IRC log for #wowwiki on 20080210

00:00.27Nebu1aim still eligible as its default ?
00:00.27kd3if you're undead, you can get a skelly mount no matter what faction you are
00:00.54Nebu1afinal question hehe, with enchants on your wep,
00:01.05Nebu1ais it worth picking them up at lvl 39 for instance, if your not a twink ?
00:01.13kd3not really
00:01.24Nebu1aseems quite expensive? or would you hold onto that wep longer due to the enchant ?
00:02.10Nebu1aive got a fair few BG items to get my be each time and to take a break from levelling, they seem to do, but 25G seems quite expensive for something that'll last me a few levs ?
00:03.24kd3which is why it's not really worth it
00:03.47Nebu1anew to the game, so just double checking, those enchants only worthwhile at lvl 70 ? on epic gear ?
00:05.17kd3if you get a weapon you're probably not going to replace any time soon and the enchant's relatively cheap, go for it. otherwise you're just throwing gold away as you replace weapons as you level
00:05.27kd3high-end chants and such don't matter until you're level capped
00:05.37Nebu1ayeah, thanks for the advice appreciated
00:07.48[NewsBot]WoW Insider: One Boss Leaves: Sapphiron vs. Hakkar wrap up -
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00:19.41Gourrais it possible to resize an image inside <imagelink>?
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00:39.53[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Sunwell Plateau's magical menagerie -
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01:19.00foxlit!item [sandbox] Conjured Muffin
01:19.03FoxbotCouldn't save wiki page [WoWWiki:Sandbox/1]
01:19.14foxlitI wonder.
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01:21.56foxlitKaso: ping
01:23.29Kasohey fox
01:24.15Kasothought fox might not highlight for you
01:24.17foxlitColloquy pings when someone you direct a message at responds anyway :)
01:24.33foxlitAnyway, did you ever run your wiki code with periods of long inactivity?
01:25.02foxlitLog in, idle for an hour or two, try to save a page
01:26.10Kasoyah i recall some issue with cookies timing out
01:26.43foxlitAuthentication just seems to die after a long period of inactivity; possibly session timing out server-side
01:27.19KasoI think i just recursively called the main function if i got an error that signified not logged in, which would then log itself back in then head off to the processing queue and continue the work where it left off
01:27.46foxlitMm, harder; don't keep passwords around past log-ins
01:27.52[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Gear upgrades in 2.4: Engineering goggles, tier 6 armor sets, and more -
01:28.19KasoYou get password from the stdin?
01:28.48foxlitI wish, but not quite
01:28.56foxlitI can't do that without having lua echo it to the terminal
01:29.15Kasohow'd you do it
01:29.24foxlitIt's stored in a mildly unreadable form in a file, compiled to a function which is executed once and then discarded
01:29.53Kasodoes it have to be discarded? what harm can it really do sitting in memory?
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01:31.12foxlitNot much, really
01:32.59Kasobut yeh, basically once your session times out re-logging in is the only thing to do
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01:34.25foxlit"remember me" :)
01:34.39Kasoooh, that seems like a much better option
01:34.51Kasoi was just thinking, "how come it doesnt log out when i use firefox..."
01:35.12foxlitYeah, had to log out to check that
01:35.35foxlitShould probably destroy sessions too, then
01:36.45foxlitseems like one md5 hash is all that stands between someone and a new free session.
01:42.22foxlit" ... This problem grows exponentially with the addition of Illidan's death, and soon that of Arthas. ..."
01:42.46foxlitThe word exponentially needs to revolt and start hitting people for using it like that :/
01:46.26foxlitThe more I try to write a library to handle scheduling between time-consuming processes, the more I think it's an evil idea :(
01:47.35foxlitGives a heck of an opportunity for modules to remain in memory and semi-active even after the core considers them destroyed
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03:10.49[NewsBot]World of Raids: PTR is up: surge of info -
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03:14.41Pzyk2.4 patch info explosssssshunnn
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03:25.23Corganwtb ptr
03:27.11Pzykaverage wait time: 4 days
03:58.45CorganDeath to Blizzard
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06:14.59Lukiansomeone has mangled this article
06:15.21Lukianor I just can't find the hit rating cap for single melee against a 73/boss
06:15.54[NewsBot]WoW Insider: EU PTR appears to be up, connectivity issues abound -
06:23.10Kirkburnooh, tis a dragonhawk you ride to the Sunwell
06:23.20Kirkburnkd3, you having any luck?
