| 00:05.09 | Krolmor | is leatherworking of ANY use to an enhancement shaman, or should i go blacksmith-happy with it? |
| 00:05.35 | Krolmor | Have a paladin too, was thinking of pally->bs, shammy->lw. If LW is useless, I'd take JC |
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| 02:32.40 | Vesitin | 2.4.2: Most Main-Hand weapons are now One-Hand weapons.......What?! |
| 02:52.23 | Nechckn | yep... they want everyone to be all uber and stuff |
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| 03:52.03 | Sky2042 | tekkub, i'm tweaking supremus a bit. was yours just a revert, or you plan on doing somethign with it |
| 03:52.04 | Sky2042 | ? |
| 03:52.23 | Tekkub | just a revert, WW:EL |
| 03:52.29 | Sky2042 | mk. |
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| 04:21.05 | Louth | so hey |
| 04:21.23 | Sky2042 | So hey... hey! |
| 04:21.34 | Louth | how's it going |
| 04:21.43 | Sky2042 | Good good. |
| 04:22.56 | Louth | you're US or EU? |
| 04:23.06 | Sky2042 | US. |
| 04:23.15 | Sky2042 | Well, was. Don't play, currently. |
| 04:23.49 | Louth | nice, well was just wondering what battlegroup or servers are considered best for PvE progress |
| 04:24.11 | Kaso | Anyone in EU should be asleep by now, its half 5/6 here! |
| 04:24.14 | Kaso | oh wai- |
| 04:24.21 | Louth | yeah it's 5:22 |
| 04:24.21 | Sky2042 | Kaso: pft. |
| 04:24.25 | Sky2042 | LOL |
| 04:24.57 | Sky2042 | Louth: have a look at [[Guild progression]] it'll list the guilds which are top in the world, but I fear that is not what you're seeking specifically. |
| 04:25.38 | Louth | yeah, well i'm considering starting out fresh on US servers since i've started not sleeping at all recently |
| 04:25.43 | Louth | and raiding during the night |
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| 04:30.43 | Sky2042 | Louth: do you have a job?... |
| 04:31.01 | Louth | nah i'm at college |
| 04:31.13 | Sky2042 | what times are your classes? |
| 04:31.34 | Louth | 1pm - 3pm on tuesdays and thursdays |
| 04:31.52 | Kaso | Hah, Louth you've just started uni in UK i assume? |
| 04:32.00 | Louth | yeah that's the ticket |
| 04:32.22 | Sky2042 | You could prolly get away with playing on US, but I wouldn't recommend it, unless you plan on moving at some point in your life to the US :/ |
| 04:32.23 | Kaso | be careful, wow lead to me failing my first year of uni |
| 04:33.12 | Kaso | and i agree with Sky2042 tbh, most decent UK guilds will raid till midnight anyway then a few hours after that do whatever you're golden |
| 04:33.23 | Louth | well i joined inner sanctum with my rogue within the first few weeks of uni, got kicked after a while because i just wasn't on enough |
| 04:33.39 | Louth | during raid times |
| 04:33.41 | Kaso | Being nocturnal isnt the best (says he who is doing just that atm) but im ok to do it atm! |
| 04:33.47 | Kaso | Why not? |
| 04:33.59 | Louth | i was out doing uni stuff |
| 04:34.00 | Louth | lol |
| 04:34.19 | Louth | which i'm still doing, but i'm always on like midnight - 6/7am |
| 04:34.29 | Kaso | i see hmm |
| 04:34.33 | Louth | so figured i could raid with some US guild |
| 04:34.57 | Kaso | still seems like leveling a char is alot of effort to put in, and your timetable will no doubt change |
| 04:35.15 | Sky2042 | ^ |
| 04:35.42 | Louth | true |
| 04:35.54 | Louth | i still want to play, just can't at the mo |
| 04:36.12 | Sky2042 | (gee, sounds like me. -_- ) |
| 04:36.36 | Louth | lol |
| 04:37.47 | Kaso | are you doing an engineering subject per-chance? |
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| 04:37.58 | Louth | nah i'm doing internet computing |
| 04:38.20 | Kaso | computer science is part of the engineering field imo |
| 04:38.32 | Louth | well it's really a science |
| 04:38.47 | Louth | not really looking at the technical stuff |
| 04:39.09 | Sky2042_afk | i would throw it in with engineering also, tbh |
| 04:39.13 | Kaso | well perhaps i shouldve said science and engineering then |
| 04:39.22 | Louth | it's not really* |
| 04:39.24 | Louth | i meant to say |
| 04:39.46 | Kaso | anyway my hypothisis is that nocturnalism is alot more common in science and engineering fields and anywhere else |
| 04:40.02 | Louth | well i'm just a nerd, simple really :p |
| 04:40.23 | Sky2042_afk | lol, Kaso, i think it's because we're more prone to procrastination. :P |
| 04:40.26 | Hojimachong | ...I know it's unprecedented, but I have an actual question about WoW |
