00:00.57 | sacarasc | hmmm... Maggoc :| |
00:01.33 | sacarasc | got thrown by that gnome device thing right at him |
00:01.34 | sacarasc | \o/ |
00:16.24 | Sky2042 | Zeal: still working on the cat tree? |
00:22.36 | sacarasc | cat tree? ;o |
00:22.57 | Zeal | aye |
00:23.08 | Zeal | not going too deep |
00:23.20 | Zeal | but almost done, leaving WoWWiki cat alone for now. |
00:23.24 | Zeal | and image stuff. |
00:27.03 | Zeal | Sky, take al ook now, should be mostly complete |
00:27.31 | Zeal | gunna post al ink to it in the discussion on VP, can leave feedback there it's very rough keep in mind. |
00:29.24 | Sky2042 | Biggest issues I have is that the whole thing has capitalized categories. |
00:29.26 | Sky2042 | :P |
00:29.40 | Sky2042 | You really /didn't/ go into detail though... |
00:30.19 | Sky2042 | Don't know that we need both a flora nad a fauna category. |
00:30.21 | Sky2042 | :/ |
00:31.20 | Sky2042 | having parantheses in the middle of certain cats looks annoying... |
00:31.54 | Sky2042 | probably shouldn't use abbreviations if at all possible (eg, Warcraft I units as opposed to WC1 units) |
00:32.41 | Sky2042 | I don't know why mobs and npcs and etc are subcats of "Geography". makes no sense. |
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00:34.41 | Sky2042 | hmm |
00:34.43 | Sky2042 | wonder where my retainer went |
00:34.48 | Sky2042 | ah |
00:35.12 | Zeal | geography is the study of the world, it's people, it's culture, it's practices etc. |
00:35.34 | Sky2042 | true. but most people think of geography simply as where someone is. |
00:35.45 | Sky2042 | based on surrounding land. |
00:35.52 | Sky2042 | landforms* |
00:35.53 | Zeal | it's not just limited to study of the earth :p. And jsut so you know, that's how most of the wow content is categorized |
00:36.13 | Zeal | so clearly people though otherwise and no one thought it needed to be changed. |
00:36.24 | Zeal | and when i say most, i do mean most. |
00:36.31 | Zeal | 80% of it? lol |
00:36.57 | Zeal | fauna is for creatures and such |
00:37.16 | Zeal | flora is soemthing we lack on really, but would be great to see added. |
00:37.35 | Zeal | especially as a lore entry point for herbs and such. |
00:37.52 | Zeal | as to names, sure. i'll lower |
00:38.07 | Zeal | and the abberviations was me being lazy really |
00:38.10 | Zeal | will fix. |
00:38.28 | Sky2042 | I'd personally go with [[Category:Nature]] or leave it to [[Category:Creatures]] and [[Category:Plants]], etc |
00:40.45 | Zeal | well being lore, i would like to think people aren't stupid, so will understand geography, flora and fauna :p |
00:41.01 | Sky2042 | but they won't. |
00:41.08 | Zeal | they will ;) |
00:41.10 | Sky2042 | the masses are stupid. |
00:41.13 | Sky2042 | that's just how it is. |
00:41.27 | Adys | expert talks |
00:41.33 | Adys | :P |
00:42.00 | Zeal | the masses don't care about the lore. and the masses of people who do care about lore, don't deserve to learn if they don't know the meaning of those words :P |
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00:42.35 | foxlit | I demand more Outlands content, 'kay?! |
00:42.37 | Sky2042 | And besides. No-one uses flora and fauna in normal every day usage, last I checked. You'll hear it occassionally.... |
00:42.39 | Sky2042 | foxlit: no. |
00:42.41 | Zeal | bah, lowering case will take a bit more time, i can't pull regex's out of my ass :/ |
00:42.52 | Sky2042 | I can run through and replace prolly. |
00:42.54 | Zeal | lol |
00:43.04 | Zeal | sure, go for it. |
00:43.50 | Sky2042 | what am I replacing? |
00:43.51 | Sky2042 | ah |
00:43.58 | Sky2042 | heh |
00:44.07 | Zeal | just keep in mind, actual game titles should be kept as capitals. like product titles etc. |
00:44.07 | Sky2042 | maybe not on that one |
00:44.11 | Sky2042 | yes |
00:44.17 | Sky2042 | because they're proper nouns. :P |
00:44.32 | Zeal | yuup |
00:45.06 | Zeal | i capitalize because i think the title of an article should be title case, simple as that. |
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00:52.24 | pcj | yeah but wikis are different because you link to pages in the middle of sentences |
00:52.40 | pcj | since title case usually isn't appropriate there it's better to make the page names sentence case |
00:53.39 | Sky2042 | o_o |
00:53.43 | Zeal | most cases you're talking about are proper nouns though |
00:54.22 | Zeal | refering to an original article though, because of it being an original body of work, using title case is correct. |
00:54.47 | Zeal | very few cases you would have a link on WW not in title case |
00:54.48 | Zeal | but meh. |
00:55.01 | Zeal | doen yet Sky2042? :P |
00:55.06 | Zeal | got another edit to make. |
00:55.10 | Sky2042 | I have yet to touch it |
00:55.12 | Sky2042 | make your edit. |
01:01.17 | Sky2042 | Zeal: where would you place MVPs? |
01:01.23 | Sky2042 | forum mvps* |
01:01.35 | kd3 | community |
01:02.05 | Sky2042 | assumed, but as a subcat? |
01:02.52 | Zeal | not placed yet, will do now if you wish. |
01:04.06 | Sky2042 | you know, what I'd like to see is a giant category map... not one that we want, just as it stands. |
01:04.09 | Sky2042 | xD |
01:05.35 | Sky2042 | might need an additional cat |
01:05.43 | Sky2042 | Cat:Forums or some such |
