. |
| 15:00.34 | MatryxWrk | what function does the keybinding for ESCAPE cause to trigger? |
| 15:00.44 | Ramble | I don't think there is a function for it.... and the hack I just did works for clicks or keypresses but not any other time |
| 15:01.44 | Ramble | actually I was wrong, Escape doesn't drop it. |
| 15:01.50 | Ramble | right clicking drops it |
| 15:02.07 | Ramble | and what right click does is calls TurnOrActionStart(), and when you release it, TurnOrActionStop() |
| 15:03.08 | Ramble | ... which is how fishing mods do their thing... they hook those and cast if the time between them is really short |
| 15:04.03 | MatryxWrk | ok |
| 15:04.04 | MatryxWrk | how about this |
| 15:04.19 | MatryxWrk | hook "PickupContainerItem" etc |
| 15:04.23 | MatryxWrk | and store what sort of pickup it was |
| 15:04.29 | Codayus | ...hmm, that sounds useful. |
| 15:04.36 | MatryxWrk | then call "PutItemInBag" later on when needed |
| 15:04.45 | MatryxWrk | or the corresponding slot function |
| 15:04.51 | Ramble | yes but its sorta a nightmare... yeah I can do that |
| 15:05.01 | Codayus | Something may be more trouble than their worth. |
| 15:05.04 | Codayus | What is this in aid of, again? |
| 15:06.07 | Ramble | well what I'm doing is for my InvSort mod, it's going to let you force items into specific groups by dragging them and dropping them on the group frame. |
| 15:06.20 | MatryxWrk | ooo |
| 15:06.21 | MatryxWrk | oo |
| 15:06.25 | MatryxWrk | try ResetCursor() |
| 15:06.38 | Ramble | .. nope :( |
| 15:06.45 | MatryxWrk | damnit |
| 15:07.53 | MatryxWrk | CancelPendingEquip(index) ? |
| 15:08.37 | Ramble | um.. what would I put for index? |
| 15:09.09 | Ramble | ... hrm,no don't think so |
| 15:09.59 | Ramble | oooh wiat |
| 15:10.43 | Ramble | ... have to run to the bank to try this |
| 15:11.54 | Ramble | ... hrm, no, nevermind |
| 15:12.10 | Ramble | PickupContainerItem does some weird stuff if you put strange numbers in it |
| 15:13.24 | Ramble | like... PickupContainerItem(0,-4) pickedup up the tabbard (that I'm wearing |
| 15:14.22 | MatryxWrk | I guess the references went to the equipment screen |
| 15:16.11 | Ramble | PickupContainerItem(-1,0) - PickupContianerItem(-1,-15) behave like PickupContainerItem(0,1)-PickupContainerItem(0,16) |
| 15:17.37 | Ramble | oh here we go |
| 15:17.59 | Ramble | I can PickupSpell(somespell) PickupSpell(thesamespell) |
| 15:18.44 | Ramble | rock, that works. |
| 15:19.01 | MatryxWrk | but a good'un |
| 15:19.19 | Ramble | hahah, well what am I supposed to do?!? I'll probably complain about it on the WoW forums sometime |
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| 15:23.49 | Ramble | I think it just resets the actual cursor texture for things like the magnifying glass cursor or the Vendor cursor or things like that |
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| 15:25.06 | MatryxWrk | ah perhaps |
| 15:26.51 | Ramble | theres also SetCursor... which only ever seems to be used for SetCursor("CAST_CURSOR") or ("CAST_ERROR_CURSOR") |
| 15:29.23 | Ramble | .... oh wait... I still need to know what's on the cursor |
| 15:29.39 | Ramble | ... I'm gonna have to hook all the pickup functions aren't I ... damn it |
| 15:31.55 | Ramble | Ah well, it's a nice feature for the Inventory library part of my mod anyways. |
| 15:32.18 | MatryxWrk | so wait - what's the "purpose" exactly? |
| 15:32.22 | MatryxWrk | you said drag-n-drop? |
| 15:32.31 | MatryxWrk | can't you just hook the drag and drop functions? |
| 15:35.04 | Ramble | So basically InvSort sorts items by a set of rules... it puts the items into groups based on their properties.. Quest Items, Consumable, etc. |
| 15:35.39 | Ramble | if it a item doesn't get sorted the way the user wants it to, they can create an exception that puts the item in a specific group. |
| 15:35.42 | MatryxWrk | yes, but if it's doing it systematically it'll already know what's on the cursor.... if you're just blanket doing it whenever you detect something on the cursor how will anyone trade anything? |
| 15:36.08 | Ramble | but there's nothing it there that tells you what's on the cursor |
| 15:36.23 | MatryxWrk | CursorHasItem() CursorHasSpell() |
| 15:36.24 | Ramble | there's CursorHasItem() which returns 1 if the cursor has an item |
| 15:36.28 | MatryxWrk | hmm |
| 15:36.40 | MatryxWrk | 1 sec - fiddling the wiki then I'll check it out |
| 15:37.13 | Ramble | yea. So I have to hook all cases where you'd have an item on your cursor. |
| 15:40.53 | Ramble | actually it doesn't seem like that much... PickupContainerItem, PickupMerchantItem, PickupBagFromSlot, PickupInventoryItem |
| 16:09.21 | Stylpe | ~seen kaelten |
| 16:09.27 | purl | kaelten <n=Kaelten@pcp0010773238pcs.mobilh01.al.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel ##ace, 13h 51m 48s ago, saying: 'and mine'. |
| 16:09.55 | MatryxWrk | Kael is pseudo active on the internet |
| 16:10.03 | MatryxWrk | as (s)he just upgraded my wiki account |
| 16:10.08 | MatryxWrk | other than that *shrug* |
| 16:13.57 | Ramble | heh that's kinda cool |
| 16:16.31 | MatryxWrk | yeah, so if you need something deleted, just leave a note on my talk page and I'll get round to it. |
| 16:16.46 | MatryxWrk | if you think a main page needs deleting - discuss it on the talk page first ;) |
| 16:17.29 | Ramble | cool |
| 16:26.40 | Ramble | oh how weird... |
| 16:26.53 | Ramble | apparently right clicking when you have an item doesn't call TurnOrActionStart |
| 16:27.04 | MatryxWrk | what does it call? |
| 16:27.06 | Ramble | well that's a headache |
| 16:27.07 | Ramble | not sure |
| 16:27.21 | Ramble | but I hooked TurnOrActionStart and it doesn't fire |
| 16:27.32 | MatryxWrk | TurnActionOrStartExceptOnThirdWednesdayOfEverySecondMonth |
| 16:27.38 | Ramble | lol |
| 16:28.07 | Ramble | shoot, well, it seems you can't even right click mouse enabled frames with an item on the cursor |
| 16:29.16 | Ramble | Although that's not a big deal as long as I'm checking CursorHasItem before I check what item I saved. |
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| 16:47.44 | Ramble | ~remulate |
| 16:47.46 | purl | i need tacos! i need tacos or i'll explode. that happens to me sometimes. |
| 16:51.38 | Ramble | hrm... of course the trade frame and auction frame would cause me problems |
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| 17:18.45 | Stylpe | There we go |
| 17:18.58 | MatryxWrk | hey Stylpe |
| 17:19.05 | MatryxWrk | I changed your Ideas block a tad |
| 17:19.09 | MatryxWrk | as it was <-----------------------> this wide |
| 17:28.23 | Ramble | Ideas block? |
| 17:28.31 | MatryxWrk | yeah |
| 17:28.41 | MatryxWrk | Ideas heading and content underneath before the next heading |
| 17:29.41 | Ramble | oh right |