06:23.48KirkburnFun the way that one of the realms has three people on.
06:23.49kd3checking every 15m but I don't think I'll be getting on til they fix auth
06:24.16kd3which is probably what that insider post is saying too
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06:26.16KirkburnI'm off to bed
06:26.22Kirkburn|sleepG'night all!
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07:55.25kd3~staple Sky2042
07:55.25infobotACTION attaches a staple gun to a pneumatic nail gun via duct tape, staples Sky2042 quite well, and hands Sky2042 to kd3
08:02.36Sky2042Dotted, you traitor.
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08:14.46Fisker-NOOOO Bibi
08:14.47Fisker-so owned
08:16.08Bibiowned ?
08:16.41Fisker-i got no copies
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08:18.55BibiI dont think anyone did
08:19.15sancusare you gonna post screenshots of what the gear looks like also?
08:19.31Bibiprobably at some point if i'm really bored yeah.
08:19.38Fisker-new combat log is awesome
08:19.38sancusId like to know what Sunfire robe looks like =)
08:19.45Bibilike sun
08:19.46Bibiwith fire.
08:20.03sancusI guess I could just log into the server and pull up the link myself
08:23.49Fisker-knew it Kirkburn|sleep
08:23.54Fisker-m'uru is gone
08:27.22Sky2042M'uru = Dark naaru????
08:28.02Fisker-yup i guess
08:30.57MiyariNo more blood elf paladins? :3
08:31.28Fisker-why do people SUDDENLY FAIL?
08:31.40Fisker-because they think that paladins get their power from tapping into a stupid naaru
08:38.29Fisker- <-i suck but i added it
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08:52.50Farfromuniquehello everyone
08:53.06Farfromuniqueanyone active?
08:55.55Sky2042what can i do for ye?
08:56.38FarfromuniqueI'm having trouble with a table... I'm trying to update Spell critical strike rating gems, and it looks... weird
08:57.28Farfromuniqueit's currently not saved, because it looks crappy. should I save so you can look at it?
08:57.47Sky2042what's your user name?
08:57.56Sky2042before you edit.
08:58.51Sky2042[[User:Farfromunique/Sandbox]], then edit it with your version.
08:59.04Sky2042well, that failed -__
08:59.46Farfromuniquesandbox updated
09:00.09Farfromuniqueexcept i didn't capitalize the sandbox
09:00.11Sky2042now add the original beneath it for me
09:00.13Sky2042it works.
09:01.40Farfromuniqueoriginal added below
09:02.21Farfromuniquethe second line of "yellow" has an item there... and it doesn't show up
09:03.49Sky2042well, huh.
09:04.32Sky2042working on it.
09:04.50Farfromuniqueis that what mk means/
09:06.58Sky2042Farfromunique: give me some time to have a go at it. :)
09:09.18Sky2042in the meanwhile, go find something else to do. there's /always/ something else. heh
09:11.27Farfromuniquehehe.. I was actually fixing it so that i could use it. I'm gonna hop in a BG queue
09:11.58Sky2042works for me
09:13.32Sky2042Farfromunique: you were just going to make it into a table instead of having just the items, correct?
09:16.46Farfromuniqueright, so that it could match the other gem page subsections
09:16.57Sky2042will fix up a fresh one.
09:17.09Sky2042probably just a columns issue, but either way, from scratch is good.
09:19.15Sky2042yes. just a columning issue.
09:19.20Sky2042hard to see with all that markup :/
09:19.29Sky2042will be done in about 5
09:19.47Farfromuniqueawesome. thanks a ton
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09:28.25Sky2042Farfromunique: done. copy and paste to the correct page.
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09:28.58Farfromuniquethanks again
09:30.51Sky2042it's what i do.
09:31.48Farfromunique:-) Well, I'm gonna log off of IRC. I might be on later.
09:31.54Sky2042you too
09:33.19Sky2042I'm still feeling destructive...
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10:14.53Fisker-i am destructive
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11:44.31Nebu1alo all, any rogues about ?
11:44.51Nebu1aim lvl 39 combat sword spec but i want to respec to daggers, as im only lvl 39 whats the best option ?
11:45.26Nebu1aspec in assas/combat or assas/subt ?
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12:10.30Nebu1ahey anyone free for some build help ?