01:09.15 | Zeal | there, added. 3 entry points to such articles. think after fleshing it out, more likely end up at 4-5 entry points to them. |
01:10.11 | Zeal | 3 direct, 4 inc indirect |
01:11.02 | Zeal | and yeah, and existing map would be lol |
01:11.20 | Zeal | the lroe cat is pretty overloaded, first thing i noticed. |
01:11.23 | Zeal | *lore |
01:11.37 | Sky2042 | would have to do it in an image editing program. |
01:12.01 | Sky2042 | the what?... |
01:12.13 | Zeal | well if we had the cat tree extenstion installed, we could see it easily. |
01:12.24 | Sky2042 | aye |
01:12.29 | Sky2042 | and yes, the Lore cat is just a mess. |
01:12.38 | Sky2042 | double-catting, mostly. |
01:12.46 | Zeal | yuup |
01:13.56 | Sky2042 | Like Bindings of the Windseeker... Why is it in Lore again? |
01:14.19 | Zeal | rofl |
01:14.34 | Zeal | well bascially it seems anything that contained a bit of story got added to the cat |
01:14.43 | Sky2042 | yeah.. |
01:14.52 | Zeal | which is not what it's for, it's for articles solely about the lore :P |
01:14.58 | Zeal | and cats ofc. |
01:14.59 | Sky2042 | I look forward to getting rid of the category "Lore characters"... -_- |
01:15.11 | Zeal | well i want that as jsut characters. |
01:15.13 | Sky2042 | would be nice to just have categories based on appearances. |
01:15.33 | Zeal | oh, we have the characters cat, woot. |
01:15.43 | Sky2042 | eg "Rise of the Horde characters", "Magic and Mayhem characters", etc |
01:16.15 | Zeal | well that's what my idea for cats was supposed to address |
01:16.26 | Sky2042 | ? |
01:16.27 | Zeal | but we know where that went :P |
01:17.23 | Zeal | http://www.wowwiki.com/User:Zeal/Proposals/Format#Categories |
01:18.46 | Sky2042 | the way you tried to implement it is what failed |
01:18.57 | Sky2042 | but no matter. |
01:19.15 | Zeal | which aspect? the naming? |
01:19.34 | Sky2042 | aye |
01:19.42 | Zeal | the naming was mainly to reduce the bloating of cat names |
01:19.48 | Sky2042 | ? |
01:19.51 | Sky2042 | how so? |
01:19.52 | Zeal | while providing no fonclit |
01:20.43 | Sky2042 | !jobqueue |
01:20.44 | [NewsBot] | The www.wowwiki.com job queue length is currently 20 doing ~1 job/s, done in approx. 20secs. |
01:20.50 | Sky2042 | pretty short. |
01:20.57 | Zeal | ignore that actially |
01:20.58 | Zeal | meh |
01:20.59 | Sky2042 | time to edit tooltip again, I think |
01:21.01 | Sky2042 | =] |
01:23.14 | Zeal | i'd just hate to see soemthing like Onyxia's loot vs. NPC:Onyxia/Items. the former breaks out of the context of wow and what the article's subject was, for anyone who doesn't know what an "Onyxia" is :p |
01:25.02 | Sky2042 | .... |
01:25.04 | Sky2042 | you mean like |
01:25.11 | Sky2042 | [[Category:Blackrock Depths items]]? |
01:25.11 | [NewsBot] | Sky2042 meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/Category:Blackrock_Depths_items |
01:25.14 | Sky2042 | :o |
01:25.44 | Sky2042 | or by actually using the name of Onyxia? |
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01:26.55 | Sky2042 | lol |
01:26.57 | Sky2042 | owned by pcj |
01:27.19 | Sky2042 | In Soviet Russia, American spelling owns you! |
01:30.11 | Zeal | Yeah, i'd rather see [[Category:Zone:Blackrock Depths/Items]], shows that it's a zone in WoW, and that the relationship is that these are WoW items located in that zone. The other could easily be Blackrock Depths items article name, or a website called that with items created by that site, or simply Blackrock Depths items, eg. a non-set grouping of items. |
01:31.19 | Sky2042 | you would... oh well. |
01:31.37 | Zeal | that's also asuming that the Item: namespace exists. if it doesn't, then it doesn't work as such a cat name wouldn't be obvious to a user as being WoW items (hence i wouldn't allow it) |
01:31.43 | Zeal | lol |
01:32.27 | Sky2042 | pcj is having fun with your request for feedback on vp :P |
01:33.09 | Zeal | i noticed. typos ftl. and lol @ rumors |
01:33.55 | Zeal | and sticking with Manwha. pissed off Tokyo pop market their stuff as Manga, just for the sake of it. all their original english language stuff is Manwha, korean. |
01:34.20 | pcj | *Manhwa |
01:34.24 | Zeal | yeah i know.. |
01:34.42 | Zeal | that's further loz : / |
01:34.53 | Zeal | i bet i typed it all wrong in the articles too. |
01:35.04 | pcj | i think that should be up for debate, not per your personal preference |
01:35.16 | pcj | afaik the wow comics are marketed as manga too |
01:35.34 | Zeal | huh? |
01:35.37 | Zeal | they're not |
01:35.49 | Zeal | they're marketed as comics, pure and simple. |
01:35.59 | pcj | hmm ok |
01:36.59 | Adys | lmao |
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01:39.42 | Zeal | Manga requires an japanese artist, but TokyoPop use it as a buzz word to market all their asian style drawn comics. : / The wow "manga" are all drawn by a Korean artist, making them manhwa. They're also original english manhwa (OEM, also for manga), simply meaning they were originally written in english. Wikipedia have them listed as manhwa too for reference. |
01:41.23 | MentalPower | is there really a difference tho? |
01:41.38 | Zeal | MOBs is actually an abbreviations btw. Speculation and terminology spelt correctly too : / |
01:41.50 | MentalPower | a surrealist piece is surrealist whether the artist is french, canadian, chinese or martian |
