| 00:06.16 | pcj | adys: http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/18341/quel-dorai-sash/ vs. http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=18341 ? |
| 00:17.32 | Adys | pcj: armory prolly right |
| 00:17.42 | pcj | zomg |
| 00:17.50 | Adys | havent done a live push yet |
| 00:18.11 | pcj | anyway to get http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50326/tooltip/js to look more like http://www.warcraftjs.com/?i=50326 |
| 00:18.12 | Adys | only one ive done is an armory push |
| 00:18.25 | Adys | umm |
| 00:18.33 | Adys | http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50326/json |
| 00:19.02 | Adys | but you cant really use this for tooltip, its raw db values |
| 00:19.34 | pcj | i see |
| 00:19.46 | Adys | otherwise you have http://db.mmo-champion.com/i/50326/tooltip |
| 00:19.57 | Adys | its valid xml, so you can use the class names |
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| 00:20.12 | pcj | yeah but it's not JSON |
| 00:20.17 | pcj | i would still have to parse it |
| 00:20.18 | Adys | the other one is. |
| 00:21.15 | pcj | do you have a list of possible values for that JSON |
| 00:21.41 | Adys | pcj: "possible values"? |
| 00:21.44 | Adys | you mean keys? |
| 00:22.01 | pcj | yeah |
| 00:22.30 | Adys | pcj: http://dpaste.com/131459/ |
| 00:22.53 | pcj | that helps, thanks |
| 00:23.42 | Adys | dont be surprised if dmgmaxX, dmgminX, dmgtypeX get a better name at some point in the future |
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| 02:14.10 | pcj | stupid bird keeps flying away from my bunny |
| 02:14.39 | Amarande | pcj: any idea if the essence of enmity quest is doable at all now? |
| 02:14.54 | Amarande | the totem says 'no valid targets' even when the target is valid |
| 02:15.24 | pcj | level 39? |
| 02:15.29 | pcj | from mudsprocket? |
| 02:15.36 | pcj | i remember that quest |
| 02:15.47 | pcj | it was doable when i did it |
| 02:16.00 | Amarande | any idea what got bugged up? |
| 02:16.07 | Amarande | apparently a fair number of folks are reporting a problem |
| 02:16.17 | Amarande | (and yes, that Q.) |
| 02:17.19 | pcj | idk what got bugged up but it is apparently uncompleteable now |
| 02:17.31 | pcj | it was patch 3.3 that broke it |
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| 03:44.11 | Amarande | pcj: figured out something about that bug BTW |
| 03:44.17 | Amarande | apparently, if you log off and back on after accepting the quest |
| 03:44.18 | Amarande | it starts working |
| 03:44.21 | Amarande | no idea why that's required |
| 03:44.24 | Amarande | either that or they hotfixed it :S |
| 03:44.35 | pcj_3 | hmm |
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| 04:14.55 | sacarasc | Does anyone know why I'd have a month free WoW when I cancelled my account 2 months ago? |
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| 04:17.44 | sacarasc | blames pcj for him somehow hacking sacarasc's account and adding time. |
| 04:18.45 | pcj | what |
| 04:19.05 | pcj | so you mean i can't give you a scroll of resurrection? |
| 04:19.14 | sacarasc | I'm in the EU, anyway. |
| 04:19.35 | sacarasc | And apparently, it's a scroll of resurrection reward... Though I had no active scrolls... |
| 04:19.38 | sacarasc | shrugs. |
| 04:19.39 | pcj | fail |
| 04:20.57 | sacarasc | The music on the downloader/installer is repetitive and has no way of turning off. |
| 04:21.24 | Eraclito | move the cursor down... more... right... okay, clic |
| 04:21.33 | Eraclito | "disable" |
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| 04:23.22 | sacarasc | http://sacarasc.org/downloader-installer.png doesn't look like any disable button to me. |
| 04:24.08 | pcj | you do realize a jpg would've worked fine for that |
| 04:24.53 | sacarasc | I could have probably put more compression on the png, but it was only 1MB. |
| 04:25.20 | pcj | 1mb file to show that |
| 04:25.44 | sacarasc | That's why we have big Internuts, so we can download big files and not care. |
| 04:26.44 | pcj | so why didn't you use the streaming installer? |
| 04:26.52 | sacarasc | I am. |
| 04:27.03 | pcj | so you can't play yet? |