| 04:40.31 | Sky2042_afk | Shocking. |
| 04:40.34 | Hojimachong | I know |
| 04:40.36 | Louth | :o |
| 04:40.37 | Sky2042_afk | dies. |
| 04:40.41 | Kaso | *and = than |
| 04:40.47 | Kaso | hah |
| 04:40.52 | Hojimachong | any endgame tanks that want to help me with some stat/gear questions? |
| 04:41.08 | Louth | tank with your head |
| 04:41.17 | Sky2042_afk | that helps. Hojimachong, what class? |
| 04:41.25 | Hojimachong | I tank naked, shouting derogatory comments about the mobs mother |
| 04:41.27 | Hojimachong | prot warrior |
| 04:41.36 | Kaso | usually in IRC its best to just ask the question rather than asking for someone to ask, there are lots of people who might jump in if they can help |
| 04:41.52 | Hojimachong | IRC standards are for squares |
| 04:41.55 | Hojimachong | I am a rhombus |
| 04:41.59 | Louth | haha |
| 04:42.04 | Sky2042_afk | Hojimachong: what Kaso said. also, pop into #wowhead I'm sure someone there will help. =] |
| 04:42.13 | Hojimachong | wonderful, thanks! |
| 04:43.49 | Sky2042_afk | ooorrrr not. |
| 04:43.52 | Sky2042_afk | let me poke a couple people. |
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| 05:24.08 | VelcroMan | Hi, in WoW, what is a debuffer? |
| 05:24.42 | Kaso | VelcroMan, a debuffer would prob be any person who can remove spells |
| 05:24.51 | Kaso | Usually a shaman, priest, paladin or mage |
| 05:24.55 | VelcroMan | Okay |
| 05:25.01 | Kaso | but they all cant remove all spells |
| 05:25.19 | Kaso | http://www.wowwiki.com/Dispel_%28mechanic%29 |
| 05:25.38 | VelcroMan | Anyone in here ever played WoW with the minimum system requirements? Is it running smoothly? |
| 05:27.00 | Kaso | VelcroMan, what specs do you have on your system? |
| 05:30.59 | VelcroMan | Intel P4 1.7Ghz, nVidia GeForce 2 MX/MX 400 32MB, might be 64MB, 256MB RAM (Will buy 512MB or 1GB) |
| 05:32.02 | Kaso | Wow would be pretty painful on that, 256 is below minimum, you could play it but cities would be almost unaccessable |
| 05:32.20 | Kaso | 512 even isnt enough imo, you need a gig to be comfortable in wow |
| 05:32.54 | Kaso | Ive not played wow on low powered graphics cards but i guess it should scale down alright, it wont look perfect but should be able to get somewhat playable fps on low settings |
| 05:34.44 | VelcroMan | So if i buy 1GB RAM i probably will be able to run it quite smoothly? |
| 05:35.52 | Kaso | quite smooth is debatable, a gig of ram will help lots, but the graphics card is still going to hold FPS back, esp in big fights. |
| 05:38.36 | VelcroMan | Will a nVidia GeForce 4 Ti4600 128MB improve it much enough to be worth the money? ~$35 |
| 05:44.29 | Keolah | My bf just turned 35. I told him, "On the upside, now you're eligible to learn artisan levels of professions." ;p |
| 05:44.32 | Keolah | is such a dork. |
| 05:45.42 | Louth | lol |
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| 08:06.56 | [Liq] | Hi everyone :-) |
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| 10:52.06 | winkiller | soo, I just leeched 9000 characters out of the armory, let teh statistics begin :) |
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| 12:15.36 | Daworm | Someone may want to have a quick look at this : http://www.wowwiki.com/WoWWiki:Templates#Wow_Armory_icons |
| 12:15.49 | Daworm | prob not a big issue but red : Template loop detected |
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| 12:21.01 | Kirochi | # |
| 12:21.02 | Kirochi | Crave WarcraftRiches? |
| 12:21.02 | Kirochi | Is There Truth Behind The Hype? Buy Now Before Price Rises Again! |
| 12:21.02 | Kirochi | www.WorldofWarcraftRiches.Net |
| 12:24.35 | Daworm | Adys |
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| 12:33.53 | Lukian | sancus! |
| 12:34.48 | Lukian | stabs Adys |
| 12:34.53 | Lukian | :D |
| 12:36.35 | Lukian | Kirochi, you forgot to spam a few other channels, why? :P |
| 12:38.37 | Kirochi | I was just reporting a gold ad from the wiki... |
| 12:39.09 | Kirochi | as kirk's been sleeping for a while now, I guess it's not quite useful |
| 12:39.21 | Kirochi | and no one else bothers |
| 12:39.58 | Kirochi | well it's always been that way anyway |
| 12:40.23 | Kirochi | kb doing the job, the others chilling or busy with something exterior |
| 12:41.03 | pcj | kirochi you're just supposed to e-mail those to him |
| 12:41.28 | Adys | Daworm, Lukian, yes? |
| 12:41.45 | Adys | Im permanently afk atm :p |