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01:42.21 | Zeal | Different art styles and origrin of artist is the only difference. Same can also be said about comic vs. manga. |
01:42.51 | Zeal | MentalPower, you're using a generic term as an example |
01:43.43 | MentalPower | s/surrealist/impressionist/ |
01:43.53 | Zeal | Atm, it's like calling said piece a canadian surrealist piece when it's french. |
01:44.19 | MentalPower | but theres no such thing as a canadian surrealist |
01:44.19 | Keolah | Oh, this is classic. |
01:44.25 | MentalPower | or a french surrealist |
01:44.32 | MentalPower | its surrealist period |
01:44.44 | Zeal | in which case your example has no relevance :p |
01:44.45 | Keolah | RFC with a mage, pally, an hunter... and mage is having to tell the other two how to do their roles ;p |
01:44.45 | MentalPower | the native country of the artist has nothing to do with it |
01:44.50 | Adys | MentalPower: to your question |
01:44.53 | Adys | there is a difference |
01:45.12 | Adys | if you want more details you'll have to accept what zeal tells you |
01:45.24 | Adys | if not, we'll stay at "there is a difference" |
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01:46.11 | MentalPower | erm... |
01:46.28 | MentalPower | how about you just present your evidence and I can refute or accept it |
01:46.41 | Adys | as i said |
01:46.45 | Adys | its what zeal said |
01:46.55 | Adys | different style :/ |
01:47.31 | Adys | theres no specific term for the kind of comic the wow comics are because its not as different and widespread as mangas |
01:48.18 | MentalPower | can you give me an example of the two styles? (Manga vs. Manhwa) |
01:48.29 | Zeal | there'd be no argument if TokyoPop called them comics, as it's just an issue with accuracy, which can be overlooked. but when claiming something is drawn by a japanese artist in an japanese style when it's drawn by a korean artist in a korean style is a glaring issue. |
01:49.20 | Zeal | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manwha#Manhwa_style |
01:49.23 | Zeal | all there for you. |
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02:12.21 | MentalPower | the best comparison that I've found so far is in the last post of this forum thread: http://the-evil-empire.net/index.php?showtopic=3086 |
02:12.29 | MentalPower | would that be an accurate assessment? |
02:12.40 | MentalPower | Zeal, Adys: ^^^^ |
02:13.29 | Zeal | last post of the topic or last post of the page of the topic? :P |
02:13.46 | MentalPower | page |
02:14.16 | MentalPower | (just realized there was more than one page) |
02:14.30 | Zeal | yeah, roughly what i noticed about the wow ones |
02:14.41 | Zeal | they are like that, which is nothing like any manga i've read. |
02:15.13 | MentalPower | so they are more detailed than mangas |
02:16.06 | Zeal | remind me slightly of some english comics i've seen, alot mroe detailed and grittier than manga, but more of an asian influence than american comics. |
02:17.29 | MentalPower | fair enough then |
02:17.34 | MentalPower | I concede the point |
02:17.49 | Zeal | based on that post, that's probably why i disliked thme so much, i felt they jumped around a bit too much, but i had always put that down to Knaak's crap writing. |
02:17.53 | Zeal | hehe |
02:18.08 | Sky2042 | Zeal: I oppose the change of cat:spells' category to geography. |
02:18.37 | Zeal | sky, question first. How are you viewing the purpose of the cat. For wow, or for lore? |
02:19.44 | Zeal | it's being used for both atm. and i intend to use it for lore only. So i'm doing it from a lore view, avoiding a required knowledge of wow's mechanics and terminology. |
02:20.18 | Sky2042 | wow. |
02:20.19 | Zeal | and fyi, even as use for wow, it was wrong. Spells are the correct term for them all, abilities is a fan-term to describe the non-magic ones. |
02:20.21 | Sky2042 | WoW |
02:20.39 | MentalPower | Zeal: the rest of that tread is also insightful |
02:20.43 | Sky2042 | questionably. |
02:20.56 | Zeal | i'm reading ti when i get a chance MentalPower :p |
02:21.21 | Sky2042 | and how is it being used for both? :/ |
02:22.05 | Zeal | sky, in the game, they are Spells, both in the db and in the front end. But someone got the crazy idea to start using Spells to be the opposite of abilities, and the cat ended up inside the abilities cat, contradciting ww's definition even further. |
02:22.19 | Zeal | because any lore spells would have been in there afaik |
02:22.52 | Zeal | pretty much all this generic cats are being used for more than wow, but following wow's rules. |
02:28.18 | Sky2042 | What's wrong with following WoW's rules again? |
02:28.21 | Zeal | anyways, current plan. reoganise existing category names into proposed structure, then go through them and split off into new cats and create the new structure. |
02:28.37 | Sky2042 | and hold up. let people come to discuss first. |
02:29.18 | Zeal | because it's not wow information, it's lore. People shouldn't need to have a knowledge of WoW's game terminology or mechanics to browse and find lore. |
02:29.37 | Sky2042 | give me an example of lore. you still haven't done that. |
02:29.53 | Sky2042 | where it isn't being used in the WoW sense |