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12:19.33Nebu1aAnyone .. ?
12:22.53Nebu1a ?
12:28.29sancusdont play that class sorry!
12:28.52Nebu1ano probs,
12:29.45sacarascwhat? everyone in the world is a rogue...
12:29.50sacarascor a druid
12:30.04sacarascat least it seems like that whenever i have PvP on and leave a city
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13:03.52[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Breakfast Topic: When they are not prepared -
13:16.22[Liquidor]Someone tell me your realm and name (US)
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13:16.47[Liquidor]You gotta have a set piece on.
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15:03.55[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Around Azeroth: Healing Nightbane -
15:15.05[Liquidor]Anyone know of an item having Unique-Equippable?
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17:03.55[NewsBot]WoW Insider: WoW Moviewatch: I is Legendary -
17:04.09kd3huzzah! I'm on
17:04.14kd3time to start spamming wowwiki with quests
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17:06.49Polarina"The friends list now has a notes field per friend. Click on the note icon to add a note for a particular friend." :D
17:11.46PhotoJimNow I just need some friends. :)
17:11.52foxlitI wonder
17:11.58foxlitServer-side storage of arbitrary strings?
17:12.10foxlitwowp2p, here we come!
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17:19.29Fisker-kd3 i won the game
17:19.30Fisker-I WON IT
17:21.59Polarinafoxlit: lol
17:22.17Polarina - Woth...
17:22.26PolarinaWrong channel.
17:26.45Kirkburn_Fisker-, so we were right about M'uru moving :P
17:35.55[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Leatherworking loot, too! -
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17:42.12Fisker-yeah Kirkburn_
17:42.14Fisker-and as i said
17:42.17Fisker-m'uru played along
17:42.24Fisker-and m'uru itself is not dependant on the power
17:43.00foxlitkd3: int/spi/regen data would be nice :)
17:43.08Fisker-it's fail
17:43.29Fisker-overpowered bs
17:44.01Kirkburn_Fisker-, oooooh
17:44.13Kirkburn_I like it
17:44.19kd3numbers atm: 515 int (161+354). Mana +7445, crit + 7.35%. spirit 250 (145+105). +14 hp/1 while not in combat, 264 mp/5
17:44.21Fisker-the regen?
17:44.25Fisker-i haet j00
17:44.27Kirkburn_No, the story progression
17:44.33Fisker-yeah of course
17:44.44foxlitkd3: if you could equip/unequip data to vary that a bit
17:44.50Fisker-but i haet teh spirit changes
17:44.55Fisker-another nail in the coffin :<
17:45.06Kirkburn_also, wow, lots of mana
17:45.20foxlitand put them up somewhere like Talk:Spirit, I could do some math
17:45.26kd3same numbers: 476, 161, 315, 6860, 6.86% 230, 145, 85, 13, 234
17:46.10kd3and one more datapoint: 432, 161, 271, 6200, 6.31%, 190, 145, 45, 11, 184
17:46.40foxlitWhen you say mp5
17:47.11foxlitYou mean mp5 provided by Spirit (and not gear) while not casting?
17:47.33Fisker-boost for both
17:47.41Fisker-atleast when you are a DRUID OR PRIEST SARAHSGAHR"#%
17:50.30kd3yes. I have no mp5 on my gear
17:51.34foxlitkd3: class?
17:51.58foxlitand level is 70?
17:56.13kd3oh, wow. we get the FP by default for free
17:57.39Kirkburn_Restarting brb
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18:01.21Dotted[08:59:58] [@Sky2042]: Dotted, you traitor. <- what did the idiot mean by qsaying that?`
18:06.14Fisker-no u
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18:13.32DottedFU [NewsBot]
18:15.13kd3whee, outland crashed
18:15.33Fisker-your mother :D
18:17.57Dottedhowcome [NewsBot] always crashes just as i get home Fisker-?
18:18.08Dottedi bet its because of winblowz ass
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18:23.12Gourra|away!editcount Gourra
18:23.46FoxbotGourra made 3856 edits, of which 1049 were minor and 1273 were commented.
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18:28.52foxlitpsst {{User Editcount}}
18:29.08foxlitMeasures your epeen easily!
18:30.40Dotted{{User Editcount}}
18:30.40[NewsBot]Dotted meant:
18:35.28Gourrahow does it work?
18:36.02Gourrait doesn't show it automatically, right?