| 17:30.41 | Ramble | woo. I think I got my cursor item tracking down |
| 17:30.55 | Ramble | link, from, index = AceInventory:GetCursorItem() |
| 17:31.12 | Ramble | where from is "container", "inventory" or "merchant" |
| 17:32.14 | MatryxWrk | and what if the cursor contains, say, a spell |
| 17:32.22 | Ramble | I'm not tracking that at all |
| 17:33.34 | Ramble | there are two functions, CursorHasItem() CursorHasSpell(), I figure AceInventory has no business tracking information about spells |
| 17:36.10 | Ramble | woo, WOWSQL, you should write it Stylpe. GO! |
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| 17:41.02 | MatryxWrk | hey stunlock |
| 17:41.29 | Stunlock | hullo |
| 17:43.27 | Stunlock | xml is not my friend |
| 17:45.00 | Ramble | no it's not :( |
| 17:45.15 | Ramble | I really need to get my InvSort mod converted to AceGUI... |
| 17:45.32 | Stunlock | im looking through the 1.25 titan panel code |
| 17:45.42 | Stunlock | some of it is hideous |
| 17:46.07 | Stunlock | for example |
| 17:46.13 | Stunlock | function TitanPanelBarButton_OnUpdate(elapsed) |
| 17:46.24 | Stunlock | -- Update play time |
| 17:46.31 | Ramble | ewwwwwww |
| 17:46.34 | Stunlock | if (this.totalTime) then |
| 17:46.48 | Stunlock | why check IF you have the time, when you force time to be inserted |
| 17:46.54 | Stunlock | its a ludicrous check |
| 17:47.51 | Stunlock | but its also obvious half the modules are buit into the basic panel |
| 17:48.05 | Stunlock | since thats the base TitanPanel.lua |
| 17:48.25 | Ramble | are you the one working on AcePanel? |
| 17:48.36 | Stunlock | like 40% of the code in this file shouldnt even be in here |
| 17:48.49 | Stunlock | I'm thinking about starting it |
| 17:48.58 | Ramble | woo |
| 17:49.12 | Stunlock | I want to have a chat with turan to have a look at his base code |
| 17:53.25 | Stunlock | okay, i need to stop thinking about how to implement this mod |
| 17:53.50 | Ramble | Yes! do it |
| 17:53.53 | Stunlock | its A starting to get to me, and B starting to boggle my mind with the number of features that I should be adding ot the list |
| 17:54.00 | Ramble | we need someone to say that about a Quest mod oto |
| 17:54.06 | Ramble | *too |
| 17:54.36 | Stunlock | I'l do it, but i dont have a huge amount of time right now. in about oa week or so i could really start to have a good go at it though |
| 17:56.33 | Stunlock | I'm trying to think what the mods need to show on the panel |
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| 17:56.52 | Ramble | what do you mean? |
| 17:56.53 | Stunlock | Theres the icon and brief info summary, a tooltip and a detailed information panel |
| 17:56.55 | Stunlock | anything else? |
| 17:57.19 | Ramble | ah... that sounds pretty good to me |
| 17:57.39 | Stunlock | so the idea would be: |
| 17:57.43 | Ramble | .. the brief info summary should be a frame that can have anything in it |
| 17:57.59 | Stunlock | Plugin registers an icon (optional) |
| 17:58.10 | Stunlock | Plugin has a display string |
| 17:58.27 | Stunlock | mmm ramble, a frame they can display anything in? |
| 17:58.39 | Stunlock | I dont think thats such a good idea |
| 17:59.31 | Ramble | I'm just thinking I don't always want to be limited to just text |
| 17:59.49 | Stunlock | allowing them to register child objects to the frame is awkward though |
| 17:59.57 | Ramble | hm, alright |
| 18:00.00 | Stunlock | What do you want apart from taxt and an icon though? |
| 18:00.38 | Stunlock | admitedly, I havent had a look at the vast array of titan plugins |
| 18:00.47 | Ramble | yea; I'm not coming up with any good practical ideas for what else could go there |
| 18:01.10 | Stunlock | the one thing you might want is a selection of buttons |
| 18:01.16 | Stunlock | lets say for tracking skills |
| 18:01.37 | Ramble | yeah... something like that |
| 18:01.47 | Stunlock | which is plausable |
| 18:02.12 | Stunlock | but, lets say I give the ability to put in an icon, and an onclick |
| 18:02.19 | Tain | There is a dropdown menu to select trackins skills with Titan, I think. |
| 18:02.34 | Stunlock | yeah tain, I recall something like that |
| 18:02.42 | Ramble | yea; I've seen stuff like that |
| 18:02.50 | Stunlock | titan tended to have drop downs rather than actuall buttons |
| 18:02.56 | Stunlock | but im going hyperthetical |
| 18:03.20 | Tain | Yeah, I was just trying to think though, I don't think I've ever seen an actual button on any Titan addon. |
| 18:03.31 | Stunlock | so you make a plugin, thats actually say 7-8 plugins. one for each tracking skill |
| 18:03.47 | Stunlock | and give each one the right icon and then plug in the onCLick function |
| 18:04.12 | kergoth | Tain: theres an addon that gives you essentially a bagbar on the titan panel. not sure if its actually a titan addon though, or if its just anchoring the bags to it and scaling them down |
| 18:04.13 | Stunlock | it doesnt require any more than the icon I've already provided |
| 18:04.35 | Tain | If they can pull up another menu they can do something else too. So I guess you could do just about anything. |
| 18:04.47 | Stunlock | kergoth: Really? I thought titan linked the built in bag mod to openAllBags() |
| 18:05.02 | kergoth | i'm not talking about the built in one |
| 18:05.07 | Stunlock | oh, okay |
| 18:05.14 | Stunlock | and is that titan or titan 2? |
| 18:06.21 | kergoth | i've never used titan 2. it looks like a bloated hack |
| 18:06.46 | *** join/##ace MoonWolf (n=Sorvarh@ip51ccaa81.speed.planet.nl) |
| 18:06.55 | Stunlock | it does indeed. However the more I look at the original, the similar kind of feeling I get |
| 18:08.54 | MatryxWrk | right - I should finish this work and head off home |
| 18:09.04 | Stunlock | ... |
| 18:09.09 | Stunlock | man |
| 18:09.27 | Cair | I wish someone would come up with a titan replacement ... *pokes the ace crowd that was working on one* |
| 18:09.27 | Stunlock | I wish chatzilla allowed me to copy/paste multiple lines |
| 18:09.45 | Stunlock | Cair: thats what this discussion is about |
| 18:09.50 | MoonWolf | I wish I had a million dollars. |
| 18:10.03 | Cair | I know ;) |
| 18:10.25 | Stunlock | okay this guy is retarded :/ |
| 18:10.36 | Stunlock | function TitanUtils_Min(a, b) |
| 18:10.46 | Stunlock | if (a and b) then |
| 18:10.46 | MatryxWrk | isn't there a lua function for min? |
| 18:10.53 | Stunlock | return TitanUtils_Ternary((a > b), a, b); |
| 18:11.00 | MatryxWrk | ewww |
| 18:11.02 | MatryxWrk | what a mess |
| 18:11.02 | Stunlock | well A i believe so |
| 18:11.07 | Stunlock | but wqait |
| 18:11.10 | Stunlock | watch this |
| 18:11.14 | Stunlock | the magic happens |
| 18:11.14 | kergoth | hahaha |
| 18:11.16 | kergoth | wow |
| 18:11.23 | Stunlock | function TitanUtils_Ternary(a, b, c) |
| 18:11.25 | MatryxWrk | you're gonna say Ternary does something worse now aren't you |