02:29.59 | Sky2042 | <PROTECTED> |
02:30.26 | Zeal | for Spells? Er.. the one in RotH, where they age the orcs through warlock magic. |
02:30.29 | Zeal | ofc it doesn't exist |
02:30.34 | Zeal | because no one has made it |
02:30.36 | Sky2042 | yes it does |
02:30.37 | Sky2042 | sigh |
02:30.44 | Sky2042 | We call it in wow "Life Drain" |
02:30.44 | Zeal | there's tons form the RPG though, which no one has ever added |
02:30.54 | Zeal | no, that's speculation |
02:31.09 | Zeal | and clearly marked as such in the articles relating to it. |
02:32.26 | Zeal | all articles in spells will still existing there btw, jsut so you know. it's supposed to be all encompassing, from game-neutral viewpoint. |
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02:33.23 | Zeal | so you'll see the spells there, and the WoW Spells cat for example, would be a subcat of it, so you can get to the specific ones you want. |
02:33.46 | Zeal | i've not listed that on the structure atm, because i can only write so much :p |
02:34.18 | kd3 | whee, I'm glad I fixed the guild article boilerplate |
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02:47.14 | Sky2042_ | and, zeal, you do realize only single catting is plain stupid? |
02:47.30 | Zeal | no, it's not. it's very important. |
02:47.40 | Zeal | shouldn't be double catting unless there's a need to do so |
02:47.49 | Zeal | it's the reason why lore is a complete mess. |
02:48.22 | Zeal | *part of the reason |
02:48.37 | Sky2042_ | well, i mean, eg, [[Cat:Fel Horde]] being in [[Cat:Horde]] as well as [[Cat:Factions]] |
02:49.07 | Zeal | it's got nothing to do with [[Cat:Horde]] as a faction. it's a seperate faction. |
02:49.52 | Zeal | any other form of link than parent<->child would have to be explained in a seperate cat or the article itself, which there is. |
02:51.56 | Sky2042 | I fear for where this is going... |
02:52.05 | Sky2042 | Placing items in lore makes no sense |
02:52.11 | Sky2042 | just... doesn't. |
02:52.38 | Zeal | it makes sense for items as i explained for spells |
02:52.51 | Zeal | just now wow item's themselves in a gameplay context |
02:52.53 | Sky2042 | but everything in cat:items /is/ a wow item |
02:53.04 | Zeal | that's why you'll seem them also seperate and in both cats. |
02:53.07 | Zeal | for now |
02:53.56 | Zeal | as i said, moving the existing structure into place, then moving cat contents to correct cats and creating new cats as needed for the rest of it. |
02:54.30 | Zeal | otherwise i'll end up doubling up on cats as i'm moving stuff between them. |
02:54.48 | Zeal | hm.. languages, didn't think of that one. :) |
02:55.55 | Zeal | btw, i'm going back to plants and creatures ;) |
02:56.44 | Sky2042 | Oh good |
02:57.25 | Sky2042 | anyway, I disagree with the premise that multiple cats per category is a bad idea, on that having multiple cats per category aids in navigating to related items. |
02:57.48 | Zeal | in related, yes. |
02:58.51 | Sky2042 | so then, as an example, how would you cat Cat:Blackrock Depths NPCs? We've just redone all such categories into double catting; Cat:BRD and Cat:NPCs by zone. |
02:59.04 | Zeal | but when there's distant relations, there's no good reason, and it confuses the user and you loose people in the navigation. keeping some concept of flow ensures they end up where they wanted to be rather than going round in circles for a while. |
02:59.21 | Sky2042 | granted. |
02:59.22 | Zeal | hm? |
02:59.37 | Sky2042 | how would you cat that? 2 parent's? or only 1? |
03:00.23 | Zeal | soemthing like wow npcs, and brd. it's a good candidate for it. |
03:00.32 | Sky2042 | well, good. |
03:00.38 | Sky2042 | close enough for the purpose. |
03:00.42 | Sky2042 | :P |
03:01.03 | Sky2042 | will be back later, though you might be going to bed by then. |
03:01.11 | Sky2042 | unless you pulled an allnighter... |
03:01.30 | Zeal | just want to see it cut down, so we don't have things such as the lroe cat on every cat that's in it's tree. |
03:01.43 | Zeal | i really shouldn't pull one : / |
03:02.02 | Zeal | but i'll probably have to face people's wrath tomorrow if alot of things aren't moved. |
03:02.47 | Sky2042_afk | youll end up facing them anyway, i think |
03:02.56 | Sky2042_afk | ok, that's it. going now. gf will beat me |
03:13.06 | sacarasc | eu armory broken for anyone else? |
03:15.49 | Keolah | heh heh |
03:15.51 | Keolah | We failed to do RFC :P |
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03:16.08 | Zeal | broken how? |
03:16.18 | Keolah | We suck. Hehe. |
03:16.21 | Zeal | lol |
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03:16.46 | FergatROn | hi all |
03:16.50 | pcj | hi |
03:17.22 | Zeal | hey |
03:17.38 | FergatROn | any activity in here? I'm new to IRCs. |
03:17.50 | pcj | not really |
03:17.52 | FergatROn | can't get enough of WoW though. |
03:17.57 | Keolah | Define "activity". |
03:18.03 | pcj | but if you have a question we might be able to help you |
03:18.24 | Keolah | I was just bemoaning how me and my friends failed to do RFC, is that activity enough? Heh. |
03:18.44 | FergatROn | haha, maybe if I knew what RFC is. |
03:18.49 | Keolah | Ragefire Chasm? |
03:19.27 | Keolah | Well, hey, we only wiped 8 times! |
03:19.42 | FergatROn | gottcha. I'm still new to dungeons. I'm on an RP server and I'm trying to get to 40 for a mount. Tired of walking. |