18:37.50kd3have fun, foxbot:
18:38.06Fisker-kd3 :(
18:38.09Fisker-i want characters :(
18:40.26[NewsBot]WoW Insider: 8-Piece Sets Return With Patch 2.4 (kind of...) -
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18:47.23foxlitkd3: armory yet?
18:47.38kd3no  way in hell. ptr stuff won't show up until this goes live
18:48.52foxlitnot for a while then P
18:49.03foxlitAs long as it filters 2.4 tags properly, I'm safe :P
19:04.12sacarascjust did Attunemen the Huntsman for the first time
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19:11.50Fisker-oh no you didn't
19:15.10twsXSomeone here very savvy with X-Perl?
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19:27.22Fisker-take that
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19:36.28KirkburnEvening all
19:43.27Fisker-i need PTR's :(
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19:45.39Fisker-slowinsider and so forth
19:45.49Fisker-btw |Pixel| you have any idea of what the problem with the eu characters are? .o
19:46.12Fisker-Are Bibi and me screwed for not heading your warnings? :O
19:48.29|Pixel|what problems ?
19:48.47Fisker-Some people are saying that copies are being randomly assigned to random accounts :o
19:48.57|Pixel|ha ha ha ha ha
19:49.01|Pixel|the ptr copies ?
19:49.14Fisker-and mine are "successful" and haven't shown up yet :(
19:49.16|Pixel|doesn't surprise me a single atom
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20:05.01Sky2042kd3: can you help me get links and such to "Magister's Terrace" fixed to "Magisters' Terrace"? Or too busy over there
20:05.40Dotted[08:59:58] [@Sky2042]: Dotted, you traitor. <- what did the idiot mean by qsaying that?`
20:05.52Sky2042Dotted: link to WOWDB searches
20:06.10Dottedim a curse mod, so
20:06.15Sky2042not my problem.
20:06.39Dottedi promised teza a long time ago
20:07.16Dottedand i couldnt change it back then since it hasdnt launched yet
20:07.17Miyarigotta keep your word :)
20:07.22Sky2042why not make a search for both? !whsearch and !dbsearch
20:07.28Sky2042or something like that...
20:07.41Dottedi have my priorities
20:08.43Miyarii have cookies
20:08.43[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Blizzard cinematic artists nominated for VES awards -
20:08.43Dottedbut as the headline says
20:08.43Dotted" To do, but will probably never happen because i slack too much"
20:08.43Dottedetc etc
20:08.45Sky2042this is troo
20:09.39Dottedactually i promised teza wowhead search an even longer time ago
20:09.51Dottedbut havent made any progress :P
20:11.29[NewsBot]The job queue length is currently 8 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 8secs.
20:13.36Fisker-i haet j00
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20:14.03sacarascMoroes done too \o/
20:16.10kd3that should be most of them. the template references should be all fixed. just waiting on the jobqueue to catch up
20:18.01Sky2042Kirkburn: granted.
20:19.47Sky2042(my talk page)
20:20.24Kirkburnuh, k
20:28.08Kirkburnkd3, what's the PTR version?
20:29.04kd3going back to questing now
20:29.41Sky2042thanks kd3
20:29.44KirkburnDo we have a patch name?
20:30.02kd3not afaik
20:30.43kd3ah, hell
20:30.47kd3world server just went splat
20:32.26[NewsBot]WoW Insider: A small defense skill change in 2.4 could herald larger things -
20:33.47Sky2042they better not change the name back.
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20:40.11Fisker-you wouldn't steal a car Kirkburn
20:41.12Dottedbut i'd copy it Fisker-
20:41.48Fisker-definitely :O
20:45.23foxlityou wouldn't kill a policeman
20:45.26foxlitand steal his helmet
20:47.03Fisker-and go to the toilet in it
20:48.23[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Sunmotes confirmed a raid drop -
20:56.59PanSolareminder chat at #wikia-gaming in 4 min
21:03.33Sky2042Kirkburn: meeting's started
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21:17.22Sky2042starting to look pretty sexy.
21:17.40Sky2042quartz 3 might by worth switching to.
21:17.58Sky2042left side bar is /still/ a little too big, but livable now.
21:18.37Sky2042the halo fans thing is a little silly.
21:19.40Sky2042it's the wikia-gaming chat atm, and i don't want to bog down the channel with a side comment ;P
21:21.09pcjWhoa, unclickable ads
21:27.37pcjthat's a big main page
21:27.47Sky2042pcj: sure.