| 04:27.09 | sacarasc | Nope. |
| 04:27.16 | pcj | weird, i thought that was the whole idea |
| 04:27.43 | sacarasc | It's installing loads of waves at the moment. |
| 04:28.12 | pcj | that's so exciting |
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| 04:38.35 | demonslayer6 | rawr |
| 04:38.40 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 04:38.46 | Ichi | lol |
| 04:38.53 | Ichi | thats awesome |
| 04:39.11 | pcj | huggles Gryphon |
| 04:39.16 | Gryphon | huggles pcj |
| 04:39.17 | Guest34235 | lol |
| 04:39.20 | Guest34235 | someone already has that damnit |
| 04:39.27 | Ryuhaku | RAWR |
| 04:39.28 | Ryuhaku | now what |
| 04:39.29 | Ryuhaku | <.< |
| 04:39.33 | Gryphon | ono i esceared of teh rawr! i need a huggle. |
| 04:40.08 | Ryuhaku | anyway |
| 04:40.16 | Ryuhaku | anyone wanna help me get some wow setup? |
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| 04:51.08 | Ryuhaku | ???? |
| 04:53.50 | Ryuhaku | anyone? |
| 04:54.31 | pcj | what do you mean |
| 04:56.47 | Ryuhaku | i'm trying to figure out how to get set up with the free server i wanna play on |
| 04:56.49 | Ryuhaku | lol |
| 04:56.55 | kd3 | we don't do pservers here |
| 04:58.13 | Ryuhaku | lol |
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| 05:01.07 | MasterOfDisguise | Ow. |
| 05:03.44 | sacarasc | waves bye to everyone. |
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| 05:09.41 | pcj | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1234430/Mystery-spiral-blue-light-display-hovers-Norway.html |
| 05:16.29 | Amarande | yay, nice shoulders from random dungeon |
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| 05:32.58 | pcj | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbgLapRAloQ |
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| 06:04.22 | Lunatic_Asylum | Can you download the client to play the game? |
| 06:04.26 | Lunatic_Asylum | Or you have to buy it? |
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| 06:49.48 | Arrowmaster | you can buy it online and download the client from blizzard |
| 06:50.10 | Lunatic_Asylum | So, the client is not available for free? |
| 06:50.25 | Lunatic_Asylum | I sent a question regarding the payment to the Blizzard support email address. |
| 06:50.36 | Lunatic_Asylum | But the question with the client remains open. |
| 06:51.11 | Lunatic_Asylum | First, I have to decide which version I need - the US or the EU one. |
| 06:51.24 | Lunatic_Asylum | Which depends on the payment availability in the US. |
| 06:51.50 | Amarande | Lunatic_Asylum: basically, it works like this |
| 06:51.56 | Amarande | the *client download* itself isn't charged for |
| 06:52.09 | Amarande | however, in order to activate your account from trial to full account status, there is a fee. |
| 06:52.13 | Amarande | this fee only allows you access to Classic. |
| 06:52.37 | Amarande | (one-time fee). then there's another one-time fee for access to BC content, and a third for WotLK content. |
| 06:52.42 | Lunatic_Asylum | I couldn't find the link to WoW downloads on the official servers. |
| 06:52.46 | Amarande | the monthly remains the same, however many expansions you buy. |
| 06:52.56 | Amarande | it's from your account page once you activate it, I believe |
| 06:53.04 | Lunatic_Asylum | I've read that only North American residents can pay via Paypal for the US server subscription. |
| 06:53.33 | Amarande | note, however, that the fees for activating each tier of content are generally pretty much the same as buying the client retail on discs |
| 06:53.52 | Lunatic_Asylum | Ah, all right. Where can I find more information on that? |
| 06:53.58 | Lunatic_Asylum | With the exact prices and download links? |
| 06:54.18 | Lunatic_Asylum | Everyone will have to activate his Cataclysm expansion soon. |
| 06:54.23 | Lunatic_Asylum | That's another payment. |
| 06:54.45 | Lunatic_Asylum | I earn around $300 a month, I need to work on my money-spending well. |
| 06:55.26 | Amarande | it's $20 for the initial account activation (classic) and $40 to add BC |
| 06:55.37 | Lunatic_Asylum | and WoTLK? |
| 06:55.37 | Amarande | I'm not sure what WotLK's activation fee is right now, since I bought that in a store |