03:20.12 | Keolah | I'd never really done one before myself ;p |
03:20.52 | FergatROn | RP? |
03:21.43 | Keolah | Dungeons ;p |
03:22.24 | FergatROn | ah, :o |
03:22.37 | FergatROn | The only one i've done is Deadmines. |
03:23.01 | FergatROn | it's actually really fun (oh and stockade) - but very chaotic and the mobs just won't die! |
03:23.10 | FergatROn | they're all ellite, I thinkg. |
03:23.42 | Keolah | Yes, most of the mobs in dungeons do tend to be elite ;p |
03:24.03 | Keolah | And it's not really that chaotic if you have half a clue what you're doing. |
03:24.26 | FergatROn | I listened to the Elune's Grace podcast and that's all they talk about is their dungeons... |
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04:20.01 | Zeal | nn all |
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05:51.46 | kd3 | wiki just break for anyone else? |
05:51.51 | kd3 | missing some CSS |
05:55.01 | kd3 | and I <3 being friendly with GMs on the customer service forum |
05:55.06 | kd3 | just got quest text that doesn't appear to be anywhere else on the next |
05:58.51 | Adys | kd3: link? |
05:59.00 | kd3 | http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=4064461083&postId=41178026078&sid=1#141 |
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06:20.08 | Keolah | "How did RFC go?" my bf asks me... I laugh. |
06:55.34 | krag0th|Mac | "We wiped at the outdoor trash" would have been a good reply :P |
07:14.42 | Keolah | Hey, we only wiped 8 times before giving up! |
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08:21.46 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Blackrock_Depths#Bosses possible template overload? |
08:23.02 | kd3 | way, way too much. the bosses should have their own loot page, and perhaps there should be a /separate/ page much like [[Blackwing Lair loot]] |
08:23.08 | kd3 | using a straight list, no template calls |
08:23.38 | kd3 | but whee for breaking mw with too many template calls on a page |
08:23.57 | Niat | g'morning everyone. |
08:24.15 | kd3 | s/no template calls/no complex (read: {{item}}/{{tooltip}}) calls/ |
08:24.22 | kd3 | ohayo |
08:24.29 | Gourra | god morgon |
08:25.46 | Gourra | under "Loot" make it "See [[Blackrock Depths loot]]? |
08:25.50 | kd3 | the {{brd}} nav template needs to die a horrible death too |
08:25.53 | kd3 | ya |
08:26.15 | Gourra | ok |
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08:28.49 | Gourra | *grumble* I made the loot page in "Loot" instead of "loot" |
08:29.09 | kd3 | no worries |
08:30.01 | Gourra | http://www.wowwiki.com/Blackrock_Depths_loot great |
08:30.06 | Gourra | template overload |
08:30.11 | Gourra | skip {{lootbox}}? |
08:30.27 | kd3 | ya. take a look at a raid loot page |
08:30.54 | kd3 | http://www.wowwiki.com/Blackwing_Lair_loot |
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08:32.24 | Gourra | or http://www.wowwiki.com/Black_Temple_Loot |
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08:43.40 | renth | hey |
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09:46.18 | Fisker- | also all that CP kd3 |
09:46.34 | kd3 | hm? |
09:46.56 | Fisker- | oh wait |
09:47.04 | Fisker- | i obvious trolled the wrong channel |
09:47.30 | Fisker- | Thought it was #wowi-lounge |
09:54.48 | osmodiar | per day over what timeframe? |
09:55.25 | kd3 | you'll have to ask kirkburn when he gets back on. it's been a few weeks now iirc |
09:55.28 | Fisker- | isn't a day 24 hours? |
09:55.49 | osmodiar | but per day implies that it's an average over multiple days |
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11:48.39 | tanka | getting really low fps with intel graphics.. can anyone help pliz? |
11:49.09 | tanka | running ubuntu gutsy |
12:18.48 | Gourra | oh great, there's a conflict between the item names of boots (and possibly more) of the pvp sets.. same name, different levels |
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13:30.19 | Gourra | more netsplits? |
13:31.28 | osmodiar | [13:45:48] -christel- [Global Notice] Hi all! Just to let you know that there is scheduled maintenance taking place tomorrow; Monday 21st between 1200 and 1400UTC -- affected servers will be zelazny and niven and we encourage you to server hop prior to the downtime! Thank you for using freenode and have a great day! |
13:33.51 | Gourra | Time to archive the village pump? |
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14:28.31 | Windheimer | Hye! |
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14:33.52 | TigerScott-Arath | Hey |
14:34.43 | pcj | hi |
14:34.49 | Windheimer | Any news from the front? |
14:35.00 | TigerScott-Arath | Witch server do u play on? |
14:35.53 | Windheimer | I? Well, Earthern Ring actually. |
14:36.10 | TigerScott-Arath | Okay i play on Arathor :D |
14:36.14 | TigerScott-Arath | LVL 70? |
14:36.28 | Windheimer | Yes, I am. |
14:36.43 | TigerScott-Arath | Ok, im lvl 48 |
14:36.50 | TigerScott-Arath | my first Char... |
14:37.13 | Windheimer | I see ;) |
14:37.31 | TigerScott-Arath | hihi |
14:37.37 | Windheimer | Anyway, how is Kirkburn? |
14:37.57 | TigerScott-Arath | Kirkburn? |
14:38.26 | Windheimer | The lead admin? |
14:39.06 | TigerScott-Arath | Im, from norway so i cant so much English |
