| 00:19.14 | Tem | kergoth: Why? |
| 00:19.30 | Tem | for debugging? |
| 00:21.18 | Industrial | for knwoing howmuch memory my ui uses |
| 00:21.35 | Industrial | :p |
| 00:23.25 | Tain | So someone from behind a VxWorks system has been trying to ssh into my system using random names. |
| 00:30.55 | kergoth | Tem: yeah, being able to do a Ace:print(tostring(blah)) and know at a glance whether its nil or not is a Good Thing |
| 00:31.04 | kergoth | Tem: you'll note that doing a tostring(nil) returns "nil" |
| 00:31.44 | kergoth | bleh |
| 00:48.29 | kergoth | <Tem> +kergoth: get() ISN'T implemented using Get |
| 00:48.29 | kergoth | <Tem> +look again |
| 00:48.34 | kergoth | function AceDatabase:get(...) |
| 00:48.34 | kergoth | »···if( getn(arg) < 1 ) then return self._table end |
| 00:48.34 | kergoth | »···local path, key = self:_GetArgs(arg) |
| 00:48.34 | kergoth | »···local val = path and self.Get[path][key] or self.Get[key] |
| 00:48.34 | kergoth | »···if( val == DBNIL ) then return end |
| 00:48.36 | kergoth | »···return val |
| 00:48.38 | kergoth | end |
| 00:48.57 | kergoth | but thats not the problem. |
| 00:49.07 | Tem | oh whoops |
| 00:49.10 | Tem | I didn't see that |
| 00:49.16 | Tem | I never looked at the code for get |
| 00:49.27 | Tem | just change those .Gets to .get |
| 00:49.49 | Industrial | why is there get and Get |
| 00:49.56 | Industrial | wnd why is there . and : |
| 00:50.07 | kergoth | eh? |
| 00:50.20 | Industrial | ad how do i recreate a pet bar with flexbar :| |
| 00:51.58 | kergoth | Tem: AceDB attaches the tableMeta table to each and every table in _table when the database is initialized. |
| 00:52.19 | kergoth | so every table in the table it got from getglobal() gets it attached, whether i'm ever going to use Set and Get or not |
| 00:52.34 | kergoth | if i get ahold of one of those tables via get, it then wont behave as expected |
| 00:52.56 | Tem | I don't follow |
| 00:53.12 | kergoth | okay, lets say i have BlahDB |
| 00:53.17 | kergoth | it is {foo="bar"} |
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| 00:53.22 | kergoth | or rather.. |
| 00:53.29 | kergoth | {foo={bar=1}} |
| 00:53.36 | kergoth | that gets saved to SV |
| 00:53.39 | kergoth | i reload |
| 00:53.52 | kergoth | when the database is initialized, it grabs that global and puts it in _table |
| 00:54.08 | kergoth | then attaches the metatable that returns DBNIL to BlahDB and the table in foo |
| 00:54.24 | Tem | right... |
| 00:54.26 | kergoth | then if i .. self.db:get("foo") .. that table will never return nil on indexes of things it doesnt have |
| 00:54.31 | kergoth | unlike the old behavior. |
| 00:54.36 | kergoth | thereby breaking many addons that use get() |
| 00:54.37 | Tem | yes it will |
| 00:54.40 | Tem | look at _get |
| 00:54.45 | kergoth | well, it doesnt. |
| 00:54.57 | kergoth | i'm not using your modified one, this is stock 0.103 |
| 00:54.59 | kergoth | fyi |
| 00:55.00 | Tem | It checks to see if it's return value is DBNIL and returns nil instead |
| 00:55.16 | Tem | I'm fairly confident I saw that in the stock one |
| 00:55.24 | kergoth | Tem: |
| 00:55.51 | kergoth | my call to get() returns a table. |
| 00:55.54 | kergoth | not dbnil |
| 00:55.58 | kergoth | one of _my_ tables in the db |
| 00:56.04 | kergoth | and _taht_ table has the metatable attached |
| 00:56.09 | kergoth | and i'm not using get() to index that table. |
| 00:56.12 | kergoth | i'm indexing it normally |
| 00:56.16 | kergoth | which breaks. |
| 00:56.36 | kergoth | again, it breaks a lot of existing addons that use get(), if they ever get a table from it. |
| 00:56.48 | kergoth | if i'm going to be doing 800 lookups on a table in my db, i'm not going to use get for each value |
| 00:56.58 | kergoth | i'm going to get the damn table, stuff it into a local, and look up there |
| 00:57.02 | kergoth | and i dont think i'm alone there. |
| 00:57.11 | Tem | you aren't |
| 00:57.54 | Tem | I'm going to look at it |
| 00:58.05 | Tem | I'm fairly sure db:get should be returning nil |
| 00:58.10 | kergoth | i'm not sure waht the correct solution is, but attaching the DBNIL mt to all my tables in the db is borked. |
| 00:58.12 | kergoth | you're not listening. |
| 00:58.21 | kergoth | get does return nil if i ask it for a nonexistant value |
| 00:58.25 | Tem | and direct indexing should return DBNIL |
| 00:58.25 | kergoth | but i'm not asking it for that. |
| 00:58.29 | kergoth | i'm asking it for one of my tables. |
| 00:58.41 | kergoth | and then i directly index _my_ table, which worked fine in old versions of ace |
| 00:59.04 | Tem | so you want a copy of the table that doesn't have the metatable? |
| 00:59.16 | kergoth | MyAddonDB = {foo={bar=1}} local myfootable = self.db:get("foo") myfootable.bleh == DBNIL |
| 00:59.29 | Tem | yes |
| 00:59.31 | kergoth | you have to to retain compatibility. |
| 00:59.32 | Tem | that's correct |
| 00:59.38 | kergoth | if i'm using get(), i cant _ever_ see a DBNIL |
| 00:59.42 | kergoth | or you break existing logic. |
| 00:59.49 | kergoth | i shouldtn have to rework my addon to use existing interfaces. |
| 00:59.50 | Tem | damnit |
| 01:00.00 | kergoth | this just broke informatips |
| 01:00.01 | Tem | I see what you mean now |
| 01:00.04 | kergoth | had to completely rework it |
| 01:00.17 | kergoth | if i ask get for the final index directly rather than a table, life is good |
| 01:00.22 | kergoth | or, if i use Get and account for DBNIL |
| 01:00.30 | kergoth | but if i ask get() for a table and dont, you're hosed |
| 01:01.22 | Tem | I can't see a way around it either |
| 01:01.34 | Tem | Aside from returning a copy of the table |
| 01:01.44 | kergoth | it doesnt need to be a copy.. a proxy would work |
| 01:01.53 | kergoth | dunno how else.. |
| 01:01.54 | kergoth | hmm |
| 01:01.57 | Tem | a proxy would break iteration |
| 01:02.14 | kergoth | guh, lua needs __pairs |
| 01:02.27 | Tem | no |
| 01:02.31 | Tem | it just needs __bool |
| 01:02.35 | Tem | that would fix it all |
| 01:02.47 | Tem | DBNIL.__bool = function() return end |
| 01:02.47 | kergoth | nod. make DBNIL evaluate as false |
| 01:03.27 | kergoth | well, either we find a way around this, or we kill off the set/get interface and declare a full on compatibility break. |
| 01:03.30 | kergoth | afaict. |
| 01:03.55 | Tem | I don't understand why AceDB needs to be so complicated |
| 01:04.15 | kergoth | this is way messier than it needs to be. automagictables is more elegant, even if it does need the same DBNIL hack |
| 01:04.16 | kergoth | imho |
| 01:04.27 | Tem | the automagic tables are nice, but why? |
| 01:04.33 | Tem | I know when I need a table |
| 01:04.53 | kergoth | the only reason we need the db interface at all is for profiles |
| 01:04.55 | kergoth | right? |
| 01:05.04 | Tem | yep |
| 01:05.23 | kergoth | so lets make self.db point to a damn profilepath'd prefixed location and call it done |
| 01:05.28 | kergoth | or something like that |
| 01:05.29 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:06.12 | Tem | you don't always want to mess with profile level settings |
| 01:06.18 | Tem | sometimes you need global settings |
| 01:07.07 | kergoth | wouldnt a function call for that be sufficient? get_me_a_profilepath_prefixed_table(self.db)[foo] |
| 01:07.16 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:08.54 | kergoth | i dunno |
| 01:09.00 | kergoth | its a mess |
| 01:09.05 | Tem | we need to get Turan in here |
| 01:09.09 | kergoth | yep |
| 01:09.10 | Tem | so we can discuss it with him |
| 01:09.18 | Tem | the current system is bad |
| 01:09.24 | Tem | the improved system is a mess |
| 01:09.25 | kergoth | could start a thread, but its not as realtime |
| 01:09.30 | Tem | and compatibility is a nightmare |
| 01:12.07 | Tem | This is when I wish again that rici was a WoW addon dev |
| 01:15.24 | Tain | Someone send him a free copy and get him hooked. |
| 01:15.37 | kergoth | Tem: i think we should do: |
| 01:15.42 | kergoth | self.db = FooAddonDB |
| 01:15.42 | kergoth | self.pdb = profiledTable(self.db) |
| 01:15.53 | kergoth | and just operate on them as normal tables, using whichever one you need |
| 01:15.57 | kergoth | do that in Initialize |
| 01:16.20 | kergoth | better yet, self.db = FooAddonDB or FOOADDON_DEFAULTS |
| 01:16.32 | kergoth | erm, no |
| 01:16.34 | kergoth | but you get the idea |
| 01:16.38 | kergoth | heh |
| 01:17.39 | kergoth | more like if not FooAddonDB then FooAddonDB = FOOADDON_DEFAULTS end self.db = FooAddonDB self.pdb = profiledTable(self.db) |
| 01:17.46 | Tem | pdb being a proxy |
| 01:17.53 | kergoth | doesnt even have to |
| 01:18.00 | Tem | yes |
| 01:18.06 | Tem | because the current profile can change |
| 01:18.07 | kergoth | it can be directly return a subtable of db. |
| 01:18.16 | kergoth | ah, on teh fly.. |
| 01:18.18 | kergoth | forgot about that |
| 01:18.27 | kergoth | thatd work then, yeah |
| 01:18.55 | kergoth | all of that could easily be hidden behind a convenience function or two to make it pretty, but thats all it comes down to |
| 01:19.12 | Tem | better idea |
| 01:19.18 | Tem | keep the old DB system in tack |
| 01:19.38 | Tem | we should just write a new one |
| 01:19.47 | Tem | from scratch |
| 01:20.01 | kergoth | yeah, thatll do. mark the old one as deprecated for a few versions |
| 01:20.02 | Tem | erm, in tact* |
| 01:20.29 | Tem | if we are feeling masochistic we can use the automagic tables |
| 01:20.42 | Tem | but I think I finally agree with rici here |
| 01:20.44 | kergoth | i think you're right, they're cool, but overkill |
| 01:20.53 | kergoth | if a user wants them, damnit, they can make a util out of them |
| 01:20.54 | Tem | they are just a perverse example of something cool you can do with lua |
| 01:21.31 | kergoth | i do want convience functions /utils for things like creating / getting portions of a table structure |