| 18:11.33 | Stunlock | if (a) then |
| 18:11.39 | Stunlock | return b; |
| 18:11.41 | kergoth | lmao |
| 18:11.42 | Stunlock | else |
| 18:11.47 | Stunlock | return c; |
| 18:11.49 | Stunlock | end |
| 18:11.53 | Ramble | /giggles |
| 18:11.56 | Stunlock | i mean what the hell |
| 18:12.06 | MoonWolf | he has a return after a return ? |
| 18:12.13 | Stunlock | no |
| 18:12.25 | Stunlock | he passes min and max through to a third function |
| 18:12.25 | MoonWolf | oh now i see |
| 18:12.33 | Stunlock | basically the third function says |
| 18:12.50 | Stunlock | If I have an initial value, i return the first, else i return the second |
| 18:12.52 | MoonWolf | ... Okay who has thought him how to program. no wait, where did he keep his common sence. |
| 18:13.00 | Stunlock | well |
| 18:13.15 | Stunlock | this is actually quite bad |
| 18:13.21 | kergoth | sounds like he was a C programmer that often used min() and max() macros, and then was confused by non-compiled languages |
| 18:13.24 | Stunlock | but even if there were no min and max |
| 18:13.41 | MatryxWrk | I can improve!!! function TitanImitation_MinMax(min_or_max,value_a,value_b) where min_or_max specifies "min" or "max" :D |
| 18:13.41 | Stunlock | min(a,b) |
| 18:13.54 | MoonWolf | lol |
| 18:13.58 | MatryxWrk | then calls the right titan min/max function |
| 18:14.04 | MatryxWrk | which calls the same ternary function :D |
| 18:14.06 | MatryxWrk | supar |
| 18:14.23 | MoonWolf | lets make it use even more useless cycles. sounds good to me. |
| 18:14.26 | Stunlock | return ((a>b)*a + (b>a)*b); |
| 18:14.47 | MatryxWrk | mmm tidy |
| 18:14.55 | Stunlock | if i recall correctly ture types to 1 and false types to 0 or nil |
| 18:14.57 | kergoth | does that even work? (a>b) is not 0 or 1, its false or true |
| 18:14.59 | MatryxWrk | any function which is effectively one line of code should not be a function. |
| 18:15.07 | kergoth | boolean, not numeric |
| 18:15.11 | Ramble | um... |
| 18:15.13 | kergoth | never tried multiplying a boolean |
| 18:15.21 | MatryxWrk | in lua doesn't false * number = 0 and true * number = number? |
| 18:15.23 | Stunlock | kergoth does LUA define a difference? |
| 18:15.26 | kergoth | yes. |
| 18:15.30 | kergoth | "boolean" is a seperate type |
| 18:15.34 | MoonWolf | that would be a fun tests.. TRUE * 2 ... |
| 18:15.37 | Ramble | I'm gonna disable a few addons but... ace:print(min(1,5)) worked for me |
| 18:15.40 | Stunlock | most languages dont |
| 18:15.52 | kergoth | /home/World of Warcraft/Interface$ lua |
| 18:15.52 | kergoth | Lua 5.0.2 Copyright (C) 1994-2004 Tecgraf, PUC-Rio |
| 18:15.52 | kergoth | > print(true * 5) |
| 18:15.52 | kergoth | stdin:1: attempt to perform arithmetic on a boolean value |
| 18:16.00 | kergoth | as i expected |
| 18:16.11 | Stunlock | is true the same as TRUE? |
| 18:16.19 | MatryxWrk | no |
| 18:16.33 | MatryxWrk | true = boolean true |
| 18:16.35 | MatryxWrk | TRUE is not |
| 18:16.43 | Tain | print true*5? |
| 18:16.54 | Ramble | ... min and max are defined by the WoW api (or possibly the Ace api) |
| 18:16.55 | Stunlock | is a>b returning true or TRUE though? |
| 18:16.56 | MatryxWrk | see Kergoth's nice error above |
| 18:16.58 | kergoth | Tain: <Stunlock> +return ((a>b)*a + (b>a)*b); |
| 18:17.02 | kergoth | Tain: showing that that isnt valid lua |
| 18:17.39 | Stunlock | perfectly valid C though :) |
| 18:17.46 | Stunlock | bizarly enough |
| 18:17.55 | MatryxWrk | even so (if (a>b) return b else return a end would work |
| 18:17.58 | MatryxWrk | plus linebreaks |
| 18:18.06 | MatryxWrk | and minus my horrible bracketing |
| 18:18.18 | Stunlock | yeah |
| 18:18.24 | kergoth | it isnt bizzaire |
| 18:18.26 | kergoth | C is not lua. |
| 18:18.51 | Stunlock | no it is bizare because its freaky c :) |
| 18:18.51 | Tain | Oh yeah. |
| 18:19.04 | MatryxWrk | C is full of things that LUA doesn't need |
| 18:19.07 | MoonWolf | C and lua are so different you should not even have to compare then. |
| 18:19.08 | kergoth | it isnt freaky |
| 18:19.08 | Stunlock | but anyway |
| 18:19.11 | MatryxWrk | the whole design princplie of lua was simplicity |
| 18:19.15 | Tain | Plus he uses semi-colons. It can't be good. ;) |
| 18:19.16 | MatryxWrk | it's like comparing Basic and Pascal |
| 18:19.21 | kergoth | hehe |
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| 18:19.38 | Stunlock | more like comparing java and haskell |
| 18:19.40 | Tain | I like Pascal. For a teaching language, at least. |
| 18:19.45 | MatryxWrk | there |
| 18:19.48 | MatryxWrk | builtin |
| 18:19.49 | Tain | I don't think I'd go quite that far though, Stunlock. :) |
| 18:19.50 | MoonWolf | i hate the := |
| 18:19.53 | MatryxWrk | math.min(a, b) |
| 18:19.53 | Rambl1 | ... phone rang and killed my wireless :( |
| 18:20.07 | MatryxWrk | (and math.max) |
| 18:20.15 | Rambl1 | hehe yea, and WoWAPI defines max = math.max |
| 18:20.16 | Stunlock | MoonWolf: the := is left over from old turing code |
| 18:20.27 | MatryxWrk | actually.... |
| 18:20.33 | MatryxWrk | math.min(...) |
| 18:20.34 | MoonWolf | Stunlock, i still hate it. |
| 18:20.35 | MatryxWrk | cool |
| 18:20.39 | MatryxWrk | any number of variables |
| 18:20.40 | Tain | Oh yeah, well which do you think is worse? := or ~=? |
| 18:20.47 | MoonWolf | := |
| 18:21.03 | MatryxWrk | := I always was tought to read as "becomes equal to" |
| 18:21.08 | MoonWolf | i can live with ~= although i much prefer != |
| 18:21.09 | kergoth | i'm used to := meaning something _completely_ different than ~= |
| 18:21.09 | Tain | ~= makes no sense to me. |
| 18:21.14 | kergoth | or != |
| 18:21.22 | MatryxWrk | ~= in 90% of terms means "approximately equal to" |
| 18:21.26 | Tain | Yeah kergoth, not saying they mean the sam ething. |
| 18:21.28 | MatryxWrk | rather than "not equal to" |
| 18:21.30 | MoonWolf | MatryxWrk, indeed |
| 18:21.40 | Tain | Just comparing differnet things that people don't like. |
| 18:21.43 | kergoth | := makes sense, and is different from = |
| 18:21.46 | kergoth | i like it, personally |
| 18:21.50 | Tain | So do I. |
| 18:21.50 | kergoth | ~= is just odd |
| 18:21.51 | purl | kergoth: what are you talking about? |
| 18:21.55 | Stunlock | theoretically, in mathematics, if you ever define a variable to have a set value, you define it using a small colon infront of the equals. Thats when the idea for := to mean assign came from |
| 18:22.01 | Cair | != |
| 18:22.05 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 18:22.07 | purl | my walnuts! |
| 18:22.10 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:22.12 | Tain | I can live with != just fine. I even have no problem with <> which something uses. |
| 18:22.15 | Stunlock | anyway |
| 18:22.15 | Tain | But ~!.. |
| 18:22.19 | Stunlock | back to crying |
