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| 19:31.06 | Alram | even though wow.com said it would be |
| 19:31.18 | Alram | but seeing wow.com are retards and believe anything posted on twitter etc |
| 19:31.21 | Alram | they just went with it |
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| 23:17.56 | imperfect- | HI. |
| 23:18.00 | imperfect- | Anyone around? |
| 23:19.33 | charitwo | pcj is |
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| 23:27.06 | mado | howdy folks! |
| 23:27.30 | mado | does anyone have a newer table than this one? -> http://infoceptor.net/wow/strategy/classchoice.shtml |
| 23:27.59 | imperfect- | Just getting frustrated |
| 23:28.03 | imperfect- | running out of EoT gear |
| 23:28.12 | imperfect- | and I can't get into ICC shit |
| 23:28.16 | imperfect- | it's pissing me off |
| 23:28.39 | mado | ? |
| 23:29.58 | g0urra | mado: I don't think so |
| 23:30.27 | mado | hello g0urra :) ... |
| 23:30.46 | mado | i just meant ... there has to be a newer one out there ... that e.g. covers blood elves too |
| 23:31.06 | g0urra | you mean the class x race chart? |
| 23:31.16 | mado | yeah ... |
| 23:31.19 | mado | i thought about playing WoW ... |
| 23:31.37 | g0urra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Class |
| 23:31.40 | mado | but i heard there were more classes out there than the chart of this page says |
| 23:32.09 | mado | thank you g0urra |
| 23:32.15 | g0urra | np |
| 23:32.15 | mado | i'll check it out ... |
| 23:32.19 | mado | and bookmark it ... |
| 23:32.41 | mado | i hope to be able to play WoW in a few months then :) |
| 23:33.26 | g0urra | nice |
| 23:33.36 | mado | g0urra: ? |
| 23:33.45 | mado | am i just tired or do i have other problems? :) |
| 23:33.51 | mado | i can't read the chart correctly ... |
| 23:33.59 | mado | e.g. |
| 23:34.05 | mado | first row ... |
| 23:34.19 | mado | DPS column |
| 23:34.23 | mado | 2+1 |
| 23:34.33 | mado | which class has "2+1" ? |
| 23:34.41 | g0urra | look under at "Ratings" |
| 23:35.25 | g0urra | it means that the class in the row is 2 at a 0-4 scale, and can go up to 3 with talents |
| 23:37.42 | mado | er ... i think i'm tired ... i still don't get it |
| 23:38.35 | mado | maybe you can help me with an example? ... |
| 23:38.53 | mado | how do i find out how good e.g. a nightelf is with all those things? |
| 23:39.08 | Nechckn | The class has a rating, from zero to four worst to best so a class meant to be a tank witll have a 4 under the tank column. |
| 23:40.03 | g0urra | mado the chart doesn't show that though |
| 23:40.40 | mado | i see ... ok ... and i thought i was just to tired to see it g0urra :) |
| 23:40.53 | mado | thanks both of you Nechckn and g0urra |
| 23:41.00 | g0urra | np |
| 23:41.47 | mado | and is there a chart or something out there that shows me e.g. that a nightelf is a good druid but a e.g. human is a lousy one? |
| 23:42.15 | Arrowmaster | humans cant be druids |
| 23:42.26 | mado | Arrowmaster: ... it was just an example ... :) |
| 23:42.45 | mado | i just don't want to make a big mistake in the game so that it's too difficult :) |
| 23:43.00 | Arrowmaster | race is nothing more than personal preference |
| 23:43.04 | Nechckn | Unless you see a "Yes" under the Human Column, they cannot be that class. But, basically, racial traits are only slight bonuses and really do not come into play. |
| 23:43.56 | Nechckn | A Night Elf is just as good as a Tauren for being a Druid, for instance. |
| 23:43.57 | Arrowmaster | for example my personal preference is that orc is the better horde race for most classes that can be orcs |
| 23:44.03 | mado | so there is noo "choose e.g. nightelf" if you want to be druid ... because they are good at being a druid? |
| 23:44.08 | Arrowmaster | but thats only a personal preference |