| 01:21.43 | kergoth | either a path as a table or as a dot seperated the way its done in env |
| 01:21.55 | kergoth | since i'm lazy and all |
| 01:22.04 | Tem | why not just index it directly? |
| 01:22.50 | Tem | creating a table structure I can understand |
| 01:22.53 | Tem | but getting one? |
| 01:23.20 | kergoth | yeah, thats true. i'm thinking of env, where teh api defines that the user specifies the path as dot seperated, so it needs to both get/set via that |
| 01:23.44 | Tem | I wonder what is faster |
| 01:23.53 | Tem | the string parsing done with the dot notation |
| 01:23.57 | kergoth | or a table? |
| 01:24.00 | Tem | or the path as a table |
| 01:24.08 | kergoth | i'd think a table. |
| 01:24.10 | Tem | I lean towards a single string |
| 01:24.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:24.16 | Tem | but I think the table is probably faster |
| 01:24.45 | kergoth | string is certainly more pleasant to look at, thats certain |
| 01:24.46 | Tem | I'm somewhat paranoid about needless creation of tables because of ItemCompare |
| 01:24.57 | kergoth | yeah, there is that. tables have overhead |
| 01:25.47 | Stylpe | SUP BITCHES |
| 01:25.58 | Tem | the sky |
| 01:26.10 | kergoth | debating more highly intrusive Ace core changes |
| 01:26.45 | Stylpe | Tem: Would ItemCompare blow up if I tried to use it with Ace 1.2.5? |
| 01:27.01 | Tem | because it requires the new hooking style added in 0.103 |
| 01:27.07 | Tem | it shouldn't even load |
| 01:27.12 | Stylpe | aww |
| 01:27.20 | Tem | it should say "Ace Compatibiliy conflict" or something |
| 01:27.21 | Stylpe | Is the beta usable? |
| 01:27.27 | Tem | sure it works |
| 01:27.36 | Tem | it doesn't compare damage |
| 01:27.47 | Tem | and ignore Equip: and Use: lines |
| 01:27.50 | Tem | but it works otherwise |
| 01:28.07 | Tem | but Ace 0.103 is borked |
| 01:28.10 | Tem | so don't bother |
| 01:28.23 | Stylpe | I was asking about ace .103 =P |
| 01:28.53 | Tem | oh |
| 01:30.06 | Tem | So I guess if we plan on rewriting the db system, we should go ahead and learn how the profile system works... |
| 01:30.08 | Tain | I probably would never make it as a professional coder. |
| 01:30.19 | kergoth | Tem: heh, indeed |
| 01:30.21 | Tem | why's that? |
| 01:30.34 | Tain | My mail auction addon is slow as hell to automatically retreive all of your winnings from the inbox. |
| 01:30.40 | Tem | kergoth: is that in AceData |
| 01:30.45 | kergoth | yeah |
| 01:30.47 | Tain | But it's full of safechecks to make sure nothing is lost. |
| 01:30.54 | kergoth | it really doesnt look like theres that much to it |
| 01:31.32 | kergoth | turan really needs to get on irc. |
| 01:31.41 | kergoth | i want to bounce our localization/i18n ideas by him too |
| 01:31.43 | Tem | he was once |
| 01:31.45 | kergoth | among other things |
| 01:31.53 | Tem | but he was "zzz" the whole time |
| 01:31.55 | Tain | Yeah he was on about twice. |
| 01:31.57 | Tem | ~seen turan_zzz |
| 01:32.03 | purl | turan_zzz <n=chatzill@pcp09089101pcs.flint01.mi.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel ##ace, 13d 21h 51m 38s ago, saying: 'i'm pleased :P'. |
| 01:32.03 | Tain | But that's been it. |
| 01:32.05 | kergoth | he hasnt responded to my latest forum posts either |
| 01:32.11 | kergoth | course my posts rarely get replies anyway |
| 01:32.13 | kergoth | but still! |
| 01:32.14 | Tain | Jeez it was that long ago? |
| 01:32.28 | Tem | I think he said he was going away for a week or two |
| 01:32.28 | Tain | The days keep disappearing on me. |
| 01:32.39 | Tain | Did he go to Blizzcon? :) |
| 01:32.43 | kergoth | okay, think we can have ace rewritten in 2 weeks? |
| 01:32.44 | Tem | ~seen turan |
| 01:32.45 | purl | i haven't seen 'turan', Tem |
| 01:32.46 | Tem | I doubt it |
| 01:33.09 | Tem | I think we could mangle ace into something no one recognizes in two weeks |
| 01:33.15 | Tain | Someone asked me if I was going, I tried to answer no as politely as I could. |
| 01:33.42 | Tem | I would have liked to go, but getting to the left coast is beyond my means |
| 01:33.52 | Tain | I wouldn't go for Blizzcon. |
| 01:33.59 | Tem | why? |
| 01:34.09 | Tain | I have been to the Game Developer's Conference, that is a goddamn awesome conf. |
| 01:34.46 | Tain | Blizzcon is going to be full of basically people talking about how wonderful Blizzard is. |
| 01:35.01 | Tem | hah |
| 01:37.35 | Tain | I can't even think about the rest of Ace. Once I get past this nonsense I'm working on I want to do a lot of stuff with Visor. |
| 01:37.52 | Tain | So don't break Visor with your changes. It breaks easily enough without them. :) |
| 01:38.06 | Tem | There is something about Visor that makes me uneasy |
| 01:38.18 | Tem | almost makes me want to rewrite it myself |
| 01:38.41 | Stylpe | We could make Ace 2 |
| 01:38.48 | kergoth | Stylpe: thats what i'm thinking. |
| 01:38.59 | kergoth | major version change, scrap compatibility, rework some apis, clean things up |
| 01:39.10 | Stylpe | So, Rowne's mind-reading spell actually WORKS! |
| 01:40.15 | Stylpe | Ooh! Ooh! Can I do all the string patterns? :D |
| 01:40.25 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:40.30 | kergoth | i suck at those :) |
| 01:40.45 | Stylpe | Lua patterns are just fun! |
| 01:40.57 | Stylpe | But Regex scares me |
| 01:41.12 | kergoth | i love regex |
| 01:41.16 | kergoth | lua patterns are so limited |
| 01:41.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:42.10 | Tain | Actually to be honest once I really understood Visor better I was surprised at how simple it really is. |
| 01:42.37 | Tain | and how much absolute nonsense is in DART, for example. |
| 01:42.48 | Stylpe | I think I want to rewrite ParseByName right now to support quotes! |
| 01:43.08 | kergoth | Stylpe: lua has a match for 'balanced' things built in, doesnt it? |
| 01:43.18 | Stylpe | yep |
| 01:43.23 | kergoth | should be pretty painless then :D |
| 01:43.28 | kergoth | its a bit of a pian in the ass with regex |
| 01:43.31 | kergoth | doesnt have that |
| 01:44.00 | Tain | Yeah lua does. I was looking at it while figuring out other things. |
| 01:44.17 | Stylpe | I don't know how well it would work when both chars are the same, though |
| 01:44.41 | Stylpe | I shall try it! |
| 01:44.59 | Stylpe | But I was also hoping to support escaped quotes |
| 01:47.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 01:47.39 | kergoth | thatd be cool |
| 01:47.46 | kergoth | hard to do with a small amount of patterns, i'd think |
| 01:49.38 | Tem | Has anyone ever actually used the profile system? |
| 01:50.11 | Stylpe | nope |
| 01:50.34 | Stylpe | Ok, can you guys help me create a really complex string I can test with? |
| 01:50.53 | Stylpe | Do your worst! |
| 01:51.03 | Tem | I've just created a loaded a profile for my current character, but when I change an option it seems to be changing it under the default profile |
| 01:53.21 | Tem | Oh I see |
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| 02:00.16 | Nakitomimaru | Evening |
| 02:03.24 | Stylpe | evening |
| 02:12.15 | Tain | ~today |
| 02:12.19 | purl | Saturday is the day that sucks the least! |
| 02:12.24 | Tain | So true. |
| 02:12.26 | Stylpe | Crikey! I think I did it! |
| 02:12.41 | Stylpe | Okay, I really need you to make me some badass strings |
| 02:12.49 | Stylpe | With quotes (") |
| 02:12.56 | Stylpe | ("x") |
| 02:14.15 | Stylpe | But no escaped quotes yet |
| 02:16.21 | kergoth | nice |
| 02:16.24 | Stylpe | And please use | instead of Visors # |
| 02:18.06 | Stylpe | Holy crap, sub-quotes work too!§ |
| 02:18.29 | kergoth | ~praise lua |
| 02:18.31 | purl | All hail lua! |
| 02:18.37 | Stylpe | pff |
| 02:18.42 | Stylpe | ~praise me |
| 02:18.43 | purl | All hail stylpe! |
| 02:18.51 | Stylpe | That's more like it >:) |
| 02:19.00 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:19.22 | Stylpe | Wow, it really works! |
| 02:19.32 | Stylpe | Hold on, lemme pastebin it |
| 02:20.26 | Stylpe | http://pastebin.com/409620 |
| 02:20.33 | Stylpe | Break it! I dare you! |
| 02:21.18 | Stylpe | Hold on |
| 02:21.38 | Stylpe | http://pastebin.com/409623 |
| 02:22.44 | Stylpe | Basically, I check if there's a quote after the = and I capture that, then check for what I captured at the end |
| 02:23.13 | Stylpe | Ahh, there's a part I can delete: ".." |
| 02:23.51 | Stylpe | c'mon! Try it! |
| 02:24.02 | Stylpe | http://pastebin.com/409626 |
| 02:27.15 | Stylpe | aww |
| 02:29.06 | Stylpe | Tain! Tem! |
| 02:29.25 | Stylpe | Rowne! :( |
| 02:29.46 | Stylpe | ~emulate hajimi |
| 02:29.47 | purl | Fat Bong :O Fat Bong :( I am so annoyed. |
| 02:30.12 | Stylpe | ~emulate filthy ninja |
| 02:30.14 | purl | :P :P :P |
| 02:30.18 | Stylpe | :D |
| 02:30.36 | Stylpe | ~potato |
| 02:30.37 | purl | potato is probably Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 02:30.46 | Stylpe | aww |
| 02:32.12 | Stylpe | I know! I'll post it in the forums! |
| 02:34.56 | Stylpe | http://wowace.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=7550 |
| 02:35.18 | kergoth | hehe |
| 02:36.11 | Stylpe | That was a lot eassier than I had hoped =( |
| 02:36.17 | Stylpe | s/eassier/easier |
| 02:37.06 | Stylpe | It was like: "Look up string patterns... Hmm, I wonder if that works.... Oh, it did!" |
| 02:37.27 | Stylpe | Now what should I do? |
| 02:38.27 | Stylpe | Maybe you could point me towards those crazy dark Lua magic things you and Tem have been fiddling with lately |
| 02:48.45 | Tain | eh huh what |
| 02:49.00 | Tain | I thought you said crazy drunk Lua magic |
| 02:49.03 | Tain | that's me |
| 02:50.09 | Stylpe | hehe |
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| 02:53.48 | Tain | Got my Rogue to 60 and now I don't feel like playing him.hehe |
| 02:54.30 | Stylpe | aww |