| 12:41.58 | Lukian | Adys, oh Kirochi looked like he was spamming :p |
| 12:42.22 | Kirochi | yeah sure |
| 12:42.24 | Adys | and Kirochi that was indeed dumb |
| 12:42.27 | Adys | :/ |
| 12:42.56 | Kirochi | users' frame was too thin, I couldn't see the |sleep |
| 12:45.08 | Kirochi | dun blame me, Idk Kirk's e-mail address |
| 12:46.04 | Adys | his nickname at gmail dot com :/ |
| 12:49.06 | Kirochi | trop dur |
| 12:49.13 | pcj | the internet can be tough work |
| 12:49.16 | Kirochi | j'attendrai qu'il revienne |
| 12:49.30 | pcj | poutain de merde |
| 12:54.17 | Kirochi | putain* |
| 12:54.19 | Kirochi | no o |
| 12:54.35 | Kirochi | or else they're gonna think you're a portuguese immigrant or something |
| 12:56.48 | pcj | je m'en fous |
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| 13:02.15 | Kirochi | whew, you're getting good at it |
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| 13:52.59 | Kirkburn | Kirochi, email bad ads to me |
| 13:55.16 | Kirochi | e-mail is evil |
| 14:12.49 | Kirkburn | Way easier to deal with though |
| 14:16.40 | Kirochi | done111 |
| 14:16.40 | Kirkburn | Kirochi, er, thanks |
| 14:17.15 | Kirochi | what now? >:( |
| 14:19.41 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 14:19.59 | Kirochi | I did as requested |
| 14:23.34 | Kirkburn | You did indeed :) |
| 14:26.05 | Kirochi | http://www.duelinganalogs.com/comics/2007-09-26.png |
| 14:27.54 | Ose | l o l |
| 14:28.27 | Kirochi | I assume we can be glad it's not even porn, with such a title |
| 14:32.22 | Ose | Kirkburn: http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:IconLarge_NightElf_Female.gif seems broken |
| 14:32.41 | Kirkburn | Fine here |
| 14:32.47 | Ose | hmm... |
| 14:33.01 | Ose | reloading doesn't help for me... |
| 14:34.23 | Kirkburn | Broken how? |
| 14:41.53 | Ose | I don't see the image, just another link |
| 14:43.19 | Kirochi | works fine for me |
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| 15:00.59 | Adys | Kirkburn, ping |
| 15:01.11 | Kirkburn | sup? |
| 15:01.26 | Adys | made you a nice list Kirkburn |
| 15:01.27 | Adys | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Adys/Wikia |
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| 15:05.30 | Kirkburn | Adys, keep developing it (but keep it civil), and I will forward it on |
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| 15:05.49 | Adys | ill add stuff on when i think of it |
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| 15:05.55 | Adys | im on holidays on a laptop atm |
| 15:05.56 | Adys | so |
| 15:06.14 | Kirkburn | Go enjoy yourself :) |
| 15:06.28 | Kirkburn | Are you a TF2 or GTA player? |
| 15:06.53 | Kalroth | I think Kirky is referring to the words "sucks", "fuck-up", "ffs" etc. :) |
| 15:07.06 | Kalroth | If you intend to forward it to the wikia dudes anyways |
| 15:07.45 | Adys | Kirkburn, tf2 |
| 15:08.03 | Adys | Kalroth, your fuckups suck ffs :/ |
| 15:08.11 | Kalroth | QQ's |
| 15:08.20 | Kalroth | Kiiiirk, Adys isn't being civil! |
| 15:08.58 | Kalroth | Urgh, the monaco skin is fucking ugly though |
| 15:09.00 | Kalroth | Jesus |
| 15:09.02 | pcj | yes yes it is |
| 15:09.08 | pcj | and it sucks too |
| 15:09.09 | Kirkburn | Adys, gotta try the TF2 update later |
| 15:09.16 | Adys | Same one of those days |
| 15:09.23 | Adys | dont have steam installed on here tho |
| 15:10.50 | Kirkburn | ah, k |
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| 15:48.42 | winkiller | FFS |
| 15:48.51 | winkiller | User:WoWWiki-Armagon |
| 16:08.49 | Kirkburn | winkiller, problem? |
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| 16:46.01 | Ose|WC3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Peregrine2976/Fanfiction this is good stuff... |
| 16:46.19 | Kirochi | peregrine is an ass |
| 16:46.20 | Kirochi | oops |
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| 18:01.24 | Kirkburn | ooh, the FOV setting looks to now be on all Source games |
| 18:01.56 | Kaso | all? even the old ones? HL and HL:S ? |
| 18:02.09 | Kirkburn | "Source games", silly :P |
| 18:02.18 | Kaso | i mean HL2 and HL:S |
| 18:02.18 | Kirkburn | That's HL2 and onwards |
| 18:02.25 | Kaso | sweet |
| 18:02.27 | Kirkburn | Quite possibly |
| 18:02.36 | Kirkburn | Changelog says "Added FOV slider to Options | Video | Advanced for all games (moved there from TF2âs multiplayer options)" |
| 18:02.47 | Kirkburn | TF2's got loads of new stuff |