| 06:55.46 | Lunatic_Asylum | Ah, OK. We don't have those in the stores. |
| 06:55.47 | Amarande | but I'd imagine it's probably $40 or so |
| 06:55.54 | Lunatic_Asylum | We have only localized versions. |
| 06:55.59 | Lunatic_Asylum | Which I'd rather not play at all. |
| 06:56.10 | Amarande | The full client download you get from your account page supports any or all expansions |
| 06:56.14 | Lunatic_Asylum | Thank you! |
| 06:56.34 | Amarande | however, of course, you have to have paid for the right content tier |
| 06:56.56 | Lunatic_Asylum | I'll try to connect to the US servers; but payment availability is highly dubious. |
| 06:57.03 | Lunatic_Asylum | but *the |
| 06:57.06 | Amarande | otherwise, e.g., if you only paid the initial activation fee, you won't be able to level past 60 or create a DK, Draenei, or BE, or go to Outland or Northrend or anything like that |
| 06:57.14 | Lunatic_Asylum | Got it. |
| 06:57.25 | Lunatic_Asylum | I read they are raising the cap up to 85 in the next expansion. |
| 06:57.49 | Lunatic_Asylum | And add two more races: goblins and wolves(?). |
| 06:57.53 | Amarande | Worgen. |
| 06:57.56 | Lunatic_Asylum | Thank you. |
| 06:58.05 | Amarande | You know those elite bastards in Silverpine that always loved to gank you at low levels? |
| 06:58.10 | Amarande | Those are worgen, I think |
| 06:58.20 | Amarande | well actually those are souped up worgen |
| 06:58.22 | Lunatic_Asylum | Sure. Sons of Agual |
| 06:58.32 | Amarande | the more typical ones are like in that village in the southwestern part of Silverpine, where they change form at night |
| 06:58.42 | Lunatic_Asylum | Pyrewood village dwellers. |
| 06:58.45 | Amarande | Yeah. |
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| 06:59.02 | Amarande | And their starting area will be ... yeah, they're finally going to let you go through that gate in the southwestern corner of Silverpine :D |
| 06:59.20 | Lunatic_Asylum | Guarded by several men, I remember that door. |
| 06:59.32 | Lunatic_Asylum | You get a ring in one of the quests around that door. |
| 06:59.34 | Amarande | gonna be eenteresting for low level Horde to have Alliance competition in one of their low level leveling areas ... |
| 06:59.42 | Amarande | probably see a lot of undead go to Ghostlands due to competition in Silverpine ... |
| 06:59.54 | Amarande | Man Ghostlands is going to be overrun |
| 06:59.56 | Amarande | let's see |
| 07:00.04 | Lunatic_Asylum | If they are playing a player versus environment, can they engage in a battle without consent from both sides? |
| 07:00.10 | Amarande | undead will go there because Silverpine will have to compete with Alliance, which probably won't be any better |
| 07:00.14 | Amarande | no, not on a PvE server |
| 07:00.16 | Lunatic_Asylum | How many users log on on a single server? |
| 07:00.24 | Lunatic_Asylum | 3000? |
| 07:00.25 | Amarande | but there will still be limited resources which both Alliance and Horde will have to compete for |
| 07:00.30 | Amarande | Not sure what the limit is |
| 07:00.36 | Lunatic_Asylum | Do you have queues there? |
| 07:00.48 | Amarande | Some servers. The one I use is only a medium population one. |
| 07:01.00 | Lunatic_Asylum | I wonder how much is "medium".. |
| 07:01.08 | Lunatic_Asylum | Around 1500, perchance.. |
| 07:01.10 | Amarande | anyway, Undead will possibly find there suddenly not enough mobs to go around if Alliance is questing Silverpine as well ... |
| 07:01.13 | Amarande | so they'll go to Ghostlands |
| 07:01.22 | Amarande | and it remains to be seen whether the Barrens will be tolerable on some servers anymore |
| 07:01.38 | Amarande | because in Cata, Camp Taurajo is going away, and the Southern Barrens will be given an Alliance outpost |
| 07:01.39 | Lunatic_Asylum | They'll fix it with 1GB-patches. |
| 07:01.51 | Amarande | which means if Alliance want to be douchebags and attack Crossroads all the time, they can do it a lot more easily than now |
| 07:02.03 | Lunatic_Asylum | Are you the Horde player? |
| 07:02.08 | Amarande | which in turn means on those servers orcs and trolls will end up forced to, you guessed it, go to ghostlands. heh |