| 02:55.28 | Tain | Well, sort of. Rogue is the most fun class i've played so far. |
| 02:55.46 | Tain | I just did it on a server with a friend of mine, but the guild sort of... well sucks. |
| 02:56.08 | Stylpe | Gotta have a good guild |
| 02:56.15 | Stylpe | A friendly guild |
| 02:56.46 | Stylpe | I've found that communism works great when a guild is born and growing |
| 02:57.49 | Tain | On the other hand I quit my 60 Mage on another server because I couldn't deal with the mandatory MC raids 3 times a week. |
| 02:59.15 | kergoth | i like small, close knit, friendly guilds |
| 02:59.39 | Tain | I do too, when they're not incompetant. |
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| 03:01.23 | kergoth | yeah, that helps |
| 03:01.41 | Stylpe | We should definitely make an Ace guild |
| 03:01.55 | ToastTheif | I pick Blood Elf |
| 03:02.17 | Stylpe | And call it Kings of Convenience, named after a Norwegian band |
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| 03:04.36 | Tem | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:04.38 | Stylpe | Aaaaargh, it feels like I've drunk a bucket of coffee |
| 03:04.51 | Stylpe | but I haven't had a drop |
| 03:05.03 | Stylpe | Can sugar have that effect? |
| 03:05.15 | Tem | 8 level 35ish noobs just tried to gank my mage |
| 03:05.19 | Tem | I 0wned them |
| 03:05.25 | Stylpe | mage level? |
| 03:05.29 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:05.30 | Tem | Aoe ftw |
| 03:05.39 | Tem | (I'm a 60 mage) |
| 03:05.42 | Stylpe | ooh |
| 03:05.54 | Tem | I was out in hammerfall harrassing the guards |
| 03:06.04 | Tem | so about 8 of them attacked me at once |
| 03:06.24 | Tem | frostnova > CoC > snap > repeat > dead noobs |
| 03:06.31 | Stylpe | hehe |
| 03:06.40 | ToastTheif | tinyurl.com/bjj5r |
| 03:06.49 | Tem | then when they rezzed I was nice and didn't gank them |
| 03:06.56 | Tem | I sheeped a few just to annoy them |
| 03:07.00 | ToastTheif | http://tinyurl.com/bjj5r |
| 03:07.02 | ToastTheif | * |
| 03:07.06 | Stylpe | ToastTheif: O RLY |
| 03:07.13 | ToastTheif | mhmmm |
| 03:07.15 | Tem | then would run up to them an attack unarmed |
| 03:07.20 | Tem | hitting for like 5 |
| 03:07.30 | Stylpe | Tem: You're such a tease |
| 03:08.32 | Stylpe | Gawd, I want things to happen NOW! Why isn't anyone awake to try out PbN3? |
| 03:08.50 | Tem | Well I didn't want to be a dick and kill them |
| 03:09.00 | Tem | I didn't want to corpse camp them either |
| 03:09.13 | Tem | so I only killed them if they attacked me |
| 03:09.21 | Stylpe | And they did? =P |
| 03:09.25 | Tem | twice |
| 03:09.30 | Stylpe | lofl |
| 03:09.36 | Tem | they tried their all attack at once thing twice |
| 03:09.44 | Tem | I destoyed them easily both times |
| 03:09.58 | Tem | s/destoyed/destroyed/ |
| 03:10.06 | Stylpe | tough lesson, huh? |
| 03:10.21 | Tem | some people just don't learn fast |
| 03:10.26 | Stylpe | took a few tries to teach them |
| 03:10.48 | Stylpe | YAY! I found my ball! |
| 03:10.57 | Stylpe | </bored> |
| 03:11.00 | Tem | really if I had not been a mage they might have been successfull |
| 03:11.42 | Tem | warrior / lock / hunter / rogue / |
| 03:12.13 | Tem | without my AoE prowess I would have been hosed against all 8 of them |
| 03:12.13 | Stylpe | Warrior could use Retaliation once, then he'd be suffering |
| 03:12.28 | Tem | one at a time though.. it was funny |
| 03:12.48 | Stylpe | I dunno, I've whipped 4 lvl55 mobs at once easily |
| 03:12.49 | Tem | this one rogue that I could see from like 30 feet away kept cheapshoting me |
| 03:14.06 | Tem | so then I'd nova him and get a frostbolt crit for more damage than he had life |
| 03:14.12 | kergoth | lol |
| 03:14.23 | Tem | then the funny part is that he would do it again |
| 03:14.42 | Tem | I mean it's if the stove is hot and you touch it, you burn yourself |
| 03:14.46 | Tem | then you don't fucking do it again |
| 03:15.27 | Tem | Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results |
| 03:16.05 | Stylpe | Is that the 'official' definition? |
| 03:16.10 | Tem | I dunno |
| 03:16.17 | Tem | It's my definition |
| 03:17.54 | Tem | Oh btw if anyone here is an alchemist... |
| 03:18.04 | Tem | Get your hands on the Greater Fire Protection Potion recipe |
| 03:18.06 | Tain | Yes? |
| 03:18.08 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 03:18.16 | Tem | I'm making barrel-loads of gold |
| 03:18.21 | Tem | 18g a stack |
| 03:18.26 | Tem | and I'm undercutting the market |
| 03:18.39 | Stylpe | eh, depends on the server |
| 03:18.57 | Tem | I can buy the components for less than 10g a stack |
| 03:18.58 | Tain | Yeha, I haven't been able to find one. |
| 03:19.42 | Tem | so without farming I can make money at the AH |
| 03:19.50 | Tem | I made 30 gold this afternoon |
| 03:19.53 | Tain | heh |
| 03:20.00 | Tem | without leaving IF |
| 03:20.01 | Tain | I make 100 gold a day on a good day in the AH. |
| 03:20.12 | Tem | what all do you sell? |
| 03:20.33 | Stylpe | Teach me your secrets! |
| 03:20.50 | Tain | Depends. I just buy and resell. |
| 03:20.52 | Tem | major mana is a another easy seller |
| 03:21.03 | Tain | The key is knowing which stuff you can actually make money on. |
| 03:21.25 | Tain | Lots of people try with auctioneer, but you can't rely on it. |
| 03:21.32 | Tain | Certain thing sell, others don't. |
| 03:22.42 | Tem | I heard that back in April someone bought out the entire trade goods secion of the AH |
| 03:22.46 | Tem | and put it all back up for mroe |
| 03:22.51 | Tem | more* |
| 03:23.03 | Tain | Once you get a good cash stockpile you can hit up some of the higher priced things for big profits. |
| 03:23.08 | Tain | Yeah I've heard that happen a few times. |
| 03:23.08 | kergoth | heh, i used to make a boatload of money buying stuff that was being sold under its value and reselling |
| 03:25.50 | Tain | But at the same time you can never go wrong selling resources. Herbs, Ore, Leather, etc. |
| 03:26.28 | Stylpe | Yeah, I heard mining Un'Goro for thorium and arcane crystals make sgood gols |
| 03:26.32 | Stylpe | *gold |
| 03:26.46 | Stylpe | Ima gonna do that right now |
| 03:26.55 | Stylpe | (don't have the fire prot recipe) |
| 03:26.59 | Tain | Believe it or not hitting Un'Goro just for Un'Goro soil will net you a bunch. |
| 03:27.06 | Tem | yeah lol |
| 03:27.24 | Stylpe | O RLY |
| 03:28.03 | Tain | Yeah ok, whoever was the first to do that O RLY just made the list. |
| 03:28.35 | Tain | when I get my time machine he'll be one of the people I visit to kick square in the nuts. |
| 03:29.01 | Stylpe | Haha, I love the new /rarly command in CTRA! |
| 03:33.04 | Tem | what's it do? |
| 03:33.59 | Stylpe | Pops up a dialog that reads "O RLY" with two buttons "YA RLY" and "NO RLY" |
| 03:34.11 | Tain | Nonsense |
| 03:34.17 | Stylpe | Truth! |
| 03:34.20 | kergoth | bloat. |
| 03:34.27 | Stylpe | Easter egg. |
| 03:37.48 | Tem | lol anyone see "bank-o-matic"? |
| 03:38.15 | Tem | rowne's sell o matic has spawned 2 addons that do different things with the same interface |
| 03:38.18 | Tem | that's cool |
| 03:40.15 | Tem | kergoth: did you comprehend the profile system yet? |
| 03:40.30 | Tem | kergoth: or did you get distracted again? |
| 03:40.41 | Stylpe | He's doing Uldaman |
| 03:40.51 | Tem | surely it doesn't take that long to do uld |
| 03:43.14 | Tain | I had the worst Strath run last night. |
| 03:44.10 | Tain | OH look, where did that full glass of rum&coke come from? |
| 03:44.32 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:44.37 | kergoth | we're on the end fight, big guy |
| 03:44.42 | Tem | bout time |
| 03:44.50 | kergoth | no tank in the group, we just got whooped |
| 03:44.54 | kergoth | trying again after using my ankh :P |
| 03:45.11 | Tem | I rushed someone though uld last week in 45 minutes |
| 03:45.41 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:45.49 | Tem | but we had a tank |
| 03:45.58 | kergoth | we've got 2 level 40 shadow priests, a 45 hunter, 51 rogue, and me, a 56 shammy |
| 03:45.58 | Tem | and I'm also a mage, so I kill shit really fast |
| 03:46.06 | kergoth | went pretty quick up till now |
| 03:46.08 | Tem | oh you aren't 60 |
| 03:46.13 | kergoth | naw |
| 03:46.13 | Tem | no wonder |
| 03:46.16 | kergoth | :) |
| 03:46.24 | kergoth | if i played some instead of fucking with lua all the time |
| 03:46.26 | kergoth | i probably would be |
| 03:46.28 | kergoth | but.. |
| 03:46.28 | kergoth | ;) |
| 03:46.59 | Tem | no that's fine fucking with lua is a Good Thing |
| 03:48.08 | Stylpe | ...must resist..... |
| 03:48.13 | Stylpe | O RLY |
| 03:48.44 | Stylpe | Damn. It's just like with Bender and magnets... |
| 03:50.56 | kergoth | woot, kicked his ass that time |
| 03:51.24 | Stylpe | epix? |
| 03:55.55 | kergoth | epix? |
| 03:55.57 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 03:56.01 | purl | If I had a hole in my throat, I'd put pennies in it |
| 03:56.05 | kergoth | hehe |
| 03:57.00 | Stylpe | epix is epic items |
| 03:57.36 | kergoth | ah right |
| 03:57.37 | kergoth | heh |
| 03:57.46 | Stylpe | I wonder if purl picked that up |
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| 03:57.48 | kergoth | l56, havent even done a full brd run yet |
| 03:57.49 | Stylpe | epix? |
| 03:57.51 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 03:57.53 | purl | If I had a hole in my throat, I'd put pennies in it |
| 03:57.57 | kergoth | bah |
| 03:57.59 | Stylpe | ~epix |
| 03:58.02 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 03:58.03 | purl | It'll be a good chance to get away from the evil monkey that lives in my closet. |
| 04:01.08 | Stylpe | Can I use Visor to make a frame transparent to the mouse, i.e. I can click 'through' it? |
| 04:06.55 | kergoth | Stylpe: just set its alpha to 0.0 |
| 04:07.06 | kergoth | its still there, just transparent |