| 18:02.53 | Kirkburn | New anims and sound effects |
| 18:03.58 | Kaso | i heard there was a big update, i havent checked it out yet. |
| 18:04.06 | Kirkburn | ooh, "Mapmakers can now place Engineer buildings directly into a map, with an option for them to be invulnerable" |
| 18:04.23 | Kirkburn | log is here - http://www.steampowered.com/index.php?area=news&id=1552 |
| 18:04.47 | Kaso | hah invun turrets all over the map, fun fun |
| 18:07.26 | Kirkburn | lol "Added new attack animations to most melee weapons. Tired of hitting people with a shovel overhand? Now you can do it sidearm!" |
| 18:07.53 | Fisker- | your mother :( |
| 18:09.00 | Kaso | Is that alt-fire type thing or is that just random select one of the two animations |
| 18:10.56 | Kirkburn | random |
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| 19:04.01 | Fisker- | i wanted the white gold Kirkburn |
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| 19:46.44 | Sandwichman2448 | Why are all my user subpages... and all logs of me gone? |
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| 19:48.07 | Kirkburn | It's all under SWM2449 |
| 19:48.16 | Kirkburn | (Which I know is wrong) |
| 19:49.42 | Sandwichman2448 | I am sad i do not exist. |
| 19:49.55 | Ose | we'll miss you :( |
| 19:50.09 | Kirkburn | Sandwichman2448, you do exist, just everything got moved to the wrong name |
| 19:50.20 | Kirkburn | I'm reporting it, should be revertable |
| 19:50.33 | Kirkburn | Just log in as 2449 for now |
| 19:51.08 | Sandwichman2448 | K |
| 19:51.13 | Sandwichman2448 | Understood |
| 19:51.39 | Kirkburn | Sorry :( |
| 19:51.47 | Sandwichman2448 | It is ok. |
| 19:53.15 | Fisker- | change your nick as well |
| 19:53.17 | Fisker- | >D |
| 19:53.19 | Fisker- | :D |
| 19:53.30 | Kirkburn | lol, should I make a "ninja dinosaur" screenshot? |
| 19:53.51 | Fisker- | i just want the white gold Kirkburn |
| 19:53.51 | Kirkburn | Got it in the middle of what looks like a flying kick :P |
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| 19:54.04 | valami | Hi! |
| 19:54.10 | Kirkburn | hullo |
| 19:54.25 | valami | Anybody knows how can I enable wow's ingame voice chat? The voice tab isn't there, and it says Sound instead of Sound/Voice in the menu. |
| 19:54.50 | Ose | eh? |
| 19:54.58 | Ose | that's weird... |
| 19:55.36 | Kirkburn | I've seen that happen to me, assumed it was due to a lack of mic |
| 19:55.58 | Kirkburn | (I didn't use voice chat, so didn't look too closely) |
| 19:57.10 | valami | I have a mic and it's fully recognized by my system. |
| 19:59.07 | foxlit | Tab doesn't really require a mic |
| 19:59.10 | Adys | http://feeds.gawker.com/~r/gizmodo/full/~3/280883864/windows-7-and-windows-live-to-have-even-more-forced-integration |
| 19:59.19 | Adys | that is so horrible |
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| 20:03.32 | Kirkburn | It's also rather overblown |
| 20:03.58 | Kirkburn | I mean, that last sentence is incredibly biased |
| 20:04.16 | Kirkburn | And how is it "forced"? |
| 20:04.36 | Kirkburn | What's the "even more"? All there is in Vista is a couple of links. |
| 20:04.56 | Kirkburn | Sorry, but it's just fud. |
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| 20:06.30 | Ose | Yay! Liverpool scored! |
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| 20:19.14 | Ose | I find it funny how Zul'Jin can do a handstand on his missing arm... |
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| 20:38.26 | Keolah | It's magic, don't you know? |
| 20:43.08 | Kirkburn | Ose, happy? |
| 20:43.20 | Ose | with what? |
| 20:43.44 | Kirkburn | The thing on the TV |
| 20:45.06 | Kirkburn | Ah |
| 20:45.10 | Kirkburn | I see it was offside |
| 20:45.23 | Kirkburn | I just passed by the TV, housemate is watching |
| 20:45.49 | Ose | yez |
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| 21:11.31 | Ose | bah |
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| 21:31.22 | Kirochi | hi |
| 21:31.35 | Kirochi | Kirkburn |
| 21:31.38 | Kirochi | you on ? |
| 21:31.45 | Kirkburn | sup? |
| 21:32.02 | Kirochi | what the hell is about wow curse wikia something ? |
| 21:32.08 | Kirkburn | huh? |
| 21:32.23 | Kirochi | try n type www.wowwiki.com |
| 21:32.26 | Kirkburn | You've not got redirected there again? |
| 21:32.28 | Kirkburn | Gah |
| 21:32.43 | Kirochi | I have |
| 21:32.49 | Kirochi | feeling better now |
| 21:32.55 | Kirochi | ... |
| 21:33.05 | Kirochi | what was that? |