| 18:22.19 | MatryxWrk | right - off home :) |
| 18:22.21 | kergoth | i think <> was basic |
| 18:22.22 | MatryxWrk | see you all later |
| 18:22.26 | Cair | bye MatryxWrk :) |
| 18:22.30 | MoonWolf | <> was weird. |
| 18:22.32 | MoonWolf | really weird. |
| 18:22.39 | Stunlock | kergoth: looks about right |
| 18:22.59 | Tain | Yeah but it at least makes more sense than ~= |
| 18:23.39 | Tain | a <> b.. a is greater or less than b. At leat it sort of means something. Not htat I'd want to use it now. |
| 18:23.50 | Stunlock | I still bemember using a language called Object Oreintated Turing in my first year of uni. |
| 18:24.01 | MoonWolf | yeah but in my mind a <> b can still be a == b |
| 18:24.09 | Stunlock | that was a god awful language :( |
| 18:24.18 | MoonWolf | OO Turing.. that CANNOT be ggod. |
| 18:24.39 | *** join/##ace Tem (n=Matt@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 18:25.00 | Stunlock | it had the ability to define a type, but declare the type later on in the file. it was a hack to accound for cyclic definition of pointers |
| 18:25.20 | MoonWolf | did it have a class or struct of some sort ? |
| 18:25.34 | Stunlock | so like in a tree, you have a tree nod, which contains the data and two pointers to tree nodes |
| 18:25.40 | Stunlock | no |
| 18:25.48 | Stunlock | you dealt with pointers |
| 18:25.56 | Stunlock | there wasnt really struct or class |
| 18:26.07 | Stunlock | but oddly enough it was typesafe |
| 18:26.16 | Stunlock | so god knows how they managed it |
| 18:26.36 | MoonWolf | lots of dirty hacks |
| 18:26.59 | Stunlock | omre dirty hacks than even the authour of titan panel can shake a stick at I'd bet |
| 18:27.21 | MoonWolf | And here i was thinking titan panal was a decent piece of coding |
| 18:27.24 | Tain | well if someone would get a move on with AcePanel... |
| 18:28.04 | Stunlock | if somone could pass me turans base code for plugin registration, I'd be more than happy to give it a shot |
| 18:28.06 | MoonWolf | The moment i feel like i could pull that off i will. see you in 5 years. |
| 18:28.38 | Stunlock | MoonWolf: have more confidence in yourself |
| 18:29.06 | Rambl1 | ... I just made some tweaks to my InvSort so it should should be useful on the Live servers now instead of just the test server |
| 18:29.08 | MoonWolf | Really, I am not good at making efficient enough code. not if that many people are going to use it. |
| 18:29.22 | MoonWolf | hell my only public addon still uses more or less unsafe hooks. |
| 18:29.24 | Stunlock | but thats why you have a community |
| 18:29.34 | Stunlock | you write the code so people know what its meant to do |
| 18:29.36 | MoonWolf | Rambl1 great. |
| 18:29.51 | Stunlock | then someone will read it and say "You can improve this bit by doing this..." |
| 18:30.52 | Rambl1 | yea, I'd say a lot of my code is not always very efficient... there's a lot of stuff I still feel is out of place... |
| 18:31.29 | MoonWolf | its better then mine. |
| 18:31.36 | Stunlock | its very hard to completely optimise non conpiled languages though |
| 18:31.53 | Stunlock | since we essentially have no idea as to how the basic system works |
| 18:32.06 | MoonWolf | your underestimating kergoth |
| 18:32.12 | Stunlock | we know LUA's table hadling is good. infact its better than just good |
| 18:32.47 | Stunlock | but if you have more of an idea as to the underlying implementation, then you have a better understanding as to how to optimise |
| 18:33.28 | Tain | There's a lot of profiling that goes on with the people in #wowi-lounge to check things against different types of implementations. |
| 18:34.09 | Stunlock | yeah, but still, a detailed analysis requires fundamantal understanding of the base |
| 18:34.19 | kergoth | Stunlock: the base is extremely well documented |
| 18:34.26 | kergoth | Stunlock: theres a pdf outlining lua's implementation |
| 18:35.01 | Rambl1 | I kinda want to profile how I'm caching the Inventory data in my sorting mod to see if it's worth keeping all the info the way I'm doing it... |
| 18:35.03 | Stunlock | yeah and there are standards and suggestion for C STLs, but the implementations dont stick to them :/ |
| 18:35.38 | MoonWolf | get that starting time thingy ramble.. compare different methods. |
| 18:35.46 | kergoth | Stunlock: the lua implementation docs are accurate for 5.0. |
| 18:35.52 | kergoth | i often check them when i'm unsure of something |
| 18:36.00 | kergoth | and you can always compare that against the lua code |
| 18:36.08 | kergoth | its open source, bsd or mit licensed, i forget which |
| 18:36.29 | Stunlock | does warcraft just have a direct clone of the standard LUA embedded into WoW then? |
| 18:36.30 | kergoth | not to mention the huge pool of lua gurus who are intimately familiar with the internals who hang out on #lua |
| 18:36.31 | MoonWolf | its open in one form or another anyway. |
| 18:36.43 | kergoth | Stunlock: for the most part. there were some modifications made to the gc, iirc |
| 18:36.49 | MoonWolf | Stunlock, not directly but most |
| 18:36.56 | MoonWolf | and they ofcourse implemented the wow api |
| 18:37.14 | Tain | I don't think kergoth actually writes any code. Have you ever seen anything of his released? Nope. |
| 18:37.19 | Stunlock | yet theres some LUA functions that are missing from it |
| 18:37.21 | Tain | I think he's making it all up. |
| 18:37.54 | MoonWolf | kergoth has a release of IF tooltips... only he has been making it modular for over a month or two now. |
| 18:37.59 | kergoth | hey now, i have a lot of pastebins.. |
| 18:38.03 | kergoth | just nothing released |
| 18:38.04 | kergoth | :P |
| 18:38.09 | Tain | hehe :) |
| 18:38.09 | Ramble | haha |
| 18:38.27 | Stunlock | anyway |
| 18:38.37 | MoonWolf | no really, that tooltip code of him is decent. i think. i dont understand half of it. |
| 18:38.47 | Stunlock | bck to slaving over titan untill it makes me pass out from stupidity |
| 18:38.53 | kergoth | tem's the tooltip expert |
| 18:39.18 | Ramble | Tem writes some crazy code |
| 18:39.20 | MoonWolf | well, the code behind the keywords is whats the cool part about it. IMHO |
| 18:39.21 | kergoth | actually, i'd like to see InformaTips/reactips/tipster go away in favor of something aceunitframe based managing a "mouseover" unitframe |
| 18:39.26 | kergoth | since theres so much common code |
| 18:40.54 | kergoth | i should put some more of my lua on http://www.bigbold.com/snippets/user/kergoth |
| 18:40.59 | MoonWolf | Oh, for anybody who is wondering my current project is thinking up something to replace SCT with... but im not really fast at building something from scratch. |
| 18:42.06 | kergoth | i'm actually fairly happy using something like hitsmode in a window thats always up |