| 23:44.20 | mado | i see Arrowmaster |
| 23:44.23 | Nechckn | If you like Druids, there are only 1 choice per faction. |
| 23:44.38 | Nechckn | NElf for Alliance and Tauren for Horde. |
| 23:44.39 | mado | i don't know what i will like :) Nechckn |
| 23:45.04 | mado | i think i'll have to come online here again after being able to play it ... |
| 23:45.15 | mado | then i can ask you some questions that can help me a little :) |
| 23:45.18 | Nechckn | So.. the best way to use that chart is to read the descriptions that each of the class names links to. |
| 23:45.30 | Nechckn | Decide on Class first. |
| 23:45.36 | Nechckn | Then move to Race after. |
| 23:45.52 | mado | ok ... *nods slightly* |
| 23:46.19 | mado | but how do i know if it is a mistake to choose a specific race for a class? |
| 23:46.58 | Nechckn | It's not. |
| 23:47.05 | Nechckn | They have the game balanced that way. |
| 23:47.31 | Nechckn | If you pick a Mage, no one will be like "OMG, why are you a human" for instance. |
| 23:47.39 | imperfect- | Any idea's at atll? |
| 23:47.48 | mado | ok --- i see Nechckn |
| 23:48.44 | mado | it's just ... i don't have much experience with such games ... |
| 23:48.49 | mado | but from what i heard ... |
| 23:49.16 | mado | it was / is important which race you're playing |
| 23:49.23 | Nechckn | That's fine. But, seriously, they take great pains to ensure that each class is viable on the races where they are playable. |
| 23:49.34 | Nechckn | In some games it is, yes. Not in WoW. |
| 23:50.27 | mado | i see ... thank you for that Nechckn |
| 23:50.53 | Arrowmaster | there are a few minor cases such as if you dont intend to PvP a gnome warrior might not be an 'optimal' choice of a race for a warrior |
| 23:51.26 | Nechckn | Once you start to play, all depending on how you play, you can then figure out if the tiny bonus from some racial trait is worth changing to use. You can make a whole ranch of characters, so it is not an issue. |
| 23:51.40 | Arrowmaster | but its nothing that really sets you apart as being worse than another race choice |
| 23:52.29 | Nechckn | true, true |
| 23:53.11 | Arrowmaster | like i said personally i like orcs for a horde race because of bloodfury, extra pet damage, and they have a minor melee bonus with axes |
| 23:53.47 | mado | uhuu |
| 23:54.07 | mado | well ... i don't know yet really what i plan to do in the game ... |
| 23:54.24 | Nechckn | What most folks come up with is that you play the class you enjoy. After you decide on that, you pick Horde or Alliance and then your actual Race pick is very limited. |
| 23:54.43 | mado | uhuu ... |
| 23:55.13 | mado | personally i thought about being someone who helps others ... with e.g. healing ... or ranged attacks |
| 23:55.38 | Arrowmaster | but its only minor bonuses and nothing that would for example make one race choice always better than another, you wont see all of one race constantly higher on damage output than another race of the same class |
| 23:56.05 | Arrowmaster | mado: shaman maybe |
| 23:57.15 | Nechckn | Yeah, that would be a decent choice. |
| 23:57.23 | Arrowmaster | mostly a healing class but has both ranged spell damage and melee |
| 23:57.55 | Arrowmaster | in wow if you pick a class that can heal, expect to be healing when in a group |
| 23:58.07 | Nechckn | Druid would be fine, too, for the same reasons. |
| 23:58.51 | Nechckn | Both are good for starters, imho, because you can do a bit of everything and then decide which you like more. |
| 23:58.58 | Nechckn | Within the game and all. |
| 23:59.25 | mado | sounds good |
| 23:59.31 | Nechckn | WoW has trial accounts, by the way, mado - so it is easy to "Try before you buy". |
| 23:59.46 | mado | yeah ... but this only works once per IP doesn't it? |