| 04:07.10 | Stylpe | But I still want to see it |
| 04:07.15 | kergoth | ohhh i see |
| 04:07.21 | kergoth | hmm |
| 04:07.36 | Parak | that's framestrata, no |
| 04:07.50 | kergoth | it isnt just framestrata |
| 04:08.02 | kergoth | lots of frames can be locked and then clicked through while they're locked |
| 04:08.05 | kergoth | take monkeyquest for example |
| 04:08.06 | Stylpe | I can't very well put it behind WorldFrame, now, can I? |
| 04:08.09 | kergoth | i just dont know how to do it offhand |
| 04:08.41 | Stylpe | Well, sleep is finally overcoming me for tonight |
| 04:08.56 | Stylpe | Pity, I just reached Un'goro |
| 04:09.30 | Stylpe | Don't forget to try to break PbN3! |
| 04:09.36 | Stylpe | ninight |
| 04:10.52 | kergoth | ~emulate chris |
| 04:10.54 | purl | When I stick this army guy with the sharp bayonette up my nose, it tickles my brain. Hah hah hah ... ow. Oh, now I don't know math. |
| 04:25.14 | *** part/##ace Tem (n=Matt@ip70-177-40-169.br.br.cox.net) |
| 05:15.27 | kergoth | ~emulate peter |
| 05:15.33 | purl | emulate peter is probably "<reply> You know those Germans; if you don't join the party, they come get you. |
| 05:15.59 | kergoth | eh |
| 05:16.01 | kergoth | wtf |
| 05:18.36 | Tain | Yeah. |
| 05:20.35 | kergoth | ~emulate stewie |
| 05:20.37 | purl | Yes, I rather like this God fellow. He's very theatrical, you know, a pestilence here, a plague there. Omnipotence. Gotta get me some of that. |
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| 05:25.17 | Tain | heh |
| 05:58.08 | kergoth | damn, aceperl rocks |
| 05:58.12 | kergoth | color me impressed |
| 06:28.08 | FryGuy | aceduf :p |
| 07:10.16 | kergoth | sigh. yet another brd run foiled by people abandoning the group half way through |
| 07:10.18 | kergoth | :( |
| 07:10.28 | kergoth | i fucking hate pickup groups |
| 07:24.20 | weab | they come up with some of the greatest excuses to leave though |
| 07:24.26 | weab | its glorious |
| 07:24.45 | kergoth | hehe |
| 07:24.49 | kergoth | true that |
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| 07:29.39 | Nakitomimaru | Night. |
| 07:30.24 | kergoth | sleep.. good idea |
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| 12:27.09 | Randor | hm.. can somebody tell me how big the wow/Data-folder is on your hdd? |
| 12:30.22 | *** join/##ace Industrial (n=tom@hellsblade.xs4all.nl) |
| 12:33.34 | Industrial | morning |
| 12:42.26 | Randor | g'monring industrial |
| 12:42.41 | Randor | can you tell me the size of your wow/Data folder? |
| 12:42.55 | Industrial | ok |
| 12:43.13 | Industrial | 5.46GB |
| 12:43.18 | Industrial | 4.46GB |
| 12:43.19 | Industrial | * |
| 12:43.49 | Randor | hm |
| 12:44.10 | Industrial | sup? :) |
| 12:47.24 | Randor | kinda huge or not? :) |
| 12:47.39 | Industrial | .join #freeware |
| 12:47.41 | Industrial | oops |
| 12:47.46 | Randor | almost :) |
| 12:48.02 | Industrial | i need a good freeware program for viewing images |
| 12:48.08 | Randor | irfanview |
| 12:48.54 | Industrial | one in the fashion of windows image and fax viewer, fast and capable of showing alot of formats like tga |
| 12:49.02 | Industrial | Ki ill try irfanview |
| 12:50.21 | Randor | it supports lots of formats and is free afair |
| 12:50.37 | Randor | and it's small |
| 12:52.27 | Industrial | got it, nice |
| 12:52.28 | Industrial | :) |
| 12:52.40 | Randor | ;) |
| 12:53.08 | Randor | hm.. i can't follow your argumentation in the forum (difference between buff- and fishbot) |
| 12:53.20 | Randor | a buffbot buffs you and/or your allies |
| 12:53.26 | Randor | a fishbot fishes for you, right? |
| 12:53.31 | Industrial | yes |
| 12:53.43 | Industrial | but they both help you get higher levels very quickly |
| 12:53.55 | Randor | how does a buffbot help you in leveling? |
| 12:54.00 | Industrial | o_O |
| 12:54.07 | Industrial | get a new char |
| 12:54.07 | Randor | honestly |
| 12:54.18 | Industrial | get the lvl 50 buffbot to stick to it |
| 12:54.28 | Industrial | you level and shop reds and the thing buffs you like mad |
| 12:54.29 | Industrial | + heal |
| 12:54.35 | Randor | ah, we are talking of an additional char that buffs you |
| 12:54.40 | Industrial | yes |
| 12:54.42 | Industrial | thats a buffbot |
| 12:54.49 | Industrial | people buy 2 accounts for it |
| 12:54.53 | Randor | ok, then i know what i missunderstood :) |
| 12:54.57 | Industrial | its fucking lame and i hate them :| |
| 12:55.08 | Randor | i was thinking of a buffbot as kinda AutoBuff addon or Decursive |
| 12:55.18 | Industrial | and the fishing bot is very easy, its just a macro that looks for pixels. |
| 12:55.23 | Industrial | Randor: nah |
| 12:55.45 | Industrial | Randor: you can even set your other character, the bot to buff other people and run after them with !commands |
| 12:55.58 | Industrial | in daoc you can /follow no matter what happens |
| 12:56.04 | Industrial | it alls takes care of himself |
| 12:56.06 | Industrial | also* |
| 12:56.25 | Industrial | if he gets aggro he buffs himself + heals anyone that needs it + attacks the target |
| 12:56.28 | Industrial | its jsut so lame |
| 12:56.57 | Industrial | you could make an attacking bot oo in wow |
| 12:57.22 | Industrial | you could argue that the bot doesnt know where the target is because its a macro |
| 12:57.30 | Industrial | but you can send hardware events with macros |
| 12:57.36 | Industrial | just turn left/right untill you hit the thing |
| 12:57.55 | Industrial | you could make the bot farm gold/mobs all day |
| 12:58.01 | Industrial | its jsut so lame |
| 12:58.03 | Industrial | >:( |
| 12:58.51 | Industrial | and easy to so |
| 12:58.52 | Industrial | to do* |
| 12:59.13 | Industrial | but lets talk about something else ;) |
| 12:59.34 | Randor | i you could combine the makro bot with an addon.. to prevent its dumbness.. |
| 12:59.36 | Randor | :) |
| 12:59.41 | Industrial | yes |
| 12:59.50 | Industrial | with visor you could make a button disappear |
| 13:00.16 | Industrial | but appear with a colored background somewhere on the screen where the macro looks |
| 13:00.22 | Industrial | rgb color |
| 13:00.30 | Industrial | you can react to anything you can hook in wow |
| 13:01.23 | Randor | pretty easie... |
| 13:01.29 | Industrial | yep told oyu :| |
| 13:01.31 | Randor | i think i'll do it :P |
| 13:01.32 | Randor | ;) |
| 13:01.43 | Industrial | i will hit you with a bat! |
| 13:01.47 | Industrial | :@ |
| 13:02.02 | Industrial | anyway, Randor... |
| 13:02.08 | Industrial | i dont have any high levle characters |
| 13:02.13 | Randor | nah.. i've never understood where the fun is with botting.. same for counterstrike... the whole challenge with aimbots was to click the left mousebutton.. |
| 13:02.18 | Randor | why not? |
| 13:02.27 | Industrial | Randor: heh you hacked cs? |
| 13:02.33 | Industrial | me too |
| 13:02.33 | Industrial | :> |
| 13:02.39 | Randor | no, i saw hacked cs in action ;) |
| 13:02.45 | Industrial | but i played only cheat vs cheat |
| 13:02.50 | Industrial | [JAPS]Industrial |
| 13:02.51 | Industrial | :P |
| 13:03.00 | Randor | yes, that's the server i saw then :D |
| 13:03.05 | Industrial | :D |
| 13:03.07 | Industrial | gg |
| 13:03.25 | Industrial | anyway |
| 13:03.32 | Industrial | I think i am going to play warlock |
| 13:03.44 | Industrial | but i want a really cool user interface |
| 13:03.50 | Industrial | but i dont have all spells yet |
| 13:03.56 | Randor | i have a gnome warlock @ lvl 15 currently.. |
| 13:04.15 | Industrial | but i was thinking to create little groups of buttons for types fo spells |
| 13:04.25 | Industrial | dot, aoe, dd, etc |
| 13:04.38 | Industrial | but i dont know wich ones they are :( |
| 13:04.42 | Randor | you'll need at least one for the whole curses.. corresponding to the targetted enemy |
| 13:05.00 | Industrial | and also, should i make them with visor? |
| 13:05.01 | Randor | i don't like this restriction.. only one cures per warlock per unit.. bah |
| 13:05.28 | Industrial | do you use flexbar? :) |
| 13:05.47 | Randor | no |
| 13:05.50 | Industrial | =( |
| 13:05.52 | Randor | i tried it once.. a while ago.. |
| 13:05.52 | Industrial | what then |
| 13:06.15 | Industrial | *fires up wow* |
| 13:06.17 | Randor | but it seemed that it was incompatible to benecast :) |
| 13:07.18 | Randor | uhm... currently cardbars |
| 13:07.19 | Randor | mom tel |
| 13:07.54 | Industrial | I'm going to use thottbot |
| 13:08.03 | Industrial | to decide howmany groups i need |
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| 13:09.22 | Randor | bah |
| 13:09.28 | Randor | not thottbot.. |
| 13:09.52 | Randor | use http://wow.allakhazam.com/ |
| 13:13.32 | Industrial | k |
| 13:22.59 | Industrial | http://wow.allakhazam.com/db/class.html?wclass=9;mid=1124389002262539359;num=8 |
| 13:23.00 | Industrial | \o/ |
| 13:23.12 | Industrial | i love it when i die when i am browsing the web |
| 13:46.47 | Industrial | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=714 |
| 13:46.49 | Industrial | haleluja |
| 13:46.50 | Industrial | D |
| 13:46.50 | Industrial | :D |
| 13:48.37 | Randor | nice title :D |
| 13:57.27 | Industrial | yeah hehe |
| 13:59.43 | Industrial | Randor: you dont use visor, why? :) |
| 14:00.28 | Industrial | http://pastebin.com/409951 |
| 14:00.42 | Industrial | its really easy :> |
| 14:00.45 | kergoth`zzz | morning |
| 14:00.49 | Industrial | morning kergoth |
| 14:01.08 | Industrial | kergoth: do you know if luaslinger is fixed yet> |
| 14:01.10 | Industrial | ?* |
| 14:01.14 | kergoth | dunno |
| 14:01.29 | Industrial | as in, i dont have to switch between ingame and vim all the time to paste my code? |
| 14:01.39 | Industrial | because it stops showing after about 256 chars |
| 14:01.41 | Industrial | :| |
| 14:02.00 | kergoth | i dont think it is |
| 14:02.01 | kergoth | :( |
| 14:02.08 | Industrial | :( |