| 21:33.08 | Kirkburn | Reporting it |
| 21:33.19 | Kirkburn | Someone else reported it yesterday |
| 21:33.25 | Kirochi | ok thanks |
| 21:33.40 | Kirochi | (been redirected there thrice on the same try) |
| 21:34.39 | Ose | why would anyone using WMW CHOOSE jpg over png? |
| 21:38.45 | Kirkburn | No idea :( |
| 21:39.00 | Kirkburn | Done a whole bunch of new critters |
| 21:39.17 | Kirkburn | Fortunately remembered my quick process :) |
| 21:40.11 | Kirkburn | WMP --> Position --> PNG Screenshot --> GIMP --> Autocrop --> Shadow --> Cubic resize to +85px height. Done! |
| 21:40.37 | Ose | nice |
| 21:41.01 | Kirkburn | Might do some more tomorrow |
| 21:41.28 | Ose | I mean, as far as I know png is default, which means that people saving wmw in jpg have deliberately chosen that format |
| 21:41.39 | Kirkburn | bmp is default I think |
| 21:41.47 | Kirkburn | (which is insane) |
| 21:41.53 | Ose | yeah |
| 21:42.02 | Kirkburn | Only on first load though, once you've chosen one, it sticks with it |
| 21:42.30 | Ose | I guess, some people don't know the quality difference between jpg and png, but never the less... |
| 21:42.43 | foxlit | You often do not need the lossless property of png |
| 21:43.43 | foxlit | (and using WMV to save screenshots usually loses you antialiasing, which is a bad, bad thing :( ) |
| 21:44.29 | Kirkburn | It does, yeah |
| 21:44.31 | Ose | well... |
| 21:44.56 | Kirkburn | It's better to make the screenshot huuuge, then resize to something reaosnable |
| 21:45.28 | foxlit | It's better to capture it with something other than WMV's save feature :) |
| 21:45.43 | Kirkburn | Or that, but not great for transparency |
| 21:46.12 | Ose | http://www.wowwiki.com/Image:Warlord%27s_Aegis_-_Blood_Elf_Male.jpg ugh... |
| 21:46.15 | foxlit | Dunno about that |
| 21:46.36 | Kirkburn | foxlit, capture how, then? |
| 21:46.38 | Kirochi | ose |
| 21:46.42 | Ose | ya? |
| 21:46.44 | Kirochi | I got an answer |
| 21:46.50 | foxlit | Could make the background something outrageous like magenta and deselect it in image editing afterwards |
| 21:46.53 | Kirochi | <Ose> why would anyone using WMW CHOOSE jpg over png? |
| 21:46.59 | Ose | yes? |
| 21:47.10 | Kirochi | cause we like ugly sceenshots ? :D |
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| 21:47.24 | Kirkburn | foxlit, surely that doesn't work well for semi-transparent areas? |
| 21:47.27 | Kirochi | s/sceenshots/screenshots |
| 21:47.54 | foxlit | That utterly fails for semi-transparent areas, unless your color choice and editor is way awesome |
| 21:48.00 | Kirkburn | :) |
| 21:48.05 | Ose | I sometimes have to select some crazy bg to avoid parts of the model getting transparent... |
| 21:48.05 | foxlit | On the other hand; whoah, someone is saving full-transparency PNGs? |
| 21:48.16 | Kirkburn | Yes, I am |
| 21:48.37 | Kirkburn | But I'm resizing them, so aliasing isn't a problem |
| 21:48.58 | foxlit | It's just marginally less crap than it would've been |
| 21:49.13 | foxlit | Still not as good as actually rendering to desired size and saving properly |
| 21:49.47 | Kirkburn | http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Featured_Critters |
| 21:50.08 | Kirkburn | They beg to differ :P |
| 21:50.24 | foxlit | I doubt they can |
| 21:50.29 | foxlit | Since there's nothing to compare to |
| 21:50.37 | Adys | [23:40:11] <Kirkburn> WMP --> Position --> PNG Screenshot --> GIMP --> Autocrop --> Shadow --> Cubic resize to +85px height. Done! |
| 21:50.46 | Ose | ugh, grainy gallery |
| 21:51.02 | Kirkburn | Ose, yeah, it blows small images up, wish it wouldn't |
| 21:51.09 | Adys | ./convid.py 12345 -85px |
| 21:51.10 | Adys | done! |
| 21:51.38 | Adys | 85px* |
| 21:51.52 | Kirkburn | Adys, yes and I could script it, but I won't |
| 21:52.14 | Adys | lazy⢠|
| 21:52.27 | Kirkburn | lol, no, it's cause I might want to alter the steps |
| 21:52.57 | Adys | Adding params ftw |
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| 21:55.58 | Ose | what's left to do with the mp now Kirkburn? Is it looking good on all skins? |
| 21:56.13 | Kirkburn | Need to check wowwiki.css, but pretty much |
| 21:57.42 | Ose | what is Favicon.ico? |
| 21:57.59 | Kirkburn | It's the favicon, on wikia you normally change that file |
| 21:58.09 | Kirkburn | Ours is set server-side, but I'm making sure |
| 21:58.19 | Ose | what is a favicon? |
| 21:58.27 | Kirkburn | ~google favicon |