14:39.50 | Windheimer | Really? Have you ever visited the Norwegian Wowwiki? |
14:41.50 | TigerScott-Arath | yes, but its no ppl there.. |
14:42.45 | Windheimer | There are not? Well, not in the IRC channel at this exact moment, no. |
14:43.12 | Windheimer | However, I can assure you that there are people who work hard to improve it every day. |
14:44.20 | TigerScott-Arath | hehe :D |
14:45.23 | Windheimer | Anyway, do you mind if I ask about your age? |
14:49.25 | TigerScott-Arath | yes! |
14:52.16 | Windheimer | Then I shall not. |
14:53.35 | TigerScott-Arath | Im 14 |
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15:07.14 | Zeal | hm.. me likely {{Category TOC}} |
15:07.34 | Zeal | alternatively.. the one which doesn't have the space and really exists >_>; |
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15:25.58 | Zeal | mmm.. the wow tcg playmats pwn. |
15:28.18 | Zeal | still yet to find the perfect gaming surface though. the ideazon fragmats are good rubber mats, but they don't compare to harder surface ones. my s&s steelpad has an excellent surface, but it's too light and it's underside is simply covered with random sprays of a glue gun so it shifts around all over the place. |
15:29.11 | Zeal | and icemats are a pretty nice medium, but they're mroe expensive, high risk of breaking, and make your hand cold most of the time :p |
15:30.27 | Zeal | qpads, as with all cloth pads, suck. they're surface is as good as a rubber pad, and they grip well to your desk, but they warp and bend all over the place. |
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16:07.15 | kbrosnan | what do i need to do to get my account activated? I resent an activation email and still nothing |
16:08.01 | osmodiar | i think the template for BGs is wrong... under 70s can do EotS now... |
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16:13.45 | Gourra | slowwiki |
16:16.03 | Gourra | very slowwiki |
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16:20.26 | Zeal | kbrosnan, for wowwiki? possible wikia's mail server is playing up again. how long ago did you send it? |
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16:21.41 | kbrosnan | Zeal: 10 - 15 min ago |
16:22.05 | kbrosnan | most of these email verification systems are reasonbly fast |
16:22.49 | Zeal | wait a few hours. if it's not working by then, ask someone in #wikia. it's possible that it's your mail server too, and you may be required to use a different email address. : / |
16:24.05 | kbrosnan | used my isp's email, doubt they blacklisted all of cox |
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16:27.47 | Zeal | wouldn't need to be blacklisted, just a bug. |
16:28.25 | Zeal | but a blacklist is also possible. my mail server has incorrectly been on one once, hotmail's been on many and put many people on theirs before. |
16:30.58 | Gourra | is wowwiki being DDoS'd again? :/ |
16:31.05 | Gourra | or just slow like usual |
16:31.59 | osmodiar | almost 35 requests/second could make it a little slow... |
16:32.47 | Gourra | ..35? |
16:33.27 | Gourra | oh right, 3 million/24/60/60 |
16:33.28 | osmodiar | 3000000 / 86400 = 34.72 |
16:45.16 | Zeal | erm. perfect fine for me |
16:45.26 | Gourra | yeah for the past 5 minutes or so |
16:45.42 | Zeal | and when i mean fine, i mean it's showing no sign of stress at all. and i'm running about 10 edit windows at a time |
16:45.57 | Zeal | *20 |
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16:56.15 | Dotted | !JOBQUEUE |
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17:02.03 | Zeal | i wish there was more standard templates for cating.. |
17:29.39 | Gourra | [[FLT]] always puts a smile on my face |
17:29.39 | [NewsBot] | Gourra meant: http://www.wowwiki.com/FLT |
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17:33.21 | kd3 | gah. I'm going to be turning that into a morning ritual at this rate... |
17:33.23 | Zeal | kd3, always there ready with the ban hammer :p |
17:33.29 | Zeal | lol |
17:33.30 | kd3 | log on and ban someone for DNP on the warcraft pump |
17:34.46 | winkiller | coming home from work - 8h of bugfixing, first thing to do is bugfix my irc bot |
17:34.47 | winkiller | what a life |
17:34.56 | Zeal | i gotta think of how i want to mount these playmats on my wall. don't wan't to dmg them with nails and such, tape and blue tack won't work. can only think of framing them, but that's excessive :/ |
17:35.07 | Zeal | lol winkiller |
17:36.47 | Zeal | gave up on the idea renaming guilds cat, and seeing as we have no wc3 ones, meh. |
17:36.56 | Zeal | impossible to do except via bot :/ |
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17:53.19 | Gourra | I hate {{BRD}} |
17:53.34 | Gourra | {{Blackrock Depths}} |
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18:38.32 | Zeal | about time :P |
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19:04.08 | Zeal | haha |
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19:30.40 | winkiller | it's my todo |
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19:33.09 | Zeal | "to do, but probably wil never do"? :p |
19:33.14 | Zeal | *will |
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20:52.58 | Nebu1a | hey guys im currently on skinning/leatherwork |