| 07:02.11 | Amarande | Yeah, I play Horde. |
| 07:02.16 | Lunatic_Asylum | I laid my eye on Forsaken Warlocks. |
| 07:02.23 | Lunatic_Asylum | The jawless ones. |
| 07:02.33 | Lunatic_Asylum | Nothing else catches my attention. |
| 07:02.38 | Amarande | you know what I've never understood about WoW |
| 07:02.46 | Lunatic_Asylum | Not yet, what is it? |
| 07:02.47 | Amarande | just what is it about it that brings out so many people's inner douchebag? heh |
| 07:03.03 | Lunatic_Asylum | Don't take the game seriously if you don't pay much for it. |
| 07:03.03 | Lunatic_Asylum | hahah |
| 07:04.04 | Arrowmaster | Lunatic_Asylum: what country do you live in? you can use an english client in every region except russia i think |
| 07:04.15 | Lunatic_Asylum | I am in Siberia, Russia. |
| 07:04.24 | Arrowmaster | ok |
| 07:04.34 | Lunatic_Asylum | And I am wont to using any client but the localized one. |
| 07:05.13 | Lunatic_Asylum | Since I am not well-versed in Russian. |
| 07:05.28 | Arrowmaster | is russia considered part of the EU wow grouping? |
| 07:05.32 | Lunatic_Asylum | Nor do I desire to see those blasted cyrillic letters. |
| 07:05.34 | Lunatic_Asylum | Yeah. |
| 07:05.48 | Lunatic_Asylum | You can choose between the EU-EN and EU-RU servers, methinks. |
| 07:05.56 | Lunatic_Asylum | But I wish to play on the US servers. |
| 07:06.01 | Lunatic_Asylum | Cheaper, better language. |
| 07:06.08 | Lunatic_Asylum | Friendlier people. |
| 07:06.12 | Arrowmaster | there english EU servers too |
| 07:06.19 | Lunatic_Asylum | Yes, but they are expensive. |
| 07:06.24 | Amarande | Hrm. |
| 07:06.26 | Lunatic_Asylum | 12.99 EUR |
| 07:06.28 | Lunatic_Asylum | per month |
| 07:06.30 | Amarande | Feralas or Tanaris first, at 41 ... |
| 07:06.35 | Lunatic_Asylum | as opposed to 14 USD |
| 07:06.51 | Arrowmaster | 14.99 USD |
| 07:06.55 | Lunatic_Asylum | Yes, that. |
| 07:07.15 | Lunatic_Asylum | 12.99 Euros = 19.144662 U.S. dollars |
| 07:07.29 | Lunatic_Asylum | As google suggests. |
| 07:07.52 | Lunatic_Asylum | That's 1/15th of my monthly earnings! |
| 07:08.58 | Arrowmaster | keep in mind time zone differences though |
| 07:09.34 | Arrowmaster | although you could probably play on the aussie servers which use US accounts |
| 07:09.44 | Arrowmaster | not probably, you can |
| 07:10.26 | Lunatic_Asylum | Of course. I am in the PST+15 time zone. |
| 07:11.12 | Lunatic_Asylum | But World of Warcraft has 61% of all the MMORPG users. |
| 07:11.32 | Arrowmaster | those numbers are a lie |
| 07:11.46 | Lunatic_Asylum | What else do they play? |
| 07:11.50 | Lunatic_Asylum | Lineage 2? Allods Online? |
| 07:12.05 | Arrowmaster | over 50% of WoW players are on the China/Taiwan/Korea realms |
| 07:12.16 | Lunatic_Asylum | Yew. |
| 07:12.17 | Lunatic_Asylum | Sorry. |
| 07:12.17 | Lunatic_Asylum | haha |
| 07:12.33 | Lunatic_Asylum | I would never wish to deal with those. |
| 07:12.55 | Lunatic_Asylum | They are linguistically impaired people who live in the game and have no life outside of it. |
| 07:13.04 | Arrowmaster | the numbers are also inflated because at least one of those doesnt pay monthly or have to purchase monthly time cards but just pays be the actual time spent playing i think |
| 07:13.27 | Lunatic_Asylum | That's the payment plan in China. |
| 07:13.29 | Arrowmaster | so i dont think they have any 'canceled subscriptions' to remove from the count |
| 07:13.32 | Lunatic_Asylum | They pay hourly fees. |
| 07:13.44 | Lunatic_Asylum | Since they don't have computers at home. |
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| 09:31.39 | Dotted | [Lunatic_Asylum]: They are linguistically impaired people who live in the game and have no life outside of it. <- [citation needed] |
| 09:36.37 | Lunatic_Asylum | quote: [Me wash pant] |
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| 17:10.36 | Polarina | Hello. |
| 17:11.39 | Polarina | If I got a frozen account (TBC activated) that I last played last year. When I purchase WotLK online for its normal price, will some play time be included? |