| 21:58.36 | Kirkburn | actually, bet that won't work |
| 21:58.44 | Ose | the little image shown on search? |
| 21:58.49 | Kirkburn | ~wikipedia favicon |
| 21:58.56 | Kirkburn | Yes |
| 21:59.21 | Ose | okiedokie |
| 22:02.07 | Kirkburn | New editing features just went live on Wikia, we're should get them fairly soon |
| 22:02.23 | Kirkburn | These: http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Edit_Page_Enhancements |
| 22:03.01 | Adys | Looks good, but kirk please |
| 22:03.34 | Adys | everything js should be turnable off in the prefs |
| 22:03.35 | Kirkburn | They are |
| 22:03.45 | Adys | those yeah |
| 22:03.48 | Adys | everything, no :P |
| 22:03.55 | Kirkburn | Do not show editing tips, Do not show link suggest, Enable similar articles suggestions |
| 22:04.10 | Adys | say I dont want to have the menus for example for some odd reason (Like, say, segfaulting or something) |
| 22:04.25 | Kirkburn | Oh, go back to your holiday dude :P |
| 22:04.31 | Adys | I should get instead a very small list of basic links |
| 22:04.37 | Adys | and not get the js stuff with it :P |
| 22:04.42 | Adys | And yea yea |
| 22:05.02 | Adys | Im supposed to write a converter from armory data to wdz |
| 22:07.08 | Kirkburn | Btw, files types allowed on the wiki was increased: |
| 22:07.09 | Kirkburn | File types that can be uploaded are .png, .gif, .jpg, .jpeg, .ico, .ogg, .pdf, .xcf, .svg, .mid, .jl, .odt, .ods, .odp, .odg, .odc, .odf, .odi, and .odm. |
| 22:07.49 | Charitwo | hey Kirkburn, did you get a ticket filed for that special:log bug? |
| 22:08.12 | Kirkburn | Hmm, good question |
| 22:08.30 | Adys | kirk why all the doc formats? |
| 22:08.37 | Kirkburn | Adys, why not? :P |
| 22:08.41 | Kirkburn | That's the standard list |
| 22:08.52 | Kirkburn | Wasn't specifically increased just for us |
| 22:08.56 | Adys | oh k |
| 22:09.04 | Adys | whats .jl? |
| 22:09.11 | Adys | ~jl |
| 22:09.28 | Kirkburn | no idea |
| 22:09.39 | Kirkburn | ~wikipedia jl |
| 22:09.46 | Adys | ~wikipedia .jl |
| 22:09.46 | Ose | soundz? |
| 22:09.56 | Adys | ~wikipedia infobot |
| 22:10.06 | Kirkburn | :O |
| 22:10.08 | Adys | AKA: It sucks at parsing wp |
| 22:10.26 | Ose | ~wikipedia Ose |
| 22:11.11 | Adys | ~wikipedia User:Adys |
| 22:11.17 | Charitwo | ~wikipedia Wikipedia:User categories for discussion |
| 22:11.29 | Ose|demon | ~wikipedia lol |
| 22:11.31 | Kirkburn | Charitwo, done now |
| 22:11.33 | Adys | :/ |
| 22:11.41 | Charitwo | cool |
| 22:11.53 | Adys | afk i got a parser to work |
| 22:12.19 | Kirkburn | Charitwo, were you talking about http://www.wowwiki.com/MediaWiki:Pr_introductory_text before? |
| 22:12.54 | Charitwo | yea, it used to be MediaWiki:Reportproblemtext |
| 22:14.50 | Kirkburn | Charitwo, ah, no idea |
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| 22:19.45 | Welsh | Gah. I get terrible graphics lag when playing WoW. :/ |
| 22:19.49 | Welsh | I need a new graphics card. |
| 22:20.08 | Welsh | Any cheap suggestions? |
| 22:21.14 | Ose | [[Teh Cheep Graphix Cardz]] (+1 grapich) |
| 22:24.36 | Welsh | Whoops. Wrong channel! :/ |
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| 22:28.18 | Polarina | Welsh: Nvidia GeForce 8800 GTS 512 |
| 22:29.29 | foxlit | 9600GT? |
| 22:29.35 | foxlit | 8800GT? |
| 22:32.25 | Polarina | GTS. |
| 22:33.10 | Polarina | The 98xx cards are too expensive with way too little gain. |
| 22:33.27 | Adys | 9600gt |
| 22:33.32 | Adys | they are cheap and they are fine |
| 22:33.39 | Adys | the 8k are getting old |
| 22:34.07 | Polarina | Adys: The 9xxx series brings no, if any at all, performance gain over the 8xxx series. |
| 22:34.33 | Adys | but are better supported |
| 22:34.50 | Polarina | Adys: [citation needed] |
| 22:34.56 | Adys | :P |
| 22:36.21 | foxlit | I think the story was that due to a horrible naming disaster, 8800GT > 8800GTS |
| 22:36.59 | Polarina | foxlit: The 8800 GTS with 512 MiB video RAM performs better than the 8800 GT. |
| 22:38.00 | Slackwise | Yea, by almost 10%... if even that. |
| 22:38.15 | Slackwise | hugs his E6600/8800GT |
| 22:38.30 | Slackwise | $100 for 10fps is weaksauce. |
| 22:38.35 | Slackwise | Oops, didn't mean to say 10% above :P |
| 22:39.06 | foxlit | so they released another GTS card |
| 22:39.08 | Polarina | Slackwise: I have a Intel® Core 2 Quad Q6600. |
| 22:39.10 | foxlit | awesome. |
| 22:39.42 | Slackwise | Polarina: Two E6600's slapped together. |
| 22:39.51 | Slackwise | way more heat, way less overclocking. |