| 18:42.21 | Stunlock | I was thinking about SCT for a while, but i think its more or less okay as it is |
| 18:42.21 | Ramble | Moonwolf: the only thing about comparing different methods is it'd require almost a complete rewrite of the way I'm handing things. Basically I chose to cache information as much as possible in a table instead of doing tons of calls to GetItemInfo. So instead of function calls, I'm doing table lookups |
| 18:43.01 | MoonWolf | ramble, that should make little difference if the amount of table lookups is comparable to the function calls. |
| 18:43.36 | MoonWolf | As far as i know anyway. |
| 18:44.20 | Stunlock | mmm |
| 18:44.23 | MoonWolf | Stunlock, its simply for personal things. becaues i intend to make it plugabble so you can intregrate anything that want to display overhead text. |
| 18:44.25 | Ramble | yea I'm pretty curious if it would have been better the other way but, syntactically I like the way I handled it |
| 18:45.37 | Ramble | and as far as startup time goes, .050 sec, 48k for AceInventory, 0.200 sec, 556 kb for InvSort... doesn't seem too bad to me. |
| 18:45.51 | kergoth | hows invsort coming? |
| 18:46.08 | MoonWolf | there is a working beta. ramble where can i pick up that version for live ? |
| 18:46.18 | Stunlock | mm, 556 kb isnt bad |
| 18:46.20 | Ramble | It's pretty well I'd say; like I said, I just put the beta up that should work on the live servers... |
| 18:46.24 | Stunlock | how big are your bags though? |
| 18:46.29 | Ramble | http://people.ucsc.edu/~tgerdes/InvSort.zip |
| 18:46.42 | Tem | someone say my name? |
| 18:46.46 | MoonWolf | and aceinventory ? |
| 18:47.03 | Ramble | it's in there |
| 18:47.06 | MoonWolf | okay |
| 18:47.10 | Tem | god please no morea "ace*" mods |
| 18:47.17 | Tem | s/morea/more/ |
| 18:47.24 | Ramble | haha... what should I name my Inventory library then Tem? |
| 18:47.31 | Tem | I have no idea |
| 18:47.33 | Tem | talk to rowne |
| 18:47.39 | Stunlock | mmm |
| 18:48.01 | MoonWolf | damn i still need to install DirectX 9 c |
| 18:48.06 | MoonWolf | stupid windows reinstalls |
| 18:48.12 | Stunlock | mabe the new titan panel chould be fACEmeltingAssistPanel then |
| 18:48.33 | Stunlock | might be a bit long though |
| 18:48.57 | Tem | I think AceBar is already named |
| 18:49.01 | MoonWolf | GIBA, Generic Information Bar Addon |
| 18:49.21 | Tem | damnit! my lamp bulb burnt out |
| 18:49.36 | Stunlock | Tem: if im working on it i'd prefer to see it as more of a working titel |
| 18:50.02 | Stunlock | AceBar is pretty boring to be fair |
| 18:50.41 | Tem | oh I'm just saying that's what Turan named it |
| 18:51.05 | Tain | It is, but it's the one time that I think it fits. Just because the plugins for it will be Ace. |
| 18:51.22 | Ramble | I might rename it from AceInventory to InvLib or something boring, but it's a library I don't see why it needs a fancy name |
| 18:51.33 | Tain | Or at least the majority, if it does allow for non-aced plugins. |
| 18:51.33 | Tem | Personally, I think you should avoid names with "Bar" and "Panel" in them |
| 18:53.41 | Tain | Unless it involves serving alcoholic beverages. |
| 18:54.13 | Stunlock | okay |
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| 18:54.29 | Stunlock | they guy who wrote titan panel is ternary function obsessed |
| 18:54.29 | Rambl1 | damn phone |
| 18:54.55 | Stunlock | he actually takes three argument functions |
| 18:55.16 | Stunlock | and feeds them into a second 3 argument function |
| 18:55.31 | Rambl1 | haha; wow |
| 18:55.37 | Stunlock | the whole basis of the second function is to either get or set a variable based on a boolean input |
| 18:55.52 | MoonWolf | ... |
| 18:55.53 | Stunlock | it actually makes me want to cry |
| 18:56.17 | Rambl1 | ... I should probably try switching the channel on my wireless so I stop getting disconnected :-/ |
| 18:56.41 | Tem | I lol in your general direction |
| 18:57.13 | kergoth | ~remulate |
| 18:57.14 | purl | to make room for the TUNA! |
| 18:57.27 | Rambl1 | hahahaa... I love gir |
| 18:57.31 | Rambl1 | ~emulate gir |
| 18:57.33 | purl | where's my moose? |
| 18:57.34 | *** join/##ace MoonWolf (i=Sorvarh@ip51ccaa81.speed.planet.nl) |
| 18:57.48 | Stunlock | oh god |
| 18:58.00 | MoonWolf | I love how fast my newly installed and optimized windows loads. |
| 18:58.23 | kergoth | "A ROOM... with a MOOOSE!" "AAAHHHH!!!! wait, did you say a moose?" |
| 18:58.38 | MoonWolf | ... |
| 18:58.42 | Stunlock | he actually has a function that was used to port users automacigally from one table setup to another as part of his basic variable instantiation |
| 18:58.46 | Rambl1 | "where are my walnuts?!" |
| 18:58.53 | Stunlock | and its still in the god damned base code |
| 18:59.33 | Rambl1 | ... how big is Titan? like how many lines of code? |
| 18:59.52 | Stunlock | god knows its about 30 different files |
| 18:59.59 | Rambl1 | daymn |
| 19:00.01 | Stunlock | its seperated out in very odd ways |
| 19:00.06 | Stunlock | its like spaghetti code |
| 19:00.45 | Stunlock | you start to trace a functions path, and you need to trace it through 3 or 4 different files |
| 19:00.51 | Rambl1 | geez |
| 19:00.55 | kergoth | i like lots of files myself, if its a logical seperation |
| 19:01.09 | Stunlock | kergoth: sure |
| 19:01.18 | Stunlock | visor seperates everything out |
| 19:01.21 | Stunlock | but its done sensible |
| 19:01.27 | Stunlock | sensibly* |
| 19:01.35 | Stunlock | this seems to have no reason to it |
| 19:02.14 | Stunlock | I mean why the hell does he have a function that ports users data into a laegible form if they happen to have an old 1.22 titan panel database though |
| 19:02.17 | Stunlock | it makes no sense |
| 19:02.22 | MoonWolf | ramble, this beta is supposed to actually be functional right ? if that is so, your port is not working. |
| 19:02.29 | MoonWolf | because my categories are empty |
| 19:02.52 | Rambl1 | hrm.. that's odd |
| 19:02.57 | MoonWolf | although it will pickup my shards. |
| 19:03.01 | Rambl1 | ... i'll have to look at it later |
| 19:03.04 | Rambl1 | i'm on my way out |
| 19:03.08 | Rambl1 | try it on the test server? |
| 19:03.29 | Rambl1 | if you get anything working post any feedback to the forum... |
| 19:03.31 | MoonWolf | cant go to test. my version is 1.8.4 and the test patch requires 1.8.3 |
| 19:03.35 | Rambl1 | http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=11981#11981. |
| 19:03.43 | Rambl1 | hah, that's retarded. |
| 19:03.44 | Rambl1 | ok |
| 19:03.45 | Rambl1 | later |
| 19:04.17 | Stunlock | kergoth: in LUA, if you said a.b.c = d, and you had neither table a, b, nor c, would LUA create the three tabels for you, or would it simply bawk? |
| 19:05.26 | MoonWolf | error on line something trying to concatate/index nill |
| 19:05.30 | MoonWolf | or somesort like error. |