20:53.12 | Nebu1a | but finding that its hard to coop back money, is it worth sticking with? (lvl 23 rogue) |
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20:55.48 | Remiehdniw | Ayeh! |
20:56.34 | Nebu1a | ? |
20:57.40 | Remiehdniw | Heya! |
20:57.48 | Nebu1a | lo, |
20:58.03 | Remiehdniw | How do you do, alubeN? |
20:59.07 | Nebu1a | Anyone any comments on my leatherworking q ^ ? |
20:59.33 | Remiehdniw | Your "q^"? |
21:00.39 | Nebu1a | q = question |
21:02.10 | winkiller | Nebu1a: mining/lw - |
21:02.14 | Remiehdniw | Oh, I see. |
21:02.35 | winkiller | get to 70 and then maybe take it up again, but I would just get s1 glad stuff |
21:02.37 | Remiehdniw | I don't know what you asked about, but I would have chosen leatherworking |
21:02.50 | Remiehdniw | Mining takes much more time. |
21:02.55 | winkiller | lw sucks nowadays, hardly anythin useful |
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21:04.11 | Remiehdniw | Why, Winkiller? |
21:04.30 | Nebu1a | i keep reading leatherwork is useless, |
21:04.32 | Nebu1a | for making |
21:04.37 | winkiller | it is |
21:04.44 | winkiller | I had 370 for ages |
21:04.46 | winkiller | then 375 |
21:04.47 | Nebu1a | is it good for making things for your own char ? |
21:04.53 | winkiller | I have 0 epic patterns |
21:04.57 | Nebu1a | or just generally awful ? |
21:05.10 | Nebu1a | so basically its only when you get epic patterns its worthwhile ? |
21:05.17 | winkiller | it's ok for levelling if you are ahead of yer level |
21:05.38 | Nebu1a | right gotcha, well i have it to level 125 at the moment, |
21:05.41 | Nebu1a | and im level 23, |
21:05.54 | Nebu1a | but im wondering whether its worth carrying on, |
21:05.56 | winkiller | but normally you are behind, especially from 200 on |
21:05.58 | Remiehdniw | What class do you play? |
21:06.01 | Nebu1a | Rogue, |
21:06.08 | winkiller | well, it's not that bad imho |
21:06.34 | Nebu1a | im just worrying its useless for making overall, |
21:06.38 | Remiehdniw | Are you planning to make a PvE or a PvP character? |
21:06.42 | winkiller | depends totally on your server |
21:06.44 | Nebu1a | PvP char, |
21:06.54 | Nebu1a | i guess so, shortage of leatherworkers helps at a guess ? |
21:07.11 | Remiehdniw | No |
21:07.29 | winkiller | I see no real moneymaker |
21:07.36 | winkiller | unless you looove to grind at 70 |
21:07.42 | winkiller | and get nethers en masse |
21:07.45 | Nebu1a | right gotcha, so is it worthwhile changing ? |
21:07.54 | Remiehdniw | Yes, I think it is |
21:08.03 | winkiller | I'd get mining to make money |
21:08.11 | Remiehdniw | You should change to engineering and mining/skinning. |
21:08.21 | winkiller | no, just mining/skinning |
21:08.33 | Remiehdniw | He's planning to make a PvP character |
21:08.34 | winkiller | levelling back to 124 when you are 70 takes a few hours/gold then |
21:08.42 | winkiller | and? |
21:08.53 | Remiehdniw | Engineering is useful in PvP. |
21:08.58 | winkiller | yes, at 70 |
21:09.00 | winkiller | or for twinks |
21:09.11 | winkiller | not for here and there a bg while levelling |
21:09.16 | Remiehdniw | I am neither, and I found it quite useful |
21:09.39 | Remiehdniw | Though I had ample supplies ;) |
21:09.40 | winkiller | I'd never ever level a first char per realm without 2 gathering |
21:09.45 | Nebu1a | how is skinning alone worthwhile ? just selling leather blocks ? |
21:09.46 | winkiller | *profs |
21:09.54 | Nebu1a | wouldnt i be better off with mining plus blacksmithing ? |
21:10.10 | winkiller | not at all |
21:10.14 | Remiehdniw | Not for money making |
21:10.26 | winkiller | s1 weaps >>>>>>>>>> BS |
21:10.30 | winkiller | esp when low on money |
21:10.32 | Nebu1a | so for making money you want to gather natual resources, thats it ? |
21:10.33 | Remiehdniw | ~seen Kirkburn |
21:10.35 | infobot | kirkburn <i=Kirkburn@c-67-167-101-23.hsd1.il.comcast.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #wowwiki, 2d 41m 32s ago, saying: ':)'. |
21:10.40 | winkiller | yes Nebu1a |
21:10.55 | Nebu1a | literally grab and sell in AH ? |
21:11.04 | Nebu1a | in blocks of x20 ? |
21:11.16 | Remiehdniw | Right |
21:11.18 | Nebu1a | then surely i can just buy / earn drops for everything else ? |
21:11.27 | winkiller | yes |
21:11.39 | winkiller | my last rogue I did LW/MIning |
21:11.50 | winkiller | I bought mount at 40 and have 125g left |
21:12.01 | winkiller | and I always bought greens when needed |
21:12.06 | Nebu1a | LW without skinning ? |
21:12.11 | Nebu1a | just bought mats from AH ? |
21:12.15 | winkiller | err, I meant skinning |
21:12.19 | winkiller | mining/skinning |
21:12.22 | winkiller | sorry |
21:12.25 | Nebu1a | np, |
21:12.30 | Nebu1a | i have to admit im tempted, |
21:12.38 | Nebu1a | what are the pro's of leatherworking ? |
21:12.40 | Remiehdniw | For Glory, Gold and God and Wowwiki! What do you think about this slogan? |
21:12.56 | winkiller | it sucks |
21:12.57 | winkiller | :P |
21:13.06 | Nebu1a | shouldnt have two "ands" gramatically, |
21:13.13 | winkiller | Nebu1a: it's handy. and I got a nice BoP LW pattern at 375 |
21:13.59 | Nebu1a | so basically leatherworking is good if the drops work out for you, |
21:13.59 | Nebu1a | if you dont get pattern drops its a waste of time ? |
21:13.59 | Remiehdniw | Nebula: I know, but it looks better than just GGG and Wowwiki |