21:30.09[NewsBot]WoW Insider: How to get to Sunwell Isle on your level 1 noob -
21:32.56KirkburnSky2042, that's not the final version anyway
21:33.09Sky2042it's still starting to look good :P
21:33.47KirkburnIndeed, I think that's a separate v3 to what we'll get (but the idea is indeed similar)
21:39.18Sky2042new friends request on myspace???
21:39.30Sky2042spam -_-
21:45.25KirkburnI personally think the community stuff is cool
21:45.48Sky2042I'm neutral to its addition.
21:46.06[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Spiritual Guidance: Holyform and lesser Holy talents -
21:46.27KirkburnGiven our community it a bit more mature than Halopedia, I think it would work better for us too
21:47.34Sky2042Kirkburn: I'm hesitant to agree with either of those statements.
21:47.49MiyariSky2042: Are you free to chat real quick?
21:47.51pcjI'd personally like to see Quartz demoed on a wiki with a bit better main page formatting, even something like wowwiki
21:48.18KirkburnI shoud, mention, v3 doesn't have a codename, v2 was Quartz :P
21:48.39Kirkburnwoah, grammar
21:49.27KirkburnSky2042, the former is absolutely true :P
21:49.44KirkburnNot talking about the WoW community too, the WoWWiki community :P
21:50.04Sky2042Kirkburn: you never know. you just never know.
21:50.16KirkburnSpeak for yourself :)
21:50.31Sky2042He did.
21:54.23Fisker-MASSIVE LOL
21:54.41Fisker-The most compelling explanation I've seen is that Blizzard is distributing some of the Wrath patch files early, to lessen the initial download, and this is going to be the new 51-point Holy talent. Please let that be it.
21:55.06Fisker-that's a WHOPPING 600 bytes saved if it's uncompressed!
21:55.37sancusLOL what the fuck?
21:55.43sancusCircle of Healing is legendarily bad now?
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22:03.13Kalrothsancus: People are dumb :p
22:10.09[NewsBot]WoW Insider: New fire animation in 2.4 -
22:10.51Fisker-new fire animation lol
22:10.56Fisker-it's the same one they use in ZA
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22:14.42Pzykhmm, is bibi here?
22:18.00Sky2042you can kill magistrate barthilas in either scarlet or in undead, right?
22:18.19Pzykhe's in UD
22:18.46Sky2042technically. but you kill him going scarlet too, usually.
22:18.57Pzykerr you mean front entrance?
22:19.28pcjwhy would you go that way for scarlet
22:19.39Sky2042you don't. he moves depending on which entrance you go into.
22:19.44Sky2042oh, wait.
22:19.49Sky2042ok, i remember how it works.
22:21.43Sky2042pcj: can you go about cleaning up links to {{Hunter Aspects Horizontal}} to {{hunter aspects}}? I'll move it, but not until it's ready to be moved.
22:24.04kd3oh wow. sweet.
22:24.12kd3the "Shattered Sun Supplies" contained a badge of justice
22:25.51Pzykany sign of how much the new badge loots will cost?
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22:34.06[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Patch 2.4 known issues -
22:34.33[NewsBot]Dark Legacy: #129:Keydar Isn't Punny -
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23:06.06[NewsBot]WoW Insider: Open fire! PTR 2.4 battleground changes -
23:27.10kd3ah, those bastards! a gathering collection quest. bah
23:33.31kd3check RC. last quest I added
23:35.43Kirkburn|afkDef gonna have to check your user contribs log later :P
23:36.13Kirkburn|afkYou rival Varg and Baggins in content-style additions :)
23:38.06[NewsBot]WoW Insider: WoW at Circuit City -
23:41.15foxlit!item [standbox] Nordrassil Regalia
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23:41.25foxlit!item [standbox] Nordrassil Wrath-Pants
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23:41.34Sky2042standbox eh?
23:42.03foxlitwowhead is imba!
23:42.44foxlit!item [sandbox] Nordrassil Chestpiece
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23:43.22foxlitGood, actually keeps the wiki session
23:50.33[NewsBot]BlizzPlanet: Patch 2.4 PTR - Introduces Dungeon Cinematic Cutscenes -
23:52.13Sky2042oh, wow
23:52.17Sky2042twist with the blood knights

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