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| 17:29.25 | kd3 | no. the only free playtime was with the initial wow box. you'll have to buy a game card if you want play time |
| 17:31.39 | Polarina | kd3: So I need to buy both game time and WotLK? Sounds fair enough. :) |
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| 17:39.59 | WarCrafter | Hi people |
| 17:40.22 | WarCrafter | I have not yet played world of war craft |
| 17:40.30 | kd3 | hiya |
| 17:40.34 | WarCrafter | but I was wondering if its possible to catch the story line without playing the game |
| 17:40.47 | WarCrafter | I played warcraft 3 and intrested to know the rest of the story |
| 17:40.52 | WarCrafter | arthus, lich king etc |
| 17:41.06 | WarCrafter | is there such video? |
| 17:41.09 | kd3 | a lot of it is on the wiki |
| 17:41.26 | kd3 | [[Lich King]] and so forth |
| 17:41.27 | Dotted | kd3 meant: www.wowwiki.com/Lich_King |
| 17:41.36 | WarCrafter | came across that |
| 17:41.40 | kd3 | though we have not seen the final encounter with the lich king in the raid yet |
| 17:41.41 | WarCrafter | but in the actuall game |
| 17:41.55 | WarCrafter | did you see anything relating to the story |
| 17:42.01 | WarCrafter | ie told be NPC |
| 17:42.05 | WarCrafter | or in cutscenes |
| 17:42.16 | kd3 | sure. most of northrend leveling content deals with the lich king in one forrm or another |
| 17:42.34 | WarCrafter | dont get me wrong I think the story is great |
| 17:42.40 | WarCrafter | but the way blizzard is doing it |
| 17:42.44 | WarCrafter | ie MMO |
| 17:42.49 | WarCrafter | is not very appealing to me |
| 17:42.59 | kd3 | that's just something you'll either have to deal with one way or another |
| 17:43.03 | kd3 | wow != eq |
| 17:43.11 | WarCrafter | I would prefered normal warcraft strategy |
| 17:43.31 | WarCrafter | but I guess its a matter of personal taste |
| 17:43.51 | WarCrafter | one question I always have about story depth of MMO |
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| 17:44.07 | kd3 | huge. there's a lot of background story there for those who look for it |
| 17:44.08 | WarCrafter | wouldnt it be deeper if it was stand alone RPG game? |
| 17:45.03 | kd3 | meh, dunno |
| 17:45.26 | WarCrafter | I like exploring story and all |
| 17:45.38 | WarCrafter | but I think its too much time |
| 17:45.56 | kd3 | so play wow by yourself. you don't have to group with anyone. you can get to 80 and experience most of the story all by your lonesome |
| 17:46.19 | WarCrafter | how long does it take to explore the story |
| 17:46.25 | WarCrafter | not leveling up, and fighting this and that |
| 17:46.49 | WarCrafter | ok sorry for the stupid question |
| 17:46.50 | kd3 | you'll have to level if you want to experience most of it. level 1 characters can't really get too far in northrend |
| 17:46.54 | WarCrafter | let me ask something simpler |
| 17:47.08 | WarCrafter | how does the game play |
| 17:47.20 | WarCrafter | what is the closest game that plays like it |
| 17:47.24 | WarCrafter | offline |
| 17:47.33 | WarCrafter | sacrificce |
| 17:47.35 | kd3 | hell, that's a good question |
| 17:47.40 | kd3 | thinks |
| 17:48.32 | kd3 | ff12's got a bunch of mmo-like attributes to it, I guess? |
| 17:49.28 | WarCrafter | I have not played mmo before |
| 17:49.52 | WarCrafter | so its like having warcraft, with one character |
| 17:49.54 | WarCrafter | no buildings |
| 17:49.58 | WarCrafter | and spells and items |
| 17:50.11 | kd3 | it's a role-playing game, but with lots of people in the same world |
| 17:50.37 | kd3 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MMORPG |
| 17:51.21 | WarCrafter | if its a normal game, why does people talk alot about addiction |
| 17:51.26 | WarCrafter | and not being able to stop playing it |
| 17:51.31 | WarCrafter | is it that good that it sucks you in |
| 17:51.44 | WarCrafter | or more of the feeling that you need to do this |
| 17:51.50 | WarCrafter | and spend hours trying to achieve it |
| 17:51.56 | kd3 | because like anything else, the mass-media looks for anything to shift personal responsibility away from oneself |
| 17:55.44 | WarCrafter | ok thanks for the info |
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