| 22:41.20 | Polarina | Slackwise: You can overclock a Q6600 upto 3,4 GHz without water cooling to what I heard. |
| 22:41.32 | Slackwise | Same here. |
| 22:41.34 | Slackwise | :P |
| 22:41.45 | Slackwise | But it's literally two E6600's slapped together. |
| 22:41.46 | Polarina | But I don't overclock mine. :P |
| 22:41.54 | Slackwise | And stock, it outputs more heat. |
| 22:41.59 | Slackwise | Which is why I didn't get one. |
| 22:42.10 | Polarina | Mine generates little as no heat. |
| 22:42.24 | foxlit | It's special. My preciousssssss! |
| 22:42.41 | foxlit | I can almost place my palm agains the processor die |
| 22:42.46 | foxlit | and it'll still be luke-warm! |
| 22:43.26 | foxlit | (DISCLAIMER: DO NOT ATTEMPT. You're liable for any burn tissue damage you might incur while attempting to place your palm against the processor die.) |
| 22:44.01 | Polarina | What a tissue. :) |
| 22:44.02 | Slackwise | I only got my E6600 because it was at the best price:performance ratio at the time, while being the most overclocker-friendly CPU. |
| 22:44.27 | Slackwise | I almost got a Q6600 which was only a bit more expensive at the time... but architecturally, I didn't like the idea of having a bandaid Quad Core. |
| 22:44.46 | Polarina | Slackwise: No really, dump the dual-core and get a quad-core. It's a real life saver! :D |
| 22:45.00 | Slackwise | Not to mention, after reading the performance reviews for UT3, there was almost no benefit to using a Q6600 over an E6600. |
| 22:45.04 | foxlit | My level of care about CPU performance: |__________| (the bar is empty) |
| 22:45.12 | Slackwise | I'd prefer a Quad at my office at work. |
| 22:45.18 | Slackwise | But my gaming workstation at home is fine. |
| 22:45.48 | Slackwise | The tempting thing was possibly getting a Quad Core, 4GB of RAM, and Quad SLI... and naming the PC "QUAD DAMAGE" |
| 22:45.48 | Polarina | In about 4 to 6 years, there will be Octo-core CPUs in the market (According to Intel®'s Schedule) |
| 22:46.03 | Adys | 4 to 6 years? |
| 22:46.14 | Adys | some friends own some since months |
| 22:46.20 | Polarina | Slackwise: SLI is just a waste of money. You can bump enough FPS in every game with a single card. |
| 22:46.24 | Adys | and amd is planning 12 cores already |
| 22:46.39 | Slackwise | Polarina: Duh... which is why I got an 8800GT instead and a P35 motherboard with solid caps. :P |
| 22:46.39 | Adys | if intel plans to release mainstream octocores in 4 to 6 years they have a problem. |
| 22:46.45 | Polarina | Adys: They failed horribly at their "native" quad-core design. |
| 22:47.01 | Adys | nice to hear amd will take over then i hate intel |
| 22:47.16 | Polarina | Adys: No really, they failed HORRIBLY! |
| 22:47.24 | Slackwise | GA-P35-DS3R, E6600, 8800GT, and 2GB DDR2-800 CL4 |
| 22:47.25 | Adys | Good, amd will take over |
| 22:47.26 | Slackwise | I'm good. |
| 22:47.34 | foxlit | [AMD] failed HORRIBLY? |
| 22:47.37 | Slackwise | I calculated price and performance and made an awesome balance. |
| 22:47.42 | Slackwise | I had /charts/. |
| 22:47.45 | Slackwise | Spreadsheets. |
| 22:47.49 | Slackwise | Calculating it all out. |
| 22:47.49 | foxlit | pie graphs? |
| 22:47.54 | Slackwise | foxlit: Yes! Actually. |
| 22:47.57 | Kirkburn | mmmm, pie |
| 22:48.09 | foxlit | high-fives Kirkburn. |
| 22:48.10 | Slackwise | Unfortunately, they're all on my old PC's HDD. |
| 22:48.14 | Polarina | Adys: Their Phenom CPUs fail horribly. |
| 22:48.24 | Slackwise | I got a new 500GB SATA drive and only one IDE channel on this PC... didn't bother plugging in the old HDD. |
| 22:48.54 | Slackwise | My goal was simple: Play UT3 on max settings with 80+ FPS |
| 22:49.01 | Slackwise | And I accomplished it. |
| 22:49.11 | Slackwise | Next release cycle for FPS games is in 3 years. I'm set for 3 years. |
| 22:49.31 | foxlit | time to redefine that goal |
| 22:49.40 | foxlit | "play Crysis on max settings with 80+ FPS" |
| 22:49.50 | Slackwise | Yea, except... Crysis is boring. |
| 22:49.58 | Slackwise | I actually /play/ UT3. |
| 22:50.07 | foxlit | Only as boring as you make it, really. |
| 22:50.12 | Polarina | Slackwise: Next time, head for 95+ FPS in Crysis with all video settings set to maximum (64x anti-aliasing (Only available for Quad SLI cards), etc.). |
| 22:50.36 | foxlit | [Does 64x anti-aliasing even make sense?] |