21:13.59 | winkiller | not totally worth iz. but i already ghad 300 LW at 60 pre-tbc |
21:14.20 | Nebu1a | ahh i cant decide what to do, |
21:14.32 | Nebu1a | i bought some leather being lazy so i need to re-coup about 1.7G in general |
21:14.47 | Remiehdniw | For Glory, Gold and God and the Wowwiki! It rhymes ^^ |
21:14.50 | Nebu1a | just made that back though got a "dark leather tunic" drop which i sold a couple for about 80G |
21:15.21 | Nebu1a | is Skin/Mining the biggest money maker then overall ? |
21:15.22 | winkiller | Nebu1a: 1 stack of 20 copper bar is normally 2g |
21:16.10 | Nebu1a | ahh im stuck in two minds now, |
21:16.30 | Nebu1a | i can see how it'd work out well, just hoarding mats, |
21:16.45 | Nebu1a | does it become annoying because you have to constantly be grinding to use your professions ? |
21:16.56 | Nebu1a | at least my skinning provides my lwork upgrades ? |
21:16.57 | Remiehdniw | Question! What is a "Winnie"? |
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21:21.17 | Nebu1a | Anyone else an opinion on profs for making ? |
21:21.29 | winkiller | herb/alch is also easy |
21:22.47 | Remiehdniw | Alchemy isn't that great any more |
21:23.29 | Nebu1a | yeah just trying to read around, |
21:23.43 | Nebu1a | i think Skin / Mining could be the combo |
21:24.01 | winkiller | alch is piss easy to get to 75 |
21:24.09 | winkiller | and with a bit of farming it's decent monexy |
21:24.14 | winkiller | for not much work |
21:24.22 | winkiller | *to 375 |
21:24.36 | Nebu1a | wouldnt i need herbalism with alch though ? |
21:24.41 | Nebu1a | to get the herbs in the first place ? |
21:26.01 | Nebu1a | win ? |
21:27.52 | twsX | No, "win" would be if anyone of you can tell me the name of those scriptable unit frames. |
21:28.17 | winkiller | "those" |
21:28.21 | winkiller | define scriptable |
21:28.32 | winkiller | pitbull may be named scriptable |
21:29.00 | twsX | I never really checked them out, b ut you kinda have to write a script with positioning and color definitions, etc. to actually use them. |
21:29.42 | twsX | Some guy recommended it to me and it looked kinda interesting, but i forgot the name. :/ |
21:30.00 | twsX | Pretty much lets you define what your unit frames look like all the way to the last detail |
21:30.30 | twsX | Sort of like DAB used to do, but with a scripted config, not with a GUI. |
21:33.34 | Remiehdniw | ... |
21:36.44 | twsX | oooooh, noo, the dots :) |
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22:14.06 | Relentless | Anyone around to help me with something? |
22:15.10 | pcj | ~data |
22:15.10 | infobot | Don't Ask To Ask. Just ASK |
22:15.16 | Relentless | I can't seem to receive a confirmation email. |
22:15.35 | Relentless | It is not being blocked by any spam prevention. |
22:15.38 | pcj | try a different e-mail address? |
22:16.24 | Relentless | I've tried 2 different ones. Maybe 3rds a charm? |
22:16.41 | pcj | what e-mail domain is it |
22:17.21 | Relentless | My own. |
22:17.24 | Relentless | bellante.org |
22:17.31 | Zeal | someone elses was having trouble earlier too |
22:17.45 | Zeal | sounds like wikia's mail server broken again. |
22:18.08 | Relentless | Well. It just worked using my work email. |
22:18.56 | Relentless | Makes me wonder if I am not receiving other email at me personal address. meh. |
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23:01.49 | pcj | why isn't http://www.wowwiki.com/ZZold_Arcane_Dust in wowhead |
23:07.20 | Zeal | prunes crappy items? |
23:23.02 | pcj | wow, that doesn't sound like a name for a woman http://www.wowwiki.com/Dwane_Wertle |
23:25.05 | Polarina | pcj: Because The Armoury is better: http://www.wowarmory.com/item-info.xml?i=17019 |
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23:25.33 | pcj | *Armory |
23:26.15 | Polarina | pcj: I'm not American! |
23:26.23 | pcj | Hah, but that's the name of the site |
23:26.34 | Zeal | she's an post-op transexual ;) |
23:26.51 | Polarina | Zeal: British, not an post-op transexual! |
23:27.06 | Zeal | huh? |
23:27.47 | Zeal | i was refering to Dwane Wertle :p |
23:28.13 | pcj | lol |
23:28.14 | Polarina | Zeal: My mistake. :) |
23:28.16 | Relentless | heh |
23:28.18 | pcj | so you're pre-op then polarina? |
23:28.59 | Polarina | pcj: Ð |
23:29.03 | Polarina | s/Ð/?/ |
23:30.05 | pcj | the question is clear, your avoidance of answering indicates some truth to it |
23:31.15 | Polarina | Whatever that means. |
23:31.37 | pcj | lol |
23:31.40 | Zeal | means pcj wants you to have his babies |
23:31.46 | pcj | no |
23:32.08 | Relentless | I think there is a language barrier. UK English and US English. |
23:32.37 | Polarina | "What is an intersection?" |
23:33.07 | Relentless | Motorway? |
23:33.15 | Relentless | It's a freeway! |
23:33.18 | Relentless | :) |
23:33.28 | Polarina | Relentless: We call it a crossroad. |
23:34.30 | Relentless | I had a gps device that I set to UK english voice, as I like the accent. But it always clled the freeway a motorway and many other things like that. |
23:34.49 | Relentless | I got lost often. |
23:34.51 | Polarina | Good night. :) |
23:34.57 | Relentless | night |
23:35.04 | Zeal | lol |
23:35.05 | Zeal | nn |
23:38.28 | Zeal | bbl |
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