| 19:05.38 | Stunlock | mm |
| 19:05.52 | Tem | Stunlock: it would break |
| 19:05.52 | Stunlock | I thought LUA was cleaverer than that, but oh well |
| 19:06.02 | Tem | you can make tables do that |
| 19:06.17 | Tem | with some metatable fun, but it turns out to be kind of a mess to implement |
| 19:06.25 | Stunlock | yeah |
| 19:06.51 | Stunlock | so basically inserting tabel data requires you to instantiate the tables as a bare minimum |
| 19:07.03 | Tem | yeah |
| 19:07.28 | Tem | Slightly off the point "Lua" is not an acronym |
| 19:07.48 | Stunlock | so c = d; b = {c}; a = {b}; |
| 19:08.05 | Tem | one of the lua devs the other day was he didn't like people saying "LUA" instead of "Lua" |
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| 19:08.27 | Stunlock | okay tem, I shall try to remember that |
| 19:08.28 | Tain | I say the same thing about Pascal sometimes. |
| 19:08.47 | Stunlock | not that it takes much remembering |
| 19:08.57 | Tem | not a big deal |
| 19:08.59 | Stunlock | but i sahll try my best anyway :V |
| 19:09.06 | Tem | just some useless info I heard from him |
| 19:09.19 | Stunlock | oh good |
| 19:09.35 | Stunlock | das dispensator of useless infomatic |
| 19:09.50 | Stunlock | excellent |
| 19:10.34 | Tem | if you know none are there before you can just do a= {b={c="d"}} |
| 19:10.52 | MoonWolf | i was thinking that too.... but meh |
| 19:11.22 | Stunlock | yeah |
| 19:11.32 | Stunlock | I'm not so hot on the exact syntax yet |
| 19:11.43 | Stunlock | I've been studying the language all of about 4 days |
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| 19:12.16 | Stunlock | reading it is rediculously easy though compared to alot of other languages |
| 19:12.48 | Tem | read the book |
| 19:12.57 | Tem | PiL is great for getting a feel for the language |
| 19:13.03 | Stunlock | although some of the anonymous variable looping makes my head hurt something cronic |
| 19:13.05 | Tem | www.lua.org/pil |
| 19:13.56 | Stunlock | which i found slightly disconcerting sinc eI actually enjoy prolog |
| 19:14.23 | Tem | what do you mean by "anonymous variable looping"? |
| 19:14.53 | Stunlock | using _ |
| 19:15.06 | kergoth | that isnt anonymous, its just a convention |
| 19:15.11 | kergoth | you're still free to use the variable named _ |
| 19:15.30 | Stunlock | ok |
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| 19:15.37 | Stunlock | that makes more sense to be fair |
| 19:16.04 | Stunlock | infact that make salot more sense |
| 19:16.05 | MoonWolf | Stunlock, did you say you enjoy ...Prolog ? |
| 19:16.09 | Stunlock | yeah |
| 19:16.14 | Stunlock | prolog rocks |
| 19:16.48 | Stunlock | and is possibly why i attribute _ to not actually being a variable |
| 19:17.04 | MoonWolf | its a variable. |
| 19:17.08 | MoonWolf | to me anyway. |
| 19:17.14 | kergoth | in lua, it is |
| 19:17.21 | Stunlock | in prolog it inst |
| 19:17.37 | Stunlock | its designed as a throwaway |
| 19:19.01 | Stunlock | it kind of means you dont care waht it is, or what it does. as long as its something that can be utilised to make the statement true |
| 19:19.53 | MoonWolf | you can read it ? |
| 19:20.24 | Stunlock | well no, the thing is prolog doesnt track it at all |
| 19:20.32 | Stunlock | since it doesnt matter what it is |
| 19:20.36 | MoonWolf | then what is its use ? |
| 19:20.46 | Stunlock | well |
| 19:20.58 | Stunlock | if you define a function as say |
| 19:21.19 | Stunlock | function ([H,_,_|T]). |
| 19:21.38 | Stunlock | that mans its true if the list has at least 3 variables |
| 19:21.50 | Stunlock | [x,y,z] would be true |
| 19:22.13 | Stunlock | but for prolog to think of it as true, it would only report to you H=x and T= [] |
| 19:22.19 | MoonWolf | but two of those are simply not accessable in the function ? (or maybe prolog works that out differently) |
| 19:22.41 | Stunlock | since y and z exist, to prolog it matters no what y and z are |
| 19:22.50 | Stunlock | no |
| 19:22.54 | Stunlock | you cant acess _ |
| 19:23.04 | Stunlock | if you said say _! and _2 |
| 19:23.18 | Stunlock | then you could acess them, but prolog wont report it to you |
| 19:23.28 | Stunlock | so you can use them to fall through |
| 19:23.43 | MoonWolf | ill stick to C++ and lua or Unrealscript. |
| 19:24.03 | Stunlock | prolog isnt really a language you'd ever suggest to anyone |
| 19:24.14 | Stunlock | but its interesting at times |
| 19:24.41 | Stunlock | the whole idea of printing to screen still gives me the run around though |
| 19:24.50 | Stunlock | its not the simplest thing in the world to do |
| 19:25.06 | MoonWolf | no print. or echo or system.our.print ? |
| 19:25.14 | Stunlock | no, not that kind of printing |
| 19:25.16 | MoonWolf | no idea why i remember the java print command. |
| 19:25.21 | Stunlock | i mean drawing to a frame buffer |
| 19:26.13 | MoonWolf | define frame buffer draw on it show it is not something prolog thinks of as something that should be easy. |
| 19:26.21 | Stunlock | theres a print function that prints to the terminal, but theres also ways to open, read, write and close files |
| 19:26.29 | Stunlock | hehe no |
| 19:26.48 | Tem | oh kergoth, can you do me a favor? |
| 19:26.53 | Stunlock | prolog is designed to solve difficult logical problems |
| 19:27.09 | kergoth | sure |
| 19:27.10 | Stunlock | there are ways that allow it to deal with the screen logically though |
| 19:27.35 | Tem | look at my code and tell me how I broke AceGUI https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/Ace/trac.cgi/file/branches/AceGUI/tardmrr/elements/AceGUIFontstring.lua |
| 19:27.42 | Stunlock | for example sictus prolog comes with a chess game writen entirely in prolog |
| 19:27.58 | Tem | or even better, check out my branch and tell if KCI works |
| 19:28.03 | MoonWolf | i bet it has good AI if its in prolog |
| 19:28.49 | Stunlock | not really |
| 19:28.59 | Stunlock | its just a bog standard heuristic |
| 19:29.05 | MoonWolf | :( |
| 19:29.15 | Stunlock | it was more to demonstrate the graphics than the chess ai |
| 19:30.01 | Stunlock | but the guys who wrote it are a little loopy in my opinion. Prologs not designed t be good at graphics |
| 19:30.31 | Stunlock | no demopnstrationo going throug 2,000,000 recursive lops to draw one frame are gonna prove otherwise |
| 19:32.21 | MoonWolf | that sounds really low fps |
| 19:33.17 | Stunlock | hehe |
| 19:33.39 | Stunlock | well its more hyberbole, but chess games are hardly openGL orientated |
| 19:34.02 | Stunlock | theres little chance you'd get WoW into prolog any time soon |
| 19:34.44 | MoonWolf | prolog addon scripting |
| 19:34.59 | MoonWolf | ... rather not think about the horrible stuff people would produce then. |
| 19:37.43 | Stunlock | aww |
| 19:37.46 | Stunlock | targetKillable(Paladin). |