| 22:51.23 | Polarina | foxlit: No, but some weird gamers who think having 250 FPS over 120 FPS makes any difference at all on their 100 Hz monitors. |
| 22:51.49 | Slackwise | Polarina: I'm going to aim for max again in UT or Quake, except Quake is dead. |
| 22:51.56 | Slackwise | And UT may possibly never get released again for PC. |
| 22:51.56 | Polarina | s/any difference at all/is a winning bean in a can/ |
| 22:52.16 | foxlit | odd idiom. |
| 22:52.21 | Slackwise | And by dead, I mean Quake 4 was the last release. |
| 22:52.26 | Slackwise | Aside from "Quake Wars" |
| 22:53.36 | foxlit | Though I was more interested in what 64x antialiasing entails, programmatically. |
| 22:53.56 | Kirkburn | A lot. |
| 22:54.23 | Slackwise | Actually, I may shove these parts into a small case to carry around. Then I'll build a quad core for programming at home. |
| 22:57.09 | Slackwise | Okay, bad idea. |
| 22:57.15 | Slackwise | Don't sit in a starting area as a 70. |
| 22:57.49 | Slackwise | A friend just got WoW, so I gave him 200g to start up and 4x Netherweave Bags |
| 22:57.58 | Slackwise | Then I logged out at the starting area. |
| 22:58.10 | Slackwise | Login a few minutes ago, now I'm swarmed with people asking crap. |
| 22:59.21 | Polarina | Crap happens. |
| 22:59.37 | Kirkburn | ne'er was a truer phrase said |
| 23:03.15 | Kirkburn | Wow, that's kinda scary - the new main page is almost the same size as the old one - despite having so much more content |
| 23:03.23 | Kirkburn | (in terms of kb) |
| 23:03.37 | foxlit | WoWInsider + Security == Hilarity |
| 23:03.53 | foxlit | "We take security here very important." |
| 23:19.07 | Kirkburn | Whatever the Blizzplanet thing was, it's coming very very very soon |
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| 23:31.43 | Kalroth | Kirkburn: So the old mainpage was larger than 900kb? :o |
| 23:32.01 | Kirkburn | 900?? |
| 23:32.05 | Kalroth | yup |
| 23:32.21 | Kirkburn | They're both around 30kb, and I'm not including images |
| 23:32.35 | Kalroth | oh, you mean in wiki code then? |
| 23:32.51 | Kirkburn | No, html source |
| 23:33.09 | Kalroth | Portal Main.htm is 174k here |
| 23:33.12 | Kirkburn | Wikicode wouldn't be a good measure due to their different coding |
| 23:33.18 | Sandwichman2448 | The RC menu doesn't show the names of new images and deletions. Is that normal? |
| 23:33.32 | Kalroth | frontpage -> save page as in Firefox |
| 23:33.43 | Kirkburn | Sandwichman2448, looks fine to me |
| 23:33.49 | Kirkburn | (menu>( |
| 23:33.59 | Kirkburn | kalroth, different thing |
| 23:34.05 | Kirkburn | That won't save just html |
| 23:34.05 | Kalroth | oh? |
| 23:34.19 | Kalroth | yes it will, it makes a subfolder for all external files |
| 23:34.59 | Kalroth | I'm using the monarco skin though |
| 23:35.01 | Kalroth | Might be that? |
| 23:35.07 | Kirkburn | Nah |
| 23:35.18 | Kirkburn | It also seems to include any linked files, like JS |
| 23:35.52 | Kirkburn | Anyway, the only stuff that will really change is the basic html, and those are almost on par |
| 23:36.08 | Kalroth | if I view source inside the browser and copy that to a text editor I drop down to 157k bytes |
| 23:36.25 | Kirkburn | Yeah, sounds more like it |
| 23:36.31 | Kirkburn | That's odd though |
| 23:36.48 | Kirkburn | When I right click and view page info it gives 30k |
| 23:37.12 | Kalroth | says unknown size here |
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| 23:37.20 | Kalroth | it's for http://www.wowwiki.com/Portal:Main right? |
| 23:37.22 | Kirkburn | hah, what fun :P |
| 23:37.44 | Kalroth | the 30k are most likely the compressed data |
| 23:37.58 | Kalroth | yup, it is |
| 23:38.14 | Kalroth | it's the gzip size of the page |
| 23:38.19 | Kirkburn | oh, fun |
| 23:38.32 | Kirkburn | Well, just tried it with source, 159kb vs 162kb. Not bad :) |
| 23:38.47 | Kalroth | yup, that's hardly a difference in size |
| 23:38.58 | Kalroth | now you just need to make it look good again! |
| 23:38.59 | Kalroth | hides. |
| 23:39.03 | Kirkburn | lol |
| 23:39.12 | Kirkburn | I'm off |
| 23:39.16 | Kalroth | cya :) |
| 23:39.29 | Kirkburn | Have a lovely end of April/start of May everyone! |
| 23:39.54 | Kirkburn|sleep | (may return depending on the Blizzplanet announcement) |
| 23:39.54 | Charitwo | lies, you'll be awake for the next 3 hours! |
| 23:40.00 | Kalroth | lol |
| 23:40.12 | Kirkburn|sleep | Yes, but not on WoWWiki/Wikia if I can avoid it :P |
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