| 14:02.18 | Industrial | kergoth: do you use visor? :) |
| 14:02.24 | kergoth | yeah |
| 14:02.40 | Randor | g'morning ker |
| 14:02.45 | kergoth | man, i tried aceperl last night.. i normally use nymbia's perl.. impressive. |
| 14:02.49 | kergoth | hey |
| 14:02.49 | Randor | don't look into the mirror.. |
| 14:02.59 | Randor | you sound as if you wouldn't like what you'd see :) |
| 14:03.08 | Randor | industrial, why should i use it? |
| 14:03.14 | kergoth | ~mornings |
| 14:03.19 | purl | Mornings MUST be destroyed! (see also http://www.destroymornings.com/) |
| 14:03.19 | Industrial | have you found a way yet to make a button whow some other buttons on hover? |
| 14:03.38 | Industrial | Randor: because it does away with any addon that moves things around |
| 14:03.53 | kergoth | havent messed with it much. i still need to get that set up.. i want bars for my totems. |
| 14:03.53 | Industrial | i even have ym perl unit frames locked to where i want without usint perl resize and move |
| 14:03.54 | Industrial | :> |
| 14:03.56 | Randor | hm.. i use cardbars.. i can move what i need to move |
| 14:04.18 | kergoth | visor is pure ui customization /power/ |
| 14:04.22 | Industrial | Randor: well then just for fun |
| 14:04.29 | Industrial | :D believe me its fun |
| 14:04.39 | Industrial | http://pastebin.com/409951 |
| 14:04.42 | Industrial | and its that easy |
| 14:04.57 | Industrial | well, i use luaslinger though |
| 14:05.00 | Industrial | :) |
| 14:05.07 | Randor | what is luaslinger? |
| 14:05.17 | kergoth | in game lua pad |
| 14:05.19 | Industrial | a mod to execute lua on the fly |
| 14:05.22 | kergoth | best one there is so far |
| 14:05.30 | kergoth | which isnt saying much, actually |
| 14:05.34 | kergoth | most suck badly |
| 14:05.36 | kergoth | :\ |
| 14:05.46 | Industrial | http://ui.worldofwar.net/ui.php?id=1386 |
| 14:05.59 | Randor | better than luapad? |
| 14:06.04 | kergoth | yup |
| 14:06.06 | kergoth | much |
| 14:06.07 | Industrial | yeah |
| 14:06.07 | Randor | that's what i use currently.. |
| 14:06.46 | Randor | along with uhm.. uhm.. dev something :D |
| 14:07.31 | kergoth | Industrial: guh, thanks for replying to that post about svn. WHY people havent read my other threads on it i have no idea |
| 14:09.23 | kergoth | imho turan should sticky the 'subversion is our friend' post |
| 14:11.09 | Randor | hm.. |
| 14:11.21 | Randor | *confused* getting hungry or becoming hungry? |
| 14:11.31 | Industrial | kergoth: yeah |
| 14:12.14 | Industrial | Randor: actually, you either are hungry or you are not, or you will become hungy in the future or were hungry in the apst |
| 14:12.21 | Industrial | past, even |
| 14:13.19 | Tain | Nah, hungry is not binary. There are many values for hungry. |
| 14:13.39 | Randor | but hunger is one of this bad things that can grow slowly... unnoticed... so i think there should be a gerund |
| 14:17.49 | Tain | It's one of the things that French (and other languages) have it right over English. More literally translated as, "I have hunger." |
| 14:18.14 | Randor | ich habe hunger |
| 14:18.17 | Randor | exactly :D |
| 14:19.05 | Industrial | eh, you're right |
| 14:19.06 | Industrial | :| |
| 14:19.49 | Tain | English is dumb. I blame the English! |
| 14:21.02 | Randor | i won't say anything now :D |
| 14:24.26 | kergoth | huh, ralak's needy list looks nice. we need an addon like that in ace |
| 14:26.14 | Tain | Yeah I do like needly list. That and shopping list I use. |
| 14:26.15 | Randor | maybe we could combine it with.. |
| 14:26.16 | Randor | uhm.. |
| 14:26.27 | Randor | who was the author of this decursive replacement? |
| 14:26.56 | Tain | Oh wait I was thinking needy list was another addon. I remember now. |
| 14:27.27 | Tain | I like Watchdog, but it lost its settings a few times on me. |
| 14:27.38 | Tain | And after all the time I spent configuring it I couldn't deal with it. |
| 14:27.48 | Randor | ker, any news on clog? |
| 14:28.11 | kergoth | no.. i was going to work on that and informatips last night but got hung up on some ace 0.103 bugs |
| 14:28.20 | Tain | There was one thing I didn't like about Watchdog also. I forget what, but there was some value you couldn't set that should have been there. |
| 14:28.25 | kergoth | its looking like acedb/acedata need a rewrite |
| 14:28.48 | Tain | I need coffee. |
| 14:29.01 | kergoth | all i have is soda, and not even mt dew.. diet pepsi |
| 14:29.01 | kergoth | bleh |
| 14:29.05 | Randor | bah, coffeine junkies.. |
| 14:29.14 | Tain | It is by caffeine alone I set my mind in motion. |
| 14:29.25 | Industrial | bull-it for me |
| 14:29.26 | Industrial | :> |
| 14:29.31 | Randor | uh yes.. cAffeine... hm.. |
| 14:29.44 | Randor | is there a reason why it is with a instead of o? |
| 14:30.08 | kergoth | you know.. theres a lot of common code between a unit frame addon and a tooltip addon. watchdog even has a similar markup for its format strings as informatips |
| 14:30.15 | Industrial | uh, its caffeine in dutch too so dunno :> |
| 14:30.16 | kergoth | you'd think that could be consolodated |
| 14:30.23 | kergoth | ah well |
| 14:30.36 | Tain | No new ideas for you. |
| 14:30.50 | kergoth | /cry |
| 14:31.02 | Randor | it's caffeine in roman languages too.. i can't think of another language than german where it is cOffeine... hm.. |
| 14:33.53 | kergoth | hmm.. someone should add support for watchdog to aceheal |
| 14:35.33 | Randor | i know this ominous *someone* he works for our company, too... whenever there is something important to do he is in charge for the project :D |
| 14:36.20 | kergoth | hehe |
| 14:41.57 | Stylpe | Gah! Where are all the thorium veins? =( |
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| 14:52.40 | kergoth | hey MoonWolf |
| 14:52.46 | MoonWolf | hey kergoth |
| 14:52.50 | MoonWolf | you awake again ? |
| 14:53.01 | kergoth | no, i'm just good at pretending |
| 14:53.02 | MoonWolf | REALLY awake ? |
| 14:53.22 | *** join/##ace Stylp1 (n=Stylpe@15.84-48-162.nextgentel.com) |
| 14:53.31 | MoonWolf | not the got out of bed still need to take care of blood in caffiene stream awake. |
| 14:53.49 | kergoth | ah |
| 14:54.04 | kergoth | somewhat awake, some caffeine, not as much as i'd like |
| 14:54.06 | kergoth | whats up |
| 14:54.29 | MoonWolf | my connection. for now. |
| 14:54.40 | MoonWolf | its been flacky and i have terrible ping at everything |
| 14:54.40 | kergoth | heh |
| 14:55.03 | MoonWolf | no wow for me. |
| 14:55.06 | kergoth | :( |
| 14:55.06 | MoonWolf | or downloads |
| 14:55.26 | kergoth | finally |
| 14:55.28 | MoonWolf | yay |
| 14:55.45 | MoonWolf | modularity working in a vendor ace ? |
| 14:56.09 | kergoth | what? |
| 14:56.09 | MoonWolf | btw, dont we need to more ace out of the trunk and into vendor ? |
| 14:56.14 | MoonWolf | move* |
| 14:56.25 | kergoth | vendor is for 3rd party sources |
| 14:56.35 | kergoth | turan is planning on using svn himself. |
| 14:56.39 | MoonWolf | okay |
| 14:56.39 | kergoth | so it isnt exactly 3rd party. |
| 14:56.42 | kergoth | :) |
| 14:56.55 | MoonWolf | did not know that turan planned on using svn |
| 14:57.00 | MoonWolf | should read the forums more |
| 14:57.10 | kergoth | dont think he mentioned it there |
| 14:57.18 | kergoth | gave him an account when he dropped by irc a couple weeks ago |
| 14:57.36 | MoonWolf | did you see latest dailywtf / |
| 14:57.46 | MoonWolf | ?* |
| 14:57.53 | kergoth | not yet.. |
| 14:57.57 | kergoth | haha |
| 14:57.58 | kergoth | oh my |
| 14:59.35 | MoonWolf | i hope that guy gets paid on lines of code. |
| 14:59.58 | Tain | Holy crap that's.. ow. |
| 15:04.16 | kergoth | i like this little wandcancel addon |
| 15:05.57 | MoonWolf | oh yes, it is most usefull |
| 15:06.04 | MoonWolf | no more jumping to cancel my wand |
| 15:06.44 | MoonWolf | parse error: line 1 |
| 15:06.44 | MoonWolf | sincerely, |
| 15:06.44 | MoonWolf | the compiler |
| 15:06.54 | Randor | a step would do the jpb too or not? |
| 15:07.06 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 15:07.11 | MoonWolf | any movement would be fine |
| 15:07.14 | Randor | uhm.. -jpb +job |
| 15:07.50 | MoonWolf | but jumping does not actually increase or decrease your range not does is acidentally agro anything. |
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| 15:26.18 | MoonWolf | To all people at blizzcone. I HATE YOU! |
| 15:26.20 | MoonWolf | thank you. |
| 15:28.28 | kergoth | ecastingbar is so perty |
| 15:32.10 | MoonWolf | yes |
| 15:32.20 | MoonWolf | i wish it had more textures though |
| 15:32.27 | MoonWolf | random texture |
| 15:37.56 | Industrial | kergoth: share code |
| 15:38.12 | Industrial | "please" :) |
| 15:38.21 | Tain | Ug the more I go through the xml the more annoyed I get. |
| 15:39.02 | MoonWolf | Do not read the xml unless you HAVE too |
| 15:39.05 | kergoth | Industrial: just ran https://opensvn.csie.org/traccgi/Ace/trac.cgi/wiki/VisorRecipes and then modified the frame that they're keying their display on to something else. |
| 15:39.16 | Tain | Why the hell would they name textures like UI-SpellbookPanel-BotLeft if they are going to reuse those same textures in other things. |
| 15:39.31 | Tain | Why the hell would I think to look for SpellBookPanel textures when looking at the bankframe? |
| 15:39.34 | Tain | Goddamn. |
| 15:39.38 | kergoth | : |
| 15:39.43 | kergoth | :( |
| 15:40.13 | Tain | It's times like this that I would like to find whoever first created grep and give them a big hug. |
| 15:40.18 | MoonWolf | well, they made a nice texture and then someone was like, this thing here needs a texture ah that looks nice. |
| 15:40.41 | Tain | Believe me I'm all for reuse. But name it accordingly. |
| 15:41.03 | Tain | As far as I'm concerned they didn't reuse enough. There's so much duplication. |
| 15:41.14 | Tain | And then there's things like this. |
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| 15:50.52 | MoonWolf | time for dinner, and then, slash development |
| 15:52.02 | kergoth | what the hell |
| 15:52.15 | kergoth | why can i talk to the silithus hyppogryph master as a tauren? |
| 15:52.23 | kergoth | and it has the green icon to discover a flight path |
| 15:52.25 | kergoth | hehe |
| 15:52.35 | kergoth | talking to him just gets a gretting though |
| 15:57.13 | Randor | hm.. |
| 15:57.36 | Parak | isn't that the druid only one |
| 16:01.19 | kergoth | hmm.. gonna hit level 57 soon with my shammy. wonder if i should respec to enh/rest for mana tide for instances |
| 16:25.23 | Industrial | kergoth: i want to make a "drawer" bar of buttons |
| 16:25.34 | Industrial | right click button 1 and the rest shows/hides |
| 16:25.38 | Industrial | how would i do it? -_- |
| 16:27.19 | Industrial | http://pastebin.com/410063 is what i have now |
| 16:27.50 | kergoth | Industrial: so you want something like stylpe's popbar, but that acts on right click instead of mouseover? |
| 16:28.04 | Industrial | yea |
| 16:28.12 | Industrial | makin screenie of what that pastebin paste does |
| 16:28.13 | Industrial | :) |
| 16:28.21 | Industrial | although i guess you can read it.. |
| 16:28.28 | kergoth | not easily done because visor completely replaces the event |
| 16:28.30 | kergoth | in other words.. |
| 16:28.43 | kergoth | if you replace onclick, your onclick cant call the original onclick.. |
| 16:28.48 | kergoth | so you'd break leftclicking |
| 16:28.52 | kergoth | afaict |
| 16:28.52 | Industrial | o_O |
| 16:31.22 | Industrial | http://img414.imageshack.us/img414/8929/wowscrnshot1029051827536ob.jpg |
| 16:31.53 | Industrial | i have the space betweent he pet frame and player frame because i like to see the timer |
| 16:32.27 | Industrial | the guy on the chat says "Dutchmen.. everywhere" |
| 16:32.39 | Industrial | my name is Moordenaar wich means murderer in dutch hehe |
| 16:33.13 | Industrial | and yes, you arfe correct. thats the verdana font muhahah :D |
| 16:39.26 | Industrial | right |
| 16:39.35 | Industrial | i just discovered /vz set btn=1-3 :| |
| 16:42.34 | Industrial | hm that still wont work with relative positioning |
| 16:42.36 | Industrial | :> |
| 16:45.46 | Tain | The btn code doesn't fully work yet, I wouldn't use it. |
| 16:45.59 | Tain | Or I should say, use at your own risk. :) |
| 16:47.51 | Industrial | hehe yeah |
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| 16:54.54 | id` | ? |
| 16:55.28 | Industrial | :> |
| 16:57.09 | Industrial | http://www.last.fm/user/Industri4l/charts/ |
| 16:57.15 | Industrial | It seems like there is no charts for you at the moment. You either need to listen to more music first, or wait for the chart calculation to finish. |
| 16:57.21 | Industrial | Tracks played: 571 |
| 16:57.23 | Industrial | >_> |
| 16:57.35 | Industrial | howmany must i play? |
| 16:57.47 | MoonWolf | enough |
| 17:07.45 | Randor | ~dicht itch |
| 17:07.54 | Randor | ~dict itch |
| 17:08.08 | Randor | ah... |
| 17:08.35 | Randor | http://www.iconguild.com/pics/blizzcon/DSC02851.JPG :D |
| 17:08.42 | MoonWolf | World of Warcraft and his Amazing Friend Outland |
| 17:11.22 | kergoth | huh, never been to the blasted lands before |
| 17:11.27 | kergoth | good place to farm scorpid scales |
| 17:15.08 | Industrial | http://www.iconguild.com/pics/blizzcon/DSC02808.JPG |
| 17:15.12 | Industrial | heh she can be my minion |
| 17:15.25 | Industrial | kekeke http://www.iconguild.com/pics/blizzcon/DSC02809.JPG |
| 17:16.07 | Industrial | more minions! |
| 17:16.08 | Industrial | http://www.iconguild.com/pics/blizzcon/DSC02822.JPG |
| 17:16.33 | kergoth | mm |
| 17:17.00 | Industrial | cewl: http://www.iconguild.com/pics/blizzcon/DSC02856.JPG |
| 17:17.14 | Industrial | best costume so far |
| 17:18.24 | Industrial | HAH CEWL! http://www.iconguild.com/pics/blizzcon/DSC02870.JPG |
| 17:19.17 | MoonWolf | pretty big for a gnome |
| 17:19.25 | Industrial | er no |
| 17:19.30 | Industrial | shes riding a mechanostrider |
| 17:20.37 | Randor | but still.. gnomes usually look a bit more uhm.. fragile than her ;) |
| 17:21.13 | Industrial | woo socketed items \o/ |
| 17:21.41 | Industrial | heh http://www.iconguild.com/pics/blizzcon/DSC02896.JPG |
| 17:22.29 | Industrial | though i think ill go for this cyber chickhttp://www.iconguild.com/pics/blizzcon/DSC02904.JPG |
| 17:22.31 | Industrial | :D |
| 17:22.33 | Randor | stop drooling, the addon won't be released before fall/winter next year.. a lot of things will happen untill then ;) |
| 17:23.08 | kergoth | i think he's drooling more at the women than the expansion |
| 17:23.22 | MoonWolf | http://media.putfile.com/Crystal-Water-and-You |
| 17:23.52 | Randor | industrial, i think this cyber is from starcraft ghost ;) |
| 17:23.56 | Tain | That's about the third time in as many days that someone's pasted that link. |
| 17:24.49 | MoonWolf | but its so cool |
| 17:24.49 | MoonWolf | Randor industrial, i think this cyber is from starcraft ghost ;) |
| 17:24.55 | MoonWolf | eeuh |
| 17:24.58 | MoonWolf | scratch that |
| 17:28.30 | Randor | wow, i've been quoted |
| 17:29.56 | kergoth | ? |
| 17:31.10 | kergoth | wtf is [Imperfect Draenethyst Fragment] |
| 17:31.16 | Randor | questitem |
| 17:31.28 | kergoth | ah, guess i'll keep it in caes i run across teh quest |
| 17:31.34 | Randor | if you are lvl 56/57... throw it away ;) |
| 17:31.40 | kergoth | ah okay :) |
| 17:31.55 | kergoth | just here for scorpid scales. never got around to getting my leatherworking specialization |
| 17:34.39 | Randor | hm.. visitors of the blizzcon get a key for a "not yet specified game" for testing it before it will be released? |
| 17:37.10 | Randor | (attention: could be a dumb question) is the .xml file mandatory if i want to create a frame? |
| 17:37.39 | kergoth | yep |
| 17:37.42 | Randor | btw, why isn't aceGUI in the svn repository yet? |
| 17:37.53 | Randor | hm.. ok then i don't like frames |
| 17:38.15 | Parak | what if you use acegui to make a frame? :o |
| 17:58.13 | Tain | Does anyone know exactly what getglobal does? |
| 17:59.09 | Tain | Never mind. Bleh not what I'm looking for. |
| 18:00.12 | Randor | what are you looking for then? |
| 18:00.55 | Tain | heh something I suspect I can't have. :) |
| 18:01.06 | Randor | the globals list? :) |
| 18:01.33 | Randor | the name of a global used somewhere? |
| 18:01.33 | Tain | I want to hook a method, but I want to hook the default method that all frames inheret from. |
| 18:02.17 | Randor | ok, thats beyond my knowledge yet :) |
| 18:05.11 | Tain | For example anytime any frame does a self:show() I want to hook it. But I don't think I cna. |
| 18:06.02 | kergoth | Tain: yes, you can |
| 18:06.09 | kergoth | Tain: all the frames use the same metatable. |
| 18:06.17 | kergoth | you'd impose a performance hit doing it though. |
| 18:06.49 | Tain | I was just thinking of asking you that! |
| 18:06.49 | kergoth | local mt = getmetatable(any_arbitrary_table) |
| 18:06.50 | kergoth | local oldind = mt.__index |
| 18:07.10 | kergoth | mt.__index = function(t, k) if k == "Show" then return dootherstuff() else return oldind(t,k) end end |
| 18:07.13 | kergoth | try that. |
| 18:09.21 | Randor | hm |
| 18:09.37 | Tain | But what's any_arbitrary_table? Oh just grabbing a specific frame table because all frames will use the same one. |
| 18:09.42 | Tain | Got it. |
| 18:09.43 | kergoth | right |
| 18:09.51 | MoonWolf | i mean konfabulator |
| 18:10.11 | Randor | what is konfabulator? |
| 18:10.22 | Tain | I like Konfabulator. Or at least I liked the idea of it, when I really started playing with it I couldn't find really good uses. |
| 18:10.31 | Tain | I liked Samurize better. |
| 18:12.07 | MoonWolf | konfabulator places all kinds of widgets on your desktop |
| 18:12.14 | MoonWolf | wich is usefull because i never do anything with it. |
| 18:14.36 | kergoth | i wish this level ?? dragon would stop cramping my style. i'm trying to grind damnit, go away |
| 18:15.34 | Tain | What level, and where are you grinding? |
| 18:16.09 | kergoth | more farming than grinding, but i have 150% rested xp, so its a little of both |
| 18:16.16 | kergoth | getting scorpid scales so i can get dragonscale leatherworking |
| 18:16.19 | kergoth | over in the blasted lands |
| 18:16.23 | Tain | Yep love that there rested exp. |
| 18:16.35 | Tain | Oh I just hit 60 on my Rogue last night, ended up being 17 days /played |
| 18:16.46 | kergoth | nice |
| 18:16.50 | Randor | gratulations ;) |
| 18:17.07 | Tain | And at least 3-4 of those days were sitting inthe auction house before I made a mule to do it. haha |
| 18:17.17 | kergoth | i've already played like 31 hours with my 57 shammy, but most of that time is me idling in the ah or fucking with addons |
| 18:17.31 | Randor | hm... have seen http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-interface-customization&t=211988&p=1&tmp=1#post211988 |
| 18:17.55 | Tain | Yeah I really wanted to get this rogue to 60 to help my friend's guild out. |
| 18:18.14 | Tain | They really are a sad bunch though. Very nice people, most of them are not very good players. |
| 18:18.43 | kergoth | damn you 60 human paladin! |
| 18:18.49 | kergoth | he's killingi the scorpids and not looting them |
| 18:18.51 | MoonWolf | kill him |
| 18:18.51 | kergoth | fucker |
| 18:18.57 | MoonWolf | kill him hard |
| 18:19.05 | Tain | haha |
| 18:19.30 | Tain | I do that to other faction people if I see they're hanging around JUST to skin my kills and not doing anything else. |
| 18:19.35 | kergoth | hehe |
| 18:19.47 | Tain | If they're also killing things, fine I have no problem with that. |
| 18:20.02 | Tain | But I hate when someone tails you around just waiting for you to finish killing. |
| 18:20.08 | kergoth | i love this repeatable quest in the blasted lands here, the one where you get the things that add 50 to agi, or 50 to str, or whatever |
| 18:20.10 | kergoth | yeah, i hate that too |
| 18:23.52 | Tain | ug here we go with some lua pattern matching again. |
| 18:24.19 | kergoth | :\ |
| 18:27.06 | kergoth | i wish we had that lua rex library in wow. real regexes |
| 18:27.07 | kergoth | heh |
| 18:27.10 | kergoth | ah well |
| 18:27.11 | Randor | If you need help I'm a 4th year CS student with experience. Shameless bump. <= counterstrike ?? |
| 18:27.20 | Randor | oh.. computer science... *doh |
| 18:27.46 | Tain | I know this should be easy but my brain isn't making it so. |
| 18:28.15 | Tain | I want to find a character "/" in a string, but I'm only interested in the last instance of it. |
| 18:28.48 | kergoth | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.29 | Tain | Oh. hrm. Yeah. |
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| 18:30.42 | ToastTheif | yo |
| 18:30.52 | Randor | hm.. |
| 18:30.56 | Randor | hi toast |
| 18:31.24 | Randor | cairenn => has to do something with wowi, right? |
| 18:31.43 | ToastTheif | so who will be rolling BE in the xpack? |
| 18:32.02 | kergoth | i think the better question is who isnt? |
| 18:32.08 | kergoth | lets start an ace guild full of be's |
| 18:32.13 | ToastTheif | lol |
| 18:32.17 | ToastTheif | why not Randor? |
| 18:32.33 | ToastTheif | Blood Elves are just so....dark, and evil ^^ |
| 18:32.33 | Randor | i want to wait for the new ally race before any statement :) |
| 18:32.41 | kergoth | pfft, ally |
| 18:32.46 | ToastTheif | screw ally, Im horder all the way |
| 18:32.53 | ToastTheif | horde* |
| 18:33.00 | Randor | and beside: i am not sure if i will still be playing this game next christmas.. |
| 18:33.35 | ToastTheif | pfft |
| 18:33.41 | Randor | hwat? |
| 18:33.43 | Randor | what? |
| 18:33.44 | ToastTheif | I haven't play in like 2-3 months |
| 18:33.49 | ToastTheif | I can't wait to come back :) |
| 18:35.28 | ToastTheif | I re-played the BE campaign today |
| 18:35.51 | Randor | hm.. i think i start disliking cayrenn... |
| 18:36.20 | ToastTheif | Im not quite sure where the BE join horde, but apparently the blood elves that kael *left behind* are the ones that join horde ^_- |
| 18:36.43 | ToastTheif | why? Cair is cool |
| 18:36.46 | Randor | i think the ones left behind aren't blood- but high-elves... |
| 18:36.52 | ToastTheif | nah |
| 18:36.59 | Randor | why? because of wowi and WoW UI Designer.. |
| 18:37.06 | kergoth | ? |
| 18:37.17 | ToastTheif | the High Elves were destroyed prettyy much and all that were left are now called "Blood Elves" |
| 18:37.27 | ToastTheif | what's wrong with WoWI and the UI designer? |
| 18:37.56 | kergoth | i never used to use wowi, but its growing on me. works well, fast, and survives the patch load better than all the others |
| 18:38.00 | Randor | WoW UI Designer => You are not authorized to view this category. |
| 18:38.14 | kergoth | so what? its a closed beta. go sign up for it |
| 18:38.16 | Randor | ker, maybe because it is a commercial site? |
| 18:38.22 | kergoth | uh? |
| 18:38.41 | Randor | nah.. don't like to sign up on a page for downloading something |
| 18:38.46 | kergoth | then dont. |
| 18:38.50 | Randor | less if the page is related to IGE.. |
| 18:38.53 | kergoth | its up to the person coding it whether you get it or not. |
| 18:38.56 | kergoth | not you |
| 18:39.03 | Randor | that is perfectly true ker |
| 18:40.27 | kergoth | and i really dont see what a decision by the developer of the ui designer has to do with wowi |
| 18:41.08 | ToastTheif | Ker, you hear about decursive? |
| 18:41.22 | ToastTheif | apparently blizz is making "digital codes" for all the addons |
| 18:41.34 | ToastTheif | so they can ban addons like decursive |
| 18:41.49 | Randor | ker, let's say that for me it reads as if the initial intention of the developer changed after wowi coming into play |
| 18:42.11 | ToastTheif | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.aspx?fn=wow-general&t=5537468&p=1&tmp=1#post5537468 |
| 18:42.15 | ToastTheif | aha that's funny |
| 18:42.27 | kergoth | it wasnt their decision. they can argue as persuasively as they want. the developer chooses his license |
| 18:43.03 | Randor | and the customer/user may choose his opinion |
| 18:43.48 | kergoth | indeed. just because a site has financial interests doesnt preclude them from doing good work. i dont judge them for wanting to make money. you're welcome to. |
| 18:44.00 | kergoth | freedom is grand, indeed |
| 18:44.18 | Randor | i haven't said that anybody is doin' something that should be forbidden or alike, i just said that i don't like this behaviour, not more, not less |
| 18:45.03 | Randor | as long as my own interests aren't touched by the behaviour of a site, why should i bother with it? |
| 18:45.39 | Randor | only thing is that i am not sure about the "IGE not touching my own interests" part in this particular case.. but that's another story |
| 18:46.45 | kergoth | honestly, i just dont give enough of a shit to bother discussing it. i use the right tool for job, regardless of whether its commercial or open. which is why i used bitkeeper after discovering it when linus started using it. the right tool for the job. |
| 18:46.52 | kergoth | web site is no different, imho. |
| 18:46.53 | kergoth | but thats me. |
| 18:47.30 | *** join/##ace Starfury (n=Starfury@dpc6744240040.direcpc.com) |
| 18:58.36 | kergoth | hmmm |
| 19:00.44 | Randor | something shiny or thinking? ;) |
| 19:05.35 | ToastTheif | h |
| 19:32.27 | *** join/##ace ToastTheif (i=HydraIRC@24-177-151-62.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) |
| 19:44.42 | Randor | hm.. somebody can tell me how i can workaround http://pastebin.com/410250 ? |
| 20:11.37 | Industrial | http://www.last.fm/user/Industri4l/ |
| 20:11.37 | Industrial | yay |
| 20:11.38 | Industrial | :D |
| 20:11.41 | Industrial | charts \o/ |
| 20:12.04 | Industrial | heh, now u can see howmuch i like dragonforce :> |
| 20:25.46 | Industrial | im goign to try out discord unit frames |
| 20:25.52 | Industrial | lets see if i can get my ui even smaller |
| 20:25.54 | Industrial | ;0 |
| 20:40.11 | kergoth | ~emulate zim |
| 20:40.16 | purl | THE CANDY ZOMBIES! |
| 20:40.34 | kergoth | ~emulate zim |
| 20:40.35 | purl | THE CANDY ZOMBIES! |
| 20:41.05 | kergoth | bah |
| 20:41.06 | kergoth | ~emulate zim |
| 20:41.07 | purl | I am a _perfectly_ normal human worm baby |
| 20:42.24 | Randor | strange |
| 20:42.40 | Randor | doesn't ace translate command options? |
| 20:42.50 | kergoth | ? |
| 20:43.10 | kergoth | its your responsibility to do so, thats why a lot of addons have the cmdopts and stuff in their locals file |
| 20:43.28 | Randor | i have mixed output, part from AceHits_locals.lua and part of AceHits_locals_deDE.lua |
| 20:43.51 | kergoth | sounds like you didnt define your english version inside of that if block |
| 20:43.54 | kergoth | on load translation |
| 20:43.59 | kergoth | have you looked at some other addons? |
| 20:44.05 | kergoth | see how they do it |
| 20:44.14 | Randor | yes, thats where i have the code from |
| 20:47.08 | kergoth | odd |
| 20:47.40 | Randor | very |
| 20:49.47 | kergoth | good plan |
| 20:50.25 | Randor | testing with denial.. |
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| 21:49.05 | *** join/##ace Thirsterhall (n=Thirster@pool-71-255-33-84.syrcny.east.verizon.net) |
| 21:49.22 | Thirsterhall | hi all |
| 21:51.25 | Randor | hi |
| 21:54.48 | kergoth | Thirsterhall: i love the HUD in aceperl :) |
| 21:56.43 | *** join/##ace Stylpe (n=Stylpe@15.84-48-162.nextgentel.com) |
| 21:57.23 | Thirsterhall | Glad to hear it... nice to see someone trying it out...put up a major update today |
| 21:57.33 | kergoth | yeah, did an svn update earlier |
| 21:57.48 | Thirsterhall | I put it up less than an hour ago I think |
| 22:01.08 | Industrial | to be honest, im a bad boy :X |
| 22:01.21 | Industrial | http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/53/wowscrnshot1029052358568cl.jpg |
| 22:01.26 | kergoth | hey Stylpe |
| 22:01.28 | Industrial | im using discord unit frames :( |
| 22:01.33 | kergoth | *gasp* |
| 22:01.35 | kergoth | ;) |
| 22:01.43 | Industrial | that = sexy though |
| 22:01.51 | Industrial | just the way i like it. cant be better :) |
| 22:02.04 | kergoth | you should use chatscroll |
| 22:02.05 | Industrial | kergoth: wutcha think? |
| 22:02.07 | kergoth | ditch those ugly chat buttons |
| 22:02.11 | kergoth | other than that, lookin good |
| 22:02.12 | Industrial | i know |
| 22:02.13 | Industrial | :p |
| 22:02.40 | Industrial | heh i named my sexy night elf (pvp server) "fatbaldguy" |
| 22:02.44 | Industrial | xD |
| 22:03.07 | kergoth | Thirsterhall: hmm.. itd be nice if weapon buffs were attached to the perl frame too. suppose i could use visor to tack the blizzard frame onto it and scale it down |
| 22:03.13 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:03.15 | Stylpe | hey =) |
| 22:03.39 | Industrial | trying it out now Thirsterhall |
| 22:03.49 | Industrial | and downloading chatscroll too :> |
| 22:04.09 | Stylpe | brb |
| 22:04.11 | kergoth | Stylpe: you need to set h=TRUE on the buttons that are normally hidden (unless you mousover) in your popbars. right now they're popped out by default, when you log in |
| 22:04.17 | kergoth | Stylpe: otherwise works well, playing with it |
| 22:04.29 | Thirsterhall | Ah ya forget about the weapon buffs. Blizz offers 2 buttons for that I can add them in |
| 22:04.45 | kergoth | thatd be cool |
| 22:04.53 | kergoth | looks funny with half my buffs in one place and half in another |
| 22:05.02 | kergoth | i keep thinking i'm either missing windfury or missing my lightning shield |
| 22:05.02 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:05.03 | Industrial | how do the popbars work? with a timex timeout? |
| 22:05.04 | Thirsterhall | already have slots for 24 buff/debuffs |
| 22:05.58 | kergoth | Industrial: yeah, they schedule the hide with timex |
| 22:05.58 | kergoth | Industrial: on the OnLeave event |
| 22:05.58 | Industrial | =( |
| 22:05.58 | Industrial | should be ok anyway |
| 22:05.58 | Industrial | :P |
| 22:05.58 | kergoth | though i've had autohiding buttons without timex before |
| 22:05.58 | Industrial | (im always a pain in the ass about proper) |
| 22:05.58 | kergoth | not sure if its necessary |
| 22:06.16 | kergoth | whee, just dropped 15 gold to respec yet again |
| 22:06.55 | Industrial | this is my setup so far http://pastebin.com/410379 |
| 22:07.50 | Thirsterhall | I have yet to try to figure out visor |
| 22:08.05 | Industrial | Thirsterhall: please ask away |
| 22:08.09 | *** join/##ace Stylpe (n=Stylpe@15.84-48-162.nextgentel.com) |
| 22:08.29 | Industrial | And i found out i could just use pet action buttons to do my pet buttons because no other bar handling addon seems ot be able to do this |
| 22:08.33 | Thirsterhall | I've simply been too busy with AcePerl/heal etc to take the time to try it out for real |
| 22:08.37 | Industrial | they all use PetActionBUtton1-10 |
| 22:08.39 | Stylpe | kergoth: Yeah, I've improved it a bit, sort of like you said, but I haven't gotten around to updating it |
| 22:09.02 | Stylpe | I put the first button as visible, second as hidden, and the rest as visible |
| 22:09.24 | kergoth | cool |
| 22:09.48 | kergoth | i have a couple bars that are similar, except they're all alpha 0.0 all the time, until you mouseover on any of them. |
| 22:09.58 | Stylpe | Works perfectly, even at startup (where they previously all were shown) |
| 22:09.59 | Thirsterhall | hopefully this last version of aceperl works a bit better with less bugs |
| 22:10.46 | Stylpe | ker: I'd imagine that would make for a lot of accidental clicks |
| 22:11.09 | kergoth | how so? |
| 22:11.14 | Stylpe | Oh, did you break PbN3 yet? |
| 22:11.18 | kergoth | not yet |
| 22:11.21 | Industrial | kergoth: yeah, hide makes them not clickable because htey arent there |
| 22:11.22 | Stylpe | :D |
| 22:11.29 | Industrial | apha 0 doesnt |
| 22:11.31 | Industrial | :) |
| 22:11.43 | Stylpe | Industrial: Precisely =) |
| 22:11.52 | Stylpe | So you'd have to be careful |
| 22:11.54 | kergoth | well, i know where they all are |
| 22:12.01 | kergoth | and if i try to click on them, they're visible. |
| 22:12.20 | kergoth | becaues mousing over any of them makes the parent one a=1.0 |
| 22:12.25 | Stylpe | Well, mine are sticking out from the right part of my screen, so they'd be in my way constantly |
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| 22:12.41 | kergoth | this is more a couple buttons aligned parallel to an edge |
| 22:12.44 | Rando1 | re |
| 22:12.57 | kergoth | not sticking out, but along it |
| 22:13.01 | Stylpe | I see |
| 22:13.51 | kergoth | wow, mana tide totem is my new best friend |
| 22:14.04 | Stylpe | heh |
| 22:14.13 | Industrial | *tries out aceperl* |
| 22:16.39 | kergoth | hmmmm |
| 22:19.18 | Industrial | hm kind of anoying |
| 22:19.52 | Industrial | i have to set ace to set visor options per character per module every time |
| 22:20.52 | Industrial | memory usage 13MB |
| 22:20.53 | Industrial | :D |
| 22:21.07 | kergoth | you dont want to know what my memory usage is |
| 22:21.13 | Industrial | tell me |
| 22:21.16 | Industrial | 24 addons, 13 ace |
| 22:21.30 | kergoth | 38 megs. over 100 addons. |
| 22:23.05 | Industrial | lol |
| 22:23.06 | Industrial | 100 |
| 22:23.11 | Tain | I was just in the shower getting ready to go to a Halloween party tonight when it hit me. |
| 22:23.16 | Tain | I don't feel like going. |
| 22:23.19 | Tain | Hah! |
| 22:23.22 | Industrial | lmao |
| 22:23.29 | Industrial | is there booze? |
| 22:23.32 | Industrial | are there chicks? |
| 22:23.39 | Tain | There's booze, but there's booze here too. |
| 22:23.42 | Industrial | can you make cheesy halloween comments? |
| 22:23.54 | Industrial | could you end up in bed? |
| 22:23.58 | Industrial | see ;) |
| 22:24.01 | Industrial | go for it stud :P |
| 22:24.03 | kergoth | gah |
| 22:24.17 | kergoth | respeced and lost and got back my 2h mace/axe skill as a result.. so now i'm back to a skill of 1 :P |
| 22:24.27 | Tain | There's one chick there who wanted to see me, but heh heh I never cleaned up around here and there's no way I'd bring someone here. |
| 22:24.29 | Industrial | baka |
| 22:24.41 | Industrial | Tain: go there then |
| 22:26.21 | Randor | which date is it? |
| 22:26.27 | Randor | isn't halloween tomorrow? |
| 22:27.20 | Tain | Monday I think |
| 22:28.47 | Randor | ehm, yes, tomorrow = monday :D |
| 22:29.21 | kergoth | heh, not here it isnt |
| 22:29.34 | Tain | ~today |
| 22:29.36 | purl | Saturday is the day that sucks the least! |
| 22:29.41 | kergoth | so true |
| 22:32.44 | Industrial | very |
| 22:32.44 | Industrial | :D |
| 22:32.50 | Industrial | right, back to perl |
| 22:33.07 | Industrial | nice going Thirsterhall :D |
| 22:33.18 | Industrial | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:35.07 | Industrial | kergoth: aww =( |
| 22:35.18 | Tain | The more I go through the XML layouts the more angry I get. |
| 22:36.33 | Industrial | i wish wow worked with stat points that you can increase each level |
| 22:36.48 | kergoth | this level 53 is gonna kill me |
| 22:36.49 | kergoth | damnit |
| 22:36.49 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:37.13 | Industrial | meh, just pull down a snaring totem and run |
| 22:38.10 | kergoth | that doesnt help when the enemy can cast entangling roots. /cry |
| 22:41.21 | kergoth | fyi, we have a seperate area of pastebin -> http://ace.pastebin.com/ |
| 22:41.26 | kergoth | :) |
| 22:41.33 | Tain | Very nice. |
| 22:42.30 | Industrial | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1707 |
| 22:42.31 | Industrial | YES |
| 22:42.35 | Industrial | so using |
| 22:42.42 | Industrial | im done with my unit frames for ever now |
| 22:43.10 | Industrial | kergoth: cool @ pastebin.. but how.. :O |
| 22:43.29 | kergoth | pastebin lets you easily register subdomains for projects, so i did |
| 22:43.35 | Thirsterhall | so the frames working for ya Industrial? |
| 22:43.51 | Industrial | Thirsterhall: yeah :) they are nice |
| 22:44.19 | Thirsterhall | how do you like the HUD? |
| 22:44.51 | kergoth | i really like that HUD. I'm thinking i might try placing the perl frames towards the center of the screen, then automatically hide them when the HUD comes up |
| 22:44.55 | kergoth | hehe |
| 22:45.38 | kergoth | my firefox crashes on curse gaming |
| 22:45.43 | kergoth | reliably, every single time i go there |
| 22:45.44 | kergoth | :(( |
| 22:45.56 | Thirsterhall | I use cardbars and place 2 rows of buttons ceter bottom then the player/target above them and the HUD right at my feet |
| 22:46.09 | Industrial | kergoth: mine doesnt.. |
| 22:46.24 | Thirsterhall | you guys should try flock |
| 22:46.25 | kergoth | must be something with the version of 1.0.7 in ubuntu |
| 22:46.53 | Stylpe | What's that, Thirsterhall? |
| 22:47.07 | Thirsterhall | a new browser based on Mozilly like firefox |
| 22:47.37 | Thirsterhall | works pretty nicly but not in open beta yet I think |
| 22:49.41 | Industrial | http://www.curse-gaming.com/mod.php?addid=1663 |
| 22:49.42 | Industrial | hmmmm |
| 22:52.44 | Industrial | Thirsterhall: i read the website of flock now, but it appears to be something that has lots of blogging stuff and i also saw something to get your vaforites stored online o_O wich i dont need like or use. does it compete with firefox as being a lot more lightweighted? |
| 22:54.08 | Industrial | trying it anyway :) |
| 22:54.11 | Thirsterhall | Its very similare to FF I dont use the online favorites or blogging stuff much. It appears to render pages a bit faster than FF and actualy works better on some pages than FF does |
| 22:54.19 | Industrial | k |
| 22:54.35 | Thirsterhall | I still use FF though |
| 22:54.46 | Thirsterhall | kind of use them both right now |
| 22:55.44 | Tain | all of a sudden OneBag is acting up on me. |
| 23:00.40 | Tain | Annnd now it's working. |
| 23:04.06 | Thirsterhall | For those using aceperl/aceheal and SVN I just uploaded a fix for aceheal so it "should" work with the aceperl partyframes |
| 23:04.39 | kergoth | ooh. |
| 23:04.41 | kergoth | :) |
| 23:05.05 | Thirsterhall | oh and is there a way to upload pics for the wiki? When I finaly get around to the aceperl wiki it's going to need pics |
| 23:05.15 | kergoth | then if i get off my lazy ass and finish informatips, can throw tipbuddy out the window too |
| 23:05.20 | kergoth | hmm, not sure |
| 23:05.54 | Stylpe | Maybe you could upload pics to the svn, and link to them? |
| 23:07.27 | Industrial | upload pics to imageshack.us |
| 23:15.44 | kergoth | http://kergoth.com/images/screenshots/Desktop/sshot14.png :) |
| 23:15.51 | kergoth | with this hud i can ditch sct |
| 23:15.54 | kergoth | heh |
| 23:15.58 | kergoth | well, perhaps |
| 23:16.34 | kergoth | along with acehits of course, once its working |
| 23:18.15 | Randor | yes.. acehits working.. |
| 23:18.27 | Randor | investigating right now if it possible causes wow to crash :( |
| 23:18.39 | kergoth | eep |
| 23:18.43 | Randor | can't imagine how, but.. well.. |
| 23:20.33 | Starfury | sheesh dude that picture was 2.4mb |
| 23:22.34 | Thirsterhall | It will improve your FPS if you drop SCT...I actualy have something else in mind to help with the dumping of SCT |
| 23:23.53 | Randor | nice desktop by the way.. |
| 23:52.11 | Ramble | kergoth: have you worked on multiple inheritance yet? |
| 23:52.19 | Ramble | I'm toying around with making a module for a module. |