| 19:37.59 | Stunlock | thats a nice simple prolog mod |
| 19:38.16 | Stunlock | defining the killable classes for a mage |
| 19:39.38 | MoonWolf | mages can kill more then paladins. |
| 19:39.56 | MoonWolf | actually with Eye for an Eye killing paladins can be risky business. |
| 19:40.29 | Stunlock | mages are the least fun class to play at 60 on a PvP server |
| 19:41.04 | Stunlock | and the paladin talent update is mildly disappointin |
| 19:41.11 | Tain | They're not so fun on 40 man raids either. |
| 19:41.25 | Stunlock | no class is fun on a 40 man raid |
| 19:41.33 | Tain | heh true enough |
| 19:41.37 | Stunlock | since once you know how to do it, its not a challenge |
| 19:41.52 | Stunlock | tank it and spank it. thats all there is |
| 19:41.59 | Tain | Sitting there summoning water for people all night without going ballistic is a challange. |
| 19:42.21 | Stunlock | im looking forward to the 10 water per cast in 1.9 |
| 19:42.27 | Tain | I solved that problem, however. |
| 19:42.38 | Tain | I purposely didn't get the lvl 60 water spell. |
| 19:42.40 | Stunlock | but i must admit im becoming less and less interested in playing my mage |
| 19:42.51 | Tain | No one bugged me on raids for water when I gave them the othre stuff. |
| 19:42.52 | MoonWolf | i dont get why they didnt bumb it up to 20 in one go |
| 19:42.59 | Stunlock | well |
| 19:43.00 | Tain | "Nope sorry, I don't have that spell." |
| 19:43.15 | Stunlock | theres an odd thing about 1.9 |
| 19:43.23 | Stunlock | since mages are in no way underpowered |
| 19:43.35 | Stunlock | yet if you look at the new rank of frostbolt in AQ 20 |
| 19:43.49 | Stunlock | it is about 100 more base damage over rank 10 |
| 19:44.03 | Stunlock | which equates to around 40DPS increase for a frost mage |
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| 19:44.22 | Stunlock | which is actually quite alot |
| 19:44.25 | [Matryx] | much better :) |
| 19:44.30 | [Matryx] | also - Hi again |
| 19:44.37 | Stunlock | hey matryx |
| 19:44.58 | Stunlock | but anyway, I digress. |
| 19:45.07 | Stunlock | mages are there not to be played at 60 |
| 19:45.29 | Stunlock | warlocks do more damage anyway. and they get more health and a pet |
| 19:46.33 | Tem | warlocks do no do more damage |
| 19:46.46 | Stunlock | in raids they do |
| 19:46.52 | Stunlock | at least they do in 1.8 |
| 19:47.08 | Tem | if you compare the dps of equivilantly geared warlocks and mages, the mages /always/ do more damage |
| 19:47.25 | Stunlock | but mages cant get the equivelent gear |
| 19:47.29 | Tem | (excluding mobs that are highly resistant/immune to their primary damage tree) |
| 19:47.44 | Stunlock | there no major +frost damage speells |
| 19:47.51 | Stunlock | not in the way that you get +shadow damage |
| 19:47.59 | Stunlock | sine frost is wholey dd |
| 19:48.06 | Stunlock | yet shadow gives warlocks dots too |
| 19:48.17 | Tem | but the problem there is that frost is /very/ reliable |
| 19:48.18 | Stunlock | and theres just omre +shadow damage around |
| 19:48.29 | Stunlock | well tem |
| 19:48.30 | Stunlock | the thing is |
| 19:48.42 | Tem | no I won't get any 2500 frostbolt crits without rediculous gear, but they are consistant |
| 19:48.42 | Stunlock | if you add +400 shadow damge on a warlock |
| 19:48.54 | Stunlock | the +400 frost damage on a mage gives the mage less of a dps boost |
| 19:49.09 | Tem | that's true |
| 19:49.09 | Stunlock | since the shadow damage works with curseo of aggony and coruption |
| 19:49.14 | Tem | but the warlock is still behind |
| 19:49.18 | Stunlock | wait |
| 19:49.22 | Stunlock | let me finish |
| 19:49.38 | Stunlock | since not only is +400 shadow damage easily atainable for warlocks |
| 19:49.45 | Stunlock | mages CANT get 400 frost |
| 19:49.52 | Stunlock | hell they're lucky to get 200 frost |
| 19:49.53 | Tem | that's not true |
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| 19:49.59 | Stunlock | it is |
| 19:50.01 | Tem | I saw a mage on the test server with 500 |
| 19:50.08 | Tem | before trinkets |
| 19:50.18 | Tem | From experience, I have /never/ been outdamaged by a warlock. Not even in MC where I just sit back and spam my MA button |
| 19:50.27 | Stunlock | there are more + shadow damage items than there are + frost, and + frost gives less damage than + shadow on items that are avaialble |
| 19:50.52 | Tem | oh and I have about +215 spell damage damage |
| 19:51.04 | Tain | That may be true, Stunlock, but frost still does more base damage. |
| 19:51.20 | Tem | and crits more :) |
| 19:51.22 | Stunlock | Tain: yes, but the point is the roles are swapped |
| 19:51.36 | Tem | my crit rate is 35% |
| 19:51.41 | Stunlock | warlocks were always intended to be the staple base daamage class |
| 19:51.49 | Tain | I've never played a Warlock, do the shadow spells have any other effects? |
| 19:51.54 | Tain | Why do you say that, Stunlock? |
| 19:51.56 | Stunlock | but the way they work is extreme, yet unreliable, burst damage |
| 19:52.15 | Stunlock | Tain: DoTs |
| 19:52.31 | Tain | DoTs aren't directly comparable to direct damage, though. |
| 19:52.48 | Tain | That argument has been going on ever since EverQuest. |
| 19:52.57 | Stunlock | but they have the dots *and* comparable base damage on spells |
| 19:53.09 | [Matryx] | er |
| 19:53.19 | [Matryx] | warlocks were always intended to be a utility class actually |
| 19:53.21 | Tain | I don't see it, I guess. |
| 19:53.31 | [Matryx] | since they do a little bit of everything, but not individually as good as anyone else |
| 19:53.33 | Tem | Stunlock: We're getting no where. So lets just agree to disagree. |
| 19:53.43 | [Matryx] | they had that in an interview with the devs somewhere ;) |
| 19:54.08 | Stunlock | MAtrix: yet at the moment, they're one of the two most powerful classes in the game ;) |
| 19:54.23 | [Matryx] | Y <-- not I ;) |
| 19:54.26 | [Matryx] | but yes, I agree |
| 19:54.41 | Stunlock | warlocks and hunters currently stand head and shoulders above any other class |
| 19:54.42 | kergoth | matryx isnt arguing that, he's arguing against your claim as to the _intent_, not what actually is |
| 19:54.45 | Tain | Situationally. |
| 19:54.52 | [Matryx] | thanks kergoth :) |
| 19:54.56 | [Matryx] | I was just typing that |
| 19:55.00 | Tain | Every class can be more powerful than others in certain situations. |
| 19:55.10 | Tem | WTF! |
| 19:55.23 | Tem | Something is seriously screwed up on my WoW |
| 19:55.30 | Tem | Seriously Seriously screwed up |
| 19:55.41 | Tem | I just reinstalled Ace,AceGUI and KCI |
| 19:55.47 | Tem | And KCI still doesn't work |
| 19:55.57 | Stunlock | Tain: in specific cases, yes. but in general day to day gameplay for PVP, there are classes that have significant advantages over others |
| 19:56.10 | Tem | I won't argue that |
| 19:56.18 | Tem | Warlocks kick mages ass any day in pvp |
| 19:56.23 | Stunlock | and not rock paper scissors, its more of a I beat everyone except class A |
| 19:56.27 | Tain | Yes, the class that gets the first shot off. |
| 19:56.36 | Stunlock | Warlocks kick most peoples ass in PvP |
| 19:56.51 | Tem | who does kill you? |
| 19:56.56 | Tem | warrior? |
| 19:57.04 | Stunlock | on which character? :) |
| 19:57.16 | Tem | Who kills warlocks in pvp? |
| 19:57.30 | Stunlock | not many people right now |
| 19:57.30 | kergoth | my shaman has never had much trouble with locks |
| 19:57.35 | kergoth | hunters are much more troublesome |
| 19:58.10 | Tain | It depends more on the player, anyway. And the situation. |
| 19:58.25 | Stunlock | Tain: thats simply not true in some cases |
| 19:58.32 | Tain | Two people stare at each othe face to face and say, "Go!" then there are classes that have definite advantages over others. |
| 19:58.49 | Stunlock | a demo lock with a fell hunter, even if youp played really badly, would beat a mage |
| 19:59.15 | Stunlock | and thats part of the problem |
| 19:59.21 | Tain | Well, I'll go with Tem's agree to disagree then. |
| 19:59.30 | Stunlock | they've adressed the rock paper scissors for some classes, but not others |
| 19:59.57 | Stunlock | now if they should have even adressed the rock paper scissors in the first palce is highly debatable |
| 20:00.13 | Tain | And a moot point. |
| 20:00.19 | Stunlock | true |
| 20:00.27 | Stunlock | but im bored of reading appauling code |
| 20:01.15 | Tain | Ah. Well I grew bored of questioning everything in online games about 8 years ago. :) |
| 20:01.23 | Stunlock | titanPanel has a registry for values. and one of the registry values is Registry.builtin |
| 20:01.42 | Stunlock | why on earth do you even need it to declare itself as a built in module? |
| 20:02.00 | Stunlock | surely it doesnt even matter |
| 20:02.31 | kergoth | titan sorts the addons in its menu by builtin vs not, when you're choosing what to enable/disable |
| 20:02.40 | kergoth | not sure why, but.. |
| 20:02.41 | Tem | I don't understand |
| 20:02.50 | Tem | Something is fucked up on my computer |
| 20:03.06 | Stunlock | kergoth: thats hardly an argument for good design |
| 20:03.14 | Tem | [string "KC_Items_LinkView"]:6: attempt to call method `Show' (a nil value) |
| 20:03.26 | Tem | when I try to open linkview |
| 20:03.38 | Stunlock | they should have simply done away with the built in section for the menu. it served no purpose anyway |
| 20:03.42 | Tem | but that's a fresh install of Ace, AceGUI and KCI |
| 20:05.16 | kergoth | Stunlock: i dont remember claiming it was. but thats why the field exists |
| 20:05.26 | Stunlock | yeah |
| 20:05.27 | kergoth | well, the menu can get pretty unweildy |
| 20:05.33 | kergoth | i have like 30 menu items between builtin and not |
| 20:05.35 | Stunlock | i remember the built in panels |
| 20:05.47 | kergoth | so the submenu isnt a bad thing, but i'd rather see a category system for that |
| 20:05.56 | Stunlock | yeah |
| 20:06.09 | Stunlock | again, doable |
| 20:06.16 | Tain | There's only 7-8 that I actually use with Titan. |
| 20:06.16 | kergoth | does titan allow multiple plugins with the same name? |
| 20:06.22 | kergoth | i could see a builtin vs not, both named Performance |
| 20:06.24 | kergoth | if it does |
| 20:06.37 | kergoth | in which case that may have been the reasoning |
| 20:06.49 | kergoth | but yeah, pure speculation |
| 20:06.52 | Stunlock | but im more just griping with bad code in general rather than caring |
| 20:08.05 | Stunlock | and why on earth is he bothering to give function arguments names like "arg1" and "arg2" if he's just referring variables via the global namespace anyway :( |
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| 22:11.12 | RasmusKL | hey |
| 22:20.43 | [Matryx] | yo |
| 22:24.35 | clad|sleep | evening |
| 22:24.44 | cladhaire | just found out I can't idle on IRC during the day any more |
| 22:25.06 | phyber | why not? |
| 22:25.06 | cladhaire | anyone know offhand how much power an XBox draws when someone's playing a game? |
| 22:25.29 | cladhaire | we had a utility hike, like everyone else.. but our gas didn go up much.. our electric skyrocketed compared to last years usage |
| 22:25.46 | phyber | ahh :( |
| 22:26.38 | cladhaire | Finished the embed work on AceHooks today =) |
| 22:27.18 | phyber | our electricity costs ~£100 quarterly. |
| 22:27.21 | phyber | have three computers running. |
| 22:27.29 | phyber | plus all the other house stuff. |
| 22:28.23 | cladhaire | *nod*. dunno why ours shot up. |
| 22:28.29 | cladhaire | but ima shut my computer down |
| 22:28.37 | cladhaire | we pay hella high gas prices, and it gets REALLY cold here, so. |
| 22:28.37 | Codayus | :-( |
| 22:29.20 | cladhaire | it was a delicious negative 8 today |
| 22:29.40 | Codayus | Ouch |
| 22:31.02 | [Matryx] | brrrr!" |
| 22:31.16 | [Matryx] | also *pokes cladhaire in the ribs playfully* :P |
| 22:31.37 | cladhaire | =) |
| 22:31.40 | [Matryx] | =) |
| 22:32.25 | cladhaire | bah.. i hate being sick |
| 22:32.31 | cladhaire | and UPS didn't deliver my package, so I have to go pick it up |
| 22:32.37 | cladhaire | bastards and their "Signature Required" =/ |
| 22:33.05 | cladhaire | hahaha |
| 22:33.18 | [Matryx] | yeah, UPS suck in general |
| 22:33.18 | cladhaire | so i told my roommate that people can't come over and use my Xbox anymore... |
| 22:33.23 | [Matryx] | we have a saying a work |
| 22:33.24 | cladhaire | Xbox live is there for a freaking reason... |
| 22:33.31 | [Matryx] | "UPS" - the sound they make when they drop our packages |
| 22:33.37 | cladhaire | hahah |
| 22:33.39 | cladhaire | fedex > ups |
| 22:33.43 | cladhaire | on all accounts |
| 22:46.25 | temafk | cladhaire: one computer running during the day all month will cost you ~ 10 dollars |
| 22:59.30 | cladhaire | Tem: I know. |
| 22:59.39 | cladhaire | Tem: but i have to do what I can .. i dont know why the usage skyrocketed |
| 22:59.56 | cladhaire | i suspect the xbox draws a lot.. not to mention whenever its on, the TV is on as well |
| 23:00.01 | cladhaire | I have an LCD which is low power, and always off. |
| 23:07.40 | [Matryx] | stills draw charge unless it's unplugged ;) |
| 23:09.39 | cladhaire | *nod* |
| 23:23.43 | Stunlock | wow |
| 23:23.50 | Stunlock | okay thats really bad |
| 23:24.01 | Stunlock | falling asleep at the wrong time just messes with you |
| 23:24.38 | Stunlock | now im gonna be awake till like 8 am and then im suddenly not gonna want to go into uni |
| 23:24.53 | [Matryx] | force yourself to go to sleep now |
| 23:25.02 | [Matryx] | I'm actually gonna turn in now to get my pattern back to normal |
| 23:35.19 | Stunlock | nah forcing myself isnt gonna work